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And tonight we've got a special show for you, where we are joined by members of the 2015 n.
A. A champion Syracuse cross country squad.
Uh, this past weekend was the fifth anniversary of the teams win in Louisville.
We got Justin, Dan, Marty, Colin Pillow and Joel joining us tonight.
Guys, welcome toe to the show.
Thanks for, uh, a good guys back in the situation and I'm going to kick it off the last week.
We're in a nice Siris of stories about the wind and leading up to it, and one of the things that they talked about was at the end of the 2014 N.
Is when you guys were one spot short of the podium and Marty, I'll start with you.
Is the senior member of the squad.
What is the feeling like when you guys were leaving tear a hole coming back to Syracuse with that fifth place? We were pretty disappointed.
Um, you know the goal like of are kind of like when we all signed up.
To be on the on this Syracuse squad was like Let's get a trophy like let's get on the podium and that that's top four and across hundreds and I mean, we really And that whole season we were I mean, they were pegged to be like potential contenders to win.
I mean, they kind of snuck up there throughout the season and people were like, You know, we I think it was it was a little bit.
It was a lot for us.
It was, ah, place we hadn't really been been before as faras expectations go, and we definitely just fell flat.
I mean, we did not live up to those expectations and, um, you know, I would say no one would say they had a great race.
Andi still ended up fifth, and I mean way should have been ecstatic.
I mean, we were 10th year before, and fifth is still awesome improvement.
But, um, I think again, like we were expecting more out of ourselves.
And it just left a sour taste in our mouth.
Right? So ****, what is it? What do you bring back to the training, then, um, coming off a finish that you feel is disappointing.
How do you you get through indoor and outdoor track? Which box? You guys had a good strong outdoor season that year.
It z May 2015 commencements over outdoor seasons over.
How do you approach summer training? Now get back to that podium spot.
I mean, I can only speak for myself in the summer, but, I mean, it seems like for the most part, we didn't really change too much.
You know, we're just building off of what we had done the year before.
Like Marty had said, You know, we had never been in that position before and we might have got a little too excited ourselves and thought, you know, we could shoot for the win or top three here.
And rather than looking at, like, the goal that was maybe a little bit more realistic at the time, like a third or fourth place finished, we kind of just went for it too hard.
And when we felt flat, we, you know, felt super disappointed.
So if anything, you know, the training didn't change too much.
But maybe our attitude towards.
You know how we need to handle the races, especially in CS would be going forward.
So just taking each day as its own. Basically.
So a lot of teams that are looking for a national title would stay and train together the entire summer or go someplace.
You guys didn't do that, though.
Correct? You guys kind of everybody kind of went back and did their own thing for the most part.
Oh, what I say, okay, Yeah, I always wish.
Honestly, I I think I was talking to follow about this, like, I don't know, maybe one or two years ago.
But I thought I always wish that we did do a training camp and did like because, I mean, our team was very closely knit it anyway, so we didn't really always We didn't need to do like, a team bonding thing, but it would have been nice just to like, um, you know, just, like, have a fun sort of build up to cross country a little bit looser, anything, get tau work.
But, um, honestly, that's me saying that now, but I was probably the first person to leave campus.
E just went straight back to Canada every time.
And, um, I never came back until, like, right when school pretty much started.
So I was usually kind of late to the picture.
But, you know, looking back and missing these guys now.
And I'm smiling like year Thio here.
See faces that I haven't seen in a while.
Uh, you know, Joel and Dad, and, you know, if I was been gone for a while now, so I haven't seen this face either, but, uh, you know, looking back, I always wish that we did do those training camps.
That would have a lot of fun.
So Joel does that.
Did that fit, though, Like, just the way that the team vibe was and the culture under coach box that you guys didn't feel like you had to be together.
You're around training that people kind of trusted each other to do the right thing over the summer.
Yeah, I would say so.
I mean that I think that was one of the biggest factors.
Going from 2014 to 2015 was like, we all like believing in each other.
And there was, like, a level of trust.
And there was a lot of different things going on, you know, like in years past, that kind of prevented us from maybe doing a camp together, whether it was, you know, read doing, you know, stuff at a hospital or even Martin.
You know, I think Martin went to Spain one summer.
A few guys, you know, interning here, there.
So we all kind of had, like, different things, I think gave us a good break from maybe the day to day, um, you know, social side of running, but, you know, still allowed us to get, you know, our our job done, You know, either before or after work during the summer.
And I think it was kind of probably a good break for everyone that we weren't, uh, you know, on each other's case throughout the summer because we were pretty close with each other, So I think it was probably for the better.
So the first day of preseason camp Colin, do you notice a different attitude with everybody on the team from right from the start of that season? I'd say probably, Yeah, definitely felt like everybody came in off a really good summer.
Like follow mentioned he and I had stuck around Syracuse.
Um, just because we wanted Thio and nothing.
We both benefited greatly from being able to hold each other accountable and get some good miles in together.
Um, but as everyone else has been saying, you know, everybody kind of trust each other had faith that people were going home and doing the work they needed to do.
But I think to start off that year, we went thio.
We went to a new workout spot.
Is it kind of like the backside of one of the roads that we ran pretty regularly? Just start off the season? And it was just It was harder than anything anybody ever run before your one that it was.
It was a miserable experience and and I think it just kind of started the whole year off, showing that we kind of meant business.
And Coach Fox are set the tone for us by giving us something harder than we were used.
Thio and really showed that you know, like you know, place wasn't good enough and we need to be better than were the year before.
We wanted toe feel accomplished to add to that I think the year before was the infamous our first time ever going to Prebble.
Oh, yeah, from Prebble Thio.
We were getting put in the ground by Coach Fox.
Remember doing that work out with you guys? And I was like, **** either, Like, I'm really out of shape, panting or like, these guys were really fit right now because I don't know.
I remember it's going like, pretty fast, but like it, it's stunk.
But that's just how I was feeling that day.
E mean, the freshmen were walking e, you know? All right. Yeah.
So I was part of the before that season.
I was part of the group of the alums who came, and we did that bat presentation.
And, you know, I know that the alone's were really excited about the direction the program coach Fox had taken it.
Um, you know, we were pretty pumped.
1/5 place was unbelievable.
Tow us, um, and thought, Hey, you know, going into 2015, we're trying to get people toe really rally around you guys and what you're trying to accomplish, and I remember being a manly that day and kind of I think you felt like, Who are these guys And like, you know, this is great a bat, but like, what is the point here? And I don't know how much we thought used the title was realistic, but in your minds, like from the start of that camp, were you guys thinking like this was an attainable goal? Yeah.
I mean, I'll say, I don't know if you guys remember this, but I feel like every time we went to Green Lakes, I would just always talk about hunting the Buffaloes.
Like, do you guys remember me? You like kind of mentioning that? And, uh, I don't know what what the deal with that was or why I chose that quote, but like I knew.
I mean, I didn't know too much about running by a new based off of my freshman year that they were the team to beat.
And as I said, like they were the only I wasn't looking at the teams that beat us.
I was just looking at the team that just won.
And I don't really care about who got third or second knowing I feel like our team was just chasing who God number one last year and just trying to solidify ourselves getting that spot and stuff.
Yeah, And like Thio go off of that.
I feel like like to answer your question.
I actually thought, you know, when you got like, when all the alumni showed up with the bad, I was actually really taking it back.
I was like, Man, I didn't realize.
So, like so many people were all were, like, so equally invested in, like how we were doing, eh? So I thought that was just another, like, kind of kick in the ass like the man we got to get it done this year.
Um, And then But to answer your question, I also feel like it wasn't something we felt the need to talk about every day.
Like, do we, you know, are like we're like, Are we trying to win this thing or were like, we're gonna like We just kind of like, all new, Like that was what we're like.
Well, what if what do we train for? If we're a top five team, that means you're trying to win the championship.
I mean, it's like, yeah, you know, every team in the top 10 months from the championship.
So I thought it was kind of actually pretty cool that we didn't overkill the the whole, like we're gonna win every day is, like another like, hard work towards one in this trophy like you kind of just put our heads down and like, it was like an unspoken truth that that was that was what was gonna happen.
I think I would say for it, like in my own head.
I think going into this season, especially after last year, the previous year's finished, there was everything there that needed to be there.
And so, like, everybody was really confident.
And you never really know how your season's gonna go until you get like, a couple weeks in and you get to test yourself racing.
But e mean, I don't think it was until Wisconsin when we won and we had Justin column.
Marty just kind of dominate.
Ah, even though they still like e don't know if you guys felt like it was a great race, but I mean for all three of you to be in the top 10.
Um, I think when that happened, it just felt like we could control our own destiny at that point, like if we execute and everybody runs really well, it could happen then.
Like Marty said, it's not something that we necessarily talked about, but it went from, like, feeling like I mean, you always kind of need a little bit of luck, but I think it just kind of solidified that we could do it just by having a good day.
So the win, the national title, Obviously, people have to be all in, and it's not just your top five or top seven.
Were there moments during that fall where you had to step in and it felt like someone was off the plant are not pulling their weight all the way? E don't know.
About 2015 got in 2015.
I think I'll just say something like being a distance runner and like, you know, we have a lot of brides that are pretty strong and like the five K 10-K.
But the one thing, at least for myself, which I found motivating, and I kind of group myself in this class.
But you know, even joy.
I know he's on the chat right now, but Joel was like a you know, he killed the mile.
He was on Mylar at Syracuse and him being one of the older guys, one of the leaders, And for him, his bread and butter was a mile.
But during cross country season, he was a 10-K guy.
Who's that guy? He was one of our top five.
That he was our men out there and to see, like, how he worked hard and like, he never gave up.
And like, he was pushing us in all these workouts to, um that was that was not even in the same group.
Is you okay? What I'm saying when I say you guys are us? Like, I'm talking about the entire team.
But you got to remember that it wasn't just me and Marty and calling like the fact that you were crushing it in your own sense.
Like that was I e warmed up with you.
You almost You almost beat a freshman year at a CCS.
You know the photo.
Could you e I was serious about that.
So what do you guys? I mean, I saw that to go back to the d o story coach Fox mentioned that no one missed the day or work out because of illness or injury.
So what are you giving up as college students? You know, for a semester? Thio accomplish those goals didn't give up.
One thing I know.
A guy who's juggling the marathon and med school, right? And fatherhood.
Justin, what do you give up in that semester? Yeah, that means they committed to that goal.
I don't think like it was nothing big like it's stuff that I wanted to do because of my goals in my passion, but, like, you know what it's like to be a college kid like kids are having fun like they're not going to bed at, like 10 oclock on the dot and waking up at, like, 7 a.m.
At that point, I don't even think I was doubling, to be honest, but you get the story.
We lived a certain lifestyle like during our season.
We way didn't drink.
Our team was a dry team during our season, and I think like even being one of the younger kids on the team, where I had, like, a lot of either freshman or sop****re friends and stuff like that and always trying to get me to go out with them because I'm friends with them.
So like they want me toe have that relationship outside of just like school with them.
But, you know, sometimes it's hard to constantly say no without offending people and off.
I mean, I I wouldn't change anything, uh, during my time in college, But it is something that I would say that our team sacrifice and did for the greater good and worked in our favor.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't I feel like there's other guys that had to have been like similar to that. I don't know.
I think we I mean, at that point we were We all enjoyed what we were doing.
So, like, I had no problem coming home after getting my ass kicked on like a workout.
And just like making dinner would call and then just like crashing on a couch.
That was that was a good night, Thio.
Understand what you mean? You had something dead and you're gonna say, Oh, I was just going to say it's just that we didn't live like the typical like college student life.
But I don't think that really any of us would have traded that for what we did get out of college.
You know, our our experience was unique, but I think our experience is exactly what we wanted.
We were heading to Syracuse, so, you know, in the grand scheme of things, the other sacrifices.
But they were any sacrifices that we really wanted that we weren't ready to make, I guess.
If that makes sense, yeah, absolutely.
So just referred to the Buffaloes.
That was the Colorado who were entered the season as the two time defending and see a champ, right? I think in any of the year you guys were third in the polls behind Colorado at Stanford, they weren't at Wisconsin.
I know you mentioned that.
You guys opened up for your first full squad was the coast to coast in Boston, guys, one really easily went out to Wisconsin and defended your title.
Colorado wasn't there and stand for only ran a couple of guys.
Um, was there any sort of looking at results of what they were doing? Um, Or were you guys just focused on what you need to accomplish as a team.
I mean, I personally watched them so much.
I just personally watched results.
But I was gonna say it's like I only really cared about our own more than I think, just to keep myself informed of what's going on.
You know what I mean? But like all that Martin finished.
No, I'm not gonna argue with that.
We saw what they were doing, but at the same time, like they did, they always did Kind of like weird needs.
Like they had their own little **** out meat.
I remember, like a trial and everything they did like after something that altitude.
It was It was It was always really hard to compare ourselves to them because they race teams.
We didn't race like the race.
All teams out west at BYU.
You didn't come to Wisconsin on they were there that year the way they were.
There are, but for the most part, it was It was very hard for us to like compare their results tow hours anyways, but yeah, we could see that they're winning. Three national.
They're winning the meats that they're running.
So, you know, we knew that they were still going to be the top dogs take down, right? Yeah.
He has a history of doing that.
Even if the regionals, they typically hold off people and kind of play that you never know who's gonna be in the top seven.
When they told the line at N.
C s grandfather Lloyd, I was just going to say I think it was a very, uh, individual thing, Whether or not you wanted to look or not like in terms of, uh, specific results or like projections.
Um, right. I know.
It was like a kind of, Ah, a storyline.
Not that we ever really like.
Hey, bought into it at all.
But at the previous Wisconsin, um, was the flow track, um, saying there's a chip malfunction when we want, uh, and I remember I was watching on my couch at South campus because I was injured.
Uh, and that was definitely just like a big rallying point, not only because we won and there was this, uh, you know, very exciting feeling, but like the fact that there was a little bit of it, almost hate haste to it or a flow track throwing a little bit of shade.
And I think from that point on, and I don't know if there was any lingering things before that.
But, um, it just felt it was like the little Jordan ship that's always just kind of like on your shoulder, where you could always lean on that if you wanted a little bit of fuel on.
And I think that continued, when I don't know when you're in that position of kind of an underdog, because there's, I mean, they're the defending champions.
Your You look for those things.
It's five years later.
Six years later, if you guys wanna trash blow, track a little bit, first thing you need to go right ahead.
But what is that motivating? That you know, Syracuse.
Look, I'm from the era where we were one of the bottom of the Big East.
You know, the team hadn't been nationally competitive since the fifties.
Do you feel like you know, you show up at those meets you mentioned Wisconsin in 2014 were in Syracuse, and people are just like, you know, they're not the name.
They're not Colorado.
They're not BYU.
They're not traditional power.
Does that provide a little bit of that extra juice you know that you need on those tough workout days and those sweet road miles? Yeah, I think.
Guys, I don't know if you guys remember this, but I think there was, like, a flow track article like maybe like the season preview that year that said, Can Syracuse possibly cracked the top 10? Maybe, Maybe not.
But we know there's one thing they're good at, and that's getting 15th place.
And we were like, Well, we were 15, 4 years in a row or whatever, but it definitely left a sour taste in our mouth.
Yeah, I feel like we knew what we were doing that in Syracuse, like the workouts that we were doing and how impressive they were at the time.
And I feel like we knew that we weren't going to get the praise that we deserved until we actually went out there and show people what was up.
And I feel like that 2015 season just really kind of solidified our spot and our respect at the end of the day.
And, you know, I feel like even moving on afterwards, like died like people even carried that respect because they knew what team mentality was about.
E think for for pretty much everyone talking to Coach Fox.
I mean, he made it pretty clear on day one that, like, it's there's really no frills at all with the program.
It's just like a bunch of normal dudes.
Uh, most of which, like, didn't really get that much attention in high school.
Uh, Marty loves to say he was never stay champion.
Uh, but just like the that whole attitude of just like being normal guys, um not needing the like, super extra***ant, like trip to Arizona or Colorado over the summer, even though Justin, I know you e o but to be able to do it just as you know, doing it with your friends.
Andi, I think that was that was a rallying point.
Unrelated Thio like flow track or anything, just to be able to do it with people who lived.
I think everybody lived within six hours of Syracuse, so that was pretty cool.
So now Justin, where your provincial champ Year last year in high school eso you but you're the only guy in the top seven.
That level of, you know, individual success in high school.
No one else was a state champ coming in all, I was like, two time state champ, right? And Massachusetts accounts.
E was going to say the same thing about Ontario, but all right, so you got you two guys had the accolades, all right? I just wanna Well, kind of you cruise through after Wisconsin A C c is you breathe through and dominated them.
And no, the Northeast Regional, it's you and Iona just to qualify.
You guys air 123 right.
Justin, Marty, Colin, I think a 10-K right way have to remind you whose New York's college Thio.
That's quite all right.
You guys race though each of those together And I have to say that's because this will set something up for later.
But those meets you guys were gonna pack most of the way.
Um, was that sort of the strategy for all those meat? Sort of.
Just how it came together in those I say it was definitely strategy.
I mean, I know I know pretty much from the start of that year.
Up until nationals and my race plan essentially came down to finding wherever Marty was just trying to say was responsible for Islam is possible.
And, yeah, it just It works out a little bit easier when cross country races go the way they do with just being costs lower art and get moved towards the end.
No one Marty had as much experience as he did.
It was obviously pretty easy to assume that he was gonna put himself in a good spot to be ready for the move, the end, the race.
And between that and obviously Justin being competitive as hell just win every single race he was.
You know you want to um, so, yeah, I mean, I think it was It was definitely a little bit of the strategy.
You know, That's kind of always how he how we worked out, how we raised it, just made sense that try to pack up his many guys as possible.
But then also just worked out well, because that's kind of where we all wanted to be, too, and made the most sense for trying to go out and score some points as possible.
You guys when you guys went Northeast Regional right? And Fox gives this interview with Let's Run right after the race and they asked him about nationals in Colorado and he says, Oh, maybe if there's a flu that goes through Boulder will have a chance E Right now, what's he say to you privately is I mean, he's not saying we don't have a chance Eyes a man who he's not one for like, like pump up speeches or these big, long like monologues like, You know, I mean, if anyone who ever tried to talk to him, you know, he's not many words e mean he knew he knew we all knew it was kind of goes back without saying like Justin Unspoken thing like it Didn't anybody harped on you guys could do this, So let's go.
That's e feel like the only thing we'd ever get from him was probably just like after we run like a crazy workout or something and everybody looks super impressive.
He would just be like you were like that we're champions and then, like that was like the only he still says it to this day, like even on an individual side and stuff like that.
So, um, I think it's very good.
Like it doesn't bring that pressure of, like, you know, you got to do this.
You got to do that.
It's just like if you work hard, then you should accomplish what you're working hard hard for.
So I will say it got us riled up when the week of regionals.
Like the whole time leading up to it.
Uh, coach is just kind of like we're just gonna take it easy, just, you know, run like whatever aka and then, like, kick at the end.
And then, like, was it like, the day of or the day before? He's like you guys were going 123 Like, hey, had this up for regionals more than any other race that year.
Yeah, really? You got next up.
You said something to him or something on.
Maybe they had a little side that go in there.
So you guys win regionals, you come back.
Dan, what's the what are the last like last 10 days before you depart of Louisville? What's the What's the mood in in the workouts in the locker room? E way.
I don't know if I could remember too well, but I do remember it being like, you know, obviously nervous.
Start kicking in a little bit.
We have maybe one or two big, probably, honestly, only one big workout left.
And at that point, like the work has already taken care of.
So it's kind of that whole, like, you know, mentality again.
Now it's just time to get back into it, like thinking about, you know, doing the right things, making sure that you're going to bed on time.
And I don't know.
I don't think that the mood really shifted that much.
We're usually the same on day one is we are on the last day.
I mean, other than like, the amount of work that we're doing we're trying to skip is much.
School is possible.
E didn't learn like the no classes on Fridays.
Until things like Junior, you're actually that's bad team leadership and e didn't miss any classes.
Eso you guys get down the Louisville box assignment, you drop the number one right? So anybody superstitious and on the team, or is anybody like Oh, this is a good omen.
Bad omen or, oh, man, we've got nobody on one side of us.
And that's an advantage for us at this.
At this crazy start, I'm superstitious.
I thought that, but greatest shot to that funnel.
Yeah, I honestly correct me if I'm wrong, but is it like you go straight? And then it's a sharp left e, And then it was okay because I was worried.
I think I was worried.
Remember, there was that digit to like that.
You have to, like, avoid E.
Yeah, I was just scared that people were going to start coming on our side, and you just get caught up or something, but okay.
I was the first mile in that race, like 4.
20 something, right? Wasn't something absurd? Yes, that was one of the That was My next point was, you know, was that the plan strategy from Fox was that you guys were gonna take the race out and take it out hard? No way could really take the race that we just kind of let I mean tearing way.
We're just hanging on for dear life.
I mean, I don't think there's ever been a and simply championship race that strung out in the first 4.5 minutes.
The way that that race was just a long train, pretty much from the gun.
And so way all kind of knew where we we're supposed to slot in in terms of what would have been a pretty reasonable place, Um, to be a know nothing.
Now we're all kind of thinking no better be in the top 10 for a long way.
Couldn't finish their everybody else was under the certainly basically looked.
Want to stick around 40th, 50th and take everybody's asking that last half and maybe the way way we got there was pretty abnormal given past years, but it was pretty way just sort of followed the normal race plan, ignoring how fast it went out and just kind of s.
All of you guys agree with that statement that you ignore how fast that went out.
Well, I'm not gonna lie.
I didn't know how fast you were going, but I was upfront with says and turn in and Anthony room pitch and eventually, like tearing in and has made another move.
I don't know at what point it was sometime after, like maybe two miles or so.
And it was me and Anthony is, you know, I'm kind of cool with the UTEP guys in general.
So, like, I was just talking to him during the race and I was like, Okay, so here's the plan.
They're going out wasting their energy right now.
We're going to just sit back here, relax, but then after, like, you know when we get to, like, Okay, let's start reeling them in.
And he's just like, yeah, okay, okay, like that Sounds good.
And then eventually got to a point where, like, I started hearing and panting a little bit, getting a little tired, and I look at it, I'm like, you are Are you ready to go like we want to start reeling them in or something? Or at least trying to.
And he was just like, you got to go without me, man.
And I mean, I was gonna real those guys in anyways, but it was I was stuck in no man's land for a while.
And then, uh, think Pierce came Pierce Murphy.
One of the Colorado guys came and ended up passing me but get to the last to get to the last two K.
But I gotta ask Joel this because the first time myself box after you guys. One.
He was talking to myself for a couple of little lungs and talking about the race.
And he said that you were in pain that first mile.
So I'm gonna ask you, Joel, you're the Mylar.
You're out at a ridiculously fast paced.
What's going through your mind when you hear that split? I don't really recall what the split was for.
You know where I was.
But I remember just kind of way were 2030.
Me pillow and Dan found each other.
You know, kind of right where Fox said, like being that 40th, the 60th range.
And we kind of ended out actually sitting right on like e think Colorado's like 456 or something like that.
So we knew we were in a good spot in it hurt, but I think we were prepared for, you know, we did a lot of workouts that fall where we started off fast, you know, on a hill or something, and then settled into a tempo or some sort of ****.
Like so, you know, we were preparing for that hard, mild.
I even think back, Thio.
There was a ccs at Florida State, you know, it was a similar start, you know, maybe downhill.
And I want to say we were out in close to 4.
30 that day as well.
And you know, that stung a little bit too.
So we were ready for the fast pace.
And, you know, it was just something I guess we expected.
Okay, So you guys were talking about you know, where you are slotting in place wise, but there's 250 people in the race.
So for people who aren't familiar with it, you know, can you explain? Like, I know you've got Fox and Bell and and Smith are out there.
Um, are you looking for each other? Is single.
It's Are you listening to what? The cultures there telling you as far as where you are in the race.
I mean, I know Martin a smart guy, and you can you can count to 10, but some of you got these other guys, you know, those guys didn't have too much counting but for us, E what if it was 2016 terror hoed or if it was also in Louisville? But I just remember there was someone who actually had a clicker going, and he was like, counting out like the all American spots, which was top 40.
And, you know, that was kind of right in our wheelhouse where you know, me, Phil and Dan were like shooting to be.
So I just remember here in, like, you know, 48 49 50 and just being like, Well, if that's accurate, we're in a good spot like Colorado guys right here, like those are the guys we're most concerned about.
So we can't be, you know, in a bad spot right now.
So it kind of worked out that way.
I think for for me it's like once you get back into that like the cusp of all American range, there's so many people who are there.
Andi, like in the end, like those spots are decided by, you know, a couple of seconds you could be from 36 toe 56 only be four seconds back.
So I mean, throughout the race, I think there is this kind of constant whirlpool where, like you're in a spot and you could just as easily be 10 spots back.
It's like a couple guys make moves.
Um, so I think at least for me, I was looking I mean oranges and that hard to find eso just like looking for Dan and Joel the entire race because I think we were confident if we ran close to each other, something that would happen at around five case split.
You guys had a 40 point lead.
The eight case split.
It was basically a dead heat with you in Colorado.
What are the coaches and people on the side telling you in that last two K? I remember Coach Bell, God **** near losing his mind.
Like like somewhere around one K two k to go.
And he is like his voice.
He can't even make sound because it's so force.
How hot, hard He's screaming.
Um, so we knew we were close, like we knew going to be close, that that that was kind of the point.
That was, like, pretty much hammered help.
It's like it's close.
Every every spot matters.
Yeah, every point matters.
Yeah, and that's all I remember.
Like it was me and you in the last couple of gay like way.
Unfortunately, it was kind of strung out At that point, we didn't have too many more people to catch.
Yeah, I think I remember actually just having.
And of course, that was hollering about how close it waas.
And I remember to Stanford guys passing Marty I was like they were in our group and on reason because I start to Stanford guys and there's only one.
Only the A Colorado was in front.
I thought, It's us and Stanford like where they talk Thio Colorado guy.
We didn't really way didn't beat anybody, I'm pretty sure pretty sure Coach Fox throughout, like the we're winning this at, like, six K before, Like, got back to a tie.
I just remember Coach Fox saying something like that and that, like, I mean, that was a goal.
Like, once You hear that, you're like, oh, like ****.
I want to run fast now.
Uh, but then yeah, like Marty said, I just felt like, utterly emasculated by Coach Bell, like sprinting backwards at the like last k of the race and like keeping pace with, uh I was definitely, I mean, e mean in Colorado.
That's how they won their titles.
They were the team that came came from behind the 8 to 10.
And then in that race, they picked up spot.
But you guys picked up.
I think Joel, you and follow picked up 22 spots in that last two K between you guys.
And I mean the difference is nine points.
And so you guys win with 82 they've got 91.
They had five all Americans, but I'm sitting at home watching it right? And s u football is melting down in NC State, and I remember going on Twitter is something like F football like Syracuse across countries winning at a K or six K or whatever.
And like some of the writers for football were like retweeting it because they were less paying attention to the game.
But you guys crossed the line and the score stuff start flipping.
So now you're exhausted, right? You've given it all for 10-K.
What's going through your mind as you're watching the scoreboard foot back and forth as people finish the race because in addition to the teams, there's individuals there.
And so you've got to sort out pull them out of the team, scoring for placing.
But this thing's flipping.
So take us through that period of time.
I'm gonna be honest.
I think most if not all of us were inside a tent, and I don't think a single one of us actually saw the scoreboard.
You heard the legend of the flipping scoreboard and e actually start with their own eyes if you guys remember this either.
But like the weather drastically changed during that race and it went from being, like, say, high fifties, maybe even 60.
And like a nice fall day in Louisville toe, like probably by the time we were finishing, it was in the high forties, and the wind was like swirling ice were being freezing s.
The women were there, too, and it was a large group of teammates, alums, parents, right? So if you guys were in the tent and all this, can you hear the commotion outside like, who's the first person to find out that it's over and you want? That's like, That's a good question I mean, we were all just just, like, answer your call, Like reserving Really excited.
Like we knew we did well, like we knew history in the top 10.
And then we knew, like, we look back in 10 seconds later, five years old are like power.
And so, like we knew it was way.
Wanna know, really, like, committed thing, But at some point, someone just started.
I didn't really hear people outside the tent, but someone inside and finally started screaming.
Fox was like looking at his phone.
And then he has looked up and said, We want It was like someone texted him. Classic.
That is classic.
Oh, was it that Matter of fact? E? I wouldn't say so.
Like Justin was given, like a post race interview.
Like enough time in the past, where it was like we were just kind of like, Man, that was awesome.
Like we did get justice like interviewing across the tent, all just like happy, but not really knowing.
Yeah, And then you slow the explosion of we always weird because I feel like we did.
Nobody thought that we didn't know that we won, but nobody was acting like we lost either way.
I just remember Justin trying to get everybody come into his interview after we wanted, like, no e want everybody e, but I don't know why I'm remembering this now.
Uh, the people like the I don't know if it was, like, the what you even called the meat officials were like when we went to, like, check in and get our bid numbers.
They were like, Oh, you guys were the last ones to check in and it was like, everyone gets there because it's NC double A so early and they wanna, like, get settled in.
And I think we just keep to our normal schedule of we go the course 80 minutes beforehand or something.
But like, I remember them making a big deal about us being like the last ones.
We were like, whatever e was going to say, uh, like, even before, Like, after that, when we warmed up, that was like, one of the most relaxing warmups I think I've ever been on, like going through those, like, mansions like down, uh, like, around the corner.
And I think we're all just kind of like joking around.
I'm pretty sure we said that one of the houses was worth more than Tara Hope, Uh, just like for, I think, the night before we were definitely a little bit more tense.
And Joel still owes me money, actually, from that unfinished chicken farm E.
But I think by the time the morning we were in such, like a nice, relaxed groove, I'm pretty sure calling it was, like, ready to rip someone's head off, like coming down the elevator.
He was so excited.
So, uh, yeah, way already.
You guys have put in the work, right? You trusted what you've done the months leading up to it.
So you get on the podium, you can see from my background that you guys are get that.
That's the shirts in that trophy.
And then, you know what's it like? Marty Fox promised you came to Syracuse.
You hoist one of these trophies before you left, so they get it in your hands.
What's that thought? All I was thinking was how my face hurt from smiling this for so long for such a long period of time.
So aggressively, mouth.
Uh, no, it was it was like.
I mean, it was surreal.
Like it was really hard.
It was even like before getting on the podium, like coming out of the 10th.
Like Syracuse, we easily had the biggest group of alumni and fans and family.
They're like we had an army outside that 10 and, like, that was almost the best part.
Was like everyone going up like together, just like warm.
And then the meal we had afterwards to that you guys provided was really good.
Oh, yeah, The alums made cross country almost cool for, like, what Day one.
Well, you guys heirlooms.
Now you gotta start picking up the slack there waiting.
Alums introduced tailgating to the sport of cross country, something that no one ever thought was possible.
Well, I was getting excited because there was there was a rumor that it was supposed to be in Syracuse like a C C championships.
So I was, and we were gonna be all graduated, so I was looking forward to like going with you guys and having a tailgate and stuff.
But I guess I I think things change, right? E don't know if that will happen.
We'll have Thio.
When you win, you get to celebrate these milestones.
So you get five and you get 10.
And so you just have to get everybody back together.
Thio celebrate that.
But, um, a couple of people had questions that you guys still in touch with people on the team, you know, you still are.
You know, obviously Fox left and his coaching you guys with Reebok, it felt, took over.
Does he still have You kind of, you know, connecting with men and women that are there now, Yeah.
All the guys that we overlapped with, we definitely stay in touch with three regularly, no bounce stuff off them and even some of the younger guy.
And then finally, finally, we're back up in Syracuse just a little over a year ago just to visit.
And so we met all of the really young guys.
Um, and they've been down in Charlottesville for a few track meets over the last couple of years to so sort of no decent amount of the crew.
And obviously all of our all of us want a team with Griff Graves, whose music that now so we kind of have that connection to even more so, right.
Yeah, I was down at They had to meet this year in Orange County, New York, where I'm from, Um I couldn't believe when they I saw meat on the schedule in Montgomery, New York.
Like a of all places.
So I got I got right down there and I went to Washington.
There's a lot of fun getting see, everybody.
Yeah, but yeah. Still in touch.
It doesn't feel like it's been five years.
You know now? No.
Yeah, on it made it all worthwhile, right? That's that photo of you guys standing there holding that trophy like all those miles.
All those early nights.
I mean, I found my eyes.
I don't know about you guys, but, I mean, I remember when Coach Fox when I was coming on my last year and stuff and he said, Enjoy.
Enjoy all of this right now, like, you know, having a team here, the locker room experience just being in Manley Fieldhouse.
Because once you graduated, like, you'll never have anything like that again.
And, you know, I've been pretty fortunate to have a majority of my teammates or a lot of familiar faces here in Charlottesville.
But I do find myself like I'm always thinking back about like that one year that we wanted to double ways and even all the just all the years of me at Syracuse And, um, it was the time of my life, like we just had such a great time.
There's so many memories, um, you know, through training through racing through our travels and then even outside of running like calling, throwing down foremothers covered pancakes, right when you ever get to see somebody do that, uh, you know, I find myself just always not always been, like a lot of times just reminiscing about all the fun times we had me and Phil lower roommates and listen to Fetty walk for the first time, watching like the basketball game on my South campus apartment.
Like, you know, there's a lot of good stuff in our time and Syracuse, and you know, whenever I see that photo behind you just always just makes me remember everything we put into it for sure.
No, I think same thing like it.
It's hard Thio beat the celebration of that weekend, but like some of the fondest memories, are like thinking of like the sweet road workouts and then, like finishing up and just like sitting on the vans after the workout, just sitting around and chatting and like those were the moments I think that we we always love like the van rides and, um, yeah, well, kind of shoot the **** for a little bit after races.
Just the day to day stuff, I think was always fun for everyone.
Um, so that's that's, like, even beyond, just like winning and celebrating, looking at the background, stuff like that, sitting in Mother's covered on Saturday morning at 8 20 e remember even joy, I mean, used to have the golf turning, and that was the first time I've ever been golfing before.
Like, that was a milestone in my life.
And that was so much fun.
You're my partner.
Way E was trying to see if we could see any questions on the stream, but I can't pull it up right now, So if anybody did have something, apologize, we'll get back to it.
I appreciate your time, guys, you know, Martin.
Colin, You guys are in the midst.
You guys wanna give a shout out or plug before we head out? Is involved in the marathon project next month.
Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much the plug.
You know, we're down here in Charlottesville training with the Reebok Boston track love.
And we've got the It's called the marathon Projects.
Um, it's like an elite on Lee, obviously marathon out in Arizona, kind of being built and put on a time trial to try to get some Americans breaking to 10 in the marathon, which would be a pretty big milestone.
And that's that's exactly what we're putting in the work to dio.
So December 20th.
Okay, well, good luck to you guys and pages out there running with you, so we'll certainly update people on the site afterward.
It's Dan Joel, Filo.
Justin, Colin, Marty.
Thanks for taking the time tonight.
Thio, join us here in SportsCastr Livestream Opinions magician. Congrats.
Once again five years and from the 2015 title and, uh, go are and great.
Have a good night.
Thank you, Thank you.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate that guys enjoyed catching up with you, hopefully enjoying catching up