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that's going to start doing this.
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Whoa.
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All right.
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I'm sorry.
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Let's just already, man.
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I think I think we're OK now.
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Hopefully, everyone enjoy Matt.
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Just really driving homeless points for you.
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Let's assume I agree with all of it.
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Yeah, everything you said.
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Well, I'm closing.
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I'm saying this.
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So basically what I tried to like rehab a couple times is like, um if the Nets can't get this done, I think they frantically try toe.
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They have to try to find another trade part.
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Or like another start a trade for it. Okay.
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Fantastic.
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Ready? It's awesome.
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Because we literally seconds ago and or six minutes ago when you lost me.
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Um, I was thinking about going into this content, this type of area where you say okay, if that deal falls through and this is the same thought process I had around, If you're the nets and you're willing to talk about bringing in a hardened, then you have to be in the market for a lot of different things.
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You have to be willing to make calls on a few different people.
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I had mentioned this guy going back to last year about if you hit the free agency market.
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Boy, you'd really like to take a look at him, don't know what the intentions are of the French Chuy's, and this is a team we just made a very low level deal with to bring in Brand.
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I go back to the Detroit Pistons if this falls through, and I consider a sign and trade possibility with Christian would.
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If you go into a lot of trade simulators around it and where the landscape is your, you could look at a three or four year deal for him anywhere from 14.
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5 up to maybe 16 17 $18 million.
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Something in that range.
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The markets a little bit fluctuated.
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Obviously, with everything that's gone on, I consider something like that.
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And maybe you even talk about if you wanna have another guy that take the ball like you want to throw in a lumpy Derrick Rose contract or whatever that may look like, whatever the case may be.
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But this is what I thought about just with with just Kevin Durant and just Kyrie Irving, this cast of characters I still thought that Christian would would be a great player to bring in if you could do it and make the money work.
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I wonder if Detroit who's clearly now in a new mode they're looking to pivot change things up a little bit.
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Derrick Rose Blake Griffin could be out the door toe anywhere, potentially not Brooklyn.
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I I just wonder, Would they be enticed by, Ah, Caris, Levert, Spencer Dinwiddie Some combination of that package, even if it involved the Jared Allen.
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And then you bring in a guy in Christian would who offers significant different upside on both ends of the floor than anything you currently have on your roster.
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And I know that's not a high level name, by the way.
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I'm not. I'm not listening.
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Him is the superstar guy like a James Harden.
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But I think a move like that, and maybe multiple moves like that could be how the Nets try to reform this roster a little bit because you said it last time.
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You mentioned all these guys names.
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They all know that they're tradable pieces for Brooklyn in some way.
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You have to move on from that.
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Like what other? What other big options would you think about? If you're Brooklyn and you can't get hard.
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I think you take the same package.
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You throat Washington.
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I did it.
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But deal is not the same thing, though.
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I get it, I get it.
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Yeah, I get that assessing air in such a bad spot.
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Like if and maybe carry because caress You know what? Maybe caress and Jared, I think, did what? He has to be gone. There's no way he didn't.
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What? He's not going to show up dinner, ladies.
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I love him and he's got a lot of pride.
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Dude, there's no like, I think I think Jared Allen.
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I mean, look, I think the packages probably Jared Allen and Den Witty and you and you bring caress back because now look, I've been like Mr like I would I would almost think about keeping Spencer Dinwiddie over Carousel for now that I know all of them have been heavily rumored in a trade.
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Oh, I'm keeping Paris because Paris is a a cool like cool as a cu***ber, like he's not going to really worry about that like that.
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So also, and also Caris, Levert is in line to be getting paid right, like he's already comfortable on a four year deal making 16 plus dimwit.
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He is still in the motive.
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I have an opt out year after this one.
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I'm trying like I'm trying to get my You're trying to get his big payday.
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That's what that's what his problem value my best values to go to, Ah, team that's bad or wherever.
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Just blow up and having a hell of a season and reset the market for myself.
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And that's why I think that what has always been kind of hey sending me out, okay? Where my head is happy to go.
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They also the issue of he's an expiring and Jared Allen wants a big extension.
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So, like, they that just makes I mean, look like that just makes sense.
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And now that we like now that it's public that they're like, Yeah, now this core kind of sucks like Z just like nice.
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Yeah, time first about, I don't know.
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I think there now they have to make like they are now bound to making a move.
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There's no way to go back, and I again like all right, I don't know, like I would think about the Bradley Beal thing.
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I really would I really would.
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I would say, Hey, Houston didn't want this package.
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Um, Bradley bills younger.
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He's not as good, but he's younger.
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So it's not like you're gonna be, you know, the worst team in the league with him if Kyrie impeding Juan.
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But that's the problem, right? And on top of what I will say is to a big factor to me is something we highlight about Harden was.
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Hey, here's an iron horse.
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You put him out there every single game.
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Still, Fielder's in this games I I and yield makes way more sense.
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Is somebody that can playoff ball because as much as much as we're saying, Well, there's a lot of talent there.
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Holy cow.
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They got to figure out the hierarchy and its use The odd man out, By the way, it's not talked about that.
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Yeah, when you talk about that, they said like Hey, you know, has a workout.
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They go.
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It kind of solves itself.
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It's Kevin Durant, and actually they said, like it's kind of James Harden first, because Kevin Durant can always get Hiss like, you know, he gets this kind of having the flow of the game.
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I'm gonna get my looks because I'm gonna always present these mismatches on that end of the floor.
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Harden is gonna get his bring up the court like Kyrie is gonna have to be the guy that gets kind of says, like, I take what I get when I get it.
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And if if he's comfortable with that in that in that situation, that is great and all works out.
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If there's egos involved in it, then it's a bit more of a problem, you know? So I guess that that that personality mashup is the question that you're asking, uh, Doug, my partner on the podcast he posted that goes, You know, it always trade simulators.
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It's Ah Kyrie for hardened straight up.
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I mean, the numbers and it all matches up.
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You know, obviously it's nothing that the Nets will be looking to do.
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But that's the thing that I don't know about.
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And to your point in the bill scenario with the Wizards, I will say if you put Caris Levert and you put Jared Allen for Biel on some other picks, it's a nice like for like and you put deal off well.
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He replaces Caris, Levert that very comfortably fits with what you currently have losing, Alan.
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It is what it is.
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You replace it with an Ibaka on an M l e.
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And everything kind of feels pretty good for you.
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So there's, um, or natural fit there with that move.
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I just I don't know.
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I feel the same way about Bill that I felt about when all the Gordon Hayward I was just like, you know, Gordon.
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Excuse me, Aaron Gordon, which is like, Like what? I get it.
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I get that he's a name.
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I understand it, but I don't know if that all right, I I don't know.
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I I know how good deal is.
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So maybe, you know, maybe I maybe I'm just getting in the weeds on it like it's an all or nothing, either It's this monstrous big three with Harden, or you should totally pivot away from that mode.
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But I guess you know that consolation prize, though.
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Does that feel like, you know, I mean, if you're Brooklyn and you've hit home runs by getting KD and Kyrie here, does it end up feeling constantly like, wow, we got we got outbid for hardened by by Boston.
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We had a pivot after we didn't get holiday, who ended up going to the Bucks? Or are the Nets doing this great thing like here? Here's a Here's a quick theory for you.
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Are the Nets also just like maybe we're driving it up? Like maybe the Bucks felt compelled to do as much as they did to get holiday, because the Nets were at least considering it may be the Celtics were willing to go as high as they will, because the Nets are considering hard and like out of all of these teams coming into this off season, the Nets, I think, are the most comfortable running it back with how their roster was currently constituted.
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I think Boston has really legitimate questions about how they would feel deep into the season.
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I think obviously, Milwaukee had riel concerns about pleasing you, honest and giving him a case to come back.
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The Nets go good.
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I mean, you know, I mean, before this came up, the Nets were like, Yeah, Caris, Levert with Spencer Dinwiddie and Jared Allen.
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We feel good about our roster.
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Maybe we wanna make a little tweet, but we didn't We didn't come into this offseason saying, like the Nets need to go get James Heart.
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They've been so third star hungry, though.
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I mean, that's my thing is like, I don't know.
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They say I get like on paper, yet makes sense, but they have a new owner.
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They have Katie and who is clearly wants another guy in there.
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Um, I don't know.
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And and like the thing is is like Brad Beal.
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I mean, that's probably the best third option in the league, like by a considerable margin like Easy.
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It's not only think it's even close, he's really good and he is a really interesting player.
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Toe have is a third guy because of the way he could playoff ball, um, and and also could just sort of run the offense when those guys are either hurt or not playing.
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I mean, so my sign and trade for Christian would did nothing for you.
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I think he's young.
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I think he's too green and I like there's a There's some questions defense that I think they were gonna have toe monitor and hey, just makes sense going somewhere younger and I don't know where it iss.
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I mean really curious case for him.
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Like a lot of big on their roster and everything else that doesn't like they're staring it down.
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I, you know, maybe there the the sign and trade may not be the wrong way to go about it.
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But I do wonder if, like, they're looking at this like, yeah, we could wonder what we could get for him, However them I would just keep him because I think he's got like, he's got star potential and he does like he is.
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There's something about him, so I don't know.
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But yeah, the Christian would think, doesn't make sense, because I just don't think timeline wise, it aligns.
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They clearly want somebody there that's at your age.
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The Nets roster is clearly getting older in a hurry, clearly aging ourselves to the 30 and above benchmark here in Brooklyn on.
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And I get that, too, and all those conversations are around that of, like again and your wind down mode.
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So it's hard to risk it on a guy where you say, Well, maybe he's going to struggle, and not even during the regular season.
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You don't think like that.
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Probably get his own right But is he going to struggle in a big playoff spot when we really need to count on? I mean, that's probably the argument you make around Jared Allen and what his value is in a trade or not.
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For all of the things that I don't particularly love about DeAndre, Jordan and his game, I also know that the very least Kevin Durant, Kyrie, Irving and even the team in general, the organization goes.
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We know exactly what he is.
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You know exactly what Jared Allen is, too.
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The problem is that, like there's always been this thing of what is the What's the more they're right, What's the ceiling there? When can you look at him and say, Watch out? He's going to start to take a game over for you on the boards and so far he has.
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You know, he flashed there in the bubble when it was just, you know Hey, it's you, Jared Allen.
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Enjoy yourself.
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But I think that's probably the bigger question to, And maybe that's the risk that Kevin Durant, however, even look and go.
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Yeah, we just don't want to see him regress potentially, and all of a sudden it diminishes the value of our roster.
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By the way, it's almost the same thing.
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It's Jared Allen, DeAndre Jordan, but for different reasons.
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Is Jared Allen's development going to stop? And it's DeAndre Jordan's production going, you know? Is he going to diminish as he gets a little bit older, like, are his legs going away from him? And are you gonna lose the value of him? I still listen, even even inside of constructing a champion caliber roster.
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I still stand by the fact that Jared Allen, on the defensive end, stretching out the defense to the perimeter, picking up on swiftly that he's still the better option over DeAndre Jordan.
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And in a world where you wanna have the best chance to win, you should be.
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You shouldn't have DeAndre Jordan on this roster for a championship caliber run, I think, yeah, Jordan is a mistake on this roster.
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That's an appea*****t Thio. Two superstars.
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I get it, and also it hurts your overall team.
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DeAndre Jordan, bring it up to nothing.
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I haven't heard a thing about DeAndre Jordan.
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Is there a world where it really have not heard a thing? I I kind of forgot about Jordan quietly making $11 million you know, quietly making $11 million on this roster.
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Uh, we we talked about Did you and I talk about this and I know at least maybe Doug and I did off.
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What? What? What was the scenario? Give me the scenario where Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, whatever.
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Sign off on DeAndre Jordan getting moved.
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And he said, I think maybe was talking When he goes, Listen, what we've got in his payday, that was thing number one. He's our buddy.
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We wanted to cash that check.
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So now we've done that for him.
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If there was a world where whether it's harden or it's deal or whatever it is, where they were like, Oh, we want DeAndre Jordan back like, Is that the move where these guys go? I get it.
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Okay, you know what I mean For that caliber player, Yeah, we'll lose one friend to gain another, because it's worth it for us to do it.
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And if Alan doesn't move the needle, but DeAndre Jordan does, and even in a salary dump situation to like, Hey, we'll take this big number here because it makes the deal lineup from another standpoint and then we have a dump Double asset in DeAndre Jordan's contract.
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Yeah, I don't by any of the whole like, Oh, we're friends that we're gonna play out the rest of our careers.
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I just I never buy it.
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I'm like, Okay, that's That's great.
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I like if you said, Oh, man, like we fast for the future.
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And I re Irving is a maverick.
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I'm like, Okay, I would totally believe that because you know what? I just like what s so much can change these guys friends, but like no, the idea to over All star break like their friends like that.
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Like how? Like, I don't know you You really become friends with somebody or you really get to know somebody when you're day in, day out in a locker room, in practice, dealing with losses, dealing with bs, dealing with media at somebody, it's different.
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It's like when you it's people always start itself.
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But it's so true.
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It's different, you know, to be friends with somebody than to be roommates with somebody.
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It's like when your roommates, your friends, that's what this is so like.
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You know, I don't know.
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We're gonna be close to me.
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Know number two.
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By the way, this is James Harden and Russell Westbrook realizing that, yeah, we're friends were not roommates.
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I tell you, I tell you what, we're not We're not two guys that want to be stuck in a house together.
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I mean, that's, you know, part of of of the Crumbling in Houston as well.
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I know there's all the other issues in and around that organization right now, but those are two guys that that for us Muchas they were complimentary about one another When it first happened, Westbrook was like, Hey, like, I wanna be the floor general on this team.
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And Harden was like, Yeah, I want the ball in my hand that I want to do what I want to dio And I kind of want everyone else to accept that what that looks like for them.
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That's egos.
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And that's everything else, but and that's a simple fact of being like Okay, that's cool.
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That means that we probably shouldn't be doing this thing together.
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Like I think again into Katie and Kyrie works together.
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I can even see the world where Katie and Kyrie and hard work together.
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But as you had said last time, like I can also see the world we're in a year.
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It's like, Okay, like, who's out of the three? And it's gonna be harder.
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Kyrie.
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By the way, it's not gonna be Kevin Durant because I think that Kevin Durant is about as comfortable as a guy as you could ever see, you know, and and he's done it before in Golden State.
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He knows what that looks like, and he also knows I've been in the room with a bunch of high end talent, and I was the M V P.
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And I was, and I don't have to do a lot to get, you know, I mean, I did a lot, but I didn't have to do a lot to convince everybody else that I am the guy, you know.
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So I wonder if that's the ego check for a Kyrie Irving James Harden, where they go beyond the guy and you're like, No, you're still not the guy you want to go and you could go to Dallas and try to be the guy.
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If you want, you can go to wherever and be the guy, but No, you're not.
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You're not that here on DATs.
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What, By the way, that's what Kyrie push for when he was in Cleveland and he wanted to be the man there and lead his own team.
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I didn't work at the time, You know all that stuff.
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So I think it plays into it.
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And and if not for the cir***stances surrounding this organization in Houston, I think James Harden would have stayed there.
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I think he would have let them strip it down around him and rebuilt it, and he'd be fine.
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Collect fine, collecting $40 million paycheck sound like.
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And I'm the man here.
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And when loser draw, I'll stay with this organization.
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It's all the other things that are happening there that I think I think are also driving a need to move in a need for a change.
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Also, it did you talked about before.
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Sorry, jumping around here, but they also kind of like I I take nobody at their word in the NBA circles.
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But the GNP is like Bradley.
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Beal is not going anywhere.
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There's been talks about John Wall getting thrown around in trade talks. Now.
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I'd also be hard pressed toe Wonder if, like even if you're Washington, you still have to think Bill May is Bill our centerpiece, at least in the short term here, like I get moving on from him but also hate the assets you get in return.
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But they could do that at another point as well, if they don't need to be pressured to flip that kind of that kind of name right now, where is John Wall? That's something that would make a lot more sense.
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If you can show up and be healthy earlier this season, you go great.
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We'll part with you.
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But Beale has proven that he is clearly that superior talent. At least right now.
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At this point, I don't know.
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I think again, like I think if they throw the packages that they've thrown harden at Washington, they have to at least consider it because I just I don't know what the What? What's the vision? Yeah, No, no, I e And I get it.
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What do you think? And do you think that if they flip that, that's what they do? They go like, hey, same package right over to you Washington Or does it go to the table in your life.
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Well, he's not James Harden.
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You know whether or not he is or isn't.
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But you're like, Well, he's no James Harden.
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But, you know, so we'll take back one of these picks.
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The first round picks will take back.
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One of swaps will keep either Spencer say, because at that 10.
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2, I would say, like keeping Spencer Dinwiddie for whatever it is.
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You can always make a move later, but Paris Lippert still going to be the piece that you send back.
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Maybe it's what share it out in the pics, then dimwit E.
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Now we're holding onto din witty and in some way, if you're doing it with Washington, I would try to drive a harder bargain of like You're taking Tory on Princess contract.
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You're taking Taurean Prince.
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You can have your choice of Caris, Levert or Din Witty and Alan whatever.
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But we're keeping one of these players inside of our roster, and there's a world where it ends up being Taurean Prince in some way.
00:18:01
The money lines up because we all a zoo.
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Muchas I think fans have moved on from him.
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There's still this reality of like he hasn't existed on the Brooklyn.
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That's roster the way he's supposed to until Kevin Durant on the floor, because he played out of position his entire entire season.
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So there is his functionality.
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We don't fully know what that looks like, at least at this point, and the numbers are still lets you hot.
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Yeah, I just I'm out on T Honestly, I get the reasons why I e I don't know.
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Like what he's such a I think he's such a non asset right now that I don't just filler and that's why they made that deal.
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Um, but boy like, it's just I've always said like, this roster doesn't make sense and I think they know that.
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So I just you know, the Nets can play hardball and say I whatever, like Houston, Houston, whatever, like you guys, and you don't wanna keep them.
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But like they're in a tricky spot, they are in a tricky spot there, just as much pressure for them.
00:19:01
Let me throw out another thing, too, because this is one of the things that I was hearing.
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There's a couple of players that like Westbrook, obviously market not that strong for him really, teams aren't looking apart with major assets to get him back.
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We'll take him and you'll, you know, like the Knicks would be improved with him.
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But you know, you're giving up something, you know.
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It's costing you in terms of a young player, development cetera Victor Oladipo is also being talked about is like the market.
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You know what you're gonna get for him.
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It's just been a It's been a lot softer than maybe first anticipated.
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Obviously, the hardened piece kind of throws a wrench into a lot of teams plans in terms of the pivoting thing.
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Then maybe this is what I'm talking about it that, like, how do you go and get a couple of players? Maybe if you do it, the hard thing falls through.
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Maybe you're thinking about state, Washington says.
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Sorry, man feels just he's flat. At least right now.
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He is not on the table.
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Do you put together a much a much softer, much lighter package and say We'll take a chance on Victor Oladipo and put him into this mix here and look at the defensive upside first.
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Worry about the offense later and it's not gonna cost you nearly as much to maybe get him in on to Brooklyn and say That's still improvement.
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That's in the vein of a drew holiday kind of thing.
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Let's get better defensively, not the same defensive player. The true holiday is.
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But that's what I start to wonder.
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I know it's not.
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It's ***ier, is glamorous, but I just if you're in these waters of making big moves and he's asked, these players were going somewhere cares lover again with the Allen that all Taurean Prince, they're all going somewhere.
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Name me two players that you know that you can massage and get into this roster and say Okay, Kevin Durant, Kyrie, Irving, Victor Oladipo, Joe Harris, DeAndre Jordan.
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You know. Okay.
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And now what's the second move that you can make to get another nice piece into that mix? And you go? Guess what we are.
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We're deep, were slightly improved across the board relatives where we were last year, and we're still gonna be a really talented deep playoff team.
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And we're gonna bank on the combination of star power and depth to get this thing done at the end of the day, as opposed to going bare bones and then needed to supplement.
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You can still go.
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The supplemental move of getting Ibaka in there is.
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Well, then, okay, we get, we get Victor Oladipo, we get we get Ibaka in there in the mix after losing Allen and losing Caris Levert Okay, you can I can look at that roster and say That's an improvement from where you were last year where you get the hierarchy of the East.
00:21:13
That's question debatable, but it's a step in that it is certainly a step in the right direction and doesn't mean mortgaging as much down the line and in the future.
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Yeah, I mean, I would like the thing is is like if they don't get if veal is truly unavailable, they have There is no other third star.
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That's it.
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So then you are making a move at the fringes and then for Victor Oladipo, like, are even willing to trade enmity.
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I wouldn't I would you I want you.
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I don't know why you would.
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You know what he is like.
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So it's like then it's like, Are we throwing Taurean Prince and like, protected on then? Like, why is Indiana doing that? Why? Why? Just like, See if you can keep them and raises value.
00:21:52
And honestly Oh, well, you lose them at at the free agency for nothing like the deals that they're gonna get are gonna be so far from what they expect.
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So then it just becomes like you're searching the market.
00:22:04
What are you looking for, Blake Griffin? Like all these guys that you're like, I don't know.
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I I really think they need to nail this hard thing.
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And that's what this comes down Thio, because after that, it gets really weird or you just bring the roster back and you say, Maybe that's the question, but that's that I said this before, but you can wait it out until the trade deadline and see what surfaces there and then make those moves.
00:22:24
But that that's the only question is like and you said it and I tend to agree, like, Hey, you're muddying these waters Now.
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Most of these players didn't witty.
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I think they all understood that were on Lee placeholders at best.
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We talked about this yesterday, like all these names have been talked about going back to last year, and Bradley Beal talks and everything else like all these guys have been talked about in trade, so it's not like they're unaware of it.
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Um, but I just I just wonder, have you already kind of made that commitment off? Yeah, we looked around the roster and we all agree none of you guys are good enough for us to win a championship with.
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So what is the result on the court early in the season? You know? What do you What are you getting from? I think Carisa Bertel always do is saying I'll tell you what Some Spencer Dinwiddie He'd become a problem.
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I think pretty quickly I think that he would become pretty disgruntled.
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And I love Spencer Dinwiddie, but I think he would be a problem that you would have to move that you have to probably move Spencer Dinwiddie, whatever that looks like.
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Star No star package, no package.
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You put because I think that he's the kind of guy that's going to be pretty vocal when he has those big gains.
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He's going to get even more vocal about it.
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I love him that I'd rather him be that I would trade Caris Levert before I would trade Spencer Dinwiddie in terms of the value to this team and this roster.
00:23:37
But I don't think that's how Brooklyn necessarily looks at it.
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Yeah, no.
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And this contract thing as well.
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Just didn't I'll say again then.
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What is a guy that I would bring back on another contract if you moved off Spencer Dinwiddie off of Caris Levert like dimwit? He's not gonna go out there and earn a $20 million your contract next offseason.
00:23:55
So if he's a 10 to 12 12 million right now, do you think someone will throw in 20? I mean, I mean, maybe maybe they will, you know, maybe the wrong team, maybe A.
00:24:03
You know, maybe a team makes a poor choice, but I'm just saying, like like at his age again, when you think about like beyond these contracts for these superstars, there's a world where I go, man, You know what? I wouldn't hate having around this roster if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving lead after one contract.
00:24:18
I wouldn't hate still having Spencer Dinwiddie and Joe Harris and Jared Allen like it's not ***y team, but that's a nice base.
00:24:26
That's a nice baseline of players that I wouldn't mind carrying over just a feather.
00:24:29
The timeline for a couple of seasons as you rebuild and look for the next set of stars you're gonna bring in like And that's what I wonder about Sean Marks in general, whether it's through the draft, whether it's some of the other, like going getting Brown.
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He's a nice guy that you can have on this roster and say, Look how young he is.
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We can keep him for a length here if he starts to develop into a nice, nice piece for us.
00:24:48
Like that's the balancing act that any of these jams they're doing is like, Boy, how do we shoot the moon right now and not also Billy King? This thing where we end up just going Oh, my God, guys, what do you think decade, decade or so before we're back in the mix like and that's the same thing for Houston right now.
00:25:04
They're saying, like, how how do we How do we get rid of Harden and not make ourselves one of the worst teams in the league for the next five years? Because even if you're rebuilding, you don't want to be sitting staring down that type of situation.
00:25:17
I think they're more of like they just wanna have somebody for sure.
00:25:20
Like that doesn't for nothing but Brooklyn.
00:25:23
Like, if I'm Brooklyn, I go all in like whatever.
00:25:26
If e like all these, like bridge players like, what are you gonna do, Tread water and and get it? And you can, like whatever.
00:25:34
Like you just go for it again.
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I think these teams are realizing it's a cycle of like, especially with the way player movement is now.
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Like if you're the Lakers or the Clippers and the Nets, you're in these markets like somebody will pick you again.
00:25:46
The Lakers were dead in the water.
00:25:48
They were dead like that.
00:25:49
Magic Johnson thing happened there, an absolute disaster.
00:25:54
And then they end up with LeBron and a D and win a championship.
00:25:59
Who cares? We're gonna figure this out.
00:26:02
It doesn't matter.
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I don't know.
00:26:04
That's where I'm at with that, because maybe they like, by the way, maybe it's a one and done.
00:26:07
And the Nets, They're signing a Drew holiday next offseason.
00:26:09
You know, like you could easily make that scenario play out too.
00:26:13
So I get what you're saying and and all the Nets need to accomplish is all they need to dio.
00:26:18
But if you win a championship like this in Brooklyn with these guys immediately, you have L A Lakers attracting LeBron James style cachet around the league where any superstar by themselves, other guys in.
00:26:32
So it's interesting, man, I I'm gonna be looking hot and heavy here at what the Nets could do if the hardened falls through and Bradley deal is off the table.
00:26:42
I don't know.
00:26:43
I have to player on like I'm talking about getting two options that you bring.
00:26:48
I have no clue Come back to me in mind right now is they're screwed there.
00:26:56
So screwed you.
00:27:00
By the way, you mentioned a guy in Detroit that you know that I think teams will be interested in general and that, you know, it's one of those guys that had had a really low point his career and is also developed a little bit more of an outside game now.
00:27:13
So, you know, he starts to become a little more complimentary, like in case anyone doesn't know. I'm talking about Blake Griffin.
00:27:20
You know, there's like there's a world where he is not saying in Brooklyn he's valuable to the right team with where his game is now.
00:27:28
And if healthy, like he's, he is a valuable piece that Detroit can move for something.
00:27:31
It's not the answer, you know that that wasn't the answer to the question that you were asking Brooklyn Nets fans.
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Oh yeah, it's Blake Griffin and at the same time, like every player like that gets better when they're playing on a team with Kevin Durant.
00:27:42
Kyrie Irving, like that's also the factor here.
00:27:44
Everybody gets better, including Spencer.
00:27:46
Jamie looks better when Kyrie Irving's there.
00:27:48
You know Joe Harris looks better and it has more Oper easy opportunities because you have Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving so and we saw that we saw how Harris and he did a great job developing his game.
00:27:57
But we saw how they were stymied a little bit, and he struggled to get his shot off because defense is we're like, Oh, Kyrie Irving played 20 games and he's out now guess what? We're all staying at home defensively, not worrying on pressuring somebody off the ball.
00:28:09
Even Caris Levert, Spencer Dinwiddie.
00:28:11
We'll stay at home on Joe Harris and just make this dude sweat for 48 minutes to try to get off his looks from three.
00:28:17
And he still got his percentages.
00:28:18
But there was farm or hard work, you know, for Joe Harris.
00:28:21
In order to accomplish that, Yeah.
00:28:24
I mean, look like I just I don't know.
00:28:27
I feel like I'm just rehashing the same thing, but it's just it gets really weird.
00:28:33
It just gets really weird.
00:28:34
I've never liked the roster together, and then it becomes like, Okay, you flipping somebody the Dallas and getting a You know, Dorian Finney, Smith and all these weird names.
00:28:42
I don't know it just like that.
00:28:43
So I think that's what's gonna turn into, because that's what I That's what I don't like.
00:28:47
I don't like the swap of pieces for pieces, you know, like just names for names kind of thing.
00:28:51
I think it has to be.
00:28:52
It has to be to second tier established ish kind of, you know, kind of like we're either were stars or, you know, or borderline fringe those guys right now and on the right side of the age category that you talked about it, and I'm like, I'm using Blake is the example, but, like, that's the kind of guy he was a clear, big guy, big name player doing his thing had this injury History ends up in the wasteland of the Detroit Pistons.
00:29:17
But now, when you bring a player like that to Brooklyn with these superstars, his game looks that much better for you.
00:29:24
And then you get you get to reinvent lob city with DeAndre Jordan, How fun is that? Yeah, I mean that Could that could be what it is.
00:29:30
But again, it'll have to be a really by low thing, because I just Yes, everybody like that is gonna be, but it's gonna be questions with them. With health.
00:29:39
I don't know if there's a safe guy out there.
00:29:41
I know.
00:29:42
No.
00:29:43
And think about that too, though, like, this is the way that Brooklyn doesn't mortgage its future.
00:29:45
Like this is the way that you say you want.
00:29:48
Caris Levert, Taurean Prince for Blake Griffin.
00:29:51
Whatever.
00:29:52
But you know what I mean. Like great. You got players for that.
00:29:54
We line up the salaries and it doesn't cost us multiple first round picks like just so that in the infancy, because the other thing you could talk about here with Brooklyn is when they get to the 19th pick in the NBA draft, you're talking about a team that's gonna look to maybe take if things don't break away. Wait, whatever.
00:30:09
You have a contributor now or you're looking at these European players that are going to stay over like Leandro Ball tomorrow.
00:30:14
Who's gonna continue to develop in 23 years down the line? You bring in the influx.
00:30:18
So if the Nets can hold on to draft assets, they can keep looking to target guys that fall in the first rounds fall in the second round because their developmental and that way there always keeping their pipeline kind of stocked with whatever the next way it could be or tradable assets to bring in the next player.
00:30:32
So there's a balance again.
00:30:33
There's a balancing act for teams in terms of shooting, for shooting for the championship and not totally depleting.
00:30:39
And Brooklyn is Mawr set up with recent history to be able to accomplish the rebuild on the fly with their track record.
00:30:46
But it doesn't mean that you just want to say everything and anything.
00:30:50
We'll do it all and we'll worry about it later.
00:30:52
I that is that that is a mentality that I don't I don't love, you know, but and I also totally get it.
00:30:59
So, you know, Listen, um, let's end on that.
00:31:02
I like that.
00:31:03
What? We'll see.
00:31:04
There's a lot up in the air tomorrow.
00:31:06
I think we'll have a lot of information.
00:31:07
We could get a trade tonight, I think.
00:31:08
Well, I expect a couple will be on tomorrow.
00:31:11
10:30 a.m.
00:31:13
sir.
00:31:14
So we'll be on doing this.
00:31:15
Um, yeah, that's that's pretty much everything I gotta plug today.
00:31:19
I think I have a show tomorrow night with the guy had on last week for for draft stuff I'm having him on.
00:31:25
We're talking about picks.
00:31:26
Who's getting what? So I'll be fun.
00:31:28
Should be at a dish 7.
00:31:30
30. We'll be doing that, then.
00:31:32
That's all I gotta put me.
00:31:33
Oh, you know, the only thing I listen to draft is tonight, Doug.
00:31:36
Doug Gurian myself actually together in the same physical space.
00:31:39
Uh, check me out on Twitter.
00:31:41
They look up locked on nets or out of our director, Doug Nori, and you'll find information around the locked on Network is gonna be doing a live coverage and live reaction from all the teams.
00:31:50
So at the 19 pick, assuming that stay there and make a pick, you'll hear from Doug and I with the reaction to that, if anything happens there.
00:31:58
So, yeah, that that's the big thing, Then tomorrow morning, man.
00:32:00
At the very least, if no big trades happen, at least we'll be able to talk about what happened to the draft and how teams look different now because that the draft, what moves were made and where did these players plug in? So obviously not.
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Anthony Davis reveals if James Harden, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving Big 3 can work

Rumors are swirling that James Harden wants to be traded to the Brooklyn Nets to form a big three with Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. Though the names look good together on paper, some have doubts about whether the team will actually be good. Anthony Davis of the Los Angeles Lakers shared his initial thoughts […]

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that's going to start doing this.
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Whoa.
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All right.
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I'm sorry.
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Let's just already, man.
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I think I think we're OK now.
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Hopefully, everyone enjoy Matt.
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Just really driving homeless points for you.
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Let's assume I agree with all of it.
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Yeah, everything you said.
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Well, I'm closing.
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I'm saying this.
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So basically what I tried to like rehab a couple times is like, um if the Nets can't get this done, I think they frantically try toe.
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They have to try to find another trade part.
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Or like another start a trade for it. Okay.
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Fantastic.
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Ready? It's awesome.
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Because we literally seconds ago and or six minutes ago when you lost me.
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Um, I was thinking about going into this content, this type of area where you say okay, if that deal falls through and this is the same thought process I had around, If you're the nets and you're willing to talk about bringing in a hardened, then you have to be in the market for a lot of different things.
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You have to be willing to make calls on a few different people.
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I had mentioned this guy going back to last year about if you hit the free agency market.
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Boy, you'd really like to take a look at him, don't know what the intentions are of the French Chuy's, and this is a team we just made a very low level deal with to bring in Brand.
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I go back to the Detroit Pistons if this falls through, and I consider a sign and trade possibility with Christian would.
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If you go into a lot of trade simulators around it and where the landscape is your, you could look at a three or four year deal for him anywhere from 14.
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5 up to maybe 16 17 $18 million.
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Something in that range.
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The markets a little bit fluctuated.
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Obviously, with everything that's gone on, I consider something like that.
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And maybe you even talk about if you wanna have another guy that take the ball like you want to throw in a lumpy Derrick Rose contract or whatever that may look like, whatever the case may be.
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But this is what I thought about just with with just Kevin Durant and just Kyrie Irving, this cast of characters I still thought that Christian would would be a great player to bring in if you could do it and make the money work.
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I wonder if Detroit who's clearly now in a new mode they're looking to pivot change things up a little bit.
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Derrick Rose Blake Griffin could be out the door toe anywhere, potentially not Brooklyn.
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I I just wonder, Would they be enticed by, Ah, Caris, Levert, Spencer Dinwiddie Some combination of that package, even if it involved the Jared Allen.
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And then you bring in a guy in Christian would who offers significant different upside on both ends of the floor than anything you currently have on your roster.
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And I know that's not a high level name, by the way.
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I'm not. I'm not listening.
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Him is the superstar guy like a James Harden.
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But I think a move like that, and maybe multiple moves like that could be how the Nets try to reform this roster a little bit because you said it last time.
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You mentioned all these guys names.
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They all know that they're tradable pieces for Brooklyn in some way.
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You have to move on from that.
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Like what other? What other big options would you think about? If you're Brooklyn and you can't get hard.
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I think you take the same package.
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You throat Washington.
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I did it.
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But deal is not the same thing, though.
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I get it, I get it.
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Yeah, I get that assessing air in such a bad spot.
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Like if and maybe carry because caress You know what? Maybe caress and Jared, I think, did what? He has to be gone. There's no way he didn't.
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What? He's not going to show up dinner, ladies.
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I love him and he's got a lot of pride.
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Dude, there's no like, I think I think Jared Allen.
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I mean, look, I think the packages probably Jared Allen and Den Witty and you and you bring caress back because now look, I've been like Mr like I would I would almost think about keeping Spencer Dinwiddie over Carousel for now that I know all of them have been heavily rumored in a trade.
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Oh, I'm keeping Paris because Paris is a a cool like cool as a cu***ber, like he's not going to really worry about that like that.
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So also, and also Caris, Levert is in line to be getting paid right, like he's already comfortable on a four year deal making 16 plus dimwit.
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He is still in the motive.
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I have an opt out year after this one.
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I'm trying like I'm trying to get my You're trying to get his big payday.
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That's what that's what his problem value my best values to go to, Ah, team that's bad or wherever.
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Just blow up and having a hell of a season and reset the market for myself.
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And that's why I think that what has always been kind of hey sending me out, okay? Where my head is happy to go.
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They also the issue of he's an expiring and Jared Allen wants a big extension.
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So, like, they that just makes I mean, look like that just makes sense.
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And now that we like now that it's public that they're like, Yeah, now this core kind of sucks like Z just like nice.
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Yeah, time first about, I don't know.
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I think there now they have to make like they are now bound to making a move.
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There's no way to go back, and I again like all right, I don't know, like I would think about the Bradley Beal thing.
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I really would I really would.
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I would say, Hey, Houston didn't want this package.
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Um, Bradley bills younger.
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He's not as good, but he's younger.
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So it's not like you're gonna be, you know, the worst team in the league with him if Kyrie impeding Juan.
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But that's the problem, right? And on top of what I will say is to a big factor to me is something we highlight about Harden was.
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Hey, here's an iron horse.
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You put him out there every single game.
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Still, Fielder's in this games I I and yield makes way more sense.
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Is somebody that can playoff ball because as much as much as we're saying, Well, there's a lot of talent there.
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Holy cow.
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They got to figure out the hierarchy and its use The odd man out, By the way, it's not talked about that.
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Yeah, when you talk about that, they said like Hey, you know, has a workout.
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They go.
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It kind of solves itself.
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It's Kevin Durant, and actually they said, like it's kind of James Harden first, because Kevin Durant can always get Hiss like, you know, he gets this kind of having the flow of the game.
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I'm gonna get my looks because I'm gonna always present these mismatches on that end of the floor.
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Harden is gonna get his bring up the court like Kyrie is gonna have to be the guy that gets kind of says, like, I take what I get when I get it.
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And if if he's comfortable with that in that in that situation, that is great and all works out.
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If there's egos involved in it, then it's a bit more of a problem, you know? So I guess that that that personality mashup is the question that you're asking, uh, Doug, my partner on the podcast he posted that goes, You know, it always trade simulators.
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It's Ah Kyrie for hardened straight up.
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I mean, the numbers and it all matches up.
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You know, obviously it's nothing that the Nets will be looking to do.
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But that's the thing that I don't know about.
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And to your point in the bill scenario with the Wizards, I will say if you put Caris Levert and you put Jared Allen for Biel on some other picks, it's a nice like for like and you put deal off well.
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He replaces Caris, Levert that very comfortably fits with what you currently have losing, Alan.
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It is what it is.
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You replace it with an Ibaka on an M l e.
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And everything kind of feels pretty good for you.
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So there's, um, or natural fit there with that move.
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I just I don't know.
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I feel the same way about Bill that I felt about when all the Gordon Hayward I was just like, you know, Gordon.
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Excuse me, Aaron Gordon, which is like, Like what? I get it.
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I get that he's a name.
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I understand it, but I don't know if that all right, I I don't know.
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I I know how good deal is.
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So maybe, you know, maybe I maybe I'm just getting in the weeds on it like it's an all or nothing, either It's this monstrous big three with Harden, or you should totally pivot away from that mode.
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But I guess you know that consolation prize, though.
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Does that feel like, you know, I mean, if you're Brooklyn and you've hit home runs by getting KD and Kyrie here, does it end up feeling constantly like, wow, we got we got outbid for hardened by by Boston.
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We had a pivot after we didn't get holiday, who ended up going to the Bucks? Or are the Nets doing this great thing like here? Here's a Here's a quick theory for you.
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Are the Nets also just like maybe we're driving it up? Like maybe the Bucks felt compelled to do as much as they did to get holiday, because the Nets were at least considering it may be the Celtics were willing to go as high as they will, because the Nets are considering hard and like out of all of these teams coming into this off season, the Nets, I think, are the most comfortable running it back with how their roster was currently constituted.
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I think Boston has really legitimate questions about how they would feel deep into the season.
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I think obviously, Milwaukee had riel concerns about pleasing you, honest and giving him a case to come back.
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The Nets go good.
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I mean, you know, I mean, before this came up, the Nets were like, Yeah, Caris, Levert with Spencer Dinwiddie and Jared Allen.
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We feel good about our roster.
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Maybe we wanna make a little tweet, but we didn't We didn't come into this offseason saying, like the Nets need to go get James Heart.
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They've been so third star hungry, though.
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I mean, that's my thing is like, I don't know.
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They say I get like on paper, yet makes sense, but they have a new owner.
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They have Katie and who is clearly wants another guy in there.
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Um, I don't know.
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And and like the thing is is like Brad Beal.
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I mean, that's probably the best third option in the league, like by a considerable margin like Easy.
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It's not only think it's even close, he's really good and he is a really interesting player.
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Toe have is a third guy because of the way he could playoff ball, um, and and also could just sort of run the offense when those guys are either hurt or not playing.
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I mean, so my sign and trade for Christian would did nothing for you.
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I think he's young.
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I think he's too green and I like there's a There's some questions defense that I think they were gonna have toe monitor and hey, just makes sense going somewhere younger and I don't know where it iss.
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I mean really curious case for him.
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Like a lot of big on their roster and everything else that doesn't like they're staring it down.
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I, you know, maybe there the the sign and trade may not be the wrong way to go about it.
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But I do wonder if, like, they're looking at this like, yeah, we could wonder what we could get for him, However them I would just keep him because I think he's got like, he's got star potential and he does like he is.
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There's something about him, so I don't know.
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But yeah, the Christian would think, doesn't make sense, because I just don't think timeline wise, it aligns.
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They clearly want somebody there that's at your age.
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The Nets roster is clearly getting older in a hurry, clearly aging ourselves to the 30 and above benchmark here in Brooklyn on.
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And I get that, too, and all those conversations are around that of, like again and your wind down mode.
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So it's hard to risk it on a guy where you say, Well, maybe he's going to struggle, and not even during the regular season.
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You don't think like that.
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Probably get his own right But is he going to struggle in a big playoff spot when we really need to count on? I mean, that's probably the argument you make around Jared Allen and what his value is in a trade or not.
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For all of the things that I don't particularly love about DeAndre, Jordan and his game, I also know that the very least Kevin Durant, Kyrie, Irving and even the team in general, the organization goes.
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We know exactly what he is.
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You know exactly what Jared Allen is, too.
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The problem is that, like there's always been this thing of what is the What's the more they're right, What's the ceiling there? When can you look at him and say, Watch out? He's going to start to take a game over for you on the boards and so far he has.
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You know, he flashed there in the bubble when it was just, you know Hey, it's you, Jared Allen.
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Enjoy yourself.
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But I think that's probably the bigger question to, And maybe that's the risk that Kevin Durant, however, even look and go.
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Yeah, we just don't want to see him regress potentially, and all of a sudden it diminishes the value of our roster.
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By the way, it's almost the same thing.
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It's Jared Allen, DeAndre Jordan, but for different reasons.
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Is Jared Allen's development going to stop? And it's DeAndre Jordan's production going, you know? Is he going to diminish as he gets a little bit older, like, are his legs going away from him? And are you gonna lose the value of him? I still listen, even even inside of constructing a champion caliber roster.
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I still stand by the fact that Jared Allen, on the defensive end, stretching out the defense to the perimeter, picking up on swiftly that he's still the better option over DeAndre Jordan.
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And in a world where you wanna have the best chance to win, you should be.
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You shouldn't have DeAndre Jordan on this roster for a championship caliber run, I think, yeah, Jordan is a mistake on this roster.
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That's an appea*****t Thio. Two superstars.
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I get it, and also it hurts your overall team.
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DeAndre Jordan, bring it up to nothing.
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I haven't heard a thing about DeAndre Jordan.
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Is there a world where it really have not heard a thing? I I kind of forgot about Jordan quietly making $11 million you know, quietly making $11 million on this roster.
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Uh, we we talked about Did you and I talk about this and I know at least maybe Doug and I did off.
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What? What? What was the scenario? Give me the scenario where Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, whatever.
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Sign off on DeAndre Jordan getting moved.
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And he said, I think maybe was talking When he goes, Listen, what we've got in his payday, that was thing number one. He's our buddy.
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We wanted to cash that check.
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So now we've done that for him.
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If there was a world where whether it's harden or it's deal or whatever it is, where they were like, Oh, we want DeAndre Jordan back like, Is that the move where these guys go? I get it.
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Okay, you know what I mean For that caliber player, Yeah, we'll lose one friend to gain another, because it's worth it for us to do it.
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And if Alan doesn't move the needle, but DeAndre Jordan does, and even in a salary dump situation to like, Hey, we'll take this big number here because it makes the deal lineup from another standpoint and then we have a dump Double asset in DeAndre Jordan's contract.
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Yeah, I don't by any of the whole like, Oh, we're friends that we're gonna play out the rest of our careers.
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I just I never buy it.
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I'm like, Okay, that's That's great.
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I like if you said, Oh, man, like we fast for the future.
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And I re Irving is a maverick.
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I'm like, Okay, I would totally believe that because you know what? I just like what s so much can change these guys friends, but like no, the idea to over All star break like their friends like that.
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Like how? Like, I don't know you You really become friends with somebody or you really get to know somebody when you're day in, day out in a locker room, in practice, dealing with losses, dealing with bs, dealing with media at somebody, it's different.
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It's like when you it's people always start itself.
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But it's so true.
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It's different, you know, to be friends with somebody than to be roommates with somebody.
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It's like when your roommates, your friends, that's what this is so like.
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You know, I don't know.
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We're gonna be close to me.
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Know number two.
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By the way, this is James Harden and Russell Westbrook realizing that, yeah, we're friends were not roommates.
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I tell you, I tell you what, we're not We're not two guys that want to be stuck in a house together.
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I mean, that's, you know, part of of of the Crumbling in Houston as well.
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I know there's all the other issues in and around that organization right now, but those are two guys that that for us Muchas they were complimentary about one another When it first happened, Westbrook was like, Hey, like, I wanna be the floor general on this team.
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And Harden was like, Yeah, I want the ball in my hand that I want to do what I want to dio And I kind of want everyone else to accept that what that looks like for them.
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That's egos.
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And that's everything else, but and that's a simple fact of being like Okay, that's cool.
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That means that we probably shouldn't be doing this thing together.
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Like I think again into Katie and Kyrie works together.
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I can even see the world where Katie and Kyrie and hard work together.
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But as you had said last time, like I can also see the world we're in a year.
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It's like, Okay, like, who's out of the three? And it's gonna be harder.
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Kyrie.
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By the way, it's not gonna be Kevin Durant because I think that Kevin Durant is about as comfortable as a guy as you could ever see, you know, and and he's done it before in Golden State.
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He knows what that looks like, and he also knows I've been in the room with a bunch of high end talent, and I was the M V P.
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And I was, and I don't have to do a lot to get, you know, I mean, I did a lot, but I didn't have to do a lot to convince everybody else that I am the guy, you know.
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So I wonder if that's the ego check for a Kyrie Irving James Harden, where they go beyond the guy and you're like, No, you're still not the guy you want to go and you could go to Dallas and try to be the guy.
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If you want, you can go to wherever and be the guy, but No, you're not.
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You're not that here on DATs.
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What, By the way, that's what Kyrie push for when he was in Cleveland and he wanted to be the man there and lead his own team.
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I didn't work at the time, You know all that stuff.
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So I think it plays into it.
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And and if not for the cir***stances surrounding this organization in Houston, I think James Harden would have stayed there.
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I think he would have let them strip it down around him and rebuilt it, and he'd be fine.
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Collect fine, collecting $40 million paycheck sound like.
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And I'm the man here.
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And when loser draw, I'll stay with this organization.
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It's all the other things that are happening there that I think I think are also driving a need to move in a need for a change.
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Also, it did you talked about before.
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Sorry, jumping around here, but they also kind of like I I take nobody at their word in the NBA circles.
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But the GNP is like Bradley.
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Beal is not going anywhere.
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There's been talks about John Wall getting thrown around in trade talks. Now.
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I'd also be hard pressed toe Wonder if, like even if you're Washington, you still have to think Bill May is Bill our centerpiece, at least in the short term here, like I get moving on from him but also hate the assets you get in return.
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But they could do that at another point as well, if they don't need to be pressured to flip that kind of that kind of name right now, where is John Wall? That's something that would make a lot more sense.
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If you can show up and be healthy earlier this season, you go great.
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We'll part with you.
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But Beale has proven that he is clearly that superior talent. At least right now.
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At this point, I don't know.
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I think again, like I think if they throw the packages that they've thrown harden at Washington, they have to at least consider it because I just I don't know what the What? What's the vision? Yeah, No, no, I e And I get it.
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What do you think? And do you think that if they flip that, that's what they do? They go like, hey, same package right over to you Washington Or does it go to the table in your life.
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Well, he's not James Harden.
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You know whether or not he is or isn't.
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But you're like, Well, he's no James Harden.
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But, you know, so we'll take back one of these picks.
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The first round picks will take back.
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One of swaps will keep either Spencer say, because at that 10.
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2, I would say, like keeping Spencer Dinwiddie for whatever it is.
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You can always make a move later, but Paris Lippert still going to be the piece that you send back.
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Maybe it's what share it out in the pics, then dimwit E.
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Now we're holding onto din witty and in some way, if you're doing it with Washington, I would try to drive a harder bargain of like You're taking Tory on Princess contract.
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You're taking Taurean Prince.
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You can have your choice of Caris, Levert or Din Witty and Alan whatever.
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But we're keeping one of these players inside of our roster, and there's a world where it ends up being Taurean Prince in some way.
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The money lines up because we all a zoo.
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Muchas I think fans have moved on from him.
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There's still this reality of like he hasn't existed on the Brooklyn.
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That's roster the way he's supposed to until Kevin Durant on the floor, because he played out of position his entire entire season.
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So there is his functionality.
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We don't fully know what that looks like, at least at this point, and the numbers are still lets you hot.
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Yeah, I just I'm out on T Honestly, I get the reasons why I e I don't know.
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Like what he's such a I think he's such a non asset right now that I don't just filler and that's why they made that deal.
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Um, but boy like, it's just I've always said like, this roster doesn't make sense and I think they know that.
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So I just you know, the Nets can play hardball and say I whatever, like Houston, Houston, whatever, like you guys, and you don't wanna keep them.
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But like they're in a tricky spot, they are in a tricky spot there, just as much pressure for them.
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Let me throw out another thing, too, because this is one of the things that I was hearing.
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There's a couple of players that like Westbrook, obviously market not that strong for him really, teams aren't looking apart with major assets to get him back.
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We'll take him and you'll, you know, like the Knicks would be improved with him.
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But you know, you're giving up something, you know.
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It's costing you in terms of a young player, development cetera Victor Oladipo is also being talked about is like the market.
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You know what you're gonna get for him.
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It's just been a It's been a lot softer than maybe first anticipated.
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Obviously, the hardened piece kind of throws a wrench into a lot of teams plans in terms of the pivoting thing.
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Then maybe this is what I'm talking about it that, like, how do you go and get a couple of players? Maybe if you do it, the hard thing falls through.
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Maybe you're thinking about state, Washington says.
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Sorry, man feels just he's flat. At least right now.
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He is not on the table.
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Do you put together a much a much softer, much lighter package and say We'll take a chance on Victor Oladipo and put him into this mix here and look at the defensive upside first.
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Worry about the offense later and it's not gonna cost you nearly as much to maybe get him in on to Brooklyn and say That's still improvement.
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That's in the vein of a drew holiday kind of thing.
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Let's get better defensively, not the same defensive player. The true holiday is.
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But that's what I start to wonder.
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I know it's not.
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It's ***ier, is glamorous, but I just if you're in these waters of making big moves and he's asked, these players were going somewhere cares lover again with the Allen that all Taurean Prince, they're all going somewhere.
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Name me two players that you know that you can massage and get into this roster and say Okay, Kevin Durant, Kyrie, Irving, Victor Oladipo, Joe Harris, DeAndre Jordan.
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You know. Okay.
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And now what's the second move that you can make to get another nice piece into that mix? And you go? Guess what we are.
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We're deep, were slightly improved across the board relatives where we were last year, and we're still gonna be a really talented deep playoff team.
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And we're gonna bank on the combination of star power and depth to get this thing done at the end of the day, as opposed to going bare bones and then needed to supplement.
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You can still go.
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The supplemental move of getting Ibaka in there is.
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Well, then, okay, we get, we get Victor Oladipo, we get we get Ibaka in there in the mix after losing Allen and losing Caris Levert Okay, you can I can look at that roster and say That's an improvement from where you were last year where you get the hierarchy of the East.
00:21:13
That's question debatable, but it's a step in that it is certainly a step in the right direction and doesn't mean mortgaging as much down the line and in the future.
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Yeah, I mean, I would like the thing is is like if they don't get if veal is truly unavailable, they have There is no other third star.
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That's it.
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So then you are making a move at the fringes and then for Victor Oladipo, like, are even willing to trade enmity.
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I wouldn't I would you I want you.
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I don't know why you would.
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You know what he is like.
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So it's like then it's like, Are we throwing Taurean Prince and like, protected on then? Like, why is Indiana doing that? Why? Why? Just like, See if you can keep them and raises value.
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And honestly Oh, well, you lose them at at the free agency for nothing like the deals that they're gonna get are gonna be so far from what they expect.
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So then it just becomes like you're searching the market.
00:22:04
What are you looking for, Blake Griffin? Like all these guys that you're like, I don't know.
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I I really think they need to nail this hard thing.
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And that's what this comes down Thio, because after that, it gets really weird or you just bring the roster back and you say, Maybe that's the question, but that's that I said this before, but you can wait it out until the trade deadline and see what surfaces there and then make those moves.
00:22:24
But that that's the only question is like and you said it and I tend to agree, like, Hey, you're muddying these waters Now.
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Most of these players didn't witty.
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I think they all understood that were on Lee placeholders at best.
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We talked about this yesterday, like all these names have been talked about going back to last year, and Bradley Beal talks and everything else like all these guys have been talked about in trade, so it's not like they're unaware of it.
00:22:45
Um, but I just I just wonder, have you already kind of made that commitment off? Yeah, we looked around the roster and we all agree none of you guys are good enough for us to win a championship with.
00:22:55
So what is the result on the court early in the season? You know? What do you What are you getting from? I think Carisa Bertel always do is saying I'll tell you what Some Spencer Dinwiddie He'd become a problem.
00:23:04
I think pretty quickly I think that he would become pretty disgruntled.
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And I love Spencer Dinwiddie, but I think he would be a problem that you would have to move that you have to probably move Spencer Dinwiddie, whatever that looks like.
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Star No star package, no package.
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You put because I think that he's the kind of guy that's going to be pretty vocal when he has those big gains.
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He's going to get even more vocal about it.
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I love him that I'd rather him be that I would trade Caris Levert before I would trade Spencer Dinwiddie in terms of the value to this team and this roster.
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But I don't think that's how Brooklyn necessarily looks at it.
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Yeah, no.
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And this contract thing as well.
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Just didn't I'll say again then.
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What is a guy that I would bring back on another contract if you moved off Spencer Dinwiddie off of Caris Levert like dimwit? He's not gonna go out there and earn a $20 million your contract next offseason.
00:23:55
So if he's a 10 to 12 12 million right now, do you think someone will throw in 20? I mean, I mean, maybe maybe they will, you know, maybe the wrong team, maybe A.
00:24:03
You know, maybe a team makes a poor choice, but I'm just saying, like like at his age again, when you think about like beyond these contracts for these superstars, there's a world where I go, man, You know what? I wouldn't hate having around this roster if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving lead after one contract.
00:24:18
I wouldn't hate still having Spencer Dinwiddie and Joe Harris and Jared Allen like it's not ***y team, but that's a nice base.
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That's a nice baseline of players that I wouldn't mind carrying over just a feather.
00:24:29
The timeline for a couple of seasons as you rebuild and look for the next set of stars you're gonna bring in like And that's what I wonder about Sean Marks in general, whether it's through the draft, whether it's some of the other, like going getting Brown.
00:24:40
He's a nice guy that you can have on this roster and say, Look how young he is.
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We can keep him for a length here if he starts to develop into a nice, nice piece for us.
00:24:48
Like that's the balancing act that any of these jams they're doing is like, Boy, how do we shoot the moon right now and not also Billy King? This thing where we end up just going Oh, my God, guys, what do you think decade, decade or so before we're back in the mix like and that's the same thing for Houston right now.
00:25:04
They're saying, like, how how do we How do we get rid of Harden and not make ourselves one of the worst teams in the league for the next five years? Because even if you're rebuilding, you don't want to be sitting staring down that type of situation.
00:25:17
I think they're more of like they just wanna have somebody for sure.
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Like that doesn't for nothing but Brooklyn.
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Like, if I'm Brooklyn, I go all in like whatever.
00:25:26
If e like all these, like bridge players like, what are you gonna do, Tread water and and get it? And you can, like whatever.
00:25:34
Like you just go for it again.
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I think these teams are realizing it's a cycle of like, especially with the way player movement is now.
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Like if you're the Lakers or the Clippers and the Nets, you're in these markets like somebody will pick you again.
00:25:46
The Lakers were dead in the water.
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They were dead like that.
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Magic Johnson thing happened there, an absolute disaster.
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And then they end up with LeBron and a D and win a championship.
00:25:59
Who cares? We're gonna figure this out.
00:26:02
It doesn't matter.
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I don't know.
00:26:04
That's where I'm at with that, because maybe they like, by the way, maybe it's a one and done.
00:26:07
And the Nets, They're signing a Drew holiday next offseason.
00:26:09
You know, like you could easily make that scenario play out too.
00:26:13
So I get what you're saying and and all the Nets need to accomplish is all they need to dio.
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But if you win a championship like this in Brooklyn with these guys immediately, you have L A Lakers attracting LeBron James style cachet around the league where any superstar by themselves, other guys in.
00:26:32
So it's interesting, man, I I'm gonna be looking hot and heavy here at what the Nets could do if the hardened falls through and Bradley deal is off the table.
00:26:42
I don't know.
00:26:43
I have to player on like I'm talking about getting two options that you bring.
00:26:48
I have no clue Come back to me in mind right now is they're screwed there.
00:26:56
So screwed you.
00:27:00
By the way, you mentioned a guy in Detroit that you know that I think teams will be interested in general and that, you know, it's one of those guys that had had a really low point his career and is also developed a little bit more of an outside game now.
00:27:13
So, you know, he starts to become a little more complimentary, like in case anyone doesn't know. I'm talking about Blake Griffin.
00:27:20
You know, there's like there's a world where he is not saying in Brooklyn he's valuable to the right team with where his game is now.
00:27:28
And if healthy, like he's, he is a valuable piece that Detroit can move for something.
00:27:31
It's not the answer, you know that that wasn't the answer to the question that you were asking Brooklyn Nets fans.
00:27:36
Oh yeah, it's Blake Griffin and at the same time, like every player like that gets better when they're playing on a team with Kevin Durant.
00:27:42
Kyrie Irving, like that's also the factor here.
00:27:44
Everybody gets better, including Spencer.
00:27:46
Jamie looks better when Kyrie Irving's there.
00:27:48
You know Joe Harris looks better and it has more Oper easy opportunities because you have Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving so and we saw that we saw how Harris and he did a great job developing his game.
00:27:57
But we saw how they were stymied a little bit, and he struggled to get his shot off because defense is we're like, Oh, Kyrie Irving played 20 games and he's out now guess what? We're all staying at home defensively, not worrying on pressuring somebody off the ball.
00:28:09
Even Caris Levert, Spencer Dinwiddie.
00:28:11
We'll stay at home on Joe Harris and just make this dude sweat for 48 minutes to try to get off his looks from three.
00:28:17
And he still got his percentages.
00:28:18
But there was farm or hard work, you know, for Joe Harris.
00:28:21
In order to accomplish that, Yeah.
00:28:24
I mean, look like I just I don't know.
00:28:27
I feel like I'm just rehashing the same thing, but it's just it gets really weird.
00:28:33
It just gets really weird.
00:28:34
I've never liked the roster together, and then it becomes like, Okay, you flipping somebody the Dallas and getting a You know, Dorian Finney, Smith and all these weird names.
00:28:42
I don't know it just like that.
00:28:43
So I think that's what's gonna turn into, because that's what I That's what I don't like.
00:28:47
I don't like the swap of pieces for pieces, you know, like just names for names kind of thing.
00:28:51
I think it has to be.
00:28:52
It has to be to second tier established ish kind of, you know, kind of like we're either were stars or, you know, or borderline fringe those guys right now and on the right side of the age category that you talked about it, and I'm like, I'm using Blake is the example, but, like, that's the kind of guy he was a clear, big guy, big name player doing his thing had this injury History ends up in the wasteland of the Detroit Pistons.
00:29:17
But now, when you bring a player like that to Brooklyn with these superstars, his game looks that much better for you.
00:29:24
And then you get you get to reinvent lob city with DeAndre Jordan, How fun is that? Yeah, I mean that Could that could be what it is.
00:29:30
But again, it'll have to be a really by low thing, because I just Yes, everybody like that is gonna be, but it's gonna be questions with them. With health.
00:29:39
I don't know if there's a safe guy out there.
00:29:41
I know.
00:29:42
No.
00:29:43
And think about that too, though, like, this is the way that Brooklyn doesn't mortgage its future.
00:29:45
Like this is the way that you say you want.
00:29:48
Caris Levert, Taurean Prince for Blake Griffin.
00:29:51
Whatever.
00:29:52
But you know what I mean. Like great. You got players for that.
00:29:54
We line up the salaries and it doesn't cost us multiple first round picks like just so that in the infancy, because the other thing you could talk about here with Brooklyn is when they get to the 19th pick in the NBA draft, you're talking about a team that's gonna look to maybe take if things don't break away. Wait, whatever.
00:30:09
You have a contributor now or you're looking at these European players that are going to stay over like Leandro Ball tomorrow.
00:30:14
Who's gonna continue to develop in 23 years down the line? You bring in the influx.
00:30:18
So if the Nets can hold on to draft assets, they can keep looking to target guys that fall in the first rounds fall in the second round because their developmental and that way there always keeping their pipeline kind of stocked with whatever the next way it could be or tradable assets to bring in the next player.
00:30:32
So there's a balance again.
00:30:33
There's a balancing act for teams in terms of shooting, for shooting for the championship and not totally depleting.
00:30:39
And Brooklyn is Mawr set up with recent history to be able to accomplish the rebuild on the fly with their track record.
00:30:46
But it doesn't mean that you just want to say everything and anything.
00:30:50
We'll do it all and we'll worry about it later.
00:30:52
I that is that that is a mentality that I don't I don't love, you know, but and I also totally get it.
00:30:59
So, you know, Listen, um, let's end on that.
00:31:02
I like that.
00:31:03
What? We'll see.
00:31:04
There's a lot up in the air tomorrow.
00:31:06
I think we'll have a lot of information.
00:31:07
We could get a trade tonight, I think.
00:31:08
Well, I expect a couple will be on tomorrow.
00:31:11
10:30 a.m.
00:31:13
sir.
00:31:14
So we'll be on doing this.
00:31:15
Um, yeah, that's that's pretty much everything I gotta plug today.
00:31:19
I think I have a show tomorrow night with the guy had on last week for for draft stuff I'm having him on.
00:31:25
We're talking about picks.
00:31:26
Who's getting what? So I'll be fun.
00:31:28
Should be at a dish 7.
00:31:30
30. We'll be doing that, then.
00:31:32
That's all I gotta put me.
00:31:33
Oh, you know, the only thing I listen to draft is tonight, Doug.
00:31:36
Doug Gurian myself actually together in the same physical space.
00:31:39
Uh, check me out on Twitter.
00:31:41
They look up locked on nets or out of our director, Doug Nori, and you'll find information around the locked on Network is gonna be doing a live coverage and live reaction from all the teams.
00:31:50
So at the 19 pick, assuming that stay there and make a pick, you'll hear from Doug and I with the reaction to that, if anything happens there.
00:31:58
So, yeah, that that's the big thing, Then tomorrow morning, man.
00:32:00
At the very least, if no big trades happen, at least we'll be able to talk about what happened to the draft and how teams look different now because that the draft, what moves were made and where did these players plug in? So obviously not.

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