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It's on a couple of minutes and and with a couple of hours, So, uh, Tony, that I don I want that car autonomous So that is good.
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So basically, I want to talk in on t o get about, you know, and endure.
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Exactly, uh, most about the knicks, but also like that video now back on was going on, and you get it? Yeah, I was E Oh, man.
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You sound a little funny.
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It sounds like ****ey Mouse.
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So yeah, you know, straightforward.
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Um, you know what? Todo you know, I have a feeling like and but they didn't hesitate.
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Uh, you said straight over like that, You know, you have a type of trip a tickle in his own on that doesn't get, you know, the bag that 20 years a great So they wait, Hold up, everyone e I'm getting you know, probably Oh, you know, for the money.
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And you're not gonna have any, you know, stand on the way.
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Whoever Whatever, Right.
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And, uh, I'm not clear about it.
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No small schools, whatever I'm gonna say, because let me at this time, whatever over it.
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And I'm the kind of good do you understand? Let them go.
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Put him on the line.
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What about the E? I like what? What? Well, number one.
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You know, recently, I've been expressing how much I value championship experience.
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Eso you know, he checks.
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He checked the box there.
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He checks the box as a shooter.
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Um, the real thing that interests me, that of what he said is he said he hasn't really had a chance to play your point guard in the NBA.
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And he said that he feels like that was his strength, but the fact that he feels like he's more than just a shooter and he could run a team that that intrigues me a lot.
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Yeah.
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No, it sometimes.
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I don't know.
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Uh, it was in the backcourt with a lot of like, there was a two man booth and they were playing quite industry of them.
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I think it takes right.
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Both of them are no longer and I our defendant or whatever the women dependent, but I'm not gonna not at that point.
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But, you know, small.
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I lived my pace So small.
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So, you know, uh, that has me quite so much on the other thing.
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That a e o boy light off a couple of people.
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Yeah, uh, most people.
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And you got the point.
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God, next.
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You don't have nothing.
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Way have now.
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So I'm afraid, you know that I understand his situation and his escalation right to be bythe e don't see that happens with this attack.
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I mean, like, you might want to do it, but in all, I don't think it will do that, you know, positive.
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But then toe orchestrate that these guys around that much just to make a complaint, I wouldn't be.
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I wouldn't push for it per se, but I wouldn't be mad at it at all.
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He's 100% upgrade.
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Um, I'm trying to look at him in comparison, so, you know, I don't know.
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Last 10 years of point guards, I found that.
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Good.
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Now, that e mean so you can't one beggars can't be choosers, you know? Um, yeah, again.
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I wouldn't be mad at it.
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Would he be a downgrade defensively? Probably not.
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He would probably.
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Even with his woes, he would still be a upgrade defensively.
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Maybe the exception of Franklin Latina.
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But I would definitely Yeah, I'm not saying, you know, like, it would be a like, Of course, I really feel this one.
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But you know the question.
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Is it for the money? I really, really had about 20 million or over 20 million years.
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E gonna look once before you, like the people take find what? And I don't think it's gonna be looking for.
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I want that one and then try to get, you know, the contract.
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Because, you know, by the situation, uh, just like, you know, Michael, stop.
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Really soon.
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If they know you're a yesterday that a e Uh huh.
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A for, um, e e on my bike on that? No, I think that the other No, that's myself.
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E had a bit.
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Sounds wait, do you hear Tony Crime? Not only one.
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Hey, sounds like ****ey Mouse to me. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You sound it.
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Sounds like Like a like a saw movie.
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You sound like a villain from star like sounds psychotic, but like e definitely gotta I gotta focusing on what you're saying.
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Yeah, because it sounds a little It sounds like, because Also sounds ****led too.
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So it's like It's weird.
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It sounds like you're like e that in the study and no.
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All right.
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Well, what's your take? Gamble.
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How you How you been? Haven't haven't seen you in a while.
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Yeah, I'm good, man.
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How you doing, bro? I'm good, you know, Working hard.
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As always.
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Of course. Of course.
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Of course, man.
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But I got to disagree with you on Fred Vanvleet, bro.
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Come on, man.
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Come on. You're not.
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You said beggars can't be choosers.
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But you gotta pick the guy that's gonna fit your system.
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Right? Right.
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So now I will say Tony Crow has made good calls in the past cp three and whatnot.
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So I'm a definitely amiss credit.
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But with the Fred vanvleet, I mean paying 80 million to a guard who I don't think is a lead guard.
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Right.
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If we had another aggressive guard like a cow, Lowry, Um, what you can say like a tree, young What I'm saying a guy that reverend, because everybody plays off of Carla.
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Carla is always driving to the basket.
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Sometimes we're back into your supposed toe.
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I don't know if he does much, but relatively is more of a sharpshooter. Guard.
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who plays off from now.
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If you remember the playoff game where Carl I was out, like a game or so favorably struggle because you know when you he's not the quickest of foot, his dribbles not like trade Young where even though he's smaller, that he could split defense is, and he has that little twitch heavy.
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He's a very straightforward kind of guard for the most part, so that he can shoot the ball right.
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He's great at shooting Boy shoots like 40% every year.
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He's a guy that I think that he would struggle, especially on the team.
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And we don't have another guard like that, right? We're struggling toe for RG at the to.
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Obviously, we trap somebody else.
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I think you know, we dropped another wing player for R J D three, But even then we don't have another guard who has that dribble and has that aggression.
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You mean to get to the basket effectively, right? You say D J d J.
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Is way lower than calorie in trade, young right? So to me, favorably, wouldn't it, reverently, if you weren't paying 80 million, then we could talk.
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But, you know, he even came out today.
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Obviously, guys talking about he came out to talk about.
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He wants big money.
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He's in it to cash out.
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I I'm not sure you can I refresh the browser, or is the street gonna go down? Yes.
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There was always constantly e So So try try Lett's try because you just come back in the o.
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Trying to understand just you sound like ****ey Mouse.
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I can't understand.
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You said, finish up on credit, Vanvleet.
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And then all right, so, yeah, that's not taking.
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I'd rather you know, I was going to the draft, uh, on pick up a point guard.
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I mean, obviously, people tell Carol Lewis, you know, I don't know if he's gonna be available.
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27. You might have to trade up for him.
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Uh, if killing Hayes falls, the yellow ball falls and pushes killing.
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He hated the Knicks.
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You pick a guy like that and he's I think, uh, but yeah, I'm just to give him that money.
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Now again, no one's really be coming to the Knicks.
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The only thing is that do you want to put your money into that point guard and then next year you know, possibly convince yourself that you don't need a point guard next year.
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Like if a kid kind of him who I know people say could be a point guard shooting guard.
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He's kind of in that mix.
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But a guy who is, I think way more talented than overall, then favorably, yeah.
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I mean, I think when you take forever and that is your point guard project for the next few years, versus If You go into next year and you trade for CP three, who only be it for two years, right, that money is sunk.
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But you're talking about a point guard who, when healthy, is still one of the best.
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He's to me.
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The best pure point guard in the game on with That was advocate real quick because I don't think I don't think bringing him man makes us not draft a point guard next year.
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Uh, it kind of fits into your previous point where because we know that he can play alongside another guard almost.
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It's almost like a win win situation.
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I agree million percent.
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That's why I was going to say if we drafted say, we got lucky and drafted Karen Lewis at 27.
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I think that he would be the perfect player to play behind CP three.
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Like how? Basically, sgh not to say Karen SDR the same place or not, but the way that g a kind of develop even more playing behind CP three.
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I think that a guy like Carol Lewis when the guard next year, without saying that would hinder us.
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I think that if we get a Fred VanVleet right, yeah, she would go to next year's driver.
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Next year's draft is mostly big men and wings, right? So there's like a dearth of actual, really good point guard, I think with Fred VanVleet, unless you get a point guard who's uber aggressive, right? I don't think Fred VanVleet is a type two.
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He's gonna be nurturing kind of.
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He's not.
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I don't think he's the guy to make the whole system better.
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Like a CP three, CP three makes a team, but he makes the point.
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The guards who play around him better, and once he drops off or retires and moves on that guards a lot better versus Fred Vanvleet, who I think is very good in this specialized role as a guard.
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I don't see him having the same impact for another Garvey bring to play alongside him so well, that's that's kind of what he said, he said.
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You haven't seen it from like he admitted that that's what made me intrigued because he said he hasn't had a chance to play the lead role in the MBA.
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I haven't I don't really I don't really e didn't follow him in college, so I don't know what type of player he was there.
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But it sounded like from what he said, that he was a pure point guard in college or prior to the MBA.
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So high school college.
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It sounded like he said he was that that lead guard.
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He hasn't had the opportunity to do it yet, which literally makes sense.
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He really hasn't, he said.
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He's never been the volume shooter that, like that, wasn't his game.
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And that's what he he had to do in the MBA.
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So that's what makes it so intriguing to me.
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Like granted, he could be just talking himself up, which you know players are supposed to do.
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I'm not and I'm not basing it off of my own history, of watching him because, like I said, I didn't really watch a minute college.
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I don't know about him in high school, but that's that's what got me.
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Is this him saying him being this Valium shooter scorer has never been his role.
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He's excelled at that.
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He's but he's always been a pure point guards.
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Now, if you have, if you've watched him in college and you know the history and he's always been I'm in the same boat, bro.
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I don't watch him like that.
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I'm in the same because you, But I'm just saying for the little glimpses I saw when calories up, I wasn't telling person.
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Obviously, the Toronto Raptors have a good system.
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Um, but again, you know, those are those are words.
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He's trying to book that value to get traded or not trade.
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Speaking to sign to a place where, you know, some may not would not have looked at him the same way, you know, if he didn't say that, right, I think he's just trying to build and fair to him, get your money.
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But where the Knicks are right now, we need something.
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If you're gonna bring in a veteran point guard.
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We need something that is a sure bet, right? We need ah, player that we know.
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All right? He is gonna do this.
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This and this.
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He impacts team this way.
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He's gonna make these players better.
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Because even when I look at the draft, right, I mean and he probably sees me all the time to say is you know, I like muscle because he makes his defense and offense makes the whole team better.
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Because the Knicks for shooting, period, we do not have space and we don't have three point shooting.
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Anything about Chris Paul is that Chris Paul comes the fact that he can get us easy baskets.
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Now we talk about we talk about Randall getting turnovers because of bad playing, forcing the issue we talked about, Uh, your boy knocks having issues on the floor.
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He can't when he's not shooting well, he can't really create his own shot.
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You bringing out like CP three who understands the game on such a higher level can get it to the guy who's on a hot streak grand, a hot streak at that moment, or whatever context it is within within the game.
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Hey, knows where the weaknesses are.
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He knows, you know.
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He has a panic drive into the near the foul line.
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Kind of like we even to the foul line make that little foul shot or weight to the back door, cut and make that pass.
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He's the type of guy gets on the high level.
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Fred Vanvleet is a guy that he plays off of the aggressive guard and he might dribble.
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Drive went from the wing when he has an open.
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Or maybe his guys trying to recover defend.
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He could like faking driver basket.
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But most for the most part, he is a very good sharpshooter, but as a point guard for a position that we need Valley like we need a lead point.
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We don't just need a off guard like way.
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Had a CP three and preferably I would have any profit.
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But we need a legit guard and paying him 80 million and then trying.
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No, I just e no, I know what you're saying.
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Yeah, he said all that stuff. I haven't given me the chance. Behave.
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You haven't shown it now.
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And you are What is he, 25? 20 z? You see these guys again we're looking at That's young, But think about they've been playing in the game since For I don't know how long.
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I think he's been MBA for four years.
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For five years.
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Oh, yeah.
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This will.
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Yeah, Yeah, because this is his first.
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Uh right.
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So Right.
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So Right, so right, right.
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So, yeah, so it's not necessarily has been the game that long, but, you know, sometimes birds don't change their feathers, man.
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I mean, he's gonna do what got into the show on just from this first time.
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Still haven't burst or that, you know, you don't think he could be in a position where Where he could be telling the truth, though, Like he did what he had to do to succeed on on that team.
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You know what? You know what I mean? But I agree before a team that morning, why? But put like this 14 that need that needed the offense and the the production from different ways outside of not acquire left, right? You saw Pascal suffered.
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Not suffer, but kind of struggle in the playoffs.
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Um, calorie was hurt. I believe.
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One of one or two games I might be.
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Well, I know he's looking out for at least one game.
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Where? So fair that bleep not do so.
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Well, what I'm saying.
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He didn't let me start getting that extra element down in the playoffs like he showed.
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He showed me even more this year.
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Then then last year, did he show you that really keep my guard? I don't think he had that role, though.
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Yeah, E understand.
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I understand the question and you're singing singing to the choir as far as Chris Paul because, you know, I hired him for a long time, But I'm not looking at I'm not looking at any situation as player versus player.
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Who's the better fit? I'm looking at the totality.
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So I'm looking at not giving up any assets compared to whatever the asset is that we're giving up, you know? You know what I mean? So so that this is why a guy like Rondo I'm high on a swell guy is just paying is just paying them and not giving up anything.
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You know, I agree Rondo Valley man, but, you know, take into account that you know the fact that he won a championship, so it could be like I could move on.
00:21:06
But he has been injury prone, right? I mean, he was very fortunate to play these many minutes and just here.
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Fred VanVleet point.
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He did show out in the playoffs.
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He averaged 19.
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6 points versus eight points last year.
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Uh, this is the playoffs.
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B shot 39.
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1% from three off of 10 attempts a game, versus 38% from 4.
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1 attempt last year.
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84% from the line versus 77.4.
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Um, yeah, that's That's mostly about 6.9 assists.
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I believe Kyle, I was out.
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So I remember one.
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I'm also because I'm also looking at the fit with him and R J.
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And I think I think that's a great like That's a great fit.
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A B instead.
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Because R.
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J can't play that I don't think our desire to he's not a natural to.
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He's more of a three.
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I agree.
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Long term, he's gonna be a three.
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Um, but like right now, like the let's say we have ah, uh, band flick RJ Block.
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Um, you know less if we don't make any changes or whatever Randall and and Mitch or I'm high on random playing small ball five in some situations.
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I think that would.
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I think that would help with the space in, um, depending on who were putting at the four.
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Hopefully, it's a shooter.
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Um, again, I just It's not the it's not the championship move or or anything like that, but I just think he fits very well like I would not be mad at it even at 20 million.
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I don't think that's like that's I'm not going to say who, but I heard somebody say Is it because he's an undrafted player that people are so down on giving him a $20 million contract? And what they said, If a guy like call Anthony, let's say he gets drafted right on and has the same production as Fred Van Leek, and then it comes extension time, there's not gonna be a question of whether to pay him 20 million.
00:23:29
You know what I'm saying? I agree that that bias does exist.
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I think that with people who, um, look at it more from a basketball standpoint, like a pure patterns, I I agree with you.
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I think that when you're in draft this people were like, Why is he doing this now? Because there have been a bunch of guys that have come out of nowhere.
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They killed in a contract year and they disappeared, right? Because it's like, you know where that it happens All the time was like You're in college.
00:24:00
You're supposed to be this. He didn't do it.
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Then you got the MBA.
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He didn't do it until his contract got paid and he stopped.
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The next contract got paid, and stuff happens with even on drafted, drafted or that stuff, right? So it's not Actually, that is just like you looking and be like What? Why didn't he? Because as you get older, you don't get Mawr.
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You know, at a point when you get older, it's not.
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You get more athletic and stuff, you know, your body starting the actual party like you're like, Why didn't he do what? What was the issue before? Now, with Fred Vanvleet, I'll say this.
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The issue I have with him is that I have not been able to see him do it in outside of a system where he's not the main player.
00:24:37
He's not the main guy who wrote the guy last year.
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Obviously, when I got trace Kawai.
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Leonard Uh, sorry.
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Kuai past past Karsiyaka o g n a newbie Hey, Got her last emoji And then we showed up.
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This year it's like they play with a lot of London.
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Obviously they have a good backcourt with Fred and bleed and calorie.
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But Fred Vanvleet would not be so reason or 50% of the reason why they did good right there.
00:25:01
Their game was defense.
00:25:03
The game was playing along.
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Their game was getting to pass Karsiyaka quietly is such a beats on both ends of the floor.
00:25:10
You never saw Fred Vanvleet all these years like, yo, that is the reason why they're winning versus Chris Paul.
00:25:15
And I know you know, I'm not trying to compare it. I'm just giving example.
00:25:18
Ah, guy that impacts the game on the level where, like, I feel coming, giving the money the okay, so I'm gonna have a 4% chance to go to the playoffs, bro.
00:25:26
4% chance to go to playoffs.
00:25:27
And the main reason why I got there, CP three, do you Do you think that 4% chance was was an accurate number, though it may not.
00:25:36
It may not been, but when you try to CP three to God like, uh, who is this guy? Always make fun of his name or not Make fun, but door, uh, camp announced forces name.
00:25:48
But Dort, uh, you know s e a who don't even know he had a nice stay with the Clippers.
00:25:53
But you're still relatively unproven to get to the playoffs.
00:25:57
You know, guys like Gallinari is probably on his last legs, Stephen, and don't discount Gallinari like he's literally a top free agent right now.
00:26:09
Right now, I'm not sure.
00:26:10
I'm just saying that I've seen him play like he looks a little heavier and he's he kind of like because the back catching up to him like he's no longer twentysomethings older now.
00:26:21
And it's like he's not say he's done, but he's literally there's probably his last contact.
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Whatever is up to that point, because remember, you have back issues.
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And if you watch the playoffs, is show like he couldn't really even set up a shot properly.
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You know, a lot of times you just kind of like lumbering like it looks like he's something, has hurt.
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Something's not right with them or just older whatever.
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So I might issue.
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I'm just saying, like that team, You look at that team without Chris Paul, they're not making the playoffs right.
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But with Chris Paul, I did.
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And they were very close to being the Rockets, right? So, um, when I looked at Fred Friendly, I just get scared because it's like the Knicks were so bottom right in terms of talent, in terms of, uh, cornerstones in terms of vision, everything right.
00:27:00
I know people, new people coming in.
00:27:02
But there's nothing with the Knicks where it's like, all right, say where the Magic and we went to the playoffs and it's like, All right, you bring in a Fred VanVleet.
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Okay? We may not have to depend so much of it because we have guys like Jonathan Isaacs, who's supposed to be the star.
00:27:13
You got Bruce victims through a beast download.
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You still got Aaron Gordon, who is productive.
00:27:18
He's not the most efficient.
00:27:19
He's not a great shooter, but he's productive for what he does.
00:27:21
Yeah, I mean, there is.
00:27:22
There's a blueprint and that blueprint got them to the playoffs.
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You had a friend, vanvleet.
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Yeah, I mean, then it's like, Okay, now we could build off of that.
00:27:30
The Knicks we're starting from like, if you broke all your labels and literally made only put to together.
00:27:36
That's RJ, and maybe another two.
00:27:38
That's Mitch.
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But the rest of us are scattered Legos.
00:27:41
We have no foundation.
00:27:42
So you bring a guy like President Lee? I'm trying to see How does he impact this team? If he doesn't have a Pascal? If he doesn't have the salt, if he doesn't have freaking, you're freaking Serge Ibaka last year.
00:27:52
Serge Ibaka is researching out of nowhere.
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I don't know where this guy's coming from again.
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You? Yeah, anybody he was playing off his mind? Yeah.
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I mean, so he's had a lot of help.
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And I'm just scared that you bring to the Knicks.
00:28:02
You run into a situation where he is not as effective as you saw the Toronto Raptors.
00:28:08
That z possible e definitely were not counted out as as an option.
00:28:16
I'm not dead set against it.
00:28:18
You know what I mean? Like how much? How much you wanna pay? Alright.
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20 twenties is probably my max.
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No, I'm saying hey comes you with 20. Obviously.
00:28:33
That that four year 80. I'll do it.
00:28:37
Maybe maybe a player option.
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Maybe a team options somewhere in there.
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So three years, uh, team option at the end.
00:28:44
Yeah, I would not be I wouldn't even be mad, because remember, I'm one of the guys that also doesn't feel like Randall was overpaid.
00:28:55
Uh, the same thing that happened to Randall.
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This is what would be This is what was scared me about bam bam Fleet giving him 20 million and being the highest paid and then taking on the mentality that I'm the highest paid, I have to be the savior that I don't want.
00:29:15
I don't want him to come here thinking I gotta I gotta up my scoring again this year.
00:29:21
I want him to come here and play to his strengths and potentially like he's not a bad ball handler.
00:29:32
He you know, he could just play.
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You play to your strength.
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That that's the same thing I want for Randall.
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Play to your strengths.
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Don't try to do more than what you used to do it, you know, let the development come naturally.
00:29:46
I Randall's been a guy that improved year after year after year, except for this this past year, and his numbers were still good, like just just looking at the numbers.
00:30:00
So So we want to think about it is that we can't like.
00:30:05
That's things like when we look at the numbers, right, the numbers air there, right? And you look added just from a surface level like Oh, yeah, he was productive, like he was good.
00:30:14
But then you look at what you know how to impact the team.
00:30:16
And he plays no defense.
00:30:17
That's what I'm saying.
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You look at a guy who might come in and he'll give you 15, 16.
00:30:23
Um, but he doesn't impact the game on any other level.
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I mean, that's a guy that probably yes, he's not bad on the dribble, but I don't think he's a guy who's gonna be breaking down.
00:30:33
Defense's driving into the article.
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How how are you on the guy from Washington? The bullet train? Yeah.
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Beltran.
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I think his name is that should be got, um I'm good on him.
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I think that Like what? Like I think I heard that I have over for him.
00:31:08
Yeah, I think he said.
00:31:09
He's looking for something like 15.
00:31:12
I'm not sure if I give a kid like that 15, I might go the cheaper out and pick God.
00:31:18
Christian would who you complain about? The four.
00:31:22
I think he's better than five.
00:31:23
Give me a space big.
00:31:25
I'll find a way to play him, and you could probably give him, maybe say, 10 million versus Given a guy like birth Trans 15 again, I think a guy like a guy like Birches 50.
00:31:34
I don't want to run into the the port is thing where you overpaid for a guy who I think in isolation, I think that guys like Pores and Bertrand's.
00:31:45
They do better on, like contenders right where they just needed to just do one thing.
00:31:49
One or two things, I think, reports We also looked into tryto, you know, we need him to play defense.
00:31:54
He couldn't do that.
00:31:55
You got destroyed. Download a lot.
00:31:57
Hey, did do better at the end of the year, but I still think he's under kind of underwhelmed for the Knicks for Birch, and we get paid him what, 15.
00:32:05
A option on also think about.
00:32:10
Here's what I'm scared about.
00:32:11
I'm not sure you get murder trying to me.
00:32:14
E I say Bobby Portis is way better than Beltran is to me in my on man.
00:32:23
And who's to say if if Bobby shot 10 shots the game and ate it on his threes, he wouldn't have had, like, the same type.
00:32:32
Same type of production? No, no, no.
00:32:36
But also, I would say what chorus? There was just many.
00:32:43
There were just too many times where he didn't show up at his best game against his former teams, that which is in the Bulls.
00:32:48
He scored like 37 against the Bulls, and everybody's like, Oh, this is the poorest.
00:32:52
If you gave me 70% of this Portis, I'd signed you every year and they were just too many highs and lows. Reporters.
00:32:58
Right? How many times you see when you have open? Three.
00:33:00
He missed in clutch situations like How can you see him? Guys are backing him down, and his defense was ****ed.
00:33:05
Port for 6 11 guy.
00:33:06
His defense was bad.
00:33:08
Now he tried, but it was still pouring out with Bertrand again.
00:33:13
Even Bertrand's he's He was on a terrible team.
00:33:15
I mean, they did come in 10.
00:33:16
They won 25 games, I believe.
00:33:17
But you know that team they didn't have a 500 records.
00:33:22
And I agree with you. A guy like birches.
00:33:24
Alright, if you give them all these shots and make you know, does he do that? Um, the thing with him is like, I need more from you.
00:33:31
Like at least Christian Woods.
00:33:32
Can I agree? My argument was I'd rather give Van Fleet the 20 than pay a guy like Beltran.
00:33:39
You know what I'm saying? Because e morning just he's more than just a If we suck next year, right? Let's just take this out of running.
00:33:51
Do you think that they sit there and say, You play? We pay for event, leave this much money and he's Our project is you know how GM is. All right.
00:33:57
They'll stick with something, they'll stick with the project and not draft for that position again because they don't wanna I think they don't want to show that that project, maybe a failure.
00:34:05
They wanna admit that that project made a failure.
00:34:07
If you're if you're able to get a K Cunningham, right? Do you think it off of him because we have a guy like bleep? No, not at all.
00:34:19
Not with not with not without scouting and upgraded scouting and coaching staff.
00:34:25
I feel like so they're not gonna look at.
00:34:29
Oh, we just signed Van bleak.
00:34:31
Let's not break.
00:34:32
Like I said earlier, we already seen the public is fine with another next to another point guard.
00:34:39
We're very singing.
00:34:41
So it is.
00:34:42
You know what I mean? All we're doing is adding a piece that could help.
00:34:47
I really don't see any any downside to it.
00:34:51
I'm also not in one of those people that I was talking about holding holding money for free agency because I feel like we need to move like a small market team.
00:35:03
We've We've been striking out on free agents.
00:35:06
Um, I'm more leaning towards trading for someone, then then trying to just straight up someone.
00:35:16
But it has to be the right guy.
00:35:19
And I was the early one on CP three, but I'm kind of down on it now because I don't want to give up assets, you hear there's not gonna be a salary dump and those things that You look around the league like I try to look at the bucks and they would have to give up.
00:35:35
They would have to give up Middleton, uh, to make those contracts work.
00:35:38
Then you drop down Middleton.
00:35:41
There's, like, little parrots and e think Wow, Bledsoe.
00:35:48
So I think I think they could keep Middleton.
00:35:51
And I don't think they would do it giving up Middleton because you're you're getting all that and you only have this duty, honest for one, he didn't resign.
00:36:00
I don't know if he's giving any promises.
00:36:02
You know, you don't want to play that game where you load up for guys final year and he's like, uh, yeah, this is nice, but I'm gonna go over to L.
00:36:09
A or whatever played with such and such.
00:36:11
So yeah, I agree. I don't know.
00:36:13
I just don't know what's gonna have a CBD.
00:36:14
I think they try to build up his trade value because I think that me personally right.
00:36:19
I think that they know that they're stuck if they're trying to move him the okay, See, loves picks.
00:36:24
They love to fleece teams and get pics.
00:36:26
That's the m o they I think they know that there is gonna be hard to get into a contender.
00:36:30
That's why that room and came out at first, all the Knicks blah, blah.
00:36:34
This is often the tip of the Knicks at the g. M of the Thunder.
00:36:37
Like obviously you like that offer you gave It doesn't make any sense.
00:36:41
Um, but then they try to include the Lakers so they try to drum up the value.
00:36:45
But it's like how the Lakers cannot make that.
00:36:48
There's There's no way they make that trains on space from to do that.
00:36:50
And then the Clippers.
00:36:51
To who the hell the Clippers guilt.
00:36:53
They don't have any pigs.
00:36:54
Don't have anything really e And maybe throwing Lou Williams.
00:37:03
Montrose Making what? This year? 99 million.
00:37:06
Him he was making How much? E o e? Okay, Is it still going
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NBA Draft Rumors, FVV and the Knicks
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So basically, I want to talk in on t o get about, you know, and endure.
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Um, you know what? Todo you know, I have a feeling like and but they didn't hesitate.
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And you're not gonna have any, you know, stand on the way.
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Whoever Whatever, Right.
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And, uh, I'm not clear about it.
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No small schools, whatever I'm gonna say, because let me at this time, whatever over it.
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And I'm the kind of good do you understand? Let them go.
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Put him on the line.
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What about the E? I like what? What? Well, number one.
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You know, recently, I've been expressing how much I value championship experience.
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Eso you know, he checks.
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He checked the box there.
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He checks the box as a shooter.
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Um, the real thing that interests me, that of what he said is he said he hasn't really had a chance to play your point guard in the NBA.
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And he said that he feels like that was his strength, but the fact that he feels like he's more than just a shooter and he could run a team that that intrigues me a lot.
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I don't know.
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I think it takes right.
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Both of them are no longer and I our defendant or whatever the women dependent, but I'm not gonna not at that point.
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I lived my pace So small.
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So I'm afraid, you know that I understand his situation and his escalation right to be bythe e don't see that happens with this attack.
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I mean, like, you might want to do it, but in all, I don't think it will do that, you know, positive.
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But then toe orchestrate that these guys around that much just to make a complaint, I wouldn't be.
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I wouldn't push for it per se, but I wouldn't be mad at it at all.
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He's 100% upgrade.
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Um, I'm trying to look at him in comparison, so, you know, I don't know.
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Last 10 years of point guards, I found that.
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Good.
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Now, that e mean so you can't one beggars can't be choosers, you know? Um, yeah, again.
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I wouldn't be mad at it.
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Would he be a downgrade defensively? Probably not.
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He would probably.
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Even with his woes, he would still be a upgrade defensively.
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Maybe the exception of Franklin Latina.
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But I would definitely Yeah, I'm not saying, you know, like, it would be a like, Of course, I really feel this one.
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But you know the question.
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Is it for the money? I really, really had about 20 million or over 20 million years.
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E gonna look once before you, like the people take find what? And I don't think it's gonna be looking for.
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I want that one and then try to get, you know, the contract.
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Because, you know, by the situation, uh, just like, you know, Michael, stop.
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Really soon.
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If they know you're a yesterday that a e Uh huh.
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A for, um, e e on my bike on that? No, I think that the other No, that's myself.
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E had a bit.
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Sounds wait, do you hear Tony Crime? Not only one.
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Hey, sounds like ****ey Mouse to me. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You sound it.
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Sounds like Like a like a saw movie.
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You sound like a villain from star like sounds psychotic, but like e definitely gotta I gotta focusing on what you're saying.
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Yeah, because it sounds a little It sounds like, because Also sounds ****led too.
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So it's like It's weird.
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It sounds like you're like e that in the study and no.
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All right.
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Well, what's your take? Gamble.
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How you How you been? Haven't haven't seen you in a while.
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Yeah, I'm good, man.
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How you doing, bro? I'm good, you know, Working hard.
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As always.
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Of course. Of course.
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Of course, man.
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But I got to disagree with you on Fred Vanvleet, bro.
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Come on, man.
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Come on. You're not.
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You said beggars can't be choosers.
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But you gotta pick the guy that's gonna fit your system.
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Right? Right.
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So now I will say Tony Crow has made good calls in the past cp three and whatnot.
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So I'm a definitely amiss credit.
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But with the Fred vanvleet, I mean paying 80 million to a guard who I don't think is a lead guard.
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Right.
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If we had another aggressive guard like a cow, Lowry, Um, what you can say like a tree, young What I'm saying a guy that reverend, because everybody plays off of Carla.
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Carla is always driving to the basket.
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Sometimes we're back into your supposed toe.
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I don't know if he does much, but relatively is more of a sharpshooter. Guard.
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who plays off from now.
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If you remember the playoff game where Carl I was out, like a game or so favorably struggle because you know when you he's not the quickest of foot, his dribbles not like trade Young where even though he's smaller, that he could split defense is, and he has that little twitch heavy.
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He's a very straightforward kind of guard for the most part, so that he can shoot the ball right.
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He's great at shooting Boy shoots like 40% every year.
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He's a guy that I think that he would struggle, especially on the team.
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And we don't have another guard like that, right? We're struggling toe for RG at the to.
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Obviously, we trap somebody else.
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I think you know, we dropped another wing player for R J D three, But even then we don't have another guard who has that dribble and has that aggression.
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You mean to get to the basket effectively, right? You say D J d J.
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Is way lower than calorie in trade, young right? So to me, favorably, wouldn't it, reverently, if you weren't paying 80 million, then we could talk.
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But, you know, he even came out today.
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Obviously, guys talking about he came out to talk about.
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He wants big money.
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He's in it to cash out.
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I I'm not sure you can I refresh the browser, or is the street gonna go down? Yes.
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There was always constantly e So So try try Lett's try because you just come back in the o.
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Trying to understand just you sound like ****ey Mouse.
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I can't understand.
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You said, finish up on credit, Vanvleet.
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And then all right, so, yeah, that's not taking.
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I'd rather you know, I was going to the draft, uh, on pick up a point guard.
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I mean, obviously, people tell Carol Lewis, you know, I don't know if he's gonna be available.
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27. You might have to trade up for him.
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Uh, if killing Hayes falls, the yellow ball falls and pushes killing.
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He hated the Knicks.
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You pick a guy like that and he's I think, uh, but yeah, I'm just to give him that money.
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Now again, no one's really be coming to the Knicks.
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The only thing is that do you want to put your money into that point guard and then next year you know, possibly convince yourself that you don't need a point guard next year.
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Like if a kid kind of him who I know people say could be a point guard shooting guard.
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He's kind of in that mix.
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But a guy who is, I think way more talented than overall, then favorably, yeah.
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I mean, I think when you take forever and that is your point guard project for the next few years, versus If You go into next year and you trade for CP three, who only be it for two years, right, that money is sunk.
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But you're talking about a point guard who, when healthy, is still one of the best.
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He's to me.
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The best pure point guard in the game on with That was advocate real quick because I don't think I don't think bringing him man makes us not draft a point guard next year.
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Uh, it kind of fits into your previous point where because we know that he can play alongside another guard almost.
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It's almost like a win win situation.
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I agree million percent.
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That's why I was going to say if we drafted say, we got lucky and drafted Karen Lewis at 27.
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I think that he would be the perfect player to play behind CP three.
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Like how? Basically, sgh not to say Karen SDR the same place or not, but the way that g a kind of develop even more playing behind CP three.
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I think that a guy like Carol Lewis when the guard next year, without saying that would hinder us.
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I think that if we get a Fred VanVleet right, yeah, she would go to next year's driver.
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Next year's draft is mostly big men and wings, right? So there's like a dearth of actual, really good point guard, I think with Fred VanVleet, unless you get a point guard who's uber aggressive, right? I don't think Fred VanVleet is a type two.
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He's gonna be nurturing kind of.
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He's not.
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I don't think he's the guy to make the whole system better.
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Like a CP three, CP three makes a team, but he makes the point.
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The guards who play around him better, and once he drops off or retires and moves on that guards a lot better versus Fred Vanvleet, who I think is very good in this specialized role as a guard.
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I don't see him having the same impact for another Garvey bring to play alongside him so well, that's that's kind of what he said, he said.
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You haven't seen it from like he admitted that that's what made me intrigued because he said he hasn't had a chance to play the lead role in the MBA.
00:15:14
I haven't I don't really I don't really e didn't follow him in college, so I don't know what type of player he was there.
00:15:21
But it sounded like from what he said, that he was a pure point guard in college or prior to the MBA.
00:15:29
So high school college.
00:15:30
It sounded like he said he was that that lead guard.
00:15:35
He hasn't had the opportunity to do it yet, which literally makes sense.
00:15:41
He really hasn't, he said.
00:15:44
He's never been the volume shooter that, like that, wasn't his game.
00:15:49
And that's what he he had to do in the MBA.
00:15:52
So that's what makes it so intriguing to me.
00:15:55
Like granted, he could be just talking himself up, which you know players are supposed to do.
00:16:00
I'm not and I'm not basing it off of my own history, of watching him because, like I said, I didn't really watch a minute college.
00:16:08
I don't know about him in high school, but that's that's what got me.
00:16:12
Is this him saying him being this Valium shooter scorer has never been his role.
00:16:19
He's excelled at that.
00:16:21
He's but he's always been a pure point guards.
00:16:23
Now, if you have, if you've watched him in college and you know the history and he's always been I'm in the same boat, bro.
00:16:30
I don't watch him like that.
00:16:31
I'm in the same because you, But I'm just saying for the little glimpses I saw when calories up, I wasn't telling person.
00:16:37
Obviously, the Toronto Raptors have a good system.
00:16:40
Um, but again, you know, those are those are words.
00:16:42
He's trying to book that value to get traded or not trade.
00:16:44
Speaking to sign to a place where, you know, some may not would not have looked at him the same way, you know, if he didn't say that, right, I think he's just trying to build and fair to him, get your money.
00:16:54
But where the Knicks are right now, we need something.
00:16:57
If you're gonna bring in a veteran point guard.
00:16:59
We need something that is a sure bet, right? We need ah, player that we know.
00:17:03
All right? He is gonna do this.
00:17:04
This and this.
00:17:05
He impacts team this way.
00:17:07
He's gonna make these players better.
00:17:08
Because even when I look at the draft, right, I mean and he probably sees me all the time to say is you know, I like muscle because he makes his defense and offense makes the whole team better.
00:17:17
Because the Knicks for shooting, period, we do not have space and we don't have three point shooting.
00:17:21
Anything about Chris Paul is that Chris Paul comes the fact that he can get us easy baskets.
00:17:27
Now we talk about we talk about Randall getting turnovers because of bad playing, forcing the issue we talked about, Uh, your boy knocks having issues on the floor.
00:17:35
He can't when he's not shooting well, he can't really create his own shot.
00:17:38
You bringing out like CP three who understands the game on such a higher level can get it to the guy who's on a hot streak grand, a hot streak at that moment, or whatever context it is within within the game.
00:17:49
Hey, knows where the weaknesses are.
00:17:50
He knows, you know.
00:17:51
He has a panic drive into the near the foul line.
00:17:54
Kind of like we even to the foul line make that little foul shot or weight to the back door, cut and make that pass.
00:17:59
He's the type of guy gets on the high level.
00:18:01
Fred Vanvleet is a guy that he plays off of the aggressive guard and he might dribble.
00:18:05
Drive went from the wing when he has an open.
00:18:08
Or maybe his guys trying to recover defend.
00:18:10
He could like faking driver basket.
00:18:11
But most for the most part, he is a very good sharpshooter, but as a point guard for a position that we need Valley like we need a lead point.
00:18:19
We don't just need a off guard like way.
00:18:22
Had a CP three and preferably I would have any profit.
00:18:24
But we need a legit guard and paying him 80 million and then trying.
00:18:30
No, I just e no, I know what you're saying.
00:18:34
Yeah, he said all that stuff. I haven't given me the chance. Behave.
00:18:36
You haven't shown it now.
00:18:37
And you are What is he, 25? 20 z? You see these guys again we're looking at That's young, But think about they've been playing in the game since For I don't know how long.
00:18:49
I think he's been MBA for four years.
00:18:51
For five years.
00:18:52
Oh, yeah.
00:18:53
This will.
00:18:54
Yeah, Yeah, because this is his first.
00:18:56
Uh right.
00:18:59
So Right.
00:19:00
So Right, so right, right.
00:19:02
So, yeah, so it's not necessarily has been the game that long, but, you know, sometimes birds don't change their feathers, man.
00:19:09
I mean, he's gonna do what got into the show on just from this first time.
00:19:13
Still haven't burst or that, you know, you don't think he could be in a position where Where he could be telling the truth, though, Like he did what he had to do to succeed on on that team.
00:19:26
You know what? You know what I mean? But I agree before a team that morning, why? But put like this 14 that need that needed the offense and the the production from different ways outside of not acquire left, right? You saw Pascal suffered.
00:19:46
Not suffer, but kind of struggle in the playoffs.
00:19:48
Um, calorie was hurt. I believe.
00:19:51
One of one or two games I might be.
00:19:52
Well, I know he's looking out for at least one game.
00:19:54
Where? So fair that bleep not do so.
00:19:55
Well, what I'm saying.
00:19:57
He didn't let me start getting that extra element down in the playoffs like he showed.
00:20:02
He showed me even more this year.
00:20:05
Then then last year, did he show you that really keep my guard? I don't think he had that role, though.
00:20:12
Yeah, E understand.
00:20:17
I understand the question and you're singing singing to the choir as far as Chris Paul because, you know, I hired him for a long time, But I'm not looking at I'm not looking at any situation as player versus player.
00:20:35
Who's the better fit? I'm looking at the totality.
00:20:38
So I'm looking at not giving up any assets compared to whatever the asset is that we're giving up, you know? You know what I mean? So so that this is why a guy like Rondo I'm high on a swell guy is just paying is just paying them and not giving up anything.
00:20:58
You know, I agree Rondo Valley man, but, you know, take into account that you know the fact that he won a championship, so it could be like I could move on.
00:21:06
But he has been injury prone, right? I mean, he was very fortunate to play these many minutes and just here.
00:21:11
Fred VanVleet point.
00:21:12
He did show out in the playoffs.
00:21:13
He averaged 19.
00:21:14
6 points versus eight points last year.
00:21:17
Uh, this is the playoffs.
00:21:18
B shot 39.
00:21:19
1% from three off of 10 attempts a game, versus 38% from 4.
00:21:24
1 attempt last year.
00:21:26
84% from the line versus 77.4.
00:21:30
Um, yeah, that's That's mostly about 6.9 assists.
00:21:35
I believe Kyle, I was out.
00:21:37
So I remember one.
00:21:41
I'm also because I'm also looking at the fit with him and R J.
00:21:45
And I think I think that's a great like That's a great fit.
00:21:50
A B instead.
00:21:53
Because R.
00:21:54
J can't play that I don't think our desire to he's not a natural to.
00:21:56
He's more of a three.
00:21:57
I agree.
00:21:58
Long term, he's gonna be a three.
00:22:00
Um, but like right now, like the let's say we have ah, uh, band flick RJ Block.
00:22:11
Um, you know less if we don't make any changes or whatever Randall and and Mitch or I'm high on random playing small ball five in some situations.
00:22:24
I think that would.
00:22:26
I think that would help with the space in, um, depending on who were putting at the four.
00:22:32
Hopefully, it's a shooter.
00:22:34
Um, again, I just It's not the it's not the championship move or or anything like that, but I just think he fits very well like I would not be mad at it even at 20 million.
00:22:49
I don't think that's like that's I'm not going to say who, but I heard somebody say Is it because he's an undrafted player that people are so down on giving him a $20 million contract? And what they said, If a guy like call Anthony, let's say he gets drafted right on and has the same production as Fred Van Leek, and then it comes extension time, there's not gonna be a question of whether to pay him 20 million.
00:23:29
You know what I'm saying? I agree that that bias does exist.
00:23:36
I think that with people who, um, look at it more from a basketball standpoint, like a pure patterns, I I agree with you.
00:23:44
I think that when you're in draft this people were like, Why is he doing this now? Because there have been a bunch of guys that have come out of nowhere.
00:23:52
They killed in a contract year and they disappeared, right? Because it's like, you know where that it happens All the time was like You're in college.
00:24:00
You're supposed to be this. He didn't do it.
00:24:02
Then you got the MBA.
00:24:04
He didn't do it until his contract got paid and he stopped.
00:24:07
The next contract got paid, and stuff happens with even on drafted, drafted or that stuff, right? So it's not Actually, that is just like you looking and be like What? Why didn't he? Because as you get older, you don't get Mawr.
00:24:18
You know, at a point when you get older, it's not.
00:24:20
You get more athletic and stuff, you know, your body starting the actual party like you're like, Why didn't he do what? What was the issue before? Now, with Fred Vanvleet, I'll say this.
00:24:28
The issue I have with him is that I have not been able to see him do it in outside of a system where he's not the main player.
00:24:37
He's not the main guy who wrote the guy last year.
00:24:39
Obviously, when I got trace Kawai.
00:24:41
Leonard Uh, sorry.
00:24:44
Kuai past past Karsiyaka o g n a newbie Hey, Got her last emoji And then we showed up.
00:24:50
This year it's like they play with a lot of London.
00:24:53
Obviously they have a good backcourt with Fred and bleed and calorie.
00:24:56
But Fred Vanvleet would not be so reason or 50% of the reason why they did good right there.
00:25:01
Their game was defense.
00:25:03
The game was playing along.
00:25:04
Their game was getting to pass Karsiyaka quietly is such a beats on both ends of the floor.
00:25:10
You never saw Fred Vanvleet all these years like, yo, that is the reason why they're winning versus Chris Paul.
00:25:15
And I know you know, I'm not trying to compare it. I'm just giving example.
00:25:18
Ah, guy that impacts the game on the level where, like, I feel coming, giving the money the okay, so I'm gonna have a 4% chance to go to the playoffs, bro.
00:25:26
4% chance to go to playoffs.
00:25:27
And the main reason why I got there, CP three, do you Do you think that 4% chance was was an accurate number, though it may not.
00:25:36
It may not been, but when you try to CP three to God like, uh, who is this guy? Always make fun of his name or not Make fun, but door, uh, camp announced forces name.
00:25:48
But Dort, uh, you know s e a who don't even know he had a nice stay with the Clippers.
00:25:53
But you're still relatively unproven to get to the playoffs.
00:25:57
You know, guys like Gallinari is probably on his last legs, Stephen, and don't discount Gallinari like he's literally a top free agent right now.
00:26:09
Right now, I'm not sure.
00:26:10
I'm just saying that I've seen him play like he looks a little heavier and he's he kind of like because the back catching up to him like he's no longer twentysomethings older now.
00:26:21
And it's like he's not say he's done, but he's literally there's probably his last contact.
00:26:25
Whatever is up to that point, because remember, you have back issues.
00:26:28
And if you watch the playoffs, is show like he couldn't really even set up a shot properly.
00:26:32
You know, a lot of times you just kind of like lumbering like it looks like he's something, has hurt.
00:26:35
Something's not right with them or just older whatever.
00:26:38
So I might issue.
00:26:39
I'm just saying, like that team, You look at that team without Chris Paul, they're not making the playoffs right.
00:26:43
But with Chris Paul, I did.
00:26:46
And they were very close to being the Rockets, right? So, um, when I looked at Fred Friendly, I just get scared because it's like the Knicks were so bottom right in terms of talent, in terms of, uh, cornerstones in terms of vision, everything right.
00:27:00
I know people, new people coming in.
00:27:02
But there's nothing with the Knicks where it's like, all right, say where the Magic and we went to the playoffs and it's like, All right, you bring in a Fred VanVleet.
00:27:07
Okay? We may not have to depend so much of it because we have guys like Jonathan Isaacs, who's supposed to be the star.
00:27:13
You got Bruce victims through a beast download.
00:27:15
You still got Aaron Gordon, who is productive.
00:27:18
He's not the most efficient.
00:27:19
He's not a great shooter, but he's productive for what he does.
00:27:21
Yeah, I mean, there is.
00:27:22
There's a blueprint and that blueprint got them to the playoffs.
00:27:25
You had a friend, vanvleet.
00:27:27
Yeah, I mean, then it's like, Okay, now we could build off of that.
00:27:30
The Knicks we're starting from like, if you broke all your labels and literally made only put to together.
00:27:36
That's RJ, and maybe another two.
00:27:38
That's Mitch.
00:27:39
But the rest of us are scattered Legos.
00:27:41
We have no foundation.
00:27:42
So you bring a guy like President Lee? I'm trying to see How does he impact this team? If he doesn't have a Pascal? If he doesn't have the salt, if he doesn't have freaking, you're freaking Serge Ibaka last year.
00:27:52
Serge Ibaka is researching out of nowhere.
00:27:54
I don't know where this guy's coming from again.
00:27:56
You? Yeah, anybody he was playing off his mind? Yeah.
00:27:59
I mean, so he's had a lot of help.
00:28:00
And I'm just scared that you bring to the Knicks.
00:28:02
You run into a situation where he is not as effective as you saw the Toronto Raptors.
00:28:08
That z possible e definitely were not counted out as as an option.
00:28:16
I'm not dead set against it.
00:28:18
You know what I mean? Like how much? How much you wanna pay? Alright.
00:28:25
20 twenties is probably my max.
00:28:29
No, I'm saying hey comes you with 20. Obviously.
00:28:33
That that four year 80. I'll do it.
00:28:37
Maybe maybe a player option.
00:28:38
Maybe a team options somewhere in there.
00:28:41
So three years, uh, team option at the end.
00:28:44
Yeah, I would not be I wouldn't even be mad, because remember, I'm one of the guys that also doesn't feel like Randall was overpaid.
00:28:55
Uh, the same thing that happened to Randall.
00:28:58
This is what would be This is what was scared me about bam bam Fleet giving him 20 million and being the highest paid and then taking on the mentality that I'm the highest paid, I have to be the savior that I don't want.
00:29:15
I don't want him to come here thinking I gotta I gotta up my scoring again this year.
00:29:21
I want him to come here and play to his strengths and potentially like he's not a bad ball handler.
00:29:32
He you know, he could just play.
00:29:34
You play to your strength.
00:29:36
That that's the same thing I want for Randall.
00:29:38
Play to your strengths.
00:29:39
Don't try to do more than what you used to do it, you know, let the development come naturally.
00:29:46
I Randall's been a guy that improved year after year after year, except for this this past year, and his numbers were still good, like just just looking at the numbers.
00:30:00
So So we want to think about it is that we can't like.
00:30:05
That's things like when we look at the numbers, right, the numbers air there, right? And you look added just from a surface level like Oh, yeah, he was productive, like he was good.
00:30:14
But then you look at what you know how to impact the team.
00:30:16
And he plays no defense.
00:30:17
That's what I'm saying.
00:30:18
You look at a guy who might come in and he'll give you 15, 16.
00:30:23
Um, but he doesn't impact the game on any other level.
00:30:28
I mean, that's a guy that probably yes, he's not bad on the dribble, but I don't think he's a guy who's gonna be breaking down.
00:30:33
Defense's driving into the article.
00:30:35
How how are you on the guy from Washington? The bullet train? Yeah.
00:30:47
Beltran.
00:30:48
I think his name is that should be got, um I'm good on him.
00:30:58
I think that Like what? Like I think I heard that I have over for him.
00:31:08
Yeah, I think he said.
00:31:09
He's looking for something like 15.
00:31:12
I'm not sure if I give a kid like that 15, I might go the cheaper out and pick God.
00:31:18
Christian would who you complain about? The four.
00:31:22
I think he's better than five.
00:31:23
Give me a space big.
00:31:25
I'll find a way to play him, and you could probably give him, maybe say, 10 million versus Given a guy like birth Trans 15 again, I think a guy like a guy like Birches 50.
00:31:34
I don't want to run into the the port is thing where you overpaid for a guy who I think in isolation, I think that guys like Pores and Bertrand's.
00:31:45
They do better on, like contenders right where they just needed to just do one thing.
00:31:49
One or two things, I think, reports We also looked into tryto, you know, we need him to play defense.
00:31:54
He couldn't do that.
00:31:55
You got destroyed. Download a lot.
00:31:57
Hey, did do better at the end of the year, but I still think he's under kind of underwhelmed for the Knicks for Birch, and we get paid him what, 15.
00:32:05
A option on also think about.
00:32:10
Here's what I'm scared about.
00:32:11
I'm not sure you get murder trying to me.
00:32:14
E I say Bobby Portis is way better than Beltran is to me in my on man.
00:32:23
And who's to say if if Bobby shot 10 shots the game and ate it on his threes, he wouldn't have had, like, the same type.
00:32:32
Same type of production? No, no, no.
00:32:36
But also, I would say what chorus? There was just many.
00:32:43
There were just too many times where he didn't show up at his best game against his former teams, that which is in the Bulls.
00:32:48
He scored like 37 against the Bulls, and everybody's like, Oh, this is the poorest.
00:32:52
If you gave me 70% of this Portis, I'd signed you every year and they were just too many highs and lows. Reporters.
00:32:58
Right? How many times you see when you have open? Three.
00:33:00
He missed in clutch situations like How can you see him? Guys are backing him down, and his defense was ****ed.
00:33:05
Port for 6 11 guy.
00:33:06
His defense was bad.
00:33:08
Now he tried, but it was still pouring out with Bertrand again.
00:33:13
Even Bertrand's he's He was on a terrible team.
00:33:15
I mean, they did come in 10.
00:33:16
They won 25 games, I believe.
00:33:17
But you know that team they didn't have a 500 records.
00:33:22
And I agree with you. A guy like birches.
00:33:24
Alright, if you give them all these shots and make you know, does he do that? Um, the thing with him is like, I need more from you.
00:33:31
Like at least Christian Woods.
00:33:32
Can I agree? My argument was I'd rather give Van Fleet the 20 than pay a guy like Beltran.
00:33:39
You know what I'm saying? Because e morning just he's more than just a If we suck next year, right? Let's just take this out of running.
00:33:51
Do you think that they sit there and say, You play? We pay for event, leave this much money and he's Our project is you know how GM is. All right.
00:33:57
They'll stick with something, they'll stick with the project and not draft for that position again because they don't wanna I think they don't want to show that that project, maybe a failure.
00:34:05
They wanna admit that that project made a failure.
00:34:07
If you're if you're able to get a K Cunningham, right? Do you think it off of him because we have a guy like bleep? No, not at all.
00:34:19
Not with not with not without scouting and upgraded scouting and coaching staff.
00:34:25
I feel like so they're not gonna look at.
00:34:29
Oh, we just signed Van bleak.
00:34:31
Let's not break.
00:34:32
Like I said earlier, we already seen the public is fine with another next to another point guard.
00:34:39
We're very singing.
00:34:41
So it is.
00:34:42
You know what I mean? All we're doing is adding a piece that could help.
00:34:47
I really don't see any any downside to it.
00:34:51
I'm also not in one of those people that I was talking about holding holding money for free agency because I feel like we need to move like a small market team.
00:35:03
We've We've been striking out on free agents.
00:35:06
Um, I'm more leaning towards trading for someone, then then trying to just straight up someone.
00:35:16
But it has to be the right guy.
00:35:19
And I was the early one on CP three, but I'm kind of down on it now because I don't want to give up assets, you hear there's not gonna be a salary dump and those things that You look around the league like I try to look at the bucks and they would have to give up.
00:35:35
They would have to give up Middleton, uh, to make those contracts work.
00:35:38
Then you drop down Middleton.
00:35:41
There's, like, little parrots and e think Wow, Bledsoe.
00:35:48
So I think I think they could keep Middleton.
00:35:51
And I don't think they would do it giving up Middleton because you're you're getting all that and you only have this duty, honest for one, he didn't resign.
00:36:00
I don't know if he's giving any promises.
00:36:02
You know, you don't want to play that game where you load up for guys final year and he's like, uh, yeah, this is nice, but I'm gonna go over to L.
00:36:09
A or whatever played with such and such.
00:36:11
So yeah, I agree. I don't know.
00:36:13
I just don't know what's gonna have a CBD.
00:36:14
I think they try to build up his trade value because I think that me personally right.
00:36:19
I think that they know that they're stuck if they're trying to move him the okay, See, loves picks.
00:36:24
They love to fleece teams and get pics.
00:36:26
That's the m o they I think they know that there is gonna be hard to get into a contender.
00:36:30
That's why that room and came out at first, all the Knicks blah, blah.
00:36:34
This is often the tip of the Knicks at the g. M of the Thunder.
00:36:37
Like obviously you like that offer you gave It doesn't make any sense.
00:36:41
Um, but then they try to include the Lakers so they try to drum up the value.
00:36:45
But it's like how the Lakers cannot make that.
00:36:48
There's There's no way they make that trains on space from to do that.
00:36:50
And then the Clippers.
00:36:51
To who the hell the Clippers guilt.
00:36:53
They don't have any pigs.
00:36:54
Don't have anything really e And maybe throwing Lou Williams.
00:37:03
Montrose Making what? This year? 99 million.
00:37:06
Him he was making How much? E o e? Okay, Is it still going
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