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All right, there we are.
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Much better transition this time.
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Welcome, everybody back to basketball and more with Matt Brooks.
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This is, of course, a SportsCastr official VOD cast.
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I am joined by hardwood.
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Harold, I'm gonna do it again.
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How you doing today? Did I am? Uh I'm having a great day.
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The draft is over.
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Um, which means that all of the work I've been doing for the last 10 years on this one specific draft class I could finally move past.
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I've been watching Cade Cunningham.
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Uh, film.
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So, you know, it's been a great day.
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Uh, tired.
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I think I screamed for I don't know, 100 hours is are there 100 hours in the day? Yesterday? You're doing a stream over like I don't even know like two or three hours is brutal.
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Like I I did a couple of those when when we were like Pete quarantine.
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Um and like, after two hours, you're just like I need a sub like I need I need something right now.
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I need somebody that looks like me to come in because i e I did ah, predraft stream on my channel.
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And then I hopped onto Knicks fan TV and for the draft, and we did, like, a half hour before the draft started.
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And then we did all the way until the second round was over.
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So it was almost like, five hours.
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I think on there like I literally one point I was like, Hey, man, like I just have to go to the bathroom like you're gonna have a pilot.
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It was It was so long. It was crazy.
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I also chose a really horrible, uh, positioning where I didn't have any back support.
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So by the end of it, I literally was like, I just want someone to put me out of my misery.
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I feel horrible.
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I'm old Now.
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I get that.
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I looked better in the camera doing the hunched over thing, but I had no back.
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It was terrible.
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it's crucial I have this giant pillow because I'm gonna need it.
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Adult man, that streams.
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Now, that's that's what My life starting todo eso, That's what That's what I'm doing with my life.
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Uh, fun draft a cool draft.
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I wish I had watched.
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Like, really, I'm looking just at your at the board right now, which, by the way, thank you again for the help on the graphics.
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If you're listening to this podcast, go check out the visual even just for two seconds.
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Just go ahead and do it.
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I'll link this in here, Uh, in the description of this podcast, Um, it's sweet.
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And you did a great job with this as always.
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But, um, you know, like like once it hit, like pick 21.
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Ah, guy, I really started doing writing stuff, so just it was an interesting draft, like there was a couple of pics that I was really excited about.
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I mean, number 30 was one that I was like, Okay, Like, has been trained in Memphis.
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That za niece team right there, like certainly like that is n b a nerd porn right there.
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But no, I mean, it definitely was like it's interesting the way it went, sort of the way things played out.
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So really, to set this off on one just for because I think there's a lot of cases to be made like this.
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Like I really like where everybody went and I don't always feel that way.
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But like you really look at the first, however many pigs you go 12, 13, maybe even 14.
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Um, it's just a nice draft like that so far.
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Who are the three that you're the most excited for for where they landed or who they are? Is prospects.
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Um, well, let's let's start with three.
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That we're happy about where they landed.
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Well, I'm very happy that James Wiseman ended up in Golden State.
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I'm distraught about Clay.
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I love Clay so much that new bomber.
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It's such a bummer because I thought that Clay spacing out the corner and Steph and James Wiseman running ah, high screen and the gravity that they create in both directions and not being able to help off clay Thio cheat down and having to rely on just weak side guys.
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And then you got the rest of Golden State's guys being able to do.
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Interesting. Thanks.
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I thought that was gonna be so much fun.
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But, you know, things happen.
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Um, like, uh, you know, the drip King Kelly uber going there.
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That's exciting.
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But I'm really happy that he went there because I think that, you know, in the wrong hands, Uh, you know, he could have been a position where he wasn't able toe, you know, play to his strengths early on, and I think he's gonna get that opportunity.
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So I'm really, really happy about that.
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Are you curious about what they dio? I'm fascinated.
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Like, does he play next to Draymond? Is that work? Is that a weird e? Just super fascinating about that.
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It's gonna be weird.
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Uh, I I was thinking about dream on earlier today, you know, because when they first did the death line up and it was so revolutionary, and you look a dream on, you're like, Oh, that's the future of the five.
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But like now, Draymond a little older and like his shot has completely abandoned him.
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And he obviously is still a brilliant defender leader past her out of the short roll playmaker.
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All of those things, like he still has things that he could do, but like it almost feels like the game has evolved so quickly that, like Draymond skill set is no longer special.
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Well, he also like, depreciated in areas where it's like you.
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Really? You really needed him to hit threes like you really needed that on you got away with it because he brought Katie in.
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But now you're at a point where it's like, Okay, like what? What? How is this gonna work now? Like, who's the second best shooter Next to stuff Now, Uh, I guess.
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Is it Keller you bright? It probably is right.
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I mean, Andrew Wiggins, when he's hot, when he's feeling it s Oh, that's my only worry is I'm looking at that.
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I'm like, Oh, I don't know what the shoot, but it doesn't I don't think it matters, really.
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I mean, look like I don't know where they're gonna finish.
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I don't No, if I have them is a playoff team, which feels weird, but it's like, you know, I kind of like Portland better than them.
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I like Dallas better than for sure.
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Dallas just improved again with that Josh Richardson trade, which is awesome.
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and for for two reasons.
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I mean, we could even get into it right now.
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Tyrell Terry going to Dallas who Love it.
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Love it.
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Love it, man.
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Um, I mean, Tyrell, I I think I had him, like, 13th on my big board.
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Uh, you know, especially like and then I honestly, I was like, I probably have flirted with putting him higher, like I did be my big board.
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Um, before he had, like, come out with the he got taller, and he's drunk, and he's dunking between the between his legs and the hang time.
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Like all before that, I did my big board, and I really didn't alter it too much because, um, I was doing it for the magazine.
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And I had all the designs, and I was like, I'm not redoing the designs.
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It just takes too long.
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So I was like, I'm just sticking it wherever they go there, if that's fine.
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Like, um, but I love it is fitting.
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I mean, obviously, like, right away, you know, he fills the Seth Curry.
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Hold that, You know, they traded to Philly, which I love for Phileas.
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Well, he could step in and do that and like, but one questionable thing about him, you know, his handle was a little bit loose in college.
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Like that was kind of the thing that stopped the like.
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Is this Steph Curry? It's his handle.
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Just wasn't what steps ever waas.
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So like his creation, because creation ability just wasn't the same, you know, even though he could get his shot, it's not like his handle was weak by any means.
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It just wasn't like, Oh, this guy could be an elite guard.
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Um, but now he's playing next to Luca.
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So, like now he could just be a secondary ball handler.
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He can run off screens.
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He does all of these, like, really nifty things when he's running off, you know, different actions off ball.
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So it's like, absolutely perfect for him.
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And, um, I mean, it Z Rick Carlisle developing him teaching in the game.
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He's smart, It's perfect.
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You couldn't drop anyway right away.
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I think he I mean, yeah, I think he should.
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I don't know if he will, but he should, because Seth Curry was so crucial for them in so many spots.
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I mean, you have him, like, you know, just doing? Hey was a mercenary against the Clippers, and it's just because, you know, that's a guy that Rick Carlisle is just gonna He's gonna figure out ways to use him.
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So it's like, that's a great spot for him.
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It really is.
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And like, Hey, actually would probably be my number one for anybody.
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It feels weird, not even on this board right here.
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And I got some like that has got to be the best spot for him for anybody that I can think of on this board.
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Really, Period, I just I don't know, Feels like he's gonna be a success.
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I don't know how it's to put it.
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Yeah, I mean, as far as like, just absolute, like best case scenario like him.
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I actually think that right? You know, the picked before him.
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I think Desmond Bain and Memphis is the perfect situation, exactly what they needed, exactly what they needed.
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So, like, I wasn't nearly as like, hi on Desmond Bain as the rest of draft Twitter.
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You know who they overreact to? These guys that are like, all right, they're all, like, completely mediocre to good, but they're like, limited unless they're in the perfect situation and I felt the same way almost about like Brandon Clarke last year where if you would have listened to what I was saying before the draft with Brandon and Clark, I was like, I like Brendon Clarke.
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He's going to be good but he's not going to be a great as draft Twitter is saying.
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And then if you go and read my draft grades, I'm singing a completely different tune because he ended up in Memphis with John Moran, which is the absolute perfect scenario.
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It's just a guy throwing lobs and with Desmond Bain.
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Now it's the same thing because now doesn't they never has to dribble the ball.
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He never, never has to dribble the ball.
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One time he could just run off screens and have all of these wide open shots that are gonna be created from all of the spacing and the fact that jock and get to the hoop whenever he wants.
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So that was perfect.
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And then the other thing like, I don't think there was um or Spurs Ian player over the last few years in Devon vessel, and the thing is, if you if you were worried about Devon vessel in any capacity.
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It was due to that weird shooting video, right? And when I was really happened, by the way, I mean, I don't know why else he slip.
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I don't know what else would have made him slip.
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I I would not be shocked if teams overthought it, and that was what it waas.
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But that was that was a concern.
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Before that, I highlighted it to my breakdown video.
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Right.
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Like, um, but the Spurs have the best shooting coach like of all time and ship England.
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So if anybody is going to make that shot into its peak version of what it is, it's chip England and Spurs.
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So, like, that was like when that happened, I was like, That's the best.
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I'm so happy because I love watching that dude.
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And that dude playing defense is just like, that's the dream.
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Like from the wing, like you love you love watching it.
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So he was another guy.
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Um, but yeah, there was a lot of good fit.
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I mean, I I agree, Like even like take r J Hampton to the Nuggets.
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I don't love RJ Hampton, but that's a great They have been great with development.
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And you know what? Life is really easy.
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Life's really easy next to Yokich.
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Like that guy is just gonna just cut just cut back door and do things and take three dunks, and we're gonna give you easy.
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Looks like I suddenly I'm kind of looking at him like, you know, Is this their next whatever Malik Beasley right here like, is this what this is gonna turn into? I don't know, Like I'm just I was just really satisfied with, like, a lot of where these guys with another good one is is Halliburton who I'm if beyond I think you know, I think there's certain things that he's really, really great and certain things I don't love about him but him and Fox is fun.
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That's a fun backward.
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That maybe is one of the most fun.
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You know, young back courts in the league see that I'm really happy that he went to a situation where he's playing off of the point guard.
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Because, like you, I was if he on him too.
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I think I had him like 18th on my board, and that was with the Corvette that I knew he was going to be better then a bunch of the prospect that I had ahead of him.
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But the reason I had him that low is because I thought he was going to go higher than he should have and that the expectations were that he was gonna be your primary playmaker, savior point guard if you listen to how some of these guys talked about him, you know? And they talked about him that way for a reason as far as his personality and his leadership ability and whatnot, but like your leadership ability doesn't help you dribble the ball, you know, and at the end of the day, like you could be a great leader, But you need to be able to break people down off the balance if you're gonna be a point guard.
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And that was my concern.
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So that's why I had him so low.
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If I would have known he was going to go, you know, play off of a deer and fox where now he could He'll still be able to handle the ball.
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He'll still be able to, you know, run, pick and roll.
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But now he's gonna be able Thio sit in and space the floor on the wing of the corner for while Darin Fox getting to the rim, breaking out in transition.
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I mean, it's a really fun pairing, and it's like a really fun spot.
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And that's why I, like everyone, was like, Oh, he'd be great in Golden State.
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He'd be great in Atlanta.
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Well, you know Sacramento.
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Well, not the ideal situation for most prospects.
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Toe head Thio.
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Playing with the Aaron Fox like that's a That is a very good situation.
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And you know it's insurance because who knows what happens with Buddy healed, it doesn't seem like he wants it.
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Or Bogdanovich e.
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You know Bogdanovich is going into restricted free agency, so I guess that if the King's want to keep them, they will write like, um, who knows what's happening with that whole Milwaukee situation? I haven't looked into it enough.
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I don't want it.
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It's above my pay grade right now before I've done it.
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A research.
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But yeah, that's that is a fun fit, too.
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I'm happy he went there, Um, because you know, that's ah, that's a guy who plays the right way, and it is like a culture center.
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So if there's any, if there's any team that actually needs, like a culture center like it's definitely the King's Yes, yes, no, I agree.
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And I think like just the descriptions of his leadership, I think is just, I don't know.
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I just think they could desperately use that.
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I'm not saying he's gonna be like leading the huddle right away or anything like that.
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That's a little unrealistic, but just I don't know.
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They need something to sort of weather the storm, and I don't know if that's a big expectation for him to come in.
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But if he can even just do that through his play, it doesn't even need to be explicitly something done.
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But just to somebody who's, you know, getting everybody involved in doing little things and just making because they're just disconnected right now, there's too many guys.
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They don't all play together.
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Well, you know, it's like, you know, to shooting guards that do the same thing and Deer and Fox and Luke Walton, who wants to play slow deer and Fox who want to play fast.
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It's just a mess.
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It's too many different philosophies and they have a bunch of centers.
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Marvin Bagley is a mystery man that we've forgotten about like it's just like so they need something.
00:14:50
Harry Giles is fun playing for a bit.
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It's just there's too much going on.
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I just feel like he's a connector.
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He's kind of like a I mean, Alonso thing is a great cop because I don't know who else to come back to where it's like, Yeah, that's the guy that kind of connects the dots between everybody Like you said, He's a connector.
00:15:06
He's the guy that's gonna make like if because you mentioned all the pieces, all of those pieces separately or all interesting.
00:15:14
Yeah, interesting.
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At least you know, it's just like who is going to connect the dots and, like Darin Fox, definitely connect the dots a little bit with those guys.
00:15:22
I loved Aaron Fox like I would do horrible things to get Darin Fox to my favorite team.
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Terrible things unspeakable.
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But, um, it's not realistic.
00:15:34
So he's in Sacramento, and I think that Halliburton's the guy that's gonna be ableto kind of glue everything together.
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He's a glue guy and at where they pick 12, like I picked 12 getting a glue guy who was like, brings all that to the table. That's good value.
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You're not getting them, but you're not getting a glue guy at five.
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You don't want the glue guy at five.
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You want the glue guy, you know the back end of the lottery, and that's what he is.
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He's so I'm really happy he went there.
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So far, he's proved he's got the best drip in the class.
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He likes WWF wrestling and I say WWF not W cause he's got the old school shirts I'm all in on that aspect of him.
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Um, big fan.
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Love it.
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Yeah, no big fan and big fan for for them because, I mean, just don't mess this up like just don't Don't mess it up It all.
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Um let's let's say none.
00:16:22
Lemelle Oh, before we kind of get into someone's that I don't know if you're gonna have the same pictures me that I have.
00:16:27
Certainly some like the few questions I have They're like big questions.
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Um, yeah. Lemelle ball.
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Do you Do you feel good about this? You just put out a video today which I'm assuming unless unless you're just putting on a different persona of the videos.
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I'm assuming that's your opinion.
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And you are a fan of it.
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Yeah.
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So I actually made that video, probably in September.
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Um, I made like it was part of a long like that was just like a micro content thing that I chopped up from an earlier video.
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I after the lottery, I had made a video like trying to figure out where Lemelle A would actually work, like the top three destinations based on how lottery shook out.
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And I said, Charlotte, Chicago, which I didn't necessarily on as a Bulls fan.
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But, you know, the fit was, you know, intriguing.
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And Phoenix would have been fun to, but I, you know, mentioned Phoenix was a long shot, given where they were, and obviously they went trade.
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They got Chris Paul.
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So they found their guy.
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But Charlotte was the number one team that I said that would be the best fit for him because I think the pieces that they have outside of Devante Graham and you know, I'm only half counting.
00:17:38
Terry Rozier here is part of like, their long term plans.
00:17:42
Um, outside? Uh huh.
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Take but outside of Devonte Graham like the rest of their pieces.
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Like they're all finishers.
00:17:52
You know, like Miles Bridges is a guy that is super athletic.
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He's super fun, but like, if you're expecting him to go get you a bucket like, you're gonna be very disappointed.
00:18:01
Uh, PJ Washington is the perfect just finisher, like, All right, I'm going to set a screen.
00:18:06
I'm gonna pop.
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I'm gonna hit this shot like I don't need the ball in the head in my hands.
00:18:10
I don't need thio Create offense.
00:18:12
You know, Malik Monk like he does love to create his own offense, but like, he's much better if he's just catching shooting, getting out in transition and even with Devante Graham like, he's a guy that is a knockdown shooter at a catch and shoot shots.
00:18:26
So, like putting him next to the mellow and especially Lamela's tall.
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So he makes up for the size.
00:18:31
Not that that helps defensively, because Lemelle oh can't guard anyone yet, But, you know, theoretically, they could play together in the backcourt.
00:18:38
Um, so I just think offensively, they're really intriguing because low, mellow as a shooter, like he's he's a bad shooter bordering on terrible.
00:18:50
But part of that is because of shot selection, you know.
00:18:54
So if you're giving him or catch and shoot shots, allowing him to playoff Devante Graham, who is good at creating offense for other people, you know that's good for him to as a scorer, you want him to be, you know, playing off other people, Um, getting open shots.
00:19:05
So, Charlotte, to me, it's perfect.
00:19:08
They're going to give him the keys, and they should.
00:19:10
Lamela's a guy that you couldn't go halfway in, you know, like halfway in on.
00:19:14
You either needed to give him the keys, let him drive as fast as he can and see if he could steer it and keep it on the road like he might crash.
00:19:22
He might crash off the road, you know? But like, you have to let you have to see if he could take it, you know, to a buck 10 and, you know, stay straight and Charlotte's gonna do that, and it will be fun.
00:19:33
Um, I'm happy he went there because the fit in Minnesota would've been a train wreck.
00:19:38
The fit in Golden State would have been a train wreck and maybe better with without Clay.
00:19:43
But even that I don't know, even yeah, it would have been better without clay, you know, because Steph could do fun things off the ball and whatever, but the circus there, like none of their veterans would have wanted, like Draymond green Draymond green with maybe strangled him like he might have strangled him, you know, like, he might have gone full spree Well, on this kid, you know, So I don't know e my father would have broken, like, 17 clipboards like it was just shattered by the first half of this first game.
00:20:19
You know, like, it's one thing when Steph is taking like, ah, 35 ft 33 seconds into the shot clock.
00:20:24
Because you're like, Oh, great shot stuff.
00:20:26
You were open.
00:20:27
Like you're the best shooter in the history of humanity.
00:20:30
Like, keep let it fly, baby with When Lemelle Oh, does it is a little different.
00:20:36
You're like, All right, well, we could have just rolled the ball out of bounds so we could set our defense up, like, you know, And you know that he grew up watching stuff and like looking up to him, so he would be like playing with stuff like we're jacking him up tonight.
00:20:49
We got a show like this like what you built.
00:20:52
He might be like e don't know.
00:20:54
He might be like, hey, steps playing with May because the old guard right there, it's It's my time to shine.
00:21:01
Uh, no, I totally agree.
00:21:03
And like, I think like you have to basically put him.
00:21:05
And it's a weird thing to say, because you want him to succeed.
00:21:08
But you almost have to put him in a position where it's like, What's the worst position in the league? Like Like Like in terms of like where you'd wanna play, like, Who is the absolute baseline of talent? Who there needs to be nobody else there.
00:21:23
It's like Detroit and the Hornets like it's gotta be bearing for him toe work, because really, like you go down, it's like the Hawks.
00:21:31
Now that's not gonna work.
00:21:32
The Cavs absolutely not gonna work the Bulls.
00:21:35
I don't I mean, I guess the Bulls would have maybe worked, but it's like like what? Spitzer? Levine? Levine Lemelle Aback.
00:21:43
Korda's interesting like like look, he would have fit well from like an offensive standpoint with the entire like roster.
00:21:53
Pretty much, you know Wendell Carter, you know, rolling to the rim Laurie market in pick and pop.
00:21:58
Zach Lavine, like, doesn't need the ball in his hands.
00:22:00
He's a like on Like I don't wanna say, exact.
00:22:04
Levine is an underrated shooter score, but he is like he is one of the best.
00:22:09
Like catch and shoot.
00:22:10
Hey could snipe it.
00:22:12
Somebody's going to get him and they're gonna be surprised.
00:22:16
I think, to a degree, I mean, maybe not because they've done their scouting and stuff, but his whole thing is he's not a number one option, but if he was able to play like when, there was like, a little bit.
00:22:25
And obviously I don't think this is from the Chicago front office.
00:22:27
But there was rumors like Gallas really wanted, So get him.
00:22:32
So Denver and Denver would have been like Denver and Dallas within the perfect spots.
00:22:36
Like if I could fully see a scenario where if you just gave Zach Lavine Jamal Murray's role in the bubble playing off Yokich, he's having a much A very similar explosion and everyone's like, Whoa, Zach Lavine.
00:22:52
I can't believe it Or at the very least, he's a better like Will Barton.
00:22:56
At the very least, at the very least, I mean, the dude can just flat out make shots score, get to the rim like he's not gonna play make for you very well.
00:23:06
But he's also not like the worst in the world, either.
00:23:09
He's just above his pay grade as faras, like his role on the Bulls, and he's very much so.
00:23:13
A like, uh, I want to say, like to like a second option, maybe like a second and a quarter option, like definitely could be a guy who gets you 50 in a playoff game.
00:23:24
But, you know, also, um, you know, maybe you'd want another guy of equal talent level with him.
00:23:31
Or might you might shoot you out of one.
00:23:34
Don't.
00:23:35
Yeah, but the thing is like he's so efficient, you know he's not a chucker.
00:23:38
That's the thing about his reputation, like he's absurdly efficient as a scorer because he's a phenomenal shooter and he's shooting a lot of tough shots and he gets to the S.
00:23:47
He's also improved so much with both hands.
00:23:50
He's improved so much since coming into the league like it was every single time, because again, like E watched a lot of early Zach Lavine.
00:23:58
It was like when he when he would go to the rim, it would be like he's either going up with his right hand or going up, up and under on the other side with your right hand.
00:24:06
Now he's got He's really, like, just all there.
00:24:09
He's got everything in the bag around the room, and it's like Aziz said, he's shooting crazy percentages there.
00:24:14
Yeah, he's a phenomenal score.
00:24:16
But, you know, and that's that's why the fit with Melo would have been interesting just because it would have been able to take him off ball, taking the pressure off of him to create for the rest of the team. Onda.
00:24:24
Same thing with Kobe White.
00:24:25
I mean, Kobe White and Zach Lavine.
00:24:27
Zach Lavine.
00:24:28
Just a more seasoned version of what Kobe White is we saw at the end of the season, Kobe White looked phenomenal.
00:24:34
I think the last game the Bulls played was against the Nets.
00:24:37
If I'm not mistaken and Kobe White had a great game, I think was an afternoon Sunday game or something like I think that was the last game the Bulls had played.
00:24:44
I don't know.
00:24:45
It was around that time and he looked phenomenal.
00:24:49
But, like again, he's not making place for everybody else.
00:24:52
And, you know, I look Bulls fans.
00:24:54
I love Window Carter Juniors passing ability.
00:24:56
Um, he's not Yokich, right? Like and you know, and I know that he didn't get to show it under boiling, but like Billy Dee is not bringing Yokich level passing out of them.
00:25:05
As good as I think he could be in as a playmaker or whatever, but so the bulls needed that.
00:25:10
They still they still do.
00:25:12
They still, you know, Tomas Saransk E is not, you know, setting the world on fire.
00:25:17
Eso Lemelle would have been interesting there.
00:25:18
But Charlotte is much mawr.
00:25:21
What you wanted out of them.
00:25:23
There's not gonna be a media circus, you know.
00:25:25
He'll still be on ESPN and House of highlights and all that stuff.
00:25:28
It will be much more control because Frank I solo won't be, you know, screaming at him.
00:25:32
You know, one of those one of those kind of guys, you know, you don't have to talk about him nearly as much in Charlotte.
00:25:38
Um, what do you think of Billy Donovan? A brief tangent are excited about the hiring.
00:25:43
I'm super excited.
00:25:44
I mean, I've always been a Billy Donovan fan dating back Thio, Florida.
00:25:49
I mean, you know, those Florida teams were super fun.
00:25:52
And granted, they were just ridiculously talented.
00:25:55
Um, assed faras.
00:25:57
You know, they had so many MBA players on their team, but part of it is like it's hard.
00:26:01
It's a collective effort, even in college, to go back to back national championships in a single elimination tournament.
00:26:07
So part of that's coaching and preparation.
00:26:08
And you know his standing around the league with players like Bradley Beal can't say enough positive things about him and like, Look, I'm sure you know okay, see, fans, I think there are plenty of things he could improve on, but okay, see, fans haven't had to watch Jim Boylan, Um, coach basketball games.
00:26:27
So literally anybody is better than what I don't like to **** on coaches.
00:26:33
I don't like I coach, very coach are at a very low level.
00:26:37
I really I really don't because I think people really underestimate me.
00:26:42
How much coaches do know about the game, and it's so easy to be the, you know, Monday morning quarterback with a lot of the decisions.
00:26:50
But they're just They're just some things that, like, have nothing to do with what you know about basketball, that air, just personality things that everybody just absolutely hates you to your to their core.
00:27:02
And every single player on the Bulls was just like I just can't wait until I never have to see this guy again.
00:27:08
He literally installed a punch clock.
00:27:10
Like for for them to punch in tow, work as like Like, we're gonna work hard guys like Like, what are you doing? And never took accountability.
00:27:18
He was the worst.
00:27:19
I don't wanna get discount Tom Thibodeau, E.
00:27:22
I don't I don't want to get political or anything on here.
00:27:25
Um, but since I know we share similar sensibilities, you know, he was the one guy that when surveyed I've read something that, like everyone, was like, If there is a trump guy in in the league like it's Jim Boylan is the is the guy.
00:27:39
So I was like, Yeah, that makes sense.
00:27:40
And I hate both of those people, so I'm really happy that Billie Don if it could come in regardless of his political affiliation and just take this team and and kind of let Bulls fans see what they could possibly be.
00:27:53
Survey really go out? Yeah.
00:27:55
A.
00:27:56
Really.
00:27:58
It's a real thing like, yeah, it's horrible with rockets.
00:28:01
Pick their coach.
00:28:02
So I mean, I guess, Yeah, sorry.
00:28:04
It's important.
00:28:09
Uh, let's Zsa which over? But since we're taking a different direction, let's switch over to three.
00:28:14
That you and we'll stick with three.
00:28:16
Uh, that you weren't so excited about, uh, in terms off in terms of guys that you were just like, yeah, I don't know.
00:28:24
I don't know if this is the right place for them.
00:28:26
Yeah, the first guys Isaka, Koro I mean it.
00:28:31
I think a lot.
00:28:32
There was a lot of my top and smoke to Cleveland, which, you know, made a little bit more sense from a fit perspective.
00:28:38
From a talent perspective, Isaac or I was a guy that everybody loves.
00:28:43
But everybody loved Jarrett Culver last year, too, and for a lot of the same reasons, and I'm just scared like he's never dribbling the basketball.
00:28:53
Gary's Garland and Concepts and are going to dribble every single possession that they had it.
00:28:59
So you're taking away like one of the skills that everybody was excited about for him, which is like, Oh, he's like a good ball handler And he could make plays in the pick and roll.
00:29:08
It's like he's never doing that.
00:29:09
He will never have the ball.
00:29:10
So he basically just, ah, three and D shooting guard, small forward who can't shoot.
00:29:17
And like from a defensive perspective, it's great, right? Like he's gonna be a phenomenal defender.
00:29:22
Colin *** and can't defend.
00:29:24
You know very well Dari Scarlett can't defend very well.
00:29:26
He could cover awesome, but like you don't have to spend the fifth pick on that like you can go get David Wahba.
00:29:33
You know, like there's there's other options.
00:29:36
Is spending the fifth pick.
00:29:37
It just it does.
00:29:39
It didn't make sense to me.
00:29:40
I hate it.
00:29:41
It was, you know, I was like, I don't think he's gonna turn into Jimmy Butler on the Cleveland Cavs, and that's why people had him at the fifth spot because there is Jimmy Butler potential, and I just couldn't think of theirs on Li like Maybe Detroit could have been worse for him, but at least there's a blanks like sleep there.
00:30:01
Hate that for him.
00:30:02
Um, but I hated it for Cleveland as soon as it happened.
00:30:06
I was like, That sucks because I really want him to succeed, and I just don't see it.
00:30:09
The one thing I like about them, I feel like they've developed.
00:30:12
Well, I I don't know.
00:30:13
I don't know about a big, long list, but everything developed a couple of guys into shooters like Collin ***ton is the one that comes up for me.
00:30:20
But, yeah, he definitely improved.
00:30:22
But like the thing is like, Colin ***ton's shot always looked flexible.
00:30:28
It looked fixable, you know, like even the percentage.
00:30:30
Ah, lot of it's probably the shots he's taking.
00:30:33
Um, he's turned himself into a very good shooter.
00:30:35
So, you know, maybe they have a very good shooting coach player development stuff there.
00:30:40
Maybe it was him on his own.
00:30:41
Who knows If a coral can fix it like that's great, you know, he'll be a really good, complementary player.
00:30:48
He still won't get to show off a ton of the things that, like make him the prospect that everybody was so high on there.
00:30:54
But it'll help. It'll be a start.
00:30:56
And who knows? Maybe they don't wanna keep ***ting in Garland together and they'll move.
00:31:00
And the fit will be cleaner eventually, You know, like that's totally possible to, um But I hated that for him.
00:31:07
I It did not excite me.
00:31:10
I thought that I think that so much of the draft is expectations.
00:31:14
And when you're drafted that high, like the expectations for the player you're gonna be is, you know, is it matters you know you don't wanna.
00:31:22
That's why I'm I'm happy that Sacramento got Halliburton at 12.
00:31:26
Because now the expectations match up with the value, and that's the It's the opposite for me with the Koro there.
00:31:34
We haven't talked about your bulls.
00:31:35
I don't know if they're on your list.
00:31:37
How you feeling? I don't know if this hits two home.
00:31:40
It's an interesting pick.
00:31:41
I don't hate it.
00:31:42
I just and also I love like the little I don't know if you watched the draft, but the stuff would like the flowers and stuff like This is how I wrote my girlfriend watching it with May.
00:31:50
I was like, just watch.
00:31:51
There's gonna be some sweet anecdotes about the players balling the entire 20 that's so nice.
00:31:56
Like it was I saw, like while I was streaming, I had the draft on, but I e didn't have any audio on.
00:32:07
I had the visual, so I saw the flowers and everything.
00:32:09
So Patrick Williams is not on my list from, like, worst case.
00:32:14
It is one of the scenarios where you're like, I don't know.
00:32:17
It feels early, you know? But like So I had him 14th on my board, which is clearly lower than the Bulls.
00:32:26
But I'll read you, um, like my right up on him in the magazine that I did.
00:32:34
And it's nothing but positivity like Pat Williams, maybe one of the draft youngest players, but he's already a man 68 to 25 brick wall.
00:32:43
All of the attributes that you would want to guard Tatum LeBron Lucas down the line.
00:32:49
Um, a little bit raw, right? But he has a little bit of young Hawaiian him.
00:32:55
Can a development staff actually take that out of him? Um, he has it in him.
00:33:02
So, like I know the potential is there It's just like qualities trajectory a lot like projecting somebody the next Jimmy Butler or Bam the next bam or Bamboo with a Kung Wu like I hate that we're doing this.
00:33:15
The band thing. I'm like, we gotta stop doing this.
00:33:17
He's a revolutionary process.
00:33:19
You know what's funny to like? I posted on Draft Day, which, even though it was yesterday, feels like a million years ago in and of itself.
00:33:27
In the morning, I posted a scouting report of Bam's weaknesses, and I didn't have what I had.
00:33:34
It was his strength, and his weakness is it was a scouting report, but I didn't post his name and I said, Who who is this? And people were saying like Willie Cauley, Stein, Um, you know, guys like that because people couldn't have been more off on bam.
00:33:50
They're talking about his lack of basketball like you, Not a good passer.
00:33:54
Doesn't have to feel not going to be a good rebounder.
00:33:57
Probably the best he's ever gonna look physically.
00:34:00
Like all of these outrageous claims that I loved Bam, he was the guy like I wrote it.
00:34:05
It's on, like I have the Screenshots, like I wanted the Bulls to draft him that year.
00:34:10
This was before they had traded Jimmy Butler.
00:34:13
And then, you know, we traded him in that draft.
00:34:16
So the dream of pairing Jimmy Butler and Bam happened just not for for me and my phantom.
00:34:22
Um, but I I freaking loved Bam.
00:34:24
And I thought that a lot of what he turned into it was pretty obvious at the time, and it was outrageous.
00:34:29
He went where he went.
00:34:31
But the scattering report that I posted it was like the sentiment at the time, and that's why he went low.
00:34:38
But it's just like some guys you watch, and they just moved differently.
00:34:40
Their natural basketball players on the court.
00:34:42
And, you know, that's honestly the way I feel about Wiseman when I watch him move, like at that size.
00:34:47
Like it's not to say that he's gonna have the same trajectory and all of a sudden become Point center.
00:34:51
That Ban is.
00:34:52
But you know, there are certain guys you watch.
00:34:54
They move differently and, like band moves differently.
00:34:56
Ah, can you doesn't move as clean as bam does.
00:34:58
He just doesn't you know, um so projecting people to be the next.
00:35:03
Whatever is tough.
00:35:05
So even if they're shades of it, like, bring it back to Patrick Williams like their shades of of Kawai in there for sure.
00:35:12
But he could also be Marvin Williams.
00:35:14
You know, like and Marvin Williams was the guy who played in the league for 15 years, I don't know.
00:35:20
What was it like? Active right? Like made a ton of money played in the league forever.
00:35:33
That's a that's a home run for, like drafting a player, typically.
00:35:38
But like also, the Hawks also passed up Chris, Paul and Deron Williams, you know, so like it's all perspective.
00:35:44
Like he did good is some of the other players, and that's almost how I feel.
00:35:49
Like like I know Patrick Williams is gonna be the MBA for a long time.
00:35:52
I know he's gonna be a decent player at worst, but, like, is he gonna be the guy that you select fourth? That turns into like an All star level player? And that's a question I don't know.
00:36:04
I feel much more confident.
00:36:06
You know, Billy Donovan and Mo Cheeks are gonna be working with them rather than, uh, you know, Jim Boylan and crew But do you feel like it's a good group for him? Like the players around him? Yeah, I dio.
00:36:19
I mean, like I said, they need a playmaker, though, like it's all for not if they don't have it.
00:36:23
Like they just need somebody who can come in and just control the pace of the game.
00:36:29
It's like waiting for Chris Paul.
00:36:32
If it didn't take, like giving up a major asset, Um, sort of how the sons did because, like, Westbrook, that, too, is that, too.
00:36:40
I think it's too crazy because I feel like the Bulls air in a major market and, like they're gonna have cap space like they could address that.
00:36:49
And once the Westbrook thing happens, like it's a wrap like I'd rather like I'd rather just bring Derek goes back and give him the keys again than trade for.
00:36:58
Obviously, Westbrook is much more impactful than Derrick Rose.
00:37:01
But, like I Westbrook scares me.
00:37:03
I think Westbrook to the Knicks.
00:37:04
Like if I was the Knicks at this point, I wouldn't be like, terribly sad about it if they made like other moves and didn't and only had to give up like Randall and whatever.
00:37:14
Um, they're making moves.
00:37:16
Do you see the Gordon Hayward stuff today? I mean, there, I'm, like, look like I get it like, I don't know, I Isn't that what we're trying to dio? Like what? That's not a fair like, I'm just I'm putting them in a tough box.
00:37:38
Leon Rose is kind of putting on a clinic.
00:37:40
Two days.
00:37:41
He's made the Davis.
00:37:43
That was nice.
00:37:44
That was like, I don't know if you saw that trade, but getting to 2023.
00:37:47
But potentially that double draft is like that's that za good move.
00:37:51
That's a That's a great move.
00:37:53
And he's a good vet to I know for a fact as somebody who covers the great vet.
00:37:58
Great that.
00:37:59
But even last night they started with 27 38 traded for 23 in case that they needed to package it.
00:38:09
Thio, I guess. Get Obie.
00:38:11
Um, the Cavs said, No, we're not giving you the fifth pick for for 23 8.
00:38:17
And then they turned 23 into 25 33.
00:38:22
So they started out with two worst picks and traded for two better picks like he made moves last night.
00:38:29
Rose knows what he's doing.
00:38:30
Like the Knicks have a competent front office.
00:38:32
It seems like e want that, though I legitimately dio like I want that to be the case.
00:38:38
It's just it's more fun that way, like it really is.
00:38:41
I want there to be, you know, competitiveness between both Brooklyn are both New York teams.
00:38:46
Um, did you like top into them? Yeah, I like him next to Mitch.
00:38:51
Personally, I'm of the mind.
00:38:53
I think that's a pretty good fit.
00:38:55
Literally.
00:38:56
Yeah, he was like one of the guys that I was like, If if there's any buddy that is like going to get the most out of, like an OBE topping, it's Thibodeau.
00:39:06
Um, you know, he made Carlos Boozer like a significant contributor on the Bulls team and, like Boozer gets **** on a little bit too much by Bulls fans like he was still a very good offensive player despite his, you know, defensive limitations.
00:39:20
Um, but yeah, like you said, he's great with Mitch, you know, they're there.
00:39:25
Skill sets offensively work.
00:39:26
They both can, um, you know, play close to the basket, but top Incan, space it out He's a good passer, like, really underrated as a pastor, like he's a playmaker, um, at the power forward position.
00:39:38
You know, gonna be a really good scorer and defensively, like if you're a Knick fan and you buy into Mitchell Robinson's, uh, Mitchell Robinson's defensive potential like he's going to cover up for a lot of the mistakes that Obi would make.
00:39:49
So I love it.
00:39:51
You know, he's the perfect guy for New York, that it's not like another unknown player like I I would have.
00:39:59
It would have been hard for me to pass on him, even for Kyra Lewis, even if I thought Kyra Lewis was the better prospect.
00:40:05
Um, just because in that specific, you know, situation, it made a lot of sense.
00:40:13
The New York fan base is very specific, and it would have been like it could have been a nightmare media wise, which does affect players if like top and went on to win Rookie of the year and they passed on him.
00:40:25
And now the narrative is like we got this guy who's not contributing like Obi Topping is and oh my God, it always happens to us follow.
00:40:33
So I like to fit their.
00:40:35
You know, he's a guy that is not going to clash with R. J. Barrett.
00:40:39
Um, there, you know, it's a good it's a good, but they still they're still pieces away.
00:40:45
But I like Westbrook for them.
00:40:47
Honestly, I I honestly, I I think it makes a lot of sense.
00:40:52
You have a, you know, a guy that gives you a lot of like vertical spacing with Mitchell Robinson.
00:40:57
And I guess the way that young Adams did.
00:40:59
I don't know about this current iteration of Steven Adams, but you have that.
00:41:03
And then you have top and who I don't really know.
00:41:05
If Russ has played with anybody like I guess like young Ibaka kinda sort of.
00:41:10
It's not a great cop.
00:41:12
I wouldn't call it a great cop, but we'll throw it out there, at least on offense, on Ben, just, you know, other pieces.
00:41:17
I don't know what RJ is gonna turn into, but you know, I think it was good for him to try to learn to play off ball.
00:41:24
It's gonna be really integral for him to learn how to shoot, because I'll be honest, like I don't think he's a good enough prospect in other ways where if he just doesn't learn how to shoot, he's going to succeed.
00:41:33
I don't think he's.
00:41:34
I don't think the baseline of R.
00:41:35
J.
00:41:36
Barrett is good enough.
00:41:37
So regardless, he's gonna have to learn how to do that, to be something in the N B A.
00:41:40
Anyway.
00:41:41
So I don't hate it.
00:41:42
I like it.
00:41:43
It's interesting.
00:41:44
They're looking at Gordon Hayward like they could be.
00:41:46
They could be fun.
00:41:47
Honestly, they could be a fun team.
00:41:49
They really could be Gordon Hayward, not in his contract that he's currently like, could be a good value player.
00:41:55
If you could stay healthy, like if you could just stay healthy for you.
00:41:58
Look, you look good for like, really right Before the All Star break last year, it was he was right on the edge of making an All Star team again.
00:42:05
Maybe not that close, but he was in the mix.
00:42:07
You see, he's in conversation.
00:42:09
Sure, he's like the Spencer Genuity, like he was in that like they were probably in the same class of the conversation to make the all star team.
00:42:15
Speaking of Spencer, speaking of Dinwiddie, yeah, when he he got traded to the Bulls for Cameron Bairstow Classic and I was stoked.
00:42:26
I was like did what he could play.
00:42:27
This is great.
00:42:29
I think he played on the bull summer league team and looked really good.
00:42:33
And then we were done with them and he went to Brooklyn, where I got an up close and personal view of him on a regular basis, where I was like Now I'm reminded about this terrible decision that we made Teoh.
00:42:50
You know, I think the Bulls cut in like, yeah, you know, like they waved in.
00:42:53
Like what? It's really frustrating.
00:42:56
Yeah, he's Zell fun for you.
00:42:59
I'm not gonna give you any constantly.
00:43:01
That's a pretty tough one.
00:43:03
Hey, you never know.
00:43:04
I mean, who knows? He's a free agent and this next upcoming year.
00:43:07
So maybe it's a re union.
00:43:08
You wouldn't be bad for you guys.
00:43:10
Actually, I don't know he'd be good work, but, I mean, it would be an interesting fit the very least, um, let's get the other ones that you weren't wild about.
00:43:19
Fit wise.
00:43:20
If you have any a man, a lot of these fits like I really liked I don't like.
00:43:27
We talked about a little bit before we started recording.
00:43:30
Um, this is coming from the perspective that I had him Number two on my board.
00:43:35
I had him number one for a lot of the the year.
00:43:37
Like I've done a complete 1 80 on Anthony Edwards.
00:43:41
I'm out on him.
00:43:42
I owe all of the noise about him.
00:43:46
You bought it as it's really scared me.
00:43:49
I don't know why.
00:43:50
It's just ah, guy who doesn't love basketball because he'd rather be playing football on rapping.
00:43:55
Sounds bad.
00:43:56
He sounds 18.
00:43:58
That sounds sweet. That sounds like me.
00:44:00
It does sound sweet.
00:44:02
I wish I could rap.
00:44:03
I hope he's good, but he came at Dame and Dame is actually a Ah Hooper who could actually some tough look.
00:44:10
And he's like, That's like Dame is like, you know, like, way Have you not learned like, did you not learn what Paul George did? You ever did? If you come from, you best not miss right, like but But the other thing, like I don't wanna put put it squarely on Edwards.
00:44:25
The other thing, like Minnesota, also took in McDaniel's.
00:44:32
So like they took both of the guys in the draft who have really high upside.
00:44:36
But the question is like, Oh, they also just don't like to play basketball And they took both of them like that.
00:44:44
It's strange to May that you just wanted the guys that, like maybe, like I don't know, that scared me.
00:44:52
I don't love the Fit for for either scenario, but there's not like a lot of guys.
00:44:58
The only guy I really hated was a core.
00:45:01
Oh, I didn't get the Jaylin Smith thing.
00:45:02
And it's not even from like, Oh, they reached for him because, you know, typically, like, if you really believe in a guy like, yeah, I get the point that, like you can trade down and maybe get him later for something you know, less assets get whatever.
00:45:18
Um, if you like a guy, go get him.
00:45:21
But like, this guy in particular is a center.
00:45:24
And, like DeAndre, 18 is awesome.
00:45:26
So, like, how many minutes is he's gonna actually be able to see the floor like Who's he sharing the floor with? Like you're getting him? What has injury insurance? You're you're You're expecting him to get suspended for another 30 games for steroids or whatever.
00:45:38
Like I don't know.
00:45:39
It's just, um that was It's just weird from a fit perspective just because I don't see how many minutes he's gonna get playing behind.
00:45:47
Aiden should not sell.
00:45:49
They should have, like, the Bridges for self like that.
00:45:53
I would have nightmares about that.
00:45:55
I was there, I wanted them.
00:45:56
I wanted them to take either, um, Halliburton or Kyra Lewis.
00:46:02
You know, like I know that they know I understand that they got Chris Paul, but, like Chris, Paul's old.
00:46:08
So it's not like you can't have somebody learn under him who has, like, a lot of potential and, you know, fits well with your current roster on top of it.
00:46:17
So that's the direction I would have went.
00:46:20
But I'm not an M B a g M.
00:46:21
So you know E don't get to make those decisions.
00:46:25
Yeah, no, I mean, I think they could have just used I mean, it's their teams pretty built, right, like there that I don't think they need a ton else.
00:46:33
I like they obvious have lost you bre.
00:46:35
So I guess you would need maybe a wing, Although they were fine without it.
00:46:39
But maybe somebody that comes in and defends just a little bit, like just a little bit more.
00:46:44
So that's why you know of a cell I throughout their e o of Halliburton as well That makes a little bit of sense just in terms of you know, what you're getting from him on all over, really on the court.
00:46:53
But yeah, I thought that was a puzzling move.
00:46:56
Um, do you like the maxi to the Sixers? If you want my honest opinion, I hate it because I like him a lot.
00:47:07
I know we obviously talked about this a lot last time, but I just I don't know when I'm going to feel like they have enough shooting around Ben and Joel like I get at the Seth Curry thing is awesome.
00:47:21
And they're going to do a bunch of dribble handoff stuff with with Embiid and Seth Curry, and it's gonna they're gonna have their JJ Red**** there and Danny Green like maybe we have the year where Danny Green shoots.
00:47:32
Well, uh, that seems to be something that happens every two years, but maybe this is the year.
00:47:38
But outside of that, I still feel like they're a little.
00:47:41
They're just missing something.
00:47:43
And it's like, man like that.
00:47:45
Weakness for him is going to be so much on display If he's, you know, the backup point guard for Ben Simmons, who doesn't shoot it all.
00:47:52
I don't know.
00:47:53
I didn't love it, but I think culturally he's gonna be awesome for them.
00:47:56
Yeah, I mean, culturally defensively, just from a like best player available perspective.
00:48:02
Like E had had 10th on my board.
00:48:05
And you know that Daryl Morey is a guy who just he likes talent and he'll they'll figure out the fit later.
00:48:11
Um, granted, you know, with that said, he also loves his shooters.
00:48:15
Now the thing with Maxie is like he didn't shoot it great percentage wise at Kentucky, but like he was a guy that was a shooter coming out of high school, great free throw percentage to We have to add to be shot like I think 80% from the line and the other thing, like he doesn't need the ball in his hands.
00:48:34
He played so much off the ball of Kentucky and what's interesting is that he ran so much floppy so much stuff.
00:48:42
And, you know, maybe Philly puts in a little bit of the JJ Red**** sets.
00:48:48
And now you have guys like SEF and Naxi and Danny Green all running off those you know, d a chose withdrawal and be that, you know, you weren't really able to do last year, so that's so that's interesting.
00:49:00
And just from a talent perspective, um, talk about Danny Green for a second.
00:49:04
I hate talking down on because the Long Island guy, um, my buddy, my buddy does installs at his house for the best pie.
00:49:10
Um, but with that said, I just want to say we played his brother and his brother was in our league for the team I coach last year, and we smacked his team both both games.
00:49:23
So that's all I want to say on that Danny Green's brother.
00:49:27
There you go.
00:49:28
Uh, anybody else you're not thrilled about.
00:49:32
Did you like the true one? Um, I do like the a chew one.
00:49:37
Do you like because he's a hard worker? I'm like, Of course, Of course.
00:49:41
This, too is so like a Chua is like one of the guys that I think that if you actually were going to be like, Which guy is the Bam like? I almost think there's some sneaky like that kind of potential, and obviously going to Miami is gonna make that noise a little bit louder.
00:49:55
But he has.
00:49:56
He's really tools.
00:49:57
He he's really athletic.
00:49:59
He does a lot of things.
00:50:00
He just like, plays a little bit out of control.
00:50:04
Um, like I did it, Ah Spurs podcast last week and we were talking about him and I almost said that he was kind of like the Big Man version of like Lani Walker.
00:50:16
A little bit where it's like, really fun.
00:50:18
Doesn't really athletic is going to do like some things that make you go.
00:50:22
Wow, what just happened? But then he's also going to do other things that you like.
00:50:27
Wow, what just happened? You know, like he's gonna do both ways.
00:50:31
But I think just from a coaching perspective and like a pure talent perspective, like and the mixing those together, I think it's awesome like he's gonna He's definitely a guy that will fit the culture as a worker and versatile player and and learning from SPO getting to play, you know, with Ban and learning from him.
00:50:49
I think it's, you know, an excellent fit for him, even if, like, you know, he doesn't stretch the floor.
00:50:55
So, like, you know, like or he shouldn't At least he might think he stretches the floor at times he did, but like he doesn't yet eso like, uh, from a basketball perspective, I guess.
00:51:06
Like playing Bam and him together is weird, since we can't play two big men together anymore, for whatever reason, in the league.
00:51:12
But defensively they'll be able to guard, like switch everything.
00:51:16
Like, you know, he'll guard point guards, you know, on switches and stuff eventually.
00:51:20
So he's fun.
00:51:21
He's definitely fun there.
00:51:22
Cool.
00:51:23
That's it.
00:51:24
There you go.
00:51:25
I I didn't I admittedly have not Scout like E scouted like I scouted it.
00:51:29
No, actually, I've been watching some of his his high school high school tape this week to because he played with Cade Cunningham.
00:51:38
I've been like I've been starting my kids stuff.
00:51:41
Um, so he played with Cade.
00:51:44
So the one thing that, like you wanted that that I found interesting from that in regards to him is he was, like, still a little bit out of control in high school, too.
00:51:55
And so it's not like a speed of the game thing for him, where he just needs to let the speed of the blow himself down.
00:52:03
I think he just plays too fast, and it's not because everybody else is playing fast.
00:52:07
I think it's like I can think so.
00:52:08
He just needs to learn to slow down himself.
00:52:15
It's spoken, slow him down and try to figure out how to just make him play with himself.
00:52:22
Then I think, you know, you get like, a really good, really, really player out of them.
00:52:27
C And I feel like that's perfect because that, like, even looking at the way Tyler hero, play like Tyler hero Clearly defensively.
00:52:35
I mean, I'm not going to say he's this outstanding defender, but like the lack of mental errors that he made compared to like what you sort of, I thought it was astounding, almost like I just was like e don't know, like just everybody understands what they need to do, what's expected of them, when to rise up.
00:52:56
But the occasion, that's just they just have it figured out.
00:52:59
There's something there's something there.
00:53:01
Maybe this is just like I'm gonna do this every time the heat select anybody I'm like, Oh, well, clearly they're gonna be good, because the heat, but like it is, it's I don't know.
00:53:08
I could see that being a good fit for him then, Yeah, I thought they were gonna take Maxie.
00:53:13
I thought they were gonna take Maxie there, But But yeah, I think just from a positional standpoint, I guess they you know, they did have a need.
00:53:25
Like they were really searching for it between Olynyk and admires Leonard.
00:53:29
They didn't have that second big to throw out there in the finals.
00:53:32
Um, so I guess maybe they're they're gonna try to group.
00:53:40
We didn't talk a ton about Kyra Lewis because my internet to crash last time, which it was like, right when we got to this and I want to do it I want to do before we kinda get this thing close.
00:53:52
I don't know how long we've been on, but yeah, let's Let's let's talk about him a little bit, because I I admittedly I I don't feel like I have an awesome feel for him, and you were really high on him.
00:54:01
Yeah, probably higher than anybody on him.
00:54:05
I had 1/5 on my board on when I watched it.
00:54:08
I just said, like Let me go check the mocks, You know, like the first time I started watching him, however, long ago, let me check the mocks.
00:54:14
Let me see the big boards.
00:54:15
Where is this kid Rank? Because he's got to be high.
00:54:18
And it was like twenties, late twenties, maybe early thirties.
00:54:23
And I was like, We're wanting games like whoever is writing this like weird.
00:54:28
And it was like a lot of people.
00:54:29
I was like, We're watching different games because this kid's games made for the MBA.
00:54:33
Like, shoots it off like he's not just a speed guy.
00:54:36
You know R J.
00:54:37
Hampton is the guy that's blazing fast, but like you don't know what he's going to do with the rest of his tools.
00:54:42
Kyra Lewis was like, He's the guy that drives the car super fast but can control it.
00:54:48
You know, like he's he's going so much faster than everybody else.
00:54:51
But he's not going too fast for himself.
00:54:53
So he's able to make is for other people with this speed, he's able to knock down shots.
00:54:58
Um, like, 37% from three off the bounce, most of it off the bounce creating for himself, Not even, you know, in ISO situations, not always, even with a screen.
00:55:06
You know, eso you can't kind of, like, meet him in the paint like you can RJ Hampton, and be like, Well, he's fast.
00:55:12
But if you go under on screens, he's gonna knock down a shot and like, if you're chasing around screen, he's gonna beat you with this speed.
00:55:19
So offensively, I thought he was, like, perfect for the end, bounds for us, fast as he is.
00:55:26
So he's not like, you know, the deer and Fox type athlete where he has both, even though, if his speed might be comparable.
00:55:35
But I think that he has potential to finish her like he did show some craft around the rim.
00:55:40
Some touch around the rim with both hands, and he has, like, the euro steps and like, um, Speed.
00:55:47
And he has an elite MBA skill.
00:55:49
And not every prospect in this draft has an elite MBA skill, and he does.
00:55:53
And that's to go along with the fact that he's skilled in other areas, too.
00:55:58
And, you know, the kid could defend.
00:56:00
I mean, I think he was, like, first in out of the guards and block shots.
00:56:05
And he's doing a lot of it from, like, Standstill.
00:56:07
Like he's a help defender coming from the weak side, swatting shots at the rim like he's staying with guys, you know, playing one on one and just getting a hand up, timing it right? Like that's really his instincts.
00:56:19
Really, Really.
00:56:20
Um, good on that end, too.
00:56:22
So, like, I thought that he was just an easy lottery pick, like I tweeted like maybe a year ago, that, like, how is this guy? Not a lock to be a lottery pick now? I thought he should have been a top 10 pick.
00:56:34
I thought that, you know, he could have gone earlier.
00:56:36
There was a little bit of buzz that the Bulls were may be interested in them.
00:56:40
They worked him out, they had meetings and I was like, You know what? Like if they're going, I wouldn't have hated that, But, you know, he's he's a guy that is gonna play with a young team that could get up and down the court so fun with the ion, especially in transition.
00:57:02
Stuff like they're gonna be there will be fun that way.
00:57:06
They're gonna fun.
00:57:07
And, like even with Lonzo like Alonso is a guy who is good in transition, you know? And like Lonzo loves those baseball passes, Well, Kyra Lewis is gonna beat people on the court like he did that a lot.
00:57:17
He's good in the NBA to, so I think it's a really good fit.
00:57:21
Um, I you know, he and he's got he put on weight, you know, he's £10 heavier than Dan Fox when he was drafted, and part of that is because he had the extra time to prep with everything going on.
00:57:31
And, you know, the draft was at a weird time this year.
00:57:34
But, you know, that's the fax.
00:57:36
He's gonna be come in more physically developed, Um, then and he's still super young.
00:57:41
Even though he was a sop****re, he wasn't old enough to get drafted as a freshman.
00:57:45
He just couldn't.
00:57:46
He wasn't allowed, you know, like he wasn't allowed.
00:57:48
He, uh, he's a year younger than coal.
00:57:50
Anthony S O.
00:57:52
You know.
00:57:53
So even as as a sop****re you know he made a jump, is a player.
00:57:55
He improved his skills.
00:57:56
He played in a good conference like I'm all in on him.
00:57:59
I think that, you know, he's an obvious NBA player, especially in this draft, like and then that's the thing if when there aren't a lot of obvious guys, he seemed like an obvious guy to May.
00:58:09
Is he? What's he like? Is a playmaker like, Is he because they there once? I think they've missed like they have the connector with Alonso, but they don't have the guy like the I don't even know like the driving kick guy like, Is he gonna fill that role? Because I just dear.
00:58:26
Okay, so there you go.
00:58:27
There's a perfect fit.
00:58:28
He's exactly they need.
00:58:29
So the the knock on him is that he's, Ah, he's not the best decision maker Ah or what? But like, he made some really special passes.
00:58:44
He could make live dribble glasses with both hands.
00:58:46
He made my favorite ass of the entire year like coming breaking guy down with no screen on the left wing.
00:58:54
This is against North Carolina getting into the paint, collapsing the defense, and then whipping a one handed past with his left hand through multiple defenders to the weak side wing, like a laser dime right into the shooter's hands like unbelievable pat like he's capable off some really special passes.
00:59:13
He's gonna look the MBA transition for any point guard is gonna take time.
00:59:17
So like his decision making might look iffy.
00:59:20
But I think that even a guy like Tyree's Halliburton's decision making might look if he at times as a rookie, it's just what is what it is.
00:59:27
And especially this year, where the season is gonna be weird.
00:59:29
Like some of these rookies, they're like, 11 days.
00:59:33
Basically, they're not.
00:59:35
They're going to struggle, man.
00:59:36
Like not only that, Like, the schedule is gonna be weird this year, right? Like that's the thing that that we heard.
00:59:41
Like, there's gonna be regional games.
00:59:43
There's gonna be a lot of back to backs and, like under normal cir***stances, you know, rookies might not be on the scouting report, but if you go off in that first game, you gotta back to back Now it's almost playoff.
00:59:55
Like where the team is gonna be.
00:59:56
Hey, maybe we shouldn't let you know.
00:59:58
Desmond Bain get four open threes to, you know, like that's gonna happen.
01:00:02
And rookies, we're gonna have weird, wonky games where they're like, great one night and and not great the next, which is typical of a rookie anyway.
01:00:10
But even more so this year.
01:00:12
So but, um, yeah, I love Carl Lewis game and and I think as he continues to grow as a decision maker, and obviously he's going to play with a good decision maker in Lonzo.
01:00:22
He's not gonna be the guy he's not counted on to be the guy.
01:00:26
He's just gonna be a guy who could push the pace and get all of these guys running.
01:00:30
So I love it.
01:00:31
I absolutely love it.
01:00:32
Yeah, I like that, too.
01:00:33
And I just like I mean, it's I don't know.
01:00:36
I think he the more you talk about on the more it's weird.
01:00:39
Like we talk about Lemelle.
01:00:40
Oh, is somebody that's like you kind of want him to be on a baseline team where there's like no, like, it's just like it's his team.
01:00:46
I actually it almost sounds better that Kyra's on a team where there's other pieces around him.
01:00:51
He's not on like a team that's trying to compete right away.
01:00:53
But it is like it seems like it's the right situation for him.
01:00:56
Yeah, it's a good situation.
01:00:57
I you know, I think I would, uh like, I don't think it's my favorite situation before him.
01:01:03
But it is when you think I also didn't think about him in that spot because I thought he'd go before that.
01:01:10
Um, but it's It's a fun situation for sure, And I think that, you know, he's gonna I think that city is gonna love him and there that's gonna be It's just another guy to add to a really fun league past team.
01:01:22
Yes, exactly.
01:01:23
And I think, like, yeah, I mean, it's just it's it's gonna be It'll be easy for him to like, sort of play through these things when he's got two guys that are just gonna make things.
01:01:32
I'll, you know, just take things off this plate.
01:01:34
Um, let's see Achillion Hayes as the other one.
01:01:38
I wanted to touch on thes two.
01:01:41
I think this was actually might have said this last time is like before we kind of concluded abruptly, uh, was that Killian Hayes and and Carl Lewis.
01:01:50
So Killian Haze is an interesting one.
01:01:51
Another one. I kind of liked that he's got his own team.
01:01:54
Yeah, you know, killing is a weird.
01:01:58
He's a weird player because some people love him so much.
01:02:01
You know, I think it started when Kevin O.
01:02:04
Connor, from the ringer had him number one on his board.
01:02:07
And it's totally like, Who is this guy? And then, you know, maybe it's just because I'm although I'm not by any stretch of the imagination and Knicks fan, I am a New Yorker.
01:02:17
All my friends are Knicks fans, and I guess I follow a lot of people on next Twitter.
01:02:22
Like I've been very involved in my cat we mentioned earlier.
01:02:26
Uh, I'm very involved in Nick's Twitter and like Nick's Twitter, Freaking loves Killing and Hes.
01:02:32
But like when I was getting intel from, you know, sources say that, you know, it was all like, Hey, we teams don't love killing Hayes as much as the Internet does like and watched his games.
01:02:44
And when I was watching him, it was after Kevin O Connor.
01:02:53
Let me see what hypes about and I watched, and I was like Oh, I don't get it like I'm missing something because he's a guy that, like just he looks great in highlight tapes because he has, like, this incredibly special, um, you know, step back ability from, you know, a young kid.
01:03:11
He's lefty.
01:03:12
He looks like D Angelo Russell.
01:03:13
He looks like Harden.
01:03:14
He's doing the sidesteps, all of this stuff, great footwork, blah, blah, blah.
01:03:17
But then you watch him and you're like, Oh, but sometimes his footwork is not special, like sometimes it's really sloppy.
01:03:22
And then you look at him.
01:03:24
You're like, Oh, he just like, bricked that wide open catch and shoot three and then put his head down and before he jogged back on defense.
01:03:33
So maybe he's not like like his body language isn't always great.
01:03:38
And then you're like, Oh, he's 65 and like I looked at his numbers on a spreadsheet, and he's 58% of the rim, you know? What's that? Sure, but then you're like, Oh, but then I watched four games against athleticism and length, and he's getting his **** sent into the stands like pretty frequently and his shot altered around the hoop.
01:04:06
Like unless he's getting to his floater a little midrange shot.
01:04:10
He has trouble finishing, and I don't think he literally has ever dribbled with his right hand before.
01:04:15
Um, so I was like, I don't get it.
01:04:18
But with that said like, he does have the positive good out of the pick and roll, but not as good as everybody says, because a lot of it was not.
01:04:28
This is the set we're running, we're running a wheel.
01:04:30
So when I hit the weak side corner, that's like the first or second option in the set we're running.
01:04:37
It's not like I have this special vision.
01:04:39
See this guy out of the corner of my eye like the mellow does.
01:04:42
I'm improvising like it's all based out of like this set was made to go there.
01:04:51
Context.
01:04:52
Watching the games and pattern recognition, you start going all right.
01:04:55
It's not a special as it looks on its surface and a highlight tape.
01:05:00
But with that said, I'm not trying to say he's a bad prospect.
01:05:02
I had him, I think, seventh on my big board because you're really good defender, really good team defender, Good size strong does have the shot making ability Dubai it long term, especially as he continues to work.
01:05:16
He does have a good floater game, this pattern a little bit, but like I'm just saying, it was a little over those passes.
01:05:26
Um, but you know the concerns like he's gonna have to shore up those issues otherwise and be in no man's land.
01:05:35
Yeah, you know, well, he's also not, like, super physically gifted like That's the So it's like So you better be really like you said they D Angelo Russell, first of D'Angelo.
01:05:45
Russell did not pan out for four years, and honestly, it looked like a sunk cause, and it start.
01:05:53
Even last year, it started out.
01:05:55
He comes out the first month and, you know, it's just like E.
01:05:58
Guess this is, I don't know.
01:05:59
It's just what his team now like, what, what's going on here like, and it just clicks for him and it took a while.
01:06:05
I think a lot of it, just like he's not that physically gifted.
01:06:08
And he it was a culpability thing, a rhythm thing.
01:06:10
He's finding, you know, the windows that he's finding able, you know, just again pattern recognition.
01:06:15
I think that's just started to come for him and he started, Understand? Okay, you know, this guy's gonna be open.
01:06:20
And if I move this way or go, you know, basically reject the screen and go that direction.
01:06:26
So I mean, I I don't know.
01:06:28
I do kind of worry about that with Killian hazes like, Man, it's really tough to be a point guard in this league and not be super physically gifted, like you better be really special in a lot of other ways.
01:06:39
And like if the shooting isn't there right now because the Andhra muscles a shooter, it's like it's like if that's not there right now and you're not playing in a great league, either.
01:06:48
By the way, not a great league kill.
01:06:51
Yeah, no, it's not.
01:06:53
I don't know, feels it.
01:06:54
Z man, like it is risky, feels really risky, like his floor is a lot lower than I think people realize, and that's that.
01:07:03
I think people thought he was just really safe and he's he's not a safe is people think as like a surefire because the his position is loaded, it is just loaded in the league.
01:07:13
Um, and the other thing, like I remember.
01:07:15
I tweeted out one time like everyone says Harden.
01:07:18
Everyone says D'Angelo Russell, But, like, let's try to see him be Goran Dragic.
01:07:23
Now some people would argue that Dragic is probably is better than D'Angelo.
01:07:27
Russell.
01:07:28
You know, when it comes to like, who would you rather have on a playoff team? Um, but I think, you know, from a talent perspective, I think everybody would agree that, like Russell's probably the better prospect If you were to grade them out, just that baseline coming into the MBA, Um, and one of, you know, scout that I talk with Sometimes he texted me right away, like he doesn't have that get the quarterback who was like out there talking nonstop and and leading and organizing and and, uh, and firing your team up like you want that.
01:08:30
Like, I'm kind of surprised he wasn't the guy that slipped.
01:08:33
Well, there was a rumor there were.
01:08:36
There were rules, but there was also like he's been working out in Detroit with Will Barnum, and it was like, kind of assumed that like he spot for him.
01:08:46
So I wasn't shocked that he went where he went, but I kind of.
01:08:51
I really had a feeling that he wasn't going like he's gonna be the guy like that Chicago takes it for I was like I don't know if they are, I don't know.
01:09:02
So I'm not shocked that he went at seven.
01:09:04
I think it's a good spot.
01:09:05
Like I said, I haven't seventh on my board, You know, that's not That's not like to too far down.
01:09:12
Um, but, yeah, there's some quite Davis as people think he is.
01:09:19
That's interesting.
01:09:20
That that I mean, do you think would have been better for him to be a A spot where he's not the only guy there? Because it's like him Bay and I don't know, That's the Chris went back.
01:09:29
I have no clue, Christian would said, like agency starts tomorrow.
01:09:34
E think he tweeted something like start at midnight.
01:09:37
I was like, No, it doesn't, it doesn't sort of.
01:09:39
I'm like I don't know if you should be saying that information it says six tomorrow, so I don't know what's going on here.
01:09:46
It's got that like, I think would have been really good for him because he doesn't like the Alfa and he has a lot of guys he could create for it would have, like, really fit his skill set.
01:10:11
But then also, he could play off Devin Booker too.
01:10:14
And like Let Dev cook for for a little bit like Troy just feels weird, like again, like they're a team. I mean, new management.
01:10:21
I didn't love them taking, um, Isaiah Stewart as early as they did.
01:10:27
Like like like people were like, Oh, maybe New York will take him a 27 initially, you know, making my 16th or 17th pick whatever it was staying showed some flashes.
01:11:18
Whatever.
01:11:19
I mean, I don't know the young guys with Derrick, Rose and Blake.
01:11:23
I'm sure they're probably gonna try trade Derrick for some kind of asset.
01:11:26
Um, Blake sure could get it moved if a team got desperate enough, they wanted to throw an asset in here there.
01:11:34
But it's just a weird team.
01:11:35
I don't It's not the worst spot in the world because it's not like he really has a ton of competition at his position.
01:11:41
And, you know, if they keep Derrick Rose, I guess he's not worst guy in the world to learn how to play from, you know, former M v p, uh, guy who battled back from all the injuries and stuff like good story players.
01:11:52
You know, young guys look up to him, but not the worst.
01:11:57
But it's also not like my favorite spot for him.
01:12:00
It's interesting.
01:12:01
There's not gonna be a lot of pressure.
01:12:02
I think now that he went to Detroit, it's an easy spot.
01:12:06
For all of, like, the people who are all in on him to be like, Well, he went to Detroit.
01:12:10
So, like he didn't get a fair shake.
01:12:12
And kind of like, you know, just kind of slide into the background like he never was this popular on draft Twitter.
01:12:19
As as he actually Waas.
01:12:22
Well, I guess I guess drafted Or want to figure out what we're really what they're really sinking their teeth into.
01:12:28
Let me leave you this.
01:12:29
Why did Denny What did he slip, man? I don't know.
01:12:34
I really don't.
01:12:35
I don't even like him that much.
01:12:36
I personally, but, uh I guess for those same reason, I guess you know a lot of the team.
01:12:44
Yeah, I guess they had those concerns.
01:12:46
Maybe they had the concerns of his shooting, you know, that the same things that most people don't.
01:12:51
You know, I personally and I didn't really have those concerns.
01:12:54
I did have the same similar concerns, um, to Killian, where, like, Denny doesn't like dribbling with his left hand all that often.
01:13:00
And that's concerning to me.
01:13:02
Um, but I don't Washington's, like, not a terrible fit for him.
01:13:07
Uh, yeah.
01:13:08
I like him next to be you feel like that simplifies things a lot and John want to depending on, like he honestly, like he can defend.
01:13:15
Like I know people don't think he can, but he's a smart help defender.
01:13:19
He's in the right spots.
01:13:20
He'll he'll get locks here and there.
01:13:22
Um, like, he won't be a defensive player of the year candidate like because he can't lock you down one on one.
01:13:27
But he's not gonna get cooked necessarily.
01:13:29
And he's used to playing.
01:13:30
He's used to playing with men.
01:13:33
Pros got a ton of experience.
01:13:35
Um, but yeah, that's definitely a situation that I went can't believe that, you know, a team like Cleveland like would have been a way better fit in Cleveland than a coral where, you know, he could have came in played 23 played some backup. Four.
01:13:52
Been a better playmaker than Garland.
01:13:54
And ***ed in like that would have been a good spot for him.
01:13:57
You know, a even kind of Atlanta would have been an interesting spot because he could play make and let Trey playoff ball a little bit.
01:14:04
So, uh, yeah, it's it's weird that he slipped.
01:14:09
I mean, I don't like New York.
01:14:11
I think again with O.
01:14:12
B.
01:14:13
I think that was always the pick, even regardless of who was going to be there.
01:14:16
Unless, like, you know, one of the top three guys really fell.
01:14:20
But yeah, he should.
01:14:21
I think he should have gone, you know, much earlier than he did, even with kind of the concerns.
01:14:26
Just because the draft is This was a weird draft and there was no standouts, and that's why Patrick Williams jumped up.
01:14:33
And it's just the idea of of what? He could be kind of transfixed.
01:14:36
Everybody I like Atlanta for.
01:14:40
For Denny, that makes sense.
01:14:41
It makes a lot of sense.
01:14:42
I don't know about bringing in another center e don't know about that one.
01:14:46
I mean, I think that probably didn't do that perfectly adequate.
01:15:01
He's number 7/17 best center in the league like he's not a guy.
01:15:08
You're worried that he's on the court, but he's also not a guy that you're like. Man.
01:15:12
Can't wait to go watch Klink teleplay tonight.
01:15:14
Yeah, that's not, but he's a guy like I'm sure they could get some kind of value for like, there's there's gotta be a team that, like could use kind of the rim running, you know, kind of center there.
01:15:27
That's available if he gets a little pricey, Um ah, come with the like, you know, he look, they need defenders like John Collins is not.
01:15:37
He's not the the guy offenders, and they'll get better as they get more experience in the league.
01:16:00
So if you you know, if your surrounding those guys or your surrounding trade with those guys like I get the strategy and I get the Congo stuff, Congo is one of the safest players in the draft high floor.
01:16:12
Um, not gonna ceiling is that you know, other people were, but again, it's not like a terrible value, like that's what you're getting out of this draft.
01:16:22
There's, you know, there's no **** Marantz There's no Zion, just one of those drafts. If you could get solid.
01:16:30
And maybe that's what Atlanta needs.
01:16:32
They just need solid like, Hey, we can't with on this pic We took way, went away from the Luca out camera.
01:16:41
Fish showed some signs, but it's not like he's gonna be the tipping point of that trade.
01:16:48
Like maybe we just need to get the guy who's gonna kind of be sell it and good for us and we can take a shot even though, you know we're sixth in the lottery, you know, this year well, they're also fighting for a playoff spot.
01:17:00
Eso I mean, just having somebody that kind of, you know, what you're gonna get, I think is I guess that makes more sense when you explain it out.
01:17:10
It's just it's an interesting, like a positional overlap.
01:17:13
That just means they kind of need to get the cappella thing done or they need thio.
01:17:17
I mean, they got rid of what's Isn't it the center? I'm definitely yes, dead than today.
01:17:22
Thank you.
01:17:23
It's been a long E, but so that killer is up a little bit, but yeah, I mean, I don't know I hope the best friend.
01:17:31
Because he's another guy. Great story.
01:17:33
You know, You didn't have the volume on, but those little moments those I know, his story e forgot.
01:17:40
Great.
01:17:43
I want to say really interesting profile on him earlier in the year that I read and I was like, Great job.
01:17:50
Pre job.
01:17:51
Good.
01:17:52
Really rooting for him the Yeah, it's so weird seeing the photos.
01:18:00
I'm like, Wow, I wish, you know, I need the little things.
01:18:03
We saw Chino Hills and I just It's so weird that somebody was in the background That just went Number six in the draft.
01:18:09
Yeah, super weird.
01:18:12
It's super weird, but, I mean, it's it's funny how life works like that.
01:18:15
Um, I wanna let's plug away anything you got coming out resting.
01:18:19
Uh oh, man, There's no time to rest.
01:18:22
The college season starts next week.
01:18:24
The MBA seasons e mean free agency is tomorrow.
01:18:27
E started soon.
01:18:31
There's no time to rest.
01:18:32
Um, you could check out my YouTube channel if you want to check out any of these prospects.
01:18:38
If your team drafted a player and you don't know that much about him, I probably did a pretty in depth scouting breakdown on them.
01:18:45
So, uh, that's hard Would herald on, uh, YouTube.
01:18:49
You could follow me magazine that I released, uh, about I don't know, week two weeks ago, Something like that.
01:19:04
The physical copies sold out, Um, so you could get the pdf version.
01:19:10
It's a dollar, which it's, like, 44 pages. Something like that.
01:19:14
Um, it's got player write ups articles for some from some really great writers.
01:19:19
Um, yourself included, uh, you know, interviews.
01:19:23
Um, just some other really fun stuff.
01:19:26
And I tried.
01:19:27
I tried, um, like a pay for you want pay what you want thing.
01:19:32
And they were like, No, it has to be like a dollar, or that's the cheapest ticket big on the site that I'm using. I'm using gum road.
01:19:38
And like eso, I try to make it free.
01:19:40
I couldn't So dollars achieve.
01:19:41
It's like I could make it.
01:19:42
So it's a dollar, but you get an instant download of the pdf, Um, and that's kind of like, you know, the latest stuff I've been working on and the magazine is gonna continue.
01:19:53
We're really I think that's probably the will be the move, but Yeah, it's really fun.
01:20:02
I did artwork for it, and it's, like, really fun and vibrant and makes you feel like Nickelodeon meets.
01:20:10
Saved by the bell meets like Thrasher magazine meets NBA inside stuff like Total Like Throwback Nineties five Time.
01:20:20
So it zone? Yeah.
01:20:21
I mean, look like I got I was lucky to blessed with two of the two little pieces of art that you together in, what, two minutes today? He said e mean magazines, magazines, magazines got, like time and work into it. So that's what I'm saying.
01:20:36
So this is what you're getting right here.
01:20:37
If you're listening to this, you're not gonna understand if you're watching this.
01:20:40
This is This is a slight work for him.
01:20:43
Things better than anything I've ever done in my life? Graphically s.
01:20:47
Oh, yeah.
01:20:48
I mean, you obviously huge fan of your work.
01:20:51
That's the stuff you do scouting wise. It's great.
01:20:53
A great basketball minds just Yeah, I mean, keep doing what you're doing, and it's just a It's a pleasure to, you know, I've told you a million times how much I love your writing.
01:21:08
I can't wait to read it.
01:21:10
Uh, you know, in the context of this season, which is just turn into total chaos from the Nets perspective and like, ah, beautiful way.
01:21:17
Who knows what is going to happen from here with all of the hardened rumors and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I really like the move they need in the draft.
01:21:26
We didn't even talk their pick and got Landry Shammond, which I, um, which I look.
01:21:33
I thought he was missing his last year. He's great.
01:21:36
He's a guy toe playoff of Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving.
01:21:40
You know, run off screens do a lot of that stuff.
01:21:42
I think that's a really good uh, and Steve Nash is a guy who knows how to use shooters.
01:21:47
You know, he loved his shooters, but his playing days, sure he's gonna be able to put him in position to succeed.
01:21:53
I thought it was was a great move, getting a guy who's still on a cheap, great move by the Nets s Oh, yeah, I'm excited, Thio, to see how you handle the season.
01:22:27
I'm sure you're going to have a tremendous amount of work.
01:22:30
Yeah, no, it'll be a fun year.
01:22:35
I'm excited for it.
01:22:36
I'm excited for free agency will be good.
01:22:38
I'm we're hitting that point a week.
01:22:40
I'm like, man, we got two more days of this. Look.
01:22:43
Hello? So I mean, it'll be fun.
01:22:45
But I appreciate that.
01:22:47
Yeah, I'm excited.
01:22:48
I'm sure we'll be connected again.
01:22:49
Corey, my friend, Thank you for coming.
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Recapping the 2020 NBA Draft w/ Corey Tulaba AKA Hardwood Herald

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Matt Brooks @MattBrooks
Basketball & More Podcast

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I put that pot on the stove.
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Now these see these only product? That's so fans of Berlin.
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Go and I control E ****! A lot of new hose.
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Penthouse on top of the lows.
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Masaki, My robe! What's in my pocket? And now I can't fold.
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Make sure my gelato was robe.
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All right, there we are.
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Much better transition this time.
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Welcome, everybody back to basketball and more with Matt Brooks.
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This is, of course, a SportsCastr official VOD cast.
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I am joined by hardwood.
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Harold, I'm gonna do it again.
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How you doing today? Did I am? Uh I'm having a great day.
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The draft is over.
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Um, which means that all of the work I've been doing for the last 10 years on this one specific draft class I could finally move past.
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I've been watching Cade Cunningham.
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Uh, film.
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So, you know, it's been a great day.
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Uh, tired.
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I think I screamed for I don't know, 100 hours is are there 100 hours in the day? Yesterday? You're doing a stream over like I don't even know like two or three hours is brutal.
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Like I I did a couple of those when when we were like Pete quarantine.
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Um and like, after two hours, you're just like I need a sub like I need I need something right now.
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I need somebody that looks like me to come in because i e I did ah, predraft stream on my channel.
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And then I hopped onto Knicks fan TV and for the draft, and we did, like, a half hour before the draft started.
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And then we did all the way until the second round was over.
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So it was almost like, five hours.
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I think on there like I literally one point I was like, Hey, man, like I just have to go to the bathroom like you're gonna have a pilot.
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It was It was so long. It was crazy.
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I also chose a really horrible, uh, positioning where I didn't have any back support.
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So by the end of it, I literally was like, I just want someone to put me out of my misery.
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I feel horrible.
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I'm old Now.
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I get that.
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I looked better in the camera doing the hunched over thing, but I had no back.
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It was terrible.
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it's crucial I have this giant pillow because I'm gonna need it.
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Adult man, that streams.
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Now, that's that's what My life starting todo eso, That's what That's what I'm doing with my life.
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Uh, fun draft a cool draft.
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I wish I had watched.
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Like, really, I'm looking just at your at the board right now, which, by the way, thank you again for the help on the graphics.
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If you're listening to this podcast, go check out the visual even just for two seconds.
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Just go ahead and do it.
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I'll link this in here, Uh, in the description of this podcast, Um, it's sweet.
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And you did a great job with this as always.
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But, um, you know, like like once it hit, like pick 21.
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Ah, guy, I really started doing writing stuff, so just it was an interesting draft, like there was a couple of pics that I was really excited about.
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I mean, number 30 was one that I was like, Okay, Like, has been trained in Memphis.
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That za niece team right there, like certainly like that is n b a nerd porn right there.
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But no, I mean, it definitely was like it's interesting the way it went, sort of the way things played out.
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So really, to set this off on one just for because I think there's a lot of cases to be made like this.
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Like I really like where everybody went and I don't always feel that way.
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But like you really look at the first, however many pigs you go 12, 13, maybe even 14.
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Um, it's just a nice draft like that so far.
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Who are the three that you're the most excited for for where they landed or who they are? Is prospects.
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Um, well, let's let's start with three.
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That we're happy about where they landed.
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Well, I'm very happy that James Wiseman ended up in Golden State.
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I'm distraught about Clay.
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I love Clay so much that new bomber.
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It's such a bummer because I thought that Clay spacing out the corner and Steph and James Wiseman running ah, high screen and the gravity that they create in both directions and not being able to help off clay Thio cheat down and having to rely on just weak side guys.
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And then you got the rest of Golden State's guys being able to do.
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Interesting. Thanks.
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I thought that was gonna be so much fun.
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But, you know, things happen.
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Um, like, uh, you know, the drip King Kelly uber going there.
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That's exciting.
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But I'm really happy that he went there because I think that, you know, in the wrong hands, Uh, you know, he could have been a position where he wasn't able toe, you know, play to his strengths early on, and I think he's gonna get that opportunity.
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So I'm really, really happy about that.
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Are you curious about what they dio? I'm fascinated.
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Like, does he play next to Draymond? Is that work? Is that a weird e? Just super fascinating about that.
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It's gonna be weird.
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Uh, I I was thinking about dream on earlier today, you know, because when they first did the death line up and it was so revolutionary, and you look a dream on, you're like, Oh, that's the future of the five.
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But like now, Draymond a little older and like his shot has completely abandoned him.
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And he obviously is still a brilliant defender leader past her out of the short roll playmaker.
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All of those things, like he still has things that he could do, but like it almost feels like the game has evolved so quickly that, like Draymond skill set is no longer special.
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Well, he also like, depreciated in areas where it's like you.
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Really? You really needed him to hit threes like you really needed that on you got away with it because he brought Katie in.
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But now you're at a point where it's like, Okay, like what? What? How is this gonna work now? Like, who's the second best shooter Next to stuff Now, Uh, I guess.
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Is it Keller you bright? It probably is right.
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I mean, Andrew Wiggins, when he's hot, when he's feeling it s Oh, that's my only worry is I'm looking at that.
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I'm like, Oh, I don't know what the shoot, but it doesn't I don't think it matters, really.
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I mean, look like I don't know where they're gonna finish.
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I don't No, if I have them is a playoff team, which feels weird, but it's like, you know, I kind of like Portland better than them.
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I like Dallas better than for sure.
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Dallas just improved again with that Josh Richardson trade, which is awesome.
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and for for two reasons.
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I mean, we could even get into it right now.
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Tyrell Terry going to Dallas who Love it.
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Love it.
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Love it, man.
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Um, I mean, Tyrell, I I think I had him, like, 13th on my big board.
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Uh, you know, especially like and then I honestly, I was like, I probably have flirted with putting him higher, like I did be my big board.
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Um, before he had, like, come out with the he got taller, and he's drunk, and he's dunking between the between his legs and the hang time.
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Like all before that, I did my big board, and I really didn't alter it too much because, um, I was doing it for the magazine.
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And I had all the designs, and I was like, I'm not redoing the designs.
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It just takes too long.
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So I was like, I'm just sticking it wherever they go there, if that's fine.
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Like, um, but I love it is fitting.
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I mean, obviously, like, right away, you know, he fills the Seth Curry.
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Hold that, You know, they traded to Philly, which I love for Phileas.
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Well, he could step in and do that and like, but one questionable thing about him, you know, his handle was a little bit loose in college.
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Like that was kind of the thing that stopped the like.
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Is this Steph Curry? It's his handle.
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Just wasn't what steps ever waas.
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So like his creation, because creation ability just wasn't the same, you know, even though he could get his shot, it's not like his handle was weak by any means.
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It just wasn't like, Oh, this guy could be an elite guard.
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Um, but now he's playing next to Luca.
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So, like now he could just be a secondary ball handler.
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He can run off screens.
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He does all of these, like, really nifty things when he's running off, you know, different actions off ball.
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So it's like, absolutely perfect for him.
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And, um, I mean, it Z Rick Carlisle developing him teaching in the game.
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He's smart, It's perfect.
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You couldn't drop anyway right away.
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I think he I mean, yeah, I think he should.
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I don't know if he will, but he should, because Seth Curry was so crucial for them in so many spots.
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I mean, you have him, like, you know, just doing? Hey was a mercenary against the Clippers, and it's just because, you know, that's a guy that Rick Carlisle is just gonna He's gonna figure out ways to use him.
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So it's like, that's a great spot for him.
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It really is.
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And like, Hey, actually would probably be my number one for anybody.
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It feels weird, not even on this board right here.
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And I got some like that has got to be the best spot for him for anybody that I can think of on this board.
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Really, Period, I just I don't know, Feels like he's gonna be a success.
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I don't know how it's to put it.
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Yeah, I mean, as far as like, just absolute, like best case scenario like him.
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I actually think that right? You know, the picked before him.
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I think Desmond Bain and Memphis is the perfect situation, exactly what they needed, exactly what they needed.
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So, like, I wasn't nearly as like, hi on Desmond Bain as the rest of draft Twitter.
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You know who they overreact to? These guys that are like, all right, they're all, like, completely mediocre to good, but they're like, limited unless they're in the perfect situation and I felt the same way almost about like Brandon Clarke last year where if you would have listened to what I was saying before the draft with Brandon and Clark, I was like, I like Brendon Clarke.
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He's going to be good but he's not going to be a great as draft Twitter is saying.
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And then if you go and read my draft grades, I'm singing a completely different tune because he ended up in Memphis with John Moran, which is the absolute perfect scenario.
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It's just a guy throwing lobs and with Desmond Bain.
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Now it's the same thing because now doesn't they never has to dribble the ball.
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He never, never has to dribble the ball.
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One time he could just run off screens and have all of these wide open shots that are gonna be created from all of the spacing and the fact that jock and get to the hoop whenever he wants.
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So that was perfect.
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And then the other thing like, I don't think there was um or Spurs Ian player over the last few years in Devon vessel, and the thing is, if you if you were worried about Devon vessel in any capacity.
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It was due to that weird shooting video, right? And when I was really happened, by the way, I mean, I don't know why else he slip.
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I don't know what else would have made him slip.
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I I would not be shocked if teams overthought it, and that was what it waas.
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But that was that was a concern.
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Before that, I highlighted it to my breakdown video.
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Right.
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Like, um, but the Spurs have the best shooting coach like of all time and ship England.
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So if anybody is going to make that shot into its peak version of what it is, it's chip England and Spurs.
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So, like, that was like when that happened, I was like, That's the best.
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I'm so happy because I love watching that dude.
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And that dude playing defense is just like, that's the dream.
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Like from the wing, like you love you love watching it.
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So he was another guy.
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Um, but yeah, there was a lot of good fit.
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I mean, I I agree, Like even like take r J Hampton to the Nuggets.
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I don't love RJ Hampton, but that's a great They have been great with development.
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And you know what? Life is really easy.
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Life's really easy next to Yokich.
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Like that guy is just gonna just cut just cut back door and do things and take three dunks, and we're gonna give you easy.
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Looks like I suddenly I'm kind of looking at him like, you know, Is this their next whatever Malik Beasley right here like, is this what this is gonna turn into? I don't know, Like I'm just I was just really satisfied with, like, a lot of where these guys with another good one is is Halliburton who I'm if beyond I think you know, I think there's certain things that he's really, really great and certain things I don't love about him but him and Fox is fun.
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That's a fun backward.
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That maybe is one of the most fun.
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You know, young back courts in the league see that I'm really happy that he went to a situation where he's playing off of the point guard.
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Because, like you, I was if he on him too.
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I think I had him like 18th on my board, and that was with the Corvette that I knew he was going to be better then a bunch of the prospect that I had ahead of him.
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But the reason I had him that low is because I thought he was going to go higher than he should have and that the expectations were that he was gonna be your primary playmaker, savior point guard if you listen to how some of these guys talked about him, you know? And they talked about him that way for a reason as far as his personality and his leadership ability and whatnot, but like your leadership ability doesn't help you dribble the ball, you know, and at the end of the day, like you could be a great leader, But you need to be able to break people down off the balance if you're gonna be a point guard.
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And that was my concern.
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So that's why I had him so low.
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If I would have known he was going to go, you know, play off of a deer and fox where now he could He'll still be able to handle the ball.
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He'll still be able to, you know, run, pick and roll.
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But now he's gonna be able Thio sit in and space the floor on the wing of the corner for while Darin Fox getting to the rim, breaking out in transition.
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I mean, it's a really fun pairing, and it's like a really fun spot.
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And that's why I, like everyone, was like, Oh, he'd be great in Golden State.
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He'd be great in Atlanta.
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Well, you know Sacramento.
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Well, not the ideal situation for most prospects.
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Toe head Thio.
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Playing with the Aaron Fox like that's a That is a very good situation.
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And you know it's insurance because who knows what happens with Buddy healed, it doesn't seem like he wants it.
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Or Bogdanovich e.
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You know Bogdanovich is going into restricted free agency, so I guess that if the King's want to keep them, they will write like, um, who knows what's happening with that whole Milwaukee situation? I haven't looked into it enough.
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I don't want it.
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It's above my pay grade right now before I've done it.
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A research.
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But yeah, that's that is a fun fit, too.
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I'm happy he went there, Um, because you know, that's ah, that's a guy who plays the right way, and it is like a culture center.
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So if there's any, if there's any team that actually needs, like a culture center like it's definitely the King's Yes, yes, no, I agree.
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And I think like just the descriptions of his leadership, I think is just, I don't know.
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I just think they could desperately use that.
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I'm not saying he's gonna be like leading the huddle right away or anything like that.
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That's a little unrealistic, but just I don't know.
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They need something to sort of weather the storm, and I don't know if that's a big expectation for him to come in.
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But if he can even just do that through his play, it doesn't even need to be explicitly something done.
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But just to somebody who's, you know, getting everybody involved in doing little things and just making because they're just disconnected right now, there's too many guys.
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They don't all play together.
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Well, you know, it's like, you know, to shooting guards that do the same thing and Deer and Fox and Luke Walton, who wants to play slow deer and Fox who want to play fast.
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It's just a mess.
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It's too many different philosophies and they have a bunch of centers.
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Marvin Bagley is a mystery man that we've forgotten about like it's just like so they need something.
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Harry Giles is fun playing for a bit.
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It's just there's too much going on.
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I just feel like he's a connector.
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He's kind of like a I mean, Alonso thing is a great cop because I don't know who else to come back to where it's like, Yeah, that's the guy that kind of connects the dots between everybody Like you said, He's a connector.
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He's the guy that's gonna make like if because you mentioned all the pieces, all of those pieces separately or all interesting.
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Yeah, interesting.
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At least you know, it's just like who is going to connect the dots and, like Darin Fox, definitely connect the dots a little bit with those guys.
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I loved Aaron Fox like I would do horrible things to get Darin Fox to my favorite team.
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Terrible things unspeakable.
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But, um, it's not realistic.
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So he's in Sacramento, and I think that Halliburton's the guy that's gonna be ableto kind of glue everything together.
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He's a glue guy and at where they pick 12, like I picked 12 getting a glue guy who was like, brings all that to the table. That's good value.
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You're not getting them, but you're not getting a glue guy at five.
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You don't want the glue guy at five.
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You want the glue guy, you know the back end of the lottery, and that's what he is.
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He's so I'm really happy he went there.
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So far, he's proved he's got the best drip in the class.
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He likes WWF wrestling and I say WWF not W cause he's got the old school shirts I'm all in on that aspect of him.
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Um, big fan.
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Love it.
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Yeah, no big fan and big fan for for them because, I mean, just don't mess this up like just don't Don't mess it up It all.
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Um let's let's say none.
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Lemelle Oh, before we kind of get into someone's that I don't know if you're gonna have the same pictures me that I have.
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Certainly some like the few questions I have They're like big questions.
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Um, yeah. Lemelle ball.
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Do you Do you feel good about this? You just put out a video today which I'm assuming unless unless you're just putting on a different persona of the videos.
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I'm assuming that's your opinion.
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And you are a fan of it.
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Yeah.
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So I actually made that video, probably in September.
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Um, I made like it was part of a long like that was just like a micro content thing that I chopped up from an earlier video.
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I after the lottery, I had made a video like trying to figure out where Lemelle A would actually work, like the top three destinations based on how lottery shook out.
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And I said, Charlotte, Chicago, which I didn't necessarily on as a Bulls fan.
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But, you know, the fit was, you know, intriguing.
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And Phoenix would have been fun to, but I, you know, mentioned Phoenix was a long shot, given where they were, and obviously they went trade.
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They got Chris Paul.
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So they found their guy.
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But Charlotte was the number one team that I said that would be the best fit for him because I think the pieces that they have outside of Devante Graham and you know, I'm only half counting.
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Terry Rozier here is part of like, their long term plans.
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Um, outside? Uh huh.
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Take but outside of Devonte Graham like the rest of their pieces.
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Like they're all finishers.
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You know, like Miles Bridges is a guy that is super athletic.
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He's super fun, but like, if you're expecting him to go get you a bucket like, you're gonna be very disappointed.
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Uh, PJ Washington is the perfect just finisher, like, All right, I'm going to set a screen.
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I'm gonna pop.
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I'm gonna hit this shot like I don't need the ball in the head in my hands.
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I don't need thio Create offense.
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You know, Malik Monk like he does love to create his own offense, but like, he's much better if he's just catching shooting, getting out in transition and even with Devante Graham like, he's a guy that is a knockdown shooter at a catch and shoot shots.
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So, like putting him next to the mellow and especially Lamela's tall.
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So he makes up for the size.
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Not that that helps defensively, because Lemelle oh can't guard anyone yet, But, you know, theoretically, they could play together in the backcourt.
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Um, so I just think offensively, they're really intriguing because low, mellow as a shooter, like he's he's a bad shooter bordering on terrible.
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But part of that is because of shot selection, you know.
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So if you're giving him or catch and shoot shots, allowing him to playoff Devante Graham, who is good at creating offense for other people, you know that's good for him to as a scorer, you want him to be, you know, playing off other people, Um, getting open shots.
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So, Charlotte, to me, it's perfect.
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They're going to give him the keys, and they should.
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Lamela's a guy that you couldn't go halfway in, you know, like halfway in on.
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You either needed to give him the keys, let him drive as fast as he can and see if he could steer it and keep it on the road like he might crash.
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He might crash off the road, you know? But like, you have to let you have to see if he could take it, you know, to a buck 10 and, you know, stay straight and Charlotte's gonna do that, and it will be fun.
00:19:33
Um, I'm happy he went there because the fit in Minnesota would've been a train wreck.
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The fit in Golden State would have been a train wreck and maybe better with without Clay.
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But even that I don't know, even yeah, it would have been better without clay, you know, because Steph could do fun things off the ball and whatever, but the circus there, like none of their veterans would have wanted, like Draymond green Draymond green with maybe strangled him like he might have strangled him, you know, like, he might have gone full spree Well, on this kid, you know, So I don't know e my father would have broken, like, 17 clipboards like it was just shattered by the first half of this first game.
00:20:19
You know, like, it's one thing when Steph is taking like, ah, 35 ft 33 seconds into the shot clock.
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Because you're like, Oh, great shot stuff.
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You were open.
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Like you're the best shooter in the history of humanity.
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Like, keep let it fly, baby with When Lemelle Oh, does it is a little different.
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You're like, All right, well, we could have just rolled the ball out of bounds so we could set our defense up, like, you know, And you know that he grew up watching stuff and like looking up to him, so he would be like playing with stuff like we're jacking him up tonight.
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We got a show like this like what you built.
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He might be like e don't know.
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He might be like, hey, steps playing with May because the old guard right there, it's It's my time to shine.
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Uh, no, I totally agree.
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And like, I think like you have to basically put him.
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And it's a weird thing to say, because you want him to succeed.
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But you almost have to put him in a position where it's like, What's the worst position in the league? Like Like Like in terms of like where you'd wanna play, like, Who is the absolute baseline of talent? Who there needs to be nobody else there.
00:21:23
It's like Detroit and the Hornets like it's gotta be bearing for him toe work, because really, like you go down, it's like the Hawks.
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Now that's not gonna work.
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The Cavs absolutely not gonna work the Bulls.
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I don't I mean, I guess the Bulls would have maybe worked, but it's like like what? Spitzer? Levine? Levine Lemelle Aback.
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Korda's interesting like like look, he would have fit well from like an offensive standpoint with the entire like roster.
00:21:53
Pretty much, you know Wendell Carter, you know, rolling to the rim Laurie market in pick and pop.
00:21:58
Zach Lavine, like, doesn't need the ball in his hands.
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He's a like on Like I don't wanna say, exact.
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Levine is an underrated shooter score, but he is like he is one of the best.
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Like catch and shoot.
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Hey could snipe it.
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Somebody's going to get him and they're gonna be surprised.
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I think, to a degree, I mean, maybe not because they've done their scouting and stuff, but his whole thing is he's not a number one option, but if he was able to play like when, there was like, a little bit.
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And obviously I don't think this is from the Chicago front office.
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But there was rumors like Gallas really wanted, So get him.
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So Denver and Denver would have been like Denver and Dallas within the perfect spots.
00:22:36
Like if I could fully see a scenario where if you just gave Zach Lavine Jamal Murray's role in the bubble playing off Yokich, he's having a much A very similar explosion and everyone's like, Whoa, Zach Lavine.
00:22:52
I can't believe it Or at the very least, he's a better like Will Barton.
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At the very least, at the very least, I mean, the dude can just flat out make shots score, get to the rim like he's not gonna play make for you very well.
00:23:06
But he's also not like the worst in the world, either.
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He's just above his pay grade as faras, like his role on the Bulls, and he's very much so.
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A like, uh, I want to say, like to like a second option, maybe like a second and a quarter option, like definitely could be a guy who gets you 50 in a playoff game.
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But, you know, also, um, you know, maybe you'd want another guy of equal talent level with him.
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Or might you might shoot you out of one.
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Don't.
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Yeah, but the thing is like he's so efficient, you know he's not a chucker.
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That's the thing about his reputation, like he's absurdly efficient as a scorer because he's a phenomenal shooter and he's shooting a lot of tough shots and he gets to the S.
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He's also improved so much with both hands.
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He's improved so much since coming into the league like it was every single time, because again, like E watched a lot of early Zach Lavine.
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It was like when he when he would go to the rim, it would be like he's either going up with his right hand or going up, up and under on the other side with your right hand.
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Now he's got He's really, like, just all there.
00:24:09
He's got everything in the bag around the room, and it's like Aziz said, he's shooting crazy percentages there.
00:24:14
Yeah, he's a phenomenal score.
00:24:16
But, you know, and that's that's why the fit with Melo would have been interesting just because it would have been able to take him off ball, taking the pressure off of him to create for the rest of the team. Onda.
00:24:24
Same thing with Kobe White.
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I mean, Kobe White and Zach Lavine.
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Zach Lavine.
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Just a more seasoned version of what Kobe White is we saw at the end of the season, Kobe White looked phenomenal.
00:24:34
I think the last game the Bulls played was against the Nets.
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If I'm not mistaken and Kobe White had a great game, I think was an afternoon Sunday game or something like I think that was the last game the Bulls had played.
00:24:44
I don't know.
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It was around that time and he looked phenomenal.
00:24:49
But, like again, he's not making place for everybody else.
00:24:52
And, you know, I look Bulls fans.
00:24:54
I love Window Carter Juniors passing ability.
00:24:56
Um, he's not Yokich, right? Like and you know, and I know that he didn't get to show it under boiling, but like Billy Dee is not bringing Yokich level passing out of them.
00:25:05
As good as I think he could be in as a playmaker or whatever, but so the bulls needed that.
00:25:10
They still they still do.
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They still, you know, Tomas Saransk E is not, you know, setting the world on fire.
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Eso Lemelle would have been interesting there.
00:25:18
But Charlotte is much mawr.
00:25:21
What you wanted out of them.
00:25:23
There's not gonna be a media circus, you know.
00:25:25
He'll still be on ESPN and House of highlights and all that stuff.
00:25:28
It will be much more control because Frank I solo won't be, you know, screaming at him.
00:25:32
You know, one of those one of those kind of guys, you know, you don't have to talk about him nearly as much in Charlotte.
00:25:38
Um, what do you think of Billy Donovan? A brief tangent are excited about the hiring.
00:25:43
I'm super excited.
00:25:44
I mean, I've always been a Billy Donovan fan dating back Thio, Florida.
00:25:49
I mean, you know, those Florida teams were super fun.
00:25:52
And granted, they were just ridiculously talented.
00:25:55
Um, assed faras.
00:25:57
You know, they had so many MBA players on their team, but part of it is like it's hard.
00:26:01
It's a collective effort, even in college, to go back to back national championships in a single elimination tournament.
00:26:07
So part of that's coaching and preparation.
00:26:08
And you know his standing around the league with players like Bradley Beal can't say enough positive things about him and like, Look, I'm sure you know okay, see, fans, I think there are plenty of things he could improve on, but okay, see, fans haven't had to watch Jim Boylan, Um, coach basketball games.
00:26:27
So literally anybody is better than what I don't like to **** on coaches.
00:26:33
I don't like I coach, very coach are at a very low level.
00:26:37
I really I really don't because I think people really underestimate me.
00:26:42
How much coaches do know about the game, and it's so easy to be the, you know, Monday morning quarterback with a lot of the decisions.
00:26:50
But they're just They're just some things that, like, have nothing to do with what you know about basketball, that air, just personality things that everybody just absolutely hates you to your to their core.
00:27:02
And every single player on the Bulls was just like I just can't wait until I never have to see this guy again.
00:27:08
He literally installed a punch clock.
00:27:10
Like for for them to punch in tow, work as like Like, we're gonna work hard guys like Like, what are you doing? And never took accountability.
00:27:18
He was the worst.
00:27:19
I don't wanna get discount Tom Thibodeau, E.
00:27:22
I don't I don't want to get political or anything on here.
00:27:25
Um, but since I know we share similar sensibilities, you know, he was the one guy that when surveyed I've read something that, like everyone, was like, If there is a trump guy in in the league like it's Jim Boylan is the is the guy.
00:27:39
So I was like, Yeah, that makes sense.
00:27:40
And I hate both of those people, so I'm really happy that Billie Don if it could come in regardless of his political affiliation and just take this team and and kind of let Bulls fans see what they could possibly be.
00:27:53
Survey really go out? Yeah.
00:27:55
A.
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Really.
00:27:58
It's a real thing like, yeah, it's horrible with rockets.
00:28:01
Pick their coach.
00:28:02
So I mean, I guess, Yeah, sorry.
00:28:04
It's important.
00:28:09
Uh, let's Zsa which over? But since we're taking a different direction, let's switch over to three.
00:28:14
That you and we'll stick with three.
00:28:16
Uh, that you weren't so excited about, uh, in terms off in terms of guys that you were just like, yeah, I don't know.
00:28:24
I don't know if this is the right place for them.
00:28:26
Yeah, the first guys Isaka, Koro I mean it.
00:28:31
I think a lot.
00:28:32
There was a lot of my top and smoke to Cleveland, which, you know, made a little bit more sense from a fit perspective.
00:28:38
From a talent perspective, Isaac or I was a guy that everybody loves.
00:28:43
But everybody loved Jarrett Culver last year, too, and for a lot of the same reasons, and I'm just scared like he's never dribbling the basketball.
00:28:53
Gary's Garland and Concepts and are going to dribble every single possession that they had it.
00:28:59
So you're taking away like one of the skills that everybody was excited about for him, which is like, Oh, he's like a good ball handler And he could make plays in the pick and roll.
00:29:08
It's like he's never doing that.
00:29:09
He will never have the ball.
00:29:10
So he basically just, ah, three and D shooting guard, small forward who can't shoot.
00:29:17
And like from a defensive perspective, it's great, right? Like he's gonna be a phenomenal defender.
00:29:22
Colin *** and can't defend.
00:29:24
You know very well Dari Scarlett can't defend very well.
00:29:26
He could cover awesome, but like you don't have to spend the fifth pick on that like you can go get David Wahba.
00:29:33
You know, like there's there's other options.
00:29:36
Is spending the fifth pick.
00:29:37
It just it does.
00:29:39
It didn't make sense to me.
00:29:40
I hate it.
00:29:41
It was, you know, I was like, I don't think he's gonna turn into Jimmy Butler on the Cleveland Cavs, and that's why people had him at the fifth spot because there is Jimmy Butler potential, and I just couldn't think of theirs on Li like Maybe Detroit could have been worse for him, but at least there's a blanks like sleep there.
00:30:01
Hate that for him.
00:30:02
Um, but I hated it for Cleveland as soon as it happened.
00:30:06
I was like, That sucks because I really want him to succeed, and I just don't see it.
00:30:09
The one thing I like about them, I feel like they've developed.
00:30:12
Well, I I don't know.
00:30:13
I don't know about a big, long list, but everything developed a couple of guys into shooters like Collin ***ton is the one that comes up for me.
00:30:20
But, yeah, he definitely improved.
00:30:22
But like the thing is like, Colin ***ton's shot always looked flexible.
00:30:28
It looked fixable, you know, like even the percentage.
00:30:30
Ah, lot of it's probably the shots he's taking.
00:30:33
Um, he's turned himself into a very good shooter.
00:30:35
So, you know, maybe they have a very good shooting coach player development stuff there.
00:30:40
Maybe it was him on his own.
00:30:41
Who knows If a coral can fix it like that's great, you know, he'll be a really good, complementary player.
00:30:48
He still won't get to show off a ton of the things that, like make him the prospect that everybody was so high on there.
00:30:54
But it'll help. It'll be a start.
00:30:56
And who knows? Maybe they don't wanna keep ***ting in Garland together and they'll move.
00:31:00
And the fit will be cleaner eventually, You know, like that's totally possible to, um But I hated that for him.
00:31:07
I It did not excite me.
00:31:10
I thought that I think that so much of the draft is expectations.
00:31:14
And when you're drafted that high, like the expectations for the player you're gonna be is, you know, is it matters you know you don't wanna.
00:31:22
That's why I'm I'm happy that Sacramento got Halliburton at 12.
00:31:26
Because now the expectations match up with the value, and that's the It's the opposite for me with the Koro there.
00:31:34
We haven't talked about your bulls.
00:31:35
I don't know if they're on your list.
00:31:37
How you feeling? I don't know if this hits two home.
00:31:40
It's an interesting pick.
00:31:41
I don't hate it.
00:31:42
I just and also I love like the little I don't know if you watched the draft, but the stuff would like the flowers and stuff like This is how I wrote my girlfriend watching it with May.
00:31:50
I was like, just watch.
00:31:51
There's gonna be some sweet anecdotes about the players balling the entire 20 that's so nice.
00:31:56
Like it was I saw, like while I was streaming, I had the draft on, but I e didn't have any audio on.
00:32:07
I had the visual, so I saw the flowers and everything.
00:32:09
So Patrick Williams is not on my list from, like, worst case.
00:32:14
It is one of the scenarios where you're like, I don't know.
00:32:17
It feels early, you know? But like So I had him 14th on my board, which is clearly lower than the Bulls.
00:32:26
But I'll read you, um, like my right up on him in the magazine that I did.
00:32:34
And it's nothing but positivity like Pat Williams, maybe one of the draft youngest players, but he's already a man 68 to 25 brick wall.
00:32:43
All of the attributes that you would want to guard Tatum LeBron Lucas down the line.
00:32:49
Um, a little bit raw, right? But he has a little bit of young Hawaiian him.
00:32:55
Can a development staff actually take that out of him? Um, he has it in him.
00:33:02
So, like I know the potential is there It's just like qualities trajectory a lot like projecting somebody the next Jimmy Butler or Bam the next bam or Bamboo with a Kung Wu like I hate that we're doing this.
00:33:15
The band thing. I'm like, we gotta stop doing this.
00:33:17
He's a revolutionary process.
00:33:19
You know what's funny to like? I posted on Draft Day, which, even though it was yesterday, feels like a million years ago in and of itself.
00:33:27
In the morning, I posted a scouting report of Bam's weaknesses, and I didn't have what I had.
00:33:34
It was his strength, and his weakness is it was a scouting report, but I didn't post his name and I said, Who who is this? And people were saying like Willie Cauley, Stein, Um, you know, guys like that because people couldn't have been more off on bam.
00:33:50
They're talking about his lack of basketball like you, Not a good passer.
00:33:54
Doesn't have to feel not going to be a good rebounder.
00:33:57
Probably the best he's ever gonna look physically.
00:34:00
Like all of these outrageous claims that I loved Bam, he was the guy like I wrote it.
00:34:05
It's on, like I have the Screenshots, like I wanted the Bulls to draft him that year.
00:34:10
This was before they had traded Jimmy Butler.
00:34:13
And then, you know, we traded him in that draft.
00:34:16
So the dream of pairing Jimmy Butler and Bam happened just not for for me and my phantom.
00:34:22
Um, but I I freaking loved Bam.
00:34:24
And I thought that a lot of what he turned into it was pretty obvious at the time, and it was outrageous.
00:34:29
He went where he went.
00:34:31
But the scattering report that I posted it was like the sentiment at the time, and that's why he went low.
00:34:38
But it's just like some guys you watch, and they just moved differently.
00:34:40
Their natural basketball players on the court.
00:34:42
And, you know, that's honestly the way I feel about Wiseman when I watch him move, like at that size.
00:34:47
Like it's not to say that he's gonna have the same trajectory and all of a sudden become Point center.
00:34:51
That Ban is.
00:34:52
But you know, there are certain guys you watch.
00:34:54
They move differently and, like band moves differently.
00:34:56
Ah, can you doesn't move as clean as bam does.
00:34:58
He just doesn't you know, um so projecting people to be the next.
00:35:03
Whatever is tough.
00:35:05
So even if they're shades of it, like, bring it back to Patrick Williams like their shades of of Kawai in there for sure.
00:35:12
But he could also be Marvin Williams.
00:35:14
You know, like and Marvin Williams was the guy who played in the league for 15 years, I don't know.
00:35:20
What was it like? Active right? Like made a ton of money played in the league forever.
00:35:33
That's a that's a home run for, like drafting a player, typically.
00:35:38
But like also, the Hawks also passed up Chris, Paul and Deron Williams, you know, so like it's all perspective.
00:35:44
Like he did good is some of the other players, and that's almost how I feel.
00:35:49
Like like I know Patrick Williams is gonna be the MBA for a long time.
00:35:52
I know he's gonna be a decent player at worst, but, like, is he gonna be the guy that you select fourth? That turns into like an All star level player? And that's a question I don't know.
00:36:04
I feel much more confident.
00:36:06
You know, Billy Donovan and Mo Cheeks are gonna be working with them rather than, uh, you know, Jim Boylan and crew But do you feel like it's a good group for him? Like the players around him? Yeah, I dio.
00:36:19
I mean, like I said, they need a playmaker, though, like it's all for not if they don't have it.
00:36:23
Like they just need somebody who can come in and just control the pace of the game.
00:36:29
It's like waiting for Chris Paul.
00:36:32
If it didn't take, like giving up a major asset, Um, sort of how the sons did because, like, Westbrook, that, too, is that, too.
00:36:40
I think it's too crazy because I feel like the Bulls air in a major market and, like they're gonna have cap space like they could address that.
00:36:49
And once the Westbrook thing happens, like it's a wrap like I'd rather like I'd rather just bring Derek goes back and give him the keys again than trade for.
00:36:58
Obviously, Westbrook is much more impactful than Derrick Rose.
00:37:01
But, like I Westbrook scares me.
00:37:03
I think Westbrook to the Knicks.
00:37:04
Like if I was the Knicks at this point, I wouldn't be like, terribly sad about it if they made like other moves and didn't and only had to give up like Randall and whatever.
00:37:14
Um, they're making moves.
00:37:16
Do you see the Gordon Hayward stuff today? I mean, there, I'm, like, look like I get it like, I don't know, I Isn't that what we're trying to dio? Like what? That's not a fair like, I'm just I'm putting them in a tough box.
00:37:38
Leon Rose is kind of putting on a clinic.
00:37:40
Two days.
00:37:41
He's made the Davis.
00:37:43
That was nice.
00:37:44
That was like, I don't know if you saw that trade, but getting to 2023.
00:37:47
But potentially that double draft is like that's that za good move.
00:37:51
That's a That's a great move.
00:37:53
And he's a good vet to I know for a fact as somebody who covers the great vet.
00:37:58
Great that.
00:37:59
But even last night they started with 27 38 traded for 23 in case that they needed to package it.
00:38:09
Thio, I guess. Get Obie.
00:38:11
Um, the Cavs said, No, we're not giving you the fifth pick for for 23 8.
00:38:17
And then they turned 23 into 25 33.
00:38:22
So they started out with two worst picks and traded for two better picks like he made moves last night.
00:38:29
Rose knows what he's doing.
00:38:30
Like the Knicks have a competent front office.
00:38:32
It seems like e want that, though I legitimately dio like I want that to be the case.
00:38:38
It's just it's more fun that way, like it really is.
00:38:41
I want there to be, you know, competitiveness between both Brooklyn are both New York teams.
00:38:46
Um, did you like top into them? Yeah, I like him next to Mitch.
00:38:51
Personally, I'm of the mind.
00:38:53
I think that's a pretty good fit.
00:38:55
Literally.
00:38:56
Yeah, he was like one of the guys that I was like, If if there's any buddy that is like going to get the most out of, like an OBE topping, it's Thibodeau.
00:39:06
Um, you know, he made Carlos Boozer like a significant contributor on the Bulls team and, like Boozer gets **** on a little bit too much by Bulls fans like he was still a very good offensive player despite his, you know, defensive limitations.
00:39:20
Um, but yeah, like you said, he's great with Mitch, you know, they're there.
00:39:25
Skill sets offensively work.
00:39:26
They both can, um, you know, play close to the basket, but top Incan, space it out He's a good passer, like, really underrated as a pastor, like he's a playmaker, um, at the power forward position.
00:39:38
You know, gonna be a really good scorer and defensively, like if you're a Knick fan and you buy into Mitchell Robinson's, uh, Mitchell Robinson's defensive potential like he's going to cover up for a lot of the mistakes that Obi would make.
00:39:49
So I love it.
00:39:51
You know, he's the perfect guy for New York, that it's not like another unknown player like I I would have.
00:39:59
It would have been hard for me to pass on him, even for Kyra Lewis, even if I thought Kyra Lewis was the better prospect.
00:40:05
Um, just because in that specific, you know, situation, it made a lot of sense.
00:40:13
The New York fan base is very specific, and it would have been like it could have been a nightmare media wise, which does affect players if like top and went on to win Rookie of the year and they passed on him.
00:40:25
And now the narrative is like we got this guy who's not contributing like Obi Topping is and oh my God, it always happens to us follow.
00:40:33
So I like to fit their.
00:40:35
You know, he's a guy that is not going to clash with R. J. Barrett.
00:40:39
Um, there, you know, it's a good it's a good, but they still they're still pieces away.
00:40:45
But I like Westbrook for them.
00:40:47
Honestly, I I honestly, I I think it makes a lot of sense.
00:40:52
You have a, you know, a guy that gives you a lot of like vertical spacing with Mitchell Robinson.
00:40:57
And I guess the way that young Adams did.
00:40:59
I don't know about this current iteration of Steven Adams, but you have that.
00:41:03
And then you have top and who I don't really know.
00:41:05
If Russ has played with anybody like I guess like young Ibaka kinda sort of.
00:41:10
It's not a great cop.
00:41:12
I wouldn't call it a great cop, but we'll throw it out there, at least on offense, on Ben, just, you know, other pieces.
00:41:17
I don't know what RJ is gonna turn into, but you know, I think it was good for him to try to learn to play off ball.
00:41:24
It's gonna be really integral for him to learn how to shoot, because I'll be honest, like I don't think he's a good enough prospect in other ways where if he just doesn't learn how to shoot, he's going to succeed.
00:41:33
I don't think he's.
00:41:34
I don't think the baseline of R.
00:41:35
J.
00:41:36
Barrett is good enough.
00:41:37
So regardless, he's gonna have to learn how to do that, to be something in the N B A.
00:41:40
Anyway.
00:41:41
So I don't hate it.
00:41:42
I like it.
00:41:43
It's interesting.
00:41:44
They're looking at Gordon Hayward like they could be.
00:41:46
They could be fun.
00:41:47
Honestly, they could be a fun team.
00:41:49
They really could be Gordon Hayward, not in his contract that he's currently like, could be a good value player.
00:41:55
If you could stay healthy, like if you could just stay healthy for you.
00:41:58
Look, you look good for like, really right Before the All Star break last year, it was he was right on the edge of making an All Star team again.
00:42:05
Maybe not that close, but he was in the mix.
00:42:07
You see, he's in conversation.
00:42:09
Sure, he's like the Spencer Genuity, like he was in that like they were probably in the same class of the conversation to make the all star team.
00:42:15
Speaking of Spencer, speaking of Dinwiddie, yeah, when he he got traded to the Bulls for Cameron Bairstow Classic and I was stoked.
00:42:26
I was like did what he could play.
00:42:27
This is great.
00:42:29
I think he played on the bull summer league team and looked really good.
00:42:33
And then we were done with them and he went to Brooklyn, where I got an up close and personal view of him on a regular basis, where I was like Now I'm reminded about this terrible decision that we made Teoh.
00:42:50
You know, I think the Bulls cut in like, yeah, you know, like they waved in.
00:42:53
Like what? It's really frustrating.
00:42:56
Yeah, he's Zell fun for you.
00:42:59
I'm not gonna give you any constantly.
00:43:01
That's a pretty tough one.
00:43:03
Hey, you never know.
00:43:04
I mean, who knows? He's a free agent and this next upcoming year.
00:43:07
So maybe it's a re union.
00:43:08
You wouldn't be bad for you guys.
00:43:10
Actually, I don't know he'd be good work, but, I mean, it would be an interesting fit the very least, um, let's get the other ones that you weren't wild about.
00:43:19
Fit wise.
00:43:20
If you have any a man, a lot of these fits like I really liked I don't like.
00:43:27
We talked about a little bit before we started recording.
00:43:30
Um, this is coming from the perspective that I had him Number two on my board.
00:43:35
I had him number one for a lot of the the year.
00:43:37
Like I've done a complete 1 80 on Anthony Edwards.
00:43:41
I'm out on him.
00:43:42
I owe all of the noise about him.
00:43:46
You bought it as it's really scared me.
00:43:49
I don't know why.
00:43:50
It's just ah, guy who doesn't love basketball because he'd rather be playing football on rapping.
00:43:55
Sounds bad.
00:43:56
He sounds 18.
00:43:58
That sounds sweet. That sounds like me.
00:44:00
It does sound sweet.
00:44:02
I wish I could rap.
00:44:03
I hope he's good, but he came at Dame and Dame is actually a Ah Hooper who could actually some tough look.
00:44:10
And he's like, That's like Dame is like, you know, like, way Have you not learned like, did you not learn what Paul George did? You ever did? If you come from, you best not miss right, like but But the other thing, like I don't wanna put put it squarely on Edwards.
00:44:25
The other thing, like Minnesota, also took in McDaniel's.
00:44:32
So like they took both of the guys in the draft who have really high upside.
00:44:36
But the question is like, Oh, they also just don't like to play basketball And they took both of them like that.
00:44:44
It's strange to May that you just wanted the guys that, like maybe, like I don't know, that scared me.
00:44:52
I don't love the Fit for for either scenario, but there's not like a lot of guys.
00:44:58
The only guy I really hated was a core.
00:45:01
Oh, I didn't get the Jaylin Smith thing.
00:45:02
And it's not even from like, Oh, they reached for him because, you know, typically, like, if you really believe in a guy like, yeah, I get the point that, like you can trade down and maybe get him later for something you know, less assets get whatever.
00:45:18
Um, if you like a guy, go get him.
00:45:21
But like, this guy in particular is a center.
00:45:24
And, like DeAndre, 18 is awesome.
00:45:26
So, like, how many minutes is he's gonna actually be able to see the floor like Who's he sharing the floor with? Like you're getting him? What has injury insurance? You're you're You're expecting him to get suspended for another 30 games for steroids or whatever.
00:45:38
Like I don't know.
00:45:39
It's just, um that was It's just weird from a fit perspective just because I don't see how many minutes he's gonna get playing behind.
00:45:47
Aiden should not sell.
00:45:49
They should have, like, the Bridges for self like that.
00:45:53
I would have nightmares about that.
00:45:55
I was there, I wanted them.
00:45:56
I wanted them to take either, um, Halliburton or Kyra Lewis.
00:46:02
You know, like I know that they know I understand that they got Chris Paul, but, like Chris, Paul's old.
00:46:08
So it's not like you can't have somebody learn under him who has, like, a lot of potential and, you know, fits well with your current roster on top of it.
00:46:17
So that's the direction I would have went.
00:46:20
But I'm not an M B a g M.
00:46:21
So you know E don't get to make those decisions.
00:46:25
Yeah, no, I mean, I think they could have just used I mean, it's their teams pretty built, right, like there that I don't think they need a ton else.
00:46:33
I like they obvious have lost you bre.
00:46:35
So I guess you would need maybe a wing, Although they were fine without it.
00:46:39
But maybe somebody that comes in and defends just a little bit, like just a little bit more.
00:46:44
So that's why you know of a cell I throughout their e o of Halliburton as well That makes a little bit of sense just in terms of you know, what you're getting from him on all over, really on the court.
00:46:53
But yeah, I thought that was a puzzling move.
00:46:56
Um, do you like the maxi to the Sixers? If you want my honest opinion, I hate it because I like him a lot.
00:47:07
I know we obviously talked about this a lot last time, but I just I don't know when I'm going to feel like they have enough shooting around Ben and Joel like I get at the Seth Curry thing is awesome.
00:47:21
And they're going to do a bunch of dribble handoff stuff with with Embiid and Seth Curry, and it's gonna they're gonna have their JJ Red**** there and Danny Green like maybe we have the year where Danny Green shoots.
00:47:32
Well, uh, that seems to be something that happens every two years, but maybe this is the year.
00:47:38
But outside of that, I still feel like they're a little.
00:47:41
They're just missing something.
00:47:43
And it's like, man like that.
00:47:45
Weakness for him is going to be so much on display If he's, you know, the backup point guard for Ben Simmons, who doesn't shoot it all.
00:47:52
I don't know.
00:47:53
I didn't love it, but I think culturally he's gonna be awesome for them.
00:47:56
Yeah, I mean, culturally defensively, just from a like best player available perspective.
00:48:02
Like E had had 10th on my board.
00:48:05
And you know that Daryl Morey is a guy who just he likes talent and he'll they'll figure out the fit later.
00:48:11
Um, granted, you know, with that said, he also loves his shooters.
00:48:15
Now the thing with Maxie is like he didn't shoot it great percentage wise at Kentucky, but like he was a guy that was a shooter coming out of high school, great free throw percentage to We have to add to be shot like I think 80% from the line and the other thing, like he doesn't need the ball in his hands.
00:48:34
He played so much off the ball of Kentucky and what's interesting is that he ran so much floppy so much stuff.
00:48:42
And, you know, maybe Philly puts in a little bit of the JJ Red**** sets.
00:48:48
And now you have guys like SEF and Naxi and Danny Green all running off those you know, d a chose withdrawal and be that, you know, you weren't really able to do last year, so that's so that's interesting.
00:49:00
And just from a talent perspective, um, talk about Danny Green for a second.
00:49:04
I hate talking down on because the Long Island guy, um, my buddy, my buddy does installs at his house for the best pie.
00:49:10
Um, but with that said, I just want to say we played his brother and his brother was in our league for the team I coach last year, and we smacked his team both both games.
00:49:23
So that's all I want to say on that Danny Green's brother.
00:49:27
There you go.
00:49:28
Uh, anybody else you're not thrilled about.
00:49:32
Did you like the true one? Um, I do like the a chew one.
00:49:37
Do you like because he's a hard worker? I'm like, Of course, Of course.
00:49:41
This, too is so like a Chua is like one of the guys that I think that if you actually were going to be like, Which guy is the Bam like? I almost think there's some sneaky like that kind of potential, and obviously going to Miami is gonna make that noise a little bit louder.
00:49:55
But he has.
00:49:56
He's really tools.
00:49:57
He he's really athletic.
00:49:59
He does a lot of things.
00:50:00
He just like, plays a little bit out of control.
00:50:04
Um, like I did it, Ah Spurs podcast last week and we were talking about him and I almost said that he was kind of like the Big Man version of like Lani Walker.
00:50:16
A little bit where it's like, really fun.
00:50:18
Doesn't really athletic is going to do like some things that make you go.
00:50:22
Wow, what just happened? But then he's also going to do other things that you like.
00:50:27
Wow, what just happened? You know, like he's gonna do both ways.
00:50:31
But I think just from a coaching perspective and like a pure talent perspective, like and the mixing those together, I think it's awesome like he's gonna He's definitely a guy that will fit the culture as a worker and versatile player and and learning from SPO getting to play, you know, with Ban and learning from him.
00:50:49
I think it's, you know, an excellent fit for him, even if, like, you know, he doesn't stretch the floor.
00:50:55
So, like, you know, like or he shouldn't At least he might think he stretches the floor at times he did, but like he doesn't yet eso like, uh, from a basketball perspective, I guess.
00:51:06
Like playing Bam and him together is weird, since we can't play two big men together anymore, for whatever reason, in the league.
00:51:12
But defensively they'll be able to guard, like switch everything.
00:51:16
Like, you know, he'll guard point guards, you know, on switches and stuff eventually.
00:51:20
So he's fun.
00:51:21
He's definitely fun there.
00:51:22
Cool.
00:51:23
That's it.
00:51:24
There you go.
00:51:25
I I didn't I admittedly have not Scout like E scouted like I scouted it.
00:51:29
No, actually, I've been watching some of his his high school high school tape this week to because he played with Cade Cunningham.
00:51:38
I've been like I've been starting my kids stuff.
00:51:41
Um, so he played with Cade.
00:51:44
So the one thing that, like you wanted that that I found interesting from that in regards to him is he was, like, still a little bit out of control in high school, too.
00:51:55
And so it's not like a speed of the game thing for him, where he just needs to let the speed of the blow himself down.
00:52:03
I think he just plays too fast, and it's not because everybody else is playing fast.
00:52:07
I think it's like I can think so.
00:52:08
He just needs to learn to slow down himself.
00:52:15
It's spoken, slow him down and try to figure out how to just make him play with himself.
00:52:22
Then I think, you know, you get like, a really good, really, really player out of them.
00:52:27
C And I feel like that's perfect because that, like, even looking at the way Tyler hero, play like Tyler hero Clearly defensively.
00:52:35
I mean, I'm not going to say he's this outstanding defender, but like the lack of mental errors that he made compared to like what you sort of, I thought it was astounding, almost like I just was like e don't know, like just everybody understands what they need to do, what's expected of them, when to rise up.
00:52:56
But the occasion, that's just they just have it figured out.
00:52:59
There's something there's something there.
00:53:01
Maybe this is just like I'm gonna do this every time the heat select anybody I'm like, Oh, well, clearly they're gonna be good, because the heat, but like it is, it's I don't know.
00:53:08
I could see that being a good fit for him then, Yeah, I thought they were gonna take Maxie.
00:53:13
I thought they were gonna take Maxie there, But But yeah, I think just from a positional standpoint, I guess they you know, they did have a need.
00:53:25
Like they were really searching for it between Olynyk and admires Leonard.
00:53:29
They didn't have that second big to throw out there in the finals.
00:53:32
Um, so I guess maybe they're they're gonna try to group.
00:53:40
We didn't talk a ton about Kyra Lewis because my internet to crash last time, which it was like, right when we got to this and I want to do it I want to do before we kinda get this thing close.
00:53:52
I don't know how long we've been on, but yeah, let's Let's let's talk about him a little bit, because I I admittedly I I don't feel like I have an awesome feel for him, and you were really high on him.
00:54:01
Yeah, probably higher than anybody on him.
00:54:05
I had 1/5 on my board on when I watched it.
00:54:08
I just said, like Let me go check the mocks, You know, like the first time I started watching him, however, long ago, let me check the mocks.
00:54:14
Let me see the big boards.
00:54:15
Where is this kid Rank? Because he's got to be high.
00:54:18
And it was like twenties, late twenties, maybe early thirties.
00:54:23
And I was like, We're wanting games like whoever is writing this like weird.
00:54:28
And it was like a lot of people.
00:54:29
I was like, We're watching different games because this kid's games made for the MBA.
00:54:33
Like, shoots it off like he's not just a speed guy.
00:54:36
You know R J.
00:54:37
Hampton is the guy that's blazing fast, but like you don't know what he's going to do with the rest of his tools.
00:54:42
Kyra Lewis was like, He's the guy that drives the car super fast but can control it.
00:54:48
You know, like he's he's going so much faster than everybody else.
00:54:51
But he's not going too fast for himself.
00:54:53
So he's able to make is for other people with this speed, he's able to knock down shots.
00:54:58
Um, like, 37% from three off the bounce, most of it off the bounce creating for himself, Not even, you know, in ISO situations, not always, even with a screen.
00:55:06
You know, eso you can't kind of, like, meet him in the paint like you can RJ Hampton, and be like, Well, he's fast.
00:55:12
But if you go under on screens, he's gonna knock down a shot and like, if you're chasing around screen, he's gonna beat you with this speed.
00:55:19
So offensively, I thought he was, like, perfect for the end, bounds for us, fast as he is.
00:55:26
So he's not like, you know, the deer and Fox type athlete where he has both, even though, if his speed might be comparable.
00:55:35
But I think that he has potential to finish her like he did show some craft around the rim.
00:55:40
Some touch around the rim with both hands, and he has, like, the euro steps and like, um, Speed.
00:55:47
And he has an elite MBA skill.
00:55:49
And not every prospect in this draft has an elite MBA skill, and he does.
00:55:53
And that's to go along with the fact that he's skilled in other areas, too.
00:55:58
And, you know, the kid could defend.
00:56:00
I mean, I think he was, like, first in out of the guards and block shots.
00:56:05
And he's doing a lot of it from, like, Standstill.
00:56:07
Like he's a help defender coming from the weak side, swatting shots at the rim like he's staying with guys, you know, playing one on one and just getting a hand up, timing it right? Like that's really his instincts.
00:56:19
Really, Really.
00:56:20
Um, good on that end, too.
00:56:22
So, like, I thought that he was just an easy lottery pick, like I tweeted like maybe a year ago, that, like, how is this guy? Not a lock to be a lottery pick now? I thought he should have been a top 10 pick.
00:56:34
I thought that, you know, he could have gone earlier.
00:56:36
There was a little bit of buzz that the Bulls were may be interested in them.
00:56:40
They worked him out, they had meetings and I was like, You know what? Like if they're going, I wouldn't have hated that, But, you know, he's he's a guy that is gonna play with a young team that could get up and down the court so fun with the ion, especially in transition.
00:57:02
Stuff like they're gonna be there will be fun that way.
00:57:06
They're gonna fun.
00:57:07
And, like even with Lonzo like Alonso is a guy who is good in transition, you know? And like Lonzo loves those baseball passes, Well, Kyra Lewis is gonna beat people on the court like he did that a lot.
00:57:17
He's good in the NBA to, so I think it's a really good fit.
00:57:21
Um, I you know, he and he's got he put on weight, you know, he's £10 heavier than Dan Fox when he was drafted, and part of that is because he had the extra time to prep with everything going on.
00:57:31
And, you know, the draft was at a weird time this year.
00:57:34
But, you know, that's the fax.
00:57:36
He's gonna be come in more physically developed, Um, then and he's still super young.
00:57:41
Even though he was a sop****re, he wasn't old enough to get drafted as a freshman.
00:57:45
He just couldn't.
00:57:46
He wasn't allowed, you know, like he wasn't allowed.
00:57:48
He, uh, he's a year younger than coal.
00:57:50
Anthony S O.
00:57:52
You know.
00:57:53
So even as as a sop****re you know he made a jump, is a player.
00:57:55
He improved his skills.
00:57:56
He played in a good conference like I'm all in on him.
00:57:59
I think that, you know, he's an obvious NBA player, especially in this draft, like and then that's the thing if when there aren't a lot of obvious guys, he seemed like an obvious guy to May.
00:58:09
Is he? What's he like? Is a playmaker like, Is he because they there once? I think they've missed like they have the connector with Alonso, but they don't have the guy like the I don't even know like the driving kick guy like, Is he gonna fill that role? Because I just dear.
00:58:26
Okay, so there you go.
00:58:27
There's a perfect fit.
00:58:28
He's exactly they need.
00:58:29
So the the knock on him is that he's, Ah, he's not the best decision maker Ah or what? But like, he made some really special passes.
00:58:44
He could make live dribble glasses with both hands.
00:58:46
He made my favorite ass of the entire year like coming breaking guy down with no screen on the left wing.
00:58:54
This is against North Carolina getting into the paint, collapsing the defense, and then whipping a one handed past with his left hand through multiple defenders to the weak side wing, like a laser dime right into the shooter's hands like unbelievable pat like he's capable off some really special passes.
00:59:13
He's gonna look the MBA transition for any point guard is gonna take time.
00:59:17
So like his decision making might look iffy.
00:59:20
But I think that even a guy like Tyree's Halliburton's decision making might look if he at times as a rookie, it's just what is what it is.
00:59:27
And especially this year, where the season is gonna be weird.
00:59:29
Like some of these rookies, they're like, 11 days.
00:59:33
Basically, they're not.
00:59:35
They're going to struggle, man.
00:59:36
Like not only that, Like, the schedule is gonna be weird this year, right? Like that's the thing that that we heard.
00:59:41
Like, there's gonna be regional games.
00:59:43
There's gonna be a lot of back to backs and, like under normal cir***stances, you know, rookies might not be on the scouting report, but if you go off in that first game, you gotta back to back Now it's almost playoff.
00:59:55
Like where the team is gonna be.
00:59:56
Hey, maybe we shouldn't let you know.
00:59:58
Desmond Bain get four open threes to, you know, like that's gonna happen.
01:00:02
And rookies, we're gonna have weird, wonky games where they're like, great one night and and not great the next, which is typical of a rookie anyway.
01:00:10
But even more so this year.
01:00:12
So but, um, yeah, I love Carl Lewis game and and I think as he continues to grow as a decision maker, and obviously he's going to play with a good decision maker in Lonzo.
01:00:22
He's not gonna be the guy he's not counted on to be the guy.
01:00:26
He's just gonna be a guy who could push the pace and get all of these guys running.
01:00:30
So I love it.
01:00:31
I absolutely love it.
01:00:32
Yeah, I like that, too.
01:00:33
And I just like I mean, it's I don't know.
01:00:36
I think he the more you talk about on the more it's weird.
01:00:39
Like we talk about Lemelle.
01:00:40
Oh, is somebody that's like you kind of want him to be on a baseline team where there's like no, like, it's just like it's his team.
01:00:46
I actually it almost sounds better that Kyra's on a team where there's other pieces around him.
01:00:51
He's not on like a team that's trying to compete right away.
01:00:53
But it is like it seems like it's the right situation for him.
01:00:56
Yeah, it's a good situation.
01:00:57
I you know, I think I would, uh like, I don't think it's my favorite situation before him.
01:01:03
But it is when you think I also didn't think about him in that spot because I thought he'd go before that.
01:01:10
Um, but it's It's a fun situation for sure, And I think that, you know, he's gonna I think that city is gonna love him and there that's gonna be It's just another guy to add to a really fun league past team.
01:01:22
Yes, exactly.
01:01:23
And I think, like, yeah, I mean, it's just it's it's gonna be It'll be easy for him to like, sort of play through these things when he's got two guys that are just gonna make things.
01:01:32
I'll, you know, just take things off this plate.
01:01:34
Um, let's see Achillion Hayes as the other one.
01:01:38
I wanted to touch on thes two.
01:01:41
I think this was actually might have said this last time is like before we kind of concluded abruptly, uh, was that Killian Hayes and and Carl Lewis.
01:01:50
So Killian Haze is an interesting one.
01:01:51
Another one. I kind of liked that he's got his own team.
01:01:54
Yeah, you know, killing is a weird.
01:01:58
He's a weird player because some people love him so much.
01:02:01
You know, I think it started when Kevin O.
01:02:04
Connor, from the ringer had him number one on his board.
01:02:07
And it's totally like, Who is this guy? And then, you know, maybe it's just because I'm although I'm not by any stretch of the imagination and Knicks fan, I am a New Yorker.
01:02:17
All my friends are Knicks fans, and I guess I follow a lot of people on next Twitter.
01:02:22
Like I've been very involved in my cat we mentioned earlier.
01:02:26
Uh, I'm very involved in Nick's Twitter and like Nick's Twitter, Freaking loves Killing and Hes.
01:02:32
But like when I was getting intel from, you know, sources say that, you know, it was all like, Hey, we teams don't love killing Hayes as much as the Internet does like and watched his games.
01:02:44
And when I was watching him, it was after Kevin O Connor.
01:02:53
Let me see what hypes about and I watched, and I was like Oh, I don't get it like I'm missing something because he's a guy that, like just he looks great in highlight tapes because he has, like, this incredibly special, um, you know, step back ability from, you know, a young kid.
01:03:11
He's lefty.
01:03:12
He looks like D Angelo Russell.
01:03:13
He looks like Harden.
01:03:14
He's doing the sidesteps, all of this stuff, great footwork, blah, blah, blah.
01:03:17
But then you watch him and you're like, Oh, but sometimes his footwork is not special, like sometimes it's really sloppy.
01:03:22
And then you look at him.
01:03:24
You're like, Oh, he just like, bricked that wide open catch and shoot three and then put his head down and before he jogged back on defense.
01:03:33
So maybe he's not like like his body language isn't always great.
01:03:38
And then you're like, Oh, he's 65 and like I looked at his numbers on a spreadsheet, and he's 58% of the rim, you know? What's that? Sure, but then you're like, Oh, but then I watched four games against athleticism and length, and he's getting his **** sent into the stands like pretty frequently and his shot altered around the hoop.
01:04:06
Like unless he's getting to his floater a little midrange shot.
01:04:10
He has trouble finishing, and I don't think he literally has ever dribbled with his right hand before.
01:04:15
Um, so I was like, I don't get it.
01:04:18
But with that said like, he does have the positive good out of the pick and roll, but not as good as everybody says, because a lot of it was not.
01:04:28
This is the set we're running, we're running a wheel.
01:04:30
So when I hit the weak side corner, that's like the first or second option in the set we're running.
01:04:37
It's not like I have this special vision.
01:04:39
See this guy out of the corner of my eye like the mellow does.
01:04:42
I'm improvising like it's all based out of like this set was made to go there.
01:04:51
Context.
01:04:52
Watching the games and pattern recognition, you start going all right.
01:04:55
It's not a special as it looks on its surface and a highlight tape.
01:05:00
But with that said, I'm not trying to say he's a bad prospect.
01:05:02
I had him, I think, seventh on my big board because you're really good defender, really good team defender, Good size strong does have the shot making ability Dubai it long term, especially as he continues to work.
01:05:16
He does have a good floater game, this pattern a little bit, but like I'm just saying, it was a little over those passes.
01:05:26
Um, but you know the concerns like he's gonna have to shore up those issues otherwise and be in no man's land.
01:05:35
Yeah, you know, well, he's also not, like, super physically gifted like That's the So it's like So you better be really like you said they D Angelo Russell, first of D'Angelo.
01:05:45
Russell did not pan out for four years, and honestly, it looked like a sunk cause, and it start.
01:05:53
Even last year, it started out.
01:05:55
He comes out the first month and, you know, it's just like E.
01:05:58
Guess this is, I don't know.
01:05:59
It's just what his team now like, what, what's going on here like, and it just clicks for him and it took a while.
01:06:05
I think a lot of it, just like he's not that physically gifted.
01:06:08
And he it was a culpability thing, a rhythm thing.
01:06:10
He's finding, you know, the windows that he's finding able, you know, just again pattern recognition.
01:06:15
I think that's just started to come for him and he started, Understand? Okay, you know, this guy's gonna be open.
01:06:20
And if I move this way or go, you know, basically reject the screen and go that direction.
01:06:26
So I mean, I I don't know.
01:06:28
I do kind of worry about that with Killian hazes like, Man, it's really tough to be a point guard in this league and not be super physically gifted, like you better be really special in a lot of other ways.
01:06:39
And like if the shooting isn't there right now because the Andhra muscles a shooter, it's like it's like if that's not there right now and you're not playing in a great league, either.
01:06:48
By the way, not a great league kill.
01:06:51
Yeah, no, it's not.
01:06:53
I don't know, feels it.
01:06:54
Z man, like it is risky, feels really risky, like his floor is a lot lower than I think people realize, and that's that.
01:07:03
I think people thought he was just really safe and he's he's not a safe is people think as like a surefire because the his position is loaded, it is just loaded in the league.
01:07:13
Um, and the other thing, like I remember.
01:07:15
I tweeted out one time like everyone says Harden.
01:07:18
Everyone says D'Angelo Russell, But, like, let's try to see him be Goran Dragic.
01:07:23
Now some people would argue that Dragic is probably is better than D'Angelo.
01:07:27
Russell.
01:07:28
You know, when it comes to like, who would you rather have on a playoff team? Um, but I think, you know, from a talent perspective, I think everybody would agree that, like Russell's probably the better prospect If you were to grade them out, just that baseline coming into the MBA, Um, and one of, you know, scout that I talk with Sometimes he texted me right away, like he doesn't have that get the quarterback who was like out there talking nonstop and and leading and organizing and and, uh, and firing your team up like you want that.
01:08:30
Like, I'm kind of surprised he wasn't the guy that slipped.
01:08:33
Well, there was a rumor there were.
01:08:36
There were rules, but there was also like he's been working out in Detroit with Will Barnum, and it was like, kind of assumed that like he spot for him.
01:08:46
So I wasn't shocked that he went where he went, but I kind of.
01:08:51
I really had a feeling that he wasn't going like he's gonna be the guy like that Chicago takes it for I was like I don't know if they are, I don't know.
01:09:02
So I'm not shocked that he went at seven.
01:09:04
I think it's a good spot.
01:09:05
Like I said, I haven't seventh on my board, You know, that's not That's not like to too far down.
01:09:12
Um, but, yeah, there's some quite Davis as people think he is.
01:09:19
That's interesting.
01:09:20
That that I mean, do you think would have been better for him to be a A spot where he's not the only guy there? Because it's like him Bay and I don't know, That's the Chris went back.
01:09:29
I have no clue, Christian would said, like agency starts tomorrow.
01:09:34
E think he tweeted something like start at midnight.
01:09:37
I was like, No, it doesn't, it doesn't sort of.
01:09:39
I'm like I don't know if you should be saying that information it says six tomorrow, so I don't know what's going on here.
01:09:46
It's got that like, I think would have been really good for him because he doesn't like the Alfa and he has a lot of guys he could create for it would have, like, really fit his skill set.
01:10:11
But then also, he could play off Devin Booker too.
01:10:14
And like Let Dev cook for for a little bit like Troy just feels weird, like again, like they're a team. I mean, new management.
01:10:21
I didn't love them taking, um, Isaiah Stewart as early as they did.
01:10:27
Like like like people were like, Oh, maybe New York will take him a 27 initially, you know, making my 16th or 17th pick whatever it was staying showed some flashes.
01:11:18
Whatever.
01:11:19
I mean, I don't know the young guys with Derrick, Rose and Blake.
01:11:23
I'm sure they're probably gonna try trade Derrick for some kind of asset.
01:11:26
Um, Blake sure could get it moved if a team got desperate enough, they wanted to throw an asset in here there.
01:11:34
But it's just a weird team.
01:11:35
I don't It's not the worst spot in the world because it's not like he really has a ton of competition at his position.
01:11:41
And, you know, if they keep Derrick Rose, I guess he's not worst guy in the world to learn how to play from, you know, former M v p, uh, guy who battled back from all the injuries and stuff like good story players.
01:11:52
You know, young guys look up to him, but not the worst.
01:11:57
But it's also not like my favorite spot for him.
01:12:00
It's interesting.
01:12:01
There's not gonna be a lot of pressure.
01:12:02
I think now that he went to Detroit, it's an easy spot.
01:12:06
For all of, like, the people who are all in on him to be like, Well, he went to Detroit.
01:12:10
So, like he didn't get a fair shake.
01:12:12
And kind of like, you know, just kind of slide into the background like he never was this popular on draft Twitter.
01:12:19
As as he actually Waas.
01:12:22
Well, I guess I guess drafted Or want to figure out what we're really what they're really sinking their teeth into.
01:12:28
Let me leave you this.
01:12:29
Why did Denny What did he slip, man? I don't know.
01:12:34
I really don't.
01:12:35
I don't even like him that much.
01:12:36
I personally, but, uh I guess for those same reason, I guess you know a lot of the team.
01:12:44
Yeah, I guess they had those concerns.
01:12:46
Maybe they had the concerns of his shooting, you know, that the same things that most people don't.
01:12:51
You know, I personally and I didn't really have those concerns.
01:12:54
I did have the same similar concerns, um, to Killian, where, like, Denny doesn't like dribbling with his left hand all that often.
01:13:00
And that's concerning to me.
01:13:02
Um, but I don't Washington's, like, not a terrible fit for him.
01:13:07
Uh, yeah.
01:13:08
I like him next to be you feel like that simplifies things a lot and John want to depending on, like he honestly, like he can defend.
01:13:15
Like I know people don't think he can, but he's a smart help defender.
01:13:19
He's in the right spots.
01:13:20
He'll he'll get locks here and there.
01:13:22
Um, like, he won't be a defensive player of the year candidate like because he can't lock you down one on one.
01:13:27
But he's not gonna get cooked necessarily.
01:13:29
And he's used to playing.
01:13:30
He's used to playing with men.
01:13:33
Pros got a ton of experience.
01:13:35
Um, but yeah, that's definitely a situation that I went can't believe that, you know, a team like Cleveland like would have been a way better fit in Cleveland than a coral where, you know, he could have came in played 23 played some backup. Four.
01:13:52
Been a better playmaker than Garland.
01:13:54
And ***ed in like that would have been a good spot for him.
01:13:57
You know, a even kind of Atlanta would have been an interesting spot because he could play make and let Trey playoff ball a little bit.
01:14:04
So, uh, yeah, it's it's weird that he slipped.
01:14:09
I mean, I don't like New York.
01:14:11
I think again with O.
01:14:12
B.
01:14:13
I think that was always the pick, even regardless of who was going to be there.
01:14:16
Unless, like, you know, one of the top three guys really fell.
01:14:20
But yeah, he should.
01:14:21
I think he should have gone, you know, much earlier than he did, even with kind of the concerns.
01:14:26
Just because the draft is This was a weird draft and there was no standouts, and that's why Patrick Williams jumped up.
01:14:33
And it's just the idea of of what? He could be kind of transfixed.
01:14:36
Everybody I like Atlanta for.
01:14:40
For Denny, that makes sense.
01:14:41
It makes a lot of sense.
01:14:42
I don't know about bringing in another center e don't know about that one.
01:14:46
I mean, I think that probably didn't do that perfectly adequate.
01:15:01
He's number 7/17 best center in the league like he's not a guy.
01:15:08
You're worried that he's on the court, but he's also not a guy that you're like. Man.
01:15:12
Can't wait to go watch Klink teleplay tonight.
01:15:14
Yeah, that's not, but he's a guy like I'm sure they could get some kind of value for like, there's there's gotta be a team that, like could use kind of the rim running, you know, kind of center there.
01:15:27
That's available if he gets a little pricey, Um ah, come with the like, you know, he look, they need defenders like John Collins is not.
01:15:37
He's not the the guy offenders, and they'll get better as they get more experience in the league.
01:16:00
So if you you know, if your surrounding those guys or your surrounding trade with those guys like I get the strategy and I get the Congo stuff, Congo is one of the safest players in the draft high floor.
01:16:12
Um, not gonna ceiling is that you know, other people were, but again, it's not like a terrible value, like that's what you're getting out of this draft.
01:16:22
There's, you know, there's no **** Marantz There's no Zion, just one of those drafts. If you could get solid.
01:16:30
And maybe that's what Atlanta needs.
01:16:32
They just need solid like, Hey, we can't with on this pic We took way, went away from the Luca out camera.
01:16:41
Fish showed some signs, but it's not like he's gonna be the tipping point of that trade.
01:16:48
Like maybe we just need to get the guy who's gonna kind of be sell it and good for us and we can take a shot even though, you know we're sixth in the lottery, you know, this year well, they're also fighting for a playoff spot.
01:17:00
Eso I mean, just having somebody that kind of, you know, what you're gonna get, I think is I guess that makes more sense when you explain it out.
01:17:10
It's just it's an interesting, like a positional overlap.
01:17:13
That just means they kind of need to get the cappella thing done or they need thio.
01:17:17
I mean, they got rid of what's Isn't it the center? I'm definitely yes, dead than today.
01:17:22
Thank you.
01:17:23
It's been a long E, but so that killer is up a little bit, but yeah, I mean, I don't know I hope the best friend.
01:17:31
Because he's another guy. Great story.
01:17:33
You know, You didn't have the volume on, but those little moments those I know, his story e forgot.
01:17:40
Great.
01:17:43
I want to say really interesting profile on him earlier in the year that I read and I was like, Great job.
01:17:50
Pre job.
01:17:51
Good.
01:17:52
Really rooting for him the Yeah, it's so weird seeing the photos.
01:18:00
I'm like, Wow, I wish, you know, I need the little things.
01:18:03
We saw Chino Hills and I just It's so weird that somebody was in the background That just went Number six in the draft.
01:18:09
Yeah, super weird.
01:18:12
It's super weird, but, I mean, it's it's funny how life works like that.
01:18:15
Um, I wanna let's plug away anything you got coming out resting.
01:18:19
Uh oh, man, There's no time to rest.
01:18:22
The college season starts next week.
01:18:24
The MBA seasons e mean free agency is tomorrow.
01:18:27
E started soon.
01:18:31
There's no time to rest.
01:18:32
Um, you could check out my YouTube channel if you want to check out any of these prospects.
01:18:38
If your team drafted a player and you don't know that much about him, I probably did a pretty in depth scouting breakdown on them.
01:18:45
So, uh, that's hard Would herald on, uh, YouTube.
01:18:49
You could follow me magazine that I released, uh, about I don't know, week two weeks ago, Something like that.
01:19:04
The physical copies sold out, Um, so you could get the pdf version.
01:19:10
It's a dollar, which it's, like, 44 pages. Something like that.
01:19:14
Um, it's got player write ups articles for some from some really great writers.
01:19:19
Um, yourself included, uh, you know, interviews.
01:19:23
Um, just some other really fun stuff.
01:19:26
And I tried.
01:19:27
I tried, um, like a pay for you want pay what you want thing.
01:19:32
And they were like, No, it has to be like a dollar, or that's the cheapest ticket big on the site that I'm using. I'm using gum road.
01:19:38
And like eso, I try to make it free.
01:19:40
I couldn't So dollars achieve.
01:19:41
It's like I could make it.
01:19:42
So it's a dollar, but you get an instant download of the pdf, Um, and that's kind of like, you know, the latest stuff I've been working on and the magazine is gonna continue.
01:19:53
We're really I think that's probably the will be the move, but Yeah, it's really fun.
01:20:02
I did artwork for it, and it's, like, really fun and vibrant and makes you feel like Nickelodeon meets.
01:20:10
Saved by the bell meets like Thrasher magazine meets NBA inside stuff like Total Like Throwback Nineties five Time.
01:20:20
So it zone? Yeah.
01:20:21
I mean, look like I got I was lucky to blessed with two of the two little pieces of art that you together in, what, two minutes today? He said e mean magazines, magazines, magazines got, like time and work into it. So that's what I'm saying.
01:20:36
So this is what you're getting right here.
01:20:37
If you're listening to this, you're not gonna understand if you're watching this.
01:20:40
This is This is a slight work for him.
01:20:43
Things better than anything I've ever done in my life? Graphically s.
01:20:47
Oh, yeah.
01:20:48
I mean, you obviously huge fan of your work.
01:20:51
That's the stuff you do scouting wise. It's great.
01:20:53
A great basketball minds just Yeah, I mean, keep doing what you're doing, and it's just a It's a pleasure to, you know, I've told you a million times how much I love your writing.
01:21:08
I can't wait to read it.
01:21:10
Uh, you know, in the context of this season, which is just turn into total chaos from the Nets perspective and like, ah, beautiful way.
01:21:17
Who knows what is going to happen from here with all of the hardened rumors and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I really like the move they need in the draft.
01:21:26
We didn't even talk their pick and got Landry Shammond, which I, um, which I look.
01:21:33
I thought he was missing his last year. He's great.
01:21:36
He's a guy toe playoff of Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving.
01:21:40
You know, run off screens do a lot of that stuff.
01:21:42
I think that's a really good uh, and Steve Nash is a guy who knows how to use shooters.
01:21:47
You know, he loved his shooters, but his playing days, sure he's gonna be able to put him in position to succeed.
01:21:53
I thought it was was a great move, getting a guy who's still on a cheap, great move by the Nets s Oh, yeah, I'm excited, Thio, to see how you handle the season.
01:22:27
I'm sure you're going to have a tremendous amount of work.
01:22:30
Yeah, no, it'll be a fun year.
01:22:35
I'm excited for it.
01:22:36
I'm excited for free agency will be good.
01:22:38
I'm we're hitting that point a week.
01:22:40
I'm like, man, we got two more days of this. Look.
01:22:43
Hello? So I mean, it'll be fun.
01:22:45
But I appreciate that.
01:22:47
Yeah, I'm excited.
01:22:48
I'm sure we'll be connected again.
01:22:49
Corey, my friend, Thank you for coming.

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