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00:00:05
And with that, we welcome you back into SportsCastr news MBA side of things where, of course I am.
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Adam arm wrecked.
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And there is no Keith McPherson enjoying some much deserved holiday rest.
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So he will be back in ah, starting next weekend over on the SportsCastr news NFL side of things as he breaks down the Sunday slate of games along with Ray Route and Joe Nuvo.
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So be sure to check him out over there before today.
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It is me flying solo, and we want to take a look out there in the Western Conference.
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Obviously, it was a bad season last year for the Golden State Warriors, as far as expectations dealt with a ton of injuries.
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And then we know we're coming right back in here with potentially another big loss and confirmed big loss in Clay Thompson and more uncer*****y around this season.
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Before we do get into that, though, there is a little footnote around the MBA on that is Donovan Mitchell signing his extension with the Utah Jazz going to go ahead and get him that Max guarantee contract extension 163 million so that you lock up the young star, and it's interesting just to think about them.
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In the general landscape of the N B A and how you know, there was a time just last season during the regular season pre shutdown with the conversations around Rudy Gobert and and how they were fitting or meshing or not fitting together on what that relationship look like now.
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They had a relatively strong performance, even though they were up 31 in the playoffs and ultimately lost.
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You have to certainly look at them and say they took a step forward in the bubble for this franchise.
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They have to feel pretty good about where they are coming in.
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The question mark now becomes, though really still around that relationship, regardless of whether or not it's healthy.
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Can you look at Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell and say, This is a tandem that we feel confident in going forward beyond the contract for Rudy Gobert? What does it look like for Rudy Gobert? Are they going to retain him? UH, a center, a big with his skill set, defensive minded and one who's getting up over 30 you wonder when does that drop off start to come When do you lose some of that mobility? Some of that quickness, some of that weak side defense? All those little things that make Rudy Gobert and it made him such a strong player over the course of his career as those start to diminish.
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Then what are you going to pivot Thio when you're the Utah Jazz and you think about the future with Donovan Mitchell? Because I love Donovan.
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Mitchell is a player.
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Matt Brooks and I have talked about this, Ah, handful of times going all the way back to last season, and when that conflict was coming up between them, who would you prefer to keep? What's your best bet going forward? And it's a weird thing to think about possibly moving at the time we say, What would you maybe consider moving Donovan Mitchell? Just because what you have in Rudy Gobert and in terms of a small window, when is it going to close? Would making a move now and getting the most out of Rudy Gobert be the most beneficial to the Utah Jazz? As opposed to what the long term might look like and having to make adjustments, having to tweet that roster at some point down the road because they brought back Derrick favors this offseason.
00:03:20
Um, you know, it's a nice It's a nice backup big toe have on the roster.
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Obviously, he's not a terrible need a needle mover.
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But now, when you look across this roster, they also have Bogdanovich and on this roster as well returning.
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We know, you know, you feel pretty good about what they have.
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It's still gonna be Mike Connolly.
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They brought back Jordan Clarkson.
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So it was a relatively stand pat kind of off season for the Utah Jazz.
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And then the question kind of becomes, well, what does that look like in the landscape of the West? Because this is the last thing that we talked about.
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I believe on Thursday.
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Yeah, What about Thursday? Thanksgiving morning got on with Matt Brooks, and we talked about the idea of when you look out West who are the rising and falling teams over there.
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Um, and this is the issue l A got better.
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Clippers arguably got better, adding Ibaka, you know, little tweaks, not, not necessarily, you know, massive jumps, but still probably got better, probably overall going to be a better team they were last year.
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He wouldn't just be better in terms of going to get to the playoffs.
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And then you have the Denver Nuggets.
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Um, you know, you can say that.
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They're that they're still where they're at, but you have Jamal Murray taking his leap.
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What do you think about Porter Jr and how he's going to evolve? So do you think that team is young? They're exciting on.
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Obviously, when you have the Joker, you feel pretty strong about your baseline there.
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The Houston Rockets are an interesting one cause they go out and get Christian.
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Would they still have James Harden? They still have Westbrook.
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So as it stands right now, you're talking about a team that was a foresee last year in the Western Conference.
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And we know how muddled it is.
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44 wins.
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That's right there with okay, see, with the Jazz one ahead of the Dallas Mavericks in the seventh spot.
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But they're still going to be as they're constructed right now, they're going to be a competitive team, and even when they move on, it's something that Matt highlighted on Thursday.
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Even when they move on from this from maybe from, say, James Harden.
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If even if you keep Westbrook the tandem and complement that he creates with Christian would like this can still be an interesting, exciting, dynamic team even post James Harden trade.
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We really have to respect them now.
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What is it gonna look like overall in terms off, You know the quality of play once you make that move, that that's to be decided, right? But I and by the way, low key picking up DeMarcus cousins as well.
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You know, if Boogie could get back anything close to his form, it's another layer deeper they have to feel pretty good about have Sterling Brown, their in depth as well.
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So there, you know that's a team that Are they going to be a four seed? Probably not.
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But are they still going to be in the mix there, competing? Yes.
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And again, if you keep them intact, I It's gonna be very interesting very high on Christian would I think he compliments inside with that current roster right now.
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Very well, and it also creates flexibility if you're gonna keep him on that roster, and P.
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J.
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Tucker just having a veteran presence that You don't necessarily have to run out there at the five.
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The way you work in a big shifts there, though, in terms of type of offense, they're running without D'Antoni at the helm anymore.
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But that being the case for the Utah Jazz, listen, Okay, See, they'll be fun to watch.
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Um, I don't know what the expectations they're going to be losing Chris Paul.
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Obviously, they also moved on from Steven Adams.
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So now you're talking about SG A out there with Diyala with door with Baizley.
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They bring in Al Horford, You get Trevor arreaza? Possibly.
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I'm not sure if the reasons there could be on Detroit, he's bounced around a lot.
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Then you also bring in George Hill.
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So you know, there's a loss of CP three. Big, obviously.
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But can this team still be in the mix around the back end of the Western Conference? I think so.
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I think they're still gonna be an interesting team to keep an eye on.
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So, you know, when you talk about where the Jazz are in that hierarchy, you've got the Mavericks who are seven seed last year.
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They're gonna be there or better.
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You're talking about the Portland Trailblazers, who added all defensive nice defensive complimentary pieces to help make them better.
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They're going to be a better team member.
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Only 35 wins last year but dealing with injuries to Nurkic throughout the course of the season.
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Get him back in the bubble.
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You have to think that you feel pretty good about them moving up the list.
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The Phoenix Suns getting CP three.
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Yes, they move up the list.
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So all of a sudden, if you're the Utah Jazz, you were a succeed.
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You know it's not.
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But in the Western Conference, it's gonna be hard.
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You know, the hierarchy is going to be interesting to see how it shakes out.
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I think the Dallas Mavericks taken immediate big leap forward out there.
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And then how does it impact all the other hierarchies of these teams there? So, just something to think about.
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They signed the extensions.
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We say hello to move.
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Oh, my God.
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I love that.
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That handle just rolls off the tongue.
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Thanks for coming on the broadcast, but something keeping eye on.
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You signed the extension.
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You have him locked up.
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But this you know I don't want to put it into any bad categories.
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I'm been a fan of Russell Westbrook.
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I understand, um, you know what he gives or doesn't give you in terms of wins and losses and the value of a player like him.
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But I wonder if Jonathan Mitchell could be going somewhat in that direction following the goal.
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Really Gobert era Because you have to make sure you draft well.
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You have to make sure you shift assets so you can bring in fresh bodies to play alongside Donovan Mitchell.
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Because if not, you're smaller market team.
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You're not just automatically gonna attract free agents Now.
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If you have the capital, you can at least go ahead and say, Hey, will over pay for it and make sure that we bring quality in that being the case, Steph Curry has been in the news.
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The Golden State Warriors have been in the news.
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They took wise, been there in the draft.
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They also end up with Kelly Uber via trade.
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So some moving pieces here in parts they still have Wiggins on this roster.
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What is the expectations around this team who has no where's near the playoff picture? Uh, this last time around here, obviously dealing with all their injuries.
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But Clay Thompson goes down again.
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You're not gonna have him.
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You have, ah, Draymond Green, who maybe is aging before our eyes, and you don't know what the quality of his players specifically, maybe offensively, is to become just a net neutral there.
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And you need to really lock in on the defensive end to give you quality that that that's possibly the case.
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But when asked about Steph Curry that is talking about what he would have felt like right to see the bubble unfold without them being involved because it's different than not only not being in the playoffs saying dealing with those injuries, but more because this is a restart.
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There's a playing games and you get it and there's injuries and everything else, but and you were out there before and you could have come back, etcetera.
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It's just a difficult spot to be put in.
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So initially, just on the restart of the bubble, Curry did say, He said, You know, not being a part of the bubble to start was difficult.
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22 teams out there grinding and ready to restart, and there we are, the Golden State Warriors just sitting at home.
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But it did kind of died down a little bit once it got going.
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You just missed being out there and in that fight and they haven't watched, as he says, haven't had toe watch the playoffs from afar in six years.
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So it's been a long time since he didn't have that thing of going to the playoffs and competing right.
00:10:04
We always talk about LeBron James and his long run.
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Missed it with his first year with Ella, Obviously, um, but you start to get an expectation, and it's good toe happen, right? The expectation of what we think we're going to see and what we expect to see from our team on a year to year basis.
00:10:19
So obviously that was difficulty went on to talk about L.
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A and is obviously amazing with Davis and a D and what they accomplished it and essentially all those kind of generalities off.
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You appreciate seeing guys like them win.
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Obviously, you also want to get into the bubble.
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You're into the playoffs again.
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Excuse me for themselves and then we'll just the tip of the hat when we talk about the bubble in general and what it took right, go back.
00:10:43
I'm trying to remember the 160 180 days I think we got up there and 120 ish somewhere around.
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I think a third of a year is what we ended up coming up to in terms of going back to the bubble, the restart playing all the way through the final.
00:10:56
So there's obviously a commitment there and being away from family and what that meant.
00:11:00
So from afar, Steph Curry could understand and see that.
00:11:04
And then you talk about the addition of a Kelly uber and the draft of Weissman and what this means for this roster Now, Steph Curry said it speaks to the organization's commitment.
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Try to put together the best roster out their new.
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We're going to be aggressive in free agency even without Clay's injury, but became more sense of urgency to get the right talented guys in here and he looks at Kelly Uber and thanks to listen to the guys in the league five years ready to take that next leap.
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Hopes that they have the right pieces within the organization toe.
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Help him unlock that next level of his game.
00:11:32
And if there's a team that you think is capable of doing that, the Golden State Warriors will be a great sample size to look at it when you talk about Andrew Wiggins and the deal that they went through their Excuse me, um, you know, you can take a look at a couple elements to it, right? What do we see from him? That is Andrew Wiggins that we hadn't seen in years prior.
00:11:56
And I mean, even just the baseline that we're that we're talking about here still played 34 minutes for 33 34 minutes when he came over the Golden State.
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Now he Onley ended up.
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You end up getting a relatively small sample size there, but you're talking about a guy that knocked down 45% from the field, nearly 46 that goes back to his first couple of seasons, 46% in 2015 16.
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So that was strong.
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You talk about the three point shooting and whether or not that was getting better, he's a career 33% basically lived in that area.
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So maybe that's just the net result that you're going to get free throw numbers again.
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Nothing to write home about.
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Um, this is the problem.
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May be that you think about now The caveat here is you didn't have the full complement.
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The problem is, you're not gonna have the full complement.
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So Ken Wiggins be any better? You know, the contract obviously is brutal, but he comes.
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He come over.
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And you Are you essentially who you've been and or is it going to look any more dynamic or any different? When you get onto the Golden State Warriors? It may not be the case.
00:12:57
Now, Will it look different when we talk about the draft picks when we talk about Kelly uber? Because now you're also getting into the idea of what can you baby on this roster? And how might that look? At least alongside Steph Curry, Draymond green Weismann? And then you're even gonna throw Wiggins into that mix as it stands right now it's curry.
00:13:16
Wiggins, you break green and Weissman, that's who's going.
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You're gonna come out there with first you have Peschel, that you had it in their behind them.
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Damian Lee, you know? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't wanna maker which I think is a nice supplemental.
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Add, by the way, coming over from the Celtics, I don't mind that at all.
00:13:30
Um, but what were your expectations for Wiggins with Clay Thompson, Steph Curry, Draymond green in the cast? And how does it shift when you take out Clay Thompson and you add in Kelly uber, right? Can you still expect Kelly you bray to be a relatively comparable, even if it's on one end of the floor or other? Probably not.
00:13:55
And this is where it gets a little bit tricky because one of the things that everyone keeps pointing to is You don't want to forget about the Golden State Warriors just, ah, year removed, right? But the only other thing we don't know about it.
00:14:07
Matt Brooks and I have talked about this, uh, say length, but we touched on a number of times.
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We say, Hey, Thio Brewers fan 30.
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The issue that you wonder about is what's the age threshold here? When are we going to see a little bit of you know? Some of the little things start to come away, whether it's from a Draymond green, whether it is from Steph Curry because he starts to lose even just a threat of a step in terms of his quickness on what does that cost him offensively, in terms of just getting into the lane and then opening up that three point shooting? Listen, he's too young to really look at it and say, there's a fear of that happening sooner than later.
00:14:43
And yet you at least have to acknowledge that the team it's court has gotten older.
00:14:48
Gonna be without Klay Thompson again for this year.
00:14:50
When you look at Kelly Uber and we talk about that 45% field goal percentage of the 35 from deep, that's probably the number you circle the most right three point shots, especially when you think about replacing a guy like Klay Thompson.
00:15:02
Especially when you think about replacing that three point shooting as well from him, two for roughly every 5.
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5 attempts that he put up there this past season in Phoenix.
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If you could open that up for him in the same way that Clay Thompson benefits from it, then you're talking about him may be getting better, easier looks than he had in the past.
00:15:23
If you can do that, by the way, the 35% is a career high for in this past season.
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Now you start to move the needle for May in terms of replacing in some form or fashion that Clay Thompson minutes.
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Now there's a world where we talk about Kelly.
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You're just being a hold for the Golden State Warriors to move at the deadline.
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But that's what I think about Wiggins, too.
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So it's just your in this weird confluence of what it's once Clay Thompson goes down.
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Now, if you're the Golden State Warriors, it's This is the weird push and pull.
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You have an older still, it's still good still at the prime.
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Uh, in Steph Curry, you have an older Draymond green with a little bit of a question mark there.
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Now you have no Clay Thompson.
00:16:00
Are you more inclined to be going for it like you would in a normal season this year? Or as the trade deadline approaches? Are you going to be open depending on where you're sitting to move somebody? If you do that, are you going to subject Steph Curry and Draymond Green to more wear and tear down the last 35 30 games of a season make a little bit less in the modified 72 games stretch here in terms of where the trade deadline will be.
00:16:24
But are you gonna subjective than that? Are you going to put them out there and say, We're going to go ahead and run you out there after we trade away uber to get some more draft capital after we trade away someone like a Wiggins for whatever his value is or is not? That's a question mark, and that's why it's not unlike when you look what we talked about the Houston there at the top. It's not.
00:16:45
It's a little bit not too similar to that of Hey, what are you looking to do? Here you go out.
00:16:51
You sign Christian would if you move on from a James Harden.
00:16:54
Well, what does it look like behind that? Because if you keep Westbrook, let's say, because just because you're not gonna get what you want in return for him, what does that look like if you hold until the trade deadline? But now, if you're sitting there is a six.
00:17:04
Seed is a five seed in the Western Conference or you gonna pull the plug on that scene, that these guys were playing well together and maybe building that chemistry? It's likewise for Golden State.
00:17:12
Wherever they're gonna end up in that hierarchy, you have to at least look at it and say, Is the trade deadline approaches? What are we looking at here? Are we, uh, seven seed? Let's say or we have five.
00:17:24
Maybe we're five seats somewhere in there, right? Somewhere in that 5 to 7 range, maybe.
00:17:28
What does it mean for us? Is it enough? Is it important enough for us in this year for Steph Curry to get himself back into the playoffs with Draymond Green and this cast? Because I can say you're gonna get yourself some nice playoff minutes for Kelly uber.
00:17:41
If he's on the roster, you're going to get some for the rookie Weissman.
00:17:44
You're going to get some Mawr for Wiggins.
00:17:46
You know you're going to be able to get some valuable reps as I've talked about as a Brooklyn Nets guy these last two years, Bubble included.
00:17:54
You got playoff reps.
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There's only two.
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Siri's went really quick for the Nets, but Spencer Dinwiddie, Caris Levert, Jared Allen, Joe Harris.
00:18:01
All these guys got their first taste of the last two seasons off playoff basketball, so that could be an important part important step for the for the Golden State Warriors.
00:18:10
I think the disappointing thing for them is the idea was, Hey, if we turn around and get back, Clay and Stephan Dream on and we draft Weitzman and we have Wiggins, we feel like watch out, we're gonna be right back where we were.
00:18:28
Now there is the loss of Kevin Durant effect on the roster as well that you know it's almost easy to forget it because of the injuries.
00:18:35
And then Durant moves but doesn't play the following season with Brooklyn, so you kinda have that little thread gets stretched out there.
00:18:42
We don't know what this team entirely looks like.
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Post Kevin Durant era.
00:18:46
We think back to the pre Kevin Durant era, but that's a number of years ago now.
00:18:49
So where does everybody fit into this? And as you see what the injury to Clay Thompson? Uh, you know, that's that's the concern here now is these guys start to get a little bit older, so it's gonna be weird.
00:19:01
Interesting.
00:19:02
I should rather say at the trade deadline how Golden State approaches it.
00:19:06
You know, Are they going to look to flip these assets, or are they committed to it? And you can look at this by the way, across the board here, just in terms of, of where teams are as they enter the season.
00:19:17
And then as they approach the trade deadline, you know, determining what your goals are at the start of the year.
00:19:25
So as the example right.
00:19:27
If you want to just flush out Wiggins again if you want to flesh out Kelly, you break.
00:19:32
If you want to think about how that looks with him and with Clay Thompson in the future, you could go into the season very clean.
00:19:38
If you're Golden State and say we're just going to assess what we have in our roster.
00:19:41
And now we're gonna push that timeline back one year and say next season is the big year.
00:19:46
We get all these guys back and we see how all the pieces fit.
00:19:49
If you're a team, however, like the Clippers, you're in a go now mode, right? You have a disappointing showing you fire your head coach.
00:19:57
You turn things over a little bit.
00:19:59
You bring in a new player in.
00:20:00
Ibaka has a connection to quiet Leonard, but But you have to come out of the You have to come out making a real statement come Christmas Day, December 22nd, when the season gets started, you have to come out with a commitment of what we're going to do, how we're going to do it.
00:20:16
This is us finding our rhythm very early in the season.
00:20:19
So there's different dynamics at play in terms of how teams need to approach it.
00:20:23
Likewise, for the for the L A Lakers last year, LeBron on this bit of a mission statement, right, proving some things to the league on their way to winning a title, ultimately in the bubble.
00:20:33
But now, this year, when a team like that goes out in the and the free agency market and through, they picked up a draft pick a well, but most importantly through free agency.
00:20:44
When you go and look at that roster now and all of a sudden think about the idea that you moved on from a you moved on from a Dwight Howard And now you're talking about LeBron James.
00:20:56
You bring in a Schroeder now, is he going to be a starter for you? That's a little bit different role than what he was doing last year, but still an improvement at that guard position for you.
00:21:05
You still have kcp you bring in.
00:21:07
You have Markieff Morris there, and then you bring in Marc Gasol.
00:21:10
And the interesting thing about that is, now they're saying we're gonna have a perimeter shot from our five from our big right.
00:21:16
And in doing that, you give yourself trump a tremendously different looking team.
00:21:21
Ah, different dynamic on offense and one that you can pace your way through.
00:21:26
Once again, figure out your rhythm, find the balance on this roster throughout the course of the season and then be ready to go for another big playoff push.
00:21:34
Meanwhile, sending out the memo to the league Hey, everything that we did with our bigs last year is going to look drastically different this year.
00:21:41
And that's just entirely new wrinkle that every other team in the league is going to figure out.
00:21:45
And the Lakers get to approach this year slow and steady.
00:21:48
Let's find our rhythm.
00:21:49
Let's get into it.
00:21:50
Other teams don't have that type of luxury.
00:21:53
And I was thinking about just over in the Western Conference.
00:21:55
Overall, if we take a look at some of these teams, you think about the Jazz, the Jazz and no more, no more or less sense of urgency.
00:22:05
I think they're just gonna come out and play their game and and see how things shake out.
00:22:10
But if I look in the Western Conference, said the Clippers and they're gonna have some urgency around them, I think the Phoenix Suns we're gonna have a little bit of urgency around them because right out of the gate, you want to see that continuity now is CP three has an impact.
00:22:23
The roster.
00:22:24
You've you've moved on from Kelly Uber because you saw how you could get by without him.
00:22:28
Essentially, what does that look like for them? But they need to hit the ground running because this is a team again.
00:22:33
That was in the spectrum of being able to play in there for the bubble 34 39 though, So what does C P threes impact look like? How do we get ourselves into that 40 40 to kind of wind category that puts us into the seventh.
00:22:47
See the eighth seed in those kind of conversations.
00:22:50
Oklahoma City.
00:22:51
They're gonna fall out.
00:22:52
Not urgency developing there, I think.
00:22:54
But Memphis Grizzlies? Likewise, they miss out on a big opportunity.
00:22:58
The bubble finished with just 34 winds.
00:23:00
There's some sense of urgency there to showcase that you are progressing in the right direction here.
00:23:06
When you look at that roster, you know you have Mirant.
00:23:09
You have Brooks alongside of him.
00:23:11
You know Valanciunas Jackson Jr at the murky one for May and the Grizzlies or the kind of team that I don't know 100% if I'm approaching with confidence coming into this year, or am I looking at it as a really young, talented player that's gonna find himself on the outside looking in of the Western Conference specifically because to, uh, urgency takes on different forms? I think the Kings have urgency.
00:23:34
They signed White side.
00:23:36
I don't know what they're gonna look like.
00:23:37
It wasn't a great offseason for them, you know, from that standpoint, necessarily.
00:23:41
But they should have urgency for whatever that's worth.
00:23:44
The Kings were confusing team in that way.
00:23:46
But even if the Portland Trailblazers probably a little bit of urgency there, they feel pretty good about the moves they made and what they did in the bubble leading up to it.
00:23:54
Um, you know, interesting to see how how much they're attacking.
00:23:57
But I think Dame Lillard naturally brings that mentality.
00:24:00
So the Daimler led team, they're going to come out of a sense of urgency of saying we were in eighth seed.
00:24:05
How do we maybe get ourselves up into that five seed kind of conversation coming in with 35 wins dealing with market injury? Now you bring in Cantor's supplemental better defensive a***en on that team is, Well, you also brought in through that trade, which would give me a second here to remember the name getting over from getting Covington over, obviously, and bring him in there getting hood back into the mix.
00:24:28
So, you know, all of a sudden this has a really nice and right now, if you think about it, that's gonna be Carmelo Anthony's that Collins Nurkic and his cancer in those four or five you know, two categories there with the depth just really nice, really nice complimentary roster that moves the needle for them, and they probably come out with a relative sense of urgency around.
00:24:47
Let's make a statement that we are going to be a team all year long, not just at the back end of this thing.
00:24:53
Not we have a chance to get in.
00:24:54
We're in healthy, hoping to get the ball rolling early and often for ourselves.
00:24:58
So that's another team that kinda comes in that way.
00:25:02
And when we flip it over to the Eastern Conference here just briefly, we're talking about urgency again.
00:25:07
It's interesting a team that maybe shouldn't have urgency because they've been the number one seed year in and year out here the last couple of seasons, you know, and certainly dominated last year.
00:25:16
56 17 Milwaukee Bucks.
00:25:18
They've got some urgency.
00:25:20
They mess up the bag, the bag down of its trade.
00:25:23
They still get in Drew holiday.
00:25:24
How do these pieces fit? What the dynamic look like? And you know, Ken Bud, figure out the coaching piece of this to make sure that you don't have another fumble down the stretch.
00:25:33
So how confidently do they have to start the season or is it relatively? We feel good.
00:25:39
We're gonna make it in the playoffs.
00:25:40
We need to find our rhythm, figure out how we work together and build from there.
00:25:45
Uh, you know, other teams within the Eastern Conference to jump out at me? Probably Maybe the Philadelphia 76 years, though a lot of moving parts there.
00:25:51
I just think the relative history for them has been disappointing.
00:25:54
Brooklyn doesn't need to do it.
00:25:55
They got all the time in the world to get Kevin Durant in Kyrie, Irving and all these pieces together on the court.
00:26:01
I could argue sense of urgency for for Bill and John Wall, if that's how that stands.
00:26:06
Pat in Washington, they're both healthy.
00:26:09
They come back, need to come out the gates looking pretty strong, even if it's only on the offensive end because you're two of the better players in the league.
00:26:16
Off injury.
00:26:17
John Walsum curiosities there, obviously, but two of the better players in the league need to be that type of C J.
00:26:23
McCollum, Dame Lillard, John Wall, Bradley Beal.
00:26:27
Kind of dynamic that that's That's the kind of bar I think you need to set for them as well.
00:26:31
So that's an interesting one.
00:26:32
And then maybe even arguably the Atlanta Hawks.
00:26:35
You make some moves, Remember, you're 20 and 40.
00:26:37
17 last year, and now you're gonna come in.
00:26:40
You make a lot of moves, you spend a lot of money, and now you're talking about having along with trade young and herder in the backcourt, you get Bogdanovich, John Collins, Clint Capela.
00:26:49
You have Gallinari there.
00:26:50
Um, you know, there's some things you bring in.
00:26:53
You bring in Rajon Rondo as well.
00:26:55
Is that veteran presence in behind them? Some defensive upside there, Obviously, as well.
00:26:59
So it's interesting.
00:27:01
The dynamic is out there for all of these teams that when you start to walk into a season, it's relative thio What it looked like last year, what the expectations were, the moves that you made in this off season and where you're setting the bar for yourself coming into the year when you're championship or bust, you tend to not have toe worry as much about it.
00:27:23
The cost can come like the Clippers showing up a little bit small, looking a little bit out of sync, not quite being ready For the moment, however, you want to describe it, the bubble goes arrived for them, and it's because they really they were.
00:27:34
They were kind of mitigating minutes throughout the year and keeping Kawhi Leonard fresh and watching those knees, etcetera.
00:27:41
All of a sudden, the continuity is not there, and they just don't look like a dangerous team in the playoff bubble.
00:27:47
Then you look at these other teams that showed well, and now it may be raised that bar.
00:27:52
But did they do enough draft and free agent in order to supplement a quality bubble appearance and really take that next leap going forward? So that's a curiosity for me across the league with a lot of these teams and if you are one of them and you could even throw the Charlotte Hornets into this, By the way, when we talk about those teams that made a move, if you're going to go ahead and spend spend, you know, four year contract there on a guy like Hayward, there's expectations.
00:28:20
Now.
00:28:21
I mean, it's not necessarily maybe not external, but its internal.
00:28:23
You've set an expectation here for a team that only won 23 games last year.
00:28:28
Now you're gonna give yourself Hayward there.
00:28:31
Maybe you talk about being ahead of bridges now.
00:28:34
So now bridges can move into maybe a more comfortable second unit role.
00:28:38
How does that dynamic play out? Has that impacted? You drafted? Jalen McDaniels, You have Cody Zeller.
00:28:44
You have PJ Washington.
00:28:45
It's not, You know the best.
00:28:47
I'll say, uh, in terms of your starting Biggs there at the four of the five.
00:28:51
And then you still have Terry Rozier and Davante Grams, you know, And by the way and right now, listen in that order.
00:28:56
Excuse me, is this depth chart Probably not up to snuff Lemelle A ball is going to be in there.
00:29:00
So you have young dynamic.
00:29:02
You brought in what you think is a known veteran commodity lead this unit.
00:29:06
There's expectations.
00:29:07
That's a team that finished with 23 wins last year and cannot afford to be seven and 13 over their 1st 20.
00:29:16
They they probably cannot afford to do it.
00:29:18
This has to be a team that establishes itself, and we think about the Eastern Conference.
00:29:22
This has to be a unit that establishes itself very clearly.
00:29:26
Member.
00:29:27
They narrowly missed being in that eighth kind of seed around the Orlando Magic who didn't do much and don't look better and I think will be worse.
00:29:32
Um, you know, and there's not a lot of teams that tumble all the way out of that top seven tier.
00:29:37
We know Brooklyn's gonna be moving up, but the 17th seeds are up for grabs.
00:29:41
Ish will say, depending on how some things rise and fall.
00:29:43
But at least that last seed is.
00:29:46
If you're the Charlotte Hornets, you probably have to look at it and say, That's ours to take.
00:29:51
Wizards are a bit of a mystery.
00:29:52
Don't know what they're gonna look like, right? The Chicago Bulls did some things new coach.
00:29:57
I like them.
00:29:58
They're a little bit of my dark horse candidate, But is that a year away from really seeing that developed? The Knicks are young.
00:30:04
They're gonna have the work.
00:30:05
I don't know what the Pistons deal is per se, and then the Hawks were mixed in.
00:30:09
There is they could be a real riser.
00:30:11
But if you're the Charlotte Hornets like this is make the playoff move, that that's what this was.
00:30:16
This was.
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We get Hayward, we believe in our young players.
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We drafted ball.
00:30:20
We're going to the playoffs this year in the Eastern Conference.
00:30:23
Anything short of that and anything short of kind of checking the boxes As you move through the early phases of this season, it's going to start to be a concern.
00:30:31
There's going to be questions asked.
00:30:33
And then there could come to a point where you think about some of these pieces outside of Hey, will you commit the big money to outside of ball who you just brought in? What's package Herbal? What's movable? How do we find a way to bring in another piece here to ensure that we are staring down the barrel off the playoffs in the Eastern Conference at the end of this season? Because otherwise every year, thereafter, the Hayward piece. But it looks worse.
00:30:57
The contract looks that much worse.
00:30:58
The question marks around the young pieces and who's good and who's bad and who fits with who.
00:31:02
It's not dissimilar to the pelicans without Simon Williams and how are you gonna fit these pieces together and what complements what you got back this big hole from the Lakers? How does it all fit together.
00:31:13
Um, you know, you had a veteran holiday.
00:31:15
He's now gone.
00:31:16
So they've gone in a different direction in terms of how they want to build around the youth.
00:31:21
Whereas the Hornets have reverse engineered this thing in a lot of ways and said, We want to try to bring in that veteran piece that's going to compliment all the young talent that we have on the roster.
00:31:34
So obviously something to keep an eye on as we think about the other ball there in Lonzo in, uh, in the New Orleans Pelicans roster there with Bledsoe and Ingram and Zion.
00:31:44
Now they bring in Stephen Adams.
00:31:46
I mean, you know, how is that dynamic gonna look? So they bring in a veteran, but they bring in that veteran at a big position, and hopefully it allows Zion Williams Williamson.
00:31:54
Excuse me.
00:31:55
A little bit more freedom and a little less expectation around needing to do certain things on the boards with consistency, because I just saw as dynamic as he looked and listen.
00:32:04
Sky's the limit for this kid, but you just saw how he looks.
00:32:07
That's small.
00:32:08
You know. He's thick.
00:32:09
He's not enormous.
00:32:10
He doesn't have, you know, enormous height, and you kind of want to mitigate how much pressure you need to put on his body.
00:32:15
So you bring in a veteran who has done nothing but put pressure on his body and Steven Adams to hopefully alleviate some of that off of Zion as well.
00:32:23
A shoutout toe.
00:32:24
Oh, glass.
00:32:25
If maybe Ogi laugh, it's hard to say thank you for checking in on the block.
00:32:30
Uh, for you, sir or ma'am, we wrap this one up.
00:32:35
We took a look around the league obviously took a look the Golden State Warriors and what could be a second difficult year for them as they try to tweak the roster and not fully strip it down? What might things look for them over the course? And where do the expectations lie for a lot of Western and Eastern Conference teams, both at the top and the back end off the rankings as they entered this season? Having made moves and having said we believe X, whatever that standard expectation is, that's the one we're going to start to judge them by.
00:33:06
At the very least, though, it's exciting just to be ableto to be building towards as well get into December.
00:33:12
Well, im those little mini training camps.
00:33:14
Hopefully everything goes smoothly in that regard and then into it.
00:33:18
We go a couple of preseason games for some teams, up to four for others.
00:33:21
And then obviously that restart on December 22nd.
00:33:24
I will be right back in here tomorrow morning with Matt Brooks breaking down all things N b a.
00:33:30
You can find us myself.
00:33:31
Matt Brooks, Keith McPherson, Simeon Russell, all the guys on the N b A crew using hashtag s CNN BA And, of course, follow them.
00:33:39
Doing all of their channels can see me as the season kicks off doing.
00:33:46
We've got Nets coverage here will be doing the play by play live look ins on the game.
00:33:50
You can join them for that, hopefully lining up some ah, guest to pop in throughout the course of the broadcast as well.
00:33:56
So stay tuned for all that.
00:33:58
But most importantly, tomorrow morning, 10 30 Matt Brooks and myself right back here doing the darn thing.
00:34:03
Until then, we thank you for checking in with us and we will catch up with you soon.
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Warriors’ Stephen Curry reflects on missing NBA bubble, watching Lakers win NBA title

The Golden State Warriors previously came off a Finals appearance in the 2018-2019 season against the Toronto Raptors to which they succumbed in six games. A year later, the team was nowhere to be found in the playoff race as their campaign was marred by Stephen Curry’s hand injury and Klay Thompson’s torn ACL injury. […]

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00:00:05
And with that, we welcome you back into SportsCastr news MBA side of things where, of course I am.
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Adam arm wrecked.
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And there is no Keith McPherson enjoying some much deserved holiday rest.
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So he will be back in ah, starting next weekend over on the SportsCastr news NFL side of things as he breaks down the Sunday slate of games along with Ray Route and Joe Nuvo.
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So be sure to check him out over there before today.
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It is me flying solo, and we want to take a look out there in the Western Conference.
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Obviously, it was a bad season last year for the Golden State Warriors, as far as expectations dealt with a ton of injuries.
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And then we know we're coming right back in here with potentially another big loss and confirmed big loss in Clay Thompson and more uncer*****y around this season.
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Before we do get into that, though, there is a little footnote around the MBA on that is Donovan Mitchell signing his extension with the Utah Jazz going to go ahead and get him that Max guarantee contract extension 163 million so that you lock up the young star, and it's interesting just to think about them.
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In the general landscape of the N B A and how you know, there was a time just last season during the regular season pre shutdown with the conversations around Rudy Gobert and and how they were fitting or meshing or not fitting together on what that relationship look like now.
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They had a relatively strong performance, even though they were up 31 in the playoffs and ultimately lost.
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You have to certainly look at them and say they took a step forward in the bubble for this franchise.
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They have to feel pretty good about where they are coming in.
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The question mark now becomes, though really still around that relationship, regardless of whether or not it's healthy.
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Can you look at Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell and say, This is a tandem that we feel confident in going forward beyond the contract for Rudy Gobert? What does it look like for Rudy Gobert? Are they going to retain him? UH, a center, a big with his skill set, defensive minded and one who's getting up over 30 you wonder when does that drop off start to come When do you lose some of that mobility? Some of that quickness, some of that weak side defense? All those little things that make Rudy Gobert and it made him such a strong player over the course of his career as those start to diminish.
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Then what are you going to pivot Thio when you're the Utah Jazz and you think about the future with Donovan Mitchell? Because I love Donovan.
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Mitchell is a player.
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Matt Brooks and I have talked about this, Ah, handful of times going all the way back to last season, and when that conflict was coming up between them, who would you prefer to keep? What's your best bet going forward? And it's a weird thing to think about possibly moving at the time we say, What would you maybe consider moving Donovan Mitchell? Just because what you have in Rudy Gobert and in terms of a small window, when is it going to close? Would making a move now and getting the most out of Rudy Gobert be the most beneficial to the Utah Jazz? As opposed to what the long term might look like and having to make adjustments, having to tweet that roster at some point down the road because they brought back Derrick favors this offseason.
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Um, you know, it's a nice It's a nice backup big toe have on the roster.
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Obviously, he's not a terrible need a needle mover.
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But now, when you look across this roster, they also have Bogdanovich and on this roster as well returning.
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We know, you know, you feel pretty good about what they have.
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It's still gonna be Mike Connolly.
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They brought back Jordan Clarkson.
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So it was a relatively stand pat kind of off season for the Utah Jazz.
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And then the question kind of becomes, well, what does that look like in the landscape of the West? Because this is the last thing that we talked about.
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I believe on Thursday.
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Yeah, What about Thursday? Thanksgiving morning got on with Matt Brooks, and we talked about the idea of when you look out West who are the rising and falling teams over there.
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Um, and this is the issue l A got better.
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Clippers arguably got better, adding Ibaka, you know, little tweaks, not, not necessarily, you know, massive jumps, but still probably got better, probably overall going to be a better team they were last year.
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He wouldn't just be better in terms of going to get to the playoffs.
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And then you have the Denver Nuggets.
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Um, you know, you can say that.
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They're that they're still where they're at, but you have Jamal Murray taking his leap.
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What do you think about Porter Jr and how he's going to evolve? So do you think that team is young? They're exciting on.
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Obviously, when you have the Joker, you feel pretty strong about your baseline there.
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The Houston Rockets are an interesting one cause they go out and get Christian.
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Would they still have James Harden? They still have Westbrook.
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So as it stands right now, you're talking about a team that was a foresee last year in the Western Conference.
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And we know how muddled it is.
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44 wins.
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That's right there with okay, see, with the Jazz one ahead of the Dallas Mavericks in the seventh spot.
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But they're still going to be as they're constructed right now, they're going to be a competitive team, and even when they move on, it's something that Matt highlighted on Thursday.
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Even when they move on from this from maybe from, say, James Harden.
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If even if you keep Westbrook the tandem and complement that he creates with Christian would like this can still be an interesting, exciting, dynamic team even post James Harden trade.
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We really have to respect them now.
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What is it gonna look like overall in terms off, You know the quality of play once you make that move, that that's to be decided, right? But I and by the way, low key picking up DeMarcus cousins as well.
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You know, if Boogie could get back anything close to his form, it's another layer deeper they have to feel pretty good about have Sterling Brown, their in depth as well.
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So there, you know that's a team that Are they going to be a four seed? Probably not.
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But are they still going to be in the mix there, competing? Yes.
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And again, if you keep them intact, I It's gonna be very interesting very high on Christian would I think he compliments inside with that current roster right now.
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Very well, and it also creates flexibility if you're gonna keep him on that roster, and P.
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J.
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Tucker just having a veteran presence that You don't necessarily have to run out there at the five.
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The way you work in a big shifts there, though, in terms of type of offense, they're running without D'Antoni at the helm anymore.
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But that being the case for the Utah Jazz, listen, Okay, See, they'll be fun to watch.
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Um, I don't know what the expectations they're going to be losing Chris Paul.
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Obviously, they also moved on from Steven Adams.
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So now you're talking about SG A out there with Diyala with door with Baizley.
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They bring in Al Horford, You get Trevor arreaza? Possibly.
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I'm not sure if the reasons there could be on Detroit, he's bounced around a lot.
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Then you also bring in George Hill.
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So you know, there's a loss of CP three. Big, obviously.
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But can this team still be in the mix around the back end of the Western Conference? I think so.
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I think they're still gonna be an interesting team to keep an eye on.
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So, you know, when you talk about where the Jazz are in that hierarchy, you've got the Mavericks who are seven seed last year.
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They're gonna be there or better.
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You're talking about the Portland Trailblazers, who added all defensive nice defensive complimentary pieces to help make them better.
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They're going to be a better team member.
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Only 35 wins last year but dealing with injuries to Nurkic throughout the course of the season.
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Get him back in the bubble.
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You have to think that you feel pretty good about them moving up the list.
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The Phoenix Suns getting CP three.
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Yes, they move up the list.
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So all of a sudden, if you're the Utah Jazz, you were a succeed.
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You know it's not.
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But in the Western Conference, it's gonna be hard.
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You know, the hierarchy is going to be interesting to see how it shakes out.
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I think the Dallas Mavericks taken immediate big leap forward out there.
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And then how does it impact all the other hierarchies of these teams there? So, just something to think about.
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They signed the extensions.
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We say hello to move.
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Oh, my God.
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I love that.
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That handle just rolls off the tongue.
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Thanks for coming on the broadcast, but something keeping eye on.
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You signed the extension.
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You have him locked up.
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But this you know I don't want to put it into any bad categories.
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I'm been a fan of Russell Westbrook.
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I understand, um, you know what he gives or doesn't give you in terms of wins and losses and the value of a player like him.
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But I wonder if Jonathan Mitchell could be going somewhat in that direction following the goal.
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Really Gobert era Because you have to make sure you draft well.
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You have to make sure you shift assets so you can bring in fresh bodies to play alongside Donovan Mitchell.
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Because if not, you're smaller market team.
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You're not just automatically gonna attract free agents Now.
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If you have the capital, you can at least go ahead and say, Hey, will over pay for it and make sure that we bring quality in that being the case, Steph Curry has been in the news.
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The Golden State Warriors have been in the news.
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They took wise, been there in the draft.
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They also end up with Kelly Uber via trade.
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So some moving pieces here in parts they still have Wiggins on this roster.
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What is the expectations around this team who has no where's near the playoff picture? Uh, this last time around here, obviously dealing with all their injuries.
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But Clay Thompson goes down again.
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You're not gonna have him.
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You have, ah, Draymond Green, who maybe is aging before our eyes, and you don't know what the quality of his players specifically, maybe offensively, is to become just a net neutral there.
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And you need to really lock in on the defensive end to give you quality that that that's possibly the case.
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But when asked about Steph Curry that is talking about what he would have felt like right to see the bubble unfold without them being involved because it's different than not only not being in the playoffs saying dealing with those injuries, but more because this is a restart.
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There's a playing games and you get it and there's injuries and everything else, but and you were out there before and you could have come back, etcetera.
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It's just a difficult spot to be put in.
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So initially, just on the restart of the bubble, Curry did say, He said, You know, not being a part of the bubble to start was difficult.
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22 teams out there grinding and ready to restart, and there we are, the Golden State Warriors just sitting at home.
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But it did kind of died down a little bit once it got going.
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You just missed being out there and in that fight and they haven't watched, as he says, haven't had toe watch the playoffs from afar in six years.
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So it's been a long time since he didn't have that thing of going to the playoffs and competing right.
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We always talk about LeBron James and his long run.
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Missed it with his first year with Ella, Obviously, um, but you start to get an expectation, and it's good toe happen, right? The expectation of what we think we're going to see and what we expect to see from our team on a year to year basis.
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So obviously that was difficulty went on to talk about L.
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A and is obviously amazing with Davis and a D and what they accomplished it and essentially all those kind of generalities off.
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You appreciate seeing guys like them win.
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Obviously, you also want to get into the bubble.
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You're into the playoffs again.
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Excuse me for themselves and then we'll just the tip of the hat when we talk about the bubble in general and what it took right, go back.
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I'm trying to remember the 160 180 days I think we got up there and 120 ish somewhere around.
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I think a third of a year is what we ended up coming up to in terms of going back to the bubble, the restart playing all the way through the final.
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So there's obviously a commitment there and being away from family and what that meant.
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So from afar, Steph Curry could understand and see that.
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And then you talk about the addition of a Kelly uber and the draft of Weissman and what this means for this roster Now, Steph Curry said it speaks to the organization's commitment.
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Try to put together the best roster out their new.
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We're going to be aggressive in free agency even without Clay's injury, but became more sense of urgency to get the right talented guys in here and he looks at Kelly Uber and thanks to listen to the guys in the league five years ready to take that next leap.
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Hopes that they have the right pieces within the organization toe.
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Help him unlock that next level of his game.
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And if there's a team that you think is capable of doing that, the Golden State Warriors will be a great sample size to look at it when you talk about Andrew Wiggins and the deal that they went through their Excuse me, um, you know, you can take a look at a couple elements to it, right? What do we see from him? That is Andrew Wiggins that we hadn't seen in years prior.
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And I mean, even just the baseline that we're that we're talking about here still played 34 minutes for 33 34 minutes when he came over the Golden State.
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Now he Onley ended up.
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You end up getting a relatively small sample size there, but you're talking about a guy that knocked down 45% from the field, nearly 46 that goes back to his first couple of seasons, 46% in 2015 16.
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So that was strong.
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You talk about the three point shooting and whether or not that was getting better, he's a career 33% basically lived in that area.
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So maybe that's just the net result that you're going to get free throw numbers again.
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Nothing to write home about.
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Um, this is the problem.
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May be that you think about now The caveat here is you didn't have the full complement.
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The problem is, you're not gonna have the full complement.
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So Ken Wiggins be any better? You know, the contract obviously is brutal, but he comes.
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He come over.
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And you Are you essentially who you've been and or is it going to look any more dynamic or any different? When you get onto the Golden State Warriors? It may not be the case.
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Now, Will it look different when we talk about the draft picks when we talk about Kelly uber? Because now you're also getting into the idea of what can you baby on this roster? And how might that look? At least alongside Steph Curry, Draymond green Weismann? And then you're even gonna throw Wiggins into that mix as it stands right now it's curry.
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Wiggins, you break green and Weissman, that's who's going.
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You're gonna come out there with first you have Peschel, that you had it in their behind them.
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Damian Lee, you know? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't wanna maker which I think is a nice supplemental.
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Add, by the way, coming over from the Celtics, I don't mind that at all.
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Um, but what were your expectations for Wiggins with Clay Thompson, Steph Curry, Draymond green in the cast? And how does it shift when you take out Clay Thompson and you add in Kelly uber, right? Can you still expect Kelly you bray to be a relatively comparable, even if it's on one end of the floor or other? Probably not.
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And this is where it gets a little bit tricky because one of the things that everyone keeps pointing to is You don't want to forget about the Golden State Warriors just, ah, year removed, right? But the only other thing we don't know about it.
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Matt Brooks and I have talked about this, uh, say length, but we touched on a number of times.
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We say, Hey, Thio Brewers fan 30.
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The issue that you wonder about is what's the age threshold here? When are we going to see a little bit of you know? Some of the little things start to come away, whether it's from a Draymond green, whether it is from Steph Curry because he starts to lose even just a threat of a step in terms of his quickness on what does that cost him offensively, in terms of just getting into the lane and then opening up that three point shooting? Listen, he's too young to really look at it and say, there's a fear of that happening sooner than later.
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And yet you at least have to acknowledge that the team it's court has gotten older.
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Gonna be without Klay Thompson again for this year.
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When you look at Kelly Uber and we talk about that 45% field goal percentage of the 35 from deep, that's probably the number you circle the most right three point shots, especially when you think about replacing a guy like Klay Thompson.
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Especially when you think about replacing that three point shooting as well from him, two for roughly every 5.
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5 attempts that he put up there this past season in Phoenix.
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If you could open that up for him in the same way that Clay Thompson benefits from it, then you're talking about him may be getting better, easier looks than he had in the past.
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If you can do that, by the way, the 35% is a career high for in this past season.
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Now you start to move the needle for May in terms of replacing in some form or fashion that Clay Thompson minutes.
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Now there's a world where we talk about Kelly.
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You're just being a hold for the Golden State Warriors to move at the deadline.
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But that's what I think about Wiggins, too.
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So it's just your in this weird confluence of what it's once Clay Thompson goes down.
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Now, if you're the Golden State Warriors, it's This is the weird push and pull.
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You have an older still, it's still good still at the prime.
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Uh, in Steph Curry, you have an older Draymond green with a little bit of a question mark there.
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Now you have no Clay Thompson.
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Are you more inclined to be going for it like you would in a normal season this year? Or as the trade deadline approaches? Are you going to be open depending on where you're sitting to move somebody? If you do that, are you going to subject Steph Curry and Draymond Green to more wear and tear down the last 35 30 games of a season make a little bit less in the modified 72 games stretch here in terms of where the trade deadline will be.
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But are you gonna subjective than that? Are you going to put them out there and say, We're going to go ahead and run you out there after we trade away uber to get some more draft capital after we trade away someone like a Wiggins for whatever his value is or is not? That's a question mark, and that's why it's not unlike when you look what we talked about the Houston there at the top. It's not.
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It's a little bit not too similar to that of Hey, what are you looking to do? Here you go out.
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You sign Christian would if you move on from a James Harden.
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Well, what does it look like behind that? Because if you keep Westbrook, let's say, because just because you're not gonna get what you want in return for him, what does that look like if you hold until the trade deadline? But now, if you're sitting there is a six.
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Seed is a five seed in the Western Conference or you gonna pull the plug on that scene, that these guys were playing well together and maybe building that chemistry? It's likewise for Golden State.
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Wherever they're gonna end up in that hierarchy, you have to at least look at it and say, Is the trade deadline approaches? What are we looking at here? Are we, uh, seven seed? Let's say or we have five.
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Maybe we're five seats somewhere in there, right? Somewhere in that 5 to 7 range, maybe.
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What does it mean for us? Is it enough? Is it important enough for us in this year for Steph Curry to get himself back into the playoffs with Draymond Green and this cast? Because I can say you're gonna get yourself some nice playoff minutes for Kelly uber.
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If he's on the roster, you're going to get some for the rookie Weissman.
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You're going to get some Mawr for Wiggins.
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You know you're going to be able to get some valuable reps as I've talked about as a Brooklyn Nets guy these last two years, Bubble included.
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You got playoff reps.
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There's only two.
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Siri's went really quick for the Nets, but Spencer Dinwiddie, Caris Levert, Jared Allen, Joe Harris.
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All these guys got their first taste of the last two seasons off playoff basketball, so that could be an important part important step for the for the Golden State Warriors.
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I think the disappointing thing for them is the idea was, Hey, if we turn around and get back, Clay and Stephan Dream on and we draft Weitzman and we have Wiggins, we feel like watch out, we're gonna be right back where we were.
00:18:28
Now there is the loss of Kevin Durant effect on the roster as well that you know it's almost easy to forget it because of the injuries.
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And then Durant moves but doesn't play the following season with Brooklyn, so you kinda have that little thread gets stretched out there.
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We don't know what this team entirely looks like.
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Post Kevin Durant era.
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We think back to the pre Kevin Durant era, but that's a number of years ago now.
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So where does everybody fit into this? And as you see what the injury to Clay Thompson? Uh, you know, that's that's the concern here now is these guys start to get a little bit older, so it's gonna be weird.
00:19:01
Interesting.
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I should rather say at the trade deadline how Golden State approaches it.
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You know, Are they going to look to flip these assets, or are they committed to it? And you can look at this by the way, across the board here, just in terms of, of where teams are as they enter the season.
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And then as they approach the trade deadline, you know, determining what your goals are at the start of the year.
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So as the example right.
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If you want to just flush out Wiggins again if you want to flesh out Kelly, you break.
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If you want to think about how that looks with him and with Clay Thompson in the future, you could go into the season very clean.
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If you're Golden State and say we're just going to assess what we have in our roster.
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And now we're gonna push that timeline back one year and say next season is the big year.
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We get all these guys back and we see how all the pieces fit.
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If you're a team, however, like the Clippers, you're in a go now mode, right? You have a disappointing showing you fire your head coach.
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You turn things over a little bit.
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You bring in a new player in.
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Ibaka has a connection to quiet Leonard, but But you have to come out of the You have to come out making a real statement come Christmas Day, December 22nd, when the season gets started, you have to come out with a commitment of what we're going to do, how we're going to do it.
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This is us finding our rhythm very early in the season.
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So there's different dynamics at play in terms of how teams need to approach it.
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Likewise, for the for the L A Lakers last year, LeBron on this bit of a mission statement, right, proving some things to the league on their way to winning a title, ultimately in the bubble.
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But now, this year, when a team like that goes out in the and the free agency market and through, they picked up a draft pick a well, but most importantly through free agency.
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When you go and look at that roster now and all of a sudden think about the idea that you moved on from a you moved on from a Dwight Howard And now you're talking about LeBron James.
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You bring in a Schroeder now, is he going to be a starter for you? That's a little bit different role than what he was doing last year, but still an improvement at that guard position for you.
00:21:05
You still have kcp you bring in.
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You have Markieff Morris there, and then you bring in Marc Gasol.
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And the interesting thing about that is, now they're saying we're gonna have a perimeter shot from our five from our big right.
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And in doing that, you give yourself trump a tremendously different looking team.
00:21:21
Ah, different dynamic on offense and one that you can pace your way through.
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Once again, figure out your rhythm, find the balance on this roster throughout the course of the season and then be ready to go for another big playoff push.
00:21:34
Meanwhile, sending out the memo to the league Hey, everything that we did with our bigs last year is going to look drastically different this year.
00:21:41
And that's just entirely new wrinkle that every other team in the league is going to figure out.
00:21:45
And the Lakers get to approach this year slow and steady.
00:21:48
Let's find our rhythm.
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Let's get into it.
00:21:50
Other teams don't have that type of luxury.
00:21:53
And I was thinking about just over in the Western Conference.
00:21:55
Overall, if we take a look at some of these teams, you think about the Jazz, the Jazz and no more, no more or less sense of urgency.
00:22:05
I think they're just gonna come out and play their game and and see how things shake out.
00:22:10
But if I look in the Western Conference, said the Clippers and they're gonna have some urgency around them, I think the Phoenix Suns we're gonna have a little bit of urgency around them because right out of the gate, you want to see that continuity now is CP three has an impact.
00:22:23
The roster.
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You've you've moved on from Kelly Uber because you saw how you could get by without him.
00:22:28
Essentially, what does that look like for them? But they need to hit the ground running because this is a team again.
00:22:33
That was in the spectrum of being able to play in there for the bubble 34 39 though, So what does C P threes impact look like? How do we get ourselves into that 40 40 to kind of wind category that puts us into the seventh.
00:22:47
See the eighth seed in those kind of conversations.
00:22:50
Oklahoma City.
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They're gonna fall out.
00:22:52
Not urgency developing there, I think.
00:22:54
But Memphis Grizzlies? Likewise, they miss out on a big opportunity.
00:22:58
The bubble finished with just 34 winds.
00:23:00
There's some sense of urgency there to showcase that you are progressing in the right direction here.
00:23:06
When you look at that roster, you know you have Mirant.
00:23:09
You have Brooks alongside of him.
00:23:11
You know Valanciunas Jackson Jr at the murky one for May and the Grizzlies or the kind of team that I don't know 100% if I'm approaching with confidence coming into this year, or am I looking at it as a really young, talented player that's gonna find himself on the outside looking in of the Western Conference specifically because to, uh, urgency takes on different forms? I think the Kings have urgency.
00:23:34
They signed White side.
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I don't know what they're gonna look like.
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It wasn't a great offseason for them, you know, from that standpoint, necessarily.
00:23:41
But they should have urgency for whatever that's worth.
00:23:44
The Kings were confusing team in that way.
00:23:46
But even if the Portland Trailblazers probably a little bit of urgency there, they feel pretty good about the moves they made and what they did in the bubble leading up to it.
00:23:54
Um, you know, interesting to see how how much they're attacking.
00:23:57
But I think Dame Lillard naturally brings that mentality.
00:24:00
So the Daimler led team, they're going to come out of a sense of urgency of saying we were in eighth seed.
00:24:05
How do we maybe get ourselves up into that five seed kind of conversation coming in with 35 wins dealing with market injury? Now you bring in Cantor's supplemental better defensive a***en on that team is, Well, you also brought in through that trade, which would give me a second here to remember the name getting over from getting Covington over, obviously, and bring him in there getting hood back into the mix.
00:24:28
So, you know, all of a sudden this has a really nice and right now, if you think about it, that's gonna be Carmelo Anthony's that Collins Nurkic and his cancer in those four or five you know, two categories there with the depth just really nice, really nice complimentary roster that moves the needle for them, and they probably come out with a relative sense of urgency around.
00:24:47
Let's make a statement that we are going to be a team all year long, not just at the back end of this thing.
00:24:53
Not we have a chance to get in.
00:24:54
We're in healthy, hoping to get the ball rolling early and often for ourselves.
00:24:58
So that's another team that kinda comes in that way.
00:25:02
And when we flip it over to the Eastern Conference here just briefly, we're talking about urgency again.
00:25:07
It's interesting a team that maybe shouldn't have urgency because they've been the number one seed year in and year out here the last couple of seasons, you know, and certainly dominated last year.
00:25:16
56 17 Milwaukee Bucks.
00:25:18
They've got some urgency.
00:25:20
They mess up the bag, the bag down of its trade.
00:25:23
They still get in Drew holiday.
00:25:24
How do these pieces fit? What the dynamic look like? And you know, Ken Bud, figure out the coaching piece of this to make sure that you don't have another fumble down the stretch.
00:25:33
So how confidently do they have to start the season or is it relatively? We feel good.
00:25:39
We're gonna make it in the playoffs.
00:25:40
We need to find our rhythm, figure out how we work together and build from there.
00:25:45
Uh, you know, other teams within the Eastern Conference to jump out at me? Probably Maybe the Philadelphia 76 years, though a lot of moving parts there.
00:25:51
I just think the relative history for them has been disappointing.
00:25:54
Brooklyn doesn't need to do it.
00:25:55
They got all the time in the world to get Kevin Durant in Kyrie, Irving and all these pieces together on the court.
00:26:01
I could argue sense of urgency for for Bill and John Wall, if that's how that stands.
00:26:06
Pat in Washington, they're both healthy.
00:26:09
They come back, need to come out the gates looking pretty strong, even if it's only on the offensive end because you're two of the better players in the league.
00:26:16
Off injury.
00:26:17
John Walsum curiosities there, obviously, but two of the better players in the league need to be that type of C J.
00:26:23
McCollum, Dame Lillard, John Wall, Bradley Beal.
00:26:27
Kind of dynamic that that's That's the kind of bar I think you need to set for them as well.
00:26:31
So that's an interesting one.
00:26:32
And then maybe even arguably the Atlanta Hawks.
00:26:35
You make some moves, Remember, you're 20 and 40.
00:26:37
17 last year, and now you're gonna come in.
00:26:40
You make a lot of moves, you spend a lot of money, and now you're talking about having along with trade young and herder in the backcourt, you get Bogdanovich, John Collins, Clint Capela.
00:26:49
You have Gallinari there.
00:26:50
Um, you know, there's some things you bring in.
00:26:53
You bring in Rajon Rondo as well.
00:26:55
Is that veteran presence in behind them? Some defensive upside there, Obviously, as well.
00:26:59
So it's interesting.
00:27:01
The dynamic is out there for all of these teams that when you start to walk into a season, it's relative thio What it looked like last year, what the expectations were, the moves that you made in this off season and where you're setting the bar for yourself coming into the year when you're championship or bust, you tend to not have toe worry as much about it.
00:27:23
The cost can come like the Clippers showing up a little bit small, looking a little bit out of sync, not quite being ready For the moment, however, you want to describe it, the bubble goes arrived for them, and it's because they really they were.
00:27:34
They were kind of mitigating minutes throughout the year and keeping Kawhi Leonard fresh and watching those knees, etcetera.
00:27:41
All of a sudden, the continuity is not there, and they just don't look like a dangerous team in the playoff bubble.
00:27:47
Then you look at these other teams that showed well, and now it may be raised that bar.
00:27:52
But did they do enough draft and free agent in order to supplement a quality bubble appearance and really take that next leap going forward? So that's a curiosity for me across the league with a lot of these teams and if you are one of them and you could even throw the Charlotte Hornets into this, By the way, when we talk about those teams that made a move, if you're going to go ahead and spend spend, you know, four year contract there on a guy like Hayward, there's expectations.
00:28:20
Now.
00:28:21
I mean, it's not necessarily maybe not external, but its internal.
00:28:23
You've set an expectation here for a team that only won 23 games last year.
00:28:28
Now you're gonna give yourself Hayward there.
00:28:31
Maybe you talk about being ahead of bridges now.
00:28:34
So now bridges can move into maybe a more comfortable second unit role.
00:28:38
How does that dynamic play out? Has that impacted? You drafted? Jalen McDaniels, You have Cody Zeller.
00:28:44
You have PJ Washington.
00:28:45
It's not, You know the best.
00:28:47
I'll say, uh, in terms of your starting Biggs there at the four of the five.
00:28:51
And then you still have Terry Rozier and Davante Grams, you know, And by the way and right now, listen in that order.
00:28:56
Excuse me, is this depth chart Probably not up to snuff Lemelle A ball is going to be in there.
00:29:00
So you have young dynamic.
00:29:02
You brought in what you think is a known veteran commodity lead this unit.
00:29:06
There's expectations.
00:29:07
That's a team that finished with 23 wins last year and cannot afford to be seven and 13 over their 1st 20.
00:29:16
They they probably cannot afford to do it.
00:29:18
This has to be a team that establishes itself, and we think about the Eastern Conference.
00:29:22
This has to be a unit that establishes itself very clearly.
00:29:26
Member.
00:29:27
They narrowly missed being in that eighth kind of seed around the Orlando Magic who didn't do much and don't look better and I think will be worse.
00:29:32
Um, you know, and there's not a lot of teams that tumble all the way out of that top seven tier.
00:29:37
We know Brooklyn's gonna be moving up, but the 17th seeds are up for grabs.
00:29:41
Ish will say, depending on how some things rise and fall.
00:29:43
But at least that last seed is.
00:29:46
If you're the Charlotte Hornets, you probably have to look at it and say, That's ours to take.
00:29:51
Wizards are a bit of a mystery.
00:29:52
Don't know what they're gonna look like, right? The Chicago Bulls did some things new coach.
00:29:57
I like them.
00:29:58
They're a little bit of my dark horse candidate, But is that a year away from really seeing that developed? The Knicks are young.
00:30:04
They're gonna have the work.
00:30:05
I don't know what the Pistons deal is per se, and then the Hawks were mixed in.
00:30:09
There is they could be a real riser.
00:30:11
But if you're the Charlotte Hornets like this is make the playoff move, that that's what this was.
00:30:16
This was.
00:30:17
We get Hayward, we believe in our young players.
00:30:19
We drafted ball.
00:30:20
We're going to the playoffs this year in the Eastern Conference.
00:30:23
Anything short of that and anything short of kind of checking the boxes As you move through the early phases of this season, it's going to start to be a concern.
00:30:31
There's going to be questions asked.
00:30:33
And then there could come to a point where you think about some of these pieces outside of Hey, will you commit the big money to outside of ball who you just brought in? What's package Herbal? What's movable? How do we find a way to bring in another piece here to ensure that we are staring down the barrel off the playoffs in the Eastern Conference at the end of this season? Because otherwise every year, thereafter, the Hayward piece. But it looks worse.
00:30:57
The contract looks that much worse.
00:30:58
The question marks around the young pieces and who's good and who's bad and who fits with who.
00:31:02
It's not dissimilar to the pelicans without Simon Williams and how are you gonna fit these pieces together and what complements what you got back this big hole from the Lakers? How does it all fit together.
00:31:13
Um, you know, you had a veteran holiday.
00:31:15
He's now gone.
00:31:16
So they've gone in a different direction in terms of how they want to build around the youth.
00:31:21
Whereas the Hornets have reverse engineered this thing in a lot of ways and said, We want to try to bring in that veteran piece that's going to compliment all the young talent that we have on the roster.
00:31:34
So obviously something to keep an eye on as we think about the other ball there in Lonzo in, uh, in the New Orleans Pelicans roster there with Bledsoe and Ingram and Zion.
00:31:44
Now they bring in Stephen Adams.
00:31:46
I mean, you know, how is that dynamic gonna look? So they bring in a veteran, but they bring in that veteran at a big position, and hopefully it allows Zion Williams Williamson.
00:31:54
Excuse me.
00:31:55
A little bit more freedom and a little less expectation around needing to do certain things on the boards with consistency, because I just saw as dynamic as he looked and listen.
00:32:04
Sky's the limit for this kid, but you just saw how he looks.
00:32:07
That's small.
00:32:08
You know. He's thick.
00:32:09
He's not enormous.
00:32:10
He doesn't have, you know, enormous height, and you kind of want to mitigate how much pressure you need to put on his body.
00:32:15
So you bring in a veteran who has done nothing but put pressure on his body and Steven Adams to hopefully alleviate some of that off of Zion as well.
00:32:23
A shoutout toe.
00:32:24
Oh, glass.
00:32:25
If maybe Ogi laugh, it's hard to say thank you for checking in on the block.
00:32:30
Uh, for you, sir or ma'am, we wrap this one up.
00:32:35
We took a look around the league obviously took a look the Golden State Warriors and what could be a second difficult year for them as they try to tweak the roster and not fully strip it down? What might things look for them over the course? And where do the expectations lie for a lot of Western and Eastern Conference teams, both at the top and the back end off the rankings as they entered this season? Having made moves and having said we believe X, whatever that standard expectation is, that's the one we're going to start to judge them by.
00:33:06
At the very least, though, it's exciting just to be ableto to be building towards as well get into December.
00:33:12
Well, im those little mini training camps.
00:33:14
Hopefully everything goes smoothly in that regard and then into it.
00:33:18
We go a couple of preseason games for some teams, up to four for others.
00:33:21
And then obviously that restart on December 22nd.
00:33:24
I will be right back in here tomorrow morning with Matt Brooks breaking down all things N b a.
00:33:30
You can find us myself.
00:33:31
Matt Brooks, Keith McPherson, Simeon Russell, all the guys on the N b A crew using hashtag s CNN BA And, of course, follow them.
00:33:39
Doing all of their channels can see me as the season kicks off doing.
00:33:46
We've got Nets coverage here will be doing the play by play live look ins on the game.
00:33:50
You can join them for that, hopefully lining up some ah, guest to pop in throughout the course of the broadcast as well.
00:33:56
So stay tuned for all that.
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But most importantly, tomorrow morning, 10 30 Matt Brooks and myself right back here doing the darn thing.
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Until then, we thank you for checking in with us and we will catch up with you soon.

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