But, you know, the question is, if you're looking for the money, e about $20 million over 23 million years ago, and I'm just gonna look once every four years, right? The point it find a I don't think it's gonna be looking for a one.
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How you how you been? Haven't Haven't seen you in a while.
Yeah, I'm good, man.
How you doing, bro? I'm good, you know, Working hard. As always.
But I got to disagree with you on Fred Vanvleet, bro.
You're not. You said biggest. Can't be choosers.
But you gotta pick the guy that's gonna fit your system. Right? Right.
So now I will say Tony Crow has made good calls in the past cp three and whatnot.
So I'm a definitely amiss credit.
But with the federal fleet, I mean, paying 80 million to a guard.
Who I don't think is that we need guard. Right.
If we had another aggressive guard, like a calorie, Um, well, you can see like a tree, young What I'm saying a guy that reverend, because everybody plays off of Carla.
Carla was always driving to the basket.
Sometimes we're back into your supposed toe.
I don't know if he does much, but relatively is more of a sharpshooter guard who plays off from now.
If you remember the playoff game where Carl I was out, like a game or so favorably struggled because you know when you he's not the quickest of foot.
His dribbles not like trade Young, where even though he's smaller.
That he could split defense is and he has a little twitch.
Has he? He's a very straightforward kind of guard, for the most part, so that he can shoot the ball right.
He's great at shooting boys shoes like 40% every year.
He's a guy that I think that he would struggle, especially on the team.
And we don't have another guard like that, right? We're struggling toe for R.
Obviously, we trap somebody else.
I think, you know, we dropped another wing player for R J, the three.
But even then, we don't have another guard who has that dribble and has that aggression.
You mean to get to the basket effectively, right? You say D J D J.
Is way lower than calorie entree, young, right? So to me forever and wouldn't now, reverently, if you weren't paying 80 million, then we could talk.
But, you know, he even came out today, obviously got to talking about.
He came out to talk about he wants big money, he's in it to cash out.
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You said finish up on Fred Vanvleet.
And then all right, so that's that's not taking.
I'd rather you know, I was going to the draft, uh, and pick up a point guard.
I mean, obviously, people tell Carol Lewis, you know, I don't know if he's gonna be available.
27. You might have to trade up for him.
Uh, if killing Hayes falls, Melo ball falls and pushes killing.
He hated the Knicks.
You pick a guy like that and he's, I think, uh, but, yeah, I'm just to give him that money.
Now again, No one's really be coming to the Knicks.
The only thing is that do you want to put your money into that point guard and then next year, you know, possibly convince yourself that you don't need a a point guard next year? Like if a kid kind of him who I know, people say could be a point guard shooting guard.
He's kind of in that mix.
But a guy who is, I think way more talented than overall, then favorably, yeah.
I mean, I think when you take negatively, that is your point guard project for the next few years.
Versus If You go into next year and you trade for CP three.
Who only be it for two years, right? That money is sunk, but you're talking about a point guard who, when healthy, is still one of the best.
He's to me the best pure point guard in the game, uh, play Devil's Advocate real quick because I don't think I don't think bringing him man makes us not draft a point guard next year.
Uh, it kind of fits into your previous point where because we know that he can play alongside another guard.
It's almost like a win win situation.
I agree million percent.
That's why I was going to say if we drafted say, we got lucky and drafted Karen Lewis at 27 I think that he would be the perfect player to play behind CP three.
Like how? Basically sgh not to say Karen str the same place or not, but the way that G a kind of developed even more playing behind CP three.
I think that a guy like Carol Lewis or in the Garden next year, without saying that would hinder us.
I think that we get a Fred VanVleet, right? Yeah, she would go to next year's driver.
Next year's draft is mostly big men and wings, right? So there's like a dearth of actual, really good point guard.
I think with President, unless you get a point guard who's uber aggressive, right? I don't think Fred VanVleet is a type two.
He's gonna be nurturing kind of.
I don't think he's a guy that make the whole system better.
Like a CP three, CP three makes a team, but he makes the point.
The guards who play around him better, and once he drops off or retires and moves on, that guards a lot better versus forever and who I think is very good and his specialized role as a guard, I don't see them see him having the same impact for another Garvey bring to play alongside him so Well, that's that's kind of what he said, he said.
You haven't seen it from like he admitted that that's what made me intrigued because he said he hasn't had a chance to play the lead role in the MBA.
I haven't I don't really, I don't really Um I didn't follow him in college, so I don't know what type of player he was there, but it sounded like from what he said, that he was a pure point guard in college or prior to the MBA.
So high school college.
It sounded like he said he was that lead guard.
He hasn't had the opportunity to do it yet, which literally makes sense.
He really hasn't, he said.
He's never been the volume shooter that, like that, wasn't his game.
And that's where he he had to do in MBA.
So that's what makes it so intriguing to me.
Like granted, he could be just talking himself up, which you know players are supposed to do.
I'm not and I'm not basing it off of my own history of watching him because, like I said, I didn't really watch him in college.
I don't know about him in high school, but that's that's what got me.
Is that him saying him being this Valium shooter scorer has never been his role.
He's excelled at that.
He's but he's always been a pure point guards.
Now, if you have, if you've watched him in college and you know the history and he's always been, I'm in the same boat, bro.
I don't watch him like that.
I'm in the same because you, But I'm just saying for the little glimpses I saw when calories up, I wasn't telling person, obviously trying to rappers have a good system, but again, you know, those are those are words.
He's trying to book that value to get traded or not traced even to sign to a place where, you know, so many have not would not have looked at him the same way, you know, if he didn't say that, right, I think he's just trying to build and fair to him get your money.
But where the Knicks are right now, we need something.
If you're gonna bring in a veteran point guard, we need something that is a sure bet, right? We need player that we know.
All right. He is going to do this. This and this.
He impacts team this way.
He's gonna make these players better, because even when I look at the draft right, I mean Andy, probably she's me All the time.
To say is, you know, I like muscle because he makes his defense and offense makes the whole team better because the Knicks for shooting, period, we do not have space.
We don't have three point shooting.
Anything about Chris Paul is that Chris Paul comes the fact that he can get us easy baskets.
Now we talk about We talk about Randall getting turnovers because of bad playing, forcing the issue we talked about, Uh, your boy knocks having issues on the floor.
He can't when he's not shooting well, he can't really create his own shot.
You bring God like CP three, who understands the game on such a higher level can get it to the guy who's on a hot streak right on a hot streak at that moment.
Whatever context it is within within the game, Hey knows where the weaknesses are.
He knows, you know, he has a panic driving to the near the foul line kind of like we've into the foul line.
Make that little foul shot or weight to the back door cut.
He's that type of guy.
Gets on the high level.
For Evans is a guy that he plays off of the aggressive guard and he might dribble.
Drive went from the wing when he has an open.
Or maybe his guys trying to recover, defend he get, like, faking driver basket.
But most for the most part, he is a very good sharpshooter, but as a point guard for a position that we need Valley like we need a lead point.
We don't just need a off guard like we had a We had a CP three and probably I would have any profit.
But we need a legit guard and paying him 80 million and then trying.
No, I just I know I know what you're saying.
Yeah, he said all that stuff.
I haven't given me the chance.
But, hey, if you haven't shown it now and you are what is he? 25? 20 z? So you see it? These guys again, we look at that young, but think about they've been playing in the game since For I don't know how long.
I think he's been MBA for four years.
Yeah, Yeah, because this is his first Z, right? So Right, so Right, so right, right.
So, yeah, so it's not necessarily has been the game that long, but, you know, sometimes birds don't change their feathers, man.
I mean, he's gonna do what got into the show on just from the spur time.
Haven't burst or that, you know, You don't think he could be in a position where Where he could be telling the truth, though, Like he did what he had to do to succeed on on that team.
You know what I mean? But I agree before a team that morning.
Why? But like this for a team that needs that needed the offense and the the production from different ways.
Outside of now, the quiet left right you saw Pascal suffered not suffer, but kind of struggle in the playoffs.
Um, calorie, He was hurt.
One of one or two games I might be Well, I know he's looking out for at least one game where I sold family believe not do so.
Well, I'm saying he didn't get that extra element in the playoff like he showed.
He showed me even more this year.
Then then last year, did he show you that? Really? My guard? I don't think he had that role, though.
I understand the question and you're singing.
You're singing to the choir as far as Chris Paul because, you know, I hired him for a long time, But I'm not looking at I'm not looking at any situation as player versus player.
Who's the better fit? I'm looking at the totality.
So I'm looking at not giving up any assets compared to it.
Whatever the asset is that we're giving up, you know what I mean? So so that this is why a guy like Rondo I'm high on a swell guy is just paying is just paying them and not giving up anything.
You know, I agree.
Rondo Valley man, but, you know, take into account that you know, the fact that he won a championship so it could be like I could move on.
But he has been injury prone, right? I mean, he was very fortunate to play these many minutes and just here. Fred VanVleet point.
He did show out in the playoffs.
6 points versus eight points last year.
Uh, this is the playoffs.
1% from three off of 10 attempts a game, versus 38% from 4.
1 attempt last year.
84% from the line versus 77.4.
Um, yeah, that's That's mostly about 6.
So I remember one.
Uh, I'm also because I'm also looking at the fit with him and R J.
And I think I think that's a great like That's a great fit, you know, r J b instead.
J can't play that I don't think our desire to he's not a natural to he's more of a three.
Long term, he's gonna be a three.
Um, but, like right now, like, uh, let's say we have ah, uh, band flick RJ.
Yeah, um, you know less if we don't make any changes or whatever.
Randall and Mitch or I'm high on random playing small ball five in some situations.
I think that would, I think that would help with the space and, um, depending on who were putting at the four.
Hopefully, it's a shooter.
Um, again, I just It's not the it's not the championship move or or anything like that, but I just think he fits very well, like I would not be mad at it, even at 20 million.
I don't think that's like that's I'm not going to say who, but I heard somebody say Is it because he's an undrafted player that people are so down on giving him a $20 million dollar contract? And what they said, If a guy like call Anthony, let's say he gets drafted, right Bond has the same production as Fred Van Leek, and then it comes extension time.
There's not gonna be a question of whether to pay him 20 million.
You know what I'm saying? I agree.
I agree that that bias does exist.
I think that the people who, um, look at it more from a basketball standpoint, like a pure patterns, I I agree with you.
I think that when you're on draft, this people were like, Why is he doing this now because there have been a bunch of guys that have come out of nowhere.
They killed in a contract year and they disappeared, right? Because it's like, you know where that it happens All the time was like You're in college.
You're supposed to be this.
He didn't do it. Then you got the MBA.
He didn't do it until his contract.
He got paid and he stopped.
The next contract got paid and stuff happens with even on drafted.
Drafted all that stuff, right? So it's not Actually, that is just like you looking and be like What? Why didn't he? Because as you get older, you don't get Mawr.
You know how the point when you get older, it's not.
You get more athletic and stuff, you know, your body starting the actual party like and you're like, Why didn't he do what? What was the issue before? Now what President Lee? I'll say this.
The issue I have with him is that I have not been able to see him do it in outside of a system where he's not the main player.
He's not the main guy who wrote the guy last year, obviously when I got traded Hawaii letter.
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Obviously, they have a good backcourt with Fred, vanvleet and calorie.
But Fred Vanvleet would not be so reason or 50% of the reason why they did good right there.
Their game was defense.
The game was playing along.
The game was getting to pass Karsiyaka quiet.
Lending is such a beats on both ends of the floor.
You never saw President Lee all these years like, yo, that is the reason why they're winning versus Chris Paul.
And I know you know, I'm not trying to compare it.
I'm just giving example Ah, guy that impacts the game on the lover where, like, I feel coming, giving the money the okay, so he's gonna have a 4% chance to go to the playoffs, bro.
4% chance to go to playoffs.
And the main reason why I got there, CP three, do you Do you think that 4% chance was accurate number, though it may not, It may not been.
But when you try to CP three to God like, who is this guy? Always make fun of his name or not. Make fun of the door.
Uh, camping out scores his name.
But Dort, uh, you know, s e a who don't even know he had a nice here.
But he's still relatively unproven to get to the playoffs.
You know, guys like Gallinari is probably on his last legs.
Still, don't discount Gallinari like, No, he's He's literally a top free agent right now, right? I'm just saying that I've seen him play like he looks a little heavier.
He's he kind of like that because the back catching up to him like he's no longer 20 something older now.
And it's like he's let's say he's done, but he's literally there's probably his last contract.
He's up to that point, because remember, he had the back issues.
And if you watch the playoffs, is show like he couldn't really even set up a shot properly.
You know, a lot of times you just kind of like lumbering like it looks like he's something has hurt.
Something's not right with him, was just older, whatever.
So I'm not saying I'm just saying like that team, Look at that team without Chris Paul, they're not making the playoffs right.
But with Chris Paul, I did.
And they were very opposed to being the Rockets.
Right? So, uh, when I looked at for friendly, I just get scared because, like, the Knicks were so bottom right in terms of talent, in terms of, uh, cornerstones in terms of vision, everything right? I know people, people coming in.
But there's nothing with the Knicks where it's like, all right, say where the Magic and we went to the playoffs, and it's like, All right, you bring a friend and bleed, Okay, We may not have to depend so much, probably because we have guys like Jonathan Isaacs, who's supposed to be the star.
You got Bruce victims, Still a beast download.
You still got Aaron Gordon, who is productive.
He's not the most efficient.
He's not a great shooter, but he's productive for what he does.
Yeah, I mean, there is.
There's a blueprint and that blueprint got them to the playoffs.
You had a friend and bleep.
Yeah, I mean, then it's like, Okay, now we could build off of that.
The Knicks we're starting from like, if you broke all your labels and literally made only put to together.
That's RJ, and maybe another two. That's Mitch.
But the rest of them, they're scattered Legos.
We have no foundation.
So you bring a guy like President Lee? I'm trying to see How does he impact this team? If he doesn't have a Pascal? If he doesn't have assault, if he doesn't have freaking Yeah, freaking Serge Ibaka last year.
Serge Ibaka is researching out of nowhere.
I don't know where this guy's coming from again.
Yeah, anybody he was playing out of his mind. Yeah.
I mean, so he's had a lot of help.
And I'm just scared that you're bringing to the Knicks and you run into a situation where he is not as effective as you saw the Toronto Raptors.
That z possible.
I definitely will not counted out a zone option.
I'm not dead set against it.
You know what I mean? Like how much? How much you gonna pay? Alright.
20 20 is probably my max.
No, I'm saying hey comes here with 20.
Obviously that that four year 80.
Maybe maybe a player option.
Maybe a team options somewhere in there.
So three years, uh, team option at the end? Yeah, I would not be I wouldn't even be mad, because remember, I'm one of the guys that also doesn't feel like Randall was overpaid.
Uh, the same thing that happened to Randall.
This is what would be This is what was scared me about bam bam Fleet giving him 20 million and being the highest paid and then taking on the mentality that I'm the highest paid, I have to be the savior that I don't want.
I don't want him to come here thinking I gotta I gotta up my scoring again this year.
I want him to come here and play to his strengths and potentially like, he's not a bad ball handler.
He you know, he could just play.
You play to your strength.
That that's the same thing I want for Randall.
Play to your strengths.
Don't try to do more than what you used to do it, you know, let the development come naturally, I rather than a guy that improved year after year after year, except for this this past year and his numbers were still good, Like just just looking at the numbers.
So So I want to think about it Is that we can't like That's things.
Like when we look at the numbers, right, the numbers are there, right? And you look added just from a surface loving like, Oh, yeah, he was productive, like he was good.
But then you look at you know how it impacted team and he plays no defense.
That's what I'm scared about.
You look at a guy who might come in and he'll give you 15.
Um, well, he doesn't impact the game when any other level.
I mean, that's a guy that probably yes, he's not bad on the dribble, but I don't think he's a guy who's gonna be breaking down.
Defense's driving into the article.
How how are you on the guy from Washington? Beltran? Yeah.
I think his name is That was a I'm good on him.
I think that Like what? I think I heard that I have over for him.
Yeah, I think you said he's looking for something around like 15.
I'm not sure if I give a kid like that.
I might go the cheaper out and pick a guy.
Christian would who you complain about? The four.
I think he's better than five.
Give me a space big.
I'll find a way to play him, and you could probably give him, maybe say, 10 million versus Given a guy like birth Trans 15 again.
I think a guy like a guy like Bertrand 50 I don't want to run into the the port is thing where we overpaid for a guy who I think in isolation, I think that guys like Pores and Bertrand's.
They do better on, like contenders right where they just needed to just do one thing.
One or two things, I think, reports we also looked into try toe, you know, we needed him to play defense.
He couldn't do that.
You got destroyed.
Hey, did do better at the end of the year, but I still think it's under kind of underwear with the Knicks for Birch, and we get paid him what? 15.
A option on also think about you just want to get about.
I'm not sure you get murder trying to me, e I say Bobby Portis is way better than Beltran is to me in my on man.
Who's to say if if Bobby shot 10 shots the game and ate it on his threes, he wouldn't have had, like the same time.
Same type of production? No, no, no.
But also, I would say with chorus, there was just maybe they were just too many times where he didn't show up at his best game here against his former teams and which is in the Bulls.
He scored like 37 against the Bulls, and everybody's like, Oh, this is the poorest.
If you gave me 70% of this Portis, I've signed you every year and they were just too many highs and lows.
Right? How many times you see when you have open? Three? He missed in clutch situations like you see him.
Guys are backing him down, and his defense was his support for 6 11 guy.
His defense was bad.
Now he applied, but it was still pouring out with Bertrand again.
Even Bertrand's he's he was on a terrible team.
I mean, they did come in 10.
They won 25 games, I believe, But you know that team, They they didn't have a 500 records, and I agreed to a guy like purchase.
Alright, you give all these shots and make you know, Does he do that? Um, the thing with him is like, I need more from you.
Like at least Christian Woods.
Can I agree? My argument was I'd rather give Van Fleet the 20 than pay a guy like Beltran.
You know what I'm saying? Because way more than just he's more than just a way, something that you're right.
Let's just take this out.
Do you think that they sit there and say, You play, we pay for it and leave this much money, and he's Our project is you know how GM is.
They'll stick with something, they'll stick with the project and not draft for that position again because they don't wanna I think they don't want to show that that project, maybe a failure.
They wanna admit that that project is a failure.
If you're if you're able to get a cake cutting him right.
Do you think back off of him because we have a guy like President Lee? No, not at all.
not with not with without scouting and our greatest scouting and coaching staff.
I feel like so they're not gonna look at.
Oh, we just signed Van bleak.
Let's not break.
Like I said earlier, we already seen they have leaked is fine with another next to another point guard.
We're very singing.
You know what I mean? All we're doing is adding a piece that could help.
I really don't see any any downside to it.
I'm also not in one of those people that I was talking about holding holding money for free agency because I feel like we need to move like a small market team.
We've been striking out on free agents.
Um, I'm more leaning towards trading for someone then then China, just straight up someone.
But it has to be the right guy.
And I was the early one of CP three, but I'm kind of down on it now because I don't want to give up assets.
You hear? That is not gonna be a salary dump.
Um, the old things that you look around the league like I try to look at the bucks and they would have to give up.
They would have to give up Middleton, uh, to make those contracts work.
Then you drop down. Middleton.
It was like Lopez.
I was, I think, Wow, I'm black.
So someone So I think I think they could keep Middleton.
And I don't think they would do it giving up Middleton because you're you're getting all that and you only have to do you honest for one, he didn't resign.
I don't know if he's getting any promises.
You know, you don't want to play that game where you load up for guys final year.
And he was like, uh, yeah, this is nice, but I'm gonna go over to l.
A or whatever play with us and stuff, so, yeah, I don't know.
I just don't know what's gonna happen.
CBD I think they try to build up his trade value because I think that me personally right.
I think that they know that they're stuck if they're trying to move him the okay.
See, loves picks.
They love to fleece teams and get pics.
I think they know that there is gonna be hard to get into a contender That's why that room and came out at first, all the Knicks wild blah this offer on the table, the Knicks at the G.
M of the Thunder Like obviously you like that.
Offers you gave it doesn't make any sense.
Um, but then they try to include the Lakers so they try to drum up the value.
But it's like how the Lakers cannot make that.
There's There's no way they make that trains on space from to do that. And then the Clippers.
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