Good morning, everyone.
Figure we'd start with little style today.
We missed the last couple of days.
We, Mike and I decided, uh, that we're gonna go to the golf course instead of doing our job on Mondays and Tuesdays, So yeah.
So we're back here.
We missed missed a couple episodes this week, but we're ready to go.
We're ready to rock and roll are ready to talk some some football, some sports, some handshake gate.
I hope you're ready for it, Mike, because I've been chomping at the bit all weekend Thio since Monday night.
Thio jump all over this.
So without further ado, I'm gonna bring in my latex salesman.
He is my president elect.
He is Mr Mike Debate Mike.
What's up, buddy s? No, no, no.
How you doing, buddy? Wednesday, November 25th, Thanksgiving Eve.
But Thanksgiving Eve, We're happy to be here, bringing wisdom and counsel to the masses.
Well, at least bringing something to the masses.
I don't know about any wisdom and council.
Not a whole lot of that coming out of noise. Yes, absolutely.
Noise is always good, but hopefully hopefully we can educate people in this, um, handshake the Bacal that's going on right now.
That also happens to be in the middle of a pandemic, which nobody seems to be mentioning, but I'll fall on that sword.
Um, please, God, let me say, first off, I don't care.
Pandemic not I mean, e first.
You know, when when this first became an issue, or at least this season became an issue.
Um, people brought that up and I thought, Okay, alright, whatever.
And I'm shaking it.
But whatever he's, he's obviously interacted with other people.
But this is the bottom line. I don't care.
I don't give to flying the Knox about about it.
I really don't I really don't because really, at the end of the day, it's shaking hands and no one gives cares.
I mean, because it zits Tom Brady.
That's why people care.
Um, he could go after a Super Bowl and talk to, uh, Nick Foles one on one behind closed doors.
And no one would care they'd be like, but he didn't shake his hand.
It's like, Good God people, Do you? Is this really where we're at right now? Like I understand, Like you're you're gonna hate, uh, players that that your team has gone up against or you've seen other players be successful. That's natural.
I mean, everyone doesn't you know, every successful player that's not on your team.
You're gonna have a little bit of, uh, animosity towards, You know, maybe it's not, you know, with bad intentions.
But, you know, it's it's sports, so it's natural.
Um, this is starting to get a little ridiculous.
And and and look, this isn't just fans.
This isn't just like no name accounts on Twitter. We're talking.
We're talking national, uh, television show is getting up on there and and basically almost going full Mark Brunell and crying on camera about Tom Brady not shaking someone's hand.
And it's like, you know, like, really just go screw.
I mean, I mean, I'm about to have the same reaction that you had to him not shaking hands and saying, Get over it, get over it.
I mean, it's stupid.
It's its's such a idiotic thing to get upset about, and really, all it does is just show what your true intentions are in.
That is Oh, I hate Tom Brady, So I'm gonna put it on.
And look, I'm not up here, you know, falling on the sword like you say, falling on the sword for Tom Brady.
I'm not sitting here trying to defend him at all cost.
Although it does come across that way, I think about it sometimes.
So I'm like, man, am I Am I going a little too much? And I Am I defending him a little too much? And then, um, media members come out and tweet things like, Is anyone ever going to call Tom Brady out about not shaking hands? I feel like I've never seen this before.
And I'm sitting here banging my head up against the wall because clearly, thats person has not paid attention for the last 12 hours because literally every person does this every single time that he does not shake someone's hand.
And it Z, it's so frustrating because what are we talking about here? This is in sports.
This isn't debating, you know, uh, how good or how not good that play calling was how how poor The bucks played in general, for the most part in that game, we're talking about things that are completely unrelated to football, and basically it's it's stupid.
I mean, if you're arguing, if you're ****ed off that he didn't shake someone's hand.
If you think he's somehow a bad person, I mean, that's that's the best part.
It's like this guy's, uh, committed time money effort into many different causes.
We've seen it up here for 20 years in New England.
The things that he does for the community, the role model that he has been for this community and because he doesn't shake some, some quarterbacks hand.
He's a bad person, like come on, like look in the mirror Because I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure you're a lot worse person than he is, if that's what you're complaining about.
So rant over, I guess.
No, it's not rant over.
I completely understand where you're coming from.
Look, you and I have had the good fortune of being able to cover Tom up here in New England.
We know the type of guy that he is, the work that he's done in the community, how his teammates absolutely respect the guy from the minute he walks in the facility to the minute he leaves.
And beyond that, I've never heard a teammate of Tom Brady say a bad thing about him in terms of what type of sportsman he is in terms of what type of competitor that he is.
And in terms of how he views himself in the pantheon of American football, this is not a guy that you know, you know, demands to be carried in on a dais.
You know, for someone that you know, has this lofty opinion of himself, You know, we tried to here all that Oh, they demand we call him sir.
That was debunked in about 30 seconds.
You know, all of this stuff that comes out about him again drinking the sand, my friend.
You want people thio? You want to give people something to bite onto? They wanna hate Brady.
So you give them something like this.
I will say it creates a bad look.
It does create a bad.
Well, Tom Brady all of a sudden goes off the field, doesn't shake Jared Goths hand, and it leaves himself open for criticism.
So that bad look because it's Tom Brady, though, because you don't ever hear this type of stuff about any other athlete.
E mean like This isn't the first time an athlete didn't shake another athletes, and I mean, it literally happens all the time.
I mean, do players go and shake every single player's hand on the other team? No, they don't.
So, you know, you're picking and choosing, but sorry. Good.
No, I mean no, but I mean, it has this has gone back to I mean, I could remember as kids, you know, I could remember us watching, you know, the Pistons and the Bulls and the Pistons leaving the field there, believing the court.
Excuse me before the end of the game, of course, that was the subject of the last dance.
But there's another point.
You know, I keep interrupting you, but like that's the thing.
The same people complaining about him, not shaking hands are the same people who probably sit there and say, Oh, you know what? I missed the basketball from the eighties and nineties when people weren't just friends all the time, which I get.
I understand that I think at times, and and this is part of the part of me that's competitive and likes to compete and and obviously likes to enjoy, enjoy watching teams compete.
Um, I think, you know, in some leagues they've gotten everyone's gotten a little too buddy buddy, you know what I mean? So, like that. That's my opinion.
It, you know, people can disagree with me.
I'm not going to sit there and call you stupid or anything like that, but I do find it funny that people are.
You know, I think there's if you're gonna put a pie chart together, there's gonna be a lot of overlap of the same people sitting there complaining about Tom not shaking people's hands.
But the same people sit there and say, Oh, the MBA was better when you know the Pistons and Bulls were basically choking each other on the, you know, choking each other on the court and then just telling each other to go F off and not hanging out after games.
You know what I mean? So to me, that's funny.
No, and in a lot of ways that it is.
And I think that, you know, it's it's disingenuous because you're absolutely right.
It's a double standard that Brady is held to, that no other athlete is really held Thio in these cir***stances.
And look, you have to bite onto something.
You can't attack the guy for the body of work that he's put out in the last 20 years.
That's why whenever he has a subpar game like he had the other night, everybody is going to harp on it.
They're going to absolutely eat it up beyond belief and serve it to the public as the dish that everybody wants.
So here, here is the evidence that Tom Brady has fallen off the cliff.
Here's the evidence that he now sucks.
He had a bad game.
It happens to quarterbacks.
It happens toe all quarterbacks.
Let's see how he responds.
We've seen him have bad games this year, and then we've seen him come out and have very good games This year.
He completely fell off a cliff.
He would not be having a good game, a bad game, a good game, a bad game.
I think a lot of it has to do with scheme.
I think Bruce Arians needs to stop, you know, yelling in the microphone, maybe take a strong look in the mirror and determined that his play calling is putting ah, lot of what we're seeing on the field in jeopardy between Tom, he and the chemistry he's developing with his receivers.
So maybe maybe the coaching staff needs to take a little look in the mirror when it comes toe.
How this has all gone about, you know, working out in Tampa so far.
Well, and look, I'm not going to sit here and say, Oh, uh, in some people suggested Bruce Arians is too hard on Tom Brady.
No, that's not the case.
Bruce Areas just to me comes across as an idiot.
I mean, like, let's be honest here.
I mean, you know, he's not being too hard on Tom.
No question about it.
What? What I think he's doing is, I think he's looking to deflect the blame.
And to me, that part of being a head coach, part of being a head coach is taking that blame upon yourself.
For all the faults that Bill Belichick has with the media and how everybody always looks to, you know, um, amplify everything that he does wrong as well.
One thing you will not see him do is throw his players under the bus.
I don't think I've seen it in 20 years that he's been here and he won't do it because that's not a style.
Um and then that's and you know that.
Excuse me, That's the point I'm getting at Is that you know, I'm not going to sit up here and say, Oh, he needs to be soft on it But when he says things like, Oh, I think you got confused by the no, I think you're confused by by what is good and not good play calling.
I mean that that's what The compute, that's where the confusion is because, like, you know, if if he goes up there and says these things and and he's doing what I think is right for this team to get them ready, then, yeah, okay, whatever.
I'll keep my mouth shut.
Let him say his thing, but he's not.
In my opinion, I think there's a horrible game plan, horrible offensive calling, and I know he's not the offensive play caller, but again, he is the head coach.
So that falls on him, Um, but left, which definitely needs to be put under the microscope as well, without any question.
I mean, the defensive effort on the defensive efforts down there have not been good.
They It was good.
It was good for it was good for the second half with everyone.
Get how poor they played in the first half, you know, therefore, furthering the narrative that, um, Tom Brady was three soul cause for the for the reason this team lost and and that brings me to my my final thing, which you would think Handshake gate would be the most ridiculous thing that I had to discuss with people.
But for the love of God, people, please Tampa fans, I'm begging you, I'm begging you.
Stop bringing up Jamis Winston.
Tom Brady is a better quarterback now and will be until, uh, every for every second that Jamis Winston has been in this league, including right now.
Tom Brady is a better quarterback, his better quarterback for Tampa.
He's doing more things for Tampa than James did.
I? I can't believe how many people have sit here and said, Well, at least we're getting We were getting three plus touchdowns a game from Jamie's Tom Brady's averaging more touchdowns than James.
He is on pace to throw more touchdowns than in any season that Jameis Winston has had in his career.
And I don't even have to mention how many fewer, uh, turnovers Tom Brady produces than Jameis Winston right now, despite him having nine interceptions, he is on pace to have about a third of the turnovers that Jamis Winston had a year ago on a team that was clearly at this point in the season, not even sniffing the playoffs.
So anyone out there that's even suggesting that, like somehow Jamis Winston would be better for this team.
I I thought it was a joke at first, but there was far too many of them.
And I honestly, I don't know what saying like that that has me concerned for humanity, not just sports, not the sports world.
Things concerns me on on a much grander greater state level.
To be honest, no, and again it Z people that are clamoring for that, really, just I don't know what to tell them, either.
I mean, I really and truly don't and I'm not going to sit up here and try to start, you know, ragged on Jamie's or anything of that nature.
And I know that's not what you're doing not either, but anyone that they rather have him at the helm.
Tom Brady is in a way, I guess.
But, you know, I mean, at the same time, it's really more about the feeling about Brady being the quarterback of the Buccaneers is supposed to going with J**** for another year.
I think in a lot of ways people just they react to the moment they react in the moment, and that's a big fault of the way the media is covered.
You look at, go back and take a look at People's Twitter feeds from Monday night.
Tom throws the interception.
Tom has a bad moment all of a sudden.
Brady not looking good.
Brady looking 43 Brady Looking bad.
No, Brady is not doing good.
Brady is not doing well.
People that are casual fans that are not watching the game or they have an eye on this, and I on that doing holiday preparations.
They're looking at that Twitter feeding there, going Oh, this is terrible.
It sucks again. 43.
They should have gone with J****.
It feeds into the narrative that they want you to feed into because it's gonna bite onto it.
Look, you know, get up on Monday on Tuesday morning made ah hole segment a whole hour, I think, out of just bashing Tom Brady.
I mean, it's what people want to see.
You wanna keep coming back to that dark night? Uh, you know, quote, you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
And in a lot of ways, I think that's exactly what's happening.
Now he's got, you know, Patriots fans, and I use the term very loosely that are really giddy at the thought of watching this guy struggle, which I can't understand for the life of me.
I'm not saying and then you have people that are coming back and going Well, it doesn't Just because of Tom Brady's on the Buccaneers doesn't mean I have to root for the Buccaneers.
Since when have you given a frog's fat ass about the Buccaneers? Really? I mean, nobody did until Tom Brady went down there and played for Tampa Bay.
I don't think anybody really cared what happened in Tampa Bay other than when the Patriots were playing them, so no one's asking you to be a Bucks fan.
It's about wishing Tom well, wanting to see him do well if the Patriots can't be in the playoffs competing and going deep into the playoffs this year and playing January and February football.
What, you want to see a guy like Tom Brady, a guy like Rob Gronkowski, do well and be able to advance? Uh, to me, it just it's It reeks of sour g****s, and it reeks of the maturity.
The people that feel that way about Tom.
Um, and you know, you also have Buccaneers fans now that we're looking at it and going, Oh, you know, we're not much better off than we were with James.
We just should have stayed with what we had.
It's the narrative of the moment.
If Brady writes the ship and they start winning and rattling off winds to close out the season, all will be forgiven and Tom Brady will be the king of Tampa Bay once again.
That's just the way this new site goes.
There are winning. That's the thing.
This team hasn't been to the playoffs since the Bush administration.
They were the exact opposite record.
Now, uh, they are winning and I'm pretty.
It's a big reason for it.
And it zits funny, because again, I always I always go back to the guys like Nick right, because I think he's just bad at his job.
I think he's a fan boy that should probably be hosting a Kansas City local, uh, program.
Um, Thio hype up his his team because he's not good at his job.
He'll go up there and he'll push these same things.
And and it's so predictable when when Brady's doing well, you won't hear a peep from him.
But then he'll get up there and have some, and it's not just about, uh, just inaccurate ****ysis, but it's it's the condescending nature in which he he does it.
And you know that that obviously rubs people the wrong way, and and look, there's a market for that.
I mean, that's why he's on TV.
Let's let's not kid ourselves.
There's a market for that people.
People eat that up because they don't care about facts they don't care about accuracy is I mean, you could set up there and spew whatever the hell you want and asl ong as it fits what you want.
Okay, that's fine.
I don't care, you know? Okay, call them whatever calling this.
Call him that next nexus about his job.
That's that's one.
That's one place where myself and our our good friend John Sap Ajeti will always disagree with because I know he likes Nick.
But I think he's just I think he's bad at his job.
And I think eventually, um when LeBron is gone when Tom is gone, you know, a lot of people are going to kind of lose where they're at because these people basically live off of positive or negative Imo.
And at this rate, it's mostly negative coverage of these players.
And that's kind of their thing.
I mean, look A, uh and I hate to say it looks like a lot of these quote unquote local Boston media members who have literally there.
They've continued to like, and it's so obvious, and it's so petty and you could tell it's so transparent that they had these, uh, feelings towards Tom or these feelings of rejection for from him because they take these like little petty shots.
And it's like, Dude, it's like, Are you going to sit here and continue Thio Reid, uh, Brady's coattails, or you're actually going to do some football ****ysis and, you know, do your job.
As the coach would say so again, there's a lot of, uh, it's a lot of things on rap from From Look at it.
This is what happens when you don't get on the air Monday and Friday.
All this stuff kind of build up, and then we kind of, uh, covered on once.
But in a way, buddy, it's good it gave us time to recharge.
And speaking of eating it up, let's take this back to a Thanksgiving trend.
Buddy Joe from Hull is listening to us this morning.
He's on the tweet machine, and he said that.
So basically, what we're saying is that Tom Brady his hand and Jamis Winston is turkey eyes this? Yes.
I'm gonna let you handle this.
I'm gonna let you handle this.
My friend let you take this one.
Look, I did not wake up a few months ago and decided that Hey, I'm gonna be, um you know, a guy that that has to remind everyone that Tom Brady is better than James, my son.
I didn't think that was even remotely something that I was ever gonna have to deal with, because it's quite obvious.
And look, I'm not going to sit here and say, Oh, Jamie, look, Jamis is what he is.
I think he's a you know, he's got a big arm.
Hey, turns the ball over a lot and that's that's who he is.
He's he's a He's a middle of the pack quarterback at best.
In my opinion, uh, Tom Brady, at worst, is the middle of the pack quarterback and at his very best, which I think we've seen a lot more than we've seen him at his worst this season.
Um, he's easily a top five.
I could make a case and again, this'll.
This doesn't mean he's the same players he was in 2007, but I could make a case that he could still be the best quarterback in this game because I don't think anyone matches his knowledge.
His mind, his ability to read and react to defense is now again.
Just because you play a different style of quarterback doesn't mean it's better.
So again, Uh um, I gonna sit here and say, Oh, he strengthen this case? For every been out, I obviously this past week are you gotta win these games.
Uh, this was a you know, a bad day for Brady was a bad day for the offense.
A bad day for the defense and horrendous day for the play calling.
So, uh, but here's the thing you could tell very easily the people that are just watching and kind of king in.
And I made a comment and I, you know, for for many reasons, I I had wished that they completed the comeback, but they didn't.
But I tweeted a comment Azaz the the comeback was still possible that Tom Brady was on pace to win a Super Bowl.
And people like Wait, what the hell are you talking about? Well, mhm.
His stat line, his performance and what he was doing on the field was eerily similar to the greatest quarterback who's ever stepped foot on a blade of grass.
Patrick Mahomes and I say that with an incredible amount of sarcasm because I do not believe that, um, that he is the greatest quarterback ever.
Step foot on the face of the earth again.
He had a poor game, very similar.
Thio Brady in the Super Bowl.
Um, he, much like Brady, needed his defense to to make some place towards the end and give credit where credits dio the Kansas City wide receivers made plays for Patrick Mahomes when it counted.
Um, Brady did not.
But at the end of the day, you're talking about almost a very similar stat line, and I know that I don't say any everything, but if you watch the game look, Patrick Mahomes was not good in Super Bowl.
He played well down the stretch.
You gotta give him credit for that, but for the most part, he was not good.
So this perception that that Brady can have a poor game like this and all of a sudden like, you know he's washed.
I mean, that's the thing.
There's a middle ground here, folks.
Good players can have poor games.
It's not out of the realm of possibility at the end of the day, and this is what doesn't get talked about enough because people are too busy talking about handshakes.
The guy is 43 years old and he's on pace to throw between 33 36 touchdowns and around 11 or 12 interceptions this season at 43 years old, which would put him right in the mix.
As with some of the top quarterbacks in the league at 43 years old and no one gives a bleep, it's all about Oh, he didn't shake his hand.
What, of course, but he's a bad person.
Forget about all the charity work.
Forget about all the things he's done over the 20 years.
He didn't shake that guy.
I think he's a bad person.
He should go to health E.
I mean, we've heard that we've seen that, like really O e.
Not for anything we've Yeah, we've seen that.
We've seen that.
It's because that's what they want to believe again.
That's what they want to believe.
They want Tom to be a bad person.
They look at something like this and that's sort of what I was getting at when I said it creates a bad look.
It's not that it's necessarily unique to Tom.
It's not that I'm getting on him for doing it or saying it's right or wrong for what he did.
But it does fuel into the fire.
Even sometimes if you do the right thing, if you can create a bad look and that's exactly what happened.
It just gives fuel to this This, you know, for lack of a better term.
Yeah, it gives fuel to the fire for people that just want to hate.
So, you know, bottom line.
But you know, it zits the pitfalls and the price you pay for being Tom Brady, I guess.
And, uh, you know, we'll see how he reacts this week.
And I we've seen it too many times.
We've seen him have bad games before and then come back and prove to everyone that he's still among, if not the best in the business.
And I still believe that's gonna be the case.
Yeah, Look, I mean, they could go out if they go out and be Kansas City.
All all of a sudden, all of this stuff goes out the window and we're right back to square one.
And, you know, guys like Nick Wright will be quiet until Brady there was another interception, which could be weeks from now.
So, uh, when it comes to football, that's gonna be exciting matchup.
Obviously, uh, potential Super Bowl matchup.
Potential big time matchup.
Who knows? Um, should be fun.
I I thought Kansas City was okay against the Raiders.
Um, you know, we've talked about the Raiders quite a bit and again.
I mean, this goes back to just perception.
I mean people so bad.
11 Patrick Mahomes of the D greatest quarterback to ever step foot.
I was good with that.
I just sneezed and I hit my mute button.
So we're good everyone.
Everyone on camera saw it, though, so e it was It was a very visible sneeze.
Um, you know, everyone so bad wants to anoint him as the greatest quarterback of all time.
But that obviously, Jade, your opinion, because I said it after the game.
Derek Carr was better.
He was better than Patrick Mahomes in that game.
His degree of difficulty was I mean, you know, we're not going to sit here and go game by game and say, Oh, this person average this much separation between receivers is that No, we're talking about visually watching the game and the eye test in this situation.
Um, Derek cars degree of difficulty was far greater.
I may be saw one truly impressive play, and this is an income Patrick Mahomes, because I'm not, you know, again.
He's taking what the defense is giving you and the his offensive players around him are really good.
So I'm not faulting him for that.
But to ignore that, to ignore that what's blatantly obvious to me.
And that's look, this offense relies very much on the skill players around them. They don't.
And and this is what drives me crazy when people and you hear all the time in these broadcasts like I'm just waiting for the Kansas City start pushing the ball downfield well, you're gonna have to keep waiting because they don't do it that often.
They really don't like.
People have this idea in their mind that all Kansas City and Patrick most does is sling the ball 40 yards downfield, threading needles.
Doing this doing that and it's the complete opposite of what they actually are.
And that is a a short pass yards after the catch centric offense.
I mean, why not? I mean, that's the player those of the players you have, and it's like, you know, people will sit here and, you know, go over the top when it comes to Wow, Patrick Mahomes says only he's the only one who's ever done that, and I don't know if you saw this or hurt this, but I retweeted this yesterday.
But you know, a guy that I've I've started thio warm, warm up to a lot more lately because I think he's also fallen victim to this quick anointment of Patrick Mahomes.
But but it's Aaron Rodgers who again has, you know, kind of been overlooked a little bit.
I will never you know again.
Packers fans have been guilty of over anointing him as well.
But I think there's there's a far better case to be made for Aaron Rodgers being in all time great right now, clearly because of the length of his career and what he's accomplished and everything like that.
So, um, but we're not here to discuss that What we're here discusses the comments he made, which I thought were pretty funny and again makes me warm up to him a little bit more.
But, um, he was on Pat McAfee's podcast on his show, and he was asked about the no look pass and he, you know, again, I think, you know, don't take it out of context.
I don't think it was meant in any sort of like, you know, hard shot.
But he was kind of saying like, Look, you know, Yeah, it was great.
You know, it was great when I did it a few years back before Patrick Mahomes.
And then he went on to say, And this is something that a lot of us have brought up to When? When it comes to this over the top praise for from homes.
Like what about, like, guys like Matt Stafford, who do all these things that have been doing all those things.
And and this is what Aaron Rodgers.
Um this is who Aaron Rodgers brought up in that conversation.
So I don't know if you actually heard that.
I wish I had the clip ready for here.
I should have done my job a little bit better, and I would have had it.
But he's basically saying what I think again, This is a lot.
A lot of people think like No, he's not the first to do this.
Stop with this disingenuous coverage of the guy, and this is kind of this comes from national, you know, quote unquote experts and ****ysts.
It's like guys, come on, this is It's just it's cheap pandering on DNA, not like quality coverage.
And then that z what it iss.
In my opinion, I can't say I disagree with you in a lot of ways.
You know? I watched the final drive and, you know, you look at Derek Carr being able to lead his team down with the Raiders, and you know, you had If you're, ah, chief's fan or if you're you know anyone, you know that that's that's a Holmes fan, your looking at this and going insurmountable goal.
But this is exactly what he's supposed to do.
This is how he's supposed to handle these situations.
You know? He went, you know, they drove down the field wide open, wide open Travis Kelsey in the end zone.
Um, and you know, it's impressive to be able to lead your team down, you know, in that type of tight time window and be able to do it again.
We keep bringing it back to Brady, but we've seen Tom to that How many times here in the window and just over and over again.
So, you know, great drive, being able to put it together.
But then the over the top comes you never see anybody do this.
You never see that This is something This is unprecedented.
We're seeing things that we've never seen before.
And it's the same narrative.
They gotta change the record on this kid.
They really dio Cris Collinsworth.
All Sunday night was literally and he was just chomping at the bit.
He was just like a salivating to just kind of, Ah, go, you know, just go out.
Ah, love fest with Patrick Holmes.
But he never really did anything that warranted it.
And you could tell because, you know, he's starting to get, like, all amped up.
And he wants that he wants to go in about greatness and this and that.
It's like, you know, he's a really good young quarterback.
And again, I'm not sitting here knocking him.
I'm not saying like he's bad.
I mean, that's not the case.
No, but when you're sitting here saying and these air words that he used at the end of the game, he continues to stack greatness on top of greatness.
I'm just like, Okay, all right.
You know what? I'm done.
Let's This isn't a jealousy thing.
I couldn't care less about because to me, I you know, it's meant as much as people want to say, he has a long way to go before he's Tom Brady.
So this isn't any sort of like, Oh, you're threatened by his his you know, Ascension.
No, like look, records and entitles are meant to be broken.
Am I t think that that forever Tom Brady will always be considered the greatest quarterback of all time? No, probably not. I mean, eventually.
Sometimes someone's gonna come down the line and maybe do things at a better rate than he does.
Maybe it is Patrick problems.
The point is, it's It's far too early to suggest that, and to project that because a lot of people are like, Oh, he's on pace for this.
And I used this ****ogy all the time.
You never, although mathematically, Yes, If you throw eight touchdowns in the first two games of the season, you're on pace to throw 88 our, uh, 96.
Sorry. My math is completely off.
You know what I'm saying? Either way, they there's a lot of touchdowns to be thrown that you're not getting 64.
Whatever the case is, you're not gonna throw, though, that that many people realistically think aren't gonna sit there and think, Oh, you obviously you're it's gonna level.
And that's kind of like where we're at right now.
Uh, Patrick Mahomes is about three games into a 16 17 games schedule when it comes to ah wanting Thio match what Tom Brady has done.
So So let's relax a little bit on that.
But the bottom line is, look, I mean, he's a good young quarterback.
I'm not sitting here saying he's by far the best in the league.
He may be the M v p frontrunner right now.
I mean, that's I mean to my, in my opinion, is kind of falling into that because of some of the play of the other guys in front of them.
And and again, you can't knock his his, um, you know, performance.
But look, he's not a he's not a football god like I mean he may end up having a really nice career.
But like right now, um, if you're going to sit here and say, Oh, there's no one who could do these things like Patrick problems that Z just untrue and end again, You could go down the list with a number of quarterbacks that can do the same things.
Let me clarify just because you run around that has nothing to do with making throws and you hear it all the time.
It's like, Oh, you know Tom Brady can't make those throws and I'm like, What are you talking about? He could throw to the back corner in the end zone.
He could beat double coverage like that.
He's like, Well, you can't run around well running around.
It's not making a throw.
Running around is running around.
That is, I mean, it may help you play quarterback, but it doesn't help everyone play quarterback.
So you know the idea that just because Mahomes does it differently or he doesn't more athletically, you know it doesn't make it better.
And hey, look, we'll find out it's gonna be a fun weekend.
So fun game upcoming week, so it will it definitely will, and I think that a lot will be revealed as this team starts to march down toward the end of season and to the playoffs.
It's one thing to say, Oh, it's a foregone conclusion that they're gonna go in and they're gonna repeat.
I heard that so many times on Sunday night after the comeback win against the Raiders.
It's one thing to say it's another thing to do it.
The great Ric Flair always said Toby the man, You gotta beat the man right now.
They're the man, But there are a lot of teams out there that could nip it. Their heels.
A lot of teams in the NFC, good amount of teams in the A F C, including one that's undefeated.
That, I think you know, definitely could pose some problems.
That pass Rush in Pittsburgh is phenomenal.
They remind me a lot of what the Patriots have done the last couple of years to a guy like Mahomes.
I'm really looking forward to potentially seeing that matchup, so we'll see.
We'll see what happens.
Still, a lot of football to be played, buddy, Yeah, and and and look, I mean, we're getting to the stretch run right now, I think we're seeing some.
Obviously, some teams separate.
The Patriots had a disappointing loss this this past weekend, but you know that that that breeds a whole another.
Ah, bunch of irrational reactions from a huge segment of people.
But okay, you know, it's it is gonna be interesting for one.
See if this Pittsburgh and Baltimore game actually happens tomorrow with all the covert issues going on.
But that should be a very interesting matchup, because I do think Pittsburgh's a better team.
But I do have some concerns about their quality of winds because it's I'm not.
I'm not discrediting that their record at their record, because we go through this.
We've gone through this all the time with the Patriots.
You play who you play and that that's not a reason to discount.
But when you look at it, when you look really diving into it this late in the season, especially, I'm not talking about two or three weeks and I'm talking about a significant chunk of the season is in the rear view.
Picture the Pittsburgh's.
It's hard to find a riel big time when over a really good team.
And that may come on Thursday because Baltimore, despite losing two games in a row, is pretty good.
Uh, do I? Am I certain that at the Pittsburgh Steelers are the best team in the NFC? I don't know.
Maybe Kansas City.
Maybe another team's gonna emerge.
I'm not quite sure.
On and again, I'm not trying to discredit Pittsburgh.
I think they're really good team, and I think they're not getting talked about enough, to be honest with you.
But you know, again, if you if you if you want to just kind of ignore what could be an issue or what could potentially be a fatal flaw and go for it, then you can you can, you know, living a much, much happier existence, at least until those flaws rear their ugly head in the form of a football game.
But I don't know.
I'm looking at it now and saying, Yeah, I like Pittsburgh.
I want to see them.
They don't have to prove that they're a good team to May, but I do want to see them be a really good team this season and I think it will.
Waking up a lot of people Thio, who this team actually is.
Yeah, this game coming up against Baltimore is going to be a big one.
Baltimore has got a phone in there, Paul Right now, without any question about it, they are really upset about the way they played the last couple of weeks.
Lamar Jackson is coming under a lot of fire nationally.
Some of it deserves some of it, I think is a little bit over the top.
I think he's gotten a lot of credit for things that maybe he are beyond his control or lack of credit, or been dinged a lot for things that I think are a little bit beyond his control.
I don't think Baltimore's defense has been nearly good enough, and I think they're offensive play calling has been pretty, pretty poor and his receivers aren't getting open.
That's another big problem that Lamar is running into, so they're going to look to right the ship this week and they really need to if they're going to continue to try to stay in contention.
Baltimore right now is in danger of falling out of playoff contention.
Believe it or not, this is a team that everyone thought myself included would be right there, neck and neck.
With Kansas City all season long, I thought the additions that they made were, you know, solid additions to the defense.
I thought the offense would blossom with another, you know, year under their belt for Lamar and those guys, but just hasn't worked out.
But this is still a team with a lot of talent, and they will give Pittsburgh all they can handle, save for the fact that it's It's a rivalry that is a very bitter one.
And when you have bitter rivalries, no matter how far out of contention these teams may be or how poor one team is playing as opposed to how great another team is playing, these are usually right down to the wire.
So could be the game of the week coming up.
But I'm looking forward to it.
I know I know that for sure, but look for Baltimore to give them all they can handle, and I agree with you.
Pittsburgh, in order to legitimize what they've done so far, needs a win over a quality team against this Baltimore team.
And though the sputtering right now would still very much qualified. Oh, look.
And the to their credit, they took care of business like they should have against Jacksonville.
They blew him out.
And that that's that's another indication of Ah, hold on.
I'm holding back another massive sneeze right now, so I'm trying to be professional here.
I don't want this Thio come across on the microphone.
So if I if I pause unexpectedly, that might be the case.
But, uh, yeah, look, they went out.
They beat Jacksonville like they should have.
So, you know, that's certainly an indication you just like again you want to see them with that big win, that signature regular season When, uh, that could really say, you know what? This They showed me a lot in this game against Baltimore and and maybe Baltimore slumping a little bit.
But that that divisional rivalry is always going to be, um, top notch top notch This past weekend, way talked about.
We had some fun on Friday when we gave our top five.
Our are survivors.
Siri's we drafted are survivors Siri's team.
But, um, for the 16th and final time, I didn't get that.
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Apparently you're listening.
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But I think that's probably, I think, serious speaking for all of our listeners right now.
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I mean, I'm starting to worry that Syria's been listening too much to our conversations.
I mean, it is starting to question the validity of them.
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Unfortunately, uh, but no.
For the 16th and final time.
And I say that all jokingly, with all due respect, um, the great great undertaker said goodbye on retired from World Wrestling Entertainment, So I figured we should bring that up.
Mention it. Yes, that's right.
The bells tolled one last time, Uh, again, you know, you see, you see all these, uh, examples of how long the undertaker has been in the game, uh, in the w w.
And the wrestling game, as they say.
And one of the one of the best ones I saw was, uh, they put up in image of him from like WrestleMania from like the original Nintendo like the little choppy, you know, cubed figures to like, you know, one of the more recent editions of, Like, W W E to K, or whatever the game is now.
And, uh, that gives you a good idea as to how long his career has spanned, because it's essentially spanned the whole evolution of video gaming.
So that's that's pretty impressive.
It is pretty amazing.
It really, really is pretty amazing.
And you think about a 30 year career.
Exact book ends November 22nd 1990 November 22nd 2020 The longevity that this guy has had throughout his career and again, so many great moments.
You see the evolution of the character being able to reinvent himself, being the only one that actually stuck with Vince.
It's the whole time, you know.
That was that was there throughout the entire run, and I know Sean Dida's well.
Sean took a couple of, you know, time off and a little bit of that nature, but the undertakes really there through out of the run.
He had his time away from the ringing it well, but Michael's were really the guys that stood steadfast to W W No one else did it for a while.
The taker was really I think the boss in that locker room.
Um, just just a phenomenal career and, you know, great great showman.
And by all indications, one of the great guys all around to you knew where you stood with Mark Calloway.
I think in a lot of ways, you're reading a lot of what people have said about him on what people have done when it comes to him, and, uh, it's it's been it's really been great.
So, uh, you know, congratulations to him on a great career and best of luck to him in the in the next phase of his life.
I think this truly is it for him.
I don't think this is gonna be one of those where Oh, he retired.
And then next week you're gonna see him in a retirement match.
You know, I think he's pretty much done.
Uh, he's paid his dues, he's done his job, and, uh, you know, it's time for him Thio to enjoy retirement.
So, uh, yeah, great stuff.
I can still remember being a 10 year old kid and watching him on TV debut and wondering, what is this? It was something like you've never seen before.
Um, and what's interesting is that, you know, we've done, you know, brother love jokes, and we've even done a brother love segment here on if you see radio live one time.
That was the original Manager.
Bruce Richard was the guy that was his original manager.
It wasn't pallbearer for those people that really, really want to go back into the early days of the taker.
Uh, go back to that Survivor series 1990.
We'll see him come out with brother love one of the few times Hey, you know, utilized him is the manager.
And then, of course, uh, you know, Percy came into play the Paul Barratt character, and it was It was great.
So awesome stuff.
Congratulations to take her on his retirement. Well deserved.
And yeah, I mean, people can make your job, you know, they could make their job to say, Oh, this is probably is about 10 years too late. Night.
I mean, I'm not going to sit here and and knock someone for doing what they love and truly, you know, for to do this as long as he has, he has to love what he does.
And, you know, I think that that was very evident by his passion for what he did and everything like that.
And look, if this is a business where fortunately, you can still have some success as an older guy, maybe one that hasn't got all the moves you quite had when you were younger.
But you know this.
This industry certainly knows how to utilize that type of talent, Maybe to their detriment, it at times.
I mean, that's certainly been a complaint of some or modern wrestling fans.
Is that maybe they rely a little too much on the stars of yesteryear, but I'll never knock him for continuing to do what he wants.
You know, he wanted to do and to do it for his life because he did.
Because, um, yeah, maybe he only made a few random appearances here and there and again.
He wasn't doing too many, uh, top rope walks as he did in the years passed.
But, you know, it's still the undertaker.
And I think in time people were gonna miss, uh, seeing, even if just for a a bit of a show, uh, seeing him in the ring.
So but fortunately, fortunately, we've got 30 years of history to go back and relive so, um, basically, almost my entire life worth almost, uh, almost not quite, but almost, but no.
All kidding aside, I think that, you know, it is a good way.
It was a good way for him to go out on the same show that he debuted.
Like I said, almost in exact book and 30 years, um, in between is just a phenomenal, phenomenal thing. So great.
Great job, great stuff for him.
And yeah, it's every w is definitely gonna miss him.
You know? He's gonna be a surefire hall of fame.
Uh, really, Really, really soon, Uh, one of those guys that could possibly be, uh, you know, having the requirement waived and just go right in, not even wait for the ceremony, But we'll say, you know, yeah, I mean, the you know, the w w Hall of Fame.
It z you know, it's a little bit different.
I mean, there's I don't know, way won't get into a debate about wrestling.
Hall of Fames were playing a debate about regular Hall of Fame.
So, speaking of speaking, although they did, um, the Pro Football Hall of Fame did release their list of 25 semifinalists, um, yesterday.
And it's actually something that the folks on the eye test podcast talked about yesterday.
Iran Clark because they're both obviously Hall of Fame voters.
But they talked about the 25 semifinalists that came out.
And there's a couple more Patriots.
Steven Seymour is back.
Um, Rodney Harrison made the list and, you know, this is something they asked and I brought up.
And it's something interesting from my point of view, being obviously a Patriots fan, but we're starting to see that first wave of the dynasty go up for for the Hall of Fame.
You know, I don't think this is gonna be a Pittsburgh Steelers 70 situation where you're talking about.
In hindsight, you see, Wow, there's like 89 10 Hall of Famers on this team Now.
I think there's gonna be far less from this Patriots run, but I don't know.
I I don't think it's crazy to think that both maybe both these guys eventually get in.
Richard Seymour, especially I think he's may not, you know, to to to a casual fan.
And I don't use this in an insulting in in an insulting way.
I I think there's plenty of casual fans, and that's not a bad thing.
I mean, not everyone has the time or the energy to keep up with the, uh, the nuances and the every day happenings of these sports.
Um, but to the casual fan, I don't think Richard Seymour pops up on any sort of list when it comes to old, most dominating defensive players of the two thousands.
But you talked to any football guy you talked to, anyone who knows the game, anyone who watched him play.
And you're gonna be hard pressed to find someone who says there's a better player at his position than Richard Seymour was during the time he was in the league.
And that includes winning multiple Super Bowls with the with the Patriots.
So it's cool to see that, and again, it's Ah, it's a nice fitting end to this run, which again, I think the actual, um, success.
Part of the run is over with, although again with Belichick still there, there's still some chapters to be written.
I do think that 20 year run is over on.
This is a kind of a bow tie on that you're starting to see some of these.
Like I said, the guys from the first run come up eventually the second run, guys, they're gonna come up, and that's gonna be a discussion when we're a little bit older, maybe have a few more gray hairs, A few more marbles rattling around up top. Uh huh.
But he will come.
It will be interesting to see in hindsight, when it's all said and done which players ultimately get in from this Patriots 20 year, 20 year run.
I think we know a few.
I think that Brady guys probably gonna get in talk about a guy who probably deserves, uh, that that waiting period to be waived.
Um, you know, the, You know, the second Tom Brady walks off the field for the last time, he should get right on the bus.
That had to can literally Yeah, but if he does, yeah, but if he doesn't shake hands, I mean, come on, you can't have him in.
It's gonna make Kyle Brandt.
Quite right, you know, I mean, you know, it's gonna It's gonna make you know its's gonna bring back Marc Brunel when he's gonna just appreciate what Tom Brady had to say.
In any case, I completely agree with you, especially with Seymour.
I really am hard pressed to find a case to not allow him into the Hall of Fame.
You hit the nail on the head when you said, if you talk to anybody that's been around pro football around the NFL, played with him or against him, they will consistently list him is one of the most feared defenders they ever lined up with or against.
To me, that's the status, and that's the measure of a Hall of Famer.
Richard Seymour definitely deserves to be in.
Harrison's an interesting case for me.
Um, you know, you look at the body of work, you look at what he's done.
On the surface, he looks like a Hall of Famer.
If you look at some standards, it might be difficult for them to say that this is, you know, something Thio to keep, you know, going into.
But I think Harrison should end up getting in, but that would be one that wouldn't absolutely shocked me if he didn't just because they're I think there are some extenuating cir***stances there.
But I think eventually you will see Richard Seymour get a gold jacket, and I think it's well deserved to be there.
Take a look at John Lynch, for example, one of his contemporaries he's been waiting for.
This is gonna be his eighth year now to get in now.
I think, Rodney, it was probably a better player than John Lynch.
I don't I don't think there's, Ah, I don't think it's a huge difference.
I mean, I'm not talking about like there's a huge gap, like, you know, Patrick Mahomes and every other quarterback has ever played the game.
You know, not that type of gap between talent but eso that might give you an indication as to where you know his candidacy and and and like you mentioned look, I mean, he had a reputation as a dirty player in the league that had far less scrutiny when it came to dirty hits.
He still had that reputation and whether it was deserved or not.
I mean, we both know that He's a very physical player and his type of play really set the tone defensively.
And look, that was the way the game was.
You couldn't really get away with that type of play now, but that doesn't mean that it was bad play then it was just part of the game then.
So, um, it will be interesting to see how that that plays out.
I believe in about a month or so, uh, they will narrow it down to the to the finalists.
And, uh, you know, you have a better discussion as to who eventually will be one of the five candidates that will go in in in the class of 2021.
So, uh, tomorrow we're going thio catch up with John Azzawi usually do on Tuesdays, but we're going to kind of circle back and get him on tomorrow to talk about that.
Of course we're gonna start.
What is tomorrow? Tomorrow's Thanksgiving.
Are we going? What are we doing tomorrow? Mike E Completely forgot.
It was Thanksgiving.
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You So you tell me.
You tell me what to do.
I'm trying to unite the American people.
I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what I really started to get Turned on by E didn't mean to hit that one, but a soon as I did, I just let it go because I'm surprised that hasn't become more of a part of our regular rotation.
I actually forgot about it, but I did.
I did, But I was.
I was trying Thio.
That's why he's not fit to leave folks.
This is why I am the man who should be leading.
Everybody knows that.
Everyone knows me.
Everyone knows I should be leading.
No, like I way will.
I mean, it's Thanksgiving.
I mean, I love Thanksgiving.
Ham is the choice in the Glendon household, and it always be the choice because, as I like to remind everyone, and I will surely do that tomorrow, eyes far superior to Turkey and Turkey.
Really, it's just a terrible meat that people have been brainwashed to believe is actually good because of tradition.
It's like folks drop the tradition just because it's actually it doesn't mean you have to eat turkey realize this.
And once you dio your life is gonna be better because you get to sit there and be like, Why did I ever subject gate myself Thio eating something this dry in this gross? So I'm just trying to do you a favor, you know? So if it angers you, I'm sorry, just, you know, again, trying to help everyone out.
But, uh, yeah, we'll do that.
We'll talk tomorrow, we'll get on the air.
Maybe we'll give give our favorite Thanksgiving dishes and we'll discuss all that.
But in the meantime, some in the morning is coming up here, and less than one minute we will be back tomorrow to preview all good stuff from Thanksgiving and, of course, the Thanksgiving Day games and gear us up for another weekend ahead of us as we wind down the NFL season.
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