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00:18:47
Well, I guess we can't hear each other.
00:18:51
I don't think you can hear it.
00:18:53
Looks like we have.
00:18:56
We have some terribly awful audio situations going on right now, so we're going to try to reset this.
00:19:05
Oh, I'm back. Okay.
00:19:06
All right, I'm back.
00:19:07
Ah, I'm trying to see if we can, uh, fix this all on the fly here.
00:19:13
So, like I said just better with me.
00:19:16
We'll get this figured out a soon as Mike is back.
00:19:21
Can Mike, can you hear me? Is that that's the thing I can hear you.
00:19:26
Can you hear? May There.
00:19:27
My friend just sent you a chat.
00:19:30
Can you hear me? Mike? Mike? Mike! No, Mike.
00:19:36
All right.
00:19:37
We'll work on that.
00:19:38
Um, hopefully we'll have John sapa Chetty here in just a few moments.
00:19:44
Like I said, I want Thio.
00:19:45
Hopefully get him on assuming all these issues don't continue to go on, but let us know what you think.
00:19:51
FBC radio live.
00:19:52
Uh, discussion we're gonna have is mostly going to surround talent versus greatest because I think it's I think it's a silly parsing of a It's just to me.
00:20:09
It's just it's it's a silly parsing of Ah, they argument.
00:20:13
And to me, it's its's.
00:20:15
We'll get into it in more detail.
00:20:16
Hopefully with John coming up here in a second.
00:20:19
So, um, I know.
00:20:20
Uh oh.
00:20:23
You can hear Mike now, too.
00:20:24
I can't hear Mike.
00:20:25
Mike, Say something for everybody.
00:20:31
Hello? Oh, my God.
00:20:33
Okay, I can I can hear you weigh are back.
00:20:36
We are back, folks.
00:20:38
And I got a dog back.
00:20:39
I think we figured it out. Okay.
00:20:42
Joel says we could hear both of us.
00:20:43
Thank God.
00:20:44
Because I was running out of things to say while I was trying to multitask.
00:20:47
I was using, you know, Mike and I joke all the time We eat share half a brain.
00:20:51
Well, I was using My half are my half of the half.
00:20:56
I was using half of that to try to figure out these audio issues.
00:20:59
So I was using eighth of a brain.
00:21:01
It Is that the math? I don't know.
00:21:03
You're just gonna have to take my word for it is getting.
00:21:05
It was my understanding that there would be no math, and, uh, I think yeah, I think we're I think we're great, Joel.
00:21:12
Thank you.
00:21:13
for saving FBC Radio Live this morning.
00:21:14
But he always always comes through right in the clutch, right when you need him.
00:21:18
He is the Julian Edelman of this show.
00:21:20
And, uh, you know, I mean, we're gonna have to talk a little bit about John with that as well.
00:21:25
Uh, Julian landing on the Kobe 19 list.
00:21:27
I'm actually working on a piece for fbc, um, patriots as we speak on Julian.
00:21:33
And, uh, it, uh, yeah, it's it's just tough.
00:21:37
It z it's tough to think about.
00:21:39
I was I was gonna say the good thing during our little, uh, technical juggling of trying to figure out what the hell is going on with all the audio.
00:21:47
Um, I remembered what my original point was before I went on that long rant, and it had nothing to do with what I ultimately landed on, which was obviously talking about the quarterbacks, but real quick because you mentioned that Steelers in Baltimore game.
00:22:01
Um, you know, I I was I was saying I'm going to drop the pretense of the NFL actually caring about health, and I'm going to sit here and say, you know what? I if I would steal this, I would be ****ed.
00:22:13
I would be irritated at this point.
00:22:15
I mean, because, you know, look, obviously, in my point of view, the health should always be the priority.
00:22:20
So, you know, if stuff like this happens, I think these games should have been, you know, all these games, you know, prior to this, you know, earlier in the season should have been rearranged, rescheduled all that stuff.
00:22:30
I am dropped.
00:22:33
NFL actually does care about the player south, and I'm basing it solely off of what we've seen.
00:22:39
And, uh, what I'm seeing right now is is a bit of favoritism towards the Ravens.
00:22:44
Let's call it what it is because they've now gotten this. Now.
00:22:49
They got hit hard, no doubt about it.
00:22:52
But they've now seen their game get pushed back multiple times, and it begins to open up the door.
00:22:57
And the possibility of Well, you know, maybe they'll not miss their game with their quarterback.
00:23:03
Maybe he'll end up getting healthy enough to get back on the field.
00:23:06
And all of a sudden you're like, you know, Wait a minute.
00:23:09
Wait a minute.
00:23:10
We just saw a practice squad running back throw passes for the first time in three years for the Denver Broncos because the NFL said, Yeah, we don't care.
00:23:21
You have a coach that can throw and knows the offensive system.
00:23:26
The Broncos tried the lobby for this.
00:23:28
You have a coach that knows the offensive system, and you're not going to allow them to use them when they have literally no quarterbacks on the roster.
00:23:37
So they didn't care then.
00:23:39
But this is now the what third time this game has been moved and and it's almost been moved back an entire week now that it's gonna be played on Wednesday.
00:23:50
And let's be honest.
00:23:52
Like I said, they seem to be the only team that's been getting this type of, you know, effort from the league.
00:23:58
Thio.
00:23:59
Make sure that these players get healthy in time.
00:24:01
Um, I crazy.
00:24:02
Um, I just, you know, putting on my tinfoil hat here.
00:24:05
No, I don't think you're putting on your kitchen foil hat.
00:24:07
I think that in a lot of ways, um, this does reek of a little bit of favoritism.
00:24:13
And look, I know I want Ryan Clark pretty hard Steelers and whatnot, but they have a right to be upset here.
00:24:19
They really do.
00:24:20
I think that when you look at the way the NFL has handled some of these cases outside of this and the Ravens have been hit hard again.
00:24:27
You said that.
00:24:28
And I'm nobody's argument that pointing folks.
00:24:30
But Denver was forced to play the other day without an actual quarterback, although, you know, some teams, I guess, have been playing without quarterbacks for years.
00:24:39
But, um, that point is that they didn't have an actual NFL quarterback on staff that could take snaps.
00:24:45
They had to get a practice squad wide receiver to take snaps.
00:24:48
And by all intensive purposes, kid did the best he could.
00:24:51
But you know, those air difficult, difficult cir***stances.
00:24:54
They made the Patriots fly out on the same day to play a game when they were hit hard.
00:25:00
Bye bye, Covad, Uh, you know, 19, you know, issues.
00:25:04
And which still amazes me that people think that there are still some idiots out there that think that the NFL was easy on the Patriots when it came to that.
00:25:12
No, I don't think so.
00:25:13
It really weren't, um, but yeah, For these accommodations, it almost feels like a bend over backwards type, um, feel from the NFL to try to accommodate what the Ravens were going through.
00:25:25
I know they're trying to prevent the spread.
00:25:26
I know they're trying to prevent a lot of what's going on, but when you look at what they've done to teams like the like, the Raiders that were hit very hard Um, the 40 Niners now yeah, I mean, exactly So I mean, you look at all of this that's going on now with the with with Cove it and you wonder why certain teams are getting preferential treatment, whether you think it's just the Ravens or not.
00:25:49
It's a bad look for the NFL, and really, I mean, they were in every position to be able to avoid this by just scheduling in buffer weeks, trying to understand that they were going to be problems like this. Games.
00:26:01
We're gonna have to be outright canceled, delayed.
00:26:04
But there's just no continuity in terms of what they're doing, and I think that's really where the frustration is coming from, and especially with Steelers, because they've really been on the short end of the stick.
00:26:12
On a lot of this look And that's the thing, too.
00:26:15
It's like if this was consistent across the board, then you know, I'd have no problem with it and I'd say, Well, boo hoo, Steelers.
00:26:23
It's unfortunate that you happen to be part of this, but, um, it hasn't been consistent.
00:26:29
And, uh, again it does, you know, especially when you look at the Ravens and, you know, people talk about Well, they're they're repeat offenders there.
00:26:38
Repeat this.
00:26:39
Well, the Ravens have had their hands dirty for for pretty long time.
00:26:42
There always something.
00:26:44
And again, I'm doing the Patriots treatment on them.
00:26:46
But you know, there's these little violations that that they kind of get hit with it.
00:26:50
And look, John Harbaugh is known as a bit of a complainer.
00:26:54
We we've seen that on TV miked up just a week and a half ago.
00:26:59
We've seen it over the past several years, so, you know.
00:27:02
Yeah, maybe there is a little bit of bias there, but at the same time, it's like it's hard not to sit there and say, Look, I think the Ravens are certainly being treated more favorably than, uh, certainly the Broncos.
00:27:13
Certainly the Patriots who got find especially when you consider that apparently one of the Ravens coach is what was was fine for basically, you know, going against the rules, not wearing a mask, all that stuff and kind of be embracing about it.
00:27:29
So, hey, uh, we'll say we'll see.
00:27:34
Finds could ultimately come down on the Ravens, But trust me, if if they don't, then you're gonna you're gonna hear be a little bit louder, Um, about all those conspiracy stuff, and I may actually wear a tinfoil at on camera.
00:27:49
But, um, speaking of tinfoil hat up, that's that I don't mean that.
00:27:55
Um, we love John here, and I know he's a little bit crazy about his quarterbacks, and we're gonna talk to him about that here in a little bit.
00:28:02
Eso Mike, do you have any last words before you don't speak again for the next 30 minutes? Uh, no, You know what? I'll leave that in suspense, so I'll use my words tomorrow to kick off the show, and, uh, I'll leave everyone wanting a little more.
00:28:18
No, all kidding aside, that's great.
00:28:20
You know, e can't wait to get step in.
00:28:23
Not all kidding aside, this is great.
00:28:24
I always love it when he comes in, We well and look, we're obviously and it's not like we plan this every single day.
00:28:33
Um, you know, it just so happens that the certain players are always in the news and hey, coming off Kansas City versus Tampa Bay.
00:28:43
Which look, you know, and I'm gonna ask you about that game right now before we get actually before John actually gets in here because, you know, I said it during the game and I thought, Look, it's very obvious when they're playing a Patriot style offense and it seems to work very well.
00:29:00
Now I don't know exactly what's true and what's not.
00:29:05
What comes out of Bruce Arians mouth.
00:29:06
But hey, seemed toe allude to the fact that Tom's calling all the plays.
00:29:11
And again, I I I'll be honest, like his act is kind of warrant.
00:29:15
Then a little bit.
00:29:16
I'm not like Pleat like, Oh, he's an awful, terrible coach.
00:29:19
But at the same time, I'm starting to be like All right, let's let's you know, let's cut this bravado, act here and and and learn that Hey, look, maybe it's you that's being confused right now.
00:29:30
Is to how to call some of these games.
00:29:32
But, um, you know, this is a team that on both sides of the ball looks great and looks bad within the same game.
00:29:41
Um, offensively, again, people keep focusing on the interceptions and and look, they they're certainly one of them.
00:29:48
Was was not good.
00:29:49
Uh, say what you will about the second one, the one that deflected off the helmet.
00:29:56
I happen to think, you know, as I believe, Romo explained that, you know, look, Tom was looking for one thing.
00:30:03
Mike Evans was looking at another, and unfortunately, this just led to an interception.
00:30:09
And it wasn't a great throw.
00:30:11
And I also don't think it was a great decision of Mike Evans part.
00:30:14
I think he has to be a little bit more aware of where he needs to be.
00:30:18
But you know, at the same time, Tom limited what options he had by committing to that and then again ultimately throwing the ball when when the play was not there to be made.
00:30:29
So, uh, of course you know, obviously, Tom's not immune to criticism that that's certainly not the case.
00:30:39
What he is not deserving of is again.
00:30:44
I mean, to me, It's funny.
00:30:46
It's funny to think that, Ah, guy that that's 43 years old, who is going to come close to throwing his age and touchdown passes? Um, that 40 some odd 1000 or 44 4000 some odd yards and 11 12 13 interceptions is washed like How does that make sense? Even even if you hate to our Brady used the word washed.
00:31:09
How does that not make sense? At the worst? At the worst, maybe you could make a case that he is a top 10 quarterback at the worst.
00:31:19
So how is it that he's washed? And again? People don't like to hear that.
00:31:23
Oh, well, you know, Patrick Mahomes says.
00:31:25
29 total touchdowns.
00:31:27
Tom Brady has 28.
00:31:29
It's there really isn't a huge difference.
00:31:31
Is Patrick Mahomes playing a Z M V P frontrunner shirt? Absolutely.
00:31:36
But that's not to say that there is this significant gap, and we saw it on Sunday.
00:31:42
We saw it on Sunday, and we're gonna talk, talk a bit about that with John, and I can't I can't wait because obviously we disagree on a lot of things, but it's fun, and I think we always gonna get a good, good fun out of each other.
00:31:53
So what were your thoughts on the game, Mike? And what do you see with this Bucks team now hitting their bye week? Where do you see this team needing to go to play more consistently and play to the level that I think we all know that they can? Yeah, I think it's just it's consistency.
00:32:10
Like you said, there are flashes of where this team can play like it's one of the top teams in the NFC, maybe even the top team in the NFC.
00:32:17
When you look at the talent they have on both sides of the ball, but they're not playing like that, they're not giving nearly the consistency that a team like Green Bay or even New Orleans has done this year on.
00:32:28
Even they haven't been extremely consistent week after week after week.
00:32:31
I think the we've seen ah lot of inconsistencies with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
00:32:39
Defensively, they'll make plays, they'll look pretty solid and then of course, at the same time they'll also have difficulty and then they'll let up place where you look at it and you say, Well, how is this team considered having an elite defense when they look like this? A times, it's difficulty on offense.
00:32:56
Yeah, they're definitely does look to be a disconnected times in terms of play calling in terms of what the teams are capable of.
00:33:02
Um, I think a lot of this does come from offensive play calling and maybe even game planning.
00:33:08
Byron Leftwich and Bruce Arians need to take a look in the mirror and realize that it's not just on your quarterback shoulders.
00:33:15
You didn't bring in Tom Brady to be ableto lay the blame at his doorstep and say, Oh, look, no, it's not our fault.
00:33:21
Stomps fall because guess what? You were having the same problems last year.
00:33:24
It comes from game planning, and they need to do a better job utilized Tom strength.
00:33:30
I saw a tweet, and I can't remember the author of it.
00:33:33
I really can't, but it's almost like asking a brain surgeon to come to Uh um, it is a funny tweet on.
00:33:42
I forgot who it was.
00:33:43
Having Tom Brady in in um in Tampa Bay allows you to be surgical in terms of your approached offense.
00:33:51
It's almost like they brought in the world's most renowned brain surgeon to just have him.
00:33:55
Do, you know, like, you know, minor implants, you know, for as a plastic surgeon, You know, I mean, he's capable of doing it, but I mean, why would you just use his talents to do that when you're capable of doing so? I think that was a I think I think I get that.
00:34:09
And if no one has follow up questions up, we can just move on and accept that.
00:34:13
That was a funny tweet by me. Absolutely.
00:34:16
And you know what? Yeah.
00:34:18
Yeah, exactly.
00:34:19
I mean, it's just to me.
00:34:20
That's exactly what you're seeing in Tampa Bay.
00:34:22
Um, yeah.
00:34:24
When Tom is in sync with his receivers, you see great things.
00:34:28
You see it all the time.
00:34:29
But when there's questions about routes and things of that nature Yeah, I mean, can he sit back? You know, Chuck the ball downfield.
00:34:36
He could do What? Did we lose your mike? Sounds like we lost you like I I hope.
00:34:58
Oh, boy.
00:34:59
Well, three audio issues continue here.
00:35:02
Like I said, I he's adjusting his game.
00:35:05
You sorry? You just, like, cut out for like, 30 seconds.
00:35:11
So yeah, apparent.
00:35:13
Apparently, your voice was it was just to thunderous and it knocked out the power lines.
00:35:20
Apparently, I don't know. Anyways, your back your back.
00:35:22
Well, in any case, I am back, folks.
00:35:24
Yes, I am book and yeah, basically, what I was trying to say was Tom's connection with his new receivers.
00:35:30
There has to be a learning curve.
00:35:31
He's still getting used to this offense.
00:35:34
He's still getting used to this.
00:35:35
This set of teammates, the coaching staff, it's an adjustment.
00:35:38
And for people to sit there and expect in a year in which you had essentially no training camp, no o.
00:35:44
T A s, no opportunities toe work out beyond what was given to you.
00:35:48
Even in private settings.
00:35:50
Those things don't called the same weight because coaching staff is not doing its job.
00:35:54
It's it's just it's a different type of field, and in that respect to dismiss that, then just not, you know, just toss it aside because it doesn't fit.
00:36:03
Your narrative is not responsible.
00:36:05
It's something that has to be said because it is.
00:36:07
Ah, part of growing was coming together.
00:36:12
I think you've seen that Tom can carry this team when he's capable of doing it.
00:36:15
I really to be totally honest with you.
00:36:17
I'm looking forward as much to next season in Tampa Bay as I am the remaining few games here because I think you're really going to see this team hit its stride, especially if they have a full offseason of preparation, of working out together of organized team activities.
00:36:32
You're going to see this team really pop, but don't count them out this year.
00:36:35
I still believe in the Tampa Bay Bucks, and I think they're gonna be right there at the end.
00:36:38
With all the teams in the NFC in the mix for a title, Well, then, that's that's just the thing.
00:36:43
It's like, you know, they you know, the hope is that they're not internally pointing fingers because then again then then they're never going to solve this because, you know, there there's blame to go across the board and depending on where you're coming from, what your motivation is, uh, you pick and choose what you blame.
00:36:59
I mean, everyone's praising the defense and they did a great job in the second half.
00:37:02
They were abysmal in the first half.
00:37:04
I mean, people ask Well, how they fall down. 17. Nothing.
00:37:07
Well, they didn't get a rhythm early on offense, but, um, when when you don't cover players.
00:37:15
You know, again, I mean wide open, tired to kill.
00:37:18
You got to cover him.
00:37:20
You allow a guide Thio get 200 yards in the air in the first quarter.
00:37:25
Yeah, that's an issue.
00:37:26
And not so much on the quarterback.
00:37:29
So I'm excited because I was starting to worry that I know he's chomping at the bit to join us, But it says we've been having so many audio issues with connections and and everything.
00:37:41
I was hoping we weren't gonna have to put this off, because, um, we got John SAPA Chetty on.
00:37:48
And you know, I've been excited to talk about this. I know. I know.
00:37:53
John's excited to talk about all this.
00:37:55
Uh, John, how you doing today? Do you have your voice? So are you feeling good? Are you feeling confident or feeling feeling energetic? Absolutely.
00:38:04
I've had several cups of coffee, so I feel really good.
00:38:07
Yes, like a kneecap.
00:38:11
But it's still coffee like you.
00:38:14
Still there? You gang up.
00:38:15
I know we said you weren't gonna speak much, but hopefully you're still here.
00:38:20
No, that's all right.
00:38:21
I'm just getting my favorite pillow out.
00:38:22
And I'm ready to just, you know, taking that John.
00:38:25
Always, always a pleasure, buddy.
00:38:27
I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
00:38:29
Always great to have you join us here.
00:38:30
You know, I'm only getting girlfriend.
00:38:32
Absolutely.
00:38:33
Mike absolutely had a great Thanksgiving.
00:38:35
Hopefully yours.
00:38:36
You and your family is well, same with you and your family.
00:38:39
And, uh, you know, now it turns into Tuesday morning quarterback discussion between boomer Science and Phil Simms over here.
00:38:47
I don't even want to know who's who.
00:38:49
Because I don't know which one is worse.
00:38:51
To be honest or or I'm a big boomer fan.
00:38:55
I think he's the best jock turned broadcaster.
00:38:58
I think you show on W understood.
00:39:01
Like his ****ysis.
00:39:02
I think you're a good thing to me.
00:39:03
Is I'm a boomer guy.
00:39:05
No, but actually, this is more like Skip Bayless against Shannon Sharpe.
00:39:08
You could skip Bayless because Tom Brady does nothing wrong, and Aaron Rodgers sucks.
00:39:12
And I could be you know, Shannon Sharpe, who loves Aaron Rodgers.
00:39:16
Well, Like I said, it could get worse for you.
00:39:18
You could be Nick. Great on.
00:39:20
Uh, look, I know I want my home, so I get that.
00:39:26
Yeah, but I I know you're I know you enjoy him.
00:39:29
I know you.
00:39:30
You're a fan of his.
00:39:31
Um, did you happen to see his timeline Sunday night on Twitter after during the during the game during the during the Packers game? No, no, no, no, no.
00:39:46
During the bucks and, uh oh, the afternoon game short.
00:39:49
Because he's I mean, he's a huge Kansas City Chiefs fans don't know e Well, he's more about Tom Brady.
00:39:56
But you know what, though I will say this.
00:39:58
Someone had to retort or push back against Tony Romo, who clearly must have received some sort of payment toe just absolutely puff up, pump up Tom Brady.
00:40:08
Uh, you know, throw was Brady's fault.
00:40:11
It was the receivers fault that was offensive coordinator.
00:40:13
That was the head coach of the condition.
00:40:15
Isn't that was much.
00:40:16
That's a common misconception, though, because one of the big things that Nick criticized him was was obviously misleading because, you know, in the ****ysis, Tony Romo, he said, right off the bat.
00:40:28
It wasn't a great throw, but and this is talking about the one that ended up going off the helmet and all that.
00:40:34
What he was looking at was, and this is the disconnect between the receiver and the quarterback throughout the season.
00:40:40
We've seen this that, you know you're looking at Mike Evans and Mike Evans is he's a good receiver.
00:40:48
He doesn't know exactly where to be at times, or at least where Tom Brady expects him to be at times.
00:40:54
So in that sense, Tom struggles and and he panicked and he threw a bad ball again, hits off the helmet.
00:41:01
That's kind of tough luck, but have you watched the Packers game? Does it ever look like marquees valves can scan? Lee ever knows where he's going, and yet Aaron Rodgers keeps going back to him.
00:41:10
He's not even close to being the talent of Mike Evans.
00:41:13
He doesn't belittle him.
00:41:14
He's fast.
00:41:15
He's faster than Mike Mike.
00:41:17
Mike Evans also leads the league in touchdown passes, so I'm not completely, uh, sitting there saying that these two aren't on the same page.
00:41:25
I think there's a 80% of them are from one yard out.
00:41:27
But that's okay.
00:41:28
Hey, this little touch, that's fine.
00:41:30
How many? How many little dump offs? And I'll say it.
00:41:34
It's the most of the league that, uh, Patrick Mahomes has.
00:41:37
And let me add this to I I've never seen someone throw Mawr, uh, inaccurate wide open passes in my life and Patrick problems, but we'll get to that in a minute.
00:41:47
I'm sure Pff will have a for that.
00:41:51
I think they're knocking on my door trying to hire me right now.
00:41:53
Oh, yeah, you said right in with Well, really not that good.
00:41:57
If you look closely, no.
00:41:58
And you know you know my motivation with all this, I never say he's not that good.
00:42:02
It za about perspective, and I'm like I said, we'll get to that.
00:42:05
But with Nick, it's It's kind of like, Look, I understand that you like him.
00:42:10
I think it's kind of a sad act.
00:42:11
I get what he's trying to do, but it's kind of it's really over the top, like to the point where, like he's obsessing, like, literally, you scroll through his timeline.
00:42:19
Not one single mention off the Chiefs, Mahomes, anything.
00:42:24
It was literally 89 straight tweets about Tom Brady and usually.
00:42:28
And it's very predictable, too, because he only opens his mouth when he struggles.
00:42:33
And he's when they're actually doing well, which is the majority of the time.
00:42:39
And you'll see that when he has, ah, week in between tweeting and it's one tweet and it's usually one moment of the game that's early on.
00:42:47
And then after that, he shuts up.
00:42:48
But, um, look, the bottom line is, yeah, of course you know what's good? Finally.
00:42:52
Finally, the Buccaneers have a bye week, so we won't have to watch Tom Brady this week, so that will be good for all of us.
00:42:58
This is a little break through this team.
00:43:00
That team definitely needs it.
00:43:02
Let me tell you, they need the bye week. They need Thio.
00:43:04
Do some looking in the mirror.
00:43:06
Um, but here at the same time, you're sitting here talking about Romo defending Tom Brady.
00:43:11
Um, when I have Thio here, the homes magic.
00:43:16
When he throws to a wide receiver who has nary a defender in sight within 10 yards, I don't want to hear about what a magical throw by Patrick Mahomes.
00:43:27
No, he's throwing to a spot, a giant spot, often inaccurately, because, like, uh, and I said, This is first touchdown pass people and and here's the deal and and this is my problems going back to Nick right? Because this is what he criticized Tom Brady for.
00:43:43
He said he threw an inaccurate pass when the ball went directly through camera breaks.
00:43:49
A I mean directly through the middle of his hands.
00:43:52
But camera break did not close his hands to catch the ball.
00:43:55
It went right through.
00:43:56
He criticized Tom Brady for throwing an inaccurate pass on that, but at the same time, we'll sit there and laud Patrick Mahomes for throwing to a wide open Tyree kill 60 yards down the field.
00:44:08
That's behind and you know low.
00:44:11
So Tyreek Hill has to do basically a 1 80 to catch the ball and actually make a play out of it.
00:44:16
When you know people sit there and be like he's the most gifted throw of all time and that's something kind of what we're getting into a little bit.
00:44:22
Well, we saw that guy on Sunday night when the Packers destroyed the Bears.
00:44:26
I still think that Aaron Rodgers is playing at an extremely high level.
00:44:29
This reminds me of the discussion people would have with, you know, the Beatles and the Stones.
00:44:33
And I'm sorry to go until way back machine, but they're still, you know, all time great bands The Stones, the Beatles, the Beatles, the Stones and sometimes the answer was the Who, and that's what we get in the NFL.
00:44:44
Sometimes it's like my home.
00:44:45
Brady Brady Mahomes.
00:44:46
Well, the easy answer is Aaron Rodgers is playing at the highest level.
00:44:50
Does anybody realize that in the same amount of games the Green Bay Packers have scored one more point than the Kansas City Chiefs? Packers have scored 349 points that chiefs of scored 348.
00:45:01
So we give you that.
00:45:03
The Chiefs have better weapons than the package, but somehow poor Aaron Rodgers, who you know, half the country loves, and half the country eight is a polarizing athlete.
00:45:11
I get that has put up one more point that Patrick Mahomes with, you know, inferior weapons and on Lee in the second year in this system and playing a tougher schedule.
00:45:20
I to me the M V p races down the two guys.
00:45:24
It's Rogers and Mahomes.
00:45:25
And then you can throw Derrick Henry.
00:45:27
Uh, Wilson.
00:45:30
You know, Russell Wilson had a so so night last night, he'd be fourth.
00:45:35
And then you gotta put one defensive guy and they would be Aaron Donald who just kept the Rams afloat just by being a complete wrecking ball.
00:45:43
But I think Rodgers is playing at the same level.
00:45:45
Is, um, as Mahomes, maybe even at the higher level? Because I don't think he has all the toys.
00:45:49
Mahomes, as you sent me that tweet that when Rogers was on with McAfee and said, Yeah, it's like none of us have ever thrown these balls before.
00:45:57
You know it's true.
00:45:58
No, I mean Thean Marino through balls that we hadn't seen before and before him had been Joe Nemeth and so on and so forth.
00:46:05
I mean, uh, not to get off on the on the subject, but I know when we ranked all the all time great quarterbacks and I always rank him and Super Bowl era and pre Super Bowl era Johnny Unite has had a stronger arm in arm break.
00:46:19
So Johnny United's If you wanna put into discussion all well and good.
00:46:22
It's It's not like other sports where, you know, people will say, Well, yeah, he dominated the N b A with the average guy was 6 ft three ah, white guy wearing Kneepads, the NFL throwing a football.
00:46:33
You know, guys did it at a high level back then as well, like John United.
00:46:36
But in terms of the Super Bowl era No, I Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of the Super Bowl era, arguably the greatest player that's ever late stuff a jock strap on the football field.
00:46:46
I always vote for Paul, for Paul.
00:46:48
Brown is my coach, and Jim Brown is my my player but nonetheless know that discussions completely different.
00:46:55
Just what he is now, you know.
00:46:57
So that's that's where we have to kind of separate all these things well, and that's and that's fair and post check Mike life.
00:47:05
I am alive.
00:47:06
I am alive.
00:47:07
I'm taking in all of the Mahomes Rogers.
00:47:09
Listen, Brady wisdom and council.
00:47:11
It's great. This is excellent. This is This is good.
00:47:13
This is This is how I educate myself.
00:47:14
It's kind of like a like a master class going on right now. Tuesday.
00:47:18
It's a half day for half day for Mike.
00:47:21
No.
00:47:22
And and that's and then, of course, I got the Stooges going, uh, on a TV on the side.
00:47:27
So on the TV, not not on the other side of the microphone.
00:47:30
Okay? It would be good. Yeah.
00:47:33
Okay.
00:47:34
Oh, man on And look, I Tom.
00:47:40
And here's the thing.
00:47:41
And this is what we're kind of getting into, too.
00:47:43
Is this this whole? I agree with everything that you just said about Aaron Rodgers.
00:47:47
First Patrick problems again.
00:47:48
This must be conflicting because you like both those guys, and I don't dislike them.
00:47:52
I don't mean that's the thing.
00:47:54
Like people, uh, like when it comes to picking sides of of where I have to go, I'm gonna go the opposite of over praise over over the top Praise because I think again, and I I think my homes gets it thio nauseated extent.
00:48:10
I mean, I think if social media were bigger earlier in this decade earlier last decade, you'd hear the same thing about Roger's similar things.
00:48:19
But it really wasn't and, you know, whatever.
00:48:21
But you know, he got way started on national broadcast.
00:48:24
So I mean and they go, Yeah, exactly.
00:48:26
You know, you know what Rogers is? You know, Troy Aikman eyes the biggest fan of Aaron Rodgers.
00:48:33
Obviously, Chris Simms is even a bigger fan of Adam Rogers than I am, and I didn't think that was possible.
00:48:38
There's different levels here, though.
00:48:40
I mean, the homes.
00:48:42
He's fresh, He's new.
00:48:43
He's exciting.
00:48:44
He he does things differently than Rodgers did who did things differently than Brady did.
00:48:51
And as great as Brady is and no one's debating, he's the greatest quarterback of all time.
00:48:55
I don't find him as exciting toe watches Rogers or Mahomes, you know? I mean, those guys air, just light it up and then you go, Holy crap.
00:49:04
But that's and I'm glad.
00:49:06
I'm glad you brought that up, because I think that's a good Segway.
00:49:09
And we joke about this because we do disagree on some of the fundamentals of this debate, which is fine.
00:49:14
I mean, which is great, because I I like this.
00:49:17
I like this discussion.
00:49:18
That's the key to me.
00:49:20
Different isn't necessarily better.
00:49:23
I'm not saying that's what you think.
00:49:24
I think that's what the overwhelming majority thinks so different is better.
00:49:31
I agree.
00:49:32
Tom Brady is perhaps the most mechanically sound quarterback of all time.
00:49:39
That's That's not flashy, though, so that's not exciting.
00:49:42
But the thing is, is, if you appreciate the cerebral nous of what he does and how he slices and dices and picks apart, defense is all that stuff, all those superlatives.
00:49:53
That's where you get to that aspect of Wow, he's an incredible quarterback.
00:49:57
The problem is, not a lot of people are willing to do that.
00:50:02
Certainly not now, where one.
00:50:04
The games changing.
00:50:05
So you're you're having less of those guys.
00:50:07
And of course, So you know, guys like Mahomes, guys like Rogers, you mistaking different for better and again.
00:50:13
I'm not saying you.
00:50:14
I'm saying in general, because we do disagree on that aspect because people say, Oh, no, of course, Tom Brady is the greatest, but Aaron Rodgers is the most talented of all time or Patrick Mahomes, the most gifted or talented of all time and I say hogwash.
00:50:28
I say that's that Z Basically, I think what that equates to is people saying he runs fast and throws ****her, and that equals more talented when in my eyes.
00:50:40
Being a quarterback.
00:50:41
There's so much more talent at different aspects than just that.
00:50:45
Sure, so to me to sit there, Jay Jay Cutler could throw the ball better than Tom Brady.
00:50:50
Yeah, Cutler had all the arm talent you never want. Jeff George.
00:50:54
I'll go back, You know, 30 years ago had incredible arm talent.
00:50:58
Dan Marino, uh, doesn't have take a back seat to anyone in terms of arm talent and, really, quite frankly, quarterback play.
00:51:04
I think he's, you know, top seven or eight quarterback of all time.
00:51:08
But I think that this is similar to maybe some basketball discussions we had many decades ago.
00:51:14
Bird and magic, you know, with the two best players in basketball.
00:51:17
And then along comes Michael Jordan.
00:51:19
And until Jordan started, you know, running off six titles in eight years, people would still put him third among those three players.
00:51:26
Even though you could just look at him and say he was better, it didn't mean that you had to disparage what Bird or Magic could do.
00:51:33
It was just they did things differently.
00:51:35
And the way I like quarterback Clegg on, I find the quarterback play in the NFL.
00:51:39
So amazing right now, is it? Quarterbacks come in all different shapes and sizes.
00:51:44
I mean, did you see the end of the game last night when Russell Wilson and Carson Wentz shook hands? Russell Wilson was up to his shoulder.
00:51:52
I mean, Russell Wilson, like 5.
00:51:53
5, went 65 Look at Kyler Murray.
00:51:57
Yes, So there's no cookie cutter quarterback anymore.
00:52:01
You got Wilson and Murray guys that you know, probably wouldn't have been drafted, you know, 15 years ago because they would be deemed too short.
00:52:09
Then you've got giant quarterbacks.
00:52:11
You know Tom Brady, 6 ft five Carson Wentz is 65 on.
00:52:15
Then you guys in between you've got homes and Rogers, who were 62 and have the Great Arm Council.
00:52:20
They come in all different shapes and sizes, and I like that.
00:52:23
You know, it's it's not like a time where, okay, this guy looks and plays like the corporate quarterback.
00:52:30
These guys are all different now.
00:52:31
That's why I think we're getting quarterback play the highest level.
00:52:33
Also, because the college game is evolved to the point where now the NFL is copy and college football, so these kids are coming in and ready to play right away.
00:52:41
And, of course, the relaxed rules don't hurt, either.
00:52:44
I mean, you know, just just watch any any games from the seventies or sixties and you see quarterbacks, we're getting bashed, you know, three seconds after a play and it barely be a flag called.
00:52:56
Now, you know, every interception Mahomes throws comes back because someone you know roughed the passer and the same thing with Brady.
00:53:02
I mean, well protected.
00:53:04
Quite uh, quite well again.
00:53:06
Brady zero roughing the passer calls against him last year.
00:53:10
So throw that out there before I say this, though, because, you know, that's that's something that, uh, you know, again, you talk about the rules and and this is a discussion I had recently because they brought up, You know, Mahomes 1st 41 games and Brady's 1st 41 games, which is great, which is which is awesome.
00:53:29
But the problem is too many people and and not just fans, but national media.
00:53:34
Well, well misinterpret that very obviously again, the nick rights over the world will sit there and say, Well, obviously, Mahomes is a much better play.
00:53:41
Well, well, no, not obviously, because again, if you don't take into account the context of the evolution of the game because, like you said, the college game 15 years ago used to go from one system in college, so completely different one in the NFL.
00:53:55
So you have to learn how to be a different quarterback If you happen to play this, uh, you know, spread it out like, you know, you know, uh, air raid offense type thing.
00:54:07
Now, you know, a lot of these teams are doing that.
00:54:10
I mean, again, relaxed rules allows that to happen in the NFL, whereas in college, I think there's a lot more talent discrepancy.
00:54:18
There's a lot more talent gaps that create more open space.
00:54:22
You know what I'm saying? So, like in the NFL, even the worst team, even the Jets, um, the talent discrepancy isn't as much.
00:54:29
So you're seeing that so But you know, when you sit there and say, you know, sometimes you just see, you know, with Jordan and Bird.
00:54:35
Obviously, I'm not old enough to remember that the very beginning of that, but I'm assuming that the comparison was kind of basically talking about my homes, and it's like, Yeah, I see a very talented kid.
00:54:47
I don't see someone that's over the top better than everyone else.
00:54:51
And I know that comes across as being all You're just a hater and and maybe I am maybe No, no.
00:54:57
And again, I think, Yeah, I was gonna say maybe a couple years from now, I'll wake up from this stupor and be like, all right, Maybe maybe I was just, you know, you know, I was I was the Nick, right? Thio, Patrick, the whole anti Patrick Mullins.
00:55:09
Who knows? But but no, I think I think it's fascinating because you have again.
00:55:13
The side of his career is really unprecedented in terms of individual numbers, although Dan Marino I keep bringing him up.
00:55:20
You know, his first year in the league, that dolphins to the playoffs the second year, he said.
00:55:25
Every imaginable passing records that was in 1984 is the league M V P.
00:55:29
The next year, he was the only team on the only team that beat the Chicago Bears in 1985.
00:55:35
I'll put up Marino's first three years and even get the city year against anyone's um but again a lot of this has to do with coaching, and a lot of it has to do with defense.
00:55:45
And look, coaching is important, right? We're seeing Tom Brady now with a **** like Bruce Arians after spending 20 years with Bill Belichick, and we're seeing it with Aaron Rodgers.
00:55:54
In a sense, how bad coaches Mike McCarthy now look.
00:55:57
I mean, he's with the Dallas Cowboys.
00:55:59
He's horrible.
00:56:02
And now Rodgers has a least a competent play caller, Matt LaFleur, and we see him playing a high level look.
00:56:08
Patrick Mahomes went to the perfect situation.
00:56:10
He wasn't the first pick in the draft, and sometimes that can be a good thing for a quarterback because he already went to a team that went to the playoffs the year before for he spent a year studying under a total pro and Alex Smith, and he got to play with Andy Reid so that perfect situation with all sorts of tools.
00:56:24
So look at the Shawn Watson a little bit different.
00:56:27
He had a knee problem.
00:56:29
He went toe less than a great coach and Billy O Brien.
00:56:32
He did have DeAndre Hopkins, but not a real well organization.
00:56:35
You know, you put the Shawn Watson in Kansas City, The results might not be that this similar.
00:56:40
Yeah, no.
00:56:41
And I see. And that's the point.
00:56:43
I agree with that.
00:56:44
And and I made a mentioned earlier that I haven't.
00:56:46
And again, I don't have any eat.
00:56:47
This is more of Ah, maybe a little hyperbole here, but I don't think I've ever seen someone complete mawr wide open throws that were, as in there, accurate as as Patrick problems.
00:56:58
And this isn't just this past week.
00:57:00
I mean, go back, go back to the week before where he's thrown behind Travis Kelsey.
00:57:03
He missed a couple where he missed a wide open me Coulthard.
00:57:07
He even joked on Twitter about it.
00:57:08
And you go back to the Super Bowl the throat that the big throw to Tyree kill.
00:57:13
Yeah, it was great.
00:57:14
In all Tyreek Hill made the catch.
00:57:15
That throw was just just hooked up There there is No, no, no, no.
00:57:20
This is no eat.
00:57:22
No, I traveled 65 Okay? Traveled 65 yards in the air off of an 11 step drop off his back foot.
00:57:29
I mean, that's awesome.
00:57:31
Not all the same.
00:57:32
I'm not saying it wasn't a bad.
00:57:34
I'm not.
00:57:35
I'm not saying it wasn't a bad throw.
00:57:36
I'm not saying it wasn't a bad throw.
00:57:38
What I'm saying is this a god this wide open, Gentlemen, gentlemen, don't don't make Chris Wallace here.
00:57:45
I think is what I'm saying.
00:57:48
I'll be Oh, I'll go back.
00:57:51
I'll go back to the Let's say, the salt fake news folks.
00:57:56
Thats why neither one of these guys need to be your president.
00:58:00
I need to be.
00:58:01
I'm the only one thing with the temperament e commute both both your mikes. By the way.
00:58:07
Just remember that I had the power, Mikey Man, man.
00:58:10
But like I said a word and a half hours, you knew that he knew that he knew that he knew that real quick, cause I don't have to.
00:58:17
It's because it's because the words that I say the most indelible it's about it's about the impression because, like, you know, we'll go to and I'm not talking about the pick that was intercepted by Brady, but the deep past of Mike evidence that Mike Evans look, you're a good is the reason you got it was on point.
00:58:34
You've got to make that catch, and it went off his hands.
00:58:37
That gets lighted as an inaccurate deep pass on Brady's part by the national media and the deep past.
00:58:43
The Tiger kill, you know, again, not the Super Bowl, but the first one, the 75 yarder One is lauded as an incredible, accurate deep pass.
00:58:52
And it wasn't I thought Brady throw was better, but again, the result was different.
00:58:57
So that that's that's what I'm saying.
00:58:59
So, like, I'm not trying to maybe I am.
00:59:01
Maybe deep down I am trying to bring him down.
00:59:03
But I'm not trying to sit here and say that, you know, he's a bad quarterback.
00:59:07
It's just trying to put things in perspective, and it's how people look at it.
00:59:11
And, John, you know, we got to start getting you on at nine o'clock.
00:59:14
You know what might just take Tuesdays off from now on or just pop? No way.
00:59:19
Why don't we just do a podcast together? S I'm starting to shoot Tuesday.
00:59:25
No issue the Tuesday morning and you and Mike do such great work.
00:59:29
Stay together for Mike is, you know, on his second episode of the Three Stooges, no no pun intended with us involved, but yeah, do a podcast. That's fine.
00:59:38
We'll just do you know, actually, know what? I gotta work with Tom Keegan.
00:59:42
Get off my lawn podcast.
00:59:43
Maybe we'll take it over until we figure out how to.
00:59:46
And a farm Technically, because now he's living in Indiana.
00:59:48
Actually, you sound more like a grumpy old man.
00:59:51
Yeah, I'm the one holding onto tradition and appreciating.
00:59:56
I'm the millennial.
00:59:57
I like cool quarterbacks.
00:59:58
I'm like the 24 year old.
01:00:00
Guess what? Patrick Mahomes, the greatest ever.
01:00:03
Cool, cool.
01:00:04
And throwing off your back foot doesn't get your extra points, that's all.
01:00:07
I'm gonna get the chicks, though.
01:00:09
Oh, yeah, yeah, sure.
01:00:12
Throwing out the black behind his back, Brady even one on that one.
01:00:17
He's very to the world's most looper bottle.
01:00:19
Even won that debate with that said, I wish we had another two hours to keep doing this, but unfortunately we don't know.
01:00:29
Mike does it.
01:00:30
Well, Mike, Mike, Mike, Just remember the lesson.
01:00:32
The lesson that I've learned all throughout today, folks, chicks dig the back foot.
01:00:36
There you go. That is that.
01:00:38
That's the lesson from today that should be the title of the video.
01:00:41
Rex Ryan will attest to that as well.
01:00:43
Because, you know, folks, I don't know how we can end any better than that.
01:00:47
Have a great day.
01:00:48
We'll talk to you all tomorrow.
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Well, I guess we can't hear each other.
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I don't think you can hear it.
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Looks like we have.
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We have some terribly awful audio situations going on right now, so we're going to try to reset this.
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Oh, I'm back. Okay.
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All right, I'm back.
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Ah, I'm trying to see if we can, uh, fix this all on the fly here.
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So, like I said just better with me.
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We'll get this figured out a soon as Mike is back.
00:19:21
Can Mike, can you hear me? Is that that's the thing I can hear you.
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Can you hear? May There.
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My friend just sent you a chat.
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Can you hear me? Mike? Mike? Mike! No, Mike.
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All right.
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We'll work on that.
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Um, hopefully we'll have John sapa Chetty here in just a few moments.
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Like I said, I want Thio.
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Hopefully get him on assuming all these issues don't continue to go on, but let us know what you think.
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FBC radio live.
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Uh, discussion we're gonna have is mostly going to surround talent versus greatest because I think it's I think it's a silly parsing of a It's just to me.
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It's just it's it's a silly parsing of Ah, they argument.
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And to me, it's its's.
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We'll get into it in more detail.
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Hopefully with John coming up here in a second.
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So, um, I know.
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Uh oh.
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You can hear Mike now, too.
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I can't hear Mike.
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Mike, Say something for everybody.
00:20:31
Hello? Oh, my God.
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Okay, I can I can hear you weigh are back.
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We are back, folks.
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And I got a dog back.
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I think we figured it out. Okay.
00:20:42
Joel says we could hear both of us.
00:20:43
Thank God.
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Because I was running out of things to say while I was trying to multitask.
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I was using, you know, Mike and I joke all the time We eat share half a brain.
00:20:51
Well, I was using My half are my half of the half.
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I was using half of that to try to figure out these audio issues.
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So I was using eighth of a brain.
00:21:01
It Is that the math? I don't know.
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You're just gonna have to take my word for it is getting.
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It was my understanding that there would be no math, and, uh, I think yeah, I think we're I think we're great, Joel.
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Thank you.
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for saving FBC Radio Live this morning.
00:21:14
But he always always comes through right in the clutch, right when you need him.
00:21:18
He is the Julian Edelman of this show.
00:21:20
And, uh, you know, I mean, we're gonna have to talk a little bit about John with that as well.
00:21:25
Uh, Julian landing on the Kobe 19 list.
00:21:27
I'm actually working on a piece for fbc, um, patriots as we speak on Julian.
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And, uh, it, uh, yeah, it's it's just tough.
00:21:37
It z it's tough to think about.
00:21:39
I was I was gonna say the good thing during our little, uh, technical juggling of trying to figure out what the hell is going on with all the audio.
00:21:47
Um, I remembered what my original point was before I went on that long rant, and it had nothing to do with what I ultimately landed on, which was obviously talking about the quarterbacks, but real quick because you mentioned that Steelers in Baltimore game.
00:22:01
Um, you know, I I was I was saying I'm going to drop the pretense of the NFL actually caring about health, and I'm going to sit here and say, you know what? I if I would steal this, I would be ****ed.
00:22:13
I would be irritated at this point.
00:22:15
I mean, because, you know, look, obviously, in my point of view, the health should always be the priority.
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So, you know, if stuff like this happens, I think these games should have been, you know, all these games, you know, prior to this, you know, earlier in the season should have been rearranged, rescheduled all that stuff.
00:22:30
I am dropped.
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NFL actually does care about the player south, and I'm basing it solely off of what we've seen.
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And, uh, what I'm seeing right now is is a bit of favoritism towards the Ravens.
00:22:44
Let's call it what it is because they've now gotten this. Now.
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They got hit hard, no doubt about it.
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But they've now seen their game get pushed back multiple times, and it begins to open up the door.
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And the possibility of Well, you know, maybe they'll not miss their game with their quarterback.
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Maybe he'll end up getting healthy enough to get back on the field.
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And all of a sudden you're like, you know, Wait a minute.
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Wait a minute.
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We just saw a practice squad running back throw passes for the first time in three years for the Denver Broncos because the NFL said, Yeah, we don't care.
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You have a coach that can throw and knows the offensive system.
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The Broncos tried the lobby for this.
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You have a coach that knows the offensive system, and you're not going to allow them to use them when they have literally no quarterbacks on the roster.
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So they didn't care then.
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But this is now the what third time this game has been moved and and it's almost been moved back an entire week now that it's gonna be played on Wednesday.
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And let's be honest.
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Like I said, they seem to be the only team that's been getting this type of, you know, effort from the league.
00:23:58
Thio.
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Make sure that these players get healthy in time.
00:24:01
Um, I crazy.
00:24:02
Um, I just, you know, putting on my tinfoil hat here.
00:24:05
No, I don't think you're putting on your kitchen foil hat.
00:24:07
I think that in a lot of ways, um, this does reek of a little bit of favoritism.
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And look, I know I want Ryan Clark pretty hard Steelers and whatnot, but they have a right to be upset here.
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They really do.
00:24:20
I think that when you look at the way the NFL has handled some of these cases outside of this and the Ravens have been hit hard again.
00:24:27
You said that.
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And I'm nobody's argument that pointing folks.
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But Denver was forced to play the other day without an actual quarterback, although, you know, some teams, I guess, have been playing without quarterbacks for years.
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But, um, that point is that they didn't have an actual NFL quarterback on staff that could take snaps.
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They had to get a practice squad wide receiver to take snaps.
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And by all intensive purposes, kid did the best he could.
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But you know, those air difficult, difficult cir***stances.
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They made the Patriots fly out on the same day to play a game when they were hit hard.
00:25:00
Bye bye, Covad, Uh, you know, 19, you know, issues.
00:25:04
And which still amazes me that people think that there are still some idiots out there that think that the NFL was easy on the Patriots when it came to that.
00:25:12
No, I don't think so.
00:25:13
It really weren't, um, but yeah, For these accommodations, it almost feels like a bend over backwards type, um, feel from the NFL to try to accommodate what the Ravens were going through.
00:25:25
I know they're trying to prevent the spread.
00:25:26
I know they're trying to prevent a lot of what's going on, but when you look at what they've done to teams like the like, the Raiders that were hit very hard Um, the 40 Niners now yeah, I mean, exactly So I mean, you look at all of this that's going on now with the with with Cove it and you wonder why certain teams are getting preferential treatment, whether you think it's just the Ravens or not.
00:25:49
It's a bad look for the NFL, and really, I mean, they were in every position to be able to avoid this by just scheduling in buffer weeks, trying to understand that they were going to be problems like this. Games.
00:26:01
We're gonna have to be outright canceled, delayed.
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But there's just no continuity in terms of what they're doing, and I think that's really where the frustration is coming from, and especially with Steelers, because they've really been on the short end of the stick.
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On a lot of this look And that's the thing, too.
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It's like if this was consistent across the board, then you know, I'd have no problem with it and I'd say, Well, boo hoo, Steelers.
00:26:23
It's unfortunate that you happen to be part of this, but, um, it hasn't been consistent.
00:26:29
And, uh, again it does, you know, especially when you look at the Ravens and, you know, people talk about Well, they're they're repeat offenders there.
00:26:38
Repeat this.
00:26:39
Well, the Ravens have had their hands dirty for for pretty long time.
00:26:42
There always something.
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And again, I'm doing the Patriots treatment on them.
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But you know, there's these little violations that that they kind of get hit with it.
00:26:50
And look, John Harbaugh is known as a bit of a complainer.
00:26:54
We we've seen that on TV miked up just a week and a half ago.
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We've seen it over the past several years, so, you know.
00:27:02
Yeah, maybe there is a little bit of bias there, but at the same time, it's like it's hard not to sit there and say, Look, I think the Ravens are certainly being treated more favorably than, uh, certainly the Broncos.
00:27:13
Certainly the Patriots who got find especially when you consider that apparently one of the Ravens coach is what was was fine for basically, you know, going against the rules, not wearing a mask, all that stuff and kind of be embracing about it.
00:27:29
So, hey, uh, we'll say we'll see.
00:27:34
Finds could ultimately come down on the Ravens, But trust me, if if they don't, then you're gonna you're gonna hear be a little bit louder, Um, about all those conspiracy stuff, and I may actually wear a tinfoil at on camera.
00:27:49
But, um, speaking of tinfoil hat up, that's that I don't mean that.
00:27:55
Um, we love John here, and I know he's a little bit crazy about his quarterbacks, and we're gonna talk to him about that here in a little bit.
00:28:02
Eso Mike, do you have any last words before you don't speak again for the next 30 minutes? Uh, no, You know what? I'll leave that in suspense, so I'll use my words tomorrow to kick off the show, and, uh, I'll leave everyone wanting a little more.
00:28:18
No, all kidding aside, that's great.
00:28:20
You know, e can't wait to get step in.
00:28:23
Not all kidding aside, this is great.
00:28:24
I always love it when he comes in, We well and look, we're obviously and it's not like we plan this every single day.
00:28:33
Um, you know, it just so happens that the certain players are always in the news and hey, coming off Kansas City versus Tampa Bay.
00:28:43
Which look, you know, and I'm gonna ask you about that game right now before we get actually before John actually gets in here because, you know, I said it during the game and I thought, Look, it's very obvious when they're playing a Patriot style offense and it seems to work very well.
00:29:00
Now I don't know exactly what's true and what's not.
00:29:05
What comes out of Bruce Arians mouth.
00:29:06
But hey, seemed toe allude to the fact that Tom's calling all the plays.
00:29:11
And again, I I I'll be honest, like his act is kind of warrant.
00:29:15
Then a little bit.
00:29:16
I'm not like Pleat like, Oh, he's an awful, terrible coach.
00:29:19
But at the same time, I'm starting to be like All right, let's let's you know, let's cut this bravado, act here and and and learn that Hey, look, maybe it's you that's being confused right now.
00:29:30
Is to how to call some of these games.
00:29:32
But, um, you know, this is a team that on both sides of the ball looks great and looks bad within the same game.
00:29:41
Um, offensively, again, people keep focusing on the interceptions and and look, they they're certainly one of them.
00:29:48
Was was not good.
00:29:49
Uh, say what you will about the second one, the one that deflected off the helmet.
00:29:56
I happen to think, you know, as I believe, Romo explained that, you know, look, Tom was looking for one thing.
00:30:03
Mike Evans was looking at another, and unfortunately, this just led to an interception.
00:30:09
And it wasn't a great throw.
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And I also don't think it was a great decision of Mike Evans part.
00:30:14
I think he has to be a little bit more aware of where he needs to be.
00:30:18
But you know, at the same time, Tom limited what options he had by committing to that and then again ultimately throwing the ball when when the play was not there to be made.
00:30:29
So, uh, of course you know, obviously, Tom's not immune to criticism that that's certainly not the case.
00:30:39
What he is not deserving of is again.
00:30:44
I mean, to me, It's funny.
00:30:46
It's funny to think that, Ah, guy that that's 43 years old, who is going to come close to throwing his age and touchdown passes? Um, that 40 some odd 1000 or 44 4000 some odd yards and 11 12 13 interceptions is washed like How does that make sense? Even even if you hate to our Brady used the word washed.
00:31:09
How does that not make sense? At the worst? At the worst, maybe you could make a case that he is a top 10 quarterback at the worst.
00:31:19
So how is it that he's washed? And again? People don't like to hear that.
00:31:23
Oh, well, you know, Patrick Mahomes says.
00:31:25
29 total touchdowns.
00:31:27
Tom Brady has 28.
00:31:29
It's there really isn't a huge difference.
00:31:31
Is Patrick Mahomes playing a Z M V P frontrunner shirt? Absolutely.
00:31:36
But that's not to say that there is this significant gap, and we saw it on Sunday.
00:31:42
We saw it on Sunday, and we're gonna talk, talk a bit about that with John, and I can't I can't wait because obviously we disagree on a lot of things, but it's fun, and I think we always gonna get a good, good fun out of each other.
00:31:53
So what were your thoughts on the game, Mike? And what do you see with this Bucks team now hitting their bye week? Where do you see this team needing to go to play more consistently and play to the level that I think we all know that they can? Yeah, I think it's just it's consistency.
00:32:10
Like you said, there are flashes of where this team can play like it's one of the top teams in the NFC, maybe even the top team in the NFC.
00:32:17
When you look at the talent they have on both sides of the ball, but they're not playing like that, they're not giving nearly the consistency that a team like Green Bay or even New Orleans has done this year on.
00:32:28
Even they haven't been extremely consistent week after week after week.
00:32:31
I think the we've seen ah lot of inconsistencies with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
00:32:39
Defensively, they'll make plays, they'll look pretty solid and then of course, at the same time they'll also have difficulty and then they'll let up place where you look at it and you say, Well, how is this team considered having an elite defense when they look like this? A times, it's difficulty on offense.
00:32:56
Yeah, they're definitely does look to be a disconnected times in terms of play calling in terms of what the teams are capable of.
00:33:02
Um, I think a lot of this does come from offensive play calling and maybe even game planning.
00:33:08
Byron Leftwich and Bruce Arians need to take a look in the mirror and realize that it's not just on your quarterback shoulders.
00:33:15
You didn't bring in Tom Brady to be ableto lay the blame at his doorstep and say, Oh, look, no, it's not our fault.
00:33:21
Stomps fall because guess what? You were having the same problems last year.
00:33:24
It comes from game planning, and they need to do a better job utilized Tom strength.
00:33:30
I saw a tweet, and I can't remember the author of it.
00:33:33
I really can't, but it's almost like asking a brain surgeon to come to Uh um, it is a funny tweet on.
00:33:42
I forgot who it was.
00:33:43
Having Tom Brady in in um in Tampa Bay allows you to be surgical in terms of your approached offense.
00:33:51
It's almost like they brought in the world's most renowned brain surgeon to just have him.
00:33:55
Do, you know, like, you know, minor implants, you know, for as a plastic surgeon, You know, I mean, he's capable of doing it, but I mean, why would you just use his talents to do that when you're capable of doing so? I think that was a I think I think I get that.
00:34:09
And if no one has follow up questions up, we can just move on and accept that.
00:34:13
That was a funny tweet by me. Absolutely.
00:34:16
And you know what? Yeah.
00:34:18
Yeah, exactly.
00:34:19
I mean, it's just to me.
00:34:20
That's exactly what you're seeing in Tampa Bay.
00:34:22
Um, yeah.
00:34:24
When Tom is in sync with his receivers, you see great things.
00:34:28
You see it all the time.
00:34:29
But when there's questions about routes and things of that nature Yeah, I mean, can he sit back? You know, Chuck the ball downfield.
00:34:36
He could do What? Did we lose your mike? Sounds like we lost you like I I hope.
00:34:58
Oh, boy.
00:34:59
Well, three audio issues continue here.
00:35:02
Like I said, I he's adjusting his game.
00:35:05
You sorry? You just, like, cut out for like, 30 seconds.
00:35:11
So yeah, apparent.
00:35:13
Apparently, your voice was it was just to thunderous and it knocked out the power lines.
00:35:20
Apparently, I don't know. Anyways, your back your back.
00:35:22
Well, in any case, I am back, folks.
00:35:24
Yes, I am book and yeah, basically, what I was trying to say was Tom's connection with his new receivers.
00:35:30
There has to be a learning curve.
00:35:31
He's still getting used to this offense.
00:35:34
He's still getting used to this.
00:35:35
This set of teammates, the coaching staff, it's an adjustment.
00:35:38
And for people to sit there and expect in a year in which you had essentially no training camp, no o.
00:35:44
T A s, no opportunities toe work out beyond what was given to you.
00:35:48
Even in private settings.
00:35:50
Those things don't called the same weight because coaching staff is not doing its job.
00:35:54
It's it's just it's a different type of field, and in that respect to dismiss that, then just not, you know, just toss it aside because it doesn't fit.
00:36:03
Your narrative is not responsible.
00:36:05
It's something that has to be said because it is.
00:36:07
Ah, part of growing was coming together.
00:36:12
I think you've seen that Tom can carry this team when he's capable of doing it.
00:36:15
I really to be totally honest with you.
00:36:17
I'm looking forward as much to next season in Tampa Bay as I am the remaining few games here because I think you're really going to see this team hit its stride, especially if they have a full offseason of preparation, of working out together of organized team activities.
00:36:32
You're going to see this team really pop, but don't count them out this year.
00:36:35
I still believe in the Tampa Bay Bucks, and I think they're gonna be right there at the end.
00:36:38
With all the teams in the NFC in the mix for a title, Well, then, that's that's just the thing.
00:36:43
It's like, you know, they you know, the hope is that they're not internally pointing fingers because then again then then they're never going to solve this because, you know, there there's blame to go across the board and depending on where you're coming from, what your motivation is, uh, you pick and choose what you blame.
00:36:59
I mean, everyone's praising the defense and they did a great job in the second half.
00:37:02
They were abysmal in the first half.
00:37:04
I mean, people ask Well, how they fall down. 17. Nothing.
00:37:07
Well, they didn't get a rhythm early on offense, but, um, when when you don't cover players.
00:37:15
You know, again, I mean wide open, tired to kill.
00:37:18
You got to cover him.
00:37:20
You allow a guide Thio get 200 yards in the air in the first quarter.
00:37:25
Yeah, that's an issue.
00:37:26
And not so much on the quarterback.
00:37:29
So I'm excited because I was starting to worry that I know he's chomping at the bit to join us, But it says we've been having so many audio issues with connections and and everything.
00:37:41
I was hoping we weren't gonna have to put this off, because, um, we got John SAPA Chetty on.
00:37:48
And you know, I've been excited to talk about this. I know. I know.
00:37:53
John's excited to talk about all this.
00:37:55
Uh, John, how you doing today? Do you have your voice? So are you feeling good? Are you feeling confident or feeling feeling energetic? Absolutely.
00:38:04
I've had several cups of coffee, so I feel really good.
00:38:07
Yes, like a kneecap.
00:38:11
But it's still coffee like you.
00:38:14
Still there? You gang up.
00:38:15
I know we said you weren't gonna speak much, but hopefully you're still here.
00:38:20
No, that's all right.
00:38:21
I'm just getting my favorite pillow out.
00:38:22
And I'm ready to just, you know, taking that John.
00:38:25
Always, always a pleasure, buddy.
00:38:27
I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
00:38:29
Always great to have you join us here.
00:38:30
You know, I'm only getting girlfriend.
00:38:32
Absolutely.
00:38:33
Mike absolutely had a great Thanksgiving.
00:38:35
Hopefully yours.
00:38:36
You and your family is well, same with you and your family.
00:38:39
And, uh, you know, now it turns into Tuesday morning quarterback discussion between boomer Science and Phil Simms over here.
00:38:47
I don't even want to know who's who.
00:38:49
Because I don't know which one is worse.
00:38:51
To be honest or or I'm a big boomer fan.
00:38:55
I think he's the best jock turned broadcaster.
00:38:58
I think you show on W understood.
00:39:01
Like his ****ysis.
00:39:02
I think you're a good thing to me.
00:39:03
Is I'm a boomer guy.
00:39:05
No, but actually, this is more like Skip Bayless against Shannon Sharpe.
00:39:08
You could skip Bayless because Tom Brady does nothing wrong, and Aaron Rodgers sucks.
00:39:12
And I could be you know, Shannon Sharpe, who loves Aaron Rodgers.
00:39:16
Well, Like I said, it could get worse for you.
00:39:18
You could be Nick. Great on.
00:39:20
Uh, look, I know I want my home, so I get that.
00:39:26
Yeah, but I I know you're I know you enjoy him.
00:39:29
I know you.
00:39:30
You're a fan of his.
00:39:31
Um, did you happen to see his timeline Sunday night on Twitter after during the during the game during the during the Packers game? No, no, no, no, no.
00:39:46
During the bucks and, uh oh, the afternoon game short.
00:39:49
Because he's I mean, he's a huge Kansas City Chiefs fans don't know e Well, he's more about Tom Brady.
00:39:56
But you know what, though I will say this.
00:39:58
Someone had to retort or push back against Tony Romo, who clearly must have received some sort of payment toe just absolutely puff up, pump up Tom Brady.
00:40:08
Uh, you know, throw was Brady's fault.
00:40:11
It was the receivers fault that was offensive coordinator.
00:40:13
That was the head coach of the condition.
00:40:15
Isn't that was much.
00:40:16
That's a common misconception, though, because one of the big things that Nick criticized him was was obviously misleading because, you know, in the ****ysis, Tony Romo, he said, right off the bat.
00:40:28
It wasn't a great throw, but and this is talking about the one that ended up going off the helmet and all that.
00:40:34
What he was looking at was, and this is the disconnect between the receiver and the quarterback throughout the season.
00:40:40
We've seen this that, you know you're looking at Mike Evans and Mike Evans is he's a good receiver.
00:40:48
He doesn't know exactly where to be at times, or at least where Tom Brady expects him to be at times.
00:40:54
So in that sense, Tom struggles and and he panicked and he threw a bad ball again, hits off the helmet.
00:41:01
That's kind of tough luck, but have you watched the Packers game? Does it ever look like marquees valves can scan? Lee ever knows where he's going, and yet Aaron Rodgers keeps going back to him.
00:41:10
He's not even close to being the talent of Mike Evans.
00:41:13
He doesn't belittle him.
00:41:14
He's fast.
00:41:15
He's faster than Mike Mike.
00:41:17
Mike Evans also leads the league in touchdown passes, so I'm not completely, uh, sitting there saying that these two aren't on the same page.
00:41:25
I think there's a 80% of them are from one yard out.
00:41:27
But that's okay.
00:41:28
Hey, this little touch, that's fine.
00:41:30
How many? How many little dump offs? And I'll say it.
00:41:34
It's the most of the league that, uh, Patrick Mahomes has.
00:41:37
And let me add this to I I've never seen someone throw Mawr, uh, inaccurate wide open passes in my life and Patrick problems, but we'll get to that in a minute.
00:41:47
I'm sure Pff will have a for that.
00:41:51
I think they're knocking on my door trying to hire me right now.
00:41:53
Oh, yeah, you said right in with Well, really not that good.
00:41:57
If you look closely, no.
00:41:58
And you know you know my motivation with all this, I never say he's not that good.
00:42:02
It za about perspective, and I'm like I said, we'll get to that.
00:42:05
But with Nick, it's It's kind of like, Look, I understand that you like him.
00:42:10
I think it's kind of a sad act.
00:42:11
I get what he's trying to do, but it's kind of it's really over the top, like to the point where, like he's obsessing, like, literally, you scroll through his timeline.
00:42:19
Not one single mention off the Chiefs, Mahomes, anything.
00:42:24
It was literally 89 straight tweets about Tom Brady and usually.
00:42:28
And it's very predictable, too, because he only opens his mouth when he struggles.
00:42:33
And he's when they're actually doing well, which is the majority of the time.
00:42:39
And you'll see that when he has, ah, week in between tweeting and it's one tweet and it's usually one moment of the game that's early on.
00:42:47
And then after that, he shuts up.
00:42:48
But, um, look, the bottom line is, yeah, of course you know what's good? Finally.
00:42:52
Finally, the Buccaneers have a bye week, so we won't have to watch Tom Brady this week, so that will be good for all of us.
00:42:58
This is a little break through this team.
00:43:00
That team definitely needs it.
00:43:02
Let me tell you, they need the bye week. They need Thio.
00:43:04
Do some looking in the mirror.
00:43:06
Um, but here at the same time, you're sitting here talking about Romo defending Tom Brady.
00:43:11
Um, when I have Thio here, the homes magic.
00:43:16
When he throws to a wide receiver who has nary a defender in sight within 10 yards, I don't want to hear about what a magical throw by Patrick Mahomes.
00:43:27
No, he's throwing to a spot, a giant spot, often inaccurately, because, like, uh, and I said, This is first touchdown pass people and and here's the deal and and this is my problems going back to Nick right? Because this is what he criticized Tom Brady for.
00:43:43
He said he threw an inaccurate pass when the ball went directly through camera breaks.
00:43:49
A I mean directly through the middle of his hands.
00:43:52
But camera break did not close his hands to catch the ball.
00:43:55
It went right through.
00:43:56
He criticized Tom Brady for throwing an inaccurate pass on that, but at the same time, we'll sit there and laud Patrick Mahomes for throwing to a wide open Tyree kill 60 yards down the field.
00:44:08
That's behind and you know low.
00:44:11
So Tyreek Hill has to do basically a 1 80 to catch the ball and actually make a play out of it.
00:44:16
When you know people sit there and be like he's the most gifted throw of all time and that's something kind of what we're getting into a little bit.
00:44:22
Well, we saw that guy on Sunday night when the Packers destroyed the Bears.
00:44:26
I still think that Aaron Rodgers is playing at an extremely high level.
00:44:29
This reminds me of the discussion people would have with, you know, the Beatles and the Stones.
00:44:33
And I'm sorry to go until way back machine, but they're still, you know, all time great bands The Stones, the Beatles, the Beatles, the Stones and sometimes the answer was the Who, and that's what we get in the NFL.
00:44:44
Sometimes it's like my home.
00:44:45
Brady Brady Mahomes.
00:44:46
Well, the easy answer is Aaron Rodgers is playing at the highest level.
00:44:50
Does anybody realize that in the same amount of games the Green Bay Packers have scored one more point than the Kansas City Chiefs? Packers have scored 349 points that chiefs of scored 348.
00:45:01
So we give you that.
00:45:03
The Chiefs have better weapons than the package, but somehow poor Aaron Rodgers, who you know, half the country loves, and half the country eight is a polarizing athlete.
00:45:11
I get that has put up one more point that Patrick Mahomes with, you know, inferior weapons and on Lee in the second year in this system and playing a tougher schedule.
00:45:20
I to me the M V p races down the two guys.
00:45:24
It's Rogers and Mahomes.
00:45:25
And then you can throw Derrick Henry.
00:45:27
Uh, Wilson.
00:45:30
You know, Russell Wilson had a so so night last night, he'd be fourth.
00:45:35
And then you gotta put one defensive guy and they would be Aaron Donald who just kept the Rams afloat just by being a complete wrecking ball.
00:45:43
But I think Rodgers is playing at the same level.
00:45:45
Is, um, as Mahomes, maybe even at the higher level? Because I don't think he has all the toys.
00:45:49
Mahomes, as you sent me that tweet that when Rogers was on with McAfee and said, Yeah, it's like none of us have ever thrown these balls before.
00:45:57
You know it's true.
00:45:58
No, I mean Thean Marino through balls that we hadn't seen before and before him had been Joe Nemeth and so on and so forth.
00:46:05
I mean, uh, not to get off on the on the subject, but I know when we ranked all the all time great quarterbacks and I always rank him and Super Bowl era and pre Super Bowl era Johnny Unite has had a stronger arm in arm break.
00:46:19
So Johnny United's If you wanna put into discussion all well and good.
00:46:22
It's It's not like other sports where, you know, people will say, Well, yeah, he dominated the N b A with the average guy was 6 ft three ah, white guy wearing Kneepads, the NFL throwing a football.
00:46:33
You know, guys did it at a high level back then as well, like John United.
00:46:36
But in terms of the Super Bowl era No, I Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of the Super Bowl era, arguably the greatest player that's ever late stuff a jock strap on the football field.
00:46:46
I always vote for Paul, for Paul.
00:46:48
Brown is my coach, and Jim Brown is my my player but nonetheless know that discussions completely different.
00:46:55
Just what he is now, you know.
00:46:57
So that's that's where we have to kind of separate all these things well, and that's and that's fair and post check Mike life.
00:47:05
I am alive.
00:47:06
I am alive.
00:47:07
I'm taking in all of the Mahomes Rogers.
00:47:09
Listen, Brady wisdom and council.
00:47:11
It's great. This is excellent. This is This is good.
00:47:13
This is This is how I educate myself.
00:47:14
It's kind of like a like a master class going on right now. Tuesday.
00:47:18
It's a half day for half day for Mike.
00:47:21
No.
00:47:22
And and that's and then, of course, I got the Stooges going, uh, on a TV on the side.
00:47:27
So on the TV, not not on the other side of the microphone.
00:47:30
Okay? It would be good. Yeah.
00:47:33
Okay.
00:47:34
Oh, man on And look, I Tom.
00:47:40
And here's the thing.
00:47:41
And this is what we're kind of getting into, too.
00:47:43
Is this this whole? I agree with everything that you just said about Aaron Rodgers.
00:47:47
First Patrick problems again.
00:47:48
This must be conflicting because you like both those guys, and I don't dislike them.
00:47:52
I don't mean that's the thing.
00:47:54
Like people, uh, like when it comes to picking sides of of where I have to go, I'm gonna go the opposite of over praise over over the top Praise because I think again, and I I think my homes gets it thio nauseated extent.
00:48:10
I mean, I think if social media were bigger earlier in this decade earlier last decade, you'd hear the same thing about Roger's similar things.
00:48:19
But it really wasn't and, you know, whatever.
00:48:21
But you know, he got way started on national broadcast.
00:48:24
So I mean and they go, Yeah, exactly.
00:48:26
You know, you know what Rogers is? You know, Troy Aikman eyes the biggest fan of Aaron Rodgers.
00:48:33
Obviously, Chris Simms is even a bigger fan of Adam Rogers than I am, and I didn't think that was possible.
00:48:38
There's different levels here, though.
00:48:40
I mean, the homes.
00:48:42
He's fresh, He's new.
00:48:43
He's exciting.
00:48:44
He he does things differently than Rodgers did who did things differently than Brady did.
00:48:51
And as great as Brady is and no one's debating, he's the greatest quarterback of all time.
00:48:55
I don't find him as exciting toe watches Rogers or Mahomes, you know? I mean, those guys air, just light it up and then you go, Holy crap.
00:49:04
But that's and I'm glad.
00:49:06
I'm glad you brought that up, because I think that's a good Segway.
00:49:09
And we joke about this because we do disagree on some of the fundamentals of this debate, which is fine.
00:49:14
I mean, which is great, because I I like this.
00:49:17
I like this discussion.
00:49:18
That's the key to me.
00:49:20
Different isn't necessarily better.
00:49:23
I'm not saying that's what you think.
00:49:24
I think that's what the overwhelming majority thinks so different is better.
00:49:31
I agree.
00:49:32
Tom Brady is perhaps the most mechanically sound quarterback of all time.
00:49:39
That's That's not flashy, though, so that's not exciting.
00:49:42
But the thing is, is, if you appreciate the cerebral nous of what he does and how he slices and dices and picks apart, defense is all that stuff, all those superlatives.
00:49:53
That's where you get to that aspect of Wow, he's an incredible quarterback.
00:49:57
The problem is, not a lot of people are willing to do that.
00:50:02
Certainly not now, where one.
00:50:04
The games changing.
00:50:05
So you're you're having less of those guys.
00:50:07
And of course, So you know, guys like Mahomes, guys like Rogers, you mistaking different for better and again.
00:50:13
I'm not saying you.
00:50:14
I'm saying in general, because we do disagree on that aspect because people say, Oh, no, of course, Tom Brady is the greatest, but Aaron Rodgers is the most talented of all time or Patrick Mahomes, the most gifted or talented of all time and I say hogwash.
00:50:28
I say that's that Z Basically, I think what that equates to is people saying he runs fast and throws ****her, and that equals more talented when in my eyes.
00:50:40
Being a quarterback.
00:50:41
There's so much more talent at different aspects than just that.
00:50:45
Sure, so to me to sit there, Jay Jay Cutler could throw the ball better than Tom Brady.
00:50:50
Yeah, Cutler had all the arm talent you never want. Jeff George.
00:50:54
I'll go back, You know, 30 years ago had incredible arm talent.
00:50:58
Dan Marino, uh, doesn't have take a back seat to anyone in terms of arm talent and, really, quite frankly, quarterback play.
00:51:04
I think he's, you know, top seven or eight quarterback of all time.
00:51:08
But I think that this is similar to maybe some basketball discussions we had many decades ago.
00:51:14
Bird and magic, you know, with the two best players in basketball.
00:51:17
And then along comes Michael Jordan.
00:51:19
And until Jordan started, you know, running off six titles in eight years, people would still put him third among those three players.
00:51:26
Even though you could just look at him and say he was better, it didn't mean that you had to disparage what Bird or Magic could do.
00:51:33
It was just they did things differently.
00:51:35
And the way I like quarterback Clegg on, I find the quarterback play in the NFL.
00:51:39
So amazing right now, is it? Quarterbacks come in all different shapes and sizes.
00:51:44
I mean, did you see the end of the game last night when Russell Wilson and Carson Wentz shook hands? Russell Wilson was up to his shoulder.
00:51:52
I mean, Russell Wilson, like 5.
00:51:53
5, went 65 Look at Kyler Murray.
00:51:57
Yes, So there's no cookie cutter quarterback anymore.
00:52:01
You got Wilson and Murray guys that you know, probably wouldn't have been drafted, you know, 15 years ago because they would be deemed too short.
00:52:09
Then you've got giant quarterbacks.
00:52:11
You know Tom Brady, 6 ft five Carson Wentz is 65 on.
00:52:15
Then you guys in between you've got homes and Rogers, who were 62 and have the Great Arm Council.
00:52:20
They come in all different shapes and sizes, and I like that.
00:52:23
You know, it's it's not like a time where, okay, this guy looks and plays like the corporate quarterback.
00:52:30
These guys are all different now.
00:52:31
That's why I think we're getting quarterback play the highest level.
00:52:33
Also, because the college game is evolved to the point where now the NFL is copy and college football, so these kids are coming in and ready to play right away.
00:52:41
And, of course, the relaxed rules don't hurt, either.
00:52:44
I mean, you know, just just watch any any games from the seventies or sixties and you see quarterbacks, we're getting bashed, you know, three seconds after a play and it barely be a flag called.
00:52:56
Now, you know, every interception Mahomes throws comes back because someone you know roughed the passer and the same thing with Brady.
00:53:02
I mean, well protected.
00:53:04
Quite uh, quite well again.
00:53:06
Brady zero roughing the passer calls against him last year.
00:53:10
So throw that out there before I say this, though, because, you know, that's that's something that, uh, you know, again, you talk about the rules and and this is a discussion I had recently because they brought up, You know, Mahomes 1st 41 games and Brady's 1st 41 games, which is great, which is which is awesome.
00:53:29
But the problem is too many people and and not just fans, but national media.
00:53:34
Well, well misinterpret that very obviously again, the nick rights over the world will sit there and say, Well, obviously, Mahomes is a much better play.
00:53:41
Well, well, no, not obviously, because again, if you don't take into account the context of the evolution of the game because, like you said, the college game 15 years ago used to go from one system in college, so completely different one in the NFL.
00:53:55
So you have to learn how to be a different quarterback If you happen to play this, uh, you know, spread it out like, you know, you know, uh, air raid offense type thing.
00:54:07
Now, you know, a lot of these teams are doing that.
00:54:10
I mean, again, relaxed rules allows that to happen in the NFL, whereas in college, I think there's a lot more talent discrepancy.
00:54:18
There's a lot more talent gaps that create more open space.
00:54:22
You know what I'm saying? So, like in the NFL, even the worst team, even the Jets, um, the talent discrepancy isn't as much.
00:54:29
So you're seeing that so But you know, when you sit there and say, you know, sometimes you just see, you know, with Jordan and Bird.
00:54:35
Obviously, I'm not old enough to remember that the very beginning of that, but I'm assuming that the comparison was kind of basically talking about my homes, and it's like, Yeah, I see a very talented kid.
00:54:47
I don't see someone that's over the top better than everyone else.
00:54:51
And I know that comes across as being all You're just a hater and and maybe I am maybe No, no.
00:54:57
And again, I think, Yeah, I was gonna say maybe a couple years from now, I'll wake up from this stupor and be like, all right, Maybe maybe I was just, you know, you know, I was I was the Nick, right? Thio, Patrick, the whole anti Patrick Mullins.
00:55:09
Who knows? But but no, I think I think it's fascinating because you have again.
00:55:13
The side of his career is really unprecedented in terms of individual numbers, although Dan Marino I keep bringing him up.
00:55:20
You know, his first year in the league, that dolphins to the playoffs the second year, he said.
00:55:25
Every imaginable passing records that was in 1984 is the league M V P.
00:55:29
The next year, he was the only team on the only team that beat the Chicago Bears in 1985.
00:55:35
I'll put up Marino's first three years and even get the city year against anyone's um but again a lot of this has to do with coaching, and a lot of it has to do with defense.
00:55:45
And look, coaching is important, right? We're seeing Tom Brady now with a **** like Bruce Arians after spending 20 years with Bill Belichick, and we're seeing it with Aaron Rodgers.
00:55:54
In a sense, how bad coaches Mike McCarthy now look.
00:55:57
I mean, he's with the Dallas Cowboys.
00:55:59
He's horrible.
00:56:02
And now Rodgers has a least a competent play caller, Matt LaFleur, and we see him playing a high level look.
00:56:08
Patrick Mahomes went to the perfect situation.
00:56:10
He wasn't the first pick in the draft, and sometimes that can be a good thing for a quarterback because he already went to a team that went to the playoffs the year before for he spent a year studying under a total pro and Alex Smith, and he got to play with Andy Reid so that perfect situation with all sorts of tools.
00:56:24
So look at the Shawn Watson a little bit different.
00:56:27
He had a knee problem.
00:56:29
He went toe less than a great coach and Billy O Brien.
00:56:32
He did have DeAndre Hopkins, but not a real well organization.
00:56:35
You know, you put the Shawn Watson in Kansas City, The results might not be that this similar.
00:56:40
Yeah, no.
00:56:41
And I see. And that's the point.
00:56:43
I agree with that.
00:56:44
And and I made a mentioned earlier that I haven't.
00:56:46
And again, I don't have any eat.
00:56:47
This is more of Ah, maybe a little hyperbole here, but I don't think I've ever seen someone complete mawr wide open throws that were, as in there, accurate as as Patrick problems.
00:56:58
And this isn't just this past week.
00:57:00
I mean, go back, go back to the week before where he's thrown behind Travis Kelsey.
00:57:03
He missed a couple where he missed a wide open me Coulthard.
00:57:07
He even joked on Twitter about it.
00:57:08
And you go back to the Super Bowl the throat that the big throw to Tyree kill.
00:57:13
Yeah, it was great.
00:57:14
In all Tyreek Hill made the catch.
00:57:15
That throw was just just hooked up There there is No, no, no, no.
00:57:20
This is no eat.
00:57:22
No, I traveled 65 Okay? Traveled 65 yards in the air off of an 11 step drop off his back foot.
00:57:29
I mean, that's awesome.
00:57:31
Not all the same.
00:57:32
I'm not saying it wasn't a bad.
00:57:34
I'm not.
00:57:35
I'm not saying it wasn't a bad throw.
00:57:36
I'm not saying it wasn't a bad throw.
00:57:38
What I'm saying is this a god this wide open, Gentlemen, gentlemen, don't don't make Chris Wallace here.
00:57:45
I think is what I'm saying.
00:57:48
I'll be Oh, I'll go back.
00:57:51
I'll go back to the Let's say, the salt fake news folks.
00:57:56
Thats why neither one of these guys need to be your president.
00:58:00
I need to be.
00:58:01
I'm the only one thing with the temperament e commute both both your mikes. By the way.
00:58:07
Just remember that I had the power, Mikey Man, man.
00:58:10
But like I said a word and a half hours, you knew that he knew that he knew that he knew that real quick, cause I don't have to.
00:58:17
It's because it's because the words that I say the most indelible it's about it's about the impression because, like, you know, we'll go to and I'm not talking about the pick that was intercepted by Brady, but the deep past of Mike evidence that Mike Evans look, you're a good is the reason you got it was on point.
00:58:34
You've got to make that catch, and it went off his hands.
00:58:37
That gets lighted as an inaccurate deep pass on Brady's part by the national media and the deep past.
00:58:43
The Tiger kill, you know, again, not the Super Bowl, but the first one, the 75 yarder One is lauded as an incredible, accurate deep pass.
00:58:52
And it wasn't I thought Brady throw was better, but again, the result was different.
00:58:57
So that that's that's what I'm saying.
00:58:59
So, like, I'm not trying to maybe I am.
00:59:01
Maybe deep down I am trying to bring him down.
00:59:03
But I'm not trying to sit here and say that, you know, he's a bad quarterback.
00:59:07
It's just trying to put things in perspective, and it's how people look at it.
00:59:11
And, John, you know, we got to start getting you on at nine o'clock.
00:59:14
You know what might just take Tuesdays off from now on or just pop? No way.
00:59:19
Why don't we just do a podcast together? S I'm starting to shoot Tuesday.
00:59:25
No issue the Tuesday morning and you and Mike do such great work.
00:59:29
Stay together for Mike is, you know, on his second episode of the Three Stooges, no no pun intended with us involved, but yeah, do a podcast. That's fine.
00:59:38
We'll just do you know, actually, know what? I gotta work with Tom Keegan.
00:59:42
Get off my lawn podcast.
00:59:43
Maybe we'll take it over until we figure out how to.
00:59:46
And a farm Technically, because now he's living in Indiana.
00:59:48
Actually, you sound more like a grumpy old man.
00:59:51
Yeah, I'm the one holding onto tradition and appreciating.
00:59:56
I'm the millennial.
00:59:57
I like cool quarterbacks.
00:59:58
I'm like the 24 year old.
01:00:00
Guess what? Patrick Mahomes, the greatest ever.
01:00:03
Cool, cool.
01:00:04
And throwing off your back foot doesn't get your extra points, that's all.
01:00:07
I'm gonna get the chicks, though.
01:00:09
Oh, yeah, yeah, sure.
01:00:12
Throwing out the black behind his back, Brady even one on that one.
01:00:17
He's very to the world's most looper bottle.
01:00:19
Even won that debate with that said, I wish we had another two hours to keep doing this, but unfortunately we don't know.
01:00:29
Mike does it.
01:00:30
Well, Mike, Mike, Mike, Just remember the lesson.
01:00:32
The lesson that I've learned all throughout today, folks, chicks dig the back foot.
01:00:36
There you go. That is that.
01:00:38
That's the lesson from today that should be the title of the video.
01:00:41
Rex Ryan will attest to that as well.
01:00:43
Because, you know, folks, I don't know how we can end any better than that.
01:00:47
Have a great day.
01:00:48
We'll talk to you all tomorrow.

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