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00:00:01
e e.
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I wish I could say something that was classy and inspirational.
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E That just wouldn't be our son.
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Pain heals.
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Chicks dig scars.
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Glory lithe.
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Thank that volume in a in todo number on ball Believable.
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Unbelievable.
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That's all I have to say to start off the show.
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My name is Steve Mathis.
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You confined me as always on Twitter at Judge Mathis and I'm joined, as always by my co host, Dave Tilton.
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Together you could find him on Twitter at some money together we are the Bills, guys.
00:02:40
And that song was playing in my head that in Hello, darkness Those were the two songs Simon and Garfunkel in R E M uh, in in my head last night, It was it was rough.
00:02:53
And, you know, I was telling you before we got it wasn't that we lost.
00:02:56
It was the way that we lost.
00:03:01
It was the way that we lost.
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And if if I remember correctly on the pregame, you know, you said something to the effect of I'm not going to get on the roller coaster this'll week, regardless of what happens and sure enough, this game was was exactly that it was a roller coaster.
00:03:17
We got the big got out to the to score lead.
00:03:20
Arizona comes all the way back.
00:03:22
You know, it's looking bleak for us.
00:03:23
We get the the big stop on Kyler Murray deep in their own zone.
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We go up, we get what we take the lead and then freak plays Man will go down is probably one of the top plays in.
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And, you know, when they show the top 100 plays in NFL history, it's probably gonna make the list.
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Unfortunately for the Bills and, uh, to be on the wrong side of that, it really hurts.
00:03:43
Like you said, how we lost is definitely worse than just had, you know, And we lost, you know, just like I was saying before we went on for down 26 23.
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We never really come back.
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Let's say, like, Have we lost that way? Would not have been this painful.
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Yeah, I mean, we scored 30 points, you know, we were gonna win.
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We had the lead with, what, 2034 seconds.
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34 34.
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It's not an absolute flute.
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I mean, you can't expect the offense to be perfect every drive.
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Um, you know, they only gave up 30 points.
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I mean, there's plenty of things that we gotta flush out, but this things and and we lost.
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And what's things is we lost in a very ability fashion all week.
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The talk was Skyler Skyler Tyler with the national media, and all the pundits were picking the cards to win, except for maybe Kurt Warner and Matt Hasselbeck.
00:04:34
So the talk all week with Cardinals, Cardinals, Cardinals, Kyler, Murray, Kyler, Murray, Kyler, Murray that prick over at ESPN, Ryan Clark was running his mouth about Josh Allen all week.
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You know I wasn't gonna let that one go.
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And what does Josh Allen do? Does he have a perfect game? No, by all means, he did not.
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But he leads a game winning drive and throws an absolute beauty to step on.
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Digs.
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Ah, highlight that we as Bills fans, we're going to see plastered all over football night in America.
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Good morning football.
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We were gonna be able to rub it in people's faces that we that we won this game.
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We were going to be able to rub it in Ryan Clark's face that we won this game, and instead the roles were reversed.
00:05:21
And it's the same old bills of the national pundits.
00:05:24
Get the last joke and it's DeAndre Hopkins splattered all over football night in America and Good morning football.
00:05:30
It's just you could you couldn't escape this game today.
00:05:34
You couldn't escape it.
00:05:36
Uh, what I did? Well, first, let's let me just also, since misery loves company, right? We've had a therapy session earlier in the season, but this one, this one digs a little deeper, right? And so let's talk.
00:05:51
Let's shout out of the people who are joining us for this therapy session tonight.
00:05:56
Dave Allen is in the house we had, you know, noisy boy and I were having a conversation in the chat before the show. You went live.
00:06:05
He's in the house.
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Um, you know a lot of that back and forth happening.
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Heather Hathaway's in Tommy Roads F the Jets, Billy Stevens, Buffalo Mafia News.
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Elliott's in the House, Bill's guys and Richard Rush.
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Um, Richard Forbes.
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Um, Andrew Miller's in the house tonight.
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There's like the comments are just like flying right now.
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So, like if I missed anyone, I apologize.
00:06:27
But man Dave's Dave with Super chat to start out the show here, says coaching costs I should have brought pressure play prevent with 34 seconds.
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Must be a record going for the field for a TV.
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And I think that I mean, the bills did bring the bills had I mean, Mario Addison.
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If you look at that last play he had, he had pressure, and I think it wasn't necessarily that we were.
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I think to me it was we were playing.
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In my opinion, we were playing too much of a normal sort of soft defense, and we were playing against guarding the touchdown.
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It was weird.
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I, in watching that replay, thought we were doing a really good job guarding the touchdown.
00:07:06
DeAndre Hopkins was the decoy on that play.
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They wanted DeAndre Hopkins to go deep to sort of draw everyone away from the other receivers, and it looked like Kyler Murray wanted to dump it like the plague.
00:07:19
What's for Kyler Murray to dump it down and for him, toe, get closer to the end zone.
00:07:25
I don't think that they were ready to helm area at that point.
00:07:28
Like literally DeAndre Hopkins was bracketed by four guys.
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And at the end of the day, I don't think it's coaching because, therefore got three guys there to bat the ball down.
00:07:38
At the end of the day, they just as players chose going for an interception mawr than knocking the ball down.
00:07:47
So the players got a little bit of selfish there.
00:07:49
That that's a comment that we That's something we could have a conversation about today because between trade going for that pick and a couple of people said, Andre Roberts went against coaches orders and took a couple kicks out of the end zone this week, where the Buffalo Bills get a little full Selves where they get a little too confident, a little too ****y, you know, heading into the desert this week because it seems like they made a couple of maybe me first plays that would have cost of them.
00:08:12
It's possible.
00:08:13
I mean, Andre Roberts got tackled, I think, inside the 15, twice at least once.
00:08:17
Um, Scott Regular super chatter bars bringing this comment.
00:08:21
I don't know what freaking happen in the first quarter.
00:08:23
We were dominating but came out in the second half is just like we gave up one drive really got me was the delay of game.
00:08:28
And then, um, you know, to offsetting penalty.
00:08:31
Yeah, there was the one, Dr obviously, where we had the four penalties on the same drive.
00:08:35
Um, and it's been well do***ented that the third quarter has been a struggle for the Bills, even dating back to last year.
00:08:40
So that's e mean, as much as we would like to say that, you know, it sucks, but it's really not a surprise.
00:08:49
It's a trend now.
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The Bills are not a good third quarter team on bond.
00:08:54
To be honest with you, they haven't really fixed it at all, so we'll get into that.
00:09:00
But here's a statistic that we're gonna break down at length on the show today.
00:09:04
Naked from WG are posted this stat on Twitter.
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In the third quarter, after the Beazley touchdown, we go up 23 to 9 23 to 9.
00:09:15
We go up and in the ensuing what 12345 drives.
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This is what we do in the ensuing five drives.
00:09:22
Three place, six yard, 12 yard punt, three place, 14 yards interception, six place, five yards punt, four place eight yards punt that included four penalties, one play, zero yards interception.
00:09:35
That's what we did after we went up 23 to 9.
00:09:38
So if we want to talk about where we really lost his football game, we lost it right there in the third quarter when it took us six drives to adjust for what Vance Joseph came at the Bills with after that touchdown to cope easily, I agree.
00:09:52
I mean, this is like right into that calm those drives you were mentioning, Brooke McBride says, We need to work on the second half performance.
00:10:00
This is a fluke play.
00:10:01
When we return the yeah, I mean, look, I mean, I think obviously, well, it's obvious we would be a lot more upbeat how we won the game.
00:10:09
But we would still have some some criticism here of the second half performance, obviously.
00:10:14
But yeah, it was a fluke play.
00:10:16
I get it.
00:10:17
Those five drives you just mentioned were abysmal.
00:10:19
Um, the running game was non existent, Robert Milligan says.
00:10:24
We didn't lose it.
00:10:25
They want it. I agree with that.
00:10:27
I think that's fair.
00:10:28
I think that's a fair assessment.
00:10:29
After the Cole Beasley touchdown if you're getting out coached by bands. Joseph.
00:10:34
That's a problem.
00:10:35
Like I spent a good chunk of the pregame show and I spent a good chunk of our preview show making fun advanced Joseph, because I really think he is that bad of a coach.
00:10:44
So when you're Brian Table and your Josh Allen to Josh, Allen is not devoid of blame here when it takes you six drives after Colby Z scores to score again, someone said, Well, they scored 17 unanswered points.
00:10:57
17 points given up by your defense in the second half isn't that brutal if you just score once once in that series of play.
00:11:05
And again, of course, and we're talking about that.
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They were the number one offense, not the number one scoring offense, but the number one yardage offense in the NFL.
00:11:13
So, like you were doing a decent job there and you obviously got those those turnovers.
00:11:17
Um, Scott wants, you know, brings up another point.
00:11:20
On the last play, they had three chances of sat Kyler.
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Murray.
00:11:23
Yeah, I mean, Addison, we talked.
00:11:24
I talked about that a little bit ago.
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He just he had him, right? He he just again.
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Fate he fell fell for the inside move instead of just keeping, you know, keeping contained.
00:11:34
If he would have kept Kyler Murray in the pocket, Heiler Murray would have had to throw the ball to the other side of the field.
00:11:41
It would have been it would have been a wide open Larry Fitzgerald or a wide open Christian Kirk, but they would have been pushed out of bounds.
00:11:47
And Arizona would have got another play with, you know, 10 or so seconds left.
00:11:52
So Arizona still would have been alive.
00:11:54
Don't get me wrong, but if Mario Addison hadn't, um, Don't did what he did and hadn't gone, you know, diving at Kyler, Murray Kyler Murray would not have been flushed to that side of the field, and that's not where he would have thrown.
00:12:05
You just got to stay in front of him at that point.
00:12:06
Don't leave your feet right. Don't leave your feet.
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Just stay in front of them.
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Keep forcing him back inside.
00:12:12
If, like if that's the case, like you said, he's like they may get another play, but he doesn't get that throw off land e.
00:12:18
I think I'll take the blame.
00:12:20
You know, I've been, uh I went to the doctor and I got a physical on.
00:12:24
I did like the number on the scale.
00:12:26
So I've been scaling back on my beers, so my beer selection was not great.
00:12:31
Eso I just have to do a better job having better beers on hand.
00:12:34
Eso I have things to chug during a pregame.
00:12:36
So you know what, Lance? Uh, it is my fault.
00:12:39
I took full blame.
00:12:40
You're right.
00:12:41
This is This is my fault.
00:12:43
Um, don't blame challenge.
00:12:45
Don't blame Shami Thurman.
00:12:46
Don't blame Brian Day.
00:12:47
Well, this is all on me, guys.
00:12:48
I was too confident.
00:12:50
I was too ****y was flaunting on the pregame show.
00:12:52
I believe I predict Josh on that. There were 500 yards.
00:12:55
So, um, that one's on me.
00:12:57
Guys, this one's on me.
00:12:58
This was on the, uh that's a sign of a good.
00:13:01
That's a sign of a good leader.
00:13:02
Selfless guy falling on the sword for the team.
00:13:05
Pretty selfless act on your part.
00:13:07
Thio fall on that sword, So yeah, I mean, look, um that that last play is gonna get dissected every which way when they all 22 comes out and that's going to get I don't know if it's out yet.
00:13:18
I checked this morning.
00:13:19
It wasn't, But it's gonna get dissected every which way.
00:13:22
I think, um, what's going to be kind of nice for me, I guess is that because it's a by week coming up this weekend like I might just avoid avoid watching some football might just get away.
00:13:35
You do something fun, just get away and come back ready, E o I'm going to and someone brings up, like, if we're not careful, the dolphins are gonna be close.
00:13:47
I think we have the easier schedule, the to, um I think that, uh you know, to has had to have, like, a rough start versus the Rams.
00:13:56
Like he threw for what, like 90 something yards, you know, they dominated on special teams and defense.
00:14:00
Then he sort of warmed up a little bit against the Cardinals and the Chargers.
00:14:03
But, you know, we we see it with every rookie quarterback, like they hit a wall like teams are gonna figure out to, uh and then it's gonna take to, ah, couple weeks, possibly the rest of the season to figure it out once.
00:14:14
The defense is a just so I Yes, the Miami Dolphins air on a heater.
00:14:20
Andi.
00:14:21
Yes, they have a very similar scheduled to the Buffalo Bills, and we meet them in Week 17.
00:14:24
But I need to see, like 23 more weeks of to, uh, before I feel too concerned about the Miami Dolphins because Robert Milligan said it.
00:14:32
Yes, it's a common opponent, so it's rough.
00:14:35
But it wasn't a divisional game, you know.
00:14:38
It was not a divisional game against the Cardinals.
00:14:40
It might bring us closer as a team.
00:14:42
It might be a good little, you know, shot in the chin toe.
00:14:45
Wake us up and get us focus heading into that by week.
00:14:48
So maybe we'll look into that back at this is sort of a blessing in disguise.
00:14:51
But you know, it is, Ah, it just again, just going back to the top of the show.
00:14:58
It's not that we lost.
00:15:00
It's how we lost.
00:15:01
It's just I'm just sick of losing that way.
00:15:04
As a Bills fan, I'm sick of being on the losing end of those, uh, those generational place.
00:15:11
Well, that's the thing, right? Like we've had some place where we're using, like, uh, Leo's McKelvin fumble The Dallas Monday nighter with the recovery.
00:15:22
Yeah, I mean, speaking of which, this is This is the worst I've felt since that Houston game.
00:15:30
And obviously we've only played games where we've lost twice since then, right? The Chiefs in the Titans game and that, like what I would do to feel not as like, to feel as bad as I did for those two games because compared to have bad, I feel now because honestly, it reminds.
00:15:47
It reminds me of how I felt after that Texan scheme, which was just deflated thinking like Man, we had that game.
00:15:55
But, you know, the main difference, I think, is that that Texans game was kind of like a gradual.
00:16:00
They kind of took it back from us.
00:16:02
And then one of the end where this was like we had it and it was it was one play, and just like that, it was wiped out.
00:16:08
So, man, man, it was painful.
00:16:11
Yeah, let's let's go to the offense.
00:16:13
Now let's talk about the offense.
00:16:15
Let's change the tone from negative, and let's try to find some positives in the offense.
00:16:19
I think the positives, the positives that I have down are.
00:16:22
They scored 30 points, like at the end of the day, they scored 30 points.
00:16:25
It's a lot of points.
00:16:26
The National Football League.
00:16:27
So they scored 30 points.
00:16:28
Cole, Beasley and stuff on digs continue to dominate 11 catches and 10 tech catches.
00:16:33
I really loved the aggressiveness at the end of the first half, using this time outs to get the ball back and kick that long suitable Sean McDermott for showing that kind of, you know, aggressiveness and last but not least, Isaiah Mackenzie.
00:16:47
He's just fun.
00:16:48
He's just fun.
00:16:49
He's just a fun dude.
00:16:50
He got to play Carla Murray all week in practice, so he gets to go out there and he gets to utilize that skill throwing two touchdown pass to Josh down.
00:16:57
The Bills are all into when Josh catches a touchdown pass, by the way, So let's maybe not do that anymore, but those are the positives I took out of the offense.
00:17:04
What were some of the things that maybe you do you consider the Consider the Bassmaster part of the offense.
00:17:11
In this case we can we can fit him in and we can put boho in with the negative.
00:17:15
Yeah.
00:17:16
So, Tyler Bass.
00:17:17
Great.
00:17:18
I mean, this this this guy.
00:17:19
I mean, since that Jets game right where he kicked this thing eight e was onto something, right? You got all those reps in real game action.
00:17:27
And since then, and even concluding that game, he's been pretty money like the only Missy had was that bomb that we tried at the end of the first half in that Seattle game.
00:17:36
That's the only miss he's had since that Jets game.
00:17:38
So basses confidence is growing.
00:17:42
He's got the leg.
00:17:43
I've liked what I've seen out of Tyler Bass, and we were right.
00:17:47
You know, a lot of people were about like, we gotta be patient with a rookie kicker and he's shined, Elliott says.
00:17:54
That's where you're so what he's referencing here, and that just makes the Elliot.
00:17:59
Why do you got to do that? I had forgotten about that part, and that's what makes it stinks so much, too.
00:18:04
Stefon Diggs makes his Buffalo Bills defining touchdown I **** it and grabs him after the touchdown and goes, I thought we were over this, Elliott you have to go bring it back.
00:18:14
Isaiah Mackenzie grabs him by the pads, pulls them up and says, That's what you're here for.
00:18:19
That's why they brought you here.
00:18:21
Like and that was just It was such an icon.
00:18:23
It could have been such an iconic moment for the Buffalo Bills.
00:18:28
And it could have been something that we really remembered and took away from this season.
00:18:33
And, uh, ****ing DeAndre Hopkins with just such a great play.
00:18:41
**** e mean breathing.
00:18:45
Breathe in. Breathe out, Lance.
00:18:47
Coming in with the Super Chat.
00:18:48
We have Chargers Niner, Steelers, Broncos, Patriots, Dolphins.
00:18:50
I see us going five and one.
00:18:51
How about you? Um, you know, we talked about this little in the pregame yesterday.
00:18:55
I said four and three down the stretch, so that makes it Ah, four and two for me over these next six.
00:19:05
It's kind of I guess, how I would see it play out.
00:19:07
Um, look, it's so it's so weird, right? Because, like one week to the next, like some of these teams have looked so good and so like, the Steelers, one week after looking pretty bad against the Cowboys, look pretty good.
00:19:19
Yesterday against the Bangles, and I know it's the Bengals.
00:19:21
Chargers are very weak, too weak, hard to tell what you're gonna get.
00:19:25
But Justin Herbert's been pretty good this year.
00:19:27
Broncos now drew Lux hurt.
00:19:29
That's probably the easiest game on the schedule remaining and then Patriots and Dolphins division games.
00:19:35
It's just hard to say Niners who knows what their injuries situation look like.
00:19:39
So I like I like lances.
00:19:41
Prediction of five and one.
00:19:42
I think five and one would obviously wrap up the division for us.
00:19:46
Uh, it should, obviously.
00:19:49
But I think four and two, even in these last six is Ah, what would you? Here's the thing to Lance.
00:19:55
Followed it up with who beats us like look at the schedule.
00:19:58
Who beats us? The NFL is very much a week to week league.
00:20:01
If the Buffalo Bills show up like they did against the Seattle Seahawks, we could run the table there or go for at least five number one.
00:20:08
But the Buffalo Bills who played against the Arizona Cardinals show up any one of these teams could knock us off.
00:20:14
Any one of them have shown glimpses off enough life on any given Sunday to knock us off, whether it's the Chargers and Herbert the Niners, that they could get their run game going and may be forced a couple of turnovers and and do some things on defense.
00:20:26
The Broncos, Every once in a while come toe life you saw with the Patriots.
00:20:30
And on Sunday night, I expect to beat the Chargers.
00:20:33
I expect to beat the Niners.
00:20:34
I expect to beat the Broncos, and I expect to split.
00:20:37
Or at least when you know 50 50 Patriots Dolphins.
00:20:41
So, um, to me, yes, for four and 25 and one sounds great, but you've got to show up like you did against Seattle.
00:20:50
You can't be.
00:20:51
You can't show up and play like you did against Arizona Cardinals and expect to run the table or go five and one.
00:20:56
And Scott, here with Super Chat, says you think about it.
00:20:58
The Dolphins win next week against the Browns.
00:21:00
Dolphins were playing the Browns next week.
00:21:02
I guess I e assume that's right.
00:21:04
Um, they be tied for us with the division.
00:21:07
We'd have the tiebreaker, obviously, because we played them once to beat them, and then we've got the charges the following week.
00:21:11
So I think Bill's Mafia I mean, as much as the Browns air in the kind of playoff makes, we are all Browns fans, UH, this upcoming weekend, regardless of what the Browns record is in them, you know, in the wild card or whatever.
00:21:25
We are all Browns fans this upcoming weekend, and we are all fans of teams that are playing against the Dolphins at this point, I think from here on out.
00:21:33
So yeah, and you said that the Patriots are garbage.
00:21:37
I don't disagree with you, but at the end of the day, they're coached by Bill Belichick.
00:21:42
They were a Cam Newton fumble away from beating us, and they just beat the Ravens last night and some new football.
00:21:47
So Miami plays Denver next week, not the Browns.
00:21:49
I agree.
00:21:50
You know, I agree that we're better than all of those teams on that schedule.
00:21:54
With the exception of Pittsburgh, I think Pittsburgh is better than I do.
00:21:58
I just dio, but that doesn't mean you're gonna win those games just because you're better on paper.
00:22:05
We just saw what we saw against the Arizona Cardinals, so it's tough.
00:22:09
It's tough like don't get me wrong, but the Buffalo Bills got to spend this bye week really thinking about some things, really thinking about some things, looking in the mirror and and sort of assessing what they're doing on both sides of the ball, because there are a lot of things that can be fixed.
00:22:25
And let's start talking about some of them.
00:22:27
And let's start with the running game and the interior offensive line.
00:22:31
Lucky photo went on.
00:22:32
I are there.
00:22:33
Big, um, there big sort of run stuffer.
00:22:37
Corey Peters left with an ankle injury.
00:22:39
Jordan Phillips didn't play in this game.
00:22:41
Zach Moss had seven carries.
00:22:43
Devin Singletary had four carries.
00:22:45
The running game was non existent.
00:22:48
Whether that was by design, whether that was because they had no belief in it, and if they had no belief in it, it's probably because of the interior of the offensive line they went with, like but er, John Feliciano and, um, and Brian winners.
00:23:02
Despite the fact that Mitch Morse was active.
00:23:04
Now, plenty of people are talking today was much more benched.
00:23:07
It was a question Sean McDermott didn't like the question.
00:23:09
Sean McDermott got very passive aggressive, but you know, what were your thoughts on the run game and the interior of this office of line? Uh, I mean, there were chants.
00:23:20
There were a few chances here and there.
00:23:21
A couple bad snaps, I think, ruined a couple running plays.
00:23:24
Um, but overall, not great.
00:23:26
I mean, it felt like, um e mean, although the pressure that was getting to Alan was coming from the outside most of the game, the run game obviously had nowhere know where to go.
00:23:36
If you take Josh Allen's sort of designed quarterback draws out of the equation.
00:23:40
You're talking about Moss averaging under three yards of carry in Singletary, averaging under 40 yards a carry.
00:23:47
I mean, you break this down even further.
00:23:48
Moss had seven carries for 20 yards, and his long was the 14 yarder.
00:23:53
So if you take that 14 yarder out, he had six carries for six yards.
00:23:57
Okay, Singletary's long of 13.
00:24:00
He had 15 yards and four carry, so you take his 13 out.
00:24:05
He had three carries for two yards, so, like other than two runs that each of them broke.
00:24:13
I mean, this run game was awful right, and it and it's like the interior Online obviously plays a factor in that.
00:24:20
And like at the end of the game, you know, towards the end of the game, that was, like clear that the run game was doing nothing.
00:24:26
We were losing yardage on runs, so they kind of had Thio go away from it.
00:24:30
But, man, I know we're going to get into this thing about Mitch Morse.
00:24:34
I I find it very odd that he was active and didn't play.
00:24:38
I will say that if that was going to be the case and why, you know, why wouldn't you just make him inactive for the game and let someone else like, give someone else that active roster spot? So I found it very odd.
00:24:51
Maybe it was like an emergency situation.
00:24:53
They were gonna use them.
00:24:54
And I know Sean McDermott got a little salty, but that question and said it was like non football.
00:24:59
Ah, nothing based, not non injury based decision.
00:25:04
It was purely a football decision.
00:25:05
Which shot is shocking to me, given that he's the highest paid offensive lineman on the team? Um uh right.
00:25:14
So, like what? What gives there? And then he made some comment about how this group had had mo mentum.
00:25:20
I mean, come on, like Coach, speak or not.
00:25:23
Like if he's your starting center and you're paying him all that money, you need to say Mitch Morse is air starting center when he's healthy and we gave him a you know, we gave him a rest game.
00:25:33
We're gonna only use them in an emergency situation if we needed to.
00:25:37
Whatever the case may be, I I personally believe that.
00:25:44
Like whether you're not you think it was Coach speak.
00:25:46
It was kind of a week answer.
00:25:48
In my opinion, he he brought the drama upon himself very non.
00:25:56
Sean McDermott Answer like he he's the one who made it a big deal.
00:25:59
Like all he had to say, It was like it was an emergency based decision.
00:26:03
In my in my mind, I think that this decision was simple.
00:26:07
They had much more is there because they felt like he could play.
00:26:11
But they also realized they're heading into a bye week.
00:26:14
He gets one more week of rest and that interior offensive line between Miami running the ball in Seattle pass blocking was on a little bit of a heater.
00:26:22
But at the same time, Mitch Morse never went in When they didn't get hot against the Cardinals, Andi had that that weak ass response in the postgame.
00:26:29
So there is cause for concern.
00:26:31
But I'm not gonna let myself worry about it until until after the bye week.
00:26:37
And if he's not starting against the L A Chargers, then it it'll appear.
00:26:41
It's a quit in Spain situation and they're scapegoating him on.
00:26:44
Then I'll start getting salty about it.
00:26:46
But until that happens, um, but you're going to scapegoat.
00:26:50
Yeah, I agree with you.
00:26:51
There is no way that's gonna happen because you're not gonna keep your your center that you paid big money to one year ago.
00:26:57
It's not gonna happen.
00:26:58
Um, as we continue talking about the offense here, Lance has another super chat.
00:27:04
Josh is obviously not gonna be perfect on every throw, but he has to make better decisions coming out half the two NTC through or just poor decision making.
00:27:11
Holding it too long under throws.
00:27:13
There were actually a couple, I think, the one interception he threw going to his left where Patrick Peterson kind of cut in front of the route honestly, was not even as bad of a decision.
00:27:23
I would say as some of his other decisions that could have been picks that weren't that was just like to me and more of a bad throw.
00:27:31
I think if that throw was thrown a little more outside and Onley gives his guy a chance to catch it, So I don't necessarily fault that decision there.
00:27:38
The throw was poor, but some of the other decisions where he threw into into coverage and when we're Peterson dropped it and he was slamming his hand on the ground that that, to me, was a bad throw.
00:27:48
Um, you know, and they obviously the other one, he sailed.
00:27:51
So, yeah, I mean, this is This is what we know is going to happen.
00:27:56
Like Like it's very rare for a quarterback to throw, like, even low single digit interceptions in a season.
00:28:05
Unless your name's Aaron Rodgers and you just don't throw interceptions.
00:28:07
Okay, so, you know, chances.
00:28:11
Right? And at the end of the day that Josh still accounted for three total touchdowns, including the go ahead, not game winning, unfortunately, one with 34 seconds left, so yeah, he obviously, um, isn't gonna be perfect.
00:28:23
But Josh Allen, you know, he did enough for us to win the game at the end of the day and could have had another game winning drive tallied in his in his box store in his in his career stats.
00:28:33
And he just, you know, just didn't happen.
00:28:35
I mean, what I'm gonna say is when you throw the ball 49 times, what do you think is gonna happen? Like there's gonna be 5 to 10 words like like when you throw the ball four times, you're not gonna have perfection.
00:28:47
And listen, I'm not trying to scapegoat.
00:28:49
I'm not trying to scapegoat Brian table.
00:28:51
I'm not trying to say Brian Table should be fired.
00:28:52
I'm not trying to say any of those things, but but I think that there needs to be some reflection during this bye week because a couple of things happened that just baffled me.
00:29:02
Number one I sent in the pregame show I expected, gave Davis to go off with Tyler Kroft out, and instead they sort of double down on their tight ends.
00:29:10
And you saw a lot of Dawson knocks and you saw a lot of 11 personnel where you saw, like the running backs in the tight ends, flanking out to go five wide instead of going to 10 personnel, it gave Davis.
00:29:19
Now there's reasons for that.
00:29:21
It helps Josh Allen figure out what the coverages, because you could see who follows the running back and you could see follows a tight end and all that stuff.
00:29:28
But, I mean, at the end of the day, like gave, Davis didn't really come into the game until John Brown got hurt.
00:29:34
And I feel like there was Cem, Cem Cem ways to exploit that defense in 10 personnel with Gabriel Davis.
00:29:40
They didn't even try it, and it was taking them far too long to adjust the things like that.
00:29:46
Cover zero blitz.
00:29:47
How many times have we thrown that screenplay? Guess what? They finally figured out the wide receiver screen and they snuffed out Stefan Day, you know.
00:29:54
And then, in the third quarter, we mentioned theatrically the Cole Beasley touchdown.
00:29:58
Ah Dr of three place, six yard, 12 year Pond, three place, 14 yards interception, six place, five yards punt, four place, eight yards punt, four penalties on the drive, one play zero yards interception that 23 to 9 lead sizzled on those drives.
00:30:14
It went away fizzled. Sorry, not settled.
00:30:16
Fizzled.
00:30:17
One away went away.
00:30:18
Went bye bye Poof! Run the ball.
00:30:23
Your offense is clearly struggling.
00:30:25
You.
00:30:26
The other team is going on the 17 point run.
00:30:30
You have a two possession lead.
00:30:34
Try to sustain a drive by creating some third and shorts.
00:30:37
Run the football.
00:30:38
Run the football like I want to be mad at the Interior Office of Line for not having a great day blocking.
00:30:45
But at the end of the date, like there was no emphasis on the run game, it was seven for Moss.
00:30:50
It was four for Singletary.
00:30:52
Don't even try.
00:30:53
They didn't even try.
00:30:54
So, like, what do you expect? Like I expect that to happen.
00:30:58
I expect the offense to flounder like they did in the third quarter.
00:31:02
If you're just passing, passing, passing, passing, passing, passing, because guess what? When there's no when you don't mix it up.
00:31:07
When the opponent knows what you're doing, they can strategize against it.
00:31:12
And that's what Vance Joseph did.
00:31:13
He started coming out.
00:31:14
He realized they weren't gonna run, and he dialed up a game plan for it, and it took the Bills seven possessions to figure it out.
00:31:21
And in those seven possessions, they scored 17 points and took the lead.
00:31:25
Yeah, I mean, Cardinals six tackles for loss as well.
00:31:27
So a couple of those times where maybe they did try to run the ball predictably on first down, losing yardage penalties, setting them back, you get yourself into bad down and distance is which they did with a lot of those penalties.
00:31:39
It's hard, right? It's hard to then go back and run the ball.
00:31:42
So I mean, I think at one point we went like we had two penalties in row.
00:31:45
We went from a 1st 15 in the first in 20 and then we had, like, a second.
00:31:50
So, you know, soul here says with super chat, only time we loses when we beat ourselves.
00:31:54
And those penalties were big.
00:31:55
I mean the dot people people are people are coming in hot on the comments with about Dawson knocks because you mentioned the tight ends.
00:32:02
I mean, you talk about that one where it was offsetting penalties where the cardinals were offsides, and then Dawson Knox has the block in the back way down the field.
00:32:10
It's funny because that place kind of bad luck if the Cardinals aren't offsides there and Dawson knocks blocks that far down the field, we might even still get a first down out of that.
00:32:19
But since Cardinals actually had a penalty and offset in, the plane never happened.
00:32:23
It actually maybe even heard us that the Cardinals were offsides.
00:32:26
But regardless, Dawson knocks.
00:32:29
Um, you know, I he's a talented guy, but at this point, it's a trend he's becoming a liability on.
00:32:37
I don't know.
00:32:39
Yes, Scott says.
00:32:40
I apologize. Probably drunk.
00:32:41
Yeah, that's that is, yeah, I'll be a big Broncos fan, but Drew locks gonna be out.
00:32:44
It sounds like, and that's going to be looking like an easy game for Miami.
00:32:48
Usually turned out the NFL.
00:32:51
Yeah, there's news now that Locke has a rib injury.
00:32:53
I believe someone can correct me on that in the comments section.
00:32:56
Really? I believe Lock has a ribbon dream.
00:32:59
His status is in doubt.
00:33:01
I don't know if they've said he's out for sure, but I believe this status is in doubt. Man.
00:33:05
Miami's gonna tee off on on that.
00:33:07
If that's the case, and but, yeah, I mean the point being that psalm mention is that we beat ourselves and yeah, I think we kind of did in this game.
00:33:18
Uh, T.
00:33:19
Dobbs says, turning point of the game to stand up our pos, where Murray goes right around the outside of Mario Addison.
00:33:24
Yeah, like no offense like no offense.
00:33:27
I'm not saying it was like an embarrassing.
00:33:30
It was embarrassing, like by any means.
00:33:33
It was It wasn't.
00:33:35
But still, at the end of the day in the second half, when they got in the first half, they kicked field goals.
00:33:41
In the second half, Cliff Kingsbury adjusted and they score touchdowns in the red zone.
00:33:45
Cliff Kingsbury outsmarted Leslie Frazier in the red zone in the second half, just like Vance, Joseph outsmarted Brian Table.
00:33:51
After that, Cole Beasley touchdown for 567 possessions took him a while to figure it out.
00:33:55
We got out coached in the second half.
00:33:56
We got outcoached and outplayed.
00:33:58
We got outcoached and outplayed the second half.
00:33:59
Now Josh Allen makes a big time place that put us up to that 17 point lead, which then allowed us to come back.
00:34:07
Don't get me wrong.
00:34:08
We have the ability to do that.
00:34:09
Josh On is that kind of player.
00:34:11
And sometimes you just gotta live with that because that's what Josh Allen is.
00:34:14
He's gonna have those 56 drives down and out, down in the dumps, and then he brings you back.
00:34:19
It's gonna happen.
00:34:20
But this is what happens when that stuff happens is there's a chance that you lose the football game.
00:34:25
Yeah.
00:34:26
I mean, look again, if this if this flukey play doesn't happen, we're talking about this thes same types of things, but mawr of, Ah, uh, you know mawr of it from a constructive criticism angle than reasons when we lost the game.
00:34:40
Because really, you can point to that one.
00:34:42
You obviously can point to the Hail Mary and like that's That's it, right? You could say, Oh, that's it.
00:34:47
Like it was a fluke, like we won the game.
00:34:50
And then that happened.
00:34:51
So it's just hard to sometimes put things into perspective or talk about these things in these different perspectives when you know there's the L on at the end of it, right? So, um, but maybe like you said, Maybe this is going to be a good, you know, punching the chin for this team going in the bye week.
00:35:11
They have to take this bad taste in their mouth now for two weeks.
00:35:14
They don't get to go right back out on the field and and try to redeem themselves right.
00:35:19
It's like it's almost like those those weeks where, like you lose on Sunday and you have a Thursday game.
00:35:24
It's almost kind of better because you get out there right away and you can kind of get that bad taste out of your mouth potentially now.
00:35:29
They got a stew on this for two weeks, and, like you said, this could be a moment potentially where we look back and say, Hey, maybe it galvanized this team and you know Sean McDermott to his credit, Um, after tough losses that the Bills have had in his tenure, they've come back and they have performed well, you know, you go back to that.
00:35:47
The Nate Peterman debacle, the Chargers game.
00:35:51
I believe if I'm not mistaken the very next game.
00:35:53
After that, we went into Arrowhead and beat the chief.
00:35:56
So, um and that kind of turned our season around and ultimately got us in the playoffs in 2017.
00:36:00
So look, this team has shown the ability to rebound after tough losses.
00:36:06
So let's hope that that is the case here.
00:36:07
And I believe Sean McDermott of I'm not mistaken is three.
00:36:10
You know, after by weeks in his career, is the Bills coach, so that also bodes well.
00:36:16
Think we have either? A Cardinals fan on patrol in the comments section said, Your team got mosque.
00:36:20
Josh Allen wasn't good.
00:36:22
He should have been better, but he could have put the game away.
00:36:24
But you have a riel.
00:36:25
But he gave a real M V P candidate calamari a chance to capitalize.
00:36:29
I don't understand where I don't understand how Kyler like like listen, Kyler, Murray and Josh down around the same tear to me like they're both.
00:36:37
They're both have about the same MVPs right now.
00:36:40
Like Karen, Laurie ain't Yeah, he ran for two touchdowns, and he he threw a nice little bomb.
00:36:45
Take that bomb away and the stat line don't look so great, because let's flip it over to the defense inside the ball.
00:36:50
Now let's flip it over the years.
00:36:51
The ball? Um you know, my positives for the defense of side.
00:36:54
The ball was the first half.
00:36:55
They did exactly what I said they were gonna do in the preview.
00:36:57
They did exactly what I said they were gonna do.
00:36:59
Cliff Kingsbury all he cares about his points points points will take him.
00:37:02
However, you could get him.
00:37:03
And they were kicking field goals like mother****ers.
00:37:05
Like they weren't even considering going for any of those four towns.
00:37:08
They were kicking field goals.
00:37:09
The Bills defense was bending, not breaking.
00:37:11
And even though we probably should have scored more touchdowns, we still got the one touchdown.
00:37:15
Which was the difference going in the half Being up, What? 16 Tau nine at the half.
00:37:20
16.
00:37:22
69? Yeah, so that was the difference.
00:37:23
Was the touchdown like we we scored the touchdown.
00:37:26
They kicked the field goals.
00:37:27
That was the difference in the first half.
00:37:29
And if it would have continued in the second half, we would have won the football game.
00:37:32
But they adjusted in the red zone.
00:37:34
They got Kyler Murray moving using his feet because they can't do **** in the red zone. Passing the ball.
00:37:41
They're not great.
00:37:42
Calamari is not a very good red zone quarterback throwing on and you know they scored. They score touchdown.
00:37:49
So but at the end of the day until the last second flukey play, we had given up 26 points.
00:37:54
The league's number one offense.
00:37:55
So it wasn't a terrible performance, but it wasn't a great performance.
00:37:59
Yeah, Bobby Cabbage stock.
00:38:01
Nice name. Their love.
00:38:03
You guys based in L.
00:38:04
A.
00:38:05
No, but home for the holidays was hoping for a win or loss of sun on Jason.
00:38:07
Yeah, we were just talking about right going into the bye.
00:38:09
Let's see what this does for him.
00:38:10
Uh, we're talking about beef.
00:38:12
It's embarrassing.
00:38:13
Let it fuel you.
00:38:14
Trey White, Jordan Porter.
00:38:16
Micah Hyde should be on a mission to put a highlight reel style plays the whole second half of the season to try to make the world forget how embarrassing that was for the three of them.
00:38:27
Yeah, especially cause there you could make the case that your three best defensive players, right? I mean, honestly, you could make that argument positives for me in the game from the defense of side of the ball.
00:38:39
Uh, Dane Jackson stepping in.
00:38:41
Um, I thought he played well, Obviously had this scare with the the injury, but it sounds like I mean, obviously he came back in the e.
00:38:51
I say let him start.
00:38:52
Eight tackles, six Solo.
00:38:54
I thought that Tehran Johnson there's much heat has he's been getting.
00:38:58
I thought he played a pretty good game.
00:39:00
2.
00:39:01
5 tackles for loss and a sack in this game.
00:39:03
He's been playing a little better recently, and it seems like Tremaine Edmunds is kind of still coming into his own.
00:39:10
Um, I thought he had, Ah, good game.
00:39:12
I wouldn't say it was as good as the game against Seattle, but a good game.
00:39:16
And, you know, a J.
00:39:18
Klein kind of settled into that sort of in between.
00:39:21
Like I was saying on the pre game like he was obviously not gonna have the same game against he had against Seattle, but he was better than he'd been.
00:39:28
He obviously, uh, you know, led the team in tackles.
00:39:31
He was making a lot of tackles.
00:39:33
Um, he was, you know, bringing guys down on first contact obviously had the Saca's well, let the teams tackles So defensively, um, pass defense, I thought was was pretty good.
00:39:48
Honestly, overall, I think two weeks in a row, solid football.
00:39:52
It's the Rushdie that keeps kind of coming back to haunt us now.
00:39:55
Obviously, the Cardinals came in as a top one of the top rushing offenses, in large part due to collar Murray.
00:40:01
But you give, uh, you know Kenyan Drake, averaging over six yards of carrying this game, had 100 yards on 16 carries.
00:40:08
You know, Murray adds another 61 on the ground of his own chase.
00:40:11
Edmunds averages seven yards of carry on only eight carries, so we give over 200 rushing yards to this team.
00:40:17
So the rusty is still an issue.
00:40:20
Um, but but ultimately, like the Bills defense again did enough to win this game.
00:40:26
And it was kind of like you said, like it was a blend.
00:40:29
I think of that.
00:40:30
Seattle in Kansas City game plan.
00:40:31
They were kind of letting them run, but they were a little more aggressive still in spots.
00:40:35
They weren't just sitting back and coverage all game.
00:40:37
So, uh, PVC fan with the super chat.
00:40:40
Thank you for that.
00:40:41
Zero a Z fan should be talking trash.
00:40:44
They got a flute player that we played for defense, and that's it's a 1% play breaking tables.
00:40:49
Bills talk with super chat as well, says McDermott, was asked in.
00:40:51
Morse will be their starting center before you said it will be a week to week decision.
00:40:55
Happy with? Yeah, we touched on Morris a little bit, but what do you think about that? That comment we didn't touch on him him saying it would be a week to week decision on qualifier.
00:41:05
We'll get back to your comment in a second.
00:41:06
I think it's bull****.
00:41:07
I don't think I don't think he believes a single word of what he's saying.
00:41:10
I think after the bye week, we're going to see Mitch Morse at center.
00:41:13
We're going to see Cody Ford at left guard.
00:41:15
We're going to see John Police on it, right guard and we're all gonna forget about the five minutes we got angry at something there in the press conference, why he had why he had to make this a story when there is no none.
00:41:24
I have no idea why I'm frustrated.
00:41:27
I think I mean I mean from that.
00:41:30
He's mad that we lost.
00:41:31
I mean, he's probably ****ed.
00:41:33
We lost.
00:41:34
Maybe he's trying to get these guys on the interior a little bit more angry, like maybe maybe that's why, like, maybe he thought Mitch Morris was being too soft, so he wanted John Feliciano.
00:41:43
But they're more aggressive at center.
00:41:45
Maybe he was trying to send a message.
00:41:46
I don't know why you have to send a message to your $10 million center.
00:41:49
No idea why.
00:41:50
No, no clue why.
00:41:51
But Koala Bear Khan says, need to force focus on the run and discipline for penalties.
00:41:57
True and like, we keep going back to that stretch.
00:41:59
In the third quarter where we went six Siri's just three and out, three and out, three and out, three and out, three and out and we turned the ball over twice.
00:42:05
In one.
00:42:06
Siris was just completely derailed by penalties.
00:42:10
If we would have gotten the ball moving running the ball, we could have sustained a couple of drives.
00:42:14
Uh, if we didn't get those pounds, maybe we could have sustained a drive somewhere in there, not turned the football over and not let Arizona go on a 17.
00:42:21
Nothing run when we were up, 23 to 9.
00:42:23
So right there with you quality air con.
00:42:26
If in the third quarter we had done those two things we're not talking about, we're not talking about DeAndre.
00:42:30
Hopkins is Hail Mary.
00:42:32
And there's some penalties you can recover from.
00:42:33
Run like, let's say you get a false start on first down becomes for 1st 15.
00:42:37
Okay, but the way the the way the penalties came in like the Dawson knocks block in the back.
00:42:43
The holding on the John Brown 24 yard reception on 3rd and 23 or whatever it was where he sacrificed his body.
00:42:52
He gave up his body for the team, and then it just comes back.
00:42:55
Like those air killers, those air killers and multiple penalties on the same Siris on the same set of downs like you're not going to recover from that.
00:43:03
So I got a bunch of Cardinals fans in the chat section.
00:43:07
Now Bill suck.
00:43:08
They beat you.
00:43:09
Just way, owned it.
00:43:11
There's nothing about its own it.
00:43:12
Like we said, Um, you know, good on the Cardinals for for winning that football game, it's, uh, you know every fan base gets to deserve having a play like that.
00:43:23
It just stings.
00:43:25
It really stings when that play happens against you on multiple occasions.
00:43:29
And we went back to a wide right Music City miracle that Hail Mary um last year, Dasan Watts and getting out of that sack and running for the first down the playoff game.
00:43:38
It seems like just way too many generational type of highlight reel plays.
00:43:43
It happened to the Buffalo Bills in a losing effort and stings just a little bit.
00:43:47
Eso we are a little salty here in tonight's there.
00:43:50
I mean, have we had any place like that? Like, generational type plays go our way in the last 15, 20 years.
00:43:56
I really can't do you forgot about Stevie Johnson.
00:43:59
Drop in the end zone against a count for ****.
00:44:02
Yeah.
00:44:03
Um, yeah.
00:44:06
Do we have a generational play? I know Don Beebe in a losing effort.
00:44:10
The Super Bowl knocking the ball out of Leon E.
00:44:14
Guess really, like if you think that that Adams returned.
00:44:18
But that's what we started that season with the 31.
00:44:21
Nothing victory.
00:44:22
Feeling like we're gonna go to the playoffs and ended that season with the 31 Nothing doing up a tree.
00:44:27
So I don't even know if the Sam Adams played the Drayton Florence pick.
00:44:30
Six.
00:44:31
Um, there's a bunch of things you could talk about, but the end.
00:44:33
At the end of the day, it's not enough.
00:44:35
Ah, playoff season.
00:44:37
It's not in a winning effort.
00:44:38
It's just like it's what the same.
00:44:41
Okay, well, I'll take the same Amazon because we're on the cover of Sports Illustrated was fun, but drink Florence on the cover of Sports Illustrated, I think.
00:44:47
How about being the Panthers with D.
00:44:49
J Kyle Orton? Sammy Watkins? I think that's what about what about White Jesus, Danny.
00:44:57
What? What about What about White Jesus Dan Carpenter making it like 59 yard field goal against the Lions when Sammy Watkins what I needed tonight.
00:45:06
What back? And let's talk about, uh, the flu B roll out against the JAG wires.
00:45:11
Oh, the comeback against Houston.
00:45:13
Where the hell were Yeah, but now that that was a playoff days, I'm talking like the last 15 20 years.
00:45:17
Have we had way? Go.
00:45:18
Look at that.
00:45:19
Look at that.
00:45:20
This is this.
00:45:21
This is what I needed tonight.
00:45:22
How Maney Bryant around the world that hit on Nate, Nate Clements hit on Brady.
00:45:26
That was That was pretty good that a woman could probably go in the other box.
00:45:31
Uh, LaShawn McCoy snow game. That was cool.
00:45:34
Uh, I just had one of my mind, and I lost it.
00:45:36
Oh, how many times did Brian Mormon throw a touchdown to Ryan? Denny like that was pretty cool.
00:45:40
That was against the Seahawks.
00:45:42
Do I believe it was nice? You know, of the Dallas game? I can't bring up with Dallas Roscoe's punt return against the Jags, where he, like, did like the 3 16 98 yarder from Fits to T O.
00:45:54
Oh, yeah.
00:45:55
So longest playing bills, History like that.
00:45:57
Look at that.
00:45:58
Look at this.
00:45:59
We're finding the good and the bad people will find it.
00:46:00
Good.
00:46:01
So this is Kyle Orton in general, I think Kyle Orton, like, literally put in a Lipper on the sidelines like that's just you can't top that.
00:46:10
How about bills highlight in the history of of football will ever top just like collard and packing the Lipper on this island.
00:46:17
How about the dueling 83 Charlie Evans touchdowns from JP and and and Peerless Price.
00:46:24
Making the game winning catch at the end of that game, that was That was pretty good.
00:46:28
So once said Kyle Williams, touchdown, That was cool.
00:46:30
Okay, Tyler Boyd.
00:46:33
Touchdown for the Bangles With not not for the Bills, but hey.
00:46:39
Ah, great play that went our way, right? The Petermann game.
00:46:46
Uh, he had, like, a really good second half against the Saints the week before that, I think, um, Josh Allen, Hurdle over.
00:46:55
Anthony Hurdle, Hurdle.
00:46:58
There you go.
00:46:59
Look at this. We're doing it.
00:47:00
People were doing it for trying.
00:47:01
Trying way.
00:47:04
Guess Elliott Spot on preseason.
00:47:08
Peter Moon.
00:47:09
Kelvin Benjamin.
00:47:10
Oh, thank you.
00:47:14
Oh, wait.
00:47:16
This is the therapy we were looking for tonight.
00:47:18
That's what we need.
00:47:20
The positivity of bills.
00:47:23
Mafia in the comments section.
00:47:24
We needed this tonight.
00:47:25
We really did.
00:47:26
Now am I going to go? Um, I gonna leave this show and feel Go back to feeling bad.
00:47:32
Probably a little bit.
00:47:33
Probably a little bit, but I'll feel a little better after all.
00:47:36
This was good.
00:47:37
This was good.
00:47:38
Uh, speaking of bad Corey Bohorquez, 12 yard punt man is that good? I think I could punch it for I know I confronted for every every for every home game Korbel work has likes to get in front of the media and go listen.
00:47:51
Buffalo is the toughest place to punt, like you just don't understand when those winds are swirling and the stadium, like, you know, being kind of underground and like the you just like you just don't know how to punt.
00:48:03
Buffalo Buffalo What did you need? The roof closed.
00:48:07
Corey Barker as I noticed the roof was open.
00:48:10
Did that affect your punting ability in any way, shape or form? Come on 12 12.
00:48:16
That's in golf.
00:48:17
What we call a chilly dipper, the old shank.
00:48:20
12 yards.
00:48:22
Yeah, 12 yards and yards.
00:48:24
That's one of those were, like the the ref, like goes on the sideline, and he just keeps walking and walking.
00:48:29
You almost expect him to go past where he punted from.
00:48:33
I mean, how about we held him to a field goal, though on alternate universe Corey Borquez punts, an absolute bomb or any other punter punts an absolute bomb to the two yard line pins and deep the bills get a pick six and the game is over from there.
00:48:46
So truly if you think about it because of what happens in an alternate universe, this game is 100%.
00:48:52
Corey Barker is his fault. 100%.
00:48:54
Exactly.
00:48:55
And, uh, leave boho and Zona tell him the plane leaves at a different time.
00:48:59
I don't want him in the same state, is me? No, no, everyone.
00:49:06
Yeah, that's true.
00:49:07
He would be there.
00:49:08
He would be near you. He compares you.
00:49:10
He can parachute off the plane over Kansas City or something like that.
00:49:15
Yeah.
00:49:16
A lot of people are mentioned. The molds catch over 13.
00:49:18
Uh, Yep.
00:49:20
That was a good one as well.
00:49:22
Eso man.
00:49:25
Uh, all right, so we talked about defense.
00:49:28
Now we're talking about bohorquez.
00:49:29
So special teams, you know, we'll talk about that a little bit.
00:49:32
I thought like, you know, like you said, Robert's bringing the ball out of the end zone a couple times.
00:49:36
Maybe shouldn't have, but, you know, he's trying to make a play for the team Bohorquez with Shank, obviously.
00:49:42
And then I think he had the other punt that just went clear through the end zone like he always does.
00:49:47
Um uh, hey.
00:49:49
Averaged 46 a half with a long 61 even with a 12 yarder.
00:49:53
So I mean, his other pumps were pretty good.
00:49:56
There was the one where he kind of outkicked the coverage.
00:49:58
And, uh, who was it, Um, was it Christian Kirk That brought it up the sideline? The right sideline, I think, for a 23 yarder.
00:50:05
But other the the other punt near the end of the game when we really needed it.
00:50:10
And Kirk fielded it, and our coverage unit was down there and tackle them at, like the one that was That was actually quite a big play on special teams.
00:50:16
So overall a mixed bag for the special teams, Right? Because obviously, Roberts, a couple crappy returns bohorquez with Shank.
00:50:23
But then you go to bass.
00:50:24
Obviously was good, kicking the ball place, kicking the ball, and then a couple good decent coverage plays, um, one on that punt and then on kickoff.
00:50:32
So a very mixed bag for special teams.
00:50:34
Overall, let's try to stay positive on special teams and just, like, be happy for Tyler Bass and think that like we really found a good kicker and I'm happy.
00:50:42
Look, you know, I'm happy we've got him here for the future.
00:50:45
Yeah, Thomas Burke, sit onto the charges.
00:50:47
And I'm honestly, I'm ready to go into the charges.
00:50:50
My notes Ready.
00:50:51
You're ready. Write. My notes are done.
00:50:53
My notes are finished.
00:50:54
So you guys in the comments section, if you have anything left about this game that you want to talk about, let's flush it out and let's have a conversation about it and we could get to it.
00:51:06
I don't think we can do calls today unless either Bobby or Pierre hit us up in the comments section and let us know they're the producers.
00:51:14
They're the ones who put the calls together.
00:51:16
We don't have access to the phone lines.
00:51:18
Eso unless they're there.
00:51:20
We can't do phone calls today.
00:51:21
We'll make it up to you on Thursday if we can't do it.
00:51:24
I promise you that.
00:51:25
But somebody mentioned I blame knocks more than boho bills.
00:51:29
Fan 1970.
00:51:30
A regular listener.
00:51:31
We always appreciate the comments.
00:51:32
He says I You know, I blame Dawson. Knocks more than dojo.
00:51:37
Art boho, boho dojo, Dojo.
00:51:40
Boho boho.
00:51:41
Alright, I think I just had a stroke, but I'm good now.
00:51:42
So Dawson knocks the conversation about Dawson knocks.
00:51:47
Listen for people saying they want him off the roster.
00:51:50
I think maybe it's time we start rethinking what we want to do with.
00:51:54
Dawson knocks the player.
00:51:55
Because maybe this offseason we considered transitioning him to more of a Reggie Gilliam role.
00:52:03
He could be a fullback.
00:52:04
He can be sort of a hybrid H back like he can.
00:52:08
He can sort of be that fourth tight end, the guy who can also play fullback, the guy who can play special teams, the guy that maybe you design one play for a game like transition them into that, um, more so than in every down tight end, like a Tyler crop.
00:52:25
So maybe instead of having our aspirations for Dawson knocks, be the next George Kittel or, you know, the next, um, you know Zach Ertz.
00:52:36
Maybe we just bring it down a notch to Maybe he'll be a good 3rd, 3rd title and hybrid Dine on Titan, who sticks on this team for a decade and always makes a play here, there and blocks really well, like maybe that can be sort of the role that Dawson knocks carves out here in Buffalo like I'm not really willing.
00:52:54
Thio put him on the practice squad like I think someone else commented earlier or cut him or kick him to the curb.
00:53:00
I'm not ready to do that because the guy clearly has potential.
00:53:04
He's a great athlete.
00:53:05
Hey has shown that he is a pretty good blocker as well.
00:53:09
Yes, there's a lot of things to be concerned about his game.
00:53:12
But, um, everyone says it's so anytime I agree.
00:53:16
If he's healthy, put him up on the roster.
00:53:18
Let's do it.
00:53:19
Lee Smith.
00:53:20
We want to talk about We want to talk.
00:53:21
About what? A biscuit.
00:53:25
Away from a tight end, Lee Smith looks like a freaking biscuit away from a left tackle.
00:53:31
That dude was like getting winded, going from going emotion on the left hand of the office of line to the right end.
00:53:38
I could see his beer gut from the from from the television.
00:53:42
Well, let me ask you this.
00:53:44
Well, let me ask you this, because Randy Hardman asked the question.
00:53:46
How important is the tight end? These often? So is it that We just don't have a tight end that we can really rely on to be an offensive weapon.
00:53:54
Or is it just that the tight end really isn't that important from ah, receiving standpoint in this offense? I don't think it's it's vital, like I don't think I don't think you need it.
00:54:05
I think it's It's nice tohave like if we're drafting in the twenties this year and, um, you know Kyle Pits or Brevin Jordan or Pat Friar mute there on the board and the Buffalo Bills are like in their other options, and they can't trade back and they feel like they can take it taken, taken, taken tight end in the first round.
00:54:24
If we want to add an elite tight end of this offense, I'm not opposed to it.
00:54:28
I'm not opposed, but I also don't think we need it.
00:54:31
I think we could resign Tyler Kroft.
00:54:33
I think we could bring Tommy Sweeney in.
00:54:35
I think you could transition.
00:54:36
Dawson knocks to a hybrid role and then maybe go out and try to find like another Tyler Kroft, mid tier free agent to pair with Tyler Kroft.
00:54:43
I don't think it's necessary.
00:54:45
I don't think it's necessary to have a new Alfa tight end to make this offense work.
00:54:51
But also, it wouldn't hurt to have one.
00:54:53
I mean, would never hurt.
00:54:55
Right? Uh, Troy says on Thanks for the super chat.
00:54:59
Troy.
00:55:00
What's your input? Employer knocking tray out? A lot of people have commented on this since the beginning of the show, so maybe we should talk about a little bit.
00:55:05
Ah, lot of people, you know, thinking that poorer maybe knock tray out of that play at the end to prevent it from from knocking the ball down.
00:55:14
But we're gonna play two players, can't.
00:55:18
Doesn't have eyes in the back of his head, like well, and there's three guys they're still like You would figure three against one like you still probably take your chances that the one is not going to catch it, right? So yeah, it kinda it was It was unfortunate, right? I mean, was unfortunate.
00:55:32
Like maybe trade does make the play of player doesn't knocking him, But you just don't know.
00:55:36
Here is a comment I wanted to make earlier, and I didn't make and thank you, Carl.
00:55:39
Your comments sort of brought it back into my mind, he says.
00:55:43
My offensive started the game called busy.
00:55:45
My defense started the game like I hide.
00:55:47
I'm gonna ignore the defense of part of your question for now, even though, like I did have a good game and that's the cold, easy part.
00:55:52
Kobe's had 11 catches.
00:55:54
Mhm. Stefon Diggs had 10 catches.
00:55:56
Is our offense becoming too dependent on those two? Are they becoming too dependent on Cole Beasley and Stefon Diggs? Is that what maybe is maybe holding offense back a little bit because we're just too dependent on these two guys? A little game.
00:56:08
We spread the ball out.
00:56:09
We scored a lot this game.
00:56:11
We focused on two guys and we weren't as effective.
00:56:15
I e don't necessarily think so because there were a couple of games.
00:56:20
There are a couple of games before this one, and I know you know, I know Cole Beasley had a great game here, but there were a couple of games before this one.
00:56:27
I believe we're Cole Beasley.
00:56:28
Really? Didn't you know? Didn't have huge stat line? So I think, um, no, I don't think it is.
00:56:34
I mean, Okay, So, Cole Beasley, I'm looking at his stats of the last.
00:56:37
He had 11 for 109 this game, but the two games before this, three for 39 in Seattle and two for 24 against New England.
00:56:45
I know he didn't run the we didn't pass the ball much against New England, but you know he's had a couple of games like that this year.
00:56:52
Three for 32 2 for 24 3 for 39.
00:56:55
But then he blows up in these, you know, these games where he's at 11 for 1 12 against the Jets or 11 for one of nine against Cardinals.
00:57:01
I don't know.
00:57:02
I don't think I don't think it.
00:57:03
We are too reliant on those two because we've been getting when on the field and contributing.
00:57:08
We've been getting steady contributions from John Brown when he's on the field.
00:57:11
We've been getting steady contributions outside of this game from Gabriel Davis.
00:57:15
So I think those four you know, when you have all those four guys and they're all healthy, then I I think it it makes it easier on the bills like they don't have to rely on Digs in and Beasley that much in digs honestly had like a little bit of a quiet stretching the game yesterday to even, but he still ended up with his catches in his yard.
00:57:34
So I'll say no as the short answer to that, because with John Brown and Gabriel Davis in the mix, I don't think we're necessarily too heavy now.
00:57:43
What I will say is, if you lose one of those guys, it will affect obviously, uh, the offensive lot.
00:57:51
So, like those guys bring like a knock on effect to the others, right? Having a Cole Beasley having a digs puts less pressure on Davis puts less pressure, less pressure on Brown and freeze them up to do more.
00:58:01
So I think they're vitally important.
00:58:04
But I don't think from a receptions and yardage and that type of standpoint that it's it's too reliant on them.
00:58:10
I would say No, Rico, he's super Chatto, saying we missed his message.
00:58:15
So I I spent some time scrolling back and I got to Rico went off.
00:58:19
If you haven't had a chance to watch or listen to the RICO report, you can catch the RICO report audio over on the Buffalo Fanatics Podcast Network.
00:58:26
You can catch the video right here on YouTube, right back in the playlist behind where our podcast will be for our podcast or Big Guest will be.
00:58:34
But he says, Can Dawson knock it off? Recover from his uninspiring play.
00:58:40
He's a triple you uninspiring, unsatisfactory, unacceptable.
00:58:45
David Steve.
00:58:46
Three words to describe dolls and knocks.
00:58:48
Okay, I'm done a a rico, we go.
00:58:53
He got a lot of support on Twitter, and I'm from the show on.
00:58:57
You know, people are.
00:58:58
People are starting to kind of turn on Knox a little bit.
00:59:00
And here's my thing with Knox.
00:59:05
I'll hear my three words.
00:59:07
Um uh, let me think Here.
00:59:12
Three words, um, unproductive.
00:59:16
I guess that's another you.
00:59:17
I don't know if that was I don't think Rico put unproductive Aziz one of his use liability.
00:59:24
And I say that from both the receiving and a blocking standpoint, given the penalties and the propensity for drops and I'll say, uh, young, right? I mean, he's still learning.
00:59:36
He's still got talent.
00:59:38
He's still raw.
00:59:39
Andi is young, right? I mean, is it his fault? The bills air putting him in this position know because that we've seen young players succeed, and we've seen young players obviously come right into the league tight ends, obviously one of those positions that's known to be the one of the toughest to transition to in the NFL.
00:59:56
Look at TJ Hawkinson from year one to year two.
00:59:58
Last year had, like one really big game to begin.
01:00:01
The season kind of lived off that all year, but really didn't do a whole lot this year in Year two.
01:00:05
He's kind of flourishing.
01:00:06
He's been very steady this year, so you know, knocks.
01:00:10
Maybe that takes him a little, like another year or two longer because of his, you know, lack of experience from college.
01:00:15
So, um, tight end knowing that I'll get I'm willing to give him more chances.
01:00:20
But I will say he's been, you know, unreliable and a liability.
01:00:26
A za main.
01:00:27
Two words there.
01:00:28
Here's what I'll say overused.
01:00:30
I only I only need two words.
01:00:31
I don't need three overused, underdeveloped like Why is it that Sean McDermott seems like he can wait forever on some of these rookies like, you know, Dane Jackson, Levi Wallace A.
01:00:44
J.
01:00:45
Vanessa like he can be as patient as as can be Matt Milano a couple like a couple years ago.
01:00:49
He can be as patient as can be with some of these guys, and he can make them inactive every week forever.
01:00:54
And he could do all these things and he can slowly develop them and and build the process into them.
01:00:59
But he feels the need to rush off the Knox under the field every week.
01:01:03
Overuse, underdeveloped like that's like the old.
01:01:06
That's like the old slogan used at work over, Over Under promise Over.
01:01:11
Deliver right to tell someone you're going to get him something by Friday and you get it to him by Thursday.
01:01:17
It's a classic quality air Con comes into super showers appreciator, super shares, he says.
01:01:21
With the weekend performing the Super Bowl halftime show and the Bills get to the Super Bowl so I can die happy.
01:01:27
Every position is important on each side.
01:01:29
The ball knocks.
01:01:30
Got to step it up soon.
01:01:31
I agree.
01:01:32
You know it.
01:01:33
Z 1/11 Ondas Faras the weekend there as far as the weekend goes, listen, um, that blinding light song that they played on the ESPN promo for the Bills Texans playoff game last year that song.
01:01:46
Ah, some slaps, Man This song Baaps I love the Ticktock song Big tick Tock song Is it a big tick tock song? Tick? I'm not I'm not keen on the tick, tick talking or the tick tacking.
01:01:59
But that song sound pretty pretty dope to me.
01:02:05
I'm like this Steve Buscemi mean right now just walking on the skateboard.
01:02:09
Uh, but, uh, yeah, it should be interesting.
01:02:12
Hopefully the Buffalo Bills we But where is it? In Tampa Bay? Tampa Bay? Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay? They said that someone made of a good comment on Twitter like, wouldn't it be so Hollywood if Jamis Winston takes the Saints to the Super Bowl and then wins wins against, like Brady in Tampa Bay against his old team? Oh, I guess he wouldn't play the Tampa Bay.
01:02:34
But maybe, you know, James gets the super Will that be pretty? Someone Dresden, Dresden, Latin, Non last name says I'm not a troll.
01:02:44
I got a time out for absolutely no reason.
01:02:47
I'll tell you right now, whoever did it, I don't know.
01:02:50
But my policy is unless you're spam.
01:02:51
I usually don't block you, so I know who did.
01:02:53
It wasn't me, I'll tell you that.
01:02:55
I haven't done anything.
01:02:56
Somebody off one of my so welcome back, uh, enjoy the last five minutes or so.
01:03:03
But yeah, it's ah, who? Alright, guys, chat section Anything else for us before we head on out of here to watch what Vikings And there's there's garbage.
01:03:20
I mean, if you like, if you're still stinging a little bit, it's not, like, necessarily a game.
01:03:24
You must watch.
01:03:25
So, you know, like I said before, we came on and go watch like a Hallmark movie with the wife.
01:03:29
Get yourself away from football thing.
01:03:32
This is us is on tomorrow night.
01:03:33
Man were a bank. This is us household.
01:03:35
Yeah, I like.
01:03:37
I'll say it. I put my Christmas tree up yesterday.
01:03:39
Do we put our Christmas tree up two weeks ago? E actually like like, all upset.
01:03:45
She was all upset because of the pandemic and just it's It's been a rough like I usually go.
01:03:51
Go ahead, go ahead.
01:03:52
I used to go home for the holidays.
01:03:54
I'm not going home.
01:03:55
Everyone's just feeling sad is ****.
01:03:57
So we put the Christmas tree up like trip like a week and a half ago.
01:04:01
I like it makes me happy, man.
01:04:04
It makes me happy.
01:04:05
Buffalo Mafia news has been clamoring for this comment.
01:04:08
Talking about Vanessa getting hurt, celebrating, celebrating.
01:04:11
I didn't.
01:04:12
I was I believe so.
01:04:13
I believe so. He had one tackle.
01:04:15
It was the nice one.
01:04:16
And then he got hurt and was out.
01:04:18
I think he's going to be OK after my week, but I was ****ed drunk during that game.
01:04:22
I remember very little of it, E remember.
01:04:26
But I was I was pretty blitzed during that kid e I had the well, I went to Trader Joe's and I got a big cans of, uh, big cans of the church music I p a ripped through like you just got done saying how you weren't drinking as many beers because you went to the doctor.
01:04:49
Was that today that you know? But that's probably why I got so because your tolerance is lower all this way, e can't hold my bear away.
01:04:59
That's a lie I need It was way, but we're not gonna talk about that.
01:05:03
I want you just fat shame me every day in the comments section until I lose the amount of weight that I need. Thio.
01:05:08
Um All right.
01:05:09
So, ladies and gents, anything little for us before we go.
01:05:13
Any comments? Thoughts on Singletary.
01:05:16
I like that one from from Astro.
01:05:17
55. Thoughts on Devin Singletary.
01:05:19
Yeah.
01:05:20
Here's what to say.
01:05:21
It's not the running backs fault.
01:05:22
I really don't think it's the running backs ball.
01:05:23
There was a ton of people who are on the lady in Bel Train, and I get it like he's a decent player.
01:05:27
And Jordan Howard got cut today, and I haven't seen anyone proposed that we signed Jordan Howard.
01:05:32
But don't It's not the running backs fault.
01:05:34
Zach Moss is a good running back.
01:05:35
Devin Singletary is a good running back.
01:05:36
T J Yeldon is a good running back.
01:05:39
Yeah, you're not blocking for him.
01:05:41
Uh, Andrea Baker, That, um I'll tell you what, Um oh, here's a good question for you.
01:05:52
Chase lights are blinking lights for you on your tree, blinking.
01:05:57
I go solid.
01:05:58
I don't do any blinking or chase.
01:05:59
We went last always thinking this year, but here's my issue with Baker, okay? Like and what he was accused of with some messed up stuff like some really hardcore stuff.
01:06:12
And the charges were dropped because the lawyer was extorting him.
01:06:18
So does that mean that he didn't do it? Or does that mean he did it? But he's getting off. Yeah.
01:06:24
Is it like, a legal reason he's getting like, actually, Yeah, like if he did it and you just got away with it? I don't know.
01:06:35
But DeAndre Baker was my CB one in that draft.
01:06:38
Hey, was my favorite corner in that draft.
01:06:40
I really was a big fan of him.
01:06:42
I was.
01:06:43
I was shocked, shocked at how he flamed out there in New York so quickly.
01:06:49
I really like that draft that they had outside of Dale Jones because Donald Jones is a career back up.
01:06:53
Um extra Lawrence.
01:06:57
Great pick up.
01:06:58
Look at the Giants interior.
01:06:59
That defensive line with Delvin and Williams and Dexter Lawrence.
01:07:03
Hey, if you invest in some big fatties, good things come Thio Defense has played pretty well this year.
01:07:08
Honestly, good things when you invest in big fat guys like their problem has, they haven't been ableto hold onto the ball like that.
01:07:15
Defense is actually pretty good.
01:07:16
And, like, honestly, they they could win that division.
01:07:20
They could.
01:07:21
The Giants could win that division.
01:07:23
Honestly, I mean, obviously, anybody can at this point, considering how bad it is.
01:07:27
But hey, beat the Eagles yesterday.
01:07:29
Um, so you know, that division is up for grabs? Um, anyone else Got anything? Do you think we're gonna have a mini rebuilt? We will not fat shame, Steve.
01:07:40
We were encouraged him and be there for a glutton for punishment.
01:07:45
He's a glutton for punishment.
01:07:47
So, um oh, my God.
01:07:51
So one person had a question.
01:07:53
Do you think we're gonna have a mini rebuild this offseason cap situation given the captain? Well, maybe it's like, Is it a mini? Is it a mini sell off? I mean, yeah, I think we could see.
01:08:05
I mean, I don't think burning Butler's back.
01:08:07
I think you could see Jerry Hughes go.
01:08:08
There's a pretty decent cap.
01:08:10
There's a pretty decent car production for letting Jerry Hughes go, so you might have to double.
01:08:14
You might have to double down on Mario Addison.
01:08:17
Josh Norman in Jackson, Dean Jackson.
01:08:20
Mhm giving you some quick hitters outside that Oliver's performance, I think, make Geary said it best, um, in one of his tweets, he said.
01:08:29
He's a good football player, but I was expecting great mhm to me.
01:08:33
I think that's what it waas like.
01:08:34
I'm not saying I was expecting Aaron Donald, but I was expecting, like, high impact football player and maybe that will come.
01:08:41
Maybe that will come.
01:08:42
But right now he's just a good football player.
01:08:44
Eyes it possible.
01:08:46
Is it young like possible that two years in a row? It just happened to me that the the best player on the board felt the Bills with Oliver and EPA Nesa and it just they just had felt like they had to take him.
01:08:59
And it just it may turn out that they're just kind of like good players.
01:09:03
Yeah, but I mean, they're good.
01:09:05
They're gonna be good place.
01:09:06
I still Vanessa's still freaking me out.
01:09:09
He looks nothing like he looked in college.
01:09:11
Someone tell me that dude shedding £25.
01:09:14
Ah, he looks like a tall He looks like a like a skinny tight end to me like it's weird e losing my mind.
01:09:23
No, he's like a He's like a tall A J.
01:09:25
Klein is what he looks like.
01:09:27
Like This dude was literally huge in college, actually, way more than 6 ft 6 £280 left hand in college.
01:09:37
And he and, uh, and and he looks like he's 6622 50. Dude.
01:09:44
Looks like he lost £30 to answer the questions in the chat.
01:09:47
What happened up? And I said he fell down celebrating when he made it, uh, got a concussion.
01:09:53
He was out for the rest of the game.
01:09:54
Uh, yeah.
01:09:55
Daniel says trend.
01:09:56
Murphy's contracts fires of this season, so that will be a relief.
01:09:59
A cap relief, obviously.
01:10:01
Um, you know, in Seki expires after this season as well.
01:10:06
You gotta replace it.
01:10:07
You need a event.
01:10:09
You need to swing back like that. Cost money.
01:10:12
Yeah.
01:10:13
Um, so you have to draft those guys.
01:10:14
So, uh, I think we have that $5 million cap hit for a J. Klein next year.
01:10:19
Yeah. Really hard.
01:10:20
Yeah, It happens all the time.
01:10:23
Ferrell in Las Vegas has the same stance is over, but also the same time.
01:10:27
Sometimes it just takes players a little while.
01:10:28
Like look, Dan Dan Williams, who went from the Jets.
01:10:31
The giants sometimes It just takes a while for to click with some of these players.
01:10:34
So, um yeah, Leonard one Dan Williams.
01:10:38
But I just They're to me.
01:10:43
I'm not willing to say, like, I'm not willing to make something about at Oliver's career.
01:10:50
20 games like 25 games in Like I just I'm not ready to do it.
01:10:54
Like talk to me at the end of his rookie contract.
01:10:57
Just like I'm I tell people the time.
01:10:59
Talk to me. Talk to me next year.
01:11:01
Talk to me next year, this time about turning lemons like when terrain Emmons was going through that slide and people were talking about making an outside linebacker and they're freaking the F out.
01:11:09
I really said, Talk to me next year. I don't give a ****.
01:11:12
He's only 20 to figure it out, we'll figure it out.
01:11:15
And if he doesn't, he's just a really good outside linebacker.
01:11:17
But, like, I was like, I'm not losing sleep over it.
01:11:19
You should need uh, Rico makes a comment that I hit on earlier 217 Russian with Cardinals soak on that six yards for Russia Chase Edmunds was at seven yards like brush Kenyan Drake over six per carry to 17 on the ground for the Cardinals.
01:11:32
I mentioned that the Pastie was largely pretty good, but I mean again, Team didn't really have Cardinals don't have to pass that much.
01:11:39
But when they did have to pass down in the red zone in the tight area, that bills for the most part held up other than the college Marie Russian T's.
01:11:46
But yeah, the to 17 on the ground is a concern, especially, Yeah, I mean, it probably was.
01:11:54
It probably was.
01:11:55
I mean, they would have had better if they would have had, like, bigger horses down the middle of that defense.
01:12:01
They probably have had more success, and it wouldn't That is bad.
01:12:04
But, yeah, we wanted It wasn't e guess.
01:12:06
It was an improvement over the chief's game.
01:12:08
If we do, I'm convinced that Harrison Phillips was hurt like that.
01:12:13
He's just not back from that a c L.
01:12:14
Because, you know, most film guys said through Harrison Phillips, first, whatever.
01:12:20
Like he was okay.
01:12:21
Like whatever he was an average player. Whatever.
01:12:23
Rotational defensive tackle, blah blah, blah.
01:12:24
And then, like the first two games last year, everyone was like Harrison Phillips has arrived than what happens.
01:12:30
The dude terraces HBO and he's out.
01:12:33
And he comes back this year and he's thrown right into the defensive tackle.
01:12:37
You know, Fray.
01:12:38
He could star Lotulelei out, and he's just slow to get back.
01:12:42
So part of me thinks that maybe, you know, hair.
01:12:46
Harrison Phillips, the Bills.
01:12:48
They're just buying their time until the offseason on.
01:12:50
They just want to get his body right.
01:12:51
And you know next year will be will be the will be the making or breaking year for Harrison Phillips.
01:12:59
Like something just tells me that there's something ain't right with that dude.
01:13:01
Like, there's no other reason why he would be inactive for Justin Zimmer, who played, like 27% of stars.
01:13:09
Yeah, or Mitch Morse.
01:13:11
Who, uh, Tim play.
01:13:13
Unless it was an emergency.
01:13:15
Uh, anyway, so therapy was good tonight, man.
01:13:21
Uh, going over those, uh, old good place made me feel a little better.
01:13:26
I feel cleansed.
01:13:27
Anyone's got any more big, big time bills plays in the in the hamper.
01:13:33
Let us know where Cem Cem memorable bills plays of the last 15 20 years.
01:13:37
Some DeAndre Hopkins Hail Mary.
01:13:39
Where? The place? Well, I don't know about that.
01:13:41
But Stevie Johnson's three touchdown game against the Bengals stands out.
01:13:45
That was a nice one.
01:13:47
Um, I mentioned that Lee Evans to 83 yarders against the Texans.
01:13:51
That was pretty good.
01:13:52
Um, I mean beast mode.
01:13:55
Scoring a touchdown in his first game as a rookie against the Broncos was the Boston Buffalo.
01:14:01
Uh huh.
01:14:02
There you go.
01:14:03
There's a guy who developed over time Marshawn Lynch.
01:14:05
Where was that when he was in Buffalo? I mean, way got the Sam Adams pick six.
01:14:10
Alright, I'm just I'm racking my brain, man.
01:14:14
Uh, that's what someone says.
01:14:17
Phillips is not even close, doubling the surgery.
01:14:19
Come on, give me your That's what That's what I'm saying.
01:14:20
So what I'm saying? All right, So, um all right, ladies and gentlemen, I think that will just about do it again.
01:14:28
Apologies for not having the phone lines up and activated as we are trying to do every Monday.
01:14:33
We did that last week.
01:14:35
We will get it rolling.
01:14:36
Maybe Thursday.
01:14:37
Well, Thursday Since we don't have a preview this week, we'll do the We'll do the Collins Thursday.
01:14:42
I'm trying to get a special guest for Thursday.
01:14:44
But if we get said Special Guest, we might have to push our show back to nine.
01:14:48
Because the man is gonna work on that is Mr Kevin Garrard.
01:14:52
Talk about the Miami Dolphins.
01:14:54
So he's been insufferable lately in the chair.
01:14:58
I love Kev.
01:14:59
He's the man.
01:15:00
Like a man is a lightning rod.
01:15:02
He brings ratings, he brings the ratings, man, I'm telling you, he could be, although I'm sure tow us.
01:15:09
Or to him, we are insufferable, too.
01:15:11
So, like Pierre is probably so insufferable to Kevin, just like Kevin's to Pierre.
01:15:16
So it's really funny.
01:15:18
But I love Kev.
01:15:19
He's a great guy, and he'd be fun to have on the show, so that'd be That'd be great.
01:15:23
Alright, So, ladies and gentlemen, until next time that'll do it for us, I will actually be back tomorrow night.
01:15:31
Special version of the Rico report will be me, Joe Miller, Wired and Clay TROIA.
01:15:36
So we'll be back at it tomorrow night to talk Buffalo bills in place of Rico.
01:15:42
On Wednesday, you'll have your Humpty hotline with special guest Bruce Nolan and Joe Marino.
01:15:46
So big week here above all, fanatics, we take no vacations even when the bills are taking vacations.
01:15:52
So until next time, ladies and gentlemen, go bills, go bills.
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00:00:01
e e.
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I wish I could say something that was classy and inspirational.
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E That just wouldn't be our son.
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Pain heals.
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Chicks dig scars.
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Glory lithe.
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Thank that volume in a in todo number on ball Believable.
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Unbelievable.
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That's all I have to say to start off the show.
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My name is Steve Mathis.
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You confined me as always on Twitter at Judge Mathis and I'm joined, as always by my co host, Dave Tilton.
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Together you could find him on Twitter at some money together we are the Bills, guys.
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And that song was playing in my head that in Hello, darkness Those were the two songs Simon and Garfunkel in R E M uh, in in my head last night, It was it was rough.
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And, you know, I was telling you before we got it wasn't that we lost.
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It was the way that we lost.
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It was the way that we lost.
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And if if I remember correctly on the pregame, you know, you said something to the effect of I'm not going to get on the roller coaster this'll week, regardless of what happens and sure enough, this game was was exactly that it was a roller coaster.
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We got the big got out to the to score lead.
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Arizona comes all the way back.
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You know, it's looking bleak for us.
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We get the the big stop on Kyler Murray deep in their own zone.
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We go up, we get what we take the lead and then freak plays Man will go down is probably one of the top plays in.
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And, you know, when they show the top 100 plays in NFL history, it's probably gonna make the list.
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Unfortunately for the Bills and, uh, to be on the wrong side of that, it really hurts.
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Like you said, how we lost is definitely worse than just had, you know, And we lost, you know, just like I was saying before we went on for down 26 23.
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We never really come back.
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Let's say, like, Have we lost that way? Would not have been this painful.
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Yeah, I mean, we scored 30 points, you know, we were gonna win.
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We had the lead with, what, 2034 seconds.
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34 34.
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It's not an absolute flute.
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I mean, you can't expect the offense to be perfect every drive.
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Um, you know, they only gave up 30 points.
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I mean, there's plenty of things that we gotta flush out, but this things and and we lost.
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And what's things is we lost in a very ability fashion all week.
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The talk was Skyler Skyler Tyler with the national media, and all the pundits were picking the cards to win, except for maybe Kurt Warner and Matt Hasselbeck.
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So the talk all week with Cardinals, Cardinals, Cardinals, Kyler, Murray, Kyler, Murray, Kyler, Murray that prick over at ESPN, Ryan Clark was running his mouth about Josh Allen all week.
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You know I wasn't gonna let that one go.
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And what does Josh Allen do? Does he have a perfect game? No, by all means, he did not.
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But he leads a game winning drive and throws an absolute beauty to step on.
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Digs.
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Ah, highlight that we as Bills fans, we're going to see plastered all over football night in America.
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Good morning football.
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We were gonna be able to rub it in people's faces that we that we won this game.
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We were going to be able to rub it in Ryan Clark's face that we won this game, and instead the roles were reversed.
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And it's the same old bills of the national pundits.
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Get the last joke and it's DeAndre Hopkins splattered all over football night in America and Good morning football.
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It's just you could you couldn't escape this game today.
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You couldn't escape it.
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Uh, what I did? Well, first, let's let me just also, since misery loves company, right? We've had a therapy session earlier in the season, but this one, this one digs a little deeper, right? And so let's talk.
00:05:51
Let's shout out of the people who are joining us for this therapy session tonight.
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Dave Allen is in the house we had, you know, noisy boy and I were having a conversation in the chat before the show. You went live.
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He's in the house.
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Um, you know a lot of that back and forth happening.
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Heather Hathaway's in Tommy Roads F the Jets, Billy Stevens, Buffalo Mafia News.
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Elliott's in the House, Bill's guys and Richard Rush.
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Um, Richard Forbes.
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Um, Andrew Miller's in the house tonight.
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There's like the comments are just like flying right now.
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So, like if I missed anyone, I apologize.
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But man Dave's Dave with Super chat to start out the show here, says coaching costs I should have brought pressure play prevent with 34 seconds.
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Must be a record going for the field for a TV.
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And I think that I mean, the bills did bring the bills had I mean, Mario Addison.
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If you look at that last play he had, he had pressure, and I think it wasn't necessarily that we were.
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I think to me it was we were playing.
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In my opinion, we were playing too much of a normal sort of soft defense, and we were playing against guarding the touchdown.
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It was weird.
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I, in watching that replay, thought we were doing a really good job guarding the touchdown.
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DeAndre Hopkins was the decoy on that play.
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They wanted DeAndre Hopkins to go deep to sort of draw everyone away from the other receivers, and it looked like Kyler Murray wanted to dump it like the plague.
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What's for Kyler Murray to dump it down and for him, toe, get closer to the end zone.
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I don't think that they were ready to helm area at that point.
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Like literally DeAndre Hopkins was bracketed by four guys.
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And at the end of the day, I don't think it's coaching because, therefore got three guys there to bat the ball down.
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At the end of the day, they just as players chose going for an interception mawr than knocking the ball down.
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So the players got a little bit of selfish there.
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That that's a comment that we That's something we could have a conversation about today because between trade going for that pick and a couple of people said, Andre Roberts went against coaches orders and took a couple kicks out of the end zone this week, where the Buffalo Bills get a little full Selves where they get a little too confident, a little too ****y, you know, heading into the desert this week because it seems like they made a couple of maybe me first plays that would have cost of them.
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It's possible.
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I mean, Andre Roberts got tackled, I think, inside the 15, twice at least once.
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Um, Scott Regular super chatter bars bringing this comment.
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I don't know what freaking happen in the first quarter.
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We were dominating but came out in the second half is just like we gave up one drive really got me was the delay of game.
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And then, um, you know, to offsetting penalty.
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Yeah, there was the one, Dr obviously, where we had the four penalties on the same drive.
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Um, and it's been well do***ented that the third quarter has been a struggle for the Bills, even dating back to last year.
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So that's e mean, as much as we would like to say that, you know, it sucks, but it's really not a surprise.
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It's a trend now.
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The Bills are not a good third quarter team on bond.
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To be honest with you, they haven't really fixed it at all, so we'll get into that.
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But here's a statistic that we're gonna break down at length on the show today.
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Naked from WG are posted this stat on Twitter.
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In the third quarter, after the Beazley touchdown, we go up 23 to 9 23 to 9.
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We go up and in the ensuing what 12345 drives.
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This is what we do in the ensuing five drives.
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Three place, six yard, 12 yard punt, three place, 14 yards interception, six place, five yards punt, four place eight yards punt that included four penalties, one play, zero yards interception.
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That's what we did after we went up 23 to 9.
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So if we want to talk about where we really lost his football game, we lost it right there in the third quarter when it took us six drives to adjust for what Vance Joseph came at the Bills with after that touchdown to cope easily, I agree.
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I mean, this is like right into that calm those drives you were mentioning, Brooke McBride says, We need to work on the second half performance.
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This is a fluke play.
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When we return the yeah, I mean, look, I mean, I think obviously, well, it's obvious we would be a lot more upbeat how we won the game.
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But we would still have some some criticism here of the second half performance, obviously.
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But yeah, it was a fluke play.
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I get it.
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Those five drives you just mentioned were abysmal.
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Um, the running game was non existent, Robert Milligan says.
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We didn't lose it.
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They want it. I agree with that.
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I think that's fair.
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I think that's a fair assessment.
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After the Cole Beasley touchdown if you're getting out coached by bands. Joseph.
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That's a problem.
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Like I spent a good chunk of the pregame show and I spent a good chunk of our preview show making fun advanced Joseph, because I really think he is that bad of a coach.
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So when you're Brian Table and your Josh Allen to Josh, Allen is not devoid of blame here when it takes you six drives after Colby Z scores to score again, someone said, Well, they scored 17 unanswered points.
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17 points given up by your defense in the second half isn't that brutal if you just score once once in that series of play.
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And again, of course, and we're talking about that.
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They were the number one offense, not the number one scoring offense, but the number one yardage offense in the NFL.
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So, like you were doing a decent job there and you obviously got those those turnovers.
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Um, Scott wants, you know, brings up another point.
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On the last play, they had three chances of sat Kyler.
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Murray.
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Yeah, I mean, Addison, we talked.
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I talked about that a little bit ago.
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He just he had him, right? He he just again.
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Fate he fell fell for the inside move instead of just keeping, you know, keeping contained.
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If he would have kept Kyler Murray in the pocket, Heiler Murray would have had to throw the ball to the other side of the field.
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It would have been it would have been a wide open Larry Fitzgerald or a wide open Christian Kirk, but they would have been pushed out of bounds.
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And Arizona would have got another play with, you know, 10 or so seconds left.
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So Arizona still would have been alive.
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Don't get me wrong, but if Mario Addison hadn't, um, Don't did what he did and hadn't gone, you know, diving at Kyler, Murray Kyler Murray would not have been flushed to that side of the field, and that's not where he would have thrown.
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You just got to stay in front of him at that point.
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Don't leave your feet right. Don't leave your feet.
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Just stay in front of them.
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Keep forcing him back inside.
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If, like if that's the case, like you said, he's like they may get another play, but he doesn't get that throw off land e.
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I think I'll take the blame.
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You know, I've been, uh I went to the doctor and I got a physical on.
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I did like the number on the scale.
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So I've been scaling back on my beers, so my beer selection was not great.
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Eso I just have to do a better job having better beers on hand.
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Eso I have things to chug during a pregame.
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So you know what, Lance? Uh, it is my fault.
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I took full blame.
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You're right.
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This is This is my fault.
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Um, don't blame challenge.
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Don't blame Shami Thurman.
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Don't blame Brian Day.
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Well, this is all on me, guys.
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I was too confident.
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I was too ****y was flaunting on the pregame show.
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I believe I predict Josh on that. There were 500 yards.
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So, um, that one's on me.
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Guys, this one's on me.
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This was on the, uh that's a sign of a good.
00:13:01
That's a sign of a good leader.
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Selfless guy falling on the sword for the team.
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Pretty selfless act on your part.
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Thio fall on that sword, So yeah, I mean, look, um that that last play is gonna get dissected every which way when they all 22 comes out and that's going to get I don't know if it's out yet.
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I checked this morning.
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It wasn't, But it's gonna get dissected every which way.
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I think, um, what's going to be kind of nice for me, I guess is that because it's a by week coming up this weekend like I might just avoid avoid watching some football might just get away.
00:13:35
You do something fun, just get away and come back ready, E o I'm going to and someone brings up, like, if we're not careful, the dolphins are gonna be close.
00:13:47
I think we have the easier schedule, the to, um I think that, uh you know, to has had to have, like, a rough start versus the Rams.
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Like he threw for what, like 90 something yards, you know, they dominated on special teams and defense.
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Then he sort of warmed up a little bit against the Cardinals and the Chargers.
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But, you know, we we see it with every rookie quarterback, like they hit a wall like teams are gonna figure out to, uh and then it's gonna take to, ah, couple weeks, possibly the rest of the season to figure it out once.
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The defense is a just so I Yes, the Miami Dolphins air on a heater.
00:14:20
Andi.
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Yes, they have a very similar scheduled to the Buffalo Bills, and we meet them in Week 17.
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But I need to see, like 23 more weeks of to, uh, before I feel too concerned about the Miami Dolphins because Robert Milligan said it.
00:14:32
Yes, it's a common opponent, so it's rough.
00:14:35
But it wasn't a divisional game, you know.
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It was not a divisional game against the Cardinals.
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It might bring us closer as a team.
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It might be a good little, you know, shot in the chin toe.
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Wake us up and get us focus heading into that by week.
00:14:48
So maybe we'll look into that back at this is sort of a blessing in disguise.
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But you know, it is, Ah, it just again, just going back to the top of the show.
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It's not that we lost.
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It's how we lost.
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It's just I'm just sick of losing that way.
00:15:04
As a Bills fan, I'm sick of being on the losing end of those, uh, those generational place.
00:15:11
Well, that's the thing, right? Like we've had some place where we're using, like, uh, Leo's McKelvin fumble The Dallas Monday nighter with the recovery.
00:15:22
Yeah, I mean, speaking of which, this is This is the worst I've felt since that Houston game.
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And obviously we've only played games where we've lost twice since then, right? The Chiefs in the Titans game and that, like what I would do to feel not as like, to feel as bad as I did for those two games because compared to have bad, I feel now because honestly, it reminds.
00:15:47
It reminds me of how I felt after that Texan scheme, which was just deflated thinking like Man, we had that game.
00:15:55
But, you know, the main difference, I think, is that that Texans game was kind of like a gradual.
00:16:00
They kind of took it back from us.
00:16:02
And then one of the end where this was like we had it and it was it was one play, and just like that, it was wiped out.
00:16:08
So, man, man, it was painful.
00:16:11
Yeah, let's let's go to the offense.
00:16:13
Now let's talk about the offense.
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Let's change the tone from negative, and let's try to find some positives in the offense.
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I think the positives, the positives that I have down are.
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They scored 30 points, like at the end of the day, they scored 30 points.
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It's a lot of points.
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The National Football League.
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So they scored 30 points.
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Cole, Beasley and stuff on digs continue to dominate 11 catches and 10 tech catches.
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I really loved the aggressiveness at the end of the first half, using this time outs to get the ball back and kick that long suitable Sean McDermott for showing that kind of, you know, aggressiveness and last but not least, Isaiah Mackenzie.
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He's just fun.
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He's just fun.
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He's just a fun dude.
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He got to play Carla Murray all week in practice, so he gets to go out there and he gets to utilize that skill throwing two touchdown pass to Josh down.
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The Bills are all into when Josh catches a touchdown pass, by the way, So let's maybe not do that anymore, but those are the positives I took out of the offense.
00:17:04
What were some of the things that maybe you do you consider the Consider the Bassmaster part of the offense.
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In this case we can we can fit him in and we can put boho in with the negative.
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Yeah.
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So, Tyler Bass.
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Great.
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I mean, this this this guy.
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I mean, since that Jets game right where he kicked this thing eight e was onto something, right? You got all those reps in real game action.
00:17:27
And since then, and even concluding that game, he's been pretty money like the only Missy had was that bomb that we tried at the end of the first half in that Seattle game.
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That's the only miss he's had since that Jets game.
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So basses confidence is growing.
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He's got the leg.
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I've liked what I've seen out of Tyler Bass, and we were right.
00:17:47
You know, a lot of people were about like, we gotta be patient with a rookie kicker and he's shined, Elliott says.
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That's where you're so what he's referencing here, and that just makes the Elliot.
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Why do you got to do that? I had forgotten about that part, and that's what makes it stinks so much, too.
00:18:04
Stefon Diggs makes his Buffalo Bills defining touchdown I **** it and grabs him after the touchdown and goes, I thought we were over this, Elliott you have to go bring it back.
00:18:14
Isaiah Mackenzie grabs him by the pads, pulls them up and says, That's what you're here for.
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That's why they brought you here.
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Like and that was just It was such an icon.
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It could have been such an iconic moment for the Buffalo Bills.
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And it could have been something that we really remembered and took away from this season.
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And, uh, ****ing DeAndre Hopkins with just such a great play.
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**** e mean breathing.
00:18:45
Breathe in. Breathe out, Lance.
00:18:47
Coming in with the Super Chat.
00:18:48
We have Chargers Niner, Steelers, Broncos, Patriots, Dolphins.
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I see us going five and one.
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How about you? Um, you know, we talked about this little in the pregame yesterday.
00:18:55
I said four and three down the stretch, so that makes it Ah, four and two for me over these next six.
00:19:05
It's kind of I guess, how I would see it play out.
00:19:07
Um, look, it's so it's so weird, right? Because, like one week to the next, like some of these teams have looked so good and so like, the Steelers, one week after looking pretty bad against the Cowboys, look pretty good.
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Yesterday against the Bangles, and I know it's the Bengals.
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Chargers are very weak, too weak, hard to tell what you're gonna get.
00:19:25
But Justin Herbert's been pretty good this year.
00:19:27
Broncos now drew Lux hurt.
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That's probably the easiest game on the schedule remaining and then Patriots and Dolphins division games.
00:19:35
It's just hard to say Niners who knows what their injuries situation look like.
00:19:39
So I like I like lances.
00:19:41
Prediction of five and one.
00:19:42
I think five and one would obviously wrap up the division for us.
00:19:46
Uh, it should, obviously.
00:19:49
But I think four and two, even in these last six is Ah, what would you? Here's the thing to Lance.
00:19:55
Followed it up with who beats us like look at the schedule.
00:19:58
Who beats us? The NFL is very much a week to week league.
00:20:01
If the Buffalo Bills show up like they did against the Seattle Seahawks, we could run the table there or go for at least five number one.
00:20:08
But the Buffalo Bills who played against the Arizona Cardinals show up any one of these teams could knock us off.
00:20:14
Any one of them have shown glimpses off enough life on any given Sunday to knock us off, whether it's the Chargers and Herbert the Niners, that they could get their run game going and may be forced a couple of turnovers and and do some things on defense.
00:20:26
The Broncos, Every once in a while come toe life you saw with the Patriots.
00:20:30
And on Sunday night, I expect to beat the Chargers.
00:20:33
I expect to beat the Niners.
00:20:34
I expect to beat the Broncos, and I expect to split.
00:20:37
Or at least when you know 50 50 Patriots Dolphins.
00:20:41
So, um, to me, yes, for four and 25 and one sounds great, but you've got to show up like you did against Seattle.
00:20:50
You can't be.
00:20:51
You can't show up and play like you did against Arizona Cardinals and expect to run the table or go five and one.
00:20:56
And Scott, here with Super Chat, says you think about it.
00:20:58
The Dolphins win next week against the Browns.
00:21:00
Dolphins were playing the Browns next week.
00:21:02
I guess I e assume that's right.
00:21:04
Um, they be tied for us with the division.
00:21:07
We'd have the tiebreaker, obviously, because we played them once to beat them, and then we've got the charges the following week.
00:21:11
So I think Bill's Mafia I mean, as much as the Browns air in the kind of playoff makes, we are all Browns fans, UH, this upcoming weekend, regardless of what the Browns record is in them, you know, in the wild card or whatever.
00:21:25
We are all Browns fans this upcoming weekend, and we are all fans of teams that are playing against the Dolphins at this point, I think from here on out.
00:21:33
So yeah, and you said that the Patriots are garbage.
00:21:37
I don't disagree with you, but at the end of the day, they're coached by Bill Belichick.
00:21:42
They were a Cam Newton fumble away from beating us, and they just beat the Ravens last night and some new football.
00:21:47
So Miami plays Denver next week, not the Browns.
00:21:49
I agree.
00:21:50
You know, I agree that we're better than all of those teams on that schedule.
00:21:54
With the exception of Pittsburgh, I think Pittsburgh is better than I do.
00:21:58
I just dio, but that doesn't mean you're gonna win those games just because you're better on paper.
00:22:05
We just saw what we saw against the Arizona Cardinals, so it's tough.
00:22:09
It's tough like don't get me wrong, but the Buffalo Bills got to spend this bye week really thinking about some things, really thinking about some things, looking in the mirror and and sort of assessing what they're doing on both sides of the ball, because there are a lot of things that can be fixed.
00:22:25
And let's start talking about some of them.
00:22:27
And let's start with the running game and the interior offensive line.
00:22:31
Lucky photo went on.
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I are there.
00:22:33
Big, um, there big sort of run stuffer.
00:22:37
Corey Peters left with an ankle injury.
00:22:39
Jordan Phillips didn't play in this game.
00:22:41
Zach Moss had seven carries.
00:22:43
Devin Singletary had four carries.
00:22:45
The running game was non existent.
00:22:48
Whether that was by design, whether that was because they had no belief in it, and if they had no belief in it, it's probably because of the interior of the offensive line they went with, like but er, John Feliciano and, um, and Brian winners.
00:23:02
Despite the fact that Mitch Morse was active.
00:23:04
Now, plenty of people are talking today was much more benched.
00:23:07
It was a question Sean McDermott didn't like the question.
00:23:09
Sean McDermott got very passive aggressive, but you know, what were your thoughts on the run game and the interior of this office of line? Uh, I mean, there were chants.
00:23:20
There were a few chances here and there.
00:23:21
A couple bad snaps, I think, ruined a couple running plays.
00:23:24
Um, but overall, not great.
00:23:26
I mean, it felt like, um e mean, although the pressure that was getting to Alan was coming from the outside most of the game, the run game obviously had nowhere know where to go.
00:23:36
If you take Josh Allen's sort of designed quarterback draws out of the equation.
00:23:40
You're talking about Moss averaging under three yards of carry in Singletary, averaging under 40 yards a carry.
00:23:47
I mean, you break this down even further.
00:23:48
Moss had seven carries for 20 yards, and his long was the 14 yarder.
00:23:53
So if you take that 14 yarder out, he had six carries for six yards.
00:23:57
Okay, Singletary's long of 13.
00:24:00
He had 15 yards and four carry, so you take his 13 out.
00:24:05
He had three carries for two yards, so, like other than two runs that each of them broke.
00:24:13
I mean, this run game was awful right, and it and it's like the interior Online obviously plays a factor in that.
00:24:20
And like at the end of the game, you know, towards the end of the game, that was, like clear that the run game was doing nothing.
00:24:26
We were losing yardage on runs, so they kind of had Thio go away from it.
00:24:30
But, man, I know we're going to get into this thing about Mitch Morse.
00:24:34
I I find it very odd that he was active and didn't play.
00:24:38
I will say that if that was going to be the case and why, you know, why wouldn't you just make him inactive for the game and let someone else like, give someone else that active roster spot? So I found it very odd.
00:24:51
Maybe it was like an emergency situation.
00:24:53
They were gonna use them.
00:24:54
And I know Sean McDermott got a little salty, but that question and said it was like non football.
00:24:59
Ah, nothing based, not non injury based decision.
00:25:04
It was purely a football decision.
00:25:05
Which shot is shocking to me, given that he's the highest paid offensive lineman on the team? Um uh right.
00:25:14
So, like what? What gives there? And then he made some comment about how this group had had mo mentum.
00:25:20
I mean, come on, like Coach, speak or not.
00:25:23
Like if he's your starting center and you're paying him all that money, you need to say Mitch Morse is air starting center when he's healthy and we gave him a you know, we gave him a rest game.
00:25:33
We're gonna only use them in an emergency situation if we needed to.
00:25:37
Whatever the case may be, I I personally believe that.
00:25:44
Like whether you're not you think it was Coach speak.
00:25:46
It was kind of a week answer.
00:25:48
In my opinion, he he brought the drama upon himself very non.
00:25:56
Sean McDermott Answer like he he's the one who made it a big deal.
00:25:59
Like all he had to say, It was like it was an emergency based decision.
00:26:03
In my in my mind, I think that this decision was simple.
00:26:07
They had much more is there because they felt like he could play.
00:26:11
But they also realized they're heading into a bye week.
00:26:14
He gets one more week of rest and that interior offensive line between Miami running the ball in Seattle pass blocking was on a little bit of a heater.
00:26:22
But at the same time, Mitch Morse never went in When they didn't get hot against the Cardinals, Andi had that that weak ass response in the postgame.
00:26:29
So there is cause for concern.
00:26:31
But I'm not gonna let myself worry about it until until after the bye week.
00:26:37
And if he's not starting against the L A Chargers, then it it'll appear.
00:26:41
It's a quit in Spain situation and they're scapegoating him on.
00:26:44
Then I'll start getting salty about it.
00:26:46
But until that happens, um, but you're going to scapegoat.
00:26:50
Yeah, I agree with you.
00:26:51
There is no way that's gonna happen because you're not gonna keep your your center that you paid big money to one year ago.
00:26:57
It's not gonna happen.
00:26:58
Um, as we continue talking about the offense here, Lance has another super chat.
00:27:04
Josh is obviously not gonna be perfect on every throw, but he has to make better decisions coming out half the two NTC through or just poor decision making.
00:27:11
Holding it too long under throws.
00:27:13
There were actually a couple, I think, the one interception he threw going to his left where Patrick Peterson kind of cut in front of the route honestly, was not even as bad of a decision.
00:27:23
I would say as some of his other decisions that could have been picks that weren't that was just like to me and more of a bad throw.
00:27:31
I think if that throw was thrown a little more outside and Onley gives his guy a chance to catch it, So I don't necessarily fault that decision there.
00:27:38
The throw was poor, but some of the other decisions where he threw into into coverage and when we're Peterson dropped it and he was slamming his hand on the ground that that, to me, was a bad throw.
00:27:48
Um, you know, and they obviously the other one, he sailed.
00:27:51
So, yeah, I mean, this is This is what we know is going to happen.
00:27:56
Like Like it's very rare for a quarterback to throw, like, even low single digit interceptions in a season.
00:28:05
Unless your name's Aaron Rodgers and you just don't throw interceptions.
00:28:07
Okay, so, you know, chances.
00:28:11
Right? And at the end of the day that Josh still accounted for three total touchdowns, including the go ahead, not game winning, unfortunately, one with 34 seconds left, so yeah, he obviously, um, isn't gonna be perfect.
00:28:23
But Josh Allen, you know, he did enough for us to win the game at the end of the day and could have had another game winning drive tallied in his in his box store in his in his career stats.
00:28:33
And he just, you know, just didn't happen.
00:28:35
I mean, what I'm gonna say is when you throw the ball 49 times, what do you think is gonna happen? Like there's gonna be 5 to 10 words like like when you throw the ball four times, you're not gonna have perfection.
00:28:47
And listen, I'm not trying to scapegoat.
00:28:49
I'm not trying to scapegoat Brian table.
00:28:51
I'm not trying to say Brian Table should be fired.
00:28:52
I'm not trying to say any of those things, but but I think that there needs to be some reflection during this bye week because a couple of things happened that just baffled me.
00:29:02
Number one I sent in the pregame show I expected, gave Davis to go off with Tyler Kroft out, and instead they sort of double down on their tight ends.
00:29:10
And you saw a lot of Dawson knocks and you saw a lot of 11 personnel where you saw, like the running backs in the tight ends, flanking out to go five wide instead of going to 10 personnel, it gave Davis.
00:29:19
Now there's reasons for that.
00:29:21
It helps Josh Allen figure out what the coverages, because you could see who follows the running back and you could see follows a tight end and all that stuff.
00:29:28
But, I mean, at the end of the day, like gave, Davis didn't really come into the game until John Brown got hurt.
00:29:34
And I feel like there was Cem, Cem Cem ways to exploit that defense in 10 personnel with Gabriel Davis.
00:29:40
They didn't even try it, and it was taking them far too long to adjust the things like that.
00:29:46
Cover zero blitz.
00:29:47
How many times have we thrown that screenplay? Guess what? They finally figured out the wide receiver screen and they snuffed out Stefan Day, you know.
00:29:54
And then, in the third quarter, we mentioned theatrically the Cole Beasley touchdown.
00:29:58
Ah Dr of three place, six yard, 12 year Pond, three place, 14 yards interception, six place, five yards punt, four place, eight yards punt, four penalties on the drive, one play zero yards interception that 23 to 9 lead sizzled on those drives.
00:30:14
It went away fizzled. Sorry, not settled.
00:30:16
Fizzled.
00:30:17
One away went away.
00:30:18
Went bye bye Poof! Run the ball.
00:30:23
Your offense is clearly struggling.
00:30:25
You.
00:30:26
The other team is going on the 17 point run.
00:30:30
You have a two possession lead.
00:30:34
Try to sustain a drive by creating some third and shorts.
00:30:37
Run the football.
00:30:38
Run the football like I want to be mad at the Interior Office of Line for not having a great day blocking.
00:30:45
But at the end of the date, like there was no emphasis on the run game, it was seven for Moss.
00:30:50
It was four for Singletary.
00:30:52
Don't even try.
00:30:53
They didn't even try.
00:30:54
So, like, what do you expect? Like I expect that to happen.
00:30:58
I expect the offense to flounder like they did in the third quarter.
00:31:02
If you're just passing, passing, passing, passing, passing, passing, because guess what? When there's no when you don't mix it up.
00:31:07
When the opponent knows what you're doing, they can strategize against it.
00:31:12
And that's what Vance Joseph did.
00:31:13
He started coming out.
00:31:14
He realized they weren't gonna run, and he dialed up a game plan for it, and it took the Bills seven possessions to figure it out.
00:31:21
And in those seven possessions, they scored 17 points and took the lead.
00:31:25
Yeah, I mean, Cardinals six tackles for loss as well.
00:31:27
So a couple of those times where maybe they did try to run the ball predictably on first down, losing yardage penalties, setting them back, you get yourself into bad down and distance is which they did with a lot of those penalties.
00:31:39
It's hard, right? It's hard to then go back and run the ball.
00:31:42
So I mean, I think at one point we went like we had two penalties in row.
00:31:45
We went from a 1st 15 in the first in 20 and then we had, like, a second.
00:31:50
So, you know, soul here says with super chat, only time we loses when we beat ourselves.
00:31:54
And those penalties were big.
00:31:55
I mean the dot people people are people are coming in hot on the comments with about Dawson knocks because you mentioned the tight ends.
00:32:02
I mean, you talk about that one where it was offsetting penalties where the cardinals were offsides, and then Dawson Knox has the block in the back way down the field.
00:32:10
It's funny because that place kind of bad luck if the Cardinals aren't offsides there and Dawson knocks blocks that far down the field, we might even still get a first down out of that.
00:32:19
But since Cardinals actually had a penalty and offset in, the plane never happened.
00:32:23
It actually maybe even heard us that the Cardinals were offsides.
00:32:26
But regardless, Dawson knocks.
00:32:29
Um, you know, I he's a talented guy, but at this point, it's a trend he's becoming a liability on.
00:32:37
I don't know.
00:32:39
Yes, Scott says.
00:32:40
I apologize. Probably drunk.
00:32:41
Yeah, that's that is, yeah, I'll be a big Broncos fan, but Drew locks gonna be out.
00:32:44
It sounds like, and that's going to be looking like an easy game for Miami.
00:32:48
Usually turned out the NFL.
00:32:51
Yeah, there's news now that Locke has a rib injury.
00:32:53
I believe someone can correct me on that in the comments section.
00:32:56
Really? I believe Lock has a ribbon dream.
00:32:59
His status is in doubt.
00:33:01
I don't know if they've said he's out for sure, but I believe this status is in doubt. Man.
00:33:05
Miami's gonna tee off on on that.
00:33:07
If that's the case, and but, yeah, I mean the point being that psalm mention is that we beat ourselves and yeah, I think we kind of did in this game.
00:33:18
Uh, T.
00:33:19
Dobbs says, turning point of the game to stand up our pos, where Murray goes right around the outside of Mario Addison.
00:33:24
Yeah, like no offense like no offense.
00:33:27
I'm not saying it was like an embarrassing.
00:33:30
It was embarrassing, like by any means.
00:33:33
It was It wasn't.
00:33:35
But still, at the end of the day in the second half, when they got in the first half, they kicked field goals.
00:33:41
In the second half, Cliff Kingsbury adjusted and they score touchdowns in the red zone.
00:33:45
Cliff Kingsbury outsmarted Leslie Frazier in the red zone in the second half, just like Vance, Joseph outsmarted Brian Table.
00:33:51
After that, Cole Beasley touchdown for 567 possessions took him a while to figure it out.
00:33:55
We got out coached in the second half.
00:33:56
We got outcoached and outplayed.
00:33:58
We got outcoached and outplayed the second half.
00:33:59
Now Josh Allen makes a big time place that put us up to that 17 point lead, which then allowed us to come back.
00:34:07
Don't get me wrong.
00:34:08
We have the ability to do that.
00:34:09
Josh On is that kind of player.
00:34:11
And sometimes you just gotta live with that because that's what Josh Allen is.
00:34:14
He's gonna have those 56 drives down and out, down in the dumps, and then he brings you back.
00:34:19
It's gonna happen.
00:34:20
But this is what happens when that stuff happens is there's a chance that you lose the football game.
00:34:25
Yeah.
00:34:26
I mean, look again, if this if this flukey play doesn't happen, we're talking about this thes same types of things, but mawr of, Ah, uh, you know mawr of it from a constructive criticism angle than reasons when we lost the game.
00:34:40
Because really, you can point to that one.
00:34:42
You obviously can point to the Hail Mary and like that's That's it, right? You could say, Oh, that's it.
00:34:47
Like it was a fluke, like we won the game.
00:34:50
And then that happened.
00:34:51
So it's just hard to sometimes put things into perspective or talk about these things in these different perspectives when you know there's the L on at the end of it, right? So, um, but maybe like you said, Maybe this is going to be a good, you know, punching the chin for this team going in the bye week.
00:35:11
They have to take this bad taste in their mouth now for two weeks.
00:35:14
They don't get to go right back out on the field and and try to redeem themselves right.
00:35:19
It's like it's almost like those those weeks where, like you lose on Sunday and you have a Thursday game.
00:35:24
It's almost kind of better because you get out there right away and you can kind of get that bad taste out of your mouth potentially now.
00:35:29
They got a stew on this for two weeks, and, like you said, this could be a moment potentially where we look back and say, Hey, maybe it galvanized this team and you know Sean McDermott to his credit, Um, after tough losses that the Bills have had in his tenure, they've come back and they have performed well, you know, you go back to that.
00:35:47
The Nate Peterman debacle, the Chargers game.
00:35:51
I believe if I'm not mistaken the very next game.
00:35:53
After that, we went into Arrowhead and beat the chief.
00:35:56
So, um and that kind of turned our season around and ultimately got us in the playoffs in 2017.
00:36:00
So look, this team has shown the ability to rebound after tough losses.
00:36:06
So let's hope that that is the case here.
00:36:07
And I believe Sean McDermott of I'm not mistaken is three.
00:36:10
You know, after by weeks in his career, is the Bills coach, so that also bodes well.
00:36:16
Think we have either? A Cardinals fan on patrol in the comments section said, Your team got mosque.
00:36:20
Josh Allen wasn't good.
00:36:22
He should have been better, but he could have put the game away.
00:36:24
But you have a riel.
00:36:25
But he gave a real M V P candidate calamari a chance to capitalize.
00:36:29
I don't understand where I don't understand how Kyler like like listen, Kyler, Murray and Josh down around the same tear to me like they're both.
00:36:37
They're both have about the same MVPs right now.
00:36:40
Like Karen, Laurie ain't Yeah, he ran for two touchdowns, and he he threw a nice little bomb.
00:36:45
Take that bomb away and the stat line don't look so great, because let's flip it over to the defense inside the ball.
00:36:50
Now let's flip it over the years.
00:36:51
The ball? Um you know, my positives for the defense of side.
00:36:54
The ball was the first half.
00:36:55
They did exactly what I said they were gonna do in the preview.
00:36:57
They did exactly what I said they were gonna do.
00:36:59
Cliff Kingsbury all he cares about his points points points will take him.
00:37:02
However, you could get him.
00:37:03
And they were kicking field goals like mother****ers.
00:37:05
Like they weren't even considering going for any of those four towns.
00:37:08
They were kicking field goals.
00:37:09
The Bills defense was bending, not breaking.
00:37:11
And even though we probably should have scored more touchdowns, we still got the one touchdown.
00:37:15
Which was the difference going in the half Being up, What? 16 Tau nine at the half.
00:37:20
16.
00:37:22
69? Yeah, so that was the difference.
00:37:23
Was the touchdown like we we scored the touchdown.
00:37:26
They kicked the field goals.
00:37:27
That was the difference in the first half.
00:37:29
And if it would have continued in the second half, we would have won the football game.
00:37:32
But they adjusted in the red zone.
00:37:34
They got Kyler Murray moving using his feet because they can't do **** in the red zone. Passing the ball.
00:37:41
They're not great.
00:37:42
Calamari is not a very good red zone quarterback throwing on and you know they scored. They score touchdown.
00:37:49
So but at the end of the day until the last second flukey play, we had given up 26 points.
00:37:54
The league's number one offense.
00:37:55
So it wasn't a terrible performance, but it wasn't a great performance.
00:37:59
Yeah, Bobby Cabbage stock.
00:38:01
Nice name. Their love.
00:38:03
You guys based in L.
00:38:04
A.
00:38:05
No, but home for the holidays was hoping for a win or loss of sun on Jason.
00:38:07
Yeah, we were just talking about right going into the bye.
00:38:09
Let's see what this does for him.
00:38:10
Uh, we're talking about beef.
00:38:12
It's embarrassing.
00:38:13
Let it fuel you.
00:38:14
Trey White, Jordan Porter.
00:38:16
Micah Hyde should be on a mission to put a highlight reel style plays the whole second half of the season to try to make the world forget how embarrassing that was for the three of them.
00:38:27
Yeah, especially cause there you could make the case that your three best defensive players, right? I mean, honestly, you could make that argument positives for me in the game from the defense of side of the ball.
00:38:39
Uh, Dane Jackson stepping in.
00:38:41
Um, I thought he played well, Obviously had this scare with the the injury, but it sounds like I mean, obviously he came back in the e.
00:38:51
I say let him start.
00:38:52
Eight tackles, six Solo.
00:38:54
I thought that Tehran Johnson there's much heat has he's been getting.
00:38:58
I thought he played a pretty good game.
00:39:00
2.
00:39:01
5 tackles for loss and a sack in this game.
00:39:03
He's been playing a little better recently, and it seems like Tremaine Edmunds is kind of still coming into his own.
00:39:10
Um, I thought he had, Ah, good game.
00:39:12
I wouldn't say it was as good as the game against Seattle, but a good game.
00:39:16
And, you know, a J.
00:39:18
Klein kind of settled into that sort of in between.
00:39:21
Like I was saying on the pre game like he was obviously not gonna have the same game against he had against Seattle, but he was better than he'd been.
00:39:28
He obviously, uh, you know, led the team in tackles.
00:39:31
He was making a lot of tackles.
00:39:33
Um, he was, you know, bringing guys down on first contact obviously had the Saca's well, let the teams tackles So defensively, um, pass defense, I thought was was pretty good.
00:39:48
Honestly, overall, I think two weeks in a row, solid football.
00:39:52
It's the Rushdie that keeps kind of coming back to haunt us now.
00:39:55
Obviously, the Cardinals came in as a top one of the top rushing offenses, in large part due to collar Murray.
00:40:01
But you give, uh, you know Kenyan Drake, averaging over six yards of carrying this game, had 100 yards on 16 carries.
00:40:08
You know, Murray adds another 61 on the ground of his own chase.
00:40:11
Edmunds averages seven yards of carry on only eight carries, so we give over 200 rushing yards to this team.
00:40:17
So the rusty is still an issue.
00:40:20
Um, but but ultimately, like the Bills defense again did enough to win this game.
00:40:26
And it was kind of like you said, like it was a blend.
00:40:29
I think of that.
00:40:30
Seattle in Kansas City game plan.
00:40:31
They were kind of letting them run, but they were a little more aggressive still in spots.
00:40:35
They weren't just sitting back and coverage all game.
00:40:37
So, uh, PVC fan with the super chat.
00:40:40
Thank you for that.
00:40:41
Zero a Z fan should be talking trash.
00:40:44
They got a flute player that we played for defense, and that's it's a 1% play breaking tables.
00:40:49
Bills talk with super chat as well, says McDermott, was asked in.
00:40:51
Morse will be their starting center before you said it will be a week to week decision.
00:40:55
Happy with? Yeah, we touched on Morris a little bit, but what do you think about that? That comment we didn't touch on him him saying it would be a week to week decision on qualifier.
00:41:05
We'll get back to your comment in a second.
00:41:06
I think it's bull****.
00:41:07
I don't think I don't think he believes a single word of what he's saying.
00:41:10
I think after the bye week, we're going to see Mitch Morse at center.
00:41:13
We're going to see Cody Ford at left guard.
00:41:15
We're going to see John Police on it, right guard and we're all gonna forget about the five minutes we got angry at something there in the press conference, why he had why he had to make this a story when there is no none.
00:41:24
I have no idea why I'm frustrated.
00:41:27
I think I mean I mean from that.
00:41:30
He's mad that we lost.
00:41:31
I mean, he's probably ****ed.
00:41:33
We lost.
00:41:34
Maybe he's trying to get these guys on the interior a little bit more angry, like maybe maybe that's why, like, maybe he thought Mitch Morris was being too soft, so he wanted John Feliciano.
00:41:43
But they're more aggressive at center.
00:41:45
Maybe he was trying to send a message.
00:41:46
I don't know why you have to send a message to your $10 million center.
00:41:49
No idea why.
00:41:50
No, no clue why.
00:41:51
But Koala Bear Khan says, need to force focus on the run and discipline for penalties.
00:41:57
True and like, we keep going back to that stretch.
00:41:59
In the third quarter where we went six Siri's just three and out, three and out, three and out, three and out, three and out and we turned the ball over twice.
00:42:05
In one.
00:42:06
Siris was just completely derailed by penalties.
00:42:10
If we would have gotten the ball moving running the ball, we could have sustained a couple of drives.
00:42:14
Uh, if we didn't get those pounds, maybe we could have sustained a drive somewhere in there, not turned the football over and not let Arizona go on a 17.
00:42:21
Nothing run when we were up, 23 to 9.
00:42:23
So right there with you quality air con.
00:42:26
If in the third quarter we had done those two things we're not talking about, we're not talking about DeAndre.
00:42:30
Hopkins is Hail Mary.
00:42:32
And there's some penalties you can recover from.
00:42:33
Run like, let's say you get a false start on first down becomes for 1st 15.
00:42:37
Okay, but the way the the way the penalties came in like the Dawson knocks block in the back.
00:42:43
The holding on the John Brown 24 yard reception on 3rd and 23 or whatever it was where he sacrificed his body.
00:42:52
He gave up his body for the team, and then it just comes back.
00:42:55
Like those air killers, those air killers and multiple penalties on the same Siris on the same set of downs like you're not going to recover from that.
00:43:03
So I got a bunch of Cardinals fans in the chat section.
00:43:07
Now Bill suck.
00:43:08
They beat you.
00:43:09
Just way, owned it.
00:43:11
There's nothing about its own it.
00:43:12
Like we said, Um, you know, good on the Cardinals for for winning that football game, it's, uh, you know every fan base gets to deserve having a play like that.
00:43:23
It just stings.
00:43:25
It really stings when that play happens against you on multiple occasions.
00:43:29
And we went back to a wide right Music City miracle that Hail Mary um last year, Dasan Watts and getting out of that sack and running for the first down the playoff game.
00:43:38
It seems like just way too many generational type of highlight reel plays.
00:43:43
It happened to the Buffalo Bills in a losing effort and stings just a little bit.
00:43:47
Eso we are a little salty here in tonight's there.
00:43:50
I mean, have we had any place like that? Like, generational type plays go our way in the last 15, 20 years.
00:43:56
I really can't do you forgot about Stevie Johnson.
00:43:59
Drop in the end zone against a count for ****.
00:44:02
Yeah.
00:44:03
Um, yeah.
00:44:06
Do we have a generational play? I know Don Beebe in a losing effort.
00:44:10
The Super Bowl knocking the ball out of Leon E.
00:44:14
Guess really, like if you think that that Adams returned.
00:44:18
But that's what we started that season with the 31.
00:44:21
Nothing victory.
00:44:22
Feeling like we're gonna go to the playoffs and ended that season with the 31 Nothing doing up a tree.
00:44:27
So I don't even know if the Sam Adams played the Drayton Florence pick.
00:44:30
Six.
00:44:31
Um, there's a bunch of things you could talk about, but the end.
00:44:33
At the end of the day, it's not enough.
00:44:35
Ah, playoff season.
00:44:37
It's not in a winning effort.
00:44:38
It's just like it's what the same.
00:44:41
Okay, well, I'll take the same Amazon because we're on the cover of Sports Illustrated was fun, but drink Florence on the cover of Sports Illustrated, I think.
00:44:47
How about being the Panthers with D.
00:44:49
J Kyle Orton? Sammy Watkins? I think that's what about what about White Jesus, Danny.
00:44:57
What? What about What about White Jesus Dan Carpenter making it like 59 yard field goal against the Lions when Sammy Watkins what I needed tonight.
00:45:06
What back? And let's talk about, uh, the flu B roll out against the JAG wires.
00:45:11
Oh, the comeback against Houston.
00:45:13
Where the hell were Yeah, but now that that was a playoff days, I'm talking like the last 15 20 years.
00:45:17
Have we had way? Go.
00:45:18
Look at that.
00:45:19
Look at that.
00:45:20
This is this.
00:45:21
This is what I needed tonight.
00:45:22
How Maney Bryant around the world that hit on Nate, Nate Clements hit on Brady.
00:45:26
That was That was pretty good that a woman could probably go in the other box.
00:45:31
Uh, LaShawn McCoy snow game. That was cool.
00:45:34
Uh, I just had one of my mind, and I lost it.
00:45:36
Oh, how many times did Brian Mormon throw a touchdown to Ryan? Denny like that was pretty cool.
00:45:40
That was against the Seahawks.
00:45:42
Do I believe it was nice? You know, of the Dallas game? I can't bring up with Dallas Roscoe's punt return against the Jags, where he, like, did like the 3 16 98 yarder from Fits to T O.
00:45:54
Oh, yeah.
00:45:55
So longest playing bills, History like that.
00:45:57
Look at that.
00:45:58
Look at this.
00:45:59
We're finding the good and the bad people will find it.
00:46:00
Good.
00:46:01
So this is Kyle Orton in general, I think Kyle Orton, like, literally put in a Lipper on the sidelines like that's just you can't top that.
00:46:10
How about bills highlight in the history of of football will ever top just like collard and packing the Lipper on this island.
00:46:17
How about the dueling 83 Charlie Evans touchdowns from JP and and and Peerless Price.
00:46:24
Making the game winning catch at the end of that game, that was That was pretty good.
00:46:28
So once said Kyle Williams, touchdown, That was cool.
00:46:30
Okay, Tyler Boyd.
00:46:33
Touchdown for the Bangles With not not for the Bills, but hey.
00:46:39
Ah, great play that went our way, right? The Petermann game.
00:46:46
Uh, he had, like, a really good second half against the Saints the week before that, I think, um, Josh Allen, Hurdle over.
00:46:55
Anthony Hurdle, Hurdle.
00:46:58
There you go.
00:46:59
Look at this. We're doing it.
00:47:00
People were doing it for trying.
00:47:01
Trying way.
00:47:04
Guess Elliott Spot on preseason.
00:47:08
Peter Moon.
00:47:09
Kelvin Benjamin.
00:47:10
Oh, thank you.
00:47:14
Oh, wait.
00:47:16
This is the therapy we were looking for tonight.
00:47:18
That's what we need.
00:47:20
The positivity of bills.
00:47:23
Mafia in the comments section.
00:47:24
We needed this tonight.
00:47:25
We really did.
00:47:26
Now am I going to go? Um, I gonna leave this show and feel Go back to feeling bad.
00:47:32
Probably a little bit.
00:47:33
Probably a little bit, but I'll feel a little better after all.
00:47:36
This was good.
00:47:37
This was good.
00:47:38
Uh, speaking of bad Corey Bohorquez, 12 yard punt man is that good? I think I could punch it for I know I confronted for every every for every home game Korbel work has likes to get in front of the media and go listen.
00:47:51
Buffalo is the toughest place to punt, like you just don't understand when those winds are swirling and the stadium, like, you know, being kind of underground and like the you just like you just don't know how to punt.
00:48:03
Buffalo Buffalo What did you need? The roof closed.
00:48:07
Corey Barker as I noticed the roof was open.
00:48:10
Did that affect your punting ability in any way, shape or form? Come on 12 12.
00:48:16
That's in golf.
00:48:17
What we call a chilly dipper, the old shank.
00:48:20
12 yards.
00:48:22
Yeah, 12 yards and yards.
00:48:24
That's one of those were, like the the ref, like goes on the sideline, and he just keeps walking and walking.
00:48:29
You almost expect him to go past where he punted from.
00:48:33
I mean, how about we held him to a field goal, though on alternate universe Corey Borquez punts, an absolute bomb or any other punter punts an absolute bomb to the two yard line pins and deep the bills get a pick six and the game is over from there.
00:48:46
So truly if you think about it because of what happens in an alternate universe, this game is 100%.
00:48:52
Corey Barker is his fault. 100%.
00:48:54
Exactly.
00:48:55
And, uh, leave boho and Zona tell him the plane leaves at a different time.
00:48:59
I don't want him in the same state, is me? No, no, everyone.
00:49:06
Yeah, that's true.
00:49:07
He would be there.
00:49:08
He would be near you. He compares you.
00:49:10
He can parachute off the plane over Kansas City or something like that.
00:49:15
Yeah.
00:49:16
A lot of people are mentioned. The molds catch over 13.
00:49:18
Uh, Yep.
00:49:20
That was a good one as well.
00:49:22
Eso man.
00:49:25
Uh, all right, so we talked about defense.
00:49:28
Now we're talking about bohorquez.
00:49:29
So special teams, you know, we'll talk about that a little bit.
00:49:32
I thought like, you know, like you said, Robert's bringing the ball out of the end zone a couple times.
00:49:36
Maybe shouldn't have, but, you know, he's trying to make a play for the team Bohorquez with Shank, obviously.
00:49:42
And then I think he had the other punt that just went clear through the end zone like he always does.
00:49:47
Um uh, hey.
00:49:49
Averaged 46 a half with a long 61 even with a 12 yarder.
00:49:53
So I mean, his other pumps were pretty good.
00:49:56
There was the one where he kind of outkicked the coverage.
00:49:58
And, uh, who was it, Um, was it Christian Kirk That brought it up the sideline? The right sideline, I think, for a 23 yarder.
00:50:05
But other the the other punt near the end of the game when we really needed it.
00:50:10
And Kirk fielded it, and our coverage unit was down there and tackle them at, like the one that was That was actually quite a big play on special teams.
00:50:16
So overall a mixed bag for the special teams, Right? Because obviously, Roberts, a couple crappy returns bohorquez with Shank.
00:50:23
But then you go to bass.
00:50:24
Obviously was good, kicking the ball place, kicking the ball, and then a couple good decent coverage plays, um, one on that punt and then on kickoff.
00:50:32
So a very mixed bag for special teams.
00:50:34
Overall, let's try to stay positive on special teams and just, like, be happy for Tyler Bass and think that like we really found a good kicker and I'm happy.
00:50:42
Look, you know, I'm happy we've got him here for the future.
00:50:45
Yeah, Thomas Burke, sit onto the charges.
00:50:47
And I'm honestly, I'm ready to go into the charges.
00:50:50
My notes Ready.
00:50:51
You're ready. Write. My notes are done.
00:50:53
My notes are finished.
00:50:54
So you guys in the comments section, if you have anything left about this game that you want to talk about, let's flush it out and let's have a conversation about it and we could get to it.
00:51:06
I don't think we can do calls today unless either Bobby or Pierre hit us up in the comments section and let us know they're the producers.
00:51:14
They're the ones who put the calls together.
00:51:16
We don't have access to the phone lines.
00:51:18
Eso unless they're there.
00:51:20
We can't do phone calls today.
00:51:21
We'll make it up to you on Thursday if we can't do it.
00:51:24
I promise you that.
00:51:25
But somebody mentioned I blame knocks more than boho bills.
00:51:29
Fan 1970.
00:51:30
A regular listener.
00:51:31
We always appreciate the comments.
00:51:32
He says I You know, I blame Dawson. Knocks more than dojo.
00:51:37
Art boho, boho dojo, Dojo.
00:51:40
Boho boho.
00:51:41
Alright, I think I just had a stroke, but I'm good now.
00:51:42
So Dawson knocks the conversation about Dawson knocks.
00:51:47
Listen for people saying they want him off the roster.
00:51:50
I think maybe it's time we start rethinking what we want to do with.
00:51:54
Dawson knocks the player.
00:51:55
Because maybe this offseason we considered transitioning him to more of a Reggie Gilliam role.
00:52:03
He could be a fullback.
00:52:04
He can be sort of a hybrid H back like he can.
00:52:08
He can sort of be that fourth tight end, the guy who can also play fullback, the guy who can play special teams, the guy that maybe you design one play for a game like transition them into that, um, more so than in every down tight end, like a Tyler crop.
00:52:25
So maybe instead of having our aspirations for Dawson knocks, be the next George Kittel or, you know, the next, um, you know Zach Ertz.
00:52:36
Maybe we just bring it down a notch to Maybe he'll be a good 3rd, 3rd title and hybrid Dine on Titan, who sticks on this team for a decade and always makes a play here, there and blocks really well, like maybe that can be sort of the role that Dawson knocks carves out here in Buffalo like I'm not really willing.
00:52:54
Thio put him on the practice squad like I think someone else commented earlier or cut him or kick him to the curb.
00:53:00
I'm not ready to do that because the guy clearly has potential.
00:53:04
He's a great athlete.
00:53:05
Hey has shown that he is a pretty good blocker as well.
00:53:09
Yes, there's a lot of things to be concerned about his game.
00:53:12
But, um, everyone says it's so anytime I agree.
00:53:16
If he's healthy, put him up on the roster.
00:53:18
Let's do it.
00:53:19
Lee Smith.
00:53:20
We want to talk about We want to talk.
00:53:21
About what? A biscuit.
00:53:25
Away from a tight end, Lee Smith looks like a freaking biscuit away from a left tackle.
00:53:31
That dude was like getting winded, going from going emotion on the left hand of the office of line to the right end.
00:53:38
I could see his beer gut from the from from the television.
00:53:42
Well, let me ask you this.
00:53:44
Well, let me ask you this, because Randy Hardman asked the question.
00:53:46
How important is the tight end? These often? So is it that We just don't have a tight end that we can really rely on to be an offensive weapon.
00:53:54
Or is it just that the tight end really isn't that important from ah, receiving standpoint in this offense? I don't think it's it's vital, like I don't think I don't think you need it.
00:54:05
I think it's It's nice tohave like if we're drafting in the twenties this year and, um, you know Kyle Pits or Brevin Jordan or Pat Friar mute there on the board and the Buffalo Bills are like in their other options, and they can't trade back and they feel like they can take it taken, taken, taken tight end in the first round.
00:54:24
If we want to add an elite tight end of this offense, I'm not opposed to it.
00:54:28
I'm not opposed, but I also don't think we need it.
00:54:31
I think we could resign Tyler Kroft.
00:54:33
I think we could bring Tommy Sweeney in.
00:54:35
I think you could transition.
00:54:36
Dawson knocks to a hybrid role and then maybe go out and try to find like another Tyler Kroft, mid tier free agent to pair with Tyler Kroft.
00:54:43
I don't think it's necessary.
00:54:45
I don't think it's necessary to have a new Alfa tight end to make this offense work.
00:54:51
But also, it wouldn't hurt to have one.
00:54:53
I mean, would never hurt.
00:54:55
Right? Uh, Troy says on Thanks for the super chat.
00:54:59
Troy.
00:55:00
What's your input? Employer knocking tray out? A lot of people have commented on this since the beginning of the show, so maybe we should talk about a little bit.
00:55:05
Ah, lot of people, you know, thinking that poorer maybe knock tray out of that play at the end to prevent it from from knocking the ball down.
00:55:14
But we're gonna play two players, can't.
00:55:18
Doesn't have eyes in the back of his head, like well, and there's three guys they're still like You would figure three against one like you still probably take your chances that the one is not going to catch it, right? So yeah, it kinda it was It was unfortunate, right? I mean, was unfortunate.
00:55:32
Like maybe trade does make the play of player doesn't knocking him, But you just don't know.
00:55:36
Here is a comment I wanted to make earlier, and I didn't make and thank you, Carl.
00:55:39
Your comments sort of brought it back into my mind, he says.
00:55:43
My offensive started the game called busy.
00:55:45
My defense started the game like I hide.
00:55:47
I'm gonna ignore the defense of part of your question for now, even though, like I did have a good game and that's the cold, easy part.
00:55:52
Kobe's had 11 catches.
00:55:54
Mhm. Stefon Diggs had 10 catches.
00:55:56
Is our offense becoming too dependent on those two? Are they becoming too dependent on Cole Beasley and Stefon Diggs? Is that what maybe is maybe holding offense back a little bit because we're just too dependent on these two guys? A little game.
00:56:08
We spread the ball out.
00:56:09
We scored a lot this game.
00:56:11
We focused on two guys and we weren't as effective.
00:56:15
I e don't necessarily think so because there were a couple of games.
00:56:20
There are a couple of games before this one, and I know you know, I know Cole Beasley had a great game here, but there were a couple of games before this one.
00:56:27
I believe we're Cole Beasley.
00:56:28
Really? Didn't you know? Didn't have huge stat line? So I think, um, no, I don't think it is.
00:56:34
I mean, Okay, So, Cole Beasley, I'm looking at his stats of the last.
00:56:37
He had 11 for 109 this game, but the two games before this, three for 39 in Seattle and two for 24 against New England.
00:56:45
I know he didn't run the we didn't pass the ball much against New England, but you know he's had a couple of games like that this year.
00:56:52
Three for 32 2 for 24 3 for 39.
00:56:55
But then he blows up in these, you know, these games where he's at 11 for 1 12 against the Jets or 11 for one of nine against Cardinals.
00:57:01
I don't know.
00:57:02
I don't think I don't think it.
00:57:03
We are too reliant on those two because we've been getting when on the field and contributing.
00:57:08
We've been getting steady contributions from John Brown when he's on the field.
00:57:11
We've been getting steady contributions outside of this game from Gabriel Davis.
00:57:15
So I think those four you know, when you have all those four guys and they're all healthy, then I I think it it makes it easier on the bills like they don't have to rely on Digs in and Beasley that much in digs honestly had like a little bit of a quiet stretching the game yesterday to even, but he still ended up with his catches in his yard.
00:57:34
So I'll say no as the short answer to that, because with John Brown and Gabriel Davis in the mix, I don't think we're necessarily too heavy now.
00:57:43
What I will say is, if you lose one of those guys, it will affect obviously, uh, the offensive lot.
00:57:51
So, like those guys bring like a knock on effect to the others, right? Having a Cole Beasley having a digs puts less pressure on Davis puts less pressure, less pressure on Brown and freeze them up to do more.
00:58:01
So I think they're vitally important.
00:58:04
But I don't think from a receptions and yardage and that type of standpoint that it's it's too reliant on them.
00:58:10
I would say No, Rico, he's super Chatto, saying we missed his message.
00:58:15
So I I spent some time scrolling back and I got to Rico went off.
00:58:19
If you haven't had a chance to watch or listen to the RICO report, you can catch the RICO report audio over on the Buffalo Fanatics Podcast Network.
00:58:26
You can catch the video right here on YouTube, right back in the playlist behind where our podcast will be for our podcast or Big Guest will be.
00:58:34
But he says, Can Dawson knock it off? Recover from his uninspiring play.
00:58:40
He's a triple you uninspiring, unsatisfactory, unacceptable.
00:58:45
David Steve.
00:58:46
Three words to describe dolls and knocks.
00:58:48
Okay, I'm done a a rico, we go.
00:58:53
He got a lot of support on Twitter, and I'm from the show on.
00:58:57
You know, people are.
00:58:58
People are starting to kind of turn on Knox a little bit.
00:59:00
And here's my thing with Knox.
00:59:05
I'll hear my three words.
00:59:07
Um uh, let me think Here.
00:59:12
Three words, um, unproductive.
00:59:16
I guess that's another you.
00:59:17
I don't know if that was I don't think Rico put unproductive Aziz one of his use liability.
00:59:24
And I say that from both the receiving and a blocking standpoint, given the penalties and the propensity for drops and I'll say, uh, young, right? I mean, he's still learning.
00:59:36
He's still got talent.
00:59:38
He's still raw.
00:59:39
Andi is young, right? I mean, is it his fault? The bills air putting him in this position know because that we've seen young players succeed, and we've seen young players obviously come right into the league tight ends, obviously one of those positions that's known to be the one of the toughest to transition to in the NFL.
00:59:56
Look at TJ Hawkinson from year one to year two.
00:59:58
Last year had, like one really big game to begin.
01:00:01
The season kind of lived off that all year, but really didn't do a whole lot this year in Year two.
01:00:05
He's kind of flourishing.
01:00:06
He's been very steady this year, so you know, knocks.
01:00:10
Maybe that takes him a little, like another year or two longer because of his, you know, lack of experience from college.
01:00:15
So, um, tight end knowing that I'll get I'm willing to give him more chances.
01:00:20
But I will say he's been, you know, unreliable and a liability.
01:00:26
A za main.
01:00:27
Two words there.
01:00:28
Here's what I'll say overused.
01:00:30
I only I only need two words.
01:00:31
I don't need three overused, underdeveloped like Why is it that Sean McDermott seems like he can wait forever on some of these rookies like, you know, Dane Jackson, Levi Wallace A.
01:00:44
J.
01:00:45
Vanessa like he can be as patient as as can be Matt Milano a couple like a couple years ago.
01:00:49
He can be as patient as can be with some of these guys, and he can make them inactive every week forever.
01:00:54
And he could do all these things and he can slowly develop them and and build the process into them.
01:00:59
But he feels the need to rush off the Knox under the field every week.
01:01:03
Overuse, underdeveloped like that's like the old.
01:01:06
That's like the old slogan used at work over, Over Under promise Over.
01:01:11
Deliver right to tell someone you're going to get him something by Friday and you get it to him by Thursday.
01:01:17
It's a classic quality air Con comes into super showers appreciator, super shares, he says.
01:01:21
With the weekend performing the Super Bowl halftime show and the Bills get to the Super Bowl so I can die happy.
01:01:27
Every position is important on each side.
01:01:29
The ball knocks.
01:01:30
Got to step it up soon.
01:01:31
I agree.
01:01:32
You know it.
01:01:33
Z 1/11 Ondas Faras the weekend there as far as the weekend goes, listen, um, that blinding light song that they played on the ESPN promo for the Bills Texans playoff game last year that song.
01:01:46
Ah, some slaps, Man This song Baaps I love the Ticktock song Big tick Tock song Is it a big tick tock song? Tick? I'm not I'm not keen on the tick, tick talking or the tick tacking.
01:01:59
But that song sound pretty pretty dope to me.
01:02:05
I'm like this Steve Buscemi mean right now just walking on the skateboard.
01:02:09
Uh, but, uh, yeah, it should be interesting.
01:02:12
Hopefully the Buffalo Bills we But where is it? In Tampa Bay? Tampa Bay? Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay? They said that someone made of a good comment on Twitter like, wouldn't it be so Hollywood if Jamis Winston takes the Saints to the Super Bowl and then wins wins against, like Brady in Tampa Bay against his old team? Oh, I guess he wouldn't play the Tampa Bay.
01:02:34
But maybe, you know, James gets the super Will that be pretty? Someone Dresden, Dresden, Latin, Non last name says I'm not a troll.
01:02:44
I got a time out for absolutely no reason.
01:02:47
I'll tell you right now, whoever did it, I don't know.
01:02:50
But my policy is unless you're spam.
01:02:51
I usually don't block you, so I know who did.
01:02:53
It wasn't me, I'll tell you that.
01:02:55
I haven't done anything.
01:02:56
Somebody off one of my so welcome back, uh, enjoy the last five minutes or so.
01:03:03
But yeah, it's ah, who? Alright, guys, chat section Anything else for us before we head on out of here to watch what Vikings And there's there's garbage.
01:03:20
I mean, if you like, if you're still stinging a little bit, it's not, like, necessarily a game.
01:03:24
You must watch.
01:03:25
So, you know, like I said before, we came on and go watch like a Hallmark movie with the wife.
01:03:29
Get yourself away from football thing.
01:03:32
This is us is on tomorrow night.
01:03:33
Man were a bank. This is us household.
01:03:35
Yeah, I like.
01:03:37
I'll say it. I put my Christmas tree up yesterday.
01:03:39
Do we put our Christmas tree up two weeks ago? E actually like like, all upset.
01:03:45
She was all upset because of the pandemic and just it's It's been a rough like I usually go.
01:03:51
Go ahead, go ahead.
01:03:52
I used to go home for the holidays.
01:03:54
I'm not going home.
01:03:55
Everyone's just feeling sad is ****.
01:03:57
So we put the Christmas tree up like trip like a week and a half ago.
01:04:01
I like it makes me happy, man.
01:04:04
It makes me happy.
01:04:05
Buffalo Mafia news has been clamoring for this comment.
01:04:08
Talking about Vanessa getting hurt, celebrating, celebrating.
01:04:11
I didn't.
01:04:12
I was I believe so.
01:04:13
I believe so. He had one tackle.
01:04:15
It was the nice one.
01:04:16
And then he got hurt and was out.
01:04:18
I think he's going to be OK after my week, but I was ****ed drunk during that game.
01:04:22
I remember very little of it, E remember.
01:04:26
But I was I was pretty blitzed during that kid e I had the well, I went to Trader Joe's and I got a big cans of, uh, big cans of the church music I p a ripped through like you just got done saying how you weren't drinking as many beers because you went to the doctor.
01:04:49
Was that today that you know? But that's probably why I got so because your tolerance is lower all this way, e can't hold my bear away.
01:04:59
That's a lie I need It was way, but we're not gonna talk about that.
01:05:03
I want you just fat shame me every day in the comments section until I lose the amount of weight that I need. Thio.
01:05:08
Um All right.
01:05:09
So, ladies and gents, anything little for us before we go.
01:05:13
Any comments? Thoughts on Singletary.
01:05:16
I like that one from from Astro.
01:05:17
55. Thoughts on Devin Singletary.
01:05:19
Yeah.
01:05:20
Here's what to say.
01:05:21
It's not the running backs fault.
01:05:22
I really don't think it's the running backs ball.
01:05:23
There was a ton of people who are on the lady in Bel Train, and I get it like he's a decent player.
01:05:27
And Jordan Howard got cut today, and I haven't seen anyone proposed that we signed Jordan Howard.
01:05:32
But don't It's not the running backs fault.
01:05:34
Zach Moss is a good running back.
01:05:35
Devin Singletary is a good running back.
01:05:36
T J Yeldon is a good running back.
01:05:39
Yeah, you're not blocking for him.
01:05:41
Uh, Andrea Baker, That, um I'll tell you what, Um oh, here's a good question for you.
01:05:52
Chase lights are blinking lights for you on your tree, blinking.
01:05:57
I go solid.
01:05:58
I don't do any blinking or chase.
01:05:59
We went last always thinking this year, but here's my issue with Baker, okay? Like and what he was accused of with some messed up stuff like some really hardcore stuff.
01:06:12
And the charges were dropped because the lawyer was extorting him.
01:06:18
So does that mean that he didn't do it? Or does that mean he did it? But he's getting off. Yeah.
01:06:24
Is it like, a legal reason he's getting like, actually, Yeah, like if he did it and you just got away with it? I don't know.
01:06:35
But DeAndre Baker was my CB one in that draft.
01:06:38
Hey, was my favorite corner in that draft.
01:06:40
I really was a big fan of him.
01:06:42
I was.
01:06:43
I was shocked, shocked at how he flamed out there in New York so quickly.
01:06:49
I really like that draft that they had outside of Dale Jones because Donald Jones is a career back up.
01:06:53
Um extra Lawrence.
01:06:57
Great pick up.
01:06:58
Look at the Giants interior.
01:06:59
That defensive line with Delvin and Williams and Dexter Lawrence.
01:07:03
Hey, if you invest in some big fatties, good things come Thio Defense has played pretty well this year.
01:07:08
Honestly, good things when you invest in big fat guys like their problem has, they haven't been ableto hold onto the ball like that.
01:07:15
Defense is actually pretty good.
01:07:16
And, like, honestly, they they could win that division.
01:07:20
They could.
01:07:21
The Giants could win that division.
01:07:23
Honestly, I mean, obviously, anybody can at this point, considering how bad it is.
01:07:27
But hey, beat the Eagles yesterday.
01:07:29
Um, so you know, that division is up for grabs? Um, anyone else Got anything? Do you think we're gonna have a mini rebuilt? We will not fat shame, Steve.
01:07:40
We were encouraged him and be there for a glutton for punishment.
01:07:45
He's a glutton for punishment.
01:07:47
So, um oh, my God.
01:07:51
So one person had a question.
01:07:53
Do you think we're gonna have a mini rebuild this offseason cap situation given the captain? Well, maybe it's like, Is it a mini? Is it a mini sell off? I mean, yeah, I think we could see.
01:08:05
I mean, I don't think burning Butler's back.
01:08:07
I think you could see Jerry Hughes go.
01:08:08
There's a pretty decent cap.
01:08:10
There's a pretty decent car production for letting Jerry Hughes go, so you might have to double.
01:08:14
You might have to double down on Mario Addison.
01:08:17
Josh Norman in Jackson, Dean Jackson.
01:08:20
Mhm giving you some quick hitters outside that Oliver's performance, I think, make Geary said it best, um, in one of his tweets, he said.
01:08:29
He's a good football player, but I was expecting great mhm to me.
01:08:33
I think that's what it waas like.
01:08:34
I'm not saying I was expecting Aaron Donald, but I was expecting, like, high impact football player and maybe that will come.
01:08:41
Maybe that will come.
01:08:42
But right now he's just a good football player.
01:08:44
Eyes it possible.
01:08:46
Is it young like possible that two years in a row? It just happened to me that the the best player on the board felt the Bills with Oliver and EPA Nesa and it just they just had felt like they had to take him.
01:08:59
And it just it may turn out that they're just kind of like good players.
01:09:03
Yeah, but I mean, they're good.
01:09:05
They're gonna be good place.
01:09:06
I still Vanessa's still freaking me out.
01:09:09
He looks nothing like he looked in college.
01:09:11
Someone tell me that dude shedding £25.
01:09:14
Ah, he looks like a tall He looks like a like a skinny tight end to me like it's weird e losing my mind.
01:09:23
No, he's like a He's like a tall A J.
01:09:25
Klein is what he looks like.
01:09:27
Like This dude was literally huge in college, actually, way more than 6 ft 6 £280 left hand in college.
01:09:37
And he and, uh, and and he looks like he's 6622 50. Dude.
01:09:44
Looks like he lost £30 to answer the questions in the chat.
01:09:47
What happened up? And I said he fell down celebrating when he made it, uh, got a concussion.
01:09:53
He was out for the rest of the game.
01:09:54
Uh, yeah.
01:09:55
Daniel says trend.
01:09:56
Murphy's contracts fires of this season, so that will be a relief.
01:09:59
A cap relief, obviously.
01:10:01
Um, you know, in Seki expires after this season as well.
01:10:06
You gotta replace it.
01:10:07
You need a event.
01:10:09
You need to swing back like that. Cost money.
01:10:12
Yeah.
01:10:13
Um, so you have to draft those guys.
01:10:14
So, uh, I think we have that $5 million cap hit for a J. Klein next year.
01:10:19
Yeah. Really hard.
01:10:20
Yeah, It happens all the time.
01:10:23
Ferrell in Las Vegas has the same stance is over, but also the same time.
01:10:27
Sometimes it just takes players a little while.
01:10:28
Like look, Dan Dan Williams, who went from the Jets.
01:10:31
The giants sometimes It just takes a while for to click with some of these players.
01:10:34
So, um yeah, Leonard one Dan Williams.
01:10:38
But I just They're to me.
01:10:43
I'm not willing to say, like, I'm not willing to make something about at Oliver's career.
01:10:50
20 games like 25 games in Like I just I'm not ready to do it.
01:10:54
Like talk to me at the end of his rookie contract.
01:10:57
Just like I'm I tell people the time.
01:10:59
Talk to me. Talk to me next year.
01:11:01
Talk to me next year, this time about turning lemons like when terrain Emmons was going through that slide and people were talking about making an outside linebacker and they're freaking the F out.
01:11:09
I really said, Talk to me next year. I don't give a ****.
01:11:12
He's only 20 to figure it out, we'll figure it out.
01:11:15
And if he doesn't, he's just a really good outside linebacker.
01:11:17
But, like, I was like, I'm not losing sleep over it.
01:11:19
You should need uh, Rico makes a comment that I hit on earlier 217 Russian with Cardinals soak on that six yards for Russia Chase Edmunds was at seven yards like brush Kenyan Drake over six per carry to 17 on the ground for the Cardinals.
01:11:32
I mentioned that the Pastie was largely pretty good, but I mean again, Team didn't really have Cardinals don't have to pass that much.
01:11:39
But when they did have to pass down in the red zone in the tight area, that bills for the most part held up other than the college Marie Russian T's.
01:11:46
But yeah, the to 17 on the ground is a concern, especially, Yeah, I mean, it probably was.
01:11:54
It probably was.
01:11:55
I mean, they would have had better if they would have had, like, bigger horses down the middle of that defense.
01:12:01
They probably have had more success, and it wouldn't That is bad.
01:12:04
But, yeah, we wanted It wasn't e guess.
01:12:06
It was an improvement over the chief's game.
01:12:08
If we do, I'm convinced that Harrison Phillips was hurt like that.
01:12:13
He's just not back from that a c L.
01:12:14
Because, you know, most film guys said through Harrison Phillips, first, whatever.
01:12:20
Like he was okay.
01:12:21
Like whatever he was an average player. Whatever.
01:12:23
Rotational defensive tackle, blah blah, blah.
01:12:24
And then, like the first two games last year, everyone was like Harrison Phillips has arrived than what happens.
01:12:30
The dude terraces HBO and he's out.
01:12:33
And he comes back this year and he's thrown right into the defensive tackle.
01:12:37
You know, Fray.
01:12:38
He could star Lotulelei out, and he's just slow to get back.
01:12:42
So part of me thinks that maybe, you know, hair.
01:12:46
Harrison Phillips, the Bills.
01:12:48
They're just buying their time until the offseason on.
01:12:50
They just want to get his body right.
01:12:51
And you know next year will be will be the will be the making or breaking year for Harrison Phillips.
01:12:59
Like something just tells me that there's something ain't right with that dude.
01:13:01
Like, there's no other reason why he would be inactive for Justin Zimmer, who played, like 27% of stars.
01:13:09
Yeah, or Mitch Morse.
01:13:11
Who, uh, Tim play.
01:13:13
Unless it was an emergency.
01:13:15
Uh, anyway, so therapy was good tonight, man.
01:13:21
Uh, going over those, uh, old good place made me feel a little better.
01:13:26
I feel cleansed.
01:13:27
Anyone's got any more big, big time bills plays in the in the hamper.
01:13:33
Let us know where Cem Cem memorable bills plays of the last 15 20 years.
01:13:37
Some DeAndre Hopkins Hail Mary.
01:13:39
Where? The place? Well, I don't know about that.
01:13:41
But Stevie Johnson's three touchdown game against the Bengals stands out.
01:13:45
That was a nice one.
01:13:47
Um, I mentioned that Lee Evans to 83 yarders against the Texans.
01:13:51
That was pretty good.
01:13:52
Um, I mean beast mode.
01:13:55
Scoring a touchdown in his first game as a rookie against the Broncos was the Boston Buffalo.
01:14:01
Uh huh.
01:14:02
There you go.
01:14:03
There's a guy who developed over time Marshawn Lynch.
01:14:05
Where was that when he was in Buffalo? I mean, way got the Sam Adams pick six.
01:14:10
Alright, I'm just I'm racking my brain, man.
01:14:14
Uh, that's what someone says.
01:14:17
Phillips is not even close, doubling the surgery.
01:14:19
Come on, give me your That's what That's what I'm saying.
01:14:20
So what I'm saying? All right, So, um all right, ladies and gentlemen, I think that will just about do it again.
01:14:28
Apologies for not having the phone lines up and activated as we are trying to do every Monday.
01:14:33
We did that last week.
01:14:35
We will get it rolling.
01:14:36
Maybe Thursday.
01:14:37
Well, Thursday Since we don't have a preview this week, we'll do the We'll do the Collins Thursday.
01:14:42
I'm trying to get a special guest for Thursday.
01:14:44
But if we get said Special Guest, we might have to push our show back to nine.
01:14:48
Because the man is gonna work on that is Mr Kevin Garrard.
01:14:52
Talk about the Miami Dolphins.
01:14:54
So he's been insufferable lately in the chair.
01:14:58
I love Kev.
01:14:59
He's the man.
01:15:00
Like a man is a lightning rod.
01:15:02
He brings ratings, he brings the ratings, man, I'm telling you, he could be, although I'm sure tow us.
01:15:09
Or to him, we are insufferable, too.
01:15:11
So, like Pierre is probably so insufferable to Kevin, just like Kevin's to Pierre.
01:15:16
So it's really funny.
01:15:18
But I love Kev.
01:15:19
He's a great guy, and he'd be fun to have on the show, so that'd be That'd be great.
01:15:23
Alright, So, ladies and gentlemen, until next time that'll do it for us, I will actually be back tomorrow night.
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Special version of the Rico report will be me, Joe Miller, Wired and Clay TROIA.
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So we'll be back at it tomorrow night to talk Buffalo bills in place of Rico.
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So big week here above all, fanatics, we take no vacations even when the bills are taking vacations.
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