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00:00:00
Castor News Thursday Night edition Getting ready for Thursday Night Football Oh, my gosh, it's two weeks in a row of good games.
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What are you crazy Last week? Colts Titans.
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This week, we have the Arizona Cardinals going up against the Seattle Seahawks and with me today, as usual for Thursday Night Football.
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I have my guy Ray route and Mr Roboto down here.
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Adam, Arm Breck.
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He is going to help us.
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We are all going to sit here and talk about this football game.
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And before I get started into the game, I want to talk about something that a certain wide receiver, D.
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K.
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Metcalf said to the media not very long ago about how he is looking forward, that his number one goal right now is to break the Peyton Manning Marvin Harrison 114 touchdown record.
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Ray, does he have any shot at this with Russell Wilson? Let me say something that might shock you guys, and I'm I'm waiting for the comebacks, by the way, because I think I don't think you guys are gonna be happy with me.
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D.
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K.
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Metcalf is slowly becoming one of the most overrated wide receivers in the NFL.
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Uh, he's great.
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Don't get me wrong.
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He's a great wide receiver.
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I know I don't ever remember Marvin Harrison having a day off or a bad game or a game where he only had two receptions where he couldn't get open.
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I don't remember those days out of Randy Moss.
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I don't remember those days, even out of ah Terrell Owens when he was playing in his prime.
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D.
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K.
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Metcalf is a big, strong wide receiver, but I've noticed one thing guys over the last four weeks.
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People are starting to figure out how to play him a little bit better.
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They're starting to figure out how to out physical him, how to get leverage on somebody like that.
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See, the problem was, you had guys like Bill Belichick who had the arrogance to say I have to find Gilmore.
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We're gonna go one on one, and Gilmore couldn't get inside inside leverage.
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Well, now they're respecting the speed and the strength.
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They're starting to get the leverage, and there's been games to you guys.
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That mccaf was irrelevant in the game.
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So could they do it? Yeah, because they're gonna play a slew of teams with bad defense is that they're going to give up a lot of passing yards and touchdown passes.
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Is D.
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K.
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Metcalf a really good receiver? Yeah, absolutely.
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But there's a trend that I thought was just Patriot fans, but I'm seeing the trend across all fan bases is we could have had d. K.
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Metcalf just to me.
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It he's good, But to me, it's to start saying things like, I'm gonna break, you know, one of the one of the most dynamic quarterbacks and wide receiver duos in the history of football.
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Have fun, sir.
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Have fun, Adam.
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Well, I mean, listen, uh, part of the problems to me with, if I'm if I'm being understood, uh, is that it's your number lead? It's too early to have that kind of conversation, and but I think it's fine for him to stay.
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If I can't come out and say, Of course, this is I mean, this is the the attitude you get from wide receivers across the lead.
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The best wide receivers have this kind of attitude, so it's great.
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I don't know what he's going to be.
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I think that raised right and teams have learned how to adjust to him now and defend against him differently.
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And now I'll be curious to see what it does the rest of the season and then going into his next year and into the following season have key develop.
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How does he remember he fell in the draft because people didn't think it was going to translate to the pros.
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Then he flashes that he could do it in the pros.
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And now he's coming to Earth.
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So I just This is what it's gonna be for the start of his career.
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I hope that he gets there only has eight.
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I mean, listen to eight touchdowns in the year so far.
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You know, you gotta show me double digits.
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But, I mean, with the season, if you wanna start talking about breaking records, probably gonna have a couple of really big years mixed in there.
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So I think it's fine.
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Yeah, I'm not I'm not really persuade by and right, I'm totally off base.
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And where you're at, he's What do you do now? Yeah, when you're looking at a guy with, like, DK Matt Cap and you're like, all right, I wanna I wanna break the Marvin Harrison Payton Manning record.
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And you look at Marvin Harrison.
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When he was drafted in 96 he had eight touchdowns and then the second year, only six and then only seven.
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But then you've seen the street come out in his fourth year where it was 12, 14, 15, 11, 10 15, 12 12.
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I mean, just consistent.
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And to your point, Ray.
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He was consistently dropping 1600 yards, 1400 yards, 1500 yards, 1700 yards, 1200 yards.
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He was always catching the football.
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He was always even with Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark.
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He was still that guy on the Indianapolis Colts and that guy that Peyton Manning would always go to.
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Now, do you go to D.
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K.
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Metcalf when you have Tyler Lockett on the other side that consistently that much? Mawr Um, then then Tyler Lockett.
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I don't know because Tyler Lockett can come down with some really big plays at times.
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Um, to your point, Adam.
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Yes, I fully agree with you.
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Wait until us fourth year.
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Then we could start having this discussion, right? Yeah.
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I will throw an argument into, though, that having Reggie Wayne in Dallas Clark can be an advantage for a guy like Marvin Harrison as well.
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I go back to the Patriots 2000 and seven season when they had Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Ben Watson.
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And this is Ben Watson when he could perform as a tight end Patriot fans, not Ben Watson from last season.
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Um, it does when you have see, I look at it when you just have D K.
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Metcalf. And obviously saddle has Tyler Lockett.
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You can put the all your attention onto it onto a D. K. Metcalf.
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Reggie Wayne could easily have been a number one on somebody else's football team.
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That was one of the benefits they had in Dallas.
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Clark was absolutely phenomenal, so Harrison could still find himself in situations where he is one on one because you can't double team him the whole game, so that can be a benefit to him.
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But I think you're right, though.
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Do you continue to throw the ball for 1600 yards toe one wide receiver? When you have, let's face it, half a Pro Bowl team just, you know, sitting in the sitting in your receiving corps.
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Uh, it's and again from a D. K. Metcalf.
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I'm gonna say this very cautiously because I don't wanna be that guy.
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Okay, I don't want to turn into the guy who Okay, this guy is a superstar.
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It's time to tear him down.
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But when I compare him to a chase Claypool, for instance, who's a rookie and could fall off the map, Maple Tron could fall off the map and being nobody after this season.
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But I see a lot of talent in Chase Claypool I c D.
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K.
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Metcalf being a big freak of nature athlete.
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Does that make sense to you? Guys like E don't see wide receiver talent.
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I see absolute athletic ability.
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And there's another guy who was dominating the league with that athletic ability and Lamar Jackson.
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And now teams have started to figure out how to get around that athletic ability, and now you're starting to see perhaps little cracks in the foundation.
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In Baltimore, I get it's two different positions, but again, you're starting to figure out how to beat the athlete.
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What is DK mccaf gonna do from a talent perspective to take that next step to reach the levels of a Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss and those kind of guys who to me are all on that same level of excellence of wide receivers.
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Yeah, it's when you Sorry, uh, once once that when you have talent, when you have that physical ability, you in orderto have a nen fl history changing player on with you at that level, you also need to have that workhorse mentality to go with it All these greats have always had that that mentality to go with it.
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Marvin Harrison was out there after practice with Peyton Manning, game after game after game him, Reggie Wayne.
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They were out there just throwing footballs, even not during practice.
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You know, just going out to their house and their backyard, throwing the football toe work on their craft.
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D.
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K.
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Metcalf and Russell Wilson will need to do that in order to exemplify exactly how good they are and improve on the that natural, gifted athlete that Matt Cap is.
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I'm sorry, Adam. Go ahead.
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No, no, no problem at all.
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But the way that I look at it, too, is one of the guys that will go down as one of the the great wide receivers.
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Julio Jones 10 years in.
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He has 60 touchdown catches.
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He has one year there had injuries, and it was only in there for five games.
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But this is a dude that dominates.
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This is a dude that plays an explosive offense.
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Before, you had to see news of the world and some other bodies in there.
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But until you drafted Ridley, he's been even the primary number one.
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Look there consistently from a quarterback for whatever.
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Relax is at least you know upper echelon.
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Quarterback isn't career as well.
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It's hard.
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It's a hard number. Get Thio.
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You can have it in president.
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Career come nowhere near that now in decay in my cast corner, I will say, You got your 15 for your career.
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Over two years, you have a bit of a quiet rookie season.
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Or at least when it took a little bit time around into form.
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You got to have for 12 years.
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You do it for 12 years.
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You're in the ballpark of cresting at 1 14 and really getting into that kind of conversation.
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So the longevity of it, what type of receiver are you to raise point? But are you a pure receiver? dedicated Thio getting better and better at route running because that's how you also break the margins on setting all time records.
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He's being great.
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All those little things, staying after practice, going to detail and the other guy.
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When you talk about the benefit of water seizures and Harrison played with You got Davante Adams, who has one of the all time great quarterbacks throwing to him.
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But again, here's a guy that's a 53 touchdowns in his career, far younger than you've had that as far as Julio Jones is concerned.
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But that's still seven years in.
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And I would argue if you gave he had a legit number two there.
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He's the kind of guy, pure wide receiver that I would see possibly being a little break a record like that, and you'll never get that chance, because that wide receiving corps has never been that dynamic is what the Colts had there in that run for Harrison.
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Can we also point out that Russell Wilson is 31 years old? You know what I mean? Like, how long is Russell Wilson gonna play at the level that he's playing at? He's not Tom Brady, who stands in a pocket, you know, and it's protected and falls down when someone goes to hit him.
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This is a guy who consistently has to run for his life.
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This is a guy who takes punishment.
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This is a guy who runs with the football.
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The mobile quarterback is not as durable and doesn't have the longevity of those pocket quarterbacks.
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And to this day, Tom Brady is also the only guy who's proved that they can play into those late years and because Drew Brees is proving that he's not.
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And now he's almost out for the season, how much they with the style that Russell Wilson plays? Is it unfair to say six more years of prime before we start to see some sort of two significant drop off? I think whatever that comes, it will come quick.
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You know, that's the kind of thing unlike a pocket quarterback, like a Brady, that can be one year.
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You look like you still got it, and the next season you the legs just start the legs.
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Er, once the legs go, then everything else becomes more difficult and where Russell Wilson is different.
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So you know who the perfect example that is a Cam Newton.
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Lawrence's saw this on his film breakdown, and I've said it.
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Cam Newton is not the same runner that he once was.
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His east of West is almost non existent.
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He can't scramble.
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Cam Newton, though, is 6 ft three or 6 ft four, whatever it is.
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£240 who could still run people over like a running back.
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So though Cam doesn't have the speed he once had, he still has that sort of Ben Roethlisberger brute strength run down the field, knocked people over.
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Russell Wilson is not that big of a guy.
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He's not gonna play that type of game where he's bullying defense is.
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So when those legs go, he's got nothing left but his arm.
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And can he can? He a transition into being a pocket quarterback because we know he can throw and be, though.
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Well, Seattle, who's never set him up toe, have a good offensive line, put him in a position where he can actually be a pocket quarterback.
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I think right now is that time where Seattle needs to start really looking into putting a lot of focus into that offensive line because I think in the next two or three years Russell Wilson, as you say, his legs were going to get a little bit less a little bit less the next couple years, Um, 33 34 years old, you're gonna start seeing guys get slower, and that's gonna affect his escape ability.
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And that's what makes Russell, uh, dangerous.
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Because, as he's able to extend the play doing that now, will he still be able to extend the play? Yes, but not on a consistent basis in that spectacular passion as what he's been doing the last eight years, Right? So yes, I think Seattle as much as they're going in and they're getting their their their wide receivers and and right now they look like they're trying toe work with their defense a little bit, trying to rebuild a little bit there.
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I think they really need to start focusing on that offensive line.
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Thio to set Wilson up for the long term.
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Well, and there's thing about Wilson to is you could make the case that this is like the best case scenario of this model of quarterback Lee.
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He's accomplished it being into your thirties and being and playing at a high level right now is an accomplishment, because you could go back and listen.
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Vic was on and often at a football, But you saw how he looked different when he came back around the second time.
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You gotta go in, go back to, like, Steve Young from a guy that plays that kind of style and can maintain it for for a long stretch.
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And now, when you look in this game and Kyler Murray to were now taking over there, you know, in, uh, in Miami like and even even Lamar Jackson to that extent Because Cam Newton you see how he suffered? Maybe you can still maintain it, but these air now different dynamic of they've talked.
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You've heard to talk about this of Lamar Jackson? Well, maybe this is, Ah, one day contract and done quarterback.
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You know, Baltimore is trying to squeeze a Super Bowl out of this and then figure it out.
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Like for a bunch of these improved the style of playing mobile guy having to scramble having to.
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You haven't depend on his legs a part of his game.
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That's how the shift in perspective I wonder if Miami looks like that with two and Kyler Murray with the Cardinals.
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It was being like, Hey, if we go to Super Bowl to these guys and obviously it's worth it This isn't about 10, 15 year, 18 year quarterbacks.
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This isn't trying to win a championship and these guys being dynamic enough in a tight window to accomplish that goal.
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And I think when we look at, I know that Michael Vick is always the example that people like to look at when you look in a mobile quarterback and that kind of thing.
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But I will argue that if you want to look at consistency, be not in and out of the league.
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The guy toe look at would actually be Donovan McNabb, and he if you wanna talk about somebody who just dropped who went from, and I argue and I know people for whatever reason, I think that when people ask me who is one of the most underrated quarterbacks of all times, I say Donovan McNabb I said he does not get the respect that he deserves a quarterback, and but you want to talk about a guy who fell off a Cliff.
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You know that Max Kellerman, you know you're gonna be a bum and fall off a cliff.
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Donovan McNabb is the example of falling off a cliff now.
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He got put in bad situations at the end.
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Maybe you could say he was never in a situation where he could actually go on excel, but he suddenly couldn't run anymore.
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He couldn't read anymore.
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He was getting.
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He was seeing ghosts like his career just finished out of nowhere.
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And I think that that's pretty much the formula for pocket passers.
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And there's nothing wrong if you play until 33 34 years old Russell Wilson win a Super Bowl.
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You don't goto another one.
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Finally, when your M V P.
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Goto a bunch of Pro Bowls be an all Pro, you can walk away at 35 years old.
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Go to your beautiful wife who's a singer, I think right or singer and actress and live in your mansion and sit by a pool with your feet and you know, in your feet in the pool with your beats by Dre is and live a good life.
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There's nothing.
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There's no shame in what you did but unless you're going to convert and become a Tom Brady Peyton Manning type of passer.
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And they're gonna put a big offensive line in front of you which, by the way, cost money, which takes weapons away from either your defense or you're receiving corps and let them protect you.
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And actually get your you know, another version of Marshawn Lynch so you can run the football.
00:17:00
Because as much as I like Russell Wilson, I will say, Yeah, they're they're scoring a lot of touchdowns.
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This Seattle offense was way more dynamic, with a Russell Wilson quarterback and Marshawn Lynch in his prime running the football like a beast.
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Whereas when it's coming to be Russell's hand, I mean, there's six and three and they're sick.
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They're not.
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They're not at the top of the NFC for a reason.
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Well, uh, on the totality for Russell, Wilson already has almost 33,000 yards for his career to 55 to 78.
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Touchdown to interception, like the numbers are already good.
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And if he sticks around for you know, said even a couple of 234 more years, he'll feel 300 touchdown quarterback like he's already done it to raise point like you can hang it up.
00:17:41
You can.
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You can get up the next two years and feel fantastic about what he's done for his career, specifically inside of this season and having that balance for this team when you go inside Russell Wilson's number that I know that people loved him now over these last day, four games or so, everything over the course of the season is trending in the wrong direction for him.
00:18:00
He went from having his best to be yards over the first five games, the three out of his two best four or in the first four weeks of the season.
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He finished just this past week against the rains, obviously, with the Disasters Q B R rating there, too.
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But but the the interceptions were going up.
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The past attempts are going up.
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I almost think seven or eight attempts per game over the last four games.
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He's averaging closer to 40 than 33 it's because they can't rely on the running game they've had.
00:18:24
Obviously, your starters been out of there in Carson and you don't have any other guys to balance out either and That's just most of the price that you pay for a mobile quarterback when you pay in the big money and then you don't have the money to keep the line in front of them and you don't you can't bring in backs etcetera like that balancing act.
00:18:39
So you know, I don't gild a lily about where I'm leading in this, but you're seeing two versions of the same type of quarterback, and right now, they're seasons are starting to go in opposite directions.
00:18:48
That's a great lead into this game right now, because, quite frankly, the C ock season started.
00:18:56
That's downturn the last time these two teams met.
00:19:00
Since the Cardinals beat the Seahawks in overtime, the Seahawks are are one and three, and the Cardinals are four out of their last five with winds.
00:19:13
So this is a two different teams.
00:19:16
This is two teams on completely different trajectories right now, and the NFC West is absolutely a coin flip at this point on which team's gonna win it.
00:19:29
Um, Ray, what are your thoughts about this game and the second matchup between the Cardinals and the Seahawks this season? It's gonna be a game that I don't like.
00:19:40
I'm I love.
00:19:43
I love defense.
00:19:44
You know, I kind of like that.
00:19:47
I liked that Baltimore Patriots game where you kind of have, you know, under 24 points, a couple teams just slugging it out.
00:19:54
I like dirty games.
00:19:55
I like when I like when we're talking about player of the games and we're talking about Chase Win a ***** and J.
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C.
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Jackson and not Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson.
00:20:03
The player of the game was the hurricane, wouldn't it? Well, it was, but Patriots weather machine.
00:20:09
But don't get me started on that.
00:20:12
After hearing Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson whine about the weather, I said, You know, why don't you be professional football players here? But it's gonna be a very high scoring game.
00:20:23
And going back to what? We were just talking about the tie into this game.
00:20:28
Adams Absolutely right.
00:20:29
Everything about Russell Wilson is trending in the wrong direction.
00:20:32
He was number one in Pff for the last.
00:20:35
I think six or straight weeks he's now drop down to three were on the other side.
00:20:39
Kyler Murray was 20th, and he's now sitting at, I believe, 13th.
00:20:44
I'll confirm that 11th.
00:20:45
So you're starting to see two quarterbacks going in different directions, right? You're starting to almost see that impasse.
00:20:51
You're almost starting to see.
00:20:52
Perhaps maybe a little bit of, Ah, we're getting close to a changing of the guard type of thing, and you got to defense is I can't stop anybody tonight.
00:21:02
And you got, I think, the best running offense in the NFL in Arizona, against the best passing offense in the NFL, in Seattle and in this type of game, it's going to come down to what defense can make a stop or force a turnover.
00:21:23
And I think it's gonna I'll tell you what guys, this game is going to come down to somebody shooting themselves in the foot.
00:21:31
But I'll tell you this much.
00:21:35
If you had to make me guess, I would tell you.
00:21:39
We see something very similar that we saw in their first game.
00:21:41
In the same thing we see at a Seattle, I see the Seattle Seahawks coming out to a two score lead and squandering it at some point in the game in Arizona being on top whether they win or lose.
00:21:53
I haven't decided yet, but at some point, I think Seattle's gonna prove that not having a defense and not having a run game you can't sustain leads because you can't kill clock Adam.
00:22:07
Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of on board there.
00:22:09
And when they said, See how we're getting out of the early lead? Because I was ****ing figure out.
00:22:14
Like, How does end up, though? This thing is still close to think that the Cardinals kind of have this edge in it, but the lack of that defense for Arizona as well, So maybe you get out there and slowly bleeds for you instead.
00:22:24
Russell Wilson's thrown some bad red zone interceptions this year.
00:22:27
Nine touchdowns, two interceptions for Kyler Murray over the last five games, just a supplement.
00:22:32
That idea all those Q b r s are kind of right now, by the way, Murray is capable of peace and valleys, right? Like he rises and falls this week.
00:22:40
He did have a 37% completion percentage, you know, about five or six games ago.
00:22:43
So he's capable of looking bad and stretches still in just a second year.
00:22:50
The interesting, Very interesting, but we talked about receivers before Metcalf in what is he? And what is the league learned about him and how the defending him differently.
00:22:58
There's a guy who just called game winning touchdown among three Giants in the end zone against the Bills, who has plenty of time to understand.
00:23:07
They can't figure him out like the wide receiver matchup just has to favor the Cardinals because you have experienced there, even though the carnal defense isn't good.
00:23:15
Also, look at the secondary thing capability of plays getting made there.
00:23:19
You could control that receiving corps lock.
00:23:20
It might not be available this game, or at least not fully healthy in this game.
00:23:23
No Carson for Seattle in this game, Griffin is out in the secondary for the officers.
00:23:28
Well, the quarterback position, not his, his brother, the linebacker there.
00:23:32
That's the problem to like, injuries, role in all the key wrong places for Seattle in this game.
00:23:37
I wouldn't be surprised to think I leave like I said, but I look at the Cardinals and say, maybe it is changing in the Garden is pointed out.
00:23:44
This feels that the kind of game when they make a statement about what the rest of their season is gonna look like and what the rest of Seattle season's gonna look like, especially when you're talking about battling for a playoff spot here.
00:23:54
Could I also take just touch on that that touchdown pass against the Buffalo Bills last week to because I haven't had an opportunity to speak about it on SportsCastr News? Um, but you could go offensive line here to credit the offensive line, right? What? What? He ran.
00:24:08
I had to run all the way out to the hash before he urged all most of the silent.
00:24:12
No, actually, I the reason I really talked about and I called that live when we're doing the pregame show it was.
00:24:18
But after I've had timeto watch the replays and adjust, you know, I think that Kyler Murray got too much credit for what happened on that play there.
00:24:31
By the way I described it to people is it was a good throw.
00:24:34
It was, you know, I mean, it was a good throw.
00:24:35
He put it in a spectacular catch, right, and it's to me.
00:24:42
People were comparing it to Aaron Rodgers.
00:24:44
Hail Mary throws.
00:24:45
And I didn't because I watched Hail Mary come from Aaron Rodgers at the ball actually goes exactly to a guy who's covered by one person.
00:24:55
And they have.
00:24:56
They have designed Hail Mary matchups.
00:24:59
Where is the Andre Hopkins leaped over Troy Davis White, one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL, with by the way to other Buffalo Bills with him and and caught a pass by 3 ft.
00:25:12
You know where it wasn't when you watch the replay, it wasn't even close.
00:25:15
That was gonna be a catch every time And, um, a good throw.
00:25:20
But that that was more of just DeAndre Hopkins Proving why Lawrence I fought so hard this offseason to say he's the best was wide receiver in the NFL e.
00:25:32
I will just throw in that, he said.
00:25:34
It is more on the catch than the past, but when you watch it back, it's three.
00:25:39
Impressive thing for me is that for his Yungas, Murray Waas is he understood.
00:25:44
Once he got to the end line like he set himself and did that flick throw the That seems kind of odd in terms of his leg motion, but that's his natural kind of way.
00:25:52
It was impressive that he got out there and knew like, Hey, if I'm gonna try to do this, I can't just be going out of bounds lobbying one out there.
00:26:00
I have to at least put this thing on a line that gets Hopkins the chance to say, If I get in front of this thing now, it's just a jump ball for me to go get more impressive catch end of it because that's even though some of the best riders that could be in a position and go up for it if they don't catch it, you're not saying he blew it.
00:26:18
You know, you're saying, Oh, that's what happens And the level of confidence when you saw things going tours Hopkins was like, This feels like a tough down here in spite of all the players around.
00:26:26
In spite of the talent around, he's like, Oh, yeah, touchdown Hopkins.
00:26:29
So maybe you're right.
00:26:30
Maybe he's been, you know, somewhat insanely overlooked in that regard as far as where he should be in the hierarchy.
00:26:37
Yeah, because when you watch the replay, it's crazy how unclos that was to being blocked like that was a catch every time.
00:26:45
That's a catch 10 out of 10 times that just amazing bite.
00:26:47
Lawrence got through a question that you because we kind of talked about this off air while Adam was trying not to be Mr Roboto.
00:26:55
And we talked about both these Seattle in Arizona teams and how both of them are kind of lucky to even be in the position they are in the way.
00:27:03
They're they're competing in their division because we were just talking about that, you know, spectacular catch and throw by Murray and in DeAndre Hopkins when I will argue.
00:27:12
The Buffalo Bills never should even let Arizona in that position, But the Buffalo Bills should have had a three score lead, and that game shouldn't even come down to a Hail Mary or a Josh Allen drive down the field.
00:27:23
I consistently watched Buffalo shoot themselves in the foot time and time again.
00:27:28
You think about Arizona's first win over Seattle.
00:27:31
Seattle blows a big lead.
00:27:32
Do you think about how many times we I mean we when they were undefeated, all three of us sat on this show instead.
00:27:38
At some point you got your If you keep blowing these leads, it's gonna come back and bite you, and it finally started.
00:27:43
You know, we almost look like geniuses, guys.
00:27:46
It's almost like you know what we're talking about because we're starting to see it happen now.
00:27:50
But Arizona is the same way.
00:27:51
They've lost the bad teams like Detroit and again shouldn't even have been in that Buffalo game.
00:27:58
And I don't put it on Arizona for coming back against Buffalo.
00:28:02
I really put that on Buffalo just shot themselves in the foot time and time again.
00:28:07
So when you watch these two teams tonight, I think that this is gonna be the This is gonna be the game that's going to determine what's gonna happen with these two teams because I don't think you talk about the streak and it's a Kyler Murray dead on.
00:28:20
We talked about the streaking into the Seahawks dead on.
00:28:23
If I If I'm the I don't know, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with Green Bay Packers.
00:28:27
I'm not scared of either of these two teams.
00:28:30
If I got to see them in the NFC championship game because we know that we there's no guarantee that either of these two dominant teams they're gonna come out on the field.
00:28:42
Well, I mean, when you're talking about the other two teams.
00:28:45
They actually has somewhat of a defense.
00:28:48
I mean, and and and it seems as though whenever, uh, Seattle place a team with somewhat of a defense and indecent offense, things just turned ugly for him quickly.
00:29:00
Russell Wilson, in the last six games, has nine interceptions.
00:29:04
Nine.
00:29:05
He's only had 11 in a season for his career.
00:29:08
That's the most he's ever had in one season.
00:29:10
He's got nine in the last six games.
00:29:13
I mean, my goodness.
00:29:14
Kyler Murray has less interceptions and Russell Wilson does right now and only seven, and and and Russell's got 10.
00:29:20
So now could that be more invective of Seattle not having a run game and forcing Seattle and that Could that be a reason to that? Seattle blows leads, because when you're just passing the ball down the field, you're not taking time off the clock, right? You're just you're just you're not chewing up clock.
00:29:36
You're just chewing up yards that to your point and nine games.
00:29:40
Russell Wilson has already thrown 334 past attempts.
00:29:45
Jeez, that's pushing over 600 pass attempts in a season he's never went over 553.
00:29:53
He's already on pace for over 600.
00:29:56
And that's why again, when we talk about the P conversation with little center who is worthy of not worthy of it, of course, it's all relative to the you know what the team is and what the game script end up looking like what you're trying to do right on a week to week basis.
00:30:09
Ray, you said about like, you look back, is both East teams, right? Why? I think it has to win this game, because if you want to separate yourself and make the case that you're you're as good as your record will be at seven and three, it has to be.
00:30:22
That took you over time to do it.
00:30:24
And you didn't look great in that Murray the last time you played Seattle.
00:30:26
But it has to be.
00:30:27
You beat Seattle because when you go back and look at Seattle's record and the teams that played Falcons Patriot early in the year is for whatever the Patriots are the season the Cowboys, you gotta win against the Dolphins, the other ones against the Vikings and the 40 Niners, well into the season where they've been completely decimated by injuries.
00:30:45
They have one quality win on the record Right now.
00:30:50
They've lost to the good teams ahead of them.
00:30:52
And the weird thing is, though, in spite of all of that, look at the remaining schedule.
00:30:57
And Seattle can keep winning games down the stretch here because they're going to get the NFC East.
00:31:01
Three out of the four NFC East teams they have in the back end of schedule, with the Jets sandwiched in between after the Cardinals game, they play Eagles, Giants, Jets, Washington and then they'll close out with the Rams, followed up by again a decimated 40 Niners team.
00:31:13
So in spite of this, that's got to be the easiest second half schedule in football.
00:31:18
And this is why the Packers, the Bucks, both those teams can feel good because there's a world where you have a division winner and a wild card and needed for one of them is over the dangerous.
00:31:30
I'd still be more concerned about what the Cardinals can do because I think their defense can, you know, massage themselves into being respectable about playoffs.
00:31:38
Seattle has no chance on that side of the ball.
00:31:40
There's that defense is bad.
00:31:42
We're gonna be bad the rest of the year, and the offense is gonna ride way too much on Wilson without a complimentary run game.
00:31:48
It just they're not.
00:31:49
It's weird.
00:31:50
The record says one thing, but they're not a good football team in totality.
00:31:56
Yeah, they got a they got a win by shootouts, and that's that's the only way Seattle can win.
00:32:01
Um, even with Jamal Adams on the field, Jamal Adams over the last four weeks does not look like the same Jamal Adams that we've seen.
00:32:09
Uh, when he was with the Jets, let alone, you know, when he when he first came in tow Seattle and he he was making some plays early on with Seattle.
00:32:18
But as of late, he just does not look the same.
00:32:22
And I'm wondering if that has to do with the players around him, not holding up their end as well.
00:32:30
What the injuries and things of that nature, or is is, is Jamal Adams, now a very good player on a really good team, where sometimes when you play on a really bad team, you could look like a superstar when you're the Onley shining light and some of your deficiencies can be kind of hidden because you're Jamal Adams.
00:32:50
Well, they're putting the game against me because I would argue with you right now if you said to me Hey, Ray, you know all the safeties air available in the NFC Where the South? No.
00:33:00
Yeah, they're the South, right.
00:33:01
All the all of the players in the NFC South are available.
00:33:04
Who do you want? I'm like, I don't know Buddha Baker.
00:33:07
Probably not Jamal Adams.
00:33:09
Well, I don't I would argue that the Jets defense is better than Seattle's defense.
00:33:13
Well, yeah, but I'm saying but But when you got a losing record, when you're that bad, you are the shining light on a bad team, right? Don't forget.
00:33:22
I mean, Adam, you're you're from New Jersey.
00:33:23
Before the whole trade to the Cowboys, talk started last trade deadline was always at least we have Jamal Adams.
00:33:29
That's our building block.
00:33:30
We can build around Sam Donald on offense and Jamal Adams on defense.
00:33:33
I was always the building block.
00:33:34
Well, now you're in Seattle, where it's like, Hey, we have a dynamic offense.
00:33:38
You gotta come save our defense.
00:33:40
It almost reminds me and not to the same level, but Mohammed Sunu coming to the Patriots offense last year when he was supposed to be the savior, whose finally gonna be that legitimate weapon for Brady after Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon kind of flake out right.
00:33:53
And then it doesn't happen.
00:33:55
That's a little bit of Jonathan Stewart to the New York Giants, right? That's what we all thought when he came in there, really take over this backfield to become reputation.
00:34:03
No, but I think I think you're right, though that feels 100% true.
00:34:08
I wanna see where launch where you wanna go there because I just have another throwing tidbit here around why Arizona should be better in this game and also over the rest of the season.
00:34:17
Go ahead, go because we talk about offensive line play from Seattle and how it's it's bad, and it's putting Russell in bad spots coming into the season by pro football.
00:34:26
Focus for whatever stock you want to put it in banking the offensive line plan and you know about the eye test as well on this.
00:34:32
Don't just trust and I'll go over to them.
00:34:34
But the King is one of the worst rated offensive lines and that we just knew they were gonna have problems.
00:34:38
There are 22nd now in terms of offensive line place.
00:34:41
So again, trajectory, not just of the quarterback.
00:34:43
Or, if you want to line it up, the offensive line.
00:34:45
Players getting better for Arizona and Kyler.
00:34:47
Murray is playing better over the course of the season.
00:34:50
Seattle's offensive line has not shown improvement, and they've been dealing with injuries across that as well.
00:34:54
And Russell Wilson isn't showing consistency or improvement.
00:34:57
But the correlation I know this is very, very loves offensive line talk.
00:35:00
But this is This is why I think Arizona should win this game and look good, at least be compared with the rest of the season because you are your younger learning.
00:35:08
That's what Arizona is.
00:35:09
Seattle is older and building in terms of what you know what? What is the video? How do better? How do we improve ourselves? There's a different points of their franchises right now.
00:35:21
Yeah, I'm sorry.
00:35:22
My supposed to jump in there.
00:35:23
I'm not sure, but yeah, No, absolutely.
00:35:25
I think that it z there's a lot more positives around Arizona.
00:35:33
Then there is around Seattle, away from just a typical okay, So if you erase, If you took Kyler, Murray and DeAndre Hopkins and Larry Fitzgerald and Tyler, Lockett and uM, D. K.
00:35:46
Metcalf and Russell Wilson out of the equation and those six guys weren't playing this football game, Arizona by far is the Mawr talented football team.
00:35:58
I mean, with Kenyan Drake alone, who's not even having sort of that season.
00:36:02
They were expecting after he looked like he, you know, was rejuvenated after being traded away from Miami.
00:36:08
But you talk about the offensive line.
00:36:10
Yeah, third in past blocking, right? I.
00:36:14
I'm not sure where they rank and run blocking, but they're one of the best run blocked or one of the best running teams in the NFL, so they got to be ranked pretty high as well.
00:36:21
Seattle is awful when you look at defensive rankings, it's Seattle's almost at the bottom of the heap, right where they their their overall defense is 14th on Pff.
00:36:34
And yes, I don't just believe Pff, but I'm an ****ytics guy and Lawrence, except for one time, the ****ytical numbers have always matched your film right and you and I have proved that ****ytics works and film review works.
00:36:49
And when you put the two together, it's the most dynamic way to assess what's happening with the football team and Arizona just they outscore everywhere.
00:36:58
When you take those three guys on each team out of the equation, this is Arizona's game. It's not even close.
00:37:05
I do have a question about Arizona and their defense.
00:37:09
Is it time for the Cardinals to really go deep in this upcoming draft into the secondary? I believe that when you got an aging Patrick Peterson, who is being burnt a lot this year, and Jonathan Joseph, who is an ancient person as well, and Drakkar Patrick, who's on the wrong side of 30 all being your top cornerbacks right now on your team, is it time to start dipping into that that draft pool and picking a little high when it comes to corner to try to give your defense toe help, which will help against preventing other teams from being able to keep up with your with your offense? Well, that's where Arizona is now, right? It's, um, uh, I'll compared to the Patriots.
00:37:56
If we could um, for For the last 10 years, the topics have been defensive lineman, cornerbacks, linebackers because the offense was established, right? And that's what you've been doing.
00:38:10
Arizona is now established their offense.
00:38:11
Now you're starting to look at cornerbacks safety, offensive lineman.
00:38:15
Interior linemen edge those complimentary pieces that make your team better.
00:38:22
100% agree.
00:38:23
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna add to it the they're ready to now go into the next draft, fill the key pieces and be really dangerous for the next two or three seasons.
00:38:32
All right, so we're about 40 minutes into this stream before we give our picks.
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00:42:23
Ray. Let's hear what you got.
00:42:26
Okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna go with the games in Arizona, Right? Correct.
00:42:33
No, it's in Seattle.
00:42:36
I'm gonna go with Seattle now.
00:42:38
Yeah, without the 12th man.
00:42:42
I'm gonna go with Arizona.
00:42:44
If the 12th man was there, then I go with Seattle.
00:42:46
Uh, score.
00:42:47
103 to 1 102.
00:42:50
No, no, it's gonna be what's the over under? Because I'm taking e.
00:42:55
I'm taking the over.
00:42:56
I think it's gonna be like I think each team's gonna have.
00:42:59
It's gonna be, like, 37 toe like 33.
00:43:01
You're expecting a very similar game the last time.
00:43:04
Where, you know? Yeah.
00:43:06
Which means, guys, if I said it, that means this game is gonna be 10 7.
00:43:09
Just so you know, because that's how I pay.
00:43:11
Almost almost got it.
00:43:14
E At the end of the show, they shot into the mic.
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There's too good, though.
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Like catching real.
00:43:25
Um, yeah, I I agree with Ray e Think I'm kind of in the last game that we picked where I went, I was Oh, the Vikings game.
00:43:32
Right, Lawrence, take that one.
00:43:35
And I thought I thought we're all gonna go in the same direction and then being out on the island.
00:43:38
What? I'd like to start the trend and beyond the island.
00:43:41
But for all the things we talked about, I think Arizona takes care of this getting getting points, let alone, uh, the over, I think maybe narrowly, you know, 34.
00:43:50
31 is fine by me, right in that range.
00:43:52
So I'll take Arizona and let's see, let's see them get us excited toe Watch them against the Green Bay Packers.
00:43:57
Right in the playoffs.
00:43:58
Like I want to see them really surge over the back half of this season.
00:44:01
Yeah, with me.
00:44:02
Um, I see Kyler.
00:44:05
Murray has just been on the uptick over the last five weeks.
00:44:09
And Russell? Man, he's like I said, he's turning the football over. Consistent.
00:44:15
He's got seven interceptions in in the last four games.
00:44:19
Last game against the Rams.
00:44:21
He was awful, right? Awful.
00:44:23
Yes, he had 248 passing yards, but I mean yeah, six.
00:44:28
He was sacked six times, threw two interceptions, no touchdowns.
00:44:33
What? I guess I see the Cardinals defense being able to at least get pressure on him with their front with their front seven.
00:44:43
And Russell's gonna have to force the ball a few times.
00:44:46
You might see a couple turnovers in this game.
00:44:49
This.
00:44:50
Actually, I think this is a game that could end up being a blowout just because if the Cardinals jump out to a big lead we're used to talking about if Seattle gets into a big league and squanders it, What if the Cardinals jump out to the big lead? Early on? I think that's the scary situation.
00:45:07
And if that happens, I don't see Seattle having any shot in this game.
00:45:10
I got the Cardinals winning by at least 10.
00:45:13
Wow.
00:45:14
You know, early lead behind that line used great used mens.
00:45:20
You can paint a picture for me, Lawrence.
00:45:22
Impressive.
00:45:23
I will listen to Lawrence on this one.
00:45:24
Don't listen to me.
00:45:25
Especially listen to, right.
00:45:26
No, no.
00:45:27
Listen to me.
00:45:28
No, no, I'm just 10.
00:45:29
That's bold, man.
00:45:30
And but you know what? Lawrence has been spot on the last three weeks.
00:45:33
So if you're betting, I'm just saying.
00:45:35
And if you're wrong, don't break my knees.
00:45:38
All right.
00:45:39
Well, thank you, everybody.
00:45:41
Thank you, Adam.
00:45:42
Thank you, Ray, for joining me here on SportsCastr, as we always do on Thursday Night football.
00:45:47
Join us back here.
00:45:48
Tomorrow morning, me and Adam will break down the Thursday night football game because, you know, we're watching that game and we'll let you know what we saw.
00:45:58
Yeah, I'm not working tomorrow.
00:46:02
Would you be okay if I joined you as well? Oh, that would be so awesome.
00:46:06
The three of us break it down in the three of us.
00:46:08
Talk about three of us.
00:46:10
About how all three of us got this game utterly wrong.
00:46:13
All right. So bad.
00:46:18
I'm telling you, just come back.
00:46:19
It's It's that'll be in.
00:46:21
Uh, what about 14 hours from now? So but if you watch the game, take a nap under the string.
00:46:27
Yeah.
00:46:28
And if you really wanted to, you know, catch a break during halftime tonight, 9 p.m.
00:46:31
Eastern time, dp on commentaries on.
00:46:32
So you can check that out as well.
00:46:34
Absolutely.
00:46:35
Uh, I was going to join Ray, but I have previous engagements.
00:46:40
But if I'm back in times fault, not Lawrence's fault, because I wait until today to ask him.
00:46:46
So Now, I might, uh, if you want to drop that to me and if I'm back in time, maybe I'll join you when I get back.
00:46:53
And I'll see if you're still rolling strong.
00:46:55
Well, we gotta actually pretty packed shows we might be, so I'll drop the link for you tonight for sure.
00:46:59
All right, Well, thank you, everybody.
00:47:01
Thank you, everyone, for joining.
00:47:02
Please don't forget that That smash light and share and until next time, as usual, Have a good one.
00:47:09
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NFL Week 11 TNF: Cardinals-Seahawks Preview

Seattle Seahawks wide receiver DK Metcalf has had an NFL journey like few others, falling from a first-round projection to the end of the second round of the 2019 NFL Draft. But after a breakout rookie season and a stellar sophomore campaign, Metcalf — thanks to some motivation from Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson — already […]

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Castor News Thursday Night edition Getting ready for Thursday Night Football Oh, my gosh, it's two weeks in a row of good games.
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What are you crazy Last week? Colts Titans.
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This week, we have the Arizona Cardinals going up against the Seattle Seahawks and with me today, as usual for Thursday Night Football.
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I have my guy Ray route and Mr Roboto down here.
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Adam, Arm Breck.
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He is going to help us.
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We are all going to sit here and talk about this football game.
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And before I get started into the game, I want to talk about something that a certain wide receiver, D.
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K.
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Metcalf said to the media not very long ago about how he is looking forward, that his number one goal right now is to break the Peyton Manning Marvin Harrison 114 touchdown record.
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Ray, does he have any shot at this with Russell Wilson? Let me say something that might shock you guys, and I'm I'm waiting for the comebacks, by the way, because I think I don't think you guys are gonna be happy with me.
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D.
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K.
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Metcalf is slowly becoming one of the most overrated wide receivers in the NFL.
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Uh, he's great.
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Don't get me wrong.
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He's a great wide receiver.
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I know I don't ever remember Marvin Harrison having a day off or a bad game or a game where he only had two receptions where he couldn't get open.
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I don't remember those days out of Randy Moss.
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I don't remember those days, even out of ah Terrell Owens when he was playing in his prime.
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D.
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K.
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Metcalf is a big, strong wide receiver, but I've noticed one thing guys over the last four weeks.
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People are starting to figure out how to play him a little bit better.
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They're starting to figure out how to out physical him, how to get leverage on somebody like that.
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See, the problem was, you had guys like Bill Belichick who had the arrogance to say I have to find Gilmore.
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We're gonna go one on one, and Gilmore couldn't get inside inside leverage.
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Well, now they're respecting the speed and the strength.
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They're starting to get the leverage, and there's been games to you guys.
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That mccaf was irrelevant in the game.
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So could they do it? Yeah, because they're gonna play a slew of teams with bad defense is that they're going to give up a lot of passing yards and touchdown passes.
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Is D.
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K.
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Metcalf a really good receiver? Yeah, absolutely.
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But there's a trend that I thought was just Patriot fans, but I'm seeing the trend across all fan bases is we could have had d. K.
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Metcalf just to me.
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It he's good, But to me, it's to start saying things like, I'm gonna break, you know, one of the one of the most dynamic quarterbacks and wide receiver duos in the history of football.
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Have fun, sir.
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Have fun, Adam.
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Well, I mean, listen, uh, part of the problems to me with, if I'm if I'm being understood, uh, is that it's your number lead? It's too early to have that kind of conversation, and but I think it's fine for him to stay.
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If I can't come out and say, Of course, this is I mean, this is the the attitude you get from wide receivers across the lead.
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The best wide receivers have this kind of attitude, so it's great.
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I don't know what he's going to be.
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I think that raised right and teams have learned how to adjust to him now and defend against him differently.
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And now I'll be curious to see what it does the rest of the season and then going into his next year and into the following season have key develop.
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How does he remember he fell in the draft because people didn't think it was going to translate to the pros.
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Then he flashes that he could do it in the pros.
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And now he's coming to Earth.
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So I just This is what it's gonna be for the start of his career.
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I hope that he gets there only has eight.
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I mean, listen to eight touchdowns in the year so far.
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You know, you gotta show me double digits.
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But, I mean, with the season, if you wanna start talking about breaking records, probably gonna have a couple of really big years mixed in there.
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So I think it's fine.
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Yeah, I'm not I'm not really persuade by and right, I'm totally off base.
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And where you're at, he's What do you do now? Yeah, when you're looking at a guy with, like, DK Matt Cap and you're like, all right, I wanna I wanna break the Marvin Harrison Payton Manning record.
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And you look at Marvin Harrison.
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When he was drafted in 96 he had eight touchdowns and then the second year, only six and then only seven.
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But then you've seen the street come out in his fourth year where it was 12, 14, 15, 11, 10 15, 12 12.
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I mean, just consistent.
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And to your point, Ray.
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He was consistently dropping 1600 yards, 1400 yards, 1500 yards, 1700 yards, 1200 yards.
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He was always catching the football.
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He was always even with Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark.
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He was still that guy on the Indianapolis Colts and that guy that Peyton Manning would always go to.
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Now, do you go to D.
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K.
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Metcalf when you have Tyler Lockett on the other side that consistently that much? Mawr Um, then then Tyler Lockett.
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I don't know because Tyler Lockett can come down with some really big plays at times.
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Um, to your point, Adam.
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Yes, I fully agree with you.
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Wait until us fourth year.
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Then we could start having this discussion, right? Yeah.
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I will throw an argument into, though, that having Reggie Wayne in Dallas Clark can be an advantage for a guy like Marvin Harrison as well.
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I go back to the Patriots 2000 and seven season when they had Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Ben Watson.
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And this is Ben Watson when he could perform as a tight end Patriot fans, not Ben Watson from last season.
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Um, it does when you have see, I look at it when you just have D K.
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Metcalf. And obviously saddle has Tyler Lockett.
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You can put the all your attention onto it onto a D. K. Metcalf.
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Reggie Wayne could easily have been a number one on somebody else's football team.
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That was one of the benefits they had in Dallas.
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Clark was absolutely phenomenal, so Harrison could still find himself in situations where he is one on one because you can't double team him the whole game, so that can be a benefit to him.
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But I think you're right, though.
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Do you continue to throw the ball for 1600 yards toe one wide receiver? When you have, let's face it, half a Pro Bowl team just, you know, sitting in the sitting in your receiving corps.
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Uh, it's and again from a D. K. Metcalf.
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I'm gonna say this very cautiously because I don't wanna be that guy.
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Okay, I don't want to turn into the guy who Okay, this guy is a superstar.
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It's time to tear him down.
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But when I compare him to a chase Claypool, for instance, who's a rookie and could fall off the map, Maple Tron could fall off the map and being nobody after this season.
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But I see a lot of talent in Chase Claypool I c D.
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K.
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Metcalf being a big freak of nature athlete.
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Does that make sense to you? Guys like E don't see wide receiver talent.
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I see absolute athletic ability.
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And there's another guy who was dominating the league with that athletic ability and Lamar Jackson.
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And now teams have started to figure out how to get around that athletic ability, and now you're starting to see perhaps little cracks in the foundation.
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In Baltimore, I get it's two different positions, but again, you're starting to figure out how to beat the athlete.
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What is DK mccaf gonna do from a talent perspective to take that next step to reach the levels of a Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss and those kind of guys who to me are all on that same level of excellence of wide receivers.
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Yeah, it's when you Sorry, uh, once once that when you have talent, when you have that physical ability, you in orderto have a nen fl history changing player on with you at that level, you also need to have that workhorse mentality to go with it All these greats have always had that that mentality to go with it.
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Marvin Harrison was out there after practice with Peyton Manning, game after game after game him, Reggie Wayne.
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They were out there just throwing footballs, even not during practice.
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You know, just going out to their house and their backyard, throwing the football toe work on their craft.
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D.
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K.
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Metcalf and Russell Wilson will need to do that in order to exemplify exactly how good they are and improve on the that natural, gifted athlete that Matt Cap is.
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I'm sorry, Adam. Go ahead.
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No, no, no problem at all.
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But the way that I look at it, too, is one of the guys that will go down as one of the the great wide receivers.
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Julio Jones 10 years in.
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He has 60 touchdown catches.
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He has one year there had injuries, and it was only in there for five games.
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But this is a dude that dominates.
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This is a dude that plays an explosive offense.
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Before, you had to see news of the world and some other bodies in there.
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But until you drafted Ridley, he's been even the primary number one.
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Look there consistently from a quarterback for whatever.
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Relax is at least you know upper echelon.
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Quarterback isn't career as well.
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It's hard.
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It's a hard number. Get Thio.
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You can have it in president.
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Career come nowhere near that now in decay in my cast corner, I will say, You got your 15 for your career.
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Over two years, you have a bit of a quiet rookie season.
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Or at least when it took a little bit time around into form.
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You got to have for 12 years.
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You do it for 12 years.
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You're in the ballpark of cresting at 1 14 and really getting into that kind of conversation.
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So the longevity of it, what type of receiver are you to raise point? But are you a pure receiver? dedicated Thio getting better and better at route running because that's how you also break the margins on setting all time records.
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He's being great.
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All those little things, staying after practice, going to detail and the other guy.
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When you talk about the benefit of water seizures and Harrison played with You got Davante Adams, who has one of the all time great quarterbacks throwing to him.
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But again, here's a guy that's a 53 touchdowns in his career, far younger than you've had that as far as Julio Jones is concerned.
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But that's still seven years in.
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And I would argue if you gave he had a legit number two there.
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He's the kind of guy, pure wide receiver that I would see possibly being a little break a record like that, and you'll never get that chance, because that wide receiving corps has never been that dynamic is what the Colts had there in that run for Harrison.
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Can we also point out that Russell Wilson is 31 years old? You know what I mean? Like, how long is Russell Wilson gonna play at the level that he's playing at? He's not Tom Brady, who stands in a pocket, you know, and it's protected and falls down when someone goes to hit him.
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This is a guy who consistently has to run for his life.
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This is a guy who takes punishment.
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This is a guy who runs with the football.
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The mobile quarterback is not as durable and doesn't have the longevity of those pocket quarterbacks.
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And to this day, Tom Brady is also the only guy who's proved that they can play into those late years and because Drew Brees is proving that he's not.
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And now he's almost out for the season, how much they with the style that Russell Wilson plays? Is it unfair to say six more years of prime before we start to see some sort of two significant drop off? I think whatever that comes, it will come quick.
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You know, that's the kind of thing unlike a pocket quarterback, like a Brady, that can be one year.
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You look like you still got it, and the next season you the legs just start the legs.
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Er, once the legs go, then everything else becomes more difficult and where Russell Wilson is different.
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So you know who the perfect example that is a Cam Newton.
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Lawrence's saw this on his film breakdown, and I've said it.
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Cam Newton is not the same runner that he once was.
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His east of West is almost non existent.
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He can't scramble.
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Cam Newton, though, is 6 ft three or 6 ft four, whatever it is.
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£240 who could still run people over like a running back.
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So though Cam doesn't have the speed he once had, he still has that sort of Ben Roethlisberger brute strength run down the field, knocked people over.
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Russell Wilson is not that big of a guy.
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He's not gonna play that type of game where he's bullying defense is.
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So when those legs go, he's got nothing left but his arm.
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And can he can? He a transition into being a pocket quarterback because we know he can throw and be, though.
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Well, Seattle, who's never set him up toe, have a good offensive line, put him in a position where he can actually be a pocket quarterback.
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I think right now is that time where Seattle needs to start really looking into putting a lot of focus into that offensive line because I think in the next two or three years Russell Wilson, as you say, his legs were going to get a little bit less a little bit less the next couple years, Um, 33 34 years old, you're gonna start seeing guys get slower, and that's gonna affect his escape ability.
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And that's what makes Russell, uh, dangerous.
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Because, as he's able to extend the play doing that now, will he still be able to extend the play? Yes, but not on a consistent basis in that spectacular passion as what he's been doing the last eight years, Right? So yes, I think Seattle as much as they're going in and they're getting their their their wide receivers and and right now they look like they're trying toe work with their defense a little bit, trying to rebuild a little bit there.
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I think they really need to start focusing on that offensive line.
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Thio to set Wilson up for the long term.
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Well, and there's thing about Wilson to is you could make the case that this is like the best case scenario of this model of quarterback Lee.
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He's accomplished it being into your thirties and being and playing at a high level right now is an accomplishment, because you could go back and listen.
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Vic was on and often at a football, But you saw how he looked different when he came back around the second time.
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You gotta go in, go back to, like, Steve Young from a guy that plays that kind of style and can maintain it for for a long stretch.
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And now, when you look in this game and Kyler Murray to were now taking over there, you know, in, uh, in Miami like and even even Lamar Jackson to that extent Because Cam Newton you see how he suffered? Maybe you can still maintain it, but these air now different dynamic of they've talked.
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You've heard to talk about this of Lamar Jackson? Well, maybe this is, Ah, one day contract and done quarterback.
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You know, Baltimore is trying to squeeze a Super Bowl out of this and then figure it out.
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Like for a bunch of these improved the style of playing mobile guy having to scramble having to.
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You haven't depend on his legs a part of his game.
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That's how the shift in perspective I wonder if Miami looks like that with two and Kyler Murray with the Cardinals.
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It was being like, Hey, if we go to Super Bowl to these guys and obviously it's worth it This isn't about 10, 15 year, 18 year quarterbacks.
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This isn't trying to win a championship and these guys being dynamic enough in a tight window to accomplish that goal.
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And I think when we look at, I know that Michael Vick is always the example that people like to look at when you look in a mobile quarterback and that kind of thing.
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But I will argue that if you want to look at consistency, be not in and out of the league.
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The guy toe look at would actually be Donovan McNabb, and he if you wanna talk about somebody who just dropped who went from, and I argue and I know people for whatever reason, I think that when people ask me who is one of the most underrated quarterbacks of all times, I say Donovan McNabb I said he does not get the respect that he deserves a quarterback, and but you want to talk about a guy who fell off a Cliff.
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You know that Max Kellerman, you know you're gonna be a bum and fall off a cliff.
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Donovan McNabb is the example of falling off a cliff now.
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He got put in bad situations at the end.
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Maybe you could say he was never in a situation where he could actually go on excel, but he suddenly couldn't run anymore.
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He couldn't read anymore.
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He was getting.
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He was seeing ghosts like his career just finished out of nowhere.
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And I think that that's pretty much the formula for pocket passers.
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And there's nothing wrong if you play until 33 34 years old Russell Wilson win a Super Bowl.
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You don't goto another one.
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Finally, when your M V P.
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Goto a bunch of Pro Bowls be an all Pro, you can walk away at 35 years old.
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Go to your beautiful wife who's a singer, I think right or singer and actress and live in your mansion and sit by a pool with your feet and you know, in your feet in the pool with your beats by Dre is and live a good life.
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There's nothing.
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There's no shame in what you did but unless you're going to convert and become a Tom Brady Peyton Manning type of passer.
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And they're gonna put a big offensive line in front of you which, by the way, cost money, which takes weapons away from either your defense or you're receiving corps and let them protect you.
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And actually get your you know, another version of Marshawn Lynch so you can run the football.
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Because as much as I like Russell Wilson, I will say, Yeah, they're they're scoring a lot of touchdowns.
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This Seattle offense was way more dynamic, with a Russell Wilson quarterback and Marshawn Lynch in his prime running the football like a beast.
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Whereas when it's coming to be Russell's hand, I mean, there's six and three and they're sick.
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They're not.
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They're not at the top of the NFC for a reason.
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Well, uh, on the totality for Russell, Wilson already has almost 33,000 yards for his career to 55 to 78.
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Touchdown to interception, like the numbers are already good.
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And if he sticks around for you know, said even a couple of 234 more years, he'll feel 300 touchdown quarterback like he's already done it to raise point like you can hang it up.
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You can.
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You can get up the next two years and feel fantastic about what he's done for his career, specifically inside of this season and having that balance for this team when you go inside Russell Wilson's number that I know that people loved him now over these last day, four games or so, everything over the course of the season is trending in the wrong direction for him.
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He went from having his best to be yards over the first five games, the three out of his two best four or in the first four weeks of the season.
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He finished just this past week against the rains, obviously, with the Disasters Q B R rating there, too.
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But but the the interceptions were going up.
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The past attempts are going up.
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I almost think seven or eight attempts per game over the last four games.
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He's averaging closer to 40 than 33 it's because they can't rely on the running game they've had.
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Obviously, your starters been out of there in Carson and you don't have any other guys to balance out either and That's just most of the price that you pay for a mobile quarterback when you pay in the big money and then you don't have the money to keep the line in front of them and you don't you can't bring in backs etcetera like that balancing act.
00:18:39
So you know, I don't gild a lily about where I'm leading in this, but you're seeing two versions of the same type of quarterback, and right now, they're seasons are starting to go in opposite directions.
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That's a great lead into this game right now, because, quite frankly, the C ock season started.
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That's downturn the last time these two teams met.
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Since the Cardinals beat the Seahawks in overtime, the Seahawks are are one and three, and the Cardinals are four out of their last five with winds.
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So this is a two different teams.
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This is two teams on completely different trajectories right now, and the NFC West is absolutely a coin flip at this point on which team's gonna win it.
00:19:29
Um, Ray, what are your thoughts about this game and the second matchup between the Cardinals and the Seahawks this season? It's gonna be a game that I don't like.
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I'm I love.
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I love defense.
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You know, I kind of like that.
00:19:47
I liked that Baltimore Patriots game where you kind of have, you know, under 24 points, a couple teams just slugging it out.
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I like dirty games.
00:19:55
I like when I like when we're talking about player of the games and we're talking about Chase Win a ***** and J.
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C.
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Jackson and not Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson.
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The player of the game was the hurricane, wouldn't it? Well, it was, but Patriots weather machine.
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But don't get me started on that.
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After hearing Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson whine about the weather, I said, You know, why don't you be professional football players here? But it's gonna be a very high scoring game.
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And going back to what? We were just talking about the tie into this game.
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Adams Absolutely right.
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Everything about Russell Wilson is trending in the wrong direction.
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He was number one in Pff for the last.
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I think six or straight weeks he's now drop down to three were on the other side.
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Kyler Murray was 20th, and he's now sitting at, I believe, 13th.
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I'll confirm that 11th.
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So you're starting to see two quarterbacks going in different directions, right? You're starting to almost see that impasse.
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You're almost starting to see.
00:20:52
Perhaps maybe a little bit of, Ah, we're getting close to a changing of the guard type of thing, and you got to defense is I can't stop anybody tonight.
00:21:02
And you got, I think, the best running offense in the NFL in Arizona, against the best passing offense in the NFL, in Seattle and in this type of game, it's going to come down to what defense can make a stop or force a turnover.
00:21:23
And I think it's gonna I'll tell you what guys, this game is going to come down to somebody shooting themselves in the foot.
00:21:31
But I'll tell you this much.
00:21:35
If you had to make me guess, I would tell you.
00:21:39
We see something very similar that we saw in their first game.
00:21:41
In the same thing we see at a Seattle, I see the Seattle Seahawks coming out to a two score lead and squandering it at some point in the game in Arizona being on top whether they win or lose.
00:21:53
I haven't decided yet, but at some point, I think Seattle's gonna prove that not having a defense and not having a run game you can't sustain leads because you can't kill clock Adam.
00:22:07
Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of on board there.
00:22:09
And when they said, See how we're getting out of the early lead? Because I was ****ing figure out.
00:22:14
Like, How does end up, though? This thing is still close to think that the Cardinals kind of have this edge in it, but the lack of that defense for Arizona as well, So maybe you get out there and slowly bleeds for you instead.
00:22:24
Russell Wilson's thrown some bad red zone interceptions this year.
00:22:27
Nine touchdowns, two interceptions for Kyler Murray over the last five games, just a supplement.
00:22:32
That idea all those Q b r s are kind of right now, by the way, Murray is capable of peace and valleys, right? Like he rises and falls this week.
00:22:40
He did have a 37% completion percentage, you know, about five or six games ago.
00:22:43
So he's capable of looking bad and stretches still in just a second year.
00:22:50
The interesting, Very interesting, but we talked about receivers before Metcalf in what is he? And what is the league learned about him and how the defending him differently.
00:22:58
There's a guy who just called game winning touchdown among three Giants in the end zone against the Bills, who has plenty of time to understand.
00:23:07
They can't figure him out like the wide receiver matchup just has to favor the Cardinals because you have experienced there, even though the carnal defense isn't good.
00:23:15
Also, look at the secondary thing capability of plays getting made there.
00:23:19
You could control that receiving corps lock.
00:23:20
It might not be available this game, or at least not fully healthy in this game.
00:23:23
No Carson for Seattle in this game, Griffin is out in the secondary for the officers.
00:23:28
Well, the quarterback position, not his, his brother, the linebacker there.
00:23:32
That's the problem to like, injuries, role in all the key wrong places for Seattle in this game.
00:23:37
I wouldn't be surprised to think I leave like I said, but I look at the Cardinals and say, maybe it is changing in the Garden is pointed out.
00:23:44
This feels that the kind of game when they make a statement about what the rest of their season is gonna look like and what the rest of Seattle season's gonna look like, especially when you're talking about battling for a playoff spot here.
00:23:54
Could I also take just touch on that that touchdown pass against the Buffalo Bills last week to because I haven't had an opportunity to speak about it on SportsCastr News? Um, but you could go offensive line here to credit the offensive line, right? What? What? He ran.
00:24:08
I had to run all the way out to the hash before he urged all most of the silent.
00:24:12
No, actually, I the reason I really talked about and I called that live when we're doing the pregame show it was.
00:24:18
But after I've had timeto watch the replays and adjust, you know, I think that Kyler Murray got too much credit for what happened on that play there.
00:24:31
By the way I described it to people is it was a good throw.
00:24:34
It was, you know, I mean, it was a good throw.
00:24:35
He put it in a spectacular catch, right, and it's to me.
00:24:42
People were comparing it to Aaron Rodgers.
00:24:44
Hail Mary throws.
00:24:45
And I didn't because I watched Hail Mary come from Aaron Rodgers at the ball actually goes exactly to a guy who's covered by one person.
00:24:55
And they have.
00:24:56
They have designed Hail Mary matchups.
00:24:59
Where is the Andre Hopkins leaped over Troy Davis White, one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL, with by the way to other Buffalo Bills with him and and caught a pass by 3 ft.
00:25:12
You know where it wasn't when you watch the replay, it wasn't even close.
00:25:15
That was gonna be a catch every time And, um, a good throw.
00:25:20
But that that was more of just DeAndre Hopkins Proving why Lawrence I fought so hard this offseason to say he's the best was wide receiver in the NFL e.
00:25:32
I will just throw in that, he said.
00:25:34
It is more on the catch than the past, but when you watch it back, it's three.
00:25:39
Impressive thing for me is that for his Yungas, Murray Waas is he understood.
00:25:44
Once he got to the end line like he set himself and did that flick throw the That seems kind of odd in terms of his leg motion, but that's his natural kind of way.
00:25:52
It was impressive that he got out there and knew like, Hey, if I'm gonna try to do this, I can't just be going out of bounds lobbying one out there.
00:26:00
I have to at least put this thing on a line that gets Hopkins the chance to say, If I get in front of this thing now, it's just a jump ball for me to go get more impressive catch end of it because that's even though some of the best riders that could be in a position and go up for it if they don't catch it, you're not saying he blew it.
00:26:18
You know, you're saying, Oh, that's what happens And the level of confidence when you saw things going tours Hopkins was like, This feels like a tough down here in spite of all the players around.
00:26:26
In spite of the talent around, he's like, Oh, yeah, touchdown Hopkins.
00:26:29
So maybe you're right.
00:26:30
Maybe he's been, you know, somewhat insanely overlooked in that regard as far as where he should be in the hierarchy.
00:26:37
Yeah, because when you watch the replay, it's crazy how unclos that was to being blocked like that was a catch every time.
00:26:45
That's a catch 10 out of 10 times that just amazing bite.
00:26:47
Lawrence got through a question that you because we kind of talked about this off air while Adam was trying not to be Mr Roboto.
00:26:55
And we talked about both these Seattle in Arizona teams and how both of them are kind of lucky to even be in the position they are in the way.
00:27:03
They're they're competing in their division because we were just talking about that, you know, spectacular catch and throw by Murray and in DeAndre Hopkins when I will argue.
00:27:12
The Buffalo Bills never should even let Arizona in that position, But the Buffalo Bills should have had a three score lead, and that game shouldn't even come down to a Hail Mary or a Josh Allen drive down the field.
00:27:23
I consistently watched Buffalo shoot themselves in the foot time and time again.
00:27:28
You think about Arizona's first win over Seattle.
00:27:31
Seattle blows a big lead.
00:27:32
Do you think about how many times we I mean we when they were undefeated, all three of us sat on this show instead.
00:27:38
At some point you got your If you keep blowing these leads, it's gonna come back and bite you, and it finally started.
00:27:43
You know, we almost look like geniuses, guys.
00:27:46
It's almost like you know what we're talking about because we're starting to see it happen now.
00:27:50
But Arizona is the same way.
00:27:51
They've lost the bad teams like Detroit and again shouldn't even have been in that Buffalo game.
00:27:58
And I don't put it on Arizona for coming back against Buffalo.
00:28:02
I really put that on Buffalo just shot themselves in the foot time and time again.
00:28:07
So when you watch these two teams tonight, I think that this is gonna be the This is gonna be the game that's going to determine what's gonna happen with these two teams because I don't think you talk about the streak and it's a Kyler Murray dead on.
00:28:20
We talked about the streaking into the Seahawks dead on.
00:28:23
If I If I'm the I don't know, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with Green Bay Packers.
00:28:27
I'm not scared of either of these two teams.
00:28:30
If I got to see them in the NFC championship game because we know that we there's no guarantee that either of these two dominant teams they're gonna come out on the field.
00:28:42
Well, I mean, when you're talking about the other two teams.
00:28:45
They actually has somewhat of a defense.
00:28:48
I mean, and and and it seems as though whenever, uh, Seattle place a team with somewhat of a defense and indecent offense, things just turned ugly for him quickly.
00:29:00
Russell Wilson, in the last six games, has nine interceptions.
00:29:04
Nine.
00:29:05
He's only had 11 in a season for his career.
00:29:08
That's the most he's ever had in one season.
00:29:10
He's got nine in the last six games.
00:29:13
I mean, my goodness.
00:29:14
Kyler Murray has less interceptions and Russell Wilson does right now and only seven, and and and Russell's got 10.
00:29:20
So now could that be more invective of Seattle not having a run game and forcing Seattle and that Could that be a reason to that? Seattle blows leads, because when you're just passing the ball down the field, you're not taking time off the clock, right? You're just you're just you're not chewing up clock.
00:29:36
You're just chewing up yards that to your point and nine games.
00:29:40
Russell Wilson has already thrown 334 past attempts.
00:29:45
Jeez, that's pushing over 600 pass attempts in a season he's never went over 553.
00:29:53
He's already on pace for over 600.
00:29:56
And that's why again, when we talk about the P conversation with little center who is worthy of not worthy of it, of course, it's all relative to the you know what the team is and what the game script end up looking like what you're trying to do right on a week to week basis.
00:30:09
Ray, you said about like, you look back, is both East teams, right? Why? I think it has to win this game, because if you want to separate yourself and make the case that you're you're as good as your record will be at seven and three, it has to be.
00:30:22
That took you over time to do it.
00:30:24
And you didn't look great in that Murray the last time you played Seattle.
00:30:26
But it has to be.
00:30:27
You beat Seattle because when you go back and look at Seattle's record and the teams that played Falcons Patriot early in the year is for whatever the Patriots are the season the Cowboys, you gotta win against the Dolphins, the other ones against the Vikings and the 40 Niners, well into the season where they've been completely decimated by injuries.
00:30:45
They have one quality win on the record Right now.
00:30:50
They've lost to the good teams ahead of them.
00:30:52
And the weird thing is, though, in spite of all of that, look at the remaining schedule.
00:30:57
And Seattle can keep winning games down the stretch here because they're going to get the NFC East.
00:31:01
Three out of the four NFC East teams they have in the back end of schedule, with the Jets sandwiched in between after the Cardinals game, they play Eagles, Giants, Jets, Washington and then they'll close out with the Rams, followed up by again a decimated 40 Niners team.
00:31:13
So in spite of this, that's got to be the easiest second half schedule in football.
00:31:18
And this is why the Packers, the Bucks, both those teams can feel good because there's a world where you have a division winner and a wild card and needed for one of them is over the dangerous.
00:31:30
I'd still be more concerned about what the Cardinals can do because I think their defense can, you know, massage themselves into being respectable about playoffs.
00:31:38
Seattle has no chance on that side of the ball.
00:31:40
There's that defense is bad.
00:31:42
We're gonna be bad the rest of the year, and the offense is gonna ride way too much on Wilson without a complimentary run game.
00:31:48
It just they're not.
00:31:49
It's weird.
00:31:50
The record says one thing, but they're not a good football team in totality.
00:31:56
Yeah, they got a they got a win by shootouts, and that's that's the only way Seattle can win.
00:32:01
Um, even with Jamal Adams on the field, Jamal Adams over the last four weeks does not look like the same Jamal Adams that we've seen.
00:32:09
Uh, when he was with the Jets, let alone, you know, when he when he first came in tow Seattle and he he was making some plays early on with Seattle.
00:32:18
But as of late, he just does not look the same.
00:32:22
And I'm wondering if that has to do with the players around him, not holding up their end as well.
00:32:30
What the injuries and things of that nature, or is is, is Jamal Adams, now a very good player on a really good team, where sometimes when you play on a really bad team, you could look like a superstar when you're the Onley shining light and some of your deficiencies can be kind of hidden because you're Jamal Adams.
00:32:50
Well, they're putting the game against me because I would argue with you right now if you said to me Hey, Ray, you know all the safeties air available in the NFC Where the South? No.
00:33:00
Yeah, they're the South, right.
00:33:01
All the all of the players in the NFC South are available.
00:33:04
Who do you want? I'm like, I don't know Buddha Baker.
00:33:07
Probably not Jamal Adams.
00:33:09
Well, I don't I would argue that the Jets defense is better than Seattle's defense.
00:33:13
Well, yeah, but I'm saying but But when you got a losing record, when you're that bad, you are the shining light on a bad team, right? Don't forget.
00:33:22
I mean, Adam, you're you're from New Jersey.
00:33:23
Before the whole trade to the Cowboys, talk started last trade deadline was always at least we have Jamal Adams.
00:33:29
That's our building block.
00:33:30
We can build around Sam Donald on offense and Jamal Adams on defense.
00:33:33
I was always the building block.
00:33:34
Well, now you're in Seattle, where it's like, Hey, we have a dynamic offense.
00:33:38
You gotta come save our defense.
00:33:40
It almost reminds me and not to the same level, but Mohammed Sunu coming to the Patriots offense last year when he was supposed to be the savior, whose finally gonna be that legitimate weapon for Brady after Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon kind of flake out right.
00:33:53
And then it doesn't happen.
00:33:55
That's a little bit of Jonathan Stewart to the New York Giants, right? That's what we all thought when he came in there, really take over this backfield to become reputation.
00:34:03
No, but I think I think you're right, though that feels 100% true.
00:34:08
I wanna see where launch where you wanna go there because I just have another throwing tidbit here around why Arizona should be better in this game and also over the rest of the season.
00:34:17
Go ahead, go because we talk about offensive line play from Seattle and how it's it's bad, and it's putting Russell in bad spots coming into the season by pro football.
00:34:26
Focus for whatever stock you want to put it in banking the offensive line plan and you know about the eye test as well on this.
00:34:32
Don't just trust and I'll go over to them.
00:34:34
But the King is one of the worst rated offensive lines and that we just knew they were gonna have problems.
00:34:38
There are 22nd now in terms of offensive line place.
00:34:41
So again, trajectory, not just of the quarterback.
00:34:43
Or, if you want to line it up, the offensive line.
00:34:45
Players getting better for Arizona and Kyler.
00:34:47
Murray is playing better over the course of the season.
00:34:50
Seattle's offensive line has not shown improvement, and they've been dealing with injuries across that as well.
00:34:54
And Russell Wilson isn't showing consistency or improvement.
00:34:57
But the correlation I know this is very, very loves offensive line talk.
00:35:00
But this is This is why I think Arizona should win this game and look good, at least be compared with the rest of the season because you are your younger learning.
00:35:08
That's what Arizona is.
00:35:09
Seattle is older and building in terms of what you know what? What is the video? How do better? How do we improve ourselves? There's a different points of their franchises right now.
00:35:21
Yeah, I'm sorry.
00:35:22
My supposed to jump in there.
00:35:23
I'm not sure, but yeah, No, absolutely.
00:35:25
I think that it z there's a lot more positives around Arizona.
00:35:33
Then there is around Seattle, away from just a typical okay, So if you erase, If you took Kyler, Murray and DeAndre Hopkins and Larry Fitzgerald and Tyler, Lockett and uM, D. K.
00:35:46
Metcalf and Russell Wilson out of the equation and those six guys weren't playing this football game, Arizona by far is the Mawr talented football team.
00:35:58
I mean, with Kenyan Drake alone, who's not even having sort of that season.
00:36:02
They were expecting after he looked like he, you know, was rejuvenated after being traded away from Miami.
00:36:08
But you talk about the offensive line.
00:36:10
Yeah, third in past blocking, right? I.
00:36:14
I'm not sure where they rank and run blocking, but they're one of the best run blocked or one of the best running teams in the NFL, so they got to be ranked pretty high as well.
00:36:21
Seattle is awful when you look at defensive rankings, it's Seattle's almost at the bottom of the heap, right where they their their overall defense is 14th on Pff.
00:36:34
And yes, I don't just believe Pff, but I'm an ****ytics guy and Lawrence, except for one time, the ****ytical numbers have always matched your film right and you and I have proved that ****ytics works and film review works.
00:36:49
And when you put the two together, it's the most dynamic way to assess what's happening with the football team and Arizona just they outscore everywhere.
00:36:58
When you take those three guys on each team out of the equation, this is Arizona's game. It's not even close.
00:37:05
I do have a question about Arizona and their defense.
00:37:09
Is it time for the Cardinals to really go deep in this upcoming draft into the secondary? I believe that when you got an aging Patrick Peterson, who is being burnt a lot this year, and Jonathan Joseph, who is an ancient person as well, and Drakkar Patrick, who's on the wrong side of 30 all being your top cornerbacks right now on your team, is it time to start dipping into that that draft pool and picking a little high when it comes to corner to try to give your defense toe help, which will help against preventing other teams from being able to keep up with your with your offense? Well, that's where Arizona is now, right? It's, um, uh, I'll compared to the Patriots.
00:37:56
If we could um, for For the last 10 years, the topics have been defensive lineman, cornerbacks, linebackers because the offense was established, right? And that's what you've been doing.
00:38:10
Arizona is now established their offense.
00:38:11
Now you're starting to look at cornerbacks safety, offensive lineman.
00:38:15
Interior linemen edge those complimentary pieces that make your team better.
00:38:22
100% agree.
00:38:23
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna add to it the they're ready to now go into the next draft, fill the key pieces and be really dangerous for the next two or three seasons.
00:38:32
All right, so we're about 40 minutes into this stream before we give our picks.
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00:42:23
Ray. Let's hear what you got.
00:42:26
Okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna go with the games in Arizona, Right? Correct.
00:42:33
No, it's in Seattle.
00:42:36
I'm gonna go with Seattle now.
00:42:38
Yeah, without the 12th man.
00:42:42
I'm gonna go with Arizona.
00:42:44
If the 12th man was there, then I go with Seattle.
00:42:46
Uh, score.
00:42:47
103 to 1 102.
00:42:50
No, no, it's gonna be what's the over under? Because I'm taking e.
00:42:55
I'm taking the over.
00:42:56
I think it's gonna be like I think each team's gonna have.
00:42:59
It's gonna be, like, 37 toe like 33.
00:43:01
You're expecting a very similar game the last time.
00:43:04
Where, you know? Yeah.
00:43:06
Which means, guys, if I said it, that means this game is gonna be 10 7.
00:43:09
Just so you know, because that's how I pay.
00:43:11
Almost almost got it.
00:43:14
E At the end of the show, they shot into the mic.
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There's too good, though.
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00:43:25
Um, yeah, I I agree with Ray e Think I'm kind of in the last game that we picked where I went, I was Oh, the Vikings game.
00:43:32
Right, Lawrence, take that one.
00:43:35
And I thought I thought we're all gonna go in the same direction and then being out on the island.
00:43:38
What? I'd like to start the trend and beyond the island.
00:43:41
But for all the things we talked about, I think Arizona takes care of this getting getting points, let alone, uh, the over, I think maybe narrowly, you know, 34.
00:43:50
31 is fine by me, right in that range.
00:43:52
So I'll take Arizona and let's see, let's see them get us excited toe Watch them against the Green Bay Packers.
00:43:57
Right in the playoffs.
00:43:58
Like I want to see them really surge over the back half of this season.
00:44:01
Yeah, with me.
00:44:02
Um, I see Kyler.
00:44:05
Murray has just been on the uptick over the last five weeks.
00:44:09
And Russell? Man, he's like I said, he's turning the football over. Consistent.
00:44:15
He's got seven interceptions in in the last four games.
00:44:19
Last game against the Rams.
00:44:21
He was awful, right? Awful.
00:44:23
Yes, he had 248 passing yards, but I mean yeah, six.
00:44:28
He was sacked six times, threw two interceptions, no touchdowns.
00:44:33
What? I guess I see the Cardinals defense being able to at least get pressure on him with their front with their front seven.
00:44:43
And Russell's gonna have to force the ball a few times.
00:44:46
You might see a couple turnovers in this game.
00:44:49
This.
00:44:50
Actually, I think this is a game that could end up being a blowout just because if the Cardinals jump out to a big lead we're used to talking about if Seattle gets into a big league and squanders it, What if the Cardinals jump out to the big lead? Early on? I think that's the scary situation.
00:45:07
And if that happens, I don't see Seattle having any shot in this game.
00:45:10
I got the Cardinals winning by at least 10.
00:45:13
Wow.
00:45:14
You know, early lead behind that line used great used mens.
00:45:20
You can paint a picture for me, Lawrence.
00:45:22
Impressive.
00:45:23
I will listen to Lawrence on this one.
00:45:24
Don't listen to me.
00:45:25
Especially listen to, right.
00:45:26
No, no.
00:45:27
Listen to me.
00:45:28
No, no, I'm just 10.
00:45:29
That's bold, man.
00:45:30
And but you know what? Lawrence has been spot on the last three weeks.
00:45:33
So if you're betting, I'm just saying.
00:45:35
And if you're wrong, don't break my knees.
00:45:38
All right.
00:45:39
Well, thank you, everybody.
00:45:41
Thank you, Adam.
00:45:42
Thank you, Ray, for joining me here on SportsCastr, as we always do on Thursday Night football.
00:45:47
Join us back here.
00:45:48
Tomorrow morning, me and Adam will break down the Thursday night football game because, you know, we're watching that game and we'll let you know what we saw.
00:45:58
Yeah, I'm not working tomorrow.
00:46:02
Would you be okay if I joined you as well? Oh, that would be so awesome.
00:46:06
The three of us break it down in the three of us.
00:46:08
Talk about three of us.
00:46:10
About how all three of us got this game utterly wrong.
00:46:13
All right. So bad.
00:46:18
I'm telling you, just come back.
00:46:19
It's It's that'll be in.
00:46:21
Uh, what about 14 hours from now? So but if you watch the game, take a nap under the string.
00:46:27
Yeah.
00:46:28
And if you really wanted to, you know, catch a break during halftime tonight, 9 p.m.
00:46:31
Eastern time, dp on commentaries on.
00:46:32
So you can check that out as well.
00:46:34
Absolutely.
00:46:35
Uh, I was going to join Ray, but I have previous engagements.
00:46:40
But if I'm back in times fault, not Lawrence's fault, because I wait until today to ask him.
00:46:46
So Now, I might, uh, if you want to drop that to me and if I'm back in time, maybe I'll join you when I get back.
00:46:53
And I'll see if you're still rolling strong.
00:46:55
Well, we gotta actually pretty packed shows we might be, so I'll drop the link for you tonight for sure.
00:46:59
All right, Well, thank you, everybody.
00:47:01
Thank you, everyone, for joining.
00:47:02
Please don't forget that That smash light and share and until next time, as usual, Have a good one.
00:47:09
Yeah.
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