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quantum for, but perfect.
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Uh huh.
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All right.
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Welcome back, Thio.
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SportsCastr news with your host Matt Brooks and Adam are Brick.
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Adam, how you doing today? I think we got a fun topic.
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Yeah.
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Listen, we wonder what things were gonna come out as we go towards draft.
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And now against some of those details around what is gonna look like in the cap and all that other stuff we get to dive into and see how it impacts some of these teams that are close to or even over the luxury tax? Oh, yeah.
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Big news bomb.
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Everything kind of seems like we know what? What what's happening when we have, ah, free agency.
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Basically looking at starting with the 20th.
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That's I believe what they agreed upon, which is kind of what we touched on.
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We did a full episode of basketball and mawr on Sunday, which you should absolutely check out.
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That's on my channel kind of going over some of the proposed dates.
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All these dates are basically now locked in, so we have free agency happening on the 20th.
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Um, it seems like the trade moratorium is going to be lifted so you can actually start making trades that's supposed to happen 2 to 3 days before they haven't locked that in.
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I know Zach Lowe is on record for saying it's going to be absolute madness or something along those lines.
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So we have to be ready for that 12 1.
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It's Yeah.
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I mean, I think it's gonna be lifted.
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Teams have had eight months to kind of figure out what they wanna dio eso.
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We have that happening in basically a week, which is gonna be exciting on day.
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One of the big things that we have really solidified with them, you know, coming to terms with the salary cap.
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And, you know, I guess artificially deflating is not the word I'm looking for, you know, bringing down, reducing a little bit of the top end of the salary cap, a little bit air out of that bubble.
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Yeah, so I guess they're reducing it by 30% at least in terms of if you're way deep into the luxury tax.
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Um, there is a reduction.
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And that benefits a certain team that has enjoyed salary cap reductions.
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Inflation's previously, and that is the Golden State Warriors who, of course, were able to sign Kevin Durant because of a once in a lifetime, you know, salary cap, you know, shenanigan.
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And now, now we're here today, so, look, I mean, they have a trade exception worth 17.
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5 million.
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Andi and I don't know, I wanna kind of bouncing your way.
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What do you think? Like, do you think they're gonna beam or less aggressive? How do you think this affect their off season? And is there anybody you have circle? Yes.
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It was funny because we were trying to just gather all the numbers and information around this.
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One of the one of the nuggets that you that you pulled in was, of course, it can't be combined with a player salaries.
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So you can't do this weird thing where they dumped the $29 million cap it off Wiggins onto another team and has 17.
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2 million, and they're bringing in another elite superstar level talent.
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But even at that s so it's interesting to may I think the mawr, the Wiggins piece is the little little bit more intriguing to me.
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As far as Golden State goes, anything they're gonna do ahead of the draft or after the draft, whatever the case, May Day, because it's a really big number.
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I think that whether or not they feel like they could continue to develop him because he arguably has looked at least better, which wasn't a high, you know, high bar to set as far as how he started his career.
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But it's a big number.
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If they could just dump that off the books that, in and of itself would be an accomplishment for them.
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When you talk about the 17.
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2, we start to run through some of these players.
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You know, close to that, as you pointed out, like Aaron Gordon is just north of 19.
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So you know, some finagling potentially there to utilize and maybe get into that kind of caliber of player.
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But, you know, listen, you know Julius Randle is making almost 19 year on the book.
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A bond Donna Vich is coming in at 17.8.
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Like these are the names.
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So it's interesting, right? As tantalizing as that sounds.
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And maybe they won't like some of the closest ones would be you got Rubio making 17 million.
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You got 15.
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I'm just like looking at the like.
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Running through these as Faras who actually would fit that number for the Eric Bledsoe from the you know, arguably is diminish some of his value with his plate.
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Potentially, at least that's the way the league is kind of looking at it.
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So, yeah, those air.
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There are players and numbers that add up, and also are those are those are those players that that the warriors looking to go? Oh, that's the That's the key guy.
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We need to spend almost 18 17 $18 million on to improve our roster.
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I It's interesting.
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I do are their names that really jump out to you? Because at this stage, I look at it more as again the Wiggins, What are we doing there? And then we could look to capitalize on this exemption.
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Apologies.
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He's if I'm looking this way.
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This is where my this is one of the basketball reference pages with salaries and stuff like that.
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Um, yeah.
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I mean, some of the guys that, like I'm looking at our you know, it's like the fat young's of the world.
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Um, not huge needle movers.
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I do think they need some size with wing and like, that's their their biggest need right now.
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You need to replace that Iguodala like pretty pretty desperately.
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So that's easier said than done, right? Like, you know, you're not obviously gonna get somebody the same caliber.
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But you do need somebody with that positional versus ality, especially on defense, because you're really missing that.
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So you want to splash a little later? You kind of get into.
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Yeah, Larry Nance is interesting.
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I like Larry Nance.
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I have him written down.
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I'm doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I like him a lot.
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I mean, I think what you could do is you could do like a Larry Nance, and you could try to pair him with one of these, you know, smaller salaries on, You know, it seems like Cleveland and Andi and, you know, I mean, just kind of do what you got to do with that s Oh, so I don't know.
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I mean, it's it's a tricky situation, like the teams that, like the guys that I would look at her like Okay.
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Like, is it James Johnson? Is that somebody that's really gonna move the needle? I don't know.
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And also like he very well feels like a buyout guy at the deadline.
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Like a lot of the guys that I like, like Trevor Ariza.
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It's like that guy is probably a buyout guy, like So I mean, it's Are you really using your trade exception on that is not really gonna move the needle for you.
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I mean, I guess if that's the guy that you're like, we need to bring in James Johnson, we will, you know, outbid the market by out market like I don't know.
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It's so I mean, the ones that I like or just kind of Yeah, they're kind of few and far between.
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It's It's the Thad Young to the world, the Larry Nance, the world.
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I do like uber a lot.
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I really like you pray for them.
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That's not a bad one either.
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And well and so.
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But here's the other part of it, though you mentioned about like at the trade deadline and maybe by opportunities like you're also talking about how these players air looked at some of these guys, even even some of the lesser names you're throwing out there.
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But even or maybe a because you're saying Larry Nance.
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Where the what You have to add into that lower level prospects younger guys that you're gonna send back over in terms of just giving value back to Cleveland like that needle moves as well throughout the course of the season.
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The asking price gets a little bit different when you come in pre draft or pre beginning of the season next month.
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Well, that means that you're really looking to get these guys.
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You're looking to solidify your roster heading into the season as opposed to waiting and seeing how things play out and that to me again.
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E don't wanna tie in the Wiggins piece on every on every part of it.
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But as they move through the year, they may find okay, identifying Player X and then saying, How do we shift off this money toe one team? How do we use that exemption on another for another player and balance things out? And you may be able to get something on the on the cheap.
00:07:50
To the dismay of a lot of fans of leaks, I know basically also the overarching theme here is that already it's the rumblings of people being upset.
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The fact that somehow the Golden State Warriors are going to stand to benefit from some of this new structuring that goes on.
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Listen, it is what it is.
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The Brooklyn Nets are gonna benefit from this.
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The Boston Celtics, the 70 Sixers, who are the current four teams that air into the luxury tax.
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But as they had the cap stand flat and just a hair over 109 million, there's gonna be other teams.
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They're going to surge into that as well.
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So this structure is gonna allow to bring those teams back under the luxury tax.
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And then, yes, The'keeper's that were already existing in that realm are gonna fall down into that, too.
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So I don't know, I think, unfortunately, there's not a lot of players out there at that like this.
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Classic jokes we've always used.
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When you get paid in the NFL, Christian McCaffrey gets his big contract extension.
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You go also.
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You know you got that.
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You got that borderline Larry Nance Jr money, and this is like a premier star at the end in the NFL game, and he has the equivalent of saying, Oh, you got the Evan 48 money.
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Good for you.
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Buddy s so good for you.
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So you know, it's like that.
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That 17.
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2 is a big number and also in relative terms, doesn't get you where you need to be.
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Especially you can't combine another player and a salary in that deal.
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That's what breaks this thing up in terms of being able to go after, say, as slight is that difference? Maybe? And Aaron Gordon, where it's only three million more, But we can't.
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We don't even have that flexibility has existed Train now.
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So I'm doing a little doing a little research on the fly because I'm curious about different because it could go about this, um, what they could do.
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So here's the advantage of bringing in somebody like like like, oh, why would you bring in a new Reza who you could just get us a buyout guy? You could bring in a reason, right? And then you could use a Reza and maybe a pick because they have some nice pick equity and you could take those two and then you could package those two for an Aaron Gordon.
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That's kind of that's a different route.
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I think that's super interesting.
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This is from hoops rumors dot com by Luke Adams, who is actually I read Luke Adams is really good.
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I read him alive.
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So, um, that is a really interesting way to go back.
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Its it's a big advantage.
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I mean, you know, there's a lot of different ways they could go with it.
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So does that mean if they use the exemption money to bring in Arreaza? Then that's done.
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And they can turn around and repackage that in a new way in another trade, right? So even to that extent, then you're talking about so you like you're throwing out of reasons like find the most valuable piece underneath that number.
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Whatever it looks like, whatever player is, even if it doesn't have value to your team specifically, and then it gets me back to my Wiggins piece where you go and now I can combine these so you could even look at, like maybe a more valuable player that will be offered that said, a lower in a significantly lower number, even a Larry Nance Jr.
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Though I think you could have value on that roster in particular.
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But whoever it may be, E.
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Patrick Beverly here and other guys.
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But you say it's Dion.
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Waiters.
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Who cares? I'm just for the sake of argument and 12.
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5 million.
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Okay, use it on him.
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And now try to find a way that you can package and dump with some assets, the Wiggins and the waiters and move it off.
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And that's how you get away from another big contract in a multi step process as opposed to Yeah, loopholes, right? Oh, I can't if I can't just put Wiggins in this deal and send it over with the exemption money to get a player back in, I'll do it in a couple of phases, and they can still accomplish that goal.
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That's the way that they wanna go.
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But that's interesting, too, though its right to think like you can just acquire an asset of a reasonable number package it move, and I don't know if that would be right.
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Second overall pick for them like they are sitting high at the draft so you could take a Reza and that number to pick and get a player that you really want, which you probably even a little bit higher than Aaron Gordon if you had a player in mind, for sure, I mean, that's the thing like you could really get a number to pick if you're a team that's in a transition phase, or just even a team that's fully at the bottom like this is a pretty unique situation.
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So just kind of like talking through this, I'd almost expect them to use the trade exception and everybody goes, Huh? Like, Why would they bring in James Johnson like? That's a weird.
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It's a weird That's what you use this on.
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And then on draft night.
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Oh, James Johnson in the second overall pick are headed Thio Orlando for Aaron Gordon.
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And it's like, OK, something's going on here because I mean Aaron Gordon would make some sense.
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I don't love e don't love having him next to dream on his two guys.
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That can't shoot at all.
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But I mean, you know, like I do think that that is, it's gonna work like that.
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There's gonna it's something's gonna happen.
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There's gonna be things flying on draft night, and it just seems like they're up to something, you know what I mean? There's just been so much disinformation from their their camp regarding their what they're doing in there.
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Pick.
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They like every player in the draft, you know? They're they're picking this guy.
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Oh, they're not trading the pick or their trading the pick.
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It just there up the stuff.
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And they have this huge financial advantage that came from that Iguodala trade.
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So they're going to use it.
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You know what I mean? Like, it's just I don't It's It's a huge trade exception.
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They'd be silly not to try to packages in just something.
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Because when you get into that 17 to $20 million range like you're getting a riel, a real deal contributor, there's a really good chance of getting that, like 1/4 or fifth starter on a championship team.
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I really think you could get that now, when you're talking about, you know, players that they could be looking at and maybe not in the pull it in package and flip scenario, the Houston Rockets air in the real amorphous state, not 100% sure they are.
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They stripping it down with a building it up.
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Are they gonna maybe move on from some of the some components there on that roster? like you could go and look a look at acquiring a Robert Covington who would give them upside on the at the wing position.
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Defensive upside Onley.
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$12 million.
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Cap it there.
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And you could just hold with that if you wanted to.
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And by the way, and then even if you didn't want a package, Ah, guy like Covington might have more value to send somewhere else than, say, in Arreaza or a bigger number that you have available to you there.
00:14:10
So I But I wonder about Do you think that there, any of those lower level guys like let's say, like that just happened to fall into that 12 10, you know, even sub ones that are specifically, I'll say, defensively minded that the Golden State Warriors would look to go after and then and obviously has to be specifically around teams that are in that right position of looking to move off of contracts that don't think they're gonna be competitive that, you know, see a Player X as being far less valuable than getting a number two overall pick.
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I mean, yeah, that's a thing.
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Like if you have the number two overall pick I'm just curious to see how elite of a wing are you going to get, like, Like, what is that? What is that? What's the stratosphere that that's putting you in? Um, Covington, is I? The thing with Houston is I do think they're trying to be competitive like everything.
00:15:06
Everything that we've heard so far and everything that Stone has made clear is that they are going to be competitive and they and then it becomes toe like All right, So which bad team has the best? You know, Wing like who is which bad team has got somebody that's just like toiling away.
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And I don't know, like a lot of the A lot of teams that are very good in this league are not very good defensively, like it's just like it's kind of a reality.
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One correlation there about being good in the league and having zero roster.
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So it's like, What are you gonna like go for? Like Harrison Barnes is like that.
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The trade that you're gonna be swinging like, Why are you giving up assets for Harrison Barnes like it is really? I don't know.
00:15:49
I don't know what the right move is for them like there's already just not that many wings by nature like so I mean, I disclaimer I'm doing a video for my YouTube channel, which I'm hopefully getting down this weekend and, you know, it's it's a trades type of video and I'm gonna be honest, most of the trades they're gonna be the same players that the Warriors they're gonna be hunting now in this number to pick.
00:16:14
Um, just for the Nets.
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Eso And it's the market's pretty thin.
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Like if there's not too many teams that are willing to trade away a really good wing, um, you know at all like they're just not mostly seems really need their wings.
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They're actually wanting Mawr Wings than they already have, like, you know, So it's, I don't know.
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It's a really tricky thing.
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Now I have to clarify around the bird rights, and if that impacts the trade exemption at all, But I'm only I'm scrolling through and thinking about veteran players potentially that have at least a respectable defensive upside as well.
00:16:50
Would a what a Rudy Gay from the Spurs tantalize you? It all in an opportunity like that to bring him into the Golden State Warriors roster.
00:16:59
No, I'm not.
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I'm I've been pretty firmly out on Rudy, Rudy Gay this year.
00:17:05
Auto Porter, if he was healthy, makes like $28 million.
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So I don't know what you would dio but like, Yeah, that's ridiculous.
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But like, would he be a Wiggins trade? I don't know.
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It's just it's not.
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It's not a friendly market like they're not.
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It's It's really tricky for them.
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It's just it's really tricky.
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It's weird that Aaron Gordon like it just keeps coming back, and I just I can't help but think like, God, That just kind of feels like the obvious trade for them, like, forever.
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That was the Nets trade, and now I'm just kind of like it.
00:17:40
It does kind of feel like the obvious move for the Warriors now is to just you're gonna over pay for Aaron Gordon.
00:17:46
But you put it next to Steph and Clay and, like, maybe his three point shooting looks much better because, by the way, when you're playing with on Orlando and your best three point shooter is Nikola Vuckovic, like your percentages are gonna hurt in that way.
00:18:00
So I don't know.
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I would take a swing on something like that.
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He is a really, really outstanding defender.
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Like one of the better defenders in the league.
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In his position.
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Any, uh I'm pumping through names here.
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I'm just trying to scan.
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I want to get something that Brooks goes.
00:18:15
Oh, yeah? Do you assume that the Denver Nuggets want to bring back Jeremy Grant that that they want to keep him in the fold there? Um, yeah, I I think I mean again.
00:18:27
Like, that's another one where you're like God, like he would be great for the Warriors.
00:18:30
But Denver, like Denver, is looking at next year in the year after that, thinking we have a chance to win it like we are now, the curve that we thought we were gonna hit in a year or two.
00:18:41
We're hitting now, like Jamal Murray is taking the leap.
00:18:44
Nicola, you know Yokich is there.
00:18:47
And if we could get Michael Porter Jr toe to start, just he doesn't need to be a star right away.
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But if he could be a really reliable offensive contributor and just at least survive offensively defensively, like all of a sudden, they're looking at themselves like, Hey, we might We might have something here.
00:19:02
We got to retain Jeremy Grant.
00:19:04
Maybe we can try to upgrade Gary Harris and I don't know.
00:19:08
And a bull bull and some pics for Drew Holiday or we just run with, you know, Gary Harris.
00:19:15
Ah, Bowl bowl.
00:19:17
Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, does that list in that trade exemption In terms of the restrictions around it, you can't package a player with it, But can they package a pick with the trade exemption? I don't believe so.
00:19:29
No e because And by the way, I wouldn't think that they would say, Well, give the second overall pick to get Jeremy Grant back in.
00:19:36
But that would be like the needle mover for a Denver if you were maybe closer to 10 than Thio.
00:19:41
You know, one in terms of where you're picking in the draft, then you could probably move the needle, maybe for Denver.
00:19:45
If they said Okay, Jeremy Grant, those represent this for us, but we can improve over here in this area where we can expand out beyond that.
00:19:52
So that would maybe be the enticing way of a player that is probably valuable to a team when you're looking around the league and you could still okay from a solid piece for the past because I also don't know like Jeremy Grant looked amazing, obviously down in the bubble, and you saw his value.
00:20:12
But is that bubble? Is that bubble? You know, inflation? Was he because his profile as big and as high as it's probably ever going to be in his career? Probably right.
00:20:21
And maybe his best value is to Denver.
00:20:25
Boy, if you're Denver, you have to kind of look big picture and say, Well, if we're not going to bring them back on a substantial contract here and we do have Otto Porter Jr we have the other pieces that are obviously gonna represent a big chunk of our salary.
00:20:35
At some point, we have to maybe at least consider the idea of striking while the iron is hot, getting maximum value for this player while still helping ourselves build for a wind now ready mentality.
00:20:47
I also think with Jeremy Grant, like again.
00:20:49
That's exactly he's exactly what Denver needs.
00:20:51
They probably need one more.
00:20:53
They wish they could clone, you know, like, and then you're just using that number to pick or either trying to find, I guess, like another star like, but, you know, not really the right draft to do that.
00:21:06
Maybe you roll it over or you try to get that that pic from the Timberwolves next year.
00:21:12
But again, like, I don't know, like your also your short term plan like then and you're saying and by the way will be will be Jeremy Grant Lis, and we'll have a year before we bring in any way.
00:21:22
By the way, I've said this about, you know, it's true in the MBA, depending on the draft class like these are all for all intensive purposes.
00:21:29
Like maybe the bust on you know, the upper echelon guys is a smaller window than, say, in the NFL.
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But these air still all unknown, eh? NBA commodities like you don't know what the draft picks are going to be at the n B a level.
00:21:43
So when you make a move like this, any team leap, especially Denver, you're saying I know what Grant is.
00:21:50
I don't know what this pick is going to be for us.
00:21:52
I don't know what what that player is gonna look like and how they're gonna contribute within reason.
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Right? And you have to kind of least set that that floor for yourself of saying, Worst case scenario, the asset that we get back is going to turn into contributor X.
00:22:05
You know, now they're sealing their that we hope we get up to, of course.
00:22:08
But if you can't find that guy that you identify, feel really confident about then and listen, this is a fun conversation to have.
00:22:14
But I'm far more on your side that than not of.
00:22:17
I think Denver feels like, Wow, we just showed up a lot sooner than we thought we were going. Thio.
00:22:22
Let's just see what we can accomplish here and see if the Clippers the Rockets, are coming down to Earth like there's a lot of teams that are coming back to the pack.
00:22:29
Maybe we could take a jump out in front of them now.
00:22:31
Yeah, I mean, it would be like like all the again, like right now, all the guys that I would really say, Hey, I think I want to trade a number and it feels weird to trade a number two pick for somebody That's not a star.
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It just does.
00:22:45
But, um, all of the guys that I think I would think about doing that for are you know, they're on good teams like we're months away from them being like, Yeah, we should trade Robert Covington like this.
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This is not our year.
00:23:03
So most of these teams air coming into next year they're looking at.
00:23:07
By the way, there was an article that we nearly talked about, or or a topic we nearly talked about with the Lakers, where they're going to rest their players for the first month.
00:23:15
Best believe that's going to affect the standings for them like that, there's a good chance the Lakers air like the four seed in the West.
00:23:23
You know, I don't know if fans air in Arenas might not mean anything.
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There's a good chance they're probably not there.
00:23:30
And I think that the NBA is kind of reason with that, you know, even in the playoffs.
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But if they don't, if for some reason that happens, they don't have home court advantage.
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I don't know, and by the way they're going to go through a tougher road because of that.
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So that's that's a tricky situation.
00:23:47
I don't know how that's gonna play out.
00:23:49
Um, I don't know how it works.
00:23:51
Are they going to rush back and try to play? You can kind of talk yourself into Hey, maybe this is our year.
00:23:56
If you're the Houston Rockets or you're the Denver Nuggets, there's no reason to help out.
00:24:01
By the way, a competitors in your own conference.
00:24:05
There's no reason most of the most of the names, I guess, that we mentioned like Larry Nance Jr in there, but a lot of the players we're talking about are all guys on Western Conference teams.
00:24:13
Even the likes of you mentioned Kelly.
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You break great like awesome also, though like, and I know that he's like a piece that they did find without so Phoenix.
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Wanting to move him is totally is totally understandable.
00:24:23
And also, though, it's Phoenix trying to send it to a team member.
00:24:26
Phoenix at the back end of making the playoffs with the Golden State Warriors, who weren't even in the playoff picture this past year.
00:24:32
So you want to try to help them, you re cement themselves in the hierarchy and potentially be saying we just made our road to the playoffs that much more difficult by sending a valuable piece, 2 to 1 in conference opponent, for sure.
00:24:44
And like since, as we said, like, you're not, I don't believe you're able to pair a draft tasked with this trade exception.
00:24:50
I mean, maybe you are. I was looking for that.
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I was unable to find that.
00:24:53
So if you are, then yeah, maybe it does make sense to do that.
00:24:56
And by the way, if you're Phoenix, you're getting the number two pick for Kelly.
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You break.
00:25:01
You didn't even need in the bubble like, Okay, that's that's a great trade.
00:25:07
But, you know, I mean, I think I think that the warriors are gonna have a lot of their sleeve.
00:25:15
Um, it sure feels like there's gonna be.
00:25:19
They'll be making multiple moves.
00:25:21
I would expect a head scratcher and then an immediate move right after being like, Oh, interesting.
00:25:28
And there's only so many players that that makes sense for, um, it just it's not that many.
00:25:33
It's Are you reuniting with Harrison Barnes is out.
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The move is or is gonna be something else along the lines, so we'll see it will be. It's exciting.
00:25:44
And you know what? Harrison Barnes wouldn't be the worst option for them.
00:25:49
No, eso again is we're talking about, like with the second overall pick.
00:25:52
Now, we're not against the murky waters about who you're bringing in for for that type of, uh, of capital.
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Even if you massage it through, you know, through that prism.
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Um, but you're But I think you're right.
00:26:01
In the instincts of like, this is a multi move scenario for the Golden State Warriors to get to whatever their ultimate goal is whatever player they want to finally get in the door for.
00:26:11
For a lot of the restrictions around that I need to go through.
00:26:13
And just from the how do we acquire the most tradable valuable asset that other teams leader? And by the way, these are those quiet, as we said 12 01 All of a sudden, all the information starts flying these air, the conversations that they've been used Orlando is the example.
00:26:29
Aaron Gordon.
00:26:30
Okay, Orlando, what do you What do you want back here? Like, what is the piece that you're looking for? Potentially, that we can go out and acquire through our trade exemption and then bring back over and filter over to you.
00:26:40
So that's the way that a lot of this is, I think going to play out for Golden State if they're looking to the other.
00:26:44
The other thing is to I know like I'm sure it's, you know, if you don't if you don't use it, you lose it kind of scenario, creating that of creating that exemption around Iguodala like, I also think that the Golden State Warriors Air Smart organization and it's going to be about the right opportunity.
00:26:58
Like, Do they wanna leave it out there on the vine and just have that money die? Of course not.
00:27:02
And also, if it isn't, it isn't ultimately gonna get to the place of being able to package something with the number two and get Player X whatever.
00:27:10
Then I wouldn't be surprised if maybe they use it on something that's far significantly lower than that $17 million number, but is a piece that they just solely bring in and is a contributor because again there are they're already built roster to be competitive for another championship, like I know you know, prison prisoner of the moment.
00:27:26
We all forget that they existed in a lot of ways because of the injuries this past year.
00:27:30
But they're gonna be right back in the top four seed conversation, Three seed conversation.
00:27:36
I don't with some of these younger teams where they end up in the hierarchy, but they're gonna be right there.
00:27:40
And by the way, we talk about trade these assets around inside of the conference, potentially to remember the N B. A.
00:27:46
Is approaching this this season and saying, we're gonna have a lot of these two and three games Siri's over the course of the weekend.
00:27:51
So when you talk about the and you're probably gonna have mawr in conference competition that you are gonna have outside, like, I think that that the full blown schedule be interesting as they start to break that down.
00:28:00
So now you're also saying you're gonna You know, if you're the Suns and you're making a move when you're gonna have you may end up having to face them more frequently this year than you did any other year.
00:28:09
And likewise for the warriors going out.
00:28:11
So you know, the predraft pre started the season moves are interesting.
00:28:18
And I just wonder how many teams I just have this conversation with Doug about how many teams that Aaron ready win now mode are going to say, Let's just say like, Let's just see how we start our here.
00:28:30
Let's see what some of these young teams that bubbled up, you know, down in Orlando, What do they look like at the start of this season? Where do we look like E? I do think there is some level of, like, taking the temperature of your roster and your team in the first month of the season, say, and then go.
00:28:44
Okay, we definitely need something.
00:28:46
Or maybe it turns out we can wait for the next big off season on.
00:28:50
Let's let this cap and everything start to level out again, as we hope it will, with revenue, etcetera.
00:28:54
Right.
00:28:55
So, like it's going to be a mixed bag, and I think you'll get a real indication about certain teams like the Warriors.
00:29:00
If they make a big move very quickly over the next year, basically 7 to 10 days, they could also hold on to the trade exception.
00:29:09
So you can you can roll that over to the deadline.
00:29:12
Yeah, that's a great exact Like that's what I mean, like, so that's a scenario, just waiting and then saying, and by the way, we still have that money.
00:29:19
It still exists your argument that supports your argument of being like, Let's just come in and see what we have.
00:29:25
Um, and also not the guy Number two, by the way, and say like, maybe he's not a guy that we actually need right now on.
00:29:31
We just have this young rookie who puts on a great display up to the trade deadline.
00:29:35
They go, Thank you so much for sure.
00:29:38
And like the thing is, is like, You could make a case with how weird the draft is.
00:29:43
Is that the player that you draft that doesn't always happen actually usually see like the The idea of having the whatever the number two pick is more enticing than the player itself.
00:29:56
I don't I don't think that's the thing this year.
00:29:58
I don't like what do you you're getting most people view.
00:30:03
This is like you're drafting a project, so now you're in a situation, and by the way, I think if the player they draft like, looks legitimately good.
00:30:11
I don't know.
00:30:12
Like what? They really have the strength to deal that player at the deadline.
00:30:17
I don't know.
00:30:18
I don't know if I could see it.
00:30:19
I mean, maybe, but I I do think to a degree like other states, Yeah, like they also like, kind of cut from that spurs cloth like, Are they going to say, Oh, this is our CO I like we were good, like, let's just keep this and we'll go for it like if it doesn't happen, then whatever.
00:30:35
Maybe we could get this guy to contribute this year as a rookie or the year after that.
00:30:39
Um, it's really tricky, I don't know, but I will say this like I do think they're gonna use it.
00:30:45
I don't know if it's gonna happen right away, and, you know, they have a lot of options, and that is that is a frightening thing for the rest of, and that's what's so that's It's so enraging for the rest of the league.
00:30:56
Conversely, they have a lot of problems with their roster, a lot, a lot of problems and there are a lot of things that as much as I like them.
00:31:05
They have got a lot to figure out because right now they're absolutely reeling from the years and years and years of basically being built around four players and, you know, and now they're in a situation where they've taken the money.
00:31:19
That was that went to Kevin Durant and they moved that for D'Angelo Russell, which was then turned into to Andrew Wiggins, which, yes, I get that they gotta pick. That's amazing.
00:31:29
And I do think there's a chance like they might just take these two pics and say, Hey, this is just gonna be us building for the next era.
00:31:36
But they still I mean, it's still that Kevin Durant.
00:31:38
Many ended up being into one of the worst contracts in the league. Just did.
00:31:43
Just did so, you know.
00:31:45
I mean, it's they They have a lot to figure out.
00:31:50
They have a lot to figure out and that roster.
00:31:55
There's many steps that need to be taken, but things like this to help them quite a bit.
00:31:59
Well, yeah, and in that regard, the last point I'll make is, as you said, like the Golden State Warriors have been a well run organization.
00:32:05
I don't think they're going to be taken by surprise that they are getting older.
00:32:09
That the roster does have holds on it.
00:32:11
And there's that the long term view of even how you use the trade exemption of even how you use that number to pick.
00:32:17
It has to be about kind of replenishing that town and pull a little bit, because remember, they are built on drafting like these are they're drafted players that they built around in one championships with.
00:32:28
They brought in Kevin Durant, obviously, for a spell there.
00:32:30
But all these guys are drafted players for them, so they obviously fundamentally believe in building through the draft.
00:32:37
And I believe they're scouting department and finding the talent.
00:32:39
So that's another reason to think that even at the number two overall pick, it might be in the short term.
00:32:45
We're going to stand on.
00:32:46
What we have is we're currently constructed and try to make us some small moves with the exemption, maybe the deadline, and then this number two guy.
00:32:52
Yeah, he's the first piece that we use moving forward to make sure that beyond Steph Curry and Klay Thompson and Green, we're gonna be able to have sustained, sustained success.
00:33:01
Yeah.
00:33:02
I mean, you know, and you could you could use this on a younger player, this exceptional younger player that you feel like.
00:33:07
Hey, this is a bridge.
00:33:09
You know, it's not like a bridge star, but a bridge role player.
00:33:12
That then makes sense for this team but also carries over to the next generation of whatever the warriors are, so I don't know.
00:33:18
It's interesting, Um, kind of anxiously awaiting all this to start.
00:33:22
I think we're all everybody's held in the balance by this.
00:33:25
This, uh, this undetermined period of just being like, Hey, we need these trade windows to be open.
00:33:31
It seems like a lot of teams of already locked in trades, um, and and definitely locked in free agent signings.
00:33:38
So we're just waiting.
00:33:40
We're gonna be doing this all week.
00:33:42
We're gonna be doing this all week.
00:33:44
We're gonna be talking rumors that the rumors that the rumors they're gonna be teams leaking stuff, they're gonna be agents leaking stuff.
00:33:51
I expect us to be very busy and have a lot to talk about.
00:33:54
So thank you guys all for watching Adam.
00:33:56
Do you have anything coming up today or the next couple of days, you can check out the Nets Channel still here, which will get obviously back into the play by play coverage as the season kicks off.
00:34:06
But I'm gonna take a look at some information around, uh, Jared Allen and what the cost to retain him is gonna be for Brooklyn and how that plays in the decisions that they're gonna make, whether pre or even during the season leading up to the deadline.
00:34:18
So I'm gonna take a look at that young star that I am incredibly Fondo of and also have concerns about whether or not he'll he'll be a member of the Brooklyn Nets in the long term.
00:34:27
Yeah, $80 million.
00:34:29
That report I should like.
00:34:31
I don't know about that one.
00:34:34
Uh, is a good agent, I'll tell you that.
00:34:36
But she's got a great age.
00:34:37
I'm like, that's that's That's what you need to do.
00:34:40
It's so funny when you have, like, one contract inflating the entire market like that.
00:34:44
Every single room running center should just be like I want the Capello money.
00:34:48
I guess what I want.
00:34:49
Well, that's their names.
00:34:50
You write that like for like, we were like, Oh, that's what Across the board, that's what any of these guys are gonna cost.
00:34:56
You like Yep. That's right.
00:34:58
Yeah.
00:34:59
So we're starting early on that, so Yeah, definitely.
00:35:02
Go check that out.
00:35:03
I will be doing some draft research this week.
00:35:06
I have a guy coming on Thursday for a draft show that I need to prep quite a bit.
00:35:11
So eso that'll be good.
00:35:13
I'm not much of a draft guy, which is why I'm That is why I have my show.
00:35:18
I have people that come on and talk about, you know, teams draft things that they know about better than I do.
00:35:25
So, um yeah. Check that out.
00:35:27
Stay tuned for that, and we'll be back throughout this week.
00:35:30
I'll be on solo tomorrow. 10.
00:35:32
30.
00:35:33
Me and Adam will be back Thursday.
00:35:35
10. 30.
00:35:36
Thank you guys for watching Peaster
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Golden State Warriors big winners in CBA rule change, other teams upset

The NBA and the players’ union have already come to terms on the amended CBA for the upcoming 2020-21 season. Brian Windhorst of ESPN suggests the Golden State Warriors will benefit significantly from the agreements and other teams are not happy about about these developments. This is possibly a significant victory for the Warriors and […]

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quantum for, but perfect.
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Uh huh.
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All right.
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Welcome back, Thio.
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SportsCastr news with your host Matt Brooks and Adam are Brick.
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Adam, how you doing today? I think we got a fun topic.
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Yeah.
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Listen, we wonder what things were gonna come out as we go towards draft.
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And now against some of those details around what is gonna look like in the cap and all that other stuff we get to dive into and see how it impacts some of these teams that are close to or even over the luxury tax? Oh, yeah.
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Big news bomb.
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Everything kind of seems like we know what? What what's happening when we have, ah, free agency.
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Basically looking at starting with the 20th.
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That's I believe what they agreed upon, which is kind of what we touched on.
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We did a full episode of basketball and mawr on Sunday, which you should absolutely check out.
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That's on my channel kind of going over some of the proposed dates.
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All these dates are basically now locked in, so we have free agency happening on the 20th.
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Um, it seems like the trade moratorium is going to be lifted so you can actually start making trades that's supposed to happen 2 to 3 days before they haven't locked that in.
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I know Zach Lowe is on record for saying it's going to be absolute madness or something along those lines.
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So we have to be ready for that 12 1.
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It's Yeah.
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I mean, I think it's gonna be lifted.
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Teams have had eight months to kind of figure out what they wanna dio eso.
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We have that happening in basically a week, which is gonna be exciting on day.
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One of the big things that we have really solidified with them, you know, coming to terms with the salary cap.
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And, you know, I guess artificially deflating is not the word I'm looking for, you know, bringing down, reducing a little bit of the top end of the salary cap, a little bit air out of that bubble.
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Yeah, so I guess they're reducing it by 30% at least in terms of if you're way deep into the luxury tax.
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Um, there is a reduction.
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And that benefits a certain team that has enjoyed salary cap reductions.
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Inflation's previously, and that is the Golden State Warriors who, of course, were able to sign Kevin Durant because of a once in a lifetime, you know, salary cap, you know, shenanigan.
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And now, now we're here today, so, look, I mean, they have a trade exception worth 17.
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5 million.
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Andi and I don't know, I wanna kind of bouncing your way.
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What do you think? Like, do you think they're gonna beam or less aggressive? How do you think this affect their off season? And is there anybody you have circle? Yes.
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It was funny because we were trying to just gather all the numbers and information around this.
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One of the one of the nuggets that you that you pulled in was, of course, it can't be combined with a player salaries.
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So you can't do this weird thing where they dumped the $29 million cap it off Wiggins onto another team and has 17.
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2 million, and they're bringing in another elite superstar level talent.
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But even at that s so it's interesting to may I think the mawr, the Wiggins piece is the little little bit more intriguing to me.
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As far as Golden State goes, anything they're gonna do ahead of the draft or after the draft, whatever the case, May Day, because it's a really big number.
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I think that whether or not they feel like they could continue to develop him because he arguably has looked at least better, which wasn't a high, you know, high bar to set as far as how he started his career.
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But it's a big number.
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If they could just dump that off the books that, in and of itself would be an accomplishment for them.
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When you talk about the 17.
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2, we start to run through some of these players.
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You know, close to that, as you pointed out, like Aaron Gordon is just north of 19.
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So you know, some finagling potentially there to utilize and maybe get into that kind of caliber of player.
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But, you know, listen, you know Julius Randle is making almost 19 year on the book.
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A bond Donna Vich is coming in at 17.8.
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Like these are the names.
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So it's interesting, right? As tantalizing as that sounds.
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And maybe they won't like some of the closest ones would be you got Rubio making 17 million.
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You got 15.
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I'm just like looking at the like.
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Running through these as Faras who actually would fit that number for the Eric Bledsoe from the you know, arguably is diminish some of his value with his plate.
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Potentially, at least that's the way the league is kind of looking at it.
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So, yeah, those air.
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There are players and numbers that add up, and also are those are those are those players that that the warriors looking to go? Oh, that's the That's the key guy.
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We need to spend almost 18 17 $18 million on to improve our roster.
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I It's interesting.
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I do are their names that really jump out to you? Because at this stage, I look at it more as again the Wiggins, What are we doing there? And then we could look to capitalize on this exemption.
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Apologies.
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He's if I'm looking this way.
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This is where my this is one of the basketball reference pages with salaries and stuff like that.
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Um, yeah.
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I mean, some of the guys that, like I'm looking at our you know, it's like the fat young's of the world.
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Um, not huge needle movers.
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I do think they need some size with wing and like, that's their their biggest need right now.
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You need to replace that Iguodala like pretty pretty desperately.
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So that's easier said than done, right? Like, you know, you're not obviously gonna get somebody the same caliber.
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But you do need somebody with that positional versus ality, especially on defense, because you're really missing that.
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So you want to splash a little later? You kind of get into.
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Yeah, Larry Nance is interesting.
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I like Larry Nance.
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I have him written down.
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I'm doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I like him a lot.
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I mean, I think what you could do is you could do like a Larry Nance, and you could try to pair him with one of these, you know, smaller salaries on, You know, it seems like Cleveland and Andi and, you know, I mean, just kind of do what you got to do with that s Oh, so I don't know.
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I mean, it's it's a tricky situation, like the teams that, like the guys that I would look at her like Okay.
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Like, is it James Johnson? Is that somebody that's really gonna move the needle? I don't know.
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And also like he very well feels like a buyout guy at the deadline.
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Like a lot of the guys that I like, like Trevor Ariza.
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It's like that guy is probably a buyout guy, like So I mean, it's Are you really using your trade exception on that is not really gonna move the needle for you.
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I mean, I guess if that's the guy that you're like, we need to bring in James Johnson, we will, you know, outbid the market by out market like I don't know.
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It's so I mean, the ones that I like or just kind of Yeah, they're kind of few and far between.
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It's It's the Thad Young to the world, the Larry Nance, the world.
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I do like uber a lot.
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I really like you pray for them.
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That's not a bad one either.
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And well and so.
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But here's the other part of it, though you mentioned about like at the trade deadline and maybe by opportunities like you're also talking about how these players air looked at some of these guys, even even some of the lesser names you're throwing out there.
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But even or maybe a because you're saying Larry Nance.
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Where the what You have to add into that lower level prospects younger guys that you're gonna send back over in terms of just giving value back to Cleveland like that needle moves as well throughout the course of the season.
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The asking price gets a little bit different when you come in pre draft or pre beginning of the season next month.
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Well, that means that you're really looking to get these guys.
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You're looking to solidify your roster heading into the season as opposed to waiting and seeing how things play out and that to me again.
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E don't wanna tie in the Wiggins piece on every on every part of it.
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But as they move through the year, they may find okay, identifying Player X and then saying, How do we shift off this money toe one team? How do we use that exemption on another for another player and balance things out? And you may be able to get something on the on the cheap.
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To the dismay of a lot of fans of leaks, I know basically also the overarching theme here is that already it's the rumblings of people being upset.
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The fact that somehow the Golden State Warriors are going to stand to benefit from some of this new structuring that goes on.
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Listen, it is what it is.
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The Brooklyn Nets are gonna benefit from this.
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The Boston Celtics, the 70 Sixers, who are the current four teams that air into the luxury tax.
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But as they had the cap stand flat and just a hair over 109 million, there's gonna be other teams.
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They're going to surge into that as well.
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So this structure is gonna allow to bring those teams back under the luxury tax.
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And then, yes, The'keeper's that were already existing in that realm are gonna fall down into that, too.
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So I don't know, I think, unfortunately, there's not a lot of players out there at that like this.
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Classic jokes we've always used.
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When you get paid in the NFL, Christian McCaffrey gets his big contract extension.
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You go also.
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You know you got that.
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You got that borderline Larry Nance Jr money, and this is like a premier star at the end in the NFL game, and he has the equivalent of saying, Oh, you got the Evan 48 money.
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Good for you.
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Buddy s so good for you.
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So you know, it's like that.
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That 17.
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2 is a big number and also in relative terms, doesn't get you where you need to be.
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Especially you can't combine another player and a salary in that deal.
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That's what breaks this thing up in terms of being able to go after, say, as slight is that difference? Maybe? And Aaron Gordon, where it's only three million more, But we can't.
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We don't even have that flexibility has existed Train now.
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So I'm doing a little doing a little research on the fly because I'm curious about different because it could go about this, um, what they could do.
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So here's the advantage of bringing in somebody like like like, oh, why would you bring in a new Reza who you could just get us a buyout guy? You could bring in a reason, right? And then you could use a Reza and maybe a pick because they have some nice pick equity and you could take those two and then you could package those two for an Aaron Gordon.
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That's kind of that's a different route.
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I think that's super interesting.
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This is from hoops rumors dot com by Luke Adams, who is actually I read Luke Adams is really good.
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I read him alive.
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So, um, that is a really interesting way to go back.
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Its it's a big advantage.
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I mean, you know, there's a lot of different ways they could go with it.
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So does that mean if they use the exemption money to bring in Arreaza? Then that's done.
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And they can turn around and repackage that in a new way in another trade, right? So even to that extent, then you're talking about so you like you're throwing out of reasons like find the most valuable piece underneath that number.
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Whatever it looks like, whatever player is, even if it doesn't have value to your team specifically, and then it gets me back to my Wiggins piece where you go and now I can combine these so you could even look at, like maybe a more valuable player that will be offered that said, a lower in a significantly lower number, even a Larry Nance Jr.
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Though I think you could have value on that roster in particular.
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But whoever it may be, E.
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Patrick Beverly here and other guys.
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But you say it's Dion.
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Waiters.
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Who cares? I'm just for the sake of argument and 12.
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5 million.
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Okay, use it on him.
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And now try to find a way that you can package and dump with some assets, the Wiggins and the waiters and move it off.
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And that's how you get away from another big contract in a multi step process as opposed to Yeah, loopholes, right? Oh, I can't if I can't just put Wiggins in this deal and send it over with the exemption money to get a player back in, I'll do it in a couple of phases, and they can still accomplish that goal.
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That's the way that they wanna go.
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But that's interesting, too, though its right to think like you can just acquire an asset of a reasonable number package it move, and I don't know if that would be right.
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Second overall pick for them like they are sitting high at the draft so you could take a Reza and that number to pick and get a player that you really want, which you probably even a little bit higher than Aaron Gordon if you had a player in mind, for sure, I mean, that's the thing like you could really get a number to pick if you're a team that's in a transition phase, or just even a team that's fully at the bottom like this is a pretty unique situation.
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So just kind of like talking through this, I'd almost expect them to use the trade exception and everybody goes, Huh? Like, Why would they bring in James Johnson like? That's a weird.
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It's a weird That's what you use this on.
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And then on draft night.
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Oh, James Johnson in the second overall pick are headed Thio Orlando for Aaron Gordon.
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And it's like, OK, something's going on here because I mean Aaron Gordon would make some sense.
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I don't love e don't love having him next to dream on his two guys.
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That can't shoot at all.
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But I mean, you know, like I do think that that is, it's gonna work like that.
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There's gonna it's something's gonna happen.
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There's gonna be things flying on draft night, and it just seems like they're up to something, you know what I mean? There's just been so much disinformation from their their camp regarding their what they're doing in there.
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Pick.
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They like every player in the draft, you know? They're they're picking this guy.
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Oh, they're not trading the pick or their trading the pick.
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It just there up the stuff.
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And they have this huge financial advantage that came from that Iguodala trade.
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So they're going to use it.
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You know what I mean? Like, it's just I don't It's It's a huge trade exception.
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They'd be silly not to try to packages in just something.
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Because when you get into that 17 to $20 million range like you're getting a riel, a real deal contributor, there's a really good chance of getting that, like 1/4 or fifth starter on a championship team.
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I really think you could get that now, when you're talking about, you know, players that they could be looking at and maybe not in the pull it in package and flip scenario, the Houston Rockets air in the real amorphous state, not 100% sure they are.
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They stripping it down with a building it up.
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Are they gonna maybe move on from some of the some components there on that roster? like you could go and look a look at acquiring a Robert Covington who would give them upside on the at the wing position.
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Defensive upside Onley.
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$12 million.
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Cap it there.
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And you could just hold with that if you wanted to.
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And by the way, and then even if you didn't want a package, Ah, guy like Covington might have more value to send somewhere else than, say, in Arreaza or a bigger number that you have available to you there.
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So I But I wonder about Do you think that there, any of those lower level guys like let's say, like that just happened to fall into that 12 10, you know, even sub ones that are specifically, I'll say, defensively minded that the Golden State Warriors would look to go after and then and obviously has to be specifically around teams that are in that right position of looking to move off of contracts that don't think they're gonna be competitive that, you know, see a Player X as being far less valuable than getting a number two overall pick.
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I mean, yeah, that's a thing.
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Like if you have the number two overall pick I'm just curious to see how elite of a wing are you going to get, like, Like, what is that? What is that? What's the stratosphere that that's putting you in? Um, Covington, is I? The thing with Houston is I do think they're trying to be competitive like everything.
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Everything that we've heard so far and everything that Stone has made clear is that they are going to be competitive and they and then it becomes toe like All right, So which bad team has the best? You know, Wing like who is which bad team has got somebody that's just like toiling away.
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And I don't know, like a lot of the A lot of teams that are very good in this league are not very good defensively, like it's just like it's kind of a reality.
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One correlation there about being good in the league and having zero roster.
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So it's like, What are you gonna like go for? Like Harrison Barnes is like that.
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The trade that you're gonna be swinging like, Why are you giving up assets for Harrison Barnes like it is really? I don't know.
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I don't know what the right move is for them like there's already just not that many wings by nature like so I mean, I disclaimer I'm doing a video for my YouTube channel, which I'm hopefully getting down this weekend and, you know, it's it's a trades type of video and I'm gonna be honest, most of the trades they're gonna be the same players that the Warriors they're gonna be hunting now in this number to pick.
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Um, just for the Nets.
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Eso And it's the market's pretty thin.
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Like if there's not too many teams that are willing to trade away a really good wing, um, you know at all like they're just not mostly seems really need their wings.
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They're actually wanting Mawr Wings than they already have, like, you know, So it's, I don't know.
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It's a really tricky thing.
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Now I have to clarify around the bird rights, and if that impacts the trade exemption at all, But I'm only I'm scrolling through and thinking about veteran players potentially that have at least a respectable defensive upside as well.
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Would a what a Rudy Gay from the Spurs tantalize you? It all in an opportunity like that to bring him into the Golden State Warriors roster.
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No, I'm not.
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I'm I've been pretty firmly out on Rudy, Rudy Gay this year.
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Auto Porter, if he was healthy, makes like $28 million.
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So I don't know what you would dio but like, Yeah, that's ridiculous.
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But like, would he be a Wiggins trade? I don't know.
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It's just it's not.
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It's not a friendly market like they're not.
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It's It's really tricky for them.
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It's just it's really tricky.
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It's weird that Aaron Gordon like it just keeps coming back, and I just I can't help but think like, God, That just kind of feels like the obvious trade for them, like, forever.
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That was the Nets trade, and now I'm just kind of like it.
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It does kind of feel like the obvious move for the Warriors now is to just you're gonna over pay for Aaron Gordon.
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But you put it next to Steph and Clay and, like, maybe his three point shooting looks much better because, by the way, when you're playing with on Orlando and your best three point shooter is Nikola Vuckovic, like your percentages are gonna hurt in that way.
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So I don't know.
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I would take a swing on something like that.
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He is a really, really outstanding defender.
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Like one of the better defenders in the league.
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In his position.
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Any, uh I'm pumping through names here.
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I'm just trying to scan.
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I want to get something that Brooks goes.
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Oh, yeah? Do you assume that the Denver Nuggets want to bring back Jeremy Grant that that they want to keep him in the fold there? Um, yeah, I I think I mean again.
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Like, that's another one where you're like God, like he would be great for the Warriors.
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But Denver, like Denver, is looking at next year in the year after that, thinking we have a chance to win it like we are now, the curve that we thought we were gonna hit in a year or two.
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We're hitting now, like Jamal Murray is taking the leap.
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Nicola, you know Yokich is there.
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And if we could get Michael Porter Jr toe to start, just he doesn't need to be a star right away.
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But if he could be a really reliable offensive contributor and just at least survive offensively defensively, like all of a sudden, they're looking at themselves like, Hey, we might We might have something here.
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We got to retain Jeremy Grant.
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Maybe we can try to upgrade Gary Harris and I don't know.
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And a bull bull and some pics for Drew Holiday or we just run with, you know, Gary Harris.
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Ah, Bowl bowl.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, does that list in that trade exemption In terms of the restrictions around it, you can't package a player with it, But can they package a pick with the trade exemption? I don't believe so.
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No e because And by the way, I wouldn't think that they would say, Well, give the second overall pick to get Jeremy Grant back in.
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But that would be like the needle mover for a Denver if you were maybe closer to 10 than Thio.
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You know, one in terms of where you're picking in the draft, then you could probably move the needle, maybe for Denver.
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If they said Okay, Jeremy Grant, those represent this for us, but we can improve over here in this area where we can expand out beyond that.
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So that would maybe be the enticing way of a player that is probably valuable to a team when you're looking around the league and you could still okay from a solid piece for the past because I also don't know like Jeremy Grant looked amazing, obviously down in the bubble, and you saw his value.
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But is that bubble? Is that bubble? You know, inflation? Was he because his profile as big and as high as it's probably ever going to be in his career? Probably right.
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And maybe his best value is to Denver.
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Boy, if you're Denver, you have to kind of look big picture and say, Well, if we're not going to bring them back on a substantial contract here and we do have Otto Porter Jr we have the other pieces that are obviously gonna represent a big chunk of our salary.
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At some point, we have to maybe at least consider the idea of striking while the iron is hot, getting maximum value for this player while still helping ourselves build for a wind now ready mentality.
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I also think with Jeremy Grant, like again.
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That's exactly he's exactly what Denver needs.
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They probably need one more.
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They wish they could clone, you know, like, and then you're just using that number to pick or either trying to find, I guess, like another star like, but, you know, not really the right draft to do that.
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Maybe you roll it over or you try to get that that pic from the Timberwolves next year.
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But again, like, I don't know, like your also your short term plan like then and you're saying and by the way will be will be Jeremy Grant Lis, and we'll have a year before we bring in any way.
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By the way, I've said this about, you know, it's true in the MBA, depending on the draft class like these are all for all intensive purposes.
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Like maybe the bust on you know, the upper echelon guys is a smaller window than, say, in the NFL.
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But these air still all unknown, eh? NBA commodities like you don't know what the draft picks are going to be at the n B a level.
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So when you make a move like this, any team leap, especially Denver, you're saying I know what Grant is.
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I don't know what this pick is going to be for us.
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I don't know what what that player is gonna look like and how they're gonna contribute within reason.
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Right? And you have to kind of least set that that floor for yourself of saying, Worst case scenario, the asset that we get back is going to turn into contributor X.
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You know, now they're sealing their that we hope we get up to, of course.
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But if you can't find that guy that you identify, feel really confident about then and listen, this is a fun conversation to have.
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But I'm far more on your side that than not of.
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I think Denver feels like, Wow, we just showed up a lot sooner than we thought we were going. Thio.
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Let's just see what we can accomplish here and see if the Clippers the Rockets, are coming down to Earth like there's a lot of teams that are coming back to the pack.
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Maybe we could take a jump out in front of them now.
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Yeah, I mean, it would be like like all the again, like right now, all the guys that I would really say, Hey, I think I want to trade a number and it feels weird to trade a number two pick for somebody That's not a star.
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It just does.
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But, um, all of the guys that I think I would think about doing that for are you know, they're on good teams like we're months away from them being like, Yeah, we should trade Robert Covington like this.
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This is not our year.
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So most of these teams air coming into next year they're looking at.
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By the way, there was an article that we nearly talked about, or or a topic we nearly talked about with the Lakers, where they're going to rest their players for the first month.
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Best believe that's going to affect the standings for them like that, there's a good chance the Lakers air like the four seed in the West.
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You know, I don't know if fans air in Arenas might not mean anything.
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There's a good chance they're probably not there.
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And I think that the NBA is kind of reason with that, you know, even in the playoffs.
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But if they don't, if for some reason that happens, they don't have home court advantage.
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I don't know, and by the way they're going to go through a tougher road because of that.
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So that's that's a tricky situation.
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I don't know how that's gonna play out.
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Um, I don't know how it works.
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Are they going to rush back and try to play? You can kind of talk yourself into Hey, maybe this is our year.
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If you're the Houston Rockets or you're the Denver Nuggets, there's no reason to help out.
00:24:01
By the way, a competitors in your own conference.
00:24:05
There's no reason most of the most of the names, I guess, that we mentioned like Larry Nance Jr in there, but a lot of the players we're talking about are all guys on Western Conference teams.
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Even the likes of you mentioned Kelly.
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You break great like awesome also, though like, and I know that he's like a piece that they did find without so Phoenix.
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Wanting to move him is totally is totally understandable.
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And also, though, it's Phoenix trying to send it to a team member.
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Phoenix at the back end of making the playoffs with the Golden State Warriors, who weren't even in the playoff picture this past year.
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So you want to try to help them, you re cement themselves in the hierarchy and potentially be saying we just made our road to the playoffs that much more difficult by sending a valuable piece, 2 to 1 in conference opponent, for sure.
00:24:44
And like since, as we said, like, you're not, I don't believe you're able to pair a draft tasked with this trade exception.
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I mean, maybe you are. I was looking for that.
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I was unable to find that.
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So if you are, then yeah, maybe it does make sense to do that.
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And by the way, if you're Phoenix, you're getting the number two pick for Kelly.
00:25:00
You break.
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You didn't even need in the bubble like, Okay, that's that's a great trade.
00:25:07
But, you know, I mean, I think I think that the warriors are gonna have a lot of their sleeve.
00:25:15
Um, it sure feels like there's gonna be.
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They'll be making multiple moves.
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I would expect a head scratcher and then an immediate move right after being like, Oh, interesting.
00:25:28
And there's only so many players that that makes sense for, um, it just it's not that many.
00:25:33
It's Are you reuniting with Harrison Barnes is out.
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The move is or is gonna be something else along the lines, so we'll see it will be. It's exciting.
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And you know what? Harrison Barnes wouldn't be the worst option for them.
00:25:49
No, eso again is we're talking about, like with the second overall pick.
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Now, we're not against the murky waters about who you're bringing in for for that type of, uh, of capital.
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Even if you massage it through, you know, through that prism.
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Um, but you're But I think you're right.
00:26:01
In the instincts of like, this is a multi move scenario for the Golden State Warriors to get to whatever their ultimate goal is whatever player they want to finally get in the door for.
00:26:11
For a lot of the restrictions around that I need to go through.
00:26:13
And just from the how do we acquire the most tradable valuable asset that other teams leader? And by the way, these are those quiet, as we said 12 01 All of a sudden, all the information starts flying these air, the conversations that they've been used Orlando is the example.
00:26:29
Aaron Gordon.
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Okay, Orlando, what do you What do you want back here? Like, what is the piece that you're looking for? Potentially, that we can go out and acquire through our trade exemption and then bring back over and filter over to you.
00:26:40
So that's the way that a lot of this is, I think going to play out for Golden State if they're looking to the other.
00:26:44
The other thing is to I know like I'm sure it's, you know, if you don't if you don't use it, you lose it kind of scenario, creating that of creating that exemption around Iguodala like, I also think that the Golden State Warriors Air Smart organization and it's going to be about the right opportunity.
00:26:58
Like, Do they wanna leave it out there on the vine and just have that money die? Of course not.
00:27:02
And also, if it isn't, it isn't ultimately gonna get to the place of being able to package something with the number two and get Player X whatever.
00:27:10
Then I wouldn't be surprised if maybe they use it on something that's far significantly lower than that $17 million number, but is a piece that they just solely bring in and is a contributor because again there are they're already built roster to be competitive for another championship, like I know you know, prison prisoner of the moment.
00:27:26
We all forget that they existed in a lot of ways because of the injuries this past year.
00:27:30
But they're gonna be right back in the top four seed conversation, Three seed conversation.
00:27:36
I don't with some of these younger teams where they end up in the hierarchy, but they're gonna be right there.
00:27:40
And by the way, we talk about trade these assets around inside of the conference, potentially to remember the N B. A.
00:27:46
Is approaching this this season and saying, we're gonna have a lot of these two and three games Siri's over the course of the weekend.
00:27:51
So when you talk about the and you're probably gonna have mawr in conference competition that you are gonna have outside, like, I think that that the full blown schedule be interesting as they start to break that down.
00:28:00
So now you're also saying you're gonna You know, if you're the Suns and you're making a move when you're gonna have you may end up having to face them more frequently this year than you did any other year.
00:28:09
And likewise for the warriors going out.
00:28:11
So you know, the predraft pre started the season moves are interesting.
00:28:18
And I just wonder how many teams I just have this conversation with Doug about how many teams that Aaron ready win now mode are going to say, Let's just say like, Let's just see how we start our here.
00:28:30
Let's see what some of these young teams that bubbled up, you know, down in Orlando, What do they look like at the start of this season? Where do we look like E? I do think there is some level of, like, taking the temperature of your roster and your team in the first month of the season, say, and then go.
00:28:44
Okay, we definitely need something.
00:28:46
Or maybe it turns out we can wait for the next big off season on.
00:28:50
Let's let this cap and everything start to level out again, as we hope it will, with revenue, etcetera.
00:28:54
Right.
00:28:55
So, like it's going to be a mixed bag, and I think you'll get a real indication about certain teams like the Warriors.
00:29:00
If they make a big move very quickly over the next year, basically 7 to 10 days, they could also hold on to the trade exception.
00:29:09
So you can you can roll that over to the deadline.
00:29:12
Yeah, that's a great exact Like that's what I mean, like, so that's a scenario, just waiting and then saying, and by the way, we still have that money.
00:29:19
It still exists your argument that supports your argument of being like, Let's just come in and see what we have.
00:29:25
Um, and also not the guy Number two, by the way, and say like, maybe he's not a guy that we actually need right now on.
00:29:31
We just have this young rookie who puts on a great display up to the trade deadline.
00:29:35
They go, Thank you so much for sure.
00:29:38
And like the thing is, is like, You could make a case with how weird the draft is.
00:29:43
Is that the player that you draft that doesn't always happen actually usually see like the The idea of having the whatever the number two pick is more enticing than the player itself.
00:29:56
I don't I don't think that's the thing this year.
00:29:58
I don't like what do you you're getting most people view.
00:30:03
This is like you're drafting a project, so now you're in a situation, and by the way, I think if the player they draft like, looks legitimately good.
00:30:11
I don't know.
00:30:12
Like what? They really have the strength to deal that player at the deadline.
00:30:17
I don't know.
00:30:18
I don't know if I could see it.
00:30:19
I mean, maybe, but I I do think to a degree like other states, Yeah, like they also like, kind of cut from that spurs cloth like, Are they going to say, Oh, this is our CO I like we were good, like, let's just keep this and we'll go for it like if it doesn't happen, then whatever.
00:30:35
Maybe we could get this guy to contribute this year as a rookie or the year after that.
00:30:39
Um, it's really tricky, I don't know, but I will say this like I do think they're gonna use it.
00:30:45
I don't know if it's gonna happen right away, and, you know, they have a lot of options, and that is that is a frightening thing for the rest of, and that's what's so that's It's so enraging for the rest of the league.
00:30:56
Conversely, they have a lot of problems with their roster, a lot, a lot of problems and there are a lot of things that as much as I like them.
00:31:05
They have got a lot to figure out because right now they're absolutely reeling from the years and years and years of basically being built around four players and, you know, and now they're in a situation where they've taken the money.
00:31:19
That was that went to Kevin Durant and they moved that for D'Angelo Russell, which was then turned into to Andrew Wiggins, which, yes, I get that they gotta pick. That's amazing.
00:31:29
And I do think there's a chance like they might just take these two pics and say, Hey, this is just gonna be us building for the next era.
00:31:36
But they still I mean, it's still that Kevin Durant.
00:31:38
Many ended up being into one of the worst contracts in the league. Just did.
00:31:43
Just did so, you know.
00:31:45
I mean, it's they They have a lot to figure out.
00:31:50
They have a lot to figure out and that roster.
00:31:55
There's many steps that need to be taken, but things like this to help them quite a bit.
00:31:59
Well, yeah, and in that regard, the last point I'll make is, as you said, like the Golden State Warriors have been a well run organization.
00:32:05
I don't think they're going to be taken by surprise that they are getting older.
00:32:09
That the roster does have holds on it.
00:32:11
And there's that the long term view of even how you use the trade exemption of even how you use that number to pick.
00:32:17
It has to be about kind of replenishing that town and pull a little bit, because remember, they are built on drafting like these are they're drafted players that they built around in one championships with.
00:32:28
They brought in Kevin Durant, obviously, for a spell there.
00:32:30
But all these guys are drafted players for them, so they obviously fundamentally believe in building through the draft.
00:32:37
And I believe they're scouting department and finding the talent.
00:32:39
So that's another reason to think that even at the number two overall pick, it might be in the short term.
00:32:45
We're going to stand on.
00:32:46
What we have is we're currently constructed and try to make us some small moves with the exemption, maybe the deadline, and then this number two guy.
00:32:52
Yeah, he's the first piece that we use moving forward to make sure that beyond Steph Curry and Klay Thompson and Green, we're gonna be able to have sustained, sustained success.
00:33:01
Yeah.
00:33:02
I mean, you know, and you could you could use this on a younger player, this exceptional younger player that you feel like.
00:33:07
Hey, this is a bridge.
00:33:09
You know, it's not like a bridge star, but a bridge role player.
00:33:12
That then makes sense for this team but also carries over to the next generation of whatever the warriors are, so I don't know.
00:33:18
It's interesting, Um, kind of anxiously awaiting all this to start.
00:33:22
I think we're all everybody's held in the balance by this.
00:33:25
This, uh, this undetermined period of just being like, Hey, we need these trade windows to be open.
00:33:31
It seems like a lot of teams of already locked in trades, um, and and definitely locked in free agent signings.
00:33:38
So we're just waiting.
00:33:40
We're gonna be doing this all week.
00:33:42
We're gonna be doing this all week.
00:33:44
We're gonna be talking rumors that the rumors that the rumors they're gonna be teams leaking stuff, they're gonna be agents leaking stuff.
00:33:51
I expect us to be very busy and have a lot to talk about.
00:33:54
So thank you guys all for watching Adam.
00:33:56
Do you have anything coming up today or the next couple of days, you can check out the Nets Channel still here, which will get obviously back into the play by play coverage as the season kicks off.
00:34:06
But I'm gonna take a look at some information around, uh, Jared Allen and what the cost to retain him is gonna be for Brooklyn and how that plays in the decisions that they're gonna make, whether pre or even during the season leading up to the deadline.
00:34:18
So I'm gonna take a look at that young star that I am incredibly Fondo of and also have concerns about whether or not he'll he'll be a member of the Brooklyn Nets in the long term.
00:34:27
Yeah, $80 million.
00:34:29
That report I should like.
00:34:31
I don't know about that one.
00:34:34
Uh, is a good agent, I'll tell you that.
00:34:36
But she's got a great age.
00:34:37
I'm like, that's that's That's what you need to do.
00:34:40
It's so funny when you have, like, one contract inflating the entire market like that.
00:34:44
Every single room running center should just be like I want the Capello money.
00:34:48
I guess what I want.
00:34:49
Well, that's their names.
00:34:50
You write that like for like, we were like, Oh, that's what Across the board, that's what any of these guys are gonna cost.
00:34:56
You like Yep. That's right.
00:34:58
Yeah.
00:34:59
So we're starting early on that, so Yeah, definitely.
00:35:02
Go check that out.
00:35:03
I will be doing some draft research this week.
00:35:06
I have a guy coming on Thursday for a draft show that I need to prep quite a bit.
00:35:11
So eso that'll be good.
00:35:13
I'm not much of a draft guy, which is why I'm That is why I have my show.
00:35:18
I have people that come on and talk about, you know, teams draft things that they know about better than I do.
00:35:25
So, um yeah. Check that out.
00:35:27
Stay tuned for that, and we'll be back throughout this week.
00:35:30
I'll be on solo tomorrow. 10.
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30.
00:35:33
Me and Adam will be back Thursday.
00:35:35
10. 30.
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