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Um, we really, you know, dove in a little deep on what we feel about every single move.
But I don't know, man, when it comes Teoh a grade that you give the Knicks on a a B C D kind of scale or great scale.
What would you give it, or would you always get the team? Um, I mean, at the risk of sounding like a homer, I'll give it a solid B B plus, you know, I mean, um, I think in our last podcast, which are our viewers here could go listen to when we do drop it.
It's a great episode if we have do say so myself.
You know? I mean, I feel like we had a lot of lapse.
Uh um, definitely a good one for us to come back to after a little bit of a lay off for the holidays.
But as far as the Knicks are concerned, um, alright, I give it a B B plus just because, I mean, it's to be seen.
I guess what happens with Randall, you know? I mean, I feel like with all the moves we made so far, um, a lot of Knicks fans of thinking there's something else coming.
Um, I think it might be coming soon as you made a good point.
You know, just because training camp is right around the corner is like this week, basically.
So at this point, though, from what they've done so far, I gave it a B, you know? What about you? Yeah, I'd probably give, like a BB minus.
Um, I think we still might be one move away from the end of the off season, which the Knicks pretty much have, like, 48 hours to make.
And a lot of Knicks fans next Twitter are predicting, is gonna be one more move, especially with Julius Randle still on the team.
It doesn't look like this is a final product yet, but I think when you look back on the way, the Knicks have been performing in the off season from the past decade, even longer.
Two decades? Uh, you can't help but give this higher than what you normally give a team, but I think I think the most they may have been low key and savvy when you look at the Ed Davis moved specifically for Ed Davis, the legendary rebounder play player, uh, future Hall of Famer.
This man, God is too young players and three picks second round picks, but three picks nonetheless.
E think you thought, Did you think that Ed Davis had that kind of value in the league? Hell, no.
But apparently he's probably the greatest locker room guy of all time because the word out of Minnesota from their beat reporters was, um, D.
Angelo really loved at Davis when he was in Brooklyn on Pablo Prigioni, who was an assistant with Brooklyn who's assistant now in Minnesota, also love at Davis.
So they were just like I give him two young players in the second round pick for a 38 year old center on his last legs.
Or actually might be a little younger than that.
But, you know, no, no discredits at Davis. It's just wild.
Like I've been disbelief like you are.
We got three second round picks and two young players.
They might not be high end prospects, but that's a lot for at Davis.
You know, like your point.
So and the Jazz really gave us two second round picks just to shut away $5 million which that's nothing in the n B A.
But we still got it.
And it's like moves like that that the Knicks just didn't.
You wouldn't see.
Moves like that happened for the Knicks.
Um, I think the most recent move that I could think of that was a savvy is that was probably the Jerry in Grant trade.
We we traded Tim Hardaway for Grant and a first round pick.
I mean, not even say some more recent like credit to Scott Perry, who does get a lot of hate from a certain segment of Knicks fans like he traded Willy Hernangomez at its highest peak value for two picks from Charlotte.
And we didn't end up using one of those Charlotte picks because I think it was like 34 this year.
That somehow ended up 33 then we threw that the away for a 2023 pick.
But regardless, like, we wouldn't have been able to make that move without that savvy kind of move.
And I'm just looking at the headline right now.
This dude will he just signed a minimum contract.
You know, I mean, so way sold high.
And this man, Scott Perry, looks even better because at the time, it was a lot of Knicks fans, just like, how could we give away many Marc Gasol like, yo, pump the brakes.
Hey, was a nice young prospect all rookie second team, but yeah, I mean, to your point out, that probably was the last time we saw a savvy move like that with second round picks involved.
But yeah, that feels like a broccoli or summer like and that was, like so far.
Well, Brock Brock, all our fault kind of thing.
We're about to hit winter.
Yeah, point point stands.
We look like a solid team we have.
You know, we have the front office.
We're setting ourselves up to be good soon.
I know a lot of Knicks fans wanna be good now.
I think that's a fair point to make.
But I think highlight wise will be all right.
We'll get some nice highlights will be topping on the team.
We still got growing R.
Barrett and Mitchell Robinson and you know, guys like Nerlens Noel on the team and you and I both love the Noel signing.
I think that's a That's a ****ing A a signing right there.
That's signing so far.
I mean, do folks on a you know here are extended? Take on that.
You know? I mean, listen to our podcast, but for now, I just want to say it's a great signing just because in a you know, in a short, sweet kind of way, he just he make sure, is that like we have run protection and an AL you threat on the court for 48 minutes, whether it's him or Mitch together or like with Mitch and foul trouble, Noel takes over what I mean, So that's probably my favorite moves.
So far, Um, and to your point, about rebuilding the like Like you just said a lot of friends out there just wanna win now.
But, like, you know, Leon Rose is coming in, and we can't similarly, how I used to say you can't hold the sins of the Knicks past against Scott Perry.
Same principle applies to Leon Rose, who gives a **** if all this **** happened in the past and rebuild.
Clinical rebuild was a successful before.
This is Leon Rose's team now.
He never had a shot.
He had no effect on what happened in the past, you know? I mean, so he deserves a chance to if he wants to do rebuild.
And if it's if it's the same kind of moves and savviness that we displayed in this slide was a 22 week period, I'm all for it.
I mean, because looking at our roster right now, aside from the glaring presence of Randall, you know, I mean, like, I like what we're what we're looking at, you know, like there's certain roles you could see some players feel and it's a good bit of young players, you know? I mean the difference is Ah, man.
Sim always says like David Physical ran like a summer camp vibe.
I mean, you had a summer camp going.
We actually have real coaches.
Now we got Thibodeau, who has a famous system, a rigid system he's gonna bring to the roster.
And we got development coaches up the ass.
So, you know, I mean, it's gonna be different, hopefully.
But the proof is in the pudding.
But the process is a lot better this time.
I mean, it's not like the way it was 23 years ago when we were basically, uh you know, a ba*****t level team when we're ready to sign on projects like Frank Nil Akina And in 2018, when poor Zynga's went down, we're ready to start from scratch.
This isn't really starting from scratch.
I think we're a level above that, and I think you know, you just gotta that's that's the process we're not.
We're not a fully rebuilding team.
We have our young prospects that we're not develop thing.
That's the stage where we're at.
We're drafting young guys, but also be topping.
Isn't that young? He's 22 years old.
He's gonna be 23 in March or February or some ****.
But these guys aren't young.
Their their prime.
They're basically we got developmental coaches.
They're gonna start prime ing these guys up to win in a year.
So so step, step on with 2018, get the young projects.
Start drafting young as possible.
That's why we got Kevin Knox.
That's what we got, Frank.
That's why that's why we even got poor Zynga's because they're high potential young players.
And now we're ready to start winning soon.
And in a year or two, we're gonna be in a win now mode.
Hopefully, that's at least the direction that I'm hoping the Knicks go by.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's gonna be kind of like extended reading like I feel like with the last regime the Mills Perry era they that started in 2017.
I think that somewhere they got Hardaway.
They tried toe win currently with KP and say what you will like.
When KP and Tim were healthy that season, we were on track for a winning record, like, surprisingly and then, obviously, Tim got hurt and then the big one KP got hurt and then that drove the franchise and to go full rebuild, you know, mean And then a year later, we saw what happened.
They traded KP, obviously on the on the foolish hopes.
It's foolish now, but back then it seemed so legit.
But on the foolish hopes we get Katie and Kyrie.
So I think this is like I keep making a point that, like we if the Knicks have rebuilt in the past, it was never like, well thought out and fully planned.
It was always just like a half fast rebuild that they just stopped immediately and just, like, pivoted to, like the shiny object, you know? I mean, I think it's gonna be different, but if anything, it's gonna be if if the roster goes in right now, we don't see Randall move for a big piece.
I think it's just gonna be like incremental, you know, we're gonna see these young kids, get the opportunity to play, get actual roles, you know what I mean? Like like proper roles and not just be like, you know, inconsistently played like Frank was for years, you know? I mean, with Fizdale, Hornets and all that and that thing, the 2021 draft is probably gonna be the last draft we aimed to, like, quote unquote tank for what I mean.
Then after that, I think next summer is gonna be different.
You know, I think we're gonna try to make super window moves because, you know, it's it's to be said like Leon actually tried to do something Now moves this offseason.
You know, it's just regretting it.
So you want you want to factor that into the great I mean for your underwear way.
Got to think about it this way.
When is a draft The draft is in, like, seven months.
It's a lot quicker than it normally would have been, because we're starting the season out a lot later than usual, starting about two months later.
So really, the draft itself is gonna two months earlier from the start and embassies in if you're not, you know, gonna be happy about this season.
It's gonna It's gonna and faster than you think.
And this this is one of those drafts that's worth really worth having.
Ah, lottery pick for a top top five top six pick for I think I think Even if the Knicks get the eighth pick, I would feel confident enough that we're going to get a all star caliber draft players.
Yeah, well, we both say we non experts, but the experts out there about the draft just keep saying this is the one.
This is just 2021.
You mean like they said the same about 2019.
But then I remember midway through the colleges and they're like, Okay, just might be xai on, um, RJ and John Morant and with RJ bringing up the rear and that trio, but this one all you will hear this draft things prospect class.
All you hear is just like it's 10 deep, you know what I mean? And there's Steptoe, like, towards the later, like towards the later end of the first round.
So But I want to do it.
Actually, kind of touched on real quick, though, just like we actually did try to do some when now moves, you know? I mean, like, Leon, like from the word that's come from reporters.
We were We was on the chase for Hayward.
We was on the chase from Malik Beasley and Jeremy Grant.
You know, what I mean? So that tells me that, like, you know, they're literally like, yeah, they developed the young kids, but they're also gonna make sure they bring in a win.
Now, veteran pieces that do complement the young like kids because those three names I just named say what you will about like, um, their contract figures what you can't denies, Like skill set wise.
They fit our young players. They're all shooters.
They're all like three.
And d um, it's not like last offseason when we got like, you know, the joke is we had, like, a million power forwards.
But to an extent, you know, the jokes will correct just because we signed a lot of pieces that they didn't necessarily fit with the young players we had on the roster.
So I think I like I like the vision that Leon is at least showing, you know, I mean, with the moves he wanted to make in the moves that he did make anything about the draft that that applies as well.
Ah, lot of people weren't crazy about drafting quickly in the first round, but quickly wasn't the It didn't seem like he was a priority.
It seemed like Maxie was priority, and they even try to make a play for Carol Lewis, right? And that trade didn't work out.
I think there's another young point guard, uh, in the draft that they were trying to get, and then that didn't work out.
So Plan D was was quickly, and they went along with it to keep the relationships with Kentucky going and with and make sure that Kenny pain eyes happy as an assistant coaches well, so Leon Rose is that guy who's going to make sure that the network is happy.
That's connections are good because that's what he's done all his life.
And he's not alienating any part of the roster or the organization.
And that's that's something I respect.
As a fan who's been watching the Knicks for so many years as a losing team, It seems like the sounds, the moves that he's been making our sound and, uh, like, well thought Thanks like to your appointment.
Like it definitely feels like Leon is making a Kentucky alumni association very happy.
I mean, s oh, yeah.
I mean, that's the easy joke to make, but definitely it definitely seems like when it comes to like Plan A, B and C.
Now working out this front office doesn't panic at least so far, because I feel like they're they're backup.
Backup plans are.
When you look at him, they make sense like, say what you will about quickly.
I'm kind of being a surprise pick.
But the more you look into him and the New York Post is dropping article today where you know they're interviewing, ah, quickly.
He just sound like a super bright kid.
Um, he knows what his strengths are, but he also knows that he needs to develop was a point guard.
He sees himself as a point guard, but also like what he does bring to the table is like he's he's a 63 shooting girl what it's like with 6869 wingspan money from deep money from the free throw line, and I'm looking at his numbers in college.
He was pretty good at drawing like follows, bro like I like that combo.
So I mean, if say which will of Taras Maxie was our main plan.
I'm not mad at quickly.
The more I look into him and the more you read about the kid.
Yeah, and with top.
And we're all kind of concerned that the Knicks might try toe trade picks toe move up in the draft, draft him.
He did come down at at eight, which is which a lot of people might think it might believe is a steal.
The draft, quickly, like you mentioned, was a good pick up and even the kid from seeing Hall.
Uh, my, uh a lot of people thought he was gonna be a second round pick or late first round pick.
Possibly fell to the Knicks.
He has a lot of potential.
Teoh, you know, make a name for himself in the preseason or they're the player workouts.
I don't think there's there's not gonna be a summer leak, so he's gonna miss out on the on that opportunity.
But that was a great pick up for the Knicks.
So I think with the draft that itself, you and I, I believe we agree.
It's like a B plus a minus kind of draft.
And the offseason itself is like a B.
You said B plus by thing overall averages out to basically a B.
Yeah, for the Knicks.
And you know, they're probably people out there that say, like, all these guys are homers, you know? I mean, they probably **** on us, but it's like this does not that move or moves that are, like, juicy, that really excites you.
But then, you know there isn't anything that really ****ed you off.
But maybe a certain segment of Knicks fans were ****ed off by the Peyton resigning.
Or I thought people were just being drama queens about that, because at the end of the day, like he's not total garbage as a player.
And he's only here for five mil.
When you look at the point guard options, you know what I mean? Like, it's like the devil you know is better than the devil.
You don't you know? I mean, like, Scott Perry obviously has a man crush on Peyton, but yeah, I think he could hold it down.
Is kind of a Band Aid for a season.
If we're going full rebuild a k a tank like well, better tank commander, You know, I mean, maybe Boudia bring him back, but I mean, payday, booty fax.
Uh, Quick am I am I purple Or is that my bugging? Thank you, purple bro.
What you can't see? I don't know what's going on anyway.
I mean, we're gonna cap this episode off anyway.
Oh, the sunlight was on the webcam.
That's what I say listening to to much future over there.
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