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Adam are Brecht and Matt Brooks.
We are in the building doing a whole bunch of I mean, I guess we haven't really talked even since free agency commenced.
So we have a whole bunch to talk about.
I don't really know what ideas we bounced off each other.
How you feeling? Were what, a day or two removed from it.
We caught up on sleep, Everything of the sort.
Yeah, I guess, you know, And like, we're running into the holidays coming up just a couple of days.
So I feel like I'm like, can we also bang out any of the remaining big names or big move? They're gonna happen because I'd like to dedicate Thursday just to be stuff in my face and sitting down with a small group of families.
So let's try to tie a bow on this thing if we can.
Let's let's let's you know what the last couple of dominoes fall here.
Yeah, I don't even know who's left.
It's like Bogdanovich and Ingram and Davis, which are like, probably three of the biggest 62 of them are un interesting to me.
Like way No, Davis is coming back.
It's all about the duration of the contract.
And then Ingram Yeah, it seems like he's coming back.
I mean, they have the ability to match.
So I don't be hard pressed, you know? I mean, like, what? And I'm sure the team you could think of it like what team out there on the market would say We're gonna put out an offer.
She so insane that the pelicans were like, Well, you're overvaluing him by 40%.
Like that's what you probably have to do for the pelican socks to match.
I don't see a team doing.
Yeah, No. So it it'll happen.
It's a little weird.
It hasn't happened, but I think it will happen.
We'll get that drop any day now.
We have the pelicans or the first thing we bring up.
They just brought in.
Steven Adams gave him an extension, which I thought was a little hefty, but that's been the going rate for centers this year around, which is bizarre.
I get that the Lakers just one, but, uh, but it's very weird to see this many centers that are, you know, maybe closer to league average, getting around $10 million a year and and and higher Um, weird, weird, weird stuff going on this year.
I thought it was very bizarre.
Yeah, I don't even like, you know, I guess, as some people have talked about when you look at a team like the Knicks who didn't really dancing a lot of the waters this year, and it's just like saying, that's what it takes.
You wanna you wanna make a move to even marginally improve your team or improve depth.
It takes a somewhat substantial commitment order to accomplish that.
For a guy and Steven Adams who I like him, you know, he's a good, good player.
I think he I think he does add to the pelicans.
And also, it's not a guy that I would think would require that price tag in order to bring him in.
But it's all relative to where you are in your franchise and what you feel like the you know, again, those marginal steps forward you could take season to season.
I think he helps them.
It's great to have a guy of his skill set on that roster whose young and has exciting players and also could use a little bit of that.
You know, I'll call it muscle, right? Just that's all Israel you want.
You want a guy's gonna go in there and bang bodies and frustrate the opposition of times? Yeah.
No, I mean, it's just I don't love the idea of pairings Ion with a center that doesn't shoot like it just for me.
That's not the move.
But I mean, you know, at the end of the day, you're only working with somebody centers that can shoot threes at at least a credible level.
So then it just becomes like, What are you looking at? Are you looking at the Dwayne Dedmon by out being like, all right, this is our guy.
Like it's It's kind of, you know, there were a lot of centers available in this year's class, but very few of them could stretch the floor and and two of them went to contenders in Ibaka and and get sold to the Lakers.
So, um, yeah, I mean it.
I don't know if I agree with that.
Um, it kind of solidified the big topic for me today, which is seems like a lot of the top teams in the East improved or stayed about the same, and a lot of teams in the West got worse outside of the two l A teams.
I think the Clippers probably improved by shedding a few pieces, like actually having a little bit less might be better for them just because they just felt like there's too much going on.
There s So you know, you trade in like a trez and, you know, Sham it for Luke Kennard.
Who? I I just think it is better than both those guys.
It simplifies things, and I do think they're considerably better.
Same thing with Ibaka.
Um, you know, you trade in trees and J.
Michael Green and you get Ibaka in there.
It's like, Okay, that Zatz improvement So outside of them, though I just It's funny, like pretty much every single team that made the playoffs last year has has gotten a little bit worse.
I guess you could say the Mavericks that improved.
I would probably agree with that, though.
I don't know about Porzingis his health, but it's like the Nuggets definitely got worse.
The Rockets, who knows the Jazz? I grew to go very year older.
What does that look like? And then it gets down like the Blazers and the sons who have improved.
It's gonna be a different Western Conference versus the East.
The heat of all stayed the same.
The Celtics are, you know? Okay, I wonder if they're kind of like a Clippers situation where shedding a piece will actually help them.
Um, and then outside of that six has improved. Its just.
Yeah, and it's funny, too, because when you look at West one of the things that comes to mind like you say, Well, the Lakers, they retool themselves and they want to be ready to fire back for another championship.
The Clippers understood.
We got to tweak something here, doesn't add up and bring in a guy in Ibaka who, by the way, won the championship with Kawhi Leonard in Toronto.
So you know all that talk about where the ties and even the Kevin Durant piece of ego, But you know, like he knows for a fact that he works really well with this guy right now at this point of his career.
So nice move there.
When you say, like the Jazz and the Nuggets and some of these teams and even the Mavericks that that took a leap forward or showed us something in the bubble.
I do think the interesting thing about them is that they probably look at it relatively speaking in, uh, let's run it back kind of way, right? Like, let's let's just see what we have in another year where we've taken what we think is a leap forward.
How do we look another year from now? And if you are, say, talking about Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert, we go, OK, let's ride this thing out one more year he'll be a year older, Yes, and we'll maybe see.
And we could even, by the way, see what this looks like in the early portion this season and even push a mild panic button at the trade deadline and then dial up those talks again around Gobert.
And if that if that works together or not, um, lower level teams like the Sun's making a big splash.
They want to jump forward in the East E no, you and I talked with.
One thing we did touch on was the Bucks moves initially with Holiday and then the Bogdanovich piece.
That doesn't end up happening now.
They kind of end up still in this ish area of being slightly improved or at least reconfigured.
But everybody else it's relatively standing pat.
I think a team like the Hawks, I think they did a lot to make themselves competitively better.
I don't don't you know this isn't me going in now? Therefore, see, But I think they released gonna make themselves competitive at the back and back into the playoffs.
But its other teams, like the Orlando Magic that were in that bubble conversation like those are the teams have questions about like those, you know, the ones that were the fringe team, especially these where you go, Are you gonna be better? Are you gonna be the same? Which actually makes you worse relative to competition around you.
So some of these teams I have question marks just around the idea of didn't you feel like you needed to make moves and they really didn't write or I mean, like, and by the way, then you got the Detroit Pistons who were just grabbing up centers like it's going out of style.
I mean, they were complete indignant to me.
I don't have I have no concept around what their intentions are.
Yeah, they that pistons air weird.
They Yeah, the East feels like one through seven.
We kind of know what it's gonna look like.
I don't I don't feel like the Pacers are gonna fall out.
Um, that would be shocking.
Honestly, because that would mean one of the Bulls, wizards and Hawks would make it over them.
I think if you're looking at, they actually had.
If you had If I had to bet on who would make that last spot, I almost lean towards the wizards over anybody right now.
Um, I think the Hawks did a lot.
I don't know how much they've improved, which feels like I think they've improved.
I don't know if they're a playoff team improvement.
Um, they've added a lot more in terms of scoring, which was never really the issue for them.
Their issue was really defense.
I like the Rondo get.
You know, Rondo's fine defensively.
Kristen was an awesome get for them, But then you kind of go down the line.
It's like, Well, are you gonna have Gallinari as one of your like, How does Gallinari and Bogdanovich fit? Like what? I just I think there's a lot of really bizarre aspects to them.
They look very splashy, but I just I don't know.
I'm not all the way in on it.
So can I ask you that? Because Keith and I touched on this yesterday where I said, um, you know, relatively speaking about doing or not doing right.
And it's the risk.
We're bored in some ways that if you are, say, Atlanta and we're gonna hold Pat, we're gonna draft some guys.
We're gonna be younger.
And that's you know, if you're a young team you're trying to build, okay, and then there's actually ties in to, say, like the Charlotte Hornets, where everyone is questioning Boy, you spend a lot of money 120 million for a guy you know, for a guy like Gordon Hayward, who by the time his contract's up and he's 32 everyone's young, what's the point? It's like Well, oh, because you need to have this blend in some capacity of of agent, youth and veteran experience and maybe help get you over the hump alone.
It's a delicate balance for Atlanta, especially with Gallinari, right? Cause 32 years old, like you don't know when the tread starts to wear a little thin on that tire.
Then likewise with Rhonda was, well, the done pieces great from a defensive protective.
So I guess, like I look at them and say, it makes sense to do a couple of these short term contracts that shows Trae Young.
We know we need to do things here.
It's just that maybe this wasn't going to be the off season for us to make some of those bigger place, because was there somebody out there that you think that they automatically should have been? Booth.
Let's go get this guy in the free agency market and worry about all the other supplemental pieces.
Or is this feel like the best within reason they could have looked to accomplish? And then maybe you wait for next offseason for a bigger move.
I just think they're rushing it.
That's my That's my internal feelings.
I've never really understood the rush, Tau, like, right now we need to be this playoff team.
Um, so that's kind of my feeling is like, Okay, you have to rookie wings last year and then you're surrounding them with Collins, who is good, But you could maybe move him for something else, maybe more draft equity.
And then Trey Young, who's a sop****re and it looks really good.
But ah, lot of that's putting up big numbers.
We don't know what that really is gonna turn into.
So it's just I don't know if I'm quite understand the timeline with them, like they're just they feel again, really rushed.
And Gallinari is, Ah, good player.
But I don't I think he makes a lot more sense in, like a reduced role in a really good team than like, Hey, you're gonna be one of our premier guys on a team that's like really trying to gun it.
And then and then Bogdanovich I like, I think, like if they just done Bogdanovich, the thing is also with Gallinari, and Bogdanovich is like they needed shooting, and I think that that's a great way to go about that.
But those guys are like there's just a little bit something similar with them where I might I just I feel like somebody is not going to get enough touches there.
That's pretty much what this comes down Thio.
And then it's like it's a big ask of Hey, can you turn Trey Young and do liken off ball guy, which he just hasn't been yet.
It's gonna be good experience for him, And I think if this all goes well for them, they they have these guys out there.
They have Bogdanovich.
They have Gallinari and Trey Young becomes a little bit better oven off ballplayer.
And that's the best case scenario.
The worst case scenario is that you have to trade one of those guys at the deadline.
Yeah, maybe that's a part of it, too, right? Like you're not going to say that out loud now.
But you also go.
And if this isn't working so much, then Gallinari is a good piece for a contending team that wants to grab somebody and we end up flipping him for assets, and we kind of go in the vein that you're talking about.
So you're right.
Yeah, it's weird I guess at the very least, I look at it and I go, Well, this you're trying something, and maybe you're But, you know, maybe you're right because there's the other team that people keep talking about.
Um, depending on your perspective, like, I think that the New York Knicks air doing everything the right way right now, whether you agree or disagree with the picks per se, that's not that's not really wanna focusing on.
I'm just focusing on.
They drafted young players.
They have a very young team.
They didn't go out and overspend on veteran guys.
They didn't try to jump the gun here, and it's probably be easier to do in Atlanta than it is to do it in New York.
And also this feels like the right thing to do, and they're still taking heat for it.
I think relatively speaking, but this is the best path of success is just to admit yes, we've tried some things or for the last two decades it hasn't worked out the way we thought and now we just need to be patients, even though it's been rough now that we're actually agreed to it.
Now we have to be patient and our young talent and see them develop and see what little moves we made it to make next year like that.
That seems really smart to me.
And it seems like they're taking a little bit of flack around that not going out and making a splash play, not automatically pursuing a Westbrook or getting it on even a hardened deal.
Whatever, really they could.
They could do anything they want.
They have over, what, 30 to $40 million in capital.
They could still make big moves that they want. Thio.
And I don't think they need to, because because again, there's no one player you're gonna bring in that's gonna marginally make you better this upcoming season.
Anything beyond saying, Maybe you sneak into the playoffs, it's like you're gonna be a threatening team come playoff time.
Yeah, I thought the Ed Davis move was really stealthy, like getting that getting that second round pick that's like, That's like what what smart teams to? That's what good front offices do they they call around.
They say, Hey, like, you know, first off, like I the Jazz were very forgettable this offseason, like I didn't feel like they brought back Derrick favors, But that's just smart stuff to know.
Hey, they want Derrick favors.
They had have Davis.
They need to make, you know, a little bit of room on their books.
Let's see if we can get something for Ed Davis versus just trading, you know, whatever my fault.
So, like, that's just a smart move.
Like, I thought they did a really good job this offseason.
Some people were let down.
Oh, they brought Elfrid Payton back.
A fine placeholder like this off season could have been different.
They could have brought in Kemba Walker and Gordon Hayward, you know, giving him a big deal.
And then you're in this weird, like, what direction are they really going? They're They're letting the world know we're gonna take your bad contracts.
We're gonna do that if you need us to.
And I just It's smart, like it's it's very net.
See? I mean, it's just it's what they needed to dio That's yeah, that's why when people and I mean this is generally want to sports talk radio, other spots where they're like, what do you do? And you got to be more ambitious.
And then some will point out like, Well, this feels a little bit like what Brooklyn did a handful of years ago.
And by the way, if you come into this year and I know you know expectations gonna be relatively low for them.
So if you're if you're earmarked in a 72 game season for 20 to 25 wins and you win 30 games 31 games like that's a needle mover in the right direction and whatever and who knows, you could surprise some people and anything that you do above expectation is going to be good will to free agents.
And so what it looks like going into next year.
So, yeah, I love Thio.
Knock them a bit mawr.
But I feel relatively, you know, comfortable actually with what they did.
The other ones we mentioned Orlando before.
I mean, just what do you feel about Orlando? You said some of these teams that marginally can jump up in the back end of the Eastern Conference is Orlando and danger of just kinda falling down the list into like the 10th 11th.
Just that murky, weird pack of teams because you talk about a team that I was high on, pre draft and pre free agency, and I'm much more confused by now is the Chicago Bulls.
But now, so now in that pack of teams, you go, Yeah, Chicago in Orlando.
And maybe Atlanta's a little bit rising.
But I don't like Orlando for having blue ceviche and having Aaron Gordon.
I just look at them and go, Yeah, like you guys, just maybe, like an 8th, 9th, 10th seed And there's a there's a there's a very clear ceiling to me.
To the roster, as constituted are so more anything they're so bored.
They're just boring.
They're the same team every year.
Sure, they'll add whatever some power forward or a center this year, What do they do? They bring back the mambo.
Leo. No, no. Beyond went to the Hornets.
I can't even tell anymore.
It's these two teams.
They're just swapping the same whatever they obviously they have.
You know, they drafted coal Anthony.
So that's that's exciting for them from, you know, from that standpoint, I have him in there, but they accept.
I mean, you're talking about, you know, James Ennis, the third and Michael Carter Williams in behind.
Like the 48 the 48 48 folks backcourt in and of itself is, and it's not a knock on each of these guys.
It's an incredibly boring folks is at least fun.
That's the only part of their team that's like redeemable right now.
And no Jonathan Isaac next year.
That's the only reason to watch the magic right now.
And you think they're a It's so boring to me.
Do you think in Orlando likes full likes folks and believes like, hey, like this is a piece for our team? Or do you think that like they look at him as being we? We've recommended him a little bit and we can try to flip him because he's a young point guard because I can't tell if they're in on him or they were just in on the Loeb.
I possibly sell high market that that that he offered.
I mean, I think they have to be in on that because it's not like they're going to get like a star point guard to sign in Orlando.
So you kind of you have to take these chances on guys.
I mean, clearly, they're looking at something like they're gonna see they drafted coal Anthony like it's not like they're, like, over the moon about Marquel folks, and they're ready to just drop everything for him.
So no, I mean, I think folks is good and they're gonna just continue toe to ride the Marquel Faults train.
Um, I kind of think there's a pretty limited ceiling on what he's gonna become, which is a shame.
I just think he's missed so much like progression and stuff like that.
It just I don't know, so that that parts tricky.
He's still young, and he's got a lot of time to figure it out, but yeah, I mean, for them, I just I don't know. I don't know what they're doing.
I really don't know what they're doing.
Uh, and I feel like I say that every year and they could make the playoffs.
It'll be a really, really dull, you know, sub 500 make.
But it will be if Atlanta doesn't look the way they should.
If the Bulls who lost Chris done brought in Garrett Temple, good vet for them brought back Valentine, which find hasn't been able to stay healthy, but like if they if they still just a roster, that doesn't make any sense.
You know, the Levin Laurie Market and Wendell Carter thing just doesn't work, which I don't know.
I mean, I think it will make you know they'd be my team also, like they might just make the playoffs by having a normal coach.
Um And then and then, you know, I just like maybe the magic make it at the bottom of the East.
It could be really fun.
Like, it could be really fun to have this, like, big comeback season for the Bulls.
Or, you know, a resurgent run from the Hawks.
Or it could just be like, Oh, cool.
Like the Wizards sputtered into the eight seed or the Magic stumbled into the eight seed.
It's just it could be either, or So what about like when you talk about it, you know the next are gonna be rising up in the East as far as where the seating is way comfortably.
Assume so that's out of the seventh seed, but Orlando Charlot, Washington, even Chicago say maybe Chicago a little bit surprising, and they get in the mix.
There is Charlotte because we did touch on this with Keith, which is quickly Did you like the Gordon Hayward move for them? And just in general, Do you think that actually helps move the needle for for a pretty young team that obviously wants to make the playoffs like And that's, I think we're looking a hierarchy of going.
Can I see you falling behind the Wizard's coming back off of injuries on that roster and behind Charlotte Potentially.
And then maybe it comes down.
And by the way, Atlanta, who is pretty far down the wrong there this past season, they're gonna get up into the mix so that you can.
I could give you three teams that could be ahead of Orlando, who on Lee was in the eighth see this past season? So you know, that's and maybe that does make it exciting toe watch.
These teams go at it, but on as I say, I'm always sounds more fun in theory, until you watch the bottom of the like, it's always like, Oh, wow, this could be fun and then and then we get there and we're like, Wow, so we got the Atlanta Hawks with Trey Young, who was put in a trade request, and their games under $500.
But it seems you're like like in the West, where you go, you guys are all scrapping their 6500.
It's like, Hey, if one of these teams could just be 500 I really love the eighth seed like that would be satisfied like a two game win streak is going to get somebody in tow.
Playoff? No, I mean, look, uh, I didn't get the Hornets thing personally, I don't get it.
I just I don't get it.
He's paid like he's a all star player.
Now he's been good for he was good at the beginning of last year.
Sure, he was Good.
Might be, might be what they need.
Um, I hope he doesn't take away any touches from Lamela's because I think Lemelle Oh, it just it seems like it's a bad situation for Lemelle already is what I would say like there's expectations toe win right away for him and he's not gonna be good right away, but also like on that piece, because I know that like the natural playmaking ability of ball is gonna be is gonna be nice there.
But they also say, you know, from a facilitator standpoint, you don't think that that having Hayward there as the at least health assuming health that he's the known commodity.
Like okay, ball, you can rely on Hayward to be ex like.
Technically, a lot of the other pieces on that team are young and still question marks about what they fully are going to do for them.
So but you don't you don't think like that.
Having the veterans and lean on it doesn't help you for ball.
It just looks like more.
You'd rather just see like ball go at it, take, take, take this thing and run wild.
Who is he, the beloved veteran for in Boston? That would be my question.
Well, but isn't the difference there, though, that that they have? They have other veterans.
They're already so like.
I do think that stuff translates, though, like like I don't know what's a good example. Jared Dudley.
Let's use him, Jared Dudley.
Every locker room he's in.
He's a beloved teammate and the beloved, And I'm not saying Gordon Hayward isn't a good teammate.
I'm just saying I don't know if there's like that level of like clicking with, you know, guys and Boss, I just I didn't really I never got that feeling personally.
I'm sure he's a very nice guy, but I don't know if, like, that's the vet guy you're bringing in tow, lead everything.
Gordon Hayward is just, I don't know, like I don't know if that's it's a really young team, and that's just kind of a bizarre dynamic.
Yeah, Gordon Hayward, who's, you know, kind of not in the twilight of his career, but definitely in the second half and then a bunch of guys that are like in their 1st and 2nd years and, you know, just kind of figuring it out.
It's just it's, I don't know.
It just feels like it's gonna be a very strange dynamic.
Andi, I don't know where they're going.
Is there any world when you look at them because it's something we didn't talk about yesterday was um and I'd be interested.
I'll be I'll be curious to see how it starts that early because I would be a fun one for us to go back back and forth on a little bit, if if he looks good and if it looks like it is developing well together.
But is that Gordon Hayward? Also, Is there any world where Gordon Hayward can also be pivoted off of by the Charlotte Hornets? If if it's not working out or if they just Or if they just see better development from something young guys and they go, Hey, you're you're doing your thing and also, we can actually feel pretty comfortable without you.
Is there a quick flip opportunity, whether it's in the short term, not this year, but even in year number two of that contract where you go even a 31 understanding it's a big contract.
But is there a team that goes, Yeah, we'll throw you out on the wing because we're ready to win now.
Or is it or is the contract itself make it difficult to keep that option on the table Depends what he looks like because he has a skill set that I think a lot of teams are gonna look at and be like like let's say he looks good and and they suck like let's just say they're terrible and he was really good example, right.
But yeah, this thing, he looks great.
Like he's defending multiple positions.
He's really he's a great playmaker, and I think that's the part that Boston will really miss.
And by the way, Jefty coming in there is not going to help with.
I tell you what people said, like in general, you know, Boston put their tone a lot of waters and marked a lot of stuff up.
Like, wanted to step back.
I was like, I actually don't love that They I don't know.
Yeah, they still like talent there.
Oddly, we all know that.
But I was just like, I don't know, man.
Like it just seems a little odd, Like, if you're gonna lose coordinated for whatever he is, you better have a mechanism in place to replace just the production and the quality medicine again from him. A little at the very least.
Now they just need a connector, like I I get the big getting Tristan Thompson is big for them.
I think that's a really good That's a really good signing for them.
Um, but they need a connector.
And, like Jason Tatum started take that step last year.
If he continues that progression and he just becomes, like, a really, really solid playmaker, then they're fine.
But right now, they don't have that.
And that's why Gordon Hayward was so, so important and why it was like all we talked about in the playoffs last year was always Gordon Hayward coming back like, Oh, do they need a guy that's going to sort of because again, he's just a connector? You? He puts everybody together in a lot of ways.
So if you're another team, you see Gordon Hayward is coming up averaging, let's say, like 1920 a game, throwing up a nice little decent number of assists, defending multiple positions, You could say, Hey, this is a guy that this might be exactly what we need and I think that's the best case scenario for them.
But you'll notice the best case scenario is not him being on that roster long term.
That's why I don't quite get it.
And it's the same thing with, I mean, even Jeremy Grant.
I'm like, Okay, what's the best case scenario for them? I'm not of the mind that he's gonna break out and become a star player.
I'm sorry, Jeremy Grant.
I don't think it's gonna happen.
So for them, it becomes okay.
They bring him in for a nice chunk of money.
What is he going to do there? That's going to remind everybody? Oh, I'm a really nice rural player.
And I would actually fit on your team.
Really? Well, probably not that much like he's gonna have the ball in his hands a lot.
So I think the risk reward for both of these teams taking big swings that guys with large chunks of money I don't quite get it.
Well, it's the funny thing about because you mentioned Grant were like what he was doing last year in that role in the bubble really exploded a little bit. Me.
He does really nice things, obviously.
But the concern turn that you end up having to me is like when you see a player like Schroeder go to the Lakers and you go, Oh, well, helm Schroeder for his value.
If you tell me on the Lakers what role is going to be, but we just spent the entire bubble going like this is exactly where it needs to be off the bench.
Six man kind of role, leading us second unit.
So, you know, depending on the team that they land on, then it impacts how you perceive them.
And I just wonder when teams over evaluate off.
And that's not what I'm saying for the Lakers. For the Lakers.
I just think it makes a ton of sense because you're gonna have Anthony Davis and LeBron James. That makes everybody better.
But when you look at Jeremy Grant, you go.
Don't don't put too much expectations on the guy that he's been in the league like he you know what he is.
Don't start to look at guys as, and now they'll do this right, and now they will increase their value beyond what they've shown you over the early stages of their career.
Maybe that's true for your your piece about Gordon Hayward of like, Okay, he's a connector.
Gets the ball around from, you know, can can be fluid between other positions.
But is the leader and maybe that.
And if that's the idea of what you brought him into the then I think it's a problem.
If it's just to do defend multiple positions and knock down perimeter shots and see if you still have your inside driving game.
I can see it functioning and I do just e.
I guess it's interesting, man.
I was kind of like I was kind of for it.
And then you're like, You're walking me back.
You're getting, you know, like, walk back away from a little bit because and I guess it just it just takes seeing it on the court, though.
And what What does that ultimately look like for me to know if there's really value there and not, um, I don't know.
That's interesting now, now down a little bit in between on it.
But But unlike, say, Atlanta, or we talked about the next before, like if you're I get it From this standpoint, Charlotte Michael Jordan has been trying to make this team good for so long.
You can't You can't knock him for the commitment of wanting to get it done.
It feels like the Hayward movies, like Here's a guy like Here's a guy that will do something for us.
And even if it's getting the eighth seed in the playoffs, that's an accomplishment for this team.
Like I think this franchise needs to be ableto hang their hat on something.
Even if it is, we snuck into the playoffs over the next two years as an eighth.
Like, that's an accomplishment for that franchise, right? E just I don't I hate building teams like that.
Personally, I think, like if there's such a no yeah, it's just I don't know, that's all. That's all they've done.
That's all the Charlotte Hornets have ever done is build these teams that are like, Okay, we're gonna be the 78 seed I just like, Why not fully bottom out? Like I'm already looking at the Gordon Hayward thing, thinking like, where would he fit better? Like does? He makes some sense for, like the Nuggets, who suddenly have literally zero wings on a team that may need wings more than I mean, start anybody in the league right now because your two best players, they're just I think Murray is gonna improve into a solid defender.
But right now it's just like you need to have guys that can defend multiple positions. They don't have any.
That's a relative disappointing off season for them because it's it's one thing to not make big moves or, you know, shake up the roster.
But it's another thing to just trying to get diminished, just to kind of loot just to take pieces away.
And it's interesting, relatively speaking, to how they looked in the bubble and saying, Hey, here's here's Here's a chance, like go back to spot Even if it was like go over, pay for Gordon Hayward and just get him in on the rosters that you fill that rate back in and make yourself, you know, another layer of dynamic playmaker on the team.
So maybe that's the fall off to listen.
The only other thing.
I don't wanna Bogart the stream here, but Orlando has always been talked about as Gordon Hayward.
Like someone's gonna get him.
Someone's got. He's always Gordon.
Hey, what happens in track record is Busa ***** like, when does Vucevic's get to get out of Orlando? When does he get to go? Because I feel like his.
The quality of what he is relative to that team.
I feel like the league in general or just fans in general would go.
Holy cow! Is this guy good.
If you put him somewhere else with other players on a better team that's more competitive and just in the mode of winning.
Once he a free agent, I think he might have three years left.
I want to say on his current contract on and it's not, but it's also like, Bye bye, MBA standards.
It's not the worst contract in the world.
I want to say it's like mid twenties, right? Like 26 27 million right now on this year's deal.
So I mean, like, you know, and he's on Lee, What 31 high you're talking about a guy like you're talking about a guy you just saw Coordinate worded 30 with injury concerns.
Get 100 $20 million contract and you could have three years of 26 to $30 million of booze ceviche.
Ah, guy that can play up the five.
You could push him down to the fourth you wanted Thio and knocks down perimeter shots like I can name a lot of teams that are in deep playoff of contention that would love have like I could look right up to Milwaukee when they lost the Bogdanovich piece and say, like, Hey, you wanna be pivoting to something I'd be knocking on the door and looking to send any other assets that I possibly could to be able to plug Bozovic and onto that roster and say Yes.
Now we're even going a layer deeper with the flexibility of where Yanis can be and how we can rotate pieces and how it forces matchup problems.
Uh, you know, across the board, on both ends of the floor.
He's tricky because it's what it's like a salary of What is it, 20 north of 20? What you making this? Next year you have 26.
It's a lot of money, so you have to send $26 million out.
Um, so you're either taking a bunch of midlevel deals or you're sending somebody back, and it's just like finding the right deal for him is really tricky.
I also don't know what he looks like on a really, really good team.
Like, Is he your third best player? Is he your fourth best player? I don't know.
I just He's a weird player because the defense is like it's solid.
I think he is a average defender of his position, but that's a position where you need really, really, really good.
And can I, uh, can flow that? Sorry.
Um, no eso something that I think we're gonna get into Doug and I on the podcast at some point.
And it's hard to because this is just a pie in the sky thing when you talk about moves getting made, you talk about the the Nets roster like that.
Actually, to me, if you're thinking about moving on, if you think about packaging up some guys and whether it's the carousel Aversa Spencer dimwit, he's a Taurean Prince is the Jared Allen.
That's that four player clump that they could look to potentially move the loose of it.
When you talk about looking at folks and saying, Boy, I don't know if I love or hate what I have here You want to Spencer Dinwiddie, Taurean Prince, Jared Allen, Package or dispenser Dimwitted Taurean Prince and assets.
Because all we talk about the numbers like you can line up for your country but inside of these things and have that money go right out the door and bring in a power forward slash center that continues to sit down and sit out of the wings.
When you wanna put the rant out there on the court, rotate that they're like, you know, that's a pretty dynamic piece.
If you're talking about adding a player, if the if the Nets or that kind of team that have been in the market, it was everyone thought they were.
I can argue that that that's a pretty that be, um, or impactful move in terms of balancing out the roster than say what people say pivoting to Bradley deal, I get it.
But I think that a guy like Vucevic's actually functions better with with what you currently have on the roster, how you comp that balance and complement everybody out there.
I might be lower on Vukovic than you.
I like Vukovic, but I think he's in the on the right team.
I don't know if he's a 20 point scorer.
That would be Is this the Kevin Love like, Timberwolves days kind of thing where maybe it might be worth later where he is? Yeah, like he's a really good player.
I just like I don't know.
I I might just Yeah, I don't know what the right situation is for him.
I'm sorry. My light is all over the place.
You're you're you're in bad lighting.
I'm shaking my entire set up, so it's it's really we're balancing this thing.
I'm trying, you know? But that's e that's but that's what I think becomes interesting now, early days as you head towards the season because there's still some pieces, you know, pieces like Hassan Whiteside is still sitting out there, but that that's a very got to find the right spot for him.
The right position, the right value and I think you might get overvalued in some ways.
Or maybe he's not being overvalued.
That's why he's still kind of looking for later.
But early days as you head towards the season, I think, is where you're going to still see some of these teams assessed.
Where are we really in this hierarchy and at that point, who are we shedding? Who could we move off from? Because even teams like Portland, who had a good I think, had a good free agency for themselves, relatively speaking, may find out 30 games into this season that having a pretty good all season still makes you the sixth or seventh best team in the West.
I still I like what they did.
I don't by the way, I love something I really like.
I loved it. They focused on everything.
They didn't have defense like defensive ability.
That's what they went ahead and looked at.
I think it's great.
Yeah, I think it is great.
I just like, Let's go, Let's go there then do you think that, like, does that? Did they really improve themselves that when you talk, we mentioned about Denver and who is rising or falling? Are they? And with Houston coming down out of there as well, Ken Portland will go into the season thinking like, Hey, we're five seed and rising.
I think they're probably better than any of Utah.
Denver, maybe Houston.
I just think what they did was exactly what they needed.
Like I can't even emphasize how big of an upgrade it is to move from Mario Hezonja, too.
That is such a big jump, and I think it's gonna make a huge jump for them in ways that maybe we aren't even characterizing on even like Derrick Jones, Jr.
Yeah, they overpaid him fine you put him on the wings with it may be Rodney Hood if he comes back.
Okay? I thought that was a little hefty.
That was the one thing I saw where I was like, I don't know if I would have given Rodney Hood that much money coming off an Achilles, But I mean, regardless, like I think they did.
I think they did a really good job.
And you know, it'll be fun next year.
I think they'll be in the mix.
Like how many teams do you like them? Better that I I only have the Clippers, the Lakers, and maybe I don't even know who the third team would be like.
Are they my three seed? Because then it becomes like, I think the sons Mavericks are in the mix.
I like the sun's more than most people.
I think they're gonna take a big jump.
So it's just like, you know, the Mavericks is the one team, like, all health considered.
I like them to really rise, probably right, though the right there in the conversation for, you know, 4th, 4th seed walking into the door this season.
I mean, I guess Like if if Murray continues his ascendance like they because of how good those guys are, they have to be in the mix.
But I just I don't know.
I was really impressed by them and I wouldn't want to play them in the playoffs because there they're ready built to play a lot of teams.
And Covington is gonna be big for them because they just didn't have that guy like you can't have.
Look who was guarding LeBron last year.
Who did they have? Uh, was that Gary Trent Think that Gary Trent guarding Lebron like you can't you can't do that again.
So this just makes you a lot better.
Overall, I I I love it.
I like the Harry jowls by low smart.
I could not be good.
I don't even hate the cancer back.
I don't even hate.
Don't cancer back in the phone like a big he's fine.
Well, the funny thing is, like none of their moves were like, Whoa, like I think covers almost is like the biggest one because of what it upgrades for them.
But in general, you're like, Oh, there wasn't a big flash moves for them, But you're like, Yeah, but the sum of all the small moves just makes them a better team.
So they'll be interested in what? Uh, I'm sure people get out of here, but I have to ask.
I saw that Seth Curry signed a three year, $10 million deal.
What I have that I, if I'm not mistaken, believe he was a free agent last year.
Yeah, but I let me let me pull this up because I don't wanna I don't wanna miss quote this because if I If I'm wrong, then we've really fizzled here.
Uh, current contract.
South Korea signed a four year 32 with Dallas.
You know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna back off it in a hurry.
They brought I saw contract flash across the screen.
I thought it was You know that Trey Burke.
Alright, That doesn't matter.
Trey Burke was good lecture.
So it diffuses it diffuses some of my point, though, because I thought because that it adds up there.
We talked about four years for 32 million contract for Steph Curry.
When I saw it come across, I was like something about these numbers.
What is the evaluation process of Seth Curry if he was moving teams there.
So no, but Trey Burke wasn't bad, I guess.
But there's another good one we thought about next.
Earlier, like there's another is like Okay, like, yes.
Is it like this blazing deal? No, of course not.
And also, it's a nice little deal.
It's a nice little contract.
It's a good player.
Like I would rather give him.
Just make the marginal steps forward, and it ties back into you with Charlotte Hayward.
I think of like you don't have to do the insane thing.
You can also do this like little smart things that makes you marginally improved.
I would rather give Trey Burke 3 10 than whatever the Bucks gave Augustine like 3. 21.
Because that would that? Well, yes, by the way.
Talk about a contract that I was like, Hey, did that really like I was just like like, you wanna bring him in.
I would disagree with bring him in in general.
But then when you tell me the contract is I was like, Whoa.
Like there is no world where I think that three for 21 for Augustine makes any sense at all.
That's akin to when that's akin to one.
The Nets traded Moussa and a second round or to Detroit for Brown, where I was like you guys took a dude that was probably waiver potential for us, and they were like, We love it.
We'll take every bit of that.
And in return, we got a guy that's gonna be a contributing player on this roster.
Started minutes, you know, instead of all those kind of things.
It's just one of those things where you look out in free agency and that the team like, unfortunately, the box like your championship contending team and you look at you go, uh, like I know you gotta make the move.
You want to spend the money.
But that was a head scratcher for me, for sure.
Especially that at that number.
Yeah, I didn't I didn't like their off season.
I mean, the Drew holiday movie is good.
I don't think it pushes them super over the top.
And then it's like Tory Craig Cool.
I like Tory Craig.
I don't know if he should be one of my favorite players.
You bring in Bobby Portis like I don't know.
I just I don't know.
I don't know if those were the moves I e.
It still could have been really, really wish they'd close that one or it was a real deal because, God, they could have used that.
And it's weird because it just feels like it was the wrong off season for them to need to make a big move, right, Like it's just feels like, Oh, the market is not right for you guys to add a key piece.
That a key position, even though, like the Holiday one's good, by the way, King's ransom to get him.
And then you just think about the other, like others positions where you want to improve and you go like, Tell me the guy on I would again like I e even case it would have been better.
All like getting a Rajon Rondo in up there in terms of what keep, you know, brings to the table just knowing it for the Bucks.
Then maybe it arguably does for the Atlanta Hawks with where they are.
Um, yeah, no, I even Gallinari would have been solid for them.
I mean they could have just chased older players.
I don't It was a weird pivot.
Just so, like decide.
Okay, we're just We're not We're not getting this.
Let's just do whatever end of bench guys like I don't know.
I don't I don't know if their end of bench guys from last year any worse than what they added this year.
I actually would argue, maybe the guys last year.
I know Korver look cooked.
It's a certain spots and, you know, at any of the other guys Sterling Brown like, I don't know, Sterling Brown might be better than anybody they brought in, Um, that I just I don't know.
I didn't love it.
Well, that is that Bogdanovich piece we talked about about like, Hey, the impact on Middleton's game, if you have got it like that, makes a lot of sense, just at least, how it can open up other other pieces of the game for your starters.
So losing that diminishes the Drew holiday, moving a lot of ways and also creates a little bit more what you know what is in other spots? So yeah, it's weird, by the way, May well prove us wrong.
Like, at the very least, I'm glad that I will say this.
At least Milwaukee flipped a bunch of things to say like, Hey, we've run into a two years in a row now where it just hasn't been working the way it should be.
Based on what we have on paper, we might as well stir the pot here a little bit.
I don't know if it's gonna lead to the success they want, but you at least have to do something and I don't.
Three years 21 for Augustine probably isn't something I was talking about.
But at least you're trying to do something because you know you're gonna run into Brooklyn or you're gonna run into Boston or you're gonna run into even Philadelphia, 70 Sixers like Miami again, like one of these teams is gonna come in here and they're gonna treat you just the way you've been getting treated the last two years.
And it doesn't look like you had any answers or adjustments to make to it.
Yeah, and I think a lot of that's coaching, so I mean, it'll be it'll be fine.
Yeah, which may be what they needed is toe have a worse bench, so he can't go deep into it.
But, I mean, I don't know, like I don't really know if that's his style.
By the way, the footnote around around Yannis and that Supermax is that that's why Anthony apparently is waiting to sign his contract with the Lakers.
That the premises he's waiting to see.
Whether or not Johannes goes to that right now or if he holds out, then Anthony Davis will do a one on one contract like LeBron has done whatever so that the Lakers can keep things open and available for that next year.
Just, just just throw it out there for the people.
If you're wondering what could be down the line, it could be a LeBron James Anthony Davis and Yanis three headed.
Just go ahead and stop playing the season scenario for the Lakers.
So stupid, I hear.
Do they possibly win a championship this year to I hate this stuff.
I honestly this is how I felt about the hard thing to I'm just like, Can we not like the league so fun right now? Do we have to do this? It was pushed back on.
It is I just don't want it like I don't want it.
Not because he's not hard, because you know what I mean.
Like, Yeah, great. Of course, the team will be amazing.
And I'm just like, but also, like, put him other places, spread it around, make it exciting to see these matchups, not to just wait for the finals.
That's what he said.
That's what made this past season exciting because of these dynamic teams rising.
And what is it gonna look like in Miami? Comes out of nowhere like that? Made the playoffs exciting.
All right, we might have lost Adam. Alright, guys.
So I We're gonna close this one out.
I'll be back tomorrow.
m. I believe 10:30 a.m. First thing.
Well, I'll probably go over more free agency stuff because, like, that's kind of the move this week.
I think it's just sort of go over everything.
What I think I might do is just maybe find a graphic and kind of go through every move and and well, I'll figure out something I wanna make tomorrow's fun.
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