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00:00:02
What's going on, everybody? It's Joe.
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New Beau alongside my guys Laurence Owen and Ray routes the o genius of SportsCastr news as we are.
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How you doing, fellas? Wonderful.
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Monday today, Victor Monday for me, not for not for Lois.
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And, uh, we'll see.
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We'll see how how race team does site.
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But I don't know.
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You want to tell the people about your new look? Maybe some people are in our familiar with Why you Why you may be changed your look up a little bit here.
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Well, this was this is the, uh, reasoning behind a specific bet that I've made with another co host.
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Well, actually, the host of this stream right now for the game yesterday.
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You know, clean shave.
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Well, it was clean this morning.
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It don't look quite as clean now and then the mohawk for myself, because, well, let's just face it.
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I'll get my goatee back fast enough.
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So this is coming.
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Funny thing.
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Situation that I want.
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Hey, I live up to my that stand.
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That's what's up.
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Man of your word, that's for sure.
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And I get to stay with the bushy bushy look for for no shave.
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November so I got to get to keep my word.
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So, Ray, the Patriots Not only do they have a game tonight, but apparently they're not going to be having any more fans for the rest of the season.
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This I guess this is fairly recent news.
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So, Ray, as a Patriots fan, what's your reaction? It's not surprised.
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They just put a curfew in.
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In Massachusetts, people aren't allowed out past 10 o'clock.
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Bars have to stop serving in 9 30.
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Obviously, is Kobe 19 spikes across, uh, everywhere.
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Um, like full disclosure.
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But he knows I'm from Canada.
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I don't live in Mass, so it's It's I'm going by the information I see on the news.
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And also, uh, my partner Conner from DPM Commentary, uh, is from Boston.
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So he gives me those updates.
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Doesn't surprise me whatsoever.
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I mean, look it.
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I just feel like we're playing the Miami Dolphins every week.
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No fans in the stands and, uh, you know, it's really funny because a lot of dolphin fans were really, uh, really going at Patriot fans for this, like, Oh, is it because they suck this year and I'm just like, dude like you guys haven't had a sell out in 10 years.
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If one fan base should not be talking about fans not understands, it's the Miami Dolphins, but yeah, I know.
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I mean, listen, uh, the NFL is dealing with co vid.
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We're seeing teams go.
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They know they're now at a point where they cannot have of a major outbreak on have to change any games or changing the schedules around.
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But of course, it's gonna be up to the state.
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I mean, but you know what? I got to give kudos to places like Miami and Tampa Bay, whereas the governor came out and said they could have full stadiums, but they, you know, on their own do, you know, try to stop the spread and stop the curb.
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So I give it to the those fan bases.
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Um, look, at the end of the day, it is what it is, right? Um uh, this is a weird year of football.
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It's, you know, I don't know.
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I'm not saying it's an aspect here, but this is a year like honestly, like, this is a year from a Ravens fan, for instance.
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Like, I don't wanna win the Super Bowl because We're the only ones who will remember, because I think it was gonna try to just eliminate 2020 from their memories and and told him, you know, um yeah, Onley.
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If the Steelers win that, then I'll call that an asterisk here.
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Uh, no, but so yeah.
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Yeah, it za correct.
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Uh, push.
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Push your mic back two inches.
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Oh, sorry.
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I'm always I'm always the loudest one here.
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What do you want me to, Dio? Alright, so that's good.
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Yeah, and eso the like.
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You said the entire NFL is dealing with this covert situation, just like the rest of the, uh Well, maybe not the world is much, but America, right? We're still dealing with it because, uh, for reasons, but, you know, it is what it is, man.
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At least, uh, you know, this is one of those Patriots years that maybe couldn't isn't going the best for you.
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I would say I'm just curious.
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Like how? How is the Patriots fan base reacting to this? Because this is what, The first time in 20 years since you guys have had a losing season, correct? Yeah, The Patriots fan base is just ridiculous, Joe, like, ridiculous it Z, um, there's there's three sets of Patriot fans.
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There's ones who are like me that are like, I kind of take the approach of, like, Listen, we've had 20 years of absolute dominance.
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Um, and really, we've had more than 20 years because I go back to the blood.
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So days we went to a Super Bowl, we were in the playoffs, so I mean, we felt like almost 25 26 years of consistently competing in the NFL.
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I'm also on the approach to that like yes, being two and five sucks.
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But if you score against Seattle, if you, you know don't throw incompletion against Denver, um, the only game that you know if you don't fumble the ball against Buffalo, your five and two and not two and five.
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So the optimism, especially with some of the young players on the team, and that's the way you know my mindset, that is, um, then you have the fan base, that air just freaking out right now. Fire Belichick.
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And it's funny.
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I interview like different, you know, reporters and fan bases on my show.
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And every time I bring up that you know, Patriot fans wanna fire Bill Belichick.
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They're all like, Well, we'll take him, like, of course, don't wanna.
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We'll take a Belichick can't draft Belichick is.
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And this Brady brought out the best in Belichick.
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I mean, I put out a tweet today, but the hypocrisy of Patriot fans, um, you know Tom Brady is the reason the Patriots won for 20 years.
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He covered up all of Bill Belichick deficiencies.
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You know, Belichick was nothing about Brady, and they lost last night because of Bruce Arians.
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You know that's the Bruce Arians falls.
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He's a horrible coach.
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And how Tom Brady win with Bruce Arians coach.
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So it's just the hypocrisy of it all.
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And then you have the fan base.
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We're now Tampa Bay fans, Um, and if the Patriots to be competitive into competitive in two or three years, they'll be back on the Patriots bandwagon.
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Or, who knows, maybe they'll be Baltimore fans or Kansas City fans.
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Um, we've watched the bandwagon unload, Ah, lot of Tom Brady fan boys out there.
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They're just following Tom Brady wherever he goes.
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I don't know what they're gonna do in two years when he retires, and there's a reason Joe that I'm one of the most hated Patriot fans in past nation right now.
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Well, I think there is at least some, you know, a lot of injuries.
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You're gonna have a high pick in the draft, so I wouldn't totally say the Patriots, and like you said, there's plenty of games that they've lost, that they were very much in and have a good chance to win that game.
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So I mean, yeah, and we want to get rid of Belichick.
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I mean, he's literally the best coach in NFL history.
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Um, I think there's reasons for optimism.
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If you're a Patriots fan, you know, I'm sure you gotta take what you couldn't get, man.
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It's sometimes you get some down years, it happens to the best of us.
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It happens, you know, it is just all about how you bounce back.
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So we're now going through what every single team in the NFL goes through.
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At some point, we're also in.
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It's funny because for years, Patriot fans kept saying they were prepared for this moment.
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They're prepared for this moment.
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Patriot fans were not prepared for this moment, Lawrence.
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They were not prepared whatsoever, and I mean, I think what's more disappointed to me is I'm never a tank guy to change a franchise around.
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Number two is well, well, as a big I'm a big guy Who wants Can Putin signed for the next three years? I think that when you take into consideration, his best receiver was playing with a bunny that eventually needed surgery, other receivers out with a concussion.
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And he made it all undrafted free agents most of this season, Belichick's got $60 million in cap space next year.
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Give the guy some, you know, guys to throw the football, too.
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And then we'll know how Cam Newton can play football for the New England Patriots, right? So it's Yeah, I know what this fan base was not prepared for this whatsoever.
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I'm actually kind of excited for the end of the season.
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I mean, if the Patriots, if Belichick ends up with a top 10 pick in the draft for the first time, we've seen that, and I wouldn't know what the world is going to do with it.
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Well, the last time the Patriot at a Top 10 pick was in 2000 and two, the sixth over our 2000 and one did the sixth overall pick, and they took Richard Seymour.
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One of them, you know, probably the best offensive lineman's in that in that 10 years.
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So, um, no.
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I've already predicted that if the Patriots get a top 10 pick, they're picking a defensive lineman or trading out trading out of the pick because you're not gonna get Justin Fields or Trevor Lawrence with the 10th pick.
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So you might as well either beef up your defense or trade out and build more capital later in the draft, where Belichick doesn't damage.
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Anyways, I'm actually working on like a little mini doc right now called 43 are Bill Belichick's 43 best draft picks on day? 90% of them are either second to fourth round or undrafted free agents. E.
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I mean, it's not many of them come out of the first round.
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Yeah, that's for sure.
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All right, well, aside from that, the Patriots also have a game tonight, and it just so happens to be against the probably the worst team in the NFL, the New York Jets.
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However, they are led by somebody called the elites Dragon Joe flat goat who all he needs 108 yards to surpass Joe Montana on the all time passing yards list.
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Um so, Ray, how can you ever stop a Joe Flacco lead Jets offense? And okay, let's be honest there a terrible team.
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You know what we expected from this game? Um, you know what? This game is gonna be a lot closer than people think.
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And because the Patriots air going in with a similar roster to the New York Jets, the Fong Gilmore's out Jawan Bentley is out.
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Lawrence guy is out.
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Dalton Keen is out.
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They had an additional his, but he's not back here on the team till next week because of covert protocols and that kind of thing.
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So and it'll take him.
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A couple was getting So it's gonna be a tight game.
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I expect this to be a run heavy game between both teams.
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Um, Flacco.
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I don't think it's a 200 yards this year when he's played.
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I think Cam Newton is a 201.
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Otherwise, it's been under 200 but he's, you know, you know he's good for 50 to 70 rushing yards per game to kind of make up the other ones.
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I This could be, you know, I'm a little disappointed.
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And Peter fans, I'm not sure if I said this already.
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If I did apologize, because a lot of them are are hoping for a loss tonight and hoping for a tank night.
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I'm not that kind of guy.
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I hate seeing my team lose.
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I'd rather 20th overall and finished 88? No, I got to enjoy it.
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Trees, then, you know, get a top five and and you know, and have a season.
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We only went Plato win.
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Plato win.
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You gotta play with Herm Edwards, right? You play the game toe win.
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Um, so, yeah, it's gonna be a tough game.
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I still in leaning towards the Patriots winning because I think when you have this kind of matchup that comes down to coaching, it's Adam Gays versus Bill Belichick.
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Um, now, I did write an article yesterday, Joe, though for SportsCastr news for sportscast, you've been his first moments.
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He's come out have been a pain in the ass.
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But I just think Adam Gates will Adam gays himself in Belichick without coach him, and the Patriots will win because of that.
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Isn't the offensive line also really banged up from the New England Patriots? Not missing anybody, but four of the five starters were questionable for today's game.
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But from what I see, everybody is gonna be starting.
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Um, I'm really excited to because they have this, Michael um on.
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We knew who for like the like all season has been the top rated offensive rookie of the year.
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And he's a tackle and you think, 1/5 round draft pick and and And this is our common, like our conversation we had this year where I never put a high value on offensive linemen because I and I've realized now that it's not, a lot of teams get this kind of production of the fifth rounders.
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But I'm really excited about him.
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You know, I got to give this offensive line a lot of credit because they've been banged up all season.
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Dante Scarnecchia, who's like the guru of offensive lines, retired in the off season and outside of the Denver game, where they just looked absolutely a trip certain.
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Four Stringer's.
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This makeshift offensive line has been really good, and this and don't forget to one of their best tackles.
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Marcus Cannon opted out for this season.
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Um, and there's Ah, if you watch Isaiah Win has been playing phenomenal.
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There is a play against Buffalo last week where he just like he almost threw a guy like there's a game going now.
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You know, I believe I could fly because he had a You know, everybody keeps talking about what? Help a bunch of guys spend money this year.
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Page Oh, tuning him the $16 million.
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And that's what it takes.
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The guys one of the best guards in the league.
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And when David Andrews went down, he moved into the center position.
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They didn't they didn't miss a beat.
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You know where last joint Andrews was down.
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We really felt that s I've been happy with this offensive line.
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So even though they're banged up, I still have a feeling there they're going to do well.
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But of course you know the Jets, the one thing the Jets do have is a bit of ah, pass defense right there in the top 15.
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So it's gonna be challenging eso.
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That's basically the way I look at it.
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It's gonna be a run heavy game feed. Damian Harris.
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I think that I'm what I'm hoping is that they do designed run plays for Cam Newton and let him get to the because if you can get out to the edge, I don't like their safeties and corners to tackle him.
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And I think you can pick up a lot of yards like that and and from the defensive side of things, I mean, listen, this is I know this sounds stupid, but if there was a position we could afford to lose our top guy.
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It is cornerback because J, especially against a team like the judge, J. C.
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Jackson, is a true number one.
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That's why I do believe Gilmore is gonna get traded in the offseason.
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And they're gonna pay Jackson to be the new number one on the team.
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Last year, the top two in the league, literally by stats when Gilmore Jackson right? And so you got Jonathan Jones and you got Jason McCord and Juwan Williams.
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So, luckily, the Patriots secondary has been tough, and they're not even even if Flacco plays Flacco.
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He's got nobody to throw the ball to, you know, and and and that's where I believe that the Patriots have have the advantage.
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So against they've got to stop the run, that's gonna be the big things.
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Well, wait a minute.
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Now you're talking about you just gonna be a big, heavy run game.
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Now.
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Obviously, the Jets are best at running the football that they actually do quite well.
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Running it, they just suck it passing.
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But yes, New England is not great at passing the football.
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But this is like one of the worst passing defense is in the NFL.
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Do you think this this is a game? I'm sorry, Joe.
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I'm taking over this question.
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But both of you guys, man, do you guys think this is a game where Cam Newton might be able to come back and start getting his groove back in the passing game? Even with a depleted receiving corps payment? Because of the depleted receiving corps? To be honest with you, Jacoby Meyers watched Jacoby Meyers.
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And he's a guy that all season I've been screaming.
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You need to give this kid more snaps.
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He was in the udf a last year.
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He had, like, 500 passing yards or 450 passing yards from Brady last year, then they haven't used him.
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Now, with Nikkila Harry out, Nadelmann out, he's starting to get involved in the game.
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Yeah, look, the Pats have the Jets have the 32nd worst passing offense in the NFL, the Patriots of the 30th.
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So let's not pretend that these air to high octane throwing teams, Um, I can't think the Onley thing is, is, you know that I mean, the Patriots of the seventh best passing defense in the NFL, so I don't think it's gonna want to throw the ball.
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Maybe maybe Belichick decides to test at 29th.
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Worst defense in New York.
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But I still I've already predicted that there is not gonna be over.
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I think there's gonna be, like, 300 yards of total passing between Flacco and Cam Newton tonight.
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I don't expect this to be a quarterback type of game.
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Yeah, I could see that.
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The thing with the Patriots, man, I feel like just the way they're built.
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They need to be like almost, um, pretty much what I asked for from my offense from the Lamar Jackson offense allowed Cam Newton's legs to open up the passing game right? Make it a threat so that there's some open guys down the field.
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You know you don't have the best receivers, just kind of like the Ravens situation.
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And that's why having a mobile quarterbacks like Cam Newton, you've got to be able to use them and make him a threat.
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Make defense's on their toes, make him off balance like our POS play action passes.
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Keep, you know, just keep being creative motions before the snap.
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I think if the Patriots are able to do that tonight, they should be able to win fairly easily.
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But this is a divisional matchup, and for some reason the Jets just always seem to give the Patriots some trouble.
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Uh, you know, no matter how bad they could be.
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So, yeah, this could actually be a potentially like a super low scoring, just defensive grinded out battle.
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But, uh, I could see the Patriots winning, but I would.
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I kind of want to see the Jets win just for like, scientific purposes.
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You know, like does the just the entire Patriots fan base just go in shambles and just ask for Belichick's head after the Jets beat them tonight? Well, Connor and I won't be asking for Belichick's head if they lose tonight, because that's ridiculous.
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You know, this is obviously a personnel problem.
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Um, just on Belichick, too.
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But you know what? I don't look at his cop out, and we sold out for three Super Bowls like they did, You know what I mean? And now I'm surprised he said it, but he said it and it's true.
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And I'm looking at Pitt Fans going? Yes, we went to four Super Bowls in five years.
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There's teams like the Bills who have never won a Super Bowl, you know? And we're complaining.
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Um, but we will.
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You know, Connor and I always try to lean on the positive side of things, like even on losses.
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Let's like, even when I got blown up to San Francisco, we were like, You know what? We liked how this guy played.
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We like this.
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Um, we're gonna let it all hang out tonight.
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There's stuff we have held back on, and we said if they lose to the Jets, we will now we both of us to discuss this and because of the injuries, were kind of going back on that a little bit going, Let's see where the attack and if we see it is an injury issue, then we'll hold off and not freak out.
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But I just I can't be that fan Joe that just you know what I mean? Like it's I'm not spoiled.
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Let's put it that way.
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I'm not a spoiler.
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I'm from Toronto, where we just like for the city of Losers.
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We finally want an M B A championships.
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So it's like to be a part of this.
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It would be a Patriot fan for the last, you know, 25 years, 27 years over long.
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It's been I've been.
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I've been so lucky for the pure football purist tonight who likes to see things.
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I want you to watch for Anfernee Jennings and Josh.
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You say That's the Patriots 2nd and 3rd round picks, and with Bentley out, I expect those two guys to get a healthy diet of plane tonight.
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That could be I have a feeling if these guys go off that they will be our two linebackers going forward.
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I'm gonna pretty now, and it it kills me to say this, but I could see Dont'a Hightower on the move on not coming back next season.
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As much as I'm saying thes two guys may be the future and the Patriots may be able to move off that that contractor for Patriot fans, He's my favorite player of freaking all time for the Patriots, so don't get on me for saying it.
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I'm just talking pure football right now.
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Fair enough.
00:20:17
So next week, Ray, the Patriots have to go up against the little team known as the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday Night Football.
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So right now on my on day, how are how are you feeling about that game? I We don't have to talk about it too much because we can obviously talk about it more as the week goes on.
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Let me put it this way.
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I'm hoping for a win tonight, and I'm gonna savor this victory because it's been five weeks since or six weeks since we've been able to celebrate one, and I'm gonna savor one before we have to face Baltimore because the Patriots can't stop the run.
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And Baltimore, I've heard, knows how to run the football bit.
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There's rumors out there that they know how to run the football and considering that the Patriots pass offense is so good and John Harbaugh is smart.
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You never know all over the Patriots.
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Listen, if the Patriots can the is it impossible for the Patriots to turn this season around and make the playoffs? No.
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Is it improbable? Yes, right.
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It's improbable.
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ASL, long as they're not mathematically out there is a chance, but it needs to run the table.
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And that means they need to go through Baltimore.
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They need to go through Arizona.
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They need to go through the Chargers, which is no pushover of a game.
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Eso I'm no longer looking ahead.
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I was looking ahead week three when they were two and one.
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Okay, we got the Chiefs if we can.
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You know, even if we lose the Chiefs, we could beat this team.
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Now I'm like, I'm gonna just game at a time, Um, beat the Jets.
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And I know that I get five days or six days of of we want a game, you know, And then we can.
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And then you know, you'll you'll hear me talk about Baltimore later this week, and it won't be nice things, but patriots e I know that you are a defensive guy Ray.
00:22:09
But how upsetting or exciting would it be for you if this ended up being an offensive game? And both teams scored 30 plus points? I think that it would be upsetting to me on Lee because the defense is the only thing I can Kang on this team.
00:22:28
And if the defense gives up 30 30 points of the Jets, how many are they going to give up? The Baltimore, you know, just that's my thing.
00:22:35
How much are they going to give up the Kyler? Murray? How much are they gonna give up to to, uh, we still gotta play that.
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What? You know, um, this defense is the identity of the patriots.
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Obviously in the team, Um, you know, And obviously you have to work out the way I had hoped.
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Um, which I think was one of the key pieces.
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No.
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If if this turns into a shootout tonight, even with wind, it won't.
00:23:00
I'll feel worse about a win to the Jets and a shootout that I felt about the loss to Seattle because I felt great about a loss to Seattle after that game because, I mean, I looked at that and thought this team could, but the injuries to me, it's an excuse your deep enough that you should be able to beat the Jets or if you lose it, be like a 76 game.
00:23:22
You know what I mean? With the offenses couldn't score because it wouldn't surprise me if the offense didn't score and say, Well, the defense is a defense.
00:23:27
That's what we're building on.
00:23:28
And we fix the offense in the off season.
00:23:30
If the Jets put up a ton of points and it's like, Oh, what's gonna negative on? What's 2021 gonna look like? We gotta fix both units. Yeah.
00:23:41
Yep, that's for sure.
00:23:43
Eso if you don't mind, Lawrence, where you're gonna say something or Okay, I wanted to ask real quick, and we could probably ended with this here.
00:23:52
I think we've got about 30 minutes.
00:23:54
Almost, um, outlook for the NFC East because the bills looking real good, man.
00:24:00
I mean, they had a impressive win.
00:24:01
Like you called Ray Credit to you, man.
00:24:03
I didn't see that happening.
00:24:04
They looked pretty **** good against the Seahawks.
00:24:08
Um, Josh Allen, looking really good props to him and the dolphins also looking pretty good to actually had a very good game yesterday.
00:24:16
So do you think that there's a chance that maybe the Dolphins could end up overtaking the bill's here? Or do you think the Bills, they're just gonna run away with that division? I think it's the Bills division to lose now.
00:24:27
That was a statement game against Seattle, right? Um, they had to win that game and they want a big, which was an even bigger statement, and I know that he I mean, we all said it.
00:24:50
If Josh Allen can keep the ball under control and he's kept it under control and they don't run the football often yet I watched Zack Mosque bully Patriots players who can usually open field tackle.
00:25:03
So why I like Buffalo is they can win it both ways.
00:25:08
They can, you know, if Okay, this is a team that could stop the past.
00:25:12
We'll run it down their throat and we'll put up 130 yards of of Russian and will score three rushing touchdowns.
00:25:18
Um, and I always look at the at the big teams.
00:25:20
You know, the Patriots always came through with the interception at the end of the game.
00:25:24
The fumble, the you know, the sack, the penalty, you know, like something that won a game.
00:25:31
We've now seen that out of Buffalo twice.
00:25:34
We saw it in L.
00:25:35
A. On the pass interference.
00:25:38
I keep saying the old Josh Allen probably doesn't score the touchdown, and they still lives the game, even on a brutal called the new Josh Allen.
00:25:44
Did the Patriots game.
00:25:45
Yes, the Patriots were in field goal range to tie up the game there on the 20 yard line.
00:25:49
That's a tie game that Nick focus a chip shot.
00:25:52
The Patriots are probably going to score and win the game.
00:25:56
And when it mattered, the Bills defense came up with and it wasn't just like, ah, week fumble by Cam.
00:26:02
It was a good punch in a good recovery by Buffalo, right? I mean, look, this came out to protect the football better? Yes, absolutely.
00:26:09
But it was a good punch.
00:26:10
Attack the attack, the ball and got it back.
00:26:13
That's what good teams do.
00:26:22
Tom Brady dominating.
00:26:23
I've you look at every tweet I've ever put out that it's always been the Patriots ever make this easy.
00:26:28
You know, like it's more than half the games, always came down to a defensive play or ah, Dr Brady right in that offense.
00:26:36
And that's what the Bills were doing.
00:26:38
And that's why I think that they're for real this year because they're they're made those plays when they need to make them and good teams get lucky.
00:26:45
Sometimes they get the call they get to this.
00:26:47
They get to that.
00:26:49
And, you know, I think back to that Baltimore game on Sunday Night Football back.
00:26:52
I want to say, Joe, maybe I think you might have been 2014 the field goal over the over the upright, but I mean the controversy, whether it was a field goal or not, for the Ravens to win the game right, that he missed right that he put it over.
00:27:07
It was, you know, it was a conversation if third play.
00:27:10
If the Patriots were playing a lesser team that's being reviewed and it's not a field goal, you know what I mean or, you know, whatever, the at the very least is being reviewed.
00:27:18
It probably went over the upright, but it's it's which makes it a field goal in by football terms.
00:27:23
Um, it's probably it's probably, you know, but at least reviewing it.
00:27:27
But good teams like Baltimore, it's not reviewable.
00:27:30
It's a field goal.
00:27:31
Get off the field. It's over, e.
00:27:33
Even though the Patriots screaming to review it and good teams get those breaks.
00:27:37
I think about the the Steelers game from 2018, the Jesse James touchdown that turned on and incomplete pass right because he lost control of the football.
00:27:48
On the very next play, Duron Harmon picks off Ben Roethlisberger and they win when really Pittsburgh should have went falls, whether it's plays, whether it exists, and we're starting to see that in Buffalo this year.
00:27:59
Hey, may I pat my own back for just a moment here? Joe, please.
00:28:04
Didn't you and I had a massive argument before the season started and we were on opposite ends on this? I was saying that Josh Allen made a major jump from his rookie year to a second year and that if he made a similar jump in his third year, he was gonna be one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL.
00:28:23
And you argued with me about that all off season and now Josh Allen went from 58% completion percentage last year to 69% completion percent, and his average goes from 6.
00:28:40
7 Perth Pasto.
00:28:42
Eight point to any.
00:28:44
There's only one touchdown away from what he had last year.
00:28:48
So at his quarterback rating, I mean from 85 toe 107 My goodness, jock out like one of those quarterbacks that's gonna be stepping up this year and it's gonna have toe the entire NFL is gonna have to deal with him.
00:29:03
But let's not forget who I had picking the FCS.
00:29:06
Let's not forget who I had, who I had winning the A F.
00:29:08
C s now I e.
00:29:11
At 79 years.
00:29:15
I'm also think, too.
00:29:17
It's like when you But here's the thing about Josh portals.
00:29:27
It all depends on the situation in two.
00:29:28
And Josh Allen isn't a good situation.
00:29:31
Joe.
00:29:32
I'm going to start arguing that it seems to me like Baltimore doesn't want to do with Lamar Jackson, which is weird because last year that looked like they knew exactly what to do with Lamar Jackson.
00:29:41
You know what I mean? I don't know if this is just experimental But I watch it sometimes and go like I haven't seen a leap from Lamar and I don't blame him.
00:29:49
You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't look at Lamar and and it's I've been watching it go on like it's just weird.
00:29:54
It's just it's weird.
00:29:55
It's a really and you've been a ball before.
00:29:56
I love your insight on Let me, uh, let me just say what we saw in the second half of yesterday's game against the Colts is what I've been asking for all season.
00:30:07
Lawrence can attest to this.
00:30:09
Lamar came out and he was just on point with, like, every single one of his throats, like he was taking what the defense was giving him.
00:30:16
When he had to take off, he was taken off.
00:30:18
I think it's more so on Lamar.
00:30:21
To be honest, I think a code the coaching staff does have a lot to do with it.
00:30:24
But I also think it's Lamar himself.
00:30:26
That is like, I want to prove these guys wrong.
00:30:29
I want to show everybody I can throw the ball and you just in trying to prove everyone wrong.
00:30:35
You're actually proving everyone right because you know, throwing deep is just not working, throwing outside the numbers.
00:30:41
What does work? Quick passes, um, are pose play action passes, rollouts, you know, keeping the defense honest, keeping them off balance like we saw against the Colts.
00:30:53
That's the type of game that I want to see from Lamar Jackson every game.
00:30:57
So, yeah, those two drives, uh, at the end of the third quarter, the beginning of the fourth quarter of those two drives where they scored two touchdown, comes back to back and won the game, Basically off those two drives, that is the Lamar Jackson that we need to see more often.
00:31:14
You don't want to see a Lamar Jackson who's like, Oh, crap, we can't run the football because they're just trying to run the football all the time like you saw in the first half, constantly running the football and unable to move the ball because the team knows you're trying to run the football, use your run, use your play.
00:31:30
Action didn't huddle up.
00:31:36
They didn't flip out any people didn't allow the defense God.
00:31:46
He plays well when you just let him have fun rather than making things.
00:31:49
But he's doing exactly.
00:31:51
Joe, I got a question for you.
00:31:52
Hollywood Brown.
00:31:55
Is there a little bit of disappointment in him? Um, he drops a lot of balls, number one or or doesn't get under a football.
00:32:03
That's what I noticed the most about him.
00:32:04
It's like, Dude, like kicking in fifth and get to that ball.
00:32:08
And I've seen Lamar go talk to him and it looks like Lamar overthrew him by a yard.
00:32:12
But you could see where there was almost a hold up.
00:32:14
You know what I mean? Where? He didn't run through the football.
00:32:18
It's And I think I even saw I didn't get to see much of your guys game, but I think that I even saw you put it to me like Hollywood.
00:32:23
You need to catch that.
00:32:24
You know what I mean? Like is, is there a bit of a disappointment in his progression? Oh, big time. Big time.
00:32:31
And this is what I was afraid of.
00:32:33
I'm not ready to give up on him yet, but this was some of my concerns when we did draft him because he was my least favorite receiver off that draft class.
00:32:41
Believe it or not.
00:32:42
And the reason was because he's a small dude, right? He's fast.
00:32:45
Obviously, he's a pretty decent route runner for being a speed guy.
00:32:49
But catching was an issue that I saw when I watched it was was watching his tape and we see some of that, you know, Yesterday against the Colts, there was a third and seven.
00:32:59
Lawrence probably remembers this Lamar through it like a lot of people were saying.
00:33:03
It wasn't like a great ball.
00:33:05
I didn't think it was that bad.
00:33:06
I thought it was very catchable.
00:33:08
It was a little low.
00:33:09
It was a little bit off, but it was right toe Hollywood's hands.
00:33:12
He should have.
00:33:13
He bobbled it and then he went out of bounds and didn't catch the ball here and basically saying What's the point of having soldiers? If you're not even using them, you know what I'm saying? Then you come out and have that type of drop on a third down, which is a crucial play.
00:33:34
Um, you just can't be doing that type of stuff.
00:33:36
If you truly believe that.
00:33:39
You know you belong with your cousin.
00:33:40
Who? Antonio Brown, which is what it seems to me like then you got to show it, you gotta be able to take over games, and he just hasn't been that at all.
00:33:49
Um, you know, we last year there was this connection from him and Lamar that it was just that That's one of the reasons why I thought he was gonna have such a huge leap this year because I saw the connection that they had.
00:34:01
It just hasn't been there at all this year.
00:34:02
I don't know if it's because defense's are doubling Hollywood and Mark Andrews.
00:34:07
They already know, like that's Lamar's two favorite targets.
00:34:10
Or, um, if Hollywood is not on the same page. I don't know, man.
00:34:15
It's weird.
00:34:16
It's I'm not giving up on him yet, but it is a little disappointing for sure.
00:34:20
Yeah.
00:34:21
Lawrence and I ripped Brown after that behavior.
00:34:28
You know you don't like your cousin, right? Uh, it's, you know, your as a receiver.
00:34:34
You can't call your quarterback out.
00:34:36
You know what I mean? You can't call your quarterback or publicly have a private discussion with them.
00:34:40
You can't call them out publicly.
00:34:42
Um, because, yeah, Brown could be a great receiver, but it's you know, all you're gonna do is **** off, Lamar.
00:34:48
By putting it up like that out and he's not.
00:34:50
And then you're right.
00:34:51
And if you're gonna put out something like that, don't drop the football on third down like that.
00:34:56
Catch improved.
00:34:57
Why? They should throw the ball.
00:34:58
Now, You guys let one of your tight ends go from last year and he went over to it first.
00:35:03
Yep.
00:35:04
Is missing him and not having him.
00:35:06
And, ah, the other guy.
00:35:10
My fantasy team.
00:35:11
Uh, Mark Andrews.
00:35:12
Magic Andrews is missing he****s, that other dynamic? Because I remember when we played you guys.
00:35:18
Week nine last year.
00:35:20
It was Hayden Hurst and Mark Anderson ripped us apart.
00:35:22
It wasn't receivers.
00:35:23
We got killed by tight ends and running backs.
00:35:25
Um, you see, I mean, Hayden Hurst is a great player.
00:35:33
Let me just say that I knew he was gonna bought it because he's on all around.
00:35:36
Tight end, great blocker, great receiver, Fast like he's a great player.
00:35:40
Um, I just think it's more so.
00:35:43
The fact that we only decided to keep two tight ends on the roster.
00:35:46
I think this is more of a personnel problem.
00:35:48
We only kept Nick Boyle and Mark Andrews, as are tight ends.
00:35:51
And the problem with that is that last year we ran the most three tight end sets out of any team in the NFL.
00:35:57
So now we're not able to do that.
00:35:59
We have to totally change the entire offense because that was our bread and butter.
00:36:03
You have Hayden Hurst on the field.
00:36:04
You have Mark Andrews.
00:36:05
Who are you going to cover over the middle, right? So I don't think it's necessarily that we don't have Hayden Hurst specifically anymore.
00:36:13
I think it's more so that we just decided to Onley keep Nick Boyle and Mark Andrews, and that's part of the reason why the offense has been struggling this year.
00:36:21
Well, I'll tell you, I can relate because, first of all, Baltimore stole the three tight ends from New England.
00:36:27
We now have.
00:36:28
Ryan is Oh, that's it.
00:36:31
That nasty ass the way have we have consistently.
00:36:35
Last week we started one tight end and we had a healthy tight end and we kept him in.
00:36:40
Belichick kept him inactive and rolling out one tight end tonight because once hurt the other ones on the I r.
00:36:45
They're both hurt and we're going from a team who consistently ran a three tight end set.
00:36:51
We're now running one undersized tight end, and Ryan is Oh, it's weird.
00:36:58
I'll say the Indy loves running the three tight ends that they were running a lot of three tight and set until, uh, little right before the third quarter ended and Jack Doyle down with a concussion.
00:37:10
And that that's gonna hurt because any place this Thursday and there's no way you could get back in four days, but yeah, man.
00:37:17
Three tight end sets.
00:37:19
When? When you have good tight ends.
00:37:21
Three good tight ends.
00:37:23
It's a matchup nightmare for any defense, any defense.
00:37:26
See, if Indy would have just traded Jack Doyle to New England like I said then he wouldn't have be again.
00:37:34
You're in Ohio, I think.
00:37:44
Any closing thoughts that we have here, Should we just go ahead and close on out? I lose.
00:37:58
I think Nick Boyle will second guess next time trying to leap over a line back.
00:38:03
I'm sorry.
00:38:04
Uh, if you haven't seen that radio, check that out.
00:38:07
I'm sure it's somewhere.
00:38:09
Um, but yeah, various Leonard body slam dio.
00:38:13
Stupid, Stupid.
00:38:14
But anyway? Uh, no, I think I think that I I honestly I hope that I see Kim.
00:38:28
If he throws 30 times, it makes catch.
00:38:29
I just don't think it can happen, Lawrence.
00:38:31
Like I just like, that's me.
00:38:33
It's not that I wouldn't love to see it.
00:38:34
Dude, I grew up with Tom Brady.
00:38:35
You know, he throws the football.
00:38:37
Um, guys, we're gonna like to see him get back on track.
00:38:40
You know what I mean? A little bit.
00:38:42
We're going to see the equivalent of watching a tickle fight tonight.
00:38:45
That's all I think.
00:38:46
Interesting game is gonna be even for a patriot.
00:38:48
Bricks.
00:38:49
Yeah, with it's gonna be, uh it's gonna be an ugly bad game.
00:38:55
Um, that's why the Patriots have to win.
00:38:58
Because there's nothing worse than watching an ugly bad game and losing an ugly bad game, right? So how great would it be if the Patriots lose back to back against Joe Flacco and then the Baltimore Ravens? It would be absolute nightmare for the Patriots fans, and I'm here for it.
00:39:13
I am here for it because you guys absolutely were the terror.
00:39:17
For the longest time of the A F C so I don't hate it, man.
00:39:20
As much as I like you, Ray, I'm kind of happy that the Patriots air sucking I can't lie.
00:39:24
I don't hate it either.
00:39:25
It's, you know, I'm not happy about it.
00:39:27
Obviously, I don't hate it, though.
00:39:29
It's it's I said to the other day, to somebody just goofing around.
00:39:33
And I said, You know, we've got the whole world set up perfectly Everybody's gonna look at this season.
00:39:38
I think the Patriots their done and then Belichick's gonna go spend 60 care and have a draft. Never.
00:39:43
He's gonna go e don't know.
00:39:47
They'll come back and be dominant next year.
00:39:49
But I think give him two years. I just want competitive.
00:39:52
I told people were never gonna be dominant again.
00:39:55
Um, you know, I we talked about a little bit this yesterday.
00:39:58
The it's the the changing of the guard has come, Um, you know, in the Mahomes and Lamar's and the boroughs and to us, and, you know, all the youngsters were taking over.
00:40:07
I just wanna be if your competitive and you could make the playoffs, you can win a Super Bowl.
00:40:12
That's always been my thing.
00:40:14
Just make the playoffs, You can win a Super Bowl.
00:40:15
The 2018 Patriots weren't a great weren't the great Patriots from the past, But they made the superb or made the playoffs and won the Super Bowl. Right.
00:40:23
And we've We've seen it a lot more in the NFC and with the Giants, the Eagles.
00:40:27
We've seen teams that aren't great, but you make the playoffs and you always have a chance.
00:40:33
Yep.
00:40:34
All right, fellas.
00:40:35
We're gonna go ahead and get on out of here.
00:40:36
Thank you guys. So much for watching.
00:40:38
We had a great discussion today.
00:40:40
Um, you know, game coming up in just under an hour, So we will see you then.
00:40:45
As for me, I have been Jones.
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Patriots won’t have fans at Gillette Stadium for remainder of 2020 season
Teams throughout the NFL continue to grapple with the notion of having fans in the seats for home games. Some have already implemented a limited capacity structure, while others still have postponed fan attendance indefinitely. The New England Patriots are in the latter category, and then some. New England announced Monday it would not host […]
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What's going on, everybody? It's Joe.
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New Beau alongside my guys Laurence Owen and Ray routes the o genius of SportsCastr news as we are.
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How you doing, fellas? Wonderful.
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Monday today, Victor Monday for me, not for not for Lois.
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And, uh, we'll see.
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We'll see how how race team does site.
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But I don't know.
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You want to tell the people about your new look? Maybe some people are in our familiar with Why you Why you may be changed your look up a little bit here.
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Well, this was this is the, uh, reasoning behind a specific bet that I've made with another co host.
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Well, actually, the host of this stream right now for the game yesterday.
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You know, clean shave.
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Well, it was clean this morning.
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It don't look quite as clean now and then the mohawk for myself, because, well, let's just face it.
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I'll get my goatee back fast enough.
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So this is coming.
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Funny thing.
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Situation that I want.
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Hey, I live up to my that stand.
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That's what's up.
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Man of your word, that's for sure.
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And I get to stay with the bushy bushy look for for no shave.
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November so I got to get to keep my word.
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So, Ray, the Patriots Not only do they have a game tonight, but apparently they're not going to be having any more fans for the rest of the season.
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This I guess this is fairly recent news.
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So, Ray, as a Patriots fan, what's your reaction? It's not surprised.
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They just put a curfew in.
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In Massachusetts, people aren't allowed out past 10 o'clock.
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Bars have to stop serving in 9 30.
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Obviously, is Kobe 19 spikes across, uh, everywhere.
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Um, like full disclosure.
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But he knows I'm from Canada.
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I don't live in Mass, so it's It's I'm going by the information I see on the news.
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And also, uh, my partner Conner from DPM Commentary, uh, is from Boston.
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So he gives me those updates.
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Doesn't surprise me whatsoever.
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I mean, look it.
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I just feel like we're playing the Miami Dolphins every week.
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No fans in the stands and, uh, you know, it's really funny because a lot of dolphin fans were really, uh, really going at Patriot fans for this, like, Oh, is it because they suck this year and I'm just like, dude like you guys haven't had a sell out in 10 years.
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If one fan base should not be talking about fans not understands, it's the Miami Dolphins, but yeah, I know.
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I mean, listen, uh, the NFL is dealing with co vid.
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We're seeing teams go.
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They know they're now at a point where they cannot have of a major outbreak on have to change any games or changing the schedules around.
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But of course, it's gonna be up to the state.
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I mean, but you know what? I got to give kudos to places like Miami and Tampa Bay, whereas the governor came out and said they could have full stadiums, but they, you know, on their own do, you know, try to stop the spread and stop the curb.
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So I give it to the those fan bases.
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Um, look, at the end of the day, it is what it is, right? Um uh, this is a weird year of football.
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It's, you know, I don't know.
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I'm not saying it's an aspect here, but this is a year like honestly, like, this is a year from a Ravens fan, for instance.
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Like, I don't wanna win the Super Bowl because We're the only ones who will remember, because I think it was gonna try to just eliminate 2020 from their memories and and told him, you know, um yeah, Onley.
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If the Steelers win that, then I'll call that an asterisk here.
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Uh, no, but so yeah.
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Yeah, it za correct.
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Uh, push.
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Push your mic back two inches.
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Oh, sorry.
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I'm always I'm always the loudest one here.
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What do you want me to, Dio? Alright, so that's good.
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Yeah, and eso the like.
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You said the entire NFL is dealing with this covert situation, just like the rest of the, uh Well, maybe not the world is much, but America, right? We're still dealing with it because, uh, for reasons, but, you know, it is what it is, man.
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At least, uh, you know, this is one of those Patriots years that maybe couldn't isn't going the best for you.
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I would say I'm just curious.
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Like how? How is the Patriots fan base reacting to this? Because this is what, The first time in 20 years since you guys have had a losing season, correct? Yeah, The Patriots fan base is just ridiculous, Joe, like, ridiculous it Z, um, there's there's three sets of Patriot fans.
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There's ones who are like me that are like, I kind of take the approach of, like, Listen, we've had 20 years of absolute dominance.
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Um, and really, we've had more than 20 years because I go back to the blood.
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So days we went to a Super Bowl, we were in the playoffs, so I mean, we felt like almost 25 26 years of consistently competing in the NFL.
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I'm also on the approach to that like yes, being two and five sucks.
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But if you score against Seattle, if you, you know don't throw incompletion against Denver, um, the only game that you know if you don't fumble the ball against Buffalo, your five and two and not two and five.
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So the optimism, especially with some of the young players on the team, and that's the way you know my mindset, that is, um, then you have the fan base, that air just freaking out right now. Fire Belichick.
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And it's funny.
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I interview like different, you know, reporters and fan bases on my show.
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And every time I bring up that you know, Patriot fans wanna fire Bill Belichick.
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They're all like, Well, we'll take him, like, of course, don't wanna.
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We'll take a Belichick can't draft Belichick is.
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And this Brady brought out the best in Belichick.
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I mean, I put out a tweet today, but the hypocrisy of Patriot fans, um, you know Tom Brady is the reason the Patriots won for 20 years.
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He covered up all of Bill Belichick deficiencies.
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You know, Belichick was nothing about Brady, and they lost last night because of Bruce Arians.
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You know that's the Bruce Arians falls.
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He's a horrible coach.
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And how Tom Brady win with Bruce Arians coach.
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So it's just the hypocrisy of it all.
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And then you have the fan base.
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We're now Tampa Bay fans, Um, and if the Patriots to be competitive into competitive in two or three years, they'll be back on the Patriots bandwagon.
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Or, who knows, maybe they'll be Baltimore fans or Kansas City fans.
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Um, we've watched the bandwagon unload, Ah, lot of Tom Brady fan boys out there.
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They're just following Tom Brady wherever he goes.
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I don't know what they're gonna do in two years when he retires, and there's a reason Joe that I'm one of the most hated Patriot fans in past nation right now.
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Well, I think there is at least some, you know, a lot of injuries.
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You're gonna have a high pick in the draft, so I wouldn't totally say the Patriots, and like you said, there's plenty of games that they've lost, that they were very much in and have a good chance to win that game.
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So I mean, yeah, and we want to get rid of Belichick.
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I mean, he's literally the best coach in NFL history.
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Um, I think there's reasons for optimism.
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If you're a Patriots fan, you know, I'm sure you gotta take what you couldn't get, man.
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It's sometimes you get some down years, it happens to the best of us.
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It happens, you know, it is just all about how you bounce back.
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So we're now going through what every single team in the NFL goes through.
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At some point, we're also in.
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It's funny because for years, Patriot fans kept saying they were prepared for this moment.
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They're prepared for this moment.
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Patriot fans were not prepared for this moment, Lawrence.
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They were not prepared whatsoever, and I mean, I think what's more disappointed to me is I'm never a tank guy to change a franchise around.
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Number two is well, well, as a big I'm a big guy Who wants Can Putin signed for the next three years? I think that when you take into consideration, his best receiver was playing with a bunny that eventually needed surgery, other receivers out with a concussion.
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And he made it all undrafted free agents most of this season, Belichick's got $60 million in cap space next year.
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Give the guy some, you know, guys to throw the football, too.
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And then we'll know how Cam Newton can play football for the New England Patriots, right? So it's Yeah, I know what this fan base was not prepared for this whatsoever.
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I'm actually kind of excited for the end of the season.
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I mean, if the Patriots, if Belichick ends up with a top 10 pick in the draft for the first time, we've seen that, and I wouldn't know what the world is going to do with it.
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Well, the last time the Patriot at a Top 10 pick was in 2000 and two, the sixth over our 2000 and one did the sixth overall pick, and they took Richard Seymour.
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One of them, you know, probably the best offensive lineman's in that in that 10 years.
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So, um, no.
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I've already predicted that if the Patriots get a top 10 pick, they're picking a defensive lineman or trading out trading out of the pick because you're not gonna get Justin Fields or Trevor Lawrence with the 10th pick.
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So you might as well either beef up your defense or trade out and build more capital later in the draft, where Belichick doesn't damage.
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Anyways, I'm actually working on like a little mini doc right now called 43 are Bill Belichick's 43 best draft picks on day? 90% of them are either second to fourth round or undrafted free agents. E.
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I mean, it's not many of them come out of the first round.
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Yeah, that's for sure.
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All right, well, aside from that, the Patriots also have a game tonight, and it just so happens to be against the probably the worst team in the NFL, the New York Jets.
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However, they are led by somebody called the elites Dragon Joe flat goat who all he needs 108 yards to surpass Joe Montana on the all time passing yards list.
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Um so, Ray, how can you ever stop a Joe Flacco lead Jets offense? And okay, let's be honest there a terrible team.
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You know what we expected from this game? Um, you know what? This game is gonna be a lot closer than people think.
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And because the Patriots air going in with a similar roster to the New York Jets, the Fong Gilmore's out Jawan Bentley is out.
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Lawrence guy is out.
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Dalton Keen is out.
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They had an additional his, but he's not back here on the team till next week because of covert protocols and that kind of thing.
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So and it'll take him.
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A couple was getting So it's gonna be a tight game.
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I expect this to be a run heavy game between both teams.
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Um, Flacco.
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I don't think it's a 200 yards this year when he's played.
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I think Cam Newton is a 201.
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Otherwise, it's been under 200 but he's, you know, you know he's good for 50 to 70 rushing yards per game to kind of make up the other ones.
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I This could be, you know, I'm a little disappointed.
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And Peter fans, I'm not sure if I said this already.
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If I did apologize, because a lot of them are are hoping for a loss tonight and hoping for a tank night.
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I'm not that kind of guy.
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I hate seeing my team lose.
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I'd rather 20th overall and finished 88? No, I got to enjoy it.
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Trees, then, you know, get a top five and and you know, and have a season.
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We only went Plato win.
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Plato win.
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You gotta play with Herm Edwards, right? You play the game toe win.
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Um, so, yeah, it's gonna be a tough game.
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I still in leaning towards the Patriots winning because I think when you have this kind of matchup that comes down to coaching, it's Adam Gays versus Bill Belichick.
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Um, now, I did write an article yesterday, Joe, though for SportsCastr news for sportscast, you've been his first moments.
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He's come out have been a pain in the ass.
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But I just think Adam Gates will Adam gays himself in Belichick without coach him, and the Patriots will win because of that.
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Isn't the offensive line also really banged up from the New England Patriots? Not missing anybody, but four of the five starters were questionable for today's game.
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But from what I see, everybody is gonna be starting.
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Um, I'm really excited to because they have this, Michael um on.
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We knew who for like the like all season has been the top rated offensive rookie of the year.
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And he's a tackle and you think, 1/5 round draft pick and and And this is our common, like our conversation we had this year where I never put a high value on offensive linemen because I and I've realized now that it's not, a lot of teams get this kind of production of the fifth rounders.
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But I'm really excited about him.
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You know, I got to give this offensive line a lot of credit because they've been banged up all season.
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Dante Scarnecchia, who's like the guru of offensive lines, retired in the off season and outside of the Denver game, where they just looked absolutely a trip certain.
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Four Stringer's.
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This makeshift offensive line has been really good, and this and don't forget to one of their best tackles.
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Marcus Cannon opted out for this season.
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Um, and there's Ah, if you watch Isaiah Win has been playing phenomenal.
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There is a play against Buffalo last week where he just like he almost threw a guy like there's a game going now.
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You know, I believe I could fly because he had a You know, everybody keeps talking about what? Help a bunch of guys spend money this year.
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Page Oh, tuning him the $16 million.
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And that's what it takes.
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The guys one of the best guards in the league.
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And when David Andrews went down, he moved into the center position.
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They didn't they didn't miss a beat.
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You know where last joint Andrews was down.
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We really felt that s I've been happy with this offensive line.
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So even though they're banged up, I still have a feeling there they're going to do well.
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But of course you know the Jets, the one thing the Jets do have is a bit of ah, pass defense right there in the top 15.
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So it's gonna be challenging eso.
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That's basically the way I look at it.
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It's gonna be a run heavy game feed. Damian Harris.
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I think that I'm what I'm hoping is that they do designed run plays for Cam Newton and let him get to the because if you can get out to the edge, I don't like their safeties and corners to tackle him.
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And I think you can pick up a lot of yards like that and and from the defensive side of things, I mean, listen, this is I know this sounds stupid, but if there was a position we could afford to lose our top guy.
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It is cornerback because J, especially against a team like the judge, J. C.
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Jackson, is a true number one.
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That's why I do believe Gilmore is gonna get traded in the offseason.
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And they're gonna pay Jackson to be the new number one on the team.
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Last year, the top two in the league, literally by stats when Gilmore Jackson right? And so you got Jonathan Jones and you got Jason McCord and Juwan Williams.
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So, luckily, the Patriots secondary has been tough, and they're not even even if Flacco plays Flacco.
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He's got nobody to throw the ball to, you know, and and and that's where I believe that the Patriots have have the advantage.
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So against they've got to stop the run, that's gonna be the big things.
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Well, wait a minute.
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Now you're talking about you just gonna be a big, heavy run game.
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Now.
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Obviously, the Jets are best at running the football that they actually do quite well.
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Running it, they just suck it passing.
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But yes, New England is not great at passing the football.
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But this is like one of the worst passing defense is in the NFL.
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Do you think this this is a game? I'm sorry, Joe.
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I'm taking over this question.
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But both of you guys, man, do you guys think this is a game where Cam Newton might be able to come back and start getting his groove back in the passing game? Even with a depleted receiving corps payment? Because of the depleted receiving corps? To be honest with you, Jacoby Meyers watched Jacoby Meyers.
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And he's a guy that all season I've been screaming.
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You need to give this kid more snaps.
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He was in the udf a last year.
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He had, like, 500 passing yards or 450 passing yards from Brady last year, then they haven't used him.
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Now, with Nikkila Harry out, Nadelmann out, he's starting to get involved in the game.
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Yeah, look, the Pats have the Jets have the 32nd worst passing offense in the NFL, the Patriots of the 30th.
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So let's not pretend that these air to high octane throwing teams, Um, I can't think the Onley thing is, is, you know that I mean, the Patriots of the seventh best passing defense in the NFL, so I don't think it's gonna want to throw the ball.
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Maybe maybe Belichick decides to test at 29th.
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Worst defense in New York.
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But I still I've already predicted that there is not gonna be over.
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I think there's gonna be, like, 300 yards of total passing between Flacco and Cam Newton tonight.
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I don't expect this to be a quarterback type of game.
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Yeah, I could see that.
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The thing with the Patriots, man, I feel like just the way they're built.
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They need to be like almost, um, pretty much what I asked for from my offense from the Lamar Jackson offense allowed Cam Newton's legs to open up the passing game right? Make it a threat so that there's some open guys down the field.
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You know you don't have the best receivers, just kind of like the Ravens situation.
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And that's why having a mobile quarterbacks like Cam Newton, you've got to be able to use them and make him a threat.
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Make defense's on their toes, make him off balance like our POS play action passes.
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Keep, you know, just keep being creative motions before the snap.
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I think if the Patriots are able to do that tonight, they should be able to win fairly easily.
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But this is a divisional matchup, and for some reason the Jets just always seem to give the Patriots some trouble.
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Uh, you know, no matter how bad they could be.
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So, yeah, this could actually be a potentially like a super low scoring, just defensive grinded out battle.
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But, uh, I could see the Patriots winning, but I would.
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I kind of want to see the Jets win just for like, scientific purposes.
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You know, like does the just the entire Patriots fan base just go in shambles and just ask for Belichick's head after the Jets beat them tonight? Well, Connor and I won't be asking for Belichick's head if they lose tonight, because that's ridiculous.
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You know, this is obviously a personnel problem.
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Um, just on Belichick, too.
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But you know what? I don't look at his cop out, and we sold out for three Super Bowls like they did, You know what I mean? And now I'm surprised he said it, but he said it and it's true.
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And I'm looking at Pitt Fans going? Yes, we went to four Super Bowls in five years.
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There's teams like the Bills who have never won a Super Bowl, you know? And we're complaining.
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Um, but we will.
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You know, Connor and I always try to lean on the positive side of things, like even on losses.
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Let's like, even when I got blown up to San Francisco, we were like, You know what? We liked how this guy played.
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We like this.
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Um, we're gonna let it all hang out tonight.
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There's stuff we have held back on, and we said if they lose to the Jets, we will now we both of us to discuss this and because of the injuries, were kind of going back on that a little bit going, Let's see where the attack and if we see it is an injury issue, then we'll hold off and not freak out.
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But I just I can't be that fan Joe that just you know what I mean? Like it's I'm not spoiled.
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Let's put it that way.
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I'm not a spoiler.
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I'm from Toronto, where we just like for the city of Losers.
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We finally want an M B A championships.
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So it's like to be a part of this.
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It would be a Patriot fan for the last, you know, 25 years, 27 years over long.
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It's been I've been.
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I've been so lucky for the pure football purist tonight who likes to see things.
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I want you to watch for Anfernee Jennings and Josh.
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You say That's the Patriots 2nd and 3rd round picks, and with Bentley out, I expect those two guys to get a healthy diet of plane tonight.
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That could be I have a feeling if these guys go off that they will be our two linebackers going forward.
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I'm gonna pretty now, and it it kills me to say this, but I could see Dont'a Hightower on the move on not coming back next season.
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As much as I'm saying thes two guys may be the future and the Patriots may be able to move off that that contractor for Patriot fans, He's my favorite player of freaking all time for the Patriots, so don't get on me for saying it.
00:20:13
I'm just talking pure football right now.
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Fair enough.
00:20:17
So next week, Ray, the Patriots have to go up against the little team known as the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday Night Football.
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So right now on my on day, how are how are you feeling about that game? I We don't have to talk about it too much because we can obviously talk about it more as the week goes on.
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Let me put it this way.
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I'm hoping for a win tonight, and I'm gonna savor this victory because it's been five weeks since or six weeks since we've been able to celebrate one, and I'm gonna savor one before we have to face Baltimore because the Patriots can't stop the run.
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And Baltimore, I've heard, knows how to run the football bit.
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There's rumors out there that they know how to run the football and considering that the Patriots pass offense is so good and John Harbaugh is smart.
00:21:09
You never know all over the Patriots.
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Listen, if the Patriots can the is it impossible for the Patriots to turn this season around and make the playoffs? No.
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Is it improbable? Yes, right.
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It's improbable.
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ASL, long as they're not mathematically out there is a chance, but it needs to run the table.
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And that means they need to go through Baltimore.
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They need to go through Arizona.
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They need to go through the Chargers, which is no pushover of a game.
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Eso I'm no longer looking ahead.
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I was looking ahead week three when they were two and one.
00:21:43
Okay, we got the Chiefs if we can.
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You know, even if we lose the Chiefs, we could beat this team.
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Now I'm like, I'm gonna just game at a time, Um, beat the Jets.
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And I know that I get five days or six days of of we want a game, you know, And then we can.
00:21:57
And then you know, you'll you'll hear me talk about Baltimore later this week, and it won't be nice things, but patriots e I know that you are a defensive guy Ray.
00:22:09
But how upsetting or exciting would it be for you if this ended up being an offensive game? And both teams scored 30 plus points? I think that it would be upsetting to me on Lee because the defense is the only thing I can Kang on this team.
00:22:28
And if the defense gives up 30 30 points of the Jets, how many are they going to give up? The Baltimore, you know, just that's my thing.
00:22:35
How much are they going to give up the Kyler? Murray? How much are they gonna give up to to, uh, we still gotta play that.
00:22:39
What? You know, um, this defense is the identity of the patriots.
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Obviously in the team, Um, you know, And obviously you have to work out the way I had hoped.
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Um, which I think was one of the key pieces.
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No.
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If if this turns into a shootout tonight, even with wind, it won't.
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I'll feel worse about a win to the Jets and a shootout that I felt about the loss to Seattle because I felt great about a loss to Seattle after that game because, I mean, I looked at that and thought this team could, but the injuries to me, it's an excuse your deep enough that you should be able to beat the Jets or if you lose it, be like a 76 game.
00:23:22
You know what I mean? With the offenses couldn't score because it wouldn't surprise me if the offense didn't score and say, Well, the defense is a defense.
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That's what we're building on.
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And we fix the offense in the off season.
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If the Jets put up a ton of points and it's like, Oh, what's gonna negative on? What's 2021 gonna look like? We gotta fix both units. Yeah.
00:23:41
Yep, that's for sure.
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Eso if you don't mind, Lawrence, where you're gonna say something or Okay, I wanted to ask real quick, and we could probably ended with this here.
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I think we've got about 30 minutes.
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Almost, um, outlook for the NFC East because the bills looking real good, man.
00:24:00
I mean, they had a impressive win.
00:24:01
Like you called Ray Credit to you, man.
00:24:03
I didn't see that happening.
00:24:04
They looked pretty **** good against the Seahawks.
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Um, Josh Allen, looking really good props to him and the dolphins also looking pretty good to actually had a very good game yesterday.
00:24:16
So do you think that there's a chance that maybe the Dolphins could end up overtaking the bill's here? Or do you think the Bills, they're just gonna run away with that division? I think it's the Bills division to lose now.
00:24:27
That was a statement game against Seattle, right? Um, they had to win that game and they want a big, which was an even bigger statement, and I know that he I mean, we all said it.
00:24:50
If Josh Allen can keep the ball under control and he's kept it under control and they don't run the football often yet I watched Zack Mosque bully Patriots players who can usually open field tackle.
00:25:03
So why I like Buffalo is they can win it both ways.
00:25:08
They can, you know, if Okay, this is a team that could stop the past.
00:25:12
We'll run it down their throat and we'll put up 130 yards of of Russian and will score three rushing touchdowns.
00:25:18
Um, and I always look at the at the big teams.
00:25:20
You know, the Patriots always came through with the interception at the end of the game.
00:25:24
The fumble, the you know, the sack, the penalty, you know, like something that won a game.
00:25:31
We've now seen that out of Buffalo twice.
00:25:34
We saw it in L.
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A. On the pass interference.
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I keep saying the old Josh Allen probably doesn't score the touchdown, and they still lives the game, even on a brutal called the new Josh Allen.
00:25:44
Did the Patriots game.
00:25:45
Yes, the Patriots were in field goal range to tie up the game there on the 20 yard line.
00:25:49
That's a tie game that Nick focus a chip shot.
00:25:52
The Patriots are probably going to score and win the game.
00:25:56
And when it mattered, the Bills defense came up with and it wasn't just like, ah, week fumble by Cam.
00:26:02
It was a good punch in a good recovery by Buffalo, right? I mean, look, this came out to protect the football better? Yes, absolutely.
00:26:09
But it was a good punch.
00:26:10
Attack the attack, the ball and got it back.
00:26:13
That's what good teams do.
00:26:22
Tom Brady dominating.
00:26:23
I've you look at every tweet I've ever put out that it's always been the Patriots ever make this easy.
00:26:28
You know, like it's more than half the games, always came down to a defensive play or ah, Dr Brady right in that offense.
00:26:36
And that's what the Bills were doing.
00:26:38
And that's why I think that they're for real this year because they're they're made those plays when they need to make them and good teams get lucky.
00:26:45
Sometimes they get the call they get to this.
00:26:47
They get to that.
00:26:49
And, you know, I think back to that Baltimore game on Sunday Night Football back.
00:26:52
I want to say, Joe, maybe I think you might have been 2014 the field goal over the over the upright, but I mean the controversy, whether it was a field goal or not, for the Ravens to win the game right, that he missed right that he put it over.
00:27:07
It was, you know, it was a conversation if third play.
00:27:10
If the Patriots were playing a lesser team that's being reviewed and it's not a field goal, you know what I mean or, you know, whatever, the at the very least is being reviewed.
00:27:18
It probably went over the upright, but it's it's which makes it a field goal in by football terms.
00:27:23
Um, it's probably it's probably, you know, but at least reviewing it.
00:27:27
But good teams like Baltimore, it's not reviewable.
00:27:30
It's a field goal.
00:27:31
Get off the field. It's over, e.
00:27:33
Even though the Patriots screaming to review it and good teams get those breaks.
00:27:37
I think about the the Steelers game from 2018, the Jesse James touchdown that turned on and incomplete pass right because he lost control of the football.
00:27:48
On the very next play, Duron Harmon picks off Ben Roethlisberger and they win when really Pittsburgh should have went falls, whether it's plays, whether it exists, and we're starting to see that in Buffalo this year.
00:27:59
Hey, may I pat my own back for just a moment here? Joe, please.
00:28:04
Didn't you and I had a massive argument before the season started and we were on opposite ends on this? I was saying that Josh Allen made a major jump from his rookie year to a second year and that if he made a similar jump in his third year, he was gonna be one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL.
00:28:23
And you argued with me about that all off season and now Josh Allen went from 58% completion percentage last year to 69% completion percent, and his average goes from 6.
00:28:40
7 Perth Pasto.
00:28:42
Eight point to any.
00:28:44
There's only one touchdown away from what he had last year.
00:28:48
So at his quarterback rating, I mean from 85 toe 107 My goodness, jock out like one of those quarterbacks that's gonna be stepping up this year and it's gonna have toe the entire NFL is gonna have to deal with him.
00:29:03
But let's not forget who I had picking the FCS.
00:29:06
Let's not forget who I had, who I had winning the A F.
00:29:08
C s now I e.
00:29:11
At 79 years.
00:29:15
I'm also think, too.
00:29:17
It's like when you But here's the thing about Josh portals.
00:29:27
It all depends on the situation in two.
00:29:28
And Josh Allen isn't a good situation.
00:29:31
Joe.
00:29:32
I'm going to start arguing that it seems to me like Baltimore doesn't want to do with Lamar Jackson, which is weird because last year that looked like they knew exactly what to do with Lamar Jackson.
00:29:41
You know what I mean? I don't know if this is just experimental But I watch it sometimes and go like I haven't seen a leap from Lamar and I don't blame him.
00:29:49
You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't look at Lamar and and it's I've been watching it go on like it's just weird.
00:29:54
It's just it's weird.
00:29:55
It's a really and you've been a ball before.
00:29:56
I love your insight on Let me, uh, let me just say what we saw in the second half of yesterday's game against the Colts is what I've been asking for all season.
00:30:07
Lawrence can attest to this.
00:30:09
Lamar came out and he was just on point with, like, every single one of his throats, like he was taking what the defense was giving him.
00:30:16
When he had to take off, he was taken off.
00:30:18
I think it's more so on Lamar.
00:30:21
To be honest, I think a code the coaching staff does have a lot to do with it.
00:30:24
But I also think it's Lamar himself.
00:30:26
That is like, I want to prove these guys wrong.
00:30:29
I want to show everybody I can throw the ball and you just in trying to prove everyone wrong.
00:30:35
You're actually proving everyone right because you know, throwing deep is just not working, throwing outside the numbers.
00:30:41
What does work? Quick passes, um, are pose play action passes, rollouts, you know, keeping the defense honest, keeping them off balance like we saw against the Colts.
00:30:53
That's the type of game that I want to see from Lamar Jackson every game.
00:30:57
So, yeah, those two drives, uh, at the end of the third quarter, the beginning of the fourth quarter of those two drives where they scored two touchdown, comes back to back and won the game, Basically off those two drives, that is the Lamar Jackson that we need to see more often.
00:31:14
You don't want to see a Lamar Jackson who's like, Oh, crap, we can't run the football because they're just trying to run the football all the time like you saw in the first half, constantly running the football and unable to move the ball because the team knows you're trying to run the football, use your run, use your play.
00:31:30
Action didn't huddle up.
00:31:36
They didn't flip out any people didn't allow the defense God.
00:31:46
He plays well when you just let him have fun rather than making things.
00:31:49
But he's doing exactly.
00:31:51
Joe, I got a question for you.
00:31:52
Hollywood Brown.
00:31:55
Is there a little bit of disappointment in him? Um, he drops a lot of balls, number one or or doesn't get under a football.
00:32:03
That's what I noticed the most about him.
00:32:04
It's like, Dude, like kicking in fifth and get to that ball.
00:32:08
And I've seen Lamar go talk to him and it looks like Lamar overthrew him by a yard.
00:32:12
But you could see where there was almost a hold up.
00:32:14
You know what I mean? Where? He didn't run through the football.
00:32:18
It's And I think I even saw I didn't get to see much of your guys game, but I think that I even saw you put it to me like Hollywood.
00:32:23
You need to catch that.
00:32:24
You know what I mean? Like is, is there a bit of a disappointment in his progression? Oh, big time. Big time.
00:32:31
And this is what I was afraid of.
00:32:33
I'm not ready to give up on him yet, but this was some of my concerns when we did draft him because he was my least favorite receiver off that draft class.
00:32:41
Believe it or not.
00:32:42
And the reason was because he's a small dude, right? He's fast.
00:32:45
Obviously, he's a pretty decent route runner for being a speed guy.
00:32:49
But catching was an issue that I saw when I watched it was was watching his tape and we see some of that, you know, Yesterday against the Colts, there was a third and seven.
00:32:59
Lawrence probably remembers this Lamar through it like a lot of people were saying.
00:33:03
It wasn't like a great ball.
00:33:05
I didn't think it was that bad.
00:33:06
I thought it was very catchable.
00:33:08
It was a little low.
00:33:09
It was a little bit off, but it was right toe Hollywood's hands.
00:33:12
He should have.
00:33:13
He bobbled it and then he went out of bounds and didn't catch the ball here and basically saying What's the point of having soldiers? If you're not even using them, you know what I'm saying? Then you come out and have that type of drop on a third down, which is a crucial play.
00:33:34
Um, you just can't be doing that type of stuff.
00:33:36
If you truly believe that.
00:33:39
You know you belong with your cousin.
00:33:40
Who? Antonio Brown, which is what it seems to me like then you got to show it, you gotta be able to take over games, and he just hasn't been that at all.
00:33:49
Um, you know, we last year there was this connection from him and Lamar that it was just that That's one of the reasons why I thought he was gonna have such a huge leap this year because I saw the connection that they had.
00:34:01
It just hasn't been there at all this year.
00:34:02
I don't know if it's because defense's are doubling Hollywood and Mark Andrews.
00:34:07
They already know, like that's Lamar's two favorite targets.
00:34:10
Or, um, if Hollywood is not on the same page. I don't know, man.
00:34:15
It's weird.
00:34:16
It's I'm not giving up on him yet, but it is a little disappointing for sure.
00:34:20
Yeah.
00:34:21
Lawrence and I ripped Brown after that behavior.
00:34:28
You know you don't like your cousin, right? Uh, it's, you know, your as a receiver.
00:34:34
You can't call your quarterback out.
00:34:36
You know what I mean? You can't call your quarterback or publicly have a private discussion with them.
00:34:40
You can't call them out publicly.
00:34:42
Um, because, yeah, Brown could be a great receiver, but it's you know, all you're gonna do is **** off, Lamar.
00:34:48
By putting it up like that out and he's not.
00:34:50
And then you're right.
00:34:51
And if you're gonna put out something like that, don't drop the football on third down like that.
00:34:56
Catch improved.
00:34:57
Why? They should throw the ball.
00:34:58
Now, You guys let one of your tight ends go from last year and he went over to it first.
00:35:03
Yep.
00:35:04
Is missing him and not having him.
00:35:06
And, ah, the other guy.
00:35:10
My fantasy team.
00:35:11
Uh, Mark Andrews.
00:35:12
Magic Andrews is missing he****s, that other dynamic? Because I remember when we played you guys.
00:35:18
Week nine last year.
00:35:20
It was Hayden Hurst and Mark Anderson ripped us apart.
00:35:22
It wasn't receivers.
00:35:23
We got killed by tight ends and running backs.
00:35:25
Um, you see, I mean, Hayden Hurst is a great player.
00:35:33
Let me just say that I knew he was gonna bought it because he's on all around.
00:35:36
Tight end, great blocker, great receiver, Fast like he's a great player.
00:35:40
Um, I just think it's more so.
00:35:43
The fact that we only decided to keep two tight ends on the roster.
00:35:46
I think this is more of a personnel problem.
00:35:48
We only kept Nick Boyle and Mark Andrews, as are tight ends.
00:35:51
And the problem with that is that last year we ran the most three tight end sets out of any team in the NFL.
00:35:57
So now we're not able to do that.
00:35:59
We have to totally change the entire offense because that was our bread and butter.
00:36:03
You have Hayden Hurst on the field.
00:36:04
You have Mark Andrews.
00:36:05
Who are you going to cover over the middle, right? So I don't think it's necessarily that we don't have Hayden Hurst specifically anymore.
00:36:13
I think it's more so that we just decided to Onley keep Nick Boyle and Mark Andrews, and that's part of the reason why the offense has been struggling this year.
00:36:21
Well, I'll tell you, I can relate because, first of all, Baltimore stole the three tight ends from New England.
00:36:27
We now have.
00:36:28
Ryan is Oh, that's it.
00:36:31
That nasty ass the way have we have consistently.
00:36:35
Last week we started one tight end and we had a healthy tight end and we kept him in.
00:36:40
Belichick kept him inactive and rolling out one tight end tonight because once hurt the other ones on the I r.
00:36:45
They're both hurt and we're going from a team who consistently ran a three tight end set.
00:36:51
We're now running one undersized tight end, and Ryan is Oh, it's weird.
00:36:58
I'll say the Indy loves running the three tight ends that they were running a lot of three tight and set until, uh, little right before the third quarter ended and Jack Doyle down with a concussion.
00:37:10
And that that's gonna hurt because any place this Thursday and there's no way you could get back in four days, but yeah, man.
00:37:17
Three tight end sets.
00:37:19
When? When you have good tight ends.
00:37:21
Three good tight ends.
00:37:23
It's a matchup nightmare for any defense, any defense.
00:37:26
See, if Indy would have just traded Jack Doyle to New England like I said then he wouldn't have be again.
00:37:34
You're in Ohio, I think.
00:37:44
Any closing thoughts that we have here, Should we just go ahead and close on out? I lose.
00:37:58
I think Nick Boyle will second guess next time trying to leap over a line back.
00:38:03
I'm sorry.
00:38:04
Uh, if you haven't seen that radio, check that out.
00:38:07
I'm sure it's somewhere.
00:38:09
Um, but yeah, various Leonard body slam dio.
00:38:13
Stupid, Stupid.
00:38:14
But anyway? Uh, no, I think I think that I I honestly I hope that I see Kim.
00:38:28
If he throws 30 times, it makes catch.
00:38:29
I just don't think it can happen, Lawrence.
00:38:31
Like I just like, that's me.
00:38:33
It's not that I wouldn't love to see it.
00:38:34
Dude, I grew up with Tom Brady.
00:38:35
You know, he throws the football.
00:38:37
Um, guys, we're gonna like to see him get back on track.
00:38:40
You know what I mean? A little bit.
00:38:42
We're going to see the equivalent of watching a tickle fight tonight.
00:38:45
That's all I think.
00:38:46
Interesting game is gonna be even for a patriot.
00:38:48
Bricks.
00:38:49
Yeah, with it's gonna be, uh it's gonna be an ugly bad game.
00:38:55
Um, that's why the Patriots have to win.
00:38:58
Because there's nothing worse than watching an ugly bad game and losing an ugly bad game, right? So how great would it be if the Patriots lose back to back against Joe Flacco and then the Baltimore Ravens? It would be absolute nightmare for the Patriots fans, and I'm here for it.
00:39:13
I am here for it because you guys absolutely were the terror.
00:39:17
For the longest time of the A F C so I don't hate it, man.
00:39:20
As much as I like you, Ray, I'm kind of happy that the Patriots air sucking I can't lie.
00:39:24
I don't hate it either.
00:39:25
It's, you know, I'm not happy about it.
00:39:27
Obviously, I don't hate it, though.
00:39:29
It's it's I said to the other day, to somebody just goofing around.
00:39:33
And I said, You know, we've got the whole world set up perfectly Everybody's gonna look at this season.
00:39:38
I think the Patriots their done and then Belichick's gonna go spend 60 care and have a draft. Never.
00:39:43
He's gonna go e don't know.
00:39:47
They'll come back and be dominant next year.
00:39:49
But I think give him two years. I just want competitive.
00:39:52
I told people were never gonna be dominant again.
00:39:55
Um, you know, I we talked about a little bit this yesterday.
00:39:58
The it's the the changing of the guard has come, Um, you know, in the Mahomes and Lamar's and the boroughs and to us, and, you know, all the youngsters were taking over.
00:40:07
I just wanna be if your competitive and you could make the playoffs, you can win a Super Bowl.
00:40:12
That's always been my thing.
00:40:14
Just make the playoffs, You can win a Super Bowl.
00:40:15
The 2018 Patriots weren't a great weren't the great Patriots from the past, But they made the superb or made the playoffs and won the Super Bowl. Right.
00:40:23
And we've We've seen it a lot more in the NFC and with the Giants, the Eagles.
00:40:27
We've seen teams that aren't great, but you make the playoffs and you always have a chance.
00:40:33
Yep.
00:40:34
All right, fellas.
00:40:35
We're gonna go ahead and get on out of here.
00:40:36
Thank you guys. So much for watching.
00:40:38
We had a great discussion today.
00:40:40
Um, you know, game coming up in just under an hour, So we will see you then.
00:40:45
As for me, I have been Jones.
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