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00:00:33
Yeah.
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Who is next? We are next.
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Welcome into the Humpty Hotline.
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Everybody on the Buffalo Fanatics.
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Multicast Network.
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I am your host, Joe Miller.
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You can find me on Twitter at Joe Miller Wired.
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I'm joined with my co host, as always, the beautiful J.
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Spence, the King.
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Welcome to Shojaei Spence on.
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Do we have to amazingly special guests.
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One is animated.
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That would be Joe Marino to your bottom left, and one is in a still form, which is Bruce Exclusive.
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Bruce Nolan on your bottom, Right.
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What's up, gentlemen? How you doing tonight, Joe? Doing the guys.
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Thanks for having me looking forward to this.
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And, um, you know, a lot of good stuff to get into tonight, so thanks for having me, Bruce.
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How you feeling? Okay.
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First off, I'm plenty animated.
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Okay? You just can't see it being animated.
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Eso I don't appreciate the connotation.
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We're getting off to a start here, Joe.
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I don't I don't I don't.
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You know what? Where's my leave? Studio button is the Red X one.
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Is that the one how I will bring you back? I have the power to pull you back.
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Then ask expense.
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I've done it before.
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E thought I was out.
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They pull me right back in.
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That's amazing.
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So welcome, gentlemen.
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Welcome.
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Ladies and gentlemen, everybody watching Bill's Mafia.
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Welcome into this show.
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You are watching live.
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I'm guessing on YouTube, Facebook or Twitter wherever you're watching.
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Whatever platform.
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Do us a favor.
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Jump on that like button.
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Hump it as we like to say here on the hump day hotline.
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Also share it invites, um, Friends.
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Let's get some mafia up into this place.
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We're gonna have some good conversation.
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This is not gonna be what I want to say.
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Surface.
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See conversation.
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We're gonna try to dive into some really things.
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Some stuff has come out.
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Uh, Sean McDermott has has has has said some things that has kind of confirmed what all of us in bills, Mafia and those of us that are content creators have have kind of felt and believed for a long time.
00:02:17
But before we do that, why don't we start here, Spence? What do your snapshot feelings with the bill sitting at seven and three, having lost on the play the way that they did versus sitting at eight and two with another Josh Allen come back in fourth quarter fashion.
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I'm fine.
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Like Sunday.
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Sunday evening.
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Obviously, I needed to kinda react e had to go through my process, but not of that, that I've reacted.
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And now that I've, you know, kind of had a night to sleep because the next day I was fine.
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Um, obviously, nobody wants to see your team lose the way that we lost Sunday.
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It was just not a play that you want to be on the other side of, you know? So But the thing is, listen, losing that game did nothing for our standings like it didn't make us lose anything.
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We didn't gain anything.
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It literally was a game that you felt like we could have and should have won.
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It took a miracle in the sense for them to win it.
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We didn't do it.
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We have still everything in front of us were still first in the division.
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We still have our you know, we can control our destiny as far as beating the Jets and the Patriots to control.
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You know what happens in the division? We still have, you know, a couple games coming up that we feel like we should win.
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So, you know, at this 0.
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73 if you would've told me back in July like, hey, after 10 games before our bye week going into the bye, we're gonna be seven and three.
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I think 99% of Buffalo would have taken it.
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Agreed? Agreed.
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Joe, what you're thinking? How you feeling? After all this? I think the hard part of digesting the loss was the shift.
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Right? You're watching this football game.
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You never really think that the Bills, they're playing great.
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Suddenly they're winning 23 to 9.
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The leads gone, and then Josh Allen has the game winning drive 78 yards over three minutes, 21 yard touchdown pass.
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The Stefon Diggs, your guys the story, right? The quarterback that you have, he's the guy.
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That's the M V p.
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The receiver that you traded for Stefon Diggs.
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That's the guy that caught the game winner.
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And then, boom, the rug is pulled right out from underneath your feet.
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And that's what I think.
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The hall from me with that shifting narrative when you thought you stole one and you feel really good and you ate, who is in your hands.
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It's pulled right out from underneath you.
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I mean, the good thing is that both sides of the coin were pretty good.
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18 to right.
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We all want that. That's wonderful.
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Seven threes.
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Not bad.
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We were all taken like Jason before the season.
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You said seven and three out of the by.
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Every single person would have taken it.
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But, um, now we gotta deal with it for two weeks, right? And get ready to play the Charger.
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But I think that the shift, how quickly it shifted it is what made it kind of tough.
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That's what kind of took the the breath out of me for a moment there.
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Yeah, Bruce, you get the opportunity, the luxury, if if you will, of having a couple more days to process before you react.
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And I know that just gives you more opportunity, ample opportunity to check tape, uh, then than myself, Joe Marino and and J. Spence.
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But how are you feeling? How is this lost treating you at this point? I feel fine about it.
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I think that seven and three was like J.
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Spent said, annoy ideal situation for this team to be in after 10 games.
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I think the method by which they acquired seven and three requires some recalibration by bills Mafia because I think that a lot of us were expecting seven and three.
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Our defense continues qualitatively toe look the way that they looked on the field.
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We know what to expect from this high level Buffalo Bills defense and maybe we can get a slight step forward from the offense instead, we got a completely different looking team in 2000 and 20.
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Then we got in 2000 and 19 were throwing the ball all over the place.
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Our running game can can Anything going? Our defense is all over the place and they come out the first four weeks and we look like we got a winner shootouts the entire freaking year.
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So I think that because of them, it's not so much the seven and three that kind of got us a little jarred.
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It's the recalibration of our expectations of what this team is supposed to look like, not just what the W and L are supposed to look like, but what qualitatively it's supposed to look like on the field.
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We think we're going to see a certain thing.
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And we've seen none of that so far this year.
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So we have to say, Okay, I understand that.
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It doesn't look the way I thought it was gonna look.
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And I need to kind of get used to the new normal for Buffalo Bills, but seven and three.
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Still good, regardless of if we got there the way I thought we were gonna get there versus the way we did, Yeah, Super good.
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And I wanted to delay the introduction.
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So I did that on purpose, just in case anyone, because I wanted people to get into the room.
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All of you guys, his feelings resonate with me, and I feel I feel this.
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I feel akin to Joe Marino.
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And it's funny because Joe, Joe Marino and I talked.
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Joe and I talked back and forth a lot of times because we a lot of times we kind of captured very similar emotions.
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We just kind of come from it.
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We noticed the similar things, and that's what it felt for me.
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I kind of resonated where Joe was.
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It was like I was resolved.
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It was like, Okay, Josh hasn't played great.
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The defense is not playing great.
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We gave up, you know, Whatever.
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They gave up 17 unanswered points and nine minutes, which is typical of the third quarter, and it is what it is.
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We're gonna lose this game.
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I'm okay with it.
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Right? Because I didn't have great expectations.
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High expectations that Josh with 3.
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5 minutes left was going to do what Josh Allen does.
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And then he did it.
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And I was like, and I was stunned.
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And it was like, in my mind, I'm rewriting my entire pod script.
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Like in my head.
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It was like, this is gonna be completely different than what I thought it was going to be.
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And then 34 seconds later, uh, you know, we obviously ended up in in in soul crushing under disbelief Land.
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But let's do this.
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Let's take just a quick second to go around the horn.
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We're gonna go in reverse fashion.
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So we're gonna go Bruce, Joe, and then J spends the king.
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Uh, do me a favor, gentlemen.
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Just introduce yourselves.
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If you can tell me where you're from, what you do and what network you're on, if you can go ahead Bruce.
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I am the handsome gentleman in the bottom right hand corner.
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My name is Bruce Nolan.
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You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Bruce Exclusive.
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I am the host off the Bruce Exclusive, which is a podcast on the Buffalo Rumblings Podcast Network that you can find every Thursday and Friday mornings wherever you are currently listening to this podcast, if you are indeed listening to it in audio form.
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Awesome. Joe Joe Marino.
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Um, follow me on Twitter at the Joe Marino I host the lock Down bills podcasts daily covering the Buffalo Bills.
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I also work for the draft network dot com And so, uh, draft Buffalo Bills.
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It's kind of my wheelhouse.
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So that's That's me.
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It's what I dio awesome.
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J. Spence.
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Let's go.
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You know it's J spends the King.
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You can find me on the Buffalo Rumblings Network.
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I, uh, the code of conduct comes out on Tuesdays and then on Sundays.
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I also do, uh, the chop up with Mookie Hawkins.
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The Buffalo Bills beat reporter for W F o awesome stuff, and I am Joe Miller.
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I'm the voice of the overreaction podcast, which you can find on Monday mornings on the Buffalo Fanatics Network, and you can find me on Twitter at Joe Miller, wired as always.
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And for those of you that are new to this, if you've never been on with us, you have the opportunity to be a part of the show, and we want you to interact, comment, chat and give us questions when the time is appropriate.
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Here's the thing with the amount of people we have on the show, it's gonna be difficult for me to get to all the questions and comments.
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So if I don't get to your question or comment, I apologize ahead of time.
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Here's what you could do.
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Jump over to YouTube.
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If you super chat it, it's going to come up and highlighted form.
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It's going to get my attention, and I promise you guarantee you that you're Super Chat will get red comment.
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Question.
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Whatever it is, do us a favor.
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As always, as Justin just said, Jump on that like button hump that like, but let's get into Buffalo Bills talk here on the Humpty Hotline this fine Buffalo bills by week edition.
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So, Joe Marino, this is what I want to talk about with you real quick.
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You and I'm okay with getting kind of some feelings from from the rest of the guys if you have them.
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It was a coaches decision to not play Mitch Morris in this football game.
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And by the way, I saw Mitch Morse at for lunch last year at the Public House on the lake.
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It's a big old boy like that.
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That dude is like 6 ft 6.5.
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That's a whole lot of man right there.
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But it was the coach's decision not to play him.
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Uh, we're guessing to give him an extra two weeks to recover.
00:10:22
Looking back, do you think that was the right decision? I'm comfortable with the decision.
00:10:29
I think it's hard to say it was the right decision now that we have the benefit of knowing that the Bills lost the game and they didn't run the football effectively against ah defense.
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That was giving up the eighth most amount of yards per rush in the NFL.
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So I think when you have the benefit of hindsight, which Bruce, no.
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One could give you all kinds of philosophical, uh, information about what's supposed to happen with decision making and how we should great decisions.
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Um, yeah, it's easy to say that much more should have played the football game.
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This was something I think we were all satisfied with in the moment.
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Well, Mitch Morsi has 505 do***ented discussions so far or concussion so far for his NFL career, and there's no reason to rush him back.
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The previous into your offensive line trio Feliciano at center, Winters at right guard and ICB Ocher at left guard has been okay.
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There's some momentum there.
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We'll see you for the Chargers game to get the extra week with the by.
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Well, Sean McDermott kind of fumbled his press conference when he was asked about this and made it like it was.
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Well, he said it was a coaches decision and coaches decision. We know what that means.
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He was best.
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And so there was some really tense moments in that press conference.
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I was, like, uncomfortable.
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I thought I was watching an episode of the office.
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You know, that's that's what I love about the office because you get uncomfortable.
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You're like, Oh, man, I don't know what's gonna happen here.
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You feel this and and coach McDermott.
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You could tell he wasn't real happy with how he answered the question.
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And then, of course, reporters did what they're supposed to do and ask good follow up questions.
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Enforce the issue.
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And so all of a sudden, you know Coach McDermott saying, Well, he was a coaches decision and the lineups are week to week.
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And, um, you know, all of a sudden you're wondering if the highest paid center in the NFL has been benched, so I understand there's a lot of confusion for me.
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The simplest explanation here is that they wanted to give him an extra week, given the history of concussions, given the bye week, given the momentum of that interior trio.
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But now we're left with a lot of questions about the situation, and I gotta be honest.
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I bet you Sean McDermott is just fine with that.
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Nobody knowing who his starters.
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They're gonna be the charges having to think about this.
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Whether it's the smallest amount of competitive advantage, it's coachman term.
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It's probably fine with it.
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So I think we're going to see Mitch Morrison center when the Bills take the field offensively against the Chargers.
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But I understand the questions and why this is a a point of discussion, Bruce.
00:12:50
Clearly clearly that offensive line did not play the way that we assume that it would had had Mitch played center and Feliciana Bennett, right? Guard thoughts.
00:13:00
Same same question.
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Like, was it a mistake to not play him to give him that extra week arrest while extra two weeks arrest? I think that when I watched the offensive lull that happened in the third quarter and into the fourth of the Bills Cardinals games, you did see some protection confusion that Mitch Morse could have potentially helped with.
00:13:19
But, like Joe said at the time, you might not have thought that that was gonna be the case.
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Vance Joseph is not known as being an overly effective defensive coordinator.
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The Cardinals defense has not been overly effective so far this year.
00:13:32
It's not a scenario where you thought, Gosh, if we don't have much Morse, then this whole thing is gonna go downhill and really, Sean McDermott said three things when he was talking about this, you know, he said, flat out that it well, he was healthy enough to play that it was a coaches decision and that he wasn't being benched.
00:13:52
And the issue that we have is that we have a hard time marrying those three things together.
00:13:56
We can't as a fan base say, Well, hold on.
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All three of these things can't be true simultaneously.
00:14:02
It cannot simultaneously be a coaches decision, also not being benched.
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Also, he's healthy enough to play.
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Those three things can happen, so we're trying to wrap our head around it when reality Sean McDermott, I don't think gives a rat's rump that we don't care about that.
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I don't think he cares that were like, Well, hold, hold, Hold on now, Sean.
00:14:21
Well, what happened? He's just, you know, dropping a stick of dynamite in the room and then walking out, waving and going.
00:14:25
Guys have fun.
00:14:26
You know, I don't think it really matters to him all that much.
00:14:29
So because of that, I think that there is a There is a way for those three things to be correct simultaneously, and the way that those three things could be correct simultaneously is exactly what Joe said.
00:14:41
And that is, let's just take another week off.
00:14:43
You can simultaneously be healthy enough to play and have a coach decide to not play you like those things can coexist together.
00:14:52
So, yes, he's healthy enough to play.
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But I'm going to be on the we've.
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We've been used to this term now, because of the covert world we live in out of an abundance of caution, say it with me.
00:15:02
Got out of an abundance of caution.
00:15:03
We've seen this a million times, right? Well, it's no different than what Sean McDermott did out of an abundance of caution.
00:15:10
We're gonna sit Mitch Morse.
00:15:11
Well, Technically, he's healthy enough to play, which is why he dressed so much.
00:15:15
Miss Morse is healthy enough to play, and Sean McDermott can't say otherwise.
00:15:18
He can't say he wasn't healthy enough to play because then the question is, Well, why is he dressed? So yes, he's healthy enough to play, but it doesn't hurt to have him sit another week.
00:15:29
Now, if you're seeing him another week out of the abundance of caution, then he's not being benched.
00:15:34
That's that's the way that those three things can simultaneously be all the same at the same time, right? That's the only possible explanation where all three things are true, and that is, yes, he's healthy enough to play.
00:15:47
I hope I don't have to.
00:15:48
We're gonna dress him in the event we have an emergency because I definitely don't wanna have Ryan Bates come in instead of Mitch Morse.
00:15:56
If John Feliciano goes down at center, that's that.
00:15:58
That's not something I'm interested in.
00:16:00
And I know that because I had Ryan Bates a center, and I chose to take him out and to put John Feliciano in.
00:16:05
The Bills already said they preferred Feliciano debates there.
00:16:08
So this this could all make sense with Mitch Morse.
00:16:11
And I think that just marrying those three statements by Sean McDermott is how we do it.
00:16:14
Yeah, we've seen it before.
00:16:15
We've seen this.
00:16:16
Coaching staffs, particularly Sean McDermott, take the take the precautionary route with guys, even this season, where they have been like, You know what? We've got a relatively weak Dolphins team coming in.
00:16:26
We're gonna go ahead and sit Milano and Edmunds one more week, even though they could possibly play just to get them that one extra weeks of rest or one of her one extra week of rest.
00:16:36
However, the hand grenade upon the hand grenade that sits inside of this conversation is the fact of when he said, It's going to be a week to week decision.
00:16:46
So here's my question.
00:16:47
J.
00:16:48
Spence and this is interesting because we're living in a space where we don't believe as Bills Mafia for one second and content creators that this is an all star cast.
00:16:55
In my opinion, in this room right now, we don't believe for a second that that that Sean McDermott somehow is playing this game where, like Mitch Morse doesn't start like that.
00:17:04
That world doesn't exist that Mitch Morse isn't gonna play football on this offensive line.
00:17:08
And, oh, by the way, if the Bills cut him next year, they're going to save $5 million on the cap.
00:17:13
However, you're talking about the same coaching staff that walked Quinton Spain out the door to keep Brian winners in the freaking lineup.
00:17:21
So where you at on that Spence like? Is this something to be worried about or to? Joe's point is more playing.
00:17:28
When we play the charges, he's the starting center.
00:17:30
I'm on Joe side with it, like the way I see it is that, like you said, mentioned earlier as fans.
00:17:35
Obviously, we can't put these things together like Bruce said.
00:17:38
It just doesn't make sense that he's healthy.
00:17:40
He dressed, but he didn't play in.
00:17:41
The coach decided to not play him, so he's benched.
00:17:44
But know what it is is.
00:17:46
I think it's just a no overreaction of a fan base at this point.
00:17:49
Um, I really think that, you know, for us to not play if you're gonna put the best combination of guys on the offensive line out there, there's no way that Sean McDermott puts somebody else other than Morris out there in that comment.
00:18:03
You know what I mean? Like, he's in one of those combinations.
00:18:05
He's the best five Morris is playing, so I just think it's an overreaction.
00:18:09
I think that, you know, there should be some caution, you know.
00:18:15
So next year I don't think it's a conversation where we're thinking that we're gonna cut him or get rid of them and say, $5 million like you mentioned.
00:18:21
If anything, I think the conversation over the off season might be for health reasons.
00:18:26
Should he consider retirement.
00:18:27
That's a different conversation, but as far as him playing No, I agree with Joe. I agree with Bruce.
00:18:33
I think that, you know, they just said, You know what? We'll give you an extra week If something goes bad, it's 2020.
00:18:38
Everything goes bad.
00:18:40
So if something goes bad, then we'll put you back in instead of, you know, bringing in whoever that we have.
00:18:46
That's a string guy, you know.
00:18:48
So, yeah, he was there and available, but I think they wanted to give him that time.
00:18:53
Not you and me.
00:18:54
We don't go bad, Spence. You mean well, right as rain bro.
00:18:56
Way right.
00:18:57
It's right way Some of these places, romantic music up in this House.
00:19:02
Joe Marino question for you.
00:19:04
McDermott said this week that they're going to take a deep dive, which is interesting to me, because I don't think it's rocket science.
00:19:10
I'm not the smartest guy in this room like there's two guys, three guys, way smarter than me.
00:19:14
But McDermott has said this week that they're gonna take a deep dive into the run game this bye week to discover what the issue is, and I how's the question this way? What's it gonna take for this run game to get these guards playing right, because to me it's a guard issue.
00:19:30
What's it gonna take? Is it just the right combination of guys or is it scheme? Is it? Give it to me, brother, like, what is going on with this With this run game? I think the first thing I want to say is that I'm not interested in MAWR runs.
00:19:43
I'm just interested in more effective runs.
00:19:45
I like the bill script.
00:19:47
It's a winning script, but when they need to run the football, they need to be able to run the football.
00:19:51
And I don't think they're doing that well enough right now.
00:19:54
Um, first thing I'd say is I'm very excited to see the Bills preferred offensive line for the first time all year.
00:20:00
We haven't seen it right.
00:20:01
We haven't seen that middle three of Morse, Feliciano and Ford, right? We could see that against the Chargers, so that should provide a little bit of a bump.
00:20:10
And we saw just how Feliciano back in the lineup would create that type of a bump.
00:20:15
So I think getting your preferred guys in they're gonna help think there's design issues.
00:20:19
Be interested to see if Bruce would agree with me, or I think the bills are very willing to have unblocked guys on the edge and allow the the offensive tackles and tight ends will climb to the second level without really securing the first level with consistency.
00:20:36
And when you don't have speed at running back, that causes a problem, Right? So we know that the Bill Zack Moss, Devin Singletary they're not guys that have much foot fire.
00:20:44
They're not gonna really challenge the perimeter there between the tackles guys.
00:20:48
Well, if you're not doing a good job of making sure that those those lanes air wide enough, particularly on the outside, those guys can collapse quick and you don't have the foot speed to get going.
00:20:57
Um, the other thing that I want to say here is that, like Singletary and Moss have to be better.
00:21:02
I got into this a little bit of my pod today about last year Devin Singletary, 5.
00:21:06
1 yards per carry that I, Derrick Henry for the most yards per carry in the NFL among qualifying players.
00:21:12
And what I really built down Teoh is Devin Singletary feasted on like boxes.
00:21:17
Ah, like Onley 3.
00:21:18
5% of his rushes last year came against boxes that include eight or more defenders.
00:21:24
That was like the lowest in the NFL.
00:21:26
And so he feasted on light boxes all year long, meanwhile, were very critical of Frank Gore and how ineffective he was.
00:21:32
But because he played the role that he did, it opened up opportunities for Devin Singletary to go up against lighter boxes.
00:21:40
Zach Moss is not replacing Frank Gore to the same caliber of play.
00:21:44
I know that sounds really weird, and Zach Moss deserves the benefit of the doubt because he's a rookie and he started off with it with a turf toe injury that set him back.
00:21:51
And we've seen some flashes, but he hasn't taken away some of those carries from Devin Singletary, which I think opens up the run game in totality.
00:22:00
So you've got design issues, you have blocking issues, you have slow running running backs and you have health issues.
00:22:06
There's reason to believe that this is going to get better and hopefully that's a big point of emphasis.
00:22:10
Again, I don't want more runs.
00:22:12
I don't care about more runs.
00:22:13
I just wanted to be more effective and as we get later into the season, December football cold outside.
00:22:19
Maybe some elements hoping to play home games in Buffalo better be able to run it a little bit better than you have, which you got Bruce.
00:22:27
I think that what I noticed when I was going through some film on this is that, you know, when you ask players like Brian Winters to run outside zone and you run towards him and he has to get in front off a defensive tackle and hold that for a long time or you ask him on the back side to cut and you ask a running back like Devin Singletary, who doesn't have the foot speed to be able to get out on the edge and make a decision quickly.
00:22:53
You are inviting that backside defender to come make a plane crash down, and that happens all the time against the Bills.
00:22:59
If you're gonna do that, you need to use Isaiah Mackenzie to hold that back side linebacker.
00:23:03
We saw one of the most effective run plays that wasn't was actually during that offensive low in the third quarter.
00:23:11
They actually used Cole Beasley in orbit motion toe.
00:23:14
Hold the backside defender to keep that person from crashing down on outside zone.
00:23:18
And that's a good idea.
00:23:20
And it would have been awesome had Brian Winters not screwed it up, so it was going to be a reasonable play.
00:23:25
But in this case, you have tow.
00:23:28
Have Isaiah McKenzie.
00:23:29
You have to have Cole Beasley.
00:23:30
You have to have something there to give Devin Singletary or Zach Moss or whoever.
00:23:35
It is time if you're gonna run outside zone to be able to see it and make it happen.
00:23:41
One of the best runs of the game against the Cardinals was Zach Moss on outside zone.
00:23:46
So it's not like it can't be done.
00:23:48
It just needs to be accommodated for for two things.
00:23:51
Number one.
00:23:52
If you run toward Brian Winters, he may not be able to hold it.
00:23:55
And if you run away from Brian Winters, he you might cut on the back side.
00:23:59
He did a good job there a couple times, but either way, you need to use something to hold that back side defender because you don't have guards on the front side who could hold up.
00:24:06
And if you go backside with him.
00:24:09
You're still in danger of somebody crashing down.
00:24:11
So I think you just have to make accommodations for what you have.
00:24:15
And I think schematically I'd like to see a little bit more of that from Brian Dales.
00:24:20
Specifically, I really I liked the orbit motion.
00:24:22
It worked.
00:24:23
And if the front side guard in this case, Brian Winters, when he was running that direction, if it would have gone the way I wanted it, Thio and he would have gotten in front of Angelo Black son, then that would have been a good run, play and toss up for the group and, interestingly enough, because we saw Twitter light up.
00:24:42
And I know all of us are on Twitter during the game, some of us at different times.
00:24:45
And like it's funny because how even the content creators as it pertains to bills, Mafia and podcasts and whatnot like we're on a different times and like we flow differently.
00:24:54
But there was a moment in the third quarter where, in the fourth quarter, where, like bills, mafia was like abandoned run.
00:25:00
Stop trying to run the ball, and for me, the bills, I think table was calling those run plays because they wanted to, and this was a John FINA point they wanted to get.
00:25:09
They wanted to pull.
00:25:11
They wanted to suck that defense back up.
00:25:13
But the problem is this.
00:25:14
Josh Allen does not want to throw the 20 to 20 to four yard pass place to Beasley, who even Digs has said the dude is always open.
00:25:24
Defense is now know if there's an under over thing or ah, short, high whatever.
00:25:28
Like scheme.
00:25:30
Allen's going 10 to 15.
00:25:31
He's not going under.
00:25:33
So toss up.
00:25:34
Question.
00:25:35
What's it gonna take to get Alan? He said at the beginning of the season, I'm not gonna be Captain Checkdown, but I'm gonna take what the defense has given me early.
00:25:43
He waas Now he's not.
00:25:45
What's it gonna take to get him in a position where he's doing that, which to me effectively will open up that run game and make it effective? Like Joe Marino says, That's kind of a toss up.
00:25:53
Somebody give me some ideas.
00:25:55
What's it gonna take to get Josh Allen to start taking what the defense is giving versus trying to force the ball downfield or press the press, The defense.
00:26:06
We'll jump in.
00:26:07
I was trying to let our guests kind of have the floor, but I wanted to say something.
00:26:11
Did you have? Did you have something, Joe? Go, Spencer, I wanted I felt weird because I went first in the last two, so I was kind of giving someone else a chance.
00:26:18
You got something? Go for it, man.
00:26:20
No, no, I won't hear from you. Okay.
00:26:22
All right.
00:26:24
Well, I guess the way I see it, I think that and I know he's not doing what he was doing in the early games as faras.
00:26:32
Like looking for those throws.
00:26:34
But I think the thing is, I think there's a confidence that has started to grow with our offense.
00:26:40
That granted, we do need those short passes like we need those.
00:26:44
But I think Josh, now he's We've had so much success, um, moving the ball down the field when he throws it.
00:26:51
Regardless of what besides the third quarter, apparently, um, you know, we just have We just have success.
00:26:57
So now he walks out there and it's like, Look, I got digs.
00:27:00
I got John Brown.
00:27:01
I got Aiken you know these guys are gonna be open.
00:27:03
I'll get first down on 3rd and 17.
00:27:06
It doesn't matter.
00:27:07
So I think that confidence and that, like seeing what's happened throughout the season like I don't I don't remember who said it early on.
00:27:14
I think it's Bruce.
00:27:15
We have a completely different offense than we looked at last year, like most of the same players, but a completely different offense.
00:27:22
We couldn't throw the ball worth anything.
00:27:23
And now, like it's like, Dude, we're top.
00:27:26
We have the number one number one receiving.
00:27:30
Like our receiver we have our number one receiver is the best receiver in the league.
00:27:35
As of right now, that's right.
00:27:36
Now that's insane to me, Wildest dreams land.
00:27:38
I've said it 100 times.
00:27:39
We're living in wildest dreams land with this offense.
00:27:42
So while I'm saying I agree that we need to do those things were also seven and three could have and should have been eight into.
00:27:49
Our defense is starting to play better.
00:27:51
I'm not the guy to sit here and complain about stuff and I like look, we don't have the short throws the way we had him in the first couple of weeks, and we're not running the ball as well as we should once once our offensive line gets better, like we just talked about.
00:28:04
And then once you know certain things when people healthy man, I'm not complaining about anything.
00:28:08
Keep doing what we're doing.
00:28:09
We're seven and three for the first time in forever.
00:28:12
Let's get this done.
00:28:13
Yeah, Joe, I'll be honest with you.
00:28:16
I have a hard time poking holes in in Josh Allen and in the way he's playing the game, was he? I think he's fifth in the NFL when it comes to yards per per game passing.
00:28:25
I mean, the production in the passing game has been exceeded my wildest dreams this year.
00:28:30
I know he leads the league in total passing, but obviously there's some guys that need to play 10 games, and Josh already has.
00:28:35
So I think the passing production has been really outstanding and so um, I'm comfortable with his approach and what he's doing and how he's attacking defense is.
00:28:44
I mean, there's some evolution that needs to happen there and their steps that he can take.
00:28:48
But from an output I have a hard time with with really coming to hard at Josh and saying, Well, I wish you throw it short more.
00:28:55
I mean, you're completing what north of 65% of his passes, 287 yards a game and touchdown productions, their scoring productions there.
00:29:04
So, um, I kind of want Josh to just keep what he's doing, doing what he's doing.
00:29:08
Learn? Obviously, there's different types of defense is he has to attack better, But no, it's great.
00:29:13
And I want to ask you this question.
00:29:14
Jo Josh Allen was 285 yards, two touchdowns, two interceptions Sunday in a loss with a potential game winning drive without, I mean, it was nearly a walk off game winning drive.
00:29:25
We have found Josh Allen's floor, in my opinion, like so this to me was a bad, and it's funny cause I got I said in a bad game, you're talking about a quarterback that, like, did this still and it's gonna get lost.
00:29:35
And people were like mad at me that I said he had a bad game like this to me, was a bad game for Josh Allen.
00:29:40
What else do you need to see from him.
00:29:42
What else do you need to see from Josh Allen to make him the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills for the next 10 years? We're talking another Patrick Mahomes.
00:29:48
Half a billion dollar contract.
00:29:51
Oh, half a billion dollar contract.
00:29:53
So I think you might be a little bit.
00:29:55
I'm not putting in that range.
00:29:57
But I'll tell you this.
00:29:58
I mean, what what do you want? What do you want? I mean, Josh Allen has has been one of the best five or eight quarterbacks in the NFL this year that you have it.
00:30:07
He's here.
00:30:08
He's here.
00:30:09
This is him.
00:30:10
He's playing at that type of level S O.
00:30:12
I mean, unless you're just not satisfied for anything other than Patrick Mahomes.
00:30:16
I don't know what to tell you.
00:30:18
I mean, obviously we wish the sample size was bigger, but it's growing or 10 games into this thing, and we think he had a bad game on Sunday.
00:30:25
And I think you're right, Joe.
00:30:27
I mean that the Seattle performance gave us, um, some evidence that the first four games of the season we're a little bit mawr of what he is regularly going to do.
00:30:38
So his arrow has been pointing up.
00:30:40
He's continued to answer questions outside of like opportunities that haven't come his way yet that are about to be here in terms of winning in the playoffs.
00:30:53
Unless you're not satisfied with anything other than the homes, you should be pretty **** happy with Josh Allen and be ready to commit to him.
00:30:59
Bruce, are you happy? Absolutely.
00:31:02
I'm happy.
00:31:03
I think that excellence is a measure of how well you do something multiplied by how long you do it.
00:31:07
And so at this point, the only thing that matters with Josh Allen is time.
00:31:12
That's it.
00:31:13
Because if he was this good, right, you never got any better than this.
00:31:17
This is it.
00:31:18
This is as good as Josh.
00:31:19
How is ever gonna bit? But you knew you got this level of quarterback play for the next decade.
00:31:23
Would you sign up for it? I would.
00:31:25
I would sign up for this, this level of quarterback play for the next decade.
00:31:29
So at this point, it's not a matter of checking the box.
00:31:32
Can he hit this peak? He's already hit that peak.
00:31:35
Now there are still questions to be answered, but most of them revolve around time.
00:31:40
It's simply a matter of time.
00:31:42
And so with Josh Allen, it's not.
00:31:46
Is he good enough? It's.
00:31:47
Can he stay this level of good? Obviously, there's a you know there's a parallel universe out there with Josh on completely collapses.
00:31:54
Right then.
00:31:55
We have a different discussion, right? But the fact the matter is, if he stays this good at this point, I don't need to see certain things from Josh Allen that I haven't seen before.
00:32:05
I just need Time.
00:32:07
E just need sample size because at this point we're in the middle of what I would call Josh Allen's first really, really good year.
00:32:15
There's plenty people who would disagree with me and say the 2019 was a really, really good year for Josh Allen.
00:32:20
I would disagree with that.
00:32:21
I don't think that 2019 was a really, really good year for Josh, and I think he was a below average pastor in 2019 at a tremendous runner and that ended up kind of averaging out for him to be a okay.
00:32:31
He was okay.
00:32:32
And if all I got was 2019, Josh Allen then? Probably not.
00:32:36
But if all I gets 2020 Josh Allen, sign me up.
00:32:40
Good stuff. We have a super chat. We got our first e.
00:32:42
No, You're gonna say something, J Spencer, it was just is just refreshing.
00:32:45
Know that when you said would you sign up for the next 10 years? Collectively, everybody's like, Yes, Give it refreshing, but go forward.
00:32:53
I'm sorry.
00:32:54
Give it to me all day long.
00:32:55
Yeah, because I've I've lived through the last 20 years and a garbage quarterback that we all want to believe in. Fight over.
00:33:01
Uh, John DeFazio.
00:33:02
Welcome to the program.
00:33:03
Thank you for the super chat.
00:33:04
We need to go back to utilizing the jet sweeps to stretch the perimeter that will open up lanes between the tackles and provide better attack angles.
00:33:11
Also, we do a great we do great with run, pass option action of jet sweep.
00:33:15
Anybody want to take that? Do we need todo quick? Now? I agree with him.
00:33:19
But it's just funny to me, because early in the season, that's all we complained about and even going before the season started.
00:33:26
Why do we have to keep Mackenzie? We don't even have to do jet sweeps.
00:33:29
They already know we're doing them.
00:33:30
Get rid of Mackenzie.
00:33:31
Get rid of the jet sweeps.
00:33:32
We do them too much. Now.
00:33:34
We want the jet sweeps back.
00:33:35
I agree with him, though I'm not judging his comment.
00:33:37
It's just funny because you know, Bill's Mafia, we go in circles with what we want.
00:33:41
Anybody else.
00:33:43
I hate that it's necessary.
00:33:44
You know you have to do it, but it's because you have slow running backs.
00:33:49
This is what you have to do.
00:33:50
You have to commit players, too.
00:33:53
Manufacture space, toe hold people because your guys aren't quick enough to and through the hole.
00:33:59
And so to me, it's just speaks to a very incomplete backfield construction in terms of skill sets.
00:34:05
And um, yeah, you need to do it for your running game to be effective.
00:34:08
I hate that it's ineffective.
00:34:10
I want to bring up a stat here right now.
00:34:12
Among running backs in the NFL that have have ran the football at least 40 times this year, there's been 63 of those when it comes to yards after contact.
00:34:22
Zach Mosses, 39th, Devin Singletary is 29th.
00:34:25
These guys aren't getting anything Mawr than there, then that's being blocked for them.
00:34:29
They're not winning post contact.
00:34:31
And part of why is because they're taking on players head up because they can't get toe edges right.
00:34:38
They can't break pursuit angles and give themselves advantageous positions to take on contact because they're slow s So you, you're you're seeing some flaws here in the makeup in construction of these skill sets, based on how the bills want to run the football.
00:34:52
So, yeah, you better get McKinsey going because you're not manufacturing enough space to get a couple of high 46 40 yard dash running backs through holes that close really quick in the NFL.
00:35:02
Super good.
00:35:03
I think it's interesting to me that even with the Mackenzie stuff and like when we see it now and like Mackenzie gets like, scooped up right away on that jet sweep Bills mafias like Okay, we've seen enough of the jet sweep like they're waiting for it.
00:35:15
But what's funny about that is there waiting for it like it's a situation with this team right now that, like when they do it enough for what they do, it at least once in a game when when Alan fakes that jet sweep like the defense collapses on it because they're kind of being prepared because Mackenzie's got really speed and, like that's when, like that offense kind of starts clicking is when the defense is looking for that and when they don't feel like they have to look forward as much, they kind of back off. We got another super chat.
00:35:42
Scott Van Loo.
00:35:43
My man Scott is up in the house, uh, for the Super Chat.
00:35:46
I don't know if you guys suck first day, but Stephen A.
00:35:49
Smith, send send straight up there, said, I'm guessing that the Dolphins are going to win the rest of their games.
00:35:54
And when the A, f, C E and the A.
00:35:56
F C East and the rookie quarterback is gonna be the M v p.
00:35:59
I don't know if you guys suck first.
00:36:01
I don't know e.
00:36:02
I don't know if you saw first take, but e I'm hoping that's what it means.
00:36:09
God, I did not see.
00:36:10
I did not see First take.
00:36:11
We're going to get to that.
00:36:13
So Scott stick around because we're gonna talk here in a minute we're gonna transition Thio, the A F C East picture and the playoffs.
00:36:20
As far as that goes before we dio before we do.
00:36:23
J.
00:36:24
Spence Cole Beasley busted out for 11 catches on 13 targets, 109 yards and a touchdown.
00:36:30
As we talked about already.
00:36:31
He's always open.
00:36:32
Stefon Diggs.
00:36:33
He's always open.
00:36:34
Last year, he averaged the most yards per separation for any wide receiver in the league.
00:36:39
This year, I think is leading again.
00:36:40
The dude is open.
00:36:42
Are the Bills not using him enough? Uh, that's a tough question because, like when you have a couple games like he's had, like this past Sunday, he's had a couple of them now, Um, and it's one of those things where it's like you, obviously, when you use him in the right situations.
00:36:59
But like you said, he's always open.
00:37:02
I literally I feel like if Josh wanted to with the receivers that we had, he could literally throw the whole every play like he could literally throw to call every play.
00:37:11
He just doesn't do it.
00:37:12
So I mean, in that sense, when you're talking about somebody constantly being open, somebody who's very good at creating yards after the catch.
00:37:18
Somebody who's very good, like when you talk about that, the short answer to it is yes.
00:37:24
But the thing is, it's hard to say we're under utilizing him when you also have stuff on digs Brighton and we've been receiving yards.
00:37:30
You have John Brown, who last season was our number one receiver.
00:37:33
And so now he's into this to roll and he hasn't been as healthy as we would like him.
00:37:38
But he still had very good games.
00:37:40
A couple weeks ago, he had 99 yards, you know.
00:37:42
So so the thing is, yes, we probably are under utilizing Stefon Diggs and he's leading the league in yards.
00:37:48
It's just it's just the, you know, it's a gift and a curse at the same time, tohave an offense with these guys who are so talented.
00:37:56
So you know the short answer is yes.
00:37:59
But I think we're under utilizing all of our guys on offense.
00:38:01
Josh included eso Joe to that point.
00:38:04
You said you want to Seymour effective runs and it's become for a lot of since the since the greatest show on turf, it has kind of become you don't known that like teams that throw wide receiver screens, short wide receiver passes that that kind of the Patriots made a living on it like that.
00:38:21
Manufacturers runs right.
00:38:23
So I guess that's the same question I have for you.
00:38:25
Like, are the Bills? Can the Bills substitute that effective effectiveness you want to see in the ground? Can they have substitute that? Substitute that with Cole Beasley.
00:38:35
I think it's important for us to identify when we talk about Cole Beasley and his production from the slot.
00:38:40
He has the most receiving yards and receptions of any slot receiver in the NFL.
00:38:45
He has 600 you won receiving yards from slot X close to see Lamott, 5 57.
00:38:51
Tyler Boyd, 5 28.
00:38:53
You do Smith Schuster for 24.
00:38:55
Nobody else is about 400.
00:38:56
I mean, the Bills air getting the best production in the league of any slot receiver from Cole Beasley.
00:39:03
Oh, here's the thing.
00:39:04
I do simultaneously agree that there is more opportunity to get Cole Beasley involved in whatever.
00:39:10
Josh, does it feel like you see some really good efficiency in the passing game? And so I'm okay with with number one first of all, acknowledging that the bills are getting the best production from this lot of any player in the NFL from Kobe Easley and wanting Mawr.
00:39:26
I want to say something about Scott's super chat that that I think is really important if we can.
00:39:32
Um, Man, I spent a long time in my life being very, very frustrated with this type of conversation from people like Skip Bayless or Stephen A.
00:39:43
Smith or Colin Coward.
00:39:44
And then you get even more frustrated when you find out how much money these guys make.
00:39:48
You know what I mean? It will drive you nuts.
00:39:51
There's something that's really, really, really, really critical that I want everyone to hear.
00:39:55
Those guys are very different than what we're doing right.
00:39:58
If you listen to my podcast or Bruce or you guys were trying to give answers, we're trying to give reasons those guys aren't interested in that they're interested in advancing in advancing discussion, and the fact that that comes up in a super chat today is exactly what they want to do.
00:40:13
They don't care if they're right or wrong.
00:40:14
That's not their objective.
00:40:15
Their objective is to draw attention in advanced discussions.
00:40:19
So don't don't get caught up in the hot takes of the cowards and the Bayliss is and the Stephen A.
00:40:23
Smith's and Max Kellerman's.
00:40:26
All they want to do is create discussion.
00:40:28
You know, Joe, I actually said the other day when Joe and I joked, Miller and I did the other show.
00:40:33
I was saying like since I've started podcasting and it's not it's not like a vein thought.
00:40:38
I don't think that I'm, you know, any much better than anybody, but I've stopped watching a lot of the ESPN shows and FS one and all that stuff and that because that those guys are good.
00:40:49
They're getting paid to do what I'm doing out of the love of, you know, like I just love it.
00:40:52
The thing is, though, what you just said, it makes so much sense.
00:40:56
So what they do is they don't even watch this stuff that they're talking about.
00:40:59
They have guys or ladies who will give them quotes to say, or certain stats to push, and then they'll say it.
00:41:06
If you want Rheal content, that's talking about the teams that you love, whether your bills fan or not if there's somebody in here who isn't a Bills fan, even basketball, hockey, football, go to the go to the people who religiously watch this stuff and care about it.
00:41:22
Bruce had a chat.
00:41:23
The four of us have a chat earlier when we were talking about doing this show tonight and Bruce put this thing in there and I'm like, Yeah, it's very evident.
00:41:30
I need to quit podcasting because I'm nowhere near on the level that Bruce is.
00:41:34
But these are the type of guys you need to listen to, because when you have the questions about, well, why is it on third down that this always happens? Bruce is the guy that can tell you.
00:41:43
Well, it looks like this is what's happening, and this is why Joe Marino is the guy that can tell you that.
00:41:49
So you know nothing against Stephen A.
00:41:51
Smith and ESPN.
00:41:52
But if you want content, you want answers like Joe mentioned, and you want riel quality content.
00:42:00
Check these four guys out.
00:42:01
There's a ton of other guys on Buffalo fanatics.
00:42:03
There's some guys on Buffalo rumblings.
00:42:05
There's a ton of guys and a bunch of other networks that you can find some good quality content.
00:42:11
Had I had to give my rant. I'm sorry.
00:42:13
Ladies and gentlemen, you were watching the Humpty Hotline Special Humpty Hotline A bye week edition Mega Pod edition with myself.
00:42:20
Your host, Joe Miller.
00:42:21
You can find me on Twitter at Joe Miller Wired my co host, J.
00:42:24
Spencer King.
00:42:25
We had two special guest Joe Joe Marina from Locked on Bills podcast and Bruce Nolan from the Bruce Exclusive.
00:42:31
And this is the best segue because we're going to transition to, uh, the playoff picture.
00:42:36
And my man, my guy, Brian Bowers, gives me the segue question.
00:42:39
I said this before the season.
00:42:40
We could have three receivers with 1000 yards like the Colts had also.
00:42:44
What is going on with this team in the third quarter That don't anybody answer? Because I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna gift wrap this for Bruce.
00:42:51
Bruce? I got this for you, buddy.
00:42:53
You ready? So I'm ready.
00:42:55
I was born ready for this, Coach McDermott finally admitted Finally, because we've been speculating for a long time that the bills have had an issue in the third quarter, the bills air plus seven point differential differential for the year Overall game.
00:43:09
What game wise, however there, plus 51 of the first half, plus two in the fourth quarter and there minus 46 in the third.
00:43:17
The woes, at this point admitted by the coach, are riel.
00:43:21
How do they fix it? Okay, well, I can't speak to every third quarter, for sure, but I can speak to the third quarter against the Cardinals.
00:43:30
And when I went back and I looked and I charted all those plays, what I saw was I saw Vance Joseph bringing pressure packages that were messing up the Bills offense.
00:43:42
And it's hard to tell sometimes when there's a protection breakdown, it's always difficult to tell whether or not it's the quarterback, the line or the running backs.
00:43:50
You know, Devin Singletary went to the right where he should have gone to the left, and you know that there's an unblocked player and you see that there's a zone pressure here where they were bringing slot corners from, you know, the Gatorade box, right? They're bringing Gatorade boys off the water, boys off the off the sideline.
00:44:05
They're bringing those people and they're dropping a defensive lineman into coverage.
00:44:08
And when you have players like Marcus Golden and you have players like Hassan Red****, they're apt to drop into coverage so that Byron Murphy and Buddha Baker can come off the slot and bring pressure.
00:44:21
So there's only bringing four.
00:44:23
But they're different for, and that requires communication with your offensive line.
00:44:27
And with all of the issues that the Bills have had, getting the interior of the offensive line right, there were some breakdowns there in protection.
00:44:35
Now it's hard to tell whether or not that's Josh Allen or whether that's the line.
00:44:38
But I'll give you a great example.
00:44:40
So there was a play where the defensive tackle in the third quarter was going up right there, one on one.
00:44:48
Brian Winters.
00:44:49
He's there.
00:44:51
John Feliciano.
00:44:52
He's there.
00:44:53
Felicia has got him.
00:44:54
And then all the sudden he starts to drift and Feliciano passes him off the winters, and the second he passes him off the winters.
00:45:00
Winters immediately starts looking for work to his right to help Daryl Williams.
00:45:05
And so literally John Felicia just escorted him into the gap all the way back to the quarterback.
00:45:11
That's a miscommunication, John Feliciano thought.
00:45:13
Brian Winters was gonna be there, and I have no way to know because I don't know the line calls.
00:45:18
I have no way to know if Brian Winter screwed up or if John Feliciano screwed up.
00:45:23
But I know well enough to know that's not supposed to happen.
00:45:26
I know that escorting a defensive tackle into a B gap is not supposed to happen.
00:45:31
I know that much.
00:45:32
So there are protection breakdowns that come along with having the different five every single time.
00:45:39
We always talk about offensive line jelling, right, how important that is and how important communication is for the offensive line.
00:45:45
That's an example of what happened.
00:45:48
In addition, Josh Allen held onto his first read a little bit long and delivered the wrong type of ball a couple times.
00:45:54
So I'll give you a great example.
00:45:55
The one of the interceptions to the Patrick Peterson, one of the things that actually got picked instead of the other ones that could have gotten picked and didn't get picked right.
00:46:03
So Stefon Diggs is on a dig route, which I thought was just hilarious.
00:46:08
A little chuck it to myself here.
00:46:09
We gotta dig, dig route from digs, and then Dawson Knox is in a deep over, okay? And so Diggs bracketed.
00:46:15
And one of the bracket defenders actually is the one who ends up making the pick on a ball that was intended for Dawson knocks.
00:46:21
If you were playing Madden Josh Allen press and held Dawson knocks button instead of tapped his button, it was the wrong type of throw.
00:46:29
And because of that, they're just little tiny execution issues that keep popping up.
00:46:35
And what I have found is that execution issues and the quantity of them is directly correlative to the shuffling that you have to do a different positions.
00:46:45
This is why jelling is so important.
00:46:47
The longer you spend together, the less chance you have of these mental mistakes, and these things just pop up.
00:46:53
Inopportune times and one or two of them on a drive could derail the whole thing and drive by drive, play by play.
00:47:01
It was always something in the third quarter.
00:47:03
At no point did I look at the play calling and think, Gosh, Brian tables just really, really decided to take his foot off the gas And no point was that the case, it was individual errors that occurred in protection and an execution that put us back.
00:47:19
And then we have a positive play and we have something else that would bring us back.
00:47:22
And it happened over and over and over again.
00:47:25
And that's when the offense sputtered.
00:47:28
Super good.
00:47:29
Joe Marino.
00:47:30
This is what I wanna ask you, because I do.
00:47:33
This is like, I mean, like, BF content heaven right now for me because like what I have at my disposal between the three of you guys is amazing.
00:47:40
So to pile on that conversation that Bruce just gave, which was very well said, This isn't just offensive issue.
00:47:48
This defense is letting Oppa's well.
00:47:50
And if you watched back the video which air the tape, which I have the Gap assignment like the lack of discipline Mario Adams, Mario Addison Rather crashing down like which basically is allowing calamari to pull that ball out, run right around him and head of the end zone.
00:48:07
This defense has got issues, they've got discipline issues and they're showing up big time in the third quarter.
00:48:12
Can this Bills team win? Can they win? Can they make it to the playoffs? They the Dolphins are hot on their heels.
00:48:17
Can they win? Can they make it to the playoffs so they don't get this fixed? You know, it's so so disappointing about that.
00:48:24
Cardinals game is you've got a bunch of finesse offensive lineman that run his own scheme.
00:48:28
That air reached the line of scrimmage.
00:48:30
Your defense of one that's straight up in there.
00:48:33
Eso yeah, I mean, look, the Bills have some defensive line that are playing out of position because star Lotulelei opted out.
00:48:41
They're not getting the one tech production they were hoping from out of Harrison Phillips.
00:48:46
Now, Yeah, that Oliver, Vernon Butler and Quinton Jefferson playing one tech.
00:48:49
And that's not really what they dio.
00:48:51
I'm going to bring up a new idea that I've had, and I'm probably gonna spoil a lot of what I plan on talking about early next week because I think this applies to the question you asked Joe.
00:49:01
And it's not gonna specifically answer your question when it comes to the Bills defense the third quarter.
00:49:07
But I think it does give us some hope is we think forward at seven and three with the Dolphins at six and three.
00:49:14
They're gonna beat Denver this week, folks, They got their backup quarterback, the Dolphins air humming.
00:49:18
They're gonna be seven and three.
00:49:19
So honest question for everyone to think about in.
00:49:26
And maybe this will help us.
00:49:27
Which players on this roster are actually exceeding your expectations right now, Which players on this bill's roster are actually exceeding your expectations? I have three.
00:49:41
Yeah, the whole list.
00:49:42
Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs, Darryl Williams.
00:49:45
Every other player on this roster is either meeting or performing below expectation.
00:49:51
Why is that exciting? Because there's a lot of opportunity to get better with the players that you have, like the way you think.
00:49:58
So we thought the Bills played their best game against Seattle, and I think they did.
00:50:03
That was their best game.
00:50:04
That was the most complete effort, and that kind of got us away for a second to sidetrack this and really gained a lot of momentum.
00:50:10
But at the end of day, I really think what I said is true that outside of Ellen Digs and Darryl Williams, there's nobody else on this team that's exceeding expectations.
00:50:19
Here it is.
00:50:20
Here's the bye week.
00:50:21
You gotta tired football team.
00:50:22
Sean McDermott said it two or three different times that the scheduling jumble with Tennessee and Kansas City took away.
00:50:27
Ah, mini by That they were planning on the bike comes in Week 11.
00:50:31
Later in the season, it kind of threw off their rest structure and you had a tired football team with a bunch of guys that haven't really played their best ball, but your seven and three.
00:50:42
His team has a lot of opportunity to get better with what they have.
00:50:45
Yeah, I mean, Joe Marino preach, brother.
00:50:47
A couple super chat stacked up here.
00:50:50
John DeFazio.
00:50:51
Thank you again for the super chat.
00:50:52
Okay, deep dive.
00:50:54
If we run 10 personnel or specific formations successfully in the first half, we have enough tape to attack pressure from our own self scout.
00:51:01
Our issue is we adjust in the fourth quarter instead of set up for the third.
00:51:05
Anybody want to take that one? Uh, I'll jump on that first.
00:51:10
I don't I don't feel that it's that we don't adjust.
00:51:13
I think the problem is, and it's a good problem to have in a sense, and I know Ah, lot of people are gonna yell at me in the chat about this, but I don't care.
00:51:20
The thing is, the bills are typically normally they're doing better in the first half than the other team, so it's difficult to make adjustments to things that you don't know that they've adjusted to already.
00:51:32
So what happens is the third quarter is normally when that other team adjust.
00:51:36
And then the Bills fans.
00:51:37
They're looking at the bill's performance, and I'm like, What the hell is happening? What is going on? And then once the Bills figure out what the other team is doing, then they adjust and it's normally closer to the fourth quarter.
00:51:45
And then that's when Josh does Josh things.
00:51:48
So wow, it's a great question.
00:51:50
It's a great, great point.
00:51:51
I don't think is that, you know, we're slow with it.
00:51:53
I just think that they need toe figure out how to adjust even before the other team that just to us it might sound difficult, but I mean, what I'm saying is like, even if we go into it with a completely different game plan in the second half, that's just a surprise.
00:52:09
We have to do that, you know.
00:52:10
But but to go into the second half the exact same way.
00:52:13
And that's what we do every game We come out the first half, we look great.
00:52:16
Then the second half, we come out and we're trying to do the same thing or were trying to slow it down a little bit.
00:52:21
We can't do that.
00:52:22
We have toe.
00:52:23
In a sense, you kind of have to go into the game thinking of Okay, If there's two ways to beat this team, which way are we going to do it in the first half? And then which way are we going to do in the second half? You have to switch it up.
00:52:34
You can't come out with this, you know? Yeah.
00:52:36
If you don't, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
00:52:38
Yeah, but in the NFL, you can't do that because they're gonna adjust.
00:52:41
And then you're gonna lose the third quarter, and then we're gonna have what we had happened Sunday.
00:52:47
Yeah, Yeah, I'd agree with that.
00:52:51
I do think that other teams are being forced to adjust to the bills.
00:52:54
Other teams are being forced to adjust the bills because they're up at half time because they come out strong and that does matter.
00:52:59
That's part of that as well.
00:53:01
But in addition, I think that part of this is that there, when you have a team that is explosive, that the Bills have been on many occasions this particular year on I I feel weird still saying that when you have an explosive team that other teams have to adjust to.
00:53:19
I remember Rex Ryan one time saying that he came in with tube game plans against Peyton Manning, and neither one of them worked.
00:53:25
Now, part of that's just because it's Rex Ryan.
00:53:27
But the idea isn't necessarily flawed thing.
00:53:31
Idea of having to game plans isn't necessarily flawed, but you don't know how they're gonna react to you in game.
00:53:39
You don't know what they're going to roll out after halftime.
00:53:42
And so I think part of it's the fact that it's a little bit like rock, paper, scissors.
00:53:46
When I throw rock, I throw rock, I throw rock.
00:53:49
Okay, well, I think if I keep throwing rocks at some point, you're gonna throw paper, and so I should start throwing scissors.
00:53:55
Well, it's not that simple.
00:53:56
It's not.
00:53:57
There's only three things you can do in football.
00:53:59
I have to see what you're gonna start throwing before I can counterpunch.
00:54:03
That's just part of the way.
00:54:04
This isn't part of the third quarter stuff.
00:54:06
Is that part of it that it's always gonna be that I'm not making excuse for that.
00:54:10
It's not an excuse.
00:54:11
It's just a factor.
00:54:13
It's a reason, but it's not the excuse.
00:54:16
Ideally, what you would like to hope to have happened is for a team to go.
00:54:20
Okay, I think based on their tendencies, they are going to react this way, and I need to be prepared.
00:54:26
But I will bring back to the Seattle game.
00:54:28
When, in the second half the Buffalo Bills started getting lots of pressure from the Seattle Seahawks, which team went to their screen game first Bills? Was it the Bills, or was it the Seahawks? It was the Bills.
00:54:40
We reacted to their pressure schemes before they reacted to ours.
00:54:44
It was The game was out of hand before the Seahawks were like, you know, maybe I should try scheme.
00:54:50
Maybe I should throw a screen pass.
00:54:51
I don't know.
00:54:52
I mean, Brian Schottenheimer sitting there looking at Russell Wilson like I don't know you wanna try something? I know it's crazy, but you wanna try it, and the Bills did it first.
00:54:59
So the I think it's a little bit overblown, not because there's not a problem there, but because there's there's factors associated with that that we understand.
00:55:08
And when I look at the Cardinals game and I see the way that the Cardinals were ableto runs own pressures against the Bills and I think you know, I don't think this is third quarter, I think if we had a better offensive line are preferred starters.
00:55:22
This probably would have been an issue.
00:55:24
The the only agree the almost entirely the only place that I would disagree with you, Bruce, is it seems to me the Bills come into the third quarter after half and kind of, Ah, let's see what you're gonna do.
00:55:37
Like they kind of it seems like they attack that third quarter with we're gonna make some adjustments and we're gonna kinda have a plan.
00:55:43
But we want to see what you're gonna do first.
00:55:46
Just because where I disagree, is I.
00:55:48
Just because they got to the screen pass first against Seattle doesn't mean that they always get to the solution first before the other team.
00:55:54
A lot of time to think the Bills air like finally figuring it out around the like five minute mark in the fourth quarter.
00:55:59
It's like, Oh, this is what they're kind of doing to us But that's just me.
00:56:02
Uh, super chats are stacking up Scott, Scott and Lou, thanks to the super chat, buddy, you know what really ****ed me off is the Hopkins catch.
00:56:08
It's alright on Wednesday, and we're still talking about it, whether it's ****yst or people on Facebook.
00:56:13
That was just me Once in a lifetime lucky catch.
00:56:15
We're trying to put it to get to bed, bro.
00:56:17
So we talked about we actually haven't talked about on this show at all.
00:56:20
But you can't put it to bed, though.
00:56:22
Like that's catch is gonna be on highlights for years to come.
00:56:25
Like if I ever have kids, my kids, kids will see that catch like that.
00:56:29
Same thing with the in Minnesota when Dix made that catch.
00:56:33
You still see that commercial now? Sort of like you're going to see this catch all like so I'm sorry, guys, where Bills fans and it hurts because it happened to us.
00:56:42
We can't put this to bed.
00:56:43
This is one that we're gonna live with.
00:56:45
I appreciate the sentiment.
00:56:46
I don't think he's talking to us because we have not talking.
00:56:48
It was in my highlight reel, but we have not talked about it.
00:56:50
Joe Marino.
00:56:52
The Dolphins are coming.
00:56:53
So I was pretty upset with the whole two is coming thing that was on Good morning football a couple weeks ago, But clearly the Dolphins were making a statement.
00:57:01
Uh, they're coming on strong.
00:57:03
And after the winners of five in a row, which to me is insane that they've won five games in a row.
00:57:09
How do I want to ask this question? Are they now a real threat to the Bills A F C East hopes and is the way that they're winning? Sustainable? They're absolutely getting ready to an eight in a row.
00:57:20
They've got Denver with their backup quarterback this week and the Jets and Bangles.
00:57:26
So you get ready for Yeah, they're definitely in it.
00:57:29
And look, I think you can poke holes in in their formula for winning, and Bruce will tell you that the what does it hurt him date 1000 times.
00:57:41
How you win is more is a better indicator of future success than the fact you did win.
00:57:47
And so you can poke holes in that.
00:57:48
But well, look what all of us a better person for risk listening to Bruce Exclusive? Um, so, yeah, you could poke holes in it for sure.
00:57:59
Um, but they're winning.
00:58:01
And this didn't just happen overnight.
00:58:04
They had a winning record over the last nine games last year with one of the worst rosters ever assembled, and they had some quality wins over that stretch, and now they're six and three.
00:58:13
So they finished five and four last year.
00:58:14
Six and three now, like this did.
00:58:15
This isn't like random.
00:58:17
They had a great off season.
00:58:19
They have a really good head football coach and Brian Force.
00:58:21
That is very Shawn McCoy, Dermot, like, um, and there's a lot of exciting things defensively.
00:58:28
He's got that scheme humming.
00:58:29
He's got the people that he needs to run it.
00:58:31
His cornerbacks are healthy and Eggs Avian Howard and Byron Jones.
00:58:34
Bobby McCain's been unbelievable at free safety.
00:58:37
Raekwon Davis is coming to his into his own is a nose tackle Emmanuel Aguas been one of the best pass rushers in the league.
00:58:43
A great scheme with the people to run it to a has given that offense exactly what they're hoping for, which is a very dynamic read, are not Excuse me.
00:58:52
RP oh, dynamic toe what they're doing.
00:58:54
He's making throws with anticipation.
00:58:56
He's accurate.
00:58:57
He's been decisive.
00:58:59
Their offensive line. They've got some.
00:59:01
They got some questionable pieces, but it's jelling with some of these young players like you could sit here and deflect and not take the Dolphin seriously and all that.
00:59:10
But yeah, they're in it and they're in it to disrupt what Buffalo has.
00:59:14
And so the Bills need to take care of their business because if they don't, they're not gonna host a home playoff game in January like we all want them.
00:59:20
Thio Bruce I'm reminded of a Baltimore Ravens Trent Dilfer lead Super Bowl team that won, basically because of because of their defense, is this is the way the Dolphins air winning two job arenas Point.
00:59:33
Is it sustainable and is it indicative of future wins for this team? I think it's indicative of future wins against lesser competition.
00:59:41
I think that the idea that you can have a good defense and when the Super Bowl isn't actually accurate, you can't have a good defense when the Super Bowl, you have to have a legendary defense toe win the Super Bowl based on that.
00:59:54
And is the Dolphins defense legendary? Are we talking about the two thousands Ravens? Are we talking about 2000 to Tampa Bay Buccaneers? You know, with multiple Hall of Famer 85 85 Bears? I don't think we're talking about that level.
01:00:06
We're talking about the beginning of 2019 New England Patriots defense, which is really good, and they are really good defense.
01:00:13
And yes, you can be.
01:00:15
You can beat Denver and you.
01:00:16
You should be Denver with that defense.
01:00:18
You could beat Cincinnati, and you should be Cincinnati with that defense.
01:00:22
But the Dolphins have the Raiders, the Chiefs, the Bills at the end of their schedule and the Patriots, who are always a tough out.
01:00:32
Just ask the Ravens if the Patriots are ever a tough out.
01:00:36
And so, yes, I think it's sustainable at a certain level.
01:00:40
I don't think it's sustainable, and less they get better, better offensive play.
01:00:45
But the problem is by the time that their defense starts to maybe start to level out and starts to normalize, who is gonna have games under his belt and he's going to continue to grow.
01:00:55
And so the Dolphins concern me.
01:00:57
But they don't just concern me because their defense is scary, because I do think their defense is gonna normalize at some point.
01:01:02
It's still gonna be very good, but I don't think you're looking at a historic defense.
01:01:06
But the problem is, by the time that happens, two is gonna have enough games under his belt.
01:01:11
He's gonna start to feel more comfortable in a Chan Gailey offense that it absolutely fits what he does no pun intended with the fits.
01:01:17
But I think that the Dolph should be concerned.
01:01:21
We should be concerned about the Dolphins for short and a rhetorical question.
01:01:26
I don't want nobody to answer it, but are we starting starting to get concerned that too we can't throw for 300 yards? I'm just wondering.
01:01:31
I mean, we're three games into a career.
01:01:32
He hasn't thrown for 300 yet, so I think that just needs to be said we got some super chat stacked up, so I guess I need to get to these real quick before we finish up.
01:01:39
John DeFazio Thank you so much for the super chat. Love your takes.
01:01:42
He's talking to Spence. That's what I'm trying to say, Spence.
01:01:44
I think it's either planning for pressure Bs, verse, man or Pressure verse. Deep Zone.
01:01:49
It's really that simple, Which is good.
01:01:51
Scott Scott Van Loo Back in the house for the third time.
01:01:53
Matt Milano Contractors.
01:01:55
Our contract is up, I think, this year with him being, uh, into a prom.
01:02:01
Do you sign him, uh, to a short term deal to see how he does and maybe go out and get a veteran in free agency? Someone, uh, a za first draft to develop.
01:02:10
I have a comment on this.
01:02:11
So the the greatest ability is availability.
01:02:14
Matt Milano is not going to sign a one year prove it Deal.
01:02:17
The reality is, is somebody is going to give him $15 million a year based on the ceiling or the floor, right? I mean this defense.
01:02:25
This this bills defense looks completely different when Matt Milano is playing and he's healthy and somebody is going to give him a contract.
01:02:33
12.
01:02:34
15 year based on what they could potentially give him.
01:02:38
They're not gonna give it to him based on necessarily what his injury history is.
01:02:41
So there's no way, in my opinion, that the bill's going to skate on some sort of a one year contract or one year, prove it deal or two year prove it.
01:02:48
Deal like, hey, with high incentive laden deal.
01:02:51
Does anybody disagree with that statement? Absolutely not.
01:02:56
I don't disagree with that statement at all.
01:02:58
There has to be in agreement between a player's representation and the player and the team on what that player is, and there is no chance that a team is not going to offer madam a lot of money.
01:03:08
That's just not gonna happen.
01:03:09
So it would work for the Bills.
01:03:11
Sure, in an ideal world, you say, Okay, well, you know, let's let's do that.
01:03:15
But the fact the matter is, that's just not what's gonna happen.
01:03:17
Somebody's gonna offer Matt Milano 13 to $14 million a year, probably to be a really good weak side linebacker for them, and that's just gonna happen.
01:03:27
So the bills have a decision as to whether or not they're going to either pay that, let him walk or tag him.
01:03:34
So there is no, you know, Quaternary option where it's well, if I could just sign a one year approve a deal, he's not gonna take a one. You approve a deal.
01:03:43
You know what? The one you approve a deal is the tag.
01:03:45
That's what ISS on that might happen.
01:03:47
There's a good chance that that might exactly be what happens.
01:03:50
But, yeah, the biggest thing for me is it's It's such a weird paradox, because this defense looks so different with Matt Milano in it.
01:04:00
The problem is that the dude cannot stay on the football field.
01:04:02
It's just really weird.
01:04:03
So Jonah Fazio, back in the House, overrated to up, is running a simple offense.
01:04:08
The legal catch up and check his stats at the end of December is the world somebody somebody talking about this is the world going to crash down onto? Are they gonna start throwing because he came out, I think, this week and said, You know what? I thought the NFL is gonna be harder.
01:04:21
Anyone.
01:04:23
The reason why the NFL caught up with Ryan Fitzpatrick in the change of the offense is just Ryan Fitzpatrick couldn't throw the ball down the field.
01:04:29
It wasn't because Chan Gailey's offense is intrinsically crazy simple, and the league caught up with it.
01:04:35
It's because Ryan Fitzpatrick couldn't throw the ball down the field.
01:04:38
And so what happened was defense is starting to collapse on them.
01:04:40
In addition, the you know the best year of Ryan Fitzpatrick career with Chan Gailey happened with the Jets, where he had reasonable offensive weapons.
01:04:48
With the Bills, it was Stevie Johnson and Donald Jones.
01:04:51
So that's a secondary issue and the reason why the league was able to catch up to the Ryan Fitzpatrick lead.
01:04:56
Buffalo Bills, those air.
01:04:58
Not the issues with 22 It can throw the ball accurately down the field, and the Dolphins have weapons.
01:05:04
So because of that, I don't think you should be expecting the exact same thing.
01:05:08
I'm not saying to is never gonna run into a roadblock.
01:05:10
That's not what I'm saying.
01:05:11
I'm saying that this idea that it's going to repeat itself history speaking because that's what happened with Chan Gailey offenses.
01:05:18
You gotta look at the situation with Chan Gailey offenses.
01:05:20
Ryan Fitzpatrick is your trigger man is gonna get you by.
01:05:24
But Ryan Fitzpatrick throwing the ball outside the seems down the field was a problem.
01:05:30
And once defense is realized that there's certain things that a quarterback can't do within the scope of the offense, then that becomes problematic.
01:05:38
Yeah, and that's part of being a franchise quarterback.
01:05:41
Part of being a franchise quarterback is not having very obvious tells that the defense goes, Hey, you know what this guy can't do that it's that simple.
01:05:48
He just can't do this thing.
01:05:50
So as such, we can run defense.
01:05:51
Is that naturally seed that thing to the quarterback, knowing he's not capable of taking advantage of it.
01:05:57
And until two of shows that he's not able to do those things, I'm going to continue to believe that there is a reasonable possibility that the world's not gonna collapse down on him.
01:06:06
Good stuff, and you're basically barking straight down the Lamar Jackson tree as far as like what? What defenses have realized that he cannot do, and they're trying to force him to do things basically inside that scheme, Joe, you're gonna say something We're going to say I feel like I'm at a difficult point here with this to a discussion because I'm reading these comments and bills.
01:06:26
Mafia is one wants to slander to Ah, and I think I think there's a lot of bias going into those takes and I have to.
01:06:37
I have to learn the role that I need to play in this discussion because I really disagree.
01:06:43
I really disagree.
01:06:44
I I mean, I scouted to, ah, heavily at Alabama.
01:06:47
I know the player he is.
01:06:49
I know what he's being asked to do.
01:06:50
I've watched the all 22 of his last two starts.
01:06:53
I see high level throws.
01:06:54
I mean, you wanna You don't think this guy has arm talent pop on the Arizona game and look in the fourth quarter and watch him rolled to his right.
01:07:01
He's on the right hash and hitting my Kosecki outside the numbers on the left hash, 19 yards down the field, flat footed with pressure.
01:07:10
Tell me he doesn't have arm talent.
01:07:12
E mean, I'm very impressed with two.
01:07:14
Uh, I really appreciate that he's played the role that he needs to.
01:07:18
It's not his fault that he's getting defensive turnovers that are crazy and punt returns and really good production around him.
01:07:24
He's playing the role that he has to for this football team, which is tremendous maturity for a guy who has only played a few games.
01:07:32
If if If Josh Allen looked like to A did after his first three starts, this would weigh would feel very differently.
01:07:38
I think I think Bill's Mafia's gonna have to be careful here, too, not just poke holes into, uh, and be in denial mode about what he is and the skill set that he has and what he's capable of doing with really good coaching.
01:07:49
And they haven't gotten the weapons right around him yet.
01:07:52
He's got a couple of good players, right? I mean, Devante Parker's a nice player.
01:07:55
Get sick.
01:07:56
He's a good tight end, but collectively they don't have enough speed.
01:07:58
They've got some really weak links on their offensive line.
01:08:00
They've got like their fifth and six running back plane.
01:08:03
There's there's reinforcements coming here.
01:08:05
They got to one's two twos.
01:08:06
Next year they're in the top 10 of available cap space.
01:08:08
Next year we could be in denial mode.
01:08:10
All we want about this Miami team.
01:08:12
Maybe be a little ****ed off that it's coming together a little quicker than we all wanted it.
01:08:17
Thio.
01:08:18
And it's taken this long for the Bills to get to this point.
01:08:20
But don't be in denial mode about the Miami Dolphins and two on what he's shown so far.
01:08:24
Super good Super salad. Gorgeous.
01:08:26
France and I. Well, I definitely agree.
01:08:28
Joe Miller will tell you.
01:08:29
All summer I was saying to uh like People are sleeping on two.
01:08:33
I get the hip injury, I get it.
01:08:35
He has to come back and be healthy.
01:08:37
But if he's anything close to what we saw in Alabama, like I'm just telling you, the kid is deadly accurate.
01:08:42
He does have the arm talent that you talked about.
01:08:44
He could stand here and fling the ball around like it's nothing.
01:08:48
Nothing.
01:08:49
And as soon as he, like you mentioned as soon as he gets some receivers.
01:08:52
We thought Josh had a bad and he did.
01:08:54
When we had Kelvin Benjamin and whoever else that we had that year, it was a rough year.
01:09:01
It was a very rough year that za basically what two is dealing with right now.
01:09:05
Except you're right. He does have Parker.
01:09:07
He does have, you know, he has a good tight and as well.
01:09:09
So he has a couple pieces there.
01:09:11
Josh Allen has shady.
01:09:13
You know, we we had something for him, but he didn't have what he has now when to a gets a receiving corps and a line to block properly and running backs that can, like, really just do great things like shady did for us when we had him.
01:09:27
Listen, two is coming, and I get it.
01:09:30
Like you just said, man Bills fans.
01:09:31
There's some bias there.
01:09:32
We don't want to respect him because he's in our division.
01:09:35
Sure listen to is coming.
01:09:37
He's coming.
01:09:38
We're all aboard the to a train here, and I'm gonna I'm gonna wreck the to a train.
01:09:41
So I did this last night as an exercise.
01:09:43
A Zai was on for the RICO report with judge.
01:09:45
And with Clay, we're gonna go around the horn. We'll start with Spence.
01:09:49
We're gonna go, Bruce.
01:09:50
It was well, And with Joe so rank these three quarterbacks right now.
01:09:54
Joe Burrow, right, Herbert into a What's the criteria here? What does that mean? What are we ranking them on? You gotta You gotta take one of these guys.
01:10:06
If you're gonna take one of these guys or potentially, who's gonna be the best of the three of them? Like if you from what you see right now, which one of these guys is gonna be the best quarterback? If I'm If I'm starting a team right now, I'm taking Joe Burrow.
01:10:18
Joe Burrow. Bruce? Yeah.
01:10:21
Borough Thio. Herbert.
01:10:23
Yeah, Yeah, I'm there.
01:10:26
I think at this point, I just have to stay true to where I saw these guys Prospects.
01:10:29
So that Zatz where I had him And, uh, here's the thing.
01:10:33
I think if you ask the Bengals fans, they want Borough.
01:10:36
If you ask the Chargers fans they want Herbert, it's okay if they're all good, there's no rule saying that they can't all be good players.
01:10:43
I mean, they got ahead of the curve, the thing that I see him borough that I like, though, and I'm sure like to me, he has some of the intangibles that I feel like Josh has.
01:10:51
So the he hate And I'm sure everybody who's on that level hates to lose.
01:10:56
But you can really see it in certain guys.
01:10:59
And, um, borough man, he just refuses to even when they obviously take losses, because they do, um, it he tries toe will that entire team to a victory every single week and, um, do that that it factor And that mentality is something that I look for in a leader for my team.
01:11:18
So it's one of the reasons why I love Josh, but to your point man to, uh, Herbert both of them.
01:11:24
And like Herbert's been playing lights out like, I felt bad for Tyrod at first cause it's like, man, he loses his job in Cleveland because he had a concussion.
01:11:32
And then Baker came in and played great.
01:11:35
And now this time the team doctor punctures his lungs or whatever, and now he loses it.
01:11:39
But in reality, if you watch Herbert play, you can't be too bad, like you can't be mad.
01:11:47
It's like, Look, Tyrod, I'm sorry we will give you your job back, but this guy is doing your job better. Literally.
01:11:53
You know what's so, Bill? You know, it's so Bill Z.
01:11:54
This is what's so bills a Hey, Buffalo Bills, fan bills, Mafia you guys air finally gonna get your franchise quarterback.
01:11:59
And by the way, he has the ceiling potential to be the best quarterback in the NFL and, like it's gonna just gonna take him a while t develop to develop.
01:12:07
However, not only are you going to get like a franchise quarterback, three quarters of the A F C is going to get amazing franchise quarterbacks pretty much around the same time.
01:12:16
So e mean the league is flush with young talent.
01:12:20
So, ladies and gentlemen, you're listening or watching the Humpty Hotline on the Buffalo Fanatics Podcast Network.
01:12:25
I got two more questions, and we're gonna do a roundtable discussion.
01:12:27
Bruce, I'm gonna start with you, and I want each of you to pick a different guy if you do that for me.
01:12:31
So take somebody opposite this off season.
01:12:34
The bill signed Vernon Butler, Mario Addison, Quinton Jefferson, A J.
01:12:37
Klein and Josh Norman to this defense, all of whom have played subpar compared to the off the off season expectations.
01:12:44
In your opinion, which one of these guys turns it around and has the biggest impact on the last six games of the season? Bruce First, I'm going to challenge the question right off the bat because I think I think Mario Addison Quinton Jefferson had played well.
01:12:57
I think Mario Addison, Quinton Jefferson have played well.
01:12:59
I think Vernon Butler has not played well.
01:13:01
A J.
01:13:02
Klein has not played well, but then and I didn't expect him to play well, so they he hasn't played some part of my expectations, for sure.
01:13:08
And Josh Norman? It's been well do***ented how I felt about Josh Norman and the signing that they have there.
01:13:13
So I think that off the people that you just mentioned, the person who has the greatest chance of being able to have the biggest impact in the next six games relative to their impact in the previous 10 games is Quinton Jefferson.
01:13:26
I think Quinton Jefferson, after coming from Seattle playing a lot of three tech playing a lot of defensive end Quinton Jefferson, has been rolling out at one Tech and alternating with at Oliver.
01:13:36
And that's not something that Quinton Jefferson, ideally I'd like to see now.
01:13:40
Part of the run defense problems that we've seen is because we're rolling out Quinton Jefferson and at Oliver as one Texan, whenever we really need toe, you know, hold up against the run.
01:13:49
We throw £287 generous defensive tackle in at one Tech because he's got, you know, great center of gravity, and he's got good strength that he can hold up to double teams.
01:13:58
But Quintin Jefferson is playing out of position because at Oliver's playing out of position because Starla Tool is not here and Harrison Phillips is under well, so I think that if Harrison Phillips is able to come back and be healthier the last part of this season and be effective, I think that has a trickle and a ripple effect through the rest of the defensive line.
01:14:18
And I think one of the players that affects the most is Quinton Jefferson.
01:14:22
So I totally strategy failed on that whole entire question and she just started with Dispense Marina and then gone to you three to ruin my life.
01:14:28
But that doesn't mean I'm gonna wrote it.
01:14:31
This'll is the first thing that I want to say.
01:14:33
First of all, so we just went from 150 people in this room to 260 which means a bunch of you just lost logged off of other people's shows.
01:14:41
Here's the problem.
01:14:42
You should have started here.
01:14:43
This is where you should have been all night long.
01:14:45
Welcome to the 100 of you that just tuned in to the Humpty Hotline with my man J.
01:14:50
Spencer King, Get special guest Joe Marino from locked on Bills podcast and special guest Bruce Nolan from the Bruce Exclusive Joe Marino.
01:14:57
Which one of those guys you got Hear me out.
01:15:01
It's always a good start.
01:15:05
Well, because look, it's to get it sound really dumb when I say it.
01:15:08
And then when I explain myself, maybe it's gonna be better.
01:15:11
But, uh, I'm gonna go with Aaron, James Klein and the reason I think that he is the you know that there is in the initials what the initials didn't.
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I didn't know that I looked at.
01:15:23
I looked up but looked it up on pro football reference while Bruce was talking.
01:15:29
Here's what.
01:15:30
Here's why.
01:15:31
I believe that right now we've seen way too much a J.
01:15:33
Klein way too much.
01:15:34
He's been a little better over the last couple of games.
01:15:37
The reason too much is Matt Malone.
01:15:39
Tremaine evidence have been hurt.
01:15:42
Well, I think coming out of the by here and that Milano is gonna have to miss the Chargers game.
01:15:47
But come the 40 Niners game, you've got Milano back.
01:15:51
You have Edmonds who's obviously looking a lot better.
01:15:54
A.
01:15:55
J.
01:15:56
Klein is gonna go back to the role he was brought to fill for this football team, which is 10 15 snaps, a game of base defense and special teams, and within those 10 to 15 snaps a game, I think the Bills have learned over the last 10.
01:16:07
Iksan will be 11 weeks by the time Milano gets back what a.
01:16:11
J.
01:16:12
Klein brings to the table for this defense.
01:16:14
Maybe it's that blitzing type stuff and using him in certain situations that don't put him in situations where it's not ideal for his skill set.
01:16:22
So I think him taking on an actual role that makes sense for him.
01:16:26
Instead of having tow beam at a lot of or to be Tremaine, Edmunds will put him into a lot better situation to succeed and I think will be a lot more satisfied with him for 10 to 15 snaps instead of the 60 65 70 snaps a game. He's playing right now.
01:16:41
Super good, Spence, You can't take the two that they took. Who you got.
01:16:45
Well, I'm gonna actually go with Josh Norman.
01:16:47
I'm what I'm thinking.
01:16:50
And what I'm hoping is that the fact that he's been somewhat injured and then he had cove it and then other things that have happened throughout the year.
01:16:57
What I'm hoping is, for the second half of this season, we got a cornerback with fresh legs with, you know, some experience in the league as being a good player.
01:17:08
Um, he's experienced in this type of defense.
01:17:11
He has a lot of, you know.
01:17:12
So I'm I'm hoping that that experience in that expertise, plus the rest throughout the season, will play a factor into the second half of the season where you might have some teams who had earlier by where now you know they're receiver, you know, you put a fresh body on, let's see how this thing works.
01:17:27
So I'm hoping that our our secondary steps up and Josh Norman is a huge part of that.
01:17:33
If we could have another cornerback, not even to be Trey White level just to be something close that where? You know we're not getting destroyed over there, you know, Could you could you just imagine if we took away two or three of the first down conversions that we get on third down when you always see either, uh, Tehran over there or, uh, Levi over there? Or if you take away two or three of those first down conversions? Sure.
01:18:03
That's a huge.
01:18:04
That means so much for the team.
01:18:06
So that's what I'm looking forward.
01:18:07
Thio Sidebar.
01:18:09
Before I ask the last question and we're almost done here.
01:18:11
This has been This has been a thrill.
01:18:13
The same guy that just said this piece delusional Bills fans Right before he posted that said this end of conversation, I'll be back when two wins the Super Bowl's rookie just saying Oh, boy, Oh boy.
01:18:25
So yeah, as and the lines up perfectly.
01:18:29
First, delusional Bills fans with my very last questions.
01:18:31
We'll start with Jay.
01:18:32
Spence will go to Joe Marino will finish off with Bruce on, gonna ask it different if the Bills missed the playoffs or I should say, if the bills don't win the east, let's start there.
01:18:41
If the Bills Don't win the the A f C East and I don't wanna I don't wanna hear because the Dolphins won more games.
01:18:46
So a reason.
01:18:47
If the bills don't win the A f C East, why is it J.
01:18:50
Spence? If the Bills don't win the NFC East is because Sean McDermott needs to be fired.
01:18:57
E.
01:18:58
I mean, there's no other explanation if if if, if we do not win the A F C East or make the playoffs or whatever scenario you just try to see Oh, this is gonna make the playoffs in 10 and 6, 11 and four for sure. 11.
01:19:09
5, for sure.
01:19:10
The question.
01:19:11
We don't want a division at this point. We're four. No.
01:19:13
If we if we crapped the bed now, if it gets to the point where if it comes down to that, then I got you know, I understand, But we should win.
01:19:22
There should be no reason why we go through this season and we get to those last two games and it's not determined unless Miami just has a great you know, like like you said, if they start winning and we have the same record, okay, we need to beat these guys down.
01:19:35
There is no excuse.
01:19:36
Well, it comes on the last game of the season.
01:19:38
You're talking about two of the Miami Dolphins in Orchard Park s, so we should beat them that week, so there's no excuse for me.
01:19:45
Sure, Joe Marino.
01:19:47
So if you go across the last 10 years, 2000 and 9 to 2019 and you apply the 14 team playoff rules that apply moving forward, there has been zero seven and two teams that missed the playoffs under those under that format.
01:20:07
All right, so are you.
01:20:10
Is this Buffalo Bills team really going to be the one? Yeah, there's, and that extends to eight and three.
01:20:18
So if the Bills be the Chargers spoiler alert, I'm gonna pick him to do that by at home.
01:20:26
There's never been an 83 team that hasn't made the playoffs or wouldn't have made the playoffs under this format, so I don't believe in, you know, like crowning yourself before it should happen.
01:20:36
I think we learned a valuable lesson on that Sunday, but this team, this team's playoff caliber to steal a Sean McDermott phrase, I expect them to be in the playoffs.
01:20:47
If they don't, then teams like the Raiders really got hot.
01:20:52
The Colts got hot, the Bills crap themselves, and the Dolphins ran away with it.
01:20:58
Is that gonna happen? I think.
01:21:00
What's crazy? I think it's crazy to your point.
01:21:02
And I literally I sat on the couch drinking my coffee.
01:21:05
It was 7 30 in the morning.
01:21:06
Good morning football was on and they were talking about the A F C standings.
01:21:10
And there are obviously got the Steelers undefeated.
01:21:13
You've got the Chiefs.
01:21:14
It to the Bills are seven and three.
01:21:16
I think there's one of the team and seven and three, and the amount of six and three stacked teams like it goes all the way through the entire playoff picture.
01:21:23
And there's two teams in the hunt with six wins and the Bills around by this week.
01:21:27
And I'm thinking to myself where these winds coming from, like who are these teams beating? Because there's like everybody is kind of like mashed and huddled altogether there at the top.
01:21:35
So as much as your point is super pointed about, like in this format, the playoff format that we have in blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and 83 yada yada yada.
01:21:43
We're in a position where, like there's pressure on this Bills football team that they've never felt before, It's one thing that, like, have pressure like win a game.
01:21:50
It's something else when there's like the dude is chasing you like there's teams chasing us right now, which is crazy on I recognize that, Um, but I mean and I think we're in this moment where all of the things you said are true, Joe, but not to sound really cliche or stupid, but like they're gonna play the rest of the games, right? I mean, like, this sorts itself out.
01:22:10
And when you think about the way the bills air playing and what they have and some of the stuff we've talked about here, that leads you to believe things could be better going forward despite being at a really good spot, I just I don't know that.
01:22:21
I mean, unless Josh Allen gets hurt.
01:22:23
Matt Barkley running this ship.
01:22:25
Good God, You wanna talk about bad running offense, Take away Josh Allen.
01:22:28
Uh, they're going to the postseason, and I mean, unless they really just are a fraud.
01:22:35
And I don't think that's the case with this team over the other.
01:22:37
Bruce, you've been quiet.
01:22:39
Well, you know, I'm waiting my turn sitting here behind my my lovely, my lovely picture here.
01:22:44
I'm trying to be the miracle, Joe.
01:22:45
That's what I'm trying to dio thank the entire show, man.
01:22:48
It's like, Are you gonna move or the impressive right? E.
01:22:53
Bet you didn't know I was accomplished.
01:22:54
Ventriloquist e would change is I would probably try to figure a way to get your mouth just thio.
01:22:59
And I need to put headphones on you like it's not right that you don't have headphones on.
01:23:03
But e think if if the bills were to miss the playoffs, Josh Allen got hurt, I think the biggest the biggest weakness on this team is the drop off from q B one a Q B two.
01:23:14
I do not trust Matt Barkley to be able to run effective, especially given the fact that we're not dealing with the same level of defense that we dealt with in 2000 and 19. 2018.
01:23:23
We're winning this year in large part because of Josh Allen.
01:23:27
If you take away the reason why this team is winning, then you cannot expect them to win anymore.
01:23:34
We're not winning because we have a stellar running game.
01:23:37
We're not willing because we have a stellar defense.
01:23:41
We're not winning because we're getting tons of turnovers and flukey stuff.
01:23:44
We're winning because this passing offense, which is driven through Josh Allen, is outscoring opponents and they're doing it at a 7 to 3 pace.
01:23:55
So if you remove Josh Allen from that equation, then that's what happened.
01:24:01
Because that's the thing that's making the engine go.
01:24:03
Right now, it's good stuff.
01:24:06
No, it's that we're living in the world of Josh Allen.
01:24:08
I've said that all offseason that this is the season of Josh Allen.
01:24:12
I said that we will know, in my opinion, who Josh Allen is by Week eight, like he's either going to regress or he's going to begin to show us who he is and what his ceiling could be, uh, which he has done.
01:24:23
This has been an awesome experience.
01:24:25
I just want to take a moment just to thank you guys just for being a part of the show.
01:24:29
J.
01:24:30
Spence, Joe Marino, Bruce Exclusive uh, do me a favor.
01:24:32
Let's go around the horn real quick.
01:24:33
And, uh, J spent something about you one more time for the fans and the watchers, who you are.
01:24:39
What? Your show is one final thought, and they will do.
01:24:40
Bruce will do, Joe.
01:24:42
And I just got it just before we do, right? I was just Before we do this, we owe Eric.
01:24:47
Welcome to the show.
01:24:48
Thank you for the super chat.
01:24:49
What a strange, unique number. 17. 14.
01:24:51
Uh, that would be Josh Allen.
01:24:53
And one, uh, last 33 Bills.
01:24:57
13 game on a captain clutch throw to the best.
01:24:59
Receiving the league defense played well.
01:25:01
Azzawi needed to to win.
01:25:03
Besides the lapse go bills.
01:25:05
What needs to happen after the by? Does anyone want to take that? So he's literally asking what needs to take place, I guess.
01:25:11
Let's do that.
01:25:12
So each of you what's the one thing that needs to happen after the by J. Spence.
01:25:18
Well, for me, the one thing that has to happen after the by, we need to, um really just be consistent.
01:25:24
Stick with what we're doing.
01:25:25
We need to get healthy.
01:25:26
That's it.
01:25:27
You know, Let's let's get healthy and then do what we've been doing the last two weeks.
01:25:30
I'm happy with the direction the team is going in.
01:25:34
The defense is getting better.
01:25:35
The offenses seems consistent.
01:25:37
I mean, the running game.
01:25:38
We do want to see that improved.
01:25:39
But getting healthy is the That's the part.
01:25:42
So we're good. Bruce.
01:25:45
I think that you need to be able to run the ball when you have Thio.
01:25:49
I don't think like Joe, Marino said.
01:25:51
I don't think that running needs to be a 60% part of your offense, but it does need to be ineffective 40% of your offense.
01:25:57
And right now, if you do something 40% of the time and 40% of the time it works, none of the times.
01:26:04
If that's the case, then you're you're gonna be hampered because you can't just completely abandon it.
01:26:11
But it needs to be, you know, effective in certain times.
01:26:14
I did entire article for Buffalo rumblings last offseason about there are effective times to run the football, and when those downs and situations come up, you need to be able to do it now.
01:26:25
It shouldn't be a foundation of your offensive.
01:26:27
I have to pick one.
01:26:28
I'm gonna pick passing over running for sure.
01:26:30
But it needs to be a part of this now.
01:26:32
Part of that is gonna come from isolating variable, which is the offensive line.
01:26:36
Like Joe said, getting your preferred starting five is gonna be part of that.
01:26:40
But the other part of it's making sure that Okay, now that we have are starting five.
01:26:44
What's the appropriate scheme? It's almost like a flow chart.
01:26:47
Do we have the preferred starters? Yes.
01:26:49
No.
01:26:50
If yes, then it start evaluating scheme and go from there.
01:26:53
Good stuff.
01:26:54
Joe Marino Put Mitch Morrison center John Feliciano at right guard.
01:26:58
Cody, forward at left guard.
01:26:59
Tell them to put their big boy pants on and move some bodies out of the **** waste.
01:27:03
You could run the ball when you need Thio.
01:27:05
That's why I love it.
01:27:06
I love it.
01:27:07
And Peter, by the way, just I had shown already your super chat given super chat bills Mafia If we need a week 17.
01:27:12
So I did throw that up there.
01:27:13
It was just in the middle of one of the other conversations with that.
01:27:17
We're gonna wrap this this this This, uh, this hype train up eso again? Just we're gonna go around the horn.
01:27:21
J.
01:27:22
Spence, Bruce, Joe J.
01:27:23
Spence.
01:27:24
Each of you tell me, uh, where we could find you, what your shows are and one final thought.
01:27:28
Whatever.
01:27:29
That Maybe it could be about absolutely anything.
01:27:31
Go ahead.
01:27:32
J.
01:27:33
Spence on Twitter and Instagram, you can find me at J.
01:27:35
Spence the king.
01:27:36
You confined my shoulder code of conduct on Buffalo Rumblings Podcast network on Tuesdays.
01:27:40
Uh, this past week we had Mark Maddox joining us.
01:27:44
The, um, past Buffalo Bills and Arizona Cardinal linebacker.
01:27:50
Yeah, it was a really good show.
01:27:52
If you didn't get a chance to catch it, you probably should.
01:27:54
Honestly, it was a good show.
01:27:55
Um, next week I got my man Rico being being a Teabing, joining me on a code of conduct.
01:28:01
And then the week following, I have, uh, the Buffalo Bills all time leading scorer and points.
01:28:07
Steve Christie joining me.
01:28:09
Z not bragging.
01:28:11
I'm telling people what to listen to, like Come, come, come.
01:28:13
You know, come kicking with me.
01:28:14
But no, it's gonna be a fun time.
01:28:16
We got We got some good stuff coming up.
01:28:18
And, uh, and then also on Sundays, you can catch the chop up with Mookie Hawkins and myself. Gotcha.
01:28:23
Any final final thoughts, anything final thought honest to God.
01:28:27
Just enjoy this Bills.
01:28:28
Fans were seven and three.
01:28:30
Like I get that, there's a lot to talk about.
01:28:32
There's a lot to break down and a lot that we want to be negative about.
01:28:35
When it comes to like, Oh my God, we can't run or Oh, my God, we do this or oh, my God, Listen, let's just enjoy this, right, man, When is the last time you really can think of a time that these games matter to you like that? Not just matter, because you love the team, but they mattered because the winds and losses really matter at this point in the season like this.
01:28:53
Even with the looming Dolphins, is there anything better than Bills? Dolphins rivalry? And do this? Bruce, Give me what you got.
01:29:00
My name is Bruce Nolan.
01:29:01
You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Bruce Exclusive.
01:29:04
I am the host of the Bruce Exclusive Podcast, which drops on the Buffalo Rumblings Podcast Network Thursdays.
01:29:10
and Fridays.
01:29:12
I don't have any of the good guests. Literally.
01:29:14
None of the people that J spends just talked about are gonna talk about May like that's That's never You are never going to get that kind of awesome content for me.
01:29:21
So I'm just I apologize ahead of time.
01:29:24
I'm doing whatever the opposite of bragging is at this point.
01:29:27
But I do have a final thought.
01:29:29
It's a fortune cookie thought for you all.
01:29:31
And you know, I know that things, uh, you know, New York is going toe orange as far as the co vid protocols go, and things are getting shut down and people are feeling pretty bad.
01:29:41
And I have a fortune cookie thought for you.
01:29:44
And my grandfather told me this one time a long time ago.
01:29:46
He said, You know, if you feel like dirt, maybe there's something growing inside you.
01:29:50
So I just wanna offer you guys a little bit of encouragement and tell you that I'm thinking about you and that I hope that your, uh, I hope that your your spirits are lifted.
01:30:01
We are bills, Mafia.
01:30:02
Joe Marino.
01:30:04
Joe Marino is my name at the Joe Marino is my Twitter handle.
01:30:07
Host the lock down bills podcast daily podcast on the Buffalo grind You are.
01:30:13
They change your name to the grind, man.
01:30:16
Well, Mike, you can't do that because Kyle Crabs co host, draft podcast with crabs and he's grinding the table.
01:30:23
So can't do that, but I love it.
01:30:26
Obviously, um, he's got football team here with the Buffalo Bills team.
01:30:30
And remember, I think that there's only three people that are exceeding expectations.
01:30:35
Digs Allen and Darryl Williams.
01:30:36
Your employer's playing great, but he's always playing great.
01:30:38
He's meeting expectations.
01:30:39
Uh, if I were to leave you with any thought, I would just say be nice to people.
01:30:43
Super good, Super good.
01:30:44
Ladies and gentlemen, you have been watching the Humpty Hotline on the Buffalo Fanatics Multi Cast Network.
01:30:49
I am your host, Joe Miller.
01:30:50
You could find me on Twitter at Joe Miller wire.
01:30:52
That is my host, as always, J.
01:30:55
Spencer King.
01:30:56
And as he said, you could find him at on Twitter at J. Spencer King.
01:30:59
Super Super Special.
01:31:01
Amazing.
01:31:02
Thank you, Thio, Joe Marino and Bruce Nolan for joining us.
01:31:05
What a fun time this was.
01:31:07
So that was pretty well your final, but you can't not.
01:31:11
You can't have us have a thought and you not have a thought.
01:31:13
My final thought is this.
01:31:15
I don't I don't think there's a doubt in the world that the Buffalo Bills we're still gonna win the A F C East.
01:31:19
I think that as much of a za believer and Sean McDermott or I am in him.
01:31:24
And I believe that who he is as a man and the leadership qualities as everybody here probably knows.
01:31:30
I'm a big student and a fan of leadership, And, uh, he is the right man for the job, and in my opinion, he will have these guys fine tuned.
01:31:37
I put in my show on Monday that this, to me, is an inflection point.
01:31:40
This game in this bye week and the Bills could come out either not trusting each other anymore and completely implode.
01:31:46
Or they can come out and they could literally This could be a launching point into whatever that next step is.
01:31:51
I firmly believe that this defense is finding itself.
01:31:54
I firmly believe that Josh Jonah still progressing, and we still haven't seen his ceiling yet, and I think that they're gonna get this run to Joe Marino's point.
01:32:01
They're gonna put the best five out there, which we all know who that best five is on.
01:32:04
Once they do that, I think that they're gonna make some noise in the playoffs.
01:32:07
And that would be my final thought.
01:32:09
So if that makes me delusional Bills fan, I am.
01:32:12
He so that work that works.
01:32:15
I appreciate your take their or your final product.
01:32:17
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you guys for joining us.
01:32:20
My name is Joe Miller.
01:32:21
J. Spencer King.
01:32:22
Bruce Nolan.
01:32:23
Joe Marino. Go Bills everybody round the horn. Go bills.
01:32:25
Go Bills catch you next time.
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00:00:33
Yeah.
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Who is next? We are next.
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Welcome into the Humpty Hotline.
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Everybody on the Buffalo Fanatics.
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Multicast Network.
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I am your host, Joe Miller.
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You can find me on Twitter at Joe Miller Wired.
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I'm joined with my co host, as always, the beautiful J.
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Spence, the King.
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Welcome to Shojaei Spence on.
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Do we have to amazingly special guests.
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One is animated.
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That would be Joe Marino to your bottom left, and one is in a still form, which is Bruce Exclusive.
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Bruce Nolan on your bottom, Right.
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What's up, gentlemen? How you doing tonight, Joe? Doing the guys.
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Thanks for having me looking forward to this.
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And, um, you know, a lot of good stuff to get into tonight, so thanks for having me, Bruce.
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How you feeling? Okay.
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First off, I'm plenty animated.
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Okay? You just can't see it being animated.
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Eso I don't appreciate the connotation.
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We're getting off to a start here, Joe.
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I don't I don't I don't.
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You know what? Where's my leave? Studio button is the Red X one.
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Is that the one how I will bring you back? I have the power to pull you back.
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Then ask expense.
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I've done it before.
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E thought I was out.
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They pull me right back in.
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That's amazing.
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So welcome, gentlemen.
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Welcome.
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Ladies and gentlemen, everybody watching Bill's Mafia.
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Welcome into this show.
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We're gonna have some good conversation.
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This is not gonna be what I want to say.
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Surface.
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See conversation.
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We're gonna try to dive into some really things.
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Some stuff has come out.
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Uh, Sean McDermott has has has has said some things that has kind of confirmed what all of us in bills, Mafia and those of us that are content creators have have kind of felt and believed for a long time.
00:02:17
But before we do that, why don't we start here, Spence? What do your snapshot feelings with the bill sitting at seven and three, having lost on the play the way that they did versus sitting at eight and two with another Josh Allen come back in fourth quarter fashion.
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I'm fine.
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Like Sunday.
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Sunday evening.
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Obviously, I needed to kinda react e had to go through my process, but not of that, that I've reacted.
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And now that I've, you know, kind of had a night to sleep because the next day I was fine.
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Um, obviously, nobody wants to see your team lose the way that we lost Sunday.
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It was just not a play that you want to be on the other side of, you know? So But the thing is, listen, losing that game did nothing for our standings like it didn't make us lose anything.
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We didn't gain anything.
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It literally was a game that you felt like we could have and should have won.
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It took a miracle in the sense for them to win it.
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We didn't do it.
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We have still everything in front of us were still first in the division.
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We still have our you know, we can control our destiny as far as beating the Jets and the Patriots to control.
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You know what happens in the division? We still have, you know, a couple games coming up that we feel like we should win.
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So, you know, at this 0.
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73 if you would've told me back in July like, hey, after 10 games before our bye week going into the bye, we're gonna be seven and three.
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I think 99% of Buffalo would have taken it.
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Agreed? Agreed.
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Joe, what you're thinking? How you feeling? After all this? I think the hard part of digesting the loss was the shift.
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Right? You're watching this football game.
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You never really think that the Bills, they're playing great.
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Suddenly they're winning 23 to 9.
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The leads gone, and then Josh Allen has the game winning drive 78 yards over three minutes, 21 yard touchdown pass.
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The Stefon Diggs, your guys the story, right? The quarterback that you have, he's the guy.
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That's the M V p.
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The receiver that you traded for Stefon Diggs.
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That's the guy that caught the game winner.
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And then, boom, the rug is pulled right out from underneath your feet.
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And that's what I think.
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The hall from me with that shifting narrative when you thought you stole one and you feel really good and you ate, who is in your hands.
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It's pulled right out from underneath you.
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I mean, the good thing is that both sides of the coin were pretty good.
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18 to right.
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We all want that. That's wonderful.
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Seven threes.
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Not bad.
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We were all taken like Jason before the season.
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You said seven and three out of the by.
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Every single person would have taken it.
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But, um, now we gotta deal with it for two weeks, right? And get ready to play the Charger.
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But I think that the shift, how quickly it shifted it is what made it kind of tough.
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That's what kind of took the the breath out of me for a moment there.
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Yeah, Bruce, you get the opportunity, the luxury, if if you will, of having a couple more days to process before you react.
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And I know that just gives you more opportunity, ample opportunity to check tape, uh, then than myself, Joe Marino and and J. Spence.
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But how are you feeling? How is this lost treating you at this point? I feel fine about it.
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I think that seven and three was like J.
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Spent said, annoy ideal situation for this team to be in after 10 games.
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I think the method by which they acquired seven and three requires some recalibration by bills Mafia because I think that a lot of us were expecting seven and three.
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Our defense continues qualitatively toe look the way that they looked on the field.
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We know what to expect from this high level Buffalo Bills defense and maybe we can get a slight step forward from the offense instead, we got a completely different looking team in 2000 and 20.
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Then we got in 2000 and 19 were throwing the ball all over the place.
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Our running game can can Anything going? Our defense is all over the place and they come out the first four weeks and we look like we got a winner shootouts the entire freaking year.
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So I think that because of them, it's not so much the seven and three that kind of got us a little jarred.
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It's the recalibration of our expectations of what this team is supposed to look like, not just what the W and L are supposed to look like, but what qualitatively it's supposed to look like on the field.
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We think we're going to see a certain thing.
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And we've seen none of that so far this year.
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So we have to say, Okay, I understand that.
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It doesn't look the way I thought it was gonna look.
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And I need to kind of get used to the new normal for Buffalo Bills, but seven and three.
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Still good, regardless of if we got there the way I thought we were gonna get there versus the way we did, Yeah, Super good.
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And I wanted to delay the introduction.
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So I did that on purpose, just in case anyone, because I wanted people to get into the room.
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All of you guys, his feelings resonate with me, and I feel I feel this.
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I feel akin to Joe Marino.
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And it's funny because Joe, Joe Marino and I talked.
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Joe and I talked back and forth a lot of times because we a lot of times we kind of captured very similar emotions.
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We just kind of come from it.
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We noticed the similar things, and that's what it felt for me.
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I kind of resonated where Joe was.
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It was like I was resolved.
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It was like, Okay, Josh hasn't played great.
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The defense is not playing great.
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We gave up, you know, Whatever.
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They gave up 17 unanswered points and nine minutes, which is typical of the third quarter, and it is what it is.
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We're gonna lose this game.
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I'm okay with it.
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Right? Because I didn't have great expectations.
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High expectations that Josh with 3.
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5 minutes left was going to do what Josh Allen does.
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And then he did it.
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And I was like, and I was stunned.
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And it was like, in my mind, I'm rewriting my entire pod script.
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Like in my head.
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It was like, this is gonna be completely different than what I thought it was going to be.
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And then 34 seconds later, uh, you know, we obviously ended up in in in soul crushing under disbelief Land.
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But let's do this.
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Let's take just a quick second to go around the horn.
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We're gonna go in reverse fashion.
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So we're gonna go Bruce, Joe, and then J spends the king.
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Uh, do me a favor, gentlemen.
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Just introduce yourselves.
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If you can tell me where you're from, what you do and what network you're on, if you can go ahead Bruce.
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I am the handsome gentleman in the bottom right hand corner.
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My name is Bruce Nolan.
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You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Bruce Exclusive.
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I am the host off the Bruce Exclusive, which is a podcast on the Buffalo Rumblings Podcast Network that you can find every Thursday and Friday mornings wherever you are currently listening to this podcast, if you are indeed listening to it in audio form.
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Awesome. Joe Joe Marino.
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Um, follow me on Twitter at the Joe Marino I host the lock Down bills podcasts daily covering the Buffalo Bills.
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I also work for the draft network dot com And so, uh, draft Buffalo Bills.
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It's kind of my wheelhouse.
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So that's That's me.
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It's what I dio awesome.
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J. Spence.
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Let's go.
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You know it's J spends the King.
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You can find me on the Buffalo Rumblings Network.
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I, uh, the code of conduct comes out on Tuesdays and then on Sundays.
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I also do, uh, the chop up with Mookie Hawkins.
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The Buffalo Bills beat reporter for W F o awesome stuff, and I am Joe Miller.
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I'm the voice of the overreaction podcast, which you can find on Monday mornings on the Buffalo Fanatics Network, and you can find me on Twitter at Joe Miller, wired as always.
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And for those of you that are new to this, if you've never been on with us, you have the opportunity to be a part of the show, and we want you to interact, comment, chat and give us questions when the time is appropriate.
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Here's the thing with the amount of people we have on the show, it's gonna be difficult for me to get to all the questions and comments.
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So if I don't get to your question or comment, I apologize ahead of time.
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Here's what you could do.
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Jump over to YouTube.
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If you super chat it, it's going to come up and highlighted form.
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It's going to get my attention, and I promise you guarantee you that you're Super Chat will get red comment.
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Question.
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Whatever it is, do us a favor.
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As always, as Justin just said, Jump on that like button hump that like, but let's get into Buffalo Bills talk here on the Humpty Hotline this fine Buffalo bills by week edition.
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So, Joe Marino, this is what I want to talk about with you real quick.
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You and I'm okay with getting kind of some feelings from from the rest of the guys if you have them.
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It was a coaches decision to not play Mitch Morris in this football game.
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And by the way, I saw Mitch Morse at for lunch last year at the Public House on the lake.
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It's a big old boy like that.
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That dude is like 6 ft 6.5.
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That's a whole lot of man right there.
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But it was the coach's decision not to play him.
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Uh, we're guessing to give him an extra two weeks to recover.
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Looking back, do you think that was the right decision? I'm comfortable with the decision.
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I think it's hard to say it was the right decision now that we have the benefit of knowing that the Bills lost the game and they didn't run the football effectively against ah defense.
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That was giving up the eighth most amount of yards per rush in the NFL.
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So I think when you have the benefit of hindsight, which Bruce, no.
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One could give you all kinds of philosophical, uh, information about what's supposed to happen with decision making and how we should great decisions.
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Um, yeah, it's easy to say that much more should have played the football game.
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This was something I think we were all satisfied with in the moment.
00:11:02
Well, Mitch Morsi has 505 do***ented discussions so far or concussion so far for his NFL career, and there's no reason to rush him back.
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The previous into your offensive line trio Feliciano at center, Winters at right guard and ICB Ocher at left guard has been okay.
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There's some momentum there.
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We'll see you for the Chargers game to get the extra week with the by.
00:11:24
Well, Sean McDermott kind of fumbled his press conference when he was asked about this and made it like it was.
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Well, he said it was a coaches decision and coaches decision. We know what that means.
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He was best.
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And so there was some really tense moments in that press conference.
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I was, like, uncomfortable.
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I thought I was watching an episode of the office.
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You know, that's that's what I love about the office because you get uncomfortable.
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You're like, Oh, man, I don't know what's gonna happen here.
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You feel this and and coach McDermott.
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You could tell he wasn't real happy with how he answered the question.
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And then, of course, reporters did what they're supposed to do and ask good follow up questions.
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Enforce the issue.
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And so all of a sudden, you know Coach McDermott saying, Well, he was a coaches decision and the lineups are week to week.
00:12:06
And, um, you know, all of a sudden you're wondering if the highest paid center in the NFL has been benched, so I understand there's a lot of confusion for me.
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The simplest explanation here is that they wanted to give him an extra week, given the history of concussions, given the bye week, given the momentum of that interior trio.
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But now we're left with a lot of questions about the situation, and I gotta be honest.
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I bet you Sean McDermott is just fine with that.
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Nobody knowing who his starters.
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They're gonna be the charges having to think about this.
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Whether it's the smallest amount of competitive advantage, it's coachman term.
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It's probably fine with it.
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So I think we're going to see Mitch Morrison center when the Bills take the field offensively against the Chargers.
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But I understand the questions and why this is a a point of discussion, Bruce.
00:12:50
Clearly clearly that offensive line did not play the way that we assume that it would had had Mitch played center and Feliciana Bennett, right? Guard thoughts.
00:13:00
Same same question.
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Like, was it a mistake to not play him to give him that extra week arrest while extra two weeks arrest? I think that when I watched the offensive lull that happened in the third quarter and into the fourth of the Bills Cardinals games, you did see some protection confusion that Mitch Morse could have potentially helped with.
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But, like Joe said at the time, you might not have thought that that was gonna be the case.
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Vance Joseph is not known as being an overly effective defensive coordinator.
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The Cardinals defense has not been overly effective so far this year.
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It's not a scenario where you thought, Gosh, if we don't have much Morse, then this whole thing is gonna go downhill and really, Sean McDermott said three things when he was talking about this, you know, he said, flat out that it well, he was healthy enough to play that it was a coaches decision and that he wasn't being benched.
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And the issue that we have is that we have a hard time marrying those three things together.
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We can't as a fan base say, Well, hold on.
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All three of these things can't be true simultaneously.
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It cannot simultaneously be a coaches decision, also not being benched.
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Also, he's healthy enough to play.
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Those three things can happen, so we're trying to wrap our head around it when reality Sean McDermott, I don't think gives a rat's rump that we don't care about that.
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I don't think he cares that were like, Well, hold, hold, Hold on now, Sean.
00:14:21
Well, what happened? He's just, you know, dropping a stick of dynamite in the room and then walking out, waving and going.
00:14:25
Guys have fun.
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You know, I don't think it really matters to him all that much.
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So because of that, I think that there is a There is a way for those three things to be correct simultaneously, and the way that those three things could be correct simultaneously is exactly what Joe said.
00:14:41
And that is, let's just take another week off.
00:14:43
You can simultaneously be healthy enough to play and have a coach decide to not play you like those things can coexist together.
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So, yes, he's healthy enough to play.
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But I'm going to be on the we've.
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We've been used to this term now, because of the covert world we live in out of an abundance of caution, say it with me.
00:15:02
Got out of an abundance of caution.
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We've seen this a million times, right? Well, it's no different than what Sean McDermott did out of an abundance of caution.
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We're gonna sit Mitch Morse.
00:15:11
Well, Technically, he's healthy enough to play, which is why he dressed so much.
00:15:15
Miss Morse is healthy enough to play, and Sean McDermott can't say otherwise.
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He can't say he wasn't healthy enough to play because then the question is, Well, why is he dressed? So yes, he's healthy enough to play, but it doesn't hurt to have him sit another week.
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Now, if you're seeing him another week out of the abundance of caution, then he's not being benched.
00:15:34
That's that's the way that those three things can simultaneously be all the same at the same time, right? That's the only possible explanation where all three things are true, and that is, yes, he's healthy enough to play.
00:15:47
I hope I don't have to.
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We're gonna dress him in the event we have an emergency because I definitely don't wanna have Ryan Bates come in instead of Mitch Morse.
00:15:56
If John Feliciano goes down at center, that's that.
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That's not something I'm interested in.
00:16:00
And I know that because I had Ryan Bates a center, and I chose to take him out and to put John Feliciano in.
00:16:05
The Bills already said they preferred Feliciano debates there.
00:16:08
So this this could all make sense with Mitch Morse.
00:16:11
And I think that just marrying those three statements by Sean McDermott is how we do it.
00:16:14
Yeah, we've seen it before.
00:16:15
We've seen this.
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Coaching staffs, particularly Sean McDermott, take the take the precautionary route with guys, even this season, where they have been like, You know what? We've got a relatively weak Dolphins team coming in.
00:16:26
We're gonna go ahead and sit Milano and Edmunds one more week, even though they could possibly play just to get them that one extra weeks of rest or one of her one extra week of rest.
00:16:36
However, the hand grenade upon the hand grenade that sits inside of this conversation is the fact of when he said, It's going to be a week to week decision.
00:16:46
So here's my question.
00:16:47
J.
00:16:48
Spence and this is interesting because we're living in a space where we don't believe as Bills Mafia for one second and content creators that this is an all star cast.
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In my opinion, in this room right now, we don't believe for a second that that that Sean McDermott somehow is playing this game where, like Mitch Morse doesn't start like that.
00:17:04
That world doesn't exist that Mitch Morse isn't gonna play football on this offensive line.
00:17:08
And, oh, by the way, if the Bills cut him next year, they're going to save $5 million on the cap.
00:17:13
However, you're talking about the same coaching staff that walked Quinton Spain out the door to keep Brian winners in the freaking lineup.
00:17:21
So where you at on that Spence like? Is this something to be worried about or to? Joe's point is more playing.
00:17:28
When we play the charges, he's the starting center.
00:17:30
I'm on Joe side with it, like the way I see it is that, like you said, mentioned earlier as fans.
00:17:35
Obviously, we can't put these things together like Bruce said.
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It just doesn't make sense that he's healthy.
00:17:40
He dressed, but he didn't play in.
00:17:41
The coach decided to not play him, so he's benched.
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But know what it is is.
00:17:46
I think it's just a no overreaction of a fan base at this point.
00:17:49
Um, I really think that, you know, for us to not play if you're gonna put the best combination of guys on the offensive line out there, there's no way that Sean McDermott puts somebody else other than Morris out there in that comment.
00:18:03
You know what I mean? Like, he's in one of those combinations.
00:18:05
He's the best five Morris is playing, so I just think it's an overreaction.
00:18:09
I think that, you know, there should be some caution, you know.
00:18:15
So next year I don't think it's a conversation where we're thinking that we're gonna cut him or get rid of them and say, $5 million like you mentioned.
00:18:21
If anything, I think the conversation over the off season might be for health reasons.
00:18:26
Should he consider retirement.
00:18:27
That's a different conversation, but as far as him playing No, I agree with Joe. I agree with Bruce.
00:18:33
I think that, you know, they just said, You know what? We'll give you an extra week If something goes bad, it's 2020.
00:18:38
Everything goes bad.
00:18:40
So if something goes bad, then we'll put you back in instead of, you know, bringing in whoever that we have.
00:18:46
That's a string guy, you know.
00:18:48
So, yeah, he was there and available, but I think they wanted to give him that time.
00:18:53
Not you and me.
00:18:54
We don't go bad, Spence. You mean well, right as rain bro.
00:18:56
Way right.
00:18:57
It's right way Some of these places, romantic music up in this House.
00:19:02
Joe Marino question for you.
00:19:04
McDermott said this week that they're going to take a deep dive, which is interesting to me, because I don't think it's rocket science.
00:19:10
I'm not the smartest guy in this room like there's two guys, three guys, way smarter than me.
00:19:14
But McDermott has said this week that they're gonna take a deep dive into the run game this bye week to discover what the issue is, and I how's the question this way? What's it gonna take for this run game to get these guards playing right, because to me it's a guard issue.
00:19:30
What's it gonna take? Is it just the right combination of guys or is it scheme? Is it? Give it to me, brother, like, what is going on with this With this run game? I think the first thing I want to say is that I'm not interested in MAWR runs.
00:19:43
I'm just interested in more effective runs.
00:19:45
I like the bill script.
00:19:47
It's a winning script, but when they need to run the football, they need to be able to run the football.
00:19:51
And I don't think they're doing that well enough right now.
00:19:54
Um, first thing I'd say is I'm very excited to see the Bills preferred offensive line for the first time all year.
00:20:00
We haven't seen it right.
00:20:01
We haven't seen that middle three of Morse, Feliciano and Ford, right? We could see that against the Chargers, so that should provide a little bit of a bump.
00:20:10
And we saw just how Feliciano back in the lineup would create that type of a bump.
00:20:15
So I think getting your preferred guys in they're gonna help think there's design issues.
00:20:19
Be interested to see if Bruce would agree with me, or I think the bills are very willing to have unblocked guys on the edge and allow the the offensive tackles and tight ends will climb to the second level without really securing the first level with consistency.
00:20:36
And when you don't have speed at running back, that causes a problem, Right? So we know that the Bill Zack Moss, Devin Singletary they're not guys that have much foot fire.
00:20:44
They're not gonna really challenge the perimeter there between the tackles guys.
00:20:48
Well, if you're not doing a good job of making sure that those those lanes air wide enough, particularly on the outside, those guys can collapse quick and you don't have the foot speed to get going.
00:20:57
Um, the other thing that I want to say here is that, like Singletary and Moss have to be better.
00:21:02
I got into this a little bit of my pod today about last year Devin Singletary, 5.
00:21:06
1 yards per carry that I, Derrick Henry for the most yards per carry in the NFL among qualifying players.
00:21:12
And what I really built down Teoh is Devin Singletary feasted on like boxes.
00:21:17
Ah, like Onley 3.
00:21:18
5% of his rushes last year came against boxes that include eight or more defenders.
00:21:24
That was like the lowest in the NFL.
00:21:26
And so he feasted on light boxes all year long, meanwhile, were very critical of Frank Gore and how ineffective he was.
00:21:32
But because he played the role that he did, it opened up opportunities for Devin Singletary to go up against lighter boxes.
00:21:40
Zach Moss is not replacing Frank Gore to the same caliber of play.
00:21:44
I know that sounds really weird, and Zach Moss deserves the benefit of the doubt because he's a rookie and he started off with it with a turf toe injury that set him back.
00:21:51
And we've seen some flashes, but he hasn't taken away some of those carries from Devin Singletary, which I think opens up the run game in totality.
00:22:00
So you've got design issues, you have blocking issues, you have slow running running backs and you have health issues.
00:22:06
There's reason to believe that this is going to get better and hopefully that's a big point of emphasis.
00:22:10
Again, I don't want more runs.
00:22:12
I don't care about more runs.
00:22:13
I just wanted to be more effective and as we get later into the season, December football cold outside.
00:22:19
Maybe some elements hoping to play home games in Buffalo better be able to run it a little bit better than you have, which you got Bruce.
00:22:27
I think that what I noticed when I was going through some film on this is that, you know, when you ask players like Brian Winters to run outside zone and you run towards him and he has to get in front off a defensive tackle and hold that for a long time or you ask him on the back side to cut and you ask a running back like Devin Singletary, who doesn't have the foot speed to be able to get out on the edge and make a decision quickly.
00:22:53
You are inviting that backside defender to come make a plane crash down, and that happens all the time against the Bills.
00:22:59
If you're gonna do that, you need to use Isaiah Mackenzie to hold that back side linebacker.
00:23:03
We saw one of the most effective run plays that wasn't was actually during that offensive low in the third quarter.
00:23:11
They actually used Cole Beasley in orbit motion toe.
00:23:14
Hold the backside defender to keep that person from crashing down on outside zone.
00:23:18
And that's a good idea.
00:23:20
And it would have been awesome had Brian Winters not screwed it up, so it was going to be a reasonable play.
00:23:25
But in this case, you have tow.
00:23:28
Have Isaiah McKenzie.
00:23:29
You have to have Cole Beasley.
00:23:30
You have to have something there to give Devin Singletary or Zach Moss or whoever.
00:23:35
It is time if you're gonna run outside zone to be able to see it and make it happen.
00:23:41
One of the best runs of the game against the Cardinals was Zach Moss on outside zone.
00:23:46
So it's not like it can't be done.
00:23:48
It just needs to be accommodated for for two things.
00:23:51
Number one.
00:23:52
If you run toward Brian Winters, he may not be able to hold it.
00:23:55
And if you run away from Brian Winters, he you might cut on the back side.
00:23:59
He did a good job there a couple times, but either way, you need to use something to hold that back side defender because you don't have guards on the front side who could hold up.
00:24:06
And if you go backside with him.
00:24:09
You're still in danger of somebody crashing down.
00:24:11
So I think you just have to make accommodations for what you have.
00:24:15
And I think schematically I'd like to see a little bit more of that from Brian Dales.
00:24:20
Specifically, I really I liked the orbit motion.
00:24:22
It worked.
00:24:23
And if the front side guard in this case, Brian Winters, when he was running that direction, if it would have gone the way I wanted it, Thio and he would have gotten in front of Angelo Black son, then that would have been a good run, play and toss up for the group and, interestingly enough, because we saw Twitter light up.
00:24:42
And I know all of us are on Twitter during the game, some of us at different times.
00:24:45
And like it's funny because how even the content creators as it pertains to bills, Mafia and podcasts and whatnot like we're on a different times and like we flow differently.
00:24:54
But there was a moment in the third quarter where, in the fourth quarter, where, like bills, mafia was like abandoned run.
00:25:00
Stop trying to run the ball, and for me, the bills, I think table was calling those run plays because they wanted to, and this was a John FINA point they wanted to get.
00:25:09
They wanted to pull.
00:25:11
They wanted to suck that defense back up.
00:25:13
But the problem is this.
00:25:14
Josh Allen does not want to throw the 20 to 20 to four yard pass place to Beasley, who even Digs has said the dude is always open.
00:25:24
Defense is now know if there's an under over thing or ah, short, high whatever.
00:25:28
Like scheme.
00:25:30
Allen's going 10 to 15.
00:25:31
He's not going under.
00:25:33
So toss up.
00:25:34
Question.
00:25:35
What's it gonna take to get Alan? He said at the beginning of the season, I'm not gonna be Captain Checkdown, but I'm gonna take what the defense has given me early.
00:25:43
He waas Now he's not.
00:25:45
What's it gonna take to get him in a position where he's doing that, which to me effectively will open up that run game and make it effective? Like Joe Marino says, That's kind of a toss up.
00:25:53
Somebody give me some ideas.
00:25:55
What's it gonna take to get Josh Allen to start taking what the defense is giving versus trying to force the ball downfield or press the press, The defense.
00:26:06
We'll jump in.
00:26:07
I was trying to let our guests kind of have the floor, but I wanted to say something.
00:26:11
Did you have? Did you have something, Joe? Go, Spencer, I wanted I felt weird because I went first in the last two, so I was kind of giving someone else a chance.
00:26:18
You got something? Go for it, man.
00:26:20
No, no, I won't hear from you. Okay.
00:26:22
All right.
00:26:24
Well, I guess the way I see it, I think that and I know he's not doing what he was doing in the early games as faras.
00:26:32
Like looking for those throws.
00:26:34
But I think the thing is, I think there's a confidence that has started to grow with our offense.
00:26:40
That granted, we do need those short passes like we need those.
00:26:44
But I think Josh, now he's We've had so much success, um, moving the ball down the field when he throws it.
00:26:51
Regardless of what besides the third quarter, apparently, um, you know, we just have We just have success.
00:26:57
So now he walks out there and it's like, Look, I got digs.
00:27:00
I got John Brown.
00:27:01
I got Aiken you know these guys are gonna be open.
00:27:03
I'll get first down on 3rd and 17.
00:27:06
It doesn't matter.
00:27:07
So I think that confidence and that, like seeing what's happened throughout the season like I don't I don't remember who said it early on.
00:27:14
I think it's Bruce.
00:27:15
We have a completely different offense than we looked at last year, like most of the same players, but a completely different offense.
00:27:22
We couldn't throw the ball worth anything.
00:27:23
And now, like it's like, Dude, we're top.
00:27:26
We have the number one number one receiving.
00:27:30
Like our receiver we have our number one receiver is the best receiver in the league.
00:27:35
As of right now, that's right.
00:27:36
Now that's insane to me, Wildest dreams land.
00:27:38
I've said it 100 times.
00:27:39
We're living in wildest dreams land with this offense.
00:27:42
So while I'm saying I agree that we need to do those things were also seven and three could have and should have been eight into.
00:27:49
Our defense is starting to play better.
00:27:51
I'm not the guy to sit here and complain about stuff and I like look, we don't have the short throws the way we had him in the first couple of weeks, and we're not running the ball as well as we should once once our offensive line gets better, like we just talked about.
00:28:04
And then once you know certain things when people healthy man, I'm not complaining about anything.
00:28:08
Keep doing what we're doing.
00:28:09
We're seven and three for the first time in forever.
00:28:12
Let's get this done.
00:28:13
Yeah, Joe, I'll be honest with you.
00:28:16
I have a hard time poking holes in in Josh Allen and in the way he's playing the game, was he? I think he's fifth in the NFL when it comes to yards per per game passing.
00:28:25
I mean, the production in the passing game has been exceeded my wildest dreams this year.
00:28:30
I know he leads the league in total passing, but obviously there's some guys that need to play 10 games, and Josh already has.
00:28:35
So I think the passing production has been really outstanding and so um, I'm comfortable with his approach and what he's doing and how he's attacking defense is.
00:28:44
I mean, there's some evolution that needs to happen there and their steps that he can take.
00:28:48
But from an output I have a hard time with with really coming to hard at Josh and saying, Well, I wish you throw it short more.
00:28:55
I mean, you're completing what north of 65% of his passes, 287 yards a game and touchdown productions, their scoring productions there.
00:29:04
So, um, I kind of want Josh to just keep what he's doing, doing what he's doing.
00:29:08
Learn? Obviously, there's different types of defense is he has to attack better, But no, it's great.
00:29:13
And I want to ask you this question.
00:29:14
Jo Josh Allen was 285 yards, two touchdowns, two interceptions Sunday in a loss with a potential game winning drive without, I mean, it was nearly a walk off game winning drive.
00:29:25
We have found Josh Allen's floor, in my opinion, like so this to me was a bad, and it's funny cause I got I said in a bad game, you're talking about a quarterback that, like, did this still and it's gonna get lost.
00:29:35
And people were like mad at me that I said he had a bad game like this to me, was a bad game for Josh Allen.
00:29:40
What else do you need to see from him.
00:29:42
What else do you need to see from Josh Allen to make him the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills for the next 10 years? We're talking another Patrick Mahomes.
00:29:48
Half a billion dollar contract.
00:29:51
Oh, half a billion dollar contract.
00:29:53
So I think you might be a little bit.
00:29:55
I'm not putting in that range.
00:29:57
But I'll tell you this.
00:29:58
I mean, what what do you want? What do you want? I mean, Josh Allen has has been one of the best five or eight quarterbacks in the NFL this year that you have it.
00:30:07
He's here.
00:30:08
He's here.
00:30:09
This is him.
00:30:10
He's playing at that type of level S O.
00:30:12
I mean, unless you're just not satisfied for anything other than Patrick Mahomes.
00:30:16
I don't know what to tell you.
00:30:18
I mean, obviously we wish the sample size was bigger, but it's growing or 10 games into this thing, and we think he had a bad game on Sunday.
00:30:25
And I think you're right, Joe.
00:30:27
I mean that the Seattle performance gave us, um, some evidence that the first four games of the season we're a little bit mawr of what he is regularly going to do.
00:30:38
So his arrow has been pointing up.
00:30:40
He's continued to answer questions outside of like opportunities that haven't come his way yet that are about to be here in terms of winning in the playoffs.
00:30:53
Unless you're not satisfied with anything other than the homes, you should be pretty **** happy with Josh Allen and be ready to commit to him.
00:30:59
Bruce, are you happy? Absolutely.
00:31:02
I'm happy.
00:31:03
I think that excellence is a measure of how well you do something multiplied by how long you do it.
00:31:07
And so at this point, the only thing that matters with Josh Allen is time.
00:31:12
That's it.
00:31:13
Because if he was this good, right, you never got any better than this.
00:31:17
This is it.
00:31:18
This is as good as Josh.
00:31:19
How is ever gonna bit? But you knew you got this level of quarterback play for the next decade.
00:31:23
Would you sign up for it? I would.
00:31:25
I would sign up for this, this level of quarterback play for the next decade.
00:31:29
So at this point, it's not a matter of checking the box.
00:31:32
Can he hit this peak? He's already hit that peak.
00:31:35
Now there are still questions to be answered, but most of them revolve around time.
00:31:40
It's simply a matter of time.
00:31:42
And so with Josh Allen, it's not.
00:31:46
Is he good enough? It's.
00:31:47
Can he stay this level of good? Obviously, there's a you know there's a parallel universe out there with Josh on completely collapses.
00:31:54
Right then.
00:31:55
We have a different discussion, right? But the fact the matter is, if he stays this good at this point, I don't need to see certain things from Josh Allen that I haven't seen before.
00:32:05
I just need Time.
00:32:07
E just need sample size because at this point we're in the middle of what I would call Josh Allen's first really, really good year.
00:32:15
There's plenty people who would disagree with me and say the 2019 was a really, really good year for Josh Allen.
00:32:20
I would disagree with that.
00:32:21
I don't think that 2019 was a really, really good year for Josh, and I think he was a below average pastor in 2019 at a tremendous runner and that ended up kind of averaging out for him to be a okay.
00:32:31
He was okay.
00:32:32
And if all I got was 2019, Josh Allen then? Probably not.
00:32:36
But if all I gets 2020 Josh Allen, sign me up.
00:32:40
Good stuff. We have a super chat. We got our first e.
00:32:42
No, You're gonna say something, J Spencer, it was just is just refreshing.
00:32:45
Know that when you said would you sign up for the next 10 years? Collectively, everybody's like, Yes, Give it refreshing, but go forward.
00:32:53
I'm sorry.
00:32:54
Give it to me all day long.
00:32:55
Yeah, because I've I've lived through the last 20 years and a garbage quarterback that we all want to believe in. Fight over.
00:33:01
Uh, John DeFazio.
00:33:02
Welcome to the program.
00:33:03
Thank you for the super chat.
00:33:04
We need to go back to utilizing the jet sweeps to stretch the perimeter that will open up lanes between the tackles and provide better attack angles.
00:33:11
Also, we do a great we do great with run, pass option action of jet sweep.
00:33:15
Anybody want to take that? Do we need todo quick? Now? I agree with him.
00:33:19
But it's just funny to me, because early in the season, that's all we complained about and even going before the season started.
00:33:26
Why do we have to keep Mackenzie? We don't even have to do jet sweeps.
00:33:29
They already know we're doing them.
00:33:30
Get rid of Mackenzie.
00:33:31
Get rid of the jet sweeps.
00:33:32
We do them too much. Now.
00:33:34
We want the jet sweeps back.
00:33:35
I agree with him, though I'm not judging his comment.
00:33:37
It's just funny because you know, Bill's Mafia, we go in circles with what we want.
00:33:41
Anybody else.
00:33:43
I hate that it's necessary.
00:33:44
You know you have to do it, but it's because you have slow running backs.
00:33:49
This is what you have to do.
00:33:50
You have to commit players, too.
00:33:53
Manufacture space, toe hold people because your guys aren't quick enough to and through the hole.
00:33:59
And so to me, it's just speaks to a very incomplete backfield construction in terms of skill sets.
00:34:05
And um, yeah, you need to do it for your running game to be effective.
00:34:08
I hate that it's ineffective.
00:34:10
I want to bring up a stat here right now.
00:34:12
Among running backs in the NFL that have have ran the football at least 40 times this year, there's been 63 of those when it comes to yards after contact.
00:34:22
Zach Mosses, 39th, Devin Singletary is 29th.
00:34:25
These guys aren't getting anything Mawr than there, then that's being blocked for them.
00:34:29
They're not winning post contact.
00:34:31
And part of why is because they're taking on players head up because they can't get toe edges right.
00:34:38
They can't break pursuit angles and give themselves advantageous positions to take on contact because they're slow s So you, you're you're seeing some flaws here in the makeup in construction of these skill sets, based on how the bills want to run the football.
00:34:52
So, yeah, you better get McKinsey going because you're not manufacturing enough space to get a couple of high 46 40 yard dash running backs through holes that close really quick in the NFL.
00:35:02
Super good.
00:35:03
I think it's interesting to me that even with the Mackenzie stuff and like when we see it now and like Mackenzie gets like, scooped up right away on that jet sweep Bills mafias like Okay, we've seen enough of the jet sweep like they're waiting for it.
00:35:15
But what's funny about that is there waiting for it like it's a situation with this team right now that, like when they do it enough for what they do, it at least once in a game when when Alan fakes that jet sweep like the defense collapses on it because they're kind of being prepared because Mackenzie's got really speed and, like that's when, like that offense kind of starts clicking is when the defense is looking for that and when they don't feel like they have to look forward as much, they kind of back off. We got another super chat.
00:35:42
Scott Van Loo.
00:35:43
My man Scott is up in the house, uh, for the Super Chat.
00:35:46
I don't know if you guys suck first day, but Stephen A.
00:35:49
Smith, send send straight up there, said, I'm guessing that the Dolphins are going to win the rest of their games.
00:35:54
And when the A, f, C E and the A.
00:35:56
F C East and the rookie quarterback is gonna be the M v p.
00:35:59
I don't know if you guys suck first.
00:36:01
I don't know e.
00:36:02
I don't know if you saw first take, but e I'm hoping that's what it means.
00:36:09
God, I did not see.
00:36:10
I did not see First take.
00:36:11
We're going to get to that.
00:36:13
So Scott stick around because we're gonna talk here in a minute we're gonna transition Thio, the A F C East picture and the playoffs.
00:36:20
As far as that goes before we dio before we do.
00:36:23
J.
00:36:24
Spence Cole Beasley busted out for 11 catches on 13 targets, 109 yards and a touchdown.
00:36:30
As we talked about already.
00:36:31
He's always open.
00:36:32
Stefon Diggs.
00:36:33
He's always open.
00:36:34
Last year, he averaged the most yards per separation for any wide receiver in the league.
00:36:39
This year, I think is leading again.
00:36:40
The dude is open.
00:36:42
Are the Bills not using him enough? Uh, that's a tough question because, like when you have a couple games like he's had, like this past Sunday, he's had a couple of them now, Um, and it's one of those things where it's like you, obviously, when you use him in the right situations.
00:36:59
But like you said, he's always open.
00:37:02
I literally I feel like if Josh wanted to with the receivers that we had, he could literally throw the whole every play like he could literally throw to call every play.
00:37:11
He just doesn't do it.
00:37:12
So I mean, in that sense, when you're talking about somebody constantly being open, somebody who's very good at creating yards after the catch.
00:37:18
Somebody who's very good, like when you talk about that, the short answer to it is yes.
00:37:24
But the thing is, it's hard to say we're under utilizing him when you also have stuff on digs Brighton and we've been receiving yards.
00:37:30
You have John Brown, who last season was our number one receiver.
00:37:33
And so now he's into this to roll and he hasn't been as healthy as we would like him.
00:37:38
But he still had very good games.
00:37:40
A couple weeks ago, he had 99 yards, you know.
00:37:42
So so the thing is, yes, we probably are under utilizing Stefon Diggs and he's leading the league in yards.
00:37:48
It's just it's just the, you know, it's a gift and a curse at the same time, tohave an offense with these guys who are so talented.
00:37:56
So you know the short answer is yes.
00:37:59
But I think we're under utilizing all of our guys on offense.
00:38:01
Josh included eso Joe to that point.
00:38:04
You said you want to Seymour effective runs and it's become for a lot of since the since the greatest show on turf, it has kind of become you don't known that like teams that throw wide receiver screens, short wide receiver passes that that kind of the Patriots made a living on it like that.
00:38:21
Manufacturers runs right.
00:38:23
So I guess that's the same question I have for you.
00:38:25
Like, are the Bills? Can the Bills substitute that effective effectiveness you want to see in the ground? Can they have substitute that? Substitute that with Cole Beasley.
00:38:35
I think it's important for us to identify when we talk about Cole Beasley and his production from the slot.
00:38:40
He has the most receiving yards and receptions of any slot receiver in the NFL.
00:38:45
He has 600 you won receiving yards from slot X close to see Lamott, 5 57.
00:38:51
Tyler Boyd, 5 28.
00:38:53
You do Smith Schuster for 24.
00:38:55
Nobody else is about 400.
00:38:56
I mean, the Bills air getting the best production in the league of any slot receiver from Cole Beasley.
00:39:03
Oh, here's the thing.
00:39:04
I do simultaneously agree that there is more opportunity to get Cole Beasley involved in whatever.
00:39:10
Josh, does it feel like you see some really good efficiency in the passing game? And so I'm okay with with number one first of all, acknowledging that the bills are getting the best production from this lot of any player in the NFL from Kobe Easley and wanting Mawr.
00:39:26
I want to say something about Scott's super chat that that I think is really important if we can.
00:39:32
Um, Man, I spent a long time in my life being very, very frustrated with this type of conversation from people like Skip Bayless or Stephen A.
00:39:43
Smith or Colin Coward.
00:39:44
And then you get even more frustrated when you find out how much money these guys make.
00:39:48
You know what I mean? It will drive you nuts.
00:39:51
There's something that's really, really, really, really critical that I want everyone to hear.
00:39:55
Those guys are very different than what we're doing right.
00:39:58
If you listen to my podcast or Bruce or you guys were trying to give answers, we're trying to give reasons those guys aren't interested in that they're interested in advancing in advancing discussion, and the fact that that comes up in a super chat today is exactly what they want to do.
00:40:13
They don't care if they're right or wrong.
00:40:14
That's not their objective.
00:40:15
Their objective is to draw attention in advanced discussions.
00:40:19
So don't don't get caught up in the hot takes of the cowards and the Bayliss is and the Stephen A.
00:40:23
Smith's and Max Kellerman's.
00:40:26
All they want to do is create discussion.
00:40:28
You know, Joe, I actually said the other day when Joe and I joked, Miller and I did the other show.
00:40:33
I was saying like since I've started podcasting and it's not it's not like a vein thought.
00:40:38
I don't think that I'm, you know, any much better than anybody, but I've stopped watching a lot of the ESPN shows and FS one and all that stuff and that because that those guys are good.
00:40:49
They're getting paid to do what I'm doing out of the love of, you know, like I just love it.
00:40:52
The thing is, though, what you just said, it makes so much sense.
00:40:56
So what they do is they don't even watch this stuff that they're talking about.
00:40:59
They have guys or ladies who will give them quotes to say, or certain stats to push, and then they'll say it.
00:41:06
If you want Rheal content, that's talking about the teams that you love, whether your bills fan or not if there's somebody in here who isn't a Bills fan, even basketball, hockey, football, go to the go to the people who religiously watch this stuff and care about it.
00:41:22
Bruce had a chat.
00:41:23
The four of us have a chat earlier when we were talking about doing this show tonight and Bruce put this thing in there and I'm like, Yeah, it's very evident.
00:41:30
I need to quit podcasting because I'm nowhere near on the level that Bruce is.
00:41:34
But these are the type of guys you need to listen to, because when you have the questions about, well, why is it on third down that this always happens? Bruce is the guy that can tell you.
00:41:43
Well, it looks like this is what's happening, and this is why Joe Marino is the guy that can tell you that.
00:41:49
So you know nothing against Stephen A.
00:41:51
Smith and ESPN.
00:41:52
But if you want content, you want answers like Joe mentioned, and you want riel quality content.
00:42:00
Check these four guys out.
00:42:01
There's a ton of other guys on Buffalo fanatics.
00:42:03
There's some guys on Buffalo rumblings.
00:42:05
There's a ton of guys and a bunch of other networks that you can find some good quality content.
00:42:11
Had I had to give my rant. I'm sorry.
00:42:13
Ladies and gentlemen, you were watching the Humpty Hotline Special Humpty Hotline A bye week edition Mega Pod edition with myself.
00:42:20
Your host, Joe Miller.
00:42:21
You can find me on Twitter at Joe Miller Wired my co host, J.
00:42:24
Spencer King.
00:42:25
We had two special guest Joe Joe Marina from Locked on Bills podcast and Bruce Nolan from the Bruce Exclusive.
00:42:31
And this is the best segue because we're going to transition to, uh, the playoff picture.
00:42:36
And my man, my guy, Brian Bowers, gives me the segue question.
00:42:39
I said this before the season.
00:42:40
We could have three receivers with 1000 yards like the Colts had also.
00:42:44
What is going on with this team in the third quarter That don't anybody answer? Because I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna gift wrap this for Bruce.
00:42:51
Bruce? I got this for you, buddy.
00:42:53
You ready? So I'm ready.
00:42:55
I was born ready for this, Coach McDermott finally admitted Finally, because we've been speculating for a long time that the bills have had an issue in the third quarter, the bills air plus seven point differential differential for the year Overall game.
00:43:09
What game wise, however there, plus 51 of the first half, plus two in the fourth quarter and there minus 46 in the third.
00:43:17
The woes, at this point admitted by the coach, are riel.
00:43:21
How do they fix it? Okay, well, I can't speak to every third quarter, for sure, but I can speak to the third quarter against the Cardinals.
00:43:30
And when I went back and I looked and I charted all those plays, what I saw was I saw Vance Joseph bringing pressure packages that were messing up the Bills offense.
00:43:42
And it's hard to tell sometimes when there's a protection breakdown, it's always difficult to tell whether or not it's the quarterback, the line or the running backs.
00:43:50
You know, Devin Singletary went to the right where he should have gone to the left, and you know that there's an unblocked player and you see that there's a zone pressure here where they were bringing slot corners from, you know, the Gatorade box, right? They're bringing Gatorade boys off the water, boys off the off the sideline.
00:44:05
They're bringing those people and they're dropping a defensive lineman into coverage.
00:44:08
And when you have players like Marcus Golden and you have players like Hassan Red****, they're apt to drop into coverage so that Byron Murphy and Buddha Baker can come off the slot and bring pressure.
00:44:21
So there's only bringing four.
00:44:23
But they're different for, and that requires communication with your offensive line.
00:44:27
And with all of the issues that the Bills have had, getting the interior of the offensive line right, there were some breakdowns there in protection.
00:44:35
Now it's hard to tell whether or not that's Josh Allen or whether that's the line.
00:44:38
But I'll give you a great example.
00:44:40
So there was a play where the defensive tackle in the third quarter was going up right there, one on one.
00:44:48
Brian Winters.
00:44:49
He's there.
00:44:51
John Feliciano.
00:44:52
He's there.
00:44:53
Felicia has got him.
00:44:54
And then all the sudden he starts to drift and Feliciano passes him off the winters, and the second he passes him off the winters.
00:45:00
Winters immediately starts looking for work to his right to help Daryl Williams.
00:45:05
And so literally John Felicia just escorted him into the gap all the way back to the quarterback.
00:45:11
That's a miscommunication, John Feliciano thought.
00:45:13
Brian Winters was gonna be there, and I have no way to know because I don't know the line calls.
00:45:18
I have no way to know if Brian Winter screwed up or if John Feliciano screwed up.
00:45:23
But I know well enough to know that's not supposed to happen.
00:45:26
I know that escorting a defensive tackle into a B gap is not supposed to happen.
00:45:31
I know that much.
00:45:32
So there are protection breakdowns that come along with having the different five every single time.
00:45:39
We always talk about offensive line jelling, right, how important that is and how important communication is for the offensive line.
00:45:45
That's an example of what happened.
00:45:48
In addition, Josh Allen held onto his first read a little bit long and delivered the wrong type of ball a couple times.
00:45:54
So I'll give you a great example.
00:45:55
The one of the interceptions to the Patrick Peterson, one of the things that actually got picked instead of the other ones that could have gotten picked and didn't get picked right.
00:46:03
So Stefon Diggs is on a dig route, which I thought was just hilarious.
00:46:08
A little chuck it to myself here.
00:46:09
We gotta dig, dig route from digs, and then Dawson Knox is in a deep over, okay? And so Diggs bracketed.
00:46:15
And one of the bracket defenders actually is the one who ends up making the pick on a ball that was intended for Dawson knocks.
00:46:21
If you were playing Madden Josh Allen press and held Dawson knocks button instead of tapped his button, it was the wrong type of throw.
00:46:29
And because of that, they're just little tiny execution issues that keep popping up.
00:46:35
And what I have found is that execution issues and the quantity of them is directly correlative to the shuffling that you have to do a different positions.
00:46:45
This is why jelling is so important.
00:46:47
The longer you spend together, the less chance you have of these mental mistakes, and these things just pop up.
00:46:53
Inopportune times and one or two of them on a drive could derail the whole thing and drive by drive, play by play.
00:47:01
It was always something in the third quarter.
00:47:03
At no point did I look at the play calling and think, Gosh, Brian tables just really, really decided to take his foot off the gas And no point was that the case, it was individual errors that occurred in protection and an execution that put us back.
00:47:19
And then we have a positive play and we have something else that would bring us back.
00:47:22
And it happened over and over and over again.
00:47:25
And that's when the offense sputtered.
00:47:28
Super good.
00:47:29
Joe Marino.
00:47:30
This is what I wanna ask you, because I do.
00:47:33
This is like, I mean, like, BF content heaven right now for me because like what I have at my disposal between the three of you guys is amazing.
00:47:40
So to pile on that conversation that Bruce just gave, which was very well said, This isn't just offensive issue.
00:47:48
This defense is letting Oppa's well.
00:47:50
And if you watched back the video which air the tape, which I have the Gap assignment like the lack of discipline Mario Adams, Mario Addison Rather crashing down like which basically is allowing calamari to pull that ball out, run right around him and head of the end zone.
00:48:07
This defense has got issues, they've got discipline issues and they're showing up big time in the third quarter.
00:48:12
Can this Bills team win? Can they win? Can they make it to the playoffs? They the Dolphins are hot on their heels.
00:48:17
Can they win? Can they make it to the playoffs so they don't get this fixed? You know, it's so so disappointing about that.
00:48:24
Cardinals game is you've got a bunch of finesse offensive lineman that run his own scheme.
00:48:28
That air reached the line of scrimmage.
00:48:30
Your defense of one that's straight up in there.
00:48:33
Eso yeah, I mean, look, the Bills have some defensive line that are playing out of position because star Lotulelei opted out.
00:48:41
They're not getting the one tech production they were hoping from out of Harrison Phillips.
00:48:46
Now, Yeah, that Oliver, Vernon Butler and Quinton Jefferson playing one tech.
00:48:49
And that's not really what they dio.
00:48:51
I'm going to bring up a new idea that I've had, and I'm probably gonna spoil a lot of what I plan on talking about early next week because I think this applies to the question you asked Joe.
00:49:01
And it's not gonna specifically answer your question when it comes to the Bills defense the third quarter.
00:49:07
But I think it does give us some hope is we think forward at seven and three with the Dolphins at six and three.
00:49:14
They're gonna beat Denver this week, folks, They got their backup quarterback, the Dolphins air humming.
00:49:18
They're gonna be seven and three.
00:49:19
So honest question for everyone to think about in.
00:49:26
And maybe this will help us.
00:49:27
Which players on this roster are actually exceeding your expectations right now, Which players on this bill's roster are actually exceeding your expectations? I have three.
00:49:41
Yeah, the whole list.
00:49:42
Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs, Darryl Williams.
00:49:45
Every other player on this roster is either meeting or performing below expectation.
00:49:51
Why is that exciting? Because there's a lot of opportunity to get better with the players that you have, like the way you think.
00:49:58
So we thought the Bills played their best game against Seattle, and I think they did.
00:50:03
That was their best game.
00:50:04
That was the most complete effort, and that kind of got us away for a second to sidetrack this and really gained a lot of momentum.
00:50:10
But at the end of day, I really think what I said is true that outside of Ellen Digs and Darryl Williams, there's nobody else on this team that's exceeding expectations.
00:50:19
Here it is.
00:50:20
Here's the bye week.
00:50:21
You gotta tired football team.
00:50:22
Sean McDermott said it two or three different times that the scheduling jumble with Tennessee and Kansas City took away.
00:50:27
Ah, mini by That they were planning on the bike comes in Week 11.
00:50:31
Later in the season, it kind of threw off their rest structure and you had a tired football team with a bunch of guys that haven't really played their best ball, but your seven and three.
00:50:42
His team has a lot of opportunity to get better with what they have.
00:50:45
Yeah, I mean, Joe Marino preach, brother.
00:50:47
A couple super chat stacked up here.
00:50:50
John DeFazio.
00:50:51
Thank you again for the super chat.
00:50:52
Okay, deep dive.
00:50:54
If we run 10 personnel or specific formations successfully in the first half, we have enough tape to attack pressure from our own self scout.
00:51:01
Our issue is we adjust in the fourth quarter instead of set up for the third.
00:51:05
Anybody want to take that one? Uh, I'll jump on that first.
00:51:10
I don't I don't feel that it's that we don't adjust.
00:51:13
I think the problem is, and it's a good problem to have in a sense, and I know Ah, lot of people are gonna yell at me in the chat about this, but I don't care.
00:51:20
The thing is, the bills are typically normally they're doing better in the first half than the other team, so it's difficult to make adjustments to things that you don't know that they've adjusted to already.
00:51:32
So what happens is the third quarter is normally when that other team adjust.
00:51:36
And then the Bills fans.
00:51:37
They're looking at the bill's performance, and I'm like, What the hell is happening? What is going on? And then once the Bills figure out what the other team is doing, then they adjust and it's normally closer to the fourth quarter.
00:51:45
And then that's when Josh does Josh things.
00:51:48
So wow, it's a great question.
00:51:50
It's a great, great point.
00:51:51
I don't think is that, you know, we're slow with it.
00:51:53
I just think that they need toe figure out how to adjust even before the other team that just to us it might sound difficult, but I mean, what I'm saying is like, even if we go into it with a completely different game plan in the second half, that's just a surprise.
00:52:09
We have to do that, you know.
00:52:10
But but to go into the second half the exact same way.
00:52:13
And that's what we do every game We come out the first half, we look great.
00:52:16
Then the second half, we come out and we're trying to do the same thing or were trying to slow it down a little bit.
00:52:21
We can't do that.
00:52:22
We have toe.
00:52:23
In a sense, you kind of have to go into the game thinking of Okay, If there's two ways to beat this team, which way are we going to do it in the first half? And then which way are we going to do in the second half? You have to switch it up.
00:52:34
You can't come out with this, you know? Yeah.
00:52:36
If you don't, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
00:52:38
Yeah, but in the NFL, you can't do that because they're gonna adjust.
00:52:41
And then you're gonna lose the third quarter, and then we're gonna have what we had happened Sunday.
00:52:47
Yeah, Yeah, I'd agree with that.
00:52:51
I do think that other teams are being forced to adjust to the bills.
00:52:54
Other teams are being forced to adjust the bills because they're up at half time because they come out strong and that does matter.
00:52:59
That's part of that as well.
00:53:01
But in addition, I think that part of this is that there, when you have a team that is explosive, that the Bills have been on many occasions this particular year on I I feel weird still saying that when you have an explosive team that other teams have to adjust to.
00:53:19
I remember Rex Ryan one time saying that he came in with tube game plans against Peyton Manning, and neither one of them worked.
00:53:25
Now, part of that's just because it's Rex Ryan.
00:53:27
But the idea isn't necessarily flawed thing.
00:53:31
Idea of having to game plans isn't necessarily flawed, but you don't know how they're gonna react to you in game.
00:53:39
You don't know what they're going to roll out after halftime.
00:53:42
And so I think part of it's the fact that it's a little bit like rock, paper, scissors.
00:53:46
When I throw rock, I throw rock, I throw rock.
00:53:49
Okay, well, I think if I keep throwing rocks at some point, you're gonna throw paper, and so I should start throwing scissors.
00:53:55
Well, it's not that simple.
00:53:56
It's not.
00:53:57
There's only three things you can do in football.
00:53:59
I have to see what you're gonna start throwing before I can counterpunch.
00:54:03
That's just part of the way.
00:54:04
This isn't part of the third quarter stuff.
00:54:06
Is that part of it that it's always gonna be that I'm not making excuse for that.
00:54:10
It's not an excuse.
00:54:11
It's just a factor.
00:54:13
It's a reason, but it's not the excuse.
00:54:16
Ideally, what you would like to hope to have happened is for a team to go.
00:54:20
Okay, I think based on their tendencies, they are going to react this way, and I need to be prepared.
00:54:26
But I will bring back to the Seattle game.
00:54:28
When, in the second half the Buffalo Bills started getting lots of pressure from the Seattle Seahawks, which team went to their screen game first Bills? Was it the Bills, or was it the Seahawks? It was the Bills.
00:54:40
We reacted to their pressure schemes before they reacted to ours.
00:54:44
It was The game was out of hand before the Seahawks were like, you know, maybe I should try scheme.
00:54:50
Maybe I should throw a screen pass.
00:54:51
I don't know.
00:54:52
I mean, Brian Schottenheimer sitting there looking at Russell Wilson like I don't know you wanna try something? I know it's crazy, but you wanna try it, and the Bills did it first.
00:54:59
So the I think it's a little bit overblown, not because there's not a problem there, but because there's there's factors associated with that that we understand.
00:55:08
And when I look at the Cardinals game and I see the way that the Cardinals were ableto runs own pressures against the Bills and I think you know, I don't think this is third quarter, I think if we had a better offensive line are preferred starters.
00:55:22
This probably would have been an issue.
00:55:24
The the only agree the almost entirely the only place that I would disagree with you, Bruce, is it seems to me the Bills come into the third quarter after half and kind of, Ah, let's see what you're gonna do.
00:55:37
Like they kind of it seems like they attack that third quarter with we're gonna make some adjustments and we're gonna kinda have a plan.
00:55:43
But we want to see what you're gonna do first.
00:55:46
Just because where I disagree, is I.
00:55:48
Just because they got to the screen pass first against Seattle doesn't mean that they always get to the solution first before the other team.
00:55:54
A lot of time to think the Bills air like finally figuring it out around the like five minute mark in the fourth quarter.
00:55:59
It's like, Oh, this is what they're kind of doing to us But that's just me.
00:56:02
Uh, super chats are stacking up Scott, Scott and Lou, thanks to the super chat, buddy, you know what really ****ed me off is the Hopkins catch.
00:56:08
It's alright on Wednesday, and we're still talking about it, whether it's ****yst or people on Facebook.
00:56:13
That was just me Once in a lifetime lucky catch.
00:56:15
We're trying to put it to get to bed, bro.
00:56:17
So we talked about we actually haven't talked about on this show at all.
00:56:20
But you can't put it to bed, though.
00:56:22
Like that's catch is gonna be on highlights for years to come.
00:56:25
Like if I ever have kids, my kids, kids will see that catch like that.
00:56:29
Same thing with the in Minnesota when Dix made that catch.
00:56:33
You still see that commercial now? Sort of like you're going to see this catch all like so I'm sorry, guys, where Bills fans and it hurts because it happened to us.
00:56:42
We can't put this to bed.
00:56:43
This is one that we're gonna live with.
00:56:45
I appreciate the sentiment.
00:56:46
I don't think he's talking to us because we have not talking.
00:56:48
It was in my highlight reel, but we have not talked about it.
00:56:50
Joe Marino.
00:56:52
The Dolphins are coming.
00:56:53
So I was pretty upset with the whole two is coming thing that was on Good morning football a couple weeks ago, But clearly the Dolphins were making a statement.
00:57:01
Uh, they're coming on strong.
00:57:03
And after the winners of five in a row, which to me is insane that they've won five games in a row.
00:57:09
How do I want to ask this question? Are they now a real threat to the Bills A F C East hopes and is the way that they're winning? Sustainable? They're absolutely getting ready to an eight in a row.
00:57:20
They've got Denver with their backup quarterback this week and the Jets and Bangles.
00:57:26
So you get ready for Yeah, they're definitely in it.
00:57:29
And look, I think you can poke holes in in their formula for winning, and Bruce will tell you that the what does it hurt him date 1000 times.
00:57:41
How you win is more is a better indicator of future success than the fact you did win.
00:57:47
And so you can poke holes in that.
00:57:48
But well, look what all of us a better person for risk listening to Bruce Exclusive? Um, so, yeah, you could poke holes in it for sure.
00:57:59
Um, but they're winning.
00:58:01
And this didn't just happen overnight.
00:58:04
They had a winning record over the last nine games last year with one of the worst rosters ever assembled, and they had some quality wins over that stretch, and now they're six and three.
00:58:13
So they finished five and four last year.
00:58:14
Six and three now, like this did.
00:58:15
This isn't like random.
00:58:17
They had a great off season.
00:58:19
They have a really good head football coach and Brian Force.
00:58:21
That is very Shawn McCoy, Dermot, like, um, and there's a lot of exciting things defensively.
00:58:28
He's got that scheme humming.
00:58:29
He's got the people that he needs to run it.
00:58:31
His cornerbacks are healthy and Eggs Avian Howard and Byron Jones.
00:58:34
Bobby McCain's been unbelievable at free safety.
00:58:37
Raekwon Davis is coming to his into his own is a nose tackle Emmanuel Aguas been one of the best pass rushers in the league.
00:58:43
A great scheme with the people to run it to a has given that offense exactly what they're hoping for, which is a very dynamic read, are not Excuse me.
00:58:52
RP oh, dynamic toe what they're doing.
00:58:54
He's making throws with anticipation.
00:58:56
He's accurate.
00:58:57
He's been decisive.
00:58:59
Their offensive line. They've got some.
00:59:01
They got some questionable pieces, but it's jelling with some of these young players like you could sit here and deflect and not take the Dolphin seriously and all that.
00:59:10
But yeah, they're in it and they're in it to disrupt what Buffalo has.
00:59:14
And so the Bills need to take care of their business because if they don't, they're not gonna host a home playoff game in January like we all want them.
00:59:20
Thio Bruce I'm reminded of a Baltimore Ravens Trent Dilfer lead Super Bowl team that won, basically because of because of their defense, is this is the way the Dolphins air winning two job arenas Point.
00:59:33
Is it sustainable and is it indicative of future wins for this team? I think it's indicative of future wins against lesser competition.
00:59:41
I think that the idea that you can have a good defense and when the Super Bowl isn't actually accurate, you can't have a good defense when the Super Bowl, you have to have a legendary defense toe win the Super Bowl based on that.
00:59:54
And is the Dolphins defense legendary? Are we talking about the two thousands Ravens? Are we talking about 2000 to Tampa Bay Buccaneers? You know, with multiple Hall of Famer 85 85 Bears? I don't think we're talking about that level.
01:00:06
We're talking about the beginning of 2019 New England Patriots defense, which is really good, and they are really good defense.
01:00:13
And yes, you can be.
01:00:15
You can beat Denver and you.
01:00:16
You should be Denver with that defense.
01:00:18
You could beat Cincinnati, and you should be Cincinnati with that defense.
01:00:22
But the Dolphins have the Raiders, the Chiefs, the Bills at the end of their schedule and the Patriots, who are always a tough out.
01:00:32
Just ask the Ravens if the Patriots are ever a tough out.
01:00:36
And so, yes, I think it's sustainable at a certain level.
01:00:40
I don't think it's sustainable, and less they get better, better offensive play.
01:00:45
But the problem is by the time that their defense starts to maybe start to level out and starts to normalize, who is gonna have games under his belt and he's going to continue to grow.
01:00:55
And so the Dolphins concern me.
01:00:57
But they don't just concern me because their defense is scary, because I do think their defense is gonna normalize at some point.
01:01:02
It's still gonna be very good, but I don't think you're looking at a historic defense.
01:01:06
But the problem is, by the time that happens, two is gonna have enough games under his belt.
01:01:11
He's gonna start to feel more comfortable in a Chan Gailey offense that it absolutely fits what he does no pun intended with the fits.
01:01:17
But I think that the Dolph should be concerned.
01:01:21
We should be concerned about the Dolphins for short and a rhetorical question.
01:01:26
I don't want nobody to answer it, but are we starting starting to get concerned that too we can't throw for 300 yards? I'm just wondering.
01:01:31
I mean, we're three games into a career.
01:01:32
He hasn't thrown for 300 yet, so I think that just needs to be said we got some super chat stacked up, so I guess I need to get to these real quick before we finish up.
01:01:39
John DeFazio Thank you so much for the super chat. Love your takes.
01:01:42
He's talking to Spence. That's what I'm trying to say, Spence.
01:01:44
I think it's either planning for pressure Bs, verse, man or Pressure verse. Deep Zone.
01:01:49
It's really that simple, Which is good.
01:01:51
Scott Scott Van Loo Back in the house for the third time.
01:01:53
Matt Milano Contractors.
01:01:55
Our contract is up, I think, this year with him being, uh, into a prom.
01:02:01
Do you sign him, uh, to a short term deal to see how he does and maybe go out and get a veteran in free agency? Someone, uh, a za first draft to develop.
01:02:10
I have a comment on this.
01:02:11
So the the greatest ability is availability.
01:02:14
Matt Milano is not going to sign a one year prove it Deal.
01:02:17
The reality is, is somebody is going to give him $15 million a year based on the ceiling or the floor, right? I mean this defense.
01:02:25
This this bills defense looks completely different when Matt Milano is playing and he's healthy and somebody is going to give him a contract.
01:02:33
12.
01:02:34
15 year based on what they could potentially give him.
01:02:38
They're not gonna give it to him based on necessarily what his injury history is.
01:02:41
So there's no way, in my opinion, that the bill's going to skate on some sort of a one year contract or one year, prove it deal or two year prove it.
01:02:48
Deal like, hey, with high incentive laden deal.
01:02:51
Does anybody disagree with that statement? Absolutely not.
01:02:56
I don't disagree with that statement at all.
01:02:58
There has to be in agreement between a player's representation and the player and the team on what that player is, and there is no chance that a team is not going to offer madam a lot of money.
01:03:08
That's just not gonna happen.
01:03:09
So it would work for the Bills.
01:03:11
Sure, in an ideal world, you say, Okay, well, you know, let's let's do that.
01:03:15
But the fact the matter is, that's just not what's gonna happen.
01:03:17
Somebody's gonna offer Matt Milano 13 to $14 million a year, probably to be a really good weak side linebacker for them, and that's just gonna happen.
01:03:27
So the bills have a decision as to whether or not they're going to either pay that, let him walk or tag him.
01:03:34
So there is no, you know, Quaternary option where it's well, if I could just sign a one year approve a deal, he's not gonna take a one. You approve a deal.
01:03:43
You know what? The one you approve a deal is the tag.
01:03:45
That's what ISS on that might happen.
01:03:47
There's a good chance that that might exactly be what happens.
01:03:50
But, yeah, the biggest thing for me is it's It's such a weird paradox, because this defense looks so different with Matt Milano in it.
01:04:00
The problem is that the dude cannot stay on the football field.
01:04:02
It's just really weird.
01:04:03
So Jonah Fazio, back in the House, overrated to up, is running a simple offense.
01:04:08
The legal catch up and check his stats at the end of December is the world somebody somebody talking about this is the world going to crash down onto? Are they gonna start throwing because he came out, I think, this week and said, You know what? I thought the NFL is gonna be harder.
01:04:21
Anyone.
01:04:23
The reason why the NFL caught up with Ryan Fitzpatrick in the change of the offense is just Ryan Fitzpatrick couldn't throw the ball down the field.
01:04:29
It wasn't because Chan Gailey's offense is intrinsically crazy simple, and the league caught up with it.
01:04:35
It's because Ryan Fitzpatrick couldn't throw the ball down the field.
01:04:38
And so what happened was defense is starting to collapse on them.
01:04:40
In addition, the you know the best year of Ryan Fitzpatrick career with Chan Gailey happened with the Jets, where he had reasonable offensive weapons.
01:04:48
With the Bills, it was Stevie Johnson and Donald Jones.
01:04:51
So that's a secondary issue and the reason why the league was able to catch up to the Ryan Fitzpatrick lead.
01:04:56
Buffalo Bills, those air.
01:04:58
Not the issues with 22 It can throw the ball accurately down the field, and the Dolphins have weapons.
01:05:04
So because of that, I don't think you should be expecting the exact same thing.
01:05:08
I'm not saying to is never gonna run into a roadblock.
01:05:10
That's not what I'm saying.
01:05:11
I'm saying that this idea that it's going to repeat itself history speaking because that's what happened with Chan Gailey offenses.
01:05:18
You gotta look at the situation with Chan Gailey offenses.
01:05:20
Ryan Fitzpatrick is your trigger man is gonna get you by.
01:05:24
But Ryan Fitzpatrick throwing the ball outside the seems down the field was a problem.
01:05:30
And once defense is realized that there's certain things that a quarterback can't do within the scope of the offense, then that becomes problematic.
01:05:38
Yeah, and that's part of being a franchise quarterback.
01:05:41
Part of being a franchise quarterback is not having very obvious tells that the defense goes, Hey, you know what this guy can't do that it's that simple.
01:05:48
He just can't do this thing.
01:05:50
So as such, we can run defense.
01:05:51
Is that naturally seed that thing to the quarterback, knowing he's not capable of taking advantage of it.
01:05:57
And until two of shows that he's not able to do those things, I'm going to continue to believe that there is a reasonable possibility that the world's not gonna collapse down on him.
01:06:06
Good stuff, and you're basically barking straight down the Lamar Jackson tree as far as like what? What defenses have realized that he cannot do, and they're trying to force him to do things basically inside that scheme, Joe, you're gonna say something We're going to say I feel like I'm at a difficult point here with this to a discussion because I'm reading these comments and bills.
01:06:26
Mafia is one wants to slander to Ah, and I think I think there's a lot of bias going into those takes and I have to.
01:06:37
I have to learn the role that I need to play in this discussion because I really disagree.
01:06:43
I really disagree.
01:06:44
I I mean, I scouted to, ah, heavily at Alabama.
01:06:47
I know the player he is.
01:06:49
I know what he's being asked to do.
01:06:50
I've watched the all 22 of his last two starts.
01:06:53
I see high level throws.
01:06:54
I mean, you wanna You don't think this guy has arm talent pop on the Arizona game and look in the fourth quarter and watch him rolled to his right.
01:07:01
He's on the right hash and hitting my Kosecki outside the numbers on the left hash, 19 yards down the field, flat footed with pressure.
01:07:10
Tell me he doesn't have arm talent.
01:07:12
E mean, I'm very impressed with two.
01:07:14
Uh, I really appreciate that he's played the role that he needs to.
01:07:18
It's not his fault that he's getting defensive turnovers that are crazy and punt returns and really good production around him.
01:07:24
He's playing the role that he has to for this football team, which is tremendous maturity for a guy who has only played a few games.
01:07:32
If if If Josh Allen looked like to A did after his first three starts, this would weigh would feel very differently.
01:07:38
I think I think Bill's Mafia's gonna have to be careful here, too, not just poke holes into, uh, and be in denial mode about what he is and the skill set that he has and what he's capable of doing with really good coaching.
01:07:49
And they haven't gotten the weapons right around him yet.
01:07:52
He's got a couple of good players, right? I mean, Devante Parker's a nice player.
01:07:55
Get sick.
01:07:56
He's a good tight end, but collectively they don't have enough speed.
01:07:58
They've got some really weak links on their offensive line.
01:08:00
They've got like their fifth and six running back plane.
01:08:03
There's there's reinforcements coming here.
01:08:05
They got to one's two twos.
01:08:06
Next year they're in the top 10 of available cap space.
01:08:08
Next year we could be in denial mode.
01:08:10
All we want about this Miami team.
01:08:12
Maybe be a little ****ed off that it's coming together a little quicker than we all wanted it.
01:08:17
Thio.
01:08:18
And it's taken this long for the Bills to get to this point.
01:08:20
But don't be in denial mode about the Miami Dolphins and two on what he's shown so far.
01:08:24
Super good Super salad. Gorgeous.
01:08:26
France and I. Well, I definitely agree.
01:08:28
Joe Miller will tell you.
01:08:29
All summer I was saying to uh like People are sleeping on two.
01:08:33
I get the hip injury, I get it.
01:08:35
He has to come back and be healthy.
01:08:37
But if he's anything close to what we saw in Alabama, like I'm just telling you, the kid is deadly accurate.
01:08:42
He does have the arm talent that you talked about.
01:08:44
He could stand here and fling the ball around like it's nothing.
01:08:48
Nothing.
01:08:49
And as soon as he, like you mentioned as soon as he gets some receivers.
01:08:52
We thought Josh had a bad and he did.
01:08:54
When we had Kelvin Benjamin and whoever else that we had that year, it was a rough year.
01:09:01
It was a very rough year that za basically what two is dealing with right now.
01:09:05
Except you're right. He does have Parker.
01:09:07
He does have, you know, he has a good tight and as well.
01:09:09
So he has a couple pieces there.
01:09:11
Josh Allen has shady.
01:09:13
You know, we we had something for him, but he didn't have what he has now when to a gets a receiving corps and a line to block properly and running backs that can, like, really just do great things like shady did for us when we had him.
01:09:27
Listen, two is coming, and I get it.
01:09:30
Like you just said, man Bills fans.
01:09:31
There's some bias there.
01:09:32
We don't want to respect him because he's in our division.
01:09:35
Sure listen to is coming.
01:09:37
He's coming.
01:09:38
We're all aboard the to a train here, and I'm gonna I'm gonna wreck the to a train.
01:09:41
So I did this last night as an exercise.
01:09:43
A Zai was on for the RICO report with judge.
01:09:45
And with Clay, we're gonna go around the horn. We'll start with Spence.
01:09:49
We're gonna go, Bruce.
01:09:50
It was well, And with Joe so rank these three quarterbacks right now.
01:09:54
Joe Burrow, right, Herbert into a What's the criteria here? What does that mean? What are we ranking them on? You gotta You gotta take one of these guys.
01:10:06
If you're gonna take one of these guys or potentially, who's gonna be the best of the three of them? Like if you from what you see right now, which one of these guys is gonna be the best quarterback? If I'm If I'm starting a team right now, I'm taking Joe Burrow.
01:10:18
Joe Burrow. Bruce? Yeah.
01:10:21
Borough Thio. Herbert.
01:10:23
Yeah, Yeah, I'm there.
01:10:26
I think at this point, I just have to stay true to where I saw these guys Prospects.
01:10:29
So that Zatz where I had him And, uh, here's the thing.
01:10:33
I think if you ask the Bengals fans, they want Borough.
01:10:36
If you ask the Chargers fans they want Herbert, it's okay if they're all good, there's no rule saying that they can't all be good players.
01:10:43
I mean, they got ahead of the curve, the thing that I see him borough that I like, though, and I'm sure like to me, he has some of the intangibles that I feel like Josh has.
01:10:51
So the he hate And I'm sure everybody who's on that level hates to lose.
01:10:56
But you can really see it in certain guys.
01:10:59
And, um, borough man, he just refuses to even when they obviously take losses, because they do, um, it he tries toe will that entire team to a victory every single week and, um, do that that it factor And that mentality is something that I look for in a leader for my team.
01:11:18
So it's one of the reasons why I love Josh, but to your point man to, uh, Herbert both of them.
01:11:24
And like Herbert's been playing lights out like, I felt bad for Tyrod at first cause it's like, man, he loses his job in Cleveland because he had a concussion.
01:11:32
And then Baker came in and played great.
01:11:35
And now this time the team doctor punctures his lungs or whatever, and now he loses it.
01:11:39
But in reality, if you watch Herbert play, you can't be too bad, like you can't be mad.
01:11:47
It's like, Look, Tyrod, I'm sorry we will give you your job back, but this guy is doing your job better. Literally.
01:11:53
You know what's so, Bill? You know, it's so Bill Z.
01:11:54
This is what's so bills a Hey, Buffalo Bills, fan bills, Mafia you guys air finally gonna get your franchise quarterback.
01:11:59
And by the way, he has the ceiling potential to be the best quarterback in the NFL and, like it's gonna just gonna take him a while t develop to develop.
01:12:07
However, not only are you going to get like a franchise quarterback, three quarters of the A F C is going to get amazing franchise quarterbacks pretty much around the same time.
01:12:16
So e mean the league is flush with young talent.
01:12:20
So, ladies and gentlemen, you're listening or watching the Humpty Hotline on the Buffalo Fanatics Podcast Network.
01:12:25
I got two more questions, and we're gonna do a roundtable discussion.
01:12:27
Bruce, I'm gonna start with you, and I want each of you to pick a different guy if you do that for me.
01:12:31
So take somebody opposite this off season.
01:12:34
The bill signed Vernon Butler, Mario Addison, Quinton Jefferson, A J.
01:12:37
Klein and Josh Norman to this defense, all of whom have played subpar compared to the off the off season expectations.
01:12:44
In your opinion, which one of these guys turns it around and has the biggest impact on the last six games of the season? Bruce First, I'm going to challenge the question right off the bat because I think I think Mario Addison Quinton Jefferson had played well.
01:12:57
I think Mario Addison, Quinton Jefferson have played well.
01:12:59
I think Vernon Butler has not played well.
01:13:01
A J.
01:13:02
Klein has not played well, but then and I didn't expect him to play well, so they he hasn't played some part of my expectations, for sure.
01:13:08
And Josh Norman? It's been well do***ented how I felt about Josh Norman and the signing that they have there.
01:13:13
So I think that off the people that you just mentioned, the person who has the greatest chance of being able to have the biggest impact in the next six games relative to their impact in the previous 10 games is Quinton Jefferson.
01:13:26
I think Quinton Jefferson, after coming from Seattle playing a lot of three tech playing a lot of defensive end Quinton Jefferson, has been rolling out at one Tech and alternating with at Oliver.
01:13:36
And that's not something that Quinton Jefferson, ideally I'd like to see now.
01:13:40
Part of the run defense problems that we've seen is because we're rolling out Quinton Jefferson and at Oliver as one Texan, whenever we really need toe, you know, hold up against the run.
01:13:49
We throw £287 generous defensive tackle in at one Tech because he's got, you know, great center of gravity, and he's got good strength that he can hold up to double teams.
01:13:58
But Quintin Jefferson is playing out of position because at Oliver's playing out of position because Starla Tool is not here and Harrison Phillips is under well, so I think that if Harrison Phillips is able to come back and be healthier the last part of this season and be effective, I think that has a trickle and a ripple effect through the rest of the defensive line.
01:14:18
And I think one of the players that affects the most is Quinton Jefferson.
01:14:22
So I totally strategy failed on that whole entire question and she just started with Dispense Marina and then gone to you three to ruin my life.
01:14:28
But that doesn't mean I'm gonna wrote it.
01:14:31
This'll is the first thing that I want to say.
01:14:33
First of all, so we just went from 150 people in this room to 260 which means a bunch of you just lost logged off of other people's shows.
01:14:41
Here's the problem.
01:14:42
You should have started here.
01:14:43
This is where you should have been all night long.
01:14:45
Welcome to the 100 of you that just tuned in to the Humpty Hotline with my man J.
01:14:50
Spencer King, Get special guest Joe Marino from locked on Bills podcast and special guest Bruce Nolan from the Bruce Exclusive Joe Marino.
01:14:57
Which one of those guys you got Hear me out.
01:15:01
It's always a good start.
01:15:05
Well, because look, it's to get it sound really dumb when I say it.
01:15:08
And then when I explain myself, maybe it's gonna be better.
01:15:11
But, uh, I'm gonna go with Aaron, James Klein and the reason I think that he is the you know that there is in the initials what the initials didn't.
01:15:22
I didn't know that I looked at.
01:15:23
I looked up but looked it up on pro football reference while Bruce was talking.
01:15:29
Here's what.
01:15:30
Here's why.
01:15:31
I believe that right now we've seen way too much a J.
01:15:33
Klein way too much.
01:15:34
He's been a little better over the last couple of games.
01:15:37
The reason too much is Matt Malone.
01:15:39
Tremaine evidence have been hurt.
01:15:42
Well, I think coming out of the by here and that Milano is gonna have to miss the Chargers game.
01:15:47
But come the 40 Niners game, you've got Milano back.
01:15:51
You have Edmonds who's obviously looking a lot better.
01:15:54
A.
01:15:55
J.
01:15:56
Klein is gonna go back to the role he was brought to fill for this football team, which is 10 15 snaps, a game of base defense and special teams, and within those 10 to 15 snaps a game, I think the Bills have learned over the last 10.
01:16:07
Iksan will be 11 weeks by the time Milano gets back what a.
01:16:11
J.
01:16:12
Klein brings to the table for this defense.
01:16:14
Maybe it's that blitzing type stuff and using him in certain situations that don't put him in situations where it's not ideal for his skill set.
01:16:22
So I think him taking on an actual role that makes sense for him.
01:16:26
Instead of having tow beam at a lot of or to be Tremaine, Edmunds will put him into a lot better situation to succeed and I think will be a lot more satisfied with him for 10 to 15 snaps instead of the 60 65 70 snaps a game. He's playing right now.
01:16:41
Super good, Spence, You can't take the two that they took. Who you got.
01:16:45
Well, I'm gonna actually go with Josh Norman.
01:16:47
I'm what I'm thinking.
01:16:50
And what I'm hoping is that the fact that he's been somewhat injured and then he had cove it and then other things that have happened throughout the year.
01:16:57
What I'm hoping is, for the second half of this season, we got a cornerback with fresh legs with, you know, some experience in the league as being a good player.
01:17:08
Um, he's experienced in this type of defense.
01:17:11
He has a lot of, you know.
01:17:12
So I'm I'm hoping that that experience in that expertise, plus the rest throughout the season, will play a factor into the second half of the season where you might have some teams who had earlier by where now you know they're receiver, you know, you put a fresh body on, let's see how this thing works.
01:17:27
So I'm hoping that our our secondary steps up and Josh Norman is a huge part of that.
01:17:33
If we could have another cornerback, not even to be Trey White level just to be something close that where? You know we're not getting destroyed over there, you know, Could you could you just imagine if we took away two or three of the first down conversions that we get on third down when you always see either, uh, Tehran over there or, uh, Levi over there? Or if you take away two or three of those first down conversions? Sure.
01:18:03
That's a huge.
01:18:04
That means so much for the team.
01:18:06
So that's what I'm looking forward.
01:18:07
Thio Sidebar.
01:18:09
Before I ask the last question and we're almost done here.
01:18:11
This has been This has been a thrill.
01:18:13
The same guy that just said this piece delusional Bills fans Right before he posted that said this end of conversation, I'll be back when two wins the Super Bowl's rookie just saying Oh, boy, Oh boy.
01:18:25
So yeah, as and the lines up perfectly.
01:18:29
First, delusional Bills fans with my very last questions.
01:18:31
We'll start with Jay.
01:18:32
Spence will go to Joe Marino will finish off with Bruce on, gonna ask it different if the Bills missed the playoffs or I should say, if the bills don't win the east, let's start there.
01:18:41
If the Bills Don't win the the A f C East and I don't wanna I don't wanna hear because the Dolphins won more games.
01:18:46
So a reason.
01:18:47
If the bills don't win the A f C East, why is it J.
01:18:50
Spence? If the Bills don't win the NFC East is because Sean McDermott needs to be fired.
01:18:57
E.
01:18:58
I mean, there's no other explanation if if if, if we do not win the A F C East or make the playoffs or whatever scenario you just try to see Oh, this is gonna make the playoffs in 10 and 6, 11 and four for sure. 11.
01:19:09
5, for sure.
01:19:10
The question.
01:19:11
We don't want a division at this point. We're four. No.
01:19:13
If we if we crapped the bed now, if it gets to the point where if it comes down to that, then I got you know, I understand, But we should win.
01:19:22
There should be no reason why we go through this season and we get to those last two games and it's not determined unless Miami just has a great you know, like like you said, if they start winning and we have the same record, okay, we need to beat these guys down.
01:19:35
There is no excuse.
01:19:36
Well, it comes on the last game of the season.
01:19:38
You're talking about two of the Miami Dolphins in Orchard Park s, so we should beat them that week, so there's no excuse for me.
01:19:45
Sure, Joe Marino.
01:19:47
So if you go across the last 10 years, 2000 and 9 to 2019 and you apply the 14 team playoff rules that apply moving forward, there has been zero seven and two teams that missed the playoffs under those under that format.
01:20:07
All right, so are you.
01:20:10
Is this Buffalo Bills team really going to be the one? Yeah, there's, and that extends to eight and three.
01:20:18
So if the Bills be the Chargers spoiler alert, I'm gonna pick him to do that by at home.
01:20:26
There's never been an 83 team that hasn't made the playoffs or wouldn't have made the playoffs under this format, so I don't believe in, you know, like crowning yourself before it should happen.
01:20:36
I think we learned a valuable lesson on that Sunday, but this team, this team's playoff caliber to steal a Sean McDermott phrase, I expect them to be in the playoffs.
01:20:47
If they don't, then teams like the Raiders really got hot.
01:20:52
The Colts got hot, the Bills crap themselves, and the Dolphins ran away with it.
01:20:58
Is that gonna happen? I think.
01:21:00
What's crazy? I think it's crazy to your point.
01:21:02
And I literally I sat on the couch drinking my coffee.
01:21:05
It was 7 30 in the morning.
01:21:06
Good morning football was on and they were talking about the A F C standings.
01:21:10
And there are obviously got the Steelers undefeated.
01:21:13
You've got the Chiefs.
01:21:14
It to the Bills are seven and three.
01:21:16
I think there's one of the team and seven and three, and the amount of six and three stacked teams like it goes all the way through the entire playoff picture.
01:21:23
And there's two teams in the hunt with six wins and the Bills around by this week.
01:21:27
And I'm thinking to myself where these winds coming from, like who are these teams beating? Because there's like everybody is kind of like mashed and huddled altogether there at the top.
01:21:35
So as much as your point is super pointed about, like in this format, the playoff format that we have in blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and 83 yada yada yada.
01:21:43
We're in a position where, like there's pressure on this Bills football team that they've never felt before, It's one thing that, like, have pressure like win a game.
01:21:50
It's something else when there's like the dude is chasing you like there's teams chasing us right now, which is crazy on I recognize that, Um, but I mean and I think we're in this moment where all of the things you said are true, Joe, but not to sound really cliche or stupid, but like they're gonna play the rest of the games, right? I mean, like, this sorts itself out.
01:22:10
And when you think about the way the bills air playing and what they have and some of the stuff we've talked about here, that leads you to believe things could be better going forward despite being at a really good spot, I just I don't know that.
01:22:21
I mean, unless Josh Allen gets hurt.
01:22:23
Matt Barkley running this ship.
01:22:25
Good God, You wanna talk about bad running offense, Take away Josh Allen.
01:22:28
Uh, they're going to the postseason, and I mean, unless they really just are a fraud.
01:22:35
And I don't think that's the case with this team over the other.
01:22:37
Bruce, you've been quiet.
01:22:39
Well, you know, I'm waiting my turn sitting here behind my my lovely, my lovely picture here.
01:22:44
I'm trying to be the miracle, Joe.
01:22:45
That's what I'm trying to dio thank the entire show, man.
01:22:48
It's like, Are you gonna move or the impressive right? E.
01:22:53
Bet you didn't know I was accomplished.
01:22:54
Ventriloquist e would change is I would probably try to figure a way to get your mouth just thio.
01:22:59
And I need to put headphones on you like it's not right that you don't have headphones on.
01:23:03
But e think if if the bills were to miss the playoffs, Josh Allen got hurt, I think the biggest the biggest weakness on this team is the drop off from q B one a Q B two.
01:23:14
I do not trust Matt Barkley to be able to run effective, especially given the fact that we're not dealing with the same level of defense that we dealt with in 2000 and 19. 2018.
01:23:23
We're winning this year in large part because of Josh Allen.
01:23:27
If you take away the reason why this team is winning, then you cannot expect them to win anymore.
01:23:34
We're not winning because we have a stellar running game.
01:23:37
We're not willing because we have a stellar defense.
01:23:41
We're not winning because we're getting tons of turnovers and flukey stuff.
01:23:44
We're winning because this passing offense, which is driven through Josh Allen, is outscoring opponents and they're doing it at a 7 to 3 pace.
01:23:55
So if you remove Josh Allen from that equation, then that's what happened.
01:24:01
Because that's the thing that's making the engine go.
01:24:03
Right now, it's good stuff.
01:24:06
No, it's that we're living in the world of Josh Allen.
01:24:08
I've said that all offseason that this is the season of Josh Allen.
01:24:12
I said that we will know, in my opinion, who Josh Allen is by Week eight, like he's either going to regress or he's going to begin to show us who he is and what his ceiling could be, uh, which he has done.
01:24:23
This has been an awesome experience.
01:24:25
I just want to take a moment just to thank you guys just for being a part of the show.
01:24:29
J.
01:24:30
Spence, Joe Marino, Bruce Exclusive uh, do me a favor.
01:24:32
Let's go around the horn real quick.
01:24:33
And, uh, J spent something about you one more time for the fans and the watchers, who you are.
01:24:39
What? Your show is one final thought, and they will do.
01:24:40
Bruce will do, Joe.
01:24:42
And I just got it just before we do, right? I was just Before we do this, we owe Eric.
01:24:47
Welcome to the show.
01:24:48
Thank you for the super chat.
01:24:49
What a strange, unique number. 17. 14.
01:24:51
Uh, that would be Josh Allen.
01:24:53
And one, uh, last 33 Bills.
01:24:57
13 game on a captain clutch throw to the best.
01:24:59
Receiving the league defense played well.
01:25:01
Azzawi needed to to win.
01:25:03
Besides the lapse go bills.
01:25:05
What needs to happen after the by? Does anyone want to take that? So he's literally asking what needs to take place, I guess.
01:25:11
Let's do that.
01:25:12
So each of you what's the one thing that needs to happen after the by J. Spence.
01:25:18
Well, for me, the one thing that has to happen after the by, we need to, um really just be consistent.
01:25:24
Stick with what we're doing.
01:25:25
We need to get healthy.
01:25:26
That's it.
01:25:27
You know, Let's let's get healthy and then do what we've been doing the last two weeks.
01:25:30
I'm happy with the direction the team is going in.
01:25:34
The defense is getting better.
01:25:35
The offenses seems consistent.
01:25:37
I mean, the running game.
01:25:38
We do want to see that improved.
01:25:39
But getting healthy is the That's the part.
01:25:42
So we're good. Bruce.
01:25:45
I think that you need to be able to run the ball when you have Thio.
01:25:49
I don't think like Joe, Marino said.
01:25:51
I don't think that running needs to be a 60% part of your offense, but it does need to be ineffective 40% of your offense.
01:25:57
And right now, if you do something 40% of the time and 40% of the time it works, none of the times.
01:26:04
If that's the case, then you're you're gonna be hampered because you can't just completely abandon it.
01:26:11
But it needs to be, you know, effective in certain times.
01:26:14
I did entire article for Buffalo rumblings last offseason about there are effective times to run the football, and when those downs and situations come up, you need to be able to do it now.
01:26:25
It shouldn't be a foundation of your offensive.
01:26:27
I have to pick one.
01:26:28
I'm gonna pick passing over running for sure.
01:26:30
But it needs to be a part of this now.
01:26:32
Part of that is gonna come from isolating variable, which is the offensive line.
01:26:36
Like Joe said, getting your preferred starting five is gonna be part of that.
01:26:40
But the other part of it's making sure that Okay, now that we have are starting five.
01:26:44
What's the appropriate scheme? It's almost like a flow chart.
01:26:47
Do we have the preferred starters? Yes.
01:26:49
No.
01:26:50
If yes, then it start evaluating scheme and go from there.
01:26:53
Good stuff.
01:26:54
Joe Marino Put Mitch Morrison center John Feliciano at right guard.
01:26:58
Cody, forward at left guard.
01:26:59
Tell them to put their big boy pants on and move some bodies out of the **** waste.
01:27:03
You could run the ball when you need Thio.
01:27:05
That's why I love it.
01:27:06
I love it.
01:27:07
And Peter, by the way, just I had shown already your super chat given super chat bills Mafia If we need a week 17.
01:27:12
So I did throw that up there.
01:27:13
It was just in the middle of one of the other conversations with that.
01:27:17
We're gonna wrap this this this This, uh, this hype train up eso again? Just we're gonna go around the horn.
01:27:21
J.
01:27:22
Spence, Bruce, Joe J.
01:27:23
Spence.
01:27:24
Each of you tell me, uh, where we could find you, what your shows are and one final thought.
01:27:28
Whatever.
01:27:29
That Maybe it could be about absolutely anything.
01:27:31
Go ahead.
01:27:32
J.
01:27:33
Spence on Twitter and Instagram, you can find me at J.
01:27:35
Spence the king.
01:27:36
You confined my shoulder code of conduct on Buffalo Rumblings Podcast network on Tuesdays.
01:27:40
Uh, this past week we had Mark Maddox joining us.
01:27:44
The, um, past Buffalo Bills and Arizona Cardinal linebacker.
01:27:50
Yeah, it was a really good show.
01:27:52
If you didn't get a chance to catch it, you probably should.
01:27:54
Honestly, it was a good show.
01:27:55
Um, next week I got my man Rico being being a Teabing, joining me on a code of conduct.
01:28:01
And then the week following, I have, uh, the Buffalo Bills all time leading scorer and points.
01:28:07
Steve Christie joining me.
01:28:09
Z not bragging.
01:28:11
I'm telling people what to listen to, like Come, come, come.
01:28:13
You know, come kicking with me.
01:28:14
But no, it's gonna be a fun time.
01:28:16
We got We got some good stuff coming up.
01:28:18
And, uh, and then also on Sundays, you can catch the chop up with Mookie Hawkins and myself. Gotcha.
01:28:23
Any final final thoughts, anything final thought honest to God.
01:28:27
Just enjoy this Bills.
01:28:28
Fans were seven and three.
01:28:30
Like I get that, there's a lot to talk about.
01:28:32
There's a lot to break down and a lot that we want to be negative about.
01:28:35
When it comes to like, Oh my God, we can't run or Oh, my God, we do this or oh, my God, Listen, let's just enjoy this, right, man, When is the last time you really can think of a time that these games matter to you like that? Not just matter, because you love the team, but they mattered because the winds and losses really matter at this point in the season like this.
01:28:53
Even with the looming Dolphins, is there anything better than Bills? Dolphins rivalry? And do this? Bruce, Give me what you got.
01:29:00
My name is Bruce Nolan.
01:29:01
You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Bruce Exclusive.
01:29:04
I am the host of the Bruce Exclusive Podcast, which drops on the Buffalo Rumblings Podcast Network Thursdays.
01:29:10
and Fridays.
01:29:12
I don't have any of the good guests. Literally.
01:29:14
None of the people that J spends just talked about are gonna talk about May like that's That's never You are never going to get that kind of awesome content for me.
01:29:21
So I'm just I apologize ahead of time.
01:29:24
I'm doing whatever the opposite of bragging is at this point.
01:29:27
But I do have a final thought.
01:29:29
It's a fortune cookie thought for you all.
01:29:31
And you know, I know that things, uh, you know, New York is going toe orange as far as the co vid protocols go, and things are getting shut down and people are feeling pretty bad.
01:29:41
And I have a fortune cookie thought for you.
01:29:44
And my grandfather told me this one time a long time ago.
01:29:46
He said, You know, if you feel like dirt, maybe there's something growing inside you.
01:29:50
So I just wanna offer you guys a little bit of encouragement and tell you that I'm thinking about you and that I hope that your, uh, I hope that your your spirits are lifted.
01:30:01
We are bills, Mafia.
01:30:02
Joe Marino.
01:30:04
Joe Marino is my name at the Joe Marino is my Twitter handle.
01:30:07
Host the lock down bills podcast daily podcast on the Buffalo grind You are.
01:30:13
They change your name to the grind, man.
01:30:16
Well, Mike, you can't do that because Kyle Crabs co host, draft podcast with crabs and he's grinding the table.
01:30:23
So can't do that, but I love it.
01:30:26
Obviously, um, he's got football team here with the Buffalo Bills team.
01:30:30
And remember, I think that there's only three people that are exceeding expectations.
01:30:35
Digs Allen and Darryl Williams.
01:30:36
Your employer's playing great, but he's always playing great.
01:30:38
He's meeting expectations.
01:30:39
Uh, if I were to leave you with any thought, I would just say be nice to people.
01:30:43
Super good, Super good.
01:30:44
Ladies and gentlemen, you have been watching the Humpty Hotline on the Buffalo Fanatics Multi Cast Network.
01:30:49
I am your host, Joe Miller.
01:30:50
You could find me on Twitter at Joe Miller wire.
01:30:52
That is my host, as always, J.
01:30:55
Spencer King.
01:30:56
And as he said, you could find him at on Twitter at J. Spencer King.
01:30:59
Super Super Special.
01:31:01
Amazing.
01:31:02
Thank you, Thio, Joe Marino and Bruce Nolan for joining us.
01:31:05
What a fun time this was.
01:31:07
So that was pretty well your final, but you can't not.
01:31:11
You can't have us have a thought and you not have a thought.
01:31:13
My final thought is this.
01:31:15
I don't I don't think there's a doubt in the world that the Buffalo Bills we're still gonna win the A F C East.
01:31:19
I think that as much of a za believer and Sean McDermott or I am in him.
01:31:24
And I believe that who he is as a man and the leadership qualities as everybody here probably knows.
01:31:30
I'm a big student and a fan of leadership, And, uh, he is the right man for the job, and in my opinion, he will have these guys fine tuned.
01:31:37
I put in my show on Monday that this, to me, is an inflection point.
01:31:40
This game in this bye week and the Bills could come out either not trusting each other anymore and completely implode.
01:31:46
Or they can come out and they could literally This could be a launching point into whatever that next step is.
01:31:51
I firmly believe that this defense is finding itself.
01:31:54
I firmly believe that Josh Jonah still progressing, and we still haven't seen his ceiling yet, and I think that they're gonna get this run to Joe Marino's point.
01:32:01
They're gonna put the best five out there, which we all know who that best five is on.
01:32:04
Once they do that, I think that they're gonna make some noise in the playoffs.
01:32:07
And that would be my final thought.
01:32:09
So if that makes me delusional Bills fan, I am.
01:32:12
He so that work that works.
01:32:15
I appreciate your take their or your final product.
01:32:17
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you guys for joining us.
01:32:20
My name is Joe Miller.
01:32:21
J. Spencer King.
01:32:22
Bruce Nolan.
01:32:23
Joe Marino. Go Bills everybody round the horn. Go bills.
01:32:25
Go Bills catch you next time.

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