What's going on, guys? This is the line killer podcast with another quick one.
I wanted to come in.
I got I got a text from Sean Hicks from loan live boxing who sent me a screenshot of something.
Dan Rayfield said on Twitter, he was saying, and as follows, and I'm gonna pull it up here in a bit.
I I can't I rushed on so fast, I forgot to send this.
Um, let me let me email it to myself.
In fact, too, so we could show it on screen.
What? But apparently, according to Dan Ray, Phil, hey says as quote he says, I was told today by sources well over one million in the U.
Probably in the 1.
2 million neighborhood, which would include traditional linear pay per view, the fight TV digital app in direct TV dish network.
Ah, shockingly high number that will make the biggest selling boxing pay per view in quite a while.
And that's in regards to Tyson versus Jones.
Now I got a feeling it might even be more than that.
Like I said, I had people calling me out of the blue tape tape.
Brown the building.
What's going on, homie? What's going on? Kobe to K fan says line killer salute.
Tay Tay says Peace and blessings.
The Lion Killer.
Let me see if I could email this to myself real quick.
Hold on one second.
But like I was telling you, if it exceeded and broke Mayweather McGregor, then that would just be ridiculous.
It would be a bad accounting to me.
What I said it would reflect badly on boxing.
But if this has done at least 1.
2 million on if it's done and if it's exceeded that, then it's still bad for for boxing as faras current day boxers because they can't pull those kind of numbers.
We haven't seen a one million by paper view since Floyd Mayweather versus Connor McGregor.
Just one event that was the last time, and that did 4.
But you haven't had a pay per view over one million cents.
So if and this is the case, this exceeds it and I think it, I think it's beyond 1.2 million.
I personally do.
Uh, man, I cannot do two things at once.
Let me let me send this to myself real quick. Hold on a second.
Um, this is this is thes air things that that that we talk about.
We're not out here hating on on the current crop of fighters.
We just know what we see And when you're being when you're being direct, when you're being honest, when you're being factual and observational, it's a lot.
It's hard for people to understand where you coming from because so many people are geared in certain directions.
And so hold on, pull this **** up real quick.
What's up, ugc Flame The best Never.
What's going on, man? But this is why I've always striven to to to be fair in my assessment, off things the way that I look at it, because when you're right, you're right.
When you're wrong, you're wrong.
And you know I'm usually wrong.
But when I'm right, I know.
And it was easy to see that this was gonna This was going to exceed one million just based off the fact that people are calling me about it.
And that's how it used to be when there was a major paper view when there was something significant that was going to happen.
Okay, I'm gonna try to pull up this quote and let me let me see here, man, I'm trying to rush because I don't get a lot of time.
But I wanted to get this out there before before I left for the day.
Let's see here, pull that down real quick.
Okay? But guys, to me, this is exciting.
But it's also is also a Now it's an assessment and judgment on today's crop of fighters.
Danny Garcia is not going to do 1.
It's not gonna I don't even think it's going to do a quarter of this.
They are doing it.
If they make 300 K, they're doing it.
If they if they're making 300 K bro.
And thats real talk, that is an honest to good goodness assessment of the situation.
This fight didn't even need that much build up because the people that were involved already built their names by having great fights, having great careers.
And so it's just a different animal, and you try to get people to understand that.
So let me go back in here.
Let me see if I get this Joker pulled up real quick.
Sorry, guys. Taking me a minute.
Let's see here myself.
Okay. Screenshot there.
Okay, let's see if I could pull this joker right about now.
All right, I'm gonna show you also one moment and again I apologize.
Guys, this is kind of on the fly, so I'm just kind of Ah, little disheveled.
Um, okay, I can pull it up here.
So what? I dio So what I'll do, right? Yeah.
Is coming up here in the second.
Guys, I'm gonna show you that I'm gonna show you the quote.
Dan Raphael says I was told by today I was told today by sources well over one million in the U. S.
Probably in the 1.
2 million neighborhood, which would include traditional linear pay per view, which is the one you buy on TV.
The Fight TV digital app, which I've never used in direct TV dish Network.
So ordered it, ordering it through them.
Ah, shockingly high number that will make the biggest selling boxing pay per view in quite a while now.
I think I think this number might be higher.
It's just my gut feeling.
I think this number might be in a 1.5 range.
Like I said Saturday, I think it would.
It would at least do that.
Uh, this is not far off.
When you consider it.
It's really not far off.
Um, Kobe, UK fancies.
Take your time. I was gonna catch the replay.
Ah, yeah, Retro, says 1.
2 is great for an exhibition if we go by today's fan standards, which is which is to set us to sit.
Canela is the to say, Canelo is the face of boxing based on pay per view, and Mike is again to face a box.
You're **** right you're **** Skippy.
Mike is once again the face of boxing just right off of that, because Canelo hasn't done one million pay per view buys in a long ****ing time.
And when he did do it, it was with Floyd Mayweather, and that's what people don't understand.
I know there was another fighter, too, but that's been a that's been years and like like I said, 2017 was the last time a single pay per view event exceeded one million pay per view buys.
That was, that was Mayweather McGregor.
That's the record.
That's the record.
But Tyson Fury, DeOnte Water one and two did 1.
4 million combined.
Mike Tyson, Roy Jones, Mike Tyson, Roy Jones at 1.
Stand alone, you know.
So this is this was my assessment weeks ago.
You know, aerospace, Danny Garcia don't stand a chance, so it doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense to pay these fighters the money that they're paying because, you know, thes promoters, you know, these businesses are losing.
They're losing AP trailer and app came right out the gate and kick the **** out of everybody because Mike Tyson and Roy Jones gave people what they what we didn't even weren't looking for.
But people would want to see people who aren't looking for this fight.
I wasn't looking for this fight.
I wasn't even excited about this fight.
That's real talk.
But once I saw the presentation, once I saw the The Intensity Man, I'm like, ****, this is what a pay per view is supposed to be, is what it should be.
Even though that was an exhibition, Kobe UK fans says even if it's in the 1.
5 range, Canelo Smith and Danny Arrow are in trouble.
Trouble, trouble, trouble trouble, Bernie Mac Voice.
Retro, says Tate.
A brown salute Sister Retro, says UGC.
People always say Canellos the face because he did one million with Triple G.
But if we use that criteria and Mike is again the face of boxing, I actually heard didn't do one million with Triple G.
They inflated that number.
That's what I heard from my three sources.
So that number was inflated again.
And they didn't because the last one waas the last one was Mayweather McGregor.
That did over one million.
So I know that I know that that number is not really that is the one that is literally certified.
If you Google it.
That's the last one that hit that hit for that hit one million.
What was guarantee was Mayweather McGregor.
But listen, this is a testament to the power of accomplishment.
This is a testament toe legacy and legend them you got you have to understand that Roy Jones and Mike Taison built a legacy, and the residue the residual effects of their legacy overshadows overshadows any boxer today, including Canelo Alvarez.
Blood is right on that.
Just the residue.
The ghost of their career.
The two of the old guys combined exceeds anybody in boxing, and you can.
You can say whatever you want.
You could be a Fanboy or whatever you like to be, Whatever.
Whatever team you lean, we're just keeping it riel, telling you the truth.
That's what it iss.
That's truly what it is.
The numbers don't lie now the the numbers will come out officially.
Probably another day or two.
I honestly think it's gonna be a bigger number than this, the food says.
So if Errol doesn't hit those numbers this weekend, is it? Is it considered a flop, bro? No, honestly, if it Spence, it's Spence and Garcia can do.
In my opinion, 400 k.
That's a successful pay per view fight in this era.
Unfortunately, that's successful because that's really what it's been.
That's really what's really been the needle, I think.
Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder one did about 800 K the first time around, and the second fight did a little less I think it not being 1.4 million combined.
The last time I looked at, uh, let's see here you D.
C says you can't debate that blood.
Um, Eric R says.
That's why I said Bob is done for running away from paper view from the paper paper view model.
If anything, this pandemic inflates more buys due to social distancing.
That's not necessarily the case, Eric, because these guys, these guys currently a charging paper views and people aren't buying those mugs, they're just not they're not really buying them.
And the thing is, the thing is, when you got to old guys, two guys in their fifties that came out of the woodwork that have come literally come out of the woodwork and drop the **** on everybody.
Not only that, a nap that most people didn't know about before this fight trailer was like a is like a tick.
A tick tock clone Go download trailer trailers off the chain.
Don't don't get me wrong, but trailer was a second rate tick tock when you consider it trailer came into the game day.
One better presentation, greater entertainment.
They gave you an actual pay per view event.
They gave you a concert.
They gave you boxing matches.
They gave you compelling, compelling drama.
They give you excellent commentary.
That's just really talk.
Israel Sonia Morrow from From From Showtime, Sugar Ray Leonard, Snoop Dog popped up in the middle of the broadcast on the panel and stayed the rest of the fight.
It was hilarious.
That's what's missing from the game is something compelling and you know that's Riel, Erica says.
There's no pressure on Arrow.
People want more After Mikey and Roy, Man, listen.
There is pressure on Arrow Eric.
There is pressure on Darryl because Darryl is has considered himself a pay per view star, but he's not.
He's getting paper views, pay per view.
S****om requires big numbers, requires big draws.
And I'm considering the pandemic.
What makes this Spence Garcia fight compelling is spends his accident, but Thio have a fight a week after this event.
It's not a good set up.
It's not a good settle for those guys.
It's not like Trailer was promoting the arrow spins Danny Garcia fight Thio lead people on over to the pay per view for that event.
No people, I'm telling y'all, man, I had 20 something 2025 calls Saturday.
People were calling me.
They weren't talking about Danny Garcia and Aerospace.
They're asking, Hey, how do you watch Mike Tyson? Uh, Roy Jones fight? That's how it used to be when paper views with a **** as blood.
That's as were the same generation.
I'm just telling you, that's what it waas blood says.
Yep, 400 cases standard in this new era.
Kobe took a fancy blood has a valid point.
And that is, and this is possible because these guys actually did legendary things in their prime.
They gave the customer what they wanted.
The food says I was thoroughly entertained by the exhibition.
Although I talking mad crap about it leading into it, I'd pay to watch it again.
I was kinda in the same in the same park with that.
I felt that it wasn't gonna be good, But once I watch it, I regretted not buying it.
I would out the next time it happens, I'm gonna pay hell.
I might buy an extra one just to make up for what I didn't pay for real talk.
Sean Toran says.
Eric R. Says true leadership should be on his own.
I don't know if they have the money to do it, But the zone, Like I said, the zone is own on life support.
The zone is literally on life support, and you can't trailer trailer emailed me because I have got I forgot what I did, but they started sending emails.
I got email blast multiple times a day.
You know, the zone.
When they do an event, they send you one email a day.
You're not going to ****ing win.
You're not going to win, Okay? It's about persistence and consistency when it comes to marketing something.
And if you can't do that effectively, you can't expect to succeed.
Trailer was doing that leading up.
They were doing that leading up, and you got to respect what they did.
You gotta You gotta respect what they presented. Yeah.
I want to see what they do with a full on boxing event, not an exhibition fight.
I want to see what they can do with a main event.
I want to see who if they can possibly work with somebody because they're model works.
Yeah, they might have spent a whole bunch of money, but it looks like it looks like they made their money back or they made a good portion of it back with just those preliminary numbers.
This real spill the food says, What up blood? Enjoy your channels will like the format.
One moment, guys.
Okay, the food says, Uh, if this gets less than 300 K doesn't give but more argument for demanding 50 50.
Not in my opinion, because Bud doesn't do that does, but hasn't even come close to the 300 number.
But there's there's There's nothing I've heard as far as pay per view buys for, but that have been significant.
So you know one thing you could say Errol Spence what has to has to pay per views under his belt.
I mean, Terence Crawford has some, but they're not comparable.
So it plus on top of that, uh, Spence has two belts toe one.
So if you if you're talking business on that, if you're looking at the outside in, Carol has more to lose.
Unless the game so you don't get that Sean.
He's gaining one belt versus versus versus but gaining two belts.
Sean says, Yeah, you have to do one million pay per view buys to be a pay per view star.
In my opinion, yes, you do, because that makes if one million people are buying your ****.
That means you are marketable.
You're Mark consistently marketable.
Okay, you've built something.
I think this first paper here was 200 k, but it went up.
It went up as he defeated certain fighters.
And that's what you have to do.
You have to build up.
So in today's paper view market, where these guys are demanding pay per view and they haven't earned pay per view yes, one million needs to be your It needs to be your level.
You're asking for 10 and 15 and $20 million.
But you haven't fought anybody worth that.
Anybody to pique the interest, you have to build that shine and that z how it was done.
But it also proves that what Mike Tyson and Roy Jones did, they made it easy.
Yeah, you can, you can attribute The fact is that they were let their legends in the sport you can attribute you can attribute so much, but one guy was 15 years removed from his last fight.
The other guy three years.
They're in their mid fifth.
Well, Mike's in his mid fifties.
Roy's at the start of his fifties, you know, is many things people like to point out.
You also got a point out the obvious to middle aged men.
Shouldn't be pulling more weight in boxing, then prime fighters.
But that's exactly what happened.
That's exactly what happened.
Kobe UK fans says everything about the card was trending from Snoop tonight, taking a nap down to the main event.
Even Roy's limp was more talked about than any boxing event this past month. You're right, bro.
You're right, Eric are says, but doesn't even have fights lined up.
They just winging it for for blood and top ranked retro says the food salute Kobe to K fan.
Yes, sir, they did at some point give us what what we want on multiple occasions, the food says.
One thing the show did was was demonstrate what good, What a good man.
What good matchmaking could do for the success of the show on leeway to bring boxing back is the best fighting the best, and that's what we're all about.
True boxing heads, boxing fans.
We don't do Fanboy **** on this channel.
And that's why that's why you know, if it's positive or negative is gonna be the truth out again.
When this reports had a tracking tracking past Mayweather McGregor eso I'm gonna wait to those numbers officially come out because sometimes Dan Rayfield get he gets, uh, he gets duty food.
Oh, certain people passing bad information occasionally.
So I'm gonna hold off on stamping this, but I believe it's a least that much at least 1.
So that's why I went ahead and talked about, um, Coach.
UK fancies At least one million people in this country know who Mike Tyson, Tom Brady and LeBron James is, and they and they probably are casuals toe all respective sports.
Those guys are superstars in this country.
Indeed, you make a valid point.
You make a very valid point, and that's that's what it is, man.
And that's really what it iss.
Let's see, your, uh, Sean says you shouldn't be on pay per view if you're not doing 45 million views and more more on free TV.
You know what? You shouldn't be doing paper views unless you earned it.
That's what that's really how I feel.
Unless you thought you've cleared the division.
Unless you you're getting you're getting mo mentum, you shouldn't do pay per views.
Kobe to k fancies random People don't know who arrow but or even Canelo are in this country.
That's a That's a fact.
Canelo has been around a long time.
Napoleon says Peace.
What's up? What's up, Napoleon? Guys, I'm gonna go ahead and get out of here. I gotta make runs.
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