I believe we're on episode number 38.
Losing track over here.
So many episodes back and get with my co host, Steve Lewis again for another episode.
What's going on, brother? How you doing tonight? Um, you know, I'm just living life, Mark.
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So, Steve, we got a lot to get into.
Mostly on the MBA side.
We have Free agency open This past week, a lot of teams making moves.
I'm gonna start out really quick with you with the defending champions, the Los Angeles Lakers, because I know we're gonna I know we're gonna talk Celtics and I think it's gonna take a lot of time.
So I want to start with the Lakers first.
What they've done in free agency has just been unbelievable.
After winning the championship, they have the reigning six men of the year.
Montrose Harrow coming to them.
They have the second place finisher in sixth Man of the year.
Then it showed it coming to them West.
Matthews is going over there.
The resigned KCP.
Marc Gasol is not going over there.
They just retooled.
I mean, it seems like they're on on a clear path to repeat.
And what do you think, brother? I mean, yeah.
I mean, there's nothing really else to say about it.
I mean, they might go with some a couple of free agents, and it seemed like they improved everything that they just did in the off season.
To me that way, better roster a ton better.
I mean, adding Marc Gasol to the mix is just one of is probably one of the quietly the best signings of the off season so far.
Bringing a guy in that it's got a great role is going to compliment Anthony Davis very well.
I mean, they lost Dwight Howard, but I know honestly, I'd rather have Marc Gasol.
And that's in the situation than than enjoy Howard.
So you have to like that.
They up there, three point shooting, they add West Matthews there.
I mean, one of the best snipers in the league, and and yeah, I mean, everybody wants to play with LeBron, right? Yeah, why not take a ****ing They got mantra.
Harold. Dennis Schroder.
Like they finished 12 and six months of the year voting you had. Unbelievable.
Harold Move had a lot to do with the animosity was built up with the Clippers in the past season.
Like that was a personal decision that that wasn't I just want to go to the Lakers like that was like Doc's gone.
I had all this beef.
I hate Paul. George.
I'm going to the Lakers like watch this watch the Clippers drowned some or, like you know, so e appreciate that.
And then Dennis Shorter obviously was definitely a nice upgrade for them.
Uh, with losing Rondo.
So yeah, I mean, I can't say anything bad about what the Lakers did this offseason.
Plus, they still have two of the top four players in the NBA still on their roster so easily.
Yeah, the only person there waiting to sign right now is Anthony Davis.
But we all know he's going to sign.
Uh, rumor has it he's waiting to see what you honest does to see if he if he honest signs that, um, that Max Supermax extension because she gets the super Max.
I believe that I look at the same numbers to try to structure a D s deal.
If you're honest, doesn't sound super Max.
And Eddy is going to do a one and one basically and then opt out again after this year to restructure again next year.
And also the bronze.
A free agent next year is well, so we'll see how that turns out.
But Lakers fans, not really much to say.
You guys get a dominant team and you guys want a clear path to another.
LeBron's gonna make it to another finals like sharing, Most likely.
But now we're gonna get into it.
Steve, we're going to get into it.
Well, let's first congratulate. Let's say first.
Congratulations, Thio and new sweatshirts on sale.
Uh, Jayson Tatum.
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Jayson Tatum, five years 195.
Oh, he's gonna He's gonna He's gonna opt out in year five, opt out or opt in, opt out.
Kinda like Gordon Hayward just had, you know? So who knows? Maybe we can hopefully we could get the craziest thing about this is when this contract is up, he's only gonna be 27 years old.
He's just gonna be entering his prime, which is just ****ing wild to believe and and on a side note, securing the bag like, shout out, Fred vanvleet.
You know, getting getting 84 million over four years, undrafted, and I and the best thing that came out was he actually had a a predraft.
Hey, had a video at the draft when he didn't get drafted that night and he had to go up on stage here to tell us whole draft party that that, you know, he wasn't being drafted.
And then he actually turned down two D league offers because he really well, it was willing to bet on himself and trying to make a roster and do whatever he killed.
So he was like, I would rather go for it rather than so and then sit back and make $300,000 a year and look at an undrafted guy.
Makes what, Over $20 million here from over the next four years.
Like at Fred Vanvleet.
Shout out for him.
Alright, guys, we're gonna get into the Celtics and their moves that they made the biggest story.
We'll get into the signings, but we'll get into the biggest story.
We opted out of his $34 million final year of his contract.
It was rumored that the Celtics, looking to sign and trade him, which is obviously still up in the air.
That hasn't been completed yet, But he ends up signing with Charlotte 120 million, four years, 100 $20 million.
Steve, I'm just gonna let you start because I know you got a lot to say about this, I'll counter it.
But the floor is yours, brother.
Well, first of all, shout out Gordon Hayward for, you know, also getting the back there $30 million for 1/4 option.
Uh, is pretty impressive.
I'm not gonna I said I said it to two.
It's like everybody was like, Oh, he's not gonna There's no way he opts out of 34 million.
I think we all kind of have the same mindset, but there's no way you opt out of 34 million not knowing that there's some kind of agent had been talking to teams like There's no way you opt out of 34 million without knowing there's some kind of a similar offer on the table from somewhere.
I mean, with Al Horford last year to there's a lot of there's a lot of mid tear, like to slightly average players making over 20 million.
We just saw him, Marcus Morris, get four for 60 for today.
So I mean, guys air making money in the MBA.
Which way or other? So yeah, I mean, of course Charlotte's gonna throw anything at him.
I mean, Charlotte's got nothing.
So that made sense.
And if we date back, I believe when in the last year of his contract at Utah, Charlotte actually reached out to him and signed him to an offer sheet, which you tied it up matching.
So I mean, there was only there was always interested in, actually trying to go to Charlotte at some point.
But I think our biggest thing was that it was learning what was going on in the process of everything that was happening in terms off what the Celtics were trying to get out of it because I think it was pretty.
It was pretty much a foregone conclusion that Hayward was on the move somewhere.
We knew that he wasn't.
He most likely wasn't coming back.
So there was always that option.
But we knew it wasn't it wasn't likely.
So let's state back to the trade rumors, right? So, Indiana, Indiana, Indiana, I believe on the last week's show.
We pretty much thought that he was gonna go to Indiana for Myles Turner, another piece which obviously was one of the front running teams, its's him going back to his home state.
It's also a great trade partner for the Boston Celtics because it gave them exactly the asset that they wanted to return, which was a big and miles turn.
So we're going back.
What kind? Assuming that's gonna happen.
We find out that there's only two other teams that in theory could, uh, go after Gordon if he opts out and giving the money. Which was the Hawks.
And it was the Knicks.
Charlotte was nowhere to be found like that was even being talked about.
But and I think a change took a step back and said, Well, you could go to New York or you go to Atlanta.
But in theory, you're not gonna want to sign a long term deal with neither one of those teams.
Let's play chicken, Gordon, Let's play chicken.
You know you wanna go to Indiana, we want to trade you to Indiana.
We have to work out the tray specifics.
Indiana puts up Turner and McDermott, and that's just fact that happened.
We know that for a fact that that was that was the trade thing and then change counter.
And he wanted Turner or slash Oladipo.
And what was what was the other piece that you wanna you wanna you wanna turn our or T J? We're was reported.
You want to turn our or T J Warren or Turner and Oladipo correct.
So basically, right there. Let's stop.
Let's just stop and let's think about this for a second.
My biggest issue with Danny Ainge is not the fact that he just keeps hoarding all these draft picks, even though that is an issue.
It's the fact that in the history of history, Danny Ainge feels like he has to win every trade that he makes no matter what.
And honestly, after a while, it's a bad wrap around the league because no owner wants to be played a fool with.
And that's what makes Boston such a hard trade partner with half the time.
Because all these guys going to get screwed over somehow.
So we see those two deals being worked out.
Plan A is probably obviously, you know, if you can pluck Oladipo a warrant on top of it.
You do that, But let's be realistic. Mark.
I think we would have been okay with taking miles turning Doug McDermott. No.
Okay, so so right there were holding back.
We know Gordon's not going any of these other free agent destinations.
And then all of a sudden, Michael Jordan swoops in, offers him, offers them the bag, and he couldn't resist.
So my stink with the whole situation is that age messed up and how and and left before.
And so I'll talk about like, Yes, Danny Ainge came through and got a Tristan Thompson pick up and got a Jeff TV, And I think honestly, like this team is better than it was last year.
Just because we know that they could succeed without Gordon Hayward on the court because we had just bear with it for the last three years.
Three years, so you know that they could succeed.
But I think the problem is that you lose that opportunity to be able to have all that caps, case cap space.
It's just it's just gone now, and there's nothing that you could do about it.
And I think that teams that pushed the cap are the teams that the most successful in the league now.
Oh, yeah, they're Yeah, they're they're very high in cap space.
So the Celtics now lose all that money, and they really don't get any to reap any of the benefits of it.
Now you're talking about possible sign.
And trade may be an asset coming back, maybe a trade exception.
But all in all, like you knew that this day was coming.
So toe lose him for nothing is an absolute failure, and I don't care what we don't know that we lost him for nothing yet.
I mean, who you're going to get from Charlotte.
It could be it could be a 13.
I know is that there's 100% probably gonna be a 13 guarantee that he was supposed to be.
He was supposed to have an interview tomorrow morning at nine o'clock.
People immediately assume it's because he's trying to work out more specifics of the trade.
No, no, he's not coming on air because he knows he's gonna absolutely get pounded for. No, he's not.
Dude, he's gonna eventually go on and cancel the interview you just posed.
Actually didn't cancel the interview.
Did he postponed it? That's different.
Way different than canceled.
It is you never do it.
Postponing it is. You move into another day. It's different.
It's like when you go into a court case and the attorney like they get new evidence or they or something happens that they weren't ready for or, you know or they're back peddling.
What do they ask for, Mark? They ask for a recess.
You know why they ask for a recess? Yes, because they have nothing good to say come that interview because they know exactly what that interview is going to happen or they know what.
The signing hasn't even been made official.
It hasn't yet, but it hasn't been made official.
It's reported he's signing.
It hasn't been made official right now.
The Hornets don't even have enough cap space to sign Gordon.
They don't have it.
But the tubes gone, right? Not yet. That's what I'm saying.
If they if they renounce Batum and stretch them out, they take on $9 million a year for the next three years in extra salary that you're just throwing away.
Whereas if you trade somebody and do a sign and trade, you don't have to do that and there's actually teams that are showing interest in Batum, like Brooklyn and other teams.
So that's why you work in the third team.
And even if you get a trade exception back, you're still getting a trade exception back that you could use later on in the year.
I think you're still getting something to record it.
And, like everybody's like ages, like should just trade.
Gordon should just trade Gordon when you have the chance.
But you forget that Gordon was a free agent.
You can't just trade them because they traded up two weeks ago. No.
Yeah, but nobody wanted him on one year deal.
What do you think? What do you think? Indiana? What a four year deal.
That was the deal for $100 million contract.
It was always Indiana.
Okay, So s So you don't You don't allow him to get to the opt out scenario so nobody else can come to the table and say, Hey, we're willing to offer you this amount of money.
You say this isn't gonna change.
Weeks ago, this wasn't gonna change you.
Then make the decision because you know what your need is.
And basically, you've got to the point where you felt like you had leverage.
That's exactly what changing the Celtics thought they had.
Leverage vs Hayward and Hayward turned around and said, Listen, you don't have that much leverage because I'm not gonna give you what you want anymore because you haven't given me what I wanted to.
You didn't have anything.
Indiana wasn't on the table with one year remaining on his contract.
Indiana didn't want him before he opted out.
You know what I know is Mark.
Indiana wants him on a longer contract.
But you and I both know if they trade him to the on that one year deal, they're going to restructure at some point. Mark.
No, it doesn't know you do, and that's not how it works.
He just ****ing went to Charlotte like if he really wanted to play in Indiana, Indiana would've took him on a one year deal.
And then at the end, when he ups out, you would resign Indiana.
But there's also, you know, a Of course he did.
His agent is always talking to teams.
That's what agents do.
I understand that they came from the top ropes, his agent didn't come from the top ropes.
Dude, you don't think he knew he had somewhat of that that type of offer on the table somewhere? Because yes, he did.
You know, the Boston Celtics sort of knew about it, because that's not true.
That's not true.
What do you mean, it's not true.
If you're in negotiation, you come back. Agent.
If his agent has teams telling him that we're willing to offer him similar to what he's gonna make in that final year, he's gonna tell Gordon that.
And Gordon's gonna opt out of that 34 million knowing that he could make 30 million somewhere else.
But the fact that they're not gonna Boston you bring that number to the table and you let Indiana know that.
Listen, that's the number that you're gonna have to take him with.
And I didn't wanna Indiana didn't wanna pay that, and neither did Boston.
But they probably would have.
But the fact of the matter is the fact that so they wouldn't because they didn't want to.
They they didn't want to give up what they were.
The Celtics were asking them to give up.
If this was like an easy one for one trade or whatever it was, it wouldn't have gotten to this point.
Yes, it would have.
Still, what I'm saying is it still would have got to this point because Gordon was a free agent.
Gordon didn't agree. Thio.
Gordon didn't he didn't agree to anything.
Gordon didn't agree to anything contrary to what you want to say.
Gordon didn't agree to anything.
He would never agree toe Indiana or staying in Boston or any of that.
He was gonna go with the most money.
You were the one that sent a report saying that he was moving family back to Indiana.
Yeah, I said, That's what they talked about.
He's back in Indiana, which he is.
He is back in Indiana like that didn't treat.
That's not untrue, but that's where he lives, like that's where his family is.
That's like a normal.
That's like a normal summer for him to go back home.
I always got four kids, but you probably would want to go back to India, but what I'm saying is when a team comes to you with 120 million, would you have wanted the Celtics to match that 120 million because Indiana didn't want Thio.
So would you want him to stay in Boston for 30 year? No, but I Yeah, no.
So, no, you wouldn't like.
Indiana doesn't want Gordon at that price.
But you know, obviously, for some players, it's not about the money, like like 10 $20 million.
It's not that big of a deal to me.
For Gordon, it is what, 100 million like Gordon has even put a full season in three years, and he's been making 30 plus million dollars.
It's still it's clearly about the money.
It's clearly about the money he was offered four years, 100 million from the Celtics and the Pacers.
Those were the offers, and and and Charlotte gave him 1 20.
What did he take? Extra.
20 million, right? I guess that's what you know. 20%.
That's what happened.
That's what ended up happening.
They ended up signing with Charlotte, So, yeah, I mean, yes, it's about the money, right? I don't know.
I like Gordon toe like step up and start talking about it, or I like somebody e like I would like somebody from the Celtics for an office still, like, start talking about it like take some responsibility instead of just letting these things go and not explaining the ins and outs of what's going on and just letting everybody continue to spend.
You can't talk about it yet, because nothing's done yet.
There's no done deal yet.
There's still a sign and trade in progress.
The Celtics will be getting something back.
We don't know what yet, but they only have one open roster spot left.
I guess I know you're upset, man.
But David, age is not You're upset to Danny.
It is not the guy to come out right now because he did everything that that he had to dio.
He did what he did.
Everything in his power. He did.
Danny Ainge has been nothing short off mediocre as a GM in the last five years of the Boston Celtics, okay, but that's because you're assuming there's always a trade to be made, and that's not the case.
His name is Trader Danny like, Why are we gonna call him trader Danny all the time? If he's not making any moves, what track what draft toe have for somebody that doesn't do exactly what his nickname is.
He does. It's just not for big players.
Oh, get out of here.
You even said it before the draft.
There's no way the Celtics can make all these draft picks.
There's nothing they could.
They made two of them.
And then they Yeah, they traded away.
They traded away the 30th pick for another draft pick.
Yeah, that's what I said.
That was one of my scenarios in the article that I wrote.
But it's not the right scenario all the time.
I think it was a pretty good scenario.
That's every year, and they continue to make your your main red cause team or whatever they are.
Crustacean nation better like I don't get it.
So the Celtics coming in.
So they ended up signing as you talked about Tristan Thompson and Jeff Teague, right? What does some things they needed to get better? They needed a big man, right? Okay, Let Tristan Thompson one of the best rebounds.
One of the best, but they needed backup guard depth.
They got Jeff Teague, another great ad.
They needed more depth than shooting.
They got Pritchard in the knee.
Smith in the draft.
Pritchard does now as a shooter.
Pressure was the backup.
That was one of the guards that you were talking about with.
You just added with teeth, you could say Naysmith.
But, like, Listen, Pritchard still a shooting.
Why? Because he's a guy that makes no sense.
Pritchard shot 42% from Really, What are we talking about here? Of course he's, of course, the shooting.
No matter what position you play, if you add shooting, you add shooting.
I don't give a ****ing piece of center.
First of all, college line MBIA lines is a little different.
No. Oh my God, Here we go.
It's not a little different.
Obviously, it's a little different, but like if you're a good shooter, you're a good shooter, bro.
Like, Come on, let's be honest.
Listen, I'm not gonna play this whole card that just because some guy shot 52% in 14 games playing against UNC Asheville and Johnson and Wales and Bum at Johnson and Wales throws in their biomass teams early on this season, you know, and that can skew your stats and then all said, Jay Bilas comes out says that's the best shooter in the draft.
Listen, I'm not saying that the guy can't shoot, but how many times have they taken? Draft picks were like, That's a nice pick or or we could do whatever they want And then all of sudden, there are Bus, so we can't just say they address something without actually seeing it.
Let me see that this guy actually could do what he could do.
And then I'll say that they address the need that they need to do address.
That's all I got to say about that, Okay, is that just because they're rookie, that's fair, right? I guess that's with every rookie.
I mean, if they had the number one pick in the they drafted, the shooter like you would probably say the same thing, right? It's the number one overall pick.
I hope they have a little more common sense of who they drafted number one, because clearly the only thing that they can do is draft inside the top three, because after they draft outside the top three, everything else turns to trash out.
I don't know Marcus Smart was the sixth pick all congratulations on a role player off the bench.
Role players. Unbelievable.
That you call Marcus Smart a role player.
These are all defensive player.
Tony Allen was an all defensive player.
Doesn't mean that he was anything special.
He was special without 20 Islands Southern championship, you know, like 20 gallons.
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Take it easy, Larry.
Anyways, Ally got to say is that if the Celtics so if the Celtics aren't able to draft inside the top three and be ableto be ableto Drev up these players to be great players like no free agents are coming to save them.
No free agents are coming to save him because Boston is becoming not a destination for people who want to come to because of the way free agents are treated once they come here and Gordon Hayward s.
So let me tell you something, let me know.
How are they treated? I just want to know how they were treated.
Tell me how they were treated about.
Tell me how Kyra number one tell me how Kyrie was treated badly by Boston.
What do you mean, How? Kyrie was treated by Boston.
How badly was he treated? Right? All these big name players are leaving Boston.
Carry Al Horford.
How was how was car You said Boston treats about starts with Isaiah.
Let's not forget about Isaiah.
Isaiah? Well, he wasn't a free agent, but yeah, go ahead.
But he kind of was a free agent in a way, was he not? Yeah, I guess he came mid season in a trade.
I got you, you know, Go ahead.
Way shipped him out of town really, really quick.
And he obviously was the savior.
He ended up getting your Kyrie Irving somehow.
But the first the problem is, though you just you don't Kyrie Irving was a guy that you need to make sure that is whether or not I think he's brain dead and he's a lunatic.
He's still one of the best all around talents and basketball.
So you need to treat that guy Well, because that guy is able to attract guys like Kevin Durant.
So the idea is that you cater to those guys because they're able to.
You're able to surround themselves with better players in the N B A.
Once you lose out on a guy like that because you didn't do what you needed to do to take care of them, that's what happens.
But you keep saying they didn't take care of him, but I wanna know what they did not take care of them.
What do you mean, what they didn't do to take care of it? What did they do? Not take care of him? One minute he's telling the fans that he's coming back and reciting in the next minute.
They're losing games, and he's not happy because he didn't have the proper talent around him to be able to succeed in some ways.
And people are gonna blame.
People are gonna blame his mentality for the reason why that went south.
But in his head, he's gonna tell all of his other All Star friends so that it didn't go down like that.
But you and I both know that's how it went down.
You could just see what every public perceptions What are you talking about? You Kemba Walker came in and then it's like flip a switch Jay LeBron and Jason Tatum of the two of the best players on the planet.
But that's another issue that you've got on on the horizon, right? You're trying to deal with Kemba Walker out of town after being in one year because you know that he's got he's got nobody trying to deal him out of time.
What was never a case that was all rumors that never happened, because everything the Celtics do his rumors mark, that never happened.
Kevin Walker's name has barely come up in trade talks like if maybe like one time, it's not a big thing at all.
All I'm saying is you overpaid for a guy that had knee issues coming in, and now you know he didn't have any issues coming in? No, he did not.
He was one of the most healthiest players and most durable point guards in the history of his his whole career.
He did not have a career in his career.
Find out the time where you missed significant time in his career before he came to Boston.
You overpaid for him and you didn't overpaid for me is a Max ****ing contract guy.
You like you have a nice guy.
You lied and you said Plan A was Kemba Walker and it's cancer.
Was that not a lie? Nobody said that was playing a Who said that was playing a 88.
That's not plan a plan.
Maybe they really didn't want to get rid of Kyrie, but that definitely wasn't planning.
It's a good backup, right? It's a good backup plan if you get rid of Kyrie Irving, and you can replace it with Kemba Walker, who at the time was in all MBA point guard and average better numbers than Kyrie coming into that season, and he allows your team to be better on Lee.
Reason why he was in all MBA or or the points that he was able to have was the fact that he was pointing out a bum ass team where he could dominate the ball 40% of the time is that it makes no ****ing sense.
He was a ****ing All Star started this year to with the Celtics like come on.
And had he not been hurt, he could have made an all NBA team this year.
It was a fan boat.
So what? It was a He wasn't a started last year.
The All Star Game starters, whoever gets picked as a starter in the All Star Game is irrelevant to me.
Because anybody could get picked as a starter with the fan vote.
Correct? Yeah, but it's only a percentage of the vote.
It's not a full fan bowl.
I mean, it's a pretty good percentage.
Yeah, but still, you tell me you told me.
You tell me Kemba Walker didn't deserve to be an All Star starter.
Kyle Lowry was a starter in the All Star game one year.
That doesn't mean anything to me.
If I unbelievable, you can't.
You are what? You know, you're sitting here telling me what Kemba Walker do the first half of the season.
He didn't know what.
He didn't deserve to be an all star starter.
You're just gonna leave it? You're gonna just say it's a fan boat, but you're not gonna look at the facts of what he did to earn that spot.
He wasn't even the best player on the team at the point guard position.
Yes, He ****ing waas in the league in the Eastern conference? Yes, He was used a starting point guard in the east.
He was the best Eastern Conference point guard at that time.
He deserved not.
I mean, there was a guy in Brooklyn that you just got rid of. That was hurt.
That probably would have been the starter in that game.
So what he was It doesn't matter.
He was on the numbers.
Dude, look at what Kemba did.
Look at the numbers.
Listen, I'm not downplaying Speak for themselves, but you and I like the fact that you are saying the addition of Kemba Walker isn't the reason why the Celtics were so good this year and oh, and exceeded everybody's expectation just blows my mind.
E don't know how you could think that it was the fact that your your young players took another step.
And why? Why? Because Campbell let them allow them to allow them Thio, you differ to those guys.
How come they couldn't do it last year with curry? How come they couldn't do with chi relation? Be a pretty sweet life to be a max contract player and be able to defer two other players to be better than you on your team.
Yes, like it's like it's the easiest life in the world, right? Like, did you just make it? You have, like, making up things like you're looking at dollar value and money without looking at what players actually need to do to make their team better.
What passed the ball to the better players on their team? Yeah.
Pass the ball a Tatum and Brown and then come to the shoot.
What happened last year? How come Curry couldn't do that? Think about it.
How come Curry couldn't do that? Because Kyra, better than welcome.
How come there was such a big difference? What from? From Tatum's maturation and his development and bronze development from Kyrie season to campus season.
What was the difference? Those players had another year to develop.
Okay, that was had nothing to do with who they were playing with you, right? No, I really didn't.
Okay. No, that's fine. Now it's fair.
I guess you lost in the Eastern Conference finals again, didn't They? Didn't They didn't get better.
Where were they were the year before? I mean, come on, come on, Come on, gentlemen.
Swept by the bucks.
Let's let's be real. Let's be real here first.
And I really played awful in both Siri's.
Did Kemba show up in the Eastern Conference files? No, he didn't play well at all.
Okay, so that's my point.
That's my point when it ultimately came down to it.
This guy that you are preaching for.
But that's also Kemp's first playoff experience.
What do you mean, move on your final? What the what? What a champion is different. The quarterfinals.
Don't count the semifinals. Don't count.
It's different to carries an n b A champion like, Yeah, but that's why he's better.
He would be better student on the Boston Celtics.
He would have been better for them this year if Kyrie Irving was healthy and they were in the conference finals this year with the roster, you don't think they would have got by the Heat? No, because if Kyrie Irving was on the squad, Jayson Tatum and Jenna Brown wannabe the players that they are right now.
I mean well, that well, then that that's a uh, that's a mental component that I wouldn't want in my star players that they can't handle playing with one of the best point guards in the basketball.
Probably the best point guard in basketball if they don't if Kyrie doesn't allow him to play that way, when you have guys like Kyrie when the final play of the game wasn't drawn up for him and he was yelling at players and stuff like that like it affects people, but I don't think it does, But it does.
Should be drawn up for Kyrie, Irving, Mark.
No, he's not one of the best isolation players in the basketball.
He's one of the best isolation plays.
But when you have other guys on the team, when you have a team like that that had Tatum in Hayward at the time when he was healthy, like any one of those guys, any one of those guys and you and you said it yourself your big toe.
Uh, Brad Stevens, out of time out players.
One of some of Brad Stevens best out of time out players was when they would do a play and then all of a sudden Jae Crowder would be open and he'd stick a shot or Kelly Olynyk would be Open and he'd stick a shot.
Some of his best players not always going to the same person.
Okay, but my question to you is what changed from last year to this year that that mattered with Brad Stevens doing what he was doing because all he was doing was Mawr isolation basketball calls.
Jalen would get a shot, Jason would get a shot.
Kemba would get a shot like That's not running, Please.
That's not getting creative.
That's doing the same old thing.
The only thing? Differences.
You're doing it with three players rather than one.
That's how I feel about it.
Listen, there's a reason Tatum got five years.
He needs to be your best player on.
If if Carvey was on the team, he wouldn't have developed into that.
Just wouldn't have.
The guy you gotta build around and you know it, that's fine.
But Kyrie Irving couldn't could have worked in that mix to, in my opinion, But like I said, he believes the Earth is flat and we're getting away from the whole the whole situation.
The only thing that I'll have to say about the whole thing is, I feel like Danny Ainge has been less than still Joker.
Still not what he was doing.
Just over like he's less than mediocre at this point.
He's not even mediocre.
He's less than mediocre at this point.
So that's kind of the time I feel about it. Like you.
Just So when he gets in return for the trade, though, yeah, I'm still waiting.
I'm still waiting on that mark.
It's gonna happen.
All right? That's gonna happen.
What do you What is your So what do you think about the trust and tops of the Jefty Exxon? I think it's a good play.
I'm not going to say that.
I I saw Tristan Thompson coming, but I obviously had to, like, look at the Cavaliers roster.
And I said that those two bigs next to each other really didn't work.
So I think that signing is good too. For 18.
I mean, yeah, that that addresses your needs.
He definitely is a guy that compelled the boards for you, and I mean, he's not gonna score much, but, you know, he's defensively.
He's definitely gonna give you some clout in the lane.
So I respect that.
I mean, the Jeff Teague plays what it is.
He's 11 year veteran, you know, he's He's a hat pick.
You know he's not gonna hurt you.
He's better when you're trying to build a championship team that those like the guys you need. The right.
He's better than Brad Wanamaker.
He's better. Wanamaker.
You got picked up, though.
So I think the Celtics are better than they were anyways.
But the same time the Celtics air better from last season to this season.
But Danny Ainge didn't do a good job.
He didn't do a good job with the Gordon Hayward situation.
There's a big difference there.
Okay, you're managing talent.
You're managing talent, Mark.
Remember that? Yeah.
That's that's That's how you got to realize Gordon had an option you wanna talk about so the Southerners can't do anything about it, so that's gonna do anything about it.
I understand what you're saying.
So he had an option. Opt out.
You wanted you wanted them to.
I know what you're saying to You wanted them to trade him before he got to the option.
Nobody is taking Gordon here with that 34 million for one season.
Like I said, Okay, so we just It just wouldn't work.
Even if you get it from one season, odds are you're gonna be able to re negotiate with him.
That's not true.
That's not true.
Not it's not because then he would be a free agent again.
Then the teams would just come like Charlotte did and other teams, especially if he had a good season.
Teams would be coming after him and giving them more money.
So just because you traded form for one year is not a guarantee that you would be able to keep them for years to come.
If he went to a place that he felt comfortable in going, he probably would have felt good about it.
That's how I feel about it.
It felt like it was only Indiana to me, so if you got a minute, it wasn't clearly he wasn't as high as Indiana or maybe he just really wanted that extra 20 million.
I understand what you're saying, Okay, I'm glad we see eye to eye on that.
Okay? All right, brother is good talking.
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Get well soon. Clay.
That's a terrible, you know that that really hurts.
I mean, it really was looking forward to see what the wars we're gonna be able to do with the return this year.
So unfortunately, not gonna be able to see that, but yeah, shot Klay Thompson hopefully gets back better.
And, uh, yeah, that's all I got to say about that.
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