Yeah, And ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.
We've got the exclusive interview with Jason Gay, Wall Street Journal writer and, uh, Jason, how do you feel? How do I feel? You know what? You know, I have had a long and winding career, but this feels like a career highlight.
Being able to chat with you, I appreciate the opportunity.
Um, so let's just get down to business here.
Um, how is it writing for the Wall Street Journal? Well, uh, it's probably a little different than in ordinary sports place, right? So I was sports columnist had, uh, most people who are reading the journal probably reading it because their business or their interested in finance.
And so it's not the most typical sports publication.
I kind of like that.
You got to tell you the truth because it means I don't have to cover every single thing the same exact way as everybody else speaking cover sports a little differently than yes.
Yeah, or somebody like that.
So that's a real pleasure.
And, you know, the general has a big, big, loyal audience of people.
Uh, such as yourself For what? We're grateful but And that's a fun thing to to have a big already have.
The people who are reading winging, telling you what they like telling you what they don't like.
Okay, Thank you.
Um, yes, my family.
I read the Wall Street Journal every morning.
Um, and my mom, my mom and dad, my mom and dad.
You You guys were the first paper that my mom and dad, you know, just keep around to read and, you know, a printer.
They, uh Well, uh, mainly it's the print.
Okay, old fashioned.
I like that. That's great.
For a second question, what inspired you to want to write? Well, you know, when I think back to when I was in school, I wasn't the greatest student you go.
I can't lie to you.
I was a pretty good student at best on my best day on, but we didn't get writing with something that I always had a little bit of appeal be Ah, lot.
I read the newspaper just like you do.
I read the, uh, a bunch of injuries, magazines, all that kind of stuff.
Just you need to me the idea that you could have this job or you write about a different thing every couple of days.
And, you know, when I was in high school, I worked at my high school newspaper, which was really exciting.
I really like that on.
By the time I got, you know, adulthood and I was looking for a job, you know, I just felt like this was the best Crack, a hot, getting a decent job.
It felt like a real adult job door for the newspaper.
So that's what I set out to do.
I started selling advertising.
I didn't, like, wasn't good enough to be a writer right off the bat.
I had, you know, in my straight I worked in our sale.
That was terrible so far.
But writing or something, I did a little better.
I mean, that is totally cool that you started out selling ads and then led you to being a writer.
I mean, I grew up.
I've grown up, as you may know, reading the newspaper, so, you know.
I mean, thank you.
You know, again for being here.
But our third question is is I mean, you wrote little victories back in, I believe.
And how did it feel to see little victories on the best seller list? Uh, it was really neat.
You know, I always wanted to write a book, So just writing a book and finishing a book was a riel thrill.
Um, you know, that was something I aspired to do.
Some space guys, Probably your age.
You know, that was something I thought we were really anything to do.
So it took me a long time to get there, so just published the book, and then the very fact that people picked it up and read it and bought it and shared it gave his gift.
It was a really honor.
You know, the thing that, uh the day that just means the most to me is when people like recently like that because they're spending a lot of time with you. Write a book.
It's not just like, you know, 350 words in the column or something like that.
We have spent a couple of days with even a simple book like mine.
Mine doesn't have too many words or pages, but yeah, it's been a few days with it.
So it's a really honor when people do that, uh, spend some time with it and then to share it.
You buy it for nephew, our father or grandfather? Some like that, you know? Anyway, And there's a nice experience and see it, uh, you recognize that way? It was great.
And I mean, I'm going to try and take some time out.
I mean, I'm gonna ask for the book for Christmas, see if I can, you know, try and read it.
And, uh, I mean, my school Is this a r thing? And none of the books I read or on the A R thing.
So a lot of teachers get mad at me.
It's like it's accelerated reading.
And so it's It's just a bunch of books and a color coded stuff, and you know all this stuff.
Well, you know, you are some ahead of the game.
If you have any interest in during this kind of thing with your life that you're about to read your reading all the time, it's the most important thing.
No one ever looks back and says, you know, what? I wish I hadn't read all those books.
It's a really, really nice thing to dio It stimulates your brain.
It makes you a better writer.
So I salute you.
Fourth question is gonna be on the side of college football.
Um, you know, you wrote that article about Wisconsin Michigan, but, I mean, ah, lot of people probably ask you this.
Who are your four CFP teams? Who are my Four CFT team? Yes.
So, for the playoff college football playoff, Yeah.
You know, at this rate, we're gonna be lucky to have four teams that air, like, you know, have enough people to put on the field.
I mean, this has been such a strange season already.
Yeah, where you are, You know, your impact.
12 country where you are.
And, you know, Texan, go if the games even happened.
Stanford of the game got canceled this weekend.
Uh, you know, Kobe has had a profound impact on sports and really on college football because, you know, that was a big, big rosters.
And they're in college campuses where coronavirus and all that stuff, you know, a significant issue.
And I you know I'm not trying to evade your question.
I e suspect you hear and see, like some of the big like Clemson and Alabama representative, Probably a Big 10 team in there, whether it's Ohio State or Miles AL card from some other conference.
But I feel that this season, you know, what I'm most interested in was getting through it safely without too much delay, disruption and certainly without any significant outbreaks.
But it's been really weird.
I mean, you've probably seen, you know, last week I think it was for SEC games were canceled.
So nobody's, you know, into the coronavirus, Unfortunately, doesn't care too much about the college football playoff.
Yes, and I mean I mean, I'm looking at you know, you you are the one who just broke the news to me that Stanford's not having a game.
I myself in the U. S. Defense.
But I still you know, I have some family, the ones to Stanford.
So I still like, you know, seeing the card cardinal.
I mean, unless the point against us and then that's like a dire hate for Stanford.
But I mean, U S C.
Their game isn't canceled but, I mean, I was on Thursday.
Don't go watch Wyoming play, and and And they got canceled.
And I mean, yeah, a lot of games have been canceled just out of blue.
And I mean, as you said, Wisconsin and, um, and Ohio State, they both have two games.
They're coming up that are gonna be hard games.
Ohio State, obviously going up against Indiana and and Northwestern taking on Wisconsin.
Who do you think's going to prevail in both those games? Okay, I disagree with you slightly there.
I don't think that Indiana is going to get much a challenge to Ohio State.
Maybe a wonderful thing if Indiana was that for, really, when they will be competitive with Ohio State.
But I see is effectively an NFL team.
They're quite quite a team.
And I've seen, you know, clubs that are capable of hanging with them in the Big 10 record over your half.
Once they start going downhill, they go downhill fast, and I'm trying to feel like the Dodgers in there this year, too.
With regard to Northwestern, I don't expect either one of those games to be especially competitive would be nice to have a surprise that happened.
You know, e wouldn't mind Wisconsin having a fun game to watch against Northwestern.
Certainly Euros here.
You what a story it would be if you haven't upset neither.
I mean, I I expect, as you said, I wouldn't really expect much of a challenge with the Indiana game.
But, I mean, Northwestern, a college that I personally want to go do when I grow up.
But they they actually I think that they have the defensive mind to do it.
They have, Obviously, once is that in 42? Uh, he's really good.
I mean, but Wisconsin, obviously.
I mean, Michigan is in, you know, just a pile.
And also Penn State to They're both, like, two teams that came in this game in this season.
Possibly talk 10 teams.
And now they're down now.
Okay, you've settle up there, Which is great.
I think that we want to like, let's let's separate a little bit.
I want I personally, you know, being columnist major judgmental, right? I feel this year I'm giving everybody a path.
I feel like even Michigan, the dreaded Michigan.
Um, this is just a very extraordinary cir***stance.
Programs react to it differently.
You know the Wolverines? That's the university.
There is an epidemiologist president.
You think he's worried about a one of great football team Now he's worried about breakouts in the state of Michigan, in Ann Arbor and his campus and so on.
Football teams just beside Headache.
Same with any program that struggling here.
I want to sort of, like I think the thank everybody should be given a little bit of, ah, room here.
I would say the saloon.
And what are we going to do that you want? The Northwestern.
What is this all about? How can I talk trying to being a Wisconsin badgers? Um, you can't because I wanna goto Northwestern.
How can you be safe if you're 13 years old? You have what, four more years to make this decision.
Unless you're some sort of duty has a prodigy here.
You have a few years to make up your mind.
What can I do to convince you that with confidence, the security choice with the northwestern? Because it is you're talking about the quintessential big 10 experience being in state reason between Lake Mendota and Monona.
This gorgeous campus is beautiful and warm there at least 1/8 of the year.
Uh, you know, listen, Northwestern's an outstanding school, but in some ways it's kind of like East Coast College.
Like going a Bates or cold beer.
Nothing wrong with any of those places.
But you want some sort of Rio Midwestern fiber? You gotta think about school like that.
That's what My recommendation to just just give it a tour.
That's a you know, like, sort of like, you know, the Pepsi Challenge is that these, like, give people soda, and Brian told them and which was which? I wanted to take the Wisconsin challenge.
So when you are ready to choose shrink schools, just visit.
Just go Look at it.
Go look at the campus.
You know, go for a walk around the state Street and you you make up your mind.
I feel good about our chances of getting Zico.
Well, I mean all, you know, check it out.
I do have, like, eight colleges right now that I will try.
I kind of want to apply Thio.
I may I add that I may add that I may say subtracts.
Um, colleges to put Wisconsin on there, but onto our fifth question.
Don't mean to hold you up here.
What is your writing process? Well, right now it's a little complicated because, of course, you know most of our working from home, including me, which means that I'm trying to navigate, you know, my wife schedule on my Children schedule on everybody's working from home to my Children are home from school.
They're not able to go to the classes right now.
It's a little crazy in my home.
Uh, So what I dio, you know is gonna sound terrible because it is terrible.
But I get up really, really early in the morning.
I get up at, like, four o'clock in the morning to start working, and if I could get, like, you know, solid four or five hours on it for the rest of my family, Weeks up started to raising Hack that, that I'm in good shape for the rest of day.
So that's my process.
It's not particularly fun.
I don't like it.
It means I gotta go to bed really early.
But that was working for me right now.
So in early riser, I mean, I have my share of those in my house.
My mom wakes up early.
I think it really I think if you're waiting a six in the morning, you know, birds trip.
That's nice, but nothing fun about four in the morning.
I'm sorry. Yeah, that's true.
I mean, I wake up at around being due to quarantine school.
I now wake up at around seven.
On a normal day.
I'd wake up around six, you know, But we've had we have, you know, we have quarantine, as you said, and I mean our next one going back to that Wisconsin Michigan game.
What was going through your mind when you're getting ready to write the article? Just looking at the score.
49 to 11 with the team with with Michigan having a coach who coached in the NFL coaches, teams, the Super Bowl coached an outstanding mobile quarterback in and outstanding quarterback and Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick, two guys that were outstanding at San Francisco, orchestrated almost one of the greatest Super Bowl.
Come back, obviously, before Super Bowl 51 in in, you know, history.
Obviously it didn't it didn't actually happen because they they were stopped by the reasons.
Um, but, I mean, you know, just how what was your what? What were you like thinking when you were writing the article? I feel a little differently than you know.
Like I want Jim Harbaugh around forever.
I find it really amusing for the badgers that beat him up.
I find it comical that he's making seven or $8 million.
Here is a lot of highest paid coaches and all a lot of professional that's floating on a collegiate sport.
Um, and for them to keep sort of, like flipping, you know, uh, I'm bunking their nose on the refrigerator door brings me endless joy. You go.
But I think that, um, when that was happening, You know, of course, I like to see the biters too well, but I can to go back to what we're talking about a little while ago.
Like I don't have the same blood.
Must just have me for this game, people.
I just kind of want everybody to get home this week.
I feel I have empathy.
Believe it or not.
Wolverines for Jim Harbaugh.
Anyone's You're losing that job right now.
Um, so I just I wanna have a little bit of sympathy for the devil to.
Yeah, I mean, I usedto I usedto love horrible.
I got really mad when we fired him.
I knew that we weren't gonna recover from that and then came called Shanahan and saved us.
And I mean, you know, I mean, my mom, my mom grew up.
My mom. Well, she didn't grow up there.
She she lived in Boston for about 67 years.
So, you know, I was raised part Niners, part patriots, part warriors, part Celtics, you know, part Bruins, part sharks.
You know, that type of stuff.
Well, it's a lot of different loyalties to sort out.
Yes, it is true.
But I must say, I am Maura.
I'm more Bay Area than Boston right now, all right? I mean, I love seeing the Red Sox won the World Series, but, you know, seeing the Giants won the World Series brings me like more joy than seeing the Red Sox in the World Series.
And especially seeing the Red Sox beat the Dodgers in the World Series and the Cardinals two teams that don't really like, So you know.
But onto our seventh question, Our final question.
Do you have any advice that could be life advice? Work? Advice? I asked everybody that I interviewed this as their final question.
Like any advice for my viewers or I You know, I'm just, you know, navigating through life because some of my viewers are want to be sports broadcasters when they grow up.
Or sports writers like yourself.
And it's you know, what advice do they have? You first, you know, is a question, but also that everybody should take any advice from there.
The green assault.
You know, I still feel I am learning.
I still feel like I'm making mistakes all the time.
So the idea that any advice for me it should be again taking with the biggest grand assault.
However, I would say that hearing a little bit about you and your life story, um you feel you I'm sorry my son is talking about Thank you, though.
Um, uh I would say that hearing a little bit about what you're doing and what you're up to.
First of all of this interview has been incredibly professional.
You're such a good interviewer.
You're such a good sort of present talking.
All this stuff you're so far ahead of wherever I was when I was 13 or 23 are probably 30 30.
To be honest with you, the fact that you're reading the fact that you're engaged in checking out the newspaper reading committed the Wall Street Journal.
But you are so far ahead of game I would keep on doing what you're doing and have experiences like have adventures.
They don't have to be like things specific to media and sports and stuff like that live a full life.
You know, You live in a beautiful part of the world, have adventures, keep on doing the things that you're doing.
You're obviously a very curious, engaged kid, like so I'd say, Keep doing what you're doing.
Um, the writing part will follow If you read as you say, you dio you're gonna, like be just fine.
So you'll run into people every once in a while and say like Okay, well, you have to do today and then you have to pee and obstinacy and there's some value to that good instructions and advice.
But I carried to you probably the people that you end up emulating that you wanna be like when you grow up.
They probably took a very sort of asymmetrical path where they wanted to go.
By that, I mean that they didn't go a to B to C.
They probably went eight at XTO w toe cute and and and people going very interesting careers about.
Sometimes they don't arrive exactly on time. Always.
That's okay, too.
So I guess my advice is like keep sticking with what you're doing is obviously really working for you and do things that make you feel good and feel encouraged.
I mean, I must be holding you up from, well, you know, considering it's seven o'clock I assume in New York on in Eastern time.
So I must be holding you up from either dinner or after dinner.
Like a TV show watching well, football's coming up.
So No, no, it's been my pleasure to be part of this. You go.
And I'd love to get any time.
Um, you asked great questions.
I love hearing about your situation and please thank your family for introducing to the journal and grateful to your mom and dad for that.
That's awesome. Yeah.
I mean, our newspaper, you know, you know the journals.
Ah, lot less bias than our German than our thing, you know, and basically happened, I'd say a majority of our, um, of our newspaper stolen from the Washington Post, just every almost every article from The Washington Post.
Here's the thing.
I think that I'm sure that case and that's a thing that's very familiar with Norwegian newspapers and, like, they pick up like larger newspapers.
But the fact that you're reading a bunch of different sources getting different perspectives, I think that's the key.
You know, that's a Greek one thing, one person, one take.
If you read a multiplicity of things, I think that's what makes it, you know, a smart the consumer.
Which sounds exactly what the kind of where you are.
And I mean, uh, I saw your article on tigers, uh, 10th or excuse me.
I have to keep reminding myself it's the 12th hole and that he got a 10 on the whole.
Yeah, that was that was a little bit hard to watch, but I kind of was like, All right, I can relate to that.
Um, I gotta hop off, Believe it or not, my mother's birthday and we're having a mom's birthday call right now.
Oh, sorry to hold.
Sorry to hold you up, then.
Uh, tell your mother.
I'm sure she'll appreciate that again, please.
Thank you very much.
And your family and friends up to have you on our about to be on your show.
All right. You're great at this. Okay, Thank you.
Well, I have a 38.
Well, thank you.
And so, ladies and gentlemen, that was Jason Gay, Wall Street Journal writer.
And, uh, well, I mean, thank you, Mr Gay.
And, well, shout out to your mother.
Um And I mean, hopefully she has a wonderful birthday, and I mean, I I know some people.
They're having a birthday right now.
My neighbor has a birthday right now, and I mean, I didn't mean to pick a date.
That was your mother's birthday.
So But thank you and just saying one thing.
Go Wildcats and, uh, have a great day.