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00:00:00
Yeah. Uh huh.
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But SportsCastr news with your host, Matt Brooks.
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I have joined as always on Tuesdays by Adam are Brick Adam.
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Sounds like you've been busy this morning.
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Courting podcast, drinking coffee, feeling jazz.
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We finally have some, like, riel.
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Really fun things.
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Really, really, really things to talk about after the n b a.
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You know, moratorium wasn't noon yesterday.
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I was like, you couldn't get a solid and just kind of gotten the ball rolling a little bit earlier in the day.
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You had toe.
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Just wait until the wee hours off.
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2 a.
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m.
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To start really having a pop classic? Yeah, I did not appreciate I was getting ready.
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You know, I'm sitting there brushing my teeth, getting ready to go to bed.
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Uh, and this thing's Drew holiday thing happens at 11.
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30 and I was just like, I don't know why I like this league sometimes.
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Like, I really you know, like we just we had a nice 10 hour window to do any of this stuff.
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Why? Breaking in 11.
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30 all the bits? Because on all the business.
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Come on, look.
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And I'm still here for it in the morning.
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because, my goodness, like, you know, this happens last night.
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I didn't have much like I at that point.
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I'm like, Okay, cool.
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This happened, but, you know, we got a full sort of REM cycle in, Uh, not really.
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And now I'm ready to talk.
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They're weird.
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They're funky, You know? The news breaks.
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They trade lead.
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So and George Hill, Twitter has a meltdown. Oh, my God.
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Is this the price? What? And of course, we're on the net side of things.
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So it's We could have offered touring prints in a second round for this, which is, like, way we could that there's actually it comes out first, There's gonna be a bunch of draft capital.
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Turns out that draft capitals three first round picks and then woes goes off the glass and slams it home.
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That was a terrible reference and mentions that they're just woes going off.
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I couldn't quite get that good, but I like it.
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I'm right.
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Glad I'm doing my best.
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This sort of, um, look, I mean, basically, they send three picks to pick swaps and you know Eric Bledsoe and George George Hill, by the way, an interesting player, I wonder if they're gonna be ableto do some things with him.
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I actually like him a lot for, um, for the pelicans.
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And you know what? Weirdly also like blood.
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So a little bit for them, too.
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But regardless they make a big deal.
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Drew holidays in the in Milwaukee.
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They make a deal a little bit later.
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They have a sign and trade in place, basically sending Donte DiVincenzo first on Ilyasova, who felt like the guy speaking of Taurean Prince, the guy who has been used a salary matching for what, like a year and a half now Just unpack my bags.
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And then and then D. J.
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Wilson as well, who some people love.
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I'm one of those weirdoes who loves D J. Wilson.
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Other people don't look.
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They were busy last night, and they now have six players on their roster. Five.
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If you don't count the, uh, the younger is it younger or older? Onto to Campo? Thanasis.
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Is he younger? He's older.
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E think he's the older one.
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He's coming in at 28 years old.
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He's There's Costa's Alex and Fina's.
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I think I think that's the older one.
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So regardless they have six players right now it's It's booked on Bogdanovich, uh, Drew Holiday Yanis, Chris Middleton, Brook, Lopez and Thanasis.
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That's the team, right? Well, great news.
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It only you only need five on the court.
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So if anything, they actually have to think you think you really think about it.
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They almost have a surplus of players at this point Before we get into, like, more serious looks at this one of my favorite things I don't remember who said this like this is Jackson.
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Frank on Twitter said that this is the perfect way to make book to make Bud play his starters.
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You want that? But your move, my friend, you've got which is so like that's, um, galaxy brain thinking right there to strip the bucks of their depth.
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So but can't you just 30 minutes in the playoffs.
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But this is where you end up with where you go.
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Oh, box score.
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40 minutes for its Jakubko.
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Yeah, wrong brother.
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You have that backwards, but still found a way.
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Yanis Onley got 20 minutes. That's just the way.
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Yeah, they have, like, I don't know like D j. Signed D J.
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Augustine anyplace.
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28 minutes for them.
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They're like, Yeah, we just had to rescue Honest for, uh, you know his age.
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Alright, End up ****s jokes.
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I'm buds.
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The blood books are endless for me.
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What do you think of this team? Are they good or a bad? They improved.
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What do you think? Yeah, I'll briefly say I think that the players going to the pelicans it's nice for them because in addition to all those assets, which is the most important thing, they end up keeping some veteran presence, which I think is important that relatively young rosters, what they liked about holiday, right veteran guy with that young team.
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They're so good for that on the bucks side of it.
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This you got to make this move, you know, and you can say that it's your own fault for me This way.
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We expected the bucks to be more impressive come playoff time.
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The last couple of years, they haven't been.
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You have Yanis about to get into his potential walk here.
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You had to do something that was going to prove this season to Yanis that this franchise organization is willing to do what's necessary, and then you can put yourself in a good position to win.
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Listen, I I think you know that they're getting They're getting bigger, They got more length.
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The perimeter shooting is there.
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I know that probably from inside the existence, maybe the potential pitfalls or issues around this.
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But as we were gearing up to get on here now it just comes down to who are the MLS that come into this roster? How do you fill out the other spots there to supplement in the second unit? Because they've had some nice balance there the last couple of seasons off of their bench.
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And then you're now you're still saying we're hinging on health like everything has to go right for them for this starting unit to be successful this year.
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And you need Brook Lopez to keep doing what he has been doing for them.
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But he's not young, you know.
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You're only one maybe fluky injury from him going down, and all of a sudden you're looking at the five and saying, What are we now? If we need to start flexing, you know where Yanis is playing and how we look at our rotation, they are.
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They traded out regular season wins for playoff propensity like that.
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They're not going to be.
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We're gonna go the bucks they're taking.
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Oh, I know how the d A works.
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They're going to come out Gates.
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There's probably Yeah.
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I mean, I think this is the pitfalls of being a small market team.
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Um, first off, you could have just kept Brogden.
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You could have.
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You could have kept Brogden on you.
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Wouldn't be ridiculous deals, Let's because let's be honest on paper, sending three first round picks and to pick swaps for Drew.
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Holiday.
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It's a lot.
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It's ridiculous.
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It's ridiculous, That is, that is a stay.
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Say that is a lot.
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The Nets work by everything I've heard, very reluctant to put carry slivered in very reluctant, and it felt like they were going to drag that out really throughout all the way through free agency.
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That's kind of what it felt like.
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You know, the pelican started putting their claws in the Celtics.
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I don't even know if that Celtics noise was really or if it was just Danny Green's Danny aim saying Danny Green, Danny, that's the only time we're gonna I know it wasn't I knew it couldn't have been really? Because Danny Green was talking about it.
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He doesn't have any connection any of this.
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So e No, Uh, Danny.
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Danny, Great.
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That any age, I don't know if Danny Ainge was ever really that interested in Drew holiday or if you just want to, you know, screw Sean Marks.
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I don't know, but regardless, the bucks, they made this ridiculous deal.
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It really doesn't matter if you get Yonas to sign the Supermax, because now you've really put an interesting team around them.
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I don't know how much better they are.
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Like you look at how Chris Middleton and Bogdanovich scored and what they're shot.
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Profile really looks like it's very similar.
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They don't necessarily pressure the basket of a ton there.
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Uh, I would say probably about the same in shot generation, but what they do have is just guys that can make threes now like that.
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I think it was synergy stats through this up on Twitter.
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Uh, they said I believe he's a 62% effective field goal shooter on catch and shoot looks, which is way up from there. Catch and shoot percentage.
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Last year, the bucks, which was really near the bottom of the league.
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They were a team that likes to shoot a lot of threes.
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They didn't necessarily make a lot of them.
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So when you're running an offense around Yanis, Yes, you want to take a bunch of threes, But I just wanna make up, So I mean, this is gonna be a lot better for them.
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The other thing that's nice about Bogdanovich is similar to Middleton, who It wasn't great in every game in the playoffs this this last year.
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But he's somebody.
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If he gets run off the line, he's going to create a little bit.
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They have a little bit more.
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I don't know if it's enough, but they have a little bit more and then Drew like I don't know.
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I don't really know what to expect.
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I know what to expect on defense, but scoring wise.
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I mean, you know, I'm just I'm curious.
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I'm curious to see what it looks like.
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Well, you'll get good opportunities to you think about, you know, Drew is going to be surrounded by the best players that he's ever played alongside.
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I know Anthony Davis was there, obviously, New Orleans, but in terms of having honest and then you even say, having a big like Brook Lopez that on the perimeter.
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So what? His opportunities on the offensive end are going to look different than they had in the past for him, but ultimately, yes, you know this isn't upgrade for them.
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I think it makes them more dangerous team specifically in the playoffs, and that's where it matters the most for them.
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The interesting thing to me is gonna be like that.
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But this movie is about like you better be losing in the Game seven of the conference finals as the ba*****t, and then you bet you will be in the finals.
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Like, I think that's what the expectation is.
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Right or wrong internally, that's what they think these moves are setting them up for, because that's where you need to be to get you on its back on the Supermax and and also to attract holiday back on another contract is like so it's going to be interesting.
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This is the chips in the middle, the proverbial Kawhi Leonard to Toronto, kind of move that they've made here, and then it specifically revolves around what you accomplished in this season as it stands right now.
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I love their chances.
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They're still gonna other things are about to potentially happen around the Eastern Conference, though.
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And that's gonna throw in a different wrench.
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And then you're gonna say, Oh, now, how do we fill out beyond the six players we have on our roster currently? How do we fill this out, then to balance what we're gonna have to take on and deep playoff runs as well? So I mean, listen, they had to do something.
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This is better than them standing pat and maybe making marginal moves.
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I think that this is about as big a jump is You could have made short of, you know, going and getting a James Harden, as everyone like, at least thought, Oh, maybe you want to go for him to go.
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What does that look like? We don't know.
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We're throwing our hat in the ring.
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So I'd like to think that this was a foster around Johannes and Middleton and Lopez that that that, you know, that's the core three that you feel like is the winning recipe for them.
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And hopefully these guys contribute to that.
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What I like is I you know it's because it's funny.
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Like Bogdanovich I like.
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I don't know if I like him as much as other people, but we also haven't seen him in a situation where he's playing next to Yannis, who I mean, is this the new Like, I guess Luca would be in this class too.
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But, like Yannis is one of those guys that you play with him.
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And you're just what, two times better than you normally are because of the ease of the looks you're getting like, That's really exciting for him and for them, especially like they just I don't know, I I I'm just really curious to see what they look like.
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I also like, I mean, the thing withdrew is like, you're gonna you're gonna maintain a lot of what? What you brought defensively this last year? Yes, you're losing Donte DiVincenzo because I think the combined loss of DiVincenzo and Bledsoe and I guess George Hill is Well, um, they're probably going to feel that I don't think they're gonna be quite a good defensively, which I mean again, they were like historically great defense.
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So it's like you, you really can't go anywhere but down But, um, yeah, I'm just I'm curious.
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Like I'm really, really curious.
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I could see this going really any number of ways I could see them, you know, being 10, you know, considerably better.
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And me looking back at this stream being like God, what a fool I was.
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But I could also see them.
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You know, we get all excited about these moves on paper, and then it's like, Oh, yeah, this really move the needle that much like, I don't know what's off here.
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And I e you know, short off season, short training, you know, everything ramped up here.
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So obviously the early stage of the season are gonna look probably clunky for any teams that make big moves in terms of find those pieces.
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Yeah, you have, Yannis.
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And then, you know, when you have a big, like Lopez that stretches the floor like that on the defensive side for for other teams, these guys were gonna look better than they've ever looked.
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Right? So the elevation of their game is what you're looking at and what you're assuming is going to change.
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And by the way, this can also impact Middleton and what he looks like in his production, because now you're also putting other players around.
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It are better, at least in the starting five units.
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So Middleton, much more.
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He's gonna have so much more airspace.
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It's like that.
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And that is another thing, like man, like if if you can figure out a way to just take off a tiny bit of pressure because I still worry them a little bit like Okay, who's taking the last shot? Who's doing this? Who's doing that? Um, it's not unlike the occupants.
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Toronto scenario, right? Like for Bill? Typically, we go.
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If we just didn't.
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I need him to do as much.
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He'd actually be so much better at a slightly a slightly clips.
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So I think that's what you're going to see.
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A little bit of two for sure, and I'm also excited, like I don't feel like I've watched enough true holiday in the last couple years.
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I've watched a lot of the defense of stuff, but like just like the offense stuff, I just I don't know.
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I mean, look like e didn't watch enough pelicans ball on like this will be fun.
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Like these air players I wanna be watching more So we're on a ba*****t Western Conference team.
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I watched, you know, it's funny.
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I watched watched him in the bubble and Drew didn't look great.
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And they looked off overall.
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So we'll see.
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I think coaching is just gonna be so huge for them.
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I I just you know, I mean, I've been that the bud pessimist since I don't know for a while, but, you know, I don't know what e don't know.
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I just, uh that would be the next move, right? If they come out slow, we'll see how aggressive.
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Oh, you know, let me leave you with this before we move on.
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So making these moves, Do you think that this suggests that they think Yannis is coming back for the Supermax or not? Because I I'm curious.
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I think what it tells you is probably yes, that they believe is coming back on the Supermax.
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And this doesn't have to be the end all be all these moves that they've made this year.
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I know you're you've mortgaged a lot to do so but I think what the message they're sending was we're going to do whatever it takes, right? We're willing to do whatever it takes to get the players here.
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And unlike a major market, we gotta sacrifice all these all this draft capital to get in holiday and to make the Bogdanova trade etcetera.
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Okay, that's what we're gonna do, Yanis.
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We're We are consistently going to do whatever we think we need.
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Whatever you think you need around you to be successful as long as they can show that commitment.
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To be honest, that's enough, I think, for a player of his personality, as far as what we know for him to say.
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Okay, I feel comfortable here.
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I like it here.
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And I know the organization is willing to go out and do it cause by the way, you can run back into free agency next year.
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And you can tweet this roster again.
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You're going to be able to do that.
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And that's gonna be the route going forward without the draft capital.
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So now they can go into free agency.
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Maybe they'll This also gets comes down to what we go into luxury tax hits when we pay those penalties to bring in another player here and now with this core, you could maybe even b'more enticing.
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It's not just you honest to attract another player there.
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Now you do have drew holiday and it's veteran, you know? And you do have Middleton you do have looked at.
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So I think it shows commitment.
00:16:27
The only thing that's gonna prevent Yanis from I think coming back on the Supermax is if this doesn't go according to plan, if they have a relatively same exit in the playoffs like they've had the last two years, then I think you could see Yonas at least being open to the idea of saying I have to at least hear the conversations from other teams about what they're offering, because I can look around this landscape very quickly and say, Okay, I could see myself plugging in over here and having to do probably far less work to still get even more benefits of getting deeper into playoff runs.
00:16:57
But you know, 80% 85% that he's back on a Supermax next year.
00:17:03
I think at this point I mean, so I am.
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I'm I don't know.
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I honestly like I think he's gonna be back because I think he's always told us that he wants to come back.
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And he's just, you know, doing part of the job is being mysterious and tryingto work your team a little bit to get things done.
00:17:23
Because, like, I mean, look like I gotta say credit to Johannes because I think John is is a big reason these moves happening.
00:17:31
I don't know if they would have, like good, get yourself some players get yourself the best that this is the best trade asset right now other than James Harden, who seems like he's available.
00:17:40
Um, this is the best player on the market right now. You just got him.
00:17:44
Congrats. That's sweet.
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We don't know when that's gonna happen again, you know? And his alleged commitment is like you said is what makes it enticing for, you know, via trade or whatever, but just makes enticing for players to wanna come there.
00:17:55
If your holiday, you have to be stoked, you're 31 years old, you're going to play with the best player, the best to whatever I want you to do.
00:18:02
Your hierarchy is one of the best yellow p, and I get to go play with him now.
00:18:08
Yeah, I feel great about that, right? Like so so that that's what you're looking to do.
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And you're not gonna have any animosity or tension or anything on this roster.
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They're gonna be all in from from day one.
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So that's also an important thing to Dio.
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When you're not again a major market team, you need continuity and confidence amongst your auster.
00:18:23
Yep, yep.
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So I mean, look, I mean, I just I wanna watch him.
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That's that's where I'm at right now.
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I want to see him.
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I dio I think they're gonna be really fun.
00:18:32
And it's just it's gonna be a bunch of players that I think a lot of fans like myself.
00:18:37
I guess I just again.
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I want to see some of these guys on really meaningful team.
00:18:43
So it's exciting.
00:18:44
Uh, do we do our heart and stuff? Did you You talked about CP three a little bit yesterday? Yeah, Yeah, we touched on it a bit there with me.
00:18:54
So, unfortunately, the person and I missed a lot of the other more exciting things, but we did touch on that briefly and just how it, you know? Listen, it's interesting to watch a guy like C three God rotating around the league and seemingly being effective everywhere that he goes and gets somehow being regarded as this guy's done, it's over for them.
00:19:10
I I love that movie.
00:19:11
I know you love that move going down to Phoenix, so that's good for them.
00:19:14
I'm just know that we we talked about this on a stream off that in July, and this happened, like, what does that ever happen when you're just throwing out random? What have we thrown out? We feel like Buddy Hell to the Celtics.
00:19:26
There's somewhere that way.
00:19:28
There's been some conquers in There is well, but the point is, we did mention this along the way, so that that's great.
00:19:36
That's exciting.
00:19:37
But I guess maybe I know the hard piece is the biggest one.
00:19:39
But didn't think real quick like the deal for both sides really like it.
00:19:49
It was a subtle little deal.
00:19:50
It was, you know, getting a first.
00:19:52
And I guess another protected first is nice, like its like OK to first for Robert Covington.
00:20:00
Like when you see a role player attract to first as you want, OK, I mean, I guess that's the asking price right now are like first of our draft picks at, like a real low right now.
00:20:15
I wonder if that's because of the price, because right now, like you look at how the salaries moved up.
00:20:23
First round picks are making like $10 million especially if you're at the top end of the draft.
00:20:27
I wonder if that's a big reason for that, because you have these pics being thrown around like nothing.
00:20:32
Well, that you're probably right.
00:20:34
It's a great thing to mention is like when we're talking about making these trades and it's like, Well, normally even say, the holiday one, you know, two first rounders and like, throw a third one in there because the numbers were all out of whack here.
00:20:43
We don't know what things they're gonna look like.
00:20:44
So at least we get another potential young player that we can control a little bit.
00:20:49
I think I think that Brooks just had an idea.
00:20:52
He just had a spark of life.
00:20:54
Um, but now what? What I will say is he say is like a footnote kind of deal.
00:20:59
Covington defense to a team.
00:21:06
Yeah, I think that this is a quiet move for a team that made some noise in the bubble and, you know, listen to running it back with the Lillard and McCollum.
00:21:16
Exactly, like, you know, if you're gonna keep driving.
00:21:20
Yeah, but that's what I mean, though.
00:21:23
So we could see if you're gonna keep driving this training in years past.
00:21:26
You know, even last year when you say Carmelo Anthony.
00:21:28
Oh, by the way, I My concern of having him on the team is about what happens in the playoffs.
00:21:34
When you need defense and you look at Carmelo, Anthony goes, That's not really I apologize, fellas, that zone by repertoire.
00:21:40
So you know, this is a move that makes a ton of sense for Portland because it changes what you're capable of doing when it comes to playoff time.
00:21:48
And if you're taking yourself seriously in the Western Conference, you're going to need this ability.
00:21:52
So that's why I think it's a smart move from from their end of it, for sure.
00:21:55
So I I like that because they also, by the way they see the young teams.
00:21:58
They see the Phoenix is in the movies they're making.
00:22:00
They know.
00:22:02
Portland knows that we look like a flashy team on paper with the names we have and also were delicately close to being a tent city in the Western Conference.
00:22:10
If we're not focused here, Um yeah.
00:22:13
No.
00:22:14
Like they brought in like Mario Hezonja and guys like that, just like, uh, I I love it for them.
00:22:20
I want one of these teams to get worse in the West.
00:22:24
Like eso.
00:22:25
Let's look at the West right now.
00:22:26
We have the Lakers, Clippers, nuggets, I I think I can count the Rockets out.
00:22:33
I'm its first.
00:22:35
Seems like it's gonna blow up.
00:22:37
I I don't know how you come back from this, so let's take them out.
00:22:41
The thunder are out.
00:22:42
So you're missing two teams? Utah, Dallas.
00:22:45
I guess the blazers and sons make up.
00:22:48
You're seven and eight and then you have the Grizzlies. Pelicans.
00:22:52
I forgot the Warriors to how many teams are.
00:22:56
So if you if you have, if you have Lakers, Clippers Nuggets.
00:23:00
So that's it. That's it.
00:23:01
If you if you put Golden State and the Sons of Mavericks Yeah, sums Golden State and then you're talking about, like Portland being on the back end there along with Memphis.
00:23:10
You know, obviously massive rehab from the margin.
00:23:13
Rosen picking up that adoption there in San Antonio, Just, you know, keep that in much.
00:23:17
Yeah, but yeah.
00:23:18
So that's where you are.
00:23:19
And then where do you put Portland in that hierarchy of those eight teams? They're down there.
00:23:25
They're around the seventh.
00:23:26
Like, Yeah, seven days, right? I mean, the highest.
00:23:28
You can go within its seventh, probably.
00:23:30
And you're talking about mixing it up with the likes of the feet.
00:23:34
By the way, the thunder trade away CP three, they get get back uber, right.
00:23:43
What I will say is I out of this landscape just yet.
00:23:49
Like they are only one interesting move away of, say, oh, John Rondo.
00:23:55
Like bringing a veteran point guard to replace? Not like for like, but if you could replace that, I think what they found out last year was Oh, maybe we're a little bit closer.
00:24:03
Thio conversation.
00:24:06
Then we realized so I wouldn't be.
00:24:10
They keep themselves interesting season And the Rubio pieces.
00:24:14
Nice.
00:24:15
Like a rubio Here.
00:24:17
I was a little frisky.
00:24:19
I like Ricky Rubio.
00:24:20
We mentioned I mentioned this on a stream months ago at some point along the way where I went through the stats and I don't have the top of my head about working ranks all time.
00:24:27
And the numbers is a pure point guard.
00:24:29
I get that.
00:24:30
He is not CP three.
00:24:32
Yep.
00:24:33
I also know for a fact, though, no style a point guard that convinced they're going to be a drop off there for O k.
00:24:44
C.
00:24:45
But it's also not this chasm that you know that again.
00:24:47
This isn't like, Well, we took back.
00:24:49
We took back Rubio and and Kelly, you break.
00:24:51
You know C c In three years.
00:24:53
Like there's still an interesting team.
00:24:55
They still have pieces there.
00:24:56
So I think that that's also a quiet part of that trade to where you go. Okay.
00:25:01
We didn't just give up CP three.
00:25:02
We have mildly replaced him, and then we could still go make another move here, so yeah, I'm intrigued by Okay.
00:25:09
So they might be like my my fun watch this upcoming season, depending on what they dio.
00:25:12
My problem with them is the shooting like they're like, we're gonna focus on that element e like it because I mean, by the way, you gotta look at this.
00:25:22
This starting five.
00:25:24
You have potentially potentially.
00:25:26
I don't know what it's gonna look like.
00:25:27
You're losing gallop.
00:25:28
That hurts.
00:25:29
You need gallows facing.
00:25:30
They were They were Lohan shooting last year, and they had all and Gallo.
00:25:35
So you're gonna lose those two guys.
00:25:37
So now you're working Dordt.
00:25:44
Steven Adams.
00:25:46
That's a really good defensive team.
00:25:48
They're, like, good defensively, Right? Okay, you bring I don't even mentioned.
00:25:53
Yeah, so that's your That's your six players.
00:25:58
Your first six players are all plus defenders.
00:26:01
You could say what you want about Steven Adams.
00:26:03
I'm just gonna put him there.
00:26:04
Let's just pretend like rebounding is really important for that or something like that.
00:26:08
So I could make this argument.
00:26:09
Um, your your first six players art just at the very least.
00:26:17
Good defensively.
00:26:19
The shooting isn't there.
00:26:20
I think Danny Green is probably your best shooter.
00:26:22
That's the part where I'm like, Okay, I don't know how this works, but they're interesting.
00:26:26
They're gonna be fun.
00:26:27
They're not gonna be easy to beat.
00:26:28
Especially in regular season games.
00:26:30
Like, you know what? I don't want to dio I don't wanna be in April, you know, trumping to have a night off and have to go up against the Kelly.
00:26:39
You bray Lou Dort like that's just a lot of length, and I don't know, I wouldn't want anything to do with them.
00:26:45
I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs, but they're gonna be annoying.
00:26:47
Well, that's why the the reunion, for one, James Harden is actually back with the original team in.
00:26:54
Okay, See all those assets, send them off, bringing this pure score to help balance out what you already have on defense.
00:27:02
Done.
00:27:03
Deal back in, okay.
00:27:04
See where he always dreamed that he would day.
00:27:05
No, but that's I think that's probably the biggest thing for them is gonna be.
00:27:08
Is there anything is removed that you can make to get Cem Cem pure scoring onto that roster toe help balance things out.
00:27:14
If you can do that, then you become both annoying and also a little bit exciting unto itself.
00:27:19
As they stand right now, you're gonna be this really annoying defensive team like you said.
00:27:23
You don't wanna play during the season.
00:27:24
It's gonna be hard for them, especially in the West, to really be in those conversations around the playoff picture.
00:27:30
But 11 You know they have assets.
00:27:35
What they do in the draft is thes.
00:27:37
Things can have a factor for them.
00:27:39
This could have an impact on how that rosters constructed as well.
00:27:41
It's unfortunate the draft and saying, Hey, can we grab one of these guys? But there are some very nice, pure shooters sprinkled throughout this draft class that you could say, Okay, we'll take a run at a young rookie and get him out on the floor and just see if he catches fire over the course of the season.
00:27:56
You know, what I would do is like call the Clippers, say, hey, what? Like I know you guys want to go? Do we dio What have we got to Dio? What do you want to take one of our wings whatever to just do and because you need to at the very work, which, by the way, I think their Idol season is because look, look who they they have you Bray, Danny Green, blue door on a ridiculously cheap contract.
00:28:22
If they ever wanted to move him, which I mean you could I would think about it.
00:28:26
You have all three of these guys all attractive for teams when, when? Whenever the trade deadline happens, which it seems like they're still living in February, which is bizarre to me.
00:28:36
But I mean, I guess that's how it works with the fiscal year.
00:28:38
Regardless, um, that's kind of what they're working with.
00:28:42
You do need a baseline of, like everybody to work together because if it's just like it's too much of a mess and we have no idea who's doing the scoring, it's gonna hurt everybody's value to a degree.
00:28:51
Um, but if you just bring in one score like just see again Lou Williams, they might give you an asset like I was like, I don't know.
00:29:01
I mean, maybe not.
00:29:02
But like, you know, I don't think it would be that big of an asking price.
00:29:05
You bring in one score like that because you could look at the free agency market, you say, Oh, they could bring in Jordan, Clarkson, Jordan Clarkson is probably gonna go to a contender.
00:29:13
Somebody's gonna little things scores enough to keep you in games, but not enough to leave into the playoffs.
00:29:24
They're in a really pretty situation.
00:29:26
They could get even more picks.
00:29:28
They could get their picks.
00:29:29
Well, I mean, like, and this isn't, You know, this is just the cheese.
00:29:32
I'm thinking about that, as we know, made a low level moving the Detroit Pistons like they're clearly construct things down there.
00:29:38
Derrick Rose is the Blake Griffin's of the world.
00:29:40
Those guys air on the market.
00:29:41
At least it doesn't mean that's the fit that you go forward.
00:29:43
But you have to search around those types of teams because just to be clear here, just a circle of this thing up generally 2020 and 2021.
00:29:50
That's fine.
00:29:51
We can look past that, get to the And by the way, though in 2021 alone, they're gonna have their own.
00:29:56
First, they're gonna pick up a first from Miami and or Houston, blah, blah, blah.
00:29:59
They got a second.
00:30:00
There is well, get the 2023 where they now have 123 1st round picks as well as a second round pick.
00:30:07
They have three first round picks in 2020 for a swell.
00:30:10
They have unlimited capital to like so they can over as we just said about like that, too many assets can throw this into these packages.
00:30:19
We've got nine first round picks over the next 34 years like we can over pay for whatever we want.
00:30:24
Not having impact is if we want to maintain the raw.
00:30:26
So we currently have.
00:30:27
Okay, Lou Williams, a first rounder for Lou Williams? That's a lot.
00:30:31
Whatever.
00:30:32
Great, Taking a couple of two great happen like it doesn't matter if they want to go that route.
00:30:36
The interesting thing will also be that if, even if they say they stand pad to your point at the trade deadline now, if it's really not working out in whatever, now you also have some tradable assets like Ricky Rubio could be.
00:30:47
You know, an interesting piece for a playoff team that's looking to move the needle for themselves.
00:30:51
So, Kelly, there would be a lot of very interesting pieces there.
00:30:54
They could get even Mawr assets and then just worry about packaging every single draft for the next three drafts.
00:31:00
We're gonna package and move up package and move up package and move up and get ourselves the neck, the Harden and Westbrook and you know, and the Kevin Durant right, like they drafted those players so they can find their way back to that again.
00:31:14
It wouldn't be unfamiliar territory for them to think about.
00:31:17
How do we get back to rebuilding with a young core, knowing it may take a few years? Yep.
00:31:22
There.
00:31:23
I mean, dude, I don't know.
00:31:24
I love what they're doing.
00:31:25
I love it.
00:31:26
I love it.
00:31:27
They're gonna get They're gonna get even more.
00:31:28
This is your Yeah, start.
00:31:32
What are you talking about? It's not myself.
00:31:44
Things so exceeding about the build of these things, even when it's not like the great product on the court or the expectations aren't as high as you want it to be.
00:31:52
Like, if you're in o k C fan, there's something that's, like, tantalizing about, like we got all this stuff.
00:31:56
Anything could happen.
00:31:58
Like, you know, anything is possible right now.
00:32:00
There's something very tantalizing about that.
00:32:02
For me is like a pure n ba fan where you don't know what it's gonna be.
00:32:05
And maybe that's what's exciting, because all of a sudden flash and you've got these three young stars on your team and you're you're looking like the Denver Nuggets, right? With Murray and Porter Jr.
00:32:15
There we go.
00:32:16
Oh, like all of a sudden, like, we weren't really entirely sure.
00:32:18
And then you draft these guys two years to you fun.
00:32:22
And you're kind of like this little weird Cinderella, your joy, pure fan perspective.
00:32:28
Excitement that you can have around teams when you don't have high expectations, unlike some other times when there are extremely high expectations and you're almost like untilled for literally what will be this year? 72 games straight going everything.
00:32:44
A section of of what this is or is not.
00:32:48
Uh, I'm just thinking right now, if if one doesn't stay Oh, Oh, yeah, nothing would be more exciting than if you're honest.
00:33:01
Was like, I'm gonna test it, but because I've just been working on the assumption that he comes back.
00:33:07
But my God, there they are literally sitting so pretty there, sitting so pretty, those Houston picks are gonna be pretty high, right? I mean, that's about Houston bottoming out like there's a couple of they have a pick swap in 2021.
00:33:21
So that's why you bought him out this year.
00:33:23
Um, but it will be interesting based on what Houston potentially does around James Harden And what what ends up back there, right? All of those picks can look different, depending on if we assume something's gonna happen with Harden that depending on where he ends up in what players come back, they can.
00:33:42
I mean, listen that they're not going to be, you know, top four seeds or something.
00:33:45
But they could end up being a playoff team, depending on what comes back and who they trade was.
00:33:49
So that makes it interesting.
00:33:50
Are we sure? Are we sure, though, Let's just got a lot better.
00:33:54
Are we sure? Yeah, by the way.
00:33:56
So you talk about like from any any, any any fan of any team in the East.
00:34:01
You love what's happening in the West.
00:34:03
This is especially this year when when it's gonna be mostly conference based scheduling.
00:34:07
This is a like, Oh, yeah, guys, just destroy each other.
00:34:10
Feel free to beat the crap out of the Lakers for 72 games before you make it to the playoffs so that there's an interesting perspective there.
00:34:17
I It depends like I don't know when you think about the 70 Sixers.
00:34:21
Getting into this conversation and saying is Ben Simmons, the centerpiece around it.
00:34:25
Now you can make a case as much as we may like or have issues with Ben Simmons game.
00:34:30
He alone unto himself.
00:34:32
Make a playoff team, does not in Houston, right? Like that's nice to get that back up your Houston and he's young, and that's a good thing for them to dio and also know, you know, and also get prepared to be the Ben Simmons led Houston Rockets that missed the playoffs, probably in the first year.
00:34:48
If nothing else happens, Um, and then there's the other packages, though right, and one of the other pieces there, so I wonder what it is.
00:34:53
Houston's agenda here is their agenda to strip it down and collect assets and prepare for a couple of seasons from now because you could make the case even if you ran it back in Houston.
00:35:02
As you're currently constructed, you're still two years away from waiting for the Lakers to stop being the Lakers as their constitute wait for LeBron to retire at some point.
00:35:10
So that's why I think it's easy for Houston to say, Maybe it's rebuild time for us because we were down the hierarchy anyway, So we're not going to get, you know, we're not gonna be in conference finals here over the next handful of seasons.
00:35:22
So why not try to start this rebuild? Maybe a couple of years sooner than we planned on it, And less.
00:35:27
When you also want James Harden turns out a $50 million extension, you also realize that writing might be on the wall there.
00:35:32
You're screwed. I mean, they're screwed right now.
00:35:34
They have No, they're they're screwed.
00:35:35
There's nothing they can dio.
00:35:37
The best thing they can dio is e guy, By the way by guy, Um, the best thing they could do right now is really just try to hold just hold their ground for a long as humanly possible.
00:35:54
And you know what? If Hard and Mrs Games and he sits out games, let him sit.
00:36:00
Okay.
00:36:01
You want to sit out games? Fine.
00:36:02
We'll let you sit out as many games as you want, because honestly, like, we're not gonna make the playoffs.
00:36:08
So or or maybe we make the playoffs is like an eight seed or something like that.
00:36:13
Like which? Sweet cool.
00:36:15
Uh, you know, diminishing hardens trade value by showing that In fact, this team could win.
00:36:21
What happened? I mean, look so, like, that's kind of my thing is like, you guys just you need to hold your ground as much as possible, because right now, like if you if you accept that Nets trade and and, by the way, if, if they do the thing where it's like, you know, a bunch of picks, swaps and three first kind of what you do it through, because I think that's the going right.
00:36:39
Now, Um, that's not that bad.
00:36:42
Like depending upon what things look like.
00:36:44
Like I know, like in in the moment where, like, oh, my God, like the Nets are gonna be incredible for the next 2 to 3 years.
00:36:50
Well, it's those picks and your four and five that could actually have some value because look, like as great as that team could be, do I think that they're going to retire together in Brooklyn? No, I absolutely don't.
00:37:01
I think they're gonna play together for 2 to 3 years and everybody's gonna go their separate ways because that's how this league works now.
00:37:05
So that's what you're hoping for is Houston, But what's the cornerstone because you don't see those trades that much like even last year with, you know, with the A D thing.
00:37:19
Ingram was at least 22 he put up 18 like carrots.
00:37:23
Avert is 27 injured every year and is, you know, inefficient right now.
00:37:29
Yeah, that's the hard part for me, man.
00:37:30
That's where it's so to your first point there about, like, holding on as long as you can.
00:37:35
If you're Houston, I unless you get your doors blown off by a trade.
00:37:41
Unless you're creating competition around hard amongst a few teams, your drumming up the price and that's great.
00:37:47
But if you're to your point like you're not going anywhere this year, that's fine.
00:37:50
If you're Houston, hold on to harden, get closer to the trade deadline and see if you get another team right.
00:37:56
If we think that Phil has been in the talks, obviously, Brooklyn's the big one.
00:37:59
Miami was even floated out there loosely, although all indications are they wouldn't part with, like a hero or Obama Auto bio.
00:38:04
So it may be takes them out of that conversation potentially.
00:38:08
But you get down the trade deadline name, you know, name three teams in the West that air in the middle of the pack that would love to jump up and could see hard and beating that movable piece or in the East.
00:38:18
Maybe if the Miami Heat are willing to do it now, but they're far more willing to do with the trade deadline.
00:38:23
If they feel like they need to get into this conversation.
00:38:25
They see themselves slipping down behind Milwaukee or down behind Brooklyn, depending on what they come out the doors with as well.
00:38:31
So I think you can still up your value by holding onto him a little bit longer than the hard part for me.
00:38:36
Is that you said it Cornerstone piece.
00:38:38
So Brooklyn specifically, I like Jared Allen.
00:38:42
I like Jared Allen on the Nets.
00:38:44
It doesn't mean that he is enticing the other teams.
00:38:46
Like said, That's another Clint Capela kind of situation for for Houston in terms of the cost coming up in another year here, do you want to be ready to commit close to $100 million to Jared Allen? That's as much a question about the choice you make here.
00:39:00
Is anything Caris Levert's 27? Arguably, I would say that the the most interesting one who has his opt out option for next year will be Spencer Dinwiddie, because I actually think like you can plug him right in and he can James harden the season for you in Houston.
00:39:15
It doesn't mean that he's as valuable as all that, but 26 years old? The problem is, man Ben Simmons is a more center.
00:39:22
Obviously, if Miami wants into the talk, their arm or there are more attractive piece, I just don't unto themselves like how attractive now Tyler here was young, so long term. He's really attractive.
00:39:35
But in the short term, how attractive is he? First Houston, right, like either here, alone on Houston, is just Tyler hero on Houston.
00:39:42
He's not Tyler hero with bam Odd about Jimmy Butler.
00:39:46
And with all the compliments, Miami.
00:39:47
That, to me is the most attractive one, even above Ben Simmons, because I think the upside potential of where Tyler hero could go in his career or bam out of bio.
00:39:55
That's, Ah possibility from Miami side of it.
00:39:57
Those that's the direction you'd love to go.
00:39:59
If you're Houston, I don't think from what rumored, even those are on the table is the somebody brought up an interesting one.
00:40:06
Yesterday I was talking with, um, I was talking with Excuse me, Jackson, Jackson.
00:40:13
I forget his last name here.
00:40:14
I'll get to in a second from locked on Rockets that we were talking about the speculative rumors, and the one thing he said was so there were more kind of taste.
00:40:20
The gentleman step away at the end of the year and then casually walks over and takes a job with the Philadelphia 70 Sixers.
00:40:26
He at least indicated that there's some level of, like would Houston kind of spite the 70 Sixers and not not be willing to engage and give hardened over to their former GM, who maybe didn't leave underneath.
00:40:40
The best cir***stance necessarily so does that at all.
00:40:43
Cloud what Philadelphia could accomplish with Houston, potentially in a trade.
00:40:46
So that's an interesting, like subplot to this.
00:40:49
But I I need another team.
00:40:51
Another team probably has to be to get involved here in a conversation of what they consent to Houston for Houston's or really see untie sing package that makes them competitive in the short term, as opposed to waiting 2023 2024.
00:41:05
And really valuable draft assets.
00:41:10
I don't Do you like it? If the heat because the heat or the self The stealth team for me, The Nuggets.
00:41:16
I guess the Nuggets could be interesting, though.
00:41:18
I don't know if I like.
00:41:20
I don't know.
00:41:21
I like Is he going to stay? I just little mixed on that.
00:41:25
Dependent doesn't.
00:41:26
Okay, it doesn't.
00:41:27
So we'll get the heater.
00:41:28
The heater? Like the team where I'm like.
00:41:31
I'm not sure I do.
00:41:32
That eso that's the point, Right? Maybe one of the most attractive packages Miami and from Yeah, but we're, like, really good at building rosters.
00:41:42
Yeah.
00:41:43
Are you gonna win with James Harden and Jimmy? And so Well, so But this isn't this the the addition by subtraction, the ratios that you do there.
00:41:55
So when you're like Brooklyn and you say Okay, we're losing two scorers in Den Witty and Laverty.
00:42:01
Alright.
00:42:02
But we know what the upside is of James Harden.
00:42:04
It's a net gain for us.
00:42:08
They're always doing that right.
00:42:09
What we would be gaining and losing here in terms of production and then what you're really holding on for with the heart and is like, What does it mean? Come playoff time, you're losing a lot of what was the core of what you accomplished last year.
00:42:20
If it's a hero, if it's an odd about like, it's Houston going to say we want both of those players, that seems like a really Oma border.
00:42:28
Like easy pass for Miami.
00:42:30
If you're like you want are two Premier.
00:42:32
Yeah, poor of this team.
00:42:35
That's a big ass there.
00:42:36
If you're Miami now, does Pat Riley look at it, We can do it again.
00:42:45
We draft really well, we culturally Well, we scout.
00:42:48
We develop really well, so we can Yeah, we got another.
00:42:58
We got another one that we can pull here So that that's the interesting thing is like, How are these players valued internally? I think Miami out of out of a few organizations, the fly is they need to because again, there also an attractive market for free agents.
00:43:15
So they might be comfortable with doing it, even if on paper, I don't know what how that moves the needle in the short term for them.
00:43:23
As far as what? You know what that Jimmy Butler James Harden playoff team looks like for them? Yeah, I just I don't I just don't know if I see the I don't know.
00:43:34
I just I don't know if I see it for them like it's just you mentioned the Nuggets, though.
00:43:39
No.
00:43:40
Is that an attractive that whatever was that movement? He signs off on it.
00:43:44
Like, I think, even if they move him like e mean, I don't know.
00:43:49
What is the Nuggets trade look like a million picks? Are you really gonna mortgage a million picks for Harden, Who's a who could be a free agent, I guess.
00:43:55
In what, 2023? Yeah, I don't know.
00:43:59
I don't know if I would do that and then Michael Porter Jr and a bunch of picks and and that's fine.
00:44:05
That's great that you did that.
00:44:08
That wasn't the mole.
00:44:09
Murray hard, and I just a lot of questions.
00:44:11
But it isn't that the problem, too.
00:44:13
When you think about these teams like it has to be a team that is superstar heavy.
00:44:20
So even in Philadelphia, what we have Joe L and B.
00:44:23
Now Tobias Harris has been a bit of a disappointment as far as the contract goes, but if you add in the hardened, all of a sudden, his game is gonna look that much better around him.
00:44:31
But you need a team like that.
00:44:33
You need a team like Brooklyn who has two superstars to top 10 guys to say, Oh, this is just a thing that puts us dry over the top.
00:44:39
Now we're talking championship or bust over the next two seasons.
00:44:42
Where is your point? Denver If you bring them in there if you get better.
00:44:45
Yes, of course you dio.
00:44:46
But is it conference finals? Better? Is it finals appearance? Better? And if not the things that you mortgage to accomplish that trade can be decimating in two years when James Harden has gone like that. That's the real problem.
00:44:58
You're only talking about a two year window here with Harden before either somewhere else or at 33.
00:45:03
What does this game look like, right? It's again going to be an evaluation process of where he is and what he is to a team around the N B A.
00:45:09
So that's the tricky part.
00:45:11
If you wanna pull in, you know, sneaky team that's gonna hop into this mix.
00:45:16
You know what is your Boston? Uh oh, but what is that? Because they might make the trip.
00:45:30
Here's the Danny Ainge where it's like, Okay, like I'm thinking about it.
00:45:33
We almost got him this time.
00:45:35
It's like, All right, Danny Ainge, like you're never going to make the trade just would you flash up? But let's say, yeah, maybe we will, though. You don't know guys.
00:45:43
Maybe we, uh but what? I mean, let's just like just for sake of argument, a walking down.
00:45:47
Is it the Jalen Brown's? Is it the You know Who else is that? That's the centerpiece, because obviously, Tatum's off the table.
00:45:54
Let's just be clear there from Boston's perspective.
00:45:56
So it's Jalen Brown and anything and anything else that you want outside.
00:46:02
Pretty much e.
00:46:06
It's that intriguing, seeing how Kemba Walker was relatively low key in terms of crunch time, really coming up big for them and being able to lead them from a corner scoring perspective down the stretches of games and thinking maybe some pressure off the Tatum as he takes us next week like that's a nice little pairing if you if you still have Kemba Walker there.
00:46:24
If you're not losing him in the trade as well, what speculative you could say, Maybe that's a part of it, too.
00:46:29
But if you have Kemba Walker and James Harden in the backcourt there, that's a That's a pretty needle moving kind of thing for a team that that that hangs its hat on.
00:46:37
A lot of defensive a***en and some of those positions.
00:46:40
You talk about the markets, parts of the world.
00:46:42
They're not exactly upper echelon at the center position.
00:46:45
So how do you mitigate that? Well, you get better, you get better on the perimeter, you get better on bald guys that can really shoot and scored with consistency.
00:46:53
They'd be enticing outside the fact that Danny Ainge obviously isn't gonna do it.
00:46:56
I mean, other than that, Well, the other thing is, is Caris Levert and a billion picks mhm better than Jalen Brown.
00:47:04
A couple I would actually argue.
00:47:06
It almost is like I like Jalen Brown.
00:47:09
They he's a good player.
00:47:10
You might even be an all star a couple of times.
00:47:14
I just don't know if it's like if you're getting way more draft capital from the Nets and especially like picks when you get out till, like, 20 ups in those years.
00:47:28
Like I almost wonder if I'd rather get that Because Jalen Brown as good as he is like What is he, a third best player on a championship team? Onley different.
00:47:36
I guess the only difference is 23.
00:47:38
Jalen Brown is still on Lee 20 like it feels like he's been around a long time, but he's still just 23.
00:47:42
So the age gap there.
00:47:43
Maybe you're talking about potential upside versus if you're getting Caris Levert, you're gonna have him for another three seasons after this one.
00:47:49
This is the kicking of that bigger off the bigger years of his contract.
00:47:53
But you're not bringing him back on a second contract? Probably.
00:47:56
You know what, 30 31 You know.
00:47:58
Okay, if anything, you're probably going to flip him in his final year of his contract and send them somewhere else to get off from underneath there.
00:48:03
Whereas Jalen Brown you can You're gonna bring him back, right? He can be there for a decade on your team if you potentially want to.
00:48:09
So maybe the outside there and I get the Onley difference is the number of assets.
00:48:15
So if you're saying let's just arbitrarily, we're gonna give you two first round picks and Jalen Brown for James Harden, that's not enough.
00:48:21
But let's just say that's the package.
00:48:22
And then on the other side of you say we're giving you Caris Levert and we're going to give you four first round picks over a couple of years.
00:48:31
Is that Is that enough where you say what we package each year we move up in Target versus Packaging one package and move up the board to change that needle.
00:48:40
So that's the other thing, too.
00:48:41
Um, again, because Houston in the Western Conference, I feel like the MAWR they get from a draft perspective is obviously going to be the path for them just because it gives them the ability.
00:48:51
But this is the only issue I have with these rumors around James Harden to Brooklyn being like Automatic.
00:48:57
My only issue is it on.
00:48:59
Lee takes other teams wanting James Harden for the Brooklyn Nets to tumble down that list like they do not beyond mortgaging the future of draft assets.
00:49:09
They do not have the most enticing players, like even even the collection of them is not more enticing than, say, four guys from Brooklyn.
00:49:16
Spencer, Dinwiddie, Caris, Levert, Tory on Prince and Jared Allen plus pick offers that you're getting here.
00:50:03
And how much are you getting behind the doors of hardened being like like, Yeah, good luck.
00:50:06
Let's I'll telegraph through the media that if I get sent to Philly, I'm gonna be pretty disgruntled by it.
00:50:13
I'm not gonna love it.
00:50:14
He seemed open, though I think he is.
00:50:16
I'm not feel it was the, you know the example, but like he can if he doesn't want it.
00:50:20
And that's Brooklyn.
00:50:25
The connection to K. D.
00:50:27
In the days and I get it all that stuff also, you can you can go to him and say We're thinking about sending you to Philly.
00:50:34
You think that he doesn't look at that.
00:50:35
That roster underneath Doc Rivers would be there like he gets it.
00:50:39
And if it's about winning championships? Yeah, exactly.
00:50:41
He could look at that and say, Yeah, that's a really good landing spot.
00:50:44
So I don't think this is as, like, narrow focused on hard into Brooklyn as we perceive it today.
00:50:53
It's, I mean, look like The thing of Philly is like, if you're if you're Rafael Stone and you have a awesome great I'm so sorry that you had to take this job.
00:51:07
And I feel even worse for their new coach.
00:51:09
Um, let sucks like that sucks.
00:51:13
Um, but it's so happy to be here.
00:51:16
I wanna be trading e.
00:51:17
I feel so bad for you.
00:51:19
Um, if you're the if you're the Houston Rockets general manager and you refuse to do business with Daryl Morey and Ben Simmons is on the table.
00:51:33
Oh, God, that is awful.
00:51:35
Like that's done.
00:51:37
You're at that point, you're just handicapping yourself. That's that's terrible.
00:51:40
That's terrible GM IQ.
00:51:42
It's just it's bad.
00:51:43
Like I'm sorry.
00:51:44
It's sometimes like you have to suck it up and you have to take the best thing available.
00:51:48
By the way, you get Ben Simmons, who is 22 23 a guy that's gonna potentially be a defensive player of the year candidate for a bunch of years, one of the best passers in the league, a guy that you never know.
00:52:03
You never know what the offense is gonna turn into, but at the very least, he's somebody that's gonna be really fun to play with if you're if you bring in other young players, you draft other young players, whatever.
00:52:13
That's exactly the guy you want to get with one of these picks that you potentially be getting from the Nets.
00:52:19
You'd be hoping for a Ben Simmons you if he is on the table.
00:52:23
And by the way, I think there will hit a point where Daryl Morey Daryl Morey is gonna throw.
00:52:30
I mean, it's is notorious for throwing, you know, complete bs that other teams and being like, Hey, what do you think of what do you think about Horford and T stable in the first for James Harden? And it's like and that's what we got right now, like the Bold.
00:52:45
But it works slowly and slowly and slowly.
00:52:49
And I think eventually if he puts Ben Simmons on the table, you almost have to do it.
00:52:53
If you're Houston because otherwise what are you gonna dio take this sort of? Okay, Brooklyn trade.
00:52:59
I think that's inevitably where it goes.
00:53:02
But if Houston it all comes down to what Houston does, if Houston is just like we don't wanna help Daryl Morey and they take this trade or they say, We just don't want to do John Moore.
00:53:11
You almost have to work with Brooklyn. Ugo.
00:53:13
That's one of the two options we've gone through.
00:53:14
All the teams we talked about Boston we're talking about Denver.
00:53:18
Box is the only other team that makes sense.
00:53:20
I don't think that's happening.
00:53:21
It doesn't really seem like it seems like they wanna build for longevity and build around Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, which you know truthfully, I don't necessarily agree with.
00:53:29
I don't know, that's what I would do.
00:53:30
But whatever do you over there? Um, then I don't know who else is gonna be, so that could have come down.
00:53:38
And that's why that's why I think you have tow work with Philly.
00:53:41
If that's on the table, because again, the carousel Herbert Spencer Damewood He's the Jalen Brown, all these guys.
00:53:46
The difference is the thing that you that it's so hard to have, and it's always hard to gauge when you're watching.
00:53:51
MBA is defensive play defensive, a do***ent that capability you can.
00:53:56
You can surround players with shooters.
00:53:59
Shooters are findable across the league.
00:54:02
You could get him on MLS you could get him in the draft.
00:54:05
You can supplement the quality defensive unit.
00:54:08
So Bentsen's becomes that cornerstone. You go.
00:54:11
Okay. We'll figure out the rest.
00:54:13
This is the gem there.
00:54:14
Where again? If you make a trip with any other teams, all you've done is said Okay, let's see where we end up in a few years.
00:54:21
That's what you're saying.
00:54:22
You know, you're pushing the pause, but and that's okay.
00:54:24
But if you have the chance, man, if you if you cut off your nose to spite your face and you don't deal with Philly and Simmons is on the table, then guess what then.
00:54:32
I hope Houston is the is the worst team in the NBA for the next day.
00:54:35
Because that's what you just served.
00:54:36
You know, that s o like a Leo.
00:54:42
It gets exciting.
00:54:45
A bad that could have been time with a little We're off a little bit.
00:54:49
Um, no, I I mean, the other thing is you have Jared Allen.
00:54:53
We talked about this before we came on air, Jared Allen wanting a big extension and like congrats and get Spencer Dinwiddie for a protected pick.
00:55:01
That's what you can dio E.
00:55:04
I'm not trying to be this guy like I'm not going to be this guy for Brooklyn's fans and, like, you know, and throw cold water on this ah guy that can opt out next year.
00:55:11
And Spencer Dinwiddie, a guy that's coming up for a contract, and Jared Allen like that factors in if the pics are not, you know, just falling out of the PAP.
00:55:20
Who's that? They deliver it in.
00:55:21
Like, if it's not some 10 pick offer, then it is also about the players, and you're talking about a guy that's gonna be expensive and a guy that's not gonna be there like and and you're still talking about it.
00:55:33
It's OK you can afford to do If you're talking about locking up 16 to $18 million in Paris, labored over the next four years like it just doesn't it does not make the most sense on paper doesn't mean they won't do it, but it's a confusing at best and a less than ideal scenario for Houston if they choose to go that direction.
00:55:52
Yeah, I just like E.
00:55:54
I mean, you're not even getting a brand of Ingram in this deal.
00:55:58
You're not like care is thing I like.
00:56:00
I understand it.
00:56:01
Yeah, the star potential is there.
00:56:03
But you make such a great point.
00:56:04
Like even if he looks awesome, he's getting rerouted somewhere.
00:56:08
And then you're in the situation again.
00:56:10
Where, by the way, much tougher start.
00:56:12
Even if a lot of things go right for him. Tougher.
00:56:15
Start a deal.
00:56:16
Not gonna fit everywhere.
00:56:17
Assumpta, Vly! Um and all of a sudden you have this weird star that maybe only fits on 10 teams in the league and you're hoping to get a little bit of draft capital back? I just It's a lot of ifs and there is no ifs with Ben Simmons.
00:56:34
You get Ben Simmons and you, they're going to be.
00:56:36
I'm not saying teams are gonna line or players they're gonna line up to play with him, But he's gonna be really fun to play with that.
00:56:43
If you have Simmons, you're an attractive destination.
00:56:47
That's the difference to Caris.
00:56:48
Levert doesn't move that needle on the market the way that Ben Simmons would.
00:56:52
So that's the difference to it means one year from now you could be in free agency talking to some of the big names that are gonna be out there and saying, Look, we have been Simmons.
00:57:01
We want to pair you with him.
00:57:02
That's how you turn around and you conference a year removed from what felt like the end of the era for for the Houston Rockets.
00:57:11
All of a sudden you're right back there being competitive.
00:57:12
That again, if it was May, If you're paying me the big bucks in Houston, I'm That's what I'm angling for that that is the sole focus that I have.
00:57:21
I'm in Houston first and foremost.
00:57:22
Everything after that is a I'll wait and see.
00:57:25
We'll get to the truth on the market. But I'm not.
00:57:29
I'm not pushing the panic button to trade Harden from Houston any sooner than I have to before I find every available offer and before I determine if I'm willing to deal with Morrie in Philadelphia.
00:57:39
One last thing I thought of and I figured this was gonna be a long one today, but it should be.
00:57:44
This is a great we got a lot to talk about today.
00:57:46
Um, if I'm Houston and I know what I know about Maury.
00:57:52
Oh, I'm making this deal because the way Mori is, you know, does General managing is highly unsustainable.
00:58:01
Looking out, this'll galaxy brand.
00:58:06
I'm like, Oh, we're gonna get all these future picks.
00:58:09
Sweet.
00:58:10
This experiment might not last for two or three years.
00:58:14
The combination of Philadelphia has been up to the last handful of years.
00:58:19
Yeah, absolutely.
00:58:20
And then bringing in here on board.
00:58:21
And they're like, Hey, buddy, Ah, lot of these assets that we think are back end.
00:58:25
It could actually be skyrocketing in a matter of two or three seasons.
00:58:29
There's a There's a world where all of a sudden, in two years, there Jennison and bead and trying to go in Yeah, like that.
00:58:37
They're looking at their books like, Oh, Tobias Harris on a max contract.
00:58:40
Al Horford on a max contract.
00:58:43
You know what? We are gonna take Benson, because way we'll do, you see? Oh, you're welcome.
00:58:51
We took this 22 year old sack of coal off your hands.
00:58:54
Yeah, like I just It seems easy.
00:58:59
It seems obvious to be and you gotta look out for the future of your franchise.
00:59:05
I mean, say what you want about the Kyrie k d.
00:59:07
James Harden thing.
00:59:09
Yeah, it's a lot of personalities.
00:59:10
Don't really know how it works.
00:59:11
But But, man, if they work, those picks are gonna be worthless.
00:59:16
Yes, thanks. Way.
00:59:23
All agree.
00:59:26
Are you automatically? Also, I'm okay with the Brooklyn Nets, and I think they're okay as well.
00:59:33
Just buy that.
00:59:34
I think Sean Marks is totally comfortable walking into this season with Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving with DeAndre Jordan and Jared Allen bringing back Joe Harris having caress Liberty Spencer, I'm like, I don't like by the one of the things that we've talked about so much, and Doug and I talked about two is the Nets are a very deep team right now behind their stars.
00:59:54
I think that they feel pretty comfortable that approaching the season of that way.
00:59:57
It doesn't mean that that come playoff time, feel comfortable though every single guy who has been included in these trade rumors on again.
01:00:05
And by the way, And that's why when you talk about this idea of, like, hardens, been saying it blah, blah, blah and then you and you hear at least on the surface and whoa, saying like, no talks have been engaged in by the Brooklyn Nets.
01:00:15
Like I think that is Sean Marks and the Nets just being like Faras, you know, because the past, fine.
01:00:23
But we can come back.
01:00:24
Pitch is the delicate.
01:00:26
This is the Delic thing about bringing superstars and then the expectations and moves potentially.
01:00:30
But let's be realistic here.
01:00:32
The trade conversations around terrorist lover in his value in Den Witty and Alan, This is going back to last year these guys have been talking about is being traded away at some point since since the day that Kyrie, Irving and Kevin Durant signed there it was.
01:00:45
So do we think this roster can win with them or they need to make moves? That's been a part of what's happened in Brooklyn this entire time. It's not great.
01:00:52
But also, you know, it does mean to me that if you're Sean Marks and you're the Nets, would you love to have hard? Of course you would.
01:00:58
If it doesn't work out, you can again still look around the landscape of the league.
01:01:03
What are the small moves that we could make? How do we take $32 million of Taurean Prince and Paris? Revert and turn him into another valuable piece that we add to this roster and complements what we have here.
01:01:13
So I'm gonna be very curious about what happens leading up to the draft.
01:01:16
The next made that very small trade.
01:01:18
You call it small with the Detroit Pistons getting getting jettison.
01:01:23
Use Moussa.
01:01:24
I just did a crossover with the locked on, shook their from the lock down Detroit Pistons and I I tried to man as best I could because 75% of the Detroit Pistons fan base is disgusted by this trade.
01:01:35
They hate it.
01:01:36
They gave up Brown like Brown.
01:01:37
I go, I said, Listen first and foremost, and he broke down Brown from I said, Love Brown I.
01:01:44
He fits in beautifully with this roster, and I love that we got and he's young.
01:01:47
He's gonna be nice and complementary.
01:01:48
Defensive upside. Fantastic.
01:01:51
I said, What a bad team.
01:01:53
I apologize.
01:01:54
Like Detroit.
01:01:55
You could benefit from Moussa.
01:01:56
Being on the floor and getting minutes he can score for you like I was like even score by the way and I was like Is the some 40% shooting percentage concerning sure is the fact that that he was muddling in RG league for most of the year.
01:02:11
A problem sure has the both that he put on since he came into the league forced into what happens to a lot of players, get a little bit hunched over and crouched down, mitigating the size and length that he's supposed tohave.
01:02:23
Is that a problem? Sure.
01:02:26
I don't really know what else to tell you about Moussa, but at the end of like I could not believe it, it felt like it feels like such a fleecing.
01:02:36
You jettison the player that had zero.
01:02:40
The guy that's gonna be a rotational.
01:02:41
Yeah, actually damaging the roster in some ways just because he occupies a spot that you're not using way I can't guarantee you.
01:02:51
I guarantee you they would have waved him.
01:02:53
Oh, yeah, that hadn't happened.
01:02:54
Absolutely insane.
01:02:55
Very interesting.
01:02:56
That right now I did see.
01:02:57
By the way, though, I did see some versions where a third team has been introduced into these hardened talks in Brooklyn.
01:03:03
I saw one of them.
01:03:04
This could be speculative at best, that Brown was then listed as one of the trade pieces inside of it from Brooklyn.
01:03:11
So I you know, you want to get crazy with it.
01:03:13
It's like the Nets.
01:03:14
What they did was pivot, uh, useless asset and got a more valuable one.
01:03:18
That could be at least attractive if they need to talk about other players that make it more attractive for Houston or more attractive for a 13 that gets involved.
01:03:26
I prefer that Brown stays right where he is on this roster, and again, this speaks to me again, as constituted with all these players in the compliments.
01:03:34
Now you bring a nice little defensive.
01:03:35
It's like I just like the roster.
01:03:37
I know it's such a homer thing that it's homer thing for me to say.
01:03:40
E O Harden is better.
01:03:43
He's the best.
01:03:44
He's the answer.
01:03:45
And also, I'm just saying, like I could can wrap my head around this roster as constituted it infinitely more excited and the expectations that go infinitely higher if you go Oh, here comes J.
01:04:01
Here comes the deer just walking down the street, heading into headed into the Barclays Center.
01:04:04
So I get it all.
01:04:06
And maybe I'm just trying to hedge my emotional bets here because I don't You know, I don't want to do what a lot of fans have done.
01:04:11
Just all a matter of time.
01:04:13
It's all a matter of time before hardens here, like I need to understand that there's a world where he's not on this.
01:04:20
I'm one of those people.
01:04:21
I Hey, let me lay this production down right now.
01:04:25
I think it happens.
01:04:27
Oh, I think it happens.
01:04:28
I think there's too much going.
01:04:29
There's not a Bradley Beal situation where it's like, Oh, they might be interested.
01:04:33
There's too much going on here.
01:04:35
There's way too much.
01:04:36
And before anybody says, Well, I don't know if the Nets going to trade all there pics.
01:04:39
Yes, you would.
01:04:40
You absolutely would.
01:04:41
I don't care what Sean Sean Marks can sit in front of the mirror and tell himself, I won't be Billy King.
01:04:46
I won't be Billy King.
01:04:47
I won't be Billy King.
01:04:48
Your if you have the opportunity to get James Harden and you're going to Dio it's such a different situation because this is you have a window, you have the option to potentially threepeat.
01:05:02
You really dio I don't know how you beat this team and from somebody who loves film stuff loves to watch.
01:05:08
You know? You, like especially Like I love the Lakers.
01:05:11
Last year gonna win.
01:05:14
They won in ways I wasn't expecting this team.
01:05:17
Yeah, okay, you could say, Well, obviously they're gonna win because they have Kyrie, Katie and James Harden.
01:05:21
But I wanna know how they're going to do it.
01:05:23
Who's gonna playoff ball? What is the offense look like? Are they running the three of them in tandem? Are they splitting up their minutes? That stuff is so fascinating to me. It's fascinating.
01:05:32
Who takes the last shot? I just I want it.
01:05:35
I want it to happen.
01:05:36
I do think it's gonna happen because, look, this is not a Gregg.
01:05:39
Popovich is not a Bradley feel.
01:05:41
It's not just B s smoke that people are throwing out there and extrapolate There is legit noise.
01:05:46
He wants to come to Brooklyn.
01:05:47
There's nothing Houston could do.
01:05:48
Now he's turned down that extension.
01:05:51
Biggest wildcard is Philly.
01:05:53
And if if Houston is just like yeah, sorry, hardened Screw U s.
01:05:58
Oh, well, by the way, I'll give you one other caveat to that.
01:06:01
If you're not, if Philly is not on the table and you're talking about players and assets.
01:06:05
Then Houston can open it up to any number of desperate, lower level teams like the Charlotte Hornets Or, you know, teams of that ilk and go, I want I want every asset for a team that's not going to get out of the dungeon here, right? And then you can.
01:06:19
Then you're holding better value in the long term for Houston.
01:06:22
In terms of that draft capital, as opposed to maybe diminishing returns for Brooklyn Nets picks, they're all gonna be back in.
01:06:28
You expected over the next handful of years down the road, Maybe, but you could get Charlie and saying, Okay, we'll take a couple of guys off your roster and then we'll take this, you know, big pile of picks here for down the road as well.
01:06:40
I don't know if that's something Charlotte's looking to dio.
01:06:42
I know that they're a team like that has been very clear about its desperation to get competitive again, and they just can't seem to get over that hump.
01:06:49
In spite of having now some young talent, they can't seem to move that needle there.
01:06:53
So those are the kind of team that maybe also entered the fray.
01:06:56
And it's not Super star return in terms of Houston.
01:06:59
What do you think? It's back, but they can offer again.
01:07:02
If you're Charlotte, you're probably willing to go.
01:07:04
Yeah, I don't know if you want a decade's worth of picks.
01:07:06
Whatever you whatever it takes.
01:07:07
We're trying to be something, even if it's a flash in the pan for the next two or three years.
01:07:14
E listen, by the way, total disaster.
01:07:20
Charlotte.
01:07:21
But one last capital I went here that people just to dismiss this.
01:07:24
If Harden gets onto the team, every going who's good, not too many mouths to feed.
01:07:28
How's everybody going to get the shots? Breakdown average break down the number of shots that hardened Kyrie and Katie take? There's more than enough shots for all of them to do exactly what they've done in their careers without any issue.
01:07:40
And then, in some ways, you could even be like, Hey, Kyrie! Irving, you want to take off a couple offensive possessions.
01:07:45
You can just kind of linger around the back court and let James Harden walk up and do his step back three and knocked down a couple of shots like that.
01:07:53
So it that from that aspect of it that I have almost zero concern around that idea.
01:07:58
How do the Eagles how it doesn't matter.
01:08:00
They're all superstars.
01:08:01
They all can get their looks.
01:08:02
And at the end of the game, guess what? You know who takes the shot? Whoever happens to get the inbound pass from DeAndre Jordan, that's the guy that they're taking a shot Like I have zero concern about balancing all of this out.
01:08:13
If Harden ends up on Brooklyn, i e.
01:08:17
They were going to run into this issue.
01:08:19
No matter what you're exactly.
01:08:21
This is already gonna get part of it.
01:08:22
So it's like introducing that extra component going.
01:08:24
But what about it? Hardly.
01:08:26
Yeah, it doesn't matter if this all year we're gonna do with the vert, we would have probably done within Woody as well.
01:08:31
So you're actually taking two of those guys that you have to worry about packaging them together into one and honestly, like Carrie, Irving's never healthy.
01:08:43
He's never healthy. He's now.
01:08:45
I I don't even know if he plays till he's 31.
01:08:47
I have no idea.
01:08:49
And all of a sudden, consistently healthy, take them on a team where it's like, Okay, this makes a lot of sense.
01:08:58
You cannot be for Bradley, Beal and all these guys and be against Harden.
01:09:02
I refuse to accept that Anybody who is saying Oh, no, don't bring it hard.
01:09:07
It Oh, it's just doesn't make any sense.
01:09:08
Why does it not make sense? All the reasons that people like Brad Beale you should like hard and even more because he's just better because all those things better and you're incredibly durable too.
01:09:20
So you come to the season, you go.
01:09:21
Listen, you need time, k d.
01:09:22
We're not gonna overtaxed even though you had 18 months off like we're gonna let you come in nice and gentle.
01:09:27
Kyrie Irving, we're going to mitigate your reps to He's not gonna play 15 games, even if 100% healthy, he's still gonna take off 15 to 20 games during the season.
01:09:35
You could be like, Hey, James Harden, guess what? You gonna dio the same thing you've been doing your whole career.
01:09:39
You're gonna run these 72 games for us.
01:09:40
You're gonna take on the scoring when we need you Thio.
01:09:42
And then and then on the back end of the season, we'll go ahead and give you a ton of rest.
01:09:46
Something you hadn't been able to do in Houston.
01:09:48
So we get you super fresh for the playoffs Run as well.
01:09:51
So no, I mean, listen, there's all the reasons in the world to love this.
01:09:54
I'm not going to be the guy that says, I don't know.
01:09:57
I do.
01:09:58
I like it.
01:09:59
Sure, but do I love it? No.
01:10:00
Already fully committed on it.
01:10:01
Um, if it goes down.
01:10:02
So for MBA, I think no drips and drabs, no conversations.
01:10:20
What's out there? Just got radio silence, which I assume also underneath that she is actually happening any time like, Oh, they're not having talks.
01:10:27
And then everybody goes silent.
01:10:29
I'm like, Okay, so that's not true.
01:10:32
Everybody's talking.
01:10:34
Um, all right.
01:10:36
I think I think we're going to cap this right now.
01:10:38
We'll be back Thursday.
01:10:39
I'll be doing it solo tomorrow.
01:10:40
So who knows? What I'm talking about are what shape I'm in.
01:10:42
If we have another late night might be maybe you know, I'm I'll probably deep be like seven cups of coffee deed that tomorrow morning.
01:10:51
Yeah, exactly.
01:10:54
Be sweaty you know, just cold sweats from all the caffeine I'm on.
01:10:57
Uh, yeah, that's pretty fun.
01:11:00
I'll maybe I'll call.
01:11:02
Uh, I don't know.
01:11:03
What am I gonna call Danny Ainge tomorrow? Danny Granger.
01:11:06
Who knows? Doctor, Doctor.
01:11:07
Now, Adam, what do you got coming up this week? Oh, is it obviously, you know, locked on nets? We're doing our thing over there covering it.
01:11:16
So all the speculation, the draft is tomorrow, so I'll be poking around that, but, you know, NFL, any a content SportsCastr news here.
01:11:24
I'll doing that up until tomorrow.
01:11:26
Tomorrow morning will be midweek for one giant podcast.
01:11:28
You can check that out at 8. 30 in the morning.
01:11:30
And if I get the bat signal up there that that that Brooks needs an assist on the morning stream, you may.
01:11:35
You may find it back here again.
01:11:37
Maybe.
01:11:38
Well, yeah.
01:11:39
Why don't we just do tomorrow's together? That makes more sense.
01:11:41
Just sort of just do it.
01:11:42
We're gonna have enough.
01:11:43
It's more fun.
01:11:44
If we got two of us on, it's just it's just like yeah.
01:11:47
I mean, if it's just, you know, that's just like, you know, whatever.
01:11:51
Victor Oladipo don't stop this like I'm like, Adam.
01:11:56
Don't worry about that. I got the victor.
01:11:58
Oladipo stubbed his toe thing.
01:11:59
But if it's these trades, I think we have to have a little bit of back and forth because otherwise, it's just me talking to myself, going crazy.
01:12:04
So we'll be back.
01:12:12
And then Thursday.
01:12:13
And who knows? Um, Adam, thank you for joining me.
01:12:17
I will see you tomorrow.
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NBA exec offers blunt, candid reaction to Bucks’ trade for Jrue Holiday

The Milwaukee Bucks have acquired Jrue Holiday in exchange for Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, and a couple of first-round picks. Several fans and analysts have chimed in on the transaction, but for an unnamed NBA executive, all that matters is that Giannis Antetokounmpo was involved with the decision and agreed to it. Per Tim MacMahon […]

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Yeah. Uh huh.
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But SportsCastr news with your host, Matt Brooks.
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I have joined as always on Tuesdays by Adam are Brick Adam.
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Sounds like you've been busy this morning.
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Courting podcast, drinking coffee, feeling jazz.
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We finally have some, like, riel.
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Really fun things.
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Really, really, really things to talk about after the n b a.
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You know, moratorium wasn't noon yesterday.
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I was like, you couldn't get a solid and just kind of gotten the ball rolling a little bit earlier in the day.
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You had toe.
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Just wait until the wee hours off.
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2 a.
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m.
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To start really having a pop classic? Yeah, I did not appreciate I was getting ready.
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You know, I'm sitting there brushing my teeth, getting ready to go to bed.
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Uh, and this thing's Drew holiday thing happens at 11.
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30 and I was just like, I don't know why I like this league sometimes.
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Like, I really you know, like we just we had a nice 10 hour window to do any of this stuff.
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Why? Breaking in 11.
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30 all the bits? Because on all the business.
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Come on, look.
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And I'm still here for it in the morning.
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because, my goodness, like, you know, this happens last night.
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I didn't have much like I at that point.
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I'm like, Okay, cool.
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This happened, but, you know, we got a full sort of REM cycle in, Uh, not really.
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And now I'm ready to talk.
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They're weird.
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They're funky, You know? The news breaks.
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They trade lead.
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So and George Hill, Twitter has a meltdown. Oh, my God.
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Is this the price? What? And of course, we're on the net side of things.
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So it's We could have offered touring prints in a second round for this, which is, like, way we could that there's actually it comes out first, There's gonna be a bunch of draft capital.
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Turns out that draft capitals three first round picks and then woes goes off the glass and slams it home.
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That was a terrible reference and mentions that they're just woes going off.
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I couldn't quite get that good, but I like it.
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I'm right.
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Glad I'm doing my best.
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This sort of, um, look, I mean, basically, they send three picks to pick swaps and you know Eric Bledsoe and George George Hill, by the way, an interesting player, I wonder if they're gonna be ableto do some things with him.
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I actually like him a lot for, um, for the pelicans.
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And you know what? Weirdly also like blood.
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So a little bit for them, too.
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But regardless they make a big deal.
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Drew holidays in the in Milwaukee.
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They make a deal a little bit later.
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They have a sign and trade in place, basically sending Donte DiVincenzo first on Ilyasova, who felt like the guy speaking of Taurean Prince, the guy who has been used a salary matching for what, like a year and a half now Just unpack my bags.
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And then and then D. J.
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Wilson as well, who some people love.
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I'm one of those weirdoes who loves D J. Wilson.
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Other people don't look.
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They were busy last night, and they now have six players on their roster. Five.
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If you don't count the, uh, the younger is it younger or older? Onto to Campo? Thanasis.
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Is he younger? He's older.
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E think he's the older one.
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He's coming in at 28 years old.
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He's There's Costa's Alex and Fina's.
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I think I think that's the older one.
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So regardless they have six players right now it's It's booked on Bogdanovich, uh, Drew Holiday Yanis, Chris Middleton, Brook, Lopez and Thanasis.
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That's the team, right? Well, great news.
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It only you only need five on the court.
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So if anything, they actually have to think you think you really think about it.
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They almost have a surplus of players at this point Before we get into, like, more serious looks at this one of my favorite things I don't remember who said this like this is Jackson.
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Frank on Twitter said that this is the perfect way to make book to make Bud play his starters.
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You want that? But your move, my friend, you've got which is so like that's, um, galaxy brain thinking right there to strip the bucks of their depth.
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So but can't you just 30 minutes in the playoffs.
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But this is where you end up with where you go.
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Oh, box score.
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40 minutes for its Jakubko.
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Yeah, wrong brother.
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You have that backwards, but still found a way.
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Yanis Onley got 20 minutes. That's just the way.
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Yeah, they have, like, I don't know like D j. Signed D J.
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Augustine anyplace.
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28 minutes for them.
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They're like, Yeah, we just had to rescue Honest for, uh, you know his age.
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Alright, End up ****s jokes.
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I'm buds.
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The blood books are endless for me.
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What do you think of this team? Are they good or a bad? They improved.
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What do you think? Yeah, I'll briefly say I think that the players going to the pelicans it's nice for them because in addition to all those assets, which is the most important thing, they end up keeping some veteran presence, which I think is important that relatively young rosters, what they liked about holiday, right veteran guy with that young team.
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They're so good for that on the bucks side of it.
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This you got to make this move, you know, and you can say that it's your own fault for me This way.
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We expected the bucks to be more impressive come playoff time.
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The last couple of years, they haven't been.
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You have Yanis about to get into his potential walk here.
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You had to do something that was going to prove this season to Yanis that this franchise organization is willing to do what's necessary, and then you can put yourself in a good position to win.
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Listen, I I think you know that they're getting They're getting bigger, They got more length.
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The perimeter shooting is there.
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I know that probably from inside the existence, maybe the potential pitfalls or issues around this.
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But as we were gearing up to get on here now it just comes down to who are the MLS that come into this roster? How do you fill out the other spots there to supplement in the second unit? Because they've had some nice balance there the last couple of seasons off of their bench.
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And then you're now you're still saying we're hinging on health like everything has to go right for them for this starting unit to be successful this year.
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And you need Brook Lopez to keep doing what he has been doing for them.
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But he's not young, you know.
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You're only one maybe fluky injury from him going down, and all of a sudden you're looking at the five and saying, What are we now? If we need to start flexing, you know where Yanis is playing and how we look at our rotation, they are.
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They traded out regular season wins for playoff propensity like that.
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They're not going to be.
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We're gonna go the bucks they're taking.
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Oh, I know how the d A works.
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They're going to come out Gates.
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There's probably Yeah.
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I mean, I think this is the pitfalls of being a small market team.
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Um, first off, you could have just kept Brogden.
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You could have.
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You could have kept Brogden on you.
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Wouldn't be ridiculous deals, Let's because let's be honest on paper, sending three first round picks and to pick swaps for Drew.
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Holiday.
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It's a lot.
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It's ridiculous.
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It's ridiculous, That is, that is a stay.
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Say that is a lot.
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The Nets work by everything I've heard, very reluctant to put carry slivered in very reluctant, and it felt like they were going to drag that out really throughout all the way through free agency.
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That's kind of what it felt like.
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You know, the pelican started putting their claws in the Celtics.
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I don't even know if that Celtics noise was really or if it was just Danny Green's Danny aim saying Danny Green, Danny, that's the only time we're gonna I know it wasn't I knew it couldn't have been really? Because Danny Green was talking about it.
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He doesn't have any connection any of this.
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So e No, Uh, Danny.
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Danny, Great.
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That any age, I don't know if Danny Ainge was ever really that interested in Drew holiday or if you just want to, you know, screw Sean Marks.
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I don't know, but regardless, the bucks, they made this ridiculous deal.
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It really doesn't matter if you get Yonas to sign the Supermax, because now you've really put an interesting team around them.
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I don't know how much better they are.
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Like you look at how Chris Middleton and Bogdanovich scored and what they're shot.
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Profile really looks like it's very similar.
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They don't necessarily pressure the basket of a ton there.
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Uh, I would say probably about the same in shot generation, but what they do have is just guys that can make threes now like that.
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I think it was synergy stats through this up on Twitter.
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Uh, they said I believe he's a 62% effective field goal shooter on catch and shoot looks, which is way up from there. Catch and shoot percentage.
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Last year, the bucks, which was really near the bottom of the league.
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They were a team that likes to shoot a lot of threes.
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They didn't necessarily make a lot of them.
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So when you're running an offense around Yanis, Yes, you want to take a bunch of threes, But I just wanna make up, So I mean, this is gonna be a lot better for them.
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The other thing that's nice about Bogdanovich is similar to Middleton, who It wasn't great in every game in the playoffs this this last year.
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But he's somebody.
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If he gets run off the line, he's going to create a little bit.
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They have a little bit more.
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I don't know if it's enough, but they have a little bit more and then Drew like I don't know.
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I don't really know what to expect.
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I know what to expect on defense, but scoring wise.
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I mean, you know, I'm just I'm curious.
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I'm curious to see what it looks like.
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Well, you'll get good opportunities to you think about, you know, Drew is going to be surrounded by the best players that he's ever played alongside.
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I know Anthony Davis was there, obviously, New Orleans, but in terms of having honest and then you even say, having a big like Brook Lopez that on the perimeter.
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So what? His opportunities on the offensive end are going to look different than they had in the past for him, but ultimately, yes, you know this isn't upgrade for them.
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I think it makes them more dangerous team specifically in the playoffs, and that's where it matters the most for them.
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The interesting thing to me is gonna be like that.
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But this movie is about like you better be losing in the Game seven of the conference finals as the ba*****t, and then you bet you will be in the finals.
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Like, I think that's what the expectation is.
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Right or wrong internally, that's what they think these moves are setting them up for, because that's where you need to be to get you on its back on the Supermax and and also to attract holiday back on another contract is like so it's going to be interesting.
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This is the chips in the middle, the proverbial Kawhi Leonard to Toronto, kind of move that they've made here, and then it specifically revolves around what you accomplished in this season as it stands right now.
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I love their chances.
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They're still gonna other things are about to potentially happen around the Eastern Conference, though.
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And that's gonna throw in a different wrench.
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And then you're gonna say, Oh, now, how do we fill out beyond the six players we have on our roster currently? How do we fill this out, then to balance what we're gonna have to take on and deep playoff runs as well? So I mean, listen, they had to do something.
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This is better than them standing pat and maybe making marginal moves.
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I think that this is about as big a jump is You could have made short of, you know, going and getting a James Harden, as everyone like, at least thought, Oh, maybe you want to go for him to go.
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What does that look like? We don't know.
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We're throwing our hat in the ring.
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So I'd like to think that this was a foster around Johannes and Middleton and Lopez that that that, you know, that's the core three that you feel like is the winning recipe for them.
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And hopefully these guys contribute to that.
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What I like is I you know it's because it's funny.
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Like Bogdanovich I like.
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I don't know if I like him as much as other people, but we also haven't seen him in a situation where he's playing next to Yannis, who I mean, is this the new Like, I guess Luca would be in this class too.
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But, like Yannis is one of those guys that you play with him.
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And you're just what, two times better than you normally are because of the ease of the looks you're getting like, That's really exciting for him and for them, especially like they just I don't know, I I I'm just really curious to see what they look like.
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I also like, I mean, the thing withdrew is like, you're gonna you're gonna maintain a lot of what? What you brought defensively this last year? Yes, you're losing Donte DiVincenzo because I think the combined loss of DiVincenzo and Bledsoe and I guess George Hill is Well, um, they're probably going to feel that I don't think they're gonna be quite a good defensively, which I mean again, they were like historically great defense.
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So it's like you, you really can't go anywhere but down But, um, yeah, I'm just I'm curious.
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Like I'm really, really curious.
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I could see this going really any number of ways I could see them, you know, being 10, you know, considerably better.
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And me looking back at this stream being like God, what a fool I was.
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But I could also see them.
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You know, we get all excited about these moves on paper, and then it's like, Oh, yeah, this really move the needle that much like, I don't know what's off here.
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And I e you know, short off season, short training, you know, everything ramped up here.
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So obviously the early stage of the season are gonna look probably clunky for any teams that make big moves in terms of find those pieces.
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Yeah, you have, Yannis.
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And then, you know, when you have a big, like Lopez that stretches the floor like that on the defensive side for for other teams, these guys were gonna look better than they've ever looked.
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Right? So the elevation of their game is what you're looking at and what you're assuming is going to change.
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And by the way, this can also impact Middleton and what he looks like in his production, because now you're also putting other players around.
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It are better, at least in the starting five units.
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So Middleton, much more.
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He's gonna have so much more airspace.
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It's like that.
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And that is another thing, like man, like if if you can figure out a way to just take off a tiny bit of pressure because I still worry them a little bit like Okay, who's taking the last shot? Who's doing this? Who's doing that? Um, it's not unlike the occupants.
00:13:59
Toronto scenario, right? Like for Bill? Typically, we go.
00:14:02
If we just didn't.
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I need him to do as much.
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He'd actually be so much better at a slightly a slightly clips.
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So I think that's what you're going to see.
00:14:10
A little bit of two for sure, and I'm also excited, like I don't feel like I've watched enough true holiday in the last couple years.
00:14:15
I've watched a lot of the defense of stuff, but like just like the offense stuff, I just I don't know.
00:14:20
I mean, look like e didn't watch enough pelicans ball on like this will be fun.
00:14:24
Like these air players I wanna be watching more So we're on a ba*****t Western Conference team.
00:14:28
I watched, you know, it's funny.
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I watched watched him in the bubble and Drew didn't look great.
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And they looked off overall.
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So we'll see.
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I think coaching is just gonna be so huge for them.
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I I just you know, I mean, I've been that the bud pessimist since I don't know for a while, but, you know, I don't know what e don't know.
00:14:53
I just, uh that would be the next move, right? If they come out slow, we'll see how aggressive.
00:14:57
Oh, you know, let me leave you with this before we move on.
00:15:01
So making these moves, Do you think that this suggests that they think Yannis is coming back for the Supermax or not? Because I I'm curious.
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I think what it tells you is probably yes, that they believe is coming back on the Supermax.
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And this doesn't have to be the end all be all these moves that they've made this year.
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I know you're you've mortgaged a lot to do so but I think what the message they're sending was we're going to do whatever it takes, right? We're willing to do whatever it takes to get the players here.
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And unlike a major market, we gotta sacrifice all these all this draft capital to get in holiday and to make the Bogdanova trade etcetera.
00:15:40
Okay, that's what we're gonna do, Yanis.
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We're We are consistently going to do whatever we think we need.
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Whatever you think you need around you to be successful as long as they can show that commitment.
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To be honest, that's enough, I think, for a player of his personality, as far as what we know for him to say.
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Okay, I feel comfortable here.
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I like it here.
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And I know the organization is willing to go out and do it cause by the way, you can run back into free agency next year.
00:16:02
And you can tweet this roster again.
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You're going to be able to do that.
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And that's gonna be the route going forward without the draft capital.
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So now they can go into free agency.
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Maybe they'll This also gets comes down to what we go into luxury tax hits when we pay those penalties to bring in another player here and now with this core, you could maybe even b'more enticing.
00:16:19
It's not just you honest to attract another player there.
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Now you do have drew holiday and it's veteran, you know? And you do have Middleton you do have looked at.
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So I think it shows commitment.
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The only thing that's gonna prevent Yanis from I think coming back on the Supermax is if this doesn't go according to plan, if they have a relatively same exit in the playoffs like they've had the last two years, then I think you could see Yonas at least being open to the idea of saying I have to at least hear the conversations from other teams about what they're offering, because I can look around this landscape very quickly and say, Okay, I could see myself plugging in over here and having to do probably far less work to still get even more benefits of getting deeper into playoff runs.
00:16:57
But you know, 80% 85% that he's back on a Supermax next year.
00:17:03
I think at this point I mean, so I am.
00:17:05
I'm I don't know.
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I honestly like I think he's gonna be back because I think he's always told us that he wants to come back.
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And he's just, you know, doing part of the job is being mysterious and tryingto work your team a little bit to get things done.
00:17:23
Because, like, I mean, look like I gotta say credit to Johannes because I think John is is a big reason these moves happening.
00:17:31
I don't know if they would have, like good, get yourself some players get yourself the best that this is the best trade asset right now other than James Harden, who seems like he's available.
00:17:40
Um, this is the best player on the market right now. You just got him.
00:17:44
Congrats. That's sweet.
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We don't know when that's gonna happen again, you know? And his alleged commitment is like you said is what makes it enticing for, you know, via trade or whatever, but just makes enticing for players to wanna come there.
00:17:55
If your holiday, you have to be stoked, you're 31 years old, you're going to play with the best player, the best to whatever I want you to do.
00:18:02
Your hierarchy is one of the best yellow p, and I get to go play with him now.
00:18:08
Yeah, I feel great about that, right? Like so so that that's what you're looking to do.
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And you're not gonna have any animosity or tension or anything on this roster.
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They're gonna be all in from from day one.
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So that's also an important thing to Dio.
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When you're not again a major market team, you need continuity and confidence amongst your auster.
00:18:23
Yep, yep.
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So I mean, look, I mean, I just I wanna watch him.
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That's that's where I'm at right now.
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I want to see him.
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I dio I think they're gonna be really fun.
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And it's just it's gonna be a bunch of players that I think a lot of fans like myself.
00:18:37
I guess I just again.
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I want to see some of these guys on really meaningful team.
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So it's exciting.
00:18:44
Uh, do we do our heart and stuff? Did you You talked about CP three a little bit yesterday? Yeah, Yeah, we touched on it a bit there with me.
00:18:54
So, unfortunately, the person and I missed a lot of the other more exciting things, but we did touch on that briefly and just how it, you know? Listen, it's interesting to watch a guy like C three God rotating around the league and seemingly being effective everywhere that he goes and gets somehow being regarded as this guy's done, it's over for them.
00:19:10
I I love that movie.
00:19:11
I know you love that move going down to Phoenix, so that's good for them.
00:19:14
I'm just know that we we talked about this on a stream off that in July, and this happened, like, what does that ever happen when you're just throwing out random? What have we thrown out? We feel like Buddy Hell to the Celtics.
00:19:26
There's somewhere that way.
00:19:28
There's been some conquers in There is well, but the point is, we did mention this along the way, so that that's great.
00:19:36
That's exciting.
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But I guess maybe I know the hard piece is the biggest one.
00:19:39
But didn't think real quick like the deal for both sides really like it.
00:19:49
It was a subtle little deal.
00:19:50
It was, you know, getting a first.
00:19:52
And I guess another protected first is nice, like its like OK to first for Robert Covington.
00:20:00
Like when you see a role player attract to first as you want, OK, I mean, I guess that's the asking price right now are like first of our draft picks at, like a real low right now.
00:20:15
I wonder if that's because of the price, because right now, like you look at how the salaries moved up.
00:20:23
First round picks are making like $10 million especially if you're at the top end of the draft.
00:20:27
I wonder if that's a big reason for that, because you have these pics being thrown around like nothing.
00:20:32
Well, that you're probably right.
00:20:34
It's a great thing to mention is like when we're talking about making these trades and it's like, Well, normally even say, the holiday one, you know, two first rounders and like, throw a third one in there because the numbers were all out of whack here.
00:20:43
We don't know what things they're gonna look like.
00:20:44
So at least we get another potential young player that we can control a little bit.
00:20:49
I think I think that Brooks just had an idea.
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He just had a spark of life.
00:20:54
Um, but now what? What I will say is he say is like a footnote kind of deal.
00:20:59
Covington defense to a team.
00:21:06
Yeah, I think that this is a quiet move for a team that made some noise in the bubble and, you know, listen to running it back with the Lillard and McCollum.
00:21:16
Exactly, like, you know, if you're gonna keep driving.
00:21:20
Yeah, but that's what I mean, though.
00:21:23
So we could see if you're gonna keep driving this training in years past.
00:21:26
You know, even last year when you say Carmelo Anthony.
00:21:28
Oh, by the way, I My concern of having him on the team is about what happens in the playoffs.
00:21:34
When you need defense and you look at Carmelo, Anthony goes, That's not really I apologize, fellas, that zone by repertoire.
00:21:40
So you know, this is a move that makes a ton of sense for Portland because it changes what you're capable of doing when it comes to playoff time.
00:21:48
And if you're taking yourself seriously in the Western Conference, you're going to need this ability.
00:21:52
So that's why I think it's a smart move from from their end of it, for sure.
00:21:55
So I I like that because they also, by the way they see the young teams.
00:21:58
They see the Phoenix is in the movies they're making.
00:22:00
They know.
00:22:02
Portland knows that we look like a flashy team on paper with the names we have and also were delicately close to being a tent city in the Western Conference.
00:22:10
If we're not focused here, Um yeah.
00:22:13
No.
00:22:14
Like they brought in like Mario Hezonja and guys like that, just like, uh, I I love it for them.
00:22:20
I want one of these teams to get worse in the West.
00:22:24
Like eso.
00:22:25
Let's look at the West right now.
00:22:26
We have the Lakers, Clippers, nuggets, I I think I can count the Rockets out.
00:22:33
I'm its first.
00:22:35
Seems like it's gonna blow up.
00:22:37
I I don't know how you come back from this, so let's take them out.
00:22:41
The thunder are out.
00:22:42
So you're missing two teams? Utah, Dallas.
00:22:45
I guess the blazers and sons make up.
00:22:48
You're seven and eight and then you have the Grizzlies. Pelicans.
00:22:52
I forgot the Warriors to how many teams are.
00:22:56
So if you if you have, if you have Lakers, Clippers Nuggets.
00:23:00
So that's it. That's it.
00:23:01
If you if you put Golden State and the Sons of Mavericks Yeah, sums Golden State and then you're talking about, like Portland being on the back end there along with Memphis.
00:23:10
You know, obviously massive rehab from the margin.
00:23:13
Rosen picking up that adoption there in San Antonio, Just, you know, keep that in much.
00:23:17
Yeah, but yeah.
00:23:18
So that's where you are.
00:23:19
And then where do you put Portland in that hierarchy of those eight teams? They're down there.
00:23:25
They're around the seventh.
00:23:26
Like, Yeah, seven days, right? I mean, the highest.
00:23:28
You can go within its seventh, probably.
00:23:30
And you're talking about mixing it up with the likes of the feet.
00:23:34
By the way, the thunder trade away CP three, they get get back uber, right.
00:23:43
What I will say is I out of this landscape just yet.
00:23:49
Like they are only one interesting move away of, say, oh, John Rondo.
00:23:55
Like bringing a veteran point guard to replace? Not like for like, but if you could replace that, I think what they found out last year was Oh, maybe we're a little bit closer.
00:24:03
Thio conversation.
00:24:06
Then we realized so I wouldn't be.
00:24:10
They keep themselves interesting season And the Rubio pieces.
00:24:14
Nice.
00:24:15
Like a rubio Here.
00:24:17
I was a little frisky.
00:24:19
I like Ricky Rubio.
00:24:20
We mentioned I mentioned this on a stream months ago at some point along the way where I went through the stats and I don't have the top of my head about working ranks all time.
00:24:27
And the numbers is a pure point guard.
00:24:29
I get that.
00:24:30
He is not CP three.
00:24:32
Yep.
00:24:33
I also know for a fact, though, no style a point guard that convinced they're going to be a drop off there for O k.
00:24:44
C.
00:24:45
But it's also not this chasm that you know that again.
00:24:47
This isn't like, Well, we took back.
00:24:49
We took back Rubio and and Kelly, you break.
00:24:51
You know C c In three years.
00:24:53
Like there's still an interesting team.
00:24:55
They still have pieces there.
00:24:56
So I think that that's also a quiet part of that trade to where you go. Okay.
00:25:01
We didn't just give up CP three.
00:25:02
We have mildly replaced him, and then we could still go make another move here, so yeah, I'm intrigued by Okay.
00:25:09
So they might be like my my fun watch this upcoming season, depending on what they dio.
00:25:12
My problem with them is the shooting like they're like, we're gonna focus on that element e like it because I mean, by the way, you gotta look at this.
00:25:22
This starting five.
00:25:24
You have potentially potentially.
00:25:26
I don't know what it's gonna look like.
00:25:27
You're losing gallop.
00:25:28
That hurts.
00:25:29
You need gallows facing.
00:25:30
They were They were Lohan shooting last year, and they had all and Gallo.
00:25:35
So you're gonna lose those two guys.
00:25:37
So now you're working Dordt.
00:25:44
Steven Adams.
00:25:46
That's a really good defensive team.
00:25:48
They're, like, good defensively, Right? Okay, you bring I don't even mentioned.
00:25:53
Yeah, so that's your That's your six players.
00:25:58
Your first six players are all plus defenders.
00:26:01
You could say what you want about Steven Adams.
00:26:03
I'm just gonna put him there.
00:26:04
Let's just pretend like rebounding is really important for that or something like that.
00:26:08
So I could make this argument.
00:26:09
Um, your your first six players art just at the very least.
00:26:17
Good defensively.
00:26:19
The shooting isn't there.
00:26:20
I think Danny Green is probably your best shooter.
00:26:22
That's the part where I'm like, Okay, I don't know how this works, but they're interesting.
00:26:26
They're gonna be fun.
00:26:27
They're not gonna be easy to beat.
00:26:28
Especially in regular season games.
00:26:30
Like, you know what? I don't want to dio I don't wanna be in April, you know, trumping to have a night off and have to go up against the Kelly.
00:26:39
You bray Lou Dort like that's just a lot of length, and I don't know, I wouldn't want anything to do with them.
00:26:45
I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs, but they're gonna be annoying.
00:26:47
Well, that's why the the reunion, for one, James Harden is actually back with the original team in.
00:26:54
Okay, See all those assets, send them off, bringing this pure score to help balance out what you already have on defense.
00:27:02
Done.
00:27:03
Deal back in, okay.
00:27:04
See where he always dreamed that he would day.
00:27:05
No, but that's I think that's probably the biggest thing for them is gonna be.
00:27:08
Is there anything is removed that you can make to get Cem Cem pure scoring onto that roster toe help balance things out.
00:27:14
If you can do that, then you become both annoying and also a little bit exciting unto itself.
00:27:19
As they stand right now, you're gonna be this really annoying defensive team like you said.
00:27:23
You don't wanna play during the season.
00:27:24
It's gonna be hard for them, especially in the West, to really be in those conversations around the playoff picture.
00:27:30
But 11 You know they have assets.
00:27:35
What they do in the draft is thes.
00:27:37
Things can have a factor for them.
00:27:39
This could have an impact on how that rosters constructed as well.
00:27:41
It's unfortunate the draft and saying, Hey, can we grab one of these guys? But there are some very nice, pure shooters sprinkled throughout this draft class that you could say, Okay, we'll take a run at a young rookie and get him out on the floor and just see if he catches fire over the course of the season.
00:27:56
You know, what I would do is like call the Clippers, say, hey, what? Like I know you guys want to go? Do we dio What have we got to Dio? What do you want to take one of our wings whatever to just do and because you need to at the very work, which, by the way, I think their Idol season is because look, look who they they have you Bray, Danny Green, blue door on a ridiculously cheap contract.
00:28:22
If they ever wanted to move him, which I mean you could I would think about it.
00:28:26
You have all three of these guys all attractive for teams when, when? Whenever the trade deadline happens, which it seems like they're still living in February, which is bizarre to me.
00:28:36
But I mean, I guess that's how it works with the fiscal year.
00:28:38
Regardless, um, that's kind of what they're working with.
00:28:42
You do need a baseline of, like everybody to work together because if it's just like it's too much of a mess and we have no idea who's doing the scoring, it's gonna hurt everybody's value to a degree.
00:28:51
Um, but if you just bring in one score like just see again Lou Williams, they might give you an asset like I was like, I don't know.
00:29:01
I mean, maybe not.
00:29:02
But like, you know, I don't think it would be that big of an asking price.
00:29:05
You bring in one score like that because you could look at the free agency market, you say, Oh, they could bring in Jordan, Clarkson, Jordan Clarkson is probably gonna go to a contender.
00:29:13
Somebody's gonna little things scores enough to keep you in games, but not enough to leave into the playoffs.
00:29:24
They're in a really pretty situation.
00:29:26
They could get even more picks.
00:29:28
They could get their picks.
00:29:29
Well, I mean, like, and this isn't, You know, this is just the cheese.
00:29:32
I'm thinking about that, as we know, made a low level moving the Detroit Pistons like they're clearly construct things down there.
00:29:38
Derrick Rose is the Blake Griffin's of the world.
00:29:40
Those guys air on the market.
00:29:41
At least it doesn't mean that's the fit that you go forward.
00:29:43
But you have to search around those types of teams because just to be clear here, just a circle of this thing up generally 2020 and 2021.
00:29:50
That's fine.
00:29:51
We can look past that, get to the And by the way, though in 2021 alone, they're gonna have their own.
00:29:56
First, they're gonna pick up a first from Miami and or Houston, blah, blah, blah.
00:29:59
They got a second.
00:30:00
There is well, get the 2023 where they now have 123 1st round picks as well as a second round pick.
00:30:07
They have three first round picks in 2020 for a swell.
00:30:10
They have unlimited capital to like so they can over as we just said about like that, too many assets can throw this into these packages.
00:30:19
We've got nine first round picks over the next 34 years like we can over pay for whatever we want.
00:30:24
Not having impact is if we want to maintain the raw.
00:30:26
So we currently have.
00:30:27
Okay, Lou Williams, a first rounder for Lou Williams? That's a lot.
00:30:31
Whatever.
00:30:32
Great, Taking a couple of two great happen like it doesn't matter if they want to go that route.
00:30:36
The interesting thing will also be that if, even if they say they stand pad to your point at the trade deadline now, if it's really not working out in whatever, now you also have some tradable assets like Ricky Rubio could be.
00:30:47
You know, an interesting piece for a playoff team that's looking to move the needle for themselves.
00:30:51
So, Kelly, there would be a lot of very interesting pieces there.
00:30:54
They could get even Mawr assets and then just worry about packaging every single draft for the next three drafts.
00:31:00
We're gonna package and move up package and move up package and move up and get ourselves the neck, the Harden and Westbrook and you know, and the Kevin Durant right, like they drafted those players so they can find their way back to that again.
00:31:14
It wouldn't be unfamiliar territory for them to think about.
00:31:17
How do we get back to rebuilding with a young core, knowing it may take a few years? Yep.
00:31:22
There.
00:31:23
I mean, dude, I don't know.
00:31:24
I love what they're doing.
00:31:25
I love it.
00:31:26
I love it.
00:31:27
They're gonna get They're gonna get even more.
00:31:28
This is your Yeah, start.
00:31:32
What are you talking about? It's not myself.
00:31:44
Things so exceeding about the build of these things, even when it's not like the great product on the court or the expectations aren't as high as you want it to be.
00:31:52
Like, if you're in o k C fan, there's something that's, like, tantalizing about, like we got all this stuff.
00:31:56
Anything could happen.
00:31:58
Like, you know, anything is possible right now.
00:32:00
There's something very tantalizing about that.
00:32:02
For me is like a pure n ba fan where you don't know what it's gonna be.
00:32:05
And maybe that's what's exciting, because all of a sudden flash and you've got these three young stars on your team and you're you're looking like the Denver Nuggets, right? With Murray and Porter Jr.
00:32:15
There we go.
00:32:16
Oh, like all of a sudden, like, we weren't really entirely sure.
00:32:18
And then you draft these guys two years to you fun.
00:32:22
And you're kind of like this little weird Cinderella, your joy, pure fan perspective.
00:32:28
Excitement that you can have around teams when you don't have high expectations, unlike some other times when there are extremely high expectations and you're almost like untilled for literally what will be this year? 72 games straight going everything.
00:32:44
A section of of what this is or is not.
00:32:48
Uh, I'm just thinking right now, if if one doesn't stay Oh, Oh, yeah, nothing would be more exciting than if you're honest.
00:33:01
Was like, I'm gonna test it, but because I've just been working on the assumption that he comes back.
00:33:07
But my God, there they are literally sitting so pretty there, sitting so pretty, those Houston picks are gonna be pretty high, right? I mean, that's about Houston bottoming out like there's a couple of they have a pick swap in 2021.
00:33:21
So that's why you bought him out this year.
00:33:23
Um, but it will be interesting based on what Houston potentially does around James Harden And what what ends up back there, right? All of those picks can look different, depending on if we assume something's gonna happen with Harden that depending on where he ends up in what players come back, they can.
00:33:42
I mean, listen that they're not going to be, you know, top four seeds or something.
00:33:45
But they could end up being a playoff team, depending on what comes back and who they trade was.
00:33:49
So that makes it interesting.
00:33:50
Are we sure? Are we sure, though, Let's just got a lot better.
00:33:54
Are we sure? Yeah, by the way.
00:33:56
So you talk about like from any any, any any fan of any team in the East.
00:34:01
You love what's happening in the West.
00:34:03
This is especially this year when when it's gonna be mostly conference based scheduling.
00:34:07
This is a like, Oh, yeah, guys, just destroy each other.
00:34:10
Feel free to beat the crap out of the Lakers for 72 games before you make it to the playoffs so that there's an interesting perspective there.
00:34:17
I It depends like I don't know when you think about the 70 Sixers.
00:34:21
Getting into this conversation and saying is Ben Simmons, the centerpiece around it.
00:34:25
Now you can make a case as much as we may like or have issues with Ben Simmons game.
00:34:30
He alone unto himself.
00:34:32
Make a playoff team, does not in Houston, right? Like that's nice to get that back up your Houston and he's young, and that's a good thing for them to dio and also know, you know, and also get prepared to be the Ben Simmons led Houston Rockets that missed the playoffs, probably in the first year.
00:34:48
If nothing else happens, Um, and then there's the other packages, though right, and one of the other pieces there, so I wonder what it is.
00:34:53
Houston's agenda here is their agenda to strip it down and collect assets and prepare for a couple of seasons from now because you could make the case even if you ran it back in Houston.
00:35:02
As you're currently constructed, you're still two years away from waiting for the Lakers to stop being the Lakers as their constitute wait for LeBron to retire at some point.
00:35:10
So that's why I think it's easy for Houston to say, Maybe it's rebuild time for us because we were down the hierarchy anyway, So we're not going to get, you know, we're not gonna be in conference finals here over the next handful of seasons.
00:35:22
So why not try to start this rebuild? Maybe a couple of years sooner than we planned on it, And less.
00:35:27
When you also want James Harden turns out a $50 million extension, you also realize that writing might be on the wall there.
00:35:32
You're screwed. I mean, they're screwed right now.
00:35:34
They have No, they're they're screwed.
00:35:35
There's nothing they can dio.
00:35:37
The best thing they can dio is e guy, By the way by guy, Um, the best thing they could do right now is really just try to hold just hold their ground for a long as humanly possible.
00:35:54
And you know what? If Hard and Mrs Games and he sits out games, let him sit.
00:36:00
Okay.
00:36:01
You want to sit out games? Fine.
00:36:02
We'll let you sit out as many games as you want, because honestly, like, we're not gonna make the playoffs.
00:36:08
So or or maybe we make the playoffs is like an eight seed or something like that.
00:36:13
Like which? Sweet cool.
00:36:15
Uh, you know, diminishing hardens trade value by showing that In fact, this team could win.
00:36:21
What happened? I mean, look so, like, that's kind of my thing is like, you guys just you need to hold your ground as much as possible, because right now, like if you if you accept that Nets trade and and, by the way, if, if they do the thing where it's like, you know, a bunch of picks, swaps and three first kind of what you do it through, because I think that's the going right.
00:36:39
Now, Um, that's not that bad.
00:36:42
Like depending upon what things look like.
00:36:44
Like I know, like in in the moment where, like, oh, my God, like the Nets are gonna be incredible for the next 2 to 3 years.
00:36:50
Well, it's those picks and your four and five that could actually have some value because look, like as great as that team could be, do I think that they're going to retire together in Brooklyn? No, I absolutely don't.
00:37:01
I think they're gonna play together for 2 to 3 years and everybody's gonna go their separate ways because that's how this league works now.
00:37:05
So that's what you're hoping for is Houston, But what's the cornerstone because you don't see those trades that much like even last year with, you know, with the A D thing.
00:37:19
Ingram was at least 22 he put up 18 like carrots.
00:37:23
Avert is 27 injured every year and is, you know, inefficient right now.
00:37:29
Yeah, that's the hard part for me, man.
00:37:30
That's where it's so to your first point there about, like, holding on as long as you can.
00:37:35
If you're Houston, I unless you get your doors blown off by a trade.
00:37:41
Unless you're creating competition around hard amongst a few teams, your drumming up the price and that's great.
00:37:47
But if you're to your point like you're not going anywhere this year, that's fine.
00:37:50
If you're Houston, hold on to harden, get closer to the trade deadline and see if you get another team right.
00:37:56
If we think that Phil has been in the talks, obviously, Brooklyn's the big one.
00:37:59
Miami was even floated out there loosely, although all indications are they wouldn't part with, like a hero or Obama Auto bio.
00:38:04
So it may be takes them out of that conversation potentially.
00:38:08
But you get down the trade deadline name, you know, name three teams in the West that air in the middle of the pack that would love to jump up and could see hard and beating that movable piece or in the East.
00:38:18
Maybe if the Miami Heat are willing to do it now, but they're far more willing to do with the trade deadline.
00:38:23
If they feel like they need to get into this conversation.
00:38:25
They see themselves slipping down behind Milwaukee or down behind Brooklyn, depending on what they come out the doors with as well.
00:38:31
So I think you can still up your value by holding onto him a little bit longer than the hard part for me.
00:38:36
Is that you said it Cornerstone piece.
00:38:38
So Brooklyn specifically, I like Jared Allen.
00:38:42
I like Jared Allen on the Nets.
00:38:44
It doesn't mean that he is enticing the other teams.
00:38:46
Like said, That's another Clint Capela kind of situation for for Houston in terms of the cost coming up in another year here, do you want to be ready to commit close to $100 million to Jared Allen? That's as much a question about the choice you make here.
00:39:00
Is anything Caris Levert's 27? Arguably, I would say that the the most interesting one who has his opt out option for next year will be Spencer Dinwiddie, because I actually think like you can plug him right in and he can James harden the season for you in Houston.
00:39:15
It doesn't mean that he's as valuable as all that, but 26 years old? The problem is, man Ben Simmons is a more center.
00:39:22
Obviously, if Miami wants into the talk, their arm or there are more attractive piece, I just don't unto themselves like how attractive now Tyler here was young, so long term. He's really attractive.
00:39:35
But in the short term, how attractive is he? First Houston, right, like either here, alone on Houston, is just Tyler hero on Houston.
00:39:42
He's not Tyler hero with bam Odd about Jimmy Butler.
00:39:46
And with all the compliments, Miami.
00:39:47
That, to me is the most attractive one, even above Ben Simmons, because I think the upside potential of where Tyler hero could go in his career or bam out of bio.
00:39:55
That's, Ah possibility from Miami side of it.
00:39:57
Those that's the direction you'd love to go.
00:39:59
If you're Houston, I don't think from what rumored, even those are on the table is the somebody brought up an interesting one.
00:40:06
Yesterday I was talking with, um, I was talking with Excuse me, Jackson, Jackson.
00:40:13
I forget his last name here.
00:40:14
I'll get to in a second from locked on Rockets that we were talking about the speculative rumors, and the one thing he said was so there were more kind of taste.
00:40:20
The gentleman step away at the end of the year and then casually walks over and takes a job with the Philadelphia 70 Sixers.
00:40:26
He at least indicated that there's some level of, like would Houston kind of spite the 70 Sixers and not not be willing to engage and give hardened over to their former GM, who maybe didn't leave underneath.
00:40:40
The best cir***stance necessarily so does that at all.
00:40:43
Cloud what Philadelphia could accomplish with Houston, potentially in a trade.
00:40:46
So that's an interesting, like subplot to this.
00:40:49
But I I need another team.
00:40:51
Another team probably has to be to get involved here in a conversation of what they consent to Houston for Houston's or really see untie sing package that makes them competitive in the short term, as opposed to waiting 2023 2024.
00:41:05
And really valuable draft assets.
00:41:10
I don't Do you like it? If the heat because the heat or the self The stealth team for me, The Nuggets.
00:41:16
I guess the Nuggets could be interesting, though.
00:41:18
I don't know if I like.
00:41:20
I don't know.
00:41:21
I like Is he going to stay? I just little mixed on that.
00:41:25
Dependent doesn't.
00:41:26
Okay, it doesn't.
00:41:27
So we'll get the heater.
00:41:28
The heater? Like the team where I'm like.
00:41:31
I'm not sure I do.
00:41:32
That eso that's the point, Right? Maybe one of the most attractive packages Miami and from Yeah, but we're, like, really good at building rosters.
00:41:42
Yeah.
00:41:43
Are you gonna win with James Harden and Jimmy? And so Well, so But this isn't this the the addition by subtraction, the ratios that you do there.
00:41:55
So when you're like Brooklyn and you say Okay, we're losing two scorers in Den Witty and Laverty.
00:42:01
Alright.
00:42:02
But we know what the upside is of James Harden.
00:42:04
It's a net gain for us.
00:42:08
They're always doing that right.
00:42:09
What we would be gaining and losing here in terms of production and then what you're really holding on for with the heart and is like, What does it mean? Come playoff time, you're losing a lot of what was the core of what you accomplished last year.
00:42:20
If it's a hero, if it's an odd about like, it's Houston going to say we want both of those players, that seems like a really Oma border.
00:42:28
Like easy pass for Miami.
00:42:30
If you're like you want are two Premier.
00:42:32
Yeah, poor of this team.
00:42:35
That's a big ass there.
00:42:36
If you're Miami now, does Pat Riley look at it, We can do it again.
00:42:45
We draft really well, we culturally Well, we scout.
00:42:48
We develop really well, so we can Yeah, we got another.
00:42:58
We got another one that we can pull here So that that's the interesting thing is like, How are these players valued internally? I think Miami out of out of a few organizations, the fly is they need to because again, there also an attractive market for free agents.
00:43:15
So they might be comfortable with doing it, even if on paper, I don't know what how that moves the needle in the short term for them.
00:43:23
As far as what? You know what that Jimmy Butler James Harden playoff team looks like for them? Yeah, I just I don't I just don't know if I see the I don't know.
00:43:34
I just I don't know if I see it for them like it's just you mentioned the Nuggets, though.
00:43:39
No.
00:43:40
Is that an attractive that whatever was that movement? He signs off on it.
00:43:44
Like, I think, even if they move him like e mean, I don't know.
00:43:49
What is the Nuggets trade look like a million picks? Are you really gonna mortgage a million picks for Harden, Who's a who could be a free agent, I guess.
00:43:55
In what, 2023? Yeah, I don't know.
00:43:59
I don't know if I would do that and then Michael Porter Jr and a bunch of picks and and that's fine.
00:44:05
That's great that you did that.
00:44:08
That wasn't the mole.
00:44:09
Murray hard, and I just a lot of questions.
00:44:11
But it isn't that the problem, too.
00:44:13
When you think about these teams like it has to be a team that is superstar heavy.
00:44:20
So even in Philadelphia, what we have Joe L and B.
00:44:23
Now Tobias Harris has been a bit of a disappointment as far as the contract goes, but if you add in the hardened, all of a sudden, his game is gonna look that much better around him.
00:44:31
But you need a team like that.
00:44:33
You need a team like Brooklyn who has two superstars to top 10 guys to say, Oh, this is just a thing that puts us dry over the top.
00:44:39
Now we're talking championship or bust over the next two seasons.
00:44:42
Where is your point? Denver If you bring them in there if you get better.
00:44:45
Yes, of course you dio.
00:44:46
But is it conference finals? Better? Is it finals appearance? Better? And if not the things that you mortgage to accomplish that trade can be decimating in two years when James Harden has gone like that. That's the real problem.
00:44:58
You're only talking about a two year window here with Harden before either somewhere else or at 33.
00:45:03
What does this game look like, right? It's again going to be an evaluation process of where he is and what he is to a team around the N B A.
00:45:09
So that's the tricky part.
00:45:11
If you wanna pull in, you know, sneaky team that's gonna hop into this mix.
00:45:16
You know what is your Boston? Uh oh, but what is that? Because they might make the trip.
00:45:30
Here's the Danny Ainge where it's like, Okay, like I'm thinking about it.
00:45:33
We almost got him this time.
00:45:35
It's like, All right, Danny Ainge, like you're never going to make the trade just would you flash up? But let's say, yeah, maybe we will, though. You don't know guys.
00:45:43
Maybe we, uh but what? I mean, let's just like just for sake of argument, a walking down.
00:45:47
Is it the Jalen Brown's? Is it the You know Who else is that? That's the centerpiece, because obviously, Tatum's off the table.
00:45:54
Let's just be clear there from Boston's perspective.
00:45:56
So it's Jalen Brown and anything and anything else that you want outside.
00:46:02
Pretty much e.
00:46:06
It's that intriguing, seeing how Kemba Walker was relatively low key in terms of crunch time, really coming up big for them and being able to lead them from a corner scoring perspective down the stretches of games and thinking maybe some pressure off the Tatum as he takes us next week like that's a nice little pairing if you if you still have Kemba Walker there.
00:46:24
If you're not losing him in the trade as well, what speculative you could say, Maybe that's a part of it, too.
00:46:29
But if you have Kemba Walker and James Harden in the backcourt there, that's a That's a pretty needle moving kind of thing for a team that that that hangs its hat on.
00:46:37
A lot of defensive a***en and some of those positions.
00:46:40
You talk about the markets, parts of the world.
00:46:42
They're not exactly upper echelon at the center position.
00:46:45
So how do you mitigate that? Well, you get better, you get better on the perimeter, you get better on bald guys that can really shoot and scored with consistency.
00:46:53
They'd be enticing outside the fact that Danny Ainge obviously isn't gonna do it.
00:46:56
I mean, other than that, Well, the other thing is, is Caris Levert and a billion picks mhm better than Jalen Brown.
00:47:04
A couple I would actually argue.
00:47:06
It almost is like I like Jalen Brown.
00:47:09
They he's a good player.
00:47:10
You might even be an all star a couple of times.
00:47:14
I just don't know if it's like if you're getting way more draft capital from the Nets and especially like picks when you get out till, like, 20 ups in those years.
00:47:28
Like I almost wonder if I'd rather get that Because Jalen Brown as good as he is like What is he, a third best player on a championship team? Onley different.
00:47:36
I guess the only difference is 23.
00:47:38
Jalen Brown is still on Lee 20 like it feels like he's been around a long time, but he's still just 23.
00:47:42
So the age gap there.
00:47:43
Maybe you're talking about potential upside versus if you're getting Caris Levert, you're gonna have him for another three seasons after this one.
00:47:49
This is the kicking of that bigger off the bigger years of his contract.
00:47:53
But you're not bringing him back on a second contract? Probably.
00:47:56
You know what, 30 31 You know.
00:47:58
Okay, if anything, you're probably going to flip him in his final year of his contract and send them somewhere else to get off from underneath there.
00:48:03
Whereas Jalen Brown you can You're gonna bring him back, right? He can be there for a decade on your team if you potentially want to.
00:48:09
So maybe the outside there and I get the Onley difference is the number of assets.
00:48:15
So if you're saying let's just arbitrarily, we're gonna give you two first round picks and Jalen Brown for James Harden, that's not enough.
00:48:21
But let's just say that's the package.
00:48:22
And then on the other side of you say we're giving you Caris Levert and we're going to give you four first round picks over a couple of years.
00:48:31
Is that Is that enough where you say what we package each year we move up in Target versus Packaging one package and move up the board to change that needle.
00:48:40
So that's the other thing, too.
00:48:41
Um, again, because Houston in the Western Conference, I feel like the MAWR they get from a draft perspective is obviously going to be the path for them just because it gives them the ability.
00:48:51
But this is the only issue I have with these rumors around James Harden to Brooklyn being like Automatic.
00:48:57
My only issue is it on.
00:48:59
Lee takes other teams wanting James Harden for the Brooklyn Nets to tumble down that list like they do not beyond mortgaging the future of draft assets.
00:49:09
They do not have the most enticing players, like even even the collection of them is not more enticing than, say, four guys from Brooklyn.
00:49:16
Spencer, Dinwiddie, Caris, Levert, Tory on Prince and Jared Allen plus pick offers that you're getting here.
00:50:03
And how much are you getting behind the doors of hardened being like like, Yeah, good luck.
00:50:06
Let's I'll telegraph through the media that if I get sent to Philly, I'm gonna be pretty disgruntled by it.
00:50:13
I'm not gonna love it.
00:50:14
He seemed open, though I think he is.
00:50:16
I'm not feel it was the, you know the example, but like he can if he doesn't want it.
00:50:20
And that's Brooklyn.
00:50:25
The connection to K. D.
00:50:27
In the days and I get it all that stuff also, you can you can go to him and say We're thinking about sending you to Philly.
00:50:34
You think that he doesn't look at that.
00:50:35
That roster underneath Doc Rivers would be there like he gets it.
00:50:39
And if it's about winning championships? Yeah, exactly.
00:50:41
He could look at that and say, Yeah, that's a really good landing spot.
00:50:44
So I don't think this is as, like, narrow focused on hard into Brooklyn as we perceive it today.
00:50:53
It's, I mean, look like The thing of Philly is like, if you're if you're Rafael Stone and you have a awesome great I'm so sorry that you had to take this job.
00:51:07
And I feel even worse for their new coach.
00:51:09
Um, let sucks like that sucks.
00:51:13
Um, but it's so happy to be here.
00:51:16
I wanna be trading e.
00:51:17
I feel so bad for you.
00:51:19
Um, if you're the if you're the Houston Rockets general manager and you refuse to do business with Daryl Morey and Ben Simmons is on the table.
00:51:33
Oh, God, that is awful.
00:51:35
Like that's done.
00:51:37
You're at that point, you're just handicapping yourself. That's that's terrible.
00:51:40
That's terrible GM IQ.
00:51:42
It's just it's bad.
00:51:43
Like I'm sorry.
00:51:44
It's sometimes like you have to suck it up and you have to take the best thing available.
00:51:48
By the way, you get Ben Simmons, who is 22 23 a guy that's gonna potentially be a defensive player of the year candidate for a bunch of years, one of the best passers in the league, a guy that you never know.
00:52:03
You never know what the offense is gonna turn into, but at the very least, he's somebody that's gonna be really fun to play with if you're if you bring in other young players, you draft other young players, whatever.
00:52:13
That's exactly the guy you want to get with one of these picks that you potentially be getting from the Nets.
00:52:19
You'd be hoping for a Ben Simmons you if he is on the table.
00:52:23
And by the way, I think there will hit a point where Daryl Morey Daryl Morey is gonna throw.
00:52:30
I mean, it's is notorious for throwing, you know, complete bs that other teams and being like, Hey, what do you think of what do you think about Horford and T stable in the first for James Harden? And it's like and that's what we got right now, like the Bold.
00:52:45
But it works slowly and slowly and slowly.
00:52:49
And I think eventually if he puts Ben Simmons on the table, you almost have to do it.
00:52:53
If you're Houston because otherwise what are you gonna dio take this sort of? Okay, Brooklyn trade.
00:52:59
I think that's inevitably where it goes.
00:53:02
But if Houston it all comes down to what Houston does, if Houston is just like we don't wanna help Daryl Morey and they take this trade or they say, We just don't want to do John Moore.
00:53:11
You almost have to work with Brooklyn. Ugo.
00:53:13
That's one of the two options we've gone through.
00:53:14
All the teams we talked about Boston we're talking about Denver.
00:53:18
Box is the only other team that makes sense.
00:53:20
I don't think that's happening.
00:53:21
It doesn't really seem like it seems like they wanna build for longevity and build around Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, which you know truthfully, I don't necessarily agree with.
00:53:29
I don't know, that's what I would do.
00:53:30
But whatever do you over there? Um, then I don't know who else is gonna be, so that could have come down.
00:53:38
And that's why that's why I think you have tow work with Philly.
00:53:41
If that's on the table, because again, the carousel Herbert Spencer Damewood He's the Jalen Brown, all these guys.
00:53:46
The difference is the thing that you that it's so hard to have, and it's always hard to gauge when you're watching.
00:53:51
MBA is defensive play defensive, a do***ent that capability you can.
00:53:56
You can surround players with shooters.
00:53:59
Shooters are findable across the league.
00:54:02
You could get him on MLS you could get him in the draft.
00:54:05
You can supplement the quality defensive unit.
00:54:08
So Bentsen's becomes that cornerstone. You go.
00:54:11
Okay. We'll figure out the rest.
00:54:13
This is the gem there.
00:54:14
Where again? If you make a trip with any other teams, all you've done is said Okay, let's see where we end up in a few years.
00:54:21
That's what you're saying.
00:54:22
You know, you're pushing the pause, but and that's okay.
00:54:24
But if you have the chance, man, if you if you cut off your nose to spite your face and you don't deal with Philly and Simmons is on the table, then guess what then.
00:54:32
I hope Houston is the is the worst team in the NBA for the next day.
00:54:35
Because that's what you just served.
00:54:36
You know, that s o like a Leo.
00:54:42
It gets exciting.
00:54:45
A bad that could have been time with a little We're off a little bit.
00:54:49
Um, no, I I mean, the other thing is you have Jared Allen.
00:54:53
We talked about this before we came on air, Jared Allen wanting a big extension and like congrats and get Spencer Dinwiddie for a protected pick.
00:55:01
That's what you can dio E.
00:55:04
I'm not trying to be this guy like I'm not going to be this guy for Brooklyn's fans and, like, you know, and throw cold water on this ah guy that can opt out next year.
00:55:11
And Spencer Dinwiddie, a guy that's coming up for a contract, and Jared Allen like that factors in if the pics are not, you know, just falling out of the PAP.
00:55:20
Who's that? They deliver it in.
00:55:21
Like, if it's not some 10 pick offer, then it is also about the players, and you're talking about a guy that's gonna be expensive and a guy that's not gonna be there like and and you're still talking about it.
00:55:33
It's OK you can afford to do If you're talking about locking up 16 to $18 million in Paris, labored over the next four years like it just doesn't it does not make the most sense on paper doesn't mean they won't do it, but it's a confusing at best and a less than ideal scenario for Houston if they choose to go that direction.
00:55:52
Yeah, I just like E.
00:55:54
I mean, you're not even getting a brand of Ingram in this deal.
00:55:58
You're not like care is thing I like.
00:56:00
I understand it.
00:56:01
Yeah, the star potential is there.
00:56:03
But you make such a great point.
00:56:04
Like even if he looks awesome, he's getting rerouted somewhere.
00:56:08
And then you're in the situation again.
00:56:10
Where, by the way, much tougher start.
00:56:12
Even if a lot of things go right for him. Tougher.
00:56:15
Start a deal.
00:56:16
Not gonna fit everywhere.
00:56:17
Assumpta, Vly! Um and all of a sudden you have this weird star that maybe only fits on 10 teams in the league and you're hoping to get a little bit of draft capital back? I just It's a lot of ifs and there is no ifs with Ben Simmons.
00:56:34
You get Ben Simmons and you, they're going to be.
00:56:36
I'm not saying teams are gonna line or players they're gonna line up to play with him, But he's gonna be really fun to play with that.
00:56:43
If you have Simmons, you're an attractive destination.
00:56:47
That's the difference to Caris.
00:56:48
Levert doesn't move that needle on the market the way that Ben Simmons would.
00:56:52
So that's the difference to it means one year from now you could be in free agency talking to some of the big names that are gonna be out there and saying, Look, we have been Simmons.
00:57:01
We want to pair you with him.
00:57:02
That's how you turn around and you conference a year removed from what felt like the end of the era for for the Houston Rockets.
00:57:11
All of a sudden you're right back there being competitive.
00:57:12
That again, if it was May, If you're paying me the big bucks in Houston, I'm That's what I'm angling for that that is the sole focus that I have.
00:57:21
I'm in Houston first and foremost.
00:57:22
Everything after that is a I'll wait and see.
00:57:25
We'll get to the truth on the market. But I'm not.
00:57:29
I'm not pushing the panic button to trade Harden from Houston any sooner than I have to before I find every available offer and before I determine if I'm willing to deal with Morrie in Philadelphia.
00:57:39
One last thing I thought of and I figured this was gonna be a long one today, but it should be.
00:57:44
This is a great we got a lot to talk about today.
00:57:46
Um, if I'm Houston and I know what I know about Maury.
00:57:52
Oh, I'm making this deal because the way Mori is, you know, does General managing is highly unsustainable.
00:58:01
Looking out, this'll galaxy brand.
00:58:06
I'm like, Oh, we're gonna get all these future picks.
00:58:09
Sweet.
00:58:10
This experiment might not last for two or three years.
00:58:14
The combination of Philadelphia has been up to the last handful of years.
00:58:19
Yeah, absolutely.
00:58:20
And then bringing in here on board.
00:58:21
And they're like, Hey, buddy, Ah, lot of these assets that we think are back end.
00:58:25
It could actually be skyrocketing in a matter of two or three seasons.
00:58:29
There's a There's a world where all of a sudden, in two years, there Jennison and bead and trying to go in Yeah, like that.
00:58:37
They're looking at their books like, Oh, Tobias Harris on a max contract.
00:58:40
Al Horford on a max contract.
00:58:43
You know what? We are gonna take Benson, because way we'll do, you see? Oh, you're welcome.
00:58:51
We took this 22 year old sack of coal off your hands.
00:58:54
Yeah, like I just It seems easy.
00:58:59
It seems obvious to be and you gotta look out for the future of your franchise.
00:59:05
I mean, say what you want about the Kyrie k d.
00:59:07
James Harden thing.
00:59:09
Yeah, it's a lot of personalities.
00:59:10
Don't really know how it works.
00:59:11
But But, man, if they work, those picks are gonna be worthless.
00:59:16
Yes, thanks. Way.
00:59:23
All agree.
00:59:26
Are you automatically? Also, I'm okay with the Brooklyn Nets, and I think they're okay as well.
00:59:33
Just buy that.
00:59:34
I think Sean Marks is totally comfortable walking into this season with Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving with DeAndre Jordan and Jared Allen bringing back Joe Harris having caress Liberty Spencer, I'm like, I don't like by the one of the things that we've talked about so much, and Doug and I talked about two is the Nets are a very deep team right now behind their stars.
00:59:54
I think that they feel pretty comfortable that approaching the season of that way.
00:59:57
It doesn't mean that that come playoff time, feel comfortable though every single guy who has been included in these trade rumors on again.
01:00:05
And by the way, And that's why when you talk about this idea of, like, hardens, been saying it blah, blah, blah and then you and you hear at least on the surface and whoa, saying like, no talks have been engaged in by the Brooklyn Nets.
01:00:15
Like I think that is Sean Marks and the Nets just being like Faras, you know, because the past, fine.
01:00:23
But we can come back.
01:00:24
Pitch is the delicate.
01:00:26
This is the Delic thing about bringing superstars and then the expectations and moves potentially.
01:00:30
But let's be realistic here.
01:00:32
The trade conversations around terrorist lover in his value in Den Witty and Alan, This is going back to last year these guys have been talking about is being traded away at some point since since the day that Kyrie, Irving and Kevin Durant signed there it was.
01:00:45
So do we think this roster can win with them or they need to make moves? That's been a part of what's happened in Brooklyn this entire time. It's not great.
01:00:52
But also, you know, it does mean to me that if you're Sean Marks and you're the Nets, would you love to have hard? Of course you would.
01:00:58
If it doesn't work out, you can again still look around the landscape of the league.
01:01:03
What are the small moves that we could make? How do we take $32 million of Taurean Prince and Paris? Revert and turn him into another valuable piece that we add to this roster and complements what we have here.
01:01:13
So I'm gonna be very curious about what happens leading up to the draft.
01:01:16
The next made that very small trade.
01:01:18
You call it small with the Detroit Pistons getting getting jettison.
01:01:23
Use Moussa.
01:01:24
I just did a crossover with the locked on, shook their from the lock down Detroit Pistons and I I tried to man as best I could because 75% of the Detroit Pistons fan base is disgusted by this trade.
01:01:35
They hate it.
01:01:36
They gave up Brown like Brown.
01:01:37
I go, I said, Listen first and foremost, and he broke down Brown from I said, Love Brown I.
01:01:44
He fits in beautifully with this roster, and I love that we got and he's young.
01:01:47
He's gonna be nice and complementary.
01:01:48
Defensive upside. Fantastic.
01:01:51
I said, What a bad team.
01:01:53
I apologize.
01:01:54
Like Detroit.
01:01:55
You could benefit from Moussa.
01:01:56
Being on the floor and getting minutes he can score for you like I was like even score by the way and I was like Is the some 40% shooting percentage concerning sure is the fact that that he was muddling in RG league for most of the year.
01:02:11
A problem sure has the both that he put on since he came into the league forced into what happens to a lot of players, get a little bit hunched over and crouched down, mitigating the size and length that he's supposed tohave.
01:02:23
Is that a problem? Sure.
01:02:26
I don't really know what else to tell you about Moussa, but at the end of like I could not believe it, it felt like it feels like such a fleecing.
01:02:36
You jettison the player that had zero.
01:02:40
The guy that's gonna be a rotational.
01:02:41
Yeah, actually damaging the roster in some ways just because he occupies a spot that you're not using way I can't guarantee you.
01:02:51
I guarantee you they would have waved him.
01:02:53
Oh, yeah, that hadn't happened.
01:02:54
Absolutely insane.
01:02:55
Very interesting.
01:02:56
That right now I did see.
01:02:57
By the way, though, I did see some versions where a third team has been introduced into these hardened talks in Brooklyn.
01:03:03
I saw one of them.
01:03:04
This could be speculative at best, that Brown was then listed as one of the trade pieces inside of it from Brooklyn.
01:03:11
So I you know, you want to get crazy with it.
01:03:13
It's like the Nets.
01:03:14
What they did was pivot, uh, useless asset and got a more valuable one.
01:03:18
That could be at least attractive if they need to talk about other players that make it more attractive for Houston or more attractive for a 13 that gets involved.
01:03:26
I prefer that Brown stays right where he is on this roster, and again, this speaks to me again, as constituted with all these players in the compliments.
01:03:34
Now you bring a nice little defensive.
01:03:35
It's like I just like the roster.
01:03:37
I know it's such a homer thing that it's homer thing for me to say.
01:03:40
E O Harden is better.
01:03:43
He's the best.
01:03:44
He's the answer.
01:03:45
And also, I'm just saying, like I could can wrap my head around this roster as constituted it infinitely more excited and the expectations that go infinitely higher if you go Oh, here comes J.
01:04:01
Here comes the deer just walking down the street, heading into headed into the Barclays Center.
01:04:04
So I get it all.
01:04:06
And maybe I'm just trying to hedge my emotional bets here because I don't You know, I don't want to do what a lot of fans have done.
01:04:11
Just all a matter of time.
01:04:13
It's all a matter of time before hardens here, like I need to understand that there's a world where he's not on this.
01:04:20
I'm one of those people.
01:04:21
I Hey, let me lay this production down right now.
01:04:25
I think it happens.
01:04:27
Oh, I think it happens.
01:04:28
I think there's too much going.
01:04:29
There's not a Bradley Beal situation where it's like, Oh, they might be interested.
01:04:33
There's too much going on here.
01:04:35
There's way too much.
01:04:36
And before anybody says, Well, I don't know if the Nets going to trade all there pics.
01:04:39
Yes, you would.
01:04:40
You absolutely would.
01:04:41
I don't care what Sean Sean Marks can sit in front of the mirror and tell himself, I won't be Billy King.
01:04:46
I won't be Billy King.
01:04:47
I won't be Billy King.
01:04:48
Your if you have the opportunity to get James Harden and you're going to Dio it's such a different situation because this is you have a window, you have the option to potentially threepeat.
01:05:02
You really dio I don't know how you beat this team and from somebody who loves film stuff loves to watch.
01:05:08
You know? You, like especially Like I love the Lakers.
01:05:11
Last year gonna win.
01:05:14
They won in ways I wasn't expecting this team.
01:05:17
Yeah, okay, you could say, Well, obviously they're gonna win because they have Kyrie, Katie and James Harden.
01:05:21
But I wanna know how they're going to do it.
01:05:23
Who's gonna playoff ball? What is the offense look like? Are they running the three of them in tandem? Are they splitting up their minutes? That stuff is so fascinating to me. It's fascinating.
01:05:32
Who takes the last shot? I just I want it.
01:05:35
I want it to happen.
01:05:36
I do think it's gonna happen because, look, this is not a Gregg.
01:05:39
Popovich is not a Bradley feel.
01:05:41
It's not just B s smoke that people are throwing out there and extrapolate There is legit noise.
01:05:46
He wants to come to Brooklyn.
01:05:47
There's nothing Houston could do.
01:05:48
Now he's turned down that extension.
01:05:51
Biggest wildcard is Philly.
01:05:53
And if if Houston is just like yeah, sorry, hardened Screw U s.
01:05:58
Oh, well, by the way, I'll give you one other caveat to that.
01:06:01
If you're not, if Philly is not on the table and you're talking about players and assets.
01:06:05
Then Houston can open it up to any number of desperate, lower level teams like the Charlotte Hornets Or, you know, teams of that ilk and go, I want I want every asset for a team that's not going to get out of the dungeon here, right? And then you can.
01:06:19
Then you're holding better value in the long term for Houston.
01:06:22
In terms of that draft capital, as opposed to maybe diminishing returns for Brooklyn Nets picks, they're all gonna be back in.
01:06:28
You expected over the next handful of years down the road, Maybe, but you could get Charlie and saying, Okay, we'll take a couple of guys off your roster and then we'll take this, you know, big pile of picks here for down the road as well.
01:06:40
I don't know if that's something Charlotte's looking to dio.
01:06:42
I know that they're a team like that has been very clear about its desperation to get competitive again, and they just can't seem to get over that hump.
01:06:49
In spite of having now some young talent, they can't seem to move that needle there.
01:06:53
So those are the kind of team that maybe also entered the fray.
01:06:56
And it's not Super star return in terms of Houston.
01:06:59
What do you think? It's back, but they can offer again.
01:07:02
If you're Charlotte, you're probably willing to go.
01:07:04
Yeah, I don't know if you want a decade's worth of picks.
01:07:06
Whatever you whatever it takes.
01:07:07
We're trying to be something, even if it's a flash in the pan for the next two or three years.
01:07:14
E listen, by the way, total disaster.
01:07:20
Charlotte.
01:07:21
But one last capital I went here that people just to dismiss this.
01:07:24
If Harden gets onto the team, every going who's good, not too many mouths to feed.
01:07:28
How's everybody going to get the shots? Breakdown average break down the number of shots that hardened Kyrie and Katie take? There's more than enough shots for all of them to do exactly what they've done in their careers without any issue.
01:07:40
And then, in some ways, you could even be like, Hey, Kyrie! Irving, you want to take off a couple offensive possessions.
01:07:45
You can just kind of linger around the back court and let James Harden walk up and do his step back three and knocked down a couple of shots like that.
01:07:53
So it that from that aspect of it that I have almost zero concern around that idea.
01:07:58
How do the Eagles how it doesn't matter.
01:08:00
They're all superstars.
01:08:01
They all can get their looks.
01:08:02
And at the end of the game, guess what? You know who takes the shot? Whoever happens to get the inbound pass from DeAndre Jordan, that's the guy that they're taking a shot Like I have zero concern about balancing all of this out.
01:08:13
If Harden ends up on Brooklyn, i e.
01:08:17
They were going to run into this issue.
01:08:19
No matter what you're exactly.
01:08:21
This is already gonna get part of it.
01:08:22
So it's like introducing that extra component going.
01:08:24
But what about it? Hardly.
01:08:26
Yeah, it doesn't matter if this all year we're gonna do with the vert, we would have probably done within Woody as well.
01:08:31
So you're actually taking two of those guys that you have to worry about packaging them together into one and honestly, like Carrie, Irving's never healthy.
01:08:43
He's never healthy. He's now.
01:08:45
I I don't even know if he plays till he's 31.
01:08:47
I have no idea.
01:08:49
And all of a sudden, consistently healthy, take them on a team where it's like, Okay, this makes a lot of sense.
01:08:58
You cannot be for Bradley, Beal and all these guys and be against Harden.
01:09:02
I refuse to accept that Anybody who is saying Oh, no, don't bring it hard.
01:09:07
It Oh, it's just doesn't make any sense.
01:09:08
Why does it not make sense? All the reasons that people like Brad Beale you should like hard and even more because he's just better because all those things better and you're incredibly durable too.
01:09:20
So you come to the season, you go.
01:09:21
Listen, you need time, k d.
01:09:22
We're not gonna overtaxed even though you had 18 months off like we're gonna let you come in nice and gentle.
01:09:27
Kyrie Irving, we're going to mitigate your reps to He's not gonna play 15 games, even if 100% healthy, he's still gonna take off 15 to 20 games during the season.
01:09:35
You could be like, Hey, James Harden, guess what? You gonna dio the same thing you've been doing your whole career.
01:09:39
You're gonna run these 72 games for us.
01:09:40
You're gonna take on the scoring when we need you Thio.
01:09:42
And then and then on the back end of the season, we'll go ahead and give you a ton of rest.
01:09:46
Something you hadn't been able to do in Houston.
01:09:48
So we get you super fresh for the playoffs Run as well.
01:09:51
So no, I mean, listen, there's all the reasons in the world to love this.
01:09:54
I'm not going to be the guy that says, I don't know.
01:09:57
I do.
01:09:58
I like it.
01:09:59
Sure, but do I love it? No.
01:10:00
Already fully committed on it.
01:10:01
Um, if it goes down.
01:10:02
So for MBA, I think no drips and drabs, no conversations.
01:10:20
What's out there? Just got radio silence, which I assume also underneath that she is actually happening any time like, Oh, they're not having talks.
01:10:27
And then everybody goes silent.
01:10:29
I'm like, Okay, so that's not true.
01:10:32
Everybody's talking.
01:10:34
Um, all right.
01:10:36
I think I think we're going to cap this right now.
01:10:38
We'll be back Thursday.
01:10:39
I'll be doing it solo tomorrow.
01:10:40
So who knows? What I'm talking about are what shape I'm in.
01:10:42
If we have another late night might be maybe you know, I'm I'll probably deep be like seven cups of coffee deed that tomorrow morning.
01:10:51
Yeah, exactly.
01:10:54
Be sweaty you know, just cold sweats from all the caffeine I'm on.
01:10:57
Uh, yeah, that's pretty fun.
01:11:00
I'll maybe I'll call.
01:11:02
Uh, I don't know.
01:11:03
What am I gonna call Danny Ainge tomorrow? Danny Granger.
01:11:06
Who knows? Doctor, Doctor.
01:11:07
Now, Adam, what do you got coming up this week? Oh, is it obviously, you know, locked on nets? We're doing our thing over there covering it.
01:11:16
So all the speculation, the draft is tomorrow, so I'll be poking around that, but, you know, NFL, any a content SportsCastr news here.
01:11:24
I'll doing that up until tomorrow.
01:11:26
Tomorrow morning will be midweek for one giant podcast.
01:11:28
You can check that out at 8. 30 in the morning.
01:11:30
And if I get the bat signal up there that that that Brooks needs an assist on the morning stream, you may.
01:11:35
You may find it back here again.
01:11:37
Maybe.
01:11:38
Well, yeah.
01:11:39
Why don't we just do tomorrow's together? That makes more sense.
01:11:41
Just sort of just do it.
01:11:42
We're gonna have enough.
01:11:43
It's more fun.
01:11:44
If we got two of us on, it's just it's just like yeah.
01:11:47
I mean, if it's just, you know, that's just like, you know, whatever.
01:11:51
Victor Oladipo don't stop this like I'm like, Adam.
01:11:56
Don't worry about that. I got the victor.
01:11:58
Oladipo stubbed his toe thing.
01:11:59
But if it's these trades, I think we have to have a little bit of back and forth because otherwise, it's just me talking to myself, going crazy.
01:12:04
So we'll be back.
01:12:12
And then Thursday.
01:12:13
And who knows? Um, Adam, thank you for joining me.
01:12:17
I will see you tomorrow.

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