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It's always great when he comes in studio and Rick on the other side of the border.
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If you're new to the show, we start off our show each and every week without a Major League Baseball beat reporter.
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And that's John Carpenter.
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Welcome, Johnny.
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How you doing? I'm doing good.
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I hope you got a good week.
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Have a good week.
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Uh, it's interesting, because on the way over here, I started thinking, you know, if the fan bases were reversed if met fans, if Yankee fans had the mentality of Met fans and met fans had the mentality of Yankee fans, how different would it be? And the reason why I kind of got me thinking about it is we have a chance, you know, it's slim, and it probably won't happen, but Jed Lowry might possibly have more home runs at the end of this season, then Jean Carlo Stanton.
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Now we all know as Met fans what, every single day we talked about it, Larry, the fact that Jean Carlo Stanton has one home run for the Yankees and the amount of money they're paying him, you don't hear anything about it.
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Additionally, the more I thought about it, the New York Mets were the last New York team to appear in a world Siris.
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Okay, but yet the Yankees are always in the hunt.
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They're always in the playoffs, but they haven't gotten to the promised land again.
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So why do you think there's such a difference in the fan base? Is, aside from the 27 championships.
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But what? No, over and above that? Why is there such a difference in the way the fan bases look at their teams? It's It's interesting because, I mean, when the Mets you look at the Mets and when they're when they're good, it seems like a comet.
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It seems like Haley's comet sometimes and and listen, The last five years have been you talk about the last five seasons.
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They've actually been pretty good three of those seasons, Uh, which is, which is where for this.
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For this franchise.
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And I think when you're talking about the money, you're talking about this specific situation.
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I think the Mets, especially early on, could really use Jed Lowry.
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And even now, when when they were down, Thio bringing up Ruben Tejada.
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A lot of people say, Well, you know, we could We could have really used Jed Lowry.
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I mean, you're talking about the difference of a game here, there.
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Where is when you're talking about the Yankees? You look at their record, they've got nothing to worry about.
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And also you look like a Jacoby Ellsbury.
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Also, they sunk a lot of money into Jacoby Ellsbury.
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And there's not a lot of talk about how Ellsbury has ruined the Yankees because you, ah, the Yankees can always cover.
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The Yankees can always make afford to make a mistake like that, make a mistake.
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Like Ellsbury, they could afford to take a hit on Stanton with the Mets.
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When, when they think a lot of money into an issue and it doesn't come to fruition, it's like, Well, that's, you know, that's it, that there's no money to cover up for that mistake.
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So s so, Yeah, I think I think there's definitely historical tendencies when it comes to how they look at each situation.
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And it's interesting because, you know, there were actually two sides the whole Jen Larry situation.
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Because if Jed Larry's healthy, I don't know if J.
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D.
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Davis gets as much playing time as he did and you know, and you saw him evolve into a very good everyday player because where if Jen Larry was here, you know, obviously he takes no time at third base for Todd Frazier.
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Probably, but where does J. D.
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Davis? B? J D.
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Davis initially was playing a little bit of third base, and his bat kept him in the lineup, which has got what moved him to the outfield.
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So if Jen Larry's healthy, you know breaking spring training is J.
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D. Davis, even on the team to start.
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I think I think he's on the team only because if you remember, Todd Frazier was so terrible to start the season, I think if Lowry had picked that particular moment to be healthy, I think Frasier might have even been gone.
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Ah, and if Lowry had started the season I think he would have gotten a lot of time at third base with Davis being a backup.
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I think I honestly think Frasier would have been the casualties because I don't think Frasier would have been a guy who they who the Mets would say, Well, he's not.
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He's not really a bench player where they could have, uh, thought that about Davis.
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Well, Davis is more of a bench player.
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We can have him as death where that I don't think they see Frasier as a depth piece.
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I mean, I think you're absolutely right.
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I think that definitely could have affected Davis.
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But I think there's also a scenario where Larry's health could have affected Frasier.
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Justus Much for sure.
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Interesting.
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If you listen to New York sports talk radio, you hear AH, constant topic of debate right now during the Mets.
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Good run is.
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Does ****ey Callaway need Metz to make the playoffs in order for him to keep his job interesting? You know, I don't know, in my opinion, if they have to make the playoffs, I think as long as they don't collapse and there is an improvement over last year and the way the team has performed for him.
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I think you you kind of have to bring him back.
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What do you think? I don't know if you have to bring him back.
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I The one thing about that is that there's always a wild card.
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There's always things we don't know about in terms of the relationship between Calloway and Brody s, so they could make the playoffs and and Calloway could still be gone.
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And there's a lot we don't know about that.
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I think it would behoove Calloway to make the playoffs if you know how ownership thinks, because I think Terry Collins would have been gone after 2015 had he not gone on that incredible run that World Series.
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I think what Collins? Two more years.
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So I think that would be difficult to fire cow away if this team, after starting 40 and 51 makes the playoffs.
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But I think it would be who've ****ey to make the playoffs if he wants.
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If he wants to guarantee survival and with Joe Girardi out there, I don't even know that guarantees and survival and listen why things happen.
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You know, beginning of spring training, we thought there's an outside shot that sets.
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But this is back after the All Star break, which would have been a big difference in this team as well.
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Um, it should be.
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And don't forget.
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Don't forget to another factor in the cowboy thing.
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If they were angry enough Jason Vargas to just give them away to the Phillies after that whole thing.
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Who knows that there still any residual thoughts that they have about ****ey because of that? Because of that incident, you know, they could be there holding on to ****ey now.
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But if there's if all things are equal, that that day might tip the scales, UH, against them, agreed.
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All right, now you take a look across town with the New York Yankees.
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Obviously, they built themselves a very nice cushion.
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These games are not critical, but that that Syria's in Oakland.
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It is that a red flag that going into the playoffs Listen, this lineup is good as it is, you know, if it runs into some good pitching could be a problem.
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However, you look on the flip side, that back end of the bullpen come playoff times could be what the Royals did to everyone in 2015.
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Oh, absolutely, I think I don't know.
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It's so much of a red flag because the A's just seemed tohave the Yankees number lately, a spending that stadium I think they were, including the Siri's.
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They just one I want to say 27 or 21 7 in Oakland, Alameda.
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So this one that that seems to be one of those things.
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And yet you're always gonna worry about that, pitching that starting pitching come playoff time, lineups and bullpen's dominate playoff talk.
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If it comes down to who has the best bullpen and who can put up the most runs off the other team? Starting pitching is because you don't you don't see.
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Even the good pictures don't really go six or seven in the playoffs.
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Oh, bullpen's play.
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A larger role, then you might think.
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And it also depends on which starting pitchers for the Yankees are gonna move into the bullpen.
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So I think it's a small red flag, but not not a huge one.
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So here's the bigger question.
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The New York Yankees, in a World Siris appearance this year, is a season of failure.
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I think the way Let's go back to what you were talking about.
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How Yankee fans thinking how many fans think? I do think for the Yankees it's World Series of us, especially after they came so close last year against Houston.
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And now they see Houston make a big deadline acquisition with Greinke, and the Yankees really didn't do anything to bolster their starting pitching.
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I think Yankee Fence will have that in the back of their mind.
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So if they don't make the world Siris, yes, I think it will be considered a failure.
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One other local no news of local note.
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Matt Harvey is now working, and I believe with the Oakland A's in the minor leagues, any shot, That man Harvey makes it back to the majors this year.
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And in your opinion, do you think that Matt Harvey, at one point somewhere down the road, could be either a serviceable starter or an interesting piece out of the bullpen? I think he I think if he comes back, it'll be as a serviceable starter.
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You know, Matt's gotta buy in and I think this this run with the Angels and this being sent to the minors for Oakland, I think it's a humbling experience for him.
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So I with that I think he's gonna have to want to make that change.
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I think it might be what he has to do to survive, but I don't know if Harvey can physically do it out of the bullpen.
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I think he's so ingrained in being a starter.
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I think if we see him this year, it'll be as a starter.
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If we see it next year, I think he will have thought to change his approach so he could survive.
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Should be interesting.
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It's always interesting surrounding the dark night, Johnny.
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We appreciate it.
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We'll speak to you in two weeks.
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We're off for the holiday weekend next week.
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So John Carpenter heard here each and every week over 5 40 AM Sports Talk New York.
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And some really, you know, treasures, audio treasures that have not been heard from 50 60 years.
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You're gonna hear him over our airwaves, so keep it tuned right here.
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A W and welcome back with 5 40 AM Sports Talk NEW YORK Mark Roseman solo today, but we do have a special institute gets.
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It's also pretty cool if you're watching on the SportsCastr wrapped this morning.
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It was like 78 70 71 degrees in the morning when I went out walking my dogs.
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And that first like seventies towards the end of summer is like the day I'm I'm so psyched because I get to put on a hockey jersey.
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You know, I haven't worn it all summer.
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I mean, I do wear him here, but they was like, all day hockey jersey.
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It was very cool.
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So, you know, interesting day here in New York.
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Nice, beautiful weekend.
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Joining Us Now again Live in Studio Tonight is the founder and owner of Archival Television Audio Inc.
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Which is a matchless archive and commercial library accredited by the Guinness Book of World Records, containing thousands of unequalled audio air check soundtracks representing the only broadcast record of original television programs televising the fifties sixties and seventies that direct line, high quality, quarter inch master reel to reel TV audio soundtracks were originally recorded off the air at the same time.
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These original broadcast took place decades later.
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It's been a little bit of a while, but I'm so happy to be back, and we're thrilled to have you.
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So if you've never heard Phil on our show, um, or one of the many other shows he appears on, you're in for a treat.
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As we mentioned in the Open, his collection of audio is unmatched.
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So before we get into the clips that he's collected for us tonight for those in the audience hearing and seeing you for the first time, tell him how you got started with the collection, which, and it's hard for people out there to fathom this predates the DVR, VCR, Beta max, even the consider.
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So tell us how you got into it and how you got started a long, long time ago when the only way you could preserve a television program was toe audio.
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Take it easy.
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That was the motivation for May.
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I would look at the TV guide I would pick and choose what I would want to tape.
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Of course, I know that I would probably not process 80% of what I was watching.
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Ah, week later.
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But I had the audio and I could listen to it a year later if I wanted to.
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That was my primary motivation.
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And, um, I, uh I had this wonderful gift from my parents in the late fifties and it began taping my TV and that that wonderful gift was a reel to reel quarter inch to Rhea Web core stereophonic tape recorder was it was just a wonderful instrument.
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Hooked it up to the back of the TV.
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You were not supposed to take them back in T v o Lord be electrocuted.
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They also didn't say punishable by Laura, and it had a sign.
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I understand you look out the window before you do this.
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You're killing took alligator clips and I take them onto the speaker wire leads.
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And then I went with a phone plug into the input of the web corn direct line sound.
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And some of the sound will be here in the night is over 60 years old, and you could swear it was something you might have heard yesterday.
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So do you still have that deck? You? It's in that storage area.
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I have not seen it for a number of years, and hopefully it's not like the Titanic.
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But it still works, right? No, it has not been working for decades.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So the first clip we're gonna play tonight comes from April 30th 1960 NBC broadcast called Baseball's Changing Profile is a rare interview with Ty Cobb, which is so cool.
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So, first off was this one of the shows you tape as a young man, or is that something you came across later? No.
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No, I did not come across this.
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I taped this particular program equal.
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30th 1960.
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Frank McGee.
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There was a show called The World Wide World 60.
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Most of the shows were political oriented, but there was this one show that had to do with baseball, and I jumped on it.
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And I'm so glad I did, because we're gonna be hearing a little clip of the only time Ty Cobb ever did a sit down interview that one could dig out of Ah, some kind of research pool.
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whether it be radio war television.
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All right, Rick.
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So play the Ty Cobb click.
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Uh, naturally, uh, I saw a base pair.
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I broke into the American League and flowed for some 20 four.
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And with such great players like you were in college and Jackson Manspeaker, goodness knows how many more.
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Great. Claire. Truth.
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Uh, I think we played during that era.
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The best baseball.
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Uh, that has been praised.
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You don't think they're players of that sort on the scene today? I do not.
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I want to make comparisons.
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I certainly do not think that whitener could be a lit match in all probability.
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Speaker Collins.
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Uh huh.
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And sellers of that striped ones that don't have him anymore.
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Uh, if the in practice mint off the slide of the ball that destroys the value of the one run well is, uh it's supposed to be played within the confines of a men's souls.
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Feel alone, Decker.
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He was called Holborn Decker in our dreams with a dead ball.
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And the world runs you ever made was 12.
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You have a nice sister thing today.
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Most any little fellow can come along and dumped 12 over the fences into the stand.
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Don't you see? The value are the home run is I say I say it down 59 years ago.
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That could be a player from the seventies or eighties talking today.
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So amazing.
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And not only that.
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I mean, you gotta love the fact.
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I mean, they did this at his home in his backyard.
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And your audio is so clear that the audio back then was you hear the birds chirping in the background while Ty Cobb is talking.
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But But what a statement.
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Homerun.
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Baker was called home run Baker in my day and he hit 12 run, 12 home runs.
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Any little guy today can bump 12 over the fence is what he was saying back in 1960.
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And now it's more than ever now, right? And this is coming from someone.
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It's mind boggling.
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Well, seasons where he, uh, was batting crown. Unbelievable.
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I don't think I've ever heard I speak and you saw the movie Cobb with Tommy Lee Jones and and you.
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I got a full, different mindset, but just the way he spoke of audience and, you know, it was very well spoken.
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That's not the way he came across in the movie.
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So think of him is a very, very cold stuff.
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All right, so our next clip is pretty cool.
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Visit includes the Onley known opening of a New York Giants TV broadcast and from the New York Giants Last Home Games.
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Last home game.
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And it ends with Willie Mays stepping off the home plate and you can hear the audience reaction the stadium as Willie walks up to the plate for the last time in this bunker.
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I guess all closing days of the baseball season putting sadly, hits one doubly.
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So for reasons that we do not have to go into what we're gonna have the starting lineup Julian bowling.
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He's got one today that brings back, not challenged you because I was trying to put everybody can only 1954 World Championship Club have lined up for you in just a moment.
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First out, it probably will be Johnny Powers makes the catch, and this will probably be the last time we'll wait.
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It's got a standing ovation.
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Everybody in the ballpark of prison get laid a New York along a couple of things.
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First of all, I'm not a smoker, and I don't even know if they're around anymore.
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But I always thought it was called Pall Mall.
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The way they pronounce it was totally different, which was interesting, But you mentioned that this is the only known open of a New York Giants no television broadcast.
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How do you go about researching that to find out and authenticate the fact that it is the only known birds? Let's qualify by saying it's the only known as faras my own research and other people's research and what is out there in the collecting world and in the archive world.
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I mean, even if if you scour the library, Congress or Paley Center, you see a way with people who have other fairly composite collections.
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Not gonna find an opening of a New York giant television baseball game.
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Russ Hodges, Jim Woods.
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The opening, you know, with Knickerbocker Presents.
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I mean, it's mind boggling that no one even audio recorded a game like that with this one exception.
00:25:52
This I did not record.
00:25:54
This was found through a the wife of a dentist who passed the way you got in touch with me and Jersey, and most of his material is not of interest to me.
00:26:06
But he takes this one particular moment, and it's fantastic.
00:26:11
And, um, you know, just hearing the banging on the stadium sidewalls, right? I mean, it's just so much of a memory that and, you know, Willie is still alive today, and, uh, what a Nikon.
00:26:26
Unbelievable.
00:26:27
So here's another New York last.
00:26:29
But where is Giant? Fans knew it was their last game.
00:26:33
When Vin Scully is doing that game, he the inkling he had an inkling that it was going to be the last, but it was not official.
00:26:41
So this is from October 8th 1957.
00:26:43
It also includes a clip of the evening news that night.
00:26:46
This was the Brooklyn Dodgers last game at Ebbets Field.
00:26:49
Andi, it's, uh, the end of our year with gone round your way and that That way we want to go into a big, long thing here just to let you know that we really enjoyed working for you or the alarm.
00:27:13
We hope we brought you some enjoyment.
00:27:15
Imagine sometimes other.
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We've got little man.
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Now you'd like to remind everybody that this final game day was not to them like every game, the 1957 5 of them Shiver Brewing Company in Brooklyn Bunny Birds of shape.
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A bit of all hope, that's a part of bringing the baseball games for the folks this year.
00:27:40
The member of America's oldest lock up there.
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It's real.
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They're lucky.
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Tasting sick of you ever made by the American Tobacco company of Tobacco is our middle name.
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Of course, a lot of fine folks American tobacco Company, real places that need to be with you and I'll and all the doctors all during the 1957 season.
00:28:04
I swell sponsors shaper been lucky strike and all the guys here in the booth, Laddie Alan Law, happy what's been fired associating with these very, very wonderful Brooklyn Dodger fans away.
00:28:17
That's right.
00:28:18
Indeed, we wantto certainly say hello to our dodging network, which was really spreading its wings this year for the first time, as well as all our friends in New York and all of us here in the booth hope we'll be talking to you in 1958 57.
00:28:33
As far as the baseball season is concerned in our own personal little duties with the ball club just about down the drain for the last time, we'll be saying goodbye and good luck and we'll see you take care of yourself.
00:28:50
The Brooklyn is mourning its beloved bums tonight, the departure of the Dodgers occurring this afternoon with the official announcement that the club is moving its franchise to Los Angeles.
00:29:00
The announcement came not from Dodger President Walter O'Malley, but from Arthur Patterson.
00:29:06
It's interesting because that's 1957 and if you, our baseball fan that could have been two years ago.
00:29:15
Vin Scully's voice has not changed over the decades, and it's so cool to hear him so early in his career, the last Brooklyn Dodger game that that was a very good woman there, eight years already, right that point, right? So how did you come across that one? Is that one that you recorded? No, I did not record that one.
00:29:33
And that is such a precious piece of nostalgia.
00:29:36
I get a kick out of the fact that Vin Scully says at the end, that hopes to be in seeing you in the booth in 1958.
00:29:47
Now we know he did it.
00:29:48
He knew that Ron Cochran, CBS.
00:29:52
Uh uh.
00:29:53
Early evening news report was 10 days later on and official, but they knew.
00:30:00
And I have a feeling that he was cold.
00:30:03
Don't you dare say? Especially since O'Malley wasn't the person to make that.
00:30:07
You make the announcement, he snuck out, but so cool as well.
00:30:12
Hearing been back then, our next clip also celebrates another last.
00:30:17
This one was the last home run hit by Roger Maris in 1961.
00:30:21
And then a little bit of him on the Red Barber postgame show from, um, October 1st 1961.
00:30:28
Goodness.
00:30:29
What Goodness.
00:30:30
What very special.
00:30:31
Goodman in the big G.
00:30:34
General Mills.
00:30:38
Well, friends.
00:30:39
Our postgame guest for today, Johnny Sain.
00:30:41
And he's here.
00:30:42
But ah, young man is also I gotten himself on the show, and then he sits there, and I'm sitting there relaxed and, uh and of course, you know that he had done something that no ballplayers ever done.
00:30:55
61 home runs, you know, kind of season sitting with him and his manager.
00:30:59
And we're looking forward to having a little chat in a moment on in letting Roger I see home run number 61 that he had.
00:31:07
All right there. That is very wonderful.
00:31:09
You could see the reaction of your teammates trainer on the crowd is just wild.
00:31:15
And of course, you're gonna come out.
00:31:16
Uh, everyone thought that you, uh you had a deal.
00:31:20
How very, very simply, And just perfectly.
00:31:24
And it, uh if you notice here that once I get out, I start to go back in that keep pushing me out.
00:31:30
They didn't want Let me Oh, nobody ever gets 61 before.
00:31:38
Couple interesting things.
00:31:39
They're so first of all, Roger Maris just broke Babe Ruth's record.
00:31:44
You would think that he would be the only guest, But the first guy he introduces, Johnny Sain, which is boggled my mind there.
00:31:51
Um, it's also interesting Is that If you search the Internet and YouTube, you'll see the home run.
00:31:58
But nothing like this exists.
00:32:00
So as you started your collection, how did you determine what you were going to keep? Obviously, back in the day, you know, you didn't have an unlimited budget.
00:32:09
So you had these reel to reel tapes, and I'm assuming, just like some of the TV stations, you had to make a determination.
00:32:15
I don't want to keep this.
00:32:16
I'm gonna tape over this.
00:32:17
Is there something that you taped over that you now regret that you wish you had? And how did you determine what you would tape over what you keep? I never taped over anything.
00:32:27
I was really, really Ah, very black type of guy.
00:32:30
Last 58 years ago, I did record this.
00:32:33
And my dear father, he literally, you know, he went out of his way.
00:32:37
It was a Sunday.
00:32:38
Ah usually would drive me back to farming deal I went to with State University of Farm.
00:32:43
We deal with that Onda.
00:32:44
He waited and then I you know, this was going to be the game potentially for that 61st home run.
00:32:50
I certainly wanted to get the postgame show with Red Baba.
00:32:54
And, uh, this is, you know, totally peerless.
00:32:57
No one has this.
00:32:59
It's never been played before until tonight.
00:33:01
Any segment of it.
00:33:02
And I love the fact that he looks at a replay.
00:33:06
This was very early in the game to see videotape replay.
00:33:09
And I agree.
00:33:10
Johnny saying Is there, uh you know? I mean, you would think Yeah.
00:33:14
Yeah, he buried the lead.
00:33:16
It's mind boggling.
00:33:18
Right? And another thing very quickly.
00:33:21
It was so ready to take about by the curtain call.
00:33:24
This was Ah, rare curtain.
00:33:26
Cool people today, you take, you take a curtain.
00:33:29
Cool for almost everything, then.
00:33:32
That was a rare moment where Roger Maris, even if the 61 gets pushed out of the dugout.
00:33:38
So let me go back to the facts.
00:33:39
So you never take over anything.
00:33:42
So how old were you when you started doing this? I started taping when I was around 15 16 years old.
00:33:50
Okay, so what did a reel to reel tape cost $5 I give a lot of my love to my mom.
00:33:57
My mom who used to give me five bucks to run down to the corner to buy a 24 100 foot Irish quarter inch reel to reel tape.
00:34:05
You It gave May 2 hours on one side and two hours on the other.
00:34:10
It was mono, so I had four hours per reel.
00:34:13
Five bucks.
00:34:14
So that's why you would sit with the TV guide and map out what? You Absolutely.
00:34:19
I mean, I just wouldn't indiscriminately just I mean, today, with digital technology, you put a card in you, you're running forever.
00:34:27
Everything is recorded today.
00:34:29
Then you were very, very, uh uh, you know, decisive in terms of when you were gonna record anything, whether it be a rodeo war picture, more film.
00:34:39
Well, here's another question.
00:34:40
So let's say that particular game happened when you were not home.
00:34:45
Did you leave special instructions for your parents? There were times where I had my parents record from Yes.
00:34:52
So you would set it all up and you tell them Well, I would ask my dad, you know, could you record the fact that Mazeroski home run I was in Farmingdale? I was a college and I had my father take that. Now it's ubiquitous.
00:35:04
It's out.
00:35:05
There was the time where that was pretty red even have the TV audio.
00:35:09
That's so your dad was the first like that.
00:35:12
That she was the first TV are you could set your dad.
00:35:17
All right, so, um, let's see.
00:35:20
So we moved from ah, last to a first.
00:35:23
This comes from one of my favorite old TV shows, which is interesting because they have this current wave of bringing back all these old TV shows is that $10,000 pyramid, which is back the match game.
00:35:33
And to tell the truth, I'm sure very shortly this this program will probably make a comeback.
00:35:39
So this is from actually, I think they you know what? I stand corrected.
00:35:43
I think they do.
00:35:44
There is a version of what's my line, right? That that Ah, heirs.
00:35:48
Now I think there is.
00:35:49
It's what? Stand up guys who do improv, right? It's not the actual game show, but I think they should bring this back.
00:35:56
Um, so this is from Oh, no, actually, I'm running.
00:36:01
This is from to tell the truth, right? No, this is from what's my line I brought back.
00:36:07
What's my line is One of my justice was on Lee after the fourth Mets game, five days after the first Met game ever.
00:36:14
Which is interesting, the first voice you're going to hear, which is also interesting because I don't know what he was doing in 1962.
00:36:21
For me.
00:36:22
He's from the Odd Couple, which was many years later.
00:36:25
So the first voice you're gonna hear, I know it was on Broadway, but the first voice you're gonna hear is that of Tony Randall.
00:36:30
So this is Casey Stengel at the end of the mystery guest and then a little bit of Casey from What's my line, Mr Randall? Well, I'll have to go the obvious route and ask if you're connected with the Mets.
00:36:45
Yes.
00:36:46
Are you Casey Stengel? Theo, now as one of the new fans that Casey has played such a large part in creating in the Mets? I'm not at all downhearted, sir, and I think that you were a towering giant in the sports field, and I think the Mets are going to go on and write their name Large sports history after one.
00:37:19
You've just at a little time to get started and you've got a long, hard jobs.
00:37:23
You've said yourself so many times.
00:37:24
We don't get this heart yesterday, Mr Stengel, that I don't know too much about baseball.
00:37:29
In fact, I'm pretty dumb about it.
00:37:31
But I do know about New Yorkers, and I think we needed an underdog team for a long time.
00:37:37
And the same people who were rooting for the Dodgers and a lot who rooted for Mr Stengel in the past.
00:37:42
They're gonna be out screaming their heads off for him and for the Mets.
00:37:46
Theo.
00:37:52
Why? I knew it was gonna be Casey.
00:37:55
I've been begging him.
00:37:56
We probably publishing case.
00:37:58
He's brought Casey at the bat.
00:37:59
I've been begging him to come on this show for months.
00:38:02
And finally, with the assistance, the very valuable assistance of his lovely wife Edna.
00:38:07
We talked him into coming tonight.
00:38:09
We're mighty glad to have you, Casey.
00:38:11
Well, there's so many splendid people in next person.
00:38:14
No, I didn't think that I could qualify to ever appear on the show.
00:38:18
Okay.
00:38:19
You qualified to appear on this show a long, long time ago that nine pennants in 12 years that qualifies you for 55 appearances on what's my life way.
00:38:28
Take Alexey case.
00:38:29
He doesn't like to get on television, and we're verticality finally broke down and decided to join us.
00:38:34
I talked to ensure that, uh, find the gaming business.
00:38:37
It just never do it.
00:38:39
What do they say? In case you what What you gonna do about the Mets if you got some plans, right? No, it's a little snowy today way.
00:38:49
We're not used to playing in the snow in the first game, that brain, and we're not used to playing in the rain.
00:38:58
Typical Casey Stengel right there if you're watching the Met game.
00:39:00
So it actually showed a commercial with Casey for life cereal.
00:39:04
So I just ah, great ambassador for the game.
00:39:06
And it was just so cool hearing that, um and what also was interesting is the sound of that game show in the audience reaction.
00:39:15
And and that's not, you know? Ah, clap track.
00:39:18
That was live television.
00:39:20
And that was a crowd, right? I'm and enthusiastic here in case he talks.
00:39:25
That was very cool.
00:39:26
A slight correction market. I apologize.
00:39:29
Who's what's My line wasn't revived.
00:39:31
It's a different show with a similar sound.
00:39:33
Whose line is it anyway? Exactly.
00:39:35
All right.
00:39:36
No problem.
00:39:37
It's a look at Rick correcting himself.
00:39:39
Auto. Correct.
00:39:40
All right, so our, um, our next clip is one of those full circle moments.
00:39:45
It's from Howard Cosell, September 11 1963 and an interview with former Brooklyn Dodger.
00:39:51
Then New York met Duke Snider.
00:39:53
All these years later, Howard's grandson is affiliated with the Met.
00:39:57
Sees the P A announcer.
00:39:58
So here's Howard with the Duke of Flatbush.
00:40:01
Great moments for you were, of course, in Brooklyn, definitely those with the girl in years of my career.
00:40:07
It was a great ball park to hit in.
00:40:09
I was very fortunate to be with a great bunch of fellows, and a great bunch of ballplayers were not only I had a good offense if team we had a great defensive team, great pictures, and you put it all together and you have, Ah, just a fabulous ball club and a great bunch of guys.
00:40:27
The memories are abundant, of course, but this is an appropriate woman for the cliche questions.
00:40:33
Do much.
00:40:34
If you were hard put to it was the best team on which you ever played well.
00:40:38
I would have to say, however, that the 1951 and 52 ball clubs were the greatest teams that I ever played on.
00:40:45
Of course, we won the world championship in 55 that you had Campanella catching Guillot first base Jackets second, peewee assured, and Billy Cox had learned in the outfield.
00:40:58
We had three center fielders, Andy Path Girl myself and Carl Furillo.
00:41:02
It was an extraordinary ball club.
00:41:05
So much heart.
00:41:06
Brooke Break connected with it, though.
00:41:08
Duke does a man all these years later still remember what happened in 51.
00:41:13
Abrams was thrown out at home the final game.
00:41:16
What happened in 51 when Bobby at the homer against Ralph? But I would actually have to say this salad that, in my own opinion that when you're in very spot for 20 years, like I have been, why you're going to have your bad years and you're very sorrowful years where you lose dependent on the last day of the season are in the playoffs.
00:41:37
But I would have to say that the good things overcome the bad things, and you have to accept, not like them.
00:41:44
But you have to accept some of the better defeats that we did have end of course, coming to New York knowing you were coming to 1/9 or 10th place club.
00:41:53
It was still a great experience in a lot of pleasure.
00:41:57
Wasn't I would have to say It's It's been a fabulous experience for me the way I was received in the So do you when I did come back opening day in the ovation that I got and the and the way that the Met fans and the New York fans have received myself a CZ Wells, the Met Ball Club this year has been fabulous, and I would like to think each and every one of them for being so nice to me and the Mets because it's been a struggle.
00:42:21
The case.
00:42:22
He's done a good job.
00:42:24
He tries to, uh, win every game.
00:42:27
He wants to win every game, but sometimes he doesn't have a Blanchard or somebody else sitting over on the bench to send up to get that base hit for him.
00:42:34
But he's been great to be with the New York people have been fabulous to be with this year and I just want to thank each and every one of us.
00:42:42
Our next two clips come one week later as the Mets play their final game at the Polo Ground.
00:42:47
So here's the last out done by Bob Murphy, and then Bob's not so happy.
00:42:51
Recap stirring up here on the last half of the ninth inning, Runners on first and 2nd 1 man out and kept Schreiber will come on to hit for Larry Bernard Rodkin.
00:43:10
Eel is on second and on first base.
00:43:13
Chico Fernandez one out of the last of the ninth inning, 5 to 1 Philadelphia ground ball to second over the second for one on the first double play in the ball game, and the home season is over.
00:43:36
The home season is over for Casey Stengel in the New York Mets last Mets game in the last National League game ever to be played in the Polo Grounds.
00:43:46
And as the crowd slowly files toward the exits in the background, the playing of old anxiety, fittingly enough, Casey Stengel will be round our special guest on Kinder S****er.
00:43:57
Coming up in just a couple of moments.
00:43:59
The New York Mets in 68 home dates and polo grounds true 1,080,104 157,550 50 74 fans Maur that attended home games of the New York Mets last year.
00:44:18
The entire New York Mets organization wants to express their sincere thanks and appreciation, the wonderful loyalty for the enthusiasm for the ingenuity shown all year long by the fans of the New York Mets.
00:44:32
From the very beginning, they started bringing The banner is doing everything they possibly could help the mess in every way that they could.
00:44:38
They had a lot of fun, and they made it a lot more enjoyable for everyone concerned in today s game of Philadelphia.
00:44:45
Five runs, eight hits, no errors and four left.
00:44:48
New York one run, nine hits, two errors and eight left.
00:44:51
Chris Short going all the way to win his eighth of the year against 11 losses.
00:44:55
The loser was Craig Anderson and Casey had four pitchers in the game about a n van are the last to both work.
00:45:02
Two perfect innings in relief.
00:45:04
No game tomorrow for New York will be in San Francisco Friday night.
00:45:08
We will be televising the game Friday night from Candlestick Park.
00:45:12
We'll be on with the telecast at 11:15 p.m.
00:45:15
New York Time.
00:45:16
The pitcher for New York on Friday night against Willie Mays and company will be right hander Carl Willie.
00:45:23
So that's the story into the home season for the New York Mets in the Polo Grounds.
00:45:28
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00:45:35
All right, So a couple of things when you listen back to those clips, whether it be the way Howard Cosell phrased a question the way Duke Snider answered the question or the way that Bob Murphy closed out a game bag, then what's the first thing that comes to your mind when you compare it to the broadcasters of today? Very classy.
00:45:52
And, um, I got to say, Just listening.
00:45:55
It seems like yesterday It seems like that was just on yesterday with Bob Murphy.
00:46:00
Um, and what I'm really grateful about is that my calling was, for whatever reason, to ah, record history.
00:46:08
Based on these television broadcast.
00:46:10
There are others who have taped radio for a kiss, but not television, and you had different announces and different kinds of programming.
00:46:18
This is a very good example, um, to listen to Ah, Howard Cosell interview Duke Snider.
00:46:25
I mean, that would be gone forever if I didn't record.
00:46:28
Ah, the ABC News.
00:46:30
He had a sports show every day and I don't like up from 6 30 to 7.
00:46:34
You had the local news, and it's just really, you know, um, wonderful to be ableto listen again, because I'm sure there are very few people who ever remember that program right.
00:46:46
So enclosing.
00:46:48
I know when I did my kindness corner book, I reached out to you when you were a very valuable resource, as you had a few of the episodes of Kinds Corner in an average week.
00:46:56
How many people reach out to you to try and find the clip on a specific topic, whether it be for writing a book or even for use in a movie? How often are you contacted? And what is your filing system like to be ableto find something that someone is looking for? Um, I do get requests from television do***entary produces Florentine, then burns unable to transact with them.
00:47:23
Um, there are motion pictures who will use the tracks, um, in the background, and you know we'll have someone watching the TV game with something or a television program.
00:47:35
They'll use the tracks there so many different ways that this could be used for authors such as you.
00:47:43
You know, you had material that you would never get anywhere else, and you had forbade him right off the soundtrack.
00:47:49
The actual interview Is there something in your collection that is your absolute favorite clip? Something that whether it be because of the way in the time you recorded it, that brings you back to that moment or just because of you got something you didn't expect to get? Well, um, I will stay with, um, May 1st 1960 Channel 13 before was PBS and Jackie Robinson recites the Gettysburg Address to his wife and his Children.
00:48:20
I mean, that is mind boggling to May, and I received a wonderful letter from Rachel Number of years ago, and the beauty of it is that she did not remember doing the show.
00:48:32
And we played that the way it is in the Jackie Robinson.
00:48:38
Unbelievable, Phil, we love it, and I know every so often I'll send you a message on Facebook like, let's do another theme and you put together a great set of clips tonight for those who are interested in maybe just for themselves, getting some of these audio for their collection.
00:48:54
Where can they find out more about your collection of the website is www dot a tv audio dot com.
00:49:02
One can always call me.
00:49:04
I, uh I solicit that people who are looking for a particular broadcast for people who just want to talk about full time television.
00:49:12
5166565677 and, um, I welcome anyone who has other material that is not in our collection, and we continue to add to the website.
00:49:28
The website now um has about 60% of 40% additional titles that are in the collection that are not posted.
00:49:39
Absolutely.
00:49:40
I love it every time you come in.
00:49:41
Thanks so much for coming in tonight.
00:49:43
We really appreciate it.
00:49:44
Well, it's been my pleasure, and I hope one day that I can pass this along even to my grandson Caden.
00:49:50
You never know.
00:49:51
This collection will have to live somewhere else at a certain point, and I look forward to it being kept alive.
00:49:57
Awesome.
00:49:58
Phil Greiss, founder and owner of Archival Television Audio Inc.
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I don't know that many other radio shows where you're going to hear that Duke Snider stuff that has not been heard for over 50 years.
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And things don't always turn out that way.
00:52:35
Walk us through.
00:52:37
You know, the expectation that the Colt fans had with Andrew Luck and how it ended with him being booed off of a field? Yeah, pretty strange.
00:52:46
Kind of a series of events here hurt.
00:52:48
He's the last couple of years.
00:52:50
Not many franchises are as lucky as the culture you go from Peyton Manning in the late nineties.
00:52:55
There all the way up to Andrew Luck on then this whole thing.
00:52:59
It's been a rough couple of years from, you know, dealing with shoulder injury and 2015 and 2016.
00:53:05
Then he missed all of 2017 on, then with the unbelievable season he had last year, comeback player of the year.
00:53:11
You just feel for a guy, man This is a guy that really had it all.
00:53:15
I mean, that was in the NFL.
00:53:16
You go.
00:53:17
Sistan forgets his degree in my mind.
00:53:20
And I'm sure a lot of other people out there one of the most surefire can't miss prospects in the history of the NFL draft.
00:53:27
And you say, I love when he was being drafted, people compared in the, you know, John Elway.
00:53:31
And he he really did.
00:53:32
I mean, when he was healthy, really did live up to the bill and for Indianapolis Colts team.
00:53:37
We really didn't do a great job of putting an offensive line in front of him and told the last couple of years when they really fortified it with a guy like Quentin else really being the anchor there, even a various.
00:53:48
Leonard was fantastic for them last year.
00:53:51
A rookie that nobody really saw that coming in.
00:53:54
Yeah, you're right, man.
00:53:55
It puts things in perspective for a guy that age in the whole world in front of them and, you know, it still could be a Hall of Famer.
00:54:02
But my gosh, man, you really take a step back and you think we care about sports.
00:54:07
I know you do, Marc.
00:54:08
We love it so much.
00:54:09
It encompasses our whole life.
00:54:11
But if a guy like this guy that was complaining about every nick and bruise that he had This is the hard working dude.
00:54:17
You always see how nice of the other other guys on the other team.
00:54:21
And to see him make that announcement yesterday.
00:54:23
And you hear the boos? Yes.
00:54:26
It was rough.
00:54:27
It was rough to hear.
00:54:28
I even had Colt fans on my Facebook saying that they felt that he let them down.
00:54:31
He doesn't know anybody anything.
00:54:33
Uh, he needs to be happy.
00:54:35
This is the decision he made outside of football.
00:54:37
He wants to live a happy life, and I think he's earned that right.
00:54:41
It's interesting because it also kind of puts it the levee in Belle situation in perspective.
00:54:45
Because no, let me on Set out.
00:54:47
He wants to get paid, because you know what you are one hit away from, you know, ending your career.
00:54:52
You take a look at what luck has gone through in to try and get back, and it just didn't work out for him.
00:54:57
But even look at what happened to Bo Jackson's career.
00:55:00
I mean, it's a tough sport that could end at any moment.
00:55:03
And when you see this guy who was the franchise quarterback, you know, we felt that he was gonna be around forever and you know his it was like a comet.
00:55:12
It's gone already, and it just it's hard to believe.
00:55:15
And especially when we see some of these quarterbacks that are playing into the forties there late, they're using the Brady's in the breach and Eli and Big Band and all those guys think man quarterback now I wouldn't be surprised if Brady's playing when he's 45.
00:55:29
It's creating one of the one of the most one of the really tweets that stuck with me was Keith Bulluck, long time middle linebacker for the Titans, played many games against the Colts and says they cannot sell.
00:55:40
Man, you got to get out in 10 and when you are out, really, you know, really look after their guys that much has seen so many for the last time For the last couple of years, we've seen that with all the lost just going with the guys kind of dealing with CG issue so more power to him.
00:55:57
I thought it took a lot of courage for him to be able to do what he did last night After the announcement was made, everybody was saying, Oh, here comes the press conference on Sunday and I think Andrew Luck was like, Hey, let's just we got to get out in front of this thing as much as we can because everybody already knows.
00:56:12
So let's talk to everybody and kind of give his side of the story.
00:56:15
It's a sad day in the NFL, but any good for Andrew Love, it was a tough decision, but he's got to do it's best for him, and he deserves it.
00:56:22
It's also interesting if you watch the jet game, you see who's battling for the backup role for the New Orleans Saints, a guy who was also with the Jets but another guy who's injury, a guy who your trajectory thought was gonna be a much higher.
00:56:33
And where is his career Now? He's battling for a backup job in that's Teddy Bridgewater.
00:56:37
So you're right.
00:56:38
It could turn in a dime.
00:56:40
J.
00:56:41
We look forward to covering the entire football season with you.
00:56:44
We can't wait to the season.
00:56:45
Get start.
00:56:46
We're not here next week for the holiday, but the following week it starts for real and you'll break it down each and every week for us.
00:56:51
And we really appreciate it.
00:56:53
Sounds good, Mark. Thanks for having me, buddy. You got it.
00:56:55
Jay.
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01:01:56
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We're trying to get in touch with Bobby Vee.
01:02:11
Um I think he Rikers get him now.
01:02:18
All right, so, yeah, we're gonna get him now.
01:02:24
Now is a man who is considered by many the greatest all around athlete in Connecticut history.
01:02:28
He was an all state player in football, baseball and track and field in high school and is the only three time all state football player in Connecticut history.
01:02:37
Los Angeles Dodgers drafted him number five overall in the 1968 major league draft.
01:02:41
He would go on to play 10 years for Dodgers California Angels New York Mets in Seattle Mariners and manage another 16 with the Texas Rangers New York Mets, which included a trip to the World Series and the Boston Red Sox.
01:02:53
He is currently the athletic director at Sacred Heart University.
01:02:56
It is always a pleasure to welcome the man known affectionately as Bobby B.
01:03:00
Bobby Valentine's 5 40 AM Sports Talk New York.
01:03:02
Welcome, Bobby.
01:03:05
Okay, Thank you.
01:03:06
In a wonderful instruction.
01:03:07
I appreciate that.
01:03:08
Uh, there was a little gap in their seven years.
01:03:12
Managed to leave that out.
01:03:15
It really sounds good to be with you.
01:03:19
Yeah, I'm talking about a great guy, Harry, that he's gone.
01:03:23
But Lowy Absolutely.
01:03:25
And I really appreciate you taking the time out of your busy schedule to join us? To talk about the passing this past week of an original Met as well as a longtime instructor, Al Jackson.
01:03:35
Ah, those who had the opportunity to meet him know what a special man he was.
01:03:38
An indication of that is that in the 2018 Mets media guide, it states no one exemplifies the Mets organization Maur than Al Jackson.
01:03:47
When was the first time you met Alan? What was your first impression of him? Well, uh, you know, I really don't remember the first time you met.
01:03:55
Um, I'm sorry about that, but, uh, I know that it was the last thing.
01:04:00
An impression.
01:04:01
Every time I was with out of his caring mile, he was here is the guy who who was there for you.
01:04:10
He would love to tell a little joke, would love the laugh of love, too.
01:04:16
Be with the group.
01:04:17
And, um, they said he he was the guy who cared about other people and didn't care what other people I thought about him.
01:04:26
No, it's interesting because he's also credited with setting the strong foundations of many of the 1986 Mets pitching staff success as he was Davey Johnson, Triple A Tidewater pitching coach.
01:04:37
You saw a lot of those guys he worked with.
01:04:39
Come up to the majors is part of both George Bamberger, Frank Howard and David's coaching staffs.
01:04:43
What did you notice about how well those pitches work aired when they arrived at the majors? And what influences you think Al hat on that I think he has settling effect.
01:04:55
He never let get too big.
01:04:58
He put things in the proper perspective so that guys could, uh, live within within their own skills.
01:05:06
And, uh, you know, he was is a major leaguer.
01:05:09
True and true.
01:05:11
But he could reach down into the rookie ball and and teach one on one to an 18 year old.
01:05:17
He could go into the Dominican Republic and and without language, will be able Thio teach in and inspire young Dominican players, Puerto Rican players, Venezuelan players.
01:05:31
Al Jackson was just a Popsicle guy.
01:05:35
He he understood the other side, and he wanted the other side to you always.
01:05:42
No, it's interesting because they're a little bit of a parallel to what happened on June 6 1999.
01:05:49
Your New York Mets at that point sat at 27 28 had undock eight straight losses, including two against the Yankees.
01:05:56
At that point, GM Steve Phillips fired the batting coach Tom Robson, pitching coach Bob Apodaca and Bull Pope Penn coach Randy Niemann replacing them with ****ey Brantley, Dave Wallace and Al Jackson.
01:06:07
The Mets did something similar this year, replacing Dave Island and their bullpen coach with Phil Reagan and Ricky Bonus coming back as a manager.
01:06:17
Initially, when a GM does something like that, what's your first thought? And then when it's a person of Al Jackson stature, does that ease the initial you know, I would imagine, is a little bit of conflict there. When that happens.
01:06:34
Yeah, I know.
01:06:35
Ah, tough question that Al and I knew each other for years, matter of fact, that I might have been in my first major league game in 69 it might have been a game when Al was, uh um on the mound.
01:06:52
I can't really remember, but, you know, things go back a long ways with when he became a member of my Michael and fast replaced Randy name in there? Half killer friend.
01:07:07
Um, exactly that I jumped about him from the past.
01:07:17
So how did he adapt to the role in the bullpen? Is I remember him telling me that he was shocked that he got the job because he said he was basically in Binghamton in a hotel room watching the Knicks Pacers game when he got the call.
01:07:30
VC was working with the double A team, and he never imagined he was gonna be there.
01:07:34
How did he quickly get up and you know, to speed to help those pictures? Well, again, I can't speak for how Al did what he did.
01:07:46
I just know that when he was in a baseball uniform, when he was watching a baseball game, when he was with a young person who's trying to be good at pitching, he always was a value of value.
01:08:00
Added he he was the guy you wanted around when things are tough and he used the guy you wanted around with things we're not because, uh, you know, he had a left side to him That, uh uh oh always made today a little better.
01:08:13
Always had a smile.
01:08:14
One of the players from your 2000 national championship that gives out so much credit is our lighter.
01:08:21
Al actually lowered his e r A a full run from 99 to 2000.
01:08:25
What effect do you think Al had on some of the veteran pitchers you mentioned? How he was, You know, a calming effect on the young pitchers and his his demeanor and everything helped them.
01:08:35
But guys that are veterans sometimes don't want to take advice.
01:08:38
They they've been there.
01:08:39
They've heard so many different voices.
01:08:41
What effect do you think he had on that pitching staff for you in 2000? Well, I was there, so he has a very good ah, you know, I can't really say it.
01:08:58
All the specifics of you know what out that did.
01:09:02
There are thoughts during those days.
01:09:04
Like tell you that he was ever present.
01:09:07
He was there.
01:09:08
He was needed when? So I'm reached out here.
01:09:12
He he always had the right warm smile and very often that fateful answer you get.
01:09:20
Lastly, you have ah favorite Al Jackson moment or Al Jackson story that you could relate for us.
01:09:28
Oh, no, It's like that and pulling you out of here stuff for me.
01:09:34
Um, but again, it was, you know, every day was that was a great day.
01:09:42
Violent, Without, uh in you.
01:09:46
He really of the uniforms love being part of the of the baseball game of baseball team in baseball organization.
01:09:57
And that love was easy to see.
01:09:59
So, uh, he'll be missed.
01:10:01
Will be without a doubt.
01:10:03
Will be remembered because, uh, he had a way about it.
01:10:07
That that breed from threat.
01:10:11
Absolutely.
01:10:12
And when you look at him, you thought he was a man in his thirties.
01:10:14
The guy still looked like you go out on the mound and that smile would light up a room.
01:10:19
Bobby, thank you so much for spending some time with us tonight, but we really want to remember one of the baseball's great ambassadors.
01:10:26
It's always tough.
01:10:27
I mean, this year, you lost another good friend of yours.
01:10:29
Also, Bill Buckner was, ah, roommate of yours in college and teammate.
01:10:33
So it's always tough when we lose some of the great ambassadors of the game.
01:10:37
And we really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us tonight.
01:10:42
Good job on your part.
01:10:44
Thanks for reaching out and, uh, again, my my heart goes out to our family, wonderful family that they are, and he will really be.
01:10:54
Thank you so much, Bobby.
01:10:55
We appreciate it.
01:10:56
The great Bobby Vee, former manager of the New York Mets, is he mentioned.
01:10:59
Also Japan, the Boston Red Sox, great figure in New York sports. And so, so interesting.
01:11:06
You know, Bobby Vee, we talk about the great season at Alonso's having home.
01:11:11
One wise Bobby Vee was traded for one of the great home run hitters in Met history, and Bobby Balance and Bobby Valentine was traded for Dave Kingman.
01:11:18
That's how you know Bobby became a member of the Mets.
01:11:21
Um, this we're now going to hear from Al Jackson himself.
01:11:24
This was an interview without Met fantasy camp and spent a couple of years with him down there.
01:11:30
Got to know him.
01:11:32
And it's interesting because at Mets fantasy camp, a lot of the guys, the pictures, the young pitchers that he had had sent up through the, you know, up to the majors Doc Gooden and Erick Hillman and Pete sure were in camp, and he always looked at them.
01:11:47
You could tell the pride whenever he was almost like a father looking at his son's.
01:11:52
So this is Al Jackson from Met fantasy camp, talking about a whole range of things.
01:11:56
When we come back, I'm gonna tell you a little story about something, he says in the interview.
01:12:00
So this is Al Jackson from I think it's four years that way.
01:12:05
He met fans can without Jackson Al, You're a hero and the beauty of you being here is pretty much your client picture set, guys that you saw that you work with that when you see you know, short Bowman and A Y all these years later and knowing what they were like ISS young pitchers and seeing them giving back with him, Does that make you feel really think joy, you know, because I saw him in young men and I've seen the growth then where they are now, I think that's the most now.
01:12:42
Well, guys, you worked with various organizations.
01:12:45
Pitching coach who's the one guy that you saw have raw talent, but then you've helped develop is this mountain is the actual art of pitching? Who's the guy that went the furthest from just a workout and then making himself a portable picture.
01:13:02
Well, let's see.
01:13:04
Let me just think because I was just thinking the opposite.
01:13:07
And Dwight Gooden is the opposite.
01:13:09
You know, I came here 17 18 year old kid and seemed Get me 40 years.
01:13:15
You don't stop.
01:13:16
And the rest of it was fairly close.
01:13:22
Street word.
01:13:24
I think this is a custom ability, is there? You can't take shots.
01:13:29
I've never have God throw 98 Dingle going for here? I wouldn't have had that.
01:13:36
I didn't think it was at a time.
01:13:40
My Memphis is turning.
01:13:41
Coaching is teaching the guy who he is and what he has.
01:13:46
How do you know? So I think to me that with so many of the New Age pitching coaches really work on tax, same arm slot back in the day.
01:14:01
You guys look at Lewis Thes guys, they were mechanical, okay? And they were the pictures.
01:14:13
What do you do? You think it's long between coaches to try and make almost like a cookie cutter deliveries? Well, it young picture has to find is delivered now you confined to to his life because he has to do it.
01:14:32
When I saw you try to smooth them out so he won't hurt you.
01:14:36
He's never gonna be perfect.
01:14:38
You know. You can't just change.
01:14:43
A lot of guys don't even know.
01:14:45
So you teach him about that, you know, in a healthy way to do it.
01:14:52
And what about you? You pitching in one game? What was the most you pitch? 15 162? I was.
01:15:05
I was a guy 30 at Revere.
01:15:10
Well, because of my You can't do this.
01:15:16
I got this.
01:15:17
I know I was that same way.
01:15:19
I learned how to pull a specter had mixed adjustments.
01:15:25
No one knows how things and trained hard to do nothing.
01:15:29
My home.
01:15:30
I was a kid.
01:15:32
Have anyone about down, way over, right way on the left.
01:15:37
I should just do it in 30 pitches.
01:15:40
Once you start to be consistent, the one and that one, you will learn.
01:15:46
A lot of guys don't know how you know.
01:15:48
So you must know how to do things, and that makes it easy.
01:15:52
Are you a big proponent of limiting cats? Like what? What? The natural David Stephen Strasburg.
01:15:56
France used injury.
01:15:58
But you know, you think that happened when they get near that 100 pitch mark that that's a no matter where it is in the score, that that's a little bit just like you must train and have a strike.
01:16:14
These people that you're talking about abused themselves really want, we know not of.
01:16:24
The whole process is not sound because they think they construct people.
01:16:30
You can extract you.
01:16:32
It distracts him. Suffer.
01:16:34
Oh, you could do is executed.
01:16:36
If you had that idea that would lead to heart today, then through my work football, right inside, even the scouts of older, older managers and getting some power.
01:16:54
You have people.
01:16:56
That's why so many pickles with room because it's a lot of balls in one book, one of your member too gift.
01:17:21
See, they sometimes use that power.
01:17:30
They're using it to look that way.
01:17:34
You trouble enough to do it, but then you see about something less.
01:17:39
Guys, One thing about it, sometimes he used, But you must happen when you get you will be there too, you know, and you're doing that thing.
01:17:56
You know, I think that that that method that's sound for me, If I'm going to eat, then in the night, then we got one would need, You know, maybe one down.
01:18:09
I'm gonna stay out there.
01:18:11
I want to say that you didn't mean what, and I'm in the night and then tap tonight and I got a one run lead.
01:18:24
We got a man at third.
01:18:25
We got a man, and then we get from the manager.
01:18:31
You really come.
01:18:36
And he's well, that that I give up.
01:18:41
This is my game with best picture you have struck in this guy.
01:18:50
It's one out.
01:18:51
I mean, very good.
01:18:55
I know who said it.
01:19:00
**** Allen was the hitter.
01:19:02
Reason.
01:19:03
That's why you wanted to make you think I was good, right? Make me in a different I knew at the throat that was my game.
01:19:14
And he did.
01:19:15
He had a slow ground ball to third base.
01:19:18
We went for the double trade, but he read it out.
01:19:21
I had you.
01:19:23
I get the next one.
01:19:25
First guy, I came to the plate.
01:19:28
It's about to get home with Jackson again with you.
01:19:38
Got to have decided to be there, you know, and then just bring it back to fantasy camp now as not coaching the kids.
01:19:46
Campers come down.
01:19:48
You see, the just your love of the game.
01:19:51
You know, these guys had a lot of money now play all these games, but when they're out in the field, guys only here for a few days.
01:19:58
But coming together as a team, what does that tell you about the game of baseball itself? It's a boy's getting That's a phrase.
01:20:08
You boys, it's hard not to love this game.
01:20:14
You know, it's hard for you guys, what as a kid, and it's just that, you know, you see these guys here, regardless of the age on that, they're limited tested.
01:20:40
These hasn't stopped, but then last.
01:20:46
A lot of people do that back in the sixties.
01:20:58
Players use Renee's amphetamines, so there's no difference.
01:21:01
Has always been you re with that.
01:21:05
And you think that the guys that performance enhancing drugs should what should not be? Well, that's a tough question.
01:21:13
Yeah, I love this game and you want to do your best you want to do.
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That's an individual.
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Then who am I to say who have hired to say I didn't think that change, but the guy that does he take his own.
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That's what we leave it up you get? Do you really want to thank you? That's how much they do it.
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But the guys that got cheated do they have a right to be in the whole thing? Did it do cheating? Hit be slayer that he waas? You really believe that? Wait, no, This is what I can say.
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What is it? Nobody's proven to me.
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You know, I you know, I don't know what he would have been without passion.
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I said, Oh, this is This is I don't have it.
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Probably They're disgusting.
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Great stuff from out.
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Jackson.
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What I didn't want to talk about before we go to commercial break Is that in him recounting that 2 to 1 game where Richie Allen came up? You know, sometimes you think that over the years things change and stories get embellished.
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I went and checked on baseball reference dot com and he was dead on with what happened.
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Um, Richie Allen did hit a ground ball double play ball.
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It was an era.
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Now Richie didn't beat it out and the Cardinals did come back and win the next inning on a walk off home run, and he was 100% right quick break on the other side will round out the show with Time Tavern, the N B A.
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What I want to talk about it's interesting is, you know, Andrew luck again.
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You talk about the Knicks, yo, in the lottery and hoping they were gonna get someone, you know, hoping that gang Zion and you know you you tank.
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And you hope that you get a player.
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You know, the whole suck for luck, and then look where we are with Andrew luck.
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You know, a few years down the road, eh? NBA has a little bit of that as well.
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Correct? Yeah, Andrew looks free.
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Introductory was interesting because he was also news out.
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Their career only made it seven years, never played by injury.
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The NBA's got a long history of guys who retired early and injury, except what they could have been would have been.
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Look, Andrew look was the most highly touted quarterback prospect.
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Peyton and Ryan Leaf.
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His grades were the highest ever given to a quarterback.
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And you see, some guys can't pay.
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Hardaway's a guy whose needs just went out.
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Tracy McGrady if first immigrated from For those who didn't watch Tracy McGrady in its prime, um, the Orlando Trace, the greater the Houston Tracy McGrady.
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Um if he and Kevin Durant went one on one in their prime, I don't know who would win in terms of scoring efficiency and how good they were.
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Um, yeah, well, Ming retiring early.
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Brandon Roy is the one that jumps to mind in terms of a guy who was on this path to supers****om and in order, cell apart.
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But it's none of it was really a sudden the only real sudden retirement or sudden announcement that kind of just shocked the basketball world.
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Um, well, I mean to that are kind of an unfortunate end, not in any way applicable.
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Comparison.
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1000. Petra Vik and Len Bias obviously is right.
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Totally different ball game, obviously, but the one that really did to that jumped in mind the ones that just shatter the basketball world.
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The retirement out of nowhere.
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Michael Jordan the first time around, um, questionable cir***stances around why he retired.
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There's a conspiracy version.
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There's the, um, media, um, the media fed version.
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But Michael Jordan's retirement And then, of course, Magic Johnson, the guy who was on top of the basketball world, Um, the man who was basketball.
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That smile was before Air Jordan are jump Man was similar.
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Basketball.
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Jerry West might be the logo, but Magic Johnson smile was what was everywhere, you know, bringing the game back in the eighties after I was gone.
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His retirement.
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Also, Those are the two that I can think of.
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No, I'm not calling Andrew Luck.
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The NFL's Magic Johnson Certainly not calling in the NFL's Michael Jordan.
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He was never the best of his position while he was playing quarterback.
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There were always, you know, be a Tom Brady.
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Be it Aaron Rodgers.
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Patrick home in the last year has always been somebody bet on the Andrew Luck, but what he was in the prospect and as good as he wasn't an NFL player.
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The only guys who were tired that suddenly Magic and Michael, it's interesting.
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And again, it's one of those cautionary tales you know, everyone was looking at, you know, the passing of the torch from Peyton on toe.
01:27:23
No luck in the you know, they're gonna continue being one of the elite teams in football and, you know, ends up with him being booed off a field, which I felt was totally unwarranted by the fan.
01:27:33
Yeah, disgusting.
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I mean, the guy didn't give his heart and soul.
01:27:36
So, uh, interesting stuff.
01:27:38
I do appreciate it and a comparison.
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And it's definitely a good topic for tonight.
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We will see you in two weeks.
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As you know, we're off next week for the holiday, and then, Ah, we're getting a little close to the basketball.
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Gave Phil a better seat than the last time he was here, so that was good.
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Um, that's like the meanest compliment.
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You know, I've had some meter ones.
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I think the interesting thing is that a J was probably like 35 or 40 when all these clips we heard tonight were actually add the first time, right? Rick about Okay, they simmer down.
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You got a whole week off.
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That's why I could say that.
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All right? So most likely, we will probably re air this show next week.
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How you doing? I'm doing good.
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Uh, it's interesting, because on the way over here, I started thinking, you know, if the fan bases were reversed if met fans, if Yankee fans had the mentality of Met fans and met fans had the mentality of Yankee fans, how different would it be? And the reason why I kind of got me thinking about it is we have a chance, you know, it's slim, and it probably won't happen, but Jed Lowry might possibly have more home runs at the end of this season, then Jean Carlo Stanton.
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Now we all know as Met fans what, every single day we talked about it, Larry, the fact that Jean Carlo Stanton has one home run for the Yankees and the amount of money they're paying him, you don't hear anything about it.
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Additionally, the more I thought about it, the New York Mets were the last New York team to appear in a world Siris.
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Okay, but yet the Yankees are always in the hunt.
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They're always in the playoffs, but they haven't gotten to the promised land again.
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So why do you think there's such a difference in the fan base? Is, aside from the 27 championships.
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But what? No, over and above that? Why is there such a difference in the way the fan bases look at their teams? It's It's interesting because, I mean, when the Mets you look at the Mets and when they're when they're good, it seems like a comet.
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It seems like Haley's comet sometimes and and listen, The last five years have been you talk about the last five seasons.
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They've actually been pretty good three of those seasons, Uh, which is, which is where for this.
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For this franchise.
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And I think when you're talking about the money, you're talking about this specific situation.
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I think the Mets, especially early on, could really use Jed Lowry.
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And even now, when when they were down, Thio bringing up Ruben Tejada.
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A lot of people say, Well, you know, we could We could have really used Jed Lowry.
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I mean, you're talking about the difference of a game here, there.
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Where is when you're talking about the Yankees? You look at their record, they've got nothing to worry about.
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And also you look like a Jacoby Ellsbury.
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Also, they sunk a lot of money into Jacoby Ellsbury.
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And there's not a lot of talk about how Ellsbury has ruined the Yankees because you, ah, the Yankees can always cover.
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The Yankees can always make afford to make a mistake like that, make a mistake.
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Like Ellsbury, they could afford to take a hit on Stanton with the Mets.
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When, when they think a lot of money into an issue and it doesn't come to fruition, it's like, Well, that's, you know, that's it, that there's no money to cover up for that mistake.
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So s so, Yeah, I think I think there's definitely historical tendencies when it comes to how they look at each situation.
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And it's interesting because, you know, there were actually two sides the whole Jen Larry situation.
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Because if Jed Larry's healthy, I don't know if J.
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D.
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Davis gets as much playing time as he did and you know, and you saw him evolve into a very good everyday player because where if Jen Larry was here, you know, obviously he takes no time at third base for Todd Frazier.
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Probably, but where does J. D.
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Davis? B? J D.
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Davis initially was playing a little bit of third base, and his bat kept him in the lineup, which has got what moved him to the outfield.
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So if Jen Larry's healthy, you know breaking spring training is J.
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D. Davis, even on the team to start.
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I think I think he's on the team only because if you remember, Todd Frazier was so terrible to start the season, I think if Lowry had picked that particular moment to be healthy, I think Frasier might have even been gone.
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Ah, and if Lowry had started the season I think he would have gotten a lot of time at third base with Davis being a backup.
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I think I honestly think Frasier would have been the casualties because I don't think Frasier would have been a guy who they who the Mets would say, Well, he's not.
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He's not really a bench player where they could have, uh, thought that about Davis.
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Well, Davis is more of a bench player.
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We can have him as death where that I don't think they see Frasier as a depth piece.
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I mean, I think you're absolutely right.
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I think that definitely could have affected Davis.
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But I think there's also a scenario where Larry's health could have affected Frasier.
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Justus Much for sure.
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Interesting.
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If you listen to New York sports talk radio, you hear AH, constant topic of debate right now during the Mets.
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Good run is.
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Does ****ey Callaway need Metz to make the playoffs in order for him to keep his job interesting? You know, I don't know, in my opinion, if they have to make the playoffs, I think as long as they don't collapse and there is an improvement over last year and the way the team has performed for him.
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I think you you kind of have to bring him back.
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What do you think? I don't know if you have to bring him back.
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I The one thing about that is that there's always a wild card.
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There's always things we don't know about in terms of the relationship between Calloway and Brody s, so they could make the playoffs and and Calloway could still be gone.
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And there's a lot we don't know about that.
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I think it would behoove Calloway to make the playoffs if you know how ownership thinks, because I think Terry Collins would have been gone after 2015 had he not gone on that incredible run that World Series.
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I think what Collins? Two more years.
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So I think that would be difficult to fire cow away if this team, after starting 40 and 51 makes the playoffs.
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But I think it would be who've ****ey to make the playoffs if he wants.
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If he wants to guarantee survival and with Joe Girardi out there, I don't even know that guarantees and survival and listen why things happen.
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You know, beginning of spring training, we thought there's an outside shot that sets.
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But this is back after the All Star break, which would have been a big difference in this team as well.
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Um, it should be.
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And don't forget.
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Don't forget to another factor in the cowboy thing.
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If they were angry enough Jason Vargas to just give them away to the Phillies after that whole thing.
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Who knows that there still any residual thoughts that they have about ****ey because of that? Because of that incident, you know, they could be there holding on to ****ey now.
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But if there's if all things are equal, that that day might tip the scales, UH, against them, agreed.
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All right, now you take a look across town with the New York Yankees.
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Obviously, they built themselves a very nice cushion.
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These games are not critical, but that that Syria's in Oakland.
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It is that a red flag that going into the playoffs Listen, this lineup is good as it is, you know, if it runs into some good pitching could be a problem.
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However, you look on the flip side, that back end of the bullpen come playoff times could be what the Royals did to everyone in 2015.
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Oh, absolutely, I think I don't know.
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It's so much of a red flag because the A's just seemed tohave the Yankees number lately, a spending that stadium I think they were, including the Siri's.
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They just one I want to say 27 or 21 7 in Oakland, Alameda.
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So this one that that seems to be one of those things.
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And yet you're always gonna worry about that, pitching that starting pitching come playoff time, lineups and bullpen's dominate playoff talk.
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If it comes down to who has the best bullpen and who can put up the most runs off the other team? Starting pitching is because you don't you don't see.
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Even the good pictures don't really go six or seven in the playoffs.
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Oh, bullpen's play.
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A larger role, then you might think.
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And it also depends on which starting pitchers for the Yankees are gonna move into the bullpen.
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So I think it's a small red flag, but not not a huge one.
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So here's the bigger question.
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The New York Yankees, in a World Siris appearance this year, is a season of failure.
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I think the way Let's go back to what you were talking about.
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How Yankee fans thinking how many fans think? I do think for the Yankees it's World Series of us, especially after they came so close last year against Houston.
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And now they see Houston make a big deadline acquisition with Greinke, and the Yankees really didn't do anything to bolster their starting pitching.
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I think Yankee Fence will have that in the back of their mind.
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So if they don't make the world Siris, yes, I think it will be considered a failure.
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One other local no news of local note.
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Matt Harvey is now working, and I believe with the Oakland A's in the minor leagues, any shot, That man Harvey makes it back to the majors this year.
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And in your opinion, do you think that Matt Harvey, at one point somewhere down the road, could be either a serviceable starter or an interesting piece out of the bullpen? I think he I think if he comes back, it'll be as a serviceable starter.
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You know, Matt's gotta buy in and I think this this run with the Angels and this being sent to the minors for Oakland, I think it's a humbling experience for him.
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So I with that I think he's gonna have to want to make that change.
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I think it might be what he has to do to survive, but I don't know if Harvey can physically do it out of the bullpen.
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I think he's so ingrained in being a starter.
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I think if we see him this year, it'll be as a starter.
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If we see it next year, I think he will have thought to change his approach so he could survive.
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Should be interesting.
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It's always interesting surrounding the dark night, Johnny.
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We appreciate it.
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It's been a little bit of a while, but I'm so happy to be back, and we're thrilled to have you.
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So if you've never heard Phil on our show, um, or one of the many other shows he appears on, you're in for a treat.
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As we mentioned in the Open, his collection of audio is unmatched.
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So before we get into the clips that he's collected for us tonight for those in the audience hearing and seeing you for the first time, tell him how you got started with the collection, which, and it's hard for people out there to fathom this predates the DVR, VCR, Beta max, even the consider.
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So tell us how you got into it and how you got started a long, long time ago when the only way you could preserve a television program was toe audio.
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Take it easy.
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That was the motivation for May.
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I would look at the TV guide I would pick and choose what I would want to tape.
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Of course, I know that I would probably not process 80% of what I was watching.
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Ah, week later.
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But I had the audio and I could listen to it a year later if I wanted to.
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That was my primary motivation.
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And, um, I, uh I had this wonderful gift from my parents in the late fifties and it began taping my TV and that that wonderful gift was a reel to reel quarter inch to Rhea Web core stereophonic tape recorder was it was just a wonderful instrument.
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Hooked it up to the back of the TV.
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You were not supposed to take them back in T v o Lord be electrocuted.
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They also didn't say punishable by Laura, and it had a sign.
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I understand you look out the window before you do this.
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You're killing took alligator clips and I take them onto the speaker wire leads.
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And then I went with a phone plug into the input of the web corn direct line sound.
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And some of the sound will be here in the night is over 60 years old, and you could swear it was something you might have heard yesterday.
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So do you still have that deck? You? It's in that storage area.
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I have not seen it for a number of years, and hopefully it's not like the Titanic.
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But it still works, right? No, it has not been working for decades.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So the first clip we're gonna play tonight comes from April 30th 1960 NBC broadcast called Baseball's Changing Profile is a rare interview with Ty Cobb, which is so cool.
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So, first off was this one of the shows you tape as a young man, or is that something you came across later? No.
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No, I did not come across this.
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I taped this particular program equal.
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30th 1960.
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Frank McGee.
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There was a show called The World Wide World 60.
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Most of the shows were political oriented, but there was this one show that had to do with baseball, and I jumped on it.
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And I'm so glad I did, because we're gonna be hearing a little clip of the only time Ty Cobb ever did a sit down interview that one could dig out of Ah, some kind of research pool.
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whether it be radio war television.
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All right, Rick.
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So play the Ty Cobb click.
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Uh, naturally, uh, I saw a base pair.
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I broke into the American League and flowed for some 20 four.
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And with such great players like you were in college and Jackson Manspeaker, goodness knows how many more.
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Great. Claire. Truth.
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Uh, I think we played during that era.
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The best baseball.
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Uh, that has been praised.
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You don't think they're players of that sort on the scene today? I do not.
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I want to make comparisons.
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I certainly do not think that whitener could be a lit match in all probability.
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Speaker Collins.
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Uh huh.
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And sellers of that striped ones that don't have him anymore.
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Uh, if the in practice mint off the slide of the ball that destroys the value of the one run well is, uh it's supposed to be played within the confines of a men's souls.
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Feel alone, Decker.
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He was called Holborn Decker in our dreams with a dead ball.
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And the world runs you ever made was 12.
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You have a nice sister thing today.
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Most any little fellow can come along and dumped 12 over the fences into the stand.
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Don't you see? The value are the home run is I say I say it down 59 years ago.
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That could be a player from the seventies or eighties talking today.
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So amazing.
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And not only that.
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I mean, you gotta love the fact.
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I mean, they did this at his home in his backyard.
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And your audio is so clear that the audio back then was you hear the birds chirping in the background while Ty Cobb is talking.
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But But what a statement.
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Homerun.
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Baker was called home run Baker in my day and he hit 12 run, 12 home runs.
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Any little guy today can bump 12 over the fence is what he was saying back in 1960.
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And now it's more than ever now, right? And this is coming from someone.
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It's mind boggling.
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Well, seasons where he, uh, was batting crown. Unbelievable.
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I don't think I've ever heard I speak and you saw the movie Cobb with Tommy Lee Jones and and you.
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I got a full, different mindset, but just the way he spoke of audience and, you know, it was very well spoken.
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That's not the way he came across in the movie.
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So think of him is a very, very cold stuff.
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All right, so our next clip is pretty cool.
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Visit includes the Onley known opening of a New York Giants TV broadcast and from the New York Giants Last Home Games.
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Last home game.
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And it ends with Willie Mays stepping off the home plate and you can hear the audience reaction the stadium as Willie walks up to the plate for the last time in this bunker.
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New York's famous Be beautiful Satisfy your beer first.
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Hello, everybody.
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This is Jeff Woods, along with Russ Hodges and Bob Delaney, and we finally reached the final game of the year between the New York Giants and the Pittsburgh Pirates.
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Brought to you by Knickerbocker, New York's famous beer and pell mell famous cigarettes.
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I guess all closing days of the baseball season putting sadly, hits one doubly.
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So for reasons that we do not have to go into what we're gonna have the starting lineup Julian bowling.
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He's got one today that brings back, not challenged you because I was trying to put everybody can only 1954 World Championship Club have lined up for you in just a moment.
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First out, it probably will be Johnny Powers makes the catch, and this will probably be the last time we'll wait.
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It's got a standing ovation.
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Everybody in the ballpark of prison get laid a New York along a couple of things.
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First of all, I'm not a smoker, and I don't even know if they're around anymore.
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But I always thought it was called Pall Mall.
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The way they pronounce it was totally different, which was interesting, But you mentioned that this is the only known open of a New York Giants no television broadcast.
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How do you go about researching that to find out and authenticate the fact that it is the only known birds? Let's qualify by saying it's the only known as faras my own research and other people's research and what is out there in the collecting world and in the archive world.
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I mean, even if if you scour the library, Congress or Paley Center, you see a way with people who have other fairly composite collections.
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Not gonna find an opening of a New York giant television baseball game.
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Russ Hodges, Jim Woods.
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The opening, you know, with Knickerbocker Presents.
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I mean, it's mind boggling that no one even audio recorded a game like that with this one exception.
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This I did not record.
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This was found through a the wife of a dentist who passed the way you got in touch with me and Jersey, and most of his material is not of interest to me.
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But he takes this one particular moment, and it's fantastic.
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And, um, you know, just hearing the banging on the stadium sidewalls, right? I mean, it's just so much of a memory that and, you know, Willie is still alive today, and, uh, what a Nikon.
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Unbelievable.
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So here's another New York last.
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But where is Giant? Fans knew it was their last game.
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When Vin Scully is doing that game, he the inkling he had an inkling that it was going to be the last, but it was not official.
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So this is from October 8th 1957.
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It also includes a clip of the evening news that night.
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This was the Brooklyn Dodgers last game at Ebbets Field.
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Andi, it's, uh, the end of our year with gone round your way and that That way we want to go into a big, long thing here just to let you know that we really enjoyed working for you or the alarm.
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We hope we brought you some enjoyment.
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Imagine sometimes other.
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We've got little man.
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Now you'd like to remind everybody that this final game day was not to them like every game, the 1957 5 of them Shiver Brewing Company in Brooklyn Bunny Birds of shape.
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A bit of all hope, that's a part of bringing the baseball games for the folks this year.
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The member of America's oldest lock up there.
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It's real.
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They're lucky.
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Tasting sick of you ever made by the American Tobacco company of Tobacco is our middle name.
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Of course, a lot of fine folks American tobacco Company, real places that need to be with you and I'll and all the doctors all during the 1957 season.
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I swell sponsors shaper been lucky strike and all the guys here in the booth, Laddie Alan Law, happy what's been fired associating with these very, very wonderful Brooklyn Dodger fans away.
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That's right.
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Indeed, we wantto certainly say hello to our dodging network, which was really spreading its wings this year for the first time, as well as all our friends in New York and all of us here in the booth hope we'll be talking to you in 1958 57.
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As far as the baseball season is concerned in our own personal little duties with the ball club just about down the drain for the last time, we'll be saying goodbye and good luck and we'll see you take care of yourself.
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The Brooklyn is mourning its beloved bums tonight, the departure of the Dodgers occurring this afternoon with the official announcement that the club is moving its franchise to Los Angeles.
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The announcement came not from Dodger President Walter O'Malley, but from Arthur Patterson.
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It's interesting because that's 1957 and if you, our baseball fan that could have been two years ago.
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Vin Scully's voice has not changed over the decades, and it's so cool to hear him so early in his career, the last Brooklyn Dodger game that that was a very good woman there, eight years already, right that point, right? So how did you come across that one? Is that one that you recorded? No, I did not record that one.
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And that is such a precious piece of nostalgia.
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I get a kick out of the fact that Vin Scully says at the end, that hopes to be in seeing you in the booth in 1958.
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Now we know he did it.
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He knew that Ron Cochran, CBS.
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Uh uh.
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Early evening news report was 10 days later on and official, but they knew.
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And I have a feeling that he was cold.
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Don't you dare say? Especially since O'Malley wasn't the person to make that.
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You make the announcement, he snuck out, but so cool as well.
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Hearing been back then, our next clip also celebrates another last.
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This one was the last home run hit by Roger Maris in 1961.
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And then a little bit of him on the Red Barber postgame show from, um, October 1st 1961.
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Goodness.
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What Goodness.
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What very special.
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Goodman in the big G.
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General Mills.
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Well, friends.
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Our postgame guest for today, Johnny Sain.
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And he's here.
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But ah, young man is also I gotten himself on the show, and then he sits there, and I'm sitting there relaxed and, uh and of course, you know that he had done something that no ballplayers ever done.
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61 home runs, you know, kind of season sitting with him and his manager.
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And we're looking forward to having a little chat in a moment on in letting Roger I see home run number 61 that he had.
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All right there. That is very wonderful.
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You could see the reaction of your teammates trainer on the crowd is just wild.
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And of course, you're gonna come out.
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Uh, everyone thought that you, uh you had a deal.
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How very, very simply, And just perfectly.
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And it, uh if you notice here that once I get out, I start to go back in that keep pushing me out.
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They didn't want Let me Oh, nobody ever gets 61 before.
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Couple interesting things.
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They're so first of all, Roger Maris just broke Babe Ruth's record.
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You would think that he would be the only guest, But the first guy he introduces, Johnny Sain, which is boggled my mind there.
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Um, it's also interesting Is that If you search the Internet and YouTube, you'll see the home run.
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But nothing like this exists.
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So as you started your collection, how did you determine what you were going to keep? Obviously, back in the day, you know, you didn't have an unlimited budget.
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So you had these reel to reel tapes, and I'm assuming, just like some of the TV stations, you had to make a determination.
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I don't want to keep this.
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I'm gonna tape over this.
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Is there something that you taped over that you now regret that you wish you had? And how did you determine what you would tape over what you keep? I never taped over anything.
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I was really, really Ah, very black type of guy.
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Last 58 years ago, I did record this.
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And my dear father, he literally, you know, he went out of his way.
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It was a Sunday.
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Ah usually would drive me back to farming deal I went to with State University of Farm.
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We deal with that Onda.
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He waited and then I you know, this was going to be the game potentially for that 61st home run.
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I certainly wanted to get the postgame show with Red Baba.
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And, uh, this is, you know, totally peerless.
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No one has this.
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It's never been played before until tonight.
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Any segment of it.
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And I love the fact that he looks at a replay.
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This was very early in the game to see videotape replay.
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And I agree.
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Johnny saying Is there, uh you know? I mean, you would think Yeah.
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Yeah, he buried the lead.
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It's mind boggling.
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Right? And another thing very quickly.
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It was so ready to take about by the curtain call.
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This was Ah, rare curtain.
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Cool people today, you take, you take a curtain.
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Cool for almost everything, then.
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That was a rare moment where Roger Maris, even if the 61 gets pushed out of the dugout.
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So let me go back to the facts.
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So you never take over anything.
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So how old were you when you started doing this? I started taping when I was around 15 16 years old.
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Okay, so what did a reel to reel tape cost $5 I give a lot of my love to my mom.
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My mom who used to give me five bucks to run down to the corner to buy a 24 100 foot Irish quarter inch reel to reel tape.
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You It gave May 2 hours on one side and two hours on the other.
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It was mono, so I had four hours per reel.
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Five bucks.
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So that's why you would sit with the TV guide and map out what? You Absolutely.
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I mean, I just wouldn't indiscriminately just I mean, today, with digital technology, you put a card in you, you're running forever.
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Everything is recorded today.
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Then you were very, very, uh uh, you know, decisive in terms of when you were gonna record anything, whether it be a rodeo war picture, more film.
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Well, here's another question.
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So let's say that particular game happened when you were not home.
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Did you leave special instructions for your parents? There were times where I had my parents record from Yes.
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So you would set it all up and you tell them Well, I would ask my dad, you know, could you record the fact that Mazeroski home run I was in Farmingdale? I was a college and I had my father take that. Now it's ubiquitous.
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It's out.
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There was the time where that was pretty red even have the TV audio.
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That's so your dad was the first like that.
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That she was the first TV are you could set your dad.
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All right, so, um, let's see.
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So we moved from ah, last to a first.
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This comes from one of my favorite old TV shows, which is interesting because they have this current wave of bringing back all these old TV shows is that $10,000 pyramid, which is back the match game.
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And to tell the truth, I'm sure very shortly this this program will probably make a comeback.
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So this is from actually, I think they you know what? I stand corrected.
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I think they do.
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There is a version of what's my line, right? That that Ah, heirs.
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Now I think there is.
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It's what? Stand up guys who do improv, right? It's not the actual game show, but I think they should bring this back.
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Um, so this is from Oh, no, actually, I'm running.
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This is from to tell the truth, right? No, this is from what's my line I brought back.
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What's my line is One of my justice was on Lee after the fourth Mets game, five days after the first Met game ever.
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Which is interesting, the first voice you're going to hear, which is also interesting because I don't know what he was doing in 1962.
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For me.
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He's from the Odd Couple, which was many years later.
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So the first voice you're gonna hear, I know it was on Broadway, but the first voice you're gonna hear is that of Tony Randall.
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So this is Casey Stengel at the end of the mystery guest and then a little bit of Casey from What's my line, Mr Randall? Well, I'll have to go the obvious route and ask if you're connected with the Mets.
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Yes.
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Are you Casey Stengel? Theo, now as one of the new fans that Casey has played such a large part in creating in the Mets? I'm not at all downhearted, sir, and I think that you were a towering giant in the sports field, and I think the Mets are going to go on and write their name Large sports history after one.
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You've just at a little time to get started and you've got a long, hard jobs.
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You've said yourself so many times.
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We don't get this heart yesterday, Mr Stengel, that I don't know too much about baseball.
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In fact, I'm pretty dumb about it.
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But I do know about New Yorkers, and I think we needed an underdog team for a long time.
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And the same people who were rooting for the Dodgers and a lot who rooted for Mr Stengel in the past.
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They're gonna be out screaming their heads off for him and for the Mets.
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Theo.
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Why? I knew it was gonna be Casey.
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I've been begging him.
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We probably publishing case.
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He's brought Casey at the bat.
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I've been begging him to come on this show for months.
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And finally, with the assistance, the very valuable assistance of his lovely wife Edna.
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We talked him into coming tonight.
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We're mighty glad to have you, Casey.
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Well, there's so many splendid people in next person.
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No, I didn't think that I could qualify to ever appear on the show.
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Okay.
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You qualified to appear on this show a long, long time ago that nine pennants in 12 years that qualifies you for 55 appearances on what's my life way.
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Take Alexey case.
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He doesn't like to get on television, and we're verticality finally broke down and decided to join us.
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I talked to ensure that, uh, find the gaming business.
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It just never do it.
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What do they say? In case you what What you gonna do about the Mets if you got some plans, right? No, it's a little snowy today way.
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We're not used to playing in the snow in the first game, that brain, and we're not used to playing in the rain.
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Typical Casey Stengel right there if you're watching the Met game.
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So it actually showed a commercial with Casey for life cereal.
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So I just ah, great ambassador for the game.
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And it was just so cool hearing that, um and what also was interesting is the sound of that game show in the audience reaction.
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And and that's not, you know? Ah, clap track.
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That was live television.
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And that was a crowd, right? I'm and enthusiastic here in case he talks.
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That was very cool.
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A slight correction market. I apologize.
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Who's what's My line wasn't revived.
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It's a different show with a similar sound.
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Whose line is it anyway? Exactly.
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All right.
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No problem.
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It's a look at Rick correcting himself.
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Auto. Correct.
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All right, so our, um, our next clip is one of those full circle moments.
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It's from Howard Cosell, September 11 1963 and an interview with former Brooklyn Dodger.
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Then New York met Duke Snider.
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All these years later, Howard's grandson is affiliated with the Met.
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Sees the P A announcer.
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So here's Howard with the Duke of Flatbush.
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Great moments for you were, of course, in Brooklyn, definitely those with the girl in years of my career.
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It was a great ball park to hit in.
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I was very fortunate to be with a great bunch of fellows, and a great bunch of ballplayers were not only I had a good offense if team we had a great defensive team, great pictures, and you put it all together and you have, Ah, just a fabulous ball club and a great bunch of guys.
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The memories are abundant, of course, but this is an appropriate woman for the cliche questions.
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Do much.
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If you were hard put to it was the best team on which you ever played well.
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I would have to say, however, that the 1951 and 52 ball clubs were the greatest teams that I ever played on.
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Of course, we won the world championship in 55 that you had Campanella catching Guillot first base Jackets second, peewee assured, and Billy Cox had learned in the outfield.
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We had three center fielders, Andy Path Girl myself and Carl Furillo.
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It was an extraordinary ball club.
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So much heart.
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Brooke Break connected with it, though.
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Duke does a man all these years later still remember what happened in 51.
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Abrams was thrown out at home the final game.
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What happened in 51 when Bobby at the homer against Ralph? But I would actually have to say this salad that, in my own opinion that when you're in very spot for 20 years, like I have been, why you're going to have your bad years and you're very sorrowful years where you lose dependent on the last day of the season are in the playoffs.
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But I would have to say that the good things overcome the bad things, and you have to accept, not like them.
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But you have to accept some of the better defeats that we did have end of course, coming to New York knowing you were coming to 1/9 or 10th place club.
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It was still a great experience in a lot of pleasure.
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Wasn't I would have to say It's It's been a fabulous experience for me the way I was received in the So do you when I did come back opening day in the ovation that I got and the and the way that the Met fans and the New York fans have received myself a CZ Wells, the Met Ball Club this year has been fabulous, and I would like to think each and every one of them for being so nice to me and the Mets because it's been a struggle.
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The case.
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He's done a good job.
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He tries to, uh, win every game.
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He wants to win every game, but sometimes he doesn't have a Blanchard or somebody else sitting over on the bench to send up to get that base hit for him.
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But he's been great to be with the New York people have been fabulous to be with this year and I just want to thank each and every one of us.
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Our next two clips come one week later as the Mets play their final game at the Polo Ground.
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So here's the last out done by Bob Murphy, and then Bob's not so happy.
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Recap stirring up here on the last half of the ninth inning, Runners on first and 2nd 1 man out and kept Schreiber will come on to hit for Larry Bernard Rodkin.
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Eel is on second and on first base.
00:43:13
Chico Fernandez one out of the last of the ninth inning, 5 to 1 Philadelphia ground ball to second over the second for one on the first double play in the ball game, and the home season is over.
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All right, So a couple of things when you listen back to those clips, whether it be the way Howard Cosell phrased a question the way Duke Snider answered the question or the way that Bob Murphy closed out a game bag, then what's the first thing that comes to your mind when you compare it to the broadcasters of today? Very classy.
00:45:52
And, um, I got to say, Just listening.
00:45:55
It seems like yesterday It seems like that was just on yesterday with Bob Murphy.
00:46:00
Um, and what I'm really grateful about is that my calling was, for whatever reason, to ah, record history.
00:46:08
Based on these television broadcast.
00:46:10
There are others who have taped radio for a kiss, but not television, and you had different announces and different kinds of programming.
00:46:18
This is a very good example, um, to listen to Ah, Howard Cosell interview Duke Snider.
00:46:25
I mean, that would be gone forever if I didn't record.
00:46:28
Ah, the ABC News.
00:46:30
He had a sports show every day and I don't like up from 6 30 to 7.
00:46:34
You had the local news, and it's just really, you know, um, wonderful to be ableto listen again, because I'm sure there are very few people who ever remember that program right.
00:46:46
So enclosing.
00:46:48
I know when I did my kindness corner book, I reached out to you when you were a very valuable resource, as you had a few of the episodes of Kinds Corner in an average week.
00:46:56
How many people reach out to you to try and find the clip on a specific topic, whether it be for writing a book or even for use in a movie? How often are you contacted? And what is your filing system like to be ableto find something that someone is looking for? Um, I do get requests from television do***entary produces Florentine, then burns unable to transact with them.
00:47:23
Um, there are motion pictures who will use the tracks, um, in the background, and you know we'll have someone watching the TV game with something or a television program.
00:47:35
They'll use the tracks there so many different ways that this could be used for authors such as you.
00:47:43
You know, you had material that you would never get anywhere else, and you had forbade him right off the soundtrack.
00:47:49
The actual interview Is there something in your collection that is your absolute favorite clip? Something that whether it be because of the way in the time you recorded it, that brings you back to that moment or just because of you got something you didn't expect to get? Well, um, I will stay with, um, May 1st 1960 Channel 13 before was PBS and Jackie Robinson recites the Gettysburg Address to his wife and his Children.
00:48:20
I mean, that is mind boggling to May, and I received a wonderful letter from Rachel Number of years ago, and the beauty of it is that she did not remember doing the show.
00:48:32
And we played that the way it is in the Jackie Robinson.
00:48:38
Unbelievable, Phil, we love it, and I know every so often I'll send you a message on Facebook like, let's do another theme and you put together a great set of clips tonight for those who are interested in maybe just for themselves, getting some of these audio for their collection.
00:48:54
Where can they find out more about your collection of the website is www dot a tv audio dot com.
00:49:02
One can always call me.
00:49:04
I, uh I solicit that people who are looking for a particular broadcast for people who just want to talk about full time television.
00:49:12
5166565677 and, um, I welcome anyone who has other material that is not in our collection, and we continue to add to the website.
00:49:28
The website now um has about 60% of 40% additional titles that are in the collection that are not posted.
00:49:39
Absolutely.
00:49:40
I love it every time you come in.
00:49:41
Thanks so much for coming in tonight.
00:49:43
We really appreciate it.
00:49:44
Well, it's been my pleasure, and I hope one day that I can pass this along even to my grandson Caden.
00:49:50
You never know.
00:49:51
This collection will have to live somewhere else at a certain point, and I look forward to it being kept alive.
00:49:57
Awesome.
00:49:58
Phil Greiss, founder and owner of Archival Television Audio Inc.
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I don't know that many other radio shows where you're going to hear that Duke Snider stuff that has not been heard for over 50 years.
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So let's start with that, Jay.
00:52:15
You know, we go back and it seems like just yesterday it was the suck for luck sweepstakes and kind of puts sports and perspective.
00:52:25
You know, you hope and you want you want that first draft pick and you think that guy's gonna be your franchise quarterback and he's gonna lead you to glory.
00:52:32
And things don't always turn out that way.
00:52:35
Walk us through.
00:52:37
You know, the expectation that the Colt fans had with Andrew Luck and how it ended with him being booed off of a field? Yeah, pretty strange.
00:52:46
Kind of a series of events here hurt.
00:52:48
He's the last couple of years.
00:52:50
Not many franchises are as lucky as the culture you go from Peyton Manning in the late nineties.
00:52:55
There all the way up to Andrew Luck on then this whole thing.
00:52:59
It's been a rough couple of years from, you know, dealing with shoulder injury and 2015 and 2016.
00:53:05
Then he missed all of 2017 on, then with the unbelievable season he had last year, comeback player of the year.
00:53:11
You just feel for a guy, man This is a guy that really had it all.
00:53:15
I mean, that was in the NFL.
00:53:16
You go.
00:53:17
Sistan forgets his degree in my mind.
00:53:20
And I'm sure a lot of other people out there one of the most surefire can't miss prospects in the history of the NFL draft.
00:53:27
And you say, I love when he was being drafted, people compared in the, you know, John Elway.
00:53:31
And he he really did.
00:53:32
I mean, when he was healthy, really did live up to the bill and for Indianapolis Colts team.
00:53:37
We really didn't do a great job of putting an offensive line in front of him and told the last couple of years when they really fortified it with a guy like Quentin else really being the anchor there, even a various.
00:53:48
Leonard was fantastic for them last year.
00:53:51
A rookie that nobody really saw that coming in.
00:53:54
Yeah, you're right, man.
00:53:55
It puts things in perspective for a guy that age in the whole world in front of them and, you know, it still could be a Hall of Famer.
00:54:02
But my gosh, man, you really take a step back and you think we care about sports.
00:54:07
I know you do, Marc.
00:54:08
We love it so much.
00:54:09
It encompasses our whole life.
00:54:11
But if a guy like this guy that was complaining about every nick and bruise that he had This is the hard working dude.
00:54:17
You always see how nice of the other other guys on the other team.
00:54:21
And to see him make that announcement yesterday.
00:54:23
And you hear the boos? Yes.
00:54:26
It was rough.
00:54:27
It was rough to hear.
00:54:28
I even had Colt fans on my Facebook saying that they felt that he let them down.
00:54:31
He doesn't know anybody anything.
00:54:33
Uh, he needs to be happy.
00:54:35
This is the decision he made outside of football.
00:54:37
He wants to live a happy life, and I think he's earned that right.
00:54:41
It's interesting because it also kind of puts it the levee in Belle situation in perspective.
00:54:45
Because no, let me on Set out.
00:54:47
He wants to get paid, because you know what you are one hit away from, you know, ending your career.
00:54:52
You take a look at what luck has gone through in to try and get back, and it just didn't work out for him.
00:54:57
But even look at what happened to Bo Jackson's career.
00:55:00
I mean, it's a tough sport that could end at any moment.
00:55:03
And when you see this guy who was the franchise quarterback, you know, we felt that he was gonna be around forever and you know his it was like a comet.
00:55:12
It's gone already, and it just it's hard to believe.
00:55:15
And especially when we see some of these quarterbacks that are playing into the forties there late, they're using the Brady's in the breach and Eli and Big Band and all those guys think man quarterback now I wouldn't be surprised if Brady's playing when he's 45.
00:55:29
It's creating one of the one of the most one of the really tweets that stuck with me was Keith Bulluck, long time middle linebacker for the Titans, played many games against the Colts and says they cannot sell.
00:55:40
Man, you got to get out in 10 and when you are out, really, you know, really look after their guys that much has seen so many for the last time For the last couple of years, we've seen that with all the lost just going with the guys kind of dealing with CG issue so more power to him.
00:55:57
I thought it took a lot of courage for him to be able to do what he did last night After the announcement was made, everybody was saying, Oh, here comes the press conference on Sunday and I think Andrew Luck was like, Hey, let's just we got to get out in front of this thing as much as we can because everybody already knows.
00:56:12
So let's talk to everybody and kind of give his side of the story.
00:56:15
It's a sad day in the NFL, but any good for Andrew Love, it was a tough decision, but he's got to do it's best for him, and he deserves it.
00:56:22
It's also interesting if you watch the jet game, you see who's battling for the backup role for the New Orleans Saints, a guy who was also with the Jets but another guy who's injury, a guy who your trajectory thought was gonna be a much higher.
00:56:33
And where is his career Now? He's battling for a backup job in that's Teddy Bridgewater.
00:56:37
So you're right.
00:56:38
It could turn in a dime.
00:56:40
J.
00:56:41
We look forward to covering the entire football season with you.
00:56:44
We can't wait to the season.
00:56:45
Get start.
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We're not here next week for the holiday, but the following week it starts for real and you'll break it down each and every week for us.
00:56:51
And we really appreciate it.
00:56:53
Sounds good, Mark. Thanks for having me, buddy. You got it.
00:56:55
Jay.
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01:01:52
Ah, at a wonderful 40 35 to 40 minutes with him.
01:01:56
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01:02:09
We're trying to get in touch with Bobby Vee.
01:02:11
Um I think he Rikers get him now.
01:02:18
All right, so, yeah, we're gonna get him now.
01:02:24
Now is a man who is considered by many the greatest all around athlete in Connecticut history.
01:02:28
He was an all state player in football, baseball and track and field in high school and is the only three time all state football player in Connecticut history.
01:02:37
Los Angeles Dodgers drafted him number five overall in the 1968 major league draft.
01:02:41
He would go on to play 10 years for Dodgers California Angels New York Mets in Seattle Mariners and manage another 16 with the Texas Rangers New York Mets, which included a trip to the World Series and the Boston Red Sox.
01:02:53
He is currently the athletic director at Sacred Heart University.
01:02:56
It is always a pleasure to welcome the man known affectionately as Bobby B.
01:03:00
Bobby Valentine's 5 40 AM Sports Talk New York.
01:03:02
Welcome, Bobby.
01:03:05
Okay, Thank you.
01:03:06
In a wonderful instruction.
01:03:07
I appreciate that.
01:03:08
Uh, there was a little gap in their seven years.
01:03:12
Managed to leave that out.
01:03:15
It really sounds good to be with you.
01:03:19
Yeah, I'm talking about a great guy, Harry, that he's gone.
01:03:23
But Lowy Absolutely.
01:03:25
And I really appreciate you taking the time out of your busy schedule to join us? To talk about the passing this past week of an original Met as well as a longtime instructor, Al Jackson.
01:03:35
Ah, those who had the opportunity to meet him know what a special man he was.
01:03:38
An indication of that is that in the 2018 Mets media guide, it states no one exemplifies the Mets organization Maur than Al Jackson.
01:03:47
When was the first time you met Alan? What was your first impression of him? Well, uh, you know, I really don't remember the first time you met.
01:03:55
Um, I'm sorry about that, but, uh, I know that it was the last thing.
01:04:00
An impression.
01:04:01
Every time I was with out of his caring mile, he was here is the guy who who was there for you.
01:04:10
He would love to tell a little joke, would love the laugh of love, too.
01:04:16
Be with the group.
01:04:17
And, um, they said he he was the guy who cared about other people and didn't care what other people I thought about him.
01:04:26
No, it's interesting because he's also credited with setting the strong foundations of many of the 1986 Mets pitching staff success as he was Davey Johnson, Triple A Tidewater pitching coach.
01:04:37
You saw a lot of those guys he worked with.
01:04:39
Come up to the majors is part of both George Bamberger, Frank Howard and David's coaching staffs.
01:04:43
What did you notice about how well those pitches work aired when they arrived at the majors? And what influences you think Al hat on that I think he has settling effect.
01:04:55
He never let get too big.
01:04:58
He put things in the proper perspective so that guys could, uh, live within within their own skills.
01:05:06
And, uh, you know, he was is a major leaguer.
01:05:09
True and true.
01:05:11
But he could reach down into the rookie ball and and teach one on one to an 18 year old.
01:05:17
He could go into the Dominican Republic and and without language, will be able Thio teach in and inspire young Dominican players, Puerto Rican players, Venezuelan players.
01:05:31
Al Jackson was just a Popsicle guy.
01:05:35
He he understood the other side, and he wanted the other side to you always.
01:05:42
No, it's interesting because they're a little bit of a parallel to what happened on June 6 1999.
01:05:49
Your New York Mets at that point sat at 27 28 had undock eight straight losses, including two against the Yankees.
01:05:56
At that point, GM Steve Phillips fired the batting coach Tom Robson, pitching coach Bob Apodaca and Bull Pope Penn coach Randy Niemann replacing them with ****ey Brantley, Dave Wallace and Al Jackson.
01:06:07
The Mets did something similar this year, replacing Dave Island and their bullpen coach with Phil Reagan and Ricky Bonus coming back as a manager.
01:06:17
Initially, when a GM does something like that, what's your first thought? And then when it's a person of Al Jackson stature, does that ease the initial you know, I would imagine, is a little bit of conflict there. When that happens.
01:06:34
Yeah, I know.
01:06:35
Ah, tough question that Al and I knew each other for years, matter of fact, that I might have been in my first major league game in 69 it might have been a game when Al was, uh um on the mound.
01:06:52
I can't really remember, but, you know, things go back a long ways with when he became a member of my Michael and fast replaced Randy name in there? Half killer friend.
01:07:07
Um, exactly that I jumped about him from the past.
01:07:17
So how did he adapt to the role in the bullpen? Is I remember him telling me that he was shocked that he got the job because he said he was basically in Binghamton in a hotel room watching the Knicks Pacers game when he got the call.
01:07:30
VC was working with the double A team, and he never imagined he was gonna be there.
01:07:34
How did he quickly get up and you know, to speed to help those pictures? Well, again, I can't speak for how Al did what he did.
01:07:46
I just know that when he was in a baseball uniform, when he was watching a baseball game, when he was with a young person who's trying to be good at pitching, he always was a value of value.
01:08:00
Added he he was the guy you wanted around when things are tough and he used the guy you wanted around with things we're not because, uh, you know, he had a left side to him That, uh uh oh always made today a little better.
01:08:13
Always had a smile.
01:08:14
One of the players from your 2000 national championship that gives out so much credit is our lighter.
01:08:21
Al actually lowered his e r A a full run from 99 to 2000.
01:08:25
What effect do you think Al had on some of the veteran pitchers you mentioned? How he was, You know, a calming effect on the young pitchers and his his demeanor and everything helped them.
01:08:35
But guys that are veterans sometimes don't want to take advice.
01:08:38
They they've been there.
01:08:39
They've heard so many different voices.
01:08:41
What effect do you think he had on that pitching staff for you in 2000? Well, I was there, so he has a very good ah, you know, I can't really say it.
01:08:58
All the specifics of you know what out that did.
01:09:02
There are thoughts during those days.
01:09:04
Like tell you that he was ever present.
01:09:07
He was there.
01:09:08
He was needed when? So I'm reached out here.
01:09:12
He he always had the right warm smile and very often that fateful answer you get.
01:09:20
Lastly, you have ah favorite Al Jackson moment or Al Jackson story that you could relate for us.
01:09:28
Oh, no, It's like that and pulling you out of here stuff for me.
01:09:34
Um, but again, it was, you know, every day was that was a great day.
01:09:42
Violent, Without, uh in you.
01:09:46
He really of the uniforms love being part of the of the baseball game of baseball team in baseball organization.
01:09:57
And that love was easy to see.
01:09:59
So, uh, he'll be missed.
01:10:01
Will be without a doubt.
01:10:03
Will be remembered because, uh, he had a way about it.
01:10:07
That that breed from threat.
01:10:11
Absolutely.
01:10:12
And when you look at him, you thought he was a man in his thirties.
01:10:14
The guy still looked like you go out on the mound and that smile would light up a room.
01:10:19
Bobby, thank you so much for spending some time with us tonight, but we really want to remember one of the baseball's great ambassadors.
01:10:26
It's always tough.
01:10:27
I mean, this year, you lost another good friend of yours.
01:10:29
Also, Bill Buckner was, ah, roommate of yours in college and teammate.
01:10:33
So it's always tough when we lose some of the great ambassadors of the game.
01:10:37
And we really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us tonight.
01:10:42
Good job on your part.
01:10:44
Thanks for reaching out and, uh, again, my my heart goes out to our family, wonderful family that they are, and he will really be.
01:10:54
Thank you so much, Bobby.
01:10:55
We appreciate it.
01:10:56
The great Bobby Vee, former manager of the New York Mets, is he mentioned.
01:10:59
Also Japan, the Boston Red Sox, great figure in New York sports. And so, so interesting.
01:11:06
You know, Bobby Vee, we talk about the great season at Alonso's having home.
01:11:11
One wise Bobby Vee was traded for one of the great home run hitters in Met history, and Bobby Balance and Bobby Valentine was traded for Dave Kingman.
01:11:18
That's how you know Bobby became a member of the Mets.
01:11:21
Um, this we're now going to hear from Al Jackson himself.
01:11:24
This was an interview without Met fantasy camp and spent a couple of years with him down there.
01:11:30
Got to know him.
01:11:32
And it's interesting because at Mets fantasy camp, a lot of the guys, the pictures, the young pitchers that he had had sent up through the, you know, up to the majors Doc Gooden and Erick Hillman and Pete sure were in camp, and he always looked at them.
01:11:47
You could tell the pride whenever he was almost like a father looking at his son's.
01:11:52
So this is Al Jackson from Met fantasy camp, talking about a whole range of things.
01:11:56
When we come back, I'm gonna tell you a little story about something, he says in the interview.
01:12:00
So this is Al Jackson from I think it's four years that way.
01:12:05
He met fans can without Jackson Al, You're a hero and the beauty of you being here is pretty much your client picture set, guys that you saw that you work with that when you see you know, short Bowman and A Y all these years later and knowing what they were like ISS young pitchers and seeing them giving back with him, Does that make you feel really think joy, you know, because I saw him in young men and I've seen the growth then where they are now, I think that's the most now.
01:12:42
Well, guys, you worked with various organizations.
01:12:45
Pitching coach who's the one guy that you saw have raw talent, but then you've helped develop is this mountain is the actual art of pitching? Who's the guy that went the furthest from just a workout and then making himself a portable picture.
01:13:02
Well, let's see.
01:13:04
Let me just think because I was just thinking the opposite.
01:13:07
And Dwight Gooden is the opposite.
01:13:09
You know, I came here 17 18 year old kid and seemed Get me 40 years.
01:13:15
You don't stop.
01:13:16
And the rest of it was fairly close.
01:13:22
Street word.
01:13:24
I think this is a custom ability, is there? You can't take shots.
01:13:29
I've never have God throw 98 Dingle going for here? I wouldn't have had that.
01:13:36
I didn't think it was at a time.
01:13:40
My Memphis is turning.
01:13:41
Coaching is teaching the guy who he is and what he has.
01:13:46
How do you know? So I think to me that with so many of the New Age pitching coaches really work on tax, same arm slot back in the day.
01:14:01
You guys look at Lewis Thes guys, they were mechanical, okay? And they were the pictures.
01:14:13
What do you do? You think it's long between coaches to try and make almost like a cookie cutter deliveries? Well, it young picture has to find is delivered now you confined to to his life because he has to do it.
01:14:32
When I saw you try to smooth them out so he won't hurt you.
01:14:36
He's never gonna be perfect.
01:14:38
You know. You can't just change.
01:14:43
A lot of guys don't even know.
01:14:45
So you teach him about that, you know, in a healthy way to do it.
01:14:52
And what about you? You pitching in one game? What was the most you pitch? 15 162? I was.
01:15:05
I was a guy 30 at Revere.
01:15:10
Well, because of my You can't do this.
01:15:16
I got this.
01:15:17
I know I was that same way.
01:15:19
I learned how to pull a specter had mixed adjustments.
01:15:25
No one knows how things and trained hard to do nothing.
01:15:29
My home.
01:15:30
I was a kid.
01:15:32
Have anyone about down, way over, right way on the left.
01:15:37
I should just do it in 30 pitches.
01:15:40
Once you start to be consistent, the one and that one, you will learn.
01:15:46
A lot of guys don't know how you know.
01:15:48
So you must know how to do things, and that makes it easy.
01:15:52
Are you a big proponent of limiting cats? Like what? What? The natural David Stephen Strasburg.
01:15:56
France used injury.
01:15:58
But you know, you think that happened when they get near that 100 pitch mark that that's a no matter where it is in the score, that that's a little bit just like you must train and have a strike.
01:16:14
These people that you're talking about abused themselves really want, we know not of.
01:16:24
The whole process is not sound because they think they construct people.
01:16:30
You can extract you.
01:16:32
It distracts him. Suffer.
01:16:34
Oh, you could do is executed.
01:16:36
If you had that idea that would lead to heart today, then through my work football, right inside, even the scouts of older, older managers and getting some power.
01:16:54
You have people.
01:16:56
That's why so many pickles with room because it's a lot of balls in one book, one of your member too gift.
01:17:21
See, they sometimes use that power.
01:17:30
They're using it to look that way.
01:17:34
You trouble enough to do it, but then you see about something less.
01:17:39
Guys, One thing about it, sometimes he used, But you must happen when you get you will be there too, you know, and you're doing that thing.
01:17:56
You know, I think that that that method that's sound for me, If I'm going to eat, then in the night, then we got one would need, You know, maybe one down.
01:18:09
I'm gonna stay out there.
01:18:11
I want to say that you didn't mean what, and I'm in the night and then tap tonight and I got a one run lead.
01:18:24
We got a man at third.
01:18:25
We got a man, and then we get from the manager.
01:18:31
You really come.
01:18:36
And he's well, that that I give up.
01:18:41
This is my game with best picture you have struck in this guy.
01:18:50
It's one out.
01:18:51
I mean, very good.
01:18:55
I know who said it.
01:19:00
**** Allen was the hitter.
01:19:02
Reason.
01:19:03
That's why you wanted to make you think I was good, right? Make me in a different I knew at the throat that was my game.
01:19:14
And he did.
01:19:15
He had a slow ground ball to third base.
01:19:18
We went for the double trade, but he read it out.
01:19:21
I had you.
01:19:23
I get the next one.
01:19:25
First guy, I came to the plate.
01:19:28
It's about to get home with Jackson again with you.
01:19:38
Got to have decided to be there, you know, and then just bring it back to fantasy camp now as not coaching the kids.
01:19:46
Campers come down.
01:19:48
You see, the just your love of the game.
01:19:51
You know, these guys had a lot of money now play all these games, but when they're out in the field, guys only here for a few days.
01:19:58
But coming together as a team, what does that tell you about the game of baseball itself? It's a boy's getting That's a phrase.
01:20:08
You boys, it's hard not to love this game.
01:20:14
You know, it's hard for you guys, what as a kid, and it's just that, you know, you see these guys here, regardless of the age on that, they're limited tested.
01:20:40
These hasn't stopped, but then last.
01:20:46
A lot of people do that back in the sixties.
01:20:58
Players use Renee's amphetamines, so there's no difference.
01:21:01
Has always been you re with that.
01:21:05
And you think that the guys that performance enhancing drugs should what should not be? Well, that's a tough question.
01:21:13
Yeah, I love this game and you want to do your best you want to do.
01:21:20
That's an individual.
01:21:21
Then who am I to say who have hired to say I didn't think that change, but the guy that does he take his own.
01:21:31
That's what we leave it up you get? Do you really want to thank you? That's how much they do it.
01:21:44
But the guys that got cheated do they have a right to be in the whole thing? Did it do cheating? Hit be slayer that he waas? You really believe that? Wait, no, This is what I can say.
01:22:08
What is it? Nobody's proven to me.
01:22:12
You know, I you know, I don't know what he would have been without passion.
01:22:18
I said, Oh, this is This is I don't have it.
01:22:22
Probably They're disgusting.
01:22:27
Great stuff from out.
01:22:28
Jackson.
01:22:29
What I didn't want to talk about before we go to commercial break Is that in him recounting that 2 to 1 game where Richie Allen came up? You know, sometimes you think that over the years things change and stories get embellished.
01:22:40
I went and checked on baseball reference dot com and he was dead on with what happened.
01:22:45
Um, Richie Allen did hit a ground ball double play ball.
01:22:47
It was an era.
01:22:48
Now Richie didn't beat it out and the Cardinals did come back and win the next inning on a walk off home run, and he was 100% right quick break on the other side will round out the show with Time Tavern, the N B A.
01:22:59
Report, so keep it tuned right here.
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01:24:16
But the person that's here is I am Tavaris here with the N b.
01:24:19
A report each and every week on 5 40 AM Sports talking.
01:24:23
Hi, Emma.
01:24:24
What I want to talk about it's interesting is, you know, Andrew luck again.
01:24:28
You talk about the Knicks, yo, in the lottery and hoping they were gonna get someone, you know, hoping that gang Zion and you know you you tank.
01:24:36
And you hope that you get a player.
01:24:38
You know, the whole suck for luck, and then look where we are with Andrew luck.
01:24:41
You know, a few years down the road, eh? NBA has a little bit of that as well.
01:24:45
Correct? Yeah, Andrew looks free.
01:24:50
Introductory was interesting because he was also news out.
01:24:52
Their career only made it seven years, never played by injury.
01:24:55
The NBA's got a long history of guys who retired early and injury, except what they could have been would have been.
01:25:01
Look, Andrew look was the most highly touted quarterback prospect.
01:25:04
Peyton and Ryan Leaf.
01:25:06
His grades were the highest ever given to a quarterback.
01:25:09
And you see, some guys can't pay.
01:25:12
Hardaway's a guy whose needs just went out.
01:25:14
Tracy McGrady if first immigrated from For those who didn't watch Tracy McGrady in its prime, um, the Orlando Trace, the greater the Houston Tracy McGrady.
01:25:24
Um if he and Kevin Durant went one on one in their prime, I don't know who would win in terms of scoring efficiency and how good they were.
01:25:32
Um, yeah, well, Ming retiring early.
01:25:34
Brandon Roy is the one that jumps to mind in terms of a guy who was on this path to supers****om and in order, cell apart.
01:25:40
But it's none of it was really a sudden the only real sudden retirement or sudden announcement that kind of just shocked the basketball world.
01:25:47
Um, well, I mean to that are kind of an unfortunate end, not in any way applicable.
01:25:54
Comparison.
01:25:55
1000. Petra Vik and Len Bias obviously is right.
01:26:00
Totally different ball game, obviously, but the one that really did to that jumped in mind the ones that just shatter the basketball world.
01:26:06
The retirement out of nowhere.
01:26:08
Michael Jordan the first time around, um, questionable cir***stances around why he retired.
01:26:15
There's a conspiracy version.
01:26:16
There's the, um, media, um, the media fed version.
01:26:22
But Michael Jordan's retirement And then, of course, Magic Johnson, the guy who was on top of the basketball world, Um, the man who was basketball.
01:26:30
That smile was before Air Jordan are jump Man was similar.
01:26:34
Basketball.
01:26:35
Jerry West might be the logo, but Magic Johnson smile was what was everywhere, you know, bringing the game back in the eighties after I was gone.
01:26:43
His retirement.
01:26:44
Also, Those are the two that I can think of.
01:26:46
No, I'm not calling Andrew Luck.
01:26:48
The NFL's Magic Johnson Certainly not calling in the NFL's Michael Jordan.
01:26:53
He was never the best of his position while he was playing quarterback.
01:26:57
There were always, you know, be a Tom Brady.
01:26:59
Be it Aaron Rodgers.
01:27:00
Patrick home in the last year has always been somebody bet on the Andrew Luck, but what he was in the prospect and as good as he wasn't an NFL player.
01:27:08
The only guys who were tired that suddenly Magic and Michael, it's interesting.
01:27:14
And again, it's one of those cautionary tales you know, everyone was looking at, you know, the passing of the torch from Peyton on toe.
01:27:23
No luck in the you know, they're gonna continue being one of the elite teams in football and, you know, ends up with him being booed off a field, which I felt was totally unwarranted by the fan.
01:27:33
Yeah, disgusting.
01:27:34
I mean, the guy didn't give his heart and soul.
01:27:36
So, uh, interesting stuff.
01:27:38
I do appreciate it and a comparison.
01:27:40
And it's definitely a good topic for tonight.
01:27:42
We will see you in two weeks.
01:27:44
As you know, we're off next week for the holiday, and then, Ah, we're getting a little close to the basketball.
01:27:48
So we're looking forward to your insight for the entire season time.
01:27:51
Talbert here each and every week on 5 40 Sports talk New York and rounding out.
01:27:56
I just want the thank once our guest again, our in studio guest, Phil Greiss.
01:28:00
And I also wanna thank a Jay and Ryan for not being here.
01:28:03
Gave Phil a better seat than the last time he was here, so that was good.
01:28:07
Um, that's like the meanest compliment.
01:28:09
You know, I've had some meter ones.
01:28:12
I think the interesting thing is that a J was probably like 35 or 40 when all these clips we heard tonight were actually add the first time, right? Rick about Okay, they simmer down.
01:28:25
You got a whole week off.
01:28:28
That's why I could say that.
01:28:30
All right? So most likely, we will probably re air this show next week.
01:28:35
Um, it's pretty timely for the stuff we're talking about.
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I think it I don't think it will be stale by next week and we'll see everyone in two weeks after the the heart to say the official end of summer Kind of, But we're moving into Ah, new territory.
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