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So let's start with you Joe.
How you How you doing this evening? How are you? How are you recovering from this? Uh, this heartbreaking sort of loss that the bill suffered at the hands of the Arizona Cardinals.
That just won't get off my television.
Still grumpy, Uh, still grumpy on.
And I said it in my show on Monday.
The problem that I had with the entire thing was the team didn't look good, right? I mean, there was an aspect to like The team just didn't play well, and it happens.
And I was resolved with the fact that it was like, You know, sometimes you come out and the matchup is what the matchup is, and you don't play well and it seems like the Bills didn't weren't playing well.
The run wasn't working, and Allen was a little flat.
The biggest benefit for me take away was like again, if this is Allen's floor to 85 2 touchdowns, two interceptions, like give me that all day, right? And everything.
All of myself, like with four minutes left in the game that you know what? Hey, if this if this is it, this is a loss.
I'm good with it.
I was kind of compiling notes in my mind.
And then Josh Allen did Josh Allen things, and he literally in three minutes drove them down the field and, like, scored a game winning touchdown on a freaking passed.
It was like crazy, insane, like that wasn't an easy pass.
It was like I think area It was like, 45 their yards or something like that to Stefon Diggs.
And it was like the whole narrative flipped.
It was like like it was unbelievable.
And I was like, No way.
In 34 seconds can they do this? No way through And then, sure enough, you know, completely ripped from us and just crushed me, and I literally didn't know where to go from there.
I was like, I don't know, I don't I don't know how to feel at this point, like, and it just kind of was like, uh, all right, and I kind of haven't recovered.
Yeah, we we made the comment on on our podcast last night.
It's not that we lost.
It is the way we lost that.
We want to thank uh, Dan Brown here real quick with super chatty said, You look different.
You get a haircut? Yes. Rico.
Got a haircut? Which one of you? We were joking before the show.
I think Clay could take the honors of Enrico.
Oh, I doesn't mean I have Thio.
I saw someone in the chat.
I think that means I have to hate on Dawson knocks all night.
Uh, Clay, how are you feeling after? Because I know you haven't had a chance to respond yet.
How are you feeling after sunday's loss? Yeah, it was tough.
I mean, I got through all the stages of grief pretty quickly, which was really good, but it was It was It's, you know, it's a hard pill to swallow.
When when you do something like that, especially, you know, my age I haven't really been around for heartbreaking losses like this for the bills.
Uh, I'm just always been mad.
So you got a lot of you know I can't wait.
I mean, you know, I haven't That's kind of my first big one.
You know, I was four years old.
Music City miracles.
So, um, yeah, this is kind of the first big pain for me.
Um, but yeah, I I got through pretty quick just because, you know, DeAndre Hopkins did with DeAndre.
Hopkins does on and, you know, trade did everything he could.
He had his hand under the ball and everything.
He almost pulled it out.
He was doing he, you know, from the angle that he came from, that was amazing.
But yeah, I mean, the the whole second half the bills, the offense couldn't do anything.
So it kind of like Joe was saying is like You Well, this is probably gonna be lost like we blew this game, you know? We gave it to him, and then yeah, and then Josh Allen, You know, fourth quarter, Josh finally showed up on the last drive there and that, and it's something that he's done, you know, a lot of times before, maybe 10 times before at this point.
And, uh and so, yeah.
I mean, that's the state that sustainable.
We've seen him do it before, And DeAndre Hopkins catching that ball, that's, you know, it happens sometimes, so it makes the division a little more interesting.
But but other than that, I think you know, the bills could still beat anyone, and they showed that Cardinals because the Cardinals are a great team and and the Bills went out, they went blow for blow with them.
And you know that kid, That blow for blow came down to the final seconds of the game in regards in regards to that last play, the DeAndre Hopkins catch.
You know the problem that I have with it is not one of them tried to knock the ball down.
And for and and And if you were a little bit older, Clay, uh, you would see that That's a recurring theme, going all the way back to Nate Clements and Byron Leftwich in a home opener that I attended, which I kind of referenced in my pot as well, Where all Nate had to do was knocked the ball down and he didn't.
He tried to go for the interception.
More importantly, to me was the fact that Jordan Boyer, like it's a jump ball situation.
Why, instead of going for the ball, why did he he not just trying to knock the whole entire crowd out? Like, why did he not shoulder the entire crowd? Does that make sense like just blow the blow? All three of them up.
Like, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna hit him all, like the ball there.
If the ball was there at that point, get them all just just just pop plowing all three of them.
But what I was thinking at that point is the balls in the air, you've got three guys there, you know, Was there no discussion about Hey, you know, if there's some kind of jump all scenario, I feel like, you know, it doesn't happen often where this is even a thing where it's gonna be that Hail Mary jump all in the end zone.
But you gotta be ready for that situation where it's like, Okay, if it's on this side of the field far side safety, you go for the guy.
Don't you know? Don't worry about the ball.
Don't worry about even batting the ball down.
You just hit the guy as soon as the ball hits his hands and then, you know, you kind of have all your bases covered.
So I was surprised that all three of those guys just went straight up for the ball.
Can I bring up something that to me is probably more heartbreaking than DeAndre Hopkins catch.
Uh, the Buffalo Bills, third quarter after the Cole Beasley touchdown.
Like we could make the argument.
We could make the argument that all of this would be moot if in the six drives in the in the third quarter, where the Buffalo Bills completely shut down like they went three and out. Three and out.
Three and out. Three and out. Turnover Turnover.
Penalty penalty penalty Like the third quarter after the cold, busy touchdown was abysmal in Arizona.
Nothing run when we were up 23 to 9.
Clay, I want your take.
Like, what were your thoughts on the Buffalo Bills performance in that third quarter? Like, what do we got to do to get out of that rut coming out of halftime? And And who's to blame for us always seemingly not being able to respond quickly enough when when the defense makes adjustments is that on the OCR is on the quarterback.
I think it's probably mawr on Brian table, and it is on Josh Allen.
I mean, when when you're a quarterback and you're coming out at halftime, you do.
You kind of do need to spark, sometimes to kinda ignite that and get going.
Um, but I think the play calling.
I remember just being so upset with the play calling.
They were trying to run the ball when they should have been running the ball.
Um, when, especially when passing the ball.
You know, I think I don't know if that comment got to him that Pete Carroll made where, you know, they were saying, Oh, I didn't know he was just gonna band in the run.
Maybe he was like, Oh, they think I'm just gonna pass it.
Well, now I'm gonna run it, too.
But we can't run the ball.
So, like, it's so frustrating when when he's just trying toe run these plays that just aren't effective and haven't been effective, and he's still trying to do them.
So I mean, you know, the bill's gonna take a deep dive, I guess.
Try and figure out what the run game was, but I really think that that was what the problem way don't have to look very far.
Um, but yeah, so I mean, ah, lot of it falls on table with the play calling.
I think he needs to be his.
His biggest step forward is third quarter play calling.
It's been a weakness of his from the very start of his.
You know his job here is D O.
C, and he just hasn't really improved with yet.
I'm gonna be that guy, though.
Why is it on? Why is it I'm Brian, David and Josh Allen? In nine minutes, the Bills evaporated a 23 to 9 lead like the defense gave up.
What, 17 points in nine minutes.
I just don't understand what turnovers in a 12 yard punt.
That's a bad field position on.
I gotta Cory before Jersey on the way.
Yo, what's your fault, then you come on.
I just I think there's blame to go around.
I think there's blame to go around.
The funny thing about the funny thing about this whole sequence of the third quarter that we're talking about is how fast and I'm not here to necessarily call out other platforms and other networks.
But how fast? Because we heard in the first half first quarter to a half of the season about how, like the third, the third quarter is not a big deal.
And you know, the bills aren't taking their foot off the gas, and they're not, You know, they're not like taking their They're keeping their next on the foot of the next of the of the opponent, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, you know, there.
There's other networks talking about, like the antithesis or the opposite of what we've been talking about about the third quarter being a problem.
And then McDermott comes out third.
It was either post game Sunday or Monday and says, We've got a problem in the third quarter.
We're gonna take the bye week to figure it out.
And now all of a sudden it's like the bills have a problem the third quarter, and it's like, Yeah, we've all been talking about it like the Bills.
A problem with the third quarter.
There was numbers that came out.
I got a screenshot somewhere, but like it's bad, like the point differentials alone, I could look it up.
I don't think I saw that tweet while while you dio John John Damar, she wants to take us down memory lane.
He wants to go back to D hop here, he says number one Wide right.
Music City, Miracles Why it just stop.
Just stop Number three.
Harmon dropped versus Cleveland and 89 Number four fouls to Ron Smith in the 81 playoffs.
We're going back here now.
There's more than John.
There's more than this.
The unbelievable late game Choke versus Dallas and New England on national TV.
Was that the Dallas game? I was at the Dallas and doing game.
I'll raise you Willie Parker game.
The Willie Parker game.
Yet what? All we have to do is win against the third stringers against Tommy Maddox and Willie Parker.
So, John Yeah, we're I mean, we're with you, man.
This this goes up there.
But he says, Hey, using this fuel or fade away How about the home opener against the Jets? When we went to overtime? Drew Bledsoe.
It was Drew Bledsoe year.
I think it was his third e was at that game.
First freaking play of overtime kick return.
I was at that game as well.
Bills loose and you gotta be kidding me right now.
You gotta be kidding me.
Yeah. Stevie, Drop.
All the TV drop.
Yeah, was, It doesn't count.
Does it count when we suck, though, like does the bad ones count when we suck? Right, So that is much.
Jack uh, somebody named Caitlin Jones, who is a Blue Check put out the bill's point differential this year is plus seven on the entire year.
And Marcello Louise Jack said the Bills air 50 plus 51 in the first half, plus 50 freaking one in the first half, plus two in the fourth quarter, minus 46 in the third.
Don't try to tell me that they have a problem like that.
They don't have a problem with third quarter. They got a problem.
There's a problem.
And that comes down.
Thio coaching, too, because I said it on Thursday's show.
I didn't expect Vance Joseph to be able to outmaneuver Brian Table because I have little to no faith advanced Joseph.
I think he's one of the worst coaches, the national football.
So I'm like like I have no respect for the man.
None, and the way that he was able to, uh, to dominate Brian Table for that those those 67 possessions there, it might not have been the whole game.
But but being able to stun him for those 67 possessions gave Arizona exactly what they needed to get a lead in that football game.
Yeah, but there was.
There was just questionable **** stuff.
Sorry, there's this question.
A show? Yeah, it get's how mad I am.
Like, I don't swear.
That's like its first.
It's like the It's the It's the delayed wide receiver screen on 30 39 to digs.
It's like what is going on right now? Like who runs a delayed wide receiver screen.
Like where Alan like, trots out to his left and turned around and throws it back to digs.
It's like for what it is like.
Everybody saw that coming.
It was like it was I'm just angry.
You gotta come in here from from my man, one of the original Bills guys listeners read.
I think what hurt me the most was the thought that Digs was probably How was that Digs? Probably probably having.
After that play, the man makes an amazing play, and he was let down Josh Josh Allen to Yeah, he was on the sideline, yelling, Go defense! Let's go defense.
Yeah, because And here's what I'm gonna say to like the Josh Allen stuff bugs me because all week it was Kyler Murray Kyler Murray Kyler Murray, like Josh Allen, is getting like after his four game start.
Josh Allen was like the very last sentence in the EVP conversation on national TV.
Oh, by the way, that Josh Allen guy, How about him? And they're like, Hey needs to prove it.
Kyler Murray all of a sudden comes out and has goes on a heater, and he's like the cream of the crop like he's like the belle of the ball.
And I'm gonna put cast that aside because I understand where the biases against Josh down come from.
But Stefon Diggs is leading the NFL in receiving, and he's invisible, like the conversations they have about best wide receivers of the game.
Where is Stefon Diggs? In these conversations, he's nowhere to be found, and D hop gets to steal sort of that national spotlight once again.
When when Stefon Diggs is number one leading the NFL in receiving and number two made Justus exceptional reply.
I think he retweeted the picture of him catching the ball and he said, Anything is pot.
Nothing is impossible and I e I was like actually, you guys making the playoffs is probably impossible s so there's that.
But yeah, no, it's, uh the whole thing is just It's just the only good news, the in retrospect.
And it's like as Bills fans as bills Mafia, everybody, that's that's listening to this.
You know there's 137 people in here or that they can view us all.
All the all the people, the comments, you, me, clay, everybody that's on our network and every network.
We've always avoided the highlight shows after Bills lost, especially one like this, just because it's like duck and cover right, because it's like they're just gonna blow us up one.
And that's one thing that hasn't happened, Everybody.
All the highlight shows shows have talked about like how great of a game it was.
It was back and forth, and Josh Allen, like Shrek's Today, Peter Schrager today came on and said, Josh on made me a believer on that final drive.
He was amazing and I was like, He's been doing that for two years.
On final drives right? Exactly where you get like hasn't been his best year in the fourth quarter.
It wasn't even his best fourth quarter final drive.
No, like he's finally just putting it together in quarter one quarter to two matches.
Quarter four performance.
Now he's like three out of them, and it will be in the EVP, exactly.
But what's interesting is the narrative is kind of beginning to change.
We're kind of for the nation, were kind of is going away from being the same old bills and, like we're just a trash football team that kinda gets lucky once in a while.
No, they're a good football team, like they just lost.
They lost yesterday on a really weird Hail Mary play on, just like, Oh, this is because I've been avoiding it.
I have not been watching.
It's been it's been interesting to watch for sure, like even like the in the aftermath and all that stuff like and then freaking out.
I didn't see the quote.
I was in a meeting today when I saw full through my twitter.
So you get to listen to.
But even Colin Coward today said that winning in the last game.
How married does not make you a better team than the other team, and it's like, Alright, okay, Collins just jealous because Cliff steals all his West Coast swag.
But e mean man Cliff Kingsbury didn't deserve to win that game because you guys see the home he gets to go home to the house.
He needs to go home through on draft day.
You? Oh, yeah, he's my neighbor.
He's He lives right next door.
I go over there all the time.
The problem that I had with that statement is the fact that they're just a poorly coached football team.
There was not a whole lot about that football game in which, when I where I saw coaching where I was like, Wow, they're like out coaching us big team coaches in the NFL like hes in the he he coaches in the NFL like he's still in the Big 12.
Correct? Yeah, When's the last time you saw a defensive delay of game? That was pretty funny? Yeah, right.
And that was on the double.
The double time out, right? It happens like that za double time out tweeted it and like, convened, they went to a commercial.
Convenient came back and they were like, Well, we got that wrong.
They called two timeouts on the road was like, Thank God! So I thought for sure we're gonna lose that one.
So I have a couple of more things about this Cardinals game that I want to talk about, and then we'll get into sort of the meat potatoes of this show today, which is the race for the A F C East cause we got to bring up the Miami Dolphins and what the Miami Dolphins air doing.
But going back to the third quarter and and Clay you mentioned, the Bills were trying to run the ball.
I'm trying to watch the U B game while also doing this, and you've just got interception in the end zone up 28 to 3, By the way, they might be the best team Buffalo.
Uh, anyway, you mentioned you mentioned that they shouldn't have even been trying to run the football before we get into the problems with run game.
I was honestly generally surprised by the lack of 10 personnel by the lack of gave Davis on the field the same time as John Brown.
It seemed like what Tyler Kroft out to be a perfect opportunity to go.
Four receivers use gave Davis in the slot.
Get that big body over the middle.
But instead, it seemed like Brian Table, you know, sort of double down on the on the on.
The 11 personnel, he split out.
Dawson knocks. He split out. Devin Singletary.
I understand the reasoning for that because it helps Josh Allen read the coverages.
But do you think we should have seen more gave Davis on the field before John Brown got hurt? Yeah, definitely.
Because because the 12% or excuse me, um, you know, having that having that for Wet set its work for them so well the whole season.
I mean, the first four games, that was all they were running and, you know, being able to spread out the defense and have four guys like that, that air great pass catchers and great route runners, you know, you know, maybe Davis is probably the weakest, as faras route running goes, but he's still a great player, and, you know, for a rookie, you know, he's kind of he's a great He's a steel, Pretty much so, Yeah.
We need to have him on the field more.
And, you know, John Brown got hurt eventually.
There was later in the game, but, um, yeah, I mean, when when John Brown was out and we had to use gave Davis in that in that role, that kind of like, you know, number to roll three offense just wasn't as effective.
But when you can have him in there as an extra little ****e, then it's gonna work out because people are gonna you think about covering him.
And he's still a good receiver that you can target a decent amount and yeah, I mean, Dawson knocks.
Since I'm Rico today, Dawson Knox should not be on the field, But no, I think Dawson Knox is being overused.
Um, he's, you know, we haven't really seen anything from him this year.
He's kind of regrets quite a bit.
So, you know, But gave gave us out there to see if he could do something.
Yeah, we gotta we gotta comment here from from Brian, Brian Bowers.
And he says, let's not avoid the fact that Alan could have thrown three picks to Peterson, man table And Alan can be stubborn a f at times forcing the ball downfield.
But, you know, you got Joe.
You gotta come in here with my comment is like when you throw the ball 49 times.
What do you expect? Eso it.
So this is on the table thing.
So, John FINA on the off tackle that was one of the big takeaways that I have with my show with John Fien a couple weeks ago was like Jonah Feet.
John feels like they need to work the underneath stuff.
You know, The dig said last week in his presser that that Beasley is always open.
And the weird thing about the situation is Allen and and under over concept.
And it's always gonna take the guy deep and like everybody knows that he will.
There was a couple plays in the replays where you saw Dawson knocks, or whoever like wide open in the flats or just five yards downfield.
And Alan just won't take him, which is, I think, part of the reason that they kept trying to run the ball like there was like, we're gonna force this short the short stuff if Alan is not gonna throw the ball short.
And the weird part about that is he always does when it matters, which is in the fourth quarter on the last drive.
That's when Allen's like clutch.
I'm gonna take what you're gonna give me.
If you just did that every single game, it would be almost a completely different offense.
But Alan, just as much as he said, I'm not gonna be Captain Checkdown.
But I'm also gonna take what the defense is.
He has regressed a little bit, and he regrets, is a little bit of times in certain games where he just won't take what the defense gives him.
If he lived on the underneath stuff, dude, Cole Beasley could be leading the league right now in targets, receptions and yards and touchdowns.
Probably if Alan would just go at him and it would, it would suck the whole defense up right, and then all that overtop stuff would be there.
And that's another problem, too, that I talked about that.
His trajectory is off again.
He's now like hard line in the ball to people 40 yards downfield, 50 yards down field, which is a problem like you can't just that rainbow ball that Kyler through is what you wanna throw.
Russell Wilson throws the most beautiful rainbow pass Or when Allen's like it just doesn't work.
Yeah, and, you know, kind of snowballing there.
Um, it's just I completely lost my train of thought.
I will take over. Sorry.
You gotta go. Footballs.
And I started daydreaming e was talking about.
I was talking about unicorns and rainbow.
Yeah, way got we got John coming back. John again.
We appreciate the super chat is always he says 51 year old Bills fan game killed me.
But guy next to me at the Clevelander in Miami Beach had five grand on Moneyline straight up on the bills.
He had, in fact, the worst day I had the bills.
I had the bills.
Winning is part of a partly.
So yeah, that was him and Dave Portner for me.
Uh oh, no, I didn't see that one.
That was good Little.
There's several videos of Portnoy watching that game like and just the funny thing about Portnoy being a New England Patriots fan is that he has become a bills.
He loves Bills Mafia, and he's become kind of a fan.
And he was, like, half his base, right? And he loves Josh Allen.
So, like like when Josh down through that game game winning touchdown like he was like, fist pumping and going crazy.
And he sat there just like all of Bill's Mafia when that.
Like when? That When? When? When did have caught that ball.
He was just like, yeah, and all of these guys were like, What was the spread in that game? Was it 1.
5? 4.5? I think.
The Bills beat the spread because Arizona was favorite, right? You take the money, you get the money line.
Anyway, since I remember my thought now, thank you for bringing up, you know, getting getting the ball short.
Kind of kind of going back to that with with Beasley.
You know, getting Beasley involved in something they should have done right after the Titans game. They should have seen.
Okay, they're dropping everybody back.
It's Beasley time, and I think you know what you're saying about.
He needs to take advantage of those short passes.
That's exactly it.
Because He's got too much of a threat that Brett Farve mentality, where it's touchdowns first until the fourth quarter, and he's like, I can't score a touchdown right now.
I actually got to drive us down the field and win the game, so you know he has too much of that gun slinger mentality.
Sometimes when you throw the ball you know 45 times a game, you need to use some of those throws as runs and get it to the short guy in space because we can't run the ball.
We suck at it because Brian winners will not leave the field for some reason.
So way have Thio.
We have to be ableto take advantage of those short plays because the defense is gonna drop back.
They are afraid of letting Stefon Diggs get past them and letting you know John Brown when he's healthy, get past them.
So if they're gonna drop him back, you have to hit the short game.
And not just on a John Brown screen past either.
Yeah, and Clay, I think you just you need to let the build staff do their diligence and do their deep, deep dive before they Yeah, Before they decide.
I doubt that it's frying winners e.
I mean, you guys are not.
None of you guys are feeling like Mitch Morris is actually benched, right? I I feel like I feel like Mitch Morse was an emergency backup and that they were like, You know what? He probably could play, but we're gonna hold them back because these three guys had a pretty decent last two games.
We'll give them that extra week of rest, but we'll have him there in case someone gets hurt.
I felt like that was the situation.
But why? Why in the world, Sean McDermott just didn't say that Postgame was.
He just was he trying to fire people up like because all he did was was drama.
What you said is the logic.
We're all of Bill's.
Mom is concerned about the fact that he got another concussion clearly after what happened last year in preseason, when he missed all of pre season because of a concussion, and that's when we were all woke to it.
It's like, Oh, he's got a history of this, but the problem is like, you know, McDermott says.
At the end of that whole entire briefing, he says.
We're going to decide week to week what the best five is, and it's like, Oh, well, that changes this conversation completely.
But you're talking about Erin Quinn.
Put it out there like you put it out there that, like, he's like, I'm not gonna like.
I'm gonna trust the process.
I'm not gonna prejudge or, like, try to predict what the Bills intentions are.
And I literally responded with You're talking about a staff that walked Quinton Spain out the door to keep Brian Winters on the field, and he deleted his tweet.
He's like I've deleted by tweet.
I'm just gonna wait to see what happens, because that's a fact.
That's a fact, like I don't know what the answer is.
All right, We got another super chat here from Brian.
I was appreciated. Brian.
I was loyal listener, a loyal viewer, he says.
Okay, let's talk about the run defense fellow.
So this will be our last talking point before we get into the race for the A F C East.
Let's talk about our run defense because that is the biggest problem we have.
I don't know why teams don't run on us every play.
I'm I'm kind of with you. I don't know why.
Just run the ball to me.
In my opinion, it's because our defensive line is full of a bunch of three texts and pass rushers.
But what do you what? Do your thoughts on that play? Yeah, it's I've talked about it before, and this was kind of, you know, middle, you know, kind of kind of coming off the first quarter this season.
Um, there's no, there's no big guy to take up a double team on.
That's just letting those those guards run free.
So you know those guards are able to reach the second level.
No problem, because there's no there's no defensive tackle down there that that necessitates a double team at any point.
You know, like Aaron Donald.
When you go, you will.
You might wanna put three guys on him because if you only put one guy on him, he's going to make a play.
There's no one on the Bills defensive line where an offensive coordinator goes into the game, saying, This is a guy that we need to watch out for.
We need to double team him as much as possible because they can put a hat on a hat and the block will work out fine.
And then they could send that other guy to go take out Tremaine Edmunds.
Which is one of the reasons why Tremaine Edmunds is looking so bad this year, I think is because of that lack of, you know, a big guy to take up the block.
Um, you know, he's not doing as well for other reasons as well.
I think he's having trouble dealing with that, first of all, And, you know, without his buddy Matt Milano next to him, it makes it tougher for him.
And, you know, Lorenzo Alexander being gone.
There's a lot of reasons why he regrets this season.
But, um, you know, that is definitely one of the bigger ones where it's we have no one that that is a threat in that.
In the middle of that defensive line, can at Oliver be that threat, or is he just not physically big enough to be that threat? He's playing out of position right now, so he's playing out of position and he's playing well.
So there's a zoo much as he's invisible.
It's because of the position they've got him playing.
He's so he's playing one right and he's gonna one technique guy and he's holding his own, which is good.
It goes much deeper than even that.
I mean, it goes down to the fact that the Bills can't tackle like this is the worst tackling defense I think we've seen since the Rex defense, Right? Well, I guess they came in after Rex.
It's just awful like there's there's no guy that's making tackles in Open Fields.
It's just every every first tackler that's there, that they're not.
They're not rallying to the football.
They're not playing rally.
They're not playing rally.
There's just a lot of problems.
I don't That's why I think Dane Jackson should be the starter at CB two because he seems the most like the most aggressive tackler physical.
He's the most physical of them all.
As physical as he is, Levi Wall.
Certainly in his physicals he is.
I think, that danger axon has earned a right to start like he played well last game, eh? So that should be interesting to see as we come out of the bye week.
What they do with that c b to position? Did somebody ask us in Spanish where Rico is? Yeah, I put Bosacki Rico, which means Come here, Rico, that's awesome.
So not only are they asking us in English where Rico is, they're now asking us in multiple languages where, uh on Yeah, let's So let's transition into into Miami because spin 0481 Another regular contributor here.
We appreciate it, says Miami, getting defense and special teams scores early in the game for every game, too, has played.
Miami's got a very good defense.
Azaz opposed to a Buffalo Bills defense, that is, is either reeling or average eso Let's get into this conversation.
Um, Joe, I'll start with you.
What are your thoughts on this Miami team like, What are they to you? So clearly they're they're outperforming right now, you know, kind of who they are, which is a good thing assed faras in a rebuild goes, but they're they're probably performing mawr along the lines of what they're gonna be next year or the year after.
The way they're winning Currently, in my opinion, is not sustainable.
Uh, you're not gonna get defensive scores the way that they are, and and things like that, too, is gonna have to come to life at some point.
And as much as like, he's being heralded and they've already fit him for his Hall of Fame jacket.
There's an aspect of like, you know, Josh Allen, his throne, more games or thrown, thrown more yards in one game than he has in, like all of his games combined.
I think even still, so there's an aspect to that.
But I just for me, they're gonna come back to Earth.
It's a question of when five games in a row is a lot, so they're definitely teetering.
I don't know if it's gonna be this week that Denver team is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it would be It would be a huge surprise, a huge let down if they But you know, people look past teams before The thing that doesn't concern me as much about the Dolphins is regardless of what happens in this division.
If this game comes down to the last game of the season against the Dolphins in Orchard Park in the first weekend in January, we know what happens to the Dolphins in the first week of January in Orchard Park, and it's usually not good.
Okay, What do you what? Do your initial reactions or your your reaction right now or your thoughts right now on the state of the Miami Dolphins? Uh, I think, uh, you know, spin at that comment was exactly the main point that I wanted to hit on.
And that's right now almost all their points.
Well, I can't say almost all of a lot of their points are coming off of turnovers on defensive and defense and special teams eso and it's that's just not sustainable.
And you know, I said this in Are in the chat today. Our group chat.
It wants to turn over stops.
So do the winds, because if they aren't getting those turnovers, they've been getting such great field position.
That, too, is to only has to throw for 100 50 yards a game.
And he still is getting two touchdowns and, you know, he's that's all he needs to do because they're starting so many of these drives inside the 50 because of the turnovers.
So I mean, that's kind of my my initial take on it.
And I mean, we e don't know what happened with them against us because the bills had no problem against that defense.
Uh, what was that week to, um Yeah, I don't know if they've made, you know, big time adjustments since then, but Xavi and Howard got healthy.
He was being platooned in that game.
Byron Jones went out in the first quarter of that game.
I think Kyle Van Noy got hurt in that game.
Thio, Um I think that defense was still trying Thio bring it together.
Like I remember when the when the season first started when we were doing our season preview show for the Bills.
Guys, I turned to David.
I said, We need to go to know to start the season because the Buffalo Bills have a lot of continuity and the New York Jets and the Miami Dolphins don't.
So you need to take advantage of that and get to know in the division early.
And, you know, the Jets are just ****ing terrible.
Like there was one of the worst teams in football history.
E couldn't think of another way toe without dropping enough bump, but But Miami's Miami's legit like I sort of got flame for this on Twitter today because a lot of Miami fans were puffing their chest.
I wouldn't trade.
They pea****ing, even pea****ing.
And this Dolphins team reminds me of the 2017 bills.
Now I understand that they already have their franchise quarterback, and I understand they probably have a little bit more star power on defense than we had on defense.
But the Buffalo Bills got their way into the playoffs in 2017, based off of turnovers.
We turned the football over.
We had short field.
We didn't ourselves during the football over, and we did just enough to win just enough games against a soft schedule to get into the playoffs.
That kind of reminds me a little bit of what Miami is doing here, and I'm starting to get concerned because Miles Gaskins is out.
Preston Williams is out.
You know, you'd be like, All right, now it's time for them to come back to Earth a little bit.
All they have left is Devante Parker.
Ah, bunch of rookies on that offensive line.
Um, you know, they're Ahmed is there running back Matt Brita is still limping around their next two games.
Air at Denver without Drew lock.
And at the New York chats, it's like, **** it.
Well, the Jets, the Jets were gonna win a game at some point, so I'm not gonna be the Dolphins.
But they're gonna win a game and they're not gonna go.
They're not gonna go winless.
It's just not gonna happen.
I mean, it's they've almost one a couple games already this season.
It must be the Patriots, right? I mean, there's there's an aspect to all of this.
I mean, it's they're going to come back to Earth.
And even if they don't like I said, I mean, there's there's if it comes down to that last game matchup, I don't know.
There's not a Vegas guy in the world that's gonna bet on the Dolphins like in Buffalo in January.
It's just not gonna happen like it's just one of those things.
Here's my next question to you guys.
The next three games for the Dolphins at Denver at New York Verse.
The Buffalo Bills by week, L.
A Chargers San Francisco 40 Niners.
In my opinion, we have to be a rookie quarterback, and we have to beatnik Molins.
However, that being said so you feel pretty confident you What would you put the odds of the Miami Dolphins having a better record than the Buffalo Bills heading into Week 14 after the next three weeks? What would you put, Joe? Is the odds of the of the of the Miami Dolphins having a better record and overtaking the division before we even gets a week? 17? Well, I don't think it will be better.
I think they're gonna be either tied with us or a game behind us.
So I think it's e guess you can't go zero.
So it's, what, 10%? I mean, you've got to give a percentage to it.
I mean, the bills could come out of this bye week, and, you know, I said on my show that, like, to me, this is an inflection point.
The Bills were gonna either gonna come off that game of the Cardinals, and they're gonna be more hungry than they ever were.
Or they're gonna come off that game of the Cardinals.
They could come out flat for the rest of season and implode.
So there's always a chance.
But for me, there's very slim opportunity for the for the Bills to lose the next to football games, especially against the Niners and the Dolphins.
Overtake them with the lead.
As far as you know from a record standpoint, regardless, a zoo, much of something.
The chat even said a second ago that the Dolphins have uneasily schedule.
So the Bills bills have one hard game left, which is the Steelers. And that's it.
Clay, 24 still absolutely reachable.
Yeah, what do you think? What do you think about the chance of Miami overtakes the Bills before we get to that week? 17.
I don't think it's gonna happen.
The Bills would have to lose at least one, and I just don't think they're gonna lose either of those games.
I mean, unless the 40 Niners literally do run the ball every play and we can't figure out how to stop it.
That's the only way the 40 Niners could be just a this point because they still can't run the ball effectively.
Eso I mean, you know, it's far as a defensive matchup.
It's not great for us, but it's still easily unwinnable game, Um, and Sean McDermott.
So, in three, coming out.
Excuse me. Three, You know, coming out of the bye week.
Hey, hasn't lost a game out of the bye week yet, and this is the latest bye week the Bills have had And what what feels like forever.
It's It's the late bye week.
So now they have a lot of film that they could go back through.
The coaching staff could go back through a lot of film.
Look at what's been working.
Look at what hasn't been working and, you know, kind of that.
That whole deep dive mentality.
Now is the time to do that on this bye week while you got your players resting up.
The coaches need to goto work and really dig into the film and see what's going on.
And I think it could be a really good opportunity, kind of self evaluate and come out even better than before.
I think I think they're gonna come out firing against the Chargers, hopefully table, you know? Well, what kind of hit the reset button himself, and I think it's gonna be probably gonna be a shootout because Justin Herber is very good quarterback as well.
But, um I think, uh, I think Josh is not gonna have not gonna have any issues.
Really? I think tables, you know, hopefully they figure something out for the third quarter.
But I have a lot of confidence in the coaching staff to just to really, you know, assess themselves.
Maybe that should be the game plan.
Um, let the other team score.
So Josh Allen feels a sense of urgency throughout the entire game and just make sure you have the last possession.
We've got a comment here from the South Buffalo Tigers that I really appreciate.
He says nothing to do with the Bills.
But Jared Paterson isn't saying they're They're They're up 35 to 3, about to go three.
You know they're playing bowling green Bowling.
But they just put up a stat line for Jared Patterson his last two games against Bowling Green, 64 carries for 600 plus yards and, like six touchdowns.
Absolutely insane for Jarod Patterson.
The guy reminds me a lot of Devin Singletary.
Um, we got John coming again.
I really appreciate the super chat here, John, he says.
Bills get Olin healthy post by and hopefully Oliver Edmonds, Milano healthy, Wallace and Norman back.
We could come off a by ****ed off and healthy.
I think the healthy part is really like this.
Bye week was just so sorely needed.
Um, do you think the reinforcements would be enough on defense or and and and along the offensive line? Or is this gonna be a struggle that we're gonna try to overcome all season long? This defense looks different with Milano in it, period.
In the story, the defense looks different and feels different and plays different.
When Milano is playing, I don't it's watch the tape.
They just There's a different different confidence about them is the only guy that could tackle in the open field.
It seems like the offensive line is the question to me, because when you think about it when you break down, do you think? Okay, I've got Dion Dawkins at left tackle.
I've got Cody Ford at left guard.
I've got Mitch Morse, It's center.
I've got Feliciano it right guard, and I've got Williams at right tackle.
That sounds great, but this whole concept of like well, we're gonna go week to week and see what happens.
And even inside of that, like the fact that they refused to put in Seki in and move Williams to guard, like and then and then to come out and be like, Yeah, we're not sure what's going on the run game.
We're gonna figure it out.
It's like you're not put the best guys out there like, I guess I have little confidence that they're going to figure out or or try Thio.
I don't a ZMA much as they always say, and Matthew Matthews.
I've agreed with you at times, and we've tweeted about it back and forth, and I think I've even been on your show.
They say the best guy will play.
That is not true of this coaching staff.
There is football politics at play here, big time with this staff, and a lot of times it comes down to where you're drafted or how you practice, which is weird, because practice doesn't mean crap.
It's how you play like what we're talking about.
It's not a game, it's practice, right? I mean, so I don't let my soapbox yeah, going back to the you know it's about how you practice.
Uh, that's the only reason Nathan Peterman ever saw football field.
Hey, should have never been on the football field table.
He got put in throwing a preseason good, great preseason, but that's the thing.
He's the preseason hero.
He's a practice hero.
Hey, one second half against New Orleans, man. She's.
But there's a point.
There's a point where you can't run the football and you're like, You know what? I know that in Seki is our swing tackle.
What is it, 11 year to sit on the freaking bench.
He's taken three snaps this year or something like that.
Let's just try right, doctor thing.
He would be on the team.
Let's just try Dawkins, Ford, Morse, Williams and in Seki and see what happens for four plays.
They won't do it.
They won't put the guy in. It's like something else is No.
I agree that I agree with John that that insect is one of the top five offensive lineman on the team.
The only two things I can wrap my head around is one.
They want to keep them healthy because he's a swing tackle like he's the only healthy guy that they think could competently play left tackle.
If the undock it's got hurt.
That's number one and number two.
I've heard from some people, um, close to the organization, that they have concerns over the his ability to play, um, vast amounts of snaps with his knees.
So he's nothing more than a pack up to them.
Um, but did you have ah, comment You want to make? Oh, just about in second being that that swing tackle being older, it was, Yeah.
If Dawkins goes down, can Darryl Williams go to the other side and pick that up? I just don't think he'd be able to.
I think tying Seki would be your best guy in that situation.
If something happens.
Thio Dion Dawkins.
So they do want to keep him healthy for that, Um, but and and I and honestly, I don't even know if I think Cody Ford is in the top five.
I think maybe because he's he's had some struggles, I don't know.
It's really hard to tell.
You know who's at fault for what in a lot of situations, so I don't know, something needs to change mentally with Cody Ford because he can play.
It's just, you know, the at times he just, you know, he makes those bone headed plays every once in a while.
Yeah, Tim Stokes says, What's the deal with Bates? And to me, this is another.
This is another coaching staff has just pigeonholing a guy like they see him.
Is there Jeremiah circles? A guy who could play all five officers of line positions, But you never actually want him to play in the game? I mean, literally.
The guy came in and let a touchdown drive with at center with John Feliciano left guard, and they immediately were like, Nope, like bunker practice better.
You're going in NYC now.
I had a good second half, but we were struggling a little bit the rest of that first half until, like Bucker got his feet wet.
So, like to me, the fact that, like four plays was enough for them and the four plays were phenomenal place like I just blows my mind.
Can we talk about the flip flop for McDermott? And obviously he's parroting what his coaches coach speak in general.
But just the flip flop between the beginning of the season, which is, you know, continuity, continuity on the offensive line, kind of.
And last year continuity this.
You know, these guys have only played together for six games.
Continuity, continuity, and all of a sudden it's like the best five will play a week to week.
It's like what Rico's checking in, he says, checking into my guys.
People don't do it to us, Rico, and everyone's gonna be freaking out the chat now.
All right, there's three of us, which means that we have Ah, panel Thio.
I think I just came up with this and I think we have a panel to do this successfully because there's an odd number of us, and when you have an odd number, you'll always have at least a majority when we're voting.
Eso um, that's my civics lesson for you guys for the day.
There is no Electoral College here, but I was wondering Judge, Teacher and he is showing off his skills.
I say we go week by week throughout the remainder of the schedule.
We picked the Dolphins and we picked the bills.
We each get about and we see who comes out with a better record I got.
What do you guys think? It's a good idea.
And you guys in the comments section chime in with what you think Who's gonna win these games? And let's start with the bye week.
Are the Buffalo Bills gonna win this bye week? Yeah.
I mean, e mean, you know, it's winning.
You can win a bye week, you know, if you come out stronger out of the bye week on the bye week.
So I think that I think they're gonna do that.
There's there's all kinds of jokes in here somewhere, right? So it's it's quickly.
But the reality is, Cove.
It could hit this team during the bye week, and they might not.
Come on, now, uh, way will you better have someone somewhere eyes this brought to you by landscape.
Uh, just makes it easier to find.
Uh, so, uh, all right, we got we got Scott.
He's gonna derail this segment, at least temporarily, with, uh, he says, I'm sorry.
Singletary has been playing terrible the last couple of games.
He's been making no production whatsoever.
Every time Alan throws to him. He drops it.
I think Moss should be our number one back.
Yeah, I might be in the minority here, but to me, I'm not really to blame, either.
Running back like I completely think it's 100% the offensive line like, am I wrong here to think it's 100% the office of line and 0% running back? Thinking these 200% it's probably it's probably 90%.
It's probably 90% the offensive line and 10% play calling like when they're calling their own place.
Because it's obvious like this.
There's so many times, like Run and then they do.
It's like, OK, if I knew it, surely surely the defense do so Yeah, yeah, I think you can.
You can blame the offensive line.
You should blame the offensive line, but I think they're they're different kinds of backs.
You know, Moss is the kind of guy where you know, he doesn't have to have, you know, Ah, huge lane to run through.
He can run through a couple tackles.
He can, you know, make people miss a little bit in those those tight windows.
You know, he could take the take.
The hits take the touches.
Um, where's Singletary? If you put him in a crowd, you know, all he could really do is joke around and try to Barry Sanders his way out of it.
And he's just not gonna be able to do it a lot of time because he has no space.
So I mean, you know, you go ahead.
I would say the problem is he hasn't done the juking thing like he's been coming down on arm tackles like so, like it was Somebody made the comment.
It was during one of the games, One of the announcers broadcaster said, Like like Singletary is the best guy I've seen making the first guy miss.
And since that statement was made, he like, hasn't been able to make the first guy miss again.
It's like, Oh, you jinxed him great.
But yeah, yeah, we got We got Rico China.
And he says, just because by the way nuke dropped that ball, you know what? That would not have ever been overturned there.
Not enough visual evidence to overturn that.
I think the refs ran up the field as soon as the one ref went like this.
The rest of them, like all, ran into the tunnel.
It was like 4500 Cardinals fans would have really had those scared.
Uh, all right, let's let's go through this schedule because Miami's got Denver coming up.
Probably not gonna play.
It's gonna be the Miami Dolphins versus Brett ripping.
Are we willing to put this down in the win column for the Miami Dolphins against the Denver Broncos? Home or away? It is at Denver Mile High.
You know, being here because here's Here's my take.
It's on the road in, in, in, in Denver, where other teams seem to struggle in that environment.
Mile high Vic Fangio is a solid defensive mind, and eventually one of these weeks they're gonna have to catch up to to write, like you come in.
It's a switch, a quarterback. It's a change.
It's a It's a shock to the system.
It takes defensive coordinators a couple of weeks to adjust off all the defensive coordinators to adjust its.
It's gotta Vic Fangio, right? Yeah, and not only eso.
Home teams were tending one this week, so home teams home teams were 10 and one this week, which is a big number.
And to your point, I mean, they're not asking to it to do a lot.
So I mean to in the last game, 369 yards, that's it's crazy.
They have no running backs, right? They have no running backs.
So that defense is gonna come back to Earth at some point in time.
I think the Dolphins gonna win this football game.
You know, it would be a surprise that they lost.
I thought they're gonna lose it to the to the Chargers.
Rather, I thought the Chargers would take him to town, but they didn't.
So, um, this is probably a W for me, for the Dolphins.
I think if there's anyone else a quarterback, you could maybe say the Broncos could win this one.
But without Drew lock in there, I just don't think they're gonna be able to pull it off.
I think the defense is going to do well against to a The offense that they've that they've been running for him is super simple.
A lot of rolling out to the left, which is, you know, his throwing side a lot of rolling out to the left, and he's, you know, it's a levels concept to the left almost every time him rolling out, I think they could probably.
It's it's not that hard to figure out because and, you know, maybe there, Maybe they're gonna be able to ADM or and Mawr.
The more experience he gets, you know, add more to his plate.
But right now it's super simple, and, uh, someone's someone's definitely gonna figure it out very soon.
It could be the Broncos that figure it out, which lead Thio Uh uh to his faith.
Okay, yeah, but it's on winning that came from, but the judges point if there's if there's a head coach Fangio that's gonna figure it out.
And and maybe that figure out is much like you saw happening toe Allen when Alan was having trouble running, running to his left and throwing the ball and was coming out super inaccurate till he realized to get his hips right, like it got to the point where defensive coordinators were Onley, allowing him to flush to his left.
So if he was gonna flush, he's going to his left.
So maybe It's a situation where Fangio was like, Look, if he's gonna go, we're gonna get to go to his right and see if he could beat us with going out to his right knows.
All right, let's move on to Week 12.
Because both these teams are now sitting in seven and three with the Buffalo Bills, hold the tiebreaker through the Miami Dolphins are at the New York Jets.
I don't think any sort of home field advantage is gonna help the New York Jets this point, especially with no fans in the stands.
They're gonna have to win a football game. Donald Beck.
He would probably about punching him at this point.
New York Jets team to beat the Dallas Cowboys last year, right? Well, they kind of like Hung in there against New England and New England took it to Baltimore.
So I guess like, you know, kind of e any given Sunday and given Sunday.
I honestly the Jets literally quarterback.
It's the moon goes around the Earth twice, and e.
I think that the Jets are a lot better team.
Uh, then they're given credit for and I mean that as people think that they're the worst team in the last 20 years, they're not.
They're probably like the third worst, but they can still, they can.
Still, I think they can actually still play Sam.
Donald. Still a pretty good quarterback.
Hey, has just no supporting role, including his coach, which is, you know, probably the biggest problem there.
We all know that, but I think that's all.
Memes looks good if they if they can.
You know if if if he and Donald can link up for a game and kind of go off a little bit, I think they could probably pull one off.
I don't know if it's gonna be against the Dolphins.
Their defense pretty good.
I'm giving the Dub.
I'm giving the Dub to Miami.
There, I'll take the Jets.
I'll take Miami because I I don't think the Jets can win the 838 and three Miami Dolphins.
Buffalo goes in at home with a roaring, roaring crowd, the train horn blasting throughout the entire game versus the L.
I think this game could be closer than people think, but, um, you know make everyone and their mother has mentioned McDermott's record or for the by.
I don't think you could lose to a rookie quarterback.
And, um, people have been scoring on this defense despite the fact that they have talent.
And Anthony Lynn always finds a way to lose.
So I'm gonna go to the Buffalo Bills one o'clock game, rookie quarterback, go west to East.
So in what is potentially, it's almost December.
At that point in time, who knows what the weather is gonna be like? I've got the bills.
Yeah, I got the bills as well.
Does anyone know if this is Herberts First, West to East one o'clock game it is.
I believe that's gonna be tough.
He's gonna learn.
We got we got Scott Van Allude coming in because he isn't working guy too.
So, Simon, like he's in these coasters Uh, Scott Van Loo coming in $5 Super chat.
We really appreciate this guy.
He says, Yeah, and you probably got it in your notes.
But if they win this game, the tie with us for first place in the vision, if we got more conference wins, do we this common opponents or conference winds come first.
I think it's conference wins.
Division wins common opponents.
Okay, so we're sitting pretty pretty right now.
Wait in conference because it's division conference comment.
The division conference makes sense.
What we're seeing, What's my like, What's my eso Miami is? They lost the buffalo.
They lost to New England.
They've already got two losses.
Uh, they beat the Jets and they haven't played anyone else yet.
So they're one and two in the A F C East right now, and we are four now, So we're sitting pretty there.
I don't I don't have the the conference opponents in front of us, but yeah, I think in terms of most of the tiebreakers, I think the only one that we're struggling with this is common opponents.
Because 12 losses to a F C teams one lost to N f C t e.
I mean, if the Bills went out division to, then they got the head head anyway.
So Bill, sweep the division. It's over.
Yeah, All right.
So the eight and three dolphins on a seven game winning streak heading according to head home.
This is not the You're not.
You're not New York or California Joe, you are. You are one man.
They are heading 83 heading home to play Cincinnati.
Is this where they trip up? I mean, you can't win forever, can you? No, I think.
More importantly, is that you know that Bangles team isn't is the same old Bangles team, either.
Joe Burrow could play like the kid could play football and, like you're talking about a team that has has put it to some other teams and like shaking up some other teams, this is one of those games where the Bengals could legit when this football game.
Yeah, I agree. I definitely think the Bengals pull it off.
I've loved live scene from Joe Burrow.
He's exciting to watch.
He's a lot like Herbert.
You know both of these guys air great young quarterbacks like great future ahead of him.
He's and and it's It's a very similar situation with both of these teams, to where it's just a theory end of the game.
They find a way to lose it.
So, you know, a couple of those games swing the other way Toward the end of the game, it could easily be a win. Indeed.
I gotta w for the for the Bengals.
I got W Where you going? Play.
I'll go Bangles for that one.
I would go dolphins just because, uh, to me, that's it.
Comes down to Bryan Flores versus Zach Taylor.
And I have no respect for that daily.
Uh, but I am out voted here.
So we have now the eight and four Dolphins and the Buffalo Bills on Monday Night Football having seen the Dolphins lose on that Sunday.
Have a chance on Monday Night Football going out west, playing Nick Mullins in a very, very injured San Francisco for a Niners team who still have a very, very good head coach in Kyle Shanahan.
Joe, you're going with the W Tell us why.
Yeah, Kittles Kittles out, freaking grapples out like, Yeah, that's That's a w.
That team is a shell of itself without Garoppolo Kittle.
I mean, easy win e Think it's gonna be an easy win, e I mean, you could stop McMullen's easy.
I don't think that's gonna be much of a problem at all. Discuss.
Stop the run game.
That's it. Yeah.
I'm gonna agree with you.
Let's go, Let's go.
E were now nine and three.
We now have a one game lead plus the tie breaker If they catch up to us.
The Miami Dolphins had, uh, home.
They stay home to play the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes.
Could the Miami Dolphins beat? Can't say, Chief, No.
Okay, alright. We're gonna go nine.
We're gonna go nine short video.
Uh, and the Buffalo Bills on Sunday, Football at home in front of a raucous, uh, stereo.
Is that what they call it? The A system in front of a raucous P A system? Uh, they are at home to face the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday Night Football and the one drunk Buffalo Bills fan doing Hey.
So there's gonna be Oh, just gonna let one guy into the stands.
There's gonna let one guy I'd pay to see that as long as it's the drunkest, the drunkest guy, they confined the drunkest bills Fan, put him out in in the stands and that'll be that'll be a show in itself.
PM two will literally have a live shot the entire game.
E think what's crazy about this football game is It's so different from last year's game.
The fact that that that Roethlisberger's playing the fact that they got the new kid down there and I can never remember his stinking name Clay.
Is that right? No. Claypool.
What's his name? Claypool.
Yeah, like they're just Chase Claypool.
That's what it is.
They're just a completely different football team this year, and they're the one of the few teams in the NFL.
That and the Dolphins.
They're playing good defense, like like there's very few teams playing good defense in the NFL this year, and they're one of them.
This game scares me a lot to me.
This is the last l on our schedule.
This is the last loss on our schedule.
Yeah, I'm gonna agree there.
I don't think the Bills could pull it off the Steelers of the whole package.
They They've got the defense.
They've got the offense.
When one's doing bad, the other does.
Three other makes up for it.
That's how they've been winning their games.
Their complete team well coached.
Roethlisberger's got the experience that I just I don't think unless unless something crazy happens where Josh Allen really ascends to a different level.
I don't think they can win the game because just because that defense is too good, I think we have a chance to win the game.
I think we have a puncher's chance, but I don't think it's very strong puncher's chance.
So I'm gonna agree with you guys.
So the Buffalo Bills, Air nine and for the Miami Dolphins are 85 85 85 94.
Um, I doing that right? Yep, 85 94.
The Miami Dolphins had they stayed home.
Three game home, three game home. Stand good for them.
And they face the New England Patriots.
The Patriots beat the Ravens.
Uh, you know, this is a of it's gonna be a very disciplined to England team.
What we think here, this is the team that's gonna finally scheme one up to beat, too, as well.
Yeah, the book it's written on to in that football game.
If it hasn't been already Belichick, Belichick will put it to to, uh yep, I agree.
They're I think they're gonna be hungry.
They're gonna wanna win, you know, bill check has had his struggles with the Dolphins in the past.
It's also a former, you know, former coaching staff of his.
That's the head coach over there.
He's gonna wanna win that one.
I mean, I'm gonna actually take New England.
This game is well, but with one caveat being, I really hope Kim is still started.
Gordon e don't have as much, um, bills have to go west on.
They have to face the Denver Broncos.
We don't actually even know the date of this game yet.
It very well could be a nationally televised Christmas Eve game.
Um, because never just really isn't Denver looked exciting on paper to start the season, but injuries have ra***ed that team.
I know it's mile high.
I know it's Vic Fangio.
Drew Lock will probably be healthy by that game, even though he is beat up like multiple injuries.
But my guess is he'll probably be playing at that point because they literally have no one else to throughout their on.
And they want to see what your lock is.
We're still we're This is still a dub, right.
Its's a dull, But this game is scheduled for Saturday or Sunday.
Christmas He was Thursday.
OK, maybe it could have been prime time Saturday game, then, Yeah, prime time.
Say it could be a 7 30 Saturday game, which had problems we're probably gonna put.
They're probably gonna put Buffel on prime time because everyone wants to see Josh Allen throat 90 yards in my high.
So that's right. That's right.
And yes, that's a W.
So going into Week 16, the Buffalo Bill said, a 10 and four.
The Miami Dolphins said eight and six in Miami, heads out west to the Roomba in the desert.
That is Las Vegas, the Las Vegas Raiders E All right.
So, Wow, they are crumbling here at eight and seven.
The Buffalo Bills had a New England.
I'm on a football in New England, dub.
I'm not deviating from my original pick, which from the early in the season, which is the Bills would sweep the East.
I think the Bills well, that be impressive.
I'm a little, you know, I don't know.
That's that's really hard.
Josh Allen has historically struggled against the Patriots, No matter what.
I think Belichick has his number.
Um, I don't know.
He did have a good game in New England last year against them, but it's just Can you beat the Patriots twice in a year with a bill with Bell check at the head coach position? I don't know.
Even with the roster that they've got, I think I think they might be able to sneak it out, especially since the Bills have historically so far this year have been bad in prime time.
So I dont know, can they if they could step it up in prime time? If I see them win, you know, prime time game beforehand, I'll have a little more confidence.
But I'm gonna give him the L.
I think they're. I think they're gonna let this one slip away.
It's amazing to me that in the chat you're talking about Miami Dolphins fans that had Ryan Fitzpatrick is their quarterback in the beginning of the season and pretty much laughed at themselves to all of a sudden they can't take our show seriously as we're talking realistically about their team like like these students really think that, like Chua is some kind of like, you know, hundreds.
You're never going to come down to Earth.
Rookie quarterbacks come down to Earth.
You have no running backs, you have no running back.
You have three rookies on your offensive line.
If you don't think that that offense is gonna crash at some point, Yes, they might take Denver.
Yes, they might take. Yes.
I'll probably take Denver.
Yes, They probably take the Jets.
Yeah, it's probably probably take Cincinnati to despite the fact that we gave them and all their just cause.
We think it's really hard to win eight straight football games. The National Football League.
Especially when you're in Miami Freaking dolphins, Right? And the city Give me a break.
New England, Bill Belichick versus a rookie to it.
Give me a break.
That team pounds of rock control possession.
They don't turn the ball.
Yeah, on do you know? So So I'm gonna give the bills a win on Monday football because I think Jared Stein is gonna be starting by then.
And I think Jared System sucks.
So I'm gonna get the Buffalo Bills and win on.
We're gonna go 11 4.
So the 11 and four bills have clinched the division because they're playing the eight and seven Miami Dolphins.
Matt Barkley versus To Ataka by Loa, who were taken here to, uh I think, you know, credit where credit's due on to, uh um he played really well against cardinals, but other than that, he we haven't seen enough.
And like I said, they're running a super simple playbook with him right now.
And that was his second game.
Second game against cardinals.
Um, and so, you know, there was a lot of film on him because he didn't have to be much against the Rams because the rims scored.
I have no my notes here.
All 28 points in the second quarter off of three turnovers and upon return touchdown.
So he didn't have to do anything.
So, like, I think to to a did score Two of those touchdowns.
We got a scoop and score.
Started with the ball at the 33.
Got a touchdown off that, and then he started the ball at the one.
Got a crush on the next play.
It was It was a run play.
So the the offense really drove that? He drove that.
He drove one yard.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, e.
I mean, other than that Cardinals game he hasn't really done, he hasn't showed us anything.
He showed us that he can function in the NFL, and that's it.
So, yeah, you got Josh Allen driving the field with three minutes left in the game that he did not play well and throwing a laser to the corner of the end zone on his left side, like across his body to a drives a one yard.
So Okay, guys, we are.
We are hate filled your hate.
You are a Miami Dolphins fan.
You are a Miami Dolphins fan.
So listen, e can't really talk trash because I'm a Bills fan like, yeah, like, 1970 Don Shula.
You a Super Bowl? Um, you know, Dan Marino threw for a lot of yards and lost a lot of playoff games.
Um, did Jim Kelly in a Bills? You know, the you guys were in a Jim Carrey movie? I think the best we got was giving way.
Got Gil bellows.
Second string eso they? They were in a Jim Carrey movie based on a narrative from a Buffalo Bills game.
Interesting, I think Ballers is set in Miami as well.
I think so. They got the rock on their side.
I'm trying to think of anything else.
Thurman Thomas once played for you for like a week and a half.
Sure, you guys enjoy that.
They don't They don't call Peppers career.
Yeah, they don't They don't they? Don't they? They did choose Dante over Drew reasons, right? Yeah.
So what does? The hate for two is huge.
I don't think they hate for two is huge.
I think it's just a rookie quarterback.
It's realism he hasn't shown anything yet on, and I think we might.
It might sound like we're hating because we are countering those people, that air crowning him already because the national media is saying that this guy is amazing when he really hasn't done that much yet.
And we're just trying to bring everyone back down to Earth and say he hasn't done that much yet.
Can we just say that the new England Patriots destroyed the A F C East for about six years because the Miami Dolphins didn't see the potential that Wes Welker had.
I will say about the Miami Dolphins, though.
I think they're gonna get Yeah, yeah, Chris Hogan to 7 11.
But, I mean, I think the Miami Dolphins, I think Bills Dolphins going forward throughout the next decade.
I think it could be e think it could be another, you know, nineties, you know, kind of late eighties, early nineties, where it's it's Marino versus, uh, Kelly.
I think it's, you know, Alan versus two.
Uh, it will be a similar thing where it's any game that these guys were playing against each other. It's gonna be a battle.
It's gonna be a fight for the division every year.
Unless, you know Belichick, figure something out, um, or Trevor Lawrence isn't ruined by whoever the head coaches there.
I mean, you know, I think it's gonna be a great rivalry moving forward.
I did think this about the Jets to, though, when Donald and Alan both got drafted.
And look how that turned out.
So the best news and in my Twitter feed has been blowing up, whether it's with Kevin or just some other Dolphins fans that that like that I follow when we follow on Twitter.
Because we've we've all been living in the same space together.
Us and the Dolphins fans, all realistic Dolphins fans are where right where you just said Clay, which is where I'm at as well.
The best thing that is potentially gonna happen is we're gonna get that rivalry back to me.
Which is the true A f C East rivalry, like the Bills, Dolphins with the Bills and Dolphins Air good.
And they're fighting each other for the division.
Theo NFL is just a better place in my opinion.
And most Dolphins fans believe that, too.
So, um, that look on my that will look up, Bill well, there on my face earlier while you guys were talking and I wasn't listening to a fence. Sorry. E.
Patterson is running rag shot over bowling green.
He's now up to 31 carries for 301 yards and four touchdowns, and Marx has 15 carries for 90 yards.
So do be bulls have, like 400 yards rushing right now.
This is a beautiful, beautiful stuff, folks. Beautiful stuff.
You know, Brian Table should be watching you be tape over the bye week, and he should be getting taking notes on how this team is running the football all over the Mac baby all over the Mac.
Um, all right, So according to our prognostication, the Buffalo Bills don't have too much to sweat.
But I know on a week by week basis, we will be sweating these games because, you know, the charges could beat us.
There is a path to victory for the Chargers.
There's a path of victory for the San Francisco 40 Niners.
Uh, icebergs definitely favored if Drew locks playing.
There's a path to victory for Denver.
There's a path to victory for New England.
There's I'm definitely a path to victory for Miami.
Like, yes, I think that, uh, you know, of the remaining 123456 games, I think five of them we will be favored.
And I think five of them were the better football team.
Hang on a second hand because you're better.
Football team doesn't mean what I'm talking about.
The avatar here, But Ryan Fitzpatrick is better so basically what basically what's happened is there's like 65 or six Miami Dolphins fans that are like 14 years old, that air in their ba*****t together that have basically just gotten on our chat.
And they're like they're just basically trying to troll us at this point.
So, like, what? Has Ryan Fitzpatrick played a playoff game? No, no.
Josh was played into our 11 but he was there in spirit for the first one on.
He's been playing, too.
He's gonna play into Yeah, great Metric.
Has never been on a playoff team, at least not as a starter.
Yeah, I don't think I don't even think it's a backup tournament.
Tell your kids to go to bed, put your kids to bed.
They got school tomorrow.
They are a good all around football team, but that's not sustainable to get that many turnovers, and if it is sustainable, you're gonna have a really enjoyable and fun ride.
But hopefully, you know, hopefully you can ride that wave.
Uh, you know, no pun intended because they're the Dolphins.
You could ride that wave, you know, into the playoffs and and have a great memorable season.
and your quarterback will catch up next year and you'll put all together and you'll be a really, really good football team.
That's best for you.
But if you see your team has already arrived, if you sit here and think that your team has already arrived, you are sadly mistaken, dude, because your quarterback is going to hit a wall.
Teams are gonna figure him out.
And once they dio, he's athletically limited.
You know Josh Ellen's got the arm Josh Allen can run the football Josh Allen could overcome.
Sometimes when defense's figure him out, he can make plays to it is very limited, like he needs to figure out.
Need to figure out, because if that you can't process, he does not have the skill set to survive in the National Football League.
If he's not in the right system, he does not have the right skill set to survive in the National Football League.
Yeah, so, yeah, you know, I could I could see a situation realistically, where if that game Week 17 is for the division, do you sit to a for Ryan Fitzpatrick in the winter weather of Buffalo? So I'll go first only because for me, this game comes down to one thing and one thing only.
And that's as whether or not and clearly this loss of the Cardinals changes the whole entire conversation, the narrative and that comes down to Where are we at in the race for the first round bye in the playoffs.
You know, the Steelers have a stranglehold on that thing right now.
Um, and obviously the Chiefs were right behind him.
So if we're in contention for that, there's an opportunity or chance.
I think the Bills play all the starters just to try to, you know, try to sneak out that w If not, it's a Matt Barkley game, and then it doesn't really matter.
The Bills lose that game.
They still win the East.
And then, like all the Dolphins fans in here telling us how like we split last year and like, you only be this once and we went to Buffalo and kick your ass and blah blah, blah, blah.
It's like, Come on, bro, like, Come on.
Really? Yeah, I don't think you I don't think you can put fits in.
We've done it to him before.
Jets had the chance to make a play off to make the playoffs.
When he was there, he came in a buffalo.
And, uh, yeah, I don't know what it was.
I had a guy on the sideline.
Yeah, it was Rex Ryan.
Everybody on the sideline getting in the kickers head.
I don't know if that was it, but yeah, they were able to take care of business.
Then I don't think it would be a problem that then there's no way, you know, they've They've gone to to a They can't turn back now, but, um, yeah, hopefully the game doesn't matter.
Here's a question before we move on.
Like, don't lose your spot, judge.
But if you could have one of the three quarterbacks and I would love to see just the responses in the comments as well, if you could take one of the three right now, Herbert to, uh, or Borough, who you taking Herbert to her to outer borough? I'm taking Joe Burrow, man.
I just love the moxie.
I know that Herbert has more, better physical tools.
Um, and the way Herbert has played makes you think that he can put all those tools together like Josh Allen has, um But I think that Joe Burrow just has something he's just wired in a way that I think that there's gonna be a winner in the sleep for a long time.
Uh, he knows how toe he knows how and when to be aggressive, and he knows how I want to take his shots on.
I really respected about Joe Burrows game.
So your borough Herbert, to uh oh, you want to rank them going to, But you started to, so I just assumed that that's what you're gonna do.
I mean, I was taking Joe Burrow, but if I was going to rank them to be, it would be Borough Herbert to a to a just doesn't have the physical skill set.
Yeah, I'm going.
Herbert Borough Thio.
Big, strong, smart.
I like him because he kind of reminds me of Josh Allen with his mind set a little bit where it's, um, just a quiet, nice guy.
But he's gonna bust his ass.
And if you know, if you say he can't do something, he's gonna go out, and he's going to show you why he can and how he can.
So I think he's.
That mentality for me is what matters the most in in a in an NFL quarterback.
I think Burrows got that, too.
Um, but, you know, toe to toe Herbert's got physical, physical attributes.
Herbert won the academic Heisman to everything that is the name of it guy.
Yeah, yeah, So I would I would probably think Herbert's got the higher ceiling.
I'd probably take Borough Herbert than two of, but what's funny is there's a dolphin fan in the chat that would take two of before those two guys.
So they're saying they would, but they wouldn't.
Natural says You can't ask that question till, like, next season.
I feel e feel fine answering that question because I think two of them could survive without a system.
We have to wait two years that we here for two years that the decision was made on Josh on and he was trash.
So why can we not decide now? E can, All right.
I mean, my notes are done.
I don't know what you guys got anything.
If anyone in the in the chats got anything, We're rocking an hour or 15.
You know, my stamina is just not what it used to be.
I mean, for me, it's just basically comes down to tomorrow.
So we got a huge thing going tomorrow.
Um, Justus Faras Come back tomorrow for the Humpty Hotline at nine o'clock myself.
We've got Joe Marino with us as well as Bruce Exclusive Bruce Nolan, Uh, in a mega pod.
Bruce Nolan will not be Well, maybe he will reveal his identity, so there's a chance he could reveal his identity.
Maybe Z over under on that Theo over.
Yeah, but it's gonna be a good time.
So we're gonna talk.
We're gonna finally put to bed for us anyways.
That cardinals game, we're gonna talk playoff picture.
We're gonna talk some of the other stuff too.
I've got some interesting questions for them, but yeah, if you if you've got nothing going on tomorrow night, nine o'clock.
Humpty Hotline myself.
Spence, Bruce Nolan and Joe Marino is gonna be a lot of fun. Great.
I I think you got something dropping tonight or tomorrow morning, don't you? I actually don't.
Not this week, because way this week.
Who am I gonna talk? Thio? Um, yes.
Oh, no, no podcast.
This week, I'm in the film room.
Instead, I'm gonna hopefully drop something Something for this weekend.
Um, I guess we'll let it be a surprise when it's gonna be, but probably gonna be a little bit of a longer video, and I'm gonna try to get as in depth as possible on it.
So look out for that.
On the weekend, someone asked me what I p a I drank tonight.
I was actually I was actually sober for this whole show, believe it or not.
Uh, but this weekend I got hella blitz drinking church music I p a from a local brewery here in Tempe.
It's really good.
So if you're out in the West Coast, look up the church music I p A.
It was really It's really good you get at most, Trader Joe's s.
Oh, yeah, My only has two or three for 300 yards yet.
Oh, I don't think so.
So he can't be e s o, uh get the death right there.
I'll tell you this right now.
What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna rip this audio.
I'm gonna put it on the buffalo for next podcast network.
So people have gonna listen.
Thio, uh, tomorrow morning, in place of bills counterpoint.
Um, and I will say thursday's show the Bills, Guys, we are trying our best.
We're thinking about changing the time of our show, pushing the back to sort of cater to a special guest that we wanna have on on Thursday night.
We want to bring in Mr Kevin.
Kevin Gerard, we wanna have We want to continue this conversation in Miami Dolphins and get it from the Miami Dolphins fan perspective.
So we're trying to get Kevin on.
He works late, so we would have to go at nine, which is the typical time for everybody else.
But it's past my bedtime, which is seven o'clock West Coast year.
That my bedtime.
But you know it is eso.
You know, Thursday you might You might get some more dolphins talk from us here on the Buffalo fanatics Podcast network Man, the dolphins are in our heads, huh? E yeah, E because there's a chance any given Sunday we saw.
I mean, look at how it's hard to win games in the NFL.
The Bills had that.
Well, first half bills were playing great.
Second, half the Bills lost the game and then they won the game and then they lost the game.
So I mean, it starts like any It could happen against anybody because the Bills don't like to win by a lot.
They like to make it close.
So a songs, they keep doing that, you know, we'll have to see how it goes.
But once the turnover stop in Miami, the winds are gonna stop.
I'll tell you what.
Like Dave, Dave said he was gonna take a bye week from football this week.
And Dave was gonna, like, not watch any NFL games this week.
Um, I pay way too much money for Sunday ticket.
I will be watching, but I'll definitely have my eyes on that Miami game.
I'm gonna be watching that game in full.
I'll probably have the Miami game up on one television and the red zone channel up on the other.
Uh, eso it should be an interesting weekend.
Uh, I haven't decided.
Should we should we take a week off from the pregame show.
Or should we still get the people of pregame show? I know the fancy guys were stuff.
Definitely gonna go.
I think we I think we I think we deserve a little bit of a break.
Its bye week for us to I mean, you know, maybe we should take a deep dive, see if we need to change the lineup.
Yeah, I'm probably out at that point. Right.
Winners on the Brian. Winners of the pregame.
You already took yourself.
You place yourself with Jeff for the most part.
Hey, that was a clutch.
Landers is doing a hell of a job moderating.
He is a pregame show.
I You know, I I interacted with Jeff a couple of times on Twitter, and I read his bio.
And because his original avatar was like him holding up a microphone like looking like a reporter.
Turns out the man was a freaking sports director and Idaho Falls left for the private sector.
I said, Hey, man, you still got that itch and you want to scratch it.
Come during the buffalo Vanek screwing hostess pregame show, and he's doing a hell of a job.
And I look, I look forward to him finishing out the season with us and coming back strong next season as well.
So all right, ladies and gents, if that is it, if there are no more questions until next time go bills, bills, bills.