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Uh, Sully, how you feeling, man? Doing great guys.
I just found out right before we got this broadcast going that the Flyers are gonna actually play their first game of the season after I had to go through the whole Thanksgiving holiday with no basketball, but not as not as fortunate with my Steelers.
I'm still waiting on news for them, So we'll put them aside because no one in New York cares about my Steelers so we'll keep it on basketball.
Actually, one of the guys we got in the chat, Kevin isn't He was Steelers fans.
So he's going to be looking, you know? Yeah.
Just be prepared for his excitement when we get back into the chat.
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Yeah, s o I want to ask you about job.
I'm sure you've seen him from the time he came in as a red shirt freshman.
Until he's but moved onto the MBA was drafted.
Talk to us about the progress that you've seen from him.
I mean, it's so funny because it all happened.
I mean, I'm sure you guys have heard this a million times, but it really did all happened so quickly.
Right? Um, when he came into the program, No one, really.
I mean, I don't pay attention to recruiting myself, but when guys signed on with the program, I typically and like, All right, who's this guy? Where is he from? Why we get him, You know, what can he bring to us? Long term.
And, um, and Obey was one of those guys just kind of got stashed on the roster.
It was like he's gonna go through a red shirt year, I believe.
When he got to school he had to clear some things academically.
So he needed the redshirt year.
Anyways, like, I think that even if he was ready to play, I don't think he was eligible academically.
Um, so with that in mind, um, you know, we didn't really hear much from that that fresh redshirt freshman year, because, you know, all you really get is the rumors out of practice.
And Dayton is one of the like, quintessential programs where there's always the practice hype guy.
And what I mean by that is there's only a few people to get access to practice every year and a few little bit around the program for, like 40 50 years.
Eso There's always one guy where they're like, Oh, this dude has been killing it in practice and everyone's like all right, so I'm like, we'll see when he gets to the court.
And Obi was that guy freshman year, it was like, Oh, this guy is killing in practice.
He's working hard.
He's out working.
The guys that were in the lineup and in dating that kind of sounds like old man talk, right? You're like, all right? Yeah, like I've heard this story.
The last 20 seasons.
Okay, but Obey actually was that guy, you know, when he started to get time, his his redshirt freshman year when he started being on the roster.
Um, the ascension was so fast, right? And you e think when we watched basketball, right you as fans were always supercritical like, Oh, his footwork.
He's got to do this, that he's gotta face the basket a lot quicker in the post, like all those little things that we like to dissect.
Oh, be just started to do all of those things throughout the course of his first year and that its second year was when he really, like, got exceptional at all of those things.
And honestly, the one thing that I could tell Knicks fans maybe have not watched him at all is that he makes all of those fundamental things look very easy.
Like he it makes passing out of the bloc look very easy.
He makes turning around on with a man on his back and getting two points look very easy.
And I remember when the season started and we blew through Maui and, you know, had that really good showing against Kansas.
I remember, a lot of people were asking us How would you describe Obi Topping? And the first thing I said was easy buckets like that was his whole sop****re year was just easy bucket after easy bucket.
So I mean, I guess that's what Knicks fans want to hear.
Right that easy buckets.
Yeah, but defense is well, right.
That's one of the things that I think a lot of Knick fans a little bit worried about is, you know, he doesn't have, ah, huge reputation coming out of dating as a defendant.
And will his will he be able to defend in the NBA for sure.
And I was on next film school last week, and obviously, that's kind of the question that I get from everybody, um, you know, is around the defense.
And what I told him was same thing I'll tell you guys was that I didn't really notice it as such, um, such a hindrance of his game until I started doing these interviews with Knicks fans.
Um, but the other thing that keeps laughing about this must just be like an MBA thing, because I'm in college circles and not so much the professional game is everybody seems so concerned with his hips.
I never heard so many grown men talk about another grown man's hips as much as I have heard this in the last three weeks, like, what is it with all these Knicks fans and his hips like Sun? It'll be fine, like, I guarantee you his hips.
So figure it out.
Let's put this way.
That's not gonna be the reason why he doesn't play good defense in New York.
Um, but I mean, let's put it this way, fellas.
I just went five minutes telling you about how his game is progressed, how all these little offensive things came together, how he just kept getting more intense, started working harder.
So to assume that that wouldn't happen on the defensive end of the floor really doesn't have any factual backing.
It's it's kind of it's kind of really naive to presume it would never get any better, right? So if if I'm going to sit here and tell you guys Hey, he's gotten so much better each month each week, each game that I've seen him, it stands to reason that the defense is gonna come along.
I'll probably just take time.
But I mean, the other thing is you have the defensive coach in the league.
I mean, that's what Tibbs is known for.
So I just think with all those factors, it's it's hard to be pessimistic about the outlook of O B, at least you know, with the system they have in place right now, man.
Now, let me ask you how many seniors we're on the team last year.
So they had to role players who were seniors.
Mike, sell Landers.
And then Obie was, you know, redshirt sop****re.
Um, but I will say this on top of that.
So b went to school and red shirted.
And that was after he had a preppy er after he got out of high school.
Then he had two years in college.
So, technically, he should have been a senior in college last year because he's 22 years old.
So, yeah, they had to other seniors on the roster.
And those guys have been with the program for a long time.
So I like to say that they started to drink, but I'm good friends with one of them.
Ryan Mike Celis on my podcast this coming week.
It will be the first to tell you that going into the season, what made them so successful was it all the roles were established, like, you know, when you have, like, a flag football team and you're like all right, so I'm like, You're £350 like you cannot be going out running around like your alignment.
There's always that big boy.
It's like, No, I mean like I can catch passes.
It's like, not sound like you have your role and I have my role, etcetera, etcetera.
And that's what it was.
A dating last year was like obeys our star.
And then where the role players, we got the two guards up top.
One guy's a defensive specialist and and that was why the drink state stirred all year was everybody knew their roles.
Yeah, and the reason why I ask you that question is because we hear a lot about his age, right? He's 22 years old and he's a sop****re and you know, people like, Oh, you know, he's playing with 18 19 year old kids I'm like, but he's not the only person in college that's 22 playing basketball, right? So that's the reason why I asked you how many guys on the team with seniors.
Uh, you know, I think that people make too much of him being 22 playing in playing in college, playing with so called kids.
Uh, now I do understand what people say.
Well, you know, he's a little bit older.
Maybe he's already reached this ceiling, but from everything that I've heard, including you, not reach the ceiling.
But it's closer to a ceiling.
But everything that I've heard from people, including you Hey, has a ways to go.
He's a hard worker and, you know he'll continue to pick up and develop and it and grow as a basketball player.
But do you take anything from him being 22 years old and playing with younger players? Yeah.
So I did this whole thing two weeks ago on our show.
We did why? It's gonna work in New York and why it's not gonna work in New York.
And you guys brought up a great point.
I like to call this the uber driver example. Okay.
Depending on where you are in your life.
Being an uber driver can either be a positive to your story or a negative.
Let me let me tell you what I mean.
If you are like a millionaire and you just came into new money, people will often go back to your story and go.
This guy used to be an uber driver.
Like how inspiring that he is a millionaire.
Now, on the flip side, let's say someone puts out this outlandish claim that then gets debunked.
If no one knows who you are, they'd be like This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
He's an effing uber driver.
Okay, so depending on where you are in your life, it's looked at as a positive or a negative.
You just did it with obese age, right? Because he's 22 hit in the draft.
You're like, I think this is going to be a negative.
But e mean look at the league right now.
Look where the young stars are.
Like Devin Booker is the hottest star young star in the game right now.
When did he get drafted? When he was 8, 19 years old, right? So I think that fans used this argument when it conveniently fits their narrative and they don't look at the whole scope of things.
And that's why I call it the uber driver example.
It's like depending on what the situation is.
You can spin it as a positive or negative, and I don't I don't really see that.
I mean, why would it be a deterrent that he played against the best college talent out there? I mean, we played in the A 10, Okay, so we're not the Big 10.
But I just don't see like, why that would be a negative when they're so like I would question guys coming out of Europe and who they played against before I would question the guys that play here in the States.
I mean, the States is the best place for 18 to 22 year olds of play ball.
Regardless of how you feel on the going overseas issue, this is still the best place to play ball.
So I just don't even really know where you would go with that Teoh invalidate him, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
And you know, I guess you know what Knicks fans Knicks fans could be all over the place.
If you If you don't know that by now, you know you're learning, right? You're learning.
Knicks can fans could be all over the place.
But you know, we are a bunch of dedicated fans we love.
The Knicks were all over the place, but we all have one goal.
You know, we all have one goal, and that's to hopefully find a way for the next toe win.
And we hope that Toby could be that guy.
Or at least one of the guys that helps the Knicks to finally, you know, transcendent, become a winner.
Um, probably not this season, but at some point, where do you see Oh be fitting and is he gonna be straight up before? Do you think eventually he could play some three? The reason why I asked that question is because you know, way have Julius Randle on the team, and there's already arguments with Knicks fans.
That's all becoming to start over Julius Randle.
There's a lot of Knicks fans that are upset that Julius Randle hasn't been traded and he's going to start the season with the Knicks and we'll see what happens from there.
Maybe he's moved by the trade deadline in the N B A, though, do you think or has he played any three at dating? Do you remember? No, no, no.
He never had Thio.
Do you think he could place him three in the NBA? Yeah, I dio you know, I guess it really just comes down to the defensive side, right? Like if Tibbs can figure out how to get Obie and kind of hide him on the defensive end, I know that's, like a lot harder to do in the n b A game.
Like we talk more about that in college because it's like you could go into zone and you can kind of hide your worst defensive guy.
Where is the MBA? Like you can't really do that.
Um, but I definitely have faith in tips to figure that out to say Okay, Um, like what I'm saying more is like around the matchup, right? Like I think Tibbs will look at it night tonight and say, I think we could move Obi into a three spots tonight because he can handle this defensive assignment.
I'm tough with examples right now.
We haven't had n B A and like, two months.
A lot of these guys like I got, I got to get back into the mode.
Um but no, I mean, it kind of goes back, but we're talking about earlier, like just with the way his game has progressed.
It just leads me to believe he's going to keep being like that on guy.
Just have faith that that tips will kind of figure that out for him because, yes, he didn't have to guard those types of guys in college.
But really, nobody does.
I mean, think about how Maney big men come into the draft that, like we're on Lee, big men in college.
It's the same thing with the NFL.
It's like sometimes when you're aligning like you're asked to do different schemes and things like that when you get drafted.
I mean, I think it's just all a part of the process, and I think another thing with the Knicks have going for him is that they're building like they're not afraid to lose.
They don't have to put o b in week one night one and be like we need contributions now.
If not, your ass is back on the bench like I'm not really breaking news by saying you guys, we're probably gonna win.
Like what? 20 to 30 games? Maybe 35 games.
If we win 35 games, we'll be doing pretty good.
Remember, the N B A is only 72 games.
So 72 games, they weigh 75 games.
E what about 500? Every single Nick fan will be happy with that.
Okay, I apologize.
I forgot that they made that announcement.
You could tell how, like, deep in the college basketball circles I've gotten, but yeah.
I mean, you know, I think that helps you guys just from a game planning perspective.
Because you when you're not afraid to lose, you're willing to do things a little bit more unconventional.
Yeah, And last thing before, I'm gonna switch over to the group and see if the these guys have any questions.
I'm pretty sure Kevin's gonna want to jump in and say something about the Steelers.
You know, when it was off course, Um, but just talk to me about his character, because so far, what we've heard on what we've seen.
He's a high character guy.
Um same way I dating Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Um, I'll start this with a quick story.
You guys could probably tell them about stories now, but one of our radio announcer who's been with the program for about 35 years, he predates me.
Even being born hey was in practice about two years ago.
B was a red shirt that was red shirt season and the guys were running sprints.
I think, like the guys like, Oh, B and a couple of guys that weren't playing got some extra ones because the game was the next day, O.
B was out hustling all the dudes on floor, and one of the dudes that he was outhustling was told to pick it up.
He's like something like, You're on the roster.
Obi is just a red shirt guy, and you're getting smoked in sprints.
And this dude just walked off the floor and was just like, I'm done with this like, you're not going to yell at me on our radio announcer, who is one of the older guys that likes.
He holds punches like he's not very like brutally honest like I am.
He's like, yeah, That was the day I knew this kid was a real turd.
And it was one of my favorite stories ever because, like Obi just outhustled this kid, and then he ended up transferring, like, three months later, like he quite literally outworked him out of the program. Wow.
Which was great for us, right? Because I'm like, Good.
Get those guys out.
I don't want them in our practice facility.
Um, but I started that story just to say, Like, from the floor to off the court, that effort kind of translates into, like, how personable is and how much he wants people to like him.
Um, I told next film school that I have not heard I'm a deep in the program is anybody.
I can promise you that I have not heard a single story from fan administrator coach.
Otherwise, that was negative about their interaction with O.
Um, you know, he's the type of dude that you know.
He'll take pictures with your babies, You know, he'll go out of his way to do something nice for you, Like you know, if if you're in his peripherals right there and and so I think that you know, on the court, it's so easy to get wrapped up in who What's the guy we're getting? Who is he gonna? How is he going to contribute to the roster? Rather.
But what you could be most encouraged about as Knicks fans is that you've got a high character guy.
The money is not gonna change him, and he's going to give you effort despite the money that's coming into his bank account.
And I'll tell you what that is unlike some other guys that went in the top five, and the one that I'm gonna reference specifically is Anthony Edwards.
The minute that guy got drafted, I was like, He's never gonna pan out.
And it's not because of his ability.
It's because when you see seven figures in your bank account, that lowers your motivation a great deal.
And I think that's the one thing you will never worry about with O.
I think he's going to keep working Harkes and he wants to be the best.
He doesn't want to just be an MBA player, you know? Yeah.
Yeah, that's Zo.
That is great for Knicks fans.
Um, we love to hear that about him, is he? Does he have those leadership qualities that you need in a player, Right.
Do you think you know he could come in and be? I mean, it sounds like his character is, uh he has great character now, and normally, when you have those kind of guys on your team, it becomes infectious, right? Um, can you? But can you see him taking on that leadership role being that leader? Yeah.
I mean, I think he was this year by example, like they had to other seniors on the roster.
And those guys were leaders for the program, and they've been around for four and five years.
Um, but, Toby, I'm sure you guys all watched like the last dance do***entary, you know, And Michael Jordan's best quote on that was, you know, you could say anything you want about, like, the way I talked to teammates and just like the way that I encourage people.
But there's one thing that people will tell you is I didn't make anybody do anything that I didn't ****ing do myself.
You know, that was Michael Jordan's thing.
And and I think that o b kind of He's more of that type of leader than like the clubhouse guy, the raw, raw guy, like he's a dude that's gonna ask you to do stuff that he's already doing.
Um, and you know, this past year, what everybody said about our team was that they really enjoyed being around each other like they were all friends.
And I think that's what made the team goes faras I did.
That's why they were so successful, Andi, And that's you know, such a such a thing in the N b A right now is like getting team chemistry.
I mean, you guys can look on the other side of town like we all know how Brooklyn's chemistries or might not work out this coming year.
You know, they got they got a lot of character on that team one way or the other.
You know, I'm saying, like, I just don't think that that's something that you're gonna have to worry about, Um, with O.
Because I think he's more of a galvanizing force in a dude that wants attention just for the sake of being a leader.
You know, that's what's up.
That's exactly what we need from a man.
Hey, I'm gonna come back over into the large chat, and I'm sure guys maybe have, ah, a couple of questions here.
There, you know? Then you know, you're welcome to stay or leave.
You know, however you feel you need so I know you're busy, guy, you know, got a lot of things going on.
So, um, I'm gonna jump on over and let Kev get his little, you know, get his little, uh, whatever in with Steelers stuff in. Right.
And then, Well, you know.
So, Kev, I know you want to get it in, so go ahead, knock it out.
The box for me, then.
First off, I want to say thank you so much for joining.
Um, it's great to hear this stuff about about Oh, because we need some character people.
And second thing is, I would hate for us to go all the way undefeated and they lose in the Super Bowl if we get there.
So I think my heart, my heart, my heart can't take it.
Let's focus on one thing at a time. Absolutely.
I'm just looking getting this Ravens game in, and then way could talk about we're getting through the playoffs, You know what I mean? Absolutely.
I'll hit you up on foot on that.
But one thing I wanna ask you, um, you always hear the cliche of how the college game is totally different than the program and how a guy could be great in college and it might not materialize in the MBA.
Do you? Do you think that is just a cliche? And do you think Obi Will will exceed in the will be successful in in the next level? Hell, no, I don't think it's a cliche.
It's not a cliche I follow.
College basketball is closely as most like, the only people they're following more than I do or like beat writers and guys that are in the national media, right? Every single year in the top 10 of the draft, there is at least four guys I have never heard of in my life and the first one that came to mind this year I'm gonna look down the draft order.
I've forgotten his name already because I know Patrick Williams with Florida State.
I had no clue who that guy waas and it was like a nine point score for Florida State.
And every year I feel like I do this when I look at the draft and I'm like, How is that guy drafted Top 10? The first one I ever remember was the Anthony Bennett pick for the Cavs.
I remember I was like UNLV.
Like what? Why did this guy get drafted? You know, and I mean, that obviously ended up being like one of the biggest busts of the last 10 years, if not of all time.
But, no, I don't think it's a cliche.
But I will say, I think that a lot of those guys do get sifted out before the draft even happens.
Like like I do trust MBA scouts to kind of say, Here's the body type that's gonna work Here's what's not because they have to be honest about it.
They have to be forthcoming.
And a great example right now is Luka Garza at Iowa.
I mean, he is quite literally the best college player out there right now.
He just scored like 40 points the other night against some scrub team.
I don't even think he'll get drafted next year just because he's slow you know, and And that kind of that kind of slowness on defense.
Like I said, you can hide that in the college game like, Oh, just get down the block.
My dad used to say, Just clog it up down there.
You know, you can still get away with that in college, but in the end, ba like, if they see somebody like Luca guards that come in the game, you're getting spaced out.
You're going to the three point line, and everybody is gonna just be blowing right past you.
I mean, no, I was just saying to finish up.
Like I don't think it's a cliche.
I just think it's a different skill set because the game is a little bit different.
Okay? And one more thing you mentioned earlier about how international players What did you say about international players compared to the USA players? Well, I was just saying how, like the United States is still the best, most competitive place to play.
If you're between 18 and 22 it's just a fact.
Here we go. Here. We owe anybody else.
Want to jump in? Got a question or two.
Yeah, I go, um, about the show. Be shooting.
I could see that he is a proper stretch for Do you think his shooting will definitely translate over to the MBA? Yeah, I would say, like if you had to nail down one thing that has been such obvious improvement in his game and stuff that he's worked on specifically, it's shooting.
Um, he really didn't shoot his first year.
Like it just wasn't his role, and they didn't ask him to do it.
And then in year two, you could see that, like, his confidence just was through the roof because he had worked on in the off season.
And I don't have the stats up in front of me. I know.
He shot 39% from three point.
Your prior are sorry this past season.
I'm gonna try and pull the stat up, but my point is just that that was one thing where, going into the season, I was like, Just keep him on the block.
Just keep getting easy buckets.
And by like, game three, you're like, Oh, Obi is gonna put up, like, three or four long balls the night you know, um and you know, when guys work on their game, that kind of stuff shows through.
His first year he was 11 for 21 his freshman year.
Okay, he's got 21.
3 is the entire year.
This past season, he was 32 for 82.
So he went from He went from 11 to 82.
Hey, worked on it.
And and, you know, when I watched when I watched him play Well, you know, when I watched highlights, let me say that when I watched highlights, I watched a couple of full games and he shot it from MBA range. Easy.
You know, and and he knocked it down from MBA range.
So I think the only difference joke, in my opinion, would be the quickness in which players might close out on them.
And, you know, will it impact? You know, if he launches it a little bit earlier or, you know, whatever you know, it could be the case.
I think that will be the biggest difference that he'll have to make adjustments to with a shot.
Yeah, has to get it off quicker because you're not gonna have is much open space in the MBA, right? Yeah, right.
Yeah, I agree. I agree.
So, um, what was your thoughts watching him after his first full season? Um, did you come out? Did you think he has potential toe be as good as the following year? No, no.
Simply put, like, I really didn't.
You know, I thought he was gonna be a good player on guy.
Thought he could even be a great player.
But after his first year, if you would have told me that he was gonna come out and go to the draft number one and he was gonna get picked in the top 10, I've been like, No way. You're crazy, dude.
Like, he's good.
Ain't that good? You know, um, it was really like that much of a step upwards in his second season.
But he did an interview recently with e think it might have been on the athletic or something.
Where he said after his first season that Anthony Grant told him.
Our coach said you're not ready for the N B A.
But one day you're gonna be on DSO Grant actually said Go test the draft waters and then come back.
And then Obie said that after a sop****re year, uh, Anthony Grant held him into the office, and he said, You're ready now like you're ready to go.
So that should tell you everything you need to know.
Like, put my opinion aside, No one knows hoops like Anthony Grant.
You know he could coach in N B A team tomorrow.
I really do believe that.
And if he's saying you know from one year to the next that he's made that big of a leap to get to the league, then you know that that's all I need to hear.
Because I know the man knows his hoops, right? Appreciate it.
What do you think it's? Ceiling is on his floor? Yeah, that's that's a good question.
Do you think he near his peak? Or do you think at the end, because of her Kendrick Parkins was talking about? It was like, You don't reach your prime toe like 26.
27 do you? Do you think he got that next step that he can average 22 8 Or like, all star numbers? Yeah, I don't agree with much that Kendrick Perkins says.
I do sometimes e.
I mean, you know, what did we just talked about over the last, like, 30 minutes? Like what? A Herculean jump he's taken in the two years that he's been playing basketball, so to assume that he is at his peak again, like you could.
But it kind of just be baseless speculation.
Um, you know, I'd like to go on kind of trends and and to me, it seems like just with the growth he showed in the work ethic he show, those are the two things you need to be great.
You know, you get put behind a coach and a system in the N b A.
That that allows you to succeed, and that's the last piece that you really need.
So what's this floor? I don't know, man.
It's pretty easy to get 10 points in the N B A.
If you're even playing like what, 15 minutes a night? So I would say even for his rookie year, the floor is probably like 10 points. Tonight.
We'll see about the rebounding, but I can.
I can at least guarantee that he'll probably give you 68 shots tonight and go for a least 10 and then the ceiling man, it's It's hard.
It's hard to say, Um, because we've never had a player come out of date.
And, you know, there's no pedigree to say.
Here's what guys in Dayton you know and have done in the league or whatever.
Um, without being a Homer, I like to think that the Ceilings probably a little bit above league average.
Like I don't think he's ever gonna be a superstar in the league.
But I don't think anyone's ever gonna ask him to be.
I think he will be a perfect piece in any team that has a superstar.
He'd be a great Robin to the Batman, You know, um, or a great third piece like Draymond was, you know, when the warriors were rattling off wins, I think that that is truly where the ceiling could be for him if you put him on a championship roster.
Um, we, you know, we we hear so many great things about, you know, we have everything you know, his work ethic, its character.
And we know that he's got all this athletic ability.
How do you end up dropping in the draft? I have.
You know, I have my my, my, my theory that Leon Rolls threatened every other sure general manager in the league and said, Hey, you know what's gonna happen if he doesn't get to the Knicks? But why do you think? Okay, let's see cracking up over there.
Why do you think he dropped to eight? Um, and I think it comes down to fit more than anything.
Um, and I spent a little bit of time going through rosters just because I had a lot of draft conversations I don't normally have.
So I was trying to figure out, like, where does he best fit? I thought that he actually of all the teams in the top 10, I thought he best fit in Minnesota.
Um, but I also was not naive enough to believe Minnesota was going to gamble on the number one pick with him.
Right, Because he was he was a consensus top 10.
But I think the overwhelming sentiment in circles in the N.
Was that if you took him at number one, you were reaching because there was probably a better player to take Now, looking at at the Timberwolves draft like again, I would have ran away from Anthony Edwards, kicking and screaming once I learned about how motivated he is to play basketball like and he was like, Oh, yeah, like I'd rather play football.
But like my heart's in basketball and I'm like, Oh, no, it's not like you don't just say something like that and then go, Yeah, my heart's and basketball like, No, it's not, You know, your hearts into making money and, frankly, a lot of these guys that get to the league, you know, they just they get to the lead because someone told them they were really good at basketball growing up, and then they just kept doing it.
Andre Drummond like that.
Andre Drummond doesn't even like being a basketball player, but he's 7 ft tall, and someone told him he was good at him.
He's in high school, and now look at him.
He's made what, $100 million in the NBA, Some ridiculous.
It's like, Why would you walk away from the game? Right? Um, but yeah, I think that he dropped because off the fit and then you.
You look down like once you're Wiseman to the Warriors.
I think was was always done.
I think he was always going to go to the Warriors once those chips fell.
And then I think the Hornets and the Bulls took a look at their rosters and said the horn into three.
It's hard to pass up on ball because at least he's going to give you the fanfare right out of the gate.
Even if he doesn't pan out as a GM, you can look back and say, Hey, well, we took the best guy, you know and you guys know how it is.
It's on the draft like all GM Zehr doing is just like saving face for their jobs.
Or like you want to be able to look back at the draft and say, Hey, this guy didn't pan out but he was the best guy to take it that particular time right? When you go when you reach and you miss, it's a lot worse than taking the best guy on the board at that time and I think the Knicks is a little bit of both right, like I think he was a good fit for the Knicks, and he was the best guy on the board.
And he gives you the fanfare, highlight reels right from day one.
So, you know, I think he dropped because of the fits we're talking about.
But I think, you know, the Knicks got a really good steal it.
Because once once the Bulls didn't pick him up at four, I was pretty certain the Cavs, Pistons and Hawks weren't going to pick him up.
And I was thinking myself, I'm like, man next got steel.
Yeah, the thing about it, Dan is a lot of Knick fans wanted that ideal point guard in this draft.
And because we picked I mean, they wanted Halliburton.
They wanted, um, killing Hayes, even though he got paper where they wanted Lemelle.
Oh, I'm not gonna lie.
I was one of those, you know, people at first.
But when I saw what I drafted, um, position was I knew that, you know, we weren't We weren't going to get him.
They were looking at Carl Lewis.
They were looking at Maxi.
They were looking at all these, um, these point guards and I think when they picked top, um you had one group, one half of the fans that were totally for it.
And then you had another group that was like, Oh, you know, we screwed up.
We're always doing this.
And I got to say I've told Sim on this show plenty of times.
I am so pleased with this regime of them picking their person that they wanted and not going.
Really, Um, pretty much of what the fans really want.
They wanted to see what was right at the time and picking up.
In my opinion, Oh, we topping is the right one for us at the time.
I used the word cornerstone a lot.
I see him being a cornerstone for a team between him, Mitchell and, um, and RJ Cornerstone.
Kev, that's cornerstone, right? That Z uh, but yeah, that's what I see.
And no, this requires Ah, burn back.
You know, Kevin, I don't know if the chat that didn't see it.
I don't know dance that.
I saw it When when you said that you're a Steelers fan, kept just run off the screen.
Put on that Steelers, you know? Hey, come on.
Hey, Dan, They just hating on us.
They say it's the first thing right now, though.
I mean, that's what I'm talking about.
First place guys, baby.
It's just going back to, you know, to basketball and toe.
Obi, you were saying that you you see, like so many guys obsessed with all these hips, right? It's funny because me and Sam saw Emmanuel quickly the other rookie the next draft and posted a video with Kenny Pain, the assistant coach from Kentucky, working with working with Bobby.
And, you know, 11 picture is basically useless because there was wasn't nothing interesting there.
But on the other picture, we noticed, you know, like the positioning off Obi going under the basket.
And sin was like, Oh, he has, you know, this kind of this kind of position.
And I pointed out that he has, like, feet too close to, you know, toe Thank you.
So he's gonna lose balance and stuff like that.
So we were on the show with him, like every week now.
Coach's corner on SportsCastr.
If our next episodes might be on all the even So we're gonna point out how tips might use OBE in this.
You know, his offense and we'll point out crazies detailed stuff like that, like that.
Hit those hips, positioning those feet, positioning elbow, wrist, whatever it takes grow.
We see it also for sure.
I think I think like when I first heard it, I thought I was like, Okay, yeah, that's a very specific observation, but like, I could see it and then because I heard it so much, I was like, I think I know what this is.
I think this is average Joe fan trying to sound like way too smart.
But then, like, But like you said, like when? When you guys get into things like that and you get into the minute details, um, you know, those things do matter.
And frankly, just just like you mentioned, the coaches see that kind of stuff to, um just for my sake of being on the radio and trying to be entertaining.
I don't typically get into the weeds that much.
Um, but, hey, you know, I have been learning that Knicks fans want to talk about their guy, and it's a perfect time for it right, because we don't.
MBA is not starting up for at least another month.
Right? So it is a perfect time to talk about that. My new crap.
So I got 22 last questions and I'll let you get out of here, and they're quick questions.
What do you know about Emmanuel? Quickly? Um, not a whole lot.
So I, as they were going through, like, the second round of the draft, I was like Like, Who's this guy like, Where did he play? Um, so, yeah, I'll be sure that answer.
I don't know much.
I haven't seen much of him at all.
To be honest with you on, you know, Knicks fans.
Last year's draft pick, Kevin Knox? Yep.
What about him? Well, you know, not last year's draft pick a year before last year.
R J R J last year, but the year before Kevin knocks, You know, we know where we stand with R.
J, but you know, people are up in the air with Kevin knocks.
What do you think about Kevin Knox? Yeah.
You know, he was one of those guys when he got I was pulling up some numbers to kind of see where he was at on the n B a game.
But he was one of those guys in college where he played for Cow.
And, you know, every year with Kentucky, you're like, which, which guys, we're going to go out.
And I just, like, never saw that with him in the college game.
Um, and I guess, like, I don't know, Do I say I was right? I mean, the only averaged, like, 66 game last year, right? So I don't like I haven't seen him play for the Knicks all that much.
But I remember when he was coming out of school, I was kind of like, you know, of all the guys that Kentucky like, I just I don't see it.
You know, maybe I was missing something.
Um, so, yeah, that was kind of going back.
To think we always talk about is like, I'm not always the best person suited to say, like this game's gonna translate from one of the other, but in the same breath.
Like if I haven't heard of you in college or something like that, I raised question marks, but with these guys with Kentucky.
You know, they're always on national television.
You could least get a good look at them.
Um, and yeah, I would say that when the next draft him. I remember specifically.
I was like, Man, that guy just didn't feel he didn't feel like a big time, eh? NBA player to May when you said you didn't see much of them is like we haven't seen much of him either last year.
I think the Knicks with him and DS JD screwed up.
Kind of putting them, like, ruining their confidence.
When I'm playing them as much.
That's their numbers When, like, half because they're minutes went down. Yeah.
Yeah, his minutes.
His means were definitely cut in half.
Last year, he his first season in the league average 12.
I think it was 12.
8 points per game, about four or five rebounds.
And then last year he went down.
We'll see what he could do.
But, uh, Sully, we appreciate your time, man.
And all the information you could give us on Obi, I'm pretty sure you know Knicks fans.
I'm pretty sure some people senior our next film school, but those who haven't love the insight.
And when we get to the draft next year, we'd love to have you come back or even before then.
Just hell, yeah.
I'm waiting for for the price to come down the fanatics jersey so I could get one because they did, like, a special order thing.
And I was like, I'm gonna get on the second round because the season of them start yet.
So, yeah, my my next year's come in the mail.
I don't have an MBA team.
So this is what I think is what I got.
No, man, I live.
I live down the street in the United Center.
I quite literally, Once I get off this call, I'm gonna go for a run directly around the United Center.
And the day that the draft happened, I ran down there just to do this funny thing for a Twitter video.
And I was like, I'm wearing my dating gear outside the United Center and that was like, You're all dead to me, dead to me, like there's a bull saying, Jack, eso is like the hell with them.
I'm never going to go to a game.
I'm nixed all the way.
All right, well, you're inducted into the NBK family so you could join us any time.
Any time that we're on, you got the link.
You could just join in and coming and talks, um, Nick's hopes with us.
Guys, this was fun.
I I'll tell you, dude, I'll sign off with this.
That, uh I'm not the only dating fan out there that's looking forward to next game, so there's gonna be a lot of dating fans.
They're gonna be jumping on the board, the bandwagon.
That's trying to get trying to get those 35 wins. Yeah.
All right, fellas.
All right, fellas.
Well, I mean, listen, some some good things We heard about Obie, but the one thing he said is he doesn't you know, from what he's seen, But admittedly, you know, he's not MBA.
Guy doesn't know if he's gonna be a superstar, you know.
But hey, we'll see what happens.
We'll see where it goes from there.
You know, I always thought with O.
Because of I still focus on that footwork.
I'm just a big footwork person because of where I see him Now, at 22 years old and a sop****re, I always felt like where his talent he is going to come in high and then level off a little bit.
That's what I've always thought.
Maybe he has that work ethic where you know he changes, changes a lot of stuff.
Hey, since do you think do you think he has good footwork? Offensive leader? I feel like even offensively, he could be lighter on his feet.
Uh, and he was just talking about it.
We had the picture on Twitter.
One picture, one picture, one picture.
Yeah, one picture on Twitter where we saw can he pain working with him, right? And he had He was making sure that Obi kept his feet.
At least show the with length.
Right? Uh, shoulder length apart.
Because if you go back and you look at some of his video highlights when he dropped steps to the basket and then he pivots, he jumps, he powers up off of 2 ft, but his feet are really close together, right? Which means you have less of a base, you have left less of Ah, strengthen your base.
You know, I'm saying, let's balance. Right.
So now, as you're powering up your providing on your upper body strength to stop you from getting knocked off balance and this and that plus, you know, you can't really, you know, you're not able to throw that pump fake if you need to.
Or if you do throw a pump fake, you could easily get knocked off your feet because you're not really on balance, can he? Pain? From what we saw, what it looked like is that he was working on him with some of those balance issues, you know, coming off.
You know, coming off your feet with a wide base when you power up some of those type of things.
Uh, you know, that's gonna be important.
That since that's gonna be important with those and ones, right, he's gonna catch that rebound pump fake and then, you know, catch the foul and then try to, you know, put it on and violence really fast.
He's gonna gonna make that, you know, get to three free throws, right? But we want him to do the and one Hey, also needs to get into the gym and put muscle on his legs because he's very like chicken legs.
You know what, though? You know what, though? I mean, for some people, it may.
It just may not happen for him.
I don't know, because that's part of the reason why he could jump so high.
If you pay attention to guys who can really jump, they don't have wide calves right there.
Cars were very skinny, right? And that those are the guys that could jump.
That's part of the reason why he's able to be able to jump if he strengthens his legs too much.
His calves, at least, Yeah, he may lose some of that.
Some of that happened ability.
But the thing is, I want muscle on his legs because the injuries you see guys with small legs and stuff like if they land awkward with injuries, Yeah, you know, Well, I think what you would want to see is, you know, his thighs, right? You know, if it's thighs, you know, do they? And does he have a lot of muscle around the knees? You know, his calves make because listen, I used to be believe it or not, some people who's gonna look at me say, yeah, right.
I was able to catch a hoop, and okay, don't backwards.
However, which way you wanted me to do it.
I had very, very skinny legs, right? Really skinny legs.
Now, you know, I got calf muscles and I can't jump at all anymore.
I could still jump.
I could still grab the rim, but I can't dunk it.
I don't know it.
Kevin is over there cracking up.
What's so funny? Cab e.
Probably saying probably thinking about the Isaiah video when he was no pushing out that thinking about that, You know, Isaiah video in the cast.
You know, Isaiah has cast, like, while in his head so and jumping and we saw that s o over.
Just looks like Miss Landmine.
So real quick Before we get into talking some training camp in position battles and things like that, I like to introduce Paul Knepper.
Paul Paul just published a book, right? And you know about the nineties Knicks, the Knicks in the nineties, you know? So he's coming out to talk to us a little bit about that book.
Paul. How you doing, man? Alright.
So, man, how you doing? Thanks for having me on.
I'm doing doing pretty good.
Thank you for coming on.
We appreciate the time.
Talk to us a little bit about the book.
It just came out.
What? The 27th? I think, Yeah.
It's been, like six weeks now or something like that when it came out.
Oh, it's been six weeks, but somebody and I thought I don't know why I thought it was I thought the 27th, but so, yeah.
So what inspired you? I mean, listen, I guess I know what inspired you to write the book, but I don't wanna put words in your mouth.
But what inspired you to write the books? The Knicks in the nineties? Yeah, man, love.
I was inspired by love.
I love those teams.
I grew up on those teams, and, uh, you know, I know so many people who loved those teams so much love the way they play, the way they competed.
Uh, you know, and, you know, obviously the last 20 years or so have been so miserable that I think there's a great deal of nostalgia for those teams.
You know, people long nick fans, They're such great fans were so die hard way desperately long for those days when the Knicks were relevant and they were competing into, you know, into May and June every year.
And they were fun to watch.
They were a team we could be proud of because they came to play every night.
And I just I just kind of struck me one day.
You know, somebody should write a book about those teams.
And why not me? Yeah. There you go.
Why not exactly.
Do you think just looking at Look, we got Tom conflict on the team now.
Well, as the coach now, right? Can Tom Coughlin bring back those? Those at least didn't feel not.
Well, you know, I mean, obviously the players got to do it, But Coughlin, can he can he help to bring back that field of the nineties? You know that hard work, that defensive mentality.
How What do you think? I mean, he was there in the nineties.
Well, yeah, he was doing, and actually, exactly.
I mean, this was there in the nineties.
Hey, had Jeff Van Gundy told me Thibodeau had an expression about those 90 teams.
Nineties teams make it, make it out, played but never outworked.
And, uh and so I think that's a start, Right? To get back to that that mentality of yeah, defense, but just professionalism and leaving it out all out on the floor and competing on every every night.
And and that's especially with a young team like we have right now.
We need to set that tone.
And, um, except that example of Look, this is how you play in the N b.
A. This is how you win in the MBA.
I think e think, Tibbs, I think Tibbs could bring that back.
But they got to get him the players.
Yeah, and listen, guys, I know I made a mistake and said Tom Coughlin, that's okay.
I said, Tom Coughlin, I know it can't be that funny.
Can you have Funny? Can't be that funny, But, you know, I was thinking about the Giants.
The Giants are in first place to Kev.
What? We're still in first place.
Still in first place.
But did you do? Did you have to go back.
I mean, I'm pretty sure you know, you've been a Knicks fan for a while.
Did you have to go back and do tons of research now to write this book, O R.
You know how they go down? Yeah, I did do tons of research.
I'm in a lot of that.
Some of those things were crystal clear in my head.
You know, I remember it like it was yesterday.
Um, but ah, lot of it is, you know, some of the details air hazy.
You know, you're going back to the start of the book is, you know, about 30 years ago now.
So, um, some of those details are a little hazy and then, you know, through the research process, you you learn a lot of things that you that you never knew and you get a lot of new information about that stuff.
So, yeah, you know, I read thousands and thousands of articles and any any podcast I could get my hands on for that.
They've got those guys did, um, lots of books from that time period.
And then, uh, And then, of course, I interviewed close to 100 people for the book, so Yeah.
Yeah, a lot of research.
Anything in the books that we might find surprising? Um, you know, some things.
I think the kind of, uh, Xavier McDaniel thing.
How he ended up leaving.
I think a lot of people have a misperception about that.
And so, the story of how he left I found interesting.
Ah, lot of details about the Riley break up with the Knicks on how that came about.
Um, some stuff about starts in 94.
Uh, I got a great story about that.
The day of the 99 1994 Game seven NBA Finals.
When, of course, Stark shot two for 18.
Uh, Riley hung out that day with a good friend of his named Victory Tara.
They spent their day in Riley's hotel room at the Ritz Carlton Houston.
Um, just hanging out, and they're getting ready to head to the arena and waited for the elevator in the hotel.
And Riley turns to his buddy **** and he says, Well, buddy, I know three guys we're going to show up tonight.
Me, you and John, Meaning John Starks.
Rather was that confident and not short in Stark's that he was the one guy he was knew for.
Sure it was gonna show up that night.
And, of course, he shot two for 18.
So that story was I couldn't believe said that on.
Then There's some some good fights, you know, fights and practice and some good Oakley stories.
Of course, I got a lot of good oak stuff in there.
Yeah, I I can imagine, man.
See, that brings back that brings back some painful memories when you talk about jeez, even over Patrick.
Start. We're gonna show up, even over Patrick, even over Patrick.
We'll start with this guy.
I think that shows you to why, you know, part of why he kept him in there when he was shooting brick after brick.
He just he believed them that much.
Well, I'm definitely going to get the book.
Tell us what we could find the book, and then we're gonna go on.
We're gonna talk some training camp stuff, and you can, you know, welcome to stay on with us.
Um So where can we find eso? The book is called the Knicks of the nineties.
You and Oakley starts and the brawlers that almost want it all.
You can find it on Amazon.
Barnes and Noble really know.
Really? You know, any place that sells books? Um, yeah.
It's a great great holiday gift to for a Knick fan.
If you have a Knick fan, you'll definitely Alright, so let's get into I'm going to get into your welcome to stick around Paul and a show, so I'd love to stick around.
Yeah, Um, they said, Can I ask a simple question? Yeah, go ahead.
Your Mike is a little low, Kev, but e I understand why.
But Paul real quick with in your opinion, would you say that? Yeah.
Okay, if you might have you might have to maybe go out and come back in or something like that.
I want to say to trust I think it was trust in the chat.
You know, he said, Hey, Sim, not all white guys look a light.
You see that? You see, You see that and you see how they try to throw that out there.
Listen, man, I was talking about Tom.
I said Tom Coughlin because Tom Thibodeau reminds me of Tom Coughlin.
He's gonna bring the Knicks back.
He's going to bring the next back, But let's take a look at this training camp roster, and I and I want to know I want to hear from you guys.
Um, are you disappointed? Are you happy with it? All right.
Actually, before we even do that, though, let's talk a little bit about just what's gonna happen in training camp.
What training camp looks like on in preseason.
You guys could see the priest the preseason schedule floating around down at the bottom of the screen.
Um, but when we talk about the schedule, so right now, Right now, I think starting tomorrow and for the remainder of the week, guys can do, um, individual workouts.
And I think they can't have no more than What is it, Andy? Four guys, four guys working out at one time.
Yeah, plus media.
Plus, this is media Wikus.
Well, right, right.
Plus this media week, and then next week, they'll begin group workouts where they can work out, you know, with their teams s o, they get one week a group workouts.
And then on December 11th, they play their first games.
They begin preseason games.
Uh, I think they played preseason games for about 889 days, and then they move right into the regular season.
All right, so that's what it's gonna That's what it's gonna look like then.
There's a bunch of different rules, you know, for the regular season.
I think they're only gonna do half of the schedule.
They're only gonna give us half of the schedule, and then at a certain point, they'll give us the other half of the schedule.
A very, very unorthodox season.
This is, It's, um, it's gonna be It's gonna be weird a little bit weird, right? We're kind of a season, but I'm just glad to have basketball back.
Even if it's weird.
I just wanna have basketball back, right? But that's what training camp is gonna look like for this season.
All right, let's Zika look at our training camp roster for this year, and then I want to know what you guys think about the roster, all right? Of course, you know, we have our guys that are coming back, you know, you got R.
J. Barrett coming back.
And there's a lot of question about the guy that we're gonna bring up next and we'll start having some you know, we'll talk about him.
We're we're gonna circle back around tow R. J. Barrett.
But I wanna talk about acknowledged.
Browse Deacon's first right? Because he's on the roster.
We got we got r.
J, Barrett acknowledged.
Bus Deakins, Reggie Bullock, Alec Berks, Jacob Evans.
You got Jared Harper, who is on a two way contract.
How you got Michael Kidd.
Gilchrist, who just picked up by the Knicks and Kevin got mad and blasted me because I posted a picture with his funny looking shot.
And Kevin again, again.
He's the cornerstone of our defense.
So you know, you know.
So he just blasted me with that.
He's the cornerstone of the defense.
All right, you got Kevin knocks on the team.
Uh, you got Nerlens Noel.
New signing New Orleans? No.
Well, Frank Nil. Akina.
Alfred, Peyton, with a lot of people are going crazy about Theo Pinson.
You've got Miles Powell.
We don't have a picture up there.
Got Emmanuel quickly.
Julius Randle, another guy.
Everybody is going crazy about Austin Rivers, Mitchell Robinson, Dennis Smith Jr.
Omari Spellman and new draft pick.
And hopefully the new star, the Knicks.
That's our training camp roster.
And the Knicks are gonna have Thio get this down to about 15 players right there at 20 players right now.
Um, we know two of the guys are gonna be on the They're gonna be on two way contracts.
Now, if the MBA does decide that hey will allow you toe keep 17 players and they don't have to get rid of it.
They have to get rid of one guy if that happens.
Right to players around training camp to players.
Who is that? Jared Harper and Theo Pinson are your two way contracts.
They signed Michael Kidd Gilchrist toe in exhibit 10 contract.
Then you got your changing camp invites, You know, in Miles Powell.
Uh, Powell is also exhibit.
He's exhibit Tena's.
Well, okay, he's exhibiting is well, so the Knicks are gonna have to cut depending on what the MBA decides, and this will have to cut at least one guy.
They may have to cut three guys do the right.
Um, yeah, yeah, you could keep thinking that.
It's not gonna keep thinking a, um, but let's talk about Iggy and where he fits in with this team.
Anyone want to start to start? Where does Gigi fitted with these guys? Man, I think it's all about So everyone's fighting for their job.
Including our joy.
No. R j is gonna win this job.
Mitch might win this job.
Well, the thing went, Mitch, Mitch, is Noel.
Noel is going to be fighting for the job.
Gigi, I don't know where he fits.
I think if he like, he can fight the job like that.
I could shoot. He can play.
But it just all depends how camp goes.
Because I think just everyone is gonna be on a clean slate and everyone's gonna be fighting for their job.
It is. Isn't gonna harmed anybody.
Anybody a job unless they are in it, right? Definitely.
I mean, yeah, he's not gonna hand anyone anybody a job.
I think the only way to earn it is through defense right now.
Especially like him, who hasn't really had an opportunity to even showcase anything for him.
For him to get special surface on the court.
He's gonna have to show some some defense and practice and training camp, and that that will allow him to at least get the opportunity.
Yeah, Yeah, because, you know, uh, I guess the they're not playing the Geely, right? Exactly.
That's that's what I was gonna, you know, run thio the problems for the guys this year for the young guys, the draft picks and the guys that might be left off that, you know, last season on or before last season, they could just, you know, get bumped to the Julie right this year.
You know, guys like Miles Powell or, you know, Jared Harper.
Ethiopians in Jacob Evans.
Ignace brushed a kiss, right? They probably would land each another.
You one of them, right? With land in the league this year, they're not gonna be able to go to the G because there's no games there.
I don't know if the team is gonna be able to practice, so, you know, if they get cut, they're gonna be staying home or, you know, they gotta look for a job like on another team, Probably Europe or whatever, Right? Right.
So that's that's the biggest problem for those guys.
My thing is, if these guys, if management bought all these players you're looking at miles Power, you're looking at thes other people.
If they brought him on here, they there's gotta be a way Thio for them to be on the team to make the roster.
I'm guessing that N B is gonna allow more than 15 players.
I'm guessing they're gonna like, like, 17 or whatever.
So you know the situation they're gonna they're gonna even maybe go up to 20 depending on if teams get, you know, like, you know, an affection, whatever, and the organization I'm guessing they're gonna be able to get bumps, like, you know, uh, like a spot or two.
But if they if they do 17 that that just means that you're bringing up your the two way guys, if they allow you have 17, then your two way guys got to get those spots because they they have a contract.
Ah, legit contract.
Yeah, but yeah, but but the two way was the two way is useless when you have no Julie, right? That was the that was the basic idea of the contract that you know, you can jump between the league and then the A team, right? You have no jelly.
So that basically is like a normal contract.
What was allows those triggers situation? We just invited him.
Was that Was that what it waas drafted? He was signed as a free agent.
He was like, my power.
Hey, was he wasn't drafted.
He wasn't drafted. Yeah.
Was drafted. Hey was undrafted.
He was drafted, and then he was right.
Signed as a free agent.
And then he just, you know, they waved whoever and and signed them toe a contract.
Yeah, they waived, uh, Baker.
They were wading.
Now, when you look at when you look at this year because the two way guys can play, however many games I don't know what they what they'll decide on this year, but they can play however many games with the team, you know? So you know, the thing is, those guys probably won't get any playing time.
Right? But let's say that they do expand.
They expanded teams to your roster spots to 17.
The two way guys get those two roster spots.
You still got Powell.
You still got Michael Kidd. Gilchrist.
Right, You still got? But it is already on the team, right? Yeah, he's already on the team.
You still got Omari Spellman and the other guy, right? What? You got to make a decision about those guys? You know what I'm saying? You know Evans, Jacob Evans, Jacob Evans? Exactly.
You got to make a decision about Jacob Evans.
So that's where that's where you know there's gonna be some tough battles down below that the last 15.
Uh, Gigi, I mean, when you look at some of the guys out of there, it could be in trouble.
Because although he's young, Omari Spellman is young.
Jacob Evans is also young, right? And these guys are coming from programs, you know, they spent they spent time with the Golden State Warriors.
You know, something a little bit more organized, a little bit more stable, you know, maybe they have some things that they could bring to the team that someone like Gigi doesn't bring to the team.
I don't know, but I'm a little afraid for Iggy.
That's what that's what upset goes down.
And and and Miller and that whole crew that they didn't even the management not bringing him up from the from the G league.
I think he should have been playing.
I'm not saying starting, of course, but he should have been playing on the, you know, on the roster instead of being down there in the in the G League.
That that's my opinion.
But what if he wasn't good enough? Well, if he wasn't good enough than it would have been easier to, you know, for him to be part of a trade package or something like that, you know, he should have.
We don't know what he We know what he could do in the G League, but we don't know what he could have done.
You know, I'll call the varsity.
We didn't know what you could do in a varsity.
E think my only thing is you see him in practice.
You know what I'm saying? He practiced with the team.
He practiced with them, so they had to be something where they said he needs work.
Well, then why don't we all right, Yeah.
What was going to say? What we owe? Yeah, but I was going to say was if it's all that, then why Why did we draft him if he knew that he was any time? Why? Why did we draft him? Because he's e no.
He was a second round draft pick, but still I mean, we traded up to get him. Exactly.
He was RJ's bro from exactly.
That's the That's the thing right there.
Like these are these Guy played.
They played, you fall together.
That would be bad management on them for doing it that way because he says, God, what? What is This management team just did the same exact thing.
I'm really just did the same thing.
That's what I'm saying.
That's why I'm saying that if that's the case.
But see the thing about it is I've seen Miles play.
So could it be playing in college too good.
Well, again, again.
What I'm saying is, he should have They he should have been playing.
He should have been playing over.
Yeah, Over. Yeah.
You should be playing over more. Okay.
Okay, Jerry, that's my brother, man.
That's why Don't bail me up.
We're sitting here and debating about trust about a deep roster, but it's like, what trash are we keeping them? What trash are we getting Riddles? Because it's all like we're talking about deep roster, but we have nothing with garbage.
So instead of what garbage are we keeping? What garbage is going? I'll tell you one thing with E.
Tell you one thing with If they're gonna cut him, he's gonna find job in Europe because he has Lithuanian bore, you know, routes and stuff like that.
He was born in corners, which is a huge city with basketball traditions.
His half of his family was playing professional basketball.
E you haven't And you know why? Because also in Europe, in Europe, a team in Europe has limits for, you know, out off European players, right? So he would fit under that limit.
So you can have, like a you know, a good you know, player, you know, out, out, off, Let's say out of Europe, right? But he would be playing as as your own European player, so I'm guessing keep would easily find a job in the You know the thing because I think there's there's gonna be some competition for me to deal with, right? Especially if Tom Thibodeau wants to bring guys that keep guys that are playing defense.
Because I think that's the biggest question about him.
Uh, you know, can he can he defend right? And when you got Michael Kidd Gilchrist, I don't know if he's gonna make a make the roster, but we'll talk about that.
You know? You got someone like him he's going up against, uh, Amara Spelman.
The reason why Omari Spellman could be very valuable.
Because if Julius Randle does get traded at the deadline um, you know, did you gonna need another power forward, Michael Kidd.
Gilchrist could play power forward as well, right? Uh, Omari Spellman.
Omari Spellman has to get in shape, though.
Yeah, the thing about women is, uh I find him valuable because he's gonna cheap, cheap contract and he can shoot.
That's the thing.
You could play him an OBE together because he can shoot.
That's the one thing.
My wrangles, The odd man out is because of shooting.
I mean, but but he's got to get in shape before he even thinks about.
I don't care how much you could shoot if you can't get on the floor because you're not in shape, then you're not valuable.
You can shoot the lights out.
You could shoot 100% from the three point line.
But if you can't get on the floor, then you're not valuable.
You know what I'm saying? So you know he's gonna have to be able to get on the floor before he could do anything.
They said he lost, like £20 already on.
He's where he's working because I think he's got the fact that he's been traded around so much and he's only in the lead two or three years.
I could see a kind of like a chip on his shoulder going from Atlanta, the Golden State to Minnesota and out to the Knicks.
I'm possibly being moved again if there's a trade coming up.
So I think that might have put a chip on the shoulder where it should have, and it should have put a chip on all the Knicks shoulder.
They had nine months to get in shape and get ready.
Okay, All of them should be ready like Knox has had nine months on.
I don't want to hear he was fooling around playing fortnight e think that whole thing is just dumb, Really? All that stuff about fortnight is just dumb.
I mean, no player is going to spend 24 hours a day just watching and going over film.
And that's just dumb to me.
That's just dumb to me.
It's just dumb because I guarantee you open topping plays Justus much as Kevin Knox, right? I guarantee I guarantee it.
That's just that's just craziness to me.
You know what I'm saying? What do you think about all of this? Uh, I'm a bit of a Navy guy because I went to University of Michigan, so I'm e.
But I think e think you guys hit on the head.
You know, defense is is the problem.
And I think you also have to remember that you know this.
It was a different regime that drafted him.
He was only a second round pick.
And those guys, I don't know if it was because he was RJ's boy or maybe they really believed in him.
I mean, he's got some real talent, but this is, you know, it's a new president and the new coach, and they might they might not think it's highly a Ziggy.
And I think, you know, Kevin made a good point.
I would have I would have liked to see what he could do last year.
You know, from his standpoint, it was kind of a wasted year on.
Now you have this new regime in here who doesn't have anything invested in him, and they have no idea what he could do.
He didn't get a chance to show if he could play or he can't play at the end a level.
So well, you know, he's gonna be a China camp, so he's got to come out and training camp and bust some ass.
Basically, I don't think it was a waste a year because he had a full opportunity in the D League to show people like you wasn't gonna get those kind of minutes with the big team.
And then I also feel like he's gonna This is his best opportunity right now because it's a clean sleep grant.
He may not have been drafted by these guys, but they're gonna they're gonna be looking at to see what we have.
You know what I mean? And he gets a full opportunity Thio earn his minutes.
You know what I mean is no preconceived.
Oh, we gotta play this guy because I'm trying to keep my job.
We gotta play this guy because of whatever reason, like he has the opportunity.
So it's up to him.
But on the flip side of that, last year, they were the only person that was moving in and out of the G League was Who was the guard that we had? That was that was filling in When? Um D s j and Cream Island.
Yeah, he was the only one that was going in and out.
He's better than what we have now.
It was a But the thing about the position of me, we're not gonna We're not going to bring this guy up in the sense off.
Let's see what he has up here because we have guys ahead of him, You know what I mean? Like granite.
I would have loved to have playing all the young guys, but that's saying this this, um, this season doesn't matter.
We're ready to take if that's what it waas.
And you want to just see who the young guys are, what they could become fine, but these guys were Everybody was pretty much trying to keep their job.
E wasn't gonna happen now. It was his opportunity.
Yeah, I agree on security right now.
You're going nowhere.
You don't have to worry about it.
He's gonna get it.
Yeah, this was his spot.
You gonna start like everybody has an equal opportunity.
I feel like right now.
Yeah, I agree, Tony.
But what I was saying on the flip side with that was you had Kenny, You have the other point guard.
That was That was that was down there.
And they just let him down it.
And I know some you're gonna know Some you're going thio e because they let him go.
I mean, the thing is, the thing is, I just feel like sometimes fans, we just overrate our guys.
Trailer, right? I really do.
I like what he brings to the table.
The Knicks waved him.
Where is he right now? Yeah, he's not a team.
It's not been picked up on the team.
Where is where is, uh what's his name? the point guard.
We were just talking about Kadeem Allen West.
Right now you don't have a job, None of them of the job.
So like we'll say. Oh, ****.
Why didn't the Knicks keep Kadeem Allen? Because he's better than every point guard on the team yet.
Still, he doesn't have a job in the league.
We say that about So we say that about Zo and say that, you know, the Knicks didn't do what they're supposed to do.
That Hey, don't have a job in the league now.
Maybe they will.
You know, I hope that he does.
But hey, Kenny Wooten got a job.
Where is he used Stone.
He's in Houston and And he got the same contract that he had with the Knicks A the same contract that he got with the Knicks.
It's not like he went there and and they're making him a rotational player. The same contract.
You know, we haven't heard from the man of the hour.
We haven't heard from Mark marches right off names now, Theo Pinson trash that Harper.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what Mark's gonna say Go ahead, Mark.
Hey, Mark, You can't You can't.
You can't. You can't.
You got technical difficulties, man.
You got equipment failure right now.
That's what it's talking all the time.
It's still really, really low. Mark.
Yeah. There you go.
Listen, E couldn't hold it into too long.
Can we find Brandon Knight? That's lost in the auditorium.
Auditorium lost and found box.
And bring another Kentucky player.
Why is Michael Gilchrist on this team? Hold on.
What? He's not on the team.
He's got a training camp invite.
It's not on the team.
You got a training camp invitee.
Mark? Mark, you gotta get You gotta get yourself together, man.
You didn't know that Nerlens Noel was signed? You didn't know that the Knicks sign? No.
Well, now you didn't know that Michael Kidd.
Gilchrist had a training camp invite.
He's what's going way? Usually up on everything you are usually up on every single thing.
What's going on with you, man? Keeping an eye on the five is free.
And yeah, he's gonna be playing with I've been having a great week.
But let me say this.
A lot of these guys, man, Just look at the roster, man.
The ones that's gonna come into camp and try to fight for they spot the all 3rd 3rd, 4th string guys just like the rock star Austin Rivers.
He's going to play Reggie Block.
He's going to play RG minutes going 30 35 minutes a game.
He's gonna play Kevin.
Not gonna play gentle, different the team.
Want to see what he is before he gets shipped out.
Uh, for Peyton, He's gonna He's going to play just because here, they're gonna play Dennis in June just because they want to see what he got before he shipped him out.
Frank is definitely gonna play because he has a role on this team and his team likes him.
Randall, he's going to play just because he's on this team with that contract, etcetera, until he packed his bags and get out of here.
Mitch is here in New Orleans, knows here those guys in getting their statements taken away.
So I want to know for those other guys, I don't think they're going to be seen unless injury happen.
The only person Who is the other guys? Who's the other guys? Who's the other guys? Who's the other guys? The Power kid? I could see him probably comin up in playing for the Knicks this season.
Is he even gonna make the team? Who's he makes the team over.
I think he could, because he has the DNA.
But who is he? Make it over one of the two way guys.
At the very least e.
Hey, he's a CIA guy.
The well, he could Milly rock his ass off his thing, but he's holed up.
But here's the thing.
But here's the thing.
If Theo Pension, if he was gonna make it over the open, I mean, they could make the move at any time, right? And maybe they want to see what he doesn't training camp first.
But Theo Pinson just now signed his two way contract.
Why would they? And they just say no.
We're gonna take miles power.
The one you because, uh, this cc a go, he's on the roster that that that the organization.
So I guess you know, they probably like him.
Listen, he's going to get a cup salary sin.
That's what I don't have money for dinner.
E just don't know where Miles power if he doesn't get one of those two way contracts.
All right, I don't know what miles power and less and less Iggy's.
Let's Iggy and let's Iggy.
Yes, you got invited, but you can only keep 15 guys on your team.
Well, it already has.
A contract is they're possibly gonna at least two more players.
But if they add two more players if they If they put your roster up to 17, then the question is, does that mean you gotta add your two way guys or do you bring it up to 17? Plus, you can still add your two way guys to that 17 to make it 19.
That's the question we don't know.
But assuming that it stays the way it is, who's he getting pushed over? Let me ask you a question, because it's the next done dealing and willing.
That's all I know is this is this roster is the rosters are going to training camp next week.
Are they? Are they done making moves? I think this roster is going into training camp.
I think this roster is going to be Oh, hold on one of the time.
I think this roster is going into training camp.
That's what I think.
I think it's going to training camp. Go ahead, Andy.
Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing.
This this these are the guys.
They're gonna go to the camp.
We don't know what's gonna happen before the season starts, but this is these.
These are the guys that is gonna, you know, they're gonna be on the training facility.
Oh, look at now.
Like we still have run that we serve 18 million.
They have been hit the floor yet, So they holding on to that money for a move, because that's what it looks to seem like because they have to spend the money.
So if they this was the roster, they would have gave the guys more money because that to spend it well, they don't they don't They don't have to spend their money right now, Aziz, long as they do it by the end of the season.
A za long Aziz long asses before the end of the season, so they don't have to do it right now.
They're gonna use that around deadline time where there's gonna be a contract that a team doesn't like after signing a player.
And then that's when you that's when you collapsed on the team.
Give me a first round pick in that place contract.
So they're gonna leave that $18 million as long they spend 98 million? No.
Is it 90 million, 98 million.
So long as they spend that they don't have to spend the rest of the money until the end of the season.
But they're gonna use that money is going to keep it open.
Just in case there's a contract player that they had a team song through this all season.
They do not want, they do not want any more because he didn't pan out for that team.
You're gonna end up giving us a first round pick going into next year's draft.
But this Ross said to me, if they're going to stay after this, those guys that came up to try and get a spot, I don't see it happening because a lot of guys on this team is Need the minutes and the Knicks need to see what they could do to see if they could move forward with these guys for the future.
That's not other guys.
Please, I agree.
I don't see, you know.
I don't see where Michael Kidd Gilchrist gets a spot.
I don't see where Miles E what Miles Powell.
Hey, hey, Cap said That Cap said he's the cornerstone of the defense.
OK, e o E, Wait a minute.
What? I never said that e o.
What did you say in that tweet? What did you say in that tweet E o? I was thinking that he's, you know he's shooting for him is like he's throwing rocks somewhere.
Uh, E uh, whatever time, whatever time I only said what I said because Tim is a defensive coach.
Woodson is a defensive coach.
That's what I was saying.
That's all I was saying e everything that you described about Michael Kidd.
Gilchrist in that in that tweet sounded like a cornerstone player off with sound like e.
It's far from it.
But let's ask Paul Paul, do you like the moves that was that that management did as faras the players that we got, man.
I mean, I don't love the players we got, uh, but I'm I'm okay.
I'm okay with the off season because I don't think they were great options available.
Then over pay for, you know, garbage players or mediocre players.
Um, and so I'm happy about that.
Uh, I'm not excited about about the guys that brought in.
I think you have a lot of the same problems did last year.
I think there's lack of shooting in the starting lineup.
Obviously, point guard, we don't we don't We don't have a starting point guard.
I mean, I e like other guys dio I'm not hating on elfin.
I think e finished talking.
Here's the thing.
I think he's a solid backup point.
That's what you should be.
And but unfortunately he's not.
He shouldn't be your starting point guard.
I mean, Austin Rivers isn't a point guard.
Uh, so that so between not addressing the point guard and not addressing the shooting, I think you know, obviously you hope to get you Hope RJ improves you hope you hope Mitch continues to improve.
You hope you get some pop from o B.
But But I think they're very much kind of running it back with a lot of the same team and a lot of the same problems.
And, you know, I don't.
But that being said, I don't think it was terrible.
I think they're just I think it's gonna take time.
I think you know, Knick fans are so they hate the word rebuild.
We've been rebuilding for 20 years.
This is not No, we haven't.
We've just been bad.
We've just been really bad for 20 years.
There's a difference between rebuilding and being bad.
We've we've been bad and we've been, you know, we've taken on guys who are past their prime and doing too much money.
The guys who don't deserve it.
Years ago, we trade away picks.
Now they're going about it the right way.
They're stockpiling picks.
Was it seven first round draft picks the next five years, like nine second round draft picks the next five years.
So they're compiling assets, and I like that they're being patient.
They're going slowly.
But as for this year No, I don't really like the guys that brought it.
One second calf.
One second, calf, ladies and gentlemen, just really quick.
This is Kev's defensive cornerstone.
Besides, besides, besides mix, pose him.
Let's take a look at this, Ladies and gentlemen.
And there it is.
And and there he is.
What? Wait, What is way? Don't see it.
I don't know what he's doing way.
Yo, you really made my day.
What is he doing way? Can't see it.
We can't see it.
I know it's questions. They could see it.
What are you doing? He's throwing up gang signs.
I don't know what that makes.
That is Kevin's defensive cornerstone.
E don't know what they're talking about.
That defensive cornerstone right there.
Ladies and gentlemen, E Cornerstone E.
You understand? I call out was Mitch RJ now topping.
And I'll talk to you about Frank in a minute.
But, Frank, those are the only four I called cornerstones that is making positive coming from this positive.
My comments to this shot is like, you know, those games when you have six baskets and for like, on the side off the main court, like taking a shot on that side back.
Oh, it should be nothing positive coming out your mouth about this.
Yo, It's like I don't even know.
I don't know how he can make a I don't know what his jump shot percentage is. Right.
But how could he make a jump shot like that? That's just bad in the shoot like that.
Yeah, you're like, you don't want to train.
You didn't like you, bro E Wayne on himself so long in my shop.
Yo, I hope that his agent calls Abdul Raouf.
There's something No Sim e o He's been shooting like that for so long.
E don't think you could do anything with it.
E kid shoots when they can't.
When they can't get the strength a Onley on leeway, He fixes that jump shot.
You gotta break both of his hands, bro.
E, you make Kevin Martin shot Look better than this broad.
Kelly Mine shot was funky to zoom or the funky real quick, Quick, Paul, why don't you? I heard you talk about the point cards, but you haven't mentioned frankly.
Okay, now why? E don't think he's a point guard.
I dio I think he's a great defender.
Um, I think I think he's intelligent.
I think he moves the ball well.
But he's not, you know he's not.
He's not a He's certainly not a pick and roll type point guard that's gonna really drive to the basket.
Put pressure on the defense.
Andi, I think that's what they need.
So I like Frank.
Maybe he plays a little a point guard, but I don't think he's I don't Ultimately, I think he's more of a kind of a wing defender.
Um, I don't think I don't see him as a point guard, But you do think that he has a role on his team, right? I do.
Okay, so So, ladies and gentlemen, before we finish that there were heading over to SportsCastr, Alright, To finish the rest of the show, we're gonna talk about position battles as we enter into training camp, but before we do so I'm putting a link in the YouTube chat right now, and I'm going to pin it so that you could join us over there.
All right, we're heading over there and about five minutes. Ladies and gentlemen.
Okay. We'll be there for about another.
You know, 25 minutes or so talking about position battles.
We're gonna go down each position and figure who are things. Gonna win that battle.
All right, But before we do that, did you guys see Nate? Listen.
Let me say something. Say something real quick. Real quick.
Real quick. Real quick.
Real quick. Real quick.
Real quick. E Don't know that Kicks.
Don't do it. Come on, man.
You can't go like that.
He had the blue and orange A Mim again, bro.
You can't do it like that.
Yeah, he's lucky.
He lucky this ain't the nineties where when you go to school, you get teased because I think that's the worst of getting teased back in the days, Because listen, I think he's gonna blow over.
What? It's gonna blow over.
I don't know him.
I don't know him.
Especially e Don't know him.
I seen a meme that it had.
It was literally the Knicks off season and nature's dropping.
You know, the black community was disappointed.
I mean, listen, listen me and Tony.
Tony me, Tony savvy.
I don't think it matters a piece of YouTube with a guy trained.
I mean, you know, he trains e.
I mean, he does that so he could make money.
But he's a trained fighter, right? E mean, there's a difference between being a trained fighter.
And it's someone who just says I'm going to step into the ring because I think I'm I'm an athlete.
Yeah, he thought he thought because he thought because he was he had the melanin skin and he thought he could take him out.
That's what it waas, That's what it waas He supported him. He got bro.
I don't know that kid e o.
You're not doing that bad, but you say you don't know.
I mean, come on, that one.
So if that was your boy that got knocked out, you're gonna bet.
Yeah, I don't know. You know more.
You're just gonna He's gonna do it like that.
You're not gonna be like e still love you, bro.
Listen, that's my boy.
I don't Nate Robinson from a hole in the wall so he could stay far.
Let me tell you that because for you to go on with those colors you represent broadly.
That's color Smith's colors, bro way all know what colors those air from Put Please Way would have knocked him out.
But if you would have knocked him out, if he would have knocked him out, then you would have been repping this type of person that type off cloud, having millions of people watching them from Children off all ages.
Bro, this was a trouble. Embarrassment.
E z Mountain skin brother like me because the guy we fight, he's a complete joke.
He's like a comedian.
He's a joke, and you don't get people like this one.
Uh, Amell completely e me. Listen, he does.
He does YouTube, but he actually trains the fight, though.
Yeah, he he actually changed the fight.
Hey, Lost to another youtuber in his first.
Another YouTube, That zone in the first, he he was just a guy that challenge somebody and just went and got help.
What went on? God help you learn how to fight.
That's what it was he just picked up and learn how to fight.
He wasn't fighting his whole life.
I'm gonna fight this guy.
I'm gonna learn how to box which you can do.
But normally when you're done good, good, good.
I believe he was Andy, if correct me if I'm wrong.
He was amateur fighter.
An amateur fighter which I know a lot of amateur fighters, and they train every single day.
Right? An amateur fighter who decided he wasn't gonna make it as a pro.
So I'll go ahead and, you know, I'm just gonna say no, no, no, no, no, no.
He's not an amateur fight like one of those guys that breed box.
And that that that was doing it from Young.
And he said to me, Andy and he talked to me.
Yeah, I think I think he is.
Actually, Rose is No, this dude, this Hold on this dude, bro, this dude, it's famous of doing YouTube.
Anything from being Yes.
Yes, yes, yes, but yes, yes, he is that.
But he also did amateur boxing.
He's only he's only doing it about two or three years.
His first fight knocked out by another year.
It's not like he was doing his whole life. That's different.
I don't understand it like that.
But still but still pro? Yes.
He only had two pro fights, two pro fights and amateur difference.
Who was the pros? Professional fighters When you get paid to fight.
When Nate Robinson and other youtuber.
Prior to that, he was an amateur boxer.
You know, he got paid a last fight against a guy called Kidcare Side.
It does for games on the Xbox.
You guys don't understand.
That is considered a bro.
You have a You sit him.
I don't consider them in that amateur fighting class.
He's a little a little, but you don't understand, you know, understanding what I'm saying.
You don't understand what I'm saying.
He's trained regardless of the class that you put him in.
Nate Robinson was not trained to fight.
Well, he should have had the wearer thought and I queued to not get in the ring with someone.
Alright, Hands thing.
You all right? Sometimes in life, you don't.
And Nate Robinson jumped in the pool to fight him.
The other see again.
So in that case, you did that to yourself in you.
On that alone bro.
And make sure you take those colors.
They told you make sure whatever colors you have in your house that represents the New York because what he did was embarrassing.
This was embarrassing, I'm gonna say, And I hope he sees this.
You don't get a neo where those colors again, because that was just pitiful.
And now you're mean for years and years.
You're keeping it banned.
It banned you next.
Clicks. Media was just waiting for it.
Yeah, and And he's, you know, I'm trying to figure out what you guys talking about because he's actually too.
And right now, So I'm trying to figure out what his he has.
I think it's his brother Logan.
Paul got beat by the Duke Assad.
Yeah, that's what it was.
Losing Got beat by KFC, and then he went from Logan.
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Everybody who goes around talking about, uh, you know. Oh, yeah.
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Anyway, anyway, let's talk about these position battles.
Man, we got about 15 minutes left.
Let's talk about Let's start with the point guard battle.
Right? You got a bunch of guys on there you got? I was about to say Nate Robinson, but you don't got Nate Robinson.
You got Frank Miller.
Kina, you gotta help with Peyton.
You got Dennis Smith, Jr.
Right? And you got Austin Rivers.
How do we see it playing out? Can I go for us? Yeah, yeah, go ahead, cab and let's try.
Let's try to have some sense with this and pass the mic thio someone else so we don't talk over each other.
I would like rank the star.
I like Frank to start.
And I would like d s j thio to back him up.
Yeah, for the time being, e, I don't know how I agree with you, Sam.
I don't know how Miles is going to get in there, but I just hope he shows out somehow some way that he gets in.
But I'm going with Frank first because I think out of all of them that he is the most organized.
They could get everybody involved, and we'll just have d S j just, you know, be like a and they Robinson or any of those other point guards that Tom, you know, had in the past that came off the bench and just show, you know, show out.
But at the end of the game, you want Frank in there? So that's where I'm going.
I'm not saying I don't know.
I can't say I don't know.
You don't know until they get in the training camp.
You know, you don't know who or what Tom Thibodeau can unlock when it comes to these guys.
You know what I mean? So, uh, we'll see.
We'll see. Hold on. Let me get to Tony. Go ahead, Tony.
I also would like Frank to start, but I think logically, uh, Peyton is tenderness all of our father.
A very, uh, biggest background.
So, yeah, I think I think he is, too.
Yeah, I think he is, too. And I know everybody.
I see Mark Holdings head.
He got a headache because you said l for Peyton's name, right? But I'm like Paul.
I'm not mad at ALP repeating.
He may not be a starter starting point guard in this league, right? But I think he, you know, on a good team where you really have ah, bona five point guard.
He's a good backup point guard.
It's just the point.
Right now, we don't know who will starter it.
So he's probably the purest point guard on the team, if that's what Tom Thibodeau wants.
No, Probably he is the purest point guard on the team.
Simon and I gotta ask you a question.
He has a no trade clause, so he can't be included in any packages.
He came, He came.
He just has to. No one has no trade clause.
No one has that. That's done.
Hey, does have it all the trains cause it's part of the C B A.
Because they waived him because of him and then picked him up again.
The C B a automatically puts in a no trade clause unless he obviously he can approval it. Zim.
It's not like no trade.
It's basically like you said.
Basically, it's not like, you know, negotiated it out.
It's like something that he got.
Like you said from the CB agreement, Right? Okay.
Right. But he could still be traded.
He would just have to agree to.
He'd have to wave hey, have to waive his right not to be treated.
So like we traded him.
So we set up a package, and we traded them thio Houston.
He will probably be okay with that.
Maybe he would. I'm just saying.
Well, yeah, I mean, he might be okay with it.
He would just have to say, Yeah, I'm cool with that.
Okay, so So I want to say this with the guard spot, right? Because if you want to see what dancing like, it's to a point, just just make him start like, yes, just just just make him so let's just see what these guys can.
I'm not with that, though. I just don't.
I think when you talk about building a team and you have certain standards, if I'm Tom Thibodeau, there's no way I take any guy on this team and say I'm starting him just because of this.
You gotta earn the spot.
You gotta earn it because you're trying to build a team.
You can't start off trying to build a team by just saying I'm just gonna start him just because I want to see this.
You gotta prove that you deserve to be out there.
That's how you build the culture of the team.
You're right, you're absolutely right.
But at the guard spot, hair right with all the paintings.
A reluctant shooter, right? He's more of a half half court point guard.
He don't push the ball fast enough or push the or pass up.
And he don't play with pace at the top point guard.
That this team needs to play a little faster, which this team does, and I hope they do so in this case, right? You keep Dennis new junior, right? He's more talented, also paying.
I'd rather let him start.
And if he mess up, if he does, something you don't like over pain is gonna be there.
So it's still a situation.
Get that. I get that.
But you gotta come into practice and let's assume that, you know, let's hope that everybody works at the same level, because for me, that's my first indicator.
If I got one guy that works, unless someone is just so uber talented, they gotta be on the floor.
Then I gotta deal with working issue, right? But if you got guys that all at the same level, the first thing, you're gonna look at us, who's working and who's not, let's hold, hold.
Hold on, hold on.
So let's assume that they're all working.
They're all working right there.
So now you gotta say, who fits what? I want to be done, who does the little things that I want to be done on the floor, who's gonna play the way that I want the team to play.
I think you got to go that way.
Them, That's why out about three guys, he's the least reluctant, reluctant Shoot it.
Yeah, yeah, Frank was shoot as much as he does.
Frank would probably be penciled in as the starter.
And that is you don't have no confidence.
Yeah, but we don't know that.
Yeah, that's the thing about Dennis Smith Jr is a tips point guard like he's Mawr closer to Derrick Rose type point guard in the rest of them, He could get into the pain.
He can penetrate again.
He break down the defense.
Peyton can't really do it.
We know. Sure, Frank can't do it.
So you're looking at If that is what you approves in camp, he's gonna be the point guard and I want to see him for the first month.
See what he can dio one like last year's bad luck.
His mother died of his injuries.
You have to give him, put him in training camp, see what he can dio.
I think you need to start him from Day one and go with the flow.
Because he's to me is that he's not the purest point guard, But he's the most aggressive point guard.
Yeah, I gotta flip a little bit. Sim.
I got agree with Joe a little bit because last year, because last year, just real quick, last year we had dinner Smith Jr penciled in as the start.
We had a picture in there.
Is that and then Frank making the backing them up? E i e way fan base Did.
Yeah, Knicks fan base one in the fan base.
But I'm not talking about the fan base.
The base don't count.
Yeah, but said the team the team told Dennis Smith was going to start, And then he got hurt on Friday, starting and painting got paying.
Got back before Dennis Smith, then Dennis Smith come back to put him off the bench, and his mother died, so he never got the chance.
E gonna be gonna be good for Dennis Smith because you're not gonna have anyone in the crowd this year so he could go in and just ball out and do his thing.
But nothing about.
He's not gonna worry about all that 1st, 1st year, he got his confidence back.
My thing is, I don't think we know who was actually penciled in as the starter because Elfrid Payton was her No E Oh, no, no, no.
What I'm saying is, we the fans could say, I think this person, that person We don't know who your team had penciled in as the starter.
It e I Maybe he did.
Maybe he did. I don't recall it.
Maybe he did it.
If he did have a pencil, then that's cool.
But this is not David Fizdale e, I guess when you came back s****om and when he came back when he came back, he didn't earn a spot back.
I agree with you.
So hold up, Hold up.
So we talk about D HJ's Tom Thibodeau's kind of point guard, is he? Because we always we wanna based on our Derrick Rose.
But Tom Thibodeau inherited Derrick Rose, and obviously he inherited, you know, a superior talent.
But when Derrick Rose wasn't there, it was Kirk Hinrich who started that point guard.
That's not the same kind of guy.
Hold on, hold on.
Let me hold on. Let me finish.
It was Kirk Hinrich that started that point guard, okay? And see that same kind of guy and then he had d j.
Augustine, those Johnny, those guys.
But those those guys, they're not Derrick Rose.
Point guards, obviously a Derrick Rose point guard is hard to come by, but when he went to when he when he said Let me go out and get a guy to be my point guard, right? Obviously, no Derrick Rose got hurt and Derrick Rose had Thio.
You know? You know, he had to fill in guys, right? So you went out and he got some guys to run the point guard spot.
When you got to Minnesota, who do you bring in? He didn't go get Derrick Rose again.
The oh, there goes again.
But what happened? Where do you go? Because they ended up with what's his name? Jeff Teague.
Jefty e Think they traded him? I think they got it created for him off the carbs after LeBron traded everybody.
Then he went to Minnesota.
Then he was a free agent.
I went to Detroit and then and then they got Jefty e don't know if he's exactly the point guard that you know.
It's Alfa paying to start because it seems like you would rather him Ah, point guard, that's reluctant to shooting.
And I would rather I would rather I would rather and I would rather Tom Thibodeau put in the player that he thinks is the best and not just do it off.
I want to see what this guy bet's.
I didn't say that he is the best.
He may not be the best for us, but he could be the best right now, depending on what Tom Thibodeau wants to dio.
Mark, Do you know what Tom Thibodeau wants to dio, Bro, Do you know what's going Tom Thibodeau's head ally? No, he wants a point guard to keep the defense honest.
And that's what Dennis Smith can do way better than Alfa paying.
There's no there's no there's no how do you? How do you know what he wants from from his point guard right now with this particular with Tom? What? Look everywhere Tom went from the from the third string guards.
It was able to keep the defense on me and shoot it penetrated.
But But you don't You don't know what he's gonna want from this particular team on what he's gonna put on the floor.
He may want to go with defense.
That's why they try to sign Michael Kidd.
Gilchrist. Right calf.
Hey, may wanna Hey, may want to go with experience.
God bless your heart, e No, no, no, no, no.
All I'm saying is I'm tired of all this dumb bull**** that we put out there, that everything has to be off of politics.
No, no, not that good.
What I'm saying is, I'm tired of this dumb stuff about everything has to be off of politics, right? Every time, every season, every season.
That's that's what we based everything on politics.
Right? Well, let's put this player out there because we want to see what they have.
Hold on, hold on.
Because to me, that's not how you build your team, right? Oh, whoa.
We got to see Can Dennis Smith Jr shoot.
I hope you can shoot.
But if he's not doing the things that Tom Thibodeau wants, don't put his ass on the floor.
It's not that he needs okay, because, because, look, I'm pretty sure they discussed and talked with Tom, Thibodeau said.
Would you want Elfrid Payton back and Austin Rivers in Austin? Rivers is also a Tom Thibodeau guy.
He wanted Austin Rivers.
He's more for off guard he Hey, hey, Hey, could play both Sam.
My wife agrees with you.
He said that he could play both when Chris Paul was out.
While he's got James Harden points is returning to the team.
Why are we acting like that? Why we acted like Frank didn't get this opportunity than a sister and get this opportunity.
Oh, once they started getting a listen.
I don't like that Smith.
He didn't get his.
He didn't get a full shape because of what happened to him.
We can't really can't really.
And they talk about the next Trump.
Well, it's a well, here's the thing is that was the coach.
His head was not in the game when he did play.
Okay? No, probably what? It wasn't the reason we started getting wins.
So let's question this is a whole new.
There's a whole New Year.
Ah, whole new wrath in the whole different coach, and I bet his mind is not say awful.
What happened? Toe.
What is a little much better than what e.
I would love to see him start.
I would love to see Dennis Jr start because he's the one player.
He's the one player.
He's the one player that has explosiveness.
But if he doesn't do the things that Tom Thibodeau wants him to do, I don't want to start him.
Just because that's not you talking like that if he if he doesn't play well, okay.
You okay, But you're telling Mark yo, who do you want to start? Who do you want to say? No, No, no, no, no. Stop.
But no, no, no, no.
I want your opinion.
What? What I challenge you want is you know, I'm saying that he should just start him just because you said just put him out there and start him just so we could see what it is.
And I disagree with that logic.
Go ahead and go ahead and go ahead And e e o.
Because, no, it's really hard toe pinpoint.
I started right now, as far as I see it.
Because if I'm in Thebes shoes right before I took the job, I saw what players there on the next right saw a couple of games, at least of them.
I had a new idea about them.
He had a Let's go a long off season, right? He probably was watching some workouts, was been pointing some, you know, things that he wants the guys to train on and stuff like that.
But even after those individual workouts, he had, like only a few sessions off team workouts, If I'm correct, even or if not that he had only individual workouts now he's gonna have a week off individual workouts.
Ah, week on Lee.
A week off group training, which in, you know, before this season he had a couple of weeks in the summer because the guy chipped in together just to play basketball.
And there were coaches there and the preseason the, you know, offseason holding.
They had continuously working hours just to get the chemistry together.
Right now, he has basically a week and four preseason games.
Uh, if I'm six, I had at least an idea off my starting lineup off my team.
How I'm going to shape this up and it doesn't matter if we picked up this guy and this guy right? He had to become an in with the idea before even penciling that, you know, agreement to become the next head coach that he was having at least and selling.
You know, Leon Rose on this and this kind of tactics he's gonna be using, right? So I'm thinking that he probably had starting lineup, you know, before in his head.
Maybe it, like, tweaked or is gonna be tweaked.
But I think in case off this, you know, the only a week of training camp and only four preseason games, we might see some wild lineups out there.
Just looking at the roster.
Have exactly half of the roster.
Are new guys, right? So the chemistry, it's on Lee with the old guys and Ignace was not playing with them.
So you have, like, eight guys on Lee on accounting Theo Pinson because he didn't play a minute on the court with us.
Neither the Giant Harper.
Right? So you have, like, eight or nine players that play with each other if you value chemistry, which I actually value, and then p A.
And I think you can have worse players.
But if they play like five seasons with you know each other, they're gonna be playing better than like a group of pick up guys.
And, you know, I'm just wondering if we're gonna see the preseason games if we're gonna see, you know, like I was starting five for the first Detroit game, like 1 to 5.
And on the second game, if we're gonna see, like, ah, whole different five or we're gonna have only a quick, inward position or something like that.
And that's that, that you know the thing for me because it's really not that much overtime and looking at the season, you know, he has to think like this.
They're only putting up half of the schedule, right? Why? Because they're afraid that they're gonna have to cancel the season, like, halfway through.
So it's like a moment is like on Li like like that 10 10 seed playoff game that the bird every game is going to count just in case something you know, passes out and and, you know, they gotta cancel the season and go to a bubble just to finish the playoffs, right? So I'm guessing, you know other.
He has to go with an idea from day one and stick with it and just we get or he's gonna go, you know, roll the dice on every game each each other lineup and it looks was gonna work because I don't see anything else he can dio at this point.
Um, and just for the record, L for Peyton shot 10 times per game last season.
I mean, Mitchell Robinson really only shot five times per game, you know? You know, I mean, I wouldn't say that.
He's I agree, Tony.
I wouldn't say he's reluctant to shoot the ball.
Hey, may not shoot a well from the outside, but he shot the ball 10 times, became he shot 44% from the field.
If he was able to hit the three, he clearly clearly with his shot.
Better than that.
But you know, he's the ****ing hey is defunct from that three point shot.
So? So? So I could see this happening with this roster.
I could see what happened with this roster, right? What? What time tomorrow would do if at the point guard spot, he's gonna put mostly off guard, Get off guard off guard, guard that and try to play play through either.
If topic shows his ability to pass out t do things at the forward spot, you're going to see him mostly predicate the offense that way, depending on if the point guards don't do not show up in the way that he would love to.
So it can go both ways.
But Thio have pain start.
I don't think that's a good idea for us number one, because I just I just think he's just a backup guy.
He's just a backup God and I would just rather a talented more player at the point guard spot personally, and that's what Dennis Smith is, even though I don't like him like that.
But he does have things that you would want a point guard toe have.
Okay, well, let's move on to the point guard spot.
I mean, I just think, Listen, if Dennis Smith Jr comes in and he proves that he could be what Tom Thibodeau wants, then he deserves a spot.
Then he should get it if he if he comes in and he can't get and he doesn't do it and Tom Thibodeau goes with Tom, Thibodeau goes with who he thinks should get it not just based on, because this guy is the most athletic.
This guy passes the best who he thinks fits the roster.
That team his starters the best.
I'm gonna go points start over random.
Clearly he doesn't hear what.
But again, this is your opinion. I said.
Who? Tom Thibodeau feels Tom Thibodeau.
Okay, Who? Tom Thibodeau feels not who Mark feels.
I said E said the roster.
Listen, I said, I'm telling you how I feel.
I said the roster and the group of people that he has on the floor, the people that he feels fits together is who Tom Thibodeau should put on the floor.
That's what I think.
I'm reserving everything until I see him play.
When I watched the training camp when I watched them in training camp and I watched some of these preseason games, then I'm gonna make a decision and say, Okay, I think this person should go here and this person should go there.
E playing the middle really good.
I'm not playing the middle, E I got to see what that go on the floor.
Alright, no doubt, No doubt.
I'm just sending you I'm challenging you next.
I'm just challenging. It's all.
It's all love here, You know, we got you know, that's what we gotta do.
You see what they do on the floor once they get in once they actually start playing.
But the battle is gonna be crazy.
Shooting guard. I think that's locked up.
Yeah, that's locked up.
Depending on depending on how he wants to use R. J.
The two or three, whichever one.
Wherever he puts R.
Barrett, that's locked up, you got to do.
And then the opposite is gonna be either the, you know, the three of the two.
Whichever ones left, you got Reggie Bullock.
You got the other dogs you got Awesome rivers.
Uh, you got to do for Philly.
I can't even think of his name right now that they just son Alex Brooks.
You got Alec Berks? Oh, Forgot about him to Jesus Christ.
Fight with it a little bit.
What if he does move Barentu? The three.
Who's your to then Rivers? I e If he moves into the threes, either gonna be rivers, Alec Berg e.
It's gonna be It's gonna be one of those guys.
E don't think quickly is gonna get playing time.
I don't I don't think it's gonna get a lot of plans on see you.
I don't think I mean shoot, but I don't think he's gonna come in and get a lot of playing time this year.
One thing about playing time this year, I'm gonna say one thing about quickly.
Here's the way how you approach the game.
Don't be surprised if you do get minutes, because the kids play with tenacity.
Hey, plays with tenacity that, like I said, if you're consistent enough on this team, that's who Tips is gonna play.
So this is a he does what he does, how he coached and what I've seen. How you coach.
If you play with consistency and he puts you in a position to do whatever he tells you to do and you do it consistently, you're going to play, period.
So he could he could.
I just I just I just think it's gonna be hard for the minutes.
There's gonna be limited for him this year until they make some moves and clean out all of this glove at the guard spots.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like well, the signs that they did and you go and drive quickly.
What was the point of that, you might as well should have got one of those e think, I think because they know Well, I mean, and they sounded for two years.
Was it two years ago? I don't know what the deal is.
Well, it's a rookie deals rookie deal.
He's that got him in the first round.
E don't know what it is.
Now, look, I don't know what the next is gonna dio.
Honestly, nobody Oh, looking at her Like it looking at Like it when he plays looking at it the way he plays and listening to his, uh, his interviews like, I heard him with Alan Hahn and the other dude, you might I know it's a stretch, but I think it might wait.
Yeah, he could shoot the ball state.
But, you know, I mean, you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of parts on the roster that he's got a roster is gonna Jodie Meeks.
You remind me of Jodie Meeks.
He's gonna be a shooter, but she's gonna I think he's gonna like either a bill or a no.
You're going too far. You gotta Come on, man.
Falling Now! Come on, farm on.
We just got another We just got another cornerstone.
Then if he's gonna be Bradley Bill, we just got another cornerstone cornerstone, anyway.
Got Listen, listen, listen, listen.
Listen, I got a meeting that I got to get to, so I gotta run out of here right now, all right? I'm already I'm already 10 minutes late for the meeting.
You know what I'm saying? Because I'm 10 minutes late, so we're gonna have to get back to the We're gonna have to do a whole show on this position battles because I know it's gonna be a huge argument.
E It's just so dust to me.
I had a great day and this this this soldiers gets me riled up way, come back.
And we could get everybody with plugged in headphones and talk so that the sound is good, because when people when we're trying to talk and we go over top of each other, it all goes through.
The sound starts getting jumbled.
Then we can't hear if you've got good headphones on.
I'm not saying talk over each other, but it has a good clear sound.
We gotta have good headphones in or microphone or something like that.
Talking through the speaker, it just doesn't is not clear enough when you got people talking.
All right, you start to get too much feedback, but anyway, I'm out.
Ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna have to do another show on just position battles, man.
Uh, just straight up position battles because I know there's gonna be a lot of contention going on.
I might try to do one.
E might try to do one earlier this week.
I might try to do one tomorrow night or some tomorrow afternoon focused on just position battles.
I'll see what my schedule looks like.
So tomorrow night? Yeah, but I mean, we'll see.
I could hear everything you said because it broke up, But anyway, I'm out of here.
Ladies and gentlemen, Peace E.