Welcome to the NBK podcast.
This is Episode number two, ladies and gentlemen and we are here with the roof from the diehard next podcast.
We're here with raw Hebrew remnants.
We got some stuff to talk about.
We're gonna talk about the kids today.
Danny Smith, Jr.
Frank Nil Akina.
Kevin Knots all J.
We're gonna get down and dirty with those guys.
Even raw Hebrew.
What's popping with you guys, man? What's good, man? What's good? My brother.
I'm good. I'm good.
Feeling good? Feeling good? Feeling healthy? So goes a long way right there.
You help If you healthy today, you're blessed.
Especially this time of year.
So look, I wanted to talk about Ah, young guys.
Um, there's a lot of talk going around about Obi Topping, Of course, because he's the number eight draft pick, which, by the way, if you follow NBK, you know, we kind of try effective, right? Uh, evergreen was, you know, during the night of the lottery, his son came on.
Was winning number eight jersey a trap just before just before they started.
You know who was picked in what order I announced.
I said we got eight minutes left, guys.
Eight minutes left before they get going.
And then we find out that Obey Topping was rocking the number eight jersey when he was a kid Speed jersey.
So maybe we hit that trifecta and, you know, some magical is in the air, e eight in the infinite, infinite infinite sign.
So, you know Hey, I can't help but to feel good about it.
You can't help but to feel good about it.
But there's a lot of talk, right? A lot of talk, of course, about oh, be topping.
Julius Randle, Um you know, and how some of these stopgap veterans that the Knicks sign, they're gonna work out with the team.
And I think, what's being missed as's faras, You know, Las Vegas, you know, has us going 22 70 or whatever.
They're 22 50 right? And I think that what's being missed is that some of our young guys I'm going to take steps forward.
And when you're young, like you, when you're young, you take steps forward quicker than someone who was older.
Right? Because you learn a little bit faster.
You're like a sponge, so you take steps and bigger increments.
As you get older, those increments become smaller.
Sooner or later, you level out.
You're not taking any more steps forward.
You're starting, you know.
Go on, reverse. Right.
Decline a little bit.
So our guys, they're gonna take steps forward.
J. Barrett is gonna take some steps forward.
Kevin Knots, we hope, is going to take steps forward.
Frank Miller Kane is going to take steps forward.
Hopefully, Dennis Smith Jr is going to take steps forward.
I think people are missing that the success of this team could very well land on the progress of these young players.
Right? If these guys really have progressed, then who knows what could happen? I'm not saying anything crazy.
I'm not saying, you know, we're gonna be ah, fifth seed.
Right? But who knows how good this team could be, uh, to a limit to a limit if these guys progressed.
So I want to start with Dennis Smith Jr.
Because most people believe that Dennis Smith Jr is out of here.
It's a done deal.
It's just a matter of time saying, You know, we're gonna be 1/5 seed, right? Who knows? How could this be or too many? Sorry about that.
All right, there we go.
We gotta We gotta edit out on the official podcast, so it's all good.
It's this'll live TV before the official podcast, when it's upload is gonna be going.
But yeah, Dennis Smith Jr.
He's an enigma for the Knicks, right? He's got this crazy super talent.
It's not necessarily a true point guard.
Well, he's the kind of guy that can penetrate to the lane, come up with one of those Tomahawk dunks and change your game because of that Lightning play.
Yeah, and if the Knicks are going to be successful, if the Knicks are going to be successful this year, Dennis Smith Jr could be a big part of it, right? So report comes out today that you know he's been working with, and I think we all knew he was working with Abdu Rove.
But he's been working with him for months, five days a week, working on that jump shot right restructuring some small things about his jump shot.
I read the article the way that he snaps his wrist.
You know, uh, he releases the ball.
He was releasing the ball on the way down.
Not really at the peak of his shot.
So they have adjusted some of those things in the conditioning.
From what I read is out of control form.
Like, you know, they're doing drills.
High school drills, which I think for MBA players is good, because when you get into the N b A, the jewels kind of changed a little bit.
Drills like you do a sprint, you gotta come down and you knock down the three.
You gotta make three of those before you stop doing those sprints.
Which, if you're not a good shooter, that means you're gonna be running for a while, Right? Spring Boop, boop, boop, boop boop! Come back.
Maybe you knock down one.
Maybe you knock down the second you get to that third one.
You already kind of tired. You winded.
And now you're thinking about them.
I gotta hit this one.
You come down now.
You got to start all over.
Yeah, I think that was Dennis Smith whole problem, and he needed to be broken down all the way to the to the bottom.
You know, I'm saying so.
Do it if you want to get a guy that's gonna teach you that whole aspect of running around keeping your standing it up and and also to like, the video, like the pictures they show him doing like this so you could see that he's trying to get him to get that arch up.
You know what I'm saying? So it's a beautiful thing, man.
You know, you hope all these guys do that, man.
But you know Dennis Smith, he's an enigma low.
You know, he got he got the juice.
You know, I'm saying we just hope that he can, like, get it together.
You know, so e I mean, I understand what he was talking about.
I agree with that.
But I'm just saying, if you look at his whole career from high school in North Carolina State and the MBA, there are players on this level generally gotten by with whatever.
Generally, especially in his case, the athleticism has gotten him by in high school.
Gotten him by in college when you can't when? When? Not just him.
But when a guy like this, that's this athletic comes to the MBA.
That's where you learn to add nuances to your game when your athleticism is not gonna be enough.
So what happened with him? He was actually going in that direction in Dallas.
Then Luca cane and it comes through him off.
So then they trade him to the Knicks, and what he wanted to do is prove that he was worth where they drafted him and that he was really a good N b A player.
So he started reverting back to the pure athleticism, and he did not.
And then, of course, with the with the with the incompetence of our own team.
He did not get the development because what he's really missing is two things.
In my opinion, he's missing the ability to functionally use his athleticism and he's missing basketball.
Actually, Now, sometimes, ah guy never get to knock you.
I mean, sometimes they just don't get it.
Now everybody has but at his floor, if he like.
And like I was telling him before the broadcast, I do my mood at Blue Rose.
I know you're You know, some of your new NBK generation, you know, into Stefka My mood I do road was the greatest shooter in the NBA history and to me, him and Jerry West.
If it wasn't that they had that issue with him not saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, he got blackballed out the league.
But as far as the shooter, there was nobody like him.
So if Dennis Smith has been working with him for, like, five or six months, I'm not saying he gonna be my move, But his studio is going to improve.
And if he doesn't, I'm gonna say his floor.
Let's say he never gets the i Q.
But just by keeping itself in shape and developing a jump shot with his athleticism, that dude is Nate Robinson calling off the bench.
And you remember Nate Robinson both for New York and Chicago into Tom Thibodeau? Yeah, that's what I was meaning by by the whole ligament in.
Because all that stuff's faras athleticism and stuff, if you can't get the I Q.
Just him being able to get in there and just kind of get busy and, you know, make some moves, get into the paint, get a nice little dunk, whatever.
Even if he plays like maybe 10, 15 minutes, that's enough. Thio.
Energize the team and get like you're really you know, starters in their, you know, give them a boost.
You know, that's that's really what you know, his Like you said, like this floor is kind of yeah, and, you know, you know, I think some of that I Q.
Also comes from being in shape, though, right? Because because you know, when you get on the floor and you get tired, now is a little bit tougher.
Think Hey, exactly.
It's a little bit tougher to think out there, but when you're in shape, you know supreme shape, you can think on the floor and you can play defense on every single play.
Right? And look, I think he understands his agent has him understanding that this could be this could be a defining year for you.
And if you don't show that u R N b a guard that's going to contribute to a good team, you know you might end up in China.
Were it up, You know what I mean? Um, I'm hoping that Dennis Smith Jr.
You know, Listen, you know, I see you know, people say that Dennis Smith Jr is going to be traded.
They say is a definite thing, is definitely not gonna be here.
But when you look at the guards that we have Alfa Peyton, Austin Rivers right near Latina, Dennis Smith Jr is the only one that has that explosiveness, and they may not want to let go of that explosive in that just yet, because you might need it from that guard position.
He's the only guard that could be explosive now.
There is no question here as faras, athleticism and explosive.
There's nobody in the roster that that could get that.
That's on that level that has never been in his problem.
He's always been explosive, but you know, 3 60 dunks don't win games and don't win championships.
So he's gotta be functional like, for example, like you look at the Isaka court as in a courtroom, is extremely explosive, but its function he will come from the weak side and wipe somebody shot off the backboard and be explosive.
That instead of just doing a 3 60 duck, Dennis Smith has not applied that athleticism in a functional manner so that it could win games.
I'm saying is that if he doesn't and I'm saying, even if its floor, if he never does that, just if you bring him off the bench and you just say I need you to go in here and attack the basket, I need you to go in here and attack offensively And he is able to shoot that jump shot like you said, Even if it is 15, 20 minutes, man, that's that's worth his way to go right there, because that's when you some games, you get a guy you remember.
You guys remember Nate Robinson One game, he came off the bench to score 40 e 40 man.
I was watching him out.
I couldn't believe it.
And he did the same thing in Chicago and he did this.
I think he was in the Nuggets at one point.
That type of explosiveness coming off the bench, especially when your offense is stagnant and let's face it, I mean, I love what Tom Tip is gonna bring.
I'm a defensive favor and God, what that means is, sometimes you become the gang that can't shoot straight.
So that's the situation.
And then all of a sudden you bring a cat like that off the bench that'll get your offense running, man. That'll get you going.
No, no doubt about it.
I'm hoping the best for the S J man.
I just hope that he you know, he takes the steps necessary.
This is what I like about what we've seen so far this summer from D. S. J.
He's not selling Perry Ellis.
None of that stuff.
You know, everything is in the shadows, so I like that exactly exactly just doing what he has to do.
You know, the first thing that we've heard about about him is not, ah, video on instagram or this or that.
It's a reporter who's been there watching him, right? Eso that encourages me that he's kinda maybe say, Listen, I'm just gonna put my head down.
I'm gonna grind it out.
Maybe he's from everything that he's been through last season.
Maybe it humbled him a little bit.
Maybe he learned a little bit about life, right? And that's something that's important for all of our young guys.
I think a lot of people forget about right that these guys haven't learned about life.
And that does boil over to the basketball floor.
Because as you learn about life and you mature, you start to understand life a little bit more.
You understand the game a little bit more, saying you learn how to play a little bit more.
Not only does the game slow down, but life slows down.
That's a dentist, somebody that's 18 when they come in the league and somebody that's 22 now.
That's a big, big difference mentally when you were 18 and you're 22 Dennis Smith Jr is 22 he, like you, said, I think this last year, you know, Step Mother passed away.
He had the injury, you know, and there was all that drama.
And then he got booed at the Garden.
Hey, there's no place to get.
There's only two places in the n b A, and you get bored and no other place like getting boarded the garden or getting bored in Philly.
You get the one in places, man, you got ****s.
What I'm saying.
So, um, for him to come back from that.
And I'm just saying Wait.
Regardless, he's playing for Tom Thibodeau.
He got to come in here ready to play? Yeah, you know, Yeah, coming here.
But you know him finding remove to then that that that's amazing.
Because, you know, he was doing, you know, doing all the protest and stuff like that.
He made his appearance, You know where he is from, you know, doing a whole protest thing.
So, you know, just, you know, we had to explain that, like, he's not a kid anymore.
He's trying to figure out things about life.
So somehow he found Abdul Maarouf.
You don't know the story, Even right roof? I was has been in New York City like the whole summer, and I've never seen pictures off of him and Dennis Smith Jr up until recently.
You know, I was like, Wow.
So this whole time he was in New York, he was with Dennis Smith.
So this is stuff that happens behind closed doors and, you know, just as a writer, patch this kind of thing.
This is like, the absolute perfect person to to have around him, especially during these times.
And I'm just you know this this point in his career.
So it's It's a beautiful thing, man.
That's something to really be excited about.
Talking about Elfrid Payton.
Man, I wouldn't be surprised now if they put the D S.
J and Frank out there together because these cats been working this whole six months men on the deal.
Nobody. Nobody's knowing what they're doing.
And you know these guys when I see it without, like, even like I said, If Ben Smith Jr let's just assume he didn't improve it that But look, man, he went out and start out the best shooter in the history of the N B A and worked with them for six months to just get his J together.
That's a desire to get better that you want to see in a young player.
So just that and then the maturity level coming off everything he'd been through, um, I can't I can't help but think this kid is gonna come in ready to play this year.
And really, I'm really praying for them because the worst thing happens, they start getting hurt.
You know what I'm saying? I don't want them to get hurt.
Let them be healthy, let them come in there and play their full strength and play their full season.
And we're gonna see some because their whole Vegas thing.
Please, man, you know what I'm looking at, genius, man.
They're looking at their looking at Austin Rivers.
You look at the vessel.
That's all they got.
Listen, they don't know how could you measure what the Tom Thibodeau is gonna bring to the table? How could you measure that? Exactly? You can't.
You can't measure that.
You can't measure that.
And the impact that what he brings to the table is gonna have on especially the young guys.
You know, you really can't measure that.
Have you guys ever heard? Listen, Thio Abdu Rove tell the story on how he became such a good shooter? Yeah, when he used to imagine people coming at him and he'll be out there shooting all night and and be throwing it up quick because he thought somebody was imagining somebody on him.
And you know how he got his hot man? He was on the porch and he would just hop all day, hundreds of times up and down off his porch.
Yeah, but But you know, he has Tourette's syndrome.
And he said that his to rest would keep him on the court until he made, like, 10 out of 10 or 20 out of 20 or something like that.
He said he'd be out on the court crying because he wants to leave, but his Tourette's would not let him leave.
Wow, right? His Tourette's wouldn't let him leave so he'd be on the court just shooting boom, boom, boom! And if he didn't make that 20 I think it was 20.
If he didn't make that 20 in a row, not 20 shots, 20 in a row.
If he didn't make that 20 in a row, couldn't go home, he said.
His friends be out there screaming at him.
Come on, let's go, Let's go because you know its original name is Chris Jackson.
Let's go, Chris.
Let's go, Chris! And he couldn't leave.
That's actually how he met his wife is Well, you know right now, this boy like 60 come out and come out right now.
I hit 10 20 in a row from exactly that boy could get out of bed and his sleep drunk and hit 10 23 a free man he's been doing in the Big three s.
I mean, that's anticipate how great is because I know somebody that has to rest.
And they kind of surprised me one time he was at the bar and they just started flipping out like, Oh, snap, you know, e, you're just killing at the blind of God.
That stuff's going, Whoa.
Saying stuff e can't imagine.
Like somebody like trying to get better at basketball like you already driven, You're trying to get better.
And then, like you're fighting yourself because because something you can't control something and you still can knock down these jumping That is That's incredible.
That is incredible.
And, yeah, you asked about the story about him, me and his wife.
Hey, said when they were L s u right? Yeah, he said he walks, has his wife and his body just did.
He reached out and grabbed the *****.
Oh, a grab a Oh, that's how he met his wife.
Oh, my God, that's hilarious.
Yet that's hilarious.
But she was with e.
Guess she when she was with it, right? Oh, Oh, man, that's funny.
But frankly, Latino, You know, I've seen something.
They always put out video on Frank Lucchino.
Um, I've seen some video on Frank, and I'm gonna say the way that they work with Frank the type of stuff that they do with Frank.
Hopefully, other people do it, but it's very, very, very fundamental, right? They don't come down and they're not working, trying to make him do everything fast, like his trainers air there.
And they're going through him mechanically how to do it.
Boom, boom. And then pull up.
And they go through it a few times, boom, booming and pull up, Break it down for him.
And then he does it.
You know, however, many times in a row, um, the kid is mechanically sound, and I think he's Oh, yeah, Well, once you mechanically sound, you're gonna be mechanically sound.
Can he make it happen on the court? That's the question, right? Mechanically, he is sound.
When I'm looking at this training videos.
I can't notice some things.
I noticed that he is, um, his whist snaps a little tighter.
It used to be very loose, like he was shooting.
It would just kind of flop out there.
It's more of a boom. Nice snap on the wrist.
His, you know, his elbow with shot is a lot tighter, used to kind of be way out here like this.
I think it's a lot tighter from what I was looking at.
Um and of course, you know, in the video that I've seen, you know, he knocked down a bunch of shots, but that's in trading.
It wasn't edited, though.
I'll say that it was straight through, knocked down a bunch of shot straight through.
Yeah, I think that Frank Miller Aquinas.
I just look at some.
I look at some things from last year small little areas where he was able to do some things that I get excited about.
Like, man, if you could do this consistently, this kid has it because he finds the spots on the floor.
The right spots on the floor, right? You know, boom, boom, boom.
He'll get to that elbow, but he doesn't pull it up.
He's still looking to make that pass right.
He seems to be able to get to wherever he wants to on the floor and I think I did this in one of my videos.
Frank, I don't remember after.
I don't remember, But if you put Frank in a situation where he's forced to go, he actually does a good job of getting to the basket or getting a shot off.
Yes, When? When the shot clock is coming down.
He has the ball in his hand is like, Okay, I gotta go now.
He's successful, right? Come down to the end of quarters and he has to go.
He is successful.
There were actually times last season when they gave the ball to Frank Miller Kina to finish out a quarter or to finish out a half with 10 seconds left.
You know, I do feel like Frank could be a guy that takes a step forward.
I really feel like he could take a step forward this year.
I felt like at the end of the season, his confidence was higher.
Uh, you know, And with Tom Thibodeau, I think the way that Tom Thibodeau plays one defensively, so he's gonna be on the court and to, um, or structured system that's going to tell Frank this is what I want you to do and give him a complete role, and I think that's going to be really, really good for Frank.
The thing is, is that I'm sorry.
Where you going to say something? No, I was waiting for you to say So I want to hear your opinions on.
Okay, let's talk about Frank for just a second.
So, frank, it's drafted.
Is the culture okay? Jarrett Jack is the starting point guard, and Jeff is actually doing to me doing a good job bringing Frank alone, because at that time, Jared Jack was starting.
They were playing Frank about 20 minutes a game in his rookie year.
But then what happened is Phil Jackson was coaching from the president's box and Hornacek was not.
You could tell he was not comfortable doing what he would try to do himself.
He was trying to do with Phil Jackson with what Then he started coaching for his job, and Frank lost his minutes because Jarrett Jack started playing a lot more minutes.
That was his rookie.
Now Hornacek gets fired.
You get Kurt Rambis, if you don't even need to mention him, too much.
But then at the end of that first year, now you get Fizdale and that Fizdale opening.
Now Frank comes in 18 years old, just turned 19.
He's going to the MBA, his dream, the first press conference.
Fizdale looks at Moody and says, Kid, we're gonna get you right from that moment Frank was done for that year.
It was done 19 years old.
His confidence is for crap right now because he's looking at moodier and saying, We're gonna get you right He starts Frank Mill Akina, a lifetime point guard at the three opening night, and so now Frank a different position than he's normally.
Then he's playing his whole life, and now he's just trying to please.
Frank is the type of player he wants to please his coach.
So he said, OK, coach, I'll play 23 So now he's focusing on Moody ate a whole year.
That's that's a lost year.
The next year we started 4 18.
Mike Miller comes in.
All of this time Frank is getting older and he's growing in maturity.
And if you're paying attention after December, after generally first last year he was playing with a lot more confidence, whether he came off the bench or started, and he really was turning a corner.
That 20 point game against the Wizards.
He was feeling I was at that game.
He was feeling extremely confident.
So now to me, when you look at what I looked at, the videos, that dimension, that I saw him training this year, it wasn't what he was doing.
It was the look on his face. Absolutely.
Yeah, Now you're looking at a guy.
He got scared of New York no more.
He's not scared of the media.
He's not scared of the fans.
You know, if you look at his, he was M V p of the Under 18 league in the world championships.
And if you watch the video of that, those games he plays exactly high place now, except he's hitting that elbow jump.
He's hitting that three point shot.
He's going to the bathroom because he was more confident.
And if you look him in the World Cup with that French coach, he was more confident on this year.
What I noticed the biggest thing I noticed he was getting ready to go back to France earlier in the summer of the train, and all of a sudden he stayed in New York.
I think Thibodeau and him had a conversation and because Thibodeau's and defensive coach and he said, and Frank also now his focus from what I'm seeing is unconditional because he's gonna realize he's gotta play 35 minutes a game.
Don't come in here getting her underground this year.
You gotta be ready and it's consistent minutes.
So with the confidence, I wasn't worried about his form on his shot.
It's all about what's up in here with Frank.
You got a kid and most people don't record see, Sam, I love you because you could.
You go back like me when you see you go back.
You could see a player that's a player that has I Q.
That knows how to react on defense that knows the hockey assist.
He's already got that.
So you get 30 and then people come Lonzo ball.
That was driving me crazy.
Lonzo Ball was getting 32 minutes a game, turnovers or whatever.
They kept putting them out there because he was the number two overall pick.
Frank kept looking over show the Ferguson Hornacek.
The thing that Rambis then that Fizdale.
So he has not had one coach that gave him that conference.
I said, Look at the ball, do what you do, make your mistakes and we're gonna play now He's got Tom Thibodeau Tom Thibodeau saying, If I see you locking in on defense, I'm not worried about the offense.
That's all this kid needs, man.
I'm telling you right now, he plays.
Even if he shoots, I was looking at.
If you compare, I was look basketball reference dot com compared Frank Miller Akin's career with Marcus Smart.
The only difference is Marcus Smart playing 30 minutes a game, Frank playing 20.
Marcus, Smart and Frank shoot identical percentages, but because Marcus Smart was playing more minutes, he put up more shots, an average double figure.
If you give Frank those minutes, he's gonna be more efficient and he's gonna be locked down.
I'm expecting big things to me this year, and I'm I'm gonna tell you the truth.
I'm a you know, Big Frank supporter.
But if he gets hurt that you can't play, you got to get rid of.
That's what I'm looking at.
But if he If you give him that 30 minutes e, I think he's going to show out, and then we ain't gonna be talking about the point guard next year because he got one and he's gotten bigger to man.
He's gotten bigger.
I'm looking at, I'm looking at the video, He's gotten bigger and I agree that look on his face.
I'm gonna eat, you go.
It'll because there's something I want to say about it.
We'll let you go.
And then I say What I want to say, Well, you know, the people, people that that followed the podcast and they know that I can't stand Frank Frankie Latina But the reason why I can't stand him is for everything that the raw Hebrew explained is that you know, it is just about the role.
He doesn't have a role, so he doesn't have the confidence, and I'm just because he's a young guy.
He's a little man, you know he's not.
He's not a old, he's not a grown man yet, so there's a lot of things that he needs to learn and he's not learning stuff because of everything that he will explain.
So I mean like in the Andes on videos, which is like he was the only one posting videos this year.
So you could see it in his eyes.
He just He looked like Freddy cane out there, you know? You know, like you could see he got the energy and in his eyes and stuff.
So, you know, just just as somebody that does it doesn't like Frank's game.
And I wish that they would work on him a little bit better.
As far as extension I would.
I would love to see him extend his arms to the basket a little bit more, you know, But for somebody that doesn't like him, you know, I totally understand that that whole dynamic with, you know, with just the confident just giving him a role, give him and give him a role.
And I think he's just gonna run through a wall for you.
So, you know Yeah.
Yeah, and I think the environment that's going to be with the team this year is his environment.
You look at You know, the last few years under Fizdale has been like we were talking about before e rule this summer camp type of environment keep smart was like the top coaches like, Oh, what are you doing? You know? Yeah.
I mean, like like the summer camp environment where Frank comes from.
It's not that kind of environment.
Hey, plays in a kind of league where you might go into an arena, get rocks thrown at you or something, you know? Yeah.
So he comes from a different kind of environment, and I don't think he knows anything but approaching basketball in a serious manner.
Coming to the Knicks, coming to the N B A.
I think it was a little bit different.
He's a young kid that's playing around older kids.
He was in a championship before he came to the draft.
That's right in the championship before he came to the draft.
How do you think those? How do you think those guys approached the game? They were serious, you know? There was no they were serious about the game.
Obviously, they had fun, but they were serious.
You come to the Knicks, got this summer camp type tape culture going around and and and you know, your coach is your best friend.
I want to take you to the movies and all kinds of wild stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah.
And I don't think he knew how to be in that environment, cause that's not what I grew up in.
He grew up in a type of environment, different culture.
When it comes to basketball, write to him.
It's like, you know, I do that stuff off the court with my friends Don't do that.
You know, when it comes to the game and it's gonna be that type of environment this year, That's one of the reasons I think he's due to excel.
Yeah, I think it's gonna be a perfect situation from This is just This is a perfect storm for him to bring forth his best.
That's why I'm saying I love Frank near the King.
I think he's a championship piece, but he's gotta prove it, and I think I think is gonna give him that opportunity to sink or swim.
You know, I read about Vince Lombardi years ago, uh, one of the Hall of Fame coach of the Green Bay Packers, and he had a similar situation with a quarterback, Bart Starr, and he told Bark stars don't put you out there.
You're gonna sink us from either.
You're gonna be the starting quarterback on my cut.
Became all Hall of Fame quarterback.
Two time Super Bowl winner.
This is the same situation that Frank is in.
And Tips is the same type of coach of Lombardy.
You gonna go out there? I'm gonna let you sink or swim.
I'm gonna run you to death.
I want you to play your defense, and I'm gonna see your response.
You come up with a spring growing or spring me. You done.
You better come out here ready to play its like adults.
Does your mentality, You know, You gotta learn that, Carter.
Maybe you gotta learn that card.
If you can learn the car, you're not gonna move up in rank, you know? Exactly exactly.
You know, tell me.
Tell Frank to stay away from the ladies for a season leader.
Chicken wings alone.
You know what I'm saying? Stay away, E When I when I was when I was I was working a firm in the years ago when Kobe gotta gotta accused of ****.
And all of these certain people was like, hey said more of blah and I was like, Yo, you ever been 21 years old? E said.
You remember what you was like when he was 20 when you were just what we was a virgin or what he was a month or what? And I said, Imagine you imagine 21 with 10 million in your pocket and every flavor on the planet knows you got it what you wanna do, you know? So now that shut him up.
And that's, you know, here's Frank in New York City, by God, you know young boy like that. Oh, my God.
Yeah, you got it.
Yeah! Stay away.
Keep you growing straight for a season.
Keep going Straight for the season. Yeah.
Now let's get into Kevin Knox.
Right? Cause Kevin Knox went from averaging 12 points a game.
What was it? Maybe five rebounds took a step down.
As far as a lot of people are concerned right now.
Different roster construction, right? Totally different roster construction, but took a step down.
I think he averaged, like, six points this year.
Let's let's shot attempts, obviously less minutes.
I mean, he was a guy coming into the league that we all knew was going to need some time.
Thio grow develop came in.
Very young people get frustrated with Kevin Knots, right? People think he doesn't have a motor.
Um, they can see.
I think I think the most frustrating thing about it, it's kind of the same thing with Frank.
Except, you know, that Frank has a motor, you see the ability you see flashes of things that he could do.
And people are impatient that he's not putting it all together to make it happen.
You know what I'm saying? Um and I'm afraid with this year I don't know that I'm not ready to say that Kevin gonna take this major leap yet.
I think we will see him get incrementally better.
And then maybe the next year take a leap.
Will people be patient enoughto wait for that? Because again, I think he has to mature.
We talked about this just a little bit earlier.
You know, your young man, you've gotta learn a little bit about life.
You know, I'm saying you're gonna have your exceptions, right? You're gonna have your Lucas and your LeBron's and your Kobe's.
That air just exceptions, right? I was watching videos of Amara start admire today, right? Um, Ari Athletically was just an exception.
I mean, the talent was just overwhelming for any veteran that was in league.
But for most of your players, most of your players need that time to become a man toe, understand how to capitalize on their talent, how to execute the nuances of the game on, then just had a live.
I mean, some of these kids are still living with their parents.
Like they moved in New York City or Portland or wherever they're going to and their parents move with them.
Still, tell him to take out the trash.
Still telling them, Gonna wash the dishes, Go clean your room, Mr your room.
Like you know, that's, um Yeah, I think we'll see some incremental progress from him.
You know, maybe you know his.
Maybe we see a more confident on the floor where the numbers take a big spike.
I'm not sure Take a big spike, but I just think that we've got Thio stay a little bit more patient with with Knox, you know, give him Give him 1/4 season to grow instead of that third season that everybody is like, Yeah, after the third season, that's pretty much it.
I think it's a different day and age in the MBA, And it's not that after the third season, what happened then, Kevin Right now, you know, his father was an NFL player.
Um, it's probably played the NFL.
He kind of, I'm sure, was council in terms of the off the court stuff when he came on.
Kevin was basically a gangly kid when they drafted playing, you know, whatever fortnight and all this and you could see him.
He wasn't even finished filling in or growing.
And Calipari said, two or three seasons, Problem is, what happened? I'm gonna tell you what happened now.
The boy showed out that first summer league and everybody's expectations went through the roof instead of remembering it was still gonna take two or three years.
When he came down, the court was Tomahawk in on people in that some early everybody's like, Oh, this kid's gonna be a star rookie of the year And even he said he had rookie of the year on his wall.
So everybody was.
They lifted up their expectations.
Now this deals first year, one of the few things he did right was letting Kevin just play and let him play through his mistakes and let him just play and just, you know, let him run.
Kevin Defense was horrible as most rip these are and his second year.
Two things happened now, Fizdale.
In the first half of the year.
He's four and 18, he playing for his job.
Second, it wasn't even like Kevin just needed because he wasn't playing a physical, was trying to figure out how to win games.
He just didn't know what he was doing.
So now Kevin is sitting out his now He goes from playing starting, and I think he wants to start.
I think Kevin started like 55 60 games his rookie year, so he goes from that to the pie bond.
He's now 19, so that's gonna mess with his head, right? But one thing I noticed last year, especially when Mike Miller took over.
Kevin was focusing on being able to use his left on defense, and he really was trying to get better in that area.
Um, what I like about him when you watch him when he when he runs the court, there's a smoothness about how he moves, almost like he's gliding Bond.
When that one shows in, he's gonna be a problem.
So this year, and really, the motor thing is again, It goes back when you watch Kevin.
He was in Florida and some Catholic high school, so because of his athleticism, because of his lead, he had held the Have a motor.
You know he could dominate when he went to Kentucky like there was, he was he was.
He was blinding through and Calipari got his behind.
Then he scored 34 against West Virginia.
He came Thio What you call the workout with the next against Miles Bridges and Macau Bridges.
And it was It was on, and he busted they behind.
That's why they drafted him.
So now you got you got tips and tips is not one to say, Oh, you could take a playoff.
You better come in.
They're ready to play.
And I believe that this kid is going to respond because his character is such he he wants to be good.
He just he's the one.
Like some players, you can yell at and get on them and they don't respond well, he's gonna respond well, and I think when when tips gets on, you're going to see a leak this year.
And I'm with you saying you don't don't judge this kid this year all I'm saying he's gonna make a link.
But good or bad, you gotta give him that fourth season.
You got to give him that fourth season when he's 22 years old.
I'm trying to tell you all we gotta Bergen in Austin on our hands.
He's not gonna come on.
Everybody come out and look down just at 16 and Dominate Or LeBron.
He's 16 on the cover, once illustrated like he's a pro.
That might like that.
This kid, he's gangly.
You could see it almost like his feet too big for his body, really gangly.
And he's you know, exactly when he fills in and he gets a man's body like you see Frank getting ready to have this year when he fills in next and gets that man's body, this kid is gonna be a problem, cause I'm seeing he's got He's got a nice stroke from three.
We haven't seen him flush it on Ben Simmons s Ben Simmons.
He knows all about a body.
So he got it in him.
And then and then, like last year, if you notice he had blocked several jump shots and several shot losing his life on the perimeter.
He's gonna put it together.
It's just that the New York media is not patient.
The New York market is not patient.
And then he messed up.
When he when he bawled out in that first summer league, everybody was like they raised the expectations.
And not everything is a disappointment, Kevin.
And you know what they tried.
They were talking about Oklahoma City.
Wanted him cover, and Nick said no.
You know why? Because you know what? If you left Scott Perry along with Mills, they would have sent that boy out there.
But But Papa Rose said, uh, keep this boy right here and now You got candy pain? Yeah.
This may be ready to board.
I would like to see him starting.
I don't know where he would start.
I don't know where he would start, because you have to sit, Julius Randle or OBE.
You know, for him to start, I'd like to see him starting, but, um, I would I was starting, but I was starting this year.
And I would tell him if I'm If I'm telling you, come in here and shape and you show you ready to play and you show you ready to motor? I'm gonna play you.
Um I still think he should get at least 25 minutes a game.
I'm expecting Kevin to make big strides, but I'm giving him that fourth year when he gets in his fourth year.
We're not gonna be talking about Kevin as far as trade them anymore.
We're gonna be talking about who we're gonna get around him.
Yeah, he's a bit goofy, you know, like we talked about a Mars start admiring these guys.
Luca Donna's thes guys air swaggy.
You know, they got a lot of confidence, you know, they don't have to worry about any any of that type of thing.
These guys are just like they already.
They already superstars already in their in their own head.
Um, this guy knocks.
He's still like Like I said, he's a little man like you.
mentioned that its feet look like it's too big, You know, it is not growing correctly, You know, You still got a comet, right? So you can grow correctly.
You know, I'm saying he's one of those things, but, you know, you know, his father is a football player, so, you know, he's a disciplinarian, you know? So you know Thibodeau is gonna be Somebody said that Kenny Pain took on that role also when he was in college.
So, like like you said that fourth year, Definitely.
We need We need to keep him around for that fourth, because I'm very hard on him also.
But I'm hard of him because I could see what's going on, his head and me.
I'm hoping that that he might see it, especially people that the critique, um, you could see it that way they can see what people are saying and hopefully, you know, and apply that to to to his game and stuff. Yeah.
So it's all about confidence with that kid, man.
He's, you know, he's a These guys are like little man, you know? Yeah.
I used the holy and across the street, you know, Right.
These guys in case I listen.
People killed me when he was drafted, and I said he was more versatile than Kristaps Porzingis.
Everybody killed me.
I still believe that he's more versatile than ST Kitts.
That's Paul Zynga's right.
I'm looking at KPN saying he's basically going to be a spot up shooter right in the league.
You know, it's gonna be a 7 ft time playing time.
Yeah, right, you know.
I understand he's basically going to be a 7 ft spot up shooter.
He might still get a 17 a game 18 a game, you know, maybe even 20.
But he's not getting the ball off the rim and then advancing it up the floor and being able to take it to the cup.
You know what I'm saying? He doesn't have, You know, I've seen him go to the basket a couple times, But the way that Kevin Knots could go to the basket when he makes up his mind to go and when his body feels like raw just said when his body feels out, he's gonna be dipping that shoulder and banging people out the way he's gonna be a You know what I'm saying? Hey, has he could shoot the three, obviously, right.
I do think that this year we might see him shoot around 37 38%.
It's gonna be more comfortable this year, and he can.
He can shoot the mid range when he wants to like he's.
He's got a lot of skill, a lot of talent.
He's just gotta put together.
You just got to grow up and put it together just on and that's what that's what rookies need.
You need to do that.
That's called development one part when you add another part and you put it all together.
When you look at the guy like a Kevin off when he's 18 years old at Kentucky, that's what you're looking at.
You said okay, we can develop his child.
We could develop this aggressive.
He's gonna grow into his bike eventually.
He's gonna be the deal.
But we gotta be patient and we got to develop this thing one year at a time, so okay, so now there's this third year.
I'm expecting him to start to put it all together like you said, we ****ing for 37% from three.
I'm looking for a little bit more aggressiveness because, you know, like, you know what time Fizdale looked like He was about the looks like he's about the bus.
Enough, man, when getting things down Cleveland.
And on that fast, Great.
And flushed it on what? It was like my science, because that's what he could do.
I was like, Yeah, I know this kid could be a problem, man.
It's just you know what he needs to put.
And I'm very excited.
I don't wanna It's like I'm not expecting to be an All Star and everything this year, but give him this year.
You wanna start? You're gonna see the picture come together.
It's gonna start coming together.
And then next year, Zombie, I believe the same thing.
I believe the same thing.
You're gonna start to see it.
That's why I say incremental, right? You know, maybe he gets back up to six point, maybe gets back up to 10, 11, 12 points per game.
You know what I'm saying? You a little bit better percentages and stuff like that.
But you start to see you start to see the way that he takes it to the basket, right.
You start to see the confidence that he has on the floor.
I think you're gonna start to see those things.
And more people are gonna be like, Yeah, maybe we do need to keep him around, you know? Wanted to shut up your coach's corner.
Man, you made that point that he's really good on the pick and roll.
So, you know, you had, like, a whole bunch of videos explaining that, so that that's a skill right there that he's gonna have, you know, coming around that pick and roll with Randall on one side, maybe Mitch on the other side. Now you gotta be topping.
That's a weapon that have on the small forward.
Exactly in the about this, if he becomes the second option, you know, you got RJ's your first opposite, And also and Kevin develops, so he's a solid second option.
Oh, my God. You know, Yeah.
Yeah, that Yeah.
I mean, one day I mean, one day he will be.
I think he will be a solid second option.
And the I think it's underrated.
I think a lot of people underrated the fact that he can be a ball handler in that screen and roll.
Oh, yeah, You know, he's got a cute man He's got high, you know? He's got high I Q man, He could play the things Can't complain We just got need to develop Hey, just gotta finish You gotta finish this bottle.
You know, you gotta get out of his mouth.
Get the teeth out of this booth.
Last guy before we get out of here.
Um, of course, R. J. Barrett.
I think we already know that R.
J. Barrett is working.
Yeah, you know, that's that's That's just his m o.
That's who he is.
He's working, and he'll always work.
I'm expecting RJ to come in.
I think that he's probably working on his free throws all summer, I hope, and I'm expecting I am expecting that he's going to take a leap in his free throw percentage.
I'm not saying he's gonna shoot 85% but 70 right.
I think he's going to take a leap in his free throw percentage.
I think he's gonna shoot better from the three point line.
He's gonna be stronger, and it's gonna be faster.
Uh, I think RJ this year can up his scoring average to close to 20 a game.
You know, just by just by shooting a better percentage from the free throw line and knocking down a couple more threes and get more opportunities because because that's what I'm saying, that's my concern about Julius.
If you give O b and you get another shooter out there, r J is gonna be a problem, because the thing about RJ above all he ain't scared of nothing playing hey, steps into the garden and he don't care if he's there or whatever he gonna do.
What he you know, he remind me up in terms of that attitude spree.
Well, pretty well came into the garden and it did not shake him.
He wasn't scared.
He didn't care about the media and you remember like he was.
He was balling so much they did this commercial.
What he said, Thank you for letting me be myself again, because and he started walking down because he was so comfortable.
And this boy is not scared of when he gave PJ when he gave P.
Tucker the business at the end of the Houston game.
I was like because I was one of those I was thinking.
I said, This kid's not gonna be as good in the process.
We think I was really thinking that I said that because because he didn't shoot well in college.
He was more athletic than his peers at the Duke, and that's why he was getting over his athleticism.
But I didn't and I didn't really think it is going to translate.
But, man, I was wrong That first week when he came out, I said, Oh, man, this boy because because he was doing the exact same thing, it didn't matter if it was P. J.
It didn't matter who it was and they knew he was going through the list to his left.
They couldn't stop him.
They couldn't stop him.
And so you give this boy listen 70% 7.
You right, 70% from the line.
But I'm not expecting.
Listen, if you shoot 34 35% from three this year and just get some open lanes this point on average 20 and he's gonna be a problem, and I'm saying he's another one.
He looked he could play two or the three he can guard.
Okay, Multiple positions.
You got friends? He could guard 12 and three.
He can play the two or three.
You gotta admit your Robinson Mitchell Robinson got one through five.
You've got multiple players could guard multiple positions.
And then Kevin has got the potential to guard one he could read.
I don't say one, but he could guard two threes and fours when he's ready.
You get these kids, Tom Thibodeau, and you give him a year of 35 minutes a game and they don't get hurt.
No, I don't want this envy, but don't get him.
You know, I'm saying, Forget Las Vegas.
They don't know what they're talking about gambling in Vegas.
It's not only typical, it's not only Thibodeau.
You got Kenny pain.
You got the other guy, the whole the whole Kenny Pain, Woody.
Yeah, Yeah, definitely.
What do you, Johnny? Bryan? You know, I feel like he's the type of guy.
Like if they say a Thibodeau was to, like, get up in age, He's a guy that can come in and just finish the, you know, finish the thing, man.
He's a great coach.
Janet's He's gonna be what Thibodeau was.
Yeah. This exciting time to be a nick song.
Man, if people are, you need to get on that on that on train.
You know what I'm saying? The doors open.
You need to jump on.
You need to jump on before the train station baby up and then, you know, on Dove course, we got Mitchell Robinson out there.
You know? You know, I could do a whole show on Mitch and what I want to see for Mitch, I think Mitch has just, like, super duper talent.
He's gotta work on a lot of the mechanics of the game, the nuances of the game, you know, setting, setting, strong screens, boxing out the rebound, the basketball.
Um, that's one thing that I'm a little bit worried about.
What Obi is his rebounding.
I'm a little bit, uh, there's a couple of entire full games right, and I'm a little bit concerned he can box out, but sometimes I see he's not fully in position and ready to rebound.
Hopefully, Tom Thibodeau those guys can work on him and and and help him fix that.
But, you know, with Mitch, I think there's gonna be a battle in training camp when it comes to Noel, because I think that Tom Thibodeau was gonna like the fact that Noel has a lot of those already has a lot of those nuances of the game consent.
Good, strong screens.
And Mitch doesn't have him yet.
Um, so it's better be ready to battle e reason.
Pro the world, the season pro.
He's gonna help me get better.
He's definitely gonna help Mexican, but he's a seasoned pro and e can't even think.
I just hope they don't trade Noel because he is the perfect, the perfect player to bring on this team with the Mitchell Robinson.
He's going to push him to get better.
He's going to challenge him, and he's gonna tell you, this is Mitch.
If you ain't ready, I'm gonna take your spot so it's gonna be it's gonna be really is gonna be really good.
No, I was looking for the bag.
He you know he was XP.
I got offered the bag a few years ago, turned it down, and then he became a minimum bleak players.
So now he's looking to get back he's got and then Kenny pain.
So you get Kenny pain and and then Noel working with this kid because Mitchell Robinson really got I mean, when I first saw my concern Waas his first press conference, man, he looked like a deer in headlights.
He looked like a second grader.
And I was like, You had Kevin who was sitting there? Kevin was sitting there very polished and answering the question, You know, you come from Tuckey, you know, metric Robinson looking around like this e so But this boy is much smarter than I gave him credit for and he learned without any development from the staff.
He learned a lot from on DeAndre Jordan.
And he picked up a lot that first year.
And now this is only missed his third year, man.
And so I mean, like I said, I really noticed how I have never seen Ah, guy that plays the fine that covers ground like this kid.
This kicks this kid comforts ground like I don't know what the only and then since then, that's why I like I like a coral because he does the same thing.
Him and vessel on defense.
They cover that ground.
Very. You know, there's a drill.
You ever see the drill when you have the blocks and you got to run the square and pick up the block? Uh, that's the defensive.
That's the defense drill, cause on defense, you're really that's what you're doing.
You're covering your like a squirrel, your scurrying you're getting one point to another and they're gonna Mitchell Robinson, Man, I mean, yeah, he blocked shots and that's excellent.
Got excellent, Tommy.
But the way he covers ground and contest to me, man, listen, if he's a rum runner and does that, he's worth his weight.
But But, you know, I think he's gonna add more to his game this year.
I think you're going to see a little bit more because you know Tom Thibodeau runs the train.
You don't know that.
Hey, had Joakim Noah running the triangle getting the ball on the pitch post.
So if you get Mitch Robinson in that, Mr Robinson is more athletic and more gifted to me than Joakim Noah.
So you get him and he's able to knock down that 15 photos.
That's it if you could knock down that 15 ft is gonna have to learn the past from the pinch post a little bit.
I don't think Tom Thibodeau is gonna run all triangle, but it's gonna be a lot of triangle stuff in there.
And Mitch is gonna have to do those things.
I think this is gonna be a great environment for Mitch Thio grow up and and and and and develop and become a player.
Man, I'm looking forward to seeing how these young guys, you know, everyone's talking about these, you know, the Alec Berks, and I'm not discounting those guys and and and Austin Rivers and stuff like that.
Stop Gap guys that you signed for one year.
But the success of this team, if we could even hope to battle for that 10th seed to get into the playing tournament Thes young guys, they're gonna be vitally important.
Their development gonna be vitally important, man.
But guys, it's been great.
I got to get over the lead in the next podcast is where I'm going to right now.
Grandma, I'm gonna tell him.
I'm gonna tell him.
I know he's waiting for him.
He's probably probably mad because I'm later.
But let me get on right there.
Yeah, yeah, it probably does. Probably does.
But let me get over there.
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