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Everyone's favorite Dolphins fan, Kevin Garrard.
So, Kevin, let's start with you.
How you doing tonight? I'm good bunny.
I'm glad to be the favorite.
I mean, there's only one, so it's kind of like, you know, e one, but I think you're the only Dolphins fan I know.
I think you like dolphins fan. I know.
Yeah, it's there's There's not a lot of us in bills.
Fanatics are territory here.
Do you know any Dolphins fans? Yeah, I dio guy that I went to high school with.
I worked with throughout high school.
Him and his sister, uh, their parents are from Florida, but they live in North Carolina now.
Big Dolphins fans and he actually like intern as, like, a athletic trainer for the Bucks as well.
So he's, uh, he's been around the Florida teams.
Eso he's really the only He's really the only Dolphins fan I really know.
Well, besides, Kev, but yeah, not too many.
You guys were being serious.
I thought Hard time.
No, I no, no Dolphins fan.
A single dolphins e don't know, a single one.
E think because you guys were young and you guys missed the error of the starter jacket because on the night when everyone has a starter adjustment.
Yeah, I started New York and I got the Charlotte Hornets starter jacket.
That was the thing, man, where I like That was like the starter jacket.
But but no, man, I'm 35.
I'm up there I'm kinda up there.
Yeah, I'm only 30.
I missed the starter jacket face. We are.
We are joined tonight by a whole bunch of regulars.
We got Travis PSINet in the house.
Ryan Teel Scott Blakely, Bills fan, 1970 Matthew Rojansky who was in it like noon today with a question so I'm gonna lead it off with his question today.
Spino 481 Jeffrey Green PJ tie Richard sees in the house.
Uh, Richard Forbes.
Len Brown Bills Guys in Joshua Thornton.
Ryan Teel I know I saw a guy Richard Brian Bowers in the house So lonely Randy Hardman.
We are ready to roll tonight and this is like I think the dolphins air in our head because this is, I think, the third night in a row we've done a dolphin Show me.
Oh, it's a by week.
We've got nothing to really talk about.
I think we've just about talking about everything.
So now our focus is on the dolphins.
I know That's the game I'm watching this weekend.
Dolphins versus versus Brett.
How lucky can that get? Drew? Lock my play.
Yeah, I heard he was at practice today, and he was just like throwing drills like not obviously.
Well, quarterbacks never get hit, but he was playing today.
Looks there's a good chance he could play.
Well, here's my my first question to you, Kev.
It's the resident Finn cider.
Is that right that I call you a fin cider? Is that too cheesy? Sure e gave you that nickname on Twitter today without ever asking you your permission.
Um, but the biggest talking point, at least in bills Mafia, a lot of ah fans.
And they say that the dolphins are on Lee winning in ways that aren't sustainable.
They're getting turnovers.
They're playing great special teams.
They're getting good field position.
Do you buy into that narrative that the Miami Dolphins are going to come back down to Earth? Or is this team the real deal legit? Mhm.
Well, two parts, right? One.
I do think that they're playing a little bit above themselves.
They will come back to Earth.
But the narrative that the Bills fans have crafted is baffling to me.
So what are we talking about? What What are these unsustainable turnovers like So basically, we're just talking about the Rams game.
Is that it? Because we scored 34 points.
We did have a defensive touchdown against Arizona, but we scored 27 MAWR offensive points.
There was only there was only the one turnover.
That kid, How do you win by that game we won by three or yeah, you touchdown might have been the difference.
Yeah, but the point would be like, Oh, they're on Lee scoring because their defense and their special teams, right? Well, we didn't have any special teams.
So does that mean every time Buffalo scores a touchdown off of off of a good Andre Roberts return, it doesn't count? I mean, wow, we can't That's not sustainable.
Well, of course it is just because Miami's got a good field goal kicker, you know what I mean? That's that's sustainable.
So the game against the Rams that was a perfect storm.
Obviously, that's not.
You can't expect that.
We had one turnover against Arizona.
We had two turnovers against the 40 Niners, but we put up 43 points we had.
We lost the turnover battle to the Jets, but we beat them 20 for nothing.
It's nice to see a team score against the Jets, and we had one turnover and a blocked punt against.
The Chargers scored 29 points.
So and the turnover didn't like it was, Ah, pick near the end of the game by Eggs Avian Howard to seal it.
We were already the game was already decided.
What didn't even happen.
So are all these plays like that's the only reason.
Do people know that Miami's has outscored Buffalo this year in a per game basis? So it's just because of the three defensive touchdowns over a nine game sample.
It seems kind of odd, like I think this is a bit of Ah, this is a bit of a salt, a salty take.
I think Miami is not winning because they've got four or five turnovers to getting one or two.
There just happened to turn those turnovers in a big place.
But you know, if you're saying that a team can't win because of good special teams and defense, then I guess the Bills last season were a fluke because you guys one on the back of your defense and special teams and that was sustainable for what 10 wins in a playoff appearance.
Not seeing the built Miami is a great team.
That's a separate question.
I think that they're not a complete team.
I don't think there is good is the Bills.
I think they will stumble with one of these next three games.
But, um, this turnover issue, this is just something made up.
Okay, let me ask you this question.
Do you think the Miami Dolphins this year are as good or better than the Bills team last from last year? Oh, um, that's a good one.
I think that they're better on special teams.
Uh, I always joke that we have a great kicker and punter, but we actually really do have a really good kicker and punter Chicken Grant.
I think that our defense it's not as no, I would say no, I would say Miami does not have as good a team.
Is the Bills last year? Yeah, and I think that's where I kind of start thinking about this Miami team as and up and coming team.
You know, Stephen, I talked before the season about you know, the sustainability or the longevity staying power of the teams in the NFC East heading into this season.
And obviously we were high on the Bills right with Josh Allen and expect him to take a, you know, hoping that he would take the jump this year and obviously expecting that our defense would be maybe not quite as good as it was last year, but comparable.
And then we look around the division and we say, Well, the Pats are going through like quarterback issues.
They've lost Tom Brady.
They've been gutted on defense.
They've had, you know, no weapons on offense.
Obviously, Jacoby Meyers is a good story this year.
But then you look at the Jets and they were going to be a train wreck with Adam gays leading help.
So you turn to Miami and you say, This is really the team.
That's the biggest threat.
Probably, um, in the division, you know, as far as like sustainability and longevity, drafting to a getting those nice pieces on defense, respecting Brian Florida's is a head coach, so I don't find it to be a surprise that Miami is right on the Bills heels this year because I think that's kind of how I mean, at least how I kind of figured it would pan out if the Pats weren't going to be the Pats of old.
It was likely going to be the Bills there and then Miami kind of right on their heels.
I just think Bills fans are salty because of a number of reasons.
One, the Lost last week is still salty for Bills fans.
Miami's been beating teams, Um, some of these close games like the Cardinals ones, and they're just kind of there, just kind of their like, you know, this is not going to be maybe that easy walk to the division title that Bills fans were hoping for because Miami still hanging around and both teams have, you know, almost similar difficulty and schedules the rest of the year.
I think Miami's might be a little bit easier, but they're still there, and we still got to play each other week 17.
So I think that's how I That's why I think Bills fans are a little salty with Miami right now because they're a threat right.
There are real threat and that's why you know, we could laugh at the job and we don't take the Patriots as seriously.
It's because Miami is the threat.
That's that's what it comes down to.
Miami is a threat, and they they that wind that we had against them earlier this year when we thought that maybe should have been, um, or convincing win we were losing in that game, maybe turns out, actually was a pretty good win, because Miami is better than than we thought they were going to be, right? You know Richard Forbes in the comments section, he says, I mean, somebody has to be on her heels.
Listen, the NFC East literally.
There's not a single good team in that division, like it's possible that there's three bad teams in division.
Why can't the Buffalo Bills have it this morning? That's what I'm looking at.
But yeah, like the Dolphins air in my head right now, they are in my head.
I can't stop thinking about that team, and I can't wait to watch them on Sunday because I'm interested in getting an up close look at them and their next three games.
Kevin, I wanna talk to you about their next three games at Denver.
They may or may not.
Denver have drew lock at the New York Jets who kind of showed a pulse against the Patriots before bye week and verse Joe Burrow in the Cincinnati Bengals.
Do you see them tripping up in these three games? Three games in which they will be favored? I mean, an eight game winning streak is really hard to do in the National Football League.
Can you see them winning all three of these games? Are they going to trip up? Yeah, that's how I look at it, too.
So I look at it as if I looked at each game individually.
I would say that Miami should win each game, but the thought of Miami going on an eight game winning streak is so for and like, I just can't see it.
They're not that good of a team.
They're an excellent, very well coached.
Um, they don't beat themselves.
For all the talk about how the turnovers aren't sustainable, they are not turning the ball over either.
But that's kind of been a staple since before is took over.
They also don't beat themselves with penalties, their fourth in the league and fewest penalties.
But again, Miami winning eight games.
This is the team that part of my theory on why the Bills fans orbit salty is because this is supposed to be your year right.
Last year, everyone, Miami was supposed to be the worst team in the history of the league, like Steve Young's on the air, talking about how it's morally reprehensible, that we're putting these players out there during a tank to get injured and stuff like that.
And here we are one year later, and now you know they see the easy schedule.
We could go on a run, but I can't see it.
I if I had the bed, I would say maybe two and one.
I think the Bengals would be They could easily win in Denver.
It's never easy to go in Denver, and they could easily lose to the Bengals because they have a lot of their offensive lines crap.
But they have a lot of talent elsewhere in Burrows is playing outstanding.
I think they'll beat the Jets.
Yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm holding out hope that the Jets, uh, wake up a little bit since we're done playing them, uh, the worst.
They play the better draft pick they get.
We don't want them to land Trevor.
Um, but, yeah, it's, Ah, that brings us to the last four games where they have to go and they they're at home.
But they have Kansas City and Patrick Mahomes.
They have New England who we all you know, thought was dead.
But they showed some signs of life beating the Ravens, and Bill Belichick is still Bill Belichick at Las Vegas at Buffalo.
That's a tough final four games for anything, regardless of how good they are.
What is your confidence for the Miami Dolphins playing against tougher opponents, teams that there may be squaring up against as opposed to teams that they're punching down to? I think they'll lose to the Chiefs.
Um, I think that they have a shot against New England.
It is in Miami, but it's gonna be a tough game.
It's always a tough game, but keep in mind, uh, we always beat them in Miami.
Um, or at least we always usually beat him once a year.
And that was with Brady, right? Um, but it's a tough game.
I could easily see them using that.
I actually think that they have a good shot against the Raiders.
I don't think I think the Raiders air good team, but keep in mind we're not winning.
Close games were not where the Bills plus seven point differential something like that were plus 77.
We're not beating.
These teams were destroying the ramps where we destroyed the 40 Niners.
So, like, it's not just, like were eking out wins against bums.
Are we beating some bum teams? Absolutely.
Um, I trying to say there are powerhouse team.
No, but I think they're good enough.
If you convert the 40 Niners 43 to 17, I think you can hang in with the with.
The Raiders were going to get destroyed by Buffalo and Buffalo.
It's not gonna be close.
We're gonna bring in Miami, team up to Buffalo and negative 6000.
Yes, there's no can to a handle because the next thing I want to talk about is to, uh you think to it could handle playing in conditions like buffalo.
I don't Well, crowd noise isn't going to affect him.
But this year I'm talking about that.
That boy I don't got the wind.
It z yeah, I don't know.
I mean a lot of what they do is quick, short passing games and a lot of what their transition to is like an R P o offense.
So in a lot of what they do right now is 12 person else.
There's a lot of two tight ends.
It's a lot of, you know, quick passing that sort of stuff.
They're mixing in some Wildcat.
They've got those two guys, the two young Rooks there, Lynn Bowden Junior.
And they got Malcolm Perry, the former Navy Q B.
They're bringing these guys in and running Cem Wildcats stuff, so maybe that's something they can try.
And Buffalo You guys have been susceptible to the run this year, but, um, but, yeah, I've never seen two.
I don't know if he's even played in the snow before.
Uh, it's a concern for sure.
Yeah, everyone you mentioned 12 personnel.
Everyone talks about Mike Kasicky.
I love Adam Shaheen, and they gave him a nice extension.
He is a great number two tight end.
I wish Buffalo's number two tight end was his reliable as Adam Shaheen.
He's having himself quite a second half of the season.
Yeah, he's actually her third tight end because the blocking, what's the blocking tight ends.
Um, but it's good you have.
They love the multiple tight end set, right? So when you have, like, a crappy or offensive line like our guys air so young, right? We have three rookies, that airplane prominent roles.
Um, so you use the extra tight end for the blocking.
And I like him, too.
They signed him to an extension, and he's he's He's good, He's big.
He's a good red zone threat.
He could move better than you would think of this size.
And he works while he compliments my kasicky.
Well, they, um, they put, they inserted Robert Hunt into the starting lineup, didn't they? Or is he still on the bench? They took him out.
So he was starting for a while.
Yeah, So when Austin Jackson got hurt, they moved Davis the right tackle toe left tackle, and they put hunting it right tackle.
But now that Davis is back, sorry, Jackson's back from injury hunts kind of playing on the bench.
Mostly, they still mix him in.
He still plays goal line.
He still plays a few every now and then, but for the most part, he's he's on the bench.
How'd my boy do? How'd my boy do? Was he okay? He did.
I still think he's on draft.
Oh, I was not happy, you know, It wasn't happy they took him. Yeah.
Remember who I wanted.
The defensive end from Boise State.
I wanna Winfield, Jr.
You want to safety? You loved Ashton Davis, too.
Yeah, I love Dash.
And that's why I flipped out when they took Raekwon.
Davis and I wanted Ashton Davis.
And then he goes to the Jets of all people.
God, I wanna ask you, Kev, about Lynn Bowden, right? Because obviously, that was a trade that happened before the season started with the Raiders.
Um, he's only played, I believe, in four games so far this year with the Dolphins, so they've obviously are bringing him on slowly.
But do you expect now with Preston Williams on IR that we might see a little bit more of Lynn Bowden in the next couple weeks? Um, being utilized, you know, in multiple ways, whether it's as a running back or as a receiver.
I know, you know, they brought him in to play receiver, but it seems like they're willing to kind of put them in different positions.
You know, outside of Devante Parker.
Um, you know, there's been some contributions from Ford, and obviously Shaheen we talked about Kosecki has been a little bit up and down this year.
Lately, hasn't done much.
Is it time now for Lynn Bowden to kind of start seeing the field in a meaningful way? Um, and is he ready? I'm not sure because they brought him in in the season, right? So he missed all the Install.
He missed all the training camp, and then he actually got put on the co vid list.
So that's why he missed another game kind of thing.
Um, and it looks for now that Malcolm Perry's kind of past him is the slot receiver and that it's Jack Keane.
Grant, who scored last week, who's getting the majority of the reps.
They also really like Mac Hollins.
The old Eagles cast off.
They brought him over, and he's been awesome for us, is like a special teams gunner, but he's been getting a lot of snap, so I'm not quite sure.
I mean, Lynn Bowden, uh, he's gotta learn the offense.
E think they're trying to figure out where they wanna put him.
I think ultimately he'll be a slot receiver.
Um, so we'll see.
But I definitely would love to get because Miami's got no speed right? Other than Matt Brady, who's missed the last couple of games? Um, they have No, they have no real speeds s.
So they need to keep grand.
They need them about and they need these guys on the field so that they don't have to plod up and down.
Are you surprised at all the recent, um, release of Jordan Howard? He hadn't really been playing a ton anyway.
He was an active for several games, and he's obviously is yards per carry, where atrocious.
And, um, you know, cause he was a guy that builds some bills fans May.
We were thinking to bring in as a complementary guy, obviously before the draft.
And we drafted Zach Moss, but as a complementary guy, too.
Um, how did you feel when the Dolphins signed Jordan Howard? And like where? Like where did you kind of end up on him as the season kind of went along? Because obviously breed has been injured.
Gaskin was doing pretty well until he got hurt.
And now you've got Ahmed.
Is that his name? The rookie Myles Gaskins back up in Washington.
And, uh, and Laird, right? Is kind of like a your version of Rex Burkhead.
It seems like eso you who's the other guy that used to play for them? Uh, the Jets would head.
He reminds me of Danny Woodhead. Yeah.
Larry is a bigger boy, though, isn't he, Like 612 20 or something like that? No, he's a bigger guy.
Two or five or something like he's not.
He's not a big lad.
Um, so you don't care to see him go? I guess.
No, we didn't bother.
So he would have been better fit in Buffalo.
To be honest, he could have taken that Frank Gore type role that you had last year, but with a little bit more pop.
The problem is, is that Miami's offensive line? Um, their their offense, right.
It's a new coordinator.
Chan Gailey came in this year, so they run a lot of whenever they have success.
It seems it's kind of these outside or these counters these wind back runs.
And that's just not Jordan Howard's game.
And the guys in the like our our linemen can't sustain their blocks in the run game, so he just doesn't have the burst to get through anymore.
Like he used Thio.
So he was a healthy scratch for quite a few games, so it makes no difference to us.
Alright, I got I got a question for you.
Because, like I said, this Miami teams in my head Uh, first of all, Jack Keane.
Grant was my boy.
Back in the day.
I want I wanted the Bills to draft a keen grant.
I was standing on a table screaming for Jack Keane.
I said he was He should have drafted in the first, you know, four rounds.
Hey, and I'm going What? Fifth round? You keep Grant.
You guys got him a little later than that? Yeah.
I mean, the dude just a playmaker.
But Preston Williams has gone miles.
Gaskins is gone.
I think that there's probably as the weeks progressed, the pressure is going to be on to, um, or to deliver what is to are doing well right now.
And what's he's struggling with.
If he's struggling with anything, Um, he's doing pretty well right now.
I I wasn't a huge fan of his game last week.
He played well against the Cardinals like he played very well against the Cardinals.
Hey, did what was asked.
He has yet to throw an interception.
He fumbled on his very first plays, a pro there.
Aaron Donald got him.
And there hasn't been a turnover since.
He's not turning the ball over.
He's making plays down the field like he's the one that threw the touchdown there to Mac Collins in the end zone to basically win the game.
Um, he's playing well.
He's not playing like a superstar, anything like that.
But he's playing well.
I mean, against the Rams, it was 28 7 halfway through the second quarter.
So everyone, all the Bills fans are circling the 98 yards like always terrible, and it's like, Well, how Maney passes.
Do you think they're gonna ask a kid to throw in his very first start when you're up 28 7? You know, obviously they're not gonna They're not gonna ask him to throw so against the Cardinals.
They needed them to throw, and the offense put up 27 points.
And then last week, once again, they got a big.
They should have been.
They should have.
They manhandled the Chargers.
I don't know if you saw that game, but they should have went up 21.
And Ted caress rolls a snap across the fumble, gets picked up and brought back, and all of a sudden it's 14 7 and it's kind of a ball game instead of 21 zip.
But I had there was the game was never really in doubt.
They I think they made it 17 14 at one time, and then Miami just kind of took over.
So then the whole fourth quarter, all they did was run the ball because they had a big lead.
And when Miami's defense is playing well, did you see what Keenan Allen said? He said that they were so confused as to what the Dolphins were doing to them on offense.
They were running the ball so that a catastrophe wouldn't happen.
So why? Why are you asking? You know you're not gonna ask to it a law, you know? You know 50 passes downfield.
When the games in hand, Our our film guy, Clay TROIA, he mentioned that he's watched a couple of the games, and he notices that to a rolls out to his left a lot because he's left handed quarterback.
And he mentioned that one of the ways defense's might be able to start attacking to UH is by loading up the left hand side of the line of scrimmage and and blitzing from that side and forcing to add to his right.
Do you see that is maybe a way to start.
At least you think that's a way that defensive coordinators like Vic Fangio and Greg Williams might start trying to counter to, uh, and are you worried about him hitting a wall? As defensive coordinators get more and more film on him, I think every quarterback eventually hits a bit of a wall, right.
They find when you're a rookie, that's that's kind of what happens.
You find a bit of a groove and you figure out start to settle what you like, and then defense is catch up, so I think inevitably it will happen.
I'm not too worried about the specific rollouts because if you notice on those plays 90% of the time, I think they're almost want defense is to do that because Devante Parker's on the right hand side of the field.
So if you start overloading the left hand side and coming at him that way, you're leaving Devante Parker one on one.
And I like that matchup all there.
That's a great point E um, because do you have confidence? And to, as as the long term, like what you've seen so far, I know you liked him in college.
What you've seen so far does this give you confidence that he's going to be the guy in Miami like your early gut reaction to what you think about to his future? I haven't seen enough to give you a definitive answer, but my gut tells me what I do like Is he similar to like, you know, Josh Allen? When Josh Allen was struggling kind of as a pastor's first couple years, there was something about him in eight, an innate calmness that I also see into, uh, he doesn't get rattled.
Did you see the play where they've rolled the snap to him again? And he just picked it up and threw a 30 yard past.
Like, literally picked it up off the shotgun.
Turnaround through like a beautiful pass to Devante Parker.
Devante Parker is an elite.
Why did he own Trey White last year? Name is so, uh, what do you know what I mean? Like, he's picking it up and he just he shows ah, sense that it's the game's not too big for him.
He's not gonna get rattled.
He's not going to get overwhelmed, at least like emotionally.
If he's is he gonna be good enough? Is he gonna be durable enough? Is he gonna have the arm strength? I don't know yet. We'll have to, Seymour.
But at least mentally up there, I think that he's He's shown that he can stay calm when the blitz happens.
He can stay calm when they try and pressure because they were trying to blitz him a lot like they do every rookie.
And he's not getting rattled by that.
So that's encouraging to me.
Sorry, E what I've noticed about two and some of these other first round quarterbacks, and obviously they're all talented, right? But I've noticed.
It seems like a trend for these first round quarterbacks is they all have that that's a characteristic as well.
For some of these guys that becomes successful.
Like Joe Burrow is Joe cool.
He's like the new new Joe. Cool.
Um, Justin Herbert.
He's like a calm, quiet guy, but he never seems like he's really rattled to is the same way.
I really like Thio.
I think he's gonna be a problem in the division.
I mean, Peer made a good comment, right? Let's see how, um, to adjust to when teams adjust to him.
But I think based on from what I've seen, like he's gonna have the mental mental capacity and the mental sort of fortitude Thio handle that.
So it's just gonna be a matter of whether or not that can translate into, you know, the actual execution on the field.
And I think it will.
I actually think who is going to be good and I mean, people are going to say, Yeah, I think some people are meant making comments like, Well, we should have drafted Herbert.
But let's let's be realistic here, like Herbert has way better.
He has a better offensive line than to a. He's got a bet.
He's got better weapons in two.
I think generally, if you talk about Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, Hunter, Henry, um, he had Austin Heckler.
So like, I don't think it's really fair to compare those two.
And they were drafted back to back.
So it's like, really just preference at that point.
Um, so, yeah, if I'm if I'm Kev, I'm sitting here thinking I've liked what I've seen, but it's a very small sample size.
Now let's keep it.
Let's keep progressing right.
And that's kind of like, I think, how people thought about Josh Allen as he started his rookie year.
And then, you know, the sample size was small.
We saw some flashes to a.
We'll see what he does the rest of the year.
I think those last four games they're going to be are going to be a great indicator, kind of how his confidence in how he's going to be looking at in the year two because those last four games are tough and who knows Miami.
As of right now, there'll be a playoff team, so he might even get a playoff experience under his belt as a rookie, which obviously will go a long way as well.
I wanna pull up this comment from Robert Tubs because I know I know what Kevin's thoughts were predraft.
Robert Tub says to is garbage should have drafted Herbert.
You guys missed out bad.
I know you were a to a guy in the predraft process, you weren't.
Ah, Herbert Guy.
Has Herbert done enough throughout this season to maybe make you second guess, uh, to over Herbert or is too? Was still your guy over.
Herbert two is still, like, over. Herbert.
Um, I think Herbert has exceeded my expectations for him.
He's come along better, I think, though, that Sandy it was a great destination for him because he, uh, he's got guys like Mike Williams and all these skill position guys, and I think that he's playing well.
But did you watch him last week against Miami? Man, he was brutal.
He was completely befuddled.
Everything that I said I didn't like about Justin Herbert showed up against Miami. Everything.
He was rattled by the blitz.
There's a couple of plays where Miami blitz them and he had a guy like uncovered and he just lobbed the ball 15 yards out of the back of the end zone.
It was a blown coverage.
There's no one around him. There's multiple place, though.
It interception by eggs. Avian.
Howard, What was he thinking? Like he was thoroughly confused.
And when? If you can confuse him and if you can rattle him, I don't think he can pull it together.
I think that he's always thought he was a fantastic physical specimen, like he's got a great arm.
He's fairly mobile.
He can run, But I just I think he doesn't have the same thing upstairs at Herbert and to a do, Uh, sorry that Burrows into a do on.
I would still take two over him.
Now, who knows again? I'm basing this off of three games I've seen two of, but we'll see.
Yeah, I think that my mind has changed because I did have to over Herbert in the predraft process, mostly because I didn't really, you know, the one game I attended of Herbert.
He threw four interceptions versus the University of Arizona, and it seems like every time I turned on Herbert.
He was having his worst game ever, So I never really saw the Justin Herbert highlight reel.
I always saw the low light, really, because whenever I turn on the game, he played bad.
So hopefully when they play the Bills and I turned that game on, he's gonna play bad.
But now that I see him in the NFL and he's out there physically looking Mawr like Josh Allen, my mind is sort of changing a little bit on.
Allen has changed my mind on what I look for in a quarterback, I think, because if you get these Mawr, maybe physical specimens in today's National Football League and you give them the time and you put the weapons around them like I feel like there's more of a shot for a guy like that to succeed than a guy like to like, you're betting on to a you're betting on him constantly having the supporting cast he needs and you're you're betting on His processing and the scheme toe overcome his sort of physical in capabilities, and so I just feel like maybe the shot for Herbert to hit is higher because of those physical tools and I think Josh Allen has really, maybe sort of start to rethink how I look at the quarterback.
Yeah, like he hear what you're saying, but it's the same you're saying like Herbert looks great because you put him with a great cast in the NFL.
Well, let's see what two it looks like with a great cast in the NFL.
You know what I mean? Like, he's got basically what we just went over and he's got his 4th and 5th string running backs.
He's got his second wide out his hurt.
He has an incomplete offensive line that's rookies there, trying to get the ball of quick so that he's not giving up a ton of sacks like, and he's still doing pretty and he's still doing pretty well.
So, like, and and these physical limitations that we're talking about his arm is just a strong is Joe Burrows, if not stronger? So where we going with that? He can throw a deep ball. Justus.
Well, does he have Herberts physical gifts? No, But not many quarterbacks do like Herberts up there for arm talent, like not as high, but he's like in that, you know, Alan and Mahomes type for just pure arm strength and stuff like that.
Um, to is never gonna have that.
But I don't need that.
You know what I mean? If if to it turns in to be like a Drew Brees, um, you know that type of player, then I'm happy with it.
His mobility is a little bit underrated.
He's not gonna run for 1000 yards.
He's not a threat to take off and go for 100 but he can.
He can avoid the rush and he can roll out.
And he can throw really well on the run.
Um, so we'll see.
I get your point, though, Steve, I get your point.
Because there with Herbert you mentioned you mentioned Drew Brees like my thought process.
Just strictly like maybe like Moneyball like this is like a dumb man's ****ytics.
This is not a smart man's ****ytics, but like a dumb man's ****ytics.
How many Drew Brees is are there because there aren't a lot of Drew Brees is in my mind.
I looked at a quarterback like Drew Brees and I think who else is like him? I struggle to think of a name, but when I look at Justin Herbert, I think Joe Flacco had success in Baltimore.
Um, you know Josh Allen? I think of all these big, armed, bigger court Ben Roethlisberger.
I start like I can.
When I looked at Justin Herbert, I can compare him to guys who've had success in the National Football League when I see two, Uh, the Onley guy I can really point at is Drew Brees, and then that's it.
Like that's all I can think of.
Um, someone just said Kyler Murray.
But Kyler Murray is just such a freaking athletic freak.
Um, his run game makes Kyle his ability to run.
What he is now to, um, might have some decent pocket escape ability, and you mentioned a decent ability to run, but he's nowhere near the athlete.
Kyler Murray was Kyler.
Murray was a five star athlete.
Could have played baseball all of these things, so that that's that's my biggest issue with with to, uh, is I just other than Drew Brees, I'm struggling to find a comparable like, whereas with a guy like Herbert Williams, that sorry Russell Wilson, he's built like Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson doesn't have.
Ah, canon of our arm.
I'm not saying he's gonna be Russell Wilson, his Russell Wilson phenomenal.
He's probably the best quarterback in the NFL, and like when he walks into the building, you get 10 wins.
I'm not trying to say that, but if you're just looking at, uh, like you're naming guys that who are the upper reaches of what Herbert could be right.
So the upper reaches of heat to me is again.
You got your your Wilson's your breeze.
He's a different quarterback than Murray Murray's better, better physical player.
There's no question there.
Marie's off an athletic marvel like he's crazy.
But, I mean, we're talking ceilings, right? If you were to get your ceiling because at the end of the day, I need my quarterback to be able to hit the wide receivers when he's open, I need him to see it, and I need him to hit it, and I need him to be accurate.
I don't care if you can throw the ball 70 yards.
There may be four plays a year where you gotta throw a ball 70 yards, but every play you're throwing the ball, you need anticipation.
you need recognition and you need accuracy.
And I think that two is easily better than Herbert In all three of those things.
Can Herbert or beat him in a race? Absolutely.
Can he throw the ball further? Absolutely.
And again? I'm not trying to trash Herbert.
I was before the draft, but he's shown that he can succeed in the NFL.
And he's physically gifted, Absolutely.
But for everything that you name that Herbert could do, I I can show you something that that, too, I could do better in another area.
So I think it's close.
I think if I, you know, if I had my pick, I would have picked Borough and then I would have picked to, and then I would have picked Herbert.
And I'm not going to change my stance after, you know, not even half a season of seeing each of them.
All right, Pierre Pierre Simon in because we're in the quarterback, talk to you so well up here.
Get something off his chest, he says.
I found the perfect calm for Josh Allen.
Whenever you guys are ready for it, hit us with this.
We're seeing in I said the number years like a year ago.
I said, the ceiling for Josh Allen.
Who? I see him as everyone was going on about Cam Newton.
I said, the best version of him.
Uh, yeah, I'll do a little bit better.
I've seen the best version of him is John Elway.
I was gonna say the same thing as you.
Yeah. John Elway.
These comparisons to McNabb because quite a few people have made this comparison.
Now, Uh, if he turns into Don McNabb, I'm gonna be ****ed off because Donovan McNabb was a league average quarterback.
He had a couple of good seasons, but, I mean, the dude fizzled out real quick.
You know, I was a huge Syracuse family.
Don McNabb played.
You know, I you know, I liked.
I liked watching him play.
But man, I have.
So I have higher hopes for Josh Allen.
Then then Donovan McNabb like no offensive diamond nap I have.
I have higher hopes for him than that.
His l Where was that guy that could extend the play? He was really athletic.
He was also another guy.
What was the first round for Major League Baseball on then, you know, he had the cannon for an arm.
He started off his career throwing a ton of interceptions, and he kind of reined it in as the seasons went on and he became a Hall of Famer.
But to me, that's That's who you wanna be like.
If you're Josh Allen, that's that's who you want.
You want, you know, Hall of Famer like John Elway.
All right, So we got Pierre clapping back.
He says, Dude went thio.
Five straight NFC title games.
Dude was a **** M V P.
And Randy Harmon comes in with Baghdad was solid for like eight years.
All right, that's fine.
I mean, to me, in the perfect world, if I were, if if I were the Bills, I would love for Josh Allen.
T do what Josh Allen is doing now be that guy who's a multifaceted player.
But I also here's what McNabb didn't do.
McNabb didn't age well, and once McNabb sort of athletic abilities went away, so did diving McNabb.
You saw him in Minnesota.
You saw him in Washington.
I would love it if Josh Allen and this is getting far ahead could mature even when he loses the athletic ability into Ben Roethlisberger.
Because I see Ben Roethlisberger is still out there on to bum knees.
You know, just absolutely slinging rock down the field, Thio wide receivers and still finding the open guys and being an effective quarterback in the National Football League.
So I would love it if Josh Allen could hit a ceiling and B and M v P candidate for for 3456 years and then mature into a guy like I mean, it'll guy like Ben Rosberg and Elway did the same thing, right? I mean, at the end of his career, I mean, Elway got his Super Bowls at the very tail end of his career and any athletic like most of his athletic ability and like he scrambled a little bit.
I mean, he's still when he had to, he found a way right at the end, and I think that if that's what if that's what Alan could do as he ages, then that would be fine.
I like the Ben Roethlisberger comparison.
I think we made the comparison on this show before that he we also thought maybe he was like a mixture of Elway and Brett Farve.
You know, a combination of those two guys.
Obviously, we're just talking about singular comparisons here, but I kind of like the Elway comparison more than the far of comparison.
Even though, um, you know, Josh has mentioned that he's kind of, you know, far was kind of an idol of his, and he's kind of modeled his game someone after far.
But I think Elway, to me, was the more steady, probably the more steady quarterback throughout his career, in the far of numbers wise, maybe had at the end of his career more touchdown passes, whatever.
Um, you know, they each did it a different, a slightly different way, but they each got rings, right.
So, um, you know, I'd be happy with either of those. McNabb.
I'm kind of like and like, and him like, I don't think you wanna have.
Ah, I don't think you wanna have that situation where you go to, like, four straight NFC or four straight NFC title games, and you don't make it out.
Or maybe you make one Super bowl with Josh Allen, and you don't win like you don't want that to be.
You know, obviously we're talking about, like, team team success at that point, but, yeah, you don't want to go that route.
What about this? Jason Tucker says to his Mark Brunell, What do your thoughts there? Well, he's left handed.
So you know his name.
Let's just name all the left handed quarterback Mike Vick.
Um, well, he's not like that, but he's like the opposite of Mike Vick.
It's kind of funny, but the I don't know, like did we have to just limit him the left handed quarterbacks that kind of makes him. Either.
He either has to be Mark Brunell or Steve Young, boomer size and, you know, like, Come on, uh, it's I'm just still reading Piers.
Dude, we're We're talking John Elway like we're talking a Hall of Famer and you're bringing up a guy who's like a Pro Bowl player like it's cool, like no one's saying McNabb was a bum, but we're talking about this is your dream scenario.
This is what you think cream.
Bigger people wants to hit their ceiling and be a decent quarterback like a nup.
ER top 10 quarterback in the league.
You wanna be a top 10 quarterback of all time, right? That's the DRI.
That's the ceiling.
And for someone who calls Alan captain, clutch or whatever, come back clutch.
He or whatever he does, that's what always known for right.
He's known for the drive he's known for his late game theory tricks.
He's known for all of his comebacks like This Is your tailor made for your own narrative, But you're bringing up Donovan McNabb E Remember a single area in the train green or something? I can't remember a single dime McNabb play.
I can't remember a single 1/4 20.
I can't remember a single Don McNabb game or play.
What about when you threw up E? No, there were ties in football.
But I also think like skill set wise.
I don't know that they're that comparable either.
Like, I don't think like McNabb's arm was okay.
I didn't think it was like phenomenal.
Um, like, stature wise, McNabb wasn't like the tallest dude either.
Like, I mean, he could run yeah, early in his career, but I don't know.
I mean, I I could kind of see it.
I think I've heard a couple other people say it, but I like Elway more.
Let's stick with that one.
That's it. That's a better one for me.
I'm going with the way.
Five l A fire. There you go.
Um, I have one last question for you.
Dolphins Focus before we shift over to the bills and get your perspective on the bills.
What is making the Dolphins defense so good? Right now? Like what? What is making them do the things they do force the turnovers, their force and scoring the points they're scoring.
How? Like they're they're clicking right now.
Like, what are they doing that's making them so dominant? Um, they're confusing teams. They're running.
A lot of, you know, they're running a lot of what looks to be covered.
Zero looks and then they're bailing out of it, and they're either doing cover three or they're doing, you know, cover one or they're doing a bunch of other things.
But what they're trying to do is pretty much it's what floor is. David.
The Patriots a couple years ago writes the same game plan when they crushed the Rams, a couple weeks ago.
It's, you know, they crush them in the Super Bowls the same like defensively.
It's the same same type thing.
It's confusion, and it's predicated on there, uh, to outside corners, examine Howard's healthy again.
Byron Jones is back healthy again, and they're trusting those two guys to kind of lock up on the outside and and play some games.
The free safety they got.
Bobby McCain, who I desperately wanted to replace all off season, has given up 12 yards this year.
I can't explain it, but like he's playing well, Eric Rowe is locking up tight ends like you wouldn't believe Eric Rowe held Kid gave up.
George Kill got one catch on him when they played.
He's playing really well.
He's the guy that they designate to cover all the tight ends, and he's he's killing it right now.
So between the secondary and Emmanuel Agua, who I think has seven socks right now and has had a sack in his last five games, um, they're just they're clicking man e.
But yeah, he was on our wish list.
Yeah, he's, uh, he's racking up two sacks and shock loss is playing pretty well, too, isn't he? I saw you had a touchdown a couple weeks ago.
He's playing like half the snaps.
He's kind of He missed a couple of games there, but he's playing okay.
He's playing like he was in Buffalo, right? He's playing half the snaps.
He's playing well against the run, he sets the edge.
It's kind of what we wanted, because last year, like we were so bad against the run that we paid him a lot of money to come in.
We had a lot of money, and he's got a contract that we could get out of at the end of next year with no penalty cap hits.
But he is doing his job.
We got a couple of young guys that no one knows about.
Like Zack Sealer, who just signed Thio.
An extension is out.
Playing is out playing loss and hands down like he's playing really well.
The guy was more of a guy on the interior, though, isn't he? Or is he an edge? Um, he's like your edge in a 34 and then he slides into tackle DT on like on passing downs.
But like Justus, an overall importance to the game.
He's kind of come out of nowhere to have a really good year.
This that was the highest I think of any defensive lineman last game.
Yeah, well, Wilkins was out because of Kobe did last game, so he didn't play.
So, uh, and even God shout towards biceps.
So he's out for the year.
So pretty much right now, just to him and, uh, Raequan, Raekwon, Davis and then some undrafted rookie Benito Jones, who's playing on the interior.
Someone on here Bills guys and chimes in with Bryan Flores gets No one gives him credit.
What are your thoughts on on on Flores is Ah, you know his his job so far in Miami.
Um, he's the reason we are where we are, right? Um, I think there's a lot of parallels between In and Sean McDermott.
I think that Sean McDermott came in, took over from a buffoon, uh, took a circus and instill the culture.
He went Thio what, nine and seven.
The first year you went to the playoffs, I believe, Is that his first year with Tyrod and that was setting the tone.
So he in a in an era where everyone wants the next big offensive mind.
The Bills and Dolphins went for defensive guy, and it's not just that they're good defensive minds.
Their leaders, they instill.
It sounds crappy.
Just, you know, it sounds phony to say all culture, culture and you, you don't buy it until you experience it, which you guys obviously do.
Everyone on your teams body it, and that's what Floors has got again.
This was a season last year that was almost impossible.
They got rid of every big contract they had accepted.
They traded away everyone.
They traded away.
They trade away Minka.
They trade away all these guys.
This was the worst roster in the NFL easily.
When we went down to Buffalo last year for the first game, the one in at Orchard Park, it was pretty close.
That was the one where Michael Hyde's on Heights Ward on onside kick right.
It was pretty close.
This was the This was like Alan was throwing against Dolphins corners that they literally picked up off the street, that it was your guy.
Actually, Ryan Lewis.
They picked Ryan Lewis up on Thursday.
He was in Sunday.
It was just a garbage team, you know what I mean? And at the end of the year, they went five and four.
Somehow over their last nine games with nothing, Fitzpatrick played really well.
Devante Parker, who? Someone said, You can't have more than one good game to be elite.
By the way, Devante Parker led the A F C and receiving yards last year, but whatever.
And then, uh, other than that they had nothing right gets sick.
He was doing nothing.
He looked like a bust.
And then at the end of the year, they started to started to gel.
They started to score.
They started to do pretty well.
So I think that Floors gets a crazy amount of that credit here because he's taken a terrible roster, remade it in basically one year.
And while I don't think they're on the level with the Bills, I think they're vastly improved.
And I think there are legitimate, you know, nine and 17.
Yeah, I mean, so pretty much like, I have a pretty pretty high respect for the Dolphins and what they're doing and what Bryan Flores has been building their and my take has always been.
They're doing exactly what the Bills did there just one year behind the Buffalo Bills.
But the way they've been playing the last five games and the three next three games they have on the stretch, they really have a chance toe push the Bills.
Not from a record standpoint, but from a roster talent standpoint.
Do you think the Buffalo Bills are closer to the Miami Dolphins, Or do you think the Buffalo Bills are closer to the elite teams of the A F C like Kansas City in Pittsburgh? Who are they closer to at this point? The Buffalo Bills? They're closer to the elite teams.
They're they're they're a lot better than Miami Miami.
The reason Miami is getting all this publicity right now is what I just went over.
They were supposed to be the worst team in the history of the league last year, and here we are.
One year later, there's six and three.
They got, you know, a big name rookie quarterback, and it's a good feel good story.
They'll probably make. Maybe they make the playoffs.
I think they might because of the easy schedule they're gonna get in there letting everyone in the playoffs this year.
Yeah, yeah, they'll get in.
They'll get wiped in the first round.
But it's but I don't care like I expected six and 10 to get in the playoffs.
Even be in contention for the playoffs is fantastic, but the Bills air a legitimate good team.
You guys were not a great team.
You're a fantastic defense.
Your offense was pretty poor.
And you you got in there and you know, you you had your first round exit.
I would love for Miami.
Teoh have the same thing.
Well, obviously, you want to win the Super Bowl.
But if If Miami makes the first round, gives the playoffs and lose in the first round, just like the Bills did and sets him up for a year next year, like the Bills are having this year, it's fantastic.
I think Kansas City is the class of the A F C and then I think it's it's that next year and I think it's you guys.
I think you know you, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, you're all comparable.
You can be Kansas City.
I do think Kansas City is a better team, but I think you guys are or any elite team.
I think that if you're in the NFC, you would have Ah, a great shot playing in the Super Bowl against Kansas City.
Kevin, you got it.
You got quite a quite a fan club grown here.
Someone must know what your YouTube pages.
This This is Kevin's YouTube page.
He is a BF exclusive insider.
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You can catch him with Rico all the time and various different Buffalo fanatics podcasts.
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I feel like I kind of feel like Miami.
This year is like the Bills of 2017 in a way, because just with the quarterback, just with the quarterback But again, right? Like, yes, a different situation.
A quarterback Tyrod was there, and it was kind of like knew that was going to be it for him to was the up, you know, the rookie up and comer.
But as far as how they were kind of going about the season that 2017 season, I mean, let's be realistic like the We didn't think the Bills, We're gonna make the playoffs that year.
It took like a miracle play at the end of the season with Andy Dalton and Tyler Boyd for us to get in.
But obviously the defense was like elite in 2017, right? And and the bill snuck into the playoffs, and I feel like that's kind of how I feel like that's Miami this year, like they're running running.
Game is not very good, to be honest, like they're down there with the Bills and the bottom five, Bottom 10 of the league.
But they have a good defense.
They're forcing turnovers.
They're staying in games and, like Kev said, if they get it, if they get a lead and they're they're they're running away with some of these games, right? We talked about, you know, the Bills, like they haven't really blown out a lot of teams, Uh, you know, in the McDermott era, but like it in 2017, they didn't have to write, so I kind of do think that Miami is sort of following the mold that McDermott set in 17.
Flores, defensive coach like Kev, said, Um, he's got a lot of respect from his guys in the locker room.
They don't care what the expectations are of the outside world.
There's gonna go in there and do what they need to do.
They're gonna surprise some people.
Um, and and I think that gets back to what Bills Fans are annoyed with them right now because it's like, just go away.
We wanna win this division and we wanted it to be easier than it's going to be.
But, um, I have a lot of respect for what the Dolphins are doing.
And I actually like Brian Floor is I think he's he.
You know, Stephen, I talked about, um even before this season, how we we were high on Flores as a coach, and, um, they obviously turned that roster over very quickly.
Kind of like what the Bills did.
You know that year after Tyrod, So I see a lot of similarities with Chris Greer and Brandon Beane as well.
I like the coaching.
The head coach and GM are very much in sync in both teams.
Um, Miami got a lot of flak for the contracts they handed out this offseason, but you really have to look at them.
All of those contracts were really front loaded because they had a kind of cap space and all of them they could get out of after a year or two with no cap penalties.
And you know that Miami doesn't have a single beat, doesn't have a single starter over the age of 29.
Everyone on that team is the oldest guy.
That, on on the starting lineup is Carl Van Noy.
He's 29 everyone else's 27 God.
And you got all those draft picks to from Houston and that, like you guys were set up like like you said.
Like being David, the Bills getting him out of Cap Hill, setting it up in the draft like Greer's doing that to for Miami.
And, um, you know, looks like the Texans.
I mean, the Texans lost again last week to the Browns.
Like I thought the Texans were in a good position to kind of make the playoffs again, maybe win their division again.
But man that that that picks looking better and better for Miami each week that goes by game.
The Texas it's top.
It's a top 10 pick I know that.
I think it was like before last week.
I think it was seven.
Now it's probably higher.
Yeah, I think it's like five, but man Mhm.
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What's your What's your favorite drink? Is it Red Bull again? We're talking rebel.
No, he's talking about He's one of the guys that always watches the rico report.
There was an episode where Rico and I got into a bit of alcohol and I was drinking vodka orange juice, and, uh, he was asking if it was a fuzzy navel.
Um and yeah, he's been my guy ever since.
When I'm on, he always comes on and asked me about my fuzzy navel.
But right now it's I saw it.
We might be calling Pierre, so I had to get my Red Bull.
You have to get your brain ready for Pierre, right? Because he's gonna He's not gonna let this Donovan McNabb thing go.
Personally, I feel like, yeah, he's gonna look like that Charlie from always sunny and you know, the main where all the lines, it's going to be pretty good.
He wasn't happy that I said McNab didn't have a great are my Maybe I Maybe I undersold McNabb's arm a little bit.
He did have a pretty good arm, but I still don't.
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Remember when you said a J fns? It would be a 7 to 10 sat guy in the future? I did say in the future, I didn't say in his rookie year in the future.
You still on that train? I'll tell you what.
I'm genuinely shocked by by a J. Vanessa.
I'm gonna stay on that train and think he just needs some time to develop and think the Bills lack of a big fatty this year.
Ah, one Tech is really what is the root of some of these edges struggles this year.
But at the same time, like I'm gonna say I said it before and I'll say it again.
The dude just looks way smaller.
There's no way that dude's to 80.
He was legit to 80 in college.
There's no way in hell he's not.
There's no way in hell he's to eight now.
He that dude's to 50.
Yeah, that guy lost, like £20 from the off season.
You know, I thought it was a great pick to, but I wanted that big, beefy Phil Hanson type of left end.
I didn't want another Jerry Hughes.
I'm looking to get away from the jerry uses of the world.
I like the beef, your defensive ends, guys who set the edge.
I I was more than okay when the Oakland Raiders took like, clean Farrell at three.
I love clean Farrell.
I love clean Farrell.
I think he's gonna be a really good defensive end for a really long time, but like I've never a Hall of Famer.
Maybe you will need to take a Hall of Famer at three.
Uh, you know, that's the argument that a lot of people might want to make.
But, yeah, it's, uh, the dude got hurt celebrating a tackle.
So, you know, I think that it was a really good play s something you really something you got to consider.
He's not getting the reps right, because you guys have your two that's ahead of him.
Yeah, he's been inactive for, like half the games, too.
So it's like he doesn't play them.
I also like Johnson.
I don't He's He's getting any run with you guys.
When I watched the games, I don't see him up there very much like he's the He's the fourth ending the rotation.
He's getting more run than, uh, he's getting running the Japanese.
He ended a man's life in that Seattle game.
On special teams, I forgot who was that was returning that he's a really good special team.
Yeah, yes, yes, yeah, he's a big boy to he's a big boy, 6 ft six.
Alright, I got I got one more question for you, Kevin.
And that is the a f c East.
I know you said you'd be happy with the Miami Dolphins getting a wildcard and sort of being that team that Z one year away from taking the next step.
But who do you think? Wednesday, F C East.
When all is said and done, you think Miami Miami takes everything will be Buffalo Buffalo.
You guys only have plates.
Really? Who do you have left the plate? That Steelers.
We got the Chargers coming off by.
When San Francisco Herbert Herbert was terrible last week.
You guys were gonna lock him up again in San Francisco.
They're riddled with injuries.
We do play very close.
New England? Yeah.
New England's gonna be tough because New England's always tough, You know what I mean? It's just like Miami again.
Nah, it'll be over Miami Miami wins.
It's because you guys were sitting your starters.
That's what I find interesting, though, about this year, with their Onley being one, were there only being one bye week.
I would be willing to bet that come week 17, the one seed may be locked up, but the bills may be jockeying for anywhere from like maybe like the three to the I mean, I guess if they're a division winner would only be three or four.
So that would really be the only difference.
But if Miami wins, if my if that Miami game means something that could potentially knock the Bills out of the division slot and maybe affect their seating in the wild card, So I don't know.
I mean, unless the Bills, like, are locked up in like, let's say, the three seed and they can't go up or down, then that game might.
That game might matter as far as like, their seating, But we'll see.
We got a question here from Matty Ice.
He's got a couple of points that I like.
He said he got so so many questions.
Who's number one, in your opinion, in the running back room and who shows out at wide receiver after the by? Not Stefon Diggs.
So a couple of bills sent your questions here.
Um, you know, I'm gonna start off with running back question.
I think Zach Moss has got to be your guy right now, just because the way this offensive line is block and I think you need Teoh.
I think you need more of a Power Runner and Zach Moss.
But, well, what do you see in Dave? What do you think needs to be the main guy at running back right now, The way it's going with this, this current offensive line, it's probably Moss.
But if you get forward back and you get Feliciano playing, you know, playing right guard and you, let's say you do get Morse back and that was all Coach speak.
Then you get a little more athleticism out there on the line that I could see.
It may be shifting to more Ah, Singletary.
But I say right now, if you're asking me right now, I think it's gotta be Moss because he can at least fall forward for a yard or two and not saying that Singletary can't.
But man, I couldn't I Frush one of the most frustrating things to me in football and watching any team really that I'm rooting for is when guys get tackled behind the line of scrimmage on running plays.
Tackles for loss on running plays are like one of my biggest pet peeves when watching fall, and I feel like Right now, Moss gives you the better chance to not have those negative place until we really get this old line back together.
You know, Hot, hot. Take.
Maybe we should just throw the ball.
Five wide receivers all game 60 65 times.
And Josh Young could just be a running back out of those four wide receiver sets or five wide receiver set.
So all right, we have our first.
What I would have went with Singletary.
Yeah, there's two reasons.
One, because I think your team is is struggling this year when you when you try and go multiple tight ends when you're trying to do power running, you're not doing it well.
So what you are doing well is when you're running out of like your you know, your your 10 sets and you're running like four wideouts or three wideouts or whatever and getting a player like Singletary who's better in space, I think it doesn't tip your hand.
You know, when you bring in everyone and you bring Moss in, it seems to signal more of a run where a single Terry, if he's out there, he's better.
I think in space.
I think that's what you guys need to do is spread everyone out to get everyone out of the box, get these multiple DVDs on the field and then try and run against these like dime packages.
Well, I would do that with Moss, like the Cardinals did against us with Drake last week.
That's what I would do.
I would spread them out and run it up the gut with Moss.
And now in those situations.
But I see what you're saying, Kev.
Like if you spread them out.
And the second reason is because I have Singletary into pools way.
Reason We have our first, our first call in of the evening.
We have Buffalo.
I'm great. I love you guys.
Honestly, I wasn't expecting to get on here.
So, uh, what's it? Go? I just want to say hi all the way from New Mexico.
E graduated from, uh I just graduated from Buffalo in June, but I'm here for work.
So, uh, yeah, I like you were watching the What's it called the ubi game yesterday, Or was it a couple days ago? Oh, yeah.
That's my old model as well.
Anyway, I just wanted to say, um I don't know if you guys noticed, right? Like that Seahawks game, right? Was the first game, even though it was like high school, you know, the Seahawks were so putting points on what that felt like the first game, right? And it gave, like, a taste off, where both both the defense and offense were clicking like that was the first true game that I would say this season, at least, that both the units were, you know, I mean on the same page.
You know, usually it's often spending out or the defense filling out.
But I mean, not so much this season.
But point is, if that's like if they could sustain that, then I would have, like, almost no, I would be going to every game and just being super confident, you know that we could be any team if we have both of you know, both of those aspects clicking.
So my question to you guys is like, What? What does it take? What do you think it takes on the coaching staff for the players, like for them to to continue that in terms of to to tell you to look, you know, talk to each other like, hey, guys on.
You know, look at this game, like we could, you know, replicate that.
We could be any team I feel like.
And I know the Seahawks defense is is even worse than ours.
But, like, you know what I mean? Mhm.
I mean, I think this goes back to what? What Kev said earlier when I asked him, Are the bills closer to the upper echelon of the A.
C or they closer to the Miami Dolphins? And he said there close to the upper echelon.
And I think it's because just what you said when they're playing the way they played against Seattle, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, whoever they could beat him, they could hang with him and they could beat him.
The Buffalo Bills could go on a heater, and they have the talent to win the Super Bowl.
They do plain and simple, but to me and going back and re looking at that Arizona game and hearing from a couple of people from that Arizona game, um, you know Bruce Nolan specifically on his podcast. Where? Buffalo rumblings.
This morning, he said one of the biggest issues for the Buffalo Bills in the third quarter was execution.
So it's just about it's I don't think it might be as much about the coaching.
It might be a little bit about the coaching coming out of the third quarter.
They gotta get that cleaned up after the by.
I was coming out of the third orders, pathetic, but in terms of sustaining four quarters of football, that comes down to the players being able to play through four cores.
So that's on the players, in my opinion.
And the players just got to show up and and they got a ball off for four quarter because what they do, they can hang with anyone.
Yeah, I was just gonna say real quick on your instagram.
I saw like, today's the stat that said out of the third quarter, we actually haven't been doing that bad.
It's what happens after, right? What happens, right? Yeah, first drive. It's not bad.
And then after, it's just like we just collapse and, uh, I don't know what that is, but, um, started to take up your time is just warm.
Cross you one more question.
Yeah, I just I was gonna ask, uh, why aren't we running any? Why are we just forcing it down the middle? Like last season? I remember, even in the I remember the Houston game as well in the playoffs.
But like a lot of the times, we'd run.
You know, we do sweeps like to the sides and stuff, and you would and we'd get, like, 15, 20 yards with Singletary.
I mean, he was able, like you said to have space and do that.
Is that because of our guards, that air, like you said if we didn't have Feliciano and whatever, like is that? Do you think that's because we we didn't have that healthy old line? So this trying, you know, like, you run to the sides.
Like, what? Do you think that Well, what? I guess things We're not doing that as much.
I feel like way could utilize a single term or that way.
I would, I would say yes.
That's a big part of it, because Brian Winters isn't exactly the most nimble guy at right guard and obviously Feliciano missing time obviously hurt.
Morris is an athletic type center, obviously, with him being out, Um, you know, when you get like those multiple guys, kind of like peeling out to the side on sweeps and and screenplays even for that matter, when you don't have those guys that can move well in space.
I mean, for as Muchas Cody Ford has had his struggles, he's, like, decent in space.
So, um, I do I do think that is a big part of it.
And I do think that there's also this mental hurdle that are running backs just don't have the confidence in the online right now, either.
So they may be, are being a little more indecisive, feeling like they need to make things make more things happen on their own than trusting sort of what's in front of them.
Obviously, Singletary's a guy that relies a lot on making people miss in tight areas and vision.
So ah, when when that's not clicking, then it's obviously gonna lead to kind of some negative place that we talked about tackles for loss in the backfield.
So, yeah, I think it's a good point.
All right, guys.
Well, Thank you.
I was gonna say, if you ever want to see a 11 the Bills, Super Bowl, I mean, for the oh, after after the drought, I was in Denver.
Um, my parents live in Denver, and I ran that it was New Year's right.
Remember? It was the It was the 31st and I was down.
I was in downtown Denver, and I ran.
I ran downtowns and I was recording myself.
Buffalo people congratulating me and everything.
They would like to congratulate all that.
So if you ever want video just saying it's pretty embarrassing.
But it was my I lost my voice.
My voice was like squeaking like it was hilarious, but huge bills for you guys all the way from Carlsbad, New Mexico.
I don't know if you guys know where that is, but All right, man.
Thank you. Bye way.
Appreciate it, man.
You have a good one.
Thank you. Thank you.
Looks like we got about two more callers in the chat here.
We're going to start with our man Jeff Green.
How're we doing tonight? Jeff Green? What's up, man? Is he there? We got you Jeff.
What's up, guys? Oh, there.
How you doing, man? Well, very cool.
I think we're gonna Me? Yeah, we can hear, you know.
Yeah, we're good.
How you doing, man?