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00:00:35
next family was popping.
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It's your boy.
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I got my brother, Tony Crow here.
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We got some other people that's gonna be popping in soon enough.
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We're gonna go ahead and get this thing live.
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And yo, it's n betrayed day.
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Or at least they they started having the ability to trade today or to, or to finalize trade agreements.
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Today so far has only really been one big trade that's happened.
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But it does impact the New York Knicks, and we're gonna talk about that.
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We're gonna talk about Russell Westbrook, James Harden and anything else that might go down.
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We got to draft in two days.
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Uh, let's go ahead and get this thing popping, man.
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Tony Crow.
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What's popping with your brother? How you feeling? I'm good.
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I'm good.
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Shout out to the chat. You're like this time.
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Yo, man, it's gonna be a lot more movement, man.
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Well, I mean, the thing is, the thing is, this today just opened up the ability for the Knicks to make for any team, not just the Knicks.
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For any team in the n b A to make trades, it just opened up.
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You know, the ability doesn't mean that they had to make trades today.
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You know what I'm saying? So I do expect that there's gonna be more moves.
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We're gonna see more moves at some point.
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Obviously.
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The biggest move today.
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Hey, Cp three to the Phoenix Suns.
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Right. That's the biggest move today.
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Um, tell me, God, you guys tell me.
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Tell me what you think about that Trade CP three to the Phoenix Suns.
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And how does it impact the New York Knicks? Obviously, we know how it impacts the Knicks.
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He's not coming to the New York Knicks, right? But it probably impacts him in other ways, but go ahead.
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Somebody somebody started off for me.
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No, I'm gonna I'm gonna make it easy.
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The sun's got that much better that the Dallas Mavericks, they're gonna be lower than them.
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So that's, you know, next year's for us.
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Uh, I mean, the sun's definitely got better, right? So now you got you got a point guard that came, um, get the ball out of Devon Booker's hands and let him play off the ball.
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I mean, they already had that with Ricky Rubio, but ah, better point guard.
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A better smarter point guard.
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who could score the basketball.
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Great basketball like you, you know, has the fire and the desire behind them.
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And he's in Phoenix, a place where, you know, ah, lot of older vets.
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They go to Phoenix and they get some new life because of the weather and all that kind of stuff.
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You know, there's a little bit of Zen going on in Arizona that helps some of these older players rejuvenate their careers.
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You know what I mean? Um, so it takes him off the table for the New York Knicks.
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Though Snow knows on the table for the New York Knicks, some people might be disappointed.
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Some some people may be like, Okay, that's cool, whatever.
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But it has implications for the New York Knicks, regardless, not just because he won't be in New York Knick.
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But if the Knicks plan on making a trade for point guard because I truly believe that, Yeah, the Knicks are not looking to the draft for their point guard for the season.
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It's either through trade or free agency, right, So right now you got a couple of options off the table, then the shooters off the table, so that's where the Los Angeles Lakers Chris Paul, off the table was on his way.
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Okay, see you guys talk to me about who's left.
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I don't even know what we're talking.
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Well, we'll just talk trades first.
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Let's talk trades first.
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Who's who's left on the trade market? Is there? Are there any point guards left on the trade market besides Russell Westbrook E.
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You got Russell Westbrook.
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You know that.
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You know he's there.
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And you know the Knicks are interested.
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And, you know, the Knicks air talking.
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I don't care what no one says.
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You know, the Knicks are interested and they're talking.
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Then if that was that, was that happened? It doesn't happen the next time giving up their assets for they want him on the low.
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If they can't get him on a loan, sign out. Arrest Westbrook.
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I think if they if they want to rest Westbrook.
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We had had them already, just like how sons got.
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Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait but etc. Etc. Etc.
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Just because it hasn't happened already doesn't mean that they don't want him, and it doesn't mean that they're not talking on negotiating.
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Remember, there's also this whole thing with James Harden.
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That makes it where? Okay, there's this thing with James Harden.
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So if Houston is also gonna move James Harden, they're also gonna move.
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Russell Westbrook.
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What's that mean for Houston? That means that now they are breaking down their roster.
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They are rebuilding.
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They are restarting, right? So that that means there's a lot of moving parts.
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And so they may be looking to move a lot of different contracts, which means there could be three team trades going on, you know, discussions of three team trades and all that kind of stuff, right? So I'm not going to say if it was going to happen and would have happened because there could be a lot of parts moving.
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Well, guess what? I don't think the Knicks were gonna do it, because guess what? We don't have to.
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And if Houston's action for something out of pocket, I'm glad they're not even looking that way because I think that's what they're gonna do.
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If they're looking to break up that team, they're looking for assets, and most likely they will be asking, and then they just don't want to give up.
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So in that case.
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If you're trying to stronghold us, it ain't happening.
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I'm glad it ain't.
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But I'm just saying you don't know what is happening.
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You know, you don't know what's happening.
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Because they could also be looking for cap space.
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So, um, and your question, what other team do you do? You see Russell's We're going to What? You before you go that far, Mark, Who's Mark? You might consider that the Knicks, maybe asking for too much from Phoenix and Phoenix, may not be wanting to give up.
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I mean, Houston may not be wanting to give up a lot.
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Like, for instance, the Knicks Maybe wanting broke and Robert Covington in the deal, right? You know, because because it solves it.
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Solves to position needs for the Knicks.
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Like a three d wing, a small forward, because last year, Mohawk list with the small forward.
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And if you don't think Robert Covington is an upgrade, then what s what s O.
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Okay, So So you don't think that that teams are interested in Robert Covington? Why would I bring on an extra 50 50 some 50 plus million dollars? They look looking to get rid of three player he's in the lead.
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Three and the wing you could get.
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You could solve your point guard issue for three years, and you could bring on an Elite three and the wing from a team that's looking to rebuild so we can give them rebuild.
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Rebuild pieces.
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A three and a Nelly three D wing at age 30 is not as valuable to a rebuilding team and say draft picks or young players.
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So Houston is in a desperate situation, right? Because they could either keep Russell Westbrook, James Harden.
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James Harden would save James Harden will be traded, right? Alright, treat.
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First they get what they get by, and then they come to the next to say blah, blah, blah, the next say, no.
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We don't have to trade for Russell Westbrook.
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That is the greatest thing about what the place that makes it right now.
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So whatever you still want to do is either they want to keep that contract.
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No.
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One I know they don't want to because of that money and what has been lost from the owner and you got rid of James Harden.
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What's the point of keeping Russell Westbrook? So in that case, if they're acting force that they're trying to stronghold the next and the next say no.
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Give me Russell Westbrook.
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Just just because you want to get rid of that contract, that's the thing.
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They want to get rid of that contract.
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And we're the perfect thing that to absorb it.
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So that's more than enough.
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What's more than enough? Eso Mark I understand.
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I understand everything that you're saying.
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What I'm saying to you is, you know, it's like like you're right, Okay? The Knicks, you know, don't wanna be, you know, they don't wanna be fleeced.
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What I'm saying is, still there could be conversations going on, right? Just because it hold up, hold up.
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Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it's not gonna happen.
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It just means that it hasn't happened yet.
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It could happen, right? It could happen.
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But who else, if not Russell Westbrook, which I do believe that the Knicks are probably talking with Houston and in discussions with Okay, Alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, relax and in discussion with Houston.
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You know about Russell Westbrook and the way that things are laid out with the Houston Rockets right now And what James Harden wants to do.
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Houston is probably looking at You know what? We're going to restart. We're gonna rebuild.
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What do we need to rebuild? So what do they need to rebuild? They need cap space place.
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They needs.
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They need cap space.
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They need picks.
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If they're gonna bring back players, they need players on short contracts.
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The Knicks have burned with that.
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Okay.
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The Knicks have all of that, Andy? Yeah, I was I was going to say about the you know, the point guards you asked that are still on the market.
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For one.
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The pelicans are shipping, shopping, Uh, drew holiday.
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But from what? The rumors are that they're getting plenty off offers and they are just picking the best offer for them, you know? So that's that's one thing on the other.
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You know, scenario side.
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I think Ricky Rubio went to the O.
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K.
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C.
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Thunder in that deal, but I'm pretty sure that they are well, waiting with that deal toe.
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Get it done on Sunday because that's gonna be available.
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Some capital applications are available, you know, from sunday on, right.
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So I'm thinking they're gonna make the deal official on Sunday until that point, I think they can find another team to get Ricky Rubio off their hands.
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So I think repeal Ricky Rubio might be available as well.
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Not to mention free agents like Rajon Rondo, because he's not gonna be coming back to the, you know, to the Lakers since they got any shorter.
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And you go on the Clippers, bro.
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Yeah.
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Then we were talking about it that he made.
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He might jump ship, you know, and just go to the Clippers and, you know, off course on the rest is like, you know, here, you know, I don't know 345 even like D.
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J.
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Augustine and stuff like that.
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So, you know, I'm not gonna mention you, for example, because, you know, he's probably just waiting for the biggest offer as the money goes.
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And he was actually saying this on the JJ Red**** podcast that, you know, he got a chip.
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He wants to run a team, and he's not gonna lie.
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He's 26 years old, and he's gonna back the money, right? So, you know? Yeah.
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So I'm guessing he he really is gonna go for the money.
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And I hope the next won't give him the money, though.
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He is moving, losing leverage with the CPS radio.
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He's losing leverage.
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Every trade that happens is work for him.
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So we know Maybe if he's gonna wait till, like, you know, I don't know.
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Someday, Andi later on, he's gonna be getting around.
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I don't know, 20 even less than 20.
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But, you know, I don't see that happening.
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I see some teams throwing the bag at him as well.
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So here's the thing with the Knicks, and the Knicks are gonna make a move for Make a trade.
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It probably needs to happen by 3 p.
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m.
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Tomorrow because of those contracts, because off, because of the Alfred Peyton's and Taj Gibson in those guys because of their contracts, the Knicks have to make a decision on those guys.
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Alfred, Peyton, Bobby Portis, Right, Taj Gibson.
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Who else is in there? Whoever else is in there, Reggie Bullock, right? The Knicks have to make a decision on whether or not they're going to keep these guys, or they're gonna waive them right if they're going to keep them in their contracts, become fully guaranteed.
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Wayne Ellington.
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There's another guy forgot. Wayne Ellington.
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They're gonna keep on those contracts, become fully guaranteed if they're gonna waive them.
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Did they only have to pay him a million dollars for 24,021 then they're off the books.
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Any team, but they trade them to that contract.
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Goes with them.
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Okay, so there are trade ships, the Knicks.
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If they're going to make a move, they're probably gonna use one or two of those guys in a trade to help a team like the Rockets or whoever else shed some salary.
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That means that they've got to make a move.
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They don't have to, but it's more than likely that if they make a move, is going to be done by 3 p.m. Tomorrow.
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But they could do it up until Thursday, Right? No, I believe tomorrow is Wait a minute.
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Wait a minute.
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Wait a minute.
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When does I'm sorry? I'm sorry.
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That's right.
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Not tomorrow Thursday, Up until up until the 19th.
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My best E, right? I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, let me correct myself.
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They have until 3 p.m. On the 19th.
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So if they're going to make a deal, it's going to be till three PM on the 19th.
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Not tomorrow, the 19th.
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So I just want to correct myself there.
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All right, so they have some time.
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They have 123 days.
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So just because it didn't happen today doesn't mean that, you know, something is not gonna happen.
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Especially if the Rockets are breaking down their roster.
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You know, that means a lot of moves could take place.
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The Rockets have, you know, pieces that, you know the rest of the league might want those PJ talkers, Robert Covington's Eric Gordon's.
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Those are players that are gonna be needed from championship contender teams.
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Yeah, eso again if the Knicks are gonna make a move expected before 3 p.
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m.
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On Thursday, because that's when contracts like the Elfrid Payton's the Bobby Portis is Wayne Ellington's.
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The Knicks got to decide whether or not they are going to, um, whether or not they're gonna keep him or wave them or another team if they're gonna keep him or if they're gonna waive them.
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So what's up interest right now? With that, do we should we make a deal before on this draft for or should we just wait and do it after you think a graphic okay, on draft day, I think is the best time to do it.
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Because then we could see what we could be able to work out with the teams that are trying to move down or whether we want to move down.
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E I agree.
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I agree with that on draft day because teams kind of start to get themselves into a pinch when it's on draft day, right? They get themselves into a little bit of a pinch.
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Um, where they are, kind off.
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You know, it's a high pressure moment.
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And when it's a high pressure moment, you know your adrenaline is pumping.
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You think a little bit less, you know, now you're supposed to have a group of people in there in the war room.
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But sometimes it happens with the entire group on Draft Day is probably the best time to make a deal.
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Yeah, God, Andy.
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Yeah, And you know, I agree with you guys.
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But the most important thing about those deals on draft nights that if a team selects a dude and then trace him, they can trade the next year respect because they made the selection so that's important because you can't trade pigs and consecutive years.
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So if we do it before the draft, the team that would be trading the draft pick has toe.
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You know, their block.
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They can't trade the pick from the next year, right? So that's that's pretty much important.
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That's why the Lakers can finalize the deal for shorter, because they're sending 28th pick toe.
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Okay, see? So they're gonna pick. They make them.
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They're gonna make the pick for, you know, for the O.
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K C Thunder.
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So the guy's gonna wear the probably the hat, and then he's gonna go off, you know, and and change the hat that That's no basic logic for that.
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I don't think it a little bit in the communication. The Knicks.
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I think we need to do a trade before the draft, establish a direction, go into the draft with a clear mind set on who you wanna pick with spots that are available.
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Say, for instance, if you pull or Russell Westbrook and Robert Covington deal in this hypothetical, then at eight at eight, you know that you don't necessarily need the point guard of the future at eight or a wingman of the future at eight.
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Because you just traded for You know, I'm saying it gives you to me.
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I think it gives you time to to look at your Rasta, that best for more is gone and move in a direction of team.
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Look, you know e on li se se 24 48 hours difference.
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A difference.
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But in my in my when she when she direction, you could probably, you know, draft better.
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Basically Islam getting it and see.
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But see, I I think I mean, I agree with you.
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I understand, right? You make a move, and then you can You can kind of understand what you need.
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I don't think the knicks if they trade for Westbrook, if they trade for Mike Conley, whoever it is or if they don't trade for those guys, I don't think they're finding their point guard of the future at eight.
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That's my opinion.
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I don't think they're finding that guy.
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Eight.
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Um and I don't think they want to go into the season with a rookie or Frank or D S J.
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At point guard.
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E I don't think exactly not what, Thibodeau.
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I don't think they want to go into the season with those guys. That point guard.
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I think that they are looking to bring in a veteran point guard.
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Yeah, or a veteran.
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Ah, veteran point guard or somebody that moves the needle or both, right in one player, Chris Paul was kind of that guy, right? That that, you know, moves the needle a little bit.
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Brings that veteran point guard knowledge.
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He's gone.
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He's off the table, you know? Now where do they find that guy who knows, Right? Who knows if they were Web brokers? I mean, I mean Westbrook Westbrook.
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You know, he's a possibility form, but I don't think they're gonna over pay.
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I really don't, uh, from Tommy beer.
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This is from Tommy Beer.
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Just a couple of minutes ago, he says If the Rockets trade Russell Westbrook this week, they reportedly may have to settle for a package highlighted by Julius Randle in Dennis Smith Jr.
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That's perfect, and I'll do that.
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I will do that all day long.
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You send, you send out you send out $26 million in in in in cap space, right? You send out $26 million you bring back west was Russell Westbrook.
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You eat 14 million.
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So 14 million tears into your cap space.
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He still got 26 to $30 million.
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Suspending free agency.
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Yep, Right now, the Knicks are holding out being easy for a trade like that.
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That's what you dio I will do all day long and every day on Sunday.
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Here's the thing, and this is A lot of people don't realize this.
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The Knicks have almost all the leverage in this Russell Westbrook's all.
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They have all the leverage because they're one of the few teams, if not the only team that has enough cap space to even take on the contract at all and the draft picks and everything like that.
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So I think that we could be able to make this deal happen without giving up too much and by not giving up too much, I mean, not having to give up any of the future graphics, maybe one and a second round or something like that, but nothing crazy.
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I mean, Knicks can still get this veteran guy who could be a star who could be the outfall on the team and still build for the future, and still, but this is exactly what they're saying.
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Since the beginning, when everything was happening.
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We can go out and get someone like this and still take care of the future as well.
00:22:00
Okay, All right.
00:22:02
Now, let me ask you if this happens, let's say let's say it happens.
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Diehard.
00:22:09
Let's say this happens, Right? Um, Julius Randle, Dennis Smith, Jr.
00:22:14
They get traded for Russell Westbrook.
00:22:18
Okay.
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And probably, you know, maybe a low.
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Maybe a low round draft pick or something like that.
00:22:23
Uh, has to go along with it.
00:22:26
Now, what do the Knicks What did the Knicks looking at at eight, if that happens, Yeah.
00:22:32
Uh, yeah, you're looking.
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You're looking for you looking for a big, I guess.
00:22:36
You know, toe full of that void with Julius Randle, because, I mean, you're gonna have Westbrook.
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You're gonna need somebody to run out there with them and protect whatever it is we kind of got.
00:22:44
We kind of got wings or whatever.
00:22:46
I mean, we have money to, so we disguise the living with us, right? We like John said we could just sit back with a feed up and just just let them talk to us now.
00:22:54
We don't want that now.
00:22:55
We don't want that.
00:22:56
You know, we don't We don't have to worry about none of that.
00:22:57
You know, we're in the driver's.
00:22:59
That's what I was saying.
00:23:01
That's why the next.
00:23:02
That's why Nix was looking at Isaiah Stewart from Washington because he's a powerful that will fill that space.
00:23:08
Incredible Motor could shoot, could spread the floor and could rebound.
00:23:12
So I think they're gonna be looking at him at 27th pick and at eight at, if I was the next eight.
00:23:19
If I get Russell Westbrook on a deal like that, I'm trading that.
00:23:22
I'm trading down with Boston.
00:23:23
Give me 14, 26 30 and then I could get numerous of wings and other shooters in and other bigs and do it like that.
00:23:30
That's what I would do because I'm not.
00:23:32
I'm not too sure.
00:23:33
Another eight.
00:23:34
All right, go ahead, Josh.
00:23:37
The Knicks should go after best player available that they're available like that because because we need talent.
00:23:45
It's a talent problem on this team.
00:23:46
It's not necessarily a fit problem.
00:23:48
It's a talent problem.
00:23:49
Last year when we had Julius Randle and R.
00:23:52
J.
00:23:53
Barrett.
00:23:54
People were saying that Julius Randle was crippling R.
00:23:55
J. Barrett, but that was not the case.
00:23:57
The case wasn't just could have enough shooting and enough talent on the roster to be competitive.
00:24:01
So at eight, I'm going out to the best player available and Kobe toppings off the board.
00:24:06
Then we have to start looking at a coral.
00:24:07
We have to start looking at Tyree Tyler Burton, Tyreese, Halliburton.
00:24:11
I think Tyreese Halliburton would be a tremendous hit for the team because I feel like he can come in and play right away, if not in the starting line up off the bench, as 1/6 man or in that rotation.
00:24:21
But I'll be looking at best care available and way.
00:24:24
Can't just look for, like, little pieces that could fit the team here or 50 team here when there's not much challenger Rocky to begin with.
00:24:32
Okay, All right, let me get to this phone.
00:24:34
Call real quick. Quality alive.
00:24:36
What's popping? Hey, send peace to the chat.
00:24:39
My name is Robert, so I'm talking about Wessel Westbrook.
00:24:44
He doesn't play championship basketball.
00:24:48
He is a ball hog.
00:24:51
We should be talking about no water words, but we should not even want him to come nowhere near New York.
00:24:56
A matter of fact, if you go to New York, let him go with that with Durant.
00:25:00
We don't even want Appreciate.
00:25:01
Don't want him.
00:25:03
We don't need him.
00:25:05
You don't We don't need him for really.
00:25:08
We don't need him.
00:25:10
So now listen, I'm not I haven't been the highest personal Russell Westbrook, but I am one who believes if he comes to this team, he changes the trajectory of this team right away.
00:25:24
And you still can.
00:25:25
And you still can have enough assets.
00:25:29
Especially if you get him on the cheap.
00:25:31
Because I can't picture Russell Westbrook and Julius Randle playing together.
00:25:34
Chris, Paul, Julius Randle.
00:25:36
I could have Russell Westbrook of Julius Randle.
00:25:39
No, I think if you're bringing in Russell Westbrook, you gotta You gotta include Julius Randle in that trade.
00:25:44
I just don't see them too.
00:25:45
I can't see.
00:25:46
I don't like the way it looks together, right? But I do believe that if you if you do include Julius Randle, Dennis Smith Jr.
00:25:56
Like we just read from Tommy beer and he was not saying that that's, you know something is definitely gonna goingto happen, He's saying reportedly, That's what Houston may have to accept for Russell Westbrook and you know, some other pieces.
00:26:11
And if it turns out to be that way, then you know the Knicks still have.
00:26:16
I mean, listen, most people didn't don't believe in Dennis Smith Jr Most people don't want Julius Randle, right? So you're not.
00:26:25
It's not like you're giving up a whole lot of cap space because you still got $30 million in cap space.
00:26:29
You would still have your picks.
00:26:31
You would still have your young players, including Mitchell Robinson, including, frankly, Latina, including R.
00:26:36
J.
00:26:37
Barrett, including Kevin Knox.
00:26:38
How are you stopping a rebuild if you do that trade, you are adding, stopping to rebuild.
00:26:44
But what I'm The only thing I'm saying is that he hasn't.
00:26:48
That's why him and Harden couldn't with no chance couldn't get to the championship.
00:26:52
That's why he stopped on the rent into the championship that one year he is a ball hog.
00:26:56
He don't he don't know how he but listen.
00:27:00
But listen, but check it out.
00:27:02
But right now, whether Knicks are we're looking, we're not looking for a championship.
00:27:08
We're looking for respectability.
00:27:11
That's that's where we got to start.
00:27:13
We've got to start with respectability, right? And I think Westbrook brings instant respectability.
00:27:20
Does he bring you to a championship? Maybe not, But he gives you respectability, and he gives you, Uh, okay.
00:27:30
Helps Helps make you relevant.
00:27:32
As long as they could put some pieces around them so that they could be kind of relevant.
00:27:35
And then it gives you You know what people would say.
00:27:38
You know what? Maybe New York is a good place because James Harden, he wants to get out of Houston.
00:27:43
Philly, Philly, Brooklyn, Right? Look what like? No, but listen, but listen to what I'm saying.
00:27:52
Listen, what I'm saying Jew holiday he wants, you know, they're gonna move him from New Orleans.
00:27:59
He, you know, has stated that he wants to go to a team that can consent.
00:28:04
So you don't want to go to a team like the Knicks.
00:28:07
He wants to go to a team that has the ability to put him in a position to make the playoffs right.
00:28:16
It is very hard to attract players, and we could talk about building our own players.
00:28:20
All we want, Yes, you have to build your young players.
00:28:23
But at some point, if you are going to win a championship, you need free agents.
00:28:29
You're gonna have to do it through trades as well.
00:28:31
Name me.
00:28:32
I challenge anyone to name me one team that has won a championship with all homegrown players.
00:28:39
I guarantee you, you can't.
00:28:42
I guarantee you that you're gonna You're gonna need better.
00:28:45
You're gonna need the combination of young players and veterans in order to win a championship.
00:28:51
You need You need a combination, right? So sometimes sometimes you gotta take the steps and you know, the the point in Russell Westbrook.
00:29:00
And I agree with some of the things that just saying because I have the same type of mindset, Although I'm not gonna be mad at the trade for him, you know, I'm gonna root for him, and I'm gonna understand what they're looking to do, right? But we've got to find a way to bring some respectability to the team, right? You know, how do we do it? Look at that.
00:29:20
Look at the division that we play in.
00:29:23
Look at our division and that James Harden goes to either Philly of Brooklyn.
00:29:28
Look at our division.
00:29:29
You got Brooklyn, you got Toronto.
00:29:32
You've got the Celtics.
00:29:34
You got Philly.
00:29:35
And then there's the Knicks.
00:29:37
Like all of those teams right there.
00:29:40
Could potentially contend for the Eastern Conference finals next this upcoming season, except for weeks waiting.
00:29:48
Another piece this year.
00:29:50
Okay.
00:29:52
Respectability, man.
00:29:53
Appreciate the call. Booth.
00:29:55
All right, appreciate way.
00:30:00
Got to expedite the process.
00:30:01
Got good, Josh.
00:30:02
I just want to say something real quick.
00:30:04
The notion that Russell Westbrook was the problem on Houston last year is just complete nonsense.
00:30:09
They went with Mike D'Antoni as the coach, and they got rid of all of their bigs.
00:30:13
The reason why they didn't beat the Lakers because they had no bigs.
00:30:16
You Tucker was playing the five and Russell Westbrook, sometimes in the lineup as a five on the floor.
00:30:22
They had no bigs at all, Actually, reason why they lost.
00:30:25
It wasn't because of Russell Westbrook.
00:30:27
Gosh, it's not about I don't People don't like Russell Westbrook because of his decision making in games.
00:30:34
That is one of the one of the most reasons.
00:30:37
It's not about his efforts, not What you do on the court is about.
00:30:40
When you are high level player, you have to be.
00:30:42
If you're not going to be efficient, you have to be at least smart on the floor.
00:30:46
And there's times where you watch him with the ball and he will kill his own team single handedly.
00:30:53
So people are just afraid off him with the younger guys.
00:30:57
But like I said, I wouldn't trade a ball off boat low fare.
00:31:02
But if I can get him on the cheap, I'm taking him because I need someone that can attack the paint and do things at a consistent rate that we don't have on this team.
00:31:13
So taking him again, you have to look at the next.
00:31:16
We're not a championship team.
00:31:17
We're not gonna be a champion studio, so you're looking like you kind of go in looking like that.
00:31:22
You're setting yourself up to be mad for the next three years, because e.
00:31:27
But I was responding to what he said he made Can Russell Westbrook on Houston last year.
00:31:31
That's why I brought that up, he said.
00:31:32
There was a plane stop.
00:31:34
People don't like this place.
00:31:35
Styles and decision making.
00:31:36
You can't be mad at people feeling the way about Russell Westbrook.
00:31:38
Because it is.
00:31:39
It is.
00:31:40
It is.
00:31:41
It is horrible to watch his decision making as a point guard broke.
00:31:44
It just is.
00:31:45
It's not about his, his character or his, uh, his his integrity.
00:31:50
And again, it's just about the decision making.
00:31:52
And that is a big problem when you're high elite point guards, I tell you what.
00:31:56
Another big I'll tell you what.
00:31:57
Another big problem in New York You can't call him ah, high elite point guard and then questioned his decision Making me an average a triple double drinking.
00:32:06
Oh, let him finish.
00:32:07
Hold on, hold on, Hold on, guys.
00:32:08
We gotta let people finish their sentence first before you say something.
00:32:13
So the decision making is based on on what we perceive would be a positive result, right? What? Seeing the man wide open in the corner for three.
00:32:25
Y'all thinking he should kick it out to that man? But you don't know if that man is knocking down shots.
00:32:31
His need is he even you know what I'm saying? Ready to take the shot? It's like when you see it on TV. You see worse.
00:32:37
Westbrook, look at that man and not pass it to him.
00:32:39
You like, man? He should have kicked it out to that guy in the corner for three.
00:32:42
You don't know if that man has been ice cold or red hot? You know, it seems like the best basketball play, right? But sometimes you gotta realize, what are we thinking in the flow of the game? You know what I'm saying? This, like it's a difference between kicking out in the corner to R. J.
00:33:00
Barrett or frightening Latina.
00:33:01
You know, I'm saying, if I have the ball, I would rather kick it to Frank near Latina, because historic well, the last season, Frankie Latina, Excuse me.
00:33:09
Shot 50% from three in the corner.
00:33:12
You know, I'm saying, do I just give you the Argentine corner? No, I give it to Frank because Frank is better at that shot.
00:33:18
It seems as if you should get it to ah, better offensive plan.
00:33:23
So the decision making peace is not one that you should just look at in the vacuum.
00:33:28
Just like what you watch on film and TV.
00:33:31
You gotta understand what's going on in the flow of the game.
00:33:35
That's all I want to say about what we owe with after eight.
00:33:44
Plus, I gotta averages eight plus assists for his cannot be others.
00:33:50
Thank you, I think.
00:33:52
Well, go ahead. Go ahead.
00:33:55
Because decision making has to do with shot selection.
00:33:58
He has, Ah, horrible socks shot selection.
00:34:00
He will chuck up three shots, you know, in three possessions in a row.
00:34:04
That's the type of that type of player Russell Westbrook is.
00:34:07
What you just said has nothing to do with him not being elite point.
00:34:10
I said He's still in elite point guard, but he has bad decision making.
00:34:15
It's passing within sometimes and is shooting.
00:34:18
He takes bad shots.
00:34:20
He shoots more than Kevin Durant per game.
00:34:22
That shouldn't happen.
00:34:25
All right, let me get Let me get to the Super Chat here.
00:34:27
Then let me get to a phone call.
00:34:29
All right.
00:34:30
Um, Julian Tran.
00:34:33
Thank you for the super chat.
00:34:34
He said assume we trade for Russell Westbrook on a discount.
00:34:37
How would you build the team this off season? Which players do you target? That's a good question, Tony.
00:34:45
I'm gonna come to you, man.
00:34:46
Which players do you target? We trade for Russell Westbrook, who were targeting.
00:34:50
I'm gonna assume if we trade for Russell Westbrook.
00:34:52
I'm going to assume that, um, Julius Randle is gone.
00:34:59
So how much cap space is that? Give us.
00:35:01
So you're looking at Probably I'm going to say anywhere between 26 30 million.
00:35:09
30 million.
00:35:12
And we're willing to go over the cat.
00:35:15
I'm definitely going after, uh, Jeremy Grant.
00:35:19
And you know, the dude from the net.
00:35:24
I'm drawing a blank right now.
00:35:26
Joe Harris.
00:35:27
Harrison like, it's gotta be shooters.
00:35:30
Basically, thank you.
00:35:32
And not just not just shooters.
00:35:35
The reason I wouldn't go after Bell Trans because he's just the shooter.
00:35:39
Like, I need some guys that's gonna play defense.
00:35:43
Um, and Joe Harris and, you know, I mean, he's a little bit of, ah, all around, guy.
00:35:49
He's not just a shooter.
00:35:51
So somebody who could guard the rants and and LeBron's and co wise and then, you know, I mean, somebody who's just a nice all around team player who could shoot.
00:36:03
Okay, those two guys will be on the top of my list.
00:36:06
Okay.
00:36:07
Who else wants to jump in there? Andy You're beautiful.
00:36:15
Yeah, I agree with Tony and with Josh that we're gonna need shooters.
00:36:20
I You know, when which is staying with with Westbrook.
00:36:25
I'm guessing we know that we're gonna have the center position.
00:36:30
Probably locked in with Mitch.
00:36:32
I don't know if Taj Gibson is gonna be no, like that backup center or whatever.
00:36:38
I think the athletic guys on the, you know, high position skyline, Paul, course and centers should be running up the court with Russell Westbrook because there's gonna be a fast paced team we're not gonna be having, you know, those slow mo guys, you know, and back court and, you know, half court offense, Probably.
00:36:59
So I'm guessing those guys like Kevin Knox Mitch on.
00:37:04
I'm gonna flourish with Westbrook.
00:37:06
Okay? All right.
00:37:08
Let me get to a call it real quick that I'm gonna come to you guys call you live.
00:37:10
What's popping? Hey, it's Oscar a while. Listen.
00:37:16
Oscars voices deep.
00:37:18
What happened? Oh, my goodness.
00:37:20
Getting deep and everything.
00:37:22
What's going on, man? How you feeling? Good. Good.
00:37:26
I know it's been a while, but I had to jump in with everything going on.
00:37:29
Like I understand that some people.
00:37:32
Some people are bored of the losing and want to make a, you know, a quick fix move.
00:37:36
And yes, Russ would bring, like you said respectability.
00:37:39
But problem is, as you said, like, Yes, he will not win you a championship.
00:37:43
But he would block any potential trajectory.
00:37:46
This team could have to a championship.
00:37:47
He wasn't an elite player last season.
00:37:49
Bottom line.
00:37:50
He's 32 he realized on athleticism, which, you know, you know, he's just gonna get worse over the next few years if you want to spend a ton of money this offseason, which I don't want to dio.
00:37:59
But if you dio spending, what is he making 45 million on? You know Van Bleak Christian would and Joe Harris not only will win you more games next season, they won't block the development of the rest of our core and their young like they're good assets for the future.
00:38:14
Why would you take on? A 32 year old point guard who is vastly overpaid, is supposed to be an elite finisher but was average at the room last season? Can't score in any other way rather than just building slowly Yes, we are.
00:38:28
The Knicks free agent free agents will come as long as we're not 17 and 65.
00:38:32
Like last year.
00:38:33
I'm not surprised that Katie and Kyrie didn't come because we were awful.
00:38:37
But as long as we're a decent team and maintain our flexibility, we can get start creations and this is not the way to do it.
00:38:44
So tell me what? What did your moves like, What do your moves this offseason? You know, who are you? Who would you focus on? Because, ladies and gentlemen, Oscar is gonna be a GM one day.
00:38:57
I'm telling you, he's gonna be a GM one day.
00:39:01
Who would you focus on? Well, this upcoming draft class is, uh, it's supposed to be elite, and I'm not.
00:39:08
I'm not ever want Thio advocate for tanking, But what I would do is maybe bring in one guy.
00:39:14
I really like Christian would try to get off Randall's money and then just bring in cheap shooting so that are often barely function.
00:39:21
And we can see what we have in our J um, and a dependable point guard, veteran point guard, But nothing, nothing like Chris Paul.
00:39:26
Me like D J.
00:39:27
Augustine.
00:39:28
And what you do is you put your young players in positions on the team where if they succeed, then the team is good and there's no reason to tank because you're young.
00:39:36
Players are good.
00:39:37
If they're they're bad, then you're in the lottery.
00:39:40
What you don't want is for Bobby Portis to when you seven games next year.
00:39:43
Your young players struggle, and you're also, you know, not a top five team.
00:39:47
What you do is you let your young players time push your team in whatever direction that you need to go.
00:39:52
You don't You don't fill your team with six average veterans on team options like we did last year.
00:40:00
Okay, all right, all right.
00:40:02
You guys heard it, Josh, you heard it.
00:40:04
What's your retort, Josh? What's your retort? E.
00:40:09
Said, What? You're okay.
00:40:12
Hey, said his first point that he made was that Russell Westbrook was didn't have a big season last year.
00:40:18
That's what he was suggesting.
00:40:19
Russell Westbrook had a second highest scoring average and its entire career last season.
00:40:23
And Houston, like 20 points.
00:40:26
She just reference points per game.
00:40:28
Get this guy off.
00:40:29
Who is this guy? You say You really think point? Come on.
00:40:35
No one on that team, apart from apart from Harden, can create their own looking Okay.
00:40:41
28 47% from the field and took almost No.
00:40:45
Three. That's awful.
00:40:46
That's awful.
00:40:48
He's been doing that for his entire career, though.
00:40:49
He he wanted M v p by doing that, he won M v P because he averages triple Double that.
00:40:56
That's not that.
00:40:57
Doesn't dictate winning.
00:40:58
If he had to less rebounds, his team would have been just a good He would have been just a valuable but wouldn't want everything.
00:41:03
It's a narrative based award.
00:41:05
It's not. It's not an argument.
00:41:07
Eso you know? So you don't think he deserved it at all? You don't think he would? He deserved to be in that conversation at all.
00:41:12
What you're saying? I was like, I was, like, 10.
00:41:13
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say that I watched him that year, but based on what I've seen and like, stats, which I know we're not everything I mean okay, so let me Okay.
00:41:24
Let me Let me just put this in perspective for you waiting.
00:41:26
Waiting for a draft pick to hit is the equivalent of waiting on the next to go out to someone in free agency.
00:41:32
It's the same thing.
00:41:33
It's the same kind of narrative, because not only okay, if you do get get draft picks and you could get a chance to draft I you have to hit on those draft picks.
00:41:40
It's the same exact thing is waiting around for the next to get a free agent every a couple of years or so.
00:41:45
So all this stuff is talking about building up all these draft picks and waiting and waiting and waiting and tanking and tanking and tanking.
00:41:52
That's not winning basketball.
00:41:54
Good organizations don't lose year after year, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, they become good.
00:42:00
It's a it's a bill.
00:42:01
There's a building process, but you can't continue to tank and lose 60 games per year and expect that somehow and a miracle fashion that we're gonna be good one particular year.
00:42:09
That's that's not how you build winning basketball.
00:42:12
That that is not what I said at all.
00:42:14
What I said was to bring in, you suggested that you making a hold up, hold up jobs, hold up jobs let him finish.
00:42:24
I never said that We can't bring in some solid guys.
00:42:27
Like I said, I said, for example, if I said Joe Harrison, Christian, one thes guys are good players, they're not gonna cost you $45 million.
00:42:36
They're all young, They're going to get better and they can all shoot.
00:42:40
They all fit with a potential star Who would want Who would want to come? That's what you have to do.
00:42:44
That's the best way to build a contender in right now.
00:42:48
I e you.
00:42:50
Did you feel that Bobby Partners and Julius Randle and and Alfred Peyton or with the same kind of guys, you know that? We're just, you know No, I haven't, you know, building that can shoot.
00:43:01
I'm asking that question.
00:43:03
That's a rhetorical question.
00:43:06
What do you say is now? It's a rhetorical question.
00:43:10
Okay, Okay.
00:43:13
E Oscar, Oscar, how would you feel about going after Rondo and Jeremy Grant and not giving up assets and building with a combination of veterans and and our youth? Well, those guys air free agent, so I don't think you have to give up any assets.
00:43:38
Rondo did not have a regular season at all.
00:43:41
And you know, I understand.
00:43:43
Like no one here, including me, watches Lakers games every night.
00:43:48
But apartment playoff? He really was.
00:43:50
He was probably the worst player in the rotation.
00:43:52
So, um, maybe as a as a backup.
00:43:55
Um, but he's not.
00:43:56
He's not something that moves the needle for me.
00:43:57
I really like Jeremy Grant e feel like he fit.
00:44:01
He brings more value to a contender.
00:44:03
Um, sent to us so we probably couldn't give him a much money.
00:44:06
Easy one.
00:44:07
But yeah, like players like that, players like that are what you need.
00:44:11
Thio build like a good landing.
00:44:13
Thought for a for a stark reagent.
00:44:15
Need toe, bring in players.
00:44:16
You can shoot on defense and, um, yeah, that's like That's That's the model stuff he was.
00:44:23
He was Oscar Oscar at the reason why I asked you that question was because that this narrative of bringing them players like that to help get to build a team to build a foundation, that stuff that we've been trying to do for years and that's why I mentioned Julius Randle's and the Bobby Portis is in the market and the Marcus Morris is because We've been doing that for years, and we have not been good.
00:44:42
The Knicks have not won an All Star MVP caliber players that you hear Melo Anthony, and that was the last time I went in the playoffs.
00:44:48
Or Zynga's.
00:44:49
Sorry, Billy's friend is not a good role he doesn't fit with.
00:44:53
He's a ball handling power board who can't.
00:44:56
Who can you turn the ball over As much as he passes? He doesn't fit with the star.
00:45:01
That's not the kind of player I'm talking about.
00:45:03
I'm talking about players whose weaknesses creating their own shot, but they can.
00:45:06
They can do the little things and kind of make life easier for a star.
00:45:10
That's not Julius Randle.
00:45:11
That's not Bobby Portis.
00:45:12
E way traded Marcus Morris after 40 games after he was successful.
00:45:16
So I don't see your point.
00:45:19
Okay, hold on one second.
00:45:22
One second.
00:45:23
One second.
00:45:24
Was that Oscar? I appreciate it.
00:45:25
I appreciate hearing from you after a while, I understand your school and all that stuff, man.
00:45:30
We look forward to him. You again.
00:45:32
Uh, next time it comes on, his voice is gonna be his deepest mine.
00:45:36
E appreciate you, man.
00:45:41
Stay safe out there.
00:45:42
Alright.
00:45:43
Looking forward to hearing from you got a busy week.
00:45:45
So we're looking forward to hearing from you, man. Alright.
00:45:48
Appreciate you.
00:45:49
Appreciate you.
00:45:52
Narrative is the same.
00:45:54
The same narrative.
00:45:56
The narrative is the same every single year.
00:45:59
We do the same thing.
00:46:00
We go out and get these players for middle, you know, average kind of players and expect that we're going to do well, but we don't.
00:46:05
The Knicks have not had an M V P caliber player says Carmelo Anthony left.
00:46:09
And that was the last time when we were successful.
00:46:10
Okay, So so? So that Russell Westbrook.
00:46:13
If Russell Westbrook comes to the Knicks, if he comes to the Knicks, is he still gonna be a M V P caliber player? Yes, I think so.
00:46:22
Oh, e had some really good numbers.
00:46:28
E What was he? What was he? Seven rebounds, seven assists And what? 20? 26 7. 26.
00:46:35
27 points.
00:46:36
E.
00:46:37
I mean, you know, obviously you know, he's gonna He's putting up numbers.
00:46:40
Uh, What what? Mhm.
00:46:45
Who knows Who knows? E don't know, but But what? Chris Paul off the table, there's definitely gonna be a stronger pursuit.
00:46:52
I think of Westbrook.
00:46:54
That doesn't help the Knicks with Chris Paul being off the table.
00:46:57
It doesn't help the Knicks, because then Houston is going to say, Well, you know what what other choices do you have? What the Knicks have to say is, well, he here's the other choices that we have, and this is what we are willing to do.
00:47:10
You know, to put that pressure on Houston, If this trade goes down, it probably doesn't go down.
00:47:16
I would think it probably doesn't go down within the next day or two.
00:47:19
It's gonna be some time because of everything that's going on with James Harden, the draft, all of that.
00:47:25
It might take some time.
00:47:27
It will be before the season starts.
00:47:29
Can I ask your question, sir? Yeah, I would bring it out off it.
00:47:34
If I was to get Russell Westbrook to put him on the floor, I would bring him in because I wanna I wanna four man that can shoot, pass and dribble.
00:47:43
So when we get bogged down in half court sets, we can rely on a player like that, because where Russell Westbrook, he's more of, uh, down the hill type of a player.
00:47:54
His game is most downhill most of the time.
00:47:57
And then when things bob down, we could go toe.
00:48:00
We could go to a half court set that also teaches the players like knocks and R j the cut and, you know, and do other stuff like that.
00:48:09
That's why I would go.
00:48:10
If we get Russell Westbrook, I would go for your foot and those two first round picks actually looking to get rid of and they're not gonna have more.
00:48:16
I could have more pieces of a puzzle.
00:48:20
Well, you know, we're gonna have to see what happens.
00:48:22
According to Ian Begg Lee, there are certainly people in the organization who feel that Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could building a winning culture helping the young Knicks.
00:48:35
So we will see.
00:48:37
We will see in due time.
00:48:38
Let me get to another phone call here.
00:48:41
Call. The live was popping.
00:48:44
Yeah.
00:48:45
Good day.
00:48:46
What's going on with you, man? How you feeling? 100.
00:48:50
I'm good.
00:48:51
Uh, what you're thinking about what's going on with you? What's up? I know you're thinking about something.
00:48:58
Yemen.
00:49:00
I'm but I'm jumping a canoe to the country with a big one off the sport.
00:49:06
But what I wanted what I wanted to say, though I can't believe Knicks fans are climbing for somebody.
00:49:15
We cannot shoot because one of the biggest problems in Nick had last year with they're shooting was horrible.
00:49:23
Mhm e.
00:49:27
I mean, that's what black, what the last caller suggested was kind of more realistic or something that made more sense.
00:49:35
Westbrook for me? Yeah, they would win your few again.
00:49:39
But I can't imagine a backcourt in Westbrook along with here.
00:49:45
Your new developing, Jospin.
00:49:46
Now you got last year, Andi.
00:49:48
Then you're going tohave Robbins in the center where the shooting going to come from? Well, I mean, you know, you have to go out.
00:49:57
You have depending on what the trade would be if you did trade for Russell Westbrook, you know, And if you included Julius Randle in that trade, so I mean Julius Randle can't shoot right? Eso Listen, if you include Julius Randle in that trade you're replacing, one player that is going is already on your team.
00:50:18
You're replacing him with another player that can't shoot.
00:50:20
But you're replacing it with a better player.
00:50:22
And then you add shooting around it just like if Julius Randle were to stay, you're gonna have to add shooting anyway.
00:50:30
Right S.
00:50:31
So you're still gonna add shooting? Understood that.
00:50:34
But in the backwards, if you have a backward period, ideally, you need to have Ah, excellent shooters.
00:50:42
They're one of the two doesn't have to the boat.
00:50:46
So that's where that's where I'm kind of having an issue on.
00:50:49
I think a lot of better options because that salary is ridiculous.
00:50:53
Like you can get van bleed for half of that quiting.
00:50:59
For me, that's a way better option, something that can last for the next 56 years.
00:51:07
Sustainable, Landry said, is all about the money at the moment.
00:51:11
So if you offer him a 25 per year, it seems that you have.
00:51:17
Is he? Is he worth 25? Is he worked 25 per year? Well, the book is where qualifies if Westbrook is worth 45 definitely his worth.
00:51:28
25 Look at the past two seasons Compare both seasons.
00:51:33
The two seasons off Westbrook is Westbrook twice as good advantage.
00:51:37
I don't think so, it like it.
00:51:43
Is he twice a zoo good as Van bleep now? Well, let's put it, let's put it like this.
00:51:50
Let's put it like this, right? You know, a lot of people gonna talk about Russell Westbrook, and you know, O. K.
00:51:56
C. Is one of championship and this and that.
00:51:58
Okay, He was on, you know, he had Kevin Durant.
00:52:00
They lost to the Golden State Warriors.
00:52:02
And what was that? The Western Conference finals.
00:52:05
And then Kevin Durant decided to leave, all right? And then he went to the Golden State Warriors.
00:52:10
Uh, you know, in one multiple championships with the Golden State Warriors, before then, they had made it to the NBA Finals when they were very young.
00:52:18
When it was Russell Westbrook, James Harden and Kevin Durant.
00:52:21
Okay, and Russell Westbrook was clearly one of the leaders of that team.
00:52:25
I made a point or something.
00:52:28
I think they never one that said because he was a poor point guard.
00:52:33
That's my opinion. Personal.
00:52:35
I think if he was a point guard point garden they would have, they would have had a better shot, I think decision making.
00:52:42
It's way too poor for a point guys.
00:52:46
That's what I'm feeling, to be honest.
00:52:48
So, so e I appreciate your call.
00:52:53
I mean, you know, I understand.
00:52:55
You know where people, you know.
00:52:57
I understand this stuff about Russell Westbrook, because I'm I've been on the same boat, but, I mean, I also understand that Russell Westbrook will bring something to your team that you just do not have or have not had is going to be the perfect player.
00:53:12
No, but the Knicks in the position toe wait for the perfect player, you know? I mean, you know, ask yourself that.
00:53:20
Are they in position to wait for the perfect player? Especially if you could get them at a discount? I'm not saying you go out and you just give up the farm for Russell Westbrook.
00:53:29
But certainly I understand if you're trading Julius Randle and Dennis Smith Jr.
00:53:33
Two guys on your team right now that cannot shoot the basketball and you bring in a Russell Westbrook and then you can add more shooting.
00:53:41
It's gonna help your team.
00:53:43
And you are still gonna have Yeah.
00:53:46
Ah, full Slater assets, right? Everything.
00:53:51
I think everything.
00:53:52
Everything depends on the package.
00:53:55
Everything depends on the package now.
00:53:57
Does he have a hefty contract? Yes.
00:54:00
He has a very hefty contract.
00:54:02
It makes a lot of money and he makes a lot of money.
00:54:05
And there'll be a point where his contract is making up 30 to 35% of your salary.
00:54:11
Okay, 40%.
00:54:13
40% of your of your salary cat slot.
00:54:17
That's a lot.
00:54:19
He just brings another dimension for our team.
00:54:21
Man, you know, you you do it.
00:54:27
If it's for that For those players, I'm doing a somebody thinking thing.
00:54:34
But the only thing I ask you is going forward going forward.
00:54:38
You do it for those two players.
00:54:39
Julius Randle, Dennis Smith, Jr.
00:54:40
Whatever other.
00:54:42
You know, uh, assets have to go along with it.
00:54:46
You know, low assets like second round picks or future super future draft picks or something like that.
00:54:52
Um, but then do you have enough money? Maybe this year you have some money.
00:54:58
Do you have enough money in subsequent years to build a proper teen that's going to be competitive on? And then when he's ready to be gone, when he e mean when he slows down, I'm not ready to say he slowing down yet? And I will say this at the end of last season after the All Star break, he shot about 40% from three.
00:55:22
Something like that, he did.
00:55:24
It's in the books.
00:55:25
You could go check the stats.
00:55:27
I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not saying that he's going to continuously do that, but he did do that last year.
00:55:35
This thing I love about him, we're gonna run a fast break.
00:55:38
Do you realize that this haven't run? I haven't been a fastbreak team in the last few years.
00:55:41
We've been bottom pit.
00:55:43
We need to run.
00:55:44
We have young guys that want to run.
00:55:46
He does what we want him to do for 2 to 3 years.
00:55:50
He's still Ah, high impactful player as much as you don't agree with it, but he still is.
00:55:56
Get over it.
00:55:57
I'm giving up Julius Randle and Dennis Lillee jail for impactful player without giving up my young guns.
00:56:03
I'm doing it, Yeah, play defense.
00:56:05
Listen, play defense.
00:56:07
Listen, you don't you don't play defense. Stop.
00:56:10
But he's good.
00:56:11
Listen, e I mean, listen, I'm a full of greens there.
00:56:15
If I'm giving up Julius Randle Dennis Smith Jr.
00:56:18
I'm on that all day, every day, twice on Sunday.
00:56:21
You know what I mean? Four times on Monday, whatever you wanna call it, I'm doing it all day long and that's a double team.
00:56:29
Every trip again.
00:56:30
We need a guy that could that could serve a double team.
00:56:32
So guys like RJ could better their shot and get over shots.
00:56:35
What more do you want now? Want friends Vans with about $25 million for that person to city That this is what That's what I'm afraid of.
00:56:45
Signing fan being bullied, and then they add guys like Joe Harris to is like, Well, we have to expedite by this this process, man, get in.
00:56:52
Westbrook. Of course, we're gonna have to get shooting.
00:56:54
We're gonna have to get a whole bunch of different things.
00:56:55
It's not.
00:56:56
That's the thing.
00:56:57
Is not the end all with this one thing.
00:56:58
E wanted to comment on what that young kid was saying.
00:57:01
He was like, Yo, we need to set the table for somebody that we're gonna sign down the line.
00:57:05
Who are we signing? You got the same rhetoric.
00:57:07
Have a clean, uh, what the hell you want to do when you're talking about rustic.
00:57:12
But if you don't want Russell Westbrook, who do you want? Like the other caller? He's talking about Fred Van Fleet, and there's all these other guys. I'll be getting better.
00:57:19
This is a bunch of garbage, but we have to make a decision across the across the line in the sand.
00:57:23
If Westbrook is like you said, if if it's Julius Randle and Dennis Smith Jr.
00:57:28
Then we're gonna have to make that move.
00:57:30
This is not anymore.
00:57:32
You can't be playing this game year and year in and year out.
00:57:34
It's just a bunch of garden.
00:57:36
Thank you, Thank you way Get idea.
00:57:38
We bully Houston and took their lunch money we're talking about Yeah, man way.
00:57:49
Let me get you a call first.
00:57:52
Let me do a super chats.
00:57:53
Jovon Robinson. Thank you for the Super Chat, he said.
00:57:55
Think about it like this.
00:57:56
We spent 40% of the cap on Portis, Ellington, Peyton, Randall.
00:58:00
So what will be crying for? Get over it, calling you live.
00:58:05
What's popping? What's going on, brother? This Big Wayne from the Bronx, Man.
00:58:09
Not much, brother.
00:58:11
Enjoy the show man.
00:58:12
This is great, man.
00:58:13
Got me amped up with everything.
00:58:15
Love to see my Knick fans be out there like that.
00:58:19
Listen, man.
00:58:20
Westbrook, We need somebody with heart for New York.
00:58:24
He's built for New York.
00:58:25
Those young boys need to see that they have no o.
00:58:28
G s on that team.
00:58:29
And that's the problem.
00:58:31
Even Taj Gibson was a good yogi for them to learn from.
00:58:34
They have no O.
00:58:35
G s.
00:58:36
We need that for these young boys.
00:58:38
Just even if they win 30 games, they need that.
00:58:41
Just a little case, You know, I'm saying R J.
00:58:43
Barrett right now, R. J. Barrett.
00:58:45
He is not a first option like that.
00:58:49
You know what I mean? It takes time for him to work into that into that motion, you know, But for him to learn, he has to learn from somebody like Westbrook.
00:58:58
And I'm gonna say one more thing real quick.
00:59:00
And I know you might go crazy for this at the at the four.
00:59:03
I would resign Morris at the four.
00:59:06
Morris could shoot, and Morris is a dog.
00:59:09
You know how tough this team would be to bring back Morris.
00:59:12
You got Westbrook.
00:59:13
Then you have RJ and Mitch.
00:59:16
Come on, man.
00:59:17
And I would keep.
00:59:18
And I will keep Bullock.
00:59:19
I would keep Bullock is the two and have him shoot because we could keep him for cheating.
00:59:23
I would sign Morris, if if you get Russell Westbrook and then you can add Marcus Morris if he was willing to come back.
00:59:31
You know I love the ad, Marcus Morris, because you could probably get him.
00:59:35
You could probably get him for close to the same price that you got him last year, right? I do one better.
00:59:44
How about Carmelo Anthony E? I mean, listen, you could get mellow for even cheaper.
00:59:51
You could get mellow for probably $678 million a year.
00:59:57
Listen, if they if they do trade for Russell Westbrook.
01:00:01
Carmelo Anthony definitely is not off the table.
01:00:05
No, it's not right there is not off the table.
01:00:08
You could guarantee that the Knicks will be talking about Carmelo.
01:00:12
If that happens, you can almost guarantee that they need those O.
01:00:16
G s Don't remember that. They need the O.
01:00:18
G s to show him the way, man, that we don't have any right now, and that's a problem.
01:00:22
I feel you, bro.
01:00:23
E once that to e appreciate your car, brother.
01:00:29
Uh, and definitely tips tips.
01:00:32
Wants that, too.
01:00:33
That's what you know it.
01:00:35
Tibbs wants tohave a veteran squad.
01:00:39
He's not.
01:00:41
He wants a veteran team.
01:00:42
That's how that's how he's please.
01:00:43
Basketball joint, man.
01:00:45
We got a mix up the pot and because these guys are so the young guys are so limited, the older guys could be like, Yo, this, What is this all you gotta do on this play on that play on that? Play it.
01:00:55
Just teach some consistency, man.
01:00:57
His teammate's consistency Your tips is not 40.
01:01:00
He's like 60 something years old.
01:01:01
You've got time to be waiting five years, you know, stick crazy years.
01:01:07
Tens of the type of dude that's a mellow This is your role that's Almelo wanted was someone to say, Yo, listen, come in and do this And I saw Carmelo even talked about it.
01:01:17
When I went to Portland.
01:01:18
They told me what it waas, but when I went to use that, they just they just had me out there.
01:01:24
They just have me out there.
01:01:25
You gotta players like that you gotta come to them, make them understand that's what being a coach is about.
01:01:30
That's what being a leader of men is about.
01:01:32
So I think if Carmelo come, he's gonna play a role.
01:01:36
You know who he is setting himself, you know, he is pleased.
01:01:40
Touches.
01:01:41
Yeah, let's let's remember, last time Carmelo was here and we were in the playoffs.
01:01:46
What? It was the head coach.
01:01:47
Now he's an assistant, so he pretty much knows how to use them to be, you know, great player.
01:01:53
E forgot we got Woody.
01:01:55
But even better, man, even by this teenager, this this team in the system stuff is what we need.
01:02:02
And I'm I'm glad.
01:02:04
I'm just glad I'm not happy.
01:02:05
This can't go on the wall, Right? Even that guy Johnny Bryan, man, we got We have a whole training staff filled with great coaches and stuff like that.
01:02:11
So it's like it's not.
01:02:12
It's not time to be playing no games.
01:02:13
Number that Z.
01:02:14
That's my main thing right now with this.
01:02:16
Yeah, and let me tell you what The Knicks coaching staff, they had the ability with this staff to take chances because because you have some coaches with leadership experience, right? So I think they could take chances on players that they could take chances.
01:02:33
What's the dude down in Memphis? I mean, I don't know if he's up for, you know, try it or anything like that.
01:02:37
But I'm just giving an example.
01:02:39
Josh Jackson.
01:02:40
You could take chances on players like that.
01:02:43
And if you get someone, if you get someone who is an exceptional leader Ah, player who is in who is a leader that you know, the younger players they're gonna look up to.
01:02:55
You could take more chances on players that maybe had some issues in the past.
01:02:59
Things like that that you worry about, you know, disciplinary stuff.
01:03:05
Let me ask you this.
01:03:06
Let me ask you.
01:03:09
And then after we answer this question, yeah, we're gonna switch over the SportsCastr.
01:03:16
If the Knicks do trade for Russell Westbrook, do they look to the Marcus cousins as, ah player that could come in? He could shoot the three a little bit.
01:03:31
He could play the four slash five break, obviously is coming off of knee injuries.
01:03:38
It's talented, though, Did the Wizards have is up on too, so that was her tools.
01:03:48
Have eyes on their what? Yeah, I would take a chance on.
01:03:53
Can we play with house money? We're just playing with house money.
01:03:56
I told you this development is like a two year.
01:03:58
We have a two year window of getting being consistent and getting better coming into this year is about consistent about identity, about where we're gonna go and that shares about getting more better.
01:04:10
So we're playing with house money.
01:04:12
Did you try cases? They don't work out.
01:04:15
You get ready on, That's it.
01:04:17
It's not like me going anywhere.
01:04:18
Andy.
01:04:19
Andy, let me ask you.
01:04:21
You trade for Russell Westbrook.
01:04:24
Julius Randle goes in that trade.
01:04:27
Do you look to bring in the markets? Cousins.
01:04:31
Me personally? No, I think Cousins is too much of a head case.
01:04:37
Too many problems in the locker room with the young guys.
01:04:41
I don't think he's on that debt level toe.
01:04:45
Be helping us, even if he's injured or not on the court.
01:04:50
Not playing that many minutes as he wants.
01:04:53
I think he might cause more problems than more cons than pros with him, A t least.
01:05:01
From what I feel at this point s So you don't think that we have enough leadership with the coaching staff? If you have a Russell Westbrook and then you have the Mike Woodson and you have Tom Thibodeau and you have those guys, you don't think there's enough leadership around Uh, e think I think it's not gonna be only about the leadership.
01:05:25
I think he's gonna be no spending.
01:05:28
So it's called spending too much time with Onley, the players without the coaches, and they might get some bad habits.
01:05:35
And from what I know, I don't think the market's cousins is one of those you know, Angel guys in the league.
01:05:41
So, you know, it's I know it's a small price for a really talented guy and like a project that after redemption Project because he was injured, he didn't play like last two seasons and stuff like that.
01:05:53
So it's like a low risk, high reward thing, right? Still, you know that that thing in the locker room if you get west, you know what you get from him? You get the heart and the guys are gonna follow.
01:06:06
I don't know if you want that.
01:06:08
You know that that Rocky guy and in the locker room just toe.
01:06:11
Maybe maybe he's gonna pan out.
01:06:13
But maybe, you know, e Hold up, hold up, Marla.
01:06:19
And listen, people in the chat, You know, just because you bring up a question doesn't mean that we're saying you have to go do this.
01:06:28
It is a question.
01:06:29
It is a question for conversation.
01:06:33
And it might be a question that the Knicks management team brings up.
01:06:39
If you are running an organization, if you are running a basketball team, you look at all the players.
01:06:45
300.
01:06:46
Whatever players in the N b A and you say, What about this guy? What about this guy? What about this guy? So why do you bring up the Marcus cousins? Let me tell you why you bring up the Marcus Cousins and you have a discussion about the Marcus cousins, right? Because he is a guy who is an all star cast waas.
01:07:03
I mean, let me not say is who was an all Star caliber power forward, slash center In the NBA, he is a guy who is gonna be making.
01:07:14
Maybe he makes the veterans minimum.
01:07:17
Nothing he's not making because he's coming off a torn A c l.
01:07:22
So you need When you're a team like the Knicks, you've got to take chances on players like that sometimes because you have a lack of talent.
01:07:36
So sometimes you say, You know what, Let's take a chance on this guy.
01:07:41
If he doesn't work out, we've only paid him three million dollars.
01:07:44
We can waive him.
01:07:46
We could get him out of here.
01:07:48
Get out the locker room, go to wherever you're gonna go toe.
01:07:52
That's why you asked these questions.
01:07:54
It doesn't mean it's going to happen, folks.
01:07:58
It means you ask.
01:07:59
You ask the questions because the team, you know, if you if you Leon Rose, you got to try to find you gotta find a way to flip over rocks to bring in talent.
01:08:10
Yes, you go What you do? People talk about Joe Harrison.
01:08:14
He's got other option broke way.
01:08:18
Not in a position to be to be picking and choosing what, who we decided to call.
01:08:21
We decided we were like one of the worst teams in the NBA.
01:08:24
We don't have time for that, but with the markets colors thing.
01:08:27
People only.
01:08:28
Judging from Sacramento when he went to New Orleans and Golden State.
01:08:31
He was fine, and right now he's more of a broken player more than to be to be valuing himself as the high player before he likes Sacramento.
01:08:41
I don't think it's gonna be a locker room issue, especially if you bring.
01:08:44
You should have woody tents, guys that know what to do to put him in position, to be good players.
01:08:50
Respect that, and you bring in more or less for Westbrook.
01:08:53
That's what I want to say about about the markets to like he's gonna come in with Thibodeau and all these different guys.
01:08:57
They're gonna tell them this is what we need from you.
01:08:59
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:09:00
Can you deal with it? And and if they come to the to the agreement, they give him a contract and if that doesn't work out, then they get rid of him.
01:09:06
But I mean, it's it's on.
01:09:07
It's a win lose thing for us because I mean well, then look, we have we have a really good player to add to the mix, and that's what we need.
01:09:13
We're bottom team.
01:09:14
We have to get talent.
01:09:16
Teoh.
01:09:17
You know it doesn't matter how we get it.
01:09:18
You know what people think? That it's the entitlement of Knick fans.
01:09:22
You know, they just think that, like like things supposed to be handed to us.
01:09:25
Man, we have been the worst team in the NBA for the last 20 years.
01:09:28
We have no time.
01:09:29
I keep.
01:09:30
That's my That's my key words for this song.
01:09:31
Since I've been here, we don't have time for that anymore.
01:09:33
Man.
01:09:34
You know Thibodeau is 60 something years old, man.
01:09:36
Like, how long do you think this is gonna go on for? And not even that got hard.
01:09:39
Not even that.
01:09:40
It's when when? When What? He came here to coach Carmelo.
01:09:45
Carmelo even said himself.
01:09:46
He said, scratch all that.
01:09:48
If you do what I say, y'all gonna get paid.
01:09:50
Y'all gonna look better? Yeah, absolutely.
01:09:54
I think that's exactly what our coaches that is gonna do.
01:09:56
Listen, if you guys on the one, this is what we want you to do.
01:09:58
Can you do it? You can't do it next.
01:10:01
You know, we're just gonna keep this movement.
01:10:02
I think we have the right staff.
01:10:04
We got the leading man. We got the leader.
01:10:06
That's why I'm not when people are down.
01:10:07
Like the way people talk about Lamela's and stuff like that.
01:10:10
If I bring them all in under those two guys, he would nip all that stuff that he's bad at doing.
01:10:15
Nip it in the butt way.
01:10:17
Got got the nip it in the butt.
01:10:19
Go ahead, Andy. Go ahead, Andy.
01:10:21
Remember, one person at a time, one person at a way.
01:10:26
You could save that fault until they finish, and then you can let your thought out way.
01:10:34
Just add on that.
01:10:35
You know, if we had more vets, the kind of we had, like with Rashid, Kurt Thomas and those guys, I would take him in a heartbeat.
01:10:45
Now, when we're only gonna let's say we're gonna Onley stick with Taj Gibson from the vets.
01:10:50
Because I'm not considering that your bullet Corvette, You know, if I'm gonna have boogie cousins in the locker room and something is gonna happen, ready is not gonna be the guy.
01:10:59
Listen, the Marcus you got to stop this crap and stuff like that.
01:11:03
It's on Lee gonna be touched.
01:11:04
And sometimes one guy, verse one is not gonna be enough for they know the rest of the players to see the rift.
01:11:10
If that would be a guy like she'd or like e don't know Jason Kidd or Kurt Thomas.
01:11:18
Those guy would keep him in check like before he even thinks about it.
01:11:22
But it would be so.
01:11:26
Yeah, but yeah, but only I understand.
01:11:29
You know, when the coaches are gonna be around. I'm not afraid.
01:11:32
How afraid Just when you know the guys go out for dinner or whatever, right? Probably not.
01:11:38
Might not happen this season, right? But, you know, the coaches aren't always under the showers, you know, and and and stuff like some some things you know, my pan out that I'm actually afraid off.
01:11:50
That can happen with boogie.
01:11:51
Unless it's like Mark said that he's a, you know, a crush player or broken player.
01:11:56
And he's on that redemption road.
01:11:58
And he's like, you know, one of those ST no.
01:12:02
With no stupid ideas in his head.
01:12:05
So we see what's gonna happen, man.
01:12:08
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01:12:12
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01:12:14
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01:13:00
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01:14:08
You look you look like you're losing it right now.
01:14:09
You're shaking back and forth.
01:14:11
You know, I don't know what's gonna happen, you know.
01:14:13
You know, I'm glad you're on screen with us so we can stop.
01:14:16
You don't know what you're getting ready to do.
01:14:18
Relax.
01:14:19
so good.
01:14:20
So you're stressing out, bro.
01:14:21
You stressing out you move your rocking back and forth.
01:14:24
When I see somebody rock back and forth like that, I get a little bit worried, man.
01:14:28
Stay easy, Bubba.
01:14:30
Stay easy, Stay easy.
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01:15:10
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01:15:12
As we continue this talk about the draft, what we think the Knicks need to do in the draft now that we finally got down to it and we've heard rumors and discussions about this, that and the other thing where we finally finally getting to in the draft, ladies and gentlemen.
01:15:32
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01:15:34
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01:15:54
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01:16:02
All right, All right.
01:16:03
So let me try to get some of these guys in.
01:16:05
We're gonna continue this conversation.
01:16:07
I want to talk about the draft, right? And what we think we might You know what we might be looking at doing in the draft.
01:16:13
But let me try to get these guys in.
01:16:14
Well, I'm just a bit of a break.
01:16:17
Guys on sportscast around just a little bit of a break, and we'll be open back up in just a second.
01:16:24
All right, All right.
01:16:26
Here we go.
01:16:27
Let me get you a phone call, because I do got somebody on the line, and then we could get going.
01:16:30
Call you live.
01:16:31
What's popping? It wasn't good.
01:16:33
Man is wrong from Jersey.
01:16:34
What's going on Wrong? How you feel it? Good man.
01:16:38
Appreciate your show, man.
01:16:40
We needed We needed this space.
01:16:41
And, you know, I mean, you made it happen.
01:16:44
Yeah, man.
01:16:45
Appreciate it, man.
01:16:46
Appreciate it.
01:16:47
I just want to give Knicks fans a chance.
01:16:49
Thio Let it out.
01:16:51
Yeah.
01:16:52
You know, we need that.
01:16:53
You know, we look, we look all over, you know, saying we look all over Twitter and ESPN in this.
01:16:59
Now, we've got these ****ysts that half of them don't know anything about the Knicks.
01:17:02
Don't really follow the team.
01:17:04
You know, I'm saying so this is This is this is the spot for us to just say what we need to say.
01:17:08
So what's going on with you, bro? Yeah, Um, Nick's eclipses were, but, um, since the topic is changing, I just wanna leave it.
01:17:17
So, like, um, we now we got a real coaching staff that, like like you spoke about Mike Woodson, and we know Tibbs is no joke.
01:17:29
We've had 19 year old guys playing on the worst roster with bad coaching, and we kind of I think we know what these guys can do.
01:17:39
But faxes if we in the draft, I'm not.
01:17:41
I'm not one to say this guy, this guy, I ain't putting those hours of scouring.
01:17:50
I think that if we just get the best player available, we're gonna end up being good man with good coaching.
01:17:57
And a good staff is gonna build to something I think a lot of Nick says are like, This is what I think should happen If it doesn't happen, it's all trash.
01:18:09
And ah, lot of this is a puzzle, man.
01:18:13
Guys gotta be in the right roster with the right love in the room.
01:18:18
Coaches with the right intention.
01:18:20
So I just think I'm not know since the topic change, I was going to speak on the free agency.
01:18:26
E o Free is quick.
01:18:31
I got Christian.
01:18:32
Would mhm uhm Mark, Keith, Marcus.
01:18:37
Whoever we had last year getting twins mixed up markets.
01:18:41
We have Marcus Marcus.
01:18:43
Yeah, and Jeremy Grant.
01:18:47
I don't really want the old wash players.
01:18:50
That Horford take was disgusting, bro, but word up, um, and after that, I'm kind of good off Russell Westbrook, but I know he's been wanting to be in the garden.
01:19:03
And if we could get off that Randall contract and just dfj that's the move to make.
01:19:09
Man, I really got faith and Frank and mentioned even knocks Thio get to a next level under Tibbs with about player development and getting these guys where they could, you know, do what they dio.
01:19:27
I think I'm gonna leave it at that man.
01:19:29
OK, OK, let me ask you, let me ask you this real quick Russell Westbrook and then and then you know, I'll let you answer quick.
01:19:36
I'll get to the guys in the check.
01:19:38
Do you think he wants to and is ready and has in his mind set that he's ready to embrace New York? Uh, iw has been that way, man.
01:19:47
A lot of these guys come through the garden and we know they feel the energy and we get we get the brunt of the energy for faxes.
01:19:56
Nowhere else you can get that in the league, especially if we're playing well and we have had a effort issue, we know tips not not dealing with that.
01:20:07
And Russell Westbrook ban on that type of Tom.
01:20:10
So I agree with like the Taj Gibson to come back.
01:20:15
We gotta have is really a full team sport, like some guys that don't play but could tell dot Keep shooting broke.
01:20:23
Because when you get in is your You know what I mean.
01:20:25
You could do it.
01:20:26
It's things outside of what we see.
01:20:29
Well, we could bring on a certain that it sounds like that, but as far as Russell Westberg, if it's just ran doing D S J.
01:20:37
We do that all day, every day, like you guys said, because he ain't no joke.
01:20:42
And I've seen him adapted game last year.
01:20:45
Take him way less threes, because one he can't shoot him.
01:20:49
But he realized his other guys that could take that shot, so I commend him for that.
01:20:56
Okay. All right.
01:20:58
Yeah.
01:20:59
I don't think we could really be turning down M V P.
01:21:02
Triple double.
01:21:03
Just pure ball is like for the garden for the city.
01:21:08
We kind of we can I don't think we could turn that down, man.
01:21:11
Okay.
01:21:12
I appreciate your call, brother.
01:21:14
Peace man. Peace.
01:21:18
Let's get to the draft, man.
01:21:20
Let's get to the draft.
01:21:22
First question I wanna ask Leon.
01:21:24
Rose seems to be enamored with Obi Topic.
01:21:28
That's what it sounds like.
01:21:33
Assuming that that eighth pick doesn't go anywhere.
01:21:38
Do you think the Knicks will try to move up to get Obie Topping? I don't get on. Move up soon.
01:21:45
I'm gonna gonna move up from.
01:21:46
And that will be talking with Leon Rosen.
01:21:49
Overtopping came on the interview.
01:21:51
He said I haven't spoke to him.
01:21:54
Result personal.
01:21:56
So, uh, right.
01:21:58
I'm not saying I mean, he doesn't had There's a Lemelle a ball.
01:22:04
Never spoke to me, e I mean that.
01:22:07
And I like him for the, You know, I like Lemelle a ball I wouldn't trade down.
01:22:13
You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
01:22:14
I wouldn't trade down for Children.
01:22:16
No, Vida.
01:22:18
Eight. That's something to think about here.
01:22:21
Uh huh.
01:22:22
E straight out that, um I mean, I mean, of course, um, you know, if he's at eight.
01:22:33
I mean, you take him all day long, I think if he's at eight.
01:22:36
Yeah, I mean, it's easy.
01:22:37
It's easy, you know? Especially especially if Julius Randle goes into trade e four e Gotta fall right there.
01:22:47
Uh, anybody up here think the knicks try to move up to get over the top.
01:22:53
Who has the fourth fit? Chicago.
01:23:02
And they interested in him as well? Right on.
01:23:08
I don't know.
01:23:09
I don't know.
01:23:10
I don't know. I don't know if they're interested in them.
01:23:12
I mean, they got Lloyd marketing.
01:23:15
Yeah.
01:23:16
I mean, honestly, honestly.
01:23:17
God, we don't know what teams what plays.
01:23:20
That's what we at.
01:23:22
That's what Ways team mostly.
01:23:25
You know, when teams want this player in that way, we don't know nothing.
01:23:29
We don't know.
01:23:30
Zero zilch, nothing.
01:23:32
Anybody could fall anywhere, bro.
01:23:37
This job is, like, dead dead flat right now.
01:23:41
That flat right now that's that's true. That's true.
01:23:44
That's true.
01:23:45
So so where we going in? I mean, you know, we we've talked about so many, so many players, nobody who still has a clue what the Knicks really wanna dio nobody.
01:23:57
Which is which is the reason why I ask, would they trade up? Because you hear about a couple of players that they really like and obey? Topping is one of them.
01:24:05
You hear about Carol Lewis? They could probably stay where they're at and get care of Louis if they want him mhm, right.
01:24:12
You hear a little bit about killing Hayes.
01:24:15
Maybe they could stay where they're at to get killing Hayes.
01:24:18
Yeah, so this is where I'm at with it.
01:24:22
Everything depends on where the first four drops, right? The first four clocks.
01:24:30
If Romelo drops in that four, let's stay right there because there's chances we can fall.
01:24:39
That person, he can fall.
01:24:42
So the first we have to see what Minnesota Are they really keeping it, or are they training it? Is Golden State keeping it? Are they training it now is because they said that horns are enamored with wise me.
01:24:55
So where they trade the number one pick with the Timberwolves to just go get a while before Golden State does? Does the Hawks trade a six pick with New Orleans or some other team like that? Or Boston? Boston could be a team.
01:25:10
It's a whole lot of things that want to get in.
01:25:12
There's all the and and the one that's in.
01:25:14
They want to get out.
01:25:15
So it dictates this whole draft like I've never seen before.
01:25:20
I've never seen anything like this.
01:25:23
Yeah, where teams are coming in, and these and teams a nearby, you want to come out.
01:25:31
This is unusual.
01:25:32
It is definitely unusual.
01:25:34
Definitely unusual.
01:25:36
I think.
01:25:38
I think what you could see happen and the Knicks will probably be part of it.
01:25:42
The mark, I think you kind of touched on it.
01:25:43
I know.
01:25:44
Tony and I touched on it.
01:25:45
We didn't get a chance to do our We're gonna do a little podcast on it.
01:25:49
We didn't get a chance to do it before, before the news broke out there.
01:25:53
Right? But Tony had brought up to me weeks before.
01:25:56
You guys heard it from anybody else.
01:25:58
Seriously.
01:25:59
At least a week before, you know, He said, What do you think about trading down with Boston, you know, to to try to ac***ulate some of their draft picks? This is before anybody.
01:26:10
It was ever in the news.
01:26:12
Uh, right.
01:26:14
And teams like the Celtics on and other teams who have championship aspirations, they may be looking for a piece that fits not talent, but a piece that fits.
01:26:29
Which they could say, You know what? This guy, Isaac a coral fits something that we want.
01:26:35
Tyree's Halliburton fits.
01:26:37
This vessel fits this.
01:26:39
Let's trade up so that we can get the guy that we think fits our system, not because they think the guy's uber talented.
01:26:47
They're gonna be an All Star, but because it fits their system.
01:26:50
There may be opportunities out there like that for the New York Knicks.
01:26:54
So, like like this, for example, same Detroit is they think Detroit is promising Patrick rooms.
01:27:00
They're gonna take him at seven.
01:27:02
You got things like that going down.
01:27:03
You got guys like Carol Lewis.
01:27:05
He might go to Phoenix because he got interview **** there three times.
01:27:09
So when you look at this drives right now, the next what they honestly, if the mellow was there and if the metal there was a chance to trade for Lemelle Oh, if Golden State take what the Knicks was getting, say it was Eighth and Mitch and Reggie Block or something like that, the Knicks will do it.
01:27:33
I think the Knicks will do it, But the fact that we don't know what the Knicks up to what they want, they show no wrinkle in stuff.
01:27:40
No type other plan other than Karen Lewis.
01:27:42
But I'm not taking them at eight.
01:27:44
You can't do that, cannot do that.
01:27:46
So I would trade down because campaign going on.
01:27:51
You have a lot of players that aren't **** near the same off.
01:27:55
I mean, ceiling level, Like you confined that up in this draft describing about role players players.
01:28:02
Well, that was locally.
01:28:04
Okay, Andy.
01:28:05
Then I'm gonna get to a phone call.
01:28:07
Yeah, well, as faras the, you know, the Boston Celtics go, Um, they won't be able even to sign all of the three first rounders they cut in this draft because their roster, you know, they got guaranteed contracts so they would have toe, like, wave someone just to sign a rookie.
01:28:27
Right? And you have to sign the rookies that you draft in the first round the second round.
01:28:32
There's You don't have to drop, you know, sign in the contract.
01:28:36
First rounders, you have to do it.
01:28:37
So you know, they they're gonna have to move at least one of those picks.
01:28:43
And, you know, they also ac***ulated those pics just for the certain reason just to move up.
01:28:50
That's the easiest way to dio just to move up or to trade for event, right? There's only two options with those picks, and I'm guessing that they're gonna have to make a move and like me and more discuss a couple of times, they're looking for us for a big for that center.
01:29:05
I don't know if they even got high.
01:29:08
Add Wiseman.
01:29:09
I think they might be fine with the Congo on.
01:29:12
I think that they're gonna be going after that guy now.
01:29:16
Now, now, teams are able to, um, sign their draft picks over the cat.
01:29:23
Yeah, Yeah, sure, But they don't have the roster spots.
01:29:26
You gotta have roster spots.
01:29:28
You gotta have roster spots.
01:29:31
Got 13 guarantee.
01:29:32
Right.
01:29:33
But so they have to get you Got to get rid of two of those.
01:29:35
What? Boston Boston want to swap with New Orleans for Kimba, Kimba And, uh, this Kimba and, uh, New Orleans, I think New Orleans pick out.
01:29:48
What are they picking his drops in New Orleans? New Orleans? Let me see.
01:29:52
Let me see what New Orleans picks in the draft.
01:29:53
Not exactly. ****.
01:29:55
Whatever they pick is there swapping Drew holiday with Kimba and Boston were given 14 26 and I think 30 for that.
01:30:03
Well, New Orleans is 13th in the draft draft 13th.
01:30:08
Yeah, So they would do a swap Because what looks like is that Kimball will be a problem in playoff contention because he's easily, easily target in pick and roll situations.
01:30:19
So they would rather get a bigger garden like Drew holiday that can give up the same production as Kimba.
01:30:24
I would do it.
01:30:25
Honestly, I would do it.
01:30:27
Okay, so let me get let me get to this phone call.
01:30:30
Quality live was Pop.
01:30:34
Hey, yo. Calling you there.
01:30:37
Hello? Hello? Hello? Hello? Yeah.
01:30:45
Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you.
01:30:48
How you doing? What's going on with How you feeling? I'm feeling great.
01:30:52
I just gotta 22 questions.
01:30:56
Really? The first one is, um if y'all get Westbrook, I don't think I heard you talk about it.
01:31:02
Um, but how How do you think that would affect a guy like R J? You know how he played last season as faras shoot go.
01:31:12
Do you think he would turn Argento a spot up shooter? That's a good question.
01:31:19
Great question.
01:31:20
And we could That's a great question.
01:31:22
I think that Russell Westbrook will have a ah, good impact on R.
01:31:28
J.
01:31:29
Barrett.
01:31:30
For the most part, the area that I'm concerned is if you want r.
01:31:33
J.
01:31:34
Barrett to learn to become, ah, primary primary guy primary score a guy that gets it done in, you know, down the stretch.
01:31:41
It might be hard with Russell Westbrook because, you know, he is just his nature to take over the game when you get down the stretch right last 34 minutes of the game is gonna be Russell Westbrook, so I get afraid that that might stunt RJ's development a little bit.
01:31:57
But I think these are two guys that have similar mindsets and their approach to the game, and so it's possible that they could work off of each other.
01:32:06
And maybe, just maybe, Russell Westbrook is noticing as he's getting older that, you know I can't do it all by myself.
01:32:13
I need to train somebody, bring somebody along with me, so hopefully that's what it would be.
01:32:18
I don't think he'll end up being just a spot up shooter, though.
01:32:21
E hope not either.
01:32:25
On then, the second question is like still having to do with Westbrook.
01:32:30
But my thing is, with you guys possibly having the ability to get him now.
01:32:37
If Houston decides to send um, Harden Thio the Nets.
01:32:42
What would be the benefit in them doing that? If, uh if they're not getting any draft picks for this year or like any other season, for that matter? Because I think they traded with away some of their draft picks.
01:32:56
Yes, right.
01:32:59
So I think they're If they're moving hard and they're moving Russell Westbrook, then that means that they're they're trying to rebuild, so they're definitely gonna be looking for draft picks.
01:33:08
The Knicks have some draft picks, I think, at least for Harden, I don't know what the Nets looked like.
01:33:15
And their salary? Yeah, you know, the way that salary looks, so they would probably have to give up, I think den Witty and, uh, the other.
01:33:26
But if I'm them, I wouldn't do that.
01:33:28
And I know they probably not interested in moving any future picks.
01:33:33
Even if they know they're gonna win.
01:33:35
I think they would still wanna hold on to it.
01:33:39
But see, I think I think maybe with Brooklyn you might see a third team get involved some way so that Houston could bring back some some pics and, you know, hard.
01:33:48
He's probably probably told Houston a few days ago, but it just came out toe the world today that he wants to be moved.
01:33:56
So I'm pretty sure they've been on the phone, and they're gonna be looking to bring in draft picks.
01:33:59
So I think a three team trade and there could be a three team trade with, you know, between Brooklyn, new York and Houston.
01:34:10
You know, um, so we'll see how that goes.
01:34:15
But I think that you know, Houston, and they're gonna find a way one to clean out some cap space and to to bring in draft picks.
01:34:24
I think that those are gonna be there to priorities, I believe, But very good questions.
01:34:30
Thank you for the call.
01:34:31
You're welcome.
01:34:32
Appreciate it.
01:34:34
I don't get it from Brooklyn form with Harden.
01:34:39
You say that again.
01:34:40
I've said they're going to get those three young players Castle, Verge, Allen and and then really and picks.
01:34:48
That's what I think they're gonna get for harder.
01:34:50
Because Harding came out today, said it's either Philly or Brooklyn, but I think it's gonna be more Brooklyn.
01:34:55
I think he's gonna fight his way to Brooklyn board and go to Philly.
01:34:59
Yeah, I think he probably how How crazy would it be? You had Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant and James Harden all start their careers in one city.
01:35:10
And then they go and they're all gonna be in New York.
01:35:12
Except, you know, to two of them are being Brooklyn and one of them be with the Knicks.
01:35:18
Still in the same city is crazy.
01:35:20
This is my great can.
01:35:21
We couldn't do that here.
01:35:23
Just look at the whole outcome of it, right? We could have broken him and Kyrie simultaneously, right? And then if we was willing to trade for James Harden, we would have had pits and the player's to send them to get James Harden to complete hell.
01:35:42
So, bro, they just don't want the extra stuff.
01:35:46
They're afraid of it.
01:35:47
They're afraid of blue and hard, and it's okay.
01:35:50
Stay over there.
01:35:51
That don't tell me that public Direct couldn't get what he wants.
01:35:54
When he's about to get here.
01:35:56
It's been perfect little bit.
01:35:58
Well, you know that that Z that's not happening.
01:36:02
They're gonna be in the same city.
01:36:04
But you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Let me get to this other phone call, man.
01:36:09
I want to get some more thoughts on the draft, though, but let me get to this phone call.
01:36:14
E caller you live was popping.
01:36:19
Hey, Sam loved the show.
01:36:21
This is Stephanie from Brooklyn.
01:36:22
Hey, how you doing? Appreciate the call and my echoing over there.
01:36:27
Thanks.
01:36:29
Okay, okay. Great.
01:36:31
This is the point.
01:36:32
I want to make way.
01:36:34
Can't make decisions about who to bring in.
01:36:36
Based on how they fit with players who haven't had success in this leave.
01:36:41
Like RJ or Mitch.
01:36:44
It is very hard to succeed in this league.
01:36:48
So we have an opportunity to get a player who has played at a very high level.
01:36:52
We have to look into it now.
01:36:54
I have other issues with bringing in Westbrook.
01:36:57
But the issue is not about how he fits with an R J or Mitch or about how he might block the development of R.
01:37:05
J.
01:37:07
And what has are they accomplished that we're gonna make franchise decisions based on whether or not to play a fish with him? Point taking, I get.
01:37:14
Understand? Yeah.
01:37:16
He's not ready, in my opinion, to be a match user usage.
01:37:19
God, he's a second year player.
01:37:21
He got away. This church.
01:37:23
Mitch can't stay on the floor.
01:37:26
We're looking at what he does in 56 minutes stretches, and we extrapolating that over 36 minutes and think he's gonna be a star now.
01:37:34
I hope he is.
01:37:36
But he's able to do the things he's doing because he's stretched.
01:37:39
He only playing five or six minutes at a time.
01:37:44
You know, so way we gotta go for players.
01:37:48
That's going to make the team better.
01:37:51
The coaches.
01:37:52
There's many ways to develop these guys.
01:37:54
They're gonna be on the floor, so they're going to get some playing time.
01:37:57
You develop in the off season.
01:37:59
There's many ways to develop.
01:38:01
Once the coaches see that, they ready, then they can trade other plays and create more room for them.
01:38:08
But we can't do that prematurely.
01:38:10
We can't just do that from from the from the beginning right now, or we can bring this player in right now.
01:38:16
We can't trade over.
01:38:18
We can't.
01:38:19
I'm sorry.
01:38:20
Draft over Mitch right now.
01:38:21
These guys are not ready.
01:38:23
We bring him along slowly, you know, and go from there.
01:38:29
I mean, that's the point.
01:38:30
I mean, I'm hearing that a lot in the shack.
01:38:32
And so that's that's the only issue I have.
01:38:35
But I love the show, man.
01:38:37
I've been looking for a Knicks show.
01:38:39
I finally found one.
01:38:40
You guys, this is my number one show.
01:38:42
I appreciate you.
01:38:43
I appreciate you.
01:38:44
Thank you very much.
01:38:45
Let me ask you one question, though.
01:38:46
If if if the Knicks do trade for Westbrook, who do you wanna bring with them? Who are you trying to put around them? If they bring in Westbrook is Westbrook's team at this point no longer RJ team and you, right? They're gonna have to bring in players that could fit around him, and they're gonna have to bring in yet to shoot.
01:39:05
I like I like Harris.
01:39:07
I think birth hands cost too much money for what he does, but they're gonna have to bring in and and shoot it on and guaranteed if they make that move.
01:39:21
If that happens between now and Thursday, there's gonna be a lot more moves coming down the pike this offseason on and stop worrying about R J R.
01:39:30
J is a dog.
01:39:31
He's gonna find out where he's gonna be able to fit.
01:39:34
No matter what team they put on the floor.
01:39:36
He is a good one.
01:39:39
Appreciate the call forward to hearing from you too.
01:39:43
Oh, no.
01:39:44
Now take care.
01:39:46
Okay, That's a good call.
01:39:47
So yeah, no doubt.
01:39:48
No doubt.
01:39:50
Well, you still have to worry about bringing such a player like Westbrook, because again, as fans and just as coach, you still have to think what that player can do for your younger even if they haven't proved himself.
01:40:06
He wanted to prove himself.
01:40:07
But you also want this skill set toe mash up with that next play on.
01:40:12
Look, I think ultimately Westbrook would have Ultimately, I think he would have a J getting Yeah, I think, Yeah, it's just it's intensity alone is what? It's enough for me to bring in here because again you want guys like I think O.
01:40:32
J.
01:40:33
And I think Frank is gonna **** when you have something set in place.
01:40:36
I think it's gonna be I don't have to worry about Mitch in Argentina because the motor tells me that they're gonna be all right.
01:40:42
It's just about putting the structure.
01:40:44
They're the only one we worry about.
01:40:46
Lovenox.
01:40:47
That's all That's all we really worry about.
01:40:48
Kevin Knox, Honestly.
01:40:49
So let's get back to the draft.
01:40:52
Uh, matter of fact, you could go check out that Kevin knocks the Kevin Knox show that coach's corner at me, and he didn't.
01:40:58
We're gonna follow it up with a show talking about his defense.
01:41:04
In my defense, his defensive development.
01:41:08
He's gonna be more in the paints.
01:41:10
And when it comes to defense, he's really good at in the paint when you watch our when you watch his games in the second half.
01:41:17
When they put him, called him, he's better. He's better.
01:41:20
He's a better defender. That but on the perimeter.
01:41:22
Jesus Christ.
01:41:23
But but let's get back to this trade to the draft, man.
01:41:25
Um, Anthony, I'm gonna get Thio Mr.
01:41:30
Jones here, since he's new to the chat, Mr Jones, what's popping with you, man? How you feeling? You gotta meet yourself, bro.
01:41:40
It's cracking cause uh huh.
01:41:43
There you go.
01:41:45
That's good.
01:41:46
Yeah, you're good, brother.
01:41:47
How you feeling? I'm feeling amazing.
01:41:49
Tell me why.
01:41:50
Right now, I'm more hype than I've been in so many years.
01:41:54
Like this week specifically.
01:41:56
Well, you know, e mean looking, everything that's happening this week you got, you know, are they Open it up to be able to make trades on and then you got the draft and then you're gonna have free agency.
01:42:09
It's gonna be crazy week, and this team could be totally reshaped by Friday.
01:42:16
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
01:42:17
Like for me.
01:42:19
Ah, lot of people I talked to are like there's no reason to be excited.
01:42:23
The Knicks have been bad for so long.
01:42:25
They're losing hope.
01:42:27
And now I'm saying to them that if you really think about it, this is the first time we've actually rebuild our team In a long time, we might have started before poor Zynga's.
01:42:36
But then Porzingis was traded, and I kind of felt like it was kind of a restart after that.
01:42:40
And this is really like our third official year of rebuilding.
01:42:45
And this is the first year where I feel like we're gonna take that huge chunk.
01:42:48
We have so many young players that have had several years under their belt.
01:42:53
Now, Knox Neil Akita, Uh, you got Mitchell Robinson, RJ.
01:42:59
All of them can take a huge jump.
01:43:02
And then, in addition to that, you have our draft pick this year and tons of cap space.
01:43:07
So it's hard not to be excited when there's so many possibilities of a huge jump for our team.
01:43:12
And I'm really interested to see where we go this year and all these other.
01:43:15
I have a lot of people who are Knicks fans as well, but they're they're starting to lose a little bit of faith because it's been so long since we've been good since.
01:43:22
You know, obviously, Melo, we made the second round, but it's like they don't see these huge changes that we actually haven't done before.
01:43:29
Before we were always win.
01:43:31
Now with with now with Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah, which turned out to be absolutely horrible, This is the first time that three true years went into rebuilding.
01:43:41
And now, with a new coach, new management, draft picks and full cap space, I'm so excited for this season, E.
01:43:54
I mean I mean the ability, the ability is there to actually reshape this team, and we'll see if we get, you know, we'll see what they could do if they could get it done.
01:44:02
Hey, look, I'm going to I'm gonna come right back to you.
01:44:05
I want to get to this phone call.
01:44:07
Uh, and I want to talk to you about what you think they might do in the draft.
01:44:11
Call you live was Pop.
01:44:13
Hey, what's up, JP? What's called P? What's going on? How you feeling? I'm good.
01:44:20
I'm good.
01:44:21
I'm good.
01:44:22
How you feeling About everything that could go down? I know I haven't spoken to in a while.
01:44:27
I have to kind of step away from it because it was too far away and e couldn't talk about it every day.
01:44:32
Um, how do I feel? I'm nervous. I'm anxious.
01:44:37
I'm excited, you know? And you don't know what to believe.
01:44:41
Because, you know, the, uh, front office hasn't said a word, so that's a good thing.
01:44:47
So you kind of just hope that you kind of hope that, you know, they learn from the mistakes.
01:44:55
Uh, you know, i e you know, I can't talk about the draft who I want because I haven't really been paying attention and then with no, um, there's no tournament this year.
01:45:07
I don't know.
01:45:08
You know, this draft is I mean, the draft on a regular basis is a crap shoot.
01:45:12
And this year is like, 10 times worst.
01:45:15
But I know you wanna talk about the draft.
01:45:18
I just want to talk about Westbrook for a bit.
01:45:20
Um, part of everyone's talking about.
01:45:25
Well, first off, I don't know how toe about it.
01:45:27
Personally, I'm kinda in the middle.
01:45:29
I I understand the pros and the cons, Um, as far as what he you know, um, should come here.
01:45:36
But one of the reasons that people are touting that we should get him is, you know, will change the view of the next right, and they will put respectability back to the name.
01:45:49
And you know, you'll have a dog on the court.
01:45:51
So, you know, um you know, and that's something that we need.
01:45:56
But once if they do make this trade on the MBA landscape, is it gonna be seen as a L O L Next move, Or is it gonna be like, Okay, there's a new sheriff in town, and, you know, we have to kind of look at the next differently, because the way I look at it is, um e guess that third year of the contract makes it kind of worse.
01:46:22
and, um e just, you know, it's it's like taking medicine.
01:46:27
You don't want to do it, But, you know, I guess you do it because you kind of have thio.
01:46:32
Um, you know, that's just how I feel about this whole situation.
01:46:36
So But we were gonna be doing it for, you know, to make the team look good and put a face of everyone all the next on the look better or whatever, but is it Is it worth? Is that contract on what he brings his table worth? Um, you know, the positive that he brings before.
01:47:00
And of course, that's the hard thing, because he makes, ah, $130 million over the next.
01:47:06
What is it three years or something like that? It's a huge is a super huge contract on.
01:47:14
And you know he's going to take up 30 to 40% of your cap, okay? Yeah.
01:47:20
And you know, I mean, if we were under better cir***stances, um, economically, I would say Okay, but considering that we're in the middle of a pandemic and it's gonna trickle down for the next couple of years, I don't know about that.
01:47:34
And, you know, we essentially paying for his name and his pack success from other teams.
01:47:42
You know, once you put that Knicks jersey on, he's going to get injured right away because that zine start a Maya like I have a you want.
01:47:55
You want the list e you want out of my you got Listen, have we even seen McKnight's like E O? You already know what it is.
01:48:13
So when that happened and and then on top of that, it's like, Okay, so and we actually get this player and at the same time is able to continue to rebuild somehow because, you know, once he comes here, we may be able thio us being a player as faras the free agency next year may be done, and then, as far as being a player breath next year and the year after that, we may be done to, and then it makes it makes it kind of makes me shake my head because it's like Way hired so many people in a fun office that, you know, one of the main goals is toe, you know, scout and draft like, how does that work? Eso If if we could actually get this third, but at the same time rebuild at the same time.
01:49:08
I don't know how you do that.
01:49:09
It's just like one of the other.
01:49:11
Once you get here, I agree with people that before me, like it's 15 and you essentially have to do what he wants.
01:49:22
Yeah, I mean, e I mean that that's That's the thing.
01:49:25
If you get him, essentially, you are in a you know Now you're in a full court press to try to make the team relevant.
01:49:34
What's important is what's important.
01:49:37
Is it the fact that we're gonna be relevant, or are we going to be good? Well, I mean two years or the next 5, 10 years, Like, What are we trying to get here? Well, that's what I'm saying, You know, you bring in Westbrook.
01:49:50
You know, now you know you've got your urine, a full court press to try toe, make yourself better.
01:49:57
You know what I'm saying? You know, because you don't wanna waste.
01:49:59
I mean, you don't wanna waste that $40,000,045 million a year.
01:50:03
Uh, there are some things, though, that I think Westbrook brings his his his Obviously the intensity.
01:50:13
Um you know what kind of around the dudes dudes? A dog.
01:50:17
I mean, there's only a handful of people like him.
01:50:19
He's You wanna say whatever you want to say about him? He brings it every night, and I'm not.
01:50:25
I'm not.
01:50:26
Ah, big sign of him.
01:50:28
But I will tell you he will.
01:50:30
He works.
01:50:31
Yeah, that, you know, having that because now you you know, you have a your lead guy.
01:50:38
He's gonna be the lead guy, no doubt.
01:50:40
Right? So, you know, having the lead guy that is a dog rubs off on everybody.
01:50:45
So you know that.
01:50:46
Anyway, in the and the standard that he's going the expectations that he's going to bring of the team, I think it's gonna rub off on everyone because I feel like Frank Kevin Knox.
01:50:57
Not as much R J Well, even RJ to, you know, we're caught in this area where the expectations were.
01:51:06
We'll see what happens, right? E And I think you have If you get Westbrook, you have Tom Thibodeau and whoever else they bring in because if they trade Julius ran doing Dennis Smith Jr.
01:51:21
You're gonna have mawr.
01:51:22
You're gonna have cap space to bring in some other guys.
01:51:24
The expectations rise.
01:51:27
And I think that forces your other players that have to rise to the occasion because if they don't, they're gone and they know it.
01:51:35
Okay, So Mark made a comment earlier about his bad decision making due to the fact that you have a coach like Thibodeau.
01:51:43
Do you think that bolo bhi will get to him and kind of like, you know, not prevented from happening? But at least when he's doing nonsense, tell him, like, knock it off.
01:51:54
Do you think he do You think that he is at this point in his career where he could say, I gotta change a little bit and they want to do things differently because I'm quite sure he's hearing every single thing that people are saying about him.
01:52:09
And maybe he's saying, Okay, well, I'll show each and every single Yeah, I know what you mean.
01:52:15
And listen, I hope that he's the one thing that strikes me about Westbrook is that I feel like he is a realist, you know.
01:52:26
Now is he really about himself and where he is athletically and stuff like that? We don't know.
01:52:33
So you know, I think the question is, would you would you make this trade with everything that you know? And what do you know? If if if the trait for me if I'm giving up Julius Randle, Dennis Smith Jr maybe like the 38th pick or something like that, Yes, I'll make the trade because then I still got I still got $30 million about $30 million in cap space, 2025 to $30 million in cap space. Thio.
01:53:07
Add more players.
01:53:08
But I still got RJ.
01:53:09
I still got Mitch.
01:53:10
I still got Frank.
01:53:11
I still got knocks and I still got my eighth pick on.
01:53:15
Does that take us out of free agency for next year? And the draft for next year is, well, Laura's we You know there's a chance for that.
01:53:24
E don't know.
01:53:26
That draft is very intriguing to me, and I want to be a player in that Yeah way.
01:53:31
If we trade, if the trade gets down to just Julius Randle D.
01:53:36
S.
01:53:37
J and a draft pick, we would still have our own draft pick for next year.
01:53:40
We would still have Dallas draft pick as long as we didn't move it.
01:53:44
And depending on what else they did in free agency, we could still have $30 million in free agency.
01:53:49
Right? Like, say, for example, this year they did like short contracts.
01:53:53
You could still have money in free agency.
01:53:55
But as far as our first our own drafted, I mean, obviously how Maney wins.
01:54:01
Do you think that Westbrook is work? It's hard to say because it all depends on what they put around them.
01:54:08
Okay, And last question, What is? Who's your pick for one Does a Who is the ideal draft pick that you want? I mean, for me.
01:54:19
So what I'm thinking for Wednesday, right? I'm probably not moving up.
01:54:26
I would possibly move down into if the situation presented itself.
01:54:30
I'd be happy with Kiara Lewis and Sadiq Bay.
01:54:33
I'm kinda, you know, I'm kind of leaning in the Lewis camp, you know, And that's been recent, but I kind of just like the speed and I know that we've been slow footed, and it would be kind of nice to have some speed on the team because you don't want on the team of stuff, right? I'd be happy with those two guys.
01:54:51
I live out in the draft. Cool.
01:54:53
I think.
01:54:54
I think Tony has a question for you. Got Tony.
01:54:56
What's up, Tony? How you been? What's going on? Um, one thing I wanted to say about, I don't think we should really worry about next year's free agency class or any free agency class in general, I think we kind of went that route.
01:55:16
I think we were all kind of hurt, you know, thinking we would get in certain players and I'm not coming.
01:55:22
I think the best forest would be the move.
01:55:27
Like a small market team.
01:55:29
Um, you know, we really haven't been able to bring any free agents here or any top tier free agents here ever.
01:55:37
You know what? It means that, um I mean, so if we move like a small market team and we use the assets to acquire the talent we want, I think that's the best.
01:55:51
The best route.
01:55:52
Oh, yeah. 100%.
01:55:54
I mean, when I What I mean to stay as faras free agency is as a team, I would always like to make sure that I am.
01:56:02
I have the flexibility and what I mean is that, um they should have some cash.
01:56:08
They should always have cap space available and should always have draft pick.
01:56:11
Because as you can see, you never know when something is going toe just become available.
01:56:18
But I don't want them to utilize all the cap space.
01:56:21
And I don't want them thio utilize to trade all the pics.
01:56:24
So I think more than anything, I'm just worried about the flexibility after this mood is probably made e mean, regardless, at some point, with flexible flexibility, you gotta use it or else you're just sitting on flexible.
01:56:40
You can.
01:56:41
But you got the key thing is, you have to use it very smart, so you can't use it.
01:56:45
Stupid.
01:56:46
We have way could write a whole book as far as what not to do way have to kind of do things the opposite of what we've been doing.
01:56:55
And also, I think the six have always had that predictable kind of decision making.
01:57:03
I would like to see them do things outside the box.
01:57:06
I would always like them.
01:57:07
I would also like to see them, you know, not put all their eggs in one basket.
01:57:13
I kind of, like, the fact that they're in talks for everything, whether it's trade, free agency, whatever.
01:57:19
I kind of like that.
01:57:20
I like the fact that in everything and we don't know nothing I like because I feel like Oh, jeez, moving silence.
01:57:30
So I kind of like how they're going about their business.
01:57:33
And I kind of just hope that we have a couple free agency and test your draft.
01:57:40
And, you know, we get to see a better product on the court because I think as fans, that's what we would want.
01:57:47
Right? JP, I appreciate it.
01:57:50
Appreciate your time and talk to you soon.
01:57:54
All right, All right.
01:57:56
You know, Sinden, that's free agent we get is gonna be via trade, bro.
01:58:01
That zaid through trade, you said the next Oh, the next big player we get is gonna be through a trade.
01:58:10
I mean, probably.
01:58:11
Yeah, but anyway, ladies and gentlemen, listen, tomorrow night or tomorrow, probably during the day, not tomorrow night, you'll get the notification.
01:58:22
I'll be doing another mock big board.
01:58:26
Right? This will be the third installment, The final mark, Big boy, before we get to the draft and then our draft night.
01:58:31
Wednesday night.
01:58:32
I'll be on Wednesday night.
01:58:35
Uh, die hard.
01:58:37
Knicks.
01:58:38
I think it's gonna be on there.
01:58:39
We'll have Nick ish.
01:58:41
Andy should be there.
01:58:42
Tony? Mark, I'm pretty short.
01:58:44
Mark is gonna be there stressing out okay, Mark is gonna be stressing out.
01:58:49
So listen, you might wanna log in just for that, because you might see a meltdown on live YouTube in SportsCastr, You're saying you might see a live meltdown on SportsCastr on Wednesday? Everything right on Thursday, Borough? Everything I'm saying.
01:59:06
So you know, you're gonna want you don't want to join in because, you know Mark, Mark is gonna be Mark is gonna be It's gonna be fun.
01:59:14
Let's put it like that is gonna be fun, man.
01:59:16
Be honest.
01:59:17
I just like it to be honest with people, man and trusting.
01:59:21
Yeah, we have to.
01:59:23
We just have to do something decent.
01:59:25
Just something decent.
01:59:26
If it's to take bad contract to get pics, just do something smart.
01:59:32
Nothing dumb.
01:59:33
Please.
01:59:34
Please.
01:59:35
Hey, Divine.
01:59:36
What's going on with you, man? Can you hear? Yeah.
01:59:43
There you go, my brother.
01:59:44
How you feeling? Way.
01:59:49
Just You know, we're just going over these scenarios We bought the log off in a minute here, but because I got something going on with die hard Knicks podcast shortly.
02:00:01
But, um, I don't know.
02:00:04
What do you take on things, man? E mean for the Westbrook thing? I'm all in.
02:00:08
I think if you could get him, pick up a Christian Woods and throw a couple of pieces around him, Christian would maybe like two years.
02:00:16
And the teen Austin time Westbrook contractors up time was contractors up.
02:00:20
Then you could get RJ is money, so I think it could work.
02:00:23
Man, I think it be excited to get him there, you know, because that brought the cat wise.
02:00:27
He got three years left, get Christian was a couple of years to team up.
02:00:31
So and then when that expires, or get his money, whoever you want to go.
02:00:34
So I'm willing to take that gamble.
02:00:35
We need it.
02:00:36
I'm gonna say this, though.
02:00:37
I'm gonna say this though, divine.
02:00:38
We have to still look at Detroit because they got nothing.
02:00:41
I think he's gonna e he's gonna resign with them because they got throw him a significant amount of money if he if he was to go to free agency.
02:00:47
He's not gonna get that money that the troika look for him.
02:00:50
So e don't think he option for us.
02:00:52
I mean, we could look at him, but we have to be realistic.
02:00:55
Detroit looks at bad even worse than us, bro.
02:00:57
You're right. You're right.
02:00:59
I would love to get him, though.
02:01:00
He had that hanging up.
02:01:01
Durant them on the on the on the baseline.
02:01:03
We need some tall wings like that.
02:01:05
Who can play them? Durant and those guys, man.
02:01:07
So I would like to do it if we could get him.
02:01:10
He's still he's still questionable because he only had a 12 game like surge when he was doing all that stuff.
02:01:15
So we gotta be careful players like that.
02:01:17
So you gotta be careful, but I think the truth is gonna resign them because they got no, They got no assets either.
02:01:25
They got to do what they gotta do.
02:01:26
Keogh, French ops, video of Frank.
02:01:31
It's called French ops.
02:01:33
I mean, I think it's a problem workout video with him and some cats and, um, oversee them.
02:01:38
And that cat is putting in some work.
02:01:40
I didn't see.
02:01:41
I didn't see it.
02:01:42
I didn't see it, but I definitely go check it out.
02:01:44
And I see YouTube is called French Option.
02:01:47
It's like a two minute video.
02:01:49
I mean, it's amazing how Frank looking at video what we've been seeing lately.
02:01:53
Think this contract you're gonna do something for? I'm definitely going to check that out.
02:01:57
And I think I think Kevin Knox's agent was talking with Iain Begg Leah's.
02:02:02
Well, I'm gonna check that out, see what he's talking about.
02:02:05
Uh, you know, uh, you know, with Kevin Knox.
02:02:08
He was talking about his work with Tom Thibodeau and Kenny Pain over the summer.
02:02:13
Uh, a little message out with how the Knicks feel about Latina looking at a za long time a long time project brought I've been telling people that I don't think he's going nowhere, you know.
02:02:30
E think Jason J.
02:02:31
Jason, just put that video in the SportsCastr.
02:02:34
Check the one that you're talking about.
02:02:36
The viral Frank Miller.
02:02:37
Hey, just put the video on the jack.
02:02:38
I'm just saying that man, I was proud.
02:02:41
I'm like, Oh, my goodness, He looks unbelievable.
02:02:43
There's not even that he's gonna be cost effective.
02:02:46
And the dude wants to be in New York like you're being people when it comes from overseas.
02:02:50
New York is the place they wanna be, bro.
02:02:52
And they will be hard for a young guy like him to just e eight year or 8.
02:02:59
32 million for four years.
02:03:01
E give itto.
02:03:03
No, he's gonna get something like that.
02:03:05
I don't think you get over 10, but he's gonna He's gonna get more years.
02:03:07
E more likely what? We'll see what We'll see what he brings.
02:03:12
You know what I'm saying? This is gonna be for him.
02:03:15
You know, Dennis Smith Jr may not be here, but for But for Frank, this is gonna be a key year.
02:03:20
Uh, he's gonna be in the MBA because he can play defense.
02:03:25
It's gonna be in the NBA, right? I think it's gonna be a key year for him.
02:03:29
He's got he's got a he's got, you know, he's got to get up average that 10 points, 45 assists and play defense.
02:03:36
Knocked down 23 him.
02:03:39
He's gonna have the average 10 points.
02:03:40
He could averaged eight points.
02:03:42
Give me 23 threes Again.
02:03:44
E.
02:03:45
When I seen himself, I'm telling you when I seen that.
02:03:47
Do the person in the high level game where it matter.
02:03:50
It's just a different player broke.
02:03:53
So we got we got our cultures to put him in position when the games with steaks, and it matters his his level of game just rises broke.
02:04:02
And that's why given that last game of the season with Washington 2010 Yeah.
02:04:08
Finally.
02:04:09
Eclipse of 20 to 20.
02:04:10
Mark man.
02:04:11
First time.
02:04:12
First time in his career.
02:04:15
But, hey, I'm gonna head up out of here.
02:04:17
I got to prepare for another show.
02:04:19
E just want to get you guys 30 seconds, man.
02:04:22
Last words from you guys.
02:04:23
And next week on next week, we we got some stuff.
02:04:26
We got some.
02:04:27
We got some games lined up that we're gonna, you know, play.
02:04:29
We got some stuff lined up.
02:04:31
And if you're and became a member, remember, Be on the lookout for for for ah, notification about a game night.
02:04:40
Virtual game night is gonna be pretty dope.
02:04:43
So if you remember, just look out for that notification.
02:04:46
Um, yeah, What's the schedule for this week again? Tomorrow I'll be doing a a mock big board And then Wednesday, of course, we're covering the draft, you know? So you know, just be there and be ready to go, man, be ready to flow.
02:05:04
Alright? And on Friday, whoever we draft will be doing a coach's corner on that play.
02:05:10
Oh, any other players that we have, So you know, but yeah, let's get some last words in here, man.
02:05:19
Before we had about here Divine since I was talking to you, we might as well start with you.
02:05:23
Get some last words before we rock up out of here.
02:05:25
But hopefully Wednesday, man, we have a good draft where we take, you know, I hope the next pick right, But what we take, I know we're gonna make it work for us and we can't get Lemelle a with trades.
02:05:35
I'm that will OBE or vessel? I'm with them three.
02:05:39
I take vessel O b.
02:05:42
And then we could get the mellow I'm good.
02:05:44
Okay. All right, Anthony.
02:05:48
Got yourself, brother, You gotta amuse yourself.
02:05:52
Cool.
02:05:54
Good.
02:05:55
So I'm gonna say is get ready because something that is gonna happen.
02:06:00
I don't know what it is, but something big from the happen and I'm so ready Let's make it happen.
02:06:06
I'm telling you, I agree.
02:06:08
I agree.
02:06:09
I think you know there's gonna be some moves.
02:06:11
I don't think the nexus sitting still at all it is gonna be moved.
02:06:15
E don't know if even if we draft our eighth pick, we're either gonna make another trade on the side to get rid of one of our guys.
02:06:23
Or we're gonna trade up or we're going to get Westbrook.
02:06:26
But I just have that feeling that something big is gonna happen.
02:06:29
Because, like you said before, Tibbs wants to win now.
02:06:31
So something has to happen.
02:06:33
If that's gonna be the case.
02:06:34
Yeah, exactly.
02:06:35
Exactly.
02:06:36
Tony.
02:06:38
Uh, no way.
02:06:39
Shout out to the shot.
02:06:41
Got this time saying, Keep doing your thing.
02:06:44
Um I like to I really do Say that again.
02:06:52
Oh, boy.
02:06:54
You know my bad. My bad.
02:06:59
Shout out to the chat, Your black It's time.
02:07:02
Some keep doing your thing.
02:07:04
I really like Naysmith.
02:07:05
We need to talk about him a little bit more as well.
02:07:08
We need that shooting and yeah, how about you let it All right, I'm heart.
02:07:17
Listen, man, you already know what it iss man Divine.
02:07:20
Don't be late Next time, man.
02:07:22
Don't listen.
02:07:25
Don't disrespect the war room, man.
02:07:27
It's the War Room.
02:07:28
Glad you're here.
02:07:29
I'm glad for any newcomers.
02:07:31
God, Sam, appreciate the love.
02:07:35
Anybody that want to join the colt Look, singles stars like a gamble way.
02:07:44
That's what I'm saying.
02:07:45
Way to below.
02:07:47
Well below his level. I gotta go there.
02:07:49
His chat.
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You got freeze.
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You got freezing on the late night on this little freak night.
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Goddammit! Late You got Andy, Andy, Andy, that European ****ysts.
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You know, I'm saying you got me one day I'll break out like a startled But you're saying love is love, man.
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Love is love you, by the way.
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He had Harry Carson, legendary New York giant Harry Carson on the show today.
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Knicks Weekly | NBA Trade Day | With Chris Paul off the table, will NYK make a move?

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Simeon Russell @SimeonRussell

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next family was popping.
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It's your boy.
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I got my brother, Tony Crow here.
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We got some other people that's gonna be popping in soon enough.
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We're gonna go ahead and get this thing live.
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And yo, it's n betrayed day.
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Or at least they they started having the ability to trade today or to, or to finalize trade agreements.
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Today so far has only really been one big trade that's happened.
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But it does impact the New York Knicks, and we're gonna talk about that.
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We're gonna talk about Russell Westbrook, James Harden and anything else that might go down.
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We got to draft in two days.
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Uh, let's go ahead and get this thing popping, man.
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Tony Crow.
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What's popping with your brother? How you feeling? I'm good.
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I'm good.
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Shout out to the chat. You're like this time.
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Yo, man, it's gonna be a lot more movement, man.
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Well, I mean, the thing is, the thing is, this today just opened up the ability for the Knicks to make for any team, not just the Knicks.
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For any team in the n b A to make trades, it just opened up.
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You know, the ability doesn't mean that they had to make trades today.
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You know what I'm saying? So I do expect that there's gonna be more moves.
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We're gonna see more moves at some point.
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Obviously.
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The biggest move today.
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Hey, Cp three to the Phoenix Suns.
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Right. That's the biggest move today.
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Um, tell me, God, you guys tell me.
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Tell me what you think about that Trade CP three to the Phoenix Suns.
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And how does it impact the New York Knicks? Obviously, we know how it impacts the Knicks.
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He's not coming to the New York Knicks, right? But it probably impacts him in other ways, but go ahead.
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Somebody somebody started off for me.
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No, I'm gonna I'm gonna make it easy.
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The sun's got that much better that the Dallas Mavericks, they're gonna be lower than them.
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So that's, you know, next year's for us.
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Uh, I mean, the sun's definitely got better, right? So now you got you got a point guard that came, um, get the ball out of Devon Booker's hands and let him play off the ball.
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I mean, they already had that with Ricky Rubio, but ah, better point guard.
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A better smarter point guard.
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who could score the basketball.
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Great basketball like you, you know, has the fire and the desire behind them.
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And he's in Phoenix, a place where, you know, ah, lot of older vets.
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They go to Phoenix and they get some new life because of the weather and all that kind of stuff.
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You know, there's a little bit of Zen going on in Arizona that helps some of these older players rejuvenate their careers.
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You know what I mean? Um, so it takes him off the table for the New York Knicks.
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Though Snow knows on the table for the New York Knicks, some people might be disappointed.
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Some some people may be like, Okay, that's cool, whatever.
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But it has implications for the New York Knicks, regardless, not just because he won't be in New York Knick.
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But if the Knicks plan on making a trade for point guard because I truly believe that, Yeah, the Knicks are not looking to the draft for their point guard for the season.
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It's either through trade or free agency, right, So right now you got a couple of options off the table, then the shooters off the table, so that's where the Los Angeles Lakers Chris Paul, off the table was on his way.
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Okay, see you guys talk to me about who's left.
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I don't even know what we're talking.
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Well, we'll just talk trades first.
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Let's talk trades first.
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Who's who's left on the trade market? Is there? Are there any point guards left on the trade market besides Russell Westbrook E.
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You got Russell Westbrook.
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You know that.
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You know he's there.
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And you know the Knicks are interested.
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And, you know, the Knicks air talking.
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I don't care what no one says.
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You know, the Knicks are interested and they're talking.
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Then if that was that, was that happened? It doesn't happen the next time giving up their assets for they want him on the low.
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If they can't get him on a loan, sign out. Arrest Westbrook.
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I think if they if they want to rest Westbrook.
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We had had them already, just like how sons got.
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Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait but etc. Etc. Etc.
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Just because it hasn't happened already doesn't mean that they don't want him, and it doesn't mean that they're not talking on negotiating.
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Remember, there's also this whole thing with James Harden.
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That makes it where? Okay, there's this thing with James Harden.
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So if Houston is also gonna move James Harden, they're also gonna move.
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Russell Westbrook.
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What's that mean for Houston? That means that now they are breaking down their roster.
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They are rebuilding.
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They are restarting, right? So that that means there's a lot of moving parts.
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And so they may be looking to move a lot of different contracts, which means there could be three team trades going on, you know, discussions of three team trades and all that kind of stuff, right? So I'm not going to say if it was going to happen and would have happened because there could be a lot of parts moving.
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Well, guess what? I don't think the Knicks were gonna do it, because guess what? We don't have to.
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And if Houston's action for something out of pocket, I'm glad they're not even looking that way because I think that's what they're gonna do.
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If they're looking to break up that team, they're looking for assets, and most likely they will be asking, and then they just don't want to give up.
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So in that case.
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If you're trying to stronghold us, it ain't happening.
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I'm glad it ain't.
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But I'm just saying you don't know what is happening.
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You know, you don't know what's happening.
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Because they could also be looking for cap space.
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So, um, and your question, what other team do you do? You see Russell's We're going to What? You before you go that far, Mark, Who's Mark? You might consider that the Knicks, maybe asking for too much from Phoenix and Phoenix, may not be wanting to give up.
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I mean, Houston may not be wanting to give up a lot.
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Like, for instance, the Knicks Maybe wanting broke and Robert Covington in the deal, right? You know, because because it solves it.
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Solves to position needs for the Knicks.
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Like a three d wing, a small forward, because last year, Mohawk list with the small forward.
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And if you don't think Robert Covington is an upgrade, then what s what s O.
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Okay, So So you don't think that that teams are interested in Robert Covington? Why would I bring on an extra 50 50 some 50 plus million dollars? They look looking to get rid of three player he's in the lead.
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Three and the wing you could get.
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You could solve your point guard issue for three years, and you could bring on an Elite three and the wing from a team that's looking to rebuild so we can give them rebuild.
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Rebuild pieces.
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A three and a Nelly three D wing at age 30 is not as valuable to a rebuilding team and say draft picks or young players.
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So Houston is in a desperate situation, right? Because they could either keep Russell Westbrook, James Harden.
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James Harden would save James Harden will be traded, right? Alright, treat.
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First they get what they get by, and then they come to the next to say blah, blah, blah, the next say, no.
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We don't have to trade for Russell Westbrook.
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That is the greatest thing about what the place that makes it right now.
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So whatever you still want to do is either they want to keep that contract.
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No.
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One I know they don't want to because of that money and what has been lost from the owner and you got rid of James Harden.
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What's the point of keeping Russell Westbrook? So in that case, if they're acting force that they're trying to stronghold the next and the next say no.
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Give me Russell Westbrook.
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Just just because you want to get rid of that contract, that's the thing.
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They want to get rid of that contract.
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And we're the perfect thing that to absorb it.
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So that's more than enough.
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What's more than enough? Eso Mark I understand.
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I understand everything that you're saying.
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What I'm saying to you is, you know, it's like like you're right, Okay? The Knicks, you know, don't wanna be, you know, they don't wanna be fleeced.
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What I'm saying is, still there could be conversations going on, right? Just because it hold up, hold up.
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Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it's not gonna happen.
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It just means that it hasn't happened yet.
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It could happen, right? It could happen.
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But who else, if not Russell Westbrook, which I do believe that the Knicks are probably talking with Houston and in discussions with Okay, Alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, relax and in discussion with Houston.
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You know about Russell Westbrook and the way that things are laid out with the Houston Rockets right now And what James Harden wants to do.
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Houston is probably looking at You know what? We're going to restart. We're gonna rebuild.
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What do we need to rebuild? So what do they need to rebuild? They need cap space place.
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They needs.
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They need cap space.
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They need picks.
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If they're gonna bring back players, they need players on short contracts.
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The Knicks have burned with that.
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Okay.
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The Knicks have all of that, Andy? Yeah, I was I was going to say about the you know, the point guards you asked that are still on the market.
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For one.
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The pelicans are shipping, shopping, Uh, drew holiday.
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But from what? The rumors are that they're getting plenty off offers and they are just picking the best offer for them, you know? So that's that's one thing on the other.
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You know, scenario side.
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I think Ricky Rubio went to the O.
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K.
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C.
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Thunder in that deal, but I'm pretty sure that they are well, waiting with that deal toe.
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Get it done on Sunday because that's gonna be available.
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Some capital applications are available, you know, from sunday on, right.
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So I'm thinking they're gonna make the deal official on Sunday until that point, I think they can find another team to get Ricky Rubio off their hands.
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So I think repeal Ricky Rubio might be available as well.
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Not to mention free agents like Rajon Rondo, because he's not gonna be coming back to the, you know, to the Lakers since they got any shorter.
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And you go on the Clippers, bro.
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Yeah.
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Then we were talking about it that he made.
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He might jump ship, you know, and just go to the Clippers and, you know, off course on the rest is like, you know, here, you know, I don't know 345 even like D.
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J.
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Augustine and stuff like that.
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So, you know, I'm not gonna mention you, for example, because, you know, he's probably just waiting for the biggest offer as the money goes.
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And he was actually saying this on the JJ Red**** podcast that, you know, he got a chip.
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He wants to run a team, and he's not gonna lie.
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He's 26 years old, and he's gonna back the money, right? So, you know? Yeah.
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So I'm guessing he he really is gonna go for the money.
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And I hope the next won't give him the money, though.
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He is moving, losing leverage with the CPS radio.
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He's losing leverage.
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Every trade that happens is work for him.
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So we know Maybe if he's gonna wait till, like, you know, I don't know.
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Someday, Andi later on, he's gonna be getting around.
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I don't know, 20 even less than 20.
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But, you know, I don't see that happening.
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I see some teams throwing the bag at him as well.
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So here's the thing with the Knicks, and the Knicks are gonna make a move for Make a trade.
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It probably needs to happen by 3 p.
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m.
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Tomorrow because of those contracts, because off, because of the Alfred Peyton's and Taj Gibson in those guys because of their contracts, the Knicks have to make a decision on those guys.
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Alfred, Peyton, Bobby Portis, Right, Taj Gibson.
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Who else is in there? Whoever else is in there, Reggie Bullock, right? The Knicks have to make a decision on whether or not they're going to keep these guys, or they're gonna waive them right if they're going to keep them in their contracts, become fully guaranteed.
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Wayne Ellington.
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There's another guy forgot. Wayne Ellington.
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They're gonna keep on those contracts, become fully guaranteed if they're gonna waive them.
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Did they only have to pay him a million dollars for 24,021 then they're off the books.
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Any team, but they trade them to that contract.
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Goes with them.
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Okay, so there are trade ships, the Knicks.
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If they're going to make a move, they're probably gonna use one or two of those guys in a trade to help a team like the Rockets or whoever else shed some salary.
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That means that they've got to make a move.
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They don't have to, but it's more than likely that if they make a move, is going to be done by 3 p.m. Tomorrow.
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But they could do it up until Thursday, Right? No, I believe tomorrow is Wait a minute.
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Wait a minute.
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Wait a minute.
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When does I'm sorry? I'm sorry.
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That's right.
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Not tomorrow Thursday, Up until up until the 19th.
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My best E, right? I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, let me correct myself.
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They have until 3 p.m. On the 19th.
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So if they're going to make a deal, it's going to be till three PM on the 19th.
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Not tomorrow, the 19th.
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So I just want to correct myself there.
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All right, so they have some time.
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They have 123 days.
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So just because it didn't happen today doesn't mean that, you know, something is not gonna happen.
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Especially if the Rockets are breaking down their roster.
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You know, that means a lot of moves could take place.
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The Rockets have, you know, pieces that, you know the rest of the league might want those PJ talkers, Robert Covington's Eric Gordon's.
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Those are players that are gonna be needed from championship contender teams.
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Yeah, eso again if the Knicks are gonna make a move expected before 3 p.
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m.
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On Thursday, because that's when contracts like the Elfrid Payton's the Bobby Portis is Wayne Ellington's.
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The Knicks got to decide whether or not they are going to, um, whether or not they're gonna keep him or wave them or another team if they're gonna keep him or if they're gonna waive them.
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So what's up interest right now? With that, do we should we make a deal before on this draft for or should we just wait and do it after you think a graphic okay, on draft day, I think is the best time to do it.
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Because then we could see what we could be able to work out with the teams that are trying to move down or whether we want to move down.
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E I agree.
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I agree with that on draft day because teams kind of start to get themselves into a pinch when it's on draft day, right? They get themselves into a little bit of a pinch.
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Um, where they are, kind off.
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You know, it's a high pressure moment.
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And when it's a high pressure moment, you know your adrenaline is pumping.
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You think a little bit less, you know, now you're supposed to have a group of people in there in the war room.
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But sometimes it happens with the entire group on Draft Day is probably the best time to make a deal.
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Yeah, God, Andy.
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Yeah, And you know, I agree with you guys.
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But the most important thing about those deals on draft nights that if a team selects a dude and then trace him, they can trade the next year respect because they made the selection so that's important because you can't trade pigs and consecutive years.
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So if we do it before the draft, the team that would be trading the draft pick has toe.
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You know, their block.
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They can't trade the pick from the next year, right? So that's that's pretty much important.
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That's why the Lakers can finalize the deal for shorter, because they're sending 28th pick toe.
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Okay, see? So they're gonna pick. They make them.
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They're gonna make the pick for, you know, for the O.
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K C Thunder.
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So the guy's gonna wear the probably the hat, and then he's gonna go off, you know, and and change the hat that That's no basic logic for that.
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I don't think it a little bit in the communication. The Knicks.
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I think we need to do a trade before the draft, establish a direction, go into the draft with a clear mind set on who you wanna pick with spots that are available.
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Say, for instance, if you pull or Russell Westbrook and Robert Covington deal in this hypothetical, then at eight at eight, you know that you don't necessarily need the point guard of the future at eight or a wingman of the future at eight.
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Because you just traded for You know, I'm saying it gives you to me.
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I think it gives you time to to look at your Rasta, that best for more is gone and move in a direction of team.
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Look, you know e on li se se 24 48 hours difference.
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A difference.
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But in my in my when she when she direction, you could probably, you know, draft better.
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Basically Islam getting it and see.
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But see, I I think I mean, I agree with you.
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I understand, right? You make a move, and then you can You can kind of understand what you need.
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I don't think the knicks if they trade for Westbrook, if they trade for Mike Conley, whoever it is or if they don't trade for those guys, I don't think they're finding their point guard of the future at eight.
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That's my opinion.
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I don't think they're finding that guy.
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Eight.
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Um and I don't think they want to go into the season with a rookie or Frank or D S J.
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At point guard.
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E I don't think exactly not what, Thibodeau.
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I don't think they want to go into the season with those guys. That point guard.
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I think that they are looking to bring in a veteran point guard.
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Yeah, or a veteran.
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Ah, veteran point guard or somebody that moves the needle or both, right in one player, Chris Paul was kind of that guy, right? That that, you know, moves the needle a little bit.
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Brings that veteran point guard knowledge.
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He's gone.
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He's off the table, you know? Now where do they find that guy who knows, Right? Who knows if they were Web brokers? I mean, I mean Westbrook Westbrook.
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You know, he's a possibility form, but I don't think they're gonna over pay.
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I really don't, uh, from Tommy beer.
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This is from Tommy Beer.
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Just a couple of minutes ago, he says If the Rockets trade Russell Westbrook this week, they reportedly may have to settle for a package highlighted by Julius Randle in Dennis Smith Jr.
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That's perfect, and I'll do that.
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I will do that all day long.
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You send, you send out you send out $26 million in in in in cap space, right? You send out $26 million you bring back west was Russell Westbrook.
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You eat 14 million.
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So 14 million tears into your cap space.
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He still got 26 to $30 million.
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Suspending free agency.
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Yep, Right now, the Knicks are holding out being easy for a trade like that.
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That's what you dio I will do all day long and every day on Sunday.
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Here's the thing, and this is A lot of people don't realize this.
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The Knicks have almost all the leverage in this Russell Westbrook's all.
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They have all the leverage because they're one of the few teams, if not the only team that has enough cap space to even take on the contract at all and the draft picks and everything like that.
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So I think that we could be able to make this deal happen without giving up too much and by not giving up too much, I mean, not having to give up any of the future graphics, maybe one and a second round or something like that, but nothing crazy.
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I mean, Knicks can still get this veteran guy who could be a star who could be the outfall on the team and still build for the future, and still, but this is exactly what they're saying.
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Since the beginning, when everything was happening.
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We can go out and get someone like this and still take care of the future as well.
00:22:00
Okay, All right.
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Now, let me ask you if this happens, let's say let's say it happens.
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Diehard.
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Let's say this happens, Right? Um, Julius Randle, Dennis Smith, Jr.
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They get traded for Russell Westbrook.
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Okay.
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And probably, you know, maybe a low.
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Maybe a low round draft pick or something like that.
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Uh, has to go along with it.
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Now, what do the Knicks What did the Knicks looking at at eight, if that happens, Yeah.
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Uh, yeah, you're looking.
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You're looking for you looking for a big, I guess.
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You know, toe full of that void with Julius Randle, because, I mean, you're gonna have Westbrook.
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You're gonna need somebody to run out there with them and protect whatever it is we kind of got.
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We kind of got wings or whatever.
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I mean, we have money to, so we disguise the living with us, right? We like John said we could just sit back with a feed up and just just let them talk to us now.
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We don't want that now.
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We don't want that.
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You know, we don't We don't have to worry about none of that.
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You know, we're in the driver's.
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That's what I was saying.
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That's why the next.
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That's why Nix was looking at Isaiah Stewart from Washington because he's a powerful that will fill that space.
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Incredible Motor could shoot, could spread the floor and could rebound.
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So I think they're gonna be looking at him at 27th pick and at eight at, if I was the next eight.
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If I get Russell Westbrook on a deal like that, I'm trading that.
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I'm trading down with Boston.
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Give me 14, 26 30 and then I could get numerous of wings and other shooters in and other bigs and do it like that.
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That's what I would do because I'm not.
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I'm not too sure.
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Another eight.
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All right, go ahead, Josh.
00:23:37
The Knicks should go after best player available that they're available like that because because we need talent.
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It's a talent problem on this team.
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It's not necessarily a fit problem.
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It's a talent problem.
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Last year when we had Julius Randle and R.
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J.
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Barrett.
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People were saying that Julius Randle was crippling R.
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J. Barrett, but that was not the case.
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The case wasn't just could have enough shooting and enough talent on the roster to be competitive.
00:24:01
So at eight, I'm going out to the best player available and Kobe toppings off the board.
00:24:06
Then we have to start looking at a coral.
00:24:07
We have to start looking at Tyree Tyler Burton, Tyreese, Halliburton.
00:24:11
I think Tyreese Halliburton would be a tremendous hit for the team because I feel like he can come in and play right away, if not in the starting line up off the bench, as 1/6 man or in that rotation.
00:24:21
But I'll be looking at best care available and way.
00:24:24
Can't just look for, like, little pieces that could fit the team here or 50 team here when there's not much challenger Rocky to begin with.
00:24:32
Okay, All right, let me get to this phone.
00:24:34
Call real quick. Quality alive.
00:24:36
What's popping? Hey, send peace to the chat.
00:24:39
My name is Robert, so I'm talking about Wessel Westbrook.
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He doesn't play championship basketball.
00:24:48
He is a ball hog.
00:24:51
We should be talking about no water words, but we should not even want him to come nowhere near New York.
00:24:56
A matter of fact, if you go to New York, let him go with that with Durant.
00:25:00
We don't even want Appreciate.
00:25:01
Don't want him.
00:25:03
We don't need him.
00:25:05
You don't We don't need him for really.
00:25:08
We don't need him.
00:25:10
So now listen, I'm not I haven't been the highest personal Russell Westbrook, but I am one who believes if he comes to this team, he changes the trajectory of this team right away.
00:25:24
And you still can.
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And you still can have enough assets.
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Especially if you get him on the cheap.
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Because I can't picture Russell Westbrook and Julius Randle playing together.
00:25:34
Chris, Paul, Julius Randle.
00:25:36
I could have Russell Westbrook of Julius Randle.
00:25:39
No, I think if you're bringing in Russell Westbrook, you gotta You gotta include Julius Randle in that trade.
00:25:44
I just don't see them too.
00:25:45
I can't see.
00:25:46
I don't like the way it looks together, right? But I do believe that if you if you do include Julius Randle, Dennis Smith Jr.
00:25:56
Like we just read from Tommy beer and he was not saying that that's, you know something is definitely gonna goingto happen, He's saying reportedly, That's what Houston may have to accept for Russell Westbrook and you know, some other pieces.
00:26:11
And if it turns out to be that way, then you know the Knicks still have.
00:26:16
I mean, listen, most people didn't don't believe in Dennis Smith Jr Most people don't want Julius Randle, right? So you're not.
00:26:25
It's not like you're giving up a whole lot of cap space because you still got $30 million in cap space.
00:26:29
You would still have your picks.
00:26:31
You would still have your young players, including Mitchell Robinson, including, frankly, Latina, including R.
00:26:36
J.
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Barrett, including Kevin Knox.
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How are you stopping a rebuild if you do that trade, you are adding, stopping to rebuild.
00:26:44
But what I'm The only thing I'm saying is that he hasn't.
00:26:48
That's why him and Harden couldn't with no chance couldn't get to the championship.
00:26:52
That's why he stopped on the rent into the championship that one year he is a ball hog.
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He don't he don't know how he but listen.
00:27:00
But listen, but check it out.
00:27:02
But right now, whether Knicks are we're looking, we're not looking for a championship.
00:27:08
We're looking for respectability.
00:27:11
That's that's where we got to start.
00:27:13
We've got to start with respectability, right? And I think Westbrook brings instant respectability.
00:27:20
Does he bring you to a championship? Maybe not, But he gives you respectability, and he gives you, Uh, okay.
00:27:30
Helps Helps make you relevant.
00:27:32
As long as they could put some pieces around them so that they could be kind of relevant.
00:27:35
And then it gives you You know what people would say.
00:27:38
You know what? Maybe New York is a good place because James Harden, he wants to get out of Houston.
00:27:43
Philly, Philly, Brooklyn, Right? Look what like? No, but listen, but listen to what I'm saying.
00:27:52
Listen, what I'm saying Jew holiday he wants, you know, they're gonna move him from New Orleans.
00:27:59
He, you know, has stated that he wants to go to a team that can consent.
00:28:04
So you don't want to go to a team like the Knicks.
00:28:07
He wants to go to a team that has the ability to put him in a position to make the playoffs right.
00:28:16
It is very hard to attract players, and we could talk about building our own players.
00:28:20
All we want, Yes, you have to build your young players.
00:28:23
But at some point, if you are going to win a championship, you need free agents.
00:28:29
You're gonna have to do it through trades as well.
00:28:31
Name me.
00:28:32
I challenge anyone to name me one team that has won a championship with all homegrown players.
00:28:39
I guarantee you, you can't.
00:28:42
I guarantee you that you're gonna You're gonna need better.
00:28:45
You're gonna need the combination of young players and veterans in order to win a championship.
00:28:51
You need You need a combination, right? So sometimes sometimes you gotta take the steps and you know, the the point in Russell Westbrook.
00:29:00
And I agree with some of the things that just saying because I have the same type of mindset, Although I'm not gonna be mad at the trade for him, you know, I'm gonna root for him, and I'm gonna understand what they're looking to do, right? But we've got to find a way to bring some respectability to the team, right? You know, how do we do it? Look at that.
00:29:20
Look at the division that we play in.
00:29:23
Look at our division and that James Harden goes to either Philly of Brooklyn.
00:29:28
Look at our division.
00:29:29
You got Brooklyn, you got Toronto.
00:29:32
You've got the Celtics.
00:29:34
You got Philly.
00:29:35
And then there's the Knicks.
00:29:37
Like all of those teams right there.
00:29:40
Could potentially contend for the Eastern Conference finals next this upcoming season, except for weeks waiting.
00:29:48
Another piece this year.
00:29:50
Okay.
00:29:52
Respectability, man.
00:29:53
Appreciate the call. Booth.
00:29:55
All right, appreciate way.
00:30:00
Got to expedite the process.
00:30:01
Got good, Josh.
00:30:02
I just want to say something real quick.
00:30:04
The notion that Russell Westbrook was the problem on Houston last year is just complete nonsense.
00:30:09
They went with Mike D'Antoni as the coach, and they got rid of all of their bigs.
00:30:13
The reason why they didn't beat the Lakers because they had no bigs.
00:30:16
You Tucker was playing the five and Russell Westbrook, sometimes in the lineup as a five on the floor.
00:30:22
They had no bigs at all, Actually, reason why they lost.
00:30:25
It wasn't because of Russell Westbrook.
00:30:27
Gosh, it's not about I don't People don't like Russell Westbrook because of his decision making in games.
00:30:34
That is one of the one of the most reasons.
00:30:37
It's not about his efforts, not What you do on the court is about.
00:30:40
When you are high level player, you have to be.
00:30:42
If you're not going to be efficient, you have to be at least smart on the floor.
00:30:46
And there's times where you watch him with the ball and he will kill his own team single handedly.
00:30:53
So people are just afraid off him with the younger guys.
00:30:57
But like I said, I wouldn't trade a ball off boat low fare.
00:31:02
But if I can get him on the cheap, I'm taking him because I need someone that can attack the paint and do things at a consistent rate that we don't have on this team.
00:31:13
So taking him again, you have to look at the next.
00:31:16
We're not a championship team.
00:31:17
We're not gonna be a champion studio, so you're looking like you kind of go in looking like that.
00:31:22
You're setting yourself up to be mad for the next three years, because e.
00:31:27
But I was responding to what he said he made Can Russell Westbrook on Houston last year.
00:31:31
That's why I brought that up, he said.
00:31:32
There was a plane stop.
00:31:34
People don't like this place.
00:31:35
Styles and decision making.
00:31:36
You can't be mad at people feeling the way about Russell Westbrook.
00:31:38
Because it is.
00:31:39
It is.
00:31:40
It is.
00:31:41
It is horrible to watch his decision making as a point guard broke.
00:31:44
It just is.
00:31:45
It's not about his, his character or his, uh, his his integrity.
00:31:50
And again, it's just about the decision making.
00:31:52
And that is a big problem when you're high elite point guards, I tell you what.
00:31:56
Another big I'll tell you what.
00:31:57
Another big problem in New York You can't call him ah, high elite point guard and then questioned his decision Making me an average a triple double drinking.
00:32:06
Oh, let him finish.
00:32:07
Hold on, hold on, Hold on, guys.
00:32:08
We gotta let people finish their sentence first before you say something.
00:32:13
So the decision making is based on on what we perceive would be a positive result, right? What? Seeing the man wide open in the corner for three.
00:32:25
Y'all thinking he should kick it out to that man? But you don't know if that man is knocking down shots.
00:32:31
His need is he even you know what I'm saying? Ready to take the shot? It's like when you see it on TV. You see worse.
00:32:37
Westbrook, look at that man and not pass it to him.
00:32:39
You like, man? He should have kicked it out to that guy in the corner for three.
00:32:42
You don't know if that man has been ice cold or red hot? You know, it seems like the best basketball play, right? But sometimes you gotta realize, what are we thinking in the flow of the game? You know what I'm saying? This, like it's a difference between kicking out in the corner to R. J.
00:33:00
Barrett or frightening Latina.
00:33:01
You know, I'm saying, if I have the ball, I would rather kick it to Frank near Latina, because historic well, the last season, Frankie Latina, Excuse me.
00:33:09
Shot 50% from three in the corner.
00:33:12
You know, I'm saying, do I just give you the Argentine corner? No, I give it to Frank because Frank is better at that shot.
00:33:18
It seems as if you should get it to ah, better offensive plan.
00:33:23
So the decision making peace is not one that you should just look at in the vacuum.
00:33:28
Just like what you watch on film and TV.
00:33:31
You gotta understand what's going on in the flow of the game.
00:33:35
That's all I want to say about what we owe with after eight.
00:33:44
Plus, I gotta averages eight plus assists for his cannot be others.
00:33:50
Thank you, I think.
00:33:52
Well, go ahead. Go ahead.
00:33:55
Because decision making has to do with shot selection.
00:33:58
He has, Ah, horrible socks shot selection.
00:34:00
He will chuck up three shots, you know, in three possessions in a row.
00:34:04
That's the type of that type of player Russell Westbrook is.
00:34:07
What you just said has nothing to do with him not being elite point.
00:34:10
I said He's still in elite point guard, but he has bad decision making.
00:34:15
It's passing within sometimes and is shooting.
00:34:18
He takes bad shots.
00:34:20
He shoots more than Kevin Durant per game.
00:34:22
That shouldn't happen.
00:34:25
All right, let me get Let me get to the Super Chat here.
00:34:27
Then let me get to a phone call.
00:34:29
All right.
00:34:30
Um, Julian Tran.
00:34:33
Thank you for the super chat.
00:34:34
He said assume we trade for Russell Westbrook on a discount.
00:34:37
How would you build the team this off season? Which players do you target? That's a good question, Tony.
00:34:45
I'm gonna come to you, man.
00:34:46
Which players do you target? We trade for Russell Westbrook, who were targeting.
00:34:50
I'm gonna assume if we trade for Russell Westbrook.
00:34:52
I'm going to assume that, um, Julius Randle is gone.
00:34:59
So how much cap space is that? Give us.
00:35:01
So you're looking at Probably I'm going to say anywhere between 26 30 million.
00:35:09
30 million.
00:35:12
And we're willing to go over the cat.
00:35:15
I'm definitely going after, uh, Jeremy Grant.
00:35:19
And you know, the dude from the net.
00:35:24
I'm drawing a blank right now.
00:35:26
Joe Harris.
00:35:27
Harrison like, it's gotta be shooters.
00:35:30
Basically, thank you.
00:35:32
And not just not just shooters.
00:35:35
The reason I wouldn't go after Bell Trans because he's just the shooter.
00:35:39
Like, I need some guys that's gonna play defense.
00:35:43
Um, and Joe Harris and, you know, I mean, he's a little bit of, ah, all around, guy.
00:35:49
He's not just a shooter.
00:35:51
So somebody who could guard the rants and and LeBron's and co wise and then, you know, I mean, somebody who's just a nice all around team player who could shoot.
00:36:03
Okay, those two guys will be on the top of my list.
00:36:06
Okay.
00:36:07
Who else wants to jump in there? Andy You're beautiful.
00:36:15
Yeah, I agree with Tony and with Josh that we're gonna need shooters.
00:36:20
I You know, when which is staying with with Westbrook.
00:36:25
I'm guessing we know that we're gonna have the center position.
00:36:30
Probably locked in with Mitch.
00:36:32
I don't know if Taj Gibson is gonna be no, like that backup center or whatever.
00:36:38
I think the athletic guys on the, you know, high position skyline, Paul, course and centers should be running up the court with Russell Westbrook because there's gonna be a fast paced team we're not gonna be having, you know, those slow mo guys, you know, and back court and, you know, half court offense, Probably.
00:36:59
So I'm guessing those guys like Kevin Knox Mitch on.
00:37:04
I'm gonna flourish with Westbrook.
00:37:06
Okay? All right.
00:37:08
Let me get to a call it real quick that I'm gonna come to you guys call you live.
00:37:10
What's popping? Hey, it's Oscar a while. Listen.
00:37:16
Oscars voices deep.
00:37:18
What happened? Oh, my goodness.
00:37:20
Getting deep and everything.
00:37:22
What's going on, man? How you feeling? Good. Good.
00:37:26
I know it's been a while, but I had to jump in with everything going on.
00:37:29
Like I understand that some people.
00:37:32
Some people are bored of the losing and want to make a, you know, a quick fix move.
00:37:36
And yes, Russ would bring, like you said respectability.
00:37:39
But problem is, as you said, like, Yes, he will not win you a championship.
00:37:43
But he would block any potential trajectory.
00:37:46
This team could have to a championship.
00:37:47
He wasn't an elite player last season.
00:37:49
Bottom line.
00:37:50
He's 32 he realized on athleticism, which, you know, you know, he's just gonna get worse over the next few years if you want to spend a ton of money this offseason, which I don't want to dio.
00:37:59
But if you dio spending, what is he making 45 million on? You know Van Bleak Christian would and Joe Harris not only will win you more games next season, they won't block the development of the rest of our core and their young like they're good assets for the future.
00:38:14
Why would you take on? A 32 year old point guard who is vastly overpaid, is supposed to be an elite finisher but was average at the room last season? Can't score in any other way rather than just building slowly Yes, we are.
00:38:28
The Knicks free agent free agents will come as long as we're not 17 and 65.
00:38:32
Like last year.
00:38:33
I'm not surprised that Katie and Kyrie didn't come because we were awful.
00:38:37
But as long as we're a decent team and maintain our flexibility, we can get start creations and this is not the way to do it.
00:38:44
So tell me what? What did your moves like, What do your moves this offseason? You know, who are you? Who would you focus on? Because, ladies and gentlemen, Oscar is gonna be a GM one day.
00:38:57
I'm telling you, he's gonna be a GM one day.
00:39:01
Who would you focus on? Well, this upcoming draft class is, uh, it's supposed to be elite, and I'm not.
00:39:08
I'm not ever want Thio advocate for tanking, But what I would do is maybe bring in one guy.
00:39:14
I really like Christian would try to get off Randall's money and then just bring in cheap shooting so that are often barely function.
00:39:21
And we can see what we have in our J um, and a dependable point guard, veteran point guard, But nothing, nothing like Chris Paul.
00:39:26
Me like D J.
00:39:27
Augustine.
00:39:28
And what you do is you put your young players in positions on the team where if they succeed, then the team is good and there's no reason to tank because you're young.
00:39:36
Players are good.
00:39:37
If they're they're bad, then you're in the lottery.
00:39:40
What you don't want is for Bobby Portis to when you seven games next year.
00:39:43
Your young players struggle, and you're also, you know, not a top five team.
00:39:47
What you do is you let your young players time push your team in whatever direction that you need to go.
00:39:52
You don't You don't fill your team with six average veterans on team options like we did last year.
00:40:00
Okay, all right, all right.
00:40:02
You guys heard it, Josh, you heard it.
00:40:04
What's your retort, Josh? What's your retort? E.
00:40:09
Said, What? You're okay.
00:40:12
Hey, said his first point that he made was that Russell Westbrook was didn't have a big season last year.
00:40:18
That's what he was suggesting.
00:40:19
Russell Westbrook had a second highest scoring average and its entire career last season.
00:40:23
And Houston, like 20 points.
00:40:26
She just reference points per game.
00:40:28
Get this guy off.
00:40:29
Who is this guy? You say You really think point? Come on.
00:40:35
No one on that team, apart from apart from Harden, can create their own looking Okay.
00:40:41
28 47% from the field and took almost No.
00:40:45
Three. That's awful.
00:40:46
That's awful.
00:40:48
He's been doing that for his entire career, though.
00:40:49
He he wanted M v p by doing that, he won M v P because he averages triple Double that.
00:40:56
That's not that.
00:40:57
Doesn't dictate winning.
00:40:58
If he had to less rebounds, his team would have been just a good He would have been just a valuable but wouldn't want everything.
00:41:03
It's a narrative based award.
00:41:05
It's not. It's not an argument.
00:41:07
Eso you know? So you don't think he deserved it at all? You don't think he would? He deserved to be in that conversation at all.
00:41:12
What you're saying? I was like, I was, like, 10.
00:41:13
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say that I watched him that year, but based on what I've seen and like, stats, which I know we're not everything I mean okay, so let me Okay.
00:41:24
Let me Let me just put this in perspective for you waiting.
00:41:26
Waiting for a draft pick to hit is the equivalent of waiting on the next to go out to someone in free agency.
00:41:32
It's the same thing.
00:41:33
It's the same kind of narrative, because not only okay, if you do get get draft picks and you could get a chance to draft I you have to hit on those draft picks.
00:41:40
It's the same exact thing is waiting around for the next to get a free agent every a couple of years or so.
00:41:45
So all this stuff is talking about building up all these draft picks and waiting and waiting and waiting and tanking and tanking and tanking.
00:41:52
That's not winning basketball.
00:41:54
Good organizations don't lose year after year, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, they become good.
00:42:00
It's a it's a bill.
00:42:01
There's a building process, but you can't continue to tank and lose 60 games per year and expect that somehow and a miracle fashion that we're gonna be good one particular year.
00:42:09
That's that's not how you build winning basketball.
00:42:12
That that is not what I said at all.
00:42:14
What I said was to bring in, you suggested that you making a hold up, hold up jobs, hold up jobs let him finish.
00:42:24
I never said that We can't bring in some solid guys.
00:42:27
Like I said, I said, for example, if I said Joe Harrison, Christian, one thes guys are good players, they're not gonna cost you $45 million.
00:42:36
They're all young, They're going to get better and they can all shoot.
00:42:40
They all fit with a potential star Who would want Who would want to come? That's what you have to do.
00:42:44
That's the best way to build a contender in right now.
00:42:48
I e you.
00:42:50
Did you feel that Bobby Partners and Julius Randle and and Alfred Peyton or with the same kind of guys, you know that? We're just, you know No, I haven't, you know, building that can shoot.
00:43:01
I'm asking that question.
00:43:03
That's a rhetorical question.
00:43:06
What do you say is now? It's a rhetorical question.
00:43:10
Okay, Okay.
00:43:13
E Oscar, Oscar, how would you feel about going after Rondo and Jeremy Grant and not giving up assets and building with a combination of veterans and and our youth? Well, those guys air free agent, so I don't think you have to give up any assets.
00:43:38
Rondo did not have a regular season at all.
00:43:41
And you know, I understand.
00:43:43
Like no one here, including me, watches Lakers games every night.
00:43:48
But apartment playoff? He really was.
00:43:50
He was probably the worst player in the rotation.
00:43:52
So, um, maybe as a as a backup.
00:43:55
Um, but he's not.
00:43:56
He's not something that moves the needle for me.
00:43:57
I really like Jeremy Grant e feel like he fit.
00:44:01
He brings more value to a contender.
00:44:03
Um, sent to us so we probably couldn't give him a much money.
00:44:06
Easy one.
00:44:07
But yeah, like players like that, players like that are what you need.
00:44:11
Thio build like a good landing.
00:44:13
Thought for a for a stark reagent.
00:44:15
Need toe, bring in players.
00:44:16
You can shoot on defense and, um, yeah, that's like That's That's the model stuff he was.
00:44:23
He was Oscar Oscar at the reason why I asked you that question was because that this narrative of bringing them players like that to help get to build a team to build a foundation, that stuff that we've been trying to do for years and that's why I mentioned Julius Randle's and the Bobby Portis is in the market and the Marcus Morris is because We've been doing that for years, and we have not been good.
00:44:42
The Knicks have not won an All Star MVP caliber players that you hear Melo Anthony, and that was the last time I went in the playoffs.
00:44:48
Or Zynga's.
00:44:49
Sorry, Billy's friend is not a good role he doesn't fit with.
00:44:53
He's a ball handling power board who can't.
00:44:56
Who can you turn the ball over As much as he passes? He doesn't fit with the star.
00:45:01
That's not the kind of player I'm talking about.
00:45:03
I'm talking about players whose weaknesses creating their own shot, but they can.
00:45:06
They can do the little things and kind of make life easier for a star.
00:45:10
That's not Julius Randle.
00:45:11
That's not Bobby Portis.
00:45:12
E way traded Marcus Morris after 40 games after he was successful.
00:45:16
So I don't see your point.
00:45:19
Okay, hold on one second.
00:45:22
One second.
00:45:23
One second.
00:45:24
Was that Oscar? I appreciate it.
00:45:25
I appreciate hearing from you after a while, I understand your school and all that stuff, man.
00:45:30
We look forward to him. You again.
00:45:32
Uh, next time it comes on, his voice is gonna be his deepest mine.
00:45:36
E appreciate you, man.
00:45:41
Stay safe out there.
00:45:42
Alright.
00:45:43
Looking forward to hearing from you got a busy week.
00:45:45
So we're looking forward to hearing from you, man. Alright.
00:45:48
Appreciate you.
00:45:49
Appreciate you.
00:45:52
Narrative is the same.
00:45:54
The same narrative.
00:45:56
The narrative is the same every single year.
00:45:59
We do the same thing.
00:46:00
We go out and get these players for middle, you know, average kind of players and expect that we're going to do well, but we don't.
00:46:05
The Knicks have not had an M V P caliber player says Carmelo Anthony left.
00:46:09
And that was the last time when we were successful.
00:46:10
Okay, So so? So that Russell Westbrook.
00:46:13
If Russell Westbrook comes to the Knicks, if he comes to the Knicks, is he still gonna be a M V P caliber player? Yes, I think so.
00:46:22
Oh, e had some really good numbers.
00:46:28
E What was he? What was he? Seven rebounds, seven assists And what? 20? 26 7. 26.
00:46:35
27 points.
00:46:36
E.
00:46:37
I mean, you know, obviously you know, he's gonna He's putting up numbers.
00:46:40
Uh, What what? Mhm.
00:46:45
Who knows Who knows? E don't know, but But what? Chris Paul off the table, there's definitely gonna be a stronger pursuit.
00:46:52
I think of Westbrook.
00:46:54
That doesn't help the Knicks with Chris Paul being off the table.
00:46:57
It doesn't help the Knicks, because then Houston is going to say, Well, you know what what other choices do you have? What the Knicks have to say is, well, he here's the other choices that we have, and this is what we are willing to do.
00:47:10
You know, to put that pressure on Houston, If this trade goes down, it probably doesn't go down.
00:47:16
I would think it probably doesn't go down within the next day or two.
00:47:19
It's gonna be some time because of everything that's going on with James Harden, the draft, all of that.
00:47:25
It might take some time.
00:47:27
It will be before the season starts.
00:47:29
Can I ask your question, sir? Yeah, I would bring it out off it.
00:47:34
If I was to get Russell Westbrook to put him on the floor, I would bring him in because I wanna I wanna four man that can shoot, pass and dribble.
00:47:43
So when we get bogged down in half court sets, we can rely on a player like that, because where Russell Westbrook, he's more of, uh, down the hill type of a player.
00:47:54
His game is most downhill most of the time.
00:47:57
And then when things bob down, we could go toe.
00:48:00
We could go to a half court set that also teaches the players like knocks and R j the cut and, you know, and do other stuff like that.
00:48:09
That's why I would go.
00:48:10
If we get Russell Westbrook, I would go for your foot and those two first round picks actually looking to get rid of and they're not gonna have more.
00:48:16
I could have more pieces of a puzzle.
00:48:20
Well, you know, we're gonna have to see what happens.
00:48:22
According to Ian Begg Lee, there are certainly people in the organization who feel that Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could building a winning culture helping the young Knicks.
00:48:35
So we will see.
00:48:37
We will see in due time.
00:48:38
Let me get to another phone call here.
00:48:41
Call. The live was popping.
00:48:44
Yeah.
00:48:45
Good day.
00:48:46
What's going on with you, man? How you feeling? 100.
00:48:50
I'm good.
00:48:51
Uh, what you're thinking about what's going on with you? What's up? I know you're thinking about something.
00:48:58
Yemen.
00:49:00
I'm but I'm jumping a canoe to the country with a big one off the sport.
00:49:06
But what I wanted what I wanted to say, though I can't believe Knicks fans are climbing for somebody.
00:49:15
We cannot shoot because one of the biggest problems in Nick had last year with they're shooting was horrible.
00:49:23
Mhm e.
00:49:27
I mean, that's what black, what the last caller suggested was kind of more realistic or something that made more sense.
00:49:35
Westbrook for me? Yeah, they would win your few again.
00:49:39
But I can't imagine a backcourt in Westbrook along with here.
00:49:45
Your new developing, Jospin.
00:49:46
Now you got last year, Andi.
00:49:48
Then you're going tohave Robbins in the center where the shooting going to come from? Well, I mean, you know, you have to go out.
00:49:57
You have depending on what the trade would be if you did trade for Russell Westbrook, you know, And if you included Julius Randle in that trade, so I mean Julius Randle can't shoot right? Eso Listen, if you include Julius Randle in that trade you're replacing, one player that is going is already on your team.
00:50:18
You're replacing him with another player that can't shoot.
00:50:20
But you're replacing it with a better player.
00:50:22
And then you add shooting around it just like if Julius Randle were to stay, you're gonna have to add shooting anyway.
00:50:30
Right S.
00:50:31
So you're still gonna add shooting? Understood that.
00:50:34
But in the backwards, if you have a backward period, ideally, you need to have Ah, excellent shooters.
00:50:42
They're one of the two doesn't have to the boat.
00:50:46
So that's where that's where I'm kind of having an issue on.
00:50:49
I think a lot of better options because that salary is ridiculous.
00:50:53
Like you can get van bleed for half of that quiting.
00:50:59
For me, that's a way better option, something that can last for the next 56 years.
00:51:07
Sustainable, Landry said, is all about the money at the moment.
00:51:11
So if you offer him a 25 per year, it seems that you have.
00:51:17
Is he? Is he worth 25? Is he worked 25 per year? Well, the book is where qualifies if Westbrook is worth 45 definitely his worth.
00:51:28
25 Look at the past two seasons Compare both seasons.
00:51:33
The two seasons off Westbrook is Westbrook twice as good advantage.
00:51:37
I don't think so, it like it.
00:51:43
Is he twice a zoo good as Van bleep now? Well, let's put it, let's put it like this.
00:51:50
Let's put it like this, right? You know, a lot of people gonna talk about Russell Westbrook, and you know, O. K.
00:51:56
C. Is one of championship and this and that.
00:51:58
Okay, He was on, you know, he had Kevin Durant.
00:52:00
They lost to the Golden State Warriors.
00:52:02
And what was that? The Western Conference finals.
00:52:05
And then Kevin Durant decided to leave, all right? And then he went to the Golden State Warriors.
00:52:10
Uh, you know, in one multiple championships with the Golden State Warriors, before then, they had made it to the NBA Finals when they were very young.
00:52:18
When it was Russell Westbrook, James Harden and Kevin Durant.
00:52:21
Okay, and Russell Westbrook was clearly one of the leaders of that team.
00:52:25
I made a point or something.
00:52:28
I think they never one that said because he was a poor point guard.
00:52:33
That's my opinion. Personal.
00:52:35
I think if he was a point guard point garden they would have, they would have had a better shot, I think decision making.
00:52:42
It's way too poor for a point guys.
00:52:46
That's what I'm feeling, to be honest.
00:52:48
So, so e I appreciate your call.
00:52:53
I mean, you know, I understand.
00:52:55
You know where people, you know.
00:52:57
I understand this stuff about Russell Westbrook, because I'm I've been on the same boat, but, I mean, I also understand that Russell Westbrook will bring something to your team that you just do not have or have not had is going to be the perfect player.
00:53:12
No, but the Knicks in the position toe wait for the perfect player, you know? I mean, you know, ask yourself that.
00:53:20
Are they in position to wait for the perfect player? Especially if you could get them at a discount? I'm not saying you go out and you just give up the farm for Russell Westbrook.
00:53:29
But certainly I understand if you're trading Julius Randle and Dennis Smith Jr.
00:53:33
Two guys on your team right now that cannot shoot the basketball and you bring in a Russell Westbrook and then you can add more shooting.
00:53:41
It's gonna help your team.
00:53:43
And you are still gonna have Yeah.
00:53:46
Ah, full Slater assets, right? Everything.
00:53:51
I think everything.
00:53:52
Everything depends on the package.
00:53:55
Everything depends on the package now.
00:53:57
Does he have a hefty contract? Yes.
00:54:00
He has a very hefty contract.
00:54:02
It makes a lot of money and he makes a lot of money.
00:54:05
And there'll be a point where his contract is making up 30 to 35% of your salary.
00:54:11
Okay, 40%.
00:54:13
40% of your of your salary cat slot.
00:54:17
That's a lot.
00:54:19
He just brings another dimension for our team.
00:54:21
Man, you know, you you do it.
00:54:27
If it's for that For those players, I'm doing a somebody thinking thing.
00:54:34
But the only thing I ask you is going forward going forward.
00:54:38
You do it for those two players.
00:54:39
Julius Randle, Dennis Smith, Jr.
00:54:40
Whatever other.
00:54:42
You know, uh, assets have to go along with it.
00:54:46
You know, low assets like second round picks or future super future draft picks or something like that.
00:54:52
Um, but then do you have enough money? Maybe this year you have some money.
00:54:58
Do you have enough money in subsequent years to build a proper teen that's going to be competitive on? And then when he's ready to be gone, when he e mean when he slows down, I'm not ready to say he slowing down yet? And I will say this at the end of last season after the All Star break, he shot about 40% from three.
00:55:22
Something like that, he did.
00:55:24
It's in the books.
00:55:25
You could go check the stats.
00:55:27
I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not saying that he's going to continuously do that, but he did do that last year.
00:55:35
This thing I love about him, we're gonna run a fast break.
00:55:38
Do you realize that this haven't run? I haven't been a fastbreak team in the last few years.
00:55:41
We've been bottom pit.
00:55:43
We need to run.
00:55:44
We have young guys that want to run.
00:55:46
He does what we want him to do for 2 to 3 years.
00:55:50
He's still Ah, high impactful player as much as you don't agree with it, but he still is.
00:55:56
Get over it.
00:55:57
I'm giving up Julius Randle and Dennis Lillee jail for impactful player without giving up my young guns.
00:56:03
I'm doing it, Yeah, play defense.
00:56:05
Listen, play defense.
00:56:07
Listen, you don't you don't play defense. Stop.
00:56:10
But he's good.
00:56:11
Listen, e I mean, listen, I'm a full of greens there.
00:56:15
If I'm giving up Julius Randle Dennis Smith Jr.
00:56:18
I'm on that all day, every day, twice on Sunday.
00:56:21
You know what I mean? Four times on Monday, whatever you wanna call it, I'm doing it all day long and that's a double team.
00:56:29
Every trip again.
00:56:30
We need a guy that could that could serve a double team.
00:56:32
So guys like RJ could better their shot and get over shots.
00:56:35
What more do you want now? Want friends Vans with about $25 million for that person to city That this is what That's what I'm afraid of.
00:56:45
Signing fan being bullied, and then they add guys like Joe Harris to is like, Well, we have to expedite by this this process, man, get in.
00:56:52
Westbrook. Of course, we're gonna have to get shooting.
00:56:54
We're gonna have to get a whole bunch of different things.
00:56:55
It's not.
00:56:56
That's the thing.
00:56:57
Is not the end all with this one thing.
00:56:58
E wanted to comment on what that young kid was saying.
00:57:01
He was like, Yo, we need to set the table for somebody that we're gonna sign down the line.
00:57:05
Who are we signing? You got the same rhetoric.
00:57:07
Have a clean, uh, what the hell you want to do when you're talking about rustic.
00:57:12
But if you don't want Russell Westbrook, who do you want? Like the other caller? He's talking about Fred Van Fleet, and there's all these other guys. I'll be getting better.
00:57:19
This is a bunch of garbage, but we have to make a decision across the across the line in the sand.
00:57:23
If Westbrook is like you said, if if it's Julius Randle and Dennis Smith Jr.
00:57:28
Then we're gonna have to make that move.
00:57:30
This is not anymore.
00:57:32
You can't be playing this game year and year in and year out.
00:57:34
It's just a bunch of garden.
00:57:36
Thank you, Thank you way Get idea.
00:57:38
We bully Houston and took their lunch money we're talking about Yeah, man way.
00:57:49
Let me get you a call first.
00:57:52
Let me do a super chats.
00:57:53
Jovon Robinson. Thank you for the Super Chat, he said.
00:57:55
Think about it like this.
00:57:56
We spent 40% of the cap on Portis, Ellington, Peyton, Randall.
00:58:00
So what will be crying for? Get over it, calling you live.
00:58:05
What's popping? What's going on, brother? This Big Wayne from the Bronx, Man.
00:58:09
Not much, brother.
00:58:11
Enjoy the show man.
00:58:12
This is great, man.
00:58:13
Got me amped up with everything.
00:58:15
Love to see my Knick fans be out there like that.
00:58:19
Listen, man.
00:58:20
Westbrook, We need somebody with heart for New York.
00:58:24
He's built for New York.
00:58:25
Those young boys need to see that they have no o.
00:58:28
G s on that team.
00:58:29
And that's the problem.
00:58:31
Even Taj Gibson was a good yogi for them to learn from.
00:58:34
They have no O.
00:58:35
G s.
00:58:36
We need that for these young boys.
00:58:38
Just even if they win 30 games, they need that.
00:58:41
Just a little case, You know, I'm saying R J.
00:58:43
Barrett right now, R. J. Barrett.
00:58:45
He is not a first option like that.
00:58:49
You know what I mean? It takes time for him to work into that into that motion, you know, But for him to learn, he has to learn from somebody like Westbrook.
00:58:58
And I'm gonna say one more thing real quick.
00:59:00
And I know you might go crazy for this at the at the four.
00:59:03
I would resign Morris at the four.
00:59:06
Morris could shoot, and Morris is a dog.
00:59:09
You know how tough this team would be to bring back Morris.
00:59:12
You got Westbrook.
00:59:13
Then you have RJ and Mitch.
00:59:16
Come on, man.
00:59:17
And I would keep.
00:59:18
And I will keep Bullock.
00:59:19
I would keep Bullock is the two and have him shoot because we could keep him for cheating.
00:59:23
I would sign Morris, if if you get Russell Westbrook and then you can add Marcus Morris if he was willing to come back.
00:59:31
You know I love the ad, Marcus Morris, because you could probably get him.
00:59:35
You could probably get him for close to the same price that you got him last year, right? I do one better.
00:59:44
How about Carmelo Anthony E? I mean, listen, you could get mellow for even cheaper.
00:59:51
You could get mellow for probably $678 million a year.
00:59:57
Listen, if they if they do trade for Russell Westbrook.
01:00:01
Carmelo Anthony definitely is not off the table.
01:00:05
No, it's not right there is not off the table.
01:00:08
You could guarantee that the Knicks will be talking about Carmelo.
01:00:12
If that happens, you can almost guarantee that they need those O.
01:00:16
G s Don't remember that. They need the O.
01:00:18
G s to show him the way, man, that we don't have any right now, and that's a problem.
01:00:22
I feel you, bro.
01:00:23
E once that to e appreciate your car, brother.
01:00:29
Uh, and definitely tips tips.
01:00:32
Wants that, too.
01:00:33
That's what you know it.
01:00:35
Tibbs wants tohave a veteran squad.
01:00:39
He's not.
01:00:41
He wants a veteran team.
01:00:42
That's how that's how he's please.
01:00:43
Basketball joint, man.
01:00:45
We got a mix up the pot and because these guys are so the young guys are so limited, the older guys could be like, Yo, this, What is this all you gotta do on this play on that play on that? Play it.
01:00:55
Just teach some consistency, man.
01:00:57
His teammate's consistency Your tips is not 40.
01:01:00
He's like 60 something years old.
01:01:01
You've got time to be waiting five years, you know, stick crazy years.
01:01:07
Tens of the type of dude that's a mellow This is your role that's Almelo wanted was someone to say, Yo, listen, come in and do this And I saw Carmelo even talked about it.
01:01:17
When I went to Portland.
01:01:18
They told me what it waas, but when I went to use that, they just they just had me out there.
01:01:24
They just have me out there.
01:01:25
You gotta players like that you gotta come to them, make them understand that's what being a coach is about.
01:01:30
That's what being a leader of men is about.
01:01:32
So I think if Carmelo come, he's gonna play a role.
01:01:36
You know who he is setting himself, you know, he is pleased.
01:01:40
Touches.
01:01:41
Yeah, let's let's remember, last time Carmelo was here and we were in the playoffs.
01:01:46
What? It was the head coach.
01:01:47
Now he's an assistant, so he pretty much knows how to use them to be, you know, great player.
01:01:53
E forgot we got Woody.
01:01:55
But even better, man, even by this teenager, this this team in the system stuff is what we need.
01:02:02
And I'm I'm glad.
01:02:04
I'm just glad I'm not happy.
01:02:05
This can't go on the wall, Right? Even that guy Johnny Bryan, man, we got We have a whole training staff filled with great coaches and stuff like that.
01:02:11
So it's like it's not.
01:02:12
It's not time to be playing no games.
01:02:13
Number that Z.
01:02:14
That's my main thing right now with this.
01:02:16
Yeah, and let me tell you what The Knicks coaching staff, they had the ability with this staff to take chances because because you have some coaches with leadership experience, right? So I think they could take chances on players that they could take chances.
01:02:33
What's the dude down in Memphis? I mean, I don't know if he's up for, you know, try it or anything like that.
01:02:37
But I'm just giving an example.
01:02:39
Josh Jackson.
01:02:40
You could take chances on players like that.
01:02:43
And if you get someone, if you get someone who is an exceptional leader Ah, player who is in who is a leader that you know, the younger players they're gonna look up to.
01:02:55
You could take more chances on players that maybe had some issues in the past.
01:02:59
Things like that that you worry about, you know, disciplinary stuff.
01:03:05
Let me ask you this.
01:03:06
Let me ask you.
01:03:09
And then after we answer this question, yeah, we're gonna switch over the SportsCastr.
01:03:16
If the Knicks do trade for Russell Westbrook, do they look to the Marcus cousins as, ah player that could come in? He could shoot the three a little bit.
01:03:31
He could play the four slash five break, obviously is coming off of knee injuries.
01:03:38
It's talented, though, Did the Wizards have is up on too, so that was her tools.
01:03:48
Have eyes on their what? Yeah, I would take a chance on.
01:03:53
Can we play with house money? We're just playing with house money.
01:03:56
I told you this development is like a two year.
01:03:58
We have a two year window of getting being consistent and getting better coming into this year is about consistent about identity, about where we're gonna go and that shares about getting more better.
01:04:10
So we're playing with house money.
01:04:12
Did you try cases? They don't work out.
01:04:15
You get ready on, That's it.
01:04:17
It's not like me going anywhere.
01:04:18
Andy.
01:04:19
Andy, let me ask you.
01:04:21
You trade for Russell Westbrook.
01:04:24
Julius Randle goes in that trade.
01:04:27
Do you look to bring in the markets? Cousins.
01:04:31
Me personally? No, I think Cousins is too much of a head case.
01:04:37
Too many problems in the locker room with the young guys.
01:04:41
I don't think he's on that debt level toe.
01:04:45
Be helping us, even if he's injured or not on the court.
01:04:50
Not playing that many minutes as he wants.
01:04:53
I think he might cause more problems than more cons than pros with him, A t least.
01:05:01
From what I feel at this point s So you don't think that we have enough leadership with the coaching staff? If you have a Russell Westbrook and then you have the Mike Woodson and you have Tom Thibodeau and you have those guys, you don't think there's enough leadership around Uh, e think I think it's not gonna be only about the leadership.
01:05:25
I think he's gonna be no spending.
01:05:28
So it's called spending too much time with Onley, the players without the coaches, and they might get some bad habits.
01:05:35
And from what I know, I don't think the market's cousins is one of those you know, Angel guys in the league.
01:05:41
So, you know, it's I know it's a small price for a really talented guy and like a project that after redemption Project because he was injured, he didn't play like last two seasons and stuff like that.
01:05:53
So it's like a low risk, high reward thing, right? Still, you know that that thing in the locker room if you get west, you know what you get from him? You get the heart and the guys are gonna follow.
01:06:06
I don't know if you want that.
01:06:08
You know that that Rocky guy and in the locker room just toe.
01:06:11
Maybe maybe he's gonna pan out.
01:06:13
But maybe, you know, e Hold up, hold up, Marla.
01:06:19
And listen, people in the chat, You know, just because you bring up a question doesn't mean that we're saying you have to go do this.
01:06:28
It is a question.
01:06:29
It is a question for conversation.
01:06:33
And it might be a question that the Knicks management team brings up.
01:06:39
If you are running an organization, if you are running a basketball team, you look at all the players.
01:06:45
300.
01:06:46
Whatever players in the N b A and you say, What about this guy? What about this guy? What about this guy? So why do you bring up the Marcus cousins? Let me tell you why you bring up the Marcus Cousins and you have a discussion about the Marcus cousins, right? Because he is a guy who is an all star cast waas.
01:07:03
I mean, let me not say is who was an all Star caliber power forward, slash center In the NBA, he is a guy who is gonna be making.
01:07:14
Maybe he makes the veterans minimum.
01:07:17
Nothing he's not making because he's coming off a torn A c l.
01:07:22
So you need When you're a team like the Knicks, you've got to take chances on players like that sometimes because you have a lack of talent.
01:07:36
So sometimes you say, You know what, Let's take a chance on this guy.
01:07:41
If he doesn't work out, we've only paid him three million dollars.
01:07:44
We can waive him.
01:07:46
We could get him out of here.
01:07:48
Get out the locker room, go to wherever you're gonna go toe.
01:07:52
That's why you asked these questions.
01:07:54
It doesn't mean it's going to happen, folks.
01:07:58
It means you ask.
01:07:59
You ask the questions because the team, you know, if you if you Leon Rose, you got to try to find you gotta find a way to flip over rocks to bring in talent.
01:08:10
Yes, you go What you do? People talk about Joe Harrison.
01:08:14
He's got other option broke way.
01:08:18
Not in a position to be to be picking and choosing what, who we decided to call.
01:08:21
We decided we were like one of the worst teams in the NBA.
01:08:24
We don't have time for that, but with the markets colors thing.
01:08:27
People only.
01:08:28
Judging from Sacramento when he went to New Orleans and Golden State.
01:08:31
He was fine, and right now he's more of a broken player more than to be to be valuing himself as the high player before he likes Sacramento.
01:08:41
I don't think it's gonna be a locker room issue, especially if you bring.
01:08:44
You should have woody tents, guys that know what to do to put him in position, to be good players.
01:08:50
Respect that, and you bring in more or less for Westbrook.
01:08:53
That's what I want to say about about the markets to like he's gonna come in with Thibodeau and all these different guys.
01:08:57
They're gonna tell them this is what we need from you.
01:08:59
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:09:00
Can you deal with it? And and if they come to the to the agreement, they give him a contract and if that doesn't work out, then they get rid of him.
01:09:06
But I mean, it's it's on.
01:09:07
It's a win lose thing for us because I mean well, then look, we have we have a really good player to add to the mix, and that's what we need.
01:09:13
We're bottom team.
01:09:14
We have to get talent.
01:09:16
Teoh.
01:09:17
You know it doesn't matter how we get it.
01:09:18
You know what people think? That it's the entitlement of Knick fans.
01:09:22
You know, they just think that, like like things supposed to be handed to us.
01:09:25
Man, we have been the worst team in the NBA for the last 20 years.
01:09:28
We have no time.
01:09:29
I keep.
01:09:30
That's my That's my key words for this song.
01:09:31
Since I've been here, we don't have time for that anymore.
01:09:33
Man.
01:09:34
You know Thibodeau is 60 something years old, man.
01:09:36
Like, how long do you think this is gonna go on for? And not even that got hard.
01:09:39
Not even that.
01:09:40
It's when when? When What? He came here to coach Carmelo.
01:09:45
Carmelo even said himself.
01:09:46
He said, scratch all that.
01:09:48
If you do what I say, y'all gonna get paid.
01:09:50
Y'all gonna look better? Yeah, absolutely.
01:09:54
I think that's exactly what our coaches that is gonna do.
01:09:56
Listen, if you guys on the one, this is what we want you to do.
01:09:58
Can you do it? You can't do it next.
01:10:01
You know, we're just gonna keep this movement.
01:10:02
I think we have the right staff.
01:10:04
We got the leading man. We got the leader.
01:10:06
That's why I'm not when people are down.
01:10:07
Like the way people talk about Lamela's and stuff like that.
01:10:10
If I bring them all in under those two guys, he would nip all that stuff that he's bad at doing.
01:10:15
Nip it in the butt way.
01:10:17
Got got the nip it in the butt.
01:10:19
Go ahead, Andy. Go ahead, Andy.
01:10:21
Remember, one person at a time, one person at a way.
01:10:26
You could save that fault until they finish, and then you can let your thought out way.
01:10:34
Just add on that.
01:10:35
You know, if we had more vets, the kind of we had, like with Rashid, Kurt Thomas and those guys, I would take him in a heartbeat.
01:10:45
Now, when we're only gonna let's say we're gonna Onley stick with Taj Gibson from the vets.
01:10:50
Because I'm not considering that your bullet Corvette, You know, if I'm gonna have boogie cousins in the locker room and something is gonna happen, ready is not gonna be the guy.
01:10:59
Listen, the Marcus you got to stop this crap and stuff like that.
01:11:03
It's on Lee gonna be touched.
01:11:04
And sometimes one guy, verse one is not gonna be enough for they know the rest of the players to see the rift.
01:11:10
If that would be a guy like she'd or like e don't know Jason Kidd or Kurt Thomas.
01:11:18
Those guy would keep him in check like before he even thinks about it.
01:11:22
But it would be so.
01:11:26
Yeah, but yeah, but only I understand.
01:11:29
You know, when the coaches are gonna be around. I'm not afraid.
01:11:32
How afraid Just when you know the guys go out for dinner or whatever, right? Probably not.
01:11:38
Might not happen this season, right? But, you know, the coaches aren't always under the showers, you know, and and and stuff like some some things you know, my pan out that I'm actually afraid off.
01:11:50
That can happen with boogie.
01:11:51
Unless it's like Mark said that he's a, you know, a crush player or broken player.
01:11:56
And he's on that redemption road.
01:11:58
And he's like, you know, one of those ST no.
01:12:02
With no stupid ideas in his head.
01:12:05
So we see what's gonna happen, man.
01:12:08
Hey, ladies and gentlemen, E, I appreciate you guys time.
01:12:12
I wanna give a shout out to Joe Maddon.
01:12:14
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01:12:17
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01:12:21
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01:12:31
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01:12:35
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01:12:40
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01:12:51
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01:13:00
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01:13:13
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01:14:08
You look you look like you're losing it right now.
01:14:09
You're shaking back and forth.
01:14:11
You know, I don't know what's gonna happen, you know.
01:14:13
You know, I'm glad you're on screen with us so we can stop.
01:14:16
You don't know what you're getting ready to do.
01:14:18
Relax.
01:14:19
so good.
01:14:20
So you're stressing out, bro.
01:14:21
You stressing out you move your rocking back and forth.
01:14:24
When I see somebody rock back and forth like that, I get a little bit worried, man.
01:14:28
Stay easy, Bubba.
01:14:30
Stay easy, Stay easy.
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01:15:10
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01:15:12
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01:15:32
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01:15:34
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01:15:54
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01:16:02
All right, All right.
01:16:03
So let me try to get some of these guys in.
01:16:05
We're gonna continue this conversation.
01:16:07
I want to talk about the draft, right? And what we think we might You know what we might be looking at doing in the draft.
01:16:13
But let me try to get these guys in.
01:16:14
Well, I'm just a bit of a break.
01:16:17
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01:16:24
All right, All right.
01:16:26
Here we go.
01:16:27
Let me get you a phone call, because I do got somebody on the line, and then we could get going.
01:16:30
Call you live.
01:16:31
What's popping? It wasn't good.
01:16:33
Man is wrong from Jersey.
01:16:34
What's going on Wrong? How you feel it? Good man.
01:16:38
Appreciate your show, man.
01:16:40
We needed We needed this space.
01:16:41
And, you know, I mean, you made it happen.
01:16:44
Yeah, man.
01:16:45
Appreciate it, man.
01:16:46
Appreciate it.
01:16:47
I just want to give Knicks fans a chance.
01:16:49
Thio Let it out.
01:16:51
Yeah.
01:16:52
You know, we need that.
01:16:53
You know, we look, we look all over, you know, saying we look all over Twitter and ESPN in this.
01:16:59
Now, we've got these ****ysts that half of them don't know anything about the Knicks.
01:17:02
Don't really follow the team.
01:17:04
You know, I'm saying so this is This is this is the spot for us to just say what we need to say.
01:17:08
So what's going on with you, bro? Yeah, Um, Nick's eclipses were, but, um, since the topic is changing, I just wanna leave it.
01:17:17
So, like, um, we now we got a real coaching staff that, like like you spoke about Mike Woodson, and we know Tibbs is no joke.
01:17:29
We've had 19 year old guys playing on the worst roster with bad coaching, and we kind of I think we know what these guys can do.
01:17:39
But faxes if we in the draft, I'm not.
01:17:41
I'm not one to say this guy, this guy, I ain't putting those hours of scouring.
01:17:50
I think that if we just get the best player available, we're gonna end up being good man with good coaching.
01:17:57
And a good staff is gonna build to something I think a lot of Nick says are like, This is what I think should happen If it doesn't happen, it's all trash.
01:18:09
And ah, lot of this is a puzzle, man.
01:18:13
Guys gotta be in the right roster with the right love in the room.
01:18:18
Coaches with the right intention.
01:18:20
So I just think I'm not know since the topic change, I was going to speak on the free agency.
01:18:26
E o Free is quick.
01:18:31
I got Christian.
01:18:32
Would mhm uhm Mark, Keith, Marcus.
01:18:37
Whoever we had last year getting twins mixed up markets.
01:18:41
We have Marcus Marcus.
01:18:43
Yeah, and Jeremy Grant.
01:18:47
I don't really want the old wash players.
01:18:50
That Horford take was disgusting, bro, but word up, um, and after that, I'm kind of good off Russell Westbrook, but I know he's been wanting to be in the garden.
01:19:03
And if we could get off that Randall contract and just dfj that's the move to make.
01:19:09
Man, I really got faith and Frank and mentioned even knocks Thio get to a next level under Tibbs with about player development and getting these guys where they could, you know, do what they dio.
01:19:27
I think I'm gonna leave it at that man.
01:19:29
OK, OK, let me ask you, let me ask you this real quick Russell Westbrook and then and then you know, I'll let you answer quick.
01:19:36
I'll get to the guys in the check.
01:19:38
Do you think he wants to and is ready and has in his mind set that he's ready to embrace New York? Uh, iw has been that way, man.
01:19:47
A lot of these guys come through the garden and we know they feel the energy and we get we get the brunt of the energy for faxes.
01:19:56
Nowhere else you can get that in the league, especially if we're playing well and we have had a effort issue, we know tips not not dealing with that.
01:20:07
And Russell Westbrook ban on that type of Tom.
01:20:10
So I agree with like the Taj Gibson to come back.
01:20:15
We gotta have is really a full team sport, like some guys that don't play but could tell dot Keep shooting broke.
01:20:23
Because when you get in is your You know what I mean.
01:20:25
You could do it.
01:20:26
It's things outside of what we see.
01:20:29
Well, we could bring on a certain that it sounds like that, but as far as Russell Westberg, if it's just ran doing D S J.
01:20:37
We do that all day, every day, like you guys said, because he ain't no joke.
01:20:42
And I've seen him adapted game last year.
01:20:45
Take him way less threes, because one he can't shoot him.
01:20:49
But he realized his other guys that could take that shot, so I commend him for that.
01:20:56
Okay. All right.
01:20:58
Yeah.
01:20:59
I don't think we could really be turning down M V P.
01:21:02
Triple double.
01:21:03
Just pure ball is like for the garden for the city.
01:21:08
We kind of we can I don't think we could turn that down, man.
01:21:11
Okay.
01:21:12
I appreciate your call, brother.
01:21:14
Peace man. Peace.
01:21:18
Let's get to the draft, man.
01:21:20
Let's get to the draft.
01:21:22
First question I wanna ask Leon.
01:21:24
Rose seems to be enamored with Obi Topic.
01:21:28
That's what it sounds like.
01:21:33
Assuming that that eighth pick doesn't go anywhere.
01:21:38
Do you think the Knicks will try to move up to get Obie Topping? I don't get on. Move up soon.
01:21:45
I'm gonna gonna move up from.
01:21:46
And that will be talking with Leon Rosen.
01:21:49
Overtopping came on the interview.
01:21:51
He said I haven't spoke to him.
01:21:54
Result personal.
01:21:56
So, uh, right.
01:21:58
I'm not saying I mean, he doesn't had There's a Lemelle a ball.
01:22:04
Never spoke to me, e I mean that.
01:22:07
And I like him for the, You know, I like Lemelle a ball I wouldn't trade down.
01:22:13
You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
01:22:14
I wouldn't trade down for Children.
01:22:16
No, Vida.
01:22:18
Eight. That's something to think about here.
01:22:21
Uh huh.
01:22:22
E straight out that, um I mean, I mean, of course, um, you know, if he's at eight.
01:22:33
I mean, you take him all day long, I think if he's at eight.
01:22:36
Yeah, I mean, it's easy.
01:22:37
It's easy, you know? Especially especially if Julius Randle goes into trade e four e Gotta fall right there.
01:22:47
Uh, anybody up here think the knicks try to move up to get over the top.
01:22:53
Who has the fourth fit? Chicago.
01:23:02
And they interested in him as well? Right on.
01:23:08
I don't know.
01:23:09
I don't know.
01:23:10
I don't know. I don't know if they're interested in them.
01:23:12
I mean, they got Lloyd marketing.
01:23:15
Yeah.
01:23:16
I mean, honestly, honestly.
01:23:17
God, we don't know what teams what plays.
01:23:20
That's what we at.
01:23:22
That's what Ways team mostly.
01:23:25
You know, when teams want this player in that way, we don't know nothing.
01:23:29
We don't know.
01:23:30
Zero zilch, nothing.
01:23:32
Anybody could fall anywhere, bro.
01:23:37
This job is, like, dead dead flat right now.
01:23:41
That flat right now that's that's true. That's true.
01:23:44
That's true.
01:23:45
So so where we going in? I mean, you know, we we've talked about so many, so many players, nobody who still has a clue what the Knicks really wanna dio nobody.
01:23:57
Which is which is the reason why I ask, would they trade up? Because you hear about a couple of players that they really like and obey? Topping is one of them.
01:24:05
You hear about Carol Lewis? They could probably stay where they're at and get care of Louis if they want him mhm, right.
01:24:12
You hear a little bit about killing Hayes.
01:24:15
Maybe they could stay where they're at to get killing Hayes.
01:24:18
Yeah, so this is where I'm at with it.
01:24:22
Everything depends on where the first four drops, right? The first four clocks.
01:24:30
If Romelo drops in that four, let's stay right there because there's chances we can fall.
01:24:39
That person, he can fall.
01:24:42
So the first we have to see what Minnesota Are they really keeping it, or are they training it? Is Golden State keeping it? Are they training it now is because they said that horns are enamored with wise me.
01:24:55
So where they trade the number one pick with the Timberwolves to just go get a while before Golden State does? Does the Hawks trade a six pick with New Orleans or some other team like that? Or Boston? Boston could be a team.
01:25:10
It's a whole lot of things that want to get in.
01:25:12
There's all the and and the one that's in.
01:25:14
They want to get out.
01:25:15
So it dictates this whole draft like I've never seen before.
01:25:20
I've never seen anything like this.
01:25:23
Yeah, where teams are coming in, and these and teams a nearby, you want to come out.
01:25:31
This is unusual.
01:25:32
It is definitely unusual.
01:25:34
Definitely unusual.
01:25:36
I think.
01:25:38
I think what you could see happen and the Knicks will probably be part of it.
01:25:42
The mark, I think you kind of touched on it.
01:25:43
I know.
01:25:44
Tony and I touched on it.
01:25:45
We didn't get a chance to do our We're gonna do a little podcast on it.
01:25:49
We didn't get a chance to do it before, before the news broke out there.
01:25:53
Right? But Tony had brought up to me weeks before.
01:25:56
You guys heard it from anybody else.
01:25:58
Seriously.
01:25:59
At least a week before, you know, He said, What do you think about trading down with Boston, you know, to to try to ac***ulate some of their draft picks? This is before anybody.
01:26:10
It was ever in the news.
01:26:12
Uh, right.
01:26:14
And teams like the Celtics on and other teams who have championship aspirations, they may be looking for a piece that fits not talent, but a piece that fits.
01:26:29
Which they could say, You know what? This guy, Isaac a coral fits something that we want.
01:26:35
Tyree's Halliburton fits.
01:26:37
This vessel fits this.
01:26:39
Let's trade up so that we can get the guy that we think fits our system, not because they think the guy's uber talented.
01:26:47
They're gonna be an All Star, but because it fits their system.
01:26:50
There may be opportunities out there like that for the New York Knicks.
01:26:54
So, like like this, for example, same Detroit is they think Detroit is promising Patrick rooms.
01:27:00
They're gonna take him at seven.
01:27:02
You got things like that going down.
01:27:03
You got guys like Carol Lewis.
01:27:05
He might go to Phoenix because he got interview **** there three times.
01:27:09
So when you look at this drives right now, the next what they honestly, if the mellow was there and if the metal there was a chance to trade for Lemelle Oh, if Golden State take what the Knicks was getting, say it was Eighth and Mitch and Reggie Block or something like that, the Knicks will do it.
01:27:33
I think the Knicks will do it, But the fact that we don't know what the Knicks up to what they want, they show no wrinkle in stuff.
01:27:40
No type other plan other than Karen Lewis.
01:27:42
But I'm not taking them at eight.
01:27:44
You can't do that, cannot do that.
01:27:46
So I would trade down because campaign going on.
01:27:51
You have a lot of players that aren't **** near the same off.
01:27:55
I mean, ceiling level, Like you confined that up in this draft describing about role players players.
01:28:02
Well, that was locally.
01:28:04
Okay, Andy.
01:28:05
Then I'm gonna get to a phone call.
01:28:07
Yeah, well, as faras the, you know, the Boston Celtics go, Um, they won't be able even to sign all of the three first rounders they cut in this draft because their roster, you know, they got guaranteed contracts so they would have toe, like, wave someone just to sign a rookie.
01:28:27
Right? And you have to sign the rookies that you draft in the first round the second round.
01:28:32
There's You don't have to drop, you know, sign in the contract.
01:28:36
First rounders, you have to do it.
01:28:37
So you know, they they're gonna have to move at least one of those picks.
01:28:43
And, you know, they also ac***ulated those pics just for the certain reason just to move up.
01:28:50
That's the easiest way to dio just to move up or to trade for event, right? There's only two options with those picks, and I'm guessing that they're gonna have to make a move and like me and more discuss a couple of times, they're looking for us for a big for that center.
01:29:05
I don't know if they even got high.
01:29:08
Add Wiseman.
01:29:09
I think they might be fine with the Congo on.
01:29:12
I think that they're gonna be going after that guy now.
01:29:16
Now, now, teams are able to, um, sign their draft picks over the cat.
01:29:23
Yeah, Yeah, sure, But they don't have the roster spots.
01:29:26
You gotta have roster spots.
01:29:28
You gotta have roster spots.
01:29:31
Got 13 guarantee.
01:29:32
Right.
01:29:33
But so they have to get you Got to get rid of two of those.
01:29:35
What? Boston Boston want to swap with New Orleans for Kimba, Kimba And, uh, this Kimba and, uh, New Orleans, I think New Orleans pick out.
01:29:48
What are they picking his drops in New Orleans? New Orleans? Let me see.
01:29:52
Let me see what New Orleans picks in the draft.
01:29:53
Not exactly. ****.
01:29:55
Whatever they pick is there swapping Drew holiday with Kimba and Boston were given 14 26 and I think 30 for that.
01:30:03
Well, New Orleans is 13th in the draft draft 13th.
01:30:08
Yeah, So they would do a swap Because what looks like is that Kimball will be a problem in playoff contention because he's easily, easily target in pick and roll situations.
01:30:19
So they would rather get a bigger garden like Drew holiday that can give up the same production as Kimba.
01:30:24
I would do it.
01:30:25
Honestly, I would do it.
01:30:27
Okay, so let me get let me get to this phone call.
01:30:30
Quality live was Pop.
01:30:34
Hey, yo. Calling you there.
01:30:37
Hello? Hello? Hello? Hello? Yeah.
01:30:45
Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you.
01:30:48
How you doing? What's going on with How you feeling? I'm feeling great.
01:30:52
I just gotta 22 questions.
01:30:56
Really? The first one is, um if y'all get Westbrook, I don't think I heard you talk about it.
01:31:02
Um, but how How do you think that would affect a guy like R J? You know how he played last season as faras shoot go.
01:31:12
Do you think he would turn Argento a spot up shooter? That's a good question.
01:31:19
Great question.
01:31:20
And we could That's a great question.
01:31:22
I think that Russell Westbrook will have a ah, good impact on R.
01:31:28
J.
01:31:29
Barrett.
01:31:30
For the most part, the area that I'm concerned is if you want r.
01:31:33
J.
01:31:34
Barrett to learn to become, ah, primary primary guy primary score a guy that gets it done in, you know, down the stretch.
01:31:41
It might be hard with Russell Westbrook because, you know, he is just his nature to take over the game when you get down the stretch right last 34 minutes of the game is gonna be Russell Westbrook, so I get afraid that that might stunt RJ's development a little bit.
01:31:57
But I think these are two guys that have similar mindsets and their approach to the game, and so it's possible that they could work off of each other.
01:32:06
And maybe, just maybe, Russell Westbrook is noticing as he's getting older that, you know I can't do it all by myself.
01:32:13
I need to train somebody, bring somebody along with me, so hopefully that's what it would be.
01:32:18
I don't think he'll end up being just a spot up shooter, though.
01:32:21
E hope not either.
01:32:25
On then, the second question is like still having to do with Westbrook.
01:32:30
But my thing is, with you guys possibly having the ability to get him now.
01:32:37
If Houston decides to send um, Harden Thio the Nets.
01:32:42
What would be the benefit in them doing that? If, uh if they're not getting any draft picks for this year or like any other season, for that matter? Because I think they traded with away some of their draft picks.
01:32:56
Yes, right.
01:32:59
So I think they're If they're moving hard and they're moving Russell Westbrook, then that means that they're they're trying to rebuild, so they're definitely gonna be looking for draft picks.
01:33:08
The Knicks have some draft picks, I think, at least for Harden, I don't know what the Nets looked like.
01:33:15
And their salary? Yeah, you know, the way that salary looks, so they would probably have to give up, I think den Witty and, uh, the other.
01:33:26
But if I'm them, I wouldn't do that.
01:33:28
And I know they probably not interested in moving any future picks.
01:33:33
Even if they know they're gonna win.
01:33:35
I think they would still wanna hold on to it.
01:33:39
But see, I think I think maybe with Brooklyn you might see a third team get involved some way so that Houston could bring back some some pics and, you know, hard.
01:33:48
He's probably probably told Houston a few days ago, but it just came out toe the world today that he wants to be moved.
01:33:56
So I'm pretty sure they've been on the phone, and they're gonna be looking to bring in draft picks.
01:33:59
So I think a three team trade and there could be a three team trade with, you know, between Brooklyn, new York and Houston.
01:34:10
You know, um, so we'll see how that goes.
01:34:15
But I think that you know, Houston, and they're gonna find a way one to clean out some cap space and to to bring in draft picks.
01:34:24
I think that those are gonna be there to priorities, I believe, But very good questions.
01:34:30
Thank you for the call.
01:34:31
You're welcome.
01:34:32
Appreciate it.
01:34:34
I don't get it from Brooklyn form with Harden.
01:34:39
You say that again.
01:34:40
I've said they're going to get those three young players Castle, Verge, Allen and and then really and picks.
01:34:48
That's what I think they're gonna get for harder.
01:34:50
Because Harding came out today, said it's either Philly or Brooklyn, but I think it's gonna be more Brooklyn.
01:34:55
I think he's gonna fight his way to Brooklyn board and go to Philly.
01:34:59
Yeah, I think he probably how How crazy would it be? You had Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant and James Harden all start their careers in one city.
01:35:10
And then they go and they're all gonna be in New York.
01:35:12
Except, you know, to two of them are being Brooklyn and one of them be with the Knicks.
01:35:18
Still in the same city is crazy.
01:35:20
This is my great can.
01:35:21
We couldn't do that here.
01:35:23
Just look at the whole outcome of it, right? We could have broken him and Kyrie simultaneously, right? And then if we was willing to trade for James Harden, we would have had pits and the player's to send them to get James Harden to complete hell.
01:35:42
So, bro, they just don't want the extra stuff.
01:35:46
They're afraid of it.
01:35:47
They're afraid of blue and hard, and it's okay.
01:35:50
Stay over there.
01:35:51
That don't tell me that public Direct couldn't get what he wants.
01:35:54
When he's about to get here.
01:35:56
It's been perfect little bit.
01:35:58
Well, you know that that Z that's not happening.
01:36:02
They're gonna be in the same city.
01:36:04
But you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Let me get to this other phone call, man.
01:36:09
I want to get some more thoughts on the draft, though, but let me get to this phone call.
01:36:14
E caller you live was popping.
01:36:19
Hey, Sam loved the show.
01:36:21
This is Stephanie from Brooklyn.
01:36:22
Hey, how you doing? Appreciate the call and my echoing over there.
01:36:27
Thanks.
01:36:29
Okay, okay. Great.
01:36:31
This is the point.
01:36:32
I want to make way.
01:36:34
Can't make decisions about who to bring in.
01:36:36
Based on how they fit with players who haven't had success in this leave.
01:36:41
Like RJ or Mitch.
01:36:44
It is very hard to succeed in this league.
01:36:48
So we have an opportunity to get a player who has played at a very high level.
01:36:52
We have to look into it now.
01:36:54
I have other issues with bringing in Westbrook.
01:36:57
But the issue is not about how he fits with an R J or Mitch or about how he might block the development of R.
01:37:05
J.
01:37:07
And what has are they accomplished that we're gonna make franchise decisions based on whether or not to play a fish with him? Point taking, I get.
01:37:14
Understand? Yeah.
01:37:16
He's not ready, in my opinion, to be a match user usage.
01:37:19
God, he's a second year player.
01:37:21
He got away. This church.
01:37:23
Mitch can't stay on the floor.
01:37:26
We're looking at what he does in 56 minutes stretches, and we extrapolating that over 36 minutes and think he's gonna be a star now.
01:37:34
I hope he is.
01:37:36
But he's able to do the things he's doing because he's stretched.
01:37:39
He only playing five or six minutes at a time.
01:37:44
You know, so way we gotta go for players.
01:37:48
That's going to make the team better.
01:37:51
The coaches.
01:37:52
There's many ways to develop these guys.
01:37:54
They're gonna be on the floor, so they're going to get some playing time.
01:37:57
You develop in the off season.
01:37:59
There's many ways to develop.
01:38:01
Once the coaches see that, they ready, then they can trade other plays and create more room for them.
01:38:08
But we can't do that prematurely.
01:38:10
We can't just do that from from the from the beginning right now, or we can bring this player in right now.
01:38:16
We can't trade over.
01:38:18
We can't.
01:38:19
I'm sorry.
01:38:20
Draft over Mitch right now.
01:38:21
These guys are not ready.
01:38:23
We bring him along slowly, you know, and go from there.
01:38:29
I mean, that's the point.
01:38:30
I mean, I'm hearing that a lot in the shack.
01:38:32
And so that's that's the only issue I have.
01:38:35
But I love the show, man.
01:38:37
I've been looking for a Knicks show.
01:38:39
I finally found one.
01:38:40
You guys, this is my number one show.
01:38:42
I appreciate you.
01:38:43
I appreciate you.
01:38:44
Thank you very much.
01:38:45
Let me ask you one question, though.
01:38:46
If if if the Knicks do trade for Westbrook, who do you wanna bring with them? Who are you trying to put around them? If they bring in Westbrook is Westbrook's team at this point no longer RJ team and you, right? They're gonna have to bring in players that could fit around him, and they're gonna have to bring in yet to shoot.
01:39:05
I like I like Harris.
01:39:07
I think birth hands cost too much money for what he does, but they're gonna have to bring in and and shoot it on and guaranteed if they make that move.
01:39:21
If that happens between now and Thursday, there's gonna be a lot more moves coming down the pike this offseason on and stop worrying about R J R.
01:39:30
J is a dog.
01:39:31
He's gonna find out where he's gonna be able to fit.
01:39:34
No matter what team they put on the floor.
01:39:36
He is a good one.
01:39:39
Appreciate the call forward to hearing from you too.
01:39:43
Oh, no.
01:39:44
Now take care.
01:39:46
Okay, That's a good call.
01:39:47
So yeah, no doubt.
01:39:48
No doubt.
01:39:50
Well, you still have to worry about bringing such a player like Westbrook, because again, as fans and just as coach, you still have to think what that player can do for your younger even if they haven't proved himself.
01:40:06
He wanted to prove himself.
01:40:07
But you also want this skill set toe mash up with that next play on.
01:40:12
Look, I think ultimately Westbrook would have Ultimately, I think he would have a J getting Yeah, I think, Yeah, it's just it's intensity alone is what? It's enough for me to bring in here because again you want guys like I think O.
01:40:32
J.
01:40:33
And I think Frank is gonna **** when you have something set in place.
01:40:36
I think it's gonna be I don't have to worry about Mitch in Argentina because the motor tells me that they're gonna be all right.
01:40:42
It's just about putting the structure.
01:40:44
They're the only one we worry about.
01:40:46
Lovenox.
01:40:47
That's all That's all we really worry about.
01:40:48
Kevin Knox, Honestly.
01:40:49
So let's get back to the draft.
01:40:52
Uh, matter of fact, you could go check out that Kevin knocks the Kevin Knox show that coach's corner at me, and he didn't.
01:40:58
We're gonna follow it up with a show talking about his defense.
01:41:04
In my defense, his defensive development.
01:41:08
He's gonna be more in the paints.
01:41:10
And when it comes to defense, he's really good at in the paint when you watch our when you watch his games in the second half.
01:41:17
When they put him, called him, he's better. He's better.
01:41:20
He's a better defender. That but on the perimeter.
01:41:22
Jesus Christ.
01:41:23
But but let's get back to this trade to the draft, man.
01:41:25
Um, Anthony, I'm gonna get Thio Mr.
01:41:30
Jones here, since he's new to the chat, Mr Jones, what's popping with you, man? How you feeling? You gotta meet yourself, bro.
01:41:40
It's cracking cause uh huh.
01:41:43
There you go.
01:41:45
That's good.
01:41:46
Yeah, you're good, brother.
01:41:47
How you feeling? I'm feeling amazing.
01:41:49
Tell me why.
01:41:50
Right now, I'm more hype than I've been in so many years.
01:41:54
Like this week specifically.
01:41:56
Well, you know, e mean looking, everything that's happening this week you got, you know, are they Open it up to be able to make trades on and then you got the draft and then you're gonna have free agency.
01:42:09
It's gonna be crazy week, and this team could be totally reshaped by Friday.
01:42:16
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
01:42:17
Like for me.
01:42:19
Ah, lot of people I talked to are like there's no reason to be excited.
01:42:23
The Knicks have been bad for so long.
01:42:25
They're losing hope.
01:42:27
And now I'm saying to them that if you really think about it, this is the first time we've actually rebuild our team In a long time, we might have started before poor Zynga's.
01:42:36
But then Porzingis was traded, and I kind of felt like it was kind of a restart after that.
01:42:40
And this is really like our third official year of rebuilding.
01:42:45
And this is the first year where I feel like we're gonna take that huge chunk.
01:42:48
We have so many young players that have had several years under their belt.
01:42:53
Now, Knox Neil Akita, Uh, you got Mitchell Robinson, RJ.
01:42:59
All of them can take a huge jump.
01:43:02
And then, in addition to that, you have our draft pick this year and tons of cap space.
01:43:07
So it's hard not to be excited when there's so many possibilities of a huge jump for our team.
01:43:12
And I'm really interested to see where we go this year and all these other.
01:43:15
I have a lot of people who are Knicks fans as well, but they're they're starting to lose a little bit of faith because it's been so long since we've been good since.
01:43:22
You know, obviously, Melo, we made the second round, but it's like they don't see these huge changes that we actually haven't done before.
01:43:29
Before we were always win.
01:43:31
Now with with now with Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah, which turned out to be absolutely horrible, This is the first time that three true years went into rebuilding.
01:43:41
And now, with a new coach, new management, draft picks and full cap space, I'm so excited for this season, E.
01:43:54
I mean I mean the ability, the ability is there to actually reshape this team, and we'll see if we get, you know, we'll see what they could do if they could get it done.
01:44:02
Hey, look, I'm going to I'm gonna come right back to you.
01:44:05
I want to get to this phone call.
01:44:07
Uh, and I want to talk to you about what you think they might do in the draft.
01:44:11
Call you live was Pop.
01:44:13
Hey, what's up, JP? What's called P? What's going on? How you feeling? I'm good.
01:44:20
I'm good.
01:44:21
I'm good.
01:44:22
How you feeling About everything that could go down? I know I haven't spoken to in a while.
01:44:27
I have to kind of step away from it because it was too far away and e couldn't talk about it every day.
01:44:32
Um, how do I feel? I'm nervous. I'm anxious.
01:44:37
I'm excited, you know? And you don't know what to believe.
01:44:41
Because, you know, the, uh, front office hasn't said a word, so that's a good thing.
01:44:47
So you kind of just hope that you kind of hope that, you know, they learn from the mistakes.
01:44:55
Uh, you know, i e you know, I can't talk about the draft who I want because I haven't really been paying attention and then with no, um, there's no tournament this year.
01:45:07
I don't know.
01:45:08
You know, this draft is I mean, the draft on a regular basis is a crap shoot.
01:45:12
And this year is like, 10 times worst.
01:45:15
But I know you wanna talk about the draft.
01:45:18
I just want to talk about Westbrook for a bit.
01:45:20
Um, part of everyone's talking about.
01:45:25
Well, first off, I don't know how toe about it.
01:45:27
Personally, I'm kinda in the middle.
01:45:29
I I understand the pros and the cons, Um, as far as what he you know, um, should come here.
01:45:36
But one of the reasons that people are touting that we should get him is, you know, will change the view of the next right, and they will put respectability back to the name.
01:45:49
And you know, you'll have a dog on the court.
01:45:51
So, you know, um you know, and that's something that we need.
01:45:56
But once if they do make this trade on the MBA landscape, is it gonna be seen as a L O L Next move, Or is it gonna be like, Okay, there's a new sheriff in town, and, you know, we have to kind of look at the next differently, because the way I look at it is, um e guess that third year of the contract makes it kind of worse.
01:46:22
and, um e just, you know, it's it's like taking medicine.
01:46:27
You don't want to do it, But, you know, I guess you do it because you kind of have thio.
01:46:32
Um, you know, that's just how I feel about this whole situation.
01:46:36
So But we were gonna be doing it for, you know, to make the team look good and put a face of everyone all the next on the look better or whatever, but is it Is it worth? Is that contract on what he brings his table worth? Um, you know, the positive that he brings before.
01:47:00
And of course, that's the hard thing, because he makes, ah, $130 million over the next.
01:47:06
What is it three years or something like that? It's a huge is a super huge contract on.
01:47:14
And you know he's going to take up 30 to 40% of your cap, okay? Yeah.
01:47:20
And you know, I mean, if we were under better cir***stances, um, economically, I would say Okay, but considering that we're in the middle of a pandemic and it's gonna trickle down for the next couple of years, I don't know about that.
01:47:34
And, you know, we essentially paying for his name and his pack success from other teams.
01:47:42
You know, once you put that Knicks jersey on, he's going to get injured right away because that zine start a Maya like I have a you want.
01:47:55
You want the list e you want out of my you got Listen, have we even seen McKnight's like E O? You already know what it is.
01:48:13
So when that happened and and then on top of that, it's like, Okay, so and we actually get this player and at the same time is able to continue to rebuild somehow because, you know, once he comes here, we may be able thio us being a player as faras the free agency next year may be done, and then, as far as being a player breath next year and the year after that, we may be done to, and then it makes it makes it kind of makes me shake my head because it's like Way hired so many people in a fun office that, you know, one of the main goals is toe, you know, scout and draft like, how does that work? Eso If if we could actually get this third, but at the same time rebuild at the same time.
01:49:08
I don't know how you do that.
01:49:09
It's just like one of the other.
01:49:11
Once you get here, I agree with people that before me, like it's 15 and you essentially have to do what he wants.
01:49:22
Yeah, I mean, e I mean that that's That's the thing.
01:49:25
If you get him, essentially, you are in a you know Now you're in a full court press to try to make the team relevant.
01:49:34
What's important is what's important.
01:49:37
Is it the fact that we're gonna be relevant, or are we going to be good? Well, I mean two years or the next 5, 10 years, Like, What are we trying to get here? Well, that's what I'm saying, You know, you bring in Westbrook.
01:49:50
You know, now you know you've got your urine, a full court press to try toe, make yourself better.
01:49:57
You know what I'm saying? You know, because you don't wanna waste.
01:49:59
I mean, you don't wanna waste that $40,000,045 million a year.
01:50:03
Uh, there are some things, though, that I think Westbrook brings his his his Obviously the intensity.
01:50:13
Um you know what kind of around the dudes dudes? A dog.
01:50:17
I mean, there's only a handful of people like him.
01:50:19
He's You wanna say whatever you want to say about him? He brings it every night, and I'm not.
01:50:25
I'm not.
01:50:26
Ah, big sign of him.
01:50:28
But I will tell you he will.
01:50:30
He works.
01:50:31
Yeah, that, you know, having that because now you you know, you have a your lead guy.
01:50:38
He's gonna be the lead guy, no doubt.
01:50:40
Right? So, you know, having the lead guy that is a dog rubs off on everybody.
01:50:45
So you know that.
01:50:46
Anyway, in the and the standard that he's going the expectations that he's going to bring of the team, I think it's gonna rub off on everyone because I feel like Frank Kevin Knox.
01:50:57
Not as much R J Well, even RJ to, you know, we're caught in this area where the expectations were.
01:51:06
We'll see what happens, right? E And I think you have If you get Westbrook, you have Tom Thibodeau and whoever else they bring in because if they trade Julius ran doing Dennis Smith Jr.
01:51:21
You're gonna have mawr.
01:51:22
You're gonna have cap space to bring in some other guys.
01:51:24
The expectations rise.
01:51:27
And I think that forces your other players that have to rise to the occasion because if they don't, they're gone and they know it.
01:51:35
Okay, So Mark made a comment earlier about his bad decision making due to the fact that you have a coach like Thibodeau.
01:51:43
Do you think that bolo bhi will get to him and kind of like, you know, not prevented from happening? But at least when he's doing nonsense, tell him, like, knock it off.
01:51:54
Do you think he do You think that he is at this point in his career where he could say, I gotta change a little bit and they want to do things differently because I'm quite sure he's hearing every single thing that people are saying about him.
01:52:09
And maybe he's saying, Okay, well, I'll show each and every single Yeah, I know what you mean.
01:52:15
And listen, I hope that he's the one thing that strikes me about Westbrook is that I feel like he is a realist, you know.
01:52:26
Now is he really about himself and where he is athletically and stuff like that? We don't know.
01:52:33
So you know, I think the question is, would you would you make this trade with everything that you know? And what do you know? If if if the trait for me if I'm giving up Julius Randle, Dennis Smith Jr maybe like the 38th pick or something like that, Yes, I'll make the trade because then I still got I still got $30 million about $30 million in cap space, 2025 to $30 million in cap space. Thio.
01:53:07
Add more players.
01:53:08
But I still got RJ.
01:53:09
I still got Mitch.
01:53:10
I still got Frank.
01:53:11
I still got knocks and I still got my eighth pick on.
01:53:15
Does that take us out of free agency for next year? And the draft for next year is, well, Laura's we You know there's a chance for that.
01:53:24
E don't know.
01:53:26
That draft is very intriguing to me, and I want to be a player in that Yeah way.
01:53:31
If we trade, if the trade gets down to just Julius Randle D.
01:53:36
S.
01:53:37
J and a draft pick, we would still have our own draft pick for next year.
01:53:40
We would still have Dallas draft pick as long as we didn't move it.
01:53:44
And depending on what else they did in free agency, we could still have $30 million in free agency.
01:53:49
Right? Like, say, for example, this year they did like short contracts.
01:53:53
You could still have money in free agency.
01:53:55
But as far as our first our own drafted, I mean, obviously how Maney wins.
01:54:01
Do you think that Westbrook is work? It's hard to say because it all depends on what they put around them.
01:54:08
Okay, And last question, What is? Who's your pick for one Does a Who is the ideal draft pick that you want? I mean, for me.
01:54:19
So what I'm thinking for Wednesday, right? I'm probably not moving up.
01:54:26
I would possibly move down into if the situation presented itself.
01:54:30
I'd be happy with Kiara Lewis and Sadiq Bay.
01:54:33
I'm kinda, you know, I'm kind of leaning in the Lewis camp, you know, And that's been recent, but I kind of just like the speed and I know that we've been slow footed, and it would be kind of nice to have some speed on the team because you don't want on the team of stuff, right? I'd be happy with those two guys.
01:54:51
I live out in the draft. Cool.
01:54:53
I think.
01:54:54
I think Tony has a question for you. Got Tony.
01:54:56
What's up, Tony? How you been? What's going on? Um, one thing I wanted to say about, I don't think we should really worry about next year's free agency class or any free agency class in general, I think we kind of went that route.
01:55:16
I think we were all kind of hurt, you know, thinking we would get in certain players and I'm not coming.
01:55:22
I think the best forest would be the move.
01:55:27
Like a small market team.
01:55:29
Um, you know, we really haven't been able to bring any free agents here or any top tier free agents here ever.
01:55:37
You know what? It means that, um I mean, so if we move like a small market team and we use the assets to acquire the talent we want, I think that's the best.
01:55:51
The best route.
01:55:52
Oh, yeah. 100%.
01:55:54
I mean, when I What I mean to stay as faras free agency is as a team, I would always like to make sure that I am.
01:56:02
I have the flexibility and what I mean is that, um they should have some cash.
01:56:08
They should always have cap space available and should always have draft pick.
01:56:11
Because as you can see, you never know when something is going toe just become available.
01:56:18
But I don't want them to utilize all the cap space.
01:56:21
And I don't want them thio utilize to trade all the pics.
01:56:24
So I think more than anything, I'm just worried about the flexibility after this mood is probably made e mean, regardless, at some point, with flexible flexibility, you gotta use it or else you're just sitting on flexible.
01:56:40
You can.
01:56:41
But you got the key thing is, you have to use it very smart, so you can't use it.
01:56:45
Stupid.
01:56:46
We have way could write a whole book as far as what not to do way have to kind of do things the opposite of what we've been doing.
01:56:55
And also, I think the six have always had that predictable kind of decision making.
01:57:03
I would like to see them do things outside the box.
01:57:06
I would always like them.
01:57:07
I would also like to see them, you know, not put all their eggs in one basket.
01:57:13
I kind of, like, the fact that they're in talks for everything, whether it's trade, free agency, whatever.
01:57:19
I kind of like that.
01:57:20
I like the fact that in everything and we don't know nothing I like because I feel like Oh, jeez, moving silence.
01:57:30
So I kind of like how they're going about their business.
01:57:33
And I kind of just hope that we have a couple free agency and test your draft.
01:57:40
And, you know, we get to see a better product on the court because I think as fans, that's what we would want.
01:57:47
Right? JP, I appreciate it.
01:57:50
Appreciate your time and talk to you soon.
01:57:54
All right, All right.
01:57:56
You know, Sinden, that's free agent we get is gonna be via trade, bro.
01:58:01
That zaid through trade, you said the next Oh, the next big player we get is gonna be through a trade.
01:58:10
I mean, probably.
01:58:11
Yeah, but anyway, ladies and gentlemen, listen, tomorrow night or tomorrow, probably during the day, not tomorrow night, you'll get the notification.
01:58:22
I'll be doing another mock big board.
01:58:26
Right? This will be the third installment, The final mark, Big boy, before we get to the draft and then our draft night.
01:58:31
Wednesday night.
01:58:32
I'll be on Wednesday night.
01:58:35
Uh, die hard.
01:58:37
Knicks.
01:58:38
I think it's gonna be on there.
01:58:39
We'll have Nick ish.
01:58:41
Andy should be there.
01:58:42
Tony? Mark, I'm pretty short.
01:58:44
Mark is gonna be there stressing out okay, Mark is gonna be stressing out.
01:58:49
So listen, you might wanna log in just for that, because you might see a meltdown on live YouTube in SportsCastr, You're saying you might see a live meltdown on SportsCastr on Wednesday? Everything right on Thursday, Borough? Everything I'm saying.
01:59:06
So you know, you're gonna want you don't want to join in because, you know Mark, Mark is gonna be Mark is gonna be It's gonna be fun.
01:59:14
Let's put it like that is gonna be fun, man.
01:59:16
Be honest.
01:59:17
I just like it to be honest with people, man and trusting.
01:59:21
Yeah, we have to.
01:59:23
We just have to do something decent.
01:59:25
Just something decent.
01:59:26
If it's to take bad contract to get pics, just do something smart.
01:59:32
Nothing dumb.
01:59:33
Please.
01:59:34
Please.
01:59:35
Hey, Divine.
01:59:36
What's going on with you, man? Can you hear? Yeah.
01:59:43
There you go, my brother.
01:59:44
How you feeling? Way.
01:59:49
Just You know, we're just going over these scenarios We bought the log off in a minute here, but because I got something going on with die hard Knicks podcast shortly.
02:00:01
But, um, I don't know.
02:00:04
What do you take on things, man? E mean for the Westbrook thing? I'm all in.
02:00:08
I think if you could get him, pick up a Christian Woods and throw a couple of pieces around him, Christian would maybe like two years.
02:00:16
And the teen Austin time Westbrook contractors up time was contractors up.
02:00:20
Then you could get RJ is money, so I think it could work.
02:00:23
Man, I think it be excited to get him there, you know, because that brought the cat wise.
02:00:27
He got three years left, get Christian was a couple of years to team up.
02:00:31
So and then when that expires, or get his money, whoever you want to go.
02:00:34
So I'm willing to take that gamble.
02:00:35
We need it.
02:00:36
I'm gonna say this, though.
02:00:37
I'm gonna say this though, divine.
02:00:38
We have to still look at Detroit because they got nothing.
02:00:41
I think he's gonna e he's gonna resign with them because they got throw him a significant amount of money if he if he was to go to free agency.
02:00:47
He's not gonna get that money that the troika look for him.
02:00:50
So e don't think he option for us.
02:00:52
I mean, we could look at him, but we have to be realistic.
02:00:55
Detroit looks at bad even worse than us, bro.
02:00:57
You're right. You're right.
02:00:59
I would love to get him, though.
02:01:00
He had that hanging up.
02:01:01
Durant them on the on the on the baseline.
02:01:03
We need some tall wings like that.
02:01:05
Who can play them? Durant and those guys, man.
02:01:07
So I would like to do it if we could get him.
02:01:10
He's still he's still questionable because he only had a 12 game like surge when he was doing all that stuff.
02:01:15
So we gotta be careful players like that.
02:01:17
So you gotta be careful, but I think the truth is gonna resign them because they got no, They got no assets either.
02:01:25
They got to do what they gotta do.
02:01:26
Keogh, French ops, video of Frank.
02:01:31
It's called French ops.
02:01:33
I mean, I think it's a problem workout video with him and some cats and, um, oversee them.
02:01:38
And that cat is putting in some work.
02:01:40
I didn't see.
02:01:41
I didn't see it.
02:01:42
I didn't see it, but I definitely go check it out.
02:01:44
And I see YouTube is called French Option.
02:01:47
It's like a two minute video.
02:01:49
I mean, it's amazing how Frank looking at video what we've been seeing lately.
02:01:53
Think this contract you're gonna do something for? I'm definitely going to check that out.
02:01:57
And I think I think Kevin Knox's agent was talking with Iain Begg Leah's.
02:02:02
Well, I'm gonna check that out, see what he's talking about.
02:02:05
Uh, you know, uh, you know, with Kevin Knox.
02:02:08
He was talking about his work with Tom Thibodeau and Kenny Pain over the summer.
02:02:13
Uh, a little message out with how the Knicks feel about Latina looking at a za long time a long time project brought I've been telling people that I don't think he's going nowhere, you know.
02:02:30
E think Jason J.
02:02:31
Jason, just put that video in the SportsCastr.
02:02:34
Check the one that you're talking about.
02:02:36
The viral Frank Miller.
02:02:37
Hey, just put the video on the jack.
02:02:38
I'm just saying that man, I was proud.
02:02:41
I'm like, Oh, my goodness, He looks unbelievable.
02:02:43
There's not even that he's gonna be cost effective.
02:02:46
And the dude wants to be in New York like you're being people when it comes from overseas.
02:02:50
New York is the place they wanna be, bro.
02:02:52
And they will be hard for a young guy like him to just e eight year or 8.
02:02:59
32 million for four years.
02:03:01
E give itto.
02:03:03
No, he's gonna get something like that.
02:03:05
I don't think you get over 10, but he's gonna He's gonna get more years.
02:03:07
E more likely what? We'll see what We'll see what he brings.
02:03:12
You know what I'm saying? This is gonna be for him.
02:03:15
You know, Dennis Smith Jr may not be here, but for But for Frank, this is gonna be a key year.
02:03:20
Uh, he's gonna be in the MBA because he can play defense.
02:03:25
It's gonna be in the NBA, right? I think it's gonna be a key year for him.
02:03:29
He's got he's got a he's got, you know, he's got to get up average that 10 points, 45 assists and play defense.
02:03:36
Knocked down 23 him.
02:03:39
He's gonna have the average 10 points.
02:03:40
He could averaged eight points.
02:03:42
Give me 23 threes Again.
02:03:44
E.
02:03:45
When I seen himself, I'm telling you when I seen that.
02:03:47
Do the person in the high level game where it matter.
02:03:50
It's just a different player broke.
02:03:53
So we got we got our cultures to put him in position when the games with steaks, and it matters his his level of game just rises broke.
02:04:02
And that's why given that last game of the season with Washington 2010 Yeah.
02:04:08
Finally.
02:04:09
Eclipse of 20 to 20.
02:04:10
Mark man.
02:04:11
First time.
02:04:12
First time in his career.
02:04:15
But, hey, I'm gonna head up out of here.
02:04:17
I got to prepare for another show.
02:04:19
E just want to get you guys 30 seconds, man.
02:04:22
Last words from you guys.
02:04:23
And next week on next week, we we got some stuff.
02:04:26
We got some.
02:04:27
We got some games lined up that we're gonna, you know, play.
02:04:29
We got some stuff lined up.
02:04:31
And if you're and became a member, remember, Be on the lookout for for for ah, notification about a game night.
02:04:40
Virtual game night is gonna be pretty dope.
02:04:43
So if you remember, just look out for that notification.
02:04:46
Um, yeah, What's the schedule for this week again? Tomorrow I'll be doing a a mock big board And then Wednesday, of course, we're covering the draft, you know? So you know, just be there and be ready to go, man, be ready to flow.
02:05:04
Alright? And on Friday, whoever we draft will be doing a coach's corner on that play.
02:05:10
Oh, any other players that we have, So you know, but yeah, let's get some last words in here, man.
02:05:19
Before we had about here Divine since I was talking to you, we might as well start with you.
02:05:23
Get some last words before we rock up out of here.
02:05:25
But hopefully Wednesday, man, we have a good draft where we take, you know, I hope the next pick right, But what we take, I know we're gonna make it work for us and we can't get Lemelle a with trades.
02:05:35
I'm that will OBE or vessel? I'm with them three.
02:05:39
I take vessel O b.
02:05:42
And then we could get the mellow I'm good.
02:05:44
Okay. All right, Anthony.
02:05:48
Got yourself, brother, You gotta amuse yourself.
02:05:52
Cool.
02:05:54
Good.
02:05:55
So I'm gonna say is get ready because something that is gonna happen.
02:06:00
I don't know what it is, but something big from the happen and I'm so ready Let's make it happen.
02:06:06
I'm telling you, I agree.
02:06:08
I agree.
02:06:09
I think you know there's gonna be some moves.
02:06:11
I don't think the nexus sitting still at all it is gonna be moved.
02:06:15
E don't know if even if we draft our eighth pick, we're either gonna make another trade on the side to get rid of one of our guys.
02:06:23
Or we're gonna trade up or we're going to get Westbrook.
02:06:26
But I just have that feeling that something big is gonna happen.
02:06:29
Because, like you said before, Tibbs wants to win now.
02:06:31
So something has to happen.
02:06:33
If that's gonna be the case.
02:06:34
Yeah, exactly.
02:06:35
Exactly.
02:06:36
Tony.
02:06:38
Uh, no way.
02:06:39
Shout out to the shot.
02:06:41
Got this time saying, Keep doing your thing.
02:06:44
Um I like to I really do Say that again.
02:06:52
Oh, boy.
02:06:54
You know my bad. My bad.
02:06:59
Shout out to the chat, Your black It's time.
02:07:02
Some keep doing your thing.
02:07:04
I really like Naysmith.
02:07:05
We need to talk about him a little bit more as well.
02:07:08
We need that shooting and yeah, how about you let it All right, I'm heart.
02:07:17
Listen, man, you already know what it iss man Divine.
02:07:20
Don't be late Next time, man.
02:07:22
Don't listen.
02:07:25
Don't disrespect the war room, man.
02:07:27
It's the War Room.
02:07:28
Glad you're here.
02:07:29
I'm glad for any newcomers.
02:07:31
God, Sam, appreciate the love.
02:07:35
Anybody that want to join the colt Look, singles stars like a gamble way.
02:07:44
That's what I'm saying.
02:07:45
Way to below.
02:07:47
Well below his level. I gotta go there.
02:07:49
His chat.
02:07:50
You got freeze.
02:07:51
You got freezing on the late night on this little freak night.
02:07:54
Goddammit! Late You got Andy, Andy, Andy, that European ****ysts.
02:07:59
You know, I'm saying you got me one day I'll break out like a startled But you're saying love is love, man.
02:08:04
Love is love you, by the way.
02:08:06
Big freeze.
02:08:07
He had Harry Carson, legendary New York giant Harry Carson on the show today.
02:08:11
Feminist, That was good.
02:08:13
I'm like your house.
02:08:15
He's doing getting these.
02:08:16
Do they paying them for their time, Eddie? Yeah.
02:08:22
It is always, like a pleasure brought to be with you on online and for all the new guys that don't follow us on sports caps, the whole envy.
02:08:31
A network calling the bac a family and stuff.
02:08:34
Just go there.
02:08:35
Follow us. Watch.
02:08:37
You can have like 20 hours a day off material toe.
02:08:40
Just listen to us and watch and join in joining video chance.
02:08:45
You know, hop on with us, and then let's, you know, make the community stronger and better.
02:08:50
Right? So that's it.
02:08:51
Because we got all kinds of people with NBK, matter of fact, die hard Knicks.
02:08:55
He's on right now.
02:08:56
Live doing the podcast right now.
02:08:58
Before we got on this show, Andy.
02:09:01
And who was it was You and Mark.
02:09:04
Mark? Yeah, we're doing the show.
02:09:08
So you know, you are a Knicks fan and you love the knicks, man, You could go check these shows out, but we're heading out of here.
02:09:16
Ladies and gentlemen, I appreciate you guys time.
02:09:19
And, uh, yeah, Like I said, just be on the lookout for notification me that hard about to do something about an hour or so.
02:09:27
So before you go, one more shameless sparkplug I'm gonna do the Isaiah.
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It's at your own risk.
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Remember that you will get way.
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Ladies and gentlemen.
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