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00:00:03
What's good on Thanksgiving? Happy Thanksgiving here from my Adam arm Brick.
00:00:08
Well, then, with an excitable Azzawi, Come in on a Thursday morning doing our thing on SportsCastr news.
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MBA, of course.
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Might not, Right? Yeah, this gets to be a lighthearted day.
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We don't have to get lost in the weeds on the on, the good, the bad and the ugly around the MBA.
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So let's enjoy ourselves.
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But I don't know if this is this will go down as good or bad.
00:00:27
But have you been collecting your MBA player cards that Brooks? Because apparently there's some money to be made out there.
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You may be going the whole wrong way here, just trying to grind your way to a successful career through F that sports cards a really empty investment.
00:00:47
That was the assumption I was working under.
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And here I am, looking like an idiot first thing in the morning because people are cashing out on E.
00:00:56
Had heard, and I don't know it was around basketball or not.
00:00:58
But I had heard, like last year that there was some type of revival that was starting around baseball cards and doing like special things with them and making them a little bit of interest again.
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I didn't know as there's a fan basically to clue everybody in here that pulled the LeBron James.
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Apparently it's an ultra rare low.
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Oh go man.
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Just him just doing his like throwback jam traditional LeBron style in his Lakers uniforms.
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And apparently, once it was found out that he had it.
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This kid is getting, like, upwards of $100,000 offers for this for this thing. I don't know.
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I don't know how that works.
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I don't I don't know how these things become that.
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How could that be that valuable? I wanna look at this card.
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The logo, man.
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LeBron card.
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Um, yeah, so I That's a really nice thing to hear.
00:01:51
I know a lot about cars, sports cards.
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Believe it or not, I have some basketball cards in my own Ah, lot of baseball cards.
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Unfortunately, most of my collection is from like the mid two thousands when they well, the issue is they printed a lot of them, so they're kind of worthless because of how many are out there.
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Or at least so we think maybe maybe these are becoming valuable because everybody's saying, Oh, you know, baseball cards not worth anything anymore.
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And now you're starting to have a little bit of value.
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That's what I'm hoping for.
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I have a whole but I probably I would say in the 10 thousands of baseball cards Wow.
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For Yeah, Yeah, I think my parents behind us.
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Yeah. Books.
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Yeah, Sleeves, Yeah, it's all sitting there.
00:02:39
And I'm like, I've been secretly hoping, like maybe these Maybe this is what is my get rich quick scheme? You know what I mean? This is my get, by the way, not not the best.
00:03:07
If we look down the road for enough, there's the one that we did the Devin Booker trade.
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I think that came true.
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We're talking.
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We're talking.
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Yeah. There's a real cachet out there in the world.
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People are not our door.
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That's gonna be in rgm application when we're like, Hey, look, Detroit, no.
00:03:26
You guys need some help? Oh, God, Yeah.
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Zoe's some type of weird.
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There's something weird.
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Will Farrell style movie in there somewhere.
00:03:35
Uh, listen, Azzawi as we see the NBA wind down the free agency, a lot of stuff has happened.
00:03:42
Big Domino, Big Domino fell yesterday.
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Hassan Whiteside side a one year deal with things, and I actually did.
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I did have a conversation with Doug on the podcast where when I brought the name up, I just kind of said it as, Hey, he is one of the notable names that was still available at the time.
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Um, and he's a But he's a weird guy because, like the ratings and the stats would say, you're gonna want this guy on your roster.
00:04:08
But like inside the it has in spite of relative over the quality of this place, um, e mean whites.
00:04:31
I just would be another color of personality for the Nets, right? Like, Is that not just e think that would be That would be next level in terms of just putting together the world's weirdest locker room? Uh, no.
00:04:46
I mean, look like it's cool that he's going back to the King's.
00:04:49
It's kind of the same thing with Ricky Rubio, where it's like, Oh, cool, like they have their, you know, their kind of bringing back somebody who is with the franchise really early on.
00:04:57
Um, overall, it's, I don't know.
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He is what he is like I don't even know what the right role is for him because he's like he's a guy that puts up big numbers.
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But you don't want him starting.
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So it's like, e don't know.
00:05:09
He's a weird player.
00:05:10
I just he feels like, Doesn't he feel destined? Like, wouldn't wouldn't he about the essay? Doesn't he feel destined? He's over 30 years old, so I don't know.
00:05:21
Sure, it's coming down the line soon, like you would have been destined to be the backup.
00:05:26
You know, be a backup big coming off the bench when you have the athletic, maybe a guy that stretches the floor a little bit and shoot from the perimeter.
00:05:33
And then you just bring this guy into gobble up rebounds and give extra possessions, potentially to maybe get some defensive boards as well like, And that's not a It's an important thing tohave.
00:05:42
But over the course of his career, especially in Miami, it was always like, When is he going to take the next big step and you're like, he's not going to take the next day step like he's taken every step he's going? I'm not even saying that like, I'm not trying to dismiss about him like this is that's what he is.
00:05:55
This is the player that he is.
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So teams he.
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So look at him that way and not expect him to do Mawr than just use him for what he is, and he could be at least valuable in that regard.
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But we start over, inflate what you think you can do for your team.
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That's where I think Ross's have done in trouble.
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My prediction is he becomes a pretty good stretch center to close out his career.
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Yeah, I he's developed the little free throw jumper.
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He's doing a little bit from behind the arc.
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I have weird faith that Hassan Whiteside is kind of valuable to close out his career, and it's a it's a weird killed a die on.
00:06:31
But I do think like I don't hate his shot mechanically like, I think it looks fine.
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It's not great, but it looks fine.
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So in a weird way I could just kind of see it like him transitioning into being a weird off the bench center.
00:06:48
Do you think it'll bounce around for a few more years here before you maybe catches on for you? talking like, you know, championship.
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Your kind of guy that Yeah, I think he's like, Like, what's his name? The guy that was on the Catholic Channing Frye, if you're not that good of a shooter, because Channing Frye was really good, but, like somebody that, like plays a really limited role.
00:07:11
I could see that happening, or he's gonna be out of the league, and he just never figures it out.
00:07:15
You know what I'm thinking? Yeah.
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Okay, I'm trying to be.
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This guy's got 67 years left.
00:07:22
We're really gonna evolve some key areas of the game or he make it waived by the kids.
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Yeah, it's just this awesome.
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There's violently.
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Nothing in between on this text e like that. Okay, good.
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Good. That was three more years. No.
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Impossible.
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Absolutely not. No, he has seven.
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At least until a more minute.
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Yeah.
00:07:51
Get another step on the court until he's 40.
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Um, his spot.
00:07:57
That Kyle guy on the second one of them s Oh, this is though, when you think about the King's at a player like that, we know where the kings were last year.
00:08:07
We know the moves that the sun's made this offseason.
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Some some teams made big splashes.
00:08:12
Some teams didn't do anything at all or think that they did something when they may have relatively just swapped.
00:08:17
Like for like, it could be in for a bit of a rude awakening.
00:08:20
Let's start at West will start in the Western Conference at the back end of the West when, which is like a pretty exciting conference to be looking at.
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The Pelicans.
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Maybe didn't get a chance to get a full sample size of Zion.
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We know that they didn't make it into the bubble with playing games.
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The King's air.
00:08:38
They're the sons, the Grizzlies Even do you wanna throw the Spurs into? That makes the Minnesota Timberwolves like What's the high, by the way, the unfortunate situation that is the Clay Thompson list.
00:08:48
Golden State Warriors? Yeah, what's this hierarchy from? From six Thio below? Who do you see? Maybe falling out 67 and eight.
00:08:59
What are teams that could possibly fall from a spot and what our team's you think can rise? I mean, I'll leave it and I'll take one off the table for you.
00:09:05
I'll take the Phoenix Suns immediately off the table because we don't get toe go to the ones that we think that the automatic CP three boost and they make it in.
00:09:12
But what, like what? One of these other teams, the pelicans, the the king's even up Even where the Mavs.
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Because are the Mavs in this group? So I think there are.
00:09:22
They could rise from where they were seven playoff teams for sure.
00:09:26
So I think it's the Clippers, Lakers, Nuggets.
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I don't love the Nuggets offseason.
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Still think their playoff team? I think the Rockets right now if they keep Harden, I think that Mavericks air in there.
00:09:36
I think the Blazers air in there.
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I had the Blazers is three seed yesterday, which felt high, but, like, I don't know who else I like more right now on guy, have the sun.
00:09:45
So that's seven.
00:09:46
Right? We got 123 Yeah, seven, including the Mavericks to I actually think the Mavericks E Let's see what happens.
00:10:00
Yeah, I think they treated out a little bit of offense for defense, which is good.
00:10:05
I think that's important for the playoffs.
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But I think in the regular season I don't know how big of a deal that makes So, um so that's that's what I have right now.
00:10:12
Those are my guaranteed playoff teams.
00:10:14
Then you have kind of like a mix of the jazz, the kings, the pelicans and the timber oils and the Grizzlies.
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Kind of all fighting for that last spot.
00:10:23
I would put the Jazz in, but I don't feel awesome about it.
00:10:26
I think they're my eighth seed, right.
00:10:27
And now you get a bonus spot to technically, because Okay, See, we assume is gonna is gonna fall down from what was in case people forgot.
00:10:35
Fifth seed.
00:10:36
Okay for them in these playoffs so you can take them out and even just shuffle yours too.
00:10:40
We're used to be warriors from the 18 warriors or the ultimate high variance team.
00:10:44
Sorry, I'm just completely just but in they're not very thankful of me to respect respect your time.
00:10:53
Uh, there there aren't data high variance team, though they I could the warrior, like when you look at the warriors, Obviously you're not gonna have clay.
00:11:07
But you have Steph Curry.
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You still have for whatever his whatever he is, he looked like a better version of himself in Wiggins there for a time anyway, You get bringing back.
00:11:16
You don't quite know what he's gonna look like.
00:11:18
But I mean, like, they're not, they feel like I'll put them in like that Spurs kind of category, just in terms off.
00:11:25
Well, you don't necessarily have to feel like you have all the pieces you want in place or the talent level, etcetera.
00:11:30
But you could be a really well coached team that still does enough to be in that playoff picture.
00:11:35
And, by the way, and they on paper, at least you think just with Steph Curry alone, you have more talent than the Spurs have on their current roster.
00:11:42
So, like there's a world where it feels like it's almost I know it's going to the West and the schedules.
00:11:48
They're going to be more heavily conference favorites, so that could hurt the Golden State Warriors.
00:11:51
But like if you tell me that you're walking in and taking on a team that we're getting excited about, the Phoenix Suns that out of CP three, I don't I don't automatically go.
00:11:59
Oh well, the sun's obviously but, you know, I it's gonna be hard for me to push aside the Golden State Warriors this year in a lot of matchup.
00:12:08
So, like to your point, there's a world where I can see them and they could be as high as six and then maybe maybe even the fifth seed if you talk about the Rockets and what happens to them and some of these other teams.
00:12:18
So maybe they're a team that just getting overlooked and by the way, also then disrupt some of these younger teams that you're excited to that now they all lose 11 Position down the pecking order and somebody's gonna have to fall out.
00:12:29
Maybe it's the Grizzlies again, and that don't end up getting that opportunity to back into the West.
00:12:36
Yeah.
00:12:37
I mean, I don't like even the Spurs.
00:12:39
I kind of like right, Like, that's a interesting team.
00:12:43
I don't know about the DeRozan LaMarcus thing, but like the Murray, you know, I love the cell.
00:12:48
Uh, what else? I'm forgetting Derek White like, That's kind of an interesting little That's a defensive team.
00:12:56
I wouldn't really want to run into tonight tonight.
00:12:59
So even the teams that we're looking at towards the bottom, like who knows, maybe the king's heir better this year.
00:13:03
They're reinvigorated, buddy.
00:13:05
Hell doesn't have to worry about Bogdanovich, you know, potentially taking his minutes and forcing him into a trade situation.
00:13:11
I don't know, like it's it's gonna be a really fun conference, and I just It's It's definitely it.
00:13:19
It's gonna be fun night tonight.
00:13:21
Um, you know, I mean, there's who knows, like I really don't know.
00:13:24
I don't think the Mavericks are gonna fall out, but what's like, What's the difference between construction? Well, that's the thing, too.
00:13:36
I mean, like, when you're talking about, remember your when we're listening all these seeds.
00:13:39
But you go from the three seed all the way down to the seventh seed.
00:13:44
There's a difference of 33 minutes between those teams.
00:13:47
No, no.
00:13:48
The idea of how these things can tumble higher or lower, especially in the West, is like I don't know, on a one game like one guy needs three days arrest for a little fluke, tweak of an injury and all the Sunday cost.
00:13:58
A couple of games and you tumble down.
00:14:00
So maybe it's a little bit of splitting hairs and the Houston Rockets become the other big one, too.
00:14:03
because just like you say about okay, see, falling down.
00:14:06
Now it's like if Harden goes anywhere, something does happen there, then obviously they're gonna fall at least back.
00:14:12
But even by the way, like I don't know, like, maybe they just because they they get rid of hardened doesn't mean that they won't still be like that ninth ish kind of seed sitting there like they could look very different to watch them.
00:14:24
But they could still be a team kind of mucking it up, depending on where they go, do you? I mean, do you see that actually happening? Do you see Harden going somewhere? I want him to keep him because the Christian I mean, look, I know you love would and and And they added him like I'm the boogie thing is kind of a That's not great.
00:14:53
I don't think you should be doing that with somebody who is talented is coming to.
00:14:56
But it just appears like market wasn't out there.
00:14:58
It was like, you get hurry back.
00:15:00
And I just think they wanted Thio, uh, Covington at all costs.
00:15:03
So I don't love that, but I mean, I they're kind of a fun roster.
00:15:09
If they have Rust, Harden and then they kind of are able to play something with Christian would who really mean like that's he is star potentially really done.
00:15:20
So such a fan of his.
00:15:23
Me too.
00:15:24
Me too.
00:15:25
Yeah, and I like this is kind of the right team for him.
00:15:28
I really think so. Like it.
00:15:30
So on the one hand, if say the whole pat and they don't move anybody, then I think, yeah, listen, dynamic, dynamic team, exciting team.
00:15:37
At the very least, you know what they could do with just James Harden.
00:15:50
So it's probably is probably off the table nexus of making a deal with the Nets.
00:15:54
But in a scenario where you make a trade with the nets and you get back the likes of Caris, Levert and Spencer Dinwiddie to reform backcourt, you're gonna move on Facebook as well.
00:16:02
Like I see what they've done in the East on the Brooklyn that prior to getting some of the big superstars, like if you tell me to have Caris, Levert, Spencer, Dinwiddie and Christian would as this, you know for sure the young team like that's a nice younger team that in the Western Conference.
00:16:15
I'm like, Yeah, what? Like back end? You know, 7th, 8th, 9th.
00:16:18
Like they're gonna be in that mix and they're going to make it difficult for teams on the night tonight basis.
00:16:22
So, like, it's probably somewhere in the 54 Thio eight range, depending on moves.
00:16:28
But I don't think you could just but them out of the conversation right now.
00:16:31
Yeah, I I would I would be a little bit worried about because the West is so good.
00:16:35
Like you look at that team like it's a really good team, but like you think about the players that air, that that's like a really good team.
00:16:42
I think for the East, the West is like, you know, that I like is Caris, Levert and Christian would And like, Is that really gonna move me? No.
00:16:50
Like, what's the difference between them and like the Timberwolves? And I don't even mean that in like like, yeah, that I'm just looking at, like, talent wise, like I don't taxing.
00:16:59
If there's that much that separates, that's how good the West is.
00:17:02
I have the temporal is gonna be a bottom three seed, and they have two players that if they were in the East, maybe a playoff team easily.
00:17:09
I don't even think it would be a question.
00:17:11
We'd be looking at them like Are they better than Indiana? But I don't know e think we could make the case, so it zta uff I don't know.
00:17:19
It's a really tough conference.
00:17:21
It's unforgiving.
00:17:22
Um, I do like and did witty.
00:17:26
They're kind of at the same age as Christian would question.
00:17:29
What is 24? I think so, Um, it's that mid that mid the mid twenties age, they're, you know, they're a little too old to be on a pelicans team where you know, this is okay.
00:17:41
By the time we hit our primes, you're gonna be 30 and we don't know you'll be at the tail end of your contract or we're gonna give you a new one.
00:17:48
Are we paying you till you're 33 you know, we don't know what cares, Lover.
00:17:52
It's gonna look like a 33 but you're also not like the youngest player on a really great championship team.
00:17:59
Like I don't know the Nets, uh, the young guy on the nets raw on the nets roster is character 27.
00:18:08
So So I think that it would be interesting.
00:18:10
It makes a little more sense.
00:18:11
I just want them to keep, um, hearted and rust, though, because look like Christian would 97th percentile roller, which is insane.
00:18:23
So he gives you that verticality threat, and then he can pot to three.
00:18:27
That's like the perfect center for both of these guys.
00:18:30
But Russ especially like, that's a really intriguing option.
00:18:33
I just I'd want them to do it, and I really do it.
00:18:37
Like if you get Boogie healthy to like, That seems really interesting.
00:18:41
They're fun to watch.
00:18:42
Yeah, I'm excited from where this offseason started.
00:18:45
For the Rockets, this is a much different sense of what this was gonna be.
00:18:50
And then and by the way I'll even throw it is we'll go over to the East.
00:18:52
But you could even look at that and say, Like, say, a deal comes across for hard at some point to your point about Westbrook and Wood and what that how that could complement both of them nicely in their games.
00:19:02
Like there's still a world where you still keep Russell Westbrook there with Christian would and with other pieces, and it still looks good and it could still be competitive.
00:19:10
So that was something fun to watch.
00:19:11
I wish whatever was going to happen, like I wanted to come out and say, No, we're doing nothing.
00:19:17
And this is the team or yes, we are going to We're just not going to do it until X date.
00:19:21
Just so I know.
00:19:22
I just wanna be able to quantify the Rockets and know what they are or know what it looks like for other teams around the league, because that's like the biggest piece to possibly happen.
00:19:31
I think they're trying to I think they're trying to build for those guys.
00:19:34
Like, right now, I also look, they sign Sterling Brown.
00:19:37
I love that.
00:19:38
Get, I love that.
00:19:39
Get I mean, that's like, That's your next Daniel house.
00:19:42
Uh, whatever.
00:19:44
You know.
00:19:45
Okay, Tucker, like three, indeed, forward like that's exactly what you need.
00:19:49
Here's the thing to do, and I'll say on the Rockets, you know, we we talked about this one is like, Well, the player driven league, the agent driven league, like there's something about the Houston Rockets basically having their two best players, the two superstars on the team go and that even veteran guys like P.
00:20:06
J. Tucker and all that go.
00:20:07
I don't I hate it.
00:20:08
I don't want to get me out of here. I'm done on.
00:20:10
And they just kind of wrote it out.
00:20:12
Like I don't get it all.
00:20:13
They obviously feel that they have the conversations, But like, and they said, you know what? Okay, so you're gonna be here, and it's a nice double down of like, not only you're gonna be here, and we probably could just run it back as is.
00:20:24
And I live with the results and being middle of the pack kind of playoff team.
00:20:27
But then you go and you get Christian would so like to your point.
00:20:29
I get it.
00:20:30
You don't love it.
00:20:31
You don't love what's been happening here.
00:20:32
It's been a bad experience the last couple seasons.
00:20:34
Whatever.
00:20:35
Here you go.
00:20:36
We're bringing in.
00:20:38
Yeah, we're different ourselves.
00:20:48
Better from what we've been.
00:20:50
And then let's see if you still totally hated here because then there's there's this world where James Harden gets to finish his career in Houston and arguably maybe at the back end of it from Yeah, I I just I don't know, like that's all.
00:21:08
They all decided they were out.
00:21:09
But that's after the warrior like you have e get it like it's a new G m and a new if you're those two stars and be like, Oh, this is like, I don't feel great about this, Like you just got one of the best.
00:21:31
Like maybe the Onley free agent on the entire market with star potential.
00:21:36
Like I I don't Who else would it be like unless you're a big Bogdanovich guy, which I mean he's I don't think he's gonna be a star.
00:21:42
I think it will be a player, Sure.
00:21:46
So it's like our friendly like you think he's gonna be starting.
00:21:49
Maybe he's an all star once, like kind of late career Kyle Lowry.
00:21:52
I don't know.
00:21:53
I just I just you have to feel enthused.
00:21:56
I was very left.
00:21:59
I go.
00:22:00
Well, I figured I was gonna stay with the Pistons.
00:22:02
But, you know, they are within Detroit gonna pistons, as they just totally go off the board with their plan.
00:22:07
Yeah, no clue.
00:22:08
So I don't know.
00:22:11
I don't know.
00:22:12
One of these other interesting teams with a couple of mid 20 players could like, Could he be a wrapped er without make a little bit of sense, right? Like he would go to the Raptors, play with Pascal and Ogi, like one of those teams I thought would try to get him where it's like a really smart, you know, by low franchise and and And knowing he went to Houston, I was just like, Oh, interesting.
00:22:33
So flip it over to the to the Eastern Conference there.
00:22:37
This is the one, like, Listen, some teams in the West and make a lot of moves.
00:22:41
Maybe lost a little bit Talent, small tweaks.
00:22:43
Thes air conference is a little bit weirder to me.
00:22:45
Um, we know things **** kind of fall apart there for the bucks.
00:22:50
They end up bringing in D.
00:22:51
J. Augustine for $21 million.
00:22:53
That's a bit of a head scratcher.
00:22:54
Um, you know the Celtics, the more I look at what they did and how the roster looks now, I don't feel as shaky on them.
00:23:02
If I did it all like, I think Oh, okay.
00:23:05
Like I kind of get it.
00:23:06
I think they're going to be relatively in the same kind of position that they were last year.
00:23:10
Um, you know, you just let me ask you What would you have the standing? Because I was I was emailing with somebody yesterday, and, uh, and they asked me to try to, like, put my stand.
00:23:21
Like what? My Eastern conference, Um, standings were and me and it was hard.
00:23:27
I had no idea.
00:23:30
I usually have, like, a pretty good feeling.
00:23:33
No clue. None.
00:23:35
None? None.
00:23:36
None? Yeah, it is interesting.
00:23:38
So we and we I just talked Teoh guy who covers the Raptors and started thinking about, like, their moves.
00:23:44
And you say, Well, you know, losing losing surge is the bigger piece out of the two from Gasol, because Gasol looks like he's, you know, more on the back end, then.
00:23:53
Not just maybe, more athleticism at that.
00:23:55
Five positions.
00:23:56
So now you start to say, you know Baines, Is he again? Superstar? No, but in terms of like, for like and just feeling like the roster and the results are gonna be relatively the same.
00:24:08
I actually feel pretty good about them now.
00:24:09
And the van fleet piece.
00:24:11
It's not about what I think his ceiling is.
00:24:12
Just about what I think is value is to the rafters.
00:24:14
So I had to do it, Man, it's really hard.
00:24:18
It's so really eso.
00:24:21
Here's what Here's what I'll say.
00:24:22
This is This is a This is This is obviously the perfect thing to do is doing on the fly.
00:24:26
That's what I did yesterday and I regretted it immediately.
00:24:29
All the West, right? I'll say now.
00:24:32
And also I'm gonna factor in that.
00:24:35
The Brooklyn Nets.
00:24:36
I don't think that they're going to be nearly as concerned about the season as they are about the playoffs, so that I'm kind of that in.
00:24:43
I might actually I might actually go to Toronto as the as the ones who, because if you think about the fact that they are running back the Van Fleet Lowry lineup and you can say what you have or don't have for size, um, again, I don't think they're losing a lot in the pieces that left, and I think that O.
00:25:10
G.
00:25:11
Is This is the straw that stirs the drink for them is about to take.
00:25:16
And I believe you're the one who even mentioned it on the defensive and alone.
00:25:19
Oh, good.
00:25:21
That that team ends up being in spite of being a very small backcourt.
00:25:26
Everything else has length has reached, has defensive a***en, and then on the offensive end, like the offensive end, is probably gonna be the biggest question mark.
00:25:35
Just in terms of our we already putting too much weight on what Siaca didn't do in the bubble for them versus what his regular season was, because we were all pretty.
00:25:43
We're all feeling pretty good about Siaca over over the course of the regular season, so I just think that listen like they're really well put together.
00:25:50
Well run, well coached team in the Eastern Conference and I think the reason why maybe I put them there one again, because I don't think Brooklyn's gonna be worried about wins and losses in the regular season.
00:26:01
And I don't know, like you've actually kind of convinced me a little bit.
00:26:12
Feels like that's a playoff thing in terms of what holiday can do for you.
00:26:16
That's not a regular season thing.
00:26:17
Then they may have some growing pains with what they lost and what they brought in, and just in terms of familiarity and continuity.
00:26:24
So God, I hate being Hey, I I I'm disgusted with doing this.
00:26:28
Uh, Raptors.
00:26:32
It's hard, man Thesis.
00:26:34
So this is so stupid.
00:26:35
Raptors, Celtics E.
00:26:39
That's the top four eso I'm gonna tell you my, my I don't mind in order I had I already hate my list.
00:26:46
I think I'm too low on my six.
00:26:49
I have the bucks, the number one after all the stuff I said, I just like, think Yannis is worth it is worth the regular season or whatever.
00:26:58
I affiliate number two.
00:27:00
You know what e? Here's the Here's my problem here.
00:27:03
I just talked about this, right, go.
00:27:05
Here's the thing.
00:27:07
We all agree that Phillies been a dumpster and they can't seem to figure it out.
00:27:11
But even just bringing in Doc Rivers, let alone any other things that you did was like Okay, like, I just I look at him and I go, I bet he figures it out.
00:27:22
You know, I bet he does enough perimeter pieces that they're surround them with, like, that's probably the team that you see.
00:27:29
This is why stupid? Because I'm reading through last year standing.
00:27:32
I don't get to the name Philly yet, so I don't I don't I don't get them into my rankings.
00:27:37
Yeah, that's a good what they have up there.
00:27:39
It's interesting because they're like they have a roster that's built for 2021 or whatever the seasons, too.
00:27:52
Um, and I just like they made little things, like, I think, the difference of Danny Green and and who's was fine Andi and Seth Curry, who I like.
00:28:02
I could see that just making a world of difference just by having a normal offense for for the year, 2021 because I just they clearly weren't as great on defense is.
00:28:13
Everybody made them out to be.
00:28:14
So trading out a couple of players for guys that can space the floor a little bit.
00:28:20
I just don't know.
00:28:21
I like it.
00:28:22
I like it. I think they have.
00:28:24
They're like if you're looking at teams in the Eastern Conference that have to, like, really deal superstars or stars is Miami Brooklyn? Depending upon how Kyrie looks and Philly, they just do like those that Philly might have the best 12 punch in the entire conference, to be honest, like they really might.
00:28:44
It depends on what's images, but it also depends on where you fit defense into the calculus of s****om.
00:28:51
I think it's really important.
00:28:53
I think that's where Simmons is so valuable.
00:28:55
Um, region, my list.
00:28:56
So I have affiliate to I Brooklyn it three.
00:28:59
And that's the one that I'm just like I don't know what like, where could they could be anywhere.
00:29:04
They could be the six seed and I would be like, Okay, And they could also, and like I said, like now say, say that we all assume that it's, you know, 20 games off for Katie.
00:29:11
20 games offer Kyrie problem with the world we're living in, like live in the world where they take off 10 games apiece, a two seed, you know if they're on the floor.
00:29:20
If you told me that every 100% health across the board, I can easily walk myself into the Brooklyn being the one seed in the Eastern concept if they're going to play the games, and that's probably the tricky part in terms of where you end up sliding because you said like and also wouldn't be remotely a referendum on them if they were a five seed.
00:29:35
Yeah, you go.
00:29:36
It just means they didn't care.
00:29:37
Yeah, no.
00:29:38
And they just rested their guys and they were like, we're just gonna let care Silver and Spencer Dinwiddie.
00:29:42
Or if they were both on the team, let them run the show.
00:29:45
I have Miami at four.
00:29:47
Which was another one.
00:29:48
I was like, God, I really don't think Miami is gonna prove it all.
00:29:51
It just feels weird, but I don't know who to put them over right now.
00:29:54
Yeah, I don't know, Like, and I like what they did.
00:29:58
I like the Avery Bradley signing.
00:29:59
I like Mo Harkless.
00:30:01
Getting those guys for for cheap is cool.
00:30:03
Um, just I don't know.
00:30:06
I don't think they improve substantially, which feels weird because they just went to the fund, but fluky run.
00:30:13
I don't know what else did to say.
00:30:15
I really feel that way.
00:30:16
I Boston five.
00:30:18
That was the one that makes instrument.
00:30:20
I.
00:30:22
So can I be worried about the mike? Yeah, You need to figure this.
00:30:34
All right.
00:30:35
Now, like when you a couple of months.
00:30:37
Excuse me, sir.
00:30:38
Stephen's, uh e like No, we're talking about here.
00:30:45
Yeah, so they.
00:30:46
And if you go to the month and a half of the season, two months of the season of of Kemba Walker, Danny Ainge is like trying toe, you know, see what's out there for Kemba Walker.
00:30:59
He's dangling like Kemba Walker when he's injured.
00:31:01
I don't know weird stuff going on over there.
00:31:04
It was just started adding vibes from the Celtics.
00:31:07
Overall, I like you still look like their bigs and say, Yes, you know, like and listen, do I think that what they have now is, I think, better on paper than what they had last year when you were getting, you know, getting some doses of cancer.
00:31:26
And it's not even knock on cancer.
00:31:34
Actively.
00:31:35
And probably the Tristan Thompson grab is probably the most important to to Tatum and his development, because I agree he'll offer he'll create more spacing offensively and freedom for two.
00:31:49
Yeah, Daniel tights on a vertical space.
00:31:52
Well, that Z E rate is a backup, though, that I might be one of the best backup centers in the lead right now.
00:32:02
That's a great backup, but yeah, no, I I like that.
00:32:06
Move.
00:32:07
My worry for them and It's like Who's their table setter like? I guess it's Tatum.
00:32:10
If Tatum grows into that because he was showing signs of it, then it's not a worry.
00:32:14
But that's the part where I worry a little bit for them.
00:32:16
Like man, they are gonna miss Hayward's ability to keep everybody connected like he's just he's that, I don't know.
00:32:23
He just He's got that extra level to him.
00:32:26
Smarts.
00:32:27
A great, like a really great pastor.
00:32:29
So maybe you just divvy that up between eight AM and and smart.
00:32:33
But don't worry about a little bit.
00:32:35
Do you think that's like one of the things with with the Celtics, like coming off the last year and seeing Campbell Walker? I mean, they've had Marcus smart, but like when smart flashes these stretches of being ableto to do it all, Yeah, they like you.
00:32:47
Then look and go.
00:32:48
So then Camba traditional style point guard, like Are you, actually is.
00:32:53
What is your true value to actively stem that tide like we don't need to have a true facilitator at the point guard position.
00:33:04
We actually would be better off with, like, ah guy, that is better playing off the ball a little bit and can spot up from the outside. Maybe.
00:33:12
Yeah, I I think that's a good point.
00:33:13
Like I at first My initial thought is I'm like, Well, I don't know.
00:33:19
Take him, like, just be your point forward at all times And like, you're like, Hey, but we're just gonna assume that your ball handling is gonna improve every year because it has so far, um So I could see that, Yeah.
00:33:31
I think the problem for them with Kemba is they run this switching defense, and that's great.
00:33:39
Till one of the defenders that's getting switched on to people is a guy who's like, 6 ft tall and just can't really stay in front of anybody.
00:33:49
And that's where it's like, Okay, this is not This isn't great, like we your great on the offensive end of the floor.
00:33:56
But my goodness, people are just picking on you.
00:33:58
So that's the part where I'm like, man, I don't know what spot that they should add, like maybe it's just another defensive guard.
00:34:06
Or maybe they even just bring in another forward, Um, and run smart at point guard.
00:34:11
I do.
00:34:12
I don't know. I kind of think about that and like, wonder.
00:34:14
Or maybe they get like, a big point center and, like, go that route and see.
00:34:18
And then there's only so many of those out there.
00:34:20
So that's like, Just grab a point, just a yacht.
00:34:23
Describe him. He's just chilling.
00:34:25
So there's only so many, but yeah, even like a hairy Giles.
00:34:29
They're like somebody that a little bit like somebody along those lines where you're like, OK, um, like that maybe they go that route.
00:34:36
So you have You can play a little bit bigger, run switching defense, and you don't have to worry about, Okay, we have one guy that's gonna get picked on a little bit of a multiple party here around the Celtics.
00:34:46
Do you think one, um, for all the swinging and moving and wheeling and dealing, Um, should they have been in on the Christian would conversations if there was an opportunity, Get that guy because I think you talk about that would have been if you if you told me that they added Christian would I would look at them as being okay.
00:35:05
Watch out, regardless of what you do with Kemba Walker like that would look like a very different dynamic for that roster on both ends of the floor.
00:35:12
By the way, I would say, like, what would like that? Maybe they have to do a sign and trade with a double sign and trade with the Pistons and my father Would they do with Gordon Hayward? But then I realized, What are they gonna do with Mason? More look, a nice mid level deal and we're gonna do a Germany grant is their second option.
00:35:31
So maybe it's perfect.
00:35:32
They're like, Oh, great.
00:35:34
Ah, weird move.
00:35:35
Let's do it, Okay, because here's the second thing was, and that's just more like an off the cuff when you talk about just dynamic, you know, someone dynamic and a big.
00:35:44
Is there any world where you could see? I guess you have.
00:35:47
The label is a three way deal because the Nets would wouldn't necessarily have any interest in a Kemba Walker.
00:35:52
But would you? Would you think that a guy like a Spencer Dinwiddie if your move if you if you're moving out? Kemba Walker and you were sliding in Spencer Dinwiddie to be the starter to be the point guard in the backcourt alongside Marcus Smart.
00:36:06
Would that change how you look at the dynamic dynamic of that scene? I think it be interesting.
00:36:12
I I wonder who the Nets would grab.
00:36:15
Um, boy, that's like a tricky like who you like.
00:36:20
Where, where you sending Camba and what did they have? That would be, you know, a piece that the next interesting? Yes, yeah, exactly.
00:36:28
Because there's nobody. There's nobody. I mean, it was playing guys.
00:36:30
On paper the Nets would take off of the Bronx is Boston's roster.
00:36:32
I don't think they're sending them over, but because when you talk about the Nets and they added, Sham it they added Brown, you still have carrots and, like, you know, a shuttle. People of the hierarchy.
00:36:43
You know, also that then.
00:36:45
But he's going out on a player option after this season.
00:36:47
So, you know, getting value in return.
00:36:50
It doesn't even have to be the biggest piece of the There's a word like, Is there a world where it's like the nets? Just get back draft capital out of the whole thing? And I don't even need a player person.
00:36:58
You could God, who do they have? That's on a mid level contract right now.
00:37:06
That's tricky.
00:37:07
Oh, boy, you really stumped me here.
00:37:08
Um, this is my This is a good one.
00:37:11
Good one.
00:37:12
Who needs a point guard? Sixers could use a point guard.
00:37:15
Uh, not sure who they would trade.
00:37:18
God, I mean, that's the asset piece, though.
00:37:21
There.
00:37:22
There's your asset back to Brooklyn just to get Kemba down to Philly.
00:37:25
Who else? Oh, yeah.
00:37:26
Who else could use a point guard boy? The Sixers could maybe the books.
00:37:29
That means they have drew holiday starting at point guard. I hate that.
00:37:33
I saw that.
00:37:34
I was like, I don't know if I mean, I guess you have you honest running things and kind of by committee.
00:37:38
It's really weird that a point guard, I guess.
00:37:42
I don't know.
00:37:43
They had blood selectors.
00:37:44
They didn't miss a B, but, um, yeah, so maybe I don't know.
00:37:48
I don't think the bucks would want anything to do with Kim because the defense stuff.
00:37:51
So maybe the Sixers, I think that's facing would be nice there.
00:37:55
Um, the Clippers maybe.
00:37:58
Would they need him? Yeah, Well, good.
00:38:02
I'm like, Well, we take him, we need him on the roster, but that's really we're looking at two.
00:38:09
Uh, okay, that's tricky.
00:38:11
No wonder they couldn't find a place to trade him.
00:38:13
Where? Ugo, I'll tell you.
00:38:16
I'll tell you one spot that depending on how you perceive, um, how you'd like them to use them, the Lakers wouldn't would be actually a nice a nice spot for timber.
00:38:27
If you think that you prefer Schroeder not to necessarily the automatically in the starting lineup for you, Fine.
00:38:36
And maybe it's that mix and match up.
00:38:37
Yes, when LeBron's on Schroeder, your up to the to and then you can have Kemba in it.
00:38:43
The one, though, with Schroeder still there when LeBron comes off and rotate those pieces a little bit.
00:38:47
Yeah, like what if they hate the Schroeder fit and they're like, This is just not working.
00:38:51
And they take Schroeder, whose mo with that and maybe I don't know what else.
00:38:55
God, they just don't have any extra money.
00:38:56
But I like how, like how How long? How valued is Kemba Walker like, you know what I mean, like e like it's a big like it like that, like that's a legitimate like That's like That's probably the reason why you're talking like looking for deals like it wasn't just about like, oh, what could be accomplished Making the pieces fit like it was like, Does anybody want? Does anyone see Kemba Walker as a needle mover? Further roster.
00:39:20
So you're talking about getting to a really fine window of teams that are really going to be competitive this year.
00:39:24
I think that deep playoff aspirations and then still the thick piece of it to your point like, but he's not that big.
00:39:30
You could be a liability defensively, and there's the injury piece like you have a really tiny, probably market space that you're trying to operate.
00:39:38
And if you're looking to move off the Kemba Walker, yeah, he's a small point guard that can't stay healthy right now, so it's not crazy market for that right now.
00:39:49
It's really good, and I think he makes sense if he's your third star.
00:39:53
But but it's tricky.
00:39:56
I just and that's the tough part for the Celtics.
00:39:59
That's what kind of why I'm low on them.
00:40:01
I'm like, No, no, they're a team that on that team like you need Jalen Brown to take a step now you're like now you're like it's it's go time like we have the two Jays.
00:40:13
That's our 12 And if Jalen isn't there, then I don't know Then then Kemba is your number two.
00:40:21
That seems fine, but you don't have Hayward there anymore.
00:40:25
Like Hayward, at least like he couldn't stay healthy.
00:40:27
And that sucks.
00:40:28
And his tenure there was kind of just a little bit of a tragedy.
00:40:32
But boy, like if he was healthy, that, at least, is somebody that can put on at least a face of being a number two option or number three options.
00:40:41
Um, and now they don't have that.
00:40:42
It's just they kind of are what they are.
00:40:45
So you better You better hope that Jalen Brown is ready and campus healthy.
00:40:49
That's that now you're now all in on that.
00:40:51
What is campus contracts right now? Is he a 30 $30 million. 35.
00:40:59
He's not doing anybody any favors now.
00:41:02
How does nothing I'm like like I've even like thinking about the idea? It's like, No, maybe just looking him is like, What is it at? Oh, it's It's rough.
00:41:10
It's It's a eso.
00:41:12
He makes 34 this year.
00:41:14
Next year makes 36.
00:41:16
Then he makes 37.6 No.
00:41:19
37.
00:41:20
7 and 2022 2023 c to pay him all the way through 2023 when he's 32.
00:41:26
Um, e s so weird.
00:41:32
Like he's still still still relatively young like, But, you know, you think about him is being like man.
00:41:37
And it's probably because the injuries you just feel like, Oh, my God, like this.
00:41:40
You just has somewhere on the tires because I even because that that's a problem to the content, some randomly, like, you know, trolling through some of these rosters, right? Oh, like you said, What the Dallas Mavericks really do? I'm like, Oh, maybe maybe you didn't You know you'd be nice Disturbance that backcourt pot there with Tim Hardaway Jr.
00:41:59
And you could move Luca into the two of times, whatever.
00:42:01
But then you go, not a 30 not a 30 something million dollars.
00:42:05
You're not doing that like I'm talking about.
00:42:14
Be a supplemental peace like all these videos, like his destined role should be, as opposed to being like a leader and a key cog.
00:42:21
And unfortunately, the money is not going to be there for a number of years before teams are like, Great, I'll take a flight like you know, you should be looking at yourself closer to Iraj on Rondo.
00:42:30
I'm not, you know, not going like for like in skill, set or age or point of their careers.
00:42:34
But that's where I think for us.
00:42:42
And if you don't if you're not having one of your best means, we're not having a good season.
00:42:47
And that's where Boston that feels like for Boston right now.
00:42:50
I mean, I he's just he's a number three option paid as number two.
00:42:58
Yes, tree like it's tricky.
00:43:00
And, uh, yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it comes down to them losing Kyrie and they tried toe.
00:43:07
I I didn't I didn't love the the move in the moment.
00:43:10
I was like I just don't know, like, what is? Kemah is a top 25 player, maybe top 20.
00:43:17
You could slide him in 19 a year ago.
00:43:19
I think I did.
00:43:20
I believe I did a top 20 actually, about a year ago, I put him in 1920 I didn't feel great about it.
00:43:27
And I was like, I guess that's cool.
00:43:29
Um, but you better hope that Jalen Brown is somewhere in the top 30 as well, Like, and I just not there yet.
00:43:36
He's very good, but I don't know.
00:43:38
All right, Alright. Right.
00:43:40
So let's get let's get out of here.
00:43:41
As I look over this thing one last time, because I mean yeah, I gotta I gotta finish my top.
00:43:45
We somehow lost, right? We completely got away from it.
00:43:50
Lost in the shuffle of Boston.
00:43:52
A team that we both agree is not we don't think is going to have a very good way.
00:43:58
Should focus on.
00:43:59
Okay, but recap I'm gonna go.
00:44:08
But five boston getting better about it.
00:44:10
Might want to drop them lower, actually.
00:44:12
Might put them six.
00:44:13
I'm gonna move my five.
00:44:14
Which is Toronto up the spot? Yeah, I You talked me into this.
00:44:19
I don't know why I'm so low on them because they lost Marc Gasol, who wasn't good last year.
00:44:24
And then and then Serge Ibaka, who's nice.
00:44:26
But I mean, you know, again, like in Serge Ibaka.
00:44:29
So I'm gonna move them up in neighboring veins who's just like, kind of a nice, nice filler spot for them.
00:44:36
So that's pretty nice.
00:44:38
Then I have Indiana at seven, and I have.
00:44:40
This is where it gets crazy, all right.
00:44:42
I have the Washington Wizards and Number eight.
00:44:44
I don't like the Hawks.
00:44:45
I don't like they did.
00:44:46
I've looked over and I said, Oh, callin Ari and Bogdanovich.
00:44:49
And then I'm like, Who is defending on that team? Well, im readiness.
00:44:54
Well, by the way, like what are we doing here? Whatever moves they've made, they have to make a 20 game when jump.
00:45:01
You know, you only you only won 20 games, 2047 last year.
00:45:05
So even if you like some of the moves, you're still OK.
00:45:09
Are all of those? Most collectively, try one team or wins for you Like that's a big lead to take on those who have a lot of people on that on that team that needs shots.
00:45:17
That's a lot of people like, Look at this.
00:45:20
They have.
00:45:21
You could say they have John Collins, who knows what's gonna what's happening with him.
00:45:26
Trae Young, who I hope learns to be a better off ball player this year, Gallinari who they're now paying a nice little hefty chunk of their salary to.
00:45:36
And then Bogdanovich, who is another guy who needs the ball in their hands like, Is this not just Kings East now? It's kind of what it feels like, You know, it's like it's a lot of people that need shots, and they all do the same things as each other.
00:45:50
It's very weird.
00:45:51
Team s So you have you have.
00:45:53
You have Washington getting into the eighth seed.
00:45:55
We can.
00:45:56
We'll run around a little bit if I run this down real quick here.
00:45:58
Now again, I'm gonna go.
00:45:59
I'm still gonna go with Toronto in the one seed.
00:46:01
I think they're gonna be the regular season bulldog.
00:46:03
That isn't going to necessarily show up in the play.
00:46:05
I love you, too, but we'll go.
00:46:08
We'll go with Toronto, then we'll go with the bucks.
00:46:10
Will go with the Oh God, you know what? It is tricky to do it, but I'll say I'll still say I'll take the Brooklyn Nets a three.
00:46:18
The 70 Sixers at four.
00:46:20
Um, I'm take the take the heat it five, I guess, and I'll go with the weird.
00:46:32
They're more than that, but like feels that they earned more respect than that.
00:46:37
And yet, I don't respect them that much.
00:46:39
On day, I'll take the Pacers.
00:46:41
It's sick to say that things really don't go well for Boston this year.
00:46:46
I'll put I'll say they fall all the way down to a 70.
00:46:48
Because by the way, the Pacers are consistent.
00:46:51
Team doesn't mean they excite you.
00:46:52
Doesn't mean they're gonna go deep in playoffs, but they're basically the same roster that everyone didn't think was going to be able to do anything last year and showed up and got themselves into the playoffs is a mid seat.
00:47:01
So I'll say that the Boston takes a big tumble and then my eighth seed.
00:47:05
Here's where it gets interesting, man.
00:47:07
Um, you know, technically, Orlando didn't do anything bad.
00:47:11
They didn t o Hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:47:15
So you might You might think that they should be in the playoffs, but they clearly will not.
00:47:21
I'm actually going to go.
00:47:22
I'm gonna go ahead and say that for as as head scratching as it may for feel in the big picture, I think the hornets make that little bump.
00:47:30
I think that's a place.
00:47:32
Yeah.
00:47:33
So I'm gonna give the Hornets.
00:47:34
You're gonna go bulls.
00:47:35
No.
00:47:36
You know, I do want you, but see it happening.
00:47:40
And e I am I am high on them and I think that they look a lot better.
00:47:43
So now when we get into the wizards assuming that they stand pat, obviously they could do it with wall and deal there.
00:47:49
But we talked about that before.
00:47:52
I think there are sleeper toe.
00:47:53
Have a nice Jr crew before they can fully take the boiling cobwebs like they have the boiling cursor, but hanging over the benches.
00:48:05
But if you think of personal e no, he's not here.
00:48:10
Guys, guys, guys, it's OK.
00:48:11
He's gone bad video sprints like, Why are we doing right? Um, but But I think that they could be a team that can move their needle from being Listen.
00:48:20
They won 22 games last year in a shortened season over 72.
00:48:23
I think they could be up there over 30 wins this year.
00:48:26
Like I think there's there's a needle to get moved there.
00:48:28
I will say, um that I think Atlanta's gonna jump up there a little bit, obviously.
00:48:32
But I will say people are very, very low on the New York next.
00:48:40
I think that they can.
00:48:41
I think they're going to be young.
00:48:43
I think that they have talents like I know everyone laughs at the idea of taking topping because you're older than Jared Allen, like Ha ha ha.
00:48:49
Okay, great, like they have a nice.
00:48:52
They have a nice collection of young talent.
00:48:56
They have.
00:48:57
They have a head coach that at least knows what he's doing.
00:49:01
I'll give them.
00:49:02
I'll grant him that, even if it ends up being running one of these guys into the ground like, I just think that they're going to be there going to be an exciting team toe watch.
00:49:10
I think that they will be entertaining toe watch and I wouldn't be shocked if when you look at the back end behind the eighth seed, whoever you think's going to be there, like I can see them being right there in the mix off, I'm gonna listen there there now.
00:49:24
But like the, they could finish ahead of the magic.
00:49:27
If the magic don't figure out what the heck they wanna be doing like by the way, for all that I said about Vucevic's and, you know, and then everyone talking about for the magic that I'm not. Not yet.
00:49:37
I'm not thankful for Figure it out because because, by the way, you won 33 games last year.
00:49:41
I know you had injuries, whatever.
00:49:43
But like, you're a bad team, you have two of them or notable names in the N B A and your bag.
00:49:48
So, like, you don't get to be that team for however many years that they've been rolling that out there like the Pacers.
00:49:54
They're supposed to be you right in saying that has some guys but can't quite whatever.
00:49:57
You're supposed to be a six seed five seed every year, So I hope that I really hope that Atlanta actually takes a bigger tumble.
00:50:03
So by the trade deadline, we could talk about peace is getting moved off there and how it kind of shakes up some of the MBA teams looking towards, you know, playoff runs.
00:50:09
But, yeah, I think the Knicks can be there and it ZZ Eastern Conference.
00:50:13
So when I say that they could be a 10 seed of the East, that means that they're dead last in the West.
00:50:17
So let's just it's all relative.
00:50:19
But I think that that's what I like about the East is that some of these lower teams will at least be more exciting toe watch on a game to game basis, so you can always get more competitive.
00:50:29
Interesting matchups.
00:50:30
Because last year, when you talk about the Knicks and even like I'll even say, even watching the Hawks, that wasn't fun for May I get that? It was fun to watch Trae Young.
00:50:38
Their games were those word games, you know, like s.
00:50:41
So that's why I like seeing Mawr.
00:50:43
Exciting matchups in games.
00:50:44
I think the he easily don't match for themselves.
00:50:49
Yeah, they owe the Cavaliers.
00:50:50
Haven't signed anybody know they got they got Damion Dotson.
00:50:55
So, by the way, well, when you talk about Chicago, you make these shakeups in Chicago and you know you do the stuff.
00:51:05
You okay, like one of the teams, you know, like, Hey, this is a team that you know, in the league, like the Cavs are, you know, like they've been around, man, like they shouldn't be this bottom dweller like you're not many years that they not had LeBron.
00:51:17
It's only been two, right? I tell you what.
00:51:21
The bill, what it feels like.
00:51:23
Like when you again I'll go back to you Ever talked about legacy pieces? Uh, it's been incredible, David, to get so low so quickly.
00:51:33
And while and by the way and while having Kevin love for whatever he is or is not.
00:51:39
He's an FNN NBA player like he's legit engines and you're this bad, like it is, that is, I don't know, man like that's pretty brutal.
00:51:49
You can't figure out not moving off of those.
00:51:52
Like, if you're you know, I understand Kevin Loewe's contract is big. It's not easy.
00:51:55
You couldn't move that a team would have.
00:51:58
You could have sort of that and gotten out of there like I just don't know.
00:52:01
I don't know.
00:52:02
Are they? Are they going to surprises this year? It all, I think that even more impressive than LeBron winning the finals with the Lakers, he's watching what happened to the cabs the last two years.
00:52:15
Equally impressive reason.
00:52:17
Hey, made the finals what 2 to 203 years two years ago.
00:52:23
I don't know if time is irrelevant.
00:52:25
Hey, made it two years ago with Larry Nance.
00:52:29
Rodney Hood.
00:52:30
George hit like he made the final, the NBA Finals.
00:52:34
And everybody was like, Well, that I think that team could make some noise the next year.
00:52:38
Nope.
00:52:39
They're one of the two worst teams in the conference.
00:52:41
There is back the Knicks the next year and the next year they're like, Well, you know, they call in *** is bringing No, they suck again.
00:52:47
Like it Z It's been more impressive than any championship How bad they've been since he's left, right? What? Are you impressed by LeBron James? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:52:58
I'm impressed with the Cavs.
00:53:00
They really you replace LeBron was settee Osman and you are in trouble.
00:53:08
Same, Same, same same, but different.
00:53:09
It's almost identical.
00:53:11
You sweat your eyes and you can't even tell who's on the You know what? I'm uninterested piece about this too.
00:53:17
Is you mentioned you mentioned about Hill like think about the fact that you went to the finals with Hill and that roster hill goes over to the box.
00:53:25
And just in terms of like, how you evaluate pieces to a successful championship.
00:53:29
Run him on a Yanis with Lopez with Middleton roster Guess what? Hills value is also directly tied to having LeBron James on the roster, and LeBron James does in a game to to make every single piece around him that much better.
00:53:45
That's probably the hairsplitting difference when you talk about the ****es and LeBron's and Katie's and whatever like this is why I look at LeBron as being, you know, the greatest of all time. I don't have to get those debates.
00:53:57
But just because his impact is not just his game, yeah, and I think the honest is that that same type of player, like it just is it feels like, you know, like if you play with him, you're just gonna have a career year like Georgia led the league in three point percentage.
00:54:11
Last George Hill.
00:54:13
Things like, Why didn't no, I did not see that, you know, happened.
00:54:17
I figured to be a Seth Curry or a Duncan Robinson.
00:54:19
Nope, it's George Hill, So yeah. No, very, very.
00:54:23
Those guys, just our floor racers.
00:54:25
By the way, what team is George Hill on? There's a fun quiz.
00:54:30
Oh, because he didn't go in the trade? No, he's been around.
00:54:34
He's moved a couple of places.
00:54:36
It's like trying to figure out what seemed Trevor Rees is on.
00:54:39
I actually because they got shuffled like they were, like, under the peace.
00:54:43
We move in this deal, but we weren't really taking you.
00:54:45
It's the fifth team in this deal that's going to end up with you.
00:54:47
Where is George Hill? Where is your town? Where is Trevor Ariza? Trevor Reason was traded, like, five times last week.
00:54:55
George.
00:54:56
Hell, it's going to surprise you for George Hill.
00:55:01
He's not okay. See, now.
00:55:04
Yep.
00:55:05
That one sucks.
00:55:06
That was a shocker.
00:55:09
Like Okay, Georgia was on the Okay, so Yeah, he's on the thunder. Okay.
00:55:13
Yeah.
00:55:14
Is that their starting point guard next year? That's interesting.
00:55:16
Oh, that is a weird one for me.
00:55:19
Yeah, I kind of like the SG I like. No matter.
00:55:22
The thunder of reshuffled the deck like, 19 times already.
00:55:27
And no matter what they do, I still like their roster.
00:55:30
I'm like George Hill s t A.
00:55:33
It's not.
00:55:34
Hold on a second.
00:55:35
Hold on City Hold on a second, though.
00:55:39
Is Trevor Reza also on the Oklahoma City thunder.
00:55:42
No, he's on the rockets now.
00:55:43
I always thought he is officially, we don't for sure.
00:55:47
For the next two hours, who knows? For at least the next couple? Oh, my God.
00:55:53
Cause I just I just said that the quick search that I did for George Hill.
00:55:58
Also the Trevor Reason one, they take these things out.
00:56:01
Okay? Sick is he? And if I'm on ESPN right now and he is the backup behind Baizley now, I don't know.
00:56:09
So we may have when we were playing a fun game of where George Hill and Trevor Ariza are, we may not have realized that they're both in the same exact location on the Oklahoma City thunder tie breaker is gonna be.
00:56:22
He's on the Pistons.
00:56:24
That's three different.
00:56:26
No basketball reference.
00:56:28
That's what reference saying he's husband.
00:56:31
What team is this guy on? Because he just the first time in NBA history he's a flex player that will be playing on seven different rosters during the season.
00:56:41
All of them? Yeah, only.
00:56:43
Well, that was that. That was the agreement.
00:56:45
You can play on any of the bottom 10 teams in the league.
00:56:48
Uh, that That is too good.
00:56:51
Oh, my God.
00:56:52
I don't understand what team he's on.
00:56:54
I see the to top the two top articles thunders trade for Trevor reason.
00:56:59
And then, uh, that's the top part. No, no. Here.
00:57:03
So here you go.
00:57:04
You had him on the Pistons, but then the piston sent Trevor Rees in Oklahoma City and received Dale and right in a in a three team trade.
00:57:11
This is that it's just from five days.
00:57:13
He's on the pistons.
00:57:14
Wow.
00:57:15
What a help us.
00:57:16
An adventure? No, no, But now But he's on.
00:57:18
Okay, See, now the piston sent him thio Oklahoma City.
00:57:22
God, this is too much for May. Fantastic.
00:57:24
I might have to tweet this.
00:57:25
Be like someone Help me, please bail me out.
00:57:28
Just to be clear.
00:57:30
Is Trevor a reason why you? That's it. That's it.
00:57:35
To the n b a.
00:57:36
Li.
00:57:37
It's like having like a lost child.
00:57:39
Like when you put the If you've seen If you've seen if Trevor reasons on your team, please, please call this number.
00:57:47
Oh, God.
00:57:48
There's some graphic design work here that needs to get done, but by me for this to go up all right.
00:57:52
That's that's my new project.
00:57:53
Where where in the world is Trevor? Reason? Listen, regardless of that, by the way, though, I will say, Well, get out the door here on this because this is, of course, how we do it.
00:58:01
Spent over an hour on Thanksgiving morning talking about the N b A.
00:58:06
That's it.
00:58:07
The George Hill peace, who they put behind SG A and then you got ta swallow their A t too.
00:58:13
But I do I at least get that.
00:58:15
This is such a silly thing to get to, but I do get the idea of Okay, we lost CP three.
00:58:19
How do we just bring in a veteran guy at the guard position to help supplement like I get I get ending up with George Hill.
00:58:24
I don't know what the net value that will be for that roster, but okay, so you'll be my sleeper fun team to check it out just to be, like holding on there.
00:58:32
Yeah, like like what? What What is going on in O k.
00:58:34
C like they could be a surprising team to keep it on their really fun there.
00:58:38
George Hill s G, A lewd or Al Horford.
00:58:41
That's something that's actually a decent defensive team.
00:58:43
I don't know who your four is, are they? Not possible, but it it might be Trevor.
00:58:48
A reason you gotta wake Poco poco would.
00:58:53
That would be very interesting.
00:58:55
The corruption him as like, hey, let him continue to see themselves. But in O K.
00:59:00
C.
00:59:01
Depending on takes.
00:59:02
And even though for me based on parts could help like that could really help like that.
00:59:10
You know, that's a veteran that knows what he's doing.
00:59:12
And it's like, Hey, rather than just being like you weigh, you know as much as this pen and throwing you in at center.
00:59:19
Um, you know, putting him next to Horford, who is like a cinder block, is that might be the way to go.
00:59:25
You kind of use them like the you know, the Knicks use posing.
00:59:28
It's to start his career.
00:59:30
Is there in the world that they could Jeff Goldblum it and put him into a you know machine, three other side.
00:59:35
But they're split into two separate, well balanced, waited individuals.
00:59:39
I don't even know if they need.
00:59:40
Thio isn't like Pocho is like the old like God If he pans out, he's gonna be so fun.
00:59:46
Like you can hit threes.
00:59:47
He's quick like he's.
00:59:49
Yeah, he's talked about about the draft.
00:59:52
You man, he was one of the guys, like in 19 for the Nets.
00:59:55
Of all things stood Pat, you don't actually have anything.
00:59:57
Whatever he's like.
00:59:58
Yeah, of course.
00:59:59
You take a flyer on poco, you're saying, like seeing three years, but you don't have to worry about anything right now.
01:00:03
Like that Be the beauty of being a team that's already well established for a player like that.
01:00:12
You're with your partner there in the my my lady? Yeah, I'm in Brooklyn, so yeah, not not flying home California this year.
01:00:19
Eso I'm chilling here today.
01:00:22
Just having a nice, easy day walking the dog.
01:00:25
It'll be nice.
01:00:26
It would be a chiller.
01:00:27
Do you? I gotta ask, though.
01:00:30
Are you Are you preparing deal? Are you going Thio? Are you getting culinary for your special someone? We're Yeah, we're doing a little We're gonna do a little take out today.
01:00:37
I think that's the move.
01:00:38
We want to support a local eso.
01:00:42
I think that's what we're doing today.
01:00:43
We're keeping it really chill.
01:00:44
We're gonna go out for Christmas.
01:00:45
So we're just kind of like you know what? We're big Christmas people.
01:00:49
Thanksgiving.
01:00:50
We're thankful we're thankful for the O K C Thunder.
01:00:53
But we are not my new sleeper watching. They're pretty fun.
01:00:57
Yeah, by the way it is.
01:01:00
Take out Christmas Day.
01:01:01
So Christmas Eve, like the big family holiday for us on Christmas Day, is like present whatever.
01:01:07
And then just kind of like a lay around.
01:01:08
And that's when we do take out Chinese food, just cart just carton strewn across the table.
01:01:13
But this one will be for us is, like, just my immediate my my girlfriend, my immediate family that, you know, that's a nice little are anybody.
01:01:23
Buffel? Yeah, the six enjoy the relaxing Thanksgiving Day with your girl themselves.
01:01:36
And, uh, you know what? I didn't know what was gonna happen, but it turns out Adam are broken that Brooks could get that darn thing done on a Thanksgiving Day.
01:01:44
No worries stuff out there.
01:01:46
We'll be back again next week, doing the same thing again, talking about the n B until next time, everybody be well
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LeBron James one-of-a-kind ‘Logoman’ card already getting insane offers

In case you missed it, basketball cards have not only become one of the biggest trends of 2020, but more importantly, it has emerged as a very lucrative business venture as well. Take for instance this 1-of-1 “Logoman” card of Los Angeles Lakers superstar LeBron James, which apparently, could sell for around $100,000. For starters, […]

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00:00:03
What's good on Thanksgiving? Happy Thanksgiving here from my Adam arm Brick.
00:00:08
Well, then, with an excitable Azzawi, Come in on a Thursday morning doing our thing on SportsCastr news.
00:00:14
MBA, of course.
00:00:15
Might not, Right? Yeah, this gets to be a lighthearted day.
00:00:18
We don't have to get lost in the weeds on the on, the good, the bad and the ugly around the MBA.
00:00:24
So let's enjoy ourselves.
00:00:25
But I don't know if this is this will go down as good or bad.
00:00:27
But have you been collecting your MBA player cards that Brooks? Because apparently there's some money to be made out there.
00:00:34
You may be going the whole wrong way here, just trying to grind your way to a successful career through F that sports cards a really empty investment.
00:00:47
That was the assumption I was working under.
00:00:49
And here I am, looking like an idiot first thing in the morning because people are cashing out on E.
00:00:56
Had heard, and I don't know it was around basketball or not.
00:00:58
But I had heard, like last year that there was some type of revival that was starting around baseball cards and doing like special things with them and making them a little bit of interest again.
00:01:10
I didn't know as there's a fan basically to clue everybody in here that pulled the LeBron James.
00:01:17
Apparently it's an ultra rare low.
00:01:20
Oh go man.
00:01:21
Just him just doing his like throwback jam traditional LeBron style in his Lakers uniforms.
00:01:26
And apparently, once it was found out that he had it.
00:01:30
This kid is getting, like, upwards of $100,000 offers for this for this thing. I don't know.
00:01:37
I don't know how that works.
00:01:38
I don't I don't know how these things become that.
00:01:41
How could that be that valuable? I wanna look at this card.
00:01:44
The logo, man.
00:01:45
LeBron card.
00:01:46
Um, yeah, so I That's a really nice thing to hear.
00:01:51
I know a lot about cars, sports cards.
00:01:52
Believe it or not, I have some basketball cards in my own Ah, lot of baseball cards.
00:01:56
Unfortunately, most of my collection is from like the mid two thousands when they well, the issue is they printed a lot of them, so they're kind of worthless because of how many are out there.
00:02:10
Or at least so we think maybe maybe these are becoming valuable because everybody's saying, Oh, you know, baseball cards not worth anything anymore.
00:02:20
And now you're starting to have a little bit of value.
00:02:23
That's what I'm hoping for.
00:02:24
I have a whole but I probably I would say in the 10 thousands of baseball cards Wow.
00:02:30
For Yeah, Yeah, I think my parents behind us.
00:02:35
Yeah. Books.
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Yeah, Sleeves, Yeah, it's all sitting there.
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And I'm like, I've been secretly hoping, like maybe these Maybe this is what is my get rich quick scheme? You know what I mean? This is my get, by the way, not not the best.
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If we look down the road for enough, there's the one that we did the Devin Booker trade.
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I think that came true.
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We're talking.
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We're talking.
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Yeah. There's a real cachet out there in the world.
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People are not our door.
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That's gonna be in rgm application when we're like, Hey, look, Detroit, no.
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You guys need some help? Oh, God, Yeah.
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Zoe's some type of weird.
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There's something weird.
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Will Farrell style movie in there somewhere.
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Uh, listen, Azzawi as we see the NBA wind down the free agency, a lot of stuff has happened.
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Big Domino, Big Domino fell yesterday.
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Hassan Whiteside side a one year deal with things, and I actually did.
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I did have a conversation with Doug on the podcast where when I brought the name up, I just kind of said it as, Hey, he is one of the notable names that was still available at the time.
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Um, and he's a But he's a weird guy because, like the ratings and the stats would say, you're gonna want this guy on your roster.
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But like inside the it has in spite of relative over the quality of this place, um, e mean whites.
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I just would be another color of personality for the Nets, right? Like, Is that not just e think that would be That would be next level in terms of just putting together the world's weirdest locker room? Uh, no.
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I mean, look like it's cool that he's going back to the King's.
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It's kind of the same thing with Ricky Rubio, where it's like, Oh, cool, like they have their, you know, their kind of bringing back somebody who is with the franchise really early on.
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Um, overall, it's, I don't know.
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He is what he is like I don't even know what the right role is for him because he's like he's a guy that puts up big numbers.
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But you don't want him starting.
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So it's like, e don't know.
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He's a weird player.
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I just he feels like, Doesn't he feel destined? Like, wouldn't wouldn't he about the essay? Doesn't he feel destined? He's over 30 years old, so I don't know.
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Sure, it's coming down the line soon, like you would have been destined to be the backup.
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You know, be a backup big coming off the bench when you have the athletic, maybe a guy that stretches the floor a little bit and shoot from the perimeter.
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And then you just bring this guy into gobble up rebounds and give extra possessions, potentially to maybe get some defensive boards as well like, And that's not a It's an important thing tohave.
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But over the course of his career, especially in Miami, it was always like, When is he going to take the next big step and you're like, he's not going to take the next day step like he's taken every step he's going? I'm not even saying that like, I'm not trying to dismiss about him like this is that's what he is.
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This is the player that he is.
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So teams he.
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So look at him that way and not expect him to do Mawr than just use him for what he is, and he could be at least valuable in that regard.
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But we start over, inflate what you think you can do for your team.
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That's where I think Ross's have done in trouble.
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My prediction is he becomes a pretty good stretch center to close out his career.
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Yeah, I he's developed the little free throw jumper.
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He's doing a little bit from behind the arc.
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I have weird faith that Hassan Whiteside is kind of valuable to close out his career, and it's a it's a weird killed a die on.
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But I do think like I don't hate his shot mechanically like, I think it looks fine.
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It's not great, but it looks fine.
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So in a weird way I could just kind of see it like him transitioning into being a weird off the bench center.
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Do you think it'll bounce around for a few more years here before you maybe catches on for you? talking like, you know, championship.
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Your kind of guy that Yeah, I think he's like, Like, what's his name? The guy that was on the Catholic Channing Frye, if you're not that good of a shooter, because Channing Frye was really good, but, like somebody that, like plays a really limited role.
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I could see that happening, or he's gonna be out of the league, and he just never figures it out.
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You know what I'm thinking? Yeah.
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Okay, I'm trying to be.
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This guy's got 67 years left.
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We're really gonna evolve some key areas of the game or he make it waived by the kids.
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Yeah, it's just this awesome.
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There's violently.
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Nothing in between on this text e like that. Okay, good.
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Good. That was three more years. No.
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Impossible.
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Absolutely not. No, he has seven.
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At least until a more minute.
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Yeah.
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Get another step on the court until he's 40.
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Um, his spot.
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That Kyle guy on the second one of them s Oh, this is though, when you think about the King's at a player like that, we know where the kings were last year.
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We know the moves that the sun's made this offseason.
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Some some teams made big splashes.
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Some teams didn't do anything at all or think that they did something when they may have relatively just swapped.
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Like for like, it could be in for a bit of a rude awakening.
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Let's start at West will start in the Western Conference at the back end of the West when, which is like a pretty exciting conference to be looking at.
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The Pelicans.
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Maybe didn't get a chance to get a full sample size of Zion.
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We know that they didn't make it into the bubble with playing games.
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The King's air.
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They're the sons, the Grizzlies Even do you wanna throw the Spurs into? That makes the Minnesota Timberwolves like What's the high, by the way, the unfortunate situation that is the Clay Thompson list.
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Golden State Warriors? Yeah, what's this hierarchy from? From six Thio below? Who do you see? Maybe falling out 67 and eight.
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What are teams that could possibly fall from a spot and what our team's you think can rise? I mean, I'll leave it and I'll take one off the table for you.
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I'll take the Phoenix Suns immediately off the table because we don't get toe go to the ones that we think that the automatic CP three boost and they make it in.
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But what, like what? One of these other teams, the pelicans, the the king's even up Even where the Mavs.
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Because are the Mavs in this group? So I think there are.
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They could rise from where they were seven playoff teams for sure.
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So I think it's the Clippers, Lakers, Nuggets.
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I don't love the Nuggets offseason.
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Still think their playoff team? I think the Rockets right now if they keep Harden, I think that Mavericks air in there.
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I think the Blazers air in there.
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I had the Blazers is three seed yesterday, which felt high, but, like, I don't know who else I like more right now on guy, have the sun.
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So that's seven.
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Right? We got 123 Yeah, seven, including the Mavericks to I actually think the Mavericks E Let's see what happens.
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Yeah, I think they treated out a little bit of offense for defense, which is good.
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I think that's important for the playoffs.
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But I think in the regular season I don't know how big of a deal that makes So, um so that's that's what I have right now.
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Those are my guaranteed playoff teams.
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Then you have kind of like a mix of the jazz, the kings, the pelicans and the timber oils and the Grizzlies.
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Kind of all fighting for that last spot.
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I would put the Jazz in, but I don't feel awesome about it.
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I think they're my eighth seed, right.
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And now you get a bonus spot to technically, because Okay, See, we assume is gonna is gonna fall down from what was in case people forgot.
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Fifth seed.
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Okay for them in these playoffs so you can take them out and even just shuffle yours too.
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We're used to be warriors from the 18 warriors or the ultimate high variance team.
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Sorry, I'm just completely just but in they're not very thankful of me to respect respect your time.
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Uh, there there aren't data high variance team, though they I could the warrior, like when you look at the warriors, Obviously you're not gonna have clay.
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But you have Steph Curry.
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You still have for whatever his whatever he is, he looked like a better version of himself in Wiggins there for a time anyway, You get bringing back.
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You don't quite know what he's gonna look like.
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But I mean, like, they're not, they feel like I'll put them in like that Spurs kind of category, just in terms off.
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Well, you don't necessarily have to feel like you have all the pieces you want in place or the talent level, etcetera.
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But you could be a really well coached team that still does enough to be in that playoff picture.
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And, by the way, and they on paper, at least you think just with Steph Curry alone, you have more talent than the Spurs have on their current roster.
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So, like there's a world where it feels like it's almost I know it's going to the West and the schedules.
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They're going to be more heavily conference favorites, so that could hurt the Golden State Warriors.
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But like if you tell me that you're walking in and taking on a team that we're getting excited about, the Phoenix Suns that out of CP three, I don't I don't automatically go.
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Oh well, the sun's obviously but, you know, I it's gonna be hard for me to push aside the Golden State Warriors this year in a lot of matchup.
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So, like to your point, there's a world where I can see them and they could be as high as six and then maybe maybe even the fifth seed if you talk about the Rockets and what happens to them and some of these other teams.
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So maybe they're a team that just getting overlooked and by the way, also then disrupt some of these younger teams that you're excited to that now they all lose 11 Position down the pecking order and somebody's gonna have to fall out.
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Maybe it's the Grizzlies again, and that don't end up getting that opportunity to back into the West.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I don't like even the Spurs.
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I kind of like right, Like, that's a interesting team.
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I don't know about the DeRozan LaMarcus thing, but like the Murray, you know, I love the cell.
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Uh, what else? I'm forgetting Derek White like, That's kind of an interesting little That's a defensive team.
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I wouldn't really want to run into tonight tonight.
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So even the teams that we're looking at towards the bottom, like who knows, maybe the king's heir better this year.
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They're reinvigorated, buddy.
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Hell doesn't have to worry about Bogdanovich, you know, potentially taking his minutes and forcing him into a trade situation.
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I don't know, like it's it's gonna be a really fun conference, and I just It's It's definitely it.
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It's gonna be fun night tonight.
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Um, you know, I mean, there's who knows, like I really don't know.
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I don't think the Mavericks are gonna fall out, but what's like, What's the difference between construction? Well, that's the thing, too.
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I mean, like, when you're talking about, remember your when we're listening all these seeds.
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But you go from the three seed all the way down to the seventh seed.
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There's a difference of 33 minutes between those teams.
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No, no.
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The idea of how these things can tumble higher or lower, especially in the West, is like I don't know, on a one game like one guy needs three days arrest for a little fluke, tweak of an injury and all the Sunday cost.
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A couple of games and you tumble down.
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So maybe it's a little bit of splitting hairs and the Houston Rockets become the other big one, too.
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because just like you say about okay, see, falling down.
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Now it's like if Harden goes anywhere, something does happen there, then obviously they're gonna fall at least back.
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But even by the way, like I don't know, like, maybe they just because they they get rid of hardened doesn't mean that they won't still be like that ninth ish kind of seed sitting there like they could look very different to watch them.
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But they could still be a team kind of mucking it up, depending on where they go, do you? I mean, do you see that actually happening? Do you see Harden going somewhere? I want him to keep him because the Christian I mean, look, I know you love would and and And they added him like I'm the boogie thing is kind of a That's not great.
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I don't think you should be doing that with somebody who is talented is coming to.
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But it just appears like market wasn't out there.
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It was like, you get hurry back.
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And I just think they wanted Thio, uh, Covington at all costs.
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So I don't love that, but I mean, I they're kind of a fun roster.
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If they have Rust, Harden and then they kind of are able to play something with Christian would who really mean like that's he is star potentially really done.
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So such a fan of his.
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Me too.
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Me too.
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Yeah, and I like this is kind of the right team for him.
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I really think so. Like it.
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So on the one hand, if say the whole pat and they don't move anybody, then I think, yeah, listen, dynamic, dynamic team, exciting team.
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At the very least, you know what they could do with just James Harden.
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So it's probably is probably off the table nexus of making a deal with the Nets.
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But in a scenario where you make a trade with the nets and you get back the likes of Caris, Levert and Spencer Dinwiddie to reform backcourt, you're gonna move on Facebook as well.
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Like I see what they've done in the East on the Brooklyn that prior to getting some of the big superstars, like if you tell me to have Caris, Levert, Spencer, Dinwiddie and Christian would as this, you know for sure the young team like that's a nice younger team that in the Western Conference.
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I'm like, Yeah, what? Like back end? You know, 7th, 8th, 9th.
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Like they're gonna be in that mix and they're going to make it difficult for teams on the night tonight basis.
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So, like, it's probably somewhere in the 54 Thio eight range, depending on moves.
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But I don't think you could just but them out of the conversation right now.
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Yeah, I I would I would be a little bit worried about because the West is so good.
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Like you look at that team like it's a really good team, but like you think about the players that air, that that's like a really good team.
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I think for the East, the West is like, you know, that I like is Caris, Levert and Christian would And like, Is that really gonna move me? No.
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Like, what's the difference between them and like the Timberwolves? And I don't even mean that in like like, yeah, that I'm just looking at, like, talent wise, like I don't taxing.
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If there's that much that separates, that's how good the West is.
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I have the temporal is gonna be a bottom three seed, and they have two players that if they were in the East, maybe a playoff team easily.
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I don't even think it would be a question.
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We'd be looking at them like Are they better than Indiana? But I don't know e think we could make the case, so it zta uff I don't know.
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It's a really tough conference.
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It's unforgiving.
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Um, I do like and did witty.
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They're kind of at the same age as Christian would question.
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What is 24? I think so, Um, it's that mid that mid the mid twenties age, they're, you know, they're a little too old to be on a pelicans team where you know, this is okay.
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By the time we hit our primes, you're gonna be 30 and we don't know you'll be at the tail end of your contract or we're gonna give you a new one.
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Are we paying you till you're 33 you know, we don't know what cares, Lover.
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It's gonna look like a 33 but you're also not like the youngest player on a really great championship team.
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Like I don't know the Nets, uh, the young guy on the nets raw on the nets roster is character 27.
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So So I think that it would be interesting.
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It makes a little more sense.
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I just want them to keep, um, hearted and rust, though, because look like Christian would 97th percentile roller, which is insane.
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So he gives you that verticality threat, and then he can pot to three.
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That's like the perfect center for both of these guys.
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But Russ especially like, that's a really intriguing option.
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I just I'd want them to do it, and I really do it.
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Like if you get Boogie healthy to like, That seems really interesting.
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They're fun to watch.
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Yeah, I'm excited from where this offseason started.
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For the Rockets, this is a much different sense of what this was gonna be.
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And then and by the way I'll even throw it is we'll go over to the East.
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But you could even look at that and say, Like, say, a deal comes across for hard at some point to your point about Westbrook and Wood and what that how that could complement both of them nicely in their games.
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Like there's still a world where you still keep Russell Westbrook there with Christian would and with other pieces, and it still looks good and it could still be competitive.
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So that was something fun to watch.
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I wish whatever was going to happen, like I wanted to come out and say, No, we're doing nothing.
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And this is the team or yes, we are going to We're just not going to do it until X date.
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Just so I know.
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I just wanna be able to quantify the Rockets and know what they are or know what it looks like for other teams around the league, because that's like the biggest piece to possibly happen.
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I think they're trying to I think they're trying to build for those guys.
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Like, right now, I also look, they sign Sterling Brown.
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I love that.
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Get, I love that.
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Get I mean, that's like, That's your next Daniel house.
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Uh, whatever.
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You know.
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Okay, Tucker, like three, indeed, forward like that's exactly what you need.
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Here's the thing to do, and I'll say on the Rockets, you know, we we talked about this one is like, Well, the player driven league, the agent driven league, like there's something about the Houston Rockets basically having their two best players, the two superstars on the team go and that even veteran guys like P.
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J. Tucker and all that go.
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I don't I hate it.
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I don't want to get me out of here. I'm done on.
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And they just kind of wrote it out.
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Like I don't get it all.
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They obviously feel that they have the conversations, But like, and they said, you know what? Okay, so you're gonna be here, and it's a nice double down of like, not only you're gonna be here, and we probably could just run it back as is.
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And I live with the results and being middle of the pack kind of playoff team.
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But then you go and you get Christian would so like to your point.
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I get it.
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You don't love it.
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You don't love what's been happening here.
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It's been a bad experience the last couple seasons.
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Whatever.
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Here you go.
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We're bringing in.
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Yeah, we're different ourselves.
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Better from what we've been.
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And then let's see if you still totally hated here because then there's there's this world where James Harden gets to finish his career in Houston and arguably maybe at the back end of it from Yeah, I I just I don't know, like that's all.
00:21:08
They all decided they were out.
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But that's after the warrior like you have e get it like it's a new G m and a new if you're those two stars and be like, Oh, this is like, I don't feel great about this, Like you just got one of the best.
00:21:31
Like maybe the Onley free agent on the entire market with star potential.
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Like I I don't Who else would it be like unless you're a big Bogdanovich guy, which I mean he's I don't think he's gonna be a star.
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I think it will be a player, Sure.
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So it's like our friendly like you think he's gonna be starting.
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Maybe he's an all star once, like kind of late career Kyle Lowry.
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I don't know.
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I just I just you have to feel enthused.
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I was very left.
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I go.
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Well, I figured I was gonna stay with the Pistons.
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But, you know, they are within Detroit gonna pistons, as they just totally go off the board with their plan.
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Yeah, no clue.
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So I don't know.
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I don't know.
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One of these other interesting teams with a couple of mid 20 players could like, Could he be a wrapped er without make a little bit of sense, right? Like he would go to the Raptors, play with Pascal and Ogi, like one of those teams I thought would try to get him where it's like a really smart, you know, by low franchise and and And knowing he went to Houston, I was just like, Oh, interesting.
00:22:33
So flip it over to the to the Eastern Conference there.
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This is the one, like, Listen, some teams in the West and make a lot of moves.
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Maybe lost a little bit Talent, small tweaks.
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Thes air conference is a little bit weirder to me.
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Um, we know things **** kind of fall apart there for the bucks.
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They end up bringing in D.
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J. Augustine for $21 million.
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That's a bit of a head scratcher.
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Um, you know the Celtics, the more I look at what they did and how the roster looks now, I don't feel as shaky on them.
00:23:02
If I did it all like, I think Oh, okay.
00:23:05
Like I kind of get it.
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I think they're going to be relatively in the same kind of position that they were last year.
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Um, you know, you just let me ask you What would you have the standing? Because I was I was emailing with somebody yesterday, and, uh, and they asked me to try to, like, put my stand.
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Like what? My Eastern conference, Um, standings were and me and it was hard.
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I had no idea.
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I usually have, like, a pretty good feeling.
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No clue. None.
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None? None.
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None? Yeah, it is interesting.
00:23:38
So we and we I just talked Teoh guy who covers the Raptors and started thinking about, like, their moves.
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And you say, Well, you know, losing losing surge is the bigger piece out of the two from Gasol, because Gasol looks like he's, you know, more on the back end, then.
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Not just maybe, more athleticism at that.
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Five positions.
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So now you start to say, you know Baines, Is he again? Superstar? No, but in terms of like, for like and just feeling like the roster and the results are gonna be relatively the same.
00:24:08
I actually feel pretty good about them now.
00:24:09
And the van fleet piece.
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It's not about what I think his ceiling is.
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Just about what I think is value is to the rafters.
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So I had to do it, Man, it's really hard.
00:24:18
It's so really eso.
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Here's what Here's what I'll say.
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This is This is a This is This is obviously the perfect thing to do is doing on the fly.
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That's what I did yesterday and I regretted it immediately.
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All the West, right? I'll say now.
00:24:32
And also I'm gonna factor in that.
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The Brooklyn Nets.
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I don't think that they're going to be nearly as concerned about the season as they are about the playoffs, so that I'm kind of that in.
00:24:43
I might actually I might actually go to Toronto as the as the ones who, because if you think about the fact that they are running back the Van Fleet Lowry lineup and you can say what you have or don't have for size, um, again, I don't think they're losing a lot in the pieces that left, and I think that O.
00:25:10
G.
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Is This is the straw that stirs the drink for them is about to take.
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And I believe you're the one who even mentioned it on the defensive and alone.
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Oh, good.
00:25:21
That that team ends up being in spite of being a very small backcourt.
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Everything else has length has reached, has defensive a***en, and then on the offensive end, like the offensive end, is probably gonna be the biggest question mark.
00:25:35
Just in terms of our we already putting too much weight on what Siaca didn't do in the bubble for them versus what his regular season was, because we were all pretty.
00:25:43
We're all feeling pretty good about Siaca over over the course of the regular season, so I just think that listen like they're really well put together.
00:25:50
Well run, well coached team in the Eastern Conference and I think the reason why maybe I put them there one again, because I don't think Brooklyn's gonna be worried about wins and losses in the regular season.
00:26:01
And I don't know, like you've actually kind of convinced me a little bit.
00:26:12
Feels like that's a playoff thing in terms of what holiday can do for you.
00:26:16
That's not a regular season thing.
00:26:17
Then they may have some growing pains with what they lost and what they brought in, and just in terms of familiarity and continuity.
00:26:24
So God, I hate being Hey, I I I'm disgusted with doing this.
00:26:28
Uh, Raptors.
00:26:32
It's hard, man Thesis.
00:26:34
So this is so stupid.
00:26:35
Raptors, Celtics E.
00:26:39
That's the top four eso I'm gonna tell you my, my I don't mind in order I had I already hate my list.
00:26:46
I think I'm too low on my six.
00:26:49
I have the bucks, the number one after all the stuff I said, I just like, think Yannis is worth it is worth the regular season or whatever.
00:26:58
I affiliate number two.
00:27:00
You know what e? Here's the Here's my problem here.
00:27:03
I just talked about this, right, go.
00:27:05
Here's the thing.
00:27:07
We all agree that Phillies been a dumpster and they can't seem to figure it out.
00:27:11
But even just bringing in Doc Rivers, let alone any other things that you did was like Okay, like, I just I look at him and I go, I bet he figures it out.
00:27:22
You know, I bet he does enough perimeter pieces that they're surround them with, like, that's probably the team that you see.
00:27:29
This is why stupid? Because I'm reading through last year standing.
00:27:32
I don't get to the name Philly yet, so I don't I don't I don't get them into my rankings.
00:27:37
Yeah, that's a good what they have up there.
00:27:39
It's interesting because they're like they have a roster that's built for 2021 or whatever the seasons, too.
00:27:52
Um, and I just like they made little things, like, I think, the difference of Danny Green and and who's was fine Andi and Seth Curry, who I like.
00:28:02
I could see that just making a world of difference just by having a normal offense for for the year, 2021 because I just they clearly weren't as great on defense is.
00:28:13
Everybody made them out to be.
00:28:14
So trading out a couple of players for guys that can space the floor a little bit.
00:28:20
I just don't know.
00:28:21
I like it.
00:28:22
I like it. I think they have.
00:28:24
They're like if you're looking at teams in the Eastern Conference that have to, like, really deal superstars or stars is Miami Brooklyn? Depending upon how Kyrie looks and Philly, they just do like those that Philly might have the best 12 punch in the entire conference, to be honest, like they really might.
00:28:44
It depends on what's images, but it also depends on where you fit defense into the calculus of s****om.
00:28:51
I think it's really important.
00:28:53
I think that's where Simmons is so valuable.
00:28:55
Um, region, my list.
00:28:56
So I have affiliate to I Brooklyn it three.
00:28:59
And that's the one that I'm just like I don't know what like, where could they could be anywhere.
00:29:04
They could be the six seed and I would be like, Okay, And they could also, and like I said, like now say, say that we all assume that it's, you know, 20 games off for Katie.
00:29:11
20 games offer Kyrie problem with the world we're living in, like live in the world where they take off 10 games apiece, a two seed, you know if they're on the floor.
00:29:20
If you told me that every 100% health across the board, I can easily walk myself into the Brooklyn being the one seed in the Eastern concept if they're going to play the games, and that's probably the tricky part in terms of where you end up sliding because you said like and also wouldn't be remotely a referendum on them if they were a five seed.
00:29:35
Yeah, you go.
00:29:36
It just means they didn't care.
00:29:37
Yeah, no.
00:29:38
And they just rested their guys and they were like, we're just gonna let care Silver and Spencer Dinwiddie.
00:29:42
Or if they were both on the team, let them run the show.
00:29:45
I have Miami at four.
00:29:47
Which was another one.
00:29:48
I was like, God, I really don't think Miami is gonna prove it all.
00:29:51
It just feels weird, but I don't know who to put them over right now.
00:29:54
Yeah, I don't know, Like, and I like what they did.
00:29:58
I like the Avery Bradley signing.
00:29:59
I like Mo Harkless.
00:30:01
Getting those guys for for cheap is cool.
00:30:03
Um, just I don't know.
00:30:06
I don't think they improve substantially, which feels weird because they just went to the fund, but fluky run.
00:30:13
I don't know what else did to say.
00:30:15
I really feel that way.
00:30:16
I Boston five.
00:30:18
That was the one that makes instrument.
00:30:20
I.
00:30:22
So can I be worried about the mike? Yeah, You need to figure this.
00:30:34
All right.
00:30:35
Now, like when you a couple of months.
00:30:37
Excuse me, sir.
00:30:38
Stephen's, uh e like No, we're talking about here.
00:30:45
Yeah, so they.
00:30:46
And if you go to the month and a half of the season, two months of the season of of Kemba Walker, Danny Ainge is like trying toe, you know, see what's out there for Kemba Walker.
00:30:59
He's dangling like Kemba Walker when he's injured.
00:31:01
I don't know weird stuff going on over there.
00:31:04
It was just started adding vibes from the Celtics.
00:31:07
Overall, I like you still look like their bigs and say, Yes, you know, like and listen, do I think that what they have now is, I think, better on paper than what they had last year when you were getting, you know, getting some doses of cancer.
00:31:26
And it's not even knock on cancer.
00:31:34
Actively.
00:31:35
And probably the Tristan Thompson grab is probably the most important to to Tatum and his development, because I agree he'll offer he'll create more spacing offensively and freedom for two.
00:31:49
Yeah, Daniel tights on a vertical space.
00:31:52
Well, that Z E rate is a backup, though, that I might be one of the best backup centers in the lead right now.
00:32:02
That's a great backup, but yeah, no, I I like that.
00:32:06
Move.
00:32:07
My worry for them and It's like Who's their table setter like? I guess it's Tatum.
00:32:10
If Tatum grows into that because he was showing signs of it, then it's not a worry.
00:32:14
But that's the part where I worry a little bit for them.
00:32:16
Like man, they are gonna miss Hayward's ability to keep everybody connected like he's just he's that, I don't know.
00:32:23
He just He's got that extra level to him.
00:32:26
Smarts.
00:32:27
A great, like a really great pastor.
00:32:29
So maybe you just divvy that up between eight AM and and smart.
00:32:33
But don't worry about a little bit.
00:32:35
Do you think that's like one of the things with with the Celtics, like coming off the last year and seeing Campbell Walker? I mean, they've had Marcus smart, but like when smart flashes these stretches of being ableto to do it all, Yeah, they like you.
00:32:47
Then look and go.
00:32:48
So then Camba traditional style point guard, like Are you, actually is.
00:32:53
What is your true value to actively stem that tide like we don't need to have a true facilitator at the point guard position.
00:33:04
We actually would be better off with, like, ah guy, that is better playing off the ball a little bit and can spot up from the outside. Maybe.
00:33:12
Yeah, I I think that's a good point.
00:33:13
Like I at first My initial thought is I'm like, Well, I don't know.
00:33:19
Take him, like, just be your point forward at all times And like, you're like, Hey, but we're just gonna assume that your ball handling is gonna improve every year because it has so far, um So I could see that, Yeah.
00:33:31
I think the problem for them with Kemba is they run this switching defense, and that's great.
00:33:39
Till one of the defenders that's getting switched on to people is a guy who's like, 6 ft tall and just can't really stay in front of anybody.
00:33:49
And that's where it's like, Okay, this is not This isn't great, like we your great on the offensive end of the floor.
00:33:56
But my goodness, people are just picking on you.
00:33:58
So that's the part where I'm like, man, I don't know what spot that they should add, like maybe it's just another defensive guard.
00:34:06
Or maybe they even just bring in another forward, Um, and run smart at point guard.
00:34:11
I do.
00:34:12
I don't know. I kind of think about that and like, wonder.
00:34:14
Or maybe they get like, a big point center and, like, go that route and see.
00:34:18
And then there's only so many of those out there.
00:34:20
So that's like, Just grab a point, just a yacht.
00:34:23
Describe him. He's just chilling.
00:34:25
So there's only so many, but yeah, even like a hairy Giles.
00:34:29
They're like somebody that a little bit like somebody along those lines where you're like, OK, um, like that maybe they go that route.
00:34:36
So you have You can play a little bit bigger, run switching defense, and you don't have to worry about, Okay, we have one guy that's gonna get picked on a little bit of a multiple party here around the Celtics.
00:34:46
Do you think one, um, for all the swinging and moving and wheeling and dealing, Um, should they have been in on the Christian would conversations if there was an opportunity, Get that guy because I think you talk about that would have been if you if you told me that they added Christian would I would look at them as being okay.
00:35:05
Watch out, regardless of what you do with Kemba Walker like that would look like a very different dynamic for that roster on both ends of the floor.
00:35:12
By the way, I would say, like, what would like that? Maybe they have to do a sign and trade with a double sign and trade with the Pistons and my father Would they do with Gordon Hayward? But then I realized, What are they gonna do with Mason? More look, a nice mid level deal and we're gonna do a Germany grant is their second option.
00:35:31
So maybe it's perfect.
00:35:32
They're like, Oh, great.
00:35:34
Ah, weird move.
00:35:35
Let's do it, Okay, because here's the second thing was, and that's just more like an off the cuff when you talk about just dynamic, you know, someone dynamic and a big.
00:35:44
Is there any world where you could see? I guess you have.
00:35:47
The label is a three way deal because the Nets would wouldn't necessarily have any interest in a Kemba Walker.
00:35:52
But would you? Would you think that a guy like a Spencer Dinwiddie if your move if you if you're moving out? Kemba Walker and you were sliding in Spencer Dinwiddie to be the starter to be the point guard in the backcourt alongside Marcus Smart.
00:36:06
Would that change how you look at the dynamic dynamic of that scene? I think it be interesting.
00:36:12
I I wonder who the Nets would grab.
00:36:15
Um, boy, that's like a tricky like who you like.
00:36:20
Where, where you sending Camba and what did they have? That would be, you know, a piece that the next interesting? Yes, yeah, exactly.
00:36:28
Because there's nobody. There's nobody. I mean, it was playing guys.
00:36:30
On paper the Nets would take off of the Bronx is Boston's roster.
00:36:32
I don't think they're sending them over, but because when you talk about the Nets and they added, Sham it they added Brown, you still have carrots and, like, you know, a shuttle. People of the hierarchy.
00:36:43
You know, also that then.
00:36:45
But he's going out on a player option after this season.
00:36:47
So, you know, getting value in return.
00:36:50
It doesn't even have to be the biggest piece of the There's a word like, Is there a world where it's like the nets? Just get back draft capital out of the whole thing? And I don't even need a player person.
00:36:58
You could God, who do they have? That's on a mid level contract right now.
00:37:06
That's tricky.
00:37:07
Oh, boy, you really stumped me here.
00:37:08
Um, this is my This is a good one.
00:37:11
Good one.
00:37:12
Who needs a point guard? Sixers could use a point guard.
00:37:15
Uh, not sure who they would trade.
00:37:18
God, I mean, that's the asset piece, though.
00:37:21
There.
00:37:22
There's your asset back to Brooklyn just to get Kemba down to Philly.
00:37:25
Who else? Oh, yeah.
00:37:26
Who else could use a point guard boy? The Sixers could maybe the books.
00:37:29
That means they have drew holiday starting at point guard. I hate that.
00:37:33
I saw that.
00:37:34
I was like, I don't know if I mean, I guess you have you honest running things and kind of by committee.
00:37:38
It's really weird that a point guard, I guess.
00:37:42
I don't know.
00:37:43
They had blood selectors.
00:37:44
They didn't miss a B, but, um, yeah, so maybe I don't know.
00:37:48
I don't think the bucks would want anything to do with Kim because the defense stuff.
00:37:51
So maybe the Sixers, I think that's facing would be nice there.
00:37:55
Um, the Clippers maybe.
00:37:58
Would they need him? Yeah, Well, good.
00:38:02
I'm like, Well, we take him, we need him on the roster, but that's really we're looking at two.
00:38:09
Uh, okay, that's tricky.
00:38:11
No wonder they couldn't find a place to trade him.
00:38:13
Where? Ugo, I'll tell you.
00:38:16
I'll tell you one spot that depending on how you perceive, um, how you'd like them to use them, the Lakers wouldn't would be actually a nice a nice spot for timber.
00:38:27
If you think that you prefer Schroeder not to necessarily the automatically in the starting lineup for you, Fine.
00:38:36
And maybe it's that mix and match up.
00:38:37
Yes, when LeBron's on Schroeder, your up to the to and then you can have Kemba in it.
00:38:43
The one, though, with Schroeder still there when LeBron comes off and rotate those pieces a little bit.
00:38:47
Yeah, like what if they hate the Schroeder fit and they're like, This is just not working.
00:38:51
And they take Schroeder, whose mo with that and maybe I don't know what else.
00:38:55
God, they just don't have any extra money.
00:38:56
But I like how, like how How long? How valued is Kemba Walker like, you know what I mean, like e like it's a big like it like that, like that's a legitimate like That's like That's probably the reason why you're talking like looking for deals like it wasn't just about like, oh, what could be accomplished Making the pieces fit like it was like, Does anybody want? Does anyone see Kemba Walker as a needle mover? Further roster.
00:39:20
So you're talking about getting to a really fine window of teams that are really going to be competitive this year.
00:39:24
I think that deep playoff aspirations and then still the thick piece of it to your point like, but he's not that big.
00:39:30
You could be a liability defensively, and there's the injury piece like you have a really tiny, probably market space that you're trying to operate.
00:39:38
And if you're looking to move off the Kemba Walker, yeah, he's a small point guard that can't stay healthy right now, so it's not crazy market for that right now.
00:39:49
It's really good, and I think he makes sense if he's your third star.
00:39:53
But but it's tricky.
00:39:56
I just and that's the tough part for the Celtics.
00:39:59
That's what kind of why I'm low on them.
00:40:01
I'm like, No, no, they're a team that on that team like you need Jalen Brown to take a step now you're like now you're like it's it's go time like we have the two Jays.
00:40:13
That's our 12 And if Jalen isn't there, then I don't know Then then Kemba is your number two.
00:40:21
That seems fine, but you don't have Hayward there anymore.
00:40:25
Like Hayward, at least like he couldn't stay healthy.
00:40:27
And that sucks.
00:40:28
And his tenure there was kind of just a little bit of a tragedy.
00:40:32
But boy, like if he was healthy, that, at least, is somebody that can put on at least a face of being a number two option or number three options.
00:40:41
Um, and now they don't have that.
00:40:42
It's just they kind of are what they are.
00:40:45
So you better You better hope that Jalen Brown is ready and campus healthy.
00:40:49
That's that now you're now all in on that.
00:40:51
What is campus contracts right now? Is he a 30 $30 million. 35.
00:40:59
He's not doing anybody any favors now.
00:41:02
How does nothing I'm like like I've even like thinking about the idea? It's like, No, maybe just looking him is like, What is it at? Oh, it's It's rough.
00:41:10
It's It's a eso.
00:41:12
He makes 34 this year.
00:41:14
Next year makes 36.
00:41:16
Then he makes 37.6 No.
00:41:19
37.
00:41:20
7 and 2022 2023 c to pay him all the way through 2023 when he's 32.
00:41:26
Um, e s so weird.
00:41:32
Like he's still still still relatively young like, But, you know, you think about him is being like man.
00:41:37
And it's probably because the injuries you just feel like, Oh, my God, like this.
00:41:40
You just has somewhere on the tires because I even because that that's a problem to the content, some randomly, like, you know, trolling through some of these rosters, right? Oh, like you said, What the Dallas Mavericks really do? I'm like, Oh, maybe maybe you didn't You know you'd be nice Disturbance that backcourt pot there with Tim Hardaway Jr.
00:41:59
And you could move Luca into the two of times, whatever.
00:42:01
But then you go, not a 30 not a 30 something million dollars.
00:42:05
You're not doing that like I'm talking about.
00:42:14
Be a supplemental peace like all these videos, like his destined role should be, as opposed to being like a leader and a key cog.
00:42:21
And unfortunately, the money is not going to be there for a number of years before teams are like, Great, I'll take a flight like you know, you should be looking at yourself closer to Iraj on Rondo.
00:42:30
I'm not, you know, not going like for like in skill, set or age or point of their careers.
00:42:34
But that's where I think for us.
00:42:42
And if you don't if you're not having one of your best means, we're not having a good season.
00:42:47
And that's where Boston that feels like for Boston right now.
00:42:50
I mean, I he's just he's a number three option paid as number two.
00:42:58
Yes, tree like it's tricky.
00:43:00
And, uh, yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it comes down to them losing Kyrie and they tried toe.
00:43:07
I I didn't I didn't love the the move in the moment.
00:43:10
I was like I just don't know, like, what is? Kemah is a top 25 player, maybe top 20.
00:43:17
You could slide him in 19 a year ago.
00:43:19
I think I did.
00:43:20
I believe I did a top 20 actually, about a year ago, I put him in 1920 I didn't feel great about it.
00:43:27
And I was like, I guess that's cool.
00:43:29
Um, but you better hope that Jalen Brown is somewhere in the top 30 as well, Like, and I just not there yet.
00:43:36
He's very good, but I don't know.
00:43:38
All right, Alright. Right.
00:43:40
So let's get let's get out of here.
00:43:41
As I look over this thing one last time, because I mean yeah, I gotta I gotta finish my top.
00:43:45
We somehow lost, right? We completely got away from it.
00:43:50
Lost in the shuffle of Boston.
00:43:52
A team that we both agree is not we don't think is going to have a very good way.
00:43:58
Should focus on.
00:43:59
Okay, but recap I'm gonna go.
00:44:08
But five boston getting better about it.
00:44:10
Might want to drop them lower, actually.
00:44:12
Might put them six.
00:44:13
I'm gonna move my five.
00:44:14
Which is Toronto up the spot? Yeah, I You talked me into this.
00:44:19
I don't know why I'm so low on them because they lost Marc Gasol, who wasn't good last year.
00:44:24
And then and then Serge Ibaka, who's nice.
00:44:26
But I mean, you know, again, like in Serge Ibaka.
00:44:29
So I'm gonna move them up in neighboring veins who's just like, kind of a nice, nice filler spot for them.
00:44:36
So that's pretty nice.
00:44:38
Then I have Indiana at seven, and I have.
00:44:40
This is where it gets crazy, all right.
00:44:42
I have the Washington Wizards and Number eight.
00:44:44
I don't like the Hawks.
00:44:45
I don't like they did.
00:44:46
I've looked over and I said, Oh, callin Ari and Bogdanovich.
00:44:49
And then I'm like, Who is defending on that team? Well, im readiness.
00:44:54
Well, by the way, like what are we doing here? Whatever moves they've made, they have to make a 20 game when jump.
00:45:01
You know, you only you only won 20 games, 2047 last year.
00:45:05
So even if you like some of the moves, you're still OK.
00:45:09
Are all of those? Most collectively, try one team or wins for you Like that's a big lead to take on those who have a lot of people on that on that team that needs shots.
00:45:17
That's a lot of people like, Look at this.
00:45:20
They have.
00:45:21
You could say they have John Collins, who knows what's gonna what's happening with him.
00:45:26
Trae Young, who I hope learns to be a better off ball player this year, Gallinari who they're now paying a nice little hefty chunk of their salary to.
00:45:36
And then Bogdanovich, who is another guy who needs the ball in their hands like, Is this not just Kings East now? It's kind of what it feels like, You know, it's like it's a lot of people that need shots, and they all do the same things as each other.
00:45:50
It's very weird.
00:45:51
Team s So you have you have.
00:45:53
You have Washington getting into the eighth seed.
00:45:55
We can.
00:45:56
We'll run around a little bit if I run this down real quick here.
00:45:58
Now again, I'm gonna go.
00:45:59
I'm still gonna go with Toronto in the one seed.
00:46:01
I think they're gonna be the regular season bulldog.
00:46:03
That isn't going to necessarily show up in the play.
00:46:05
I love you, too, but we'll go.
00:46:08
We'll go with Toronto, then we'll go with the bucks.
00:46:10
Will go with the Oh God, you know what? It is tricky to do it, but I'll say I'll still say I'll take the Brooklyn Nets a three.
00:46:18
The 70 Sixers at four.
00:46:20
Um, I'm take the take the heat it five, I guess, and I'll go with the weird.
00:46:32
They're more than that, but like feels that they earned more respect than that.
00:46:37
And yet, I don't respect them that much.
00:46:39
On day, I'll take the Pacers.
00:46:41
It's sick to say that things really don't go well for Boston this year.
00:46:46
I'll put I'll say they fall all the way down to a 70.
00:46:48
Because by the way, the Pacers are consistent.
00:46:51
Team doesn't mean they excite you.
00:46:52
Doesn't mean they're gonna go deep in playoffs, but they're basically the same roster that everyone didn't think was going to be able to do anything last year and showed up and got themselves into the playoffs is a mid seat.
00:47:01
So I'll say that the Boston takes a big tumble and then my eighth seed.
00:47:05
Here's where it gets interesting, man.
00:47:07
Um, you know, technically, Orlando didn't do anything bad.
00:47:11
They didn t o Hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:47:15
So you might You might think that they should be in the playoffs, but they clearly will not.
00:47:21
I'm actually going to go.
00:47:22
I'm gonna go ahead and say that for as as head scratching as it may for feel in the big picture, I think the hornets make that little bump.
00:47:30
I think that's a place.
00:47:32
Yeah.
00:47:33
So I'm gonna give the Hornets.
00:47:34
You're gonna go bulls.
00:47:35
No.
00:47:36
You know, I do want you, but see it happening.
00:47:40
And e I am I am high on them and I think that they look a lot better.
00:47:43
So now when we get into the wizards assuming that they stand pat, obviously they could do it with wall and deal there.
00:47:49
But we talked about that before.
00:47:52
I think there are sleeper toe.
00:47:53
Have a nice Jr crew before they can fully take the boiling cobwebs like they have the boiling cursor, but hanging over the benches.
00:48:05
But if you think of personal e no, he's not here.
00:48:10
Guys, guys, guys, it's OK.
00:48:11
He's gone bad video sprints like, Why are we doing right? Um, but But I think that they could be a team that can move their needle from being Listen.
00:48:20
They won 22 games last year in a shortened season over 72.
00:48:23
I think they could be up there over 30 wins this year.
00:48:26
Like I think there's there's a needle to get moved there.
00:48:28
I will say, um that I think Atlanta's gonna jump up there a little bit, obviously.
00:48:32
But I will say people are very, very low on the New York next.
00:48:40
I think that they can.
00:48:41
I think they're going to be young.
00:48:43
I think that they have talents like I know everyone laughs at the idea of taking topping because you're older than Jared Allen, like Ha ha ha.
00:48:49
Okay, great, like they have a nice.
00:48:52
They have a nice collection of young talent.
00:48:56
They have.
00:48:57
They have a head coach that at least knows what he's doing.
00:49:01
I'll give them.
00:49:02
I'll grant him that, even if it ends up being running one of these guys into the ground like, I just think that they're going to be there going to be an exciting team toe watch.
00:49:10
I think that they will be entertaining toe watch and I wouldn't be shocked if when you look at the back end behind the eighth seed, whoever you think's going to be there, like I can see them being right there in the mix off, I'm gonna listen there there now.
00:49:24
But like the, they could finish ahead of the magic.
00:49:27
If the magic don't figure out what the heck they wanna be doing like by the way, for all that I said about Vucevic's and, you know, and then everyone talking about for the magic that I'm not. Not yet.
00:49:37
I'm not thankful for Figure it out because because, by the way, you won 33 games last year.
00:49:41
I know you had injuries, whatever.
00:49:43
But like, you're a bad team, you have two of them or notable names in the N B A and your bag.
00:49:48
So, like, you don't get to be that team for however many years that they've been rolling that out there like the Pacers.
00:49:54
They're supposed to be you right in saying that has some guys but can't quite whatever.
00:49:57
You're supposed to be a six seed five seed every year, So I hope that I really hope that Atlanta actually takes a bigger tumble.
00:50:03
So by the trade deadline, we could talk about peace is getting moved off there and how it kind of shakes up some of the MBA teams looking towards, you know, playoff runs.
00:50:09
But, yeah, I think the Knicks can be there and it ZZ Eastern Conference.
00:50:13
So when I say that they could be a 10 seed of the East, that means that they're dead last in the West.
00:50:17
So let's just it's all relative.
00:50:19
But I think that that's what I like about the East is that some of these lower teams will at least be more exciting toe watch on a game to game basis, so you can always get more competitive.
00:50:29
Interesting matchups.
00:50:30
Because last year, when you talk about the Knicks and even like I'll even say, even watching the Hawks, that wasn't fun for May I get that? It was fun to watch Trae Young.
00:50:38
Their games were those word games, you know, like s.
00:50:41
So that's why I like seeing Mawr.
00:50:43
Exciting matchups in games.
00:50:44
I think the he easily don't match for themselves.
00:50:49
Yeah, they owe the Cavaliers.
00:50:50
Haven't signed anybody know they got they got Damion Dotson.
00:50:55
So, by the way, well, when you talk about Chicago, you make these shakeups in Chicago and you know you do the stuff.
00:51:05
You okay, like one of the teams, you know, like, Hey, this is a team that you know, in the league, like the Cavs are, you know, like they've been around, man, like they shouldn't be this bottom dweller like you're not many years that they not had LeBron.
00:51:17
It's only been two, right? I tell you what.
00:51:21
The bill, what it feels like.
00:51:23
Like when you again I'll go back to you Ever talked about legacy pieces? Uh, it's been incredible, David, to get so low so quickly.
00:51:33
And while and by the way and while having Kevin love for whatever he is or is not.
00:51:39
He's an FNN NBA player like he's legit engines and you're this bad, like it is, that is, I don't know, man like that's pretty brutal.
00:51:49
You can't figure out not moving off of those.
00:51:52
Like, if you're you know, I understand Kevin Loewe's contract is big. It's not easy.
00:51:55
You couldn't move that a team would have.
00:51:58
You could have sort of that and gotten out of there like I just don't know.
00:52:01
I don't know.
00:52:02
Are they? Are they going to surprises this year? It all, I think that even more impressive than LeBron winning the finals with the Lakers, he's watching what happened to the cabs the last two years.
00:52:15
Equally impressive reason.
00:52:17
Hey, made the finals what 2 to 203 years two years ago.
00:52:23
I don't know if time is irrelevant.
00:52:25
Hey, made it two years ago with Larry Nance.
00:52:29
Rodney Hood.
00:52:30
George hit like he made the final, the NBA Finals.
00:52:34
And everybody was like, Well, that I think that team could make some noise the next year.
00:52:38
Nope.
00:52:39
They're one of the two worst teams in the conference.
00:52:41
There is back the Knicks the next year and the next year they're like, Well, you know, they call in *** is bringing No, they suck again.
00:52:47
Like it Z It's been more impressive than any championship How bad they've been since he's left, right? What? Are you impressed by LeBron James? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:52:58
I'm impressed with the Cavs.
00:53:00
They really you replace LeBron was settee Osman and you are in trouble.
00:53:08
Same, Same, same same, but different.
00:53:09
It's almost identical.
00:53:11
You sweat your eyes and you can't even tell who's on the You know what? I'm uninterested piece about this too.
00:53:17
Is you mentioned you mentioned about Hill like think about the fact that you went to the finals with Hill and that roster hill goes over to the box.
00:53:25
And just in terms of like, how you evaluate pieces to a successful championship.
00:53:29
Run him on a Yanis with Lopez with Middleton roster Guess what? Hills value is also directly tied to having LeBron James on the roster, and LeBron James does in a game to to make every single piece around him that much better.
00:53:45
That's probably the hairsplitting difference when you talk about the ****es and LeBron's and Katie's and whatever like this is why I look at LeBron as being, you know, the greatest of all time. I don't have to get those debates.
00:53:57
But just because his impact is not just his game, yeah, and I think the honest is that that same type of player, like it just is it feels like, you know, like if you play with him, you're just gonna have a career year like Georgia led the league in three point percentage.
00:54:11
Last George Hill.
00:54:13
Things like, Why didn't no, I did not see that, you know, happened.
00:54:17
I figured to be a Seth Curry or a Duncan Robinson.
00:54:19
Nope, it's George Hill, So yeah. No, very, very.
00:54:23
Those guys, just our floor racers.
00:54:25
By the way, what team is George Hill on? There's a fun quiz.
00:54:30
Oh, because he didn't go in the trade? No, he's been around.
00:54:34
He's moved a couple of places.
00:54:36
It's like trying to figure out what seemed Trevor Rees is on.
00:54:39
I actually because they got shuffled like they were, like, under the peace.
00:54:43
We move in this deal, but we weren't really taking you.
00:54:45
It's the fifth team in this deal that's going to end up with you.
00:54:47
Where is George Hill? Where is your town? Where is Trevor Ariza? Trevor Reason was traded, like, five times last week.
00:54:55
George.
00:54:56
Hell, it's going to surprise you for George Hill.
00:55:01
He's not okay. See, now.
00:55:04
Yep.
00:55:05
That one sucks.
00:55:06
That was a shocker.
00:55:09
Like Okay, Georgia was on the Okay, so Yeah, he's on the thunder. Okay.
00:55:13
Yeah.
00:55:14
Is that their starting point guard next year? That's interesting.
00:55:16
Oh, that is a weird one for me.
00:55:19
Yeah, I kind of like the SG I like. No matter.
00:55:22
The thunder of reshuffled the deck like, 19 times already.
00:55:27
And no matter what they do, I still like their roster.
00:55:30
I'm like George Hill s t A.
00:55:33
It's not.
00:55:34
Hold on a second.
00:55:35
Hold on City Hold on a second, though.
00:55:39
Is Trevor Reza also on the Oklahoma City thunder.
00:55:42
No, he's on the rockets now.
00:55:43
I always thought he is officially, we don't for sure.
00:55:47
For the next two hours, who knows? For at least the next couple? Oh, my God.
00:55:53
Cause I just I just said that the quick search that I did for George Hill.
00:55:58
Also the Trevor Reason one, they take these things out.
00:56:01
Okay? Sick is he? And if I'm on ESPN right now and he is the backup behind Baizley now, I don't know.
00:56:09
So we may have when we were playing a fun game of where George Hill and Trevor Ariza are, we may not have realized that they're both in the same exact location on the Oklahoma City thunder tie breaker is gonna be.
00:56:22
He's on the Pistons.
00:56:24
That's three different.
00:56:26
No basketball reference.
00:56:28
That's what reference saying he's husband.
00:56:31
What team is this guy on? Because he just the first time in NBA history he's a flex player that will be playing on seven different rosters during the season.
00:56:41
All of them? Yeah, only.
00:56:43
Well, that was that. That was the agreement.
00:56:45
You can play on any of the bottom 10 teams in the league.
00:56:48
Uh, that That is too good.
00:56:51
Oh, my God.
00:56:52
I don't understand what team he's on.
00:56:54
I see the to top the two top articles thunders trade for Trevor reason.
00:56:59
And then, uh, that's the top part. No, no. Here.
00:57:03
So here you go.
00:57:04
You had him on the Pistons, but then the piston sent Trevor Rees in Oklahoma City and received Dale and right in a in a three team trade.
00:57:11
This is that it's just from five days.
00:57:13
He's on the pistons.
00:57:14
Wow.
00:57:15
What a help us.
00:57:16
An adventure? No, no, But now But he's on.
00:57:18
Okay, See, now the piston sent him thio Oklahoma City.
00:57:22
God, this is too much for May. Fantastic.
00:57:24
I might have to tweet this.
00:57:25
Be like someone Help me, please bail me out.
00:57:28
Just to be clear.
00:57:30
Is Trevor a reason why you? That's it. That's it.
00:57:35
To the n b a.
00:57:36
Li.
00:57:37
It's like having like a lost child.
00:57:39
Like when you put the If you've seen If you've seen if Trevor reasons on your team, please, please call this number.
00:57:47
Oh, God.
00:57:48
There's some graphic design work here that needs to get done, but by me for this to go up all right.
00:57:52
That's that's my new project.
00:57:53
Where where in the world is Trevor? Reason? Listen, regardless of that, by the way, though, I will say, Well, get out the door here on this because this is, of course, how we do it.
00:58:01
Spent over an hour on Thanksgiving morning talking about the N b A.
00:58:06
That's it.
00:58:07
The George Hill peace, who they put behind SG A and then you got ta swallow their A t too.
00:58:13
But I do I at least get that.
00:58:15
This is such a silly thing to get to, but I do get the idea of Okay, we lost CP three.
00:58:19
How do we just bring in a veteran guy at the guard position to help supplement like I get I get ending up with George Hill.
00:58:24
I don't know what the net value that will be for that roster, but okay, so you'll be my sleeper fun team to check it out just to be, like holding on there.
00:58:32
Yeah, like like what? What What is going on in O k.
00:58:34
C like they could be a surprising team to keep it on their really fun there.
00:58:38
George Hill s G, A lewd or Al Horford.
00:58:41
That's something that's actually a decent defensive team.
00:58:43
I don't know who your four is, are they? Not possible, but it it might be Trevor.
00:58:48
A reason you gotta wake Poco poco would.
00:58:53
That would be very interesting.
00:58:55
The corruption him as like, hey, let him continue to see themselves. But in O K.
00:59:00
C.
00:59:01
Depending on takes.
00:59:02
And even though for me based on parts could help like that could really help like that.
00:59:10
You know, that's a veteran that knows what he's doing.
00:59:12
And it's like, Hey, rather than just being like you weigh, you know as much as this pen and throwing you in at center.
00:59:19
Um, you know, putting him next to Horford, who is like a cinder block, is that might be the way to go.
00:59:25
You kind of use them like the you know, the Knicks use posing.
00:59:28
It's to start his career.
00:59:30
Is there in the world that they could Jeff Goldblum it and put him into a you know machine, three other side.
00:59:35
But they're split into two separate, well balanced, waited individuals.
00:59:39
I don't even know if they need.
00:59:40
Thio isn't like Pocho is like the old like God If he pans out, he's gonna be so fun.
00:59:46
Like you can hit threes.
00:59:47
He's quick like he's.
00:59:49
Yeah, he's talked about about the draft.
00:59:52
You man, he was one of the guys, like in 19 for the Nets.
00:59:55
Of all things stood Pat, you don't actually have anything.
00:59:57
Whatever he's like.
00:59:58
Yeah, of course.
00:59:59
You take a flyer on poco, you're saying, like seeing three years, but you don't have to worry about anything right now.
01:00:03
Like that Be the beauty of being a team that's already well established for a player like that.
01:00:12
You're with your partner there in the my my lady? Yeah, I'm in Brooklyn, so yeah, not not flying home California this year.
01:00:19
Eso I'm chilling here today.
01:00:22
Just having a nice, easy day walking the dog.
01:00:25
It'll be nice.
01:00:26
It would be a chiller.
01:00:27
Do you? I gotta ask, though.
01:00:30
Are you Are you preparing deal? Are you going Thio? Are you getting culinary for your special someone? We're Yeah, we're doing a little We're gonna do a little take out today.
01:00:37
I think that's the move.
01:00:38
We want to support a local eso.
01:00:42
I think that's what we're doing today.
01:00:43
We're keeping it really chill.
01:00:44
We're gonna go out for Christmas.
01:00:45
So we're just kind of like you know what? We're big Christmas people.
01:00:49
Thanksgiving.
01:00:50
We're thankful we're thankful for the O K C Thunder.
01:00:53
But we are not my new sleeper watching. They're pretty fun.
01:00:57
Yeah, by the way it is.
01:01:00
Take out Christmas Day.
01:01:01
So Christmas Eve, like the big family holiday for us on Christmas Day, is like present whatever.
01:01:07
And then just kind of like a lay around.
01:01:08
And that's when we do take out Chinese food, just cart just carton strewn across the table.
01:01:13
But this one will be for us is, like, just my immediate my my girlfriend, my immediate family that, you know, that's a nice little are anybody.
01:01:23
Buffel? Yeah, the six enjoy the relaxing Thanksgiving Day with your girl themselves.
01:01:36
And, uh, you know what? I didn't know what was gonna happen, but it turns out Adam are broken that Brooks could get that darn thing done on a Thanksgiving Day.
01:01:44
No worries stuff out there.
01:01:46
We'll be back again next week, doing the same thing again, talking about the n B until next time, everybody be well

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