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Joined by Matt Brooks for the post draft Really wrapped up and did not necessarily go the way that I think a lot of people were anticipating last night.
Don't worry, as we just finished up our deep dive.
Brooklyn Nets 19th pick for Sham it in the three team deal there.
So we got that out of our system before we came on so we could talk about more pertinent information first and foremost.
Matt, how are you on a Thursday morning? I'm dead right now.
I'm gonna be honest, like I'm here.
The coffee is hitting some waking up.
This is gonna be my high today.
I'm gonna you know, it's it was a long night.
Um, but a fun one.
I mean, I don't know how you feel.
Did you watch it on Twitter while you were on Twitter? And you kind of stay off it because I wish I had done that well, so that yeah, I like the combination of things because woes is obviously doing his thing and just letting everybody know the picks, what had happened? So it's great if you just want to get the information.
And I had some other stuff that I was supposed to be doing a live coverage of, so it's good to have woes available, so you get a little tip.
But my preference would be to just sit back and watch it unfold on TV because it is exciting and it is interesting.
And there is something that, like it loses all of its sizzle when it's just like word goes targeting.
All at three you know, are putting in on are eyeing like he uses every single word under the sun until, like, not officially say that they're picking this player of this pick.
So it does take some of the cash out of it.
So, yeah, unfortunately, I was doing a combination of it, which yeah, it builds.
It builds a little bit a little bit on the fun.
I mean, it's Ah, I don't know.
I totally understand that.
It's it's part of the It's part of the business that this has been going on.
For, what, 56 I don't even know how many years they've been leaking the pics like this, but, um uh whoa just is at least fun because he tries to be creative about it.
So he uses different verbs.
And I was mad they didn't do the laser.
That was one of my favorite draft moments ever where he goes, I don't remember what pick it was because whatever x team has a laser on, you know, expert Prospect.
It was just like one of my favorite on I don't know who never laughs are and I don't know who busted a busted woes his chops on Twitter of fellow.
Yeah, he's like, Where's the break out the laser? He's, like, Shut up! Like it was like such a such a like ball of your chop busting movie.
You know what that's like? That it's all right to have a little bit of a well so, uh, e show, like a little bit of personality, like That's just nice, like the I mean look like they both have such a high profile jobs, especially woes.
I like what was showing.
Personality is always cool.
Like he has his moments.
He does it every couple of months.
Uh, you know, like he did.
I remember what it was like the count, the countless something.
He made some joke around the election or something like that.
And I I just I like it.
And Low is obviously, like, just his.
He's always full of, like, jokes and stuff like that.
So it was great.
It was fun from that side of it.
Um and I I mean, I I think the reason I bring that up is because this draft was so all over the place that yeah, So that would have been the excitement if you didn't know it would have been Whoa, wait a minute.
You're saying this guy, that guy so andan there's a couple of these and we'll touch on a lot of them.
I mean, the first one to kind of think about here, I I think at least is this the idea of I'm not saying falling per se, but the ball brothers, right? The brand, he's expanding, but he ends up falling quote unquote to three you obviously have as we start to talk about it beforehand.
Um, when you're thinking about having Anthony Edwards go to the Timberwolves, it seems like some some teams in in this draft did what you expect them to do.
The Timberwolves take a guy who feels like by report, sports.
Is he fully in love with playing basketball? And what a familiar thing for Minnesota to do? A cat has that kind of moniker around when he was coming in and so did Anthony Wiggins in a lot of ways, and they were able to move on from him.
So it's like Minnesota going to stick to what they know.
Take guys that have, you know, high, high reward, maybe a little bit of risk.
Well, you could touch on him, but the ball piece getting down to three and going to Charlotte.
What does that feel like to you? Because what does that team now around him, like that's one that I'm very intrigued by? You have all these other pieces there in Charlotte, and it feels like they need to do something now.
Now you have ball.
Okay, great. You know, what he is.
What are you building around him to? To fill out that roster and then be exciting.
Now you have a potentially a legit start.
So I want the guy I'm bringing on my show tonight.
I had him on last week, uh, hardwood Harold as he's known.
E guess on the Internet.
Uh, he did a little video.
I watched a little clip of this before he came on here, but hey, did a video on his YouTube channel kind of detail ing it a little bit.
And he's really high on it.
Like he's like, This is a great fit for him.
He's playing next to a scoring guard and Devante Graham.
They have Miles Bridges.
Who's, you know, he called it like a poor man's Lonzo and and Zion, which I like like it's kind of like that.
He's got a bunch of little pieces around him, p J.
Washington to who's like a stretch four.
I mean, it's a bunch of guys that kind of need a connector, somebody to kind of get them the ball.
Terry Rozier Also, if if he of course, stays, that's another guy like improve the three point stroke he hit about 40% of his threes this last year.
Um, he likes it.
I get it. I kind of agree.
I mean, you know, if he goes to Yeah, Minnesota, that za tough fit.
I mean, that's, you know, it is It is tricky.
Like he's got two guys, and he's got to be, like, grown up right away.
Um, Golden State, Who the hell knows way? Don't know what that's gonna look like this next year, and then you go down.
It's like the bulls.
That could have been an interesting fit.
The Cavs, they've already got guards.
You know, the Hawks.
I don't like him next to trade.
So it's like if you're really looking at all the spots that could have landed, I actually don't think this is a bad spot.
And, you know, I mean, let's be honest, those new Hornets jerseys.
It was new Hornets jersey flash a little bit.
I'm looking at a ball jersey and in the New Jersey, I'm like, man like if if he's good, that's a sick jersey.
It's interesting to think about that.
You know, this is a team that at least looked better last year than they have in recent memory.
They have young players there.
You throw a ball into the Knicks, and it will be interesting to watch them this year and see if they're one of those teams.
If they're in the Phoenix.
Kind of bold right off.
Hey, young team bubbling up, trying to be on the fringe of the playoffs and trying to make some noise before we move off of them.
Any chance that they get the Jordan ball matchup? That that was highly touted, one on one Who who takes it? I don't know if I ever want to see those two in a room together, What e.
Or are there just like they collect their like we get it, we get each other right.
I know it s so interesting to think about like that player on that team under that former player.
But regardless, you mentioned Golden State as well.
I don't want to drag down the fun of the draft, but unfortunately, man the news around around Clay Thompson, suffering another leg injury on the other leg now, while trying to recover from the previous leg injury, Um, you know, they end up taking Weitzman there I mean, we talked about before we got on like, this is a They're in a weird spot now.
It feels like like now the aging core looks even older now.
Because now, ah, guy who's dealt with injuries is continuing to deal with injuries.
What is it that has this impact them, So they are they still gonna hold on to It is this is this is forced them to think about making some type of move with the core of this roster.
So it's tricky for them, is they? This happens an hour before the draft.
Can you imagine this? You have eight months.
You're planning every move.
You've got some trades in place.
You've got your pick in case those trades more fruit, right? And then I mean look like, like, literally the worst possible thing could have happened.
I don't The preliminary stuff is saying it's Achilles related.
I'm really hoping it isn't that I'm hoping it's a calf strain or something like that.
Like one of those injuries that looks kind of similar, but it doesn't end up being that I mean fingers crossed because a league without clay sucks.
I mean, clay is awesome.
and is what everybody's like.
So for a Warriors team without clay is not doesn't suck.
Take out revenge tour warriors like they were supposed to be.
This awesome team that you know is coming out and saying, Oh, you forgot about us.
Oh, you you thought that we weren't going to be in the mix this year.
You thought that Clippers were better than us like all this stuff.
And now it's like I don't know.
I mean, it's kind of a drag, So the question for them becomes, Do they keep Wiseman? And if they do, I think we'll know pretty quickly if they want to do that.
You know something? I mean the words leak everything.
So they'll be like, Oh, it looks amazing and training Campbell's if that's actually true, But you know, for them like they're looking at a position, where are they? The stealth hard in trade? Are they going to say, Let's take this this James Wiseman pick who I'm sure has many tutors and and people that are interested across the league.
He's probably the highest ceiling, because by the way, that's not That is not not at all a coincidence that he is probably the highest ceiling player in this entire class.
Maybe other than Anthony Edwards.
Obviously, um, you know, this is a guy that, like he could be one of these great great Chris, Paul, Chris, Chris, Paul, Chris, Boss My first one of the day.
It's so it's gonna be a lot of these things Chris Bosh, like Biggs.
So you could take him in that pick next year that you have from Minnesota and say, Hey, Houston, we saw that that deal that Brooklyn was throwing you that don't even think about that again.
Here's what we got for you.
Like we got to lottery picks right now, potentially top five picks right now.
So we would they would they would they? Would you throw like, Would you try to throw a dream on into that mix there again? No.
You know, you're gaining and losing things, But remember to these guys are all on relatively big contracts as faras, you know, balancing the books when you're still gonna have plays number on there, even if he's not physically on the court.
Yeah, I think you throw him in there and I think you say Hey, use this.
And you know what? People will be interested in Draymond green.
They will, because every single team is looking for a point forward of sorts.
Yeah, he isn't shooting the ball well, but, I mean, you know, he's kind of a mystery man right now, right? Like nobody really knows if Draymond still in his prime or if he's still you could still bring it defensively.
But that kind of helps them in a lot of ways.
Because you're in a position now where you're like, Hey, you could move this guy.
Look what the look? What the? Okay, See, Thunder just did.
They said, Okay, we're gonna just three, okay, See, draft class the next in perpetuity.
They're not gonna bother with any other team s, So I mean, look like, I think I think that's that's worth thinking about.
And yeah, like you're not getting that young star back.
I mean, you could make the case that they are.
If you're really like Wiseman.
I mean, I think it's worth it.
I I would I would heavily consider it.
And you know what if if Clay gets healthy, all of a sudden, you have a 123 of Step Harden and Clay, and you have to figure out the rest later.
But you at least have that in the mix.
A couple of weird ones as you move through the draft, or at least the ones you know from from all of the ****ysts standpoint, seemed to be a little bit surprising.
But then, on the back end, maybe it's more positive you mentioned before we started Patrick Williams going to Chicago.
You get down toe topping there.
For the Knicks, that seemed to be a relatively kind of question marked pick when they took him there.
Seems like a great kid is from the area.
I think he's from Brooklyn, so he's, you know, staying at home, which is nice.
But then, no, it was necessarily the need that they had there.
And then even a guy, uh, that's also double check that.
No, these guys got traded on the back end because that was happening.
Left, right, and center Jaylin Smith.
Going to Phoenix was an odd one.
That's one of the guys that, like we, Doug and I were talking about looking at him as far as like a possibility.
He was mocked at least once loosely to the Nets at 19.
And when we looked at it, I was like, uh, you know, a lot of rawness here, lot to develop.
And the idea that he went all the way up a 10 was pretty surprising to May s over there.
Any names that jumped out of there at the state's 1st 10 to 12, where you were like, either.
Why hasn't this guy gone up here or a little bit surprising that that one of these teams took a chance on somebody like this? Yeah, Patrick Williams was the one where I did inaudible.
Whoa, like a like that is really high.
For somebody who, let's be honest, was probably top was like probably like, 20 ish two weeks ago.
I mean, that's a huge rise, and we have this every couple of years where a guy jumps like that.
That was the one that really surprised me.
Jaylin Smith to was like they've kind of earned the benefit of the day.
It's weird saying that about the sons, but they your your atan, Kim Johnson, Cam Johnson and my like McCall bridges like I'm like E don't know.
They're they're starting toe.
I think James Jones is a really good general manager on.
I did not expect that because his first a couple of moves like the T.
Warren just getting rid of him for nothing.
I was like, Okay, this is This is a disaster already and throwing crazy money at Ricky Rubio.
Which, by the way, is the reason that you netted Chris Paul.
I thought that was a terrible deal.
What had happened? Um, so I don't know what to think of that.
I think it's a reach a little bit, but I mean, look, if it works, like all of a sudden, you have somebody like I don't know if you'll start right away, but he's a guy that makes a little bit of sense.
Could play a little bit of four and five.
I mean, we'll see.
Um, he's a rookie, and you just you never really know these things.
They're trying to make the playoffs right away, but I think those two are the surprising ones.
The one that also surprised me was a video of falling so far.
Yeah, and he felt like and I don't know, I'm curious to know why.
I wonder if teams just looked at what he's supposed to be, which is like this multifaceted ball handler, you know, a little bit of a creator.
But they realized, like, you look at the shooting and it's just like, I don't know.
I actually think he figures it out.
But it that the free throw shooting and that is the one that really throws me off, and I just I don't know.
I mean, he he definitely feels a little master of none.
I've been lower on him the most, people.
Yeah, that's a couple of guys.
They talk about guys that fell like we touched on talking about a Chua who ends up just like casually falling to Miami, where it seems like it's the absolute perfect fit for them on.
And then, really, I mean, listen, Boston getting Naysmith at 14, and then they doubled down, getting they get bein at the back end of 30.
They also got Pritchard.
They're set to a Memphis, though the pain. Right.
So yeah, so he ends up going by the way.
So then if you look at because now with the double check and fact Check me if I'm off here that then Memphis ends up following up in the second round and they get my boy Robert Woodard.
Eso they So you.
So you combine Bain and Water.
These are the two guys that Doug and I were like talking about the nets, saying like, Hey, if you want to take Beynon 19, you'd be happy with that if you even want to take water at nights and just because of what? They are complementary and what their game looks like.
So getting both those guys out of the same rush like all of a sudden Memphis.
But by the way, like we go back to what we've always we've been talking about the bubble in the Western Conference and all these teams that have, like that really took that big serve.
Like I actually look at those to picks for Memphis and say, Oh, by the way, they already have young talent like they're going to be a very exciting thio.
I mean, God, if that isn't exactly what they needed E just that balances the roster out in an incredible way.
And by the way, when you look at the West there, like also brings in pieces like a water where you go Oh, we need, like, defensive versatility, toe like handle these teams we have to play.
Yeah, here we go.
We got the guy that will parking to do that.
Very so really, I really like what they did there.
Probably Maybe one of the back end once I take a look at and say really, really executed well and improve their team and what everyone considers to be oh, loose or relatively weak draft class, etcetera.
Um, you know you have to give credit to Is Dallas.
Dallas is another one where they get Tyrell Terry.
Yeah, they you know, they trade Seth Curry for Josh Richardson, which, by the way, is an upgrade.
Like Josh Richardson is a very good player who had an awful year by his count.
But, you know, by his I guess, count, um, because he's playing on a team that has no shooting he's looked at is like the spacer for them.
He shouldn't be that way like this guy.
Look at what Dorian Finney Smith did this year.
Like this guy had a career year from three.
Playing next to Luca.
You put Josh Richardson, who has been good in past locations as a spot up guy.
Not great, but good.
You put him on this team like they are going to be.
I'm not saying they're gonna win the West or anything, but they're gonna be something next year.
And that was a great trade.
And then to get Tyrell, Terry is basically your Seth Curry replacement.
I mean, I was so impressed by that move.
So now, now, all of a sudden, the West gets even thicker in terms of the quality of play that you're gonna be facing over there.
I will say to man the other one now the selected originally a 24 by the Bucks, but ends up going thio with nuggets.
If I have that correct.
Right, RJ Hampton ultimately ends up there. Yes.
So he ends up on the Nuggets.
RJ Hampton go back toe.
Last year, he was a top five high school prospect.
He goes to Australia.
It doesn't really help his game it all.
It kind of becomes a weird year for him there.
The fact that just one year ago, he would have been a guy in the top seven of the draft class ends up falling the back end of the first round.
There's a potential, like incredible steel value there now, whether or not his skills, that still has to develop.
That's just that's just a guy that I think inside of this draft class you would look at and said If you took a 10 or 11 12, you know, in the mid teams there, you would have said Great, give me a little time to develop But this guy has tremendous upside.
That feels like in two years you could be saying they really got away with something, getting him in the back end of the first.
They really like explosive guards.
So they were rumored to look at Zach Lavine pretty, pretty heavily at the trade deadline.
I think that was last year.
They like that archetype of a player.
Um and I just I'm not super surprised that that's what they went with, Um, again, he's just he's just a freak athlete right now, and that's kind of all he's developed at the moment.
But, I mean, if you could turn that into something with actual, you know, with some actual training from MBA MBA team that by all accounts, has been really good at development.
Like, that's the spot you want to go.
If you're RJ Hampton, you're saying Okay, great.
I get to go play with Yokich, who's gonna feed me on the fastbreak? Who's going to, you know, find me every time I cut backdoor? I mean, I don't know, like I don't I don't know if there's a bigger floor razor right now for young players in the league, then Yokich, because he's unselfish.
It's like the same thing is Luca where you're just like Okay, this is great.
I think John Moran is like that as well, too.
This is how this is how you know that That that coups was not gonna pan out because the ultimate play elevator would be LeBron James and Koosman still couldn't seem to figure things like, Yeah, you're able to hold on in l.
And you still looked like Kuzma even on championship.
Ross, They're not negotiated them.
Another great one that I thought that that was the movie has been here.
That I looked at for the Nets again in and around the 19 twenties.
Picks there if they made some moves, potentially was Leandro Ball Morrow, who ends up the Knicks.
Take him there, but he goes to the Timberwolves.
The Knicks get back some pics, then going right behind them.
They're 25 taking quickly there.
But Ball Morrow, who? Maybe you end up leaving over overseas for another year or two.
This is a guy that's 67 like, I just He has all of the makings as a guard to be able to be a great two way player.
Gonna take time to develop him.
But that's enough.
Like if if you're the Timberwolves and you're trying to turn the tides here, doing this thing of, like staying competitive now with Cat, I get it.
And then also your plummeting down to me, the hierarchy of the Western Conference.
So you better have some long term agendas here around this team.
Like just I still think in the big picture in the big picture.
I don't think that catch the answer.
That's the big picture for May.
I just think that at some point there's gonna be a tear down process there for them or you're just gonna die on the vine of having, you know, having a Kevin Love scenario where you hold on them for so many years and it puts up numbers and it never matters.
You don't go anywhere.
So I just think he's a nice little stash player.
Get any time to develop, but also has, like, a great base.
Linus skill sets because e like the Rubio move a lot.
Not just because yeah, because I grew up a fan of them, which I don't know if you know that, but I grew up a fan of the Timberwolves.
My dad's from there.
Uh, such a traveled man rate your range of, you know, it's just impressive.
I've never lived there.
Everybody thinks I'm from there.
I'm not from there.
I just I grew up watching them, and that was like, You gotta minutes.
You've got a Minnesota kind of vibe about you.
I'll take that problem into Minnesota, by the way.
Yeah. Thank you.
So I I grew up a fan of them, and I mean, look like they you know, there's obviously the kg teams, But after that, you know, you get into a little Ricky Rubio.
I mean, I remember those the draft where they took him, and, you know, you're never sure he gets injured early.
But those those Kevin Love Ricky Rubio teams were pretty fun.
I still like helmet, and I actually like that from them a lot.
I don't know what it means for Beasley.
I don't know if they're not getting him back like, Are you doing a backcourt of Are you gonna have him is the third guard.
If that's the case, kind of like that because he's a defensive guard.
I I just He's a guy that makes teams.
He's not like this elite point guard and, like he always feels like a bridge player like its's, like the team that gets him, find somebody else.
So it's like Mike Conley or ball, but by himself, like he's pretty good and like he helps bad teams at least be competitive.
So I like it for them and I think they needed somebody like that who is gonna make a little bit of sense and help on defense to um, you know what money For the before I know I've been I've been on a tangent.
I'm going to stop my temporal stand it now for them If if If Edwards pans out, that might be exactly what they need.
Like exactly like if you get because there's I like him as a defensive idea because he's so living.
He could be like your Victor Oladipo.
And maybe he's that guy that just like he just has so much confidence about him that he just gives them a little bit of I mean, that's like, Look, all this stuff going around about his, you know, his off court stuff in all this, I get it.
I understand it's what we dio with Draft.
I hate it, though.
He's so charismatic, that kid is so charismatic, and he's hilarious.
He's confident he could be what they need way, by the way.
Like you said, all the off the court off the court issued, by the way.
And that's not that's not.
You can't legitimize that because that you wonder if he's dedicated to the game like off the court issues or riel issues.
So from that standpoint, you're always gonna over accentuate the good and the bad, the possible next it is. Whatever.
And then I heard his interview, and I was like Like you said, This kid is great.
Like, you wanna You wanna put, like, a face a face onto the franchise.
Somebody just has that.
That type of personality they can, you know, whatever.
Like here he is. Go ahead.
Like feel free to brand yourself behind him.
So I hope it does work out.
I'll be very curious.
They're They're very interesting team coming into the year.
Like exciting toe watch just to see.
League past gonna be elite That you're not gonna get a lot of going to see them on the on the national stage is what you're gonna want to check your I want to check in on them.
So the other thing was, let me just make sure I don't I don't lose track of it here.
The other guy that just thought of was J. D. McDaniels.
When? When you scout it.
When he looked at him when I looked at him, you saw you go hoof with his rail thin frame.
You know, I don't know.
Where is he going to go? He's got any time.
And then he goes to the Lakers.
And I just went, huh? You know, like fit is so interesting when you talk about where draft picks go, Do you have anything? I make Daniels from that standpoint? E don't Honestly, this is E just started.
Hit the writing part of the night and I just a two now, Okay, because it was too quickly Run it down for anybody that that that's tuning in on it, because this again is somebody that was mocked potentially to the Nets.
So from the Brooklyn side, the coverage side of it I was trying to get into it.
And you're talking about a guy who's 6 10, but only £200.
He's got the size, you know, length, a little bit of agility.
And it was one of those things where you were like boiling rail thin players are the guys, just We'll leave it at that of like when you talk about guys need to fill their bodies out for the MBA.
It's just such a like boy.
What is that two year or three year project before you know, if this guy is good enough to be able to carry that weight and then on and then when he gets selected and goes to L.
It just completely changes your perception of it, because now you go.
Oh, but what if, like, you don't need to be the big body physical player at 6 10? What if you can play off a little bit? What if you can maybe settle into a better cruise MMA type role and take over a real contributing role there? So, I mean, I'm just interested to see he's like he's an example of a guy to me in this draft that you look at and say Raw talent.
And what if right, Like, what happens here for him in the early stages? The fact that he goes to a quality team again, Then all of a sudden moves the needle.
It's like when you say Patrick Williams getting drafted by Chicago, you out.
But if for whatever reason L A was out there and they took Patrick Williams, you would mean to me you would really go well, they must know something about this kid, right? Like they must like his.
They must like the raw talent they have there.
And you think you can develop depending on where you go in the league? Uh, for whatever reason, makes you judge the player in a different way.
You shouldn't, but you go.
If the Knicks take you, you go.
That guy's probably a bus then, huh? Like and if.
But if it's that that to take you in recent history, you automatically say, I bet this guy's a sleeper pick.
I bet he's really gonna turn out, you know, so that that's the weird part to me.
And the Knicks had some moves like that along the way.
Are the next still mixing this thing up like that? That was my so topping.
The general reaction was like, Did they just do it again? In spite of thinking they've turned a corner, it still feels like they missed the mark.
Oh, God, I don't want to play a lot on anybody, but I don't want to do it.
I really don't want to do it, but like Come on, man, you guys make it so easy.
You take this guy who's like the oldest player in the draft.
He's mobile like, Yeah, he's a big Oh God, by the way, Sorry, that was the big thing, Joshua.
When they said Jared Allen is a year younger than topping, I was like, That's such a It's just such a aggressive, you know, like Jared Allen, three years into the league, still has a year to go before he's reached that age. Cap.
Yeah, way don't have to beat them up too much.
I don't wanna go down the road.
What? I really because what I what I think is worth getting Teoh is, um what are your expectations now after seeing where some of these teams went, especially the top thes, thes French players, these roster guys, what type of like Do you have your mind on moves the teams are gonna make you know? And now, in these next couple of days, do you think will happen sooner than later? Are we getting into training camp in the start of the season before they happen? Or do you think that there's a lot of flipping going on here? Because when you look at some raw oysters, you go well, you're clearly overstocked here, and you have avoid over there, One of those kind of flips gonna start to happen.
So the team I woke up thinking about it wasn't the timber walls, wasn't the Warriors.
It wasn't the Nets wasn't the Knicks.
Okay, See, Thunder, I woke up thinking about what they're doing.
The poku draft was, ah, big eyebrow raiser for me, because that is the I think, you know, like I mentioned a couple of guys.
My goodness, that guy is I have no Cthulhu range of outcomes for him are so widespread.
And I'm looking at okay, See, now, like not only their flipping everything under the sun for picks, I don't even know how Presti is getting picks back.
He's trading anything and he's getting a first round pick.
I mean, they have Al Horford now.
And by the way, the team that they have really fun, like, really fun to your team.
You have this like Esso.
They have s t a Dordt.
Danny Green is now gone.
I don't even know who's on the team anymore.
Al Horford even Adam scrambling to pull this up here Thio like, who is that? Who is your roster? Oklahoma City.
Yesterday, like didn't we go through their team just like that's a pretty competitive team.
And now it's a completely different teams.
Like 12 hours later.
Yeah, you now have.
Yeah, you now have Horford.
And that makes behind Steven Adams.
Uh, now and I'm talking like you said Kelly uber is still there, right? So way.
And that's what we assume that maybe even happened last night.
So now he'll be out now. You still have dort.
Now, you have this weird, like you say, You know, that unicorn kind of guy that's gonna develop in the background? Probably.
Or maybe Poke, who's gonna get flipped to somebody else for something else.
You still obviously have SG A like this is a team that when they made the move with CP three and you and I talked about this where it was like, Okay, they're gonna push this reset button, they're gonna try to figure things out because they're moving CP three and getting all these future assets back.
I don't know if that's true.
I actually think that CP three showed them last year that we can actually be more competitive than maybe we thought we could have and now do we have to replace that leadership? Of course, we dio.
We still have to make some moves potentially, but there's no way.
I don't think that you can sit there with his much draft capital is they have and just say, see in the upcoming draft will draft 33 players like they have so much value to be able to make a move.
I'd be very curious to see what they do.
I see I disagree.
I think they're I think they're going to keep doing it this way.
And I think they like they.
What do they get for Ad? I don't think they're gonna get a first for Adams.
I would actually be extremely Sock, that they got Adams over.
I feel like Presti pressing.
Need to go to the Hall of Fame right now if they do that.
Because Adams did not look great last year.
Um, but like some of the guys I have, like you break could get a first.
I don't know what door could get, probably not at first.
And they might even just keep him because he's younger.
But they've now flipped pretty much everybody.
Horford, I'm assuming will play there and he'll somehow be good because, of course, he's gonna be And they'll get a first for him next year.
Like I'm prepared for any and all outcomes.
Now, the thing that was interesting about them is all these mid round picks.
I wonder if they're just gonna keep taking home run swing? Why not write, like, why not just keep taking them? Well, yeah, OK, But I'm saying, but they have right now they're gonna have in 2022 they have two first round picks in 2023.
They have two first round picks in 2024.
They have three for 43 1st round picks in 2025.
Like they have another two first round picks in 2026.
They have three first round picks.
Like I just There's no way that you can sit on that much draft capital.
I understand that you can Then in this package it up and get to number one every time.
If you want to and target your players, I think about what you dio.
Maybe I Yes, I totally would understand that path, and it would make nothing but the most sense in the world and also like, this isn't this isn't the move, but it's like saying like James Harden, right? Like if all these things were falling down around it like, ah, player of that caliber, if that's gonna be put out there.
If if the Philadelphia 70 Sixers at some point are saying, Well, Ben Simmons and Embiid thing, that's not our core.
Even with this new construction, we're gonna break that at least that element up.
Okay, Do I want to be on a 23 year old defensive cornerstone of a franchise like, Yes, you could at least have those options on the table.
So, like any time throughout the course of the next month or as the trade deadline approaches, any time that a big name is available or talked about, I think, Okay, See, at least has to be having the discussions about Yes, the future is is potential.
And then what is right in front of us, though what is it established now? Even not hard specifically, but a player of his age and caliber doesn't make the most sense for O.
To be getting a 31 32 year old but Ben Simmons, aged guy at that talent level, would make a ton of sense from it, like you'll make a ton of sense to make that kind of move because you don't know what any prospect is going to be.
It's not too dissimilar to the idea of way didn't talk about it on air, which is about the next move, right.
Any of these team moves where you go? Well, I was gonna take a young guy in the draft.
We think he can be X, but instead we're going to make a trade and bring in another player that we know what he is like.
I just why I'm very curious about the philosophy of what? Okay, see plans to do in the short and long term.
Because if you are okay, see, you do have to also strike the balance off, not falling out of the playoff conversation for more than a year or two.
You know you don't want to get too far out of things where you become Ah, Minnesota Timberwolves for a number of years where you become the Charlotte Hornets for a number of years, like, I think you still want to at least be in the playoff conversations on a consistent year to year basis.
So you know how long that window take is? You know, two years off before you're right back in it with the draft picks, or do you move a little bit quicker and, you know, just just super charge that that process for yourself? Yeah.
Um I don't know.
It's too early for me to tell right now based on what they're doing.
Um, but I don't I don't know.
I don't like the thing about trading for a young players.
You're in Oklahoma, Even if you get Ben Simmons.
What are you getting him with? Two years left on his deal.
How do you know he's gonna resign? Like it? Just That's the problem with trading.
All your picks for just one player is now like what they're working with now is really Barrett like I look, I I said whoa.
They still have fun players going through it now.
I'm like, Okay, they actually have, like, three players, so they're kind of fun, and I don't know if any of them are gonna be there in a year.
So that's the risk is like you trade picks for a guy say Devin Booker becomes available, they somehow get him.
It's like, Okay, now you're Devin Booker and nobody else and he's Yeah, he's young, But how are you going to convince him to stay when all we've seen this last year? Really last couple of years? Is it young players and star players? They just want to play together.
So I think what he's looking at is we were able to build a super team out of our own draft picks where we got Ibaka, Durant, Westbrook, Harden.
We did that because we were at the bottom of the draft and you are the top of the draft.
And I just wonder if that's gonna be his philosophy again, because you just you have to be aware of your market to a degree.
You just have to be.
And I think, like even so, let's say, you know, you get Ben Simmons.
Well, now you have to hit on your picks.
You have to, because if you just have Ben Simmons, you whip on your pics.
Ben Simmons has gone in two years, 400% and by and by the way.
So and you're 100% agree with you that, like, there is no world of like what you bring in one superstar and you go to stay.
You're gonna love it here like it has to be whatever.
But I would, so I would begin.
I'll make the case that you have enough draft capital to get to players toe.
Okay, See? And then they'd be like, Hey, we're gonna pair you, Simmons.
Listen, I in the landscape, I have you think, scratch my head about like, who is the other guy who is the other big name that feasible? We will be out there.
But even if I don't wanna keep using the heart and name just because it's out there it's like if you made all the moves to bring in Harden not unlike the idea of saying, Oh, maybe they may be hard was gonna go to Philly, you know, in exchange for Ben Simmons.
Even if you throw those two bodies on a team together and you go, OK, listen here we got, you know, to to defensive cornerstone, we have a top five talent scoring talent.
Okay, Now, in the long term that that that's that's off the map because harden at that age.
But if you can find another guy who sub 25 make all the moves to get him and Simmons into okay, see and say You guys are both getting the Supermax is when your contracts come up and and and here we go now and then, enough philosophically, that that goes away from probably where they think they are and what they think they can accomplish to your point about what we just did it through the draft.
But I don't know if they're ever going to be like, Are they going to be the bottom of the bottom of the league, or are they going to be just outside of it now and then You could package and just make your moves.
You need Thio, but I'll just be very curious about how you get to the Baka cake.
You know, how is that a part of the process that you went through and that's how you got there? Or was that like one of the luckiest runs that any franchises ever had in terms of falling into that talent? Consistently, year after year and then having that form for you, you know, organically.
I mean, I think he yeah, definitely is.
And I think to a degree, you have to look at that and just say we gave ourselves the chance to do that by drafting high in the draft.
If we have multiple chances of doing that every year, we're just giving, like we're just we're giving ourselves a larger hand to to sort of look out from, um I I It's funny.
I wonder if this is how teams operate from here on out, like, let's say this hardened thing gets done and he goes to Brooklyn.
The president is now star players can pick exactly where they want to go, and their teams kind of can't really do anything they want to do about it.
So you now are in a position where you have certain markets that are gonna be attracted to stars.
They're gonna have guys wanting to go there on the flip side.
Now, all these teams, because the flip side of it is I hated.
That's the case.
It's it's tragic for the lead because every small market team then that means that you're done That means you're only through the draft and the problem being that you create such a divide off the way teams air construct, they're going to be the major market teams and the superstars, and then every other team has to develop to the draft.
And that's fun to watch, but a different pathway.
But But I think the fun part is that you have these teams that are, you know, the younger teams they're gonna be bought bottoming out.
They're also gonna have the star teams picks in the later rounds.
So then it becomes like it because it's kind of fun that O K.
C has like, 30 picks in the next couple of years.
That could be the norm.
Like we could be looking at a position now where and And I do think like there's gonna be Maura O K.
In the future, there will be, like, the original.
Okay, see, Thunder.
There's gonna be more of those if bad teams are getting this many picks and this many chances to make something happen, I actually think that's kind of a feasible thing.
So look, do I love the star.
Players are going to demand that they all play together.
No, honestly, if you put a gun to my head and you said, Are you working for this hard thing to happen? I would probably say no for the good of the league.
I don't want that.
Like now we have these.
Like, this is just a really bad precedent.
They're setting for me personally.
It be fun, because I get to watch James Harden and Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant.
But somebody who cares about the league is the whole No, I don't think it would be very good for the league at all.
Um so So I think that's an interesting story line.
We'll see what comes out of that.
Yeah, no for sure.
And then And then you think about again some of the things that we saw in the bubble and teams that played better or not, the teams that on paper should have, and teams that went out and made the moves and brought in the, you know, the kuai, Leonard's and the PGS with world didn't have that success.
Some of them did obviously like the champions, you know, and in a D and LeBron, but that But that does still keep it interesting.
Exciting, because there's no there's clearly a path.
And then in Miami, we talked about them to write like Miami did bring in a big name player in Jimmy Butler, but very much it was able to construct their roster through the draft to complement this one guy, and they end up going to the final.
So there's still a balance there.
I'll be interested to see The last thing we get out the door on is the following the draft friends.
Thea updated, eh? NBA championship odds.
Listen through the Lakers right up there, plus 300 bucks and plus 5 50 by the way on.
And it is the Brooklyn that's just to be clear there, along with the L A Clippers, both at plus 600 on the thing.
These odds still is the Golden State Warriors plus 6 50.
It's eight hours ago that that this is pulling from It's interesting because it means maybe they're not fully another Klay Thompson thing.
Um, but the, by the way, don't Here is what a complete blunder by the Milwaukee Bucks or by the Kings.
I don't care which way you wanna look at this.
But if either not going to Bogdanovich and having him confirm that he's going to do this and go there you go.
It's bad on the Milwaukee to be like so this is obviously good, but I am correct.
But it's also a terrible for the Kings to be like, Oh, we just assumed that you were We assume that you were gonna often and then go with this trade, like, how could you not be touching base with this player? And it ends up really messing up with the total package, whether we talked about whether you like it or love in the construction, that roster.
But you're taking away a key piece of what completed what Milwaukee did.
Predraft like that was shocked by that.
Yeah, I feel so bad for them.
Honestly, like I dio yeah, I look like it sounds like the king screwed this up like I don't think there's any blame that should be on Milwaukee.
Milwaukee got a deal? What are they supposed to be in contact with Bogdanovich? They're just, like, great.
You've talked to your player like can the Kings ever figure it out.
Just just be a normal franchise for four months.
You guys look great for a year.
What the hell happened? Like you guys had Fox and Buddy healed and Bogdanovich and it's like, Okay, this is pretty cool.
And it's like, Oh, no, no, no, no Where the king still like? They were like we did it one solid year I Kate being because I know there's like fans do.
But don't do that because you're gonna really for Seattle.
Like, Don't don't don't turn them into the SuperSonics.
No, Amazon will buy the team and they'll they'll they will put their own people in their crimes will be the crimes.
Yeah, it's the Seattle primes coming out of the court tonight.
No, but you're right, though.
And again, this is that weird thing about about teams and franchises that just have an attachment to their name.
And when you think again, we're talking about the Knicks, right? They're trying to turn things around.
You talk about a team like the Kings that just have this, this perception around them, and when things like this happen, you go.
Yep, that's exactly why you are who you are.
And I'll be I'll be interested to see what goes on here assed Faras Milwaukee is concerned.
What? You know what? What are they going to do now? Is this not goingto happen? Are they not gonna go figure out? Because back in my mind, I don't know.
I thought about if if you are honest, if they were talking with you, honest by the moves they were gonna make and he said, Oh, I I like having Bogdanovich.
I really like that.
If I'm If I'm honest, there's a world where I make a call to Bogdanovich and I say, Hey, man, I know it sucks, dude, Like, obviously your team is a disaster.
But, like like, I want you to come play with me like I want you here.
If you often, and you come here like, you know, whatever.
You got my you got my promise we'll take, you know, the organization.
Take care of you financially.
We're gonna run this thing back next year when Holiday comes up for his contract as well.
So, like, do it on good faith.
Let's just get you off of the kings and get at least get you to Milwaukee.
Worst case scenario, man, you get to get, you know you get to have an opportunity to get to the market against soon as well.
But like I can't I can't see the king's going to Bogdanovich's smoothing this over and making it happen like it's such a disaster of a situation.
Yeah, I just like, Why would you not want to play with you? Honestly, that sounds awesome.
E don't know on.
Then I'll also say, for the player standpoint, I'm a little bit confused.
If you're not gonna be like, I don't want it, I don't want to go.
I just wonder if we talked about before.
Is it just the market? And it's like, I just I don't wanna I don't wanna play in Milwaukee All things being equal, like championship opportunity.
But I don't wanna be in Milwaukee.
That's not what you know.
This is and this is a This is a player from overseas.
So if he's gonna be in the States playing, he probably the least, is like, Well, I'm on the West Coast.
You're not in the best case scenario of the West Coast, you know, you could be in.
A lot of you could be in l. A.
But you're at least on the West Coast, and he's probably like, I don't I don't wanna go live in Milwaukee for X amount of years on.
And that's a shame, because that means that even a team like Milwaukee that has one of the top five best players in the league still can't attract a one.
You know, a second tier guy like a second to your guy doesn't want to go there.
You have to give the whole I was gonna say, Yeah, I'm only overstating second here.
And then you look when you have to do to get holiday there as well, right? Like, that's desperation from a walk in the current climate, too.
But like, you have to give up all of this to get holiday there, you have to completely blow up with a true market.
Is they were to get holiday there and you still can't get, you know, third tier guys.
So I don't know, something to keep an eye on.
I don't wanna I don't wanna bring it all down.
My next curiosity is just what teams do here in the coming days before we get to the training camps, and we get into this one month off season, and then everything kicks off next month as well.
So you've got remind everybody who you have coming on tonight because it's gonna be great.
Draft breakdown kind of ****ysis stuff, right? Yeah.
So I'm bringing hardwood Harold on.
You could follow him on Twitter. YouTube.
He is just a guy.
I I love his work, but his chill Dude, I'm excited.
So eso that'll be fun doing that at eight. PM tonight.
Way did win last week doing just sort of his board.
And now we're actually talk about the picks and what we think of the fit.
So that'll be fun.
I mean, I think I'm the plan is to do some net stuff this weekend, so I'm gonna have ah, Nolan Jensen on my show.
I should on Saturday, we'll see what happens with all the signings.
But I'm assuming we're gonna get a lot of free agency signings, so we'll be doing some quick hits stuff.
Gotta I gotta do a little bit of that stuff.
Come on, I'm in. That's reporter.
So, you know, I mean, so that that that's that's what I'm going on.
And then, uh, everything else, like, you know, you follow me on Twitter, that stuff that goes on there, uh, Doug and I were together last night.
We got on after the first round.
We will end up being the move and getting in.
Uh, you know, that's making that trade with L.
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Keep an eye out on the podcast format, Brooks.
Because we're gonna have him over there to have Doug and I get into this thing around the heart and peace.
And I have just great anticipation for what will be an awesome conversation.
That probably goes in several different perspective because I think you and I had good conversations around the nets and our opinions on harden and moves and all that kind of stuff s So this is gonna be fun.
That's probably coming up next week.
Sometime if we could squeeze ourselves into match busy schedule.
I mean, the guy is just, you know, uh, I'm chilling this week through the hard part, we got through that Really free agency is gonna be a lot too, but we're close.
Wear on the doorsteps were on the doorsteps, and I'm so I'm to a degree, I'm really happy that the heart and stuff is taking a slight back seat right now, because that was just a lot of a lot of time refreshing on my phone and just sort of and for no pay off.
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