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00:00:01
Mangini was the guy.
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Everybody Mangini was a guy make.
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Really? Well, now I'll give Rex Ryan's credit.
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It was a great defensive mind.
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He changed and we change from the 43234 That's what we got.
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Todo que you have a a fact.
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What you expect? So we'll have just talk, bro.
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I'm not your bro.
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I don't I Yo, bro, I was Rex Ryan fan, and I was like, All right, now these guys trust me, it hurt me to see Rex Ryan struggle, bro.
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Like those first, those first.
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Who's Rex Ryan? I love it even then to take Brett Farve.
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And then he chose bum ass.
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Um, I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna put the jets miseries on these guys.
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E I'm a giants front e a You guys in a giant? I'm hoping you guys keep Gettleman because I have a sick film.
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A You think giants a tanking? You said natty, that they are playing hard Johnson playing hard that they they play tanking to that they last year the last two years Always.
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Yo, bro, hold up.
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God, most logic.
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How do you guys taking when you literally probably gave Tampa Bay one of the toughest matchups that you don't have a secondary.
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You don't have a good secondary and you play Tom Brady masterfully.
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You think you know what good tanking is? That's what? Yes, yes, you know what you know so that they're like three Jets games this season, but only down by, like, 10 or 15 going into the fourth quarter.
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And what do we do? Run it up the gut with Frank Gore? I'm, like, way have There's no e love it.
00:02:20
Let us get Trevor Lawrence is clean up.
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We take with professional tankers, bro way Get to the Giants.
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How did Daniel Jones get to the Giants? And how the, um Danny, um, say corn barker to get to the Giants, huh? And then number 3456 Number six picks.
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That's not tanking to U.
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S.
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So I'm talking about s Oh, God, I'm talking about this year.
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So your other years I'm not necessarily that, but you guys, Odell Odell was like 13th or 18th, right? You know, it was tanks used.
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We just smarter than you know than most teams.
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And thank you guys.
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We're still all in e tell you something.
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Giants fans were spoiled, man.
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He thinks e you are You're like, Yo, bro, I would love to see Sam.
00:03:11
Donald and I have not seen Sam during a long time in the fourth quarter.
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Make a meaningful throw in the fourth quarter was like, Yo, you guys, I watched that Tampa Bay game, bro.
00:03:21
I was impressed by by your team.
00:03:23
Your team is not.
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I don't think you guys play that good even in your one win against the Washington Redskins, because I mean the talent wise against Brady, their defense like, bro, you got Aaron Rodgers.
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You guys made Aaron Rodgers like people look like how my Iran's let's go back in the Tampa Bay.
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But **** Joe's is making throws.
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And if it wasn't for two stupid interceptions, right, the one where he threw off his back for wise against sac on.
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There's another one.
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Um, I can't remember the other one, but the first time it was a bad one.
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Like I look at the Giants and the crazy about giants.
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Is it have a sick feeling that if you guys get rid of Gettleman because Gettleman likes to build the trenches.
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Right.
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So you're and maybe Andrew Thomas now, you might move them to the right if you draft the Panola so well from Oregon, I'm telling you, he's gonna get fired.
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What? You My thing is come back.
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You're gonna be good.
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I think you kind of work is gonna come back.
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Giants are gonna be straight.
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They're gonna have a high draft pick.
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Giants will be straight was E o Giants and JT Philip's E.
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Even though I don't trust the high school Grandma Um, yeah, you're Carol Lawrence.
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You re grow.
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Sorry.
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Sorry.
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Sorry. You said You know what? I do my bad. And you froze my back. You say it again is my nightmare.
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We thought we get the first pick, the draft, Trevor Lawrence and feels is the better player.
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Ah, don't say that.
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You know, that s so one thing that I mean on the on the opposite.
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I think it's better than Trevor Lawrence.
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I'm actually I'm actually alright.
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I'm not I'm not sure about that.
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But I'll give you one thing. I'll give you one thing.
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Here's what I'm scared about.
00:05:24
What? Trevor Lawrence.
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He's always had good receivers with Justin.
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Ross this year.
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He's had good receivers with Clemson.
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Is receiver factory, right? I don't know.
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I don't e I don't know who the receivers off for.
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JT Fields.
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Honestly, im not watched enough of him, But I just traveled e I'm gonna tell you about Trevor Lawrence.
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He puts the which he puts the ball in harm's way and he gets somewhere within Clemson.
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You a ball the wrong way in harm's way.
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Way he he has e.
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I guess there's a gun slinger you like to call it, but like he gambles like he'll he'll throw the ball 50 50 and let his wide receiver.
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I don't know.
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He gets away with Clemson, but he will.
00:06:22
He will talk about what if he sees one on one coverage, which I kind of like, but he doesn't a little too much for me.
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My take is trouble.
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Lawrence has so much experience that the fact he went back to college, I think is gonna be a benefit to when he gets to the because he had the time to make his mistakes.
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And now and he says to me, getting too.
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I think it's gonna go back if the Jets from number one is going back to soothe.
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My whole thing is I feel like a lot of teams in the NFL right now are learning from the L A Rams and how they were able to build, get that quarterback, the running back and they got.
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They filled up the whole roster and and that came out of no was last year or two years ago when it came out of nowhere and there goes, ran second, the whole league.
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So the Giants, the Giants are not too far behind from that.
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And that's when I started learning.
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I'm like, Wait a minute, you know, they tend to get to do everything they did, and they just they just thought so.
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That is what I'm saying.
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This is why, you know, I think I can see the Cowboys tanking and why teams were talking while YouTube.
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BC videos Talking about the Cowboys should tank Or, you know, in this e a za.
00:07:55
Much of you guys like to thank you guys Air still in the NFC race, which is disgusting.
00:08:00
That's crazy to say a NFC race.
00:08:05
So the Giants win the next two games.
00:08:07
You just eagles and eagles and Cowboys.
00:08:13
You guys played next.
00:08:14
Eagles in skins regard with Yeah.
00:08:22
No, no, This no, this to the Jets.
00:08:25
But you can t o e gets a garbage, You know, we owe comedy Goto every post game interview.
00:08:51
They have a Adam Gays.
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It is the most cringeworthy.
00:08:55
Want to say something You see from a coach, bro? On s I feel like the Jets are late.
00:09:07
Oh, Thio in terms of trying to get assets for Sam.
00:09:13
Donald, I'm trying.
00:09:14
I'm trying to talk to you. See how the Jets have.
00:09:16
The Giants are trying to trade Odell Beckham Jr for two first round picks and player, I feel like that's what the just trying to do with Sam Dorner's right now.
00:09:24
The Giants behold a hold up.
00:09:25
The Giants were smart.
00:09:27
You? Why would you want to drink Beckham? Why would you? You should have just given the franchise tag, trade him, Then you get a pick.
00:09:34
You guys sign smart.
00:09:38
That was you guys got You guys literally changed up.
00:09:41
You pull the next move where you made a bad decision and then try to clean up.
00:09:45
If you franchise tag and you would have gotten picks.
00:09:47
E you gonna pay them 20? You guys agreed to paying with 20,000,008.
00:09:54
20.
00:10:00
See, that's the thing about it.
00:10:01
Is that here's what you guys go for a message to? You guys held onto Eli way too long.
00:10:06
Okay.
00:10:07
Most of Eli.
00:10:08
He was done.
00:10:09
He was taking a picture with you guys.
00:10:11
Should have drafted Sam.
00:10:12
Donald, Sam, darling with Odell Beckham in group.
00:10:16
Alright, I'll say this now.
00:10:17
You told me Sim.
00:10:20
Mostly calm Barkley, right? No, stay calm. Barley.
00:10:24
Seo del. Whatever.
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Ingram.
00:10:26
You guys probably have had a slate and still whatever, uh, pay for the lions, All these weapons Sam **** doesn't have any weapons.
00:10:33
Really throws some of that team does not look better.
00:10:37
They're not sneak in the NFC East.
00:10:39
Sam.
00:10:40
Donald, that team you are sniffing the playoffs, you know? Why does can I ask the question? Why does before before I get the Oh, is that if you get a good young quarterback before you have to pay him and he's on his rookie deal, you can put you can spend the money on elsewhere, and then you could build a You know, that's what happened with Seattle with Russell Wilson.
00:11:08
I'm my home, Joe Burrow.
00:11:13
If you have a good young rookie quarterback, then you can.
00:11:17
You could spend money everywhere else while he was on his rookie deal.
00:11:21
And then you can have a good team.
00:11:23
But then, once you have to pay him, that's when you can't pay up everybody else.
00:11:30
So that's what that's what, then that's when they that comes out, your your windows.
00:11:33
When you draft a young quarterback and while you still on that young deal, you spend the money other and you build a good team and you try to win.
00:11:41
You know, a big contract.
00:11:43
You Dallas tried to do that with that, but now it's time to pay.
00:11:49
But you know who's on your Jones.
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Daniel Jones.
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Give me this.
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This offseason.
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The Giants better stack up and try to make a run before they have to pay him.
00:11:58
You think the oh, is that worth it? He's only a year and a half end, so still early.
00:12:08
You know, he sometimes he showed some really good flashes.
00:12:12
These issues outside the numbers are outside the marks right, like that's where most of the interceptions come from, Right? You got that, Eli? If you don't want to give up on a plate.
00:12:24
Yeah, but if he does get weapons, so for the Jets, at least I know who I want, Trevor Lawrence.
00:12:31
And give me Terrence Marshall from L s U.
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Because we have to in the first round, even though I was doing some draft.
00:12:36
And you could pick a Walter little from Stanford.
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Because we do. We still need people for the whole.
00:12:41
I mean, George was actually having a good run until you got hurt, but you need a legit right tackle.
00:12:47
Um, so I e you can't see why why The jets in a wide receiver draft come on the draft with weapons? Because because, e, uh, themselves memes.
00:13:00
But he's just been hurt.
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Yeah, a solid.
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But Joe doesn't like a late round later rounds.
00:13:10
You could have got Donovan people.
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Jones was just, like, rotting right now.
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You could have got the kid.
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Uh, a but e don't wanna talk about stealing a man.
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That was my god coming from college.
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E fantasy team.
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Basically.
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Well, before dad went down, he was killing him.
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See, Higgins is looking good to.
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You know, that whole class Justin Jefferson, as soon as Dalvin cook went down.
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E o e o Forgot something.
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Oh, Chase Claypool.
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I'm gonna chase Playful, too.
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He is.
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Yo, doing Wide receiver.
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Class was stacked.
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Jerry, Judy grow Henry Wrong looking great, like bro.
00:14:04
What is that doing? Okay, so yeah, it's, uh, injury reserve.
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He's got a hamstring.
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He's tryingto trying to make it in life.
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He did have a nice He did have a nice play with the way our last two games.
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You played really well in the first happening.
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Second was such a poverty team, though.
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It was such a poverty team that that would catch Makes everybody elder Jets fans happy.
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He caught one pass e o a degree wouldn't just make a degree, would you? Should have been looking terrible draft picks for now, as we're taking that for the future, that's e e got to realize, but Robinson his contract.
00:15:07
So he's a another team.
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You've got weapons.
00:15:13
They ain't about that. Overrated.
00:15:16
Wasn't five and three are five and three.
00:15:17
Whatever are the very free bubbling Allen is about, uh, he wants that money.
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E.
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Do you think this Sunday night.
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Hey, incredible Allen Robinson, Paula.
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It wasn't as good a way.
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Also ate there for life.
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Absolutely.
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A Oh, he's had a beer for life, bro.
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Like you guys got interested at Quarterback man.
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True Biscuit.
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Yeah, true Brisky over the ship.
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A Nick Foles is balling e I wish I wish they would put Nick Foles in after the bye week, though.
00:16:02
Boxing and I don't know how e like him high up.
00:16:05
And so I think it was one of you guys made the point.
00:16:08
B Alabama that you can't pick when you talk about college quarterbacks.
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Game experience matters a lot like Robiskie only played 13 games.
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Was it way have been talking about the Bears making way? Greatest running back way crazy freezing, freezing, freezing E and Chris E Better.
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I'm talking E O Barry Sanders, E o per game.
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Barry Sanders went to the O.
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G.
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E.
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Doing in Kansas City being the third string in the back E A.
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And we owe more.
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Adams enjoy his best defensive uses under the Jets the way we use them, because the more Adams is average to not that great and coverage right? So we use them basically as an extra linebacker.
00:17:23
If you still don't wanna line, they move.
00:17:24
Marcus made out to be more of the free safety.
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I wish it would have drafted a dude Williams from Utah, but whatever.
00:17:30
Oh, that draft.
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Can I tell you something? That draft.
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I had my own mock draft.
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My first pick was my homes.
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My second, my second round pick was Dalvin. Cook.
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Get a real job way, E u.
00:18:00
So it's only just message for it.
00:18:01
Way have a chance of way, Garrett.
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Thank No, that that Myles Garrett driving 60 Miles Garrett was the first over.
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I don't even think Myles Garrett was not drive.
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It's different drive.
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So that zero that's a year before.
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That's a different drive.
00:18:29
Okay, That guy.
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No, no, he's right.
00:18:34
No, Miles guy was number one.
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My daddy.
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Oh, yeah.
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Hold on Video.
00:18:48
We picked two safeties in the road.
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It is.
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Who does that E If you look at if you look at the if you look at the franchise tags Uh huh.
00:19:06
So just you know, of course, the highest franchise tag is quarter. No, by position.
00:19:11
His quarterback, right.
00:19:13
Uh, the lowest franchise tag is, um, kickers.
00:19:18
I'm a city Lewis ****ing safeties, man.
00:19:22
Why you draw in the first round a second? You know what? Wasn't this a year that we were enamored after What's the names? Run.
00:19:34
Uh, what happened was that year our safety sucked your higher.
00:19:39
The safeties with Calvin Pro e they drafted we need instead of just getting the best player o e everything that was awesome in the first round.
00:19:54
Four ever had a good years.
00:19:56
Second year was he ain't bad.
00:19:58
Now you got killed for that.
00:20:00
That drop against, uh, 17 was e wanted to be honest with you.
00:20:09
Wanted the best Forget way.
00:20:18
Traded up like a whole bunch of first round picks.
00:20:20
Way Adam's man. That's such a misnomer.
00:20:24
Jamal Adams enjoyed his best individual individual 19.
00:20:29
But individual performances in terms of I'm not saying what I'm saying is way, But you said, you know, you said we ruined them.
00:20:37
I'm, like, way he got traded for, like he got traded for first.
00:20:43
When it's even every guy, right? You need a morale, a scrimmage to basically be that freaking mistletoe.
00:21:04
You can't.
00:21:05
You can't.
00:21:06
Kimpson was a linebacker.
00:21:10
Play a little bit out of coverage.
00:21:11
You know what it is? You know, Jamal Adams is.
00:21:13
He's, um, or he's a more technically sound Bob Sanders Bob.
00:21:20
Faster Bob.
00:21:22
Bob Sanders is more like a missile, Jamal.
00:21:24
As a missile tube, Bob sins would catch you out of coverage and pull you up.
00:21:29
Like, you know, You know what's worse than you know what? You know what's worse than a safety E.
00:21:35
I guess he's gonna be Yes, because it has to be.
00:21:37
Some of the Jets have put a lot of No, I'm just saying, like, first of all, you don't draft safeties in the top half of the first round, right? If you're gonna drop of safety, he better be.
00:21:47
He better be a You better be like a ball hawk generation.
00:21:51
You know, dropping in the box safety six overall.
00:21:56
That's insane, man.
00:21:58
You gotta get you able to do more than just, um, like Dion Sanders.
00:22:04
He was ableto Yeah, a.
00:22:08
Hey had to be a Heisman Trophy candidate.
00:22:13
What's up? Yeah, you got Dion Sanders was discussing discussing.
00:22:19
That's That's a generational talent right there.
00:22:21
Uh, was it that that draft was crazy in the first time you had a You had Derrick Thomas you had.
00:22:33
That's where Eichmann No.
00:22:37
Yeah.
00:22:38
I remember that in the 89 draft toward a Mandarin everything.
00:22:45
A comments that it was five Hall of Famers in the first before Hall of Fames in the first five z.
00:22:57
Look, if it does get give me trouble, Lawrence and turns Marshall from even though I beli want one of the O.
00:23:06
What were you gonna say? Jay? Hey said 80 feels better, but hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:23:10
Can I ask you this? Because you have to be fair, right? If the, uh, Terence Lawrenson.
00:23:20
So, like, give me a team that JT feels because I wanna be like All right, Trevor Lawrence, At least have the chance to compete with Trevor.
00:23:27
Lawrence is nice.
00:23:28
He's worked all that stuff that he whatever.
00:23:31
Um, two things.
00:23:33
Both of them come from Georgia.
00:23:34
And both of them were were one A and one B, and I went to high schools only, like, 100 miles.
00:23:44
So they've been competing against each other. Whatever.
00:23:47
So what happened though? Trevor Lawrence goes to Clemson, starts right away.
00:23:52
Um, just goes to Georgia and had to play behind Jake from who was like in the national championship the year before.
00:23:58
So people, all of sudden people start between them like they're so far apart. They're not.
00:24:05
But the reason why I, like feels, is the mobility aspect of his game.
00:24:11
Trevor Lawrence can move to, but feels like if you the way the NFL is going.
00:24:16
Look at Lamar Jackson.
00:24:18
Right point, um, Josh Allen.
00:24:22
The guys that can move but cash a system to that, though I used to agree with that.
00:24:28
But when you watch Lamar Jackson right the playoffs in your place intimately defensive Heinz Last year he struggled right? It's a misnomer that the running quarterback now, this is why I like my homes right, launches more wear.
00:24:52
They know the same pocket, but it's like they went through one and e O.
00:25:03
That is, like, literally a weapon you have tow.
00:25:06
Watch out for Lamar Jackson's running because it's a It's a legit staple within the offense, right? But they have those three running backs J. K.
00:25:13
Dobbins, Mark Ingram and, um, the other guy can't remember, and they literally Mark Jackson is like not to say he's a running back of the throat, but he's considered that, like, dangerous in that regard.
00:25:23
Now my home is not seen as that, but my homes can move right.
00:25:27
I think that my homes, he could make every throw in the field, right? And it's like, at the very least, that if he started out the pocket right certain third place with Chief, he's gonna run right.
00:25:45
But he could.
00:25:46
He focuses like he made Nazi.
00:25:48
Make sure they can make everything I feel with J T feels you might run into an issue where you play somebody's elite.
00:25:53
Defense is right.
00:25:54
You're outside the numbers.
00:25:55
You can't read defenses problem.
00:25:57
U E o your issues that he's trying to be a gun slinger.
00:26:03
You could hold that back.
00:26:05
Sending you did with Josh Alessio.
00:26:09
Making a travel hours is that knows the playbook inside and out, right? So a lot of times when you see him take a throw is based on the players.
00:26:21
He read the coverage of the coaches.
00:26:23
If you have a like, for instance, for you, you see when you see his, his talent manifest is when he's coverage.
00:26:31
I mean, he's pressure and anticipates the route on the throat.
00:26:35
So it looks like the receiver or he's throwing the ball to the wrong place.
00:26:40
You goes.
00:26:41
The playbook knows about it to be running and anticipates to throw, which I don't have in a fan.
00:26:47
Donald is.
00:26:48
He doesn't anticipate he has to see people open before you lose it.
00:26:52
You bring in Trevor Lawrence.
00:26:54
All those guys that you say are not weapons.
00:26:56
Not for quarterback.
00:26:59
Uh, a Sam Donald can meet guys on the run.
00:27:06
Uh, Donald s so he can make those stores an issue with Sam Donald's that sometimes he becomes a one read quarterback.
00:27:17
Sometimes he locks onto targets.
00:27:19
He has bad mechanics thrown back on his on his back foot.
00:27:22
He doesn't.
00:27:23
He doesn't use his feet enough where and to his credit, right.
00:27:30
But he has to realize he has the weapons outside of Crowder, who's now her and men's.
00:27:34
They didn't have weapons many times.
00:27:36
Sam, don't.
00:27:37
I've seen it.
00:27:38
Where seven down.
00:27:39
We'll have a 36 get outside the pocket.
00:27:40
He has room to run for the first time.
00:27:42
He's doing a little bit more this year.
00:27:43
Last year was doing a lot Where 36 30 talk and he tried to go back to Dolphins game.
00:27:48
We got destroyed.
00:27:49
It was like a third at 11.
00:27:51
Whatever.
00:27:52
He throws a terrible interception and it's like dogs.
00:27:54
You literally could have just ran the ball.
00:27:56
There was no one.
00:27:57
You are a coaching, but that's the thing about if you don't have what you don't have, Coach, you don't have weapons.
00:28:04
You have to use your feet.
00:28:05
Now a guy Josh Allen, right, is like the reverse for him.
00:28:08
Josh Allen had last year.
00:28:10
He had weapons and understand.
00:28:11
You got a great system and they got they got a great system over there.
00:28:14
Racism.
00:28:15
Brian Table, put the weapons down, John.
00:28:18
Uh, they complement his big arm, right? Josh Allen from Wyoming had an accuracy of, like 52% which is terrible or cause brave.
00:28:28
Terrible.
00:28:29
But then I tell you something, e, I'm gonna put I'm a post.
00:28:35
First of all, my home was my my guy.
00:28:37
Josh Allen was My God, I'm opposed to my I'm opposed to my scouting report on Josh Allen and how I debunk this whole concept that he was inaccurate.
00:28:46
So there's a lot of drop passage.
00:28:48
No completion percentage is very tricky because it's something that you can scheme.
00:28:55
You can scheme a guy to have.
00:28:56
Good completion percentage is by giving them easy throat. You.
00:29:00
Why Baker Mayfield In college? Yeah, Baker, Mayfield exact.
00:29:07
Wyoming.
00:29:08
Wyoming played like an NFL type of offense where he was throwing the ball like 2030 yards downfield with some bootleg wide receivers.
00:29:19
And the one thing the one time when he was inaccurate is when he was trying when he was trying to force it.
00:29:25
But, like on a regular Joe like, I didn't see the accurate accuracy issues that everybody was talking about.
00:29:32
And I pointed that out and he ultimate.
00:29:35
I didn't like that Dr Class at all, to be honest with you, but he ultimately was.
00:29:38
My was my was my favorite.
00:29:42
Why was quarterback because of the fact that just pure talent wives, you could work with that if you have good coaching, and that's exactly what happened.
00:29:52
Donald's problems.
00:29:54
I didn't like because he remind me too much of his passion.
00:29:59
I have a question.
00:30:00
I got a question horrible, and then, and he makes he either look spectacular and here's what I always said about him is that he makes the spectacular look easy and the easy look hard.
00:30:13
Rick.
00:30:14
Rick, I got a question now.
00:30:16
Okay? Okay.
00:30:17
My bad giant would have drafted Omar Jackson.
00:30:24
Mark Jackson doesn't work without without without Roman.
00:30:29
What's his name? What's that? Hey, will he be Colin Kaepernick from a p o.
00:30:38
Completely like change the way they run their offense? Just No, it was always the Giants had somebody that was willing to do that he would he would work out.
00:30:48
But you know what, Lamar and say Kwan would have been incredible.
00:30:52
Do you think about that? That would have been a Yeah.
00:30:57
Same drafthouse They wouldn't Can't pick him.
00:30:58
E think they were holed up there were other, but there was like, 30 chump was 2nd, 2nd round, I believe.
00:31:08
Yeah, e trade back up e Yeah, e a Johnston a Lamar Jackson, Nick Cheung Or they could have They could have got both. They could have got Barkley.
00:31:30
Or if they traded back up, If they really liked Lamar, I would a combination.
00:31:35
Uh huh.
00:31:37
That would be crazy.
00:31:40
I really think the giants myself.
00:31:41
Hold on.
00:31:42
Let me you were talking like feels like, you know, feels doesn't even run out all the all this year.
00:31:47
Do you know he has more touchdowns than incompletions? Nobody.
00:31:52
Just like his greatness.
00:31:53
So I'm not I'm not just just feel greatness e a quarterback e.
00:32:00
I just think I just like Trevor Lawrence over Justin Field and wait 66667 This is coming from a guy from Ohio.
00:32:13
Okay, He has not enough experience when he hey playing And what, um, Trevor Lawrence is planning to totally different teams.
00:32:25
Like the SEC is such a powerhouse way.
00:32:29
Trevor Lawrence place in the A C c Yeah.
00:32:33
Trouble Lords don't see nobody until until the playoffs.
00:32:38
Yea, why you're playing.
00:32:43
You're playing Clinton.
00:32:44
My son graduated from Clemson.
00:32:46
E no.
00:32:47
No one isn't on Clemson, man. Salute. Nobody.
00:32:50
Clemson don't play nobody until until the playoffs.
00:32:53
Sharp losses could be number one regarding e because of the but All right, so my parking.
00:33:01
Now, Rick Warren saying that J t Fields is gonna be better, and he might most i e I'm Oh, baby.
00:33:13
Oh, Destined to go to the Jets.
00:33:20
Justin Field.
00:33:21
Mama's gonna go to a better team? Absolutely.
00:33:24
And he going? You know what? We've got a good point.
00:33:28
Feels made prosper because of it.
00:33:30
Better it feels goto Jaguars.
00:33:34
They got weapons.
00:33:35
They got d j chart.
00:33:36
They got, uh I'm not going to the charges.
00:33:40
These charges e j chart they got Who's the other dude? Otherwise, she actually drafted last year.
00:33:48
Hey, ho.
00:33:50
No, no, no, no, I can't.
00:33:52
Yeah, You got a boxing like a skinny.
00:33:56
I'm just looking again.
00:33:59
I could see a stupid face right now, too.
00:34:01
He got Yeah, they showed me all the y receives up.
00:34:06
Um ****.
00:34:07
Why can't anybody got d j chart on and be Westbrook a Dede Westbrook.
00:34:15
He's on the i r.
00:34:16
Right now. The western.
00:34:17
And they got all that lavish casino he got in here injury problems, too, in college too, But yeah, and he got wasn't James Rock.
00:34:42
See, I come in over exceeded absolutely on this team.
00:34:47
What you doing? But you guys got and y'all go.
00:34:52
Hey, you know something down south, boys? Yeah, I'm expecting them down.
00:34:57
Stop These downside for us to play, man.
00:35:00
Yeah.
00:35:02
I got 2000 and 2.
00:35:03
2227 to 2272 yards, 11 touchdowns, five interceptions, 67% completion rate.
00:35:12
Uh, that's pretty **** good.
00:35:15
Who got job veteran? Um, they e a degree is the most overrated.
00:35:27
Robertson Right now that be a J green.
00:35:31
But he missed a two years.
00:35:36
Yeah, right, man, Yeah.
00:35:40
I mean, that's that's what I was.
00:35:42
8000 jets trade for a J.
00:35:44
Green. But it's not me alone.
00:35:46
E could be disappointed.
00:35:48
You could have 32.
00:35:49
33 with you.
00:35:52
What you got receiving Berrios? You know, very, very a back, every every backs embarrassing make Ole.
00:36:06
And then he'll drop a crucial third down play like it's a should be playing.
00:36:13
He said he's not.
00:36:14
Should be.
00:36:16
Should be a 10.
00:36:21
Maybe so.
00:36:22
It s a so what? But since trainee Cincinnati is in a great position, though now, because spend money off season because he was good while he's getting paid while he's not getting paid nothing.
00:36:44
Well, you don't have to pay him yet.
00:36:45
E Brown doesn't spend money though, right? ****.
00:36:49
He spent a lot of money defense.
00:36:51
Okay.
00:36:52
All right, man.
00:36:53
E one e one more offensive lineman, I think the guard? Yeah.
00:37:07
Would you say it is really funny looking? Ohio State, The guard, John Williams.
00:37:12
No, no, no, no.
00:37:15
E a Yeah.
00:37:25
Um, Francis Cinetic are you from? Thanks.
00:37:31
Uh, because Carmelo home.
00:37:35
I know.
00:37:36
I know him.
00:37:39
When he got to the next, it was just a So that means you remember fan to the right.
00:37:45
No, You know what I call them Endeavor.
00:37:47
But when he came to the Knicks, it was all I was all in from there.
00:37:52
Teddy, don't disrespect, but Cincinnati, you haven't been to New York. You haven't been.
00:38:01
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:38:03
It just don't live out there.
00:38:05
Why? Why you trying todo e o and keeping a buck? Cincinnati got like, a dope underground.
00:38:17
Hip hop, like a lot of producers do this. Absolutely.
00:38:21
You know, there's a lot a lot of producers out.
00:38:28
E a Caribbean *******, son e ******* to the fullest.
00:38:44
They got producers out there, Rick.
00:38:45
We'll give them Give them something.
00:38:47
A way about music scene.
00:38:49
We talked about sports right now.
00:38:50
New York a week.
00:38:53
Teddy, Have you been other places besides Cincinnati? I'm a truck job. Travel everywhere.
00:39:00
Job where? That's a crazy job.
00:39:04
Yeah, man.
00:39:05
Just E yeah.
00:39:08
Do this becomes a for real, son.
00:39:11
This dio and with no facts There were no fax e.
00:39:17
I've been in Cincinnati, man.
00:39:19
I wasn't feeling it.
00:39:20
What part? I have no way or in a hotel right across from the stadium.
00:39:26
Okay.
00:39:27
He was in the heart of the city where nobody a Kentucky Right across the river is Kentucky. Yeah.
00:39:34
Don't get me wrong though.
00:39:35
It is.
00:39:36
They got some nice restaurants and stuff like, get me wrong.
00:39:39
But we talking sports right now? Yeah, E And so that is kind of like the city kind of it, Really.
00:39:48
It is in a lot no disrespect to you all from New York way she I **** on New York to New York, Dirty and **** Yeah, from South Carolina, bro.
00:40:01
Like they still got slavery down there, bro.
00:40:03
Like, oh, e lived.
00:40:10
I lived in Chicago for, like, 10 years.
00:40:11
That's a beautiful city right there because you live downtown E because that's where E Tom didn't go past 30%.
00:40:23
But downtown area of Chicago is probably gonna dopest cities in the world to me.
00:40:30
I respect what you want is a terrible man or not y'all but people living.
00:40:34
You know The wind is so strong it shakes your car, Man e, You don't like the people in Chicago? E can't.
00:40:46
There's nothing like New York e don't give a **** what no one has not raised.
00:40:50
Piece is the best pizza.
00:40:51
I got a question for way.
00:40:58
Got a question? Um, what was that conversation you guys had about Bradley, Bill and Michael Porter Jr earlier? Like two hours ago? I want to get into that conversation that you guys, you, Mara, what they were talking about.
00:41:15
I think we were talking about Bradley.
00:41:16
Bill, would you trade Bradley bill for Michael Porter Jr.
00:41:22
A first round of Jeremy Grant and Bobo? Yeah, absolutely.
00:41:34
First round ST Jeremy Grant.
00:41:36
Michael Carter Jr.
00:41:38
Ball ball.
00:41:39
What about them? I'm not doing that.
00:41:42
That's way too much value.
00:41:43
My way home.
00:41:46
Yeah, I want I want to put this out.
00:41:49
This your Bradley bill is averaging 30 in this league already.
00:41:53
So before percent used to train on a team that's not winning.
00:41:58
Right? So you have to take them out.
00:42:10
What happens when you know you said that it was a all right.
00:42:18
We owe winning thing.
00:42:22
Winning the team it takes a team win is not going to take just Bradley Bill.
00:42:27
That's not a good argument to say.
00:42:28
Well, Bradley Beal is not winning.
00:42:30
Look, look, John Wall was out for the season.
00:42:33
Um, he had Who? Davis per times with the seat.
00:42:36
It was him and Davis protons.
00:42:37
Thomas Blood starts.
00:42:40
Yeah, they have a Rick Rick.
00:42:42
I agree with you, though.
00:42:43
You got a good point, Rick.
00:42:45
Your points is wrong, though.
00:42:47
Michael Porter Jr.
00:42:50
Who else? Ah, first rounder and assigning I think it's a sign and trade with Jeremy Grant e goes so fast.
00:43:01
That's about how much How much is, UH, what do you think, right? Like Bobo Bobo don't even play.
00:43:15
Except that whenever you make a shade the team with the best the team that ends up with the best player in the NBA wins.
00:43:24
It was only five guys on the floor.
00:43:26
If you get one guy that gets you 26 27 28 you're winning.
00:43:31
And Moses what you think.
00:43:33
Here's my thing.
00:43:34
Why did Michael Porter Jr drop and why did ball ball drop Why? Yea, okay on you gotta you gotta player, who's already who's who got a season in the league is he's very near to James Harden numbers he's already look at.
00:43:54
Look at Look, let's take time to look at that.
00:43:56
45% from the field, I think. 36.
00:43:59
No, you don't need to say I know his number.
00:44:01
Okay? He's averaging.
00:44:02
He's already gonna start pushing James Harden numbers already.
00:44:06
This he's already like he's already in that level already.
00:44:10
That's it. It's over for the league.
00:44:14
If I could get Brother Bill, I'm trading Michael Porter Jr and Bobo.
00:44:19
I'll give you two first round picks were on the same page.
00:44:23
E three.
00:44:26
I'll give you three first, man.
00:44:29
You talk.
00:44:30
That's crazy for you guys to be.
00:44:32
You know, some of you guys sometimes I question your GM skills.
00:44:37
You expect my gym to the max right there? Yeah, Max, I'm very skeptical.
00:44:45
I'm very skeptical you come through with the way you do, but what a The central question, Rick.
00:44:58
A chance.
00:45:03
But, David, about e o.
00:45:08
But two players who at most my last five years and you're gonna tell him you're gonna pass up on Bradley Bill, who's on his way to average 30 points in this league.
00:45:16
35 points in this league.
00:45:18
And you know what? You would be a Bobo, his bad ankles or bad.
00:45:26
I don't even know what the situation do.
00:45:30
You think there is there any caveat? You keep bringing up the 30 points right? But then you complain They had nobody to play with.
00:45:35
But then, a matter of fact that feeds into the 30 points, right? I mean, he's, Ah, good player.
00:45:40
Don't get me wrong.
00:45:41
He's a good win. He's a player.
00:45:43
That fish, Yeah, but at 30 points again comes to catalyze because there's no one else on the team he could do with you.
00:45:49
He could do with anybody.
00:45:51
That's what we owe.
00:45:57
Who would be the so called? He's on the team.
00:45:59
And who would have the ball in their hands? Look, he could look he could He could shoot it toe.
00:46:04
He could shoot it or he could.
00:46:05
He could run the point.
00:46:07
Whichever you gave.
00:46:08
You want it? I don't know what what I'll give me trying to bring e play is, uh, Is Denver better? Jamal Murray together with joking Bill.
00:46:25
Bill Murray, Bill on Denver.
00:46:28
Does that make Denver a better team than what they are now? Absolutely.
00:46:38
You're gonna pass up on 30 to 35 points because you want help getting 30 to 35 points.
00:46:42
You see, you're not getting 35 e at this point.
00:46:54
You're not.
00:46:55
You're not transplants.
00:46:56
Yeah, that's a matter for the same.
00:46:59
You don't need to wait.
00:47:01
Listen, they don't need 35.
00:47:03
They need the ability to get 35.
00:47:06
Yes, you get to the playoffs.
00:47:09
It's not just two guys.
00:47:11
They got three guys when they if anybody remembers for the playoffs, the issue wasn't this couldn't hit shots.
00:47:22
They very Harris like that like that seems ridiculous.
00:47:27
Yeah, Gary Harris still have a deal.
00:47:30
I think I e you don't think there'll be a better team, which is important.
00:47:38
They still have Barton to the only reason.
00:47:41
Look, there's a reason why I'm hesitant, right? Because and I think M PJ's upside is phenomenal.
00:47:51
Now the back issue it's It could flare up at any moment, ways on.
00:48:01
But I think in PJs upside people were under arraignment just because we've seen what you do in the playoffs, but he was averaging, like 20 minutes a night, Whatever.
00:48:11
I'm just not sure if I'm giving, like I like em PJ's offensive game like I think that he I might say he's he can be as effective or whatever as badly, but I'll give you that so called potential to score 30 30 to 35 points a night in the near future.
00:48:25
But I think that the upside from is not for I think that you I don't know.
00:48:29
It's tough.
00:48:30
It's tough because you make your point.
00:48:32
That look, the first round isn't gonna ain't gonna be of much value anyway, right? I mean, they are.
00:48:36
That team is stacked right? Bobo a country, but he hasn't played, so I can't really count him in.
00:48:42
So the M P J argument.
00:48:43
I think that's where the boys down to me.
00:48:45
But I just hate the fact that we're thinking that rally bill E P J play a whole 82 games e.
00:49:07
Right now next year.
00:49:08
Maybe it's not that, but Michael Porter Jr as that that that secondary or tertiary, score next to the yoke Ege and Murray, when they struggle to get their shots off.
00:49:19
I think m p J can be that.
00:49:21
I'm just saying I don't want e.
00:49:23
Can I ask a question? It's a general question kind of related to this.
00:49:28
So how much you value upside versus having current production.
00:49:38
Good question.
00:49:39
Sorry.
00:49:40
How much you have.
00:49:41
Like, what's the current production upside vs Bills in his prime video.
00:49:49
Be there for watch. Go.
00:49:52
Bill ain't going nowhere for the next 58 years.
00:49:56
He ain't going. No, no.
00:49:57
He getting traded this offseason.
00:50:00
No, but this is just a general e a contributions up e.
00:50:09
I'll give you this.
00:50:10
I'll give you three people with trees.
00:50:13
I'll give you this, Rick.
00:50:15
And your answer right now.
00:50:17
I'll go either way.
00:50:18
Right? If you trade.
00:50:20
If you trade for Bradley Bill, are they winning the championship? Yes.
00:50:24
Good infection.
00:50:25
Yeah, you could ask, Are they? Nobody guarantee you. Nobody guarantee.
00:50:30
Right? Right, Right, right, right.
00:50:31
Do that.
00:50:32
If rally builds on that team.
00:50:34
Right? So they lost in six games.
00:50:36
Five games.
00:50:38
They're better.
00:50:39
Their better regions.
00:50:40
They're closer to a chip with Bradley building Be.
00:50:45
I wanna be, I wanna yeah.
00:50:48
If I make that type of trade, right? And I'm not coming.
00:50:50
J is gonna be hurt like, Hey, can all that ****.
00:50:56
I want to make sure that if I make that trade for Bradley Bill, I'm at the gym.
00:51:00
I'm a champion, not just wasn't conference final championship.
00:51:04
I'm I can't guarantee that.
00:51:06
I don't I don't like can't guarantee it your e about guarantee.
00:51:14
Do I forget guarantee? But do I feel that I said, I feel if I do, I feel like I can win a chip.
00:51:23
You do it because you have.
00:51:25
You have what's enable you have all your best players.
00:51:28
Gary Harris Yokich On long term, you bring in a rally, but I don't b e issue out.
00:51:46
If you take the back issues.
00:51:47
I can't take it out, but what I e.
00:51:54
That's why if you make the trade, obviously the back issues out right? So if you make the trade you're bringing Bradley.
00:52:02
Do you feel that your championship contending that that's fine.
00:52:04
I'm just saying thing with back issues.
00:52:05
That and granted, they do have they have the luxury of a lot of play.
00:52:09
A lot of offensive players on that team, M P J I'm outside of the back issue, I think has a very high offensive ceiling.
00:52:16
Go back to my question.
00:52:18
E o Let's separate, Bill.
00:52:22
But just in general, What's your position on that? Apparently you you like to hold onto upside versus E.
00:52:32
Forget if I feel like if I feel like a win, I'm not saying guarantee whatever.
00:52:36
I feel like I'm a championship contender.
00:52:38
I just know this is I'm not your You're sticking with your sticking with the specific tree.
00:52:44
I'm just talking general in general.
00:52:46
So, like if you have a guy, for example, if you have a guy that you can trade for, that's 26 points per game right now.
00:52:56
Uh huh.
00:52:57
And still young versus ah, young guy, you have to give up a young guy who you think has potential.
00:53:07
It's a it's case by case.
00:53:10
It's not black and white where it I'm a e like current production.
00:53:23
This God compliments players on my team better than and he makes the team like he makes the overall team better.
00:53:30
Like, say, France is like a Jimmy Butler versus Like give me a high upside guy, right that you drive is like these guys have upside like I like players that make my like make other players better.
00:53:41
That makes sense, right? So if I get that type of guy who's giving me that current production, and he elevates my whole team versus one singular player who has really high upside to give you great production like the upside is that he's gonna give you great individual production, I might go for the guy who's giving the current production out if he makes my team better, e.
00:53:59
With like if I had give me, like a high upside.
00:54:01
But I'm just trying to get any.
00:54:02
I'll give you an example.
00:54:04
But let God, What you trying to say, God, I was gonna say, Did you see Davis pretends numbers this year? Who's running the point? That was Bradley Beal, who was making his numbers.
00:54:16
But Bradley? Bill Bradley E.
00:54:20
No, I know that. You know that. I'm talking.
00:54:22
I'm explaining that toe to Gamma because he's talking about.
00:54:26
I want somebody that makes players better.
00:54:28
Bradley Beal makes players better, too.
00:54:31
So what? I'm trying.
00:54:32
I'm trying. E gotta put that in context.
00:54:34
E O God, you always have to make this example, right? You know what? My example is a guy like Chris Paul, right? Chris Paul, That team out of 4% chance to get to the playoffs, right? They don't get there without a Chris Paul.
00:54:54
Right? And Crystal, obviously, is coming from a point guard position.
00:54:57
Typically a point Opposition's to make, in theory, rights to make everybody better.
00:55:01
Right? So, Michio, you That's what I'm thinking of, right? Jimmy Butler, That team with all those rookies and young players they're not getting into The O answered my question.
00:55:12
So your thing is, is that your thing is you're gonna hold on to the upside Because because your bar, if your bar is Chris Paul, then you're a guy that's never gonna make the trip.
00:55:23
You won't even dio.
00:55:24
I literally just said that if the guy is getting me, If I have a team like the for instance, like the Nuggets, right or team, that's Ah, contender.
00:55:32
Western Conference Finals contender.
00:55:35
If I'm getting the guy and it gets me close like a lot closer, right, I know the guarantee argument you make.
00:55:40
It gives me a lot closer with your, but that's my point.
00:55:43
Your bar is high.
00:55:44
Your bar is high.
00:55:45
You're talking about ships or your So that's the high bar.
00:55:51
So that that just lets you know you you lean more towards holding on to the upside.
00:55:57
Well, o e Okay.
00:56:02
Forget Forget the championships, officer.
00:56:04
Oh, me.
00:56:05
Oh, my point.
00:56:09
Teddy.
00:56:10
Tow us. It's a no brainer.
00:56:12
Yeah, like you sitting there like let me.
00:56:16
I got e rally bill.
00:56:30
I'm I might not pull it if I don't feel confident going a championship.
00:56:35
But again, it's case by case like I'm not Let me give you another counselor.
00:56:38
Price e was setting you up.
00:56:46
Oh, Lord. Go ahead.
00:56:47
Go ahead. Good.
00:56:48
Somebody eyes R J.
00:56:49
Barrett has anything to do, Rto Lord.
00:56:52
So wait, Would you trade r J Barrett in a deal that gets you Levine? No.
00:57:05
What? Uh, Levin ain't Bill.
00:57:10
Have you seen the numbers? Uh, about his guy is you see that Z Hey, why? He'll pick getting current production now.
00:57:22
Eyes are the numbers a little bit of that? Wait, wait, wait.
00:57:29
They're both losing.
00:57:31
Yeah, e don't your answers record if you look at and I know Wait, I thought you gave me the tracer thing.
00:57:43
This guy said, This guy is ready to move.
00:57:45
Deal, Right? Bill is much older.
00:57:49
Yo, Jason didn't Bill Bill is over.
00:57:54
Mhm.
00:57:55
Okay, but they're both on losing teams.
00:57:59
So why is Bill moving? Why does Bill move the needle? But Levin doesn't move any needle.
00:58:05
You wait.
00:58:08
You just talking to me or God of a month? Because I'm going to set this straight right now and say Libyan gets on the Knicks.
00:58:23
Is he moving the needle or we still the rebuilding process? What s being said? You better looking back.
00:58:33
And the reason why I loathe because it's over a Rick, please answer the question.
00:58:42
Please answer the question.
00:58:43
Rick E.
00:58:46
Okay.
00:58:49
Yeah.
00:58:52
The way I look out, I don't like that.
00:58:56
I don't like that question because it goes back to the same.
00:58:58
It goes back to the same comment about Oh, this guy, Bill, Look at Bill. He's in Washington.
00:59:05
He's losing.
00:59:06
Or because it takes five players to win.
00:59:09
And also, if I make the trade, it's not like I'm done.
00:59:13
It's not like I'm a g m o.
00:59:15
I get Levin. Okay, I've done my job.
00:59:17
I've done this.
00:59:19
That's just one.
00:59:20
That's just once.
00:59:23
Wait, here's what you're asking me.
00:59:27
Here's what you're asking me.
00:59:28
RJ scores 14 points on 13 shots.
00:59:32
Wait, let me finish my point.
00:59:36
My starting shooting.
00:59:37
I'm not even gonna use his name because that gets people wild up.
00:59:40
My starting shooting guard scores 14 points on 13 shots, and it's very inefficient.
00:59:48
After I make the trade, my starting sugar shooting guard is going to score.
00:59:52
Is gonna averaged 26 points at higher and higher efficiency.
00:59:55
How am I not a better team the day after the trade than I am? What years? Levine, 24 I'm talking about.
01:00:07
But that goes back to my That goes back to my That goes back to my point about current production versus upside.
01:00:14
The reason why you guys were hesitated because you're holding Yeah, R. J.
01:00:19
Has an upside.
01:00:21
Levin is doing this stuff now, but you paying Levin more, But we're not progressive.
01:00:27
Levine is getting weight.
01:00:28
Levine Levine is probably the best value contract in the NBA right now.
01:00:33
He's putting mass production.
01:00:34
You get paid, you get paid.
01:00:36
You get paid less than Randall E.
01:00:42
18.
01:00:43
5 for the next two years.
01:00:44
E think it would be a averages 26 points a game.
01:00:48
You know what I get? What you're saying.
01:00:49
I would get rid of RJ if if that was the if that was the case.
01:00:53
But if let's talk about Julius and the B B, a better debate you, this debate was to say, was to go to the upside versus the production.
01:01:02
E j.
01:01:05
Just the God of Moses.
01:01:07
You can't keep picking whether badly Bill makes plays around and better or whether you play on a bad team, right? Like you keep you, keep switching back and forth.
01:01:15
So is it.
01:01:16
Bradley. Bill made players around him better.
01:01:18
I feel that bad team, but he put great, but he was hamstrung by his terrible teammates.
01:01:24
I just wanna I wanna keep things in context that, you know, Washington drafted really Tamara, and that was very critical for them.
01:01:33
That's a good pick up.
01:01:34
I don't think my whole thing is one.
01:01:37
It does take a whole team toe win.
01:01:39
That's 12 You also have to go with the philosophy off the team.
01:01:44
If the team wants to tank for a high draft pick, then that's the team and being the lottery.
01:01:55
And that's the goal.
01:01:56
And you compete, you know, like that Bashed e The Knicks get bashed.
01:02:05
There was a time when Knicks were getting back that even the Knicks don't even know how.
01:02:09
Tow tank.
01:02:10
Right? There was one season where the Knicks couldn't.
01:02:13
They couldn't tent. You have toe.
01:02:17
So, Bradley, Bill, in my eyes, is doing the same thing.
01:02:21
But, uh, in the East, like they weren't thinking like, I don't understand this e got a problem with, but I got a I got a real problem with the whole concept of labeling guys losers because they are bad scene.
01:02:42
Teddy your Carmelo fan, right? Yes, Carmelo, never.
01:02:47
Carmelo never missed the playoffs his entire career until he got to the next.
01:02:52
And all of a sudden people put that label on him, that he's a guy that puts up good numbers on bad team.
01:02:57
When he was, he won a national championship as a college he won.
01:03:01
When he was in high school, he was in the national championship as a freshman and he went Denver.
01:03:05
He made the playoffs every single year.
01:03:08
Then he gets to the Knicks with bad organization that doesn't surround him with the proper players.
01:03:13
He starts losing and they throw that label on.
01:03:15
So we do that way.
01:03:17
People were doing the same thing on Booker.
01:03:19
Book is only 23 years old.
01:03:21
How you gonna be a loser when you're 23 years old? Knicks fans put these kind of these.
01:03:28
Put these labels on these young players that are doing tremendous things.
01:03:32
When our guys are putting trash numbers are losing team.
01:03:35
I'd rather be.
01:03:36
I'd rather be putting good numbers on a bad team than putting a trash numbers on the back seat, because I know I'm putting up good numbers on a bad team.
01:03:44
If I improved the team, I'm gonna be a better player.
01:03:47
So Booker was.
01:03:48
Booker was a loser until all of a sudden, all of a sudden they got Monty Williams.
01:03:52
They finally got a point guard.
01:03:53
They got Rubio, and all of a sudden they in the bubble.
01:03:56
They go undefeated and people start to look at Booker differently.
01:03:59
I wanna make a question E.
01:04:03
Can I ask you a question? Eyes there any? Is there any example where you value prospect over over current production with a player.
01:04:12
It depends. It all depends.
01:04:14
That's all point, because we're talking in this one direction, but we're talking about Denver.
01:04:19
If I'm Denver, I'm taking Bradley Bill off the rip.
01:04:22
What about someone with Rick? What I'm talking about? Yeah, I could answer that.
01:04:25
I could answer that age.
01:04:29
Factors in if I can get if I can get First of all if I look, I'm gonna go back to the Arjun thing.
01:04:35
If I look at RJ, if you guys look, look, look, look.
01:04:39
A Levin's numbers if art if arts mhm get four years, that's a win for me, right? That's a win, right now, if I could get it now.
01:04:54
And Levin still only 24 years old, I value that more, but because he still fits the timeline with the rest of the young kids.
01:05:03
But if he was 30 then I'm gonna stick with our jail, right? RJ's upside, but I'm not losing.
01:05:09
I'm not losing.
01:05:10
I'm not losing.
01:05:12
I'm not losing that much years of production by getting God that's 24 years old.
01:05:17
That's putting up putting a great number.
01:05:19
E s o.
01:05:23
I didn't coming from I didn't agree with him.
01:05:26
And you know what? It average 26.
01:05:36
20 right now.
01:05:38
E way I'm 62 year old.
01:05:51
Tim's right on a five year deal with the Knicks.
01:05:57
I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Levine right now.
01:06:00
I've coached him before.
01:06:01
I'm gonna take Levine right now and upgrade the shooting guard position E But see, you guys gonna go back? I'm not saying that RG Oh, right.
01:06:21
We owe a bookie.
01:06:24
That right? Right, right, right, right.
01:06:36
Yes, I'm not e wanna add e Just wanna add balance to the point that you say That would mean right now is 26 points per game and very efficient, right? That does what you say.
01:06:50
And you said R. J.
01:06:52
Barrett with 14 points per game right now and very inefficient, right with the facts, right? Both those effects.
01:07:00
And we can't just be those right, But we can't dispute.
01:07:03
Is this Zach Remain averaged 10 points per game as a rookie.
01:07:07
That next? Right now? No, no, that doesn't do it to make your argument.
01:07:17
I'm looking at not doing the trade.
01:07:19
I'm saying why do I give up all that stuff for a guy that may be better, All right? You're trying to improve the team next year.
01:07:32
You're not trying your decision.
01:07:36
So you're saying that I'd rather wait 34 years than get the immediate improvement right now? That's your choice.
01:07:44
No, no.
01:07:45
What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, if we're gonna build organically if we're gonna build organic thing because remember, Created signed with the Knicks.
01:07:54
38 years.
01:07:55
So line up to come here.
01:07:56
And I'm saying so if I have to build a content.
01:07:59
But after those organically Barry average because game my favorite boy.
01:08:06
Because Zach Lavine averaged 10 points per game that Levin, on average, 14 points per game for his second year in the league R. J.
01:08:15
Barrett did it have to do it Anything.
01:08:17
Okay, my original point.
01:08:19
Where? Because you have to give up assets in order to get the So why not keep that valuable asset and build around it? Hey, regardless, all that Hey, Rick, All I said was Does Levine more than needle? I don't know.
01:08:37
Where are we going? To Rio A.
01:08:43
That was a made the playoff.
01:08:45
Yeah, that would be made the playoffs one year in his whole goes back to the losing, very losing things.
01:08:51
So, e, he also has tread on his knees.
01:08:56
What do you have to? And I got a question when you look way got ****ing book.
01:09:00
When you guys look at Phoenix, when you guys look at Phoenix, right and how they've been losing these past years, right? Do you blame Booker? Or do you blame management management? So you but you're blaming you're blaming Levine instead of the Bulls management in Boyle.
01:09:21
That doesn't make any sense to talk about Levin coming to the Knicks, though.
01:09:25
Way Levin being co.
01:09:29
Do you think Levin being coached by boiling is the same as Levin being pushed by Tom Thibodeau? No, no, it's definitely not insane.
01:09:39
So what do you think Tom Thibodeau is a coach that gonna be able to elevate Levin's game and make make even a better a hold a U. S.
01:09:52
When it comes to when it comes to the players potential, right or potential is production your favorite production, right? And you give me stats, the numbers with No, I don't.
01:10:02
I don't I don't necessarily favorite production.
01:10:05
Okay? You're saying are you do right.
01:10:08
But then now you, it Z.
01:10:10
It's kind of projection now where you're saying all right exactly being comes over to the to the Knicks.
01:10:16
He's gonna have that same production, that same impact, right? That he's because he's or whatever with Tom Thibodeau before he got treated from the Wolves.
01:10:28
So it's like, How How do you use projection on that? But then, when it comes to the player, this context upside versus the stats, it's about the stats.
01:10:38
Like I think one thing where R.
01:10:39
J. Barrett and I brings up all the time.
01:10:41
Obviously, no one could measure it.
01:10:42
I don't get your point.
01:10:44
So you say Okay, so you're saying you're picking a guy based off stats or whatever, right? But once he gets traded, you think that he's gonna be a better player When A with tips versus a team with boiling.
01:10:56
Okay, so let me explain that, like, the numbers the numbers might actually be might not even be as high, but he's gonna But I feel like tips is gonna make him have more impact.
01:11:09
Rick had a question for you, Rick.
01:11:11
Well, you're gonna use numbers today again.
01:11:13
That's projection.
01:11:14
Number may not be high.
01:11:16
But so wait.
01:11:18
You don't think I'm bringing him off of those and this? I'm saying the same thing with Bill If I'm so listen, I'm bringing back with me for 2020.
01:11:25
Minnesota! Wait! Minnesota! Minnesota! Minnesota with Levine.
01:11:32
Wiggins! Good players, right? Yes.
01:11:37
You okay? Talented players, right? Counted plays, Right, Right, right.
01:11:41
They haven't accomplished **** the year that come.
01:11:46
Tom Thibodeau coached them.
01:11:47
They want 47 games.
01:11:49
Bond went to the playoffs.
01:11:50
That's the only time they did it with the criminal.
01:11:54
But they're the same exact players.
01:11:57
Before Thibodeau.
01:11:58
They didn't do **** after Thibodeau.
01:12:00
They didn't do **** have an impact on players that have talent.
01:12:05
No, I didn't say that.
01:12:06
But again, E U R j you the same argument.
01:12:14
You just said, Why do we trade away the talented or get married way? We also don't have those.
01:12:25
Those players, those talented way don't have them.
01:12:31
All right? I'm saying we don't have those players on the I'm sorry.
01:12:34
We don't have those players on the Knicks, the Wolves players, you know, But I'm using. I'm using.
01:12:38
I'm using Tom tiptoes impact on players with talent.
01:12:41
So the point e want to say something.
01:12:44
I wanna say aspect.
01:12:45
Here's my conflict with Levine, Rick And this is the problem.
01:12:49
Why a lot of people have issues with Zach Lavine, RJ Zach Lavine does have a Lord marketing, and he hasn't been he.
01:13:00
You know, Unlike Bradley, Bill Davis pretends excelled with Bradley.
01:13:06
Bill.
01:13:07
Zach Lavine is there, and you see Laurie marketing, who's an excellent shooter.
01:13:11
Excellent player, but he's not excel ing.
01:13:14
They also have other pieces there. Won the car.
01:13:19
He's been hurt a lot of the times, but you don't see you see, you have people willing to pay Davis Britten's 15 $2025 million because he had an excellent year.
01:13:32
That goes credit to Bradley Bill because that means Thio.
01:13:36
I mean, it doesn't matter when they both teams are losing teams.
01:13:40
No, no, no, no, no, a point e off course.
01:13:52
Absolutely.
01:13:53
That contracts.
01:13:56
If you look at their contracts, that tells you who is better.
01:13:59
Booker Booker is that you said Tobias Harris has been I don't know what we're talking about.
01:14:13
My gosh, gosh, just the production like No, I say so.
01:14:23
If Tom Thibodeau could do what he did with Zach Lavine.
01:14:25
Why don't you think he could do that? Would possibly higher upside tow R J Barrett? So true.
01:14:34
Exactly.
01:14:35
Being has the production I'm talking about.
01:14:39
Our issue is relaxed. Scoring.
01:14:44
Use the example of your little frozen hope you can hear me.
01:14:48
Can you hear me? You're not alright? You get now.
01:14:52
So when you use the thing with Zach Lavine, when I ask you the question you said that Tom Thibodeau when he was there, he made him.
01:15:00
He still? Yeah.
01:15:01
He made the team winning.
01:15:02
Don't you think that he would have that impact? Exactly.
01:15:05
So do you think he's gonna have a lower impact R.
01:15:09
J Barrett versus? Like, why wouldn't he have that same impact? And I didn't attribute Tom Typical impact its production because cat Wiggins produce the same numbers with time or without time.
01:15:28
Okay, they were They were good players.
01:15:30
That produce number.
01:15:31
The only difference Waas with Tom did one games, so the production was impacting wins.
01:15:36
Okay, Now, you mean I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put I'm not gonna credit that to Tom Thibodeau.
01:15:51
I'm gonna credit that to him working in the off season.
01:15:54
Now, wait Listen, listen, but listen.
01:16:02
Can't put up numbers.
01:16:04
Can't put up numbers after typical cat put up numbers before TiVo.
01:16:07
The only the only thing.
01:16:08
The only thing that the only difference is with Thibodeau.
01:16:12
He won games.
01:16:13
I got you guys mixing this point.
01:16:16
That's cat.
01:16:17
But we're told, eh? So if r. J.
01:16:19
Barrett comes back better next year and better this year, sorry, and let's see him.
01:16:24
I always credit the player e impact from how top typical.
01:16:29
Like, for instance, right the way that Booker was used this year.
01:16:33
I think the average the same amount of points, but his efficiency went up from the field, right? Like, and he looked like a player with coach.
01:16:42
That's okay.
01:16:43
That's also money.
01:16:44
Williams system, right? Like he utilized Rubio a lot more on the ball.
01:16:48
Took Booker.
01:16:49
Booker had a point guard.
01:16:51
You know this is the first time that a point, but whenever you look at Phoenix, you're like you need a points right? And I also start mhm and also the What's it called the 0.
01:17:02
5 seconds or less offense that money rooms and that doesn't there's no credits of money was just they got a guard.
01:17:09
I'm sorry.
01:17:10
I'm going.
01:17:11
Going all right.
01:17:12
Huh? I'm confused too.
01:17:13
You said I thought you were making a point when we got to find point Zach Lavine that you think that exactly being come to the Knicks? You said that exactly being come to the Knicks that Don't you think it would have the impact of Okay, Here's why.
01:17:28
Because this is to address the people that put the labels on players like, Oh, look, what has Zach Lavine? Everyone.
01:17:34
People used to say about 80.
01:17:35
What has a d? Everyone? It's like to me.
01:17:37
I hate that I hate that.
01:17:39
Like, just like just like Lemelle.
01:17:41
Oh, just like looks like Carmelo.
01:17:44
Once he came to New York, people put that he's a loser label on him.
01:17:48
Mom, He's my thing about that Carmelo situation.
01:17:51
What? What made that situation with Carmelo was him not willing toe work with Mike D'Antoni.
01:17:57
Well, he was trying to make him play small ball.
01:17:59
He kept fighting with him and fighting with him, and he didn't wanna He had his ego in the way just like Kobe Bryant when Michael D'Antonio was with Kobe Bryant.
01:18:08
Those two guys just They don't work.
01:18:10
They don't work with D'Antoni.
01:18:18
What has been the Yeah, but a hall of Fame player.
01:18:26
You can't say that.
01:18:28
Z that way from the same D'Antoni wanted Carmelo toe operate more from the perimeter.
01:18:35
Had no, he had no problem with Carmelo having high usage on the ball.
01:18:38
Now we're gonna sit on Carmelo.
01:18:39
No, I'm not s okay.
01:18:44
For instance.
01:18:45
Like a c p on the Lakers, right? I don't know what he averaged here and there, but KCP as a all around player, right? Especially on defense, Look a lot better.
01:18:54
And that aggressive zone defense at the Lakers played.
01:18:57
That's not on KCP working in the summer.
01:18:59
That is on.
01:19:00
Frank Vogel and Jason Kidd making kcp are way better.
01:19:04
Play like KCP look like an X factor in the playoffs.
01:19:07
When I look at a guy like like to Sarah said Tom Thibodeau, I'm not I don't know what's gonna he's gonna use RG Barry pies using more off to run through the middle castor ball off, uh, off passes to cut into the inside and dunk late.
01:19:19
Whatever versus use them as try to force to be a shooting which he's not or he's gonna try slowly become If r J bat shows market improvement right from the skin.
01:19:31
How was that not being accredited? So how Tom Thibodeau is using him? Good point. That's a good question.
01:19:39
If I'm using somebody in a scheme right that essentially, it's their strength, right? Yes, that could be things done in the off season to make certain skills better, but I'm using them or to their strengths.
01:19:50
Like RJ bears a guy who could slash to the basket.
01:19:53
He's better than being a shooter, right? By using more in that role, right? And he's getting He's giving me, say, 15, 16, 17 points.
01:20:00
Better efficiency.
01:20:01
Going to bass like you talked about him, ranking whatever somehow was not accredited to the court. Wait.
01:20:08
So the so is the fact that he took 13 shots to get 14 14 points.
01:20:14
That's on the took 13 shots to get 14 points.
01:20:17
That's because of how he was used, and not because of the fact that it z not black and white.
01:20:24
I'm saying that, okay, it's not black and white.
01:20:26
Give me a percentage.
01:20:27
Isn't it mostly on the player who the **** knows you don't ****ing know.
01:20:32
No e.
01:20:36
I know. I'll tell you how I know.
01:20:37
Because they're playing for 40 minutes tonight.
01:20:39
That that's That's not necessarily.
01:20:40
I'm gonna tell you how I know.
01:20:42
I'm gonna tell you how I know.
01:20:43
Let me tell you, what I know is because every single concerns I had about RJ prior to the draft show this ugly face as a rookie.
01:20:51
How is he coaching everywhere? Well, let me finish my point.
01:20:55
Well, everybody was intoxicated by the numbers and everybody's intoxicated by watching do.
01:21:00
And the numbers doesn't finish well, okay, Shoot gets to the line a lot, but this is free throws.
01:21:15
That's what I saw.
01:21:16
And that's what I said on Twitter and everybody Everybody thought and in the rear space on whatever.
01:21:21
So e don't know what everybody but I know, I know I was counting to that argument e goddess of what scheme Tom Thibodeau comes in.
01:21:31
If he doesn't learn how to finish better, doesn't make his free throws does way.
01:21:45
Keep saying we might R.
01:21:47
J.
01:21:48
Barrett in MBA games and made a two assessment about his NBA career.
01:21:52
That ain't even fair one way, But you're not pointing out the fact that R.
01:21:59
J.
01:22:00
Barrett raised his free throw percentage 30 points, 35 points during the season.
01:22:04
What? I didn't get a hold on, Hold on.
01:22:06
I didn't expect them to shoot 50 for the season.
01:22:09
I expect him to be a 60 some free throw percentage.
01:22:11
But what you saw? But what you saw improvement right the last the last two months can do that.
01:22:20
Because people you guys can, um your your portions that you like If you ask me if you asked me before the season what would be RJ's numbers, the numbers he got is what I was right.
01:22:34
A You don't like r.
01:22:35
J? Do you? I don't like a game.
01:22:38
Oh, hey, Theo, Theo Argument has been going on for like, two years.
01:22:47
Me and Rick been talking Thio.
01:22:55
Respect me, though.
01:22:56
I was saying this after his first pre season game.
01:22:59
This is not This is not a situation where he came on the Knicks and I was like apart whatever I was saying after his first pre season game in college, I was just like because I knew we were gonna suck.
01:23:12
I knew we're gonna suck so the city is real quick.
01:23:28
So I was looking at Duke.
01:23:31
Now do obviously, uh, look way better in regards to the NC Double A. Get to me.
01:23:39
But no, no, I'm talking about the team.
01:23:41
I'm talking about the players.
01:23:42
So do, anyway.
01:23:46
The coaching with Mike Krzyzewski right with that team, a lot of people have issues with it.
01:23:51
Right? Was his coaching of R.
01:23:53
J.
01:23:54
Barrett that much more different than fizzles coaching R.
01:23:56
J.
01:23:57
Barrett, despite the fact that to be to be a passenger.
01:24:04
But he started out under fist on fire.
01:24:08
He started.
01:24:09
He started the rookie year, making me making everybody think like calling me stupid.
01:24:15
And I was just like because he shot 40% from three and you always saying he could You know, all the people that want this is what was the coaching, the style of coaching between Duke and how similar? Because okay, so that's that's why wouldn't get because it was not similar.
01:24:35
It was not ***ually free.
01:24:39
Z arching himself, said R.
01:24:41
J.
01:24:42
Himself said you froze.
01:24:45
Ricky froze, froze, froze.
01:24:46
You freeze for this great flow.
01:24:51
Go back, go back.
01:24:53
You said R J said something? No.
01:24:55
All right.
01:24:57
RJ himself said that Coach Fizz and K gave him the similar freedom on the offense to do what he wanted.
01:25:05
So you may disagree.
01:25:07
RJ, out of his own mouth said that is Yeah, right.
01:25:14
Right.
01:25:15
Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna just just chalk that up, Thio the kid being nice.
01:25:21
I'm gonna tell you what I will tell you.
01:25:23
Go.
01:25:24
Is this what I will tell you is this, um, Julius Randle is not Zion Williamson, right? Marcus Morris was not Ken reddish right.
01:25:36
I'm going to say that just right.
01:25:37
Just right off the rip at Duke at Duke at Duke R J.
01:25:42
Barrett was allowed to be more of a playmaker in the half court, and especially in transition at with the Knicks with the Knicks, we had a point guard named Alfred Peyton.
01:25:52
Every time RJ touched that, he ran the RJ because he was the point guard.
01:25:56
Right? So you got and others in the half court and in transition because you had, frankly Latina, Julius Randle and Dinner Smith Jr.
01:26:06
Playing point for us.
01:26:07
I have a theory about basketball.
01:26:09
Basketball is one of impact.
01:26:16
Do you guys agree.
01:26:17
Yeah, right.
01:26:19
Whenever you have a player that you start blaming other factors.
01:26:25
Coaching city Uh huh.
01:26:30
You have to look at the players because basketball the one sport that you could take you take LeBron.
01:26:36
You put it on freaking Knicks.
01:26:38
Knicks make the playoffs.
01:26:39
You take Chris Paul you.
01:26:43
It's the one sport that it's not like football football you could blame.
01:26:49
You could blame the offensive line for quarterback struggling Yukio Coaching.
01:26:58
Comment, Right? So when I'm talking about Coach K and physical right and you're talking about, I saw the same RJ bad.
01:27:05
Whatever, right? All I'm trying to say is that when you said I could tell percentage between blah, blah, I'm just saying that they used him the same way.
01:27:14
So why would you expect not saying you did? Expect So how can anybody expect R.
01:27:19
J.
01:27:20
Barrett to get better like the singer? And yes, there are certain players that, like you said, they go to any team there superstar level plays.
01:27:25
They impact the game where they're playing with us.
01:27:28
It doesn't matter who they play with.
01:27:29
Their gonna go to playoffs speaking extremes right, And there's certain players that if you change the system around him or you put him in a certain system, you different.
01:27:39
Chris, you said that.
01:27:41
You just said You blame it on coaching, right? Literally, I believe, is R.
01:27:44
J.
01:27:45
Barrett, who hired, Um, actually, maybe I'll use the example.
01:27:49
It doesn't It doesn't fit toe physical, but But the point with fizzles that How can we sit here and say that the coaching does not have an impact on the production of Player has.
01:27:59
If I use a player more off the ball by using, ah, playing off of screens, if he's a good shooter, right and I don't have the bonus hands if you can't create shots for himself.
01:28:07
If I change it to where I'm getting him open out in space to make open shots and his production goes up, how's that part of the scheme on the player? I was okay, so my point was, with regards to it was back to Levin.
01:28:18
I feel like so I think you put Levine.
01:28:22
I think Levin in school e 26 in a game on any team.
01:28:36
But he goes, you have Golden State Warriors.
01:28:38
They're not dependent on him.
01:28:39
Thio e o you see, My point is, you give him the number of shots.
01:28:50
He's gonna efficiently get you those points because he has that skill level.
01:28:54
Yeah, but you also.
01:28:58
But, Rick.
01:29:00
But, Rick, you also you also are convergent arguments.
01:29:04
I never I'm not disputing how good Zach Lavine is.
01:29:07
The only thing I disagree with you with is do I throw R. J.
01:29:12
Barrett into the trade? That's what you had initially on eso, but everything else everything else, though everything else.
01:29:19
I agree with you.
01:29:20
What I'm saying this is some of the points have become divergent, like I don't I don't doubt that Levin pray for everything else you said is right.
01:29:34
I agree with you.
01:29:35
My whole thing is, Rick made says something about if you if you bring LeBron James to the Knicks or to any of the team that he could win, that's not necessarily true.
01:29:46
And you're stretching out the fax and that.
01:29:49
And this is why the MBA wack ass Cleveland team to the final man.
01:29:54
But but again, But he's always crying.
01:29:56
LeBron James is always crying players, so let's not act like he's doing it by himself.
01:30:03
He has to cry for players.
01:30:04
He created this homeland and LeBron James was on a team that legit earned the number four pick in the draft right behind us.
01:30:11
LeBron James was on that team Lakers that earned the number four pick.
01:30:17
This is Bron James, crying players that's like versus and be able to get a team so he could get Ah, **** team Hey, wanna pulling himself and also that **** team? I mean, he did have the number one, but is it? Is it? My point is, you put LeBron, he's still gonna put up his He's gonna do what he's gonna do because he's LeBron, but he can't win that.
01:30:41
Listen, my whole thing is you trying to say you could It's gonna be that players for like, RJ if you put you make some kind of bring you anywhere.
01:30:55
You can't put LeBron James anywhere he will lose and he will find theme.
01:31:01
Will Lett's keep that in perspective? But I think this is a stack of league, and also this is a team, a league now, where you have to call your buddy and try to team up in a team.
01:31:15
So that way you have a chance to win.
01:31:16
This is a full differently.
01:31:18
So go anywhere.
01:31:21
No, that's not true.
01:31:27
That's right.
01:31:28
I just used that.
01:31:29
I just used the outlier with that Lakers team is just the outline.
01:31:32
Rick was right, though he did drag that whack and past team to the playoffs.
01:31:35
My point is, yeah, but he kept crying.
01:31:37
The broad just kept a on any team you've given those number of shots he's gonna produce to you.
01:31:47
You work with that because that Zillow way have a player. We do that.
01:31:53
We do that with all our young guys, like all the all the drinkers out there on Twitter.
01:31:58
Oh, because and that's why you take a Bradley bill if you could get him, because they that's the more reason is way because Nick's air So next fans are so thirsty.
01:32:14
Two home to get home grown talent that they make all these excuses and they blame.
01:32:20
They'll blame the coach.
01:32:22
They'll blame the GM.
01:32:23
They'll blame the team they, but they won't blame them.
01:32:27
Blame.
01:32:29
The problem is the problem is the player.
01:32:34
They're the ones dribbling.
01:32:35
They're the ones shooting.
01:32:37
They don't want passing.
01:32:38
They don't want rebounding.
01:32:39
They the last time we had, would you say Who's the last homegrown way had? And we actually kept after his first country, Uh, how long ago? That forever.
01:32:54
But don't let 27.
01:32:56
Yeah, don't let that first.
01:32:58
It's about having a great organization.
01:33:03
Finally, we got an organization that's gonna want to do it right This time.
01:33:07
It's about drafting better.
01:33:08
It is developing better is developing the place.
01:33:12
You want that developing kick to how you believe in that developing magic dust.
01:33:16
You just put some development.
01:33:17
Doesn't because a mix have a strong A front office in years, right? And you haven't had a two season if you drive correctly if you make proper picks, if you don't.
01:33:32
If you don't, you don't have disjointed teams where it's like you have like the Jets, right where you have a GMs.
01:33:37
I'm married to the coach.
01:33:38
The coach gets fired.
01:33:40
GM right.
01:33:41
Stupid **** like that, Right? The Knicks.
01:33:42
I mean, you've had a guy like Phil Jackson done stupid ****.
01:33:45
So it's not magic dust, right? So and And one point I wanna make on Zach Lavine was that many times people just see outright production.
01:33:53
Obviously, Zach.
01:33:54
Libyans efficient player, right? So it may not account with him, But why? I'm not so quick to just say, Oh, this guy is doing this over here.
01:34:00
And if you put him over here with this set up, he's gonna be doing the same.
01:34:03
Even if people say, Oh, he has the same.
01:34:04
I mean, I looked at guys like in the past.
01:34:06
Always bring stuff like a corner.
01:34:07
McGeady right at one point was averaging, like 2022 points.
01:34:11
Whatever.
01:34:12
Right on the teams don't like what's going on.
01:34:14
He got karma.
01:34:15
Getty eventually got, you know, lots of injuries and stuff like that.
01:34:19
Nuggets and clippers, I believe in your average like way.
01:34:23
You got one or two good years.
01:34:25
Wait.
01:34:26
The Clippers and Golden State, the Clippers, Clippers and Golden State.
01:34:30
You're pulling out the oh just gave you pounded out Zach would be.
01:34:39
I'm saying why I don't when I'm looking At what production? There's a lot more that goes into just Pierce.
01:34:45
That context is everything.
01:34:47
You're scoring you What? That right.
01:34:51
Like okay, for instance, right? This is why I love Chris Paul, because hold on, E bay, something UM, let's pretend.
01:34:58
I think people get offended too much, especially when talking about RJ one day will be even better.
01:35:05
It's a zoo good as that being.
01:35:08
E think it's possible.
01:35:10
My bigger point better, but he could be better.
01:35:15
Whatever you believe, Um, my point was, I can get I can improve my shooting guard position and get better shooting at right now.
01:35:24
Tomorrow versus waiting.
01:35:27
That's what you were as a GM.
01:35:29
You always making that.
01:35:30
You always gotta make that decision.
01:35:31
Can we have? This is a good argument, and since there's home five years, how far can the Knicks go? But do you think? Do you think his 62 years old you think it's not the question that's not the question championship five years? How far can it Let's go? It's hard.
01:35:49
Todo e five years is definitely We're definitely a contending team because that's all that matters.
01:36:04
E don't see Wait.
01:36:06
We've averaged.
01:36:07
We've averaged a new coach since the new century, a year and four months a year from how much we've had 14 15 in 20 years, so if last five years, that automatically lets me know that we're doing good because history tells me he don't last fight.
01:36:28
Nobody last five years.
01:36:31
I think he's gonna last five years wreck.
01:36:33
I want to make a point.
01:36:35
I wanna talk about Boston with you and and player development because you're saying that player development doesn't exist in my correct or no.
01:36:42
I believe that you guys way.
01:36:45
E think that's unfair.
01:36:47
Assessment based on what I believe is just being around.
01:36:50
E Want to talk about? Look what Boston did when they drafted Jalen Brown.
01:36:55
They drafted Jalen Brown, 2016, and then they went and drafted Jayson Tatum.
01:37:00
They also they also signed Gordon Hayward that very year, 2017 Brown will got both Jayson Tatum and and Brown were third overall.
01:37:13
Pick. So correct.
01:37:16
We were talking about Janet Brown was a poor shooter.
01:37:18
And now he's becoming a much better shooter.
01:37:21
And then you want a credit Boston for that? Not Jalen Brown.
01:37:24
They picked up Gordon Hayward.
01:37:26
They paid him $35 million.
01:37:28
Did that help? You got to help.
01:37:29
Who do you wait? Who do you give credit to for the development? E believe I'm gonna tell you.
01:37:36
I'm gonna tell you.
01:37:37
I believe I believe it didn't if Boston did not get Gordon Hayward established proven player and established proven player who's averaging maybe 15, who could average 15 to 20 points in this league if they didn't have a great shooter at Gordon Hayward? E don't think Jalen Brown will be shooting as good as he is right now.
01:37:58
E don't think he's gonna be.
01:38:00
My personal belief is that development happens in the off season and those guys they hired, I think, what This is why guys like Who's all these other personal trainers that are getting paid millions by these guys to make them better? It's not so.
01:38:20
So, especially this Frank Knox, RJ Mitch.
01:38:26
They're gonna have close to nine months of an off season if they come back looking like ****ing bumps after nine months off season.
01:38:37
I don't want to get **** about E.
01:38:42
Want to get this guy I wanna get You Remember that beef that Gordon that that Jalen Brown had with Gordon Hayward? Because Jalen Brown wasn't getting no minutes and Gordon Hayward was taking his spot? This is what I'm saying.
01:38:54
No, no, no, no.
01:38:57
I'm trying to make a point that, like, look We both agree that established players once you can prove yourself in this league.
01:39:07
And I'm losing my train of thought, having a player like Gordon Hayward boosted and made Jalen Brown a much better scorer.
01:39:16
And the shooter in this league having a player like Gordon Hayward, then Brown wouldn't be the player he is by.
01:39:25
Hey, would be a good hey would be a good defender.
01:39:28
I give credit to his defense.
01:39:30
I'm not gonna give credit to his offense, that office.
01:39:32
But hey, Jayson Tatum.
01:39:35
Even Jayson Tatum offense to he wouldn't be so great if Gordon Hayward was not there.
01:39:40
No.
01:39:41
Okay, you know what? I'm a something right there.
01:39:43
Jayson Tatum worked with Kobe Bryant in the summertime, but you're missing the point that you need a Gordon head word in your team now.
01:39:52
You're right. You're right.
01:39:53
Now you're right.
01:39:54
Because I felt if you could have stayed the whole year and not and just just say way would have won five more games.
01:40:06
Just be honest right now.
01:40:08
Said Maria had off season where he didn't have a man.
01:40:12
Wait a minute.
01:40:13
20.
01:40:14
Are you really took up, man? Don't get me CEO It's like 2.
01:40:17
30 in the morning.
01:40:18
Are you telling me that Marcus Morris is gonna make somebody better? Who the hell is Marcus Morris? Marcus Morris is a journeyman of the average 12 points per game.
01:40:28
Came to New York half of season.
01:40:31
And let's get a man who was Marcus Morris.
01:40:36
Marcus Morris is a nobody.
01:40:39
He's a nobody.
01:40:45
Every Kevin Knox numbers until his fifth season in the NBA, and you're telling me that he was gonna make Kevin Knox better? How ever now get better is if Marcus Morris never come to New York.
01:40:57
Okay, Kevin, the play through mistakes, you guys, you guys think, think that guys get better in the off season.
01:41:05
Everybody, everybody gets better the whole year.
01:41:09
The whole years, not just off a Where does the book of development happens in the off season or during the during the season? That's a trick.
01:41:19
Question is both.
01:41:20
Yeah, yeah, that's a loaded question. E.
01:41:23
I want to respond that I want to respond to that.
01:41:26
John Wall said that there was a podcast with John Wall and Gilbert Arenas, and they were talking about how they often looking for competition within your team when you're when you're playing during the season, you always looking for better competition while you're while you're practicing.
01:41:42
Because once you get once you get toe.
01:41:49
So when you're a rookie like Jalen Brown, you always got competent.
01:41:52
Somebody like going ahead with its taking your spot and eating up all your minutes.
01:41:57
You're gonna push yourself to a level that you you've never been.
01:42:03
That's it.
01:42:05
I disagree.
01:42:06
Hey, just keep it real.
01:42:07
Riko Knox has no knowledge of that.
01:42:10
He practically Latina has no idea what that is.
01:42:14
Um, because they're not gone.
01:42:17
You know, I don't even know what that is that always the e about in season improvement.
01:42:24
So I'm realistic. Jalen Brown.
01:42:27
Uh, it seems like look, I think a lot of stuff he's worked on, but a lot of his improvement, it seems, came during the season.
01:42:33
His offense is amazing right now.
01:42:35
I'll put this in the chapter.
01:42:37
You guys read.
01:42:38
Hey, already have flash.
01:42:40
He already had to tell him.
01:42:41
He just need Thio.
01:42:42
Here's a poor shooting.
01:42:43
Sure seems like a lot of it.
01:42:44
Like I'm trying to read.
01:42:45
Hey, there are some people.
01:42:49
There are some people that Jalen Brown will eventually be better than Jason Tatum.
01:42:53
Him shoot off the dribble.
01:42:55
Hey, has the physical ability? Yeah.
01:42:58
I mean, he's a and he's you know, these people, you know, go ahead with painting.
01:43:04
He's not getting paid $35 million just to hang out.
01:43:09
I think we just don't know.
01:43:10
Honestly way.
01:43:14
That's where you get to add stuff to your game.
01:43:16
That's where you have James come way too fast for you to be thio the off season when you feel like you added something you.
01:43:27
So this is why I'm looking at the start of this year, December 22nd in these freaking kids come back.
01:43:39
Jalen Brown was losing his mind, bro. That's all.
01:43:45
Gordon Hayward eating his minutes, bro.
01:43:47
That's all going ahead, I But it's not, I think that I think it's a loaded question because because some players all they need is one stroke of confidence and they explode into being something.
01:44:01
You know what I'm saying? Like like for instance, for instance, I give you give you an example.
01:44:07
Um, Jeremy Lin got cut by.
01:44:13
He would have looked before we cut him.
01:44:14
Let's just see what he got before before we send him on his way.
01:44:18
The dude come in the game and score like 16 points and, like, 12 minutes, and they're like, Whoa, wait a minute for me before we run Tory Murray back out here, Let's let's play, Let's let's play Jeremy Lin And then something pops off and I know that's the outlier, but what I'm saying what my point was Players.
01:44:38
Some players have things clicked at different times in their career.
01:44:42
You know, by the way, Jamie Lynn looked a lot better, given the way he was used with Knicks versus when he how he's used to say The Golden State.
01:44:54
Hey, wait a minute, though.
01:44:59
This is, to be honest, this is the fourth year that, and you'll forget and you all say that.
01:45:05
But you'll forget how how destroyed Kobe Bryant looked his rookie season when John Stockton had him on roller skates.
01:45:12
Y'all look at the Hall of Fame, Kobe.
01:45:14
You'll forget that Kobe was a disgruntled looking rookie with low confidence, and he got way yo who little confidence.
01:45:25
He was 18 years old in the playoffs against Utah, and he's the only one taking taking last minute shots because everybody else who's scared to shoot he's got here.
01:45:33
Don't forget about Eddie Jones, who lack confidence.
01:45:36
Okay, you said he you're saying he like, can you saying, Because he took shots and missed.
01:45:44
You're not talking about the whole game when John Stockton had them on roller skates.
01:45:48
You don't cut out, of instance and be like, This is the whole snapshot you like.
01:45:53
Take one stitch in time and they'll be like, No, look at this.
01:45:57
Don't get the whole game.
01:45:58
It's like it's like when people say I wasn crossed over Jordan.
01:46:03
People don't His whole game told him roasting outs in the whole game.
01:46:07
And w you know, I'm saying This is This is snapshot memory here.
01:46:12
Kobe Bryant to the day he died.
01:46:14
Can't stand Del Harris because he was killing Eddie Jones and practice, and he knew he was better than Eddie Jones.
01:46:21
And Eddie Jones was the guy that they were playing.
01:46:24
They ultimately traded Eddie Jones to let Kobe get get coach Del Harris would not play him only because he was 18.
01:46:33
Bye.
01:46:34
Hey, Eddie Jones was the original three.
01:46:37
Indeed, Eddie Jones was the original three and he Didn't he say that like Eddie Jones was a bum? Eddie Jones was not a bum Eddie A.
01:46:52
He said the knucklehead podcast that he's mad because he works at his career numbers.
01:47:00
And he looked at how some of these guys got better career numbers.
01:47:04
And he knows that his first a year and a half or so Del Harris wouldn't play him better.
01:47:12
Hey said whatever.
01:47:13
When everything's back at it, he gets mad with nothing but the point.
01:47:21
For one, Eddie Jones was better than Kobe.
01:47:24
Let's not just saying that, Kobe.
01:47:28
Hey, man, you know Kobe Bryant had potential.
01:47:32
Everybody knew Kobe. They had potential.
01:47:34
But 18 year old Kobe Bryant versus Eddie Jones.
01:47:38
Come on, dog.
01:47:39
I mean, really, it didn't have to be Eddie Jones, but but Rick Fox was starting.
01:47:50
He was busting their ass and he said He said he Kobe was like, I know that there wouldn't play me.
01:47:55
So in practice, I would murder her.
01:47:58
Hey, I got a quick question for you.
01:48:00
Hey, when it comes to this draft coming up, since we know where the season starting, what young players is staying with the Knicks looks like the next guy, but I hope to give them till to the trade deadline.
01:48:19
So not really, I think.
01:48:22
I think in terms of, like, order of operations, I think the first guy that they probably looked at changes D N j.
01:48:29
The next guy probably knocks then Frank and then argue.
01:48:37
Yeah, I feel Frank did get traded.
01:48:39
How would you feel about that? Whatever.
01:48:41
Whatever.
01:48:43
I feel like we're friendly looking like 63 million.
01:48:47
You see, e Frank to succeed, but you gotta give me 35 36% from three.
01:48:53
You gotta give me 15 point.
01:48:54
You got to give me a you have to give me.
01:48:59
But then with Frank is that you gotta give me something offensively on the court to validate your being there because they leave them open.
01:49:05
Like I mean, you can't be.
01:49:07
They don't play the Oh, wait.
01:49:13
Be really We don't play his best attributes at all.
01:49:17
Oh, Frank, make it way, Teddy.
01:49:25
Why did you wait? Every time we talk about like, like, a little bit every time we talk about superstar somebody called Frank Miller King Ideas way.
01:49:39
I'm just thinking we please wait.
01:49:43
E can't even get Thio cosign.
01:49:50
Kevin Knox is thing with Brick Wall because you're talking about Franky Latina e.
01:49:54
I was really did say Kevin Knox has has high upside.
01:49:59
If he makes it to through this thing with Tom Thibodeau, you are talking about Frankie Latina, who played for four different cultures already and 33 Paul seasons Free.
01:50:12
Yeah, right.
01:50:13
That's exactly that's right.
01:50:15
You're exactly right. That's the problem.
01:50:17
Frankly, Latina is the problem.
01:50:19
Frank has had ample Tina, You can't put that on Freak E.
01:50:27
Just one thing.
01:50:28
I just want to say I'll keep Frank.
01:50:30
If I could get him on the Reggie Bullock contract, that's that.
01:50:32
That's That's the only way so far.
01:50:35
If I could get him on the Reggie Bullock contract, you know, give him another chance.
01:50:38
Way disrespectful.
01:50:45
Nothing.
01:50:46
But you're talking about a do.
01:50:47
The average is five points a game way the average five points the game way talking about do the average five points a game and you're talking about waste a roster spot e really screaming at the end of the excuse yourself from Nick Fandom for a second right.
01:51:05
And at the end of the day, Frank is a three year player points three.
01:51:14
Be about two assists.
01:51:17
Shoot under 40% from the field, and he's a role player on a team that's 1 20 something.
01:51:24
Game 17 and 21 right? I'm not gonna diss him because it seems like I'm not a distant, but he's not even worth thinking about.
01:51:34
If he's just my pouring a little, too, you go first.
01:51:43
Teddy, always.
01:51:46
We have not playing him right since all the coaches we had.
01:51:51
Okay, he's a defensive.
01:51:52
He's a market smart.
01:51:53
He's not gonna put up the most points.
01:51:56
He's a what? He's a what? You just call him Pichon Smart.
01:52:02
Oh my God, Oh my God, Call me.
01:52:12
Look, the productions out there for three years, I like, I like Frank.
01:52:16
He's more Emmanuel Moody, and I think that I think his core visions underrated.
01:52:19
I know that might sound crazy.
01:52:21
He's the best shooter on the team, is not aggressive enough.
01:52:25
You think he's the best? You're not ordering shooter? Yeah, You're not being a million.
01:52:32
Yeah.
01:52:33
I mean, you're not paying them that money.
01:52:34
To be a guy who can't hit a three efficiently doesn't doesn't provide you anything else.
01:52:38
but defense.
01:52:39
You just can't pay him that.
01:52:41
Yeah.
01:52:42
E championship.
01:52:44
He's a great player or a champion. Okay.
01:52:47
All right.
01:52:48
So, Marcus smart third.
01:52:49
Yeah, he was all in Marcus.
01:53:00
Smart guys say by Marcus Smart is that here's the deal between him and Frank.
01:53:02
Is that from Oklahoma State? Right.
01:53:04
He was a league are uber aggressive, uber fiery, right.
01:53:07
Was never terribly efficient.
01:53:09
But he had that defense.
01:53:10
Now the Celtics allowed to play his game.
01:53:12
But the thing about is that because of that, because of that aggression, right, But the fact that he would try to get to the basket over Great, there was something offensively you could build around.
01:53:23
Obviously, he's still not the most efficient, but he gives You can pass.
01:53:26
He gives you spurts.
01:53:27
Where is like he justifies me on the court.
01:53:29
Frank doesn't give you not even 30 40% of what Marcus Smart tries to dio.
01:53:37
He's not a record like that.
01:53:39
He doesn't push the temple.
01:53:40
Not if he was like I say, Like, who's this guy? I used to be on the ****ing Lakers, and I remember Dr X.
01:53:45
Um yeah.
01:53:46
Frank is Dante Exum.
01:53:48
Hey, don't disrespect Dante's because I don't have good.
01:53:51
Well, he's try to get to the back.
01:53:53
Frank Miller kid just doesn't do it like I get disrespectful.
01:53:57
I'm disrespecting Dante.
01:53:59
Mhm on the way.
01:54:06
Have players on the Knicks that sometimes we do get a little married to, because it's like that's the problem.
01:54:11
That's the problem.
01:54:12
I wait r e I don't feel that way, RJ.
01:54:17
Even though I want a job, a rent.
01:54:19
But I looked the rcmp's like, All right? Yeah.
01:54:21
He's not efficient, But I don't I'm not married in the same way that next year E knocks.
01:54:27
I'm not knocks to go tomorrow. Marry.
01:54:30
Oh, no, no, it's OK.
01:54:36
Hold on, hold on.
01:54:37
How do you kill? Okay, kid had two years, right? He showed spurts, right? But not I would like.
01:54:44
He's not as bad as Frank, but not to me.
01:54:47
There's a lot of projects you have to do just for him to become a e.
01:54:54
I agree with the G m on this one, man.
01:54:55
I'm gonna have to agree with him, E I think I'm gonna pay the kevin knocks the same $4 million a year.
01:55:04
Not that way.
01:55:07
You're still a rookie deal.
01:55:10
Why we worry about that on the other thing, too? And what Jason said.
01:55:15
I mean, really. Matisse table.
01:55:17
What's his table? Is a nobody who is What's his table? My type.
01:55:22
But he's stable just less point per game than Frank uber.
01:55:27
Jason said I was on point with you.
01:55:29
I was a I was feeling Jason until the Matisse type will think, man.
01:55:32
Matisse tithe multiple cultures them right? You know how many coaches you know how many coaches Devin Booker had, right? 556 Devin Booker is a generational talent.
01:55:46
We came to comparative generational talent.
01:55:49
Head of a Frank was drafted drink.
01:55:51
Frank was drafted.
01:55:52
Eight. He was the 13th pick in the dress.
01:55:54
You don't make it right? Yeah.
01:55:56
That draft their teams to draft terror.
01:56:01
Where is he? Waking gas station in the city? No, he? No.
01:56:06
He telling show or something? He worked at my agency.
01:56:08
Anthony Bennett.
01:56:09
We jump with him all the time.
01:56:11
You tell your uncle freezing alone, I'm gonna take me.
01:56:13
Oh, that speaks to that.
01:56:18
Speaks to talent level as prospects you're talking about.
01:56:21
Frank was the was the eighth pick in the draft he was a lottery pick.
01:56:24
Booker was 1/13 pick in the draft, so both grew into losing organizations that had multiple cultures.
01:56:33
One guy turned into a star.
01:56:34
The other guy, we're blaming dog.
01:56:37
That's what I'm saying.
01:56:38
That's what you get a player in basketball and football in football.
01:56:43
You could blame coaches you could blame.
01:56:45
They're not the same Click and hold on ball is such basketball.
01:56:50
It's such a individualized sport that if you're if you are, you can.
01:56:56
You can still produce with thing like, feel like you could produce with bad players around you.
01:57:06
Freaking, moodier, freaking Moody had a decent year with the Knicks, even though that excuses for player and blame because of that guy because of that guy not praying and are not the same talents, right? I'm a close up here and then Frank, they're two different times.
01:57:34
You drive, you get draft two different guards, whatever, literally for different reasons, right? And I agree with you.
01:57:40
Frank is nothing compared to book or just because he got picked.
01:57:43
The Knicks have been making **** decisions.
01:57:46
E don't get that.
01:57:49
I don't get that.
01:57:51
What I'm supposed to I'm supposed to make an excuse for Frank because he's no.
01:57:59
Booker is a no.
01:58:06
He wasn't that. He was a way.
01:58:08
I think they Booker became that he was gonna be that regardless, what would he What was he? What was he drafted? 13, Barely almost out of the lottery.
01:58:21
Because when he was playing for Kentucky, he had all the this'll getting.
01:58:25
Really? Kentucky was loaded.
01:58:29
Yeah.
01:58:30
I want to say something, right, e Just want to say that in a way I believe Frank would have would have had a better career had he had a center that can actually Oh, my God.
01:58:47
Oh, I got I got e U.
01:58:52
Okay, I just want to take a ink pen and just jumped myself in the neck because it was Frankie Latina argument.
01:59:08
I want to keep in perspective off the roster to like your listen.
01:59:12
He's a he's a point guard.
01:59:13
He's supposed to get assist, and he is supposed to get points.
01:59:16
There's a two categories that I'm looking at that I want from a point guard points, assist and efficiency.
01:59:22
That's what three things.
01:59:23
But my whole thing is when you look at Mitchell Robinson, who is not a good who doesn't have a jump shots.
01:59:29
So should we get rid of Mitchell Robinson? So that Frank No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No way.
01:59:35
Talking about graph a Raphael, you say that is it.
01:59:42
Frank never played with Kristaps Porzingis.
01:59:45
You say that is it.
01:59:47
Frank never played with Kristaps Porzingis.
01:59:49
You know, I would trade Frank in the offense because if you're a center and all you could do is alley oop lobs and you can't hear the mid range I'm trading you too.
02:00:00
I will trade you for Wiseman.
02:00:02
That's why would trade Frank and mature Robinson for James Wiseman for somebody who could block and can hear the shot.
02:00:07
So I'm not excusing that, but asked one thing Also, Kevin Ox, That's another one.
02:00:13
I mean, that's You got two players who, um, he can't hit a three.
02:00:18
Can we admit one thing? Yes, please.
02:00:22
Telling you with Frank be a bottle roll.
02:00:28
I don't I don't know.
02:00:31
I don't know.
02:00:32
How about I bet you I bet you I bet you that question would be easier to answer.
02:00:38
And Frank Miller Kina showed any signs of improvement on offense.
02:00:42
e three point percentage were like, Wow, I've been shot blankets cover the most improved player next season, and I don't wanna be Oh, defensive.
02:00:58
Hester's off the bench.
02:01:00
You don't draft them in the lottery.
02:01:01
Those guys you just pick up.
02:01:03
Uh, yeah, those are those guys that you whatever you add to supplement your team, But everybody act like now you got He's thinking about the championship roster that Frank is gonna be on before we have no let him go somewhere and developing.
02:01:25
Whatever.
02:01:26
And then when we had that championship roster cinnamon e trade, the whole so far so far, I agree with everybody could agree with Rick about RJ.
02:01:40
And when it comes to the whole team, there's nobody that roster who is untouchable.
02:01:45
I would trade the whole team.
02:01:47
Okay, well, let me ask you this time, okay? If you answer this if you answer this, I might I might 15 minutes for the Los Angeles Lakers.
02:01:57
Right now.
02:01:59
Right now.
02:02:00
Right now.
02:02:01
Right now, The king that have gotten significant e his averages they don't need.
02:02:12
They don't need a frank on defense with the way they play well.
02:02:15
But he just said He just said Frank would be better on a championship team.
02:02:20
And if Frank can't play for the Lakers, they argument doesn't hold water blanket.
02:02:24
Anthony Davis would be fine.
02:02:26
That could work.
02:02:27
I could see that working anybody in Anthony Davis.
02:02:29
Don't anybody in Anthony You? Yes.
02:02:34
Yokota o e.
02:02:38
A smart player on any team like that, bro.
02:02:42
Graham.
02:02:44
Oh, Grandma.
02:02:45
The argument is the only problem with Frank is that he doesn't have Anthony Davis.
02:02:49
E didn't say that.
02:02:52
He is a good role player, but again, this whole team, I think, entirely is flawed.
02:02:59
All of it.
02:03:00
All of it.
02:03:01
Not just knocks.
02:03:03
R.
02:03:05
J two and Mitchell Robinson.
02:03:07
It's mistake's e.
02:03:15
I don't think the Knicks roster has a starting a roster that I am comfortable with.
02:03:22
I'm not too comfortable with RJ shooting.
02:03:24
I'm not comfortable with Mitchell Robinson like not being ready.
02:03:29
You wanted in the morning.
02:03:34
I gotta I gotta I gotta go.
02:03:35
Hey, man, Make sure you check this out, man and follow everybody.
02:03:40
So when everybody get on, you can jump on with them. Absolutely.
02:03:43
Absolutely.
02:03:44
I love this.
02:03:47
Uh, good luck to you.
02:03:48
Yeah, I'm not that I continue e s so like I was saying, I'm not comfortable with Kevin Knox.
02:04:03
I'm not comfortable with R.
02:04:05
J.
02:04:06
When his chute and his jump shot I'm not comfortable.
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Teddy Flatt @TeddyFlatt

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00:00:01
Mangini was the guy.
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Everybody Mangini was a guy make.
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Really? Well, now I'll give Rex Ryan's credit.
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It was a great defensive mind.
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He changed and we change from the 43234 That's what we got.
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Todo que you have a a fact.
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What you expect? So we'll have just talk, bro.
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I'm not your bro.
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I don't I Yo, bro, I was Rex Ryan fan, and I was like, All right, now these guys trust me, it hurt me to see Rex Ryan struggle, bro.
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Like those first, those first.
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Who's Rex Ryan? I love it even then to take Brett Farve.
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And then he chose bum ass.
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Um, I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna put the jets miseries on these guys.
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E I'm a giants front e a You guys in a giant? I'm hoping you guys keep Gettleman because I have a sick film.
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A You think giants a tanking? You said natty, that they are playing hard Johnson playing hard that they they play tanking to that they last year the last two years Always.
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Yo, bro, hold up.
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God, most logic.
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How do you guys taking when you literally probably gave Tampa Bay one of the toughest matchups that you don't have a secondary.
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You don't have a good secondary and you play Tom Brady masterfully.
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You think you know what good tanking is? That's what? Yes, yes, you know what you know so that they're like three Jets games this season, but only down by, like, 10 or 15 going into the fourth quarter.
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And what do we do? Run it up the gut with Frank Gore? I'm, like, way have There's no e love it.
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Let us get Trevor Lawrence is clean up.
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We take with professional tankers, bro way Get to the Giants.
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How did Daniel Jones get to the Giants? And how the, um Danny, um, say corn barker to get to the Giants, huh? And then number 3456 Number six picks.
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That's not tanking to U.
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S.
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So I'm talking about s Oh, God, I'm talking about this year.
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So your other years I'm not necessarily that, but you guys, Odell Odell was like 13th or 18th, right? You know, it was tanks used.
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We just smarter than you know than most teams.
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And thank you guys.
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We're still all in e tell you something.
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Giants fans were spoiled, man.
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He thinks e you are You're like, Yo, bro, I would love to see Sam.
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Donald and I have not seen Sam during a long time in the fourth quarter.
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Make a meaningful throw in the fourth quarter was like, Yo, you guys, I watched that Tampa Bay game, bro.
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I was impressed by by your team.
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Your team is not.
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I don't think you guys play that good even in your one win against the Washington Redskins, because I mean the talent wise against Brady, their defense like, bro, you got Aaron Rodgers.
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You guys made Aaron Rodgers like people look like how my Iran's let's go back in the Tampa Bay.
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But **** Joe's is making throws.
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And if it wasn't for two stupid interceptions, right, the one where he threw off his back for wise against sac on.
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There's another one.
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Um, I can't remember the other one, but the first time it was a bad one.
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Like I look at the Giants and the crazy about giants.
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Is it have a sick feeling that if you guys get rid of Gettleman because Gettleman likes to build the trenches.
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Right.
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So you're and maybe Andrew Thomas now, you might move them to the right if you draft the Panola so well from Oregon, I'm telling you, he's gonna get fired.
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What? You My thing is come back.
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You're gonna be good.
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I think you kind of work is gonna come back.
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Giants are gonna be straight.
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They're gonna have a high draft pick.
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Giants will be straight was E o Giants and JT Philip's E.
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Even though I don't trust the high school Grandma Um, yeah, you're Carol Lawrence.
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You re grow.
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Sorry.
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Sorry.
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Sorry. You said You know what? I do my bad. And you froze my back. You say it again is my nightmare.
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We thought we get the first pick, the draft, Trevor Lawrence and feels is the better player.
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Ah, don't say that.
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You know, that s so one thing that I mean on the on the opposite.
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I think it's better than Trevor Lawrence.
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I'm actually I'm actually alright.
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I'm not I'm not sure about that.
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But I'll give you one thing. I'll give you one thing.
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Here's what I'm scared about.
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What? Trevor Lawrence.
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He's always had good receivers with Justin.
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Ross this year.
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He's had good receivers with Clemson.
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Is receiver factory, right? I don't know.
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I don't e I don't know who the receivers off for.
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JT Fields.
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Honestly, im not watched enough of him, But I just traveled e I'm gonna tell you about Trevor Lawrence.
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He puts the which he puts the ball in harm's way and he gets somewhere within Clemson.
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You a ball the wrong way in harm's way.
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Way he he has e.
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I guess there's a gun slinger you like to call it, but like he gambles like he'll he'll throw the ball 50 50 and let his wide receiver.
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I don't know.
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He gets away with Clemson, but he will.
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He will talk about what if he sees one on one coverage, which I kind of like, but he doesn't a little too much for me.
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My take is trouble.
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Lawrence has so much experience that the fact he went back to college, I think is gonna be a benefit to when he gets to the because he had the time to make his mistakes.
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And now and he says to me, getting too.
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I think it's gonna go back if the Jets from number one is going back to soothe.
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My whole thing is I feel like a lot of teams in the NFL right now are learning from the L A Rams and how they were able to build, get that quarterback, the running back and they got.
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They filled up the whole roster and and that came out of no was last year or two years ago when it came out of nowhere and there goes, ran second, the whole league.
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So the Giants, the Giants are not too far behind from that.
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And that's when I started learning.
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I'm like, Wait a minute, you know, they tend to get to do everything they did, and they just they just thought so.
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That is what I'm saying.
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This is why, you know, I think I can see the Cowboys tanking and why teams were talking while YouTube.
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BC videos Talking about the Cowboys should tank Or, you know, in this e a za.
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Much of you guys like to thank you guys Air still in the NFC race, which is disgusting.
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That's crazy to say a NFC race.
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So the Giants win the next two games.
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You just eagles and eagles and Cowboys.
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You guys played next.
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Eagles in skins regard with Yeah.
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No, no, This no, this to the Jets.
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But you can t o e gets a garbage, You know, we owe comedy Goto every post game interview.
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They have a Adam Gays.
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It is the most cringeworthy.
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Want to say something You see from a coach, bro? On s I feel like the Jets are late.
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Oh, Thio in terms of trying to get assets for Sam.
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Donald, I'm trying.
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I'm trying to talk to you. See how the Jets have.
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The Giants are trying to trade Odell Beckham Jr for two first round picks and player, I feel like that's what the just trying to do with Sam Dorner's right now.
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The Giants behold a hold up.
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The Giants were smart.
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You? Why would you want to drink Beckham? Why would you? You should have just given the franchise tag, trade him, Then you get a pick.
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You guys sign smart.
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That was you guys got You guys literally changed up.
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You pull the next move where you made a bad decision and then try to clean up.
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If you franchise tag and you would have gotten picks.
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E you gonna pay them 20? You guys agreed to paying with 20,000,008.
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20.
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See, that's the thing about it.
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Is that here's what you guys go for a message to? You guys held onto Eli way too long.
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Okay.
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Most of Eli.
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He was done.
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He was taking a picture with you guys.
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Should have drafted Sam.
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Donald, Sam, darling with Odell Beckham in group.
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Alright, I'll say this now.
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You told me Sim.
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Mostly calm Barkley, right? No, stay calm. Barley.
00:10:24
Seo del. Whatever.
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Ingram.
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You guys probably have had a slate and still whatever, uh, pay for the lions, All these weapons Sam **** doesn't have any weapons.
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Really throws some of that team does not look better.
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They're not sneak in the NFC East.
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Sam.
00:10:40
Donald, that team you are sniffing the playoffs, you know? Why does can I ask the question? Why does before before I get the Oh, is that if you get a good young quarterback before you have to pay him and he's on his rookie deal, you can put you can spend the money on elsewhere, and then you could build a You know, that's what happened with Seattle with Russell Wilson.
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I'm my home, Joe Burrow.
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If you have a good young rookie quarterback, then you can.
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You could spend money everywhere else while he was on his rookie deal.
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And then you can have a good team.
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But then, once you have to pay him, that's when you can't pay up everybody else.
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So that's what that's what, then that's when they that comes out, your your windows.
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When you draft a young quarterback and while you still on that young deal, you spend the money other and you build a good team and you try to win.
00:11:41
You know, a big contract.
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You Dallas tried to do that with that, but now it's time to pay.
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But you know who's on your Jones.
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Daniel Jones.
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Give me this.
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This offseason.
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The Giants better stack up and try to make a run before they have to pay him.
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You think the oh, is that worth it? He's only a year and a half end, so still early.
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You know, he sometimes he showed some really good flashes.
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These issues outside the numbers are outside the marks right, like that's where most of the interceptions come from, Right? You got that, Eli? If you don't want to give up on a plate.
00:12:24
Yeah, but if he does get weapons, so for the Jets, at least I know who I want, Trevor Lawrence.
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And give me Terrence Marshall from L s U.
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Because we have to in the first round, even though I was doing some draft.
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And you could pick a Walter little from Stanford.
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Because we do. We still need people for the whole.
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I mean, George was actually having a good run until you got hurt, but you need a legit right tackle.
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Um, so I e you can't see why why The jets in a wide receiver draft come on the draft with weapons? Because because, e, uh, themselves memes.
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But he's just been hurt.
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Yeah, a solid.
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But Joe doesn't like a late round later rounds.
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You could have got Donovan people.
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Jones was just, like, rotting right now.
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You could have got the kid.
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Uh, a but e don't wanna talk about stealing a man.
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That was my god coming from college.
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E fantasy team.
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Basically.
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Well, before dad went down, he was killing him.
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See, Higgins is looking good to.
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You know, that whole class Justin Jefferson, as soon as Dalvin cook went down.
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E o e o Forgot something.
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Oh, Chase Claypool.
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I'm gonna chase Playful, too.
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He is.
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Yo, doing Wide receiver.
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Class was stacked.
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Jerry, Judy grow Henry Wrong looking great, like bro.
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What is that doing? Okay, so yeah, it's, uh, injury reserve.
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He's got a hamstring.
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He's tryingto trying to make it in life.
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He did have a nice He did have a nice play with the way our last two games.
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You played really well in the first happening.
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Second was such a poverty team, though.
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It was such a poverty team that that would catch Makes everybody elder Jets fans happy.
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He caught one pass e o a degree wouldn't just make a degree, would you? Should have been looking terrible draft picks for now, as we're taking that for the future, that's e e got to realize, but Robinson his contract.
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So he's a another team.
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You've got weapons.
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They ain't about that. Overrated.
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Wasn't five and three are five and three.
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Whatever are the very free bubbling Allen is about, uh, he wants that money.
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E.
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Do you think this Sunday night.
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Hey, incredible Allen Robinson, Paula.
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It wasn't as good a way.
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Also ate there for life.
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Absolutely.
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A Oh, he's had a beer for life, bro.
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Like you guys got interested at Quarterback man.
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True Biscuit.
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Yeah, true Brisky over the ship.
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A Nick Foles is balling e I wish I wish they would put Nick Foles in after the bye week, though.
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Boxing and I don't know how e like him high up.
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And so I think it was one of you guys made the point.
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B Alabama that you can't pick when you talk about college quarterbacks.
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Game experience matters a lot like Robiskie only played 13 games.
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Was it way have been talking about the Bears making way? Greatest running back way crazy freezing, freezing, freezing E and Chris E Better.
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I'm talking E O Barry Sanders, E o per game.
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Barry Sanders went to the O.
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G.
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E.
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Doing in Kansas City being the third string in the back E A.
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And we owe more.
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Adams enjoy his best defensive uses under the Jets the way we use them, because the more Adams is average to not that great and coverage right? So we use them basically as an extra linebacker.
00:17:23
If you still don't wanna line, they move.
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Marcus made out to be more of the free safety.
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I wish it would have drafted a dude Williams from Utah, but whatever.
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Oh, that draft.
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Can I tell you something? That draft.
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I had my own mock draft.
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My first pick was my homes.
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My second, my second round pick was Dalvin. Cook.
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Get a real job way, E u.
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So it's only just message for it.
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Way have a chance of way, Garrett.
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Thank No, that that Myles Garrett driving 60 Miles Garrett was the first over.
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I don't even think Myles Garrett was not drive.
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It's different drive.
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So that zero that's a year before.
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That's a different drive.
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Okay, That guy.
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No, no, he's right.
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No, Miles guy was number one.
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My daddy.
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Oh, yeah.
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Hold on Video.
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We picked two safeties in the road.
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It is.
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Who does that E If you look at if you look at the if you look at the franchise tags Uh huh.
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So just you know, of course, the highest franchise tag is quarter. No, by position.
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His quarterback, right.
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Uh, the lowest franchise tag is, um, kickers.
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I'm a city Lewis ****ing safeties, man.
00:19:22
Why you draw in the first round a second? You know what? Wasn't this a year that we were enamored after What's the names? Run.
00:19:34
Uh, what happened was that year our safety sucked your higher.
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The safeties with Calvin Pro e they drafted we need instead of just getting the best player o e everything that was awesome in the first round.
00:19:54
Four ever had a good years.
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Second year was he ain't bad.
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Now you got killed for that.
00:20:00
That drop against, uh, 17 was e wanted to be honest with you.
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Wanted the best Forget way.
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Traded up like a whole bunch of first round picks.
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Way Adam's man. That's such a misnomer.
00:20:24
Jamal Adams enjoyed his best individual individual 19.
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But individual performances in terms of I'm not saying what I'm saying is way, But you said, you know, you said we ruined them.
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I'm, like, way he got traded for, like he got traded for first.
00:20:43
When it's even every guy, right? You need a morale, a scrimmage to basically be that freaking mistletoe.
00:21:04
You can't.
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You can't.
00:21:06
Kimpson was a linebacker.
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Play a little bit out of coverage.
00:21:11
You know what it is? You know, Jamal Adams is.
00:21:13
He's, um, or he's a more technically sound Bob Sanders Bob.
00:21:20
Faster Bob.
00:21:22
Bob Sanders is more like a missile, Jamal.
00:21:24
As a missile tube, Bob sins would catch you out of coverage and pull you up.
00:21:29
Like, you know, You know what's worse than you know what? You know what's worse than a safety E.
00:21:35
I guess he's gonna be Yes, because it has to be.
00:21:37
Some of the Jets have put a lot of No, I'm just saying, like, first of all, you don't draft safeties in the top half of the first round, right? If you're gonna drop of safety, he better be.
00:21:47
He better be a You better be like a ball hawk generation.
00:21:51
You know, dropping in the box safety six overall.
00:21:56
That's insane, man.
00:21:58
You gotta get you able to do more than just, um, like Dion Sanders.
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He was ableto Yeah, a.
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Hey had to be a Heisman Trophy candidate.
00:22:13
What's up? Yeah, you got Dion Sanders was discussing discussing.
00:22:19
That's That's a generational talent right there.
00:22:21
Uh, was it that that draft was crazy in the first time you had a You had Derrick Thomas you had.
00:22:33
That's where Eichmann No.
00:22:37
Yeah.
00:22:38
I remember that in the 89 draft toward a Mandarin everything.
00:22:45
A comments that it was five Hall of Famers in the first before Hall of Fames in the first five z.
00:22:57
Look, if it does get give me trouble, Lawrence and turns Marshall from even though I beli want one of the O.
00:23:06
What were you gonna say? Jay? Hey said 80 feels better, but hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:23:10
Can I ask you this? Because you have to be fair, right? If the, uh, Terence Lawrenson.
00:23:20
So, like, give me a team that JT feels because I wanna be like All right, Trevor Lawrence, At least have the chance to compete with Trevor.
00:23:27
Lawrence is nice.
00:23:28
He's worked all that stuff that he whatever.
00:23:31
Um, two things.
00:23:33
Both of them come from Georgia.
00:23:34
And both of them were were one A and one B, and I went to high schools only, like, 100 miles.
00:23:44
So they've been competing against each other. Whatever.
00:23:47
So what happened though? Trevor Lawrence goes to Clemson, starts right away.
00:23:52
Um, just goes to Georgia and had to play behind Jake from who was like in the national championship the year before.
00:23:58
So people, all of sudden people start between them like they're so far apart. They're not.
00:24:05
But the reason why I, like feels, is the mobility aspect of his game.
00:24:11
Trevor Lawrence can move to, but feels like if you the way the NFL is going.
00:24:16
Look at Lamar Jackson.
00:24:18
Right point, um, Josh Allen.
00:24:22
The guys that can move but cash a system to that, though I used to agree with that.
00:24:28
But when you watch Lamar Jackson right the playoffs in your place intimately defensive Heinz Last year he struggled right? It's a misnomer that the running quarterback now, this is why I like my homes right, launches more wear.
00:24:52
They know the same pocket, but it's like they went through one and e O.
00:25:03
That is, like, literally a weapon you have tow.
00:25:06
Watch out for Lamar Jackson's running because it's a It's a legit staple within the offense, right? But they have those three running backs J. K.
00:25:13
Dobbins, Mark Ingram and, um, the other guy can't remember, and they literally Mark Jackson is like not to say he's a running back of the throat, but he's considered that, like, dangerous in that regard.
00:25:23
Now my home is not seen as that, but my homes can move right.
00:25:27
I think that my homes, he could make every throw in the field, right? And it's like, at the very least, that if he started out the pocket right certain third place with Chief, he's gonna run right.
00:25:45
But he could.
00:25:46
He focuses like he made Nazi.
00:25:48
Make sure they can make everything I feel with J T feels you might run into an issue where you play somebody's elite.
00:25:53
Defense is right.
00:25:54
You're outside the numbers.
00:25:55
You can't read defenses problem.
00:25:57
U E o your issues that he's trying to be a gun slinger.
00:26:03
You could hold that back.
00:26:05
Sending you did with Josh Alessio.
00:26:09
Making a travel hours is that knows the playbook inside and out, right? So a lot of times when you see him take a throw is based on the players.
00:26:21
He read the coverage of the coaches.
00:26:23
If you have a like, for instance, for you, you see when you see his, his talent manifest is when he's coverage.
00:26:31
I mean, he's pressure and anticipates the route on the throat.
00:26:35
So it looks like the receiver or he's throwing the ball to the wrong place.
00:26:40
You goes.
00:26:41
The playbook knows about it to be running and anticipates to throw, which I don't have in a fan.
00:26:47
Donald is.
00:26:48
He doesn't anticipate he has to see people open before you lose it.
00:26:52
You bring in Trevor Lawrence.
00:26:54
All those guys that you say are not weapons.
00:26:56
Not for quarterback.
00:26:59
Uh, a Sam Donald can meet guys on the run.
00:27:06
Uh, Donald s so he can make those stores an issue with Sam Donald's that sometimes he becomes a one read quarterback.
00:27:17
Sometimes he locks onto targets.
00:27:19
He has bad mechanics thrown back on his on his back foot.
00:27:22
He doesn't.
00:27:23
He doesn't use his feet enough where and to his credit, right.
00:27:30
But he has to realize he has the weapons outside of Crowder, who's now her and men's.
00:27:34
They didn't have weapons many times.
00:27:36
Sam, don't.
00:27:37
I've seen it.
00:27:38
Where seven down.
00:27:39
We'll have a 36 get outside the pocket.
00:27:40
He has room to run for the first time.
00:27:42
He's doing a little bit more this year.
00:27:43
Last year was doing a lot Where 36 30 talk and he tried to go back to Dolphins game.
00:27:48
We got destroyed.
00:27:49
It was like a third at 11.
00:27:51
Whatever.
00:27:52
He throws a terrible interception and it's like dogs.
00:27:54
You literally could have just ran the ball.
00:27:56
There was no one.
00:27:57
You are a coaching, but that's the thing about if you don't have what you don't have, Coach, you don't have weapons.
00:28:04
You have to use your feet.
00:28:05
Now a guy Josh Allen, right, is like the reverse for him.
00:28:08
Josh Allen had last year.
00:28:10
He had weapons and understand.
00:28:11
You got a great system and they got they got a great system over there.
00:28:14
Racism.
00:28:15
Brian Table, put the weapons down, John.
00:28:18
Uh, they complement his big arm, right? Josh Allen from Wyoming had an accuracy of, like 52% which is terrible or cause brave.
00:28:28
Terrible.
00:28:29
But then I tell you something, e, I'm gonna put I'm a post.
00:28:35
First of all, my home was my my guy.
00:28:37
Josh Allen was My God, I'm opposed to my I'm opposed to my scouting report on Josh Allen and how I debunk this whole concept that he was inaccurate.
00:28:46
So there's a lot of drop passage.
00:28:48
No completion percentage is very tricky because it's something that you can scheme.
00:28:55
You can scheme a guy to have.
00:28:56
Good completion percentage is by giving them easy throat. You.
00:29:00
Why Baker Mayfield In college? Yeah, Baker, Mayfield exact.
00:29:07
Wyoming.
00:29:08
Wyoming played like an NFL type of offense where he was throwing the ball like 2030 yards downfield with some bootleg wide receivers.
00:29:19
And the one thing the one time when he was inaccurate is when he was trying when he was trying to force it.
00:29:25
But, like on a regular Joe like, I didn't see the accurate accuracy issues that everybody was talking about.
00:29:32
And I pointed that out and he ultimate.
00:29:35
I didn't like that Dr Class at all, to be honest with you, but he ultimately was.
00:29:38
My was my was my favorite.
00:29:42
Why was quarterback because of the fact that just pure talent wives, you could work with that if you have good coaching, and that's exactly what happened.
00:29:52
Donald's problems.
00:29:54
I didn't like because he remind me too much of his passion.
00:29:59
I have a question.
00:30:00
I got a question horrible, and then, and he makes he either look spectacular and here's what I always said about him is that he makes the spectacular look easy and the easy look hard.
00:30:13
Rick.
00:30:14
Rick, I got a question now.
00:30:16
Okay? Okay.
00:30:17
My bad giant would have drafted Omar Jackson.
00:30:24
Mark Jackson doesn't work without without without Roman.
00:30:29
What's his name? What's that? Hey, will he be Colin Kaepernick from a p o.
00:30:38
Completely like change the way they run their offense? Just No, it was always the Giants had somebody that was willing to do that he would he would work out.
00:30:48
But you know what, Lamar and say Kwan would have been incredible.
00:30:52
Do you think about that? That would have been a Yeah.
00:30:57
Same drafthouse They wouldn't Can't pick him.
00:30:58
E think they were holed up there were other, but there was like, 30 chump was 2nd, 2nd round, I believe.
00:31:08
Yeah, e trade back up e Yeah, e a Johnston a Lamar Jackson, Nick Cheung Or they could have They could have got both. They could have got Barkley.
00:31:30
Or if they traded back up, If they really liked Lamar, I would a combination.
00:31:35
Uh huh.
00:31:37
That would be crazy.
00:31:40
I really think the giants myself.
00:31:41
Hold on.
00:31:42
Let me you were talking like feels like, you know, feels doesn't even run out all the all this year.
00:31:47
Do you know he has more touchdowns than incompletions? Nobody.
00:31:52
Just like his greatness.
00:31:53
So I'm not I'm not just just feel greatness e a quarterback e.
00:32:00
I just think I just like Trevor Lawrence over Justin Field and wait 66667 This is coming from a guy from Ohio.
00:32:13
Okay, He has not enough experience when he hey playing And what, um, Trevor Lawrence is planning to totally different teams.
00:32:25
Like the SEC is such a powerhouse way.
00:32:29
Trevor Lawrence place in the A C c Yeah.
00:32:33
Trouble Lords don't see nobody until until the playoffs.
00:32:38
Yea, why you're playing.
00:32:43
You're playing Clinton.
00:32:44
My son graduated from Clemson.
00:32:46
E no.
00:32:47
No one isn't on Clemson, man. Salute. Nobody.
00:32:50
Clemson don't play nobody until until the playoffs.
00:32:53
Sharp losses could be number one regarding e because of the but All right, so my parking.
00:33:01
Now, Rick Warren saying that J t Fields is gonna be better, and he might most i e I'm Oh, baby.
00:33:13
Oh, Destined to go to the Jets.
00:33:20
Justin Field.
00:33:21
Mama's gonna go to a better team? Absolutely.
00:33:24
And he going? You know what? We've got a good point.
00:33:28
Feels made prosper because of it.
00:33:30
Better it feels goto Jaguars.
00:33:34
They got weapons.
00:33:35
They got d j chart.
00:33:36
They got, uh I'm not going to the charges.
00:33:40
These charges e j chart they got Who's the other dude? Otherwise, she actually drafted last year.
00:33:48
Hey, ho.
00:33:50
No, no, no, no, I can't.
00:33:52
Yeah, You got a boxing like a skinny.
00:33:56
I'm just looking again.
00:33:59
I could see a stupid face right now, too.
00:34:01
He got Yeah, they showed me all the y receives up.
00:34:06
Um ****.
00:34:07
Why can't anybody got d j chart on and be Westbrook a Dede Westbrook.
00:34:15
He's on the i r.
00:34:16
Right now. The western.
00:34:17
And they got all that lavish casino he got in here injury problems, too, in college too, But yeah, and he got wasn't James Rock.
00:34:42
See, I come in over exceeded absolutely on this team.
00:34:47
What you doing? But you guys got and y'all go.
00:34:52
Hey, you know something down south, boys? Yeah, I'm expecting them down.
00:34:57
Stop These downside for us to play, man.
00:35:00
Yeah.
00:35:02
I got 2000 and 2.
00:35:03
2227 to 2272 yards, 11 touchdowns, five interceptions, 67% completion rate.
00:35:12
Uh, that's pretty **** good.
00:35:15
Who got job veteran? Um, they e a degree is the most overrated.
00:35:27
Robertson Right now that be a J green.
00:35:31
But he missed a two years.
00:35:36
Yeah, right, man, Yeah.
00:35:40
I mean, that's that's what I was.
00:35:42
8000 jets trade for a J.
00:35:44
Green. But it's not me alone.
00:35:46
E could be disappointed.
00:35:48
You could have 32.
00:35:49
33 with you.
00:35:52
What you got receiving Berrios? You know, very, very a back, every every backs embarrassing make Ole.
00:36:06
And then he'll drop a crucial third down play like it's a should be playing.
00:36:13
He said he's not.
00:36:14
Should be.
00:36:16
Should be a 10.
00:36:21
Maybe so.
00:36:22
It s a so what? But since trainee Cincinnati is in a great position, though now, because spend money off season because he was good while he's getting paid while he's not getting paid nothing.
00:36:44
Well, you don't have to pay him yet.
00:36:45
E Brown doesn't spend money though, right? ****.
00:36:49
He spent a lot of money defense.
00:36:51
Okay.
00:36:52
All right, man.
00:36:53
E one e one more offensive lineman, I think the guard? Yeah.
00:37:07
Would you say it is really funny looking? Ohio State, The guard, John Williams.
00:37:12
No, no, no, no.
00:37:15
E a Yeah.
00:37:25
Um, Francis Cinetic are you from? Thanks.
00:37:31
Uh, because Carmelo home.
00:37:35
I know.
00:37:36
I know him.
00:37:39
When he got to the next, it was just a So that means you remember fan to the right.
00:37:45
No, You know what I call them Endeavor.
00:37:47
But when he came to the Knicks, it was all I was all in from there.
00:37:52
Teddy, don't disrespect, but Cincinnati, you haven't been to New York. You haven't been.
00:38:01
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:38:03
It just don't live out there.
00:38:05
Why? Why you trying todo e o and keeping a buck? Cincinnati got like, a dope underground.
00:38:17
Hip hop, like a lot of producers do this. Absolutely.
00:38:21
You know, there's a lot a lot of producers out.
00:38:28
E a Caribbean *******, son e ******* to the fullest.
00:38:44
They got producers out there, Rick.
00:38:45
We'll give them Give them something.
00:38:47
A way about music scene.
00:38:49
We talked about sports right now.
00:38:50
New York a week.
00:38:53
Teddy, Have you been other places besides Cincinnati? I'm a truck job. Travel everywhere.
00:39:00
Job where? That's a crazy job.
00:39:04
Yeah, man.
00:39:05
Just E yeah.
00:39:08
Do this becomes a for real, son.
00:39:11
This dio and with no facts There were no fax e.
00:39:17
I've been in Cincinnati, man.
00:39:19
I wasn't feeling it.
00:39:20
What part? I have no way or in a hotel right across from the stadium.
00:39:26
Okay.
00:39:27
He was in the heart of the city where nobody a Kentucky Right across the river is Kentucky. Yeah.
00:39:34
Don't get me wrong though.
00:39:35
It is.
00:39:36
They got some nice restaurants and stuff like, get me wrong.
00:39:39
But we talking sports right now? Yeah, E And so that is kind of like the city kind of it, Really.
00:39:48
It is in a lot no disrespect to you all from New York way she I **** on New York to New York, Dirty and **** Yeah, from South Carolina, bro.
00:40:01
Like they still got slavery down there, bro.
00:40:03
Like, oh, e lived.
00:40:10
I lived in Chicago for, like, 10 years.
00:40:11
That's a beautiful city right there because you live downtown E because that's where E Tom didn't go past 30%.
00:40:23
But downtown area of Chicago is probably gonna dopest cities in the world to me.
00:40:30
I respect what you want is a terrible man or not y'all but people living.
00:40:34
You know The wind is so strong it shakes your car, Man e, You don't like the people in Chicago? E can't.
00:40:46
There's nothing like New York e don't give a **** what no one has not raised.
00:40:50
Piece is the best pizza.
00:40:51
I got a question for way.
00:40:58
Got a question? Um, what was that conversation you guys had about Bradley, Bill and Michael Porter Jr earlier? Like two hours ago? I want to get into that conversation that you guys, you, Mara, what they were talking about.
00:41:15
I think we were talking about Bradley.
00:41:16
Bill, would you trade Bradley bill for Michael Porter Jr.
00:41:22
A first round of Jeremy Grant and Bobo? Yeah, absolutely.
00:41:34
First round ST Jeremy Grant.
00:41:36
Michael Carter Jr.
00:41:38
Ball ball.
00:41:39
What about them? I'm not doing that.
00:41:42
That's way too much value.
00:41:43
My way home.
00:41:46
Yeah, I want I want to put this out.
00:41:49
This your Bradley bill is averaging 30 in this league already.
00:41:53
So before percent used to train on a team that's not winning.
00:41:58
Right? So you have to take them out.
00:42:10
What happens when you know you said that it was a all right.
00:42:18
We owe winning thing.
00:42:22
Winning the team it takes a team win is not going to take just Bradley Bill.
00:42:27
That's not a good argument to say.
00:42:28
Well, Bradley Beal is not winning.
00:42:30
Look, look, John Wall was out for the season.
00:42:33
Um, he had Who? Davis per times with the seat.
00:42:36
It was him and Davis protons.
00:42:37
Thomas Blood starts.
00:42:40
Yeah, they have a Rick Rick.
00:42:42
I agree with you, though.
00:42:43
You got a good point, Rick.
00:42:45
Your points is wrong, though.
00:42:47
Michael Porter Jr.
00:42:50
Who else? Ah, first rounder and assigning I think it's a sign and trade with Jeremy Grant e goes so fast.
00:43:01
That's about how much How much is, UH, what do you think, right? Like Bobo Bobo don't even play.
00:43:15
Except that whenever you make a shade the team with the best the team that ends up with the best player in the NBA wins.
00:43:24
It was only five guys on the floor.
00:43:26
If you get one guy that gets you 26 27 28 you're winning.
00:43:31
And Moses what you think.
00:43:33
Here's my thing.
00:43:34
Why did Michael Porter Jr drop and why did ball ball drop Why? Yea, okay on you gotta you gotta player, who's already who's who got a season in the league is he's very near to James Harden numbers he's already look at.
00:43:54
Look at Look, let's take time to look at that.
00:43:56
45% from the field, I think. 36.
00:43:59
No, you don't need to say I know his number.
00:44:01
Okay? He's averaging.
00:44:02
He's already gonna start pushing James Harden numbers already.
00:44:06
This he's already like he's already in that level already.
00:44:10
That's it. It's over for the league.
00:44:14
If I could get Brother Bill, I'm trading Michael Porter Jr and Bobo.
00:44:19
I'll give you two first round picks were on the same page.
00:44:23
E three.
00:44:26
I'll give you three first, man.
00:44:29
You talk.
00:44:30
That's crazy for you guys to be.
00:44:32
You know, some of you guys sometimes I question your GM skills.
00:44:37
You expect my gym to the max right there? Yeah, Max, I'm very skeptical.
00:44:45
I'm very skeptical you come through with the way you do, but what a The central question, Rick.
00:44:58
A chance.
00:45:03
But, David, about e o.
00:45:08
But two players who at most my last five years and you're gonna tell him you're gonna pass up on Bradley Bill, who's on his way to average 30 points in this league.
00:45:16
35 points in this league.
00:45:18
And you know what? You would be a Bobo, his bad ankles or bad.
00:45:26
I don't even know what the situation do.
00:45:30
You think there is there any caveat? You keep bringing up the 30 points right? But then you complain They had nobody to play with.
00:45:35
But then, a matter of fact that feeds into the 30 points, right? I mean, he's, Ah, good player.
00:45:40
Don't get me wrong.
00:45:41
He's a good win. He's a player.
00:45:43
That fish, Yeah, but at 30 points again comes to catalyze because there's no one else on the team he could do with you.
00:45:49
He could do with anybody.
00:45:51
That's what we owe.
00:45:57
Who would be the so called? He's on the team.
00:45:59
And who would have the ball in their hands? Look, he could look he could He could shoot it toe.
00:46:04
He could shoot it or he could.
00:46:05
He could run the point.
00:46:07
Whichever you gave.
00:46:08
You want it? I don't know what what I'll give me trying to bring e play is, uh, Is Denver better? Jamal Murray together with joking Bill.
00:46:25
Bill Murray, Bill on Denver.
00:46:28
Does that make Denver a better team than what they are now? Absolutely.
00:46:38
You're gonna pass up on 30 to 35 points because you want help getting 30 to 35 points.
00:46:42
You see, you're not getting 35 e at this point.
00:46:54
You're not.
00:46:55
You're not transplants.
00:46:56
Yeah, that's a matter for the same.
00:46:59
You don't need to wait.
00:47:01
Listen, they don't need 35.
00:47:03
They need the ability to get 35.
00:47:06
Yes, you get to the playoffs.
00:47:09
It's not just two guys.
00:47:11
They got three guys when they if anybody remembers for the playoffs, the issue wasn't this couldn't hit shots.
00:47:22
They very Harris like that like that seems ridiculous.
00:47:27
Yeah, Gary Harris still have a deal.
00:47:30
I think I e you don't think there'll be a better team, which is important.
00:47:38
They still have Barton to the only reason.
00:47:41
Look, there's a reason why I'm hesitant, right? Because and I think M PJ's upside is phenomenal.
00:47:51
Now the back issue it's It could flare up at any moment, ways on.
00:48:01
But I think in PJs upside people were under arraignment just because we've seen what you do in the playoffs, but he was averaging, like 20 minutes a night, Whatever.
00:48:11
I'm just not sure if I'm giving, like I like em PJ's offensive game like I think that he I might say he's he can be as effective or whatever as badly, but I'll give you that so called potential to score 30 30 to 35 points a night in the near future.
00:48:25
But I think that the upside from is not for I think that you I don't know.
00:48:29
It's tough.
00:48:30
It's tough because you make your point.
00:48:32
That look, the first round isn't gonna ain't gonna be of much value anyway, right? I mean, they are.
00:48:36
That team is stacked right? Bobo a country, but he hasn't played, so I can't really count him in.
00:48:42
So the M P J argument.
00:48:43
I think that's where the boys down to me.
00:48:45
But I just hate the fact that we're thinking that rally bill E P J play a whole 82 games e.
00:49:07
Right now next year.
00:49:08
Maybe it's not that, but Michael Porter Jr as that that that secondary or tertiary, score next to the yoke Ege and Murray, when they struggle to get their shots off.
00:49:19
I think m p J can be that.
00:49:21
I'm just saying I don't want e.
00:49:23
Can I ask a question? It's a general question kind of related to this.
00:49:28
So how much you value upside versus having current production.
00:49:38
Good question.
00:49:39
Sorry.
00:49:40
How much you have.
00:49:41
Like, what's the current production upside vs Bills in his prime video.
00:49:49
Be there for watch. Go.
00:49:52
Bill ain't going nowhere for the next 58 years.
00:49:56
He ain't going. No, no.
00:49:57
He getting traded this offseason.
00:50:00
No, but this is just a general e a contributions up e.
00:50:09
I'll give you this.
00:50:10
I'll give you three people with trees.
00:50:13
I'll give you this, Rick.
00:50:15
And your answer right now.
00:50:17
I'll go either way.
00:50:18
Right? If you trade.
00:50:20
If you trade for Bradley Bill, are they winning the championship? Yes.
00:50:24
Good infection.
00:50:25
Yeah, you could ask, Are they? Nobody guarantee you. Nobody guarantee.
00:50:30
Right? Right, Right, right, right.
00:50:31
Do that.
00:50:32
If rally builds on that team.
00:50:34
Right? So they lost in six games.
00:50:36
Five games.
00:50:38
They're better.
00:50:39
Their better regions.
00:50:40
They're closer to a chip with Bradley building Be.
00:50:45
I wanna be, I wanna yeah.
00:50:48
If I make that type of trade, right? And I'm not coming.
00:50:50
J is gonna be hurt like, Hey, can all that ****.
00:50:56
I want to make sure that if I make that trade for Bradley Bill, I'm at the gym.
00:51:00
I'm a champion, not just wasn't conference final championship.
00:51:04
I'm I can't guarantee that.
00:51:06
I don't I don't like can't guarantee it your e about guarantee.
00:51:14
Do I forget guarantee? But do I feel that I said, I feel if I do, I feel like I can win a chip.
00:51:23
You do it because you have.
00:51:25
You have what's enable you have all your best players.
00:51:28
Gary Harris Yokich On long term, you bring in a rally, but I don't b e issue out.
00:51:46
If you take the back issues.
00:51:47
I can't take it out, but what I e.
00:51:54
That's why if you make the trade, obviously the back issues out right? So if you make the trade you're bringing Bradley.
00:52:02
Do you feel that your championship contending that that's fine.
00:52:04
I'm just saying thing with back issues.
00:52:05
That and granted, they do have they have the luxury of a lot of play.
00:52:09
A lot of offensive players on that team, M P J I'm outside of the back issue, I think has a very high offensive ceiling.
00:52:16
Go back to my question.
00:52:18
E o Let's separate, Bill.
00:52:22
But just in general, What's your position on that? Apparently you you like to hold onto upside versus E.
00:52:32
Forget if I feel like if I feel like a win, I'm not saying guarantee whatever.
00:52:36
I feel like I'm a championship contender.
00:52:38
I just know this is I'm not your You're sticking with your sticking with the specific tree.
00:52:44
I'm just talking general in general.
00:52:46
So, like if you have a guy, for example, if you have a guy that you can trade for, that's 26 points per game right now.
00:52:56
Uh huh.
00:52:57
And still young versus ah, young guy, you have to give up a young guy who you think has potential.
00:53:07
It's a it's case by case.
00:53:10
It's not black and white where it I'm a e like current production.
00:53:23
This God compliments players on my team better than and he makes the team like he makes the overall team better.
00:53:30
Like, say, France is like a Jimmy Butler versus Like give me a high upside guy, right that you drive is like these guys have upside like I like players that make my like make other players better.
00:53:41
That makes sense, right? So if I get that type of guy who's giving me that current production, and he elevates my whole team versus one singular player who has really high upside to give you great production like the upside is that he's gonna give you great individual production, I might go for the guy who's giving the current production out if he makes my team better, e.
00:53:59
With like if I had give me, like a high upside.
00:54:01
But I'm just trying to get any.
00:54:02
I'll give you an example.
00:54:04
But let God, What you trying to say, God, I was gonna say, Did you see Davis pretends numbers this year? Who's running the point? That was Bradley Beal, who was making his numbers.
00:54:16
But Bradley? Bill Bradley E.
00:54:20
No, I know that. You know that. I'm talking.
00:54:22
I'm explaining that toe to Gamma because he's talking about.
00:54:26
I want somebody that makes players better.
00:54:28
Bradley Beal makes players better, too.
00:54:31
So what? I'm trying.
00:54:32
I'm trying. E gotta put that in context.
00:54:34
E O God, you always have to make this example, right? You know what? My example is a guy like Chris Paul, right? Chris Paul, That team out of 4% chance to get to the playoffs, right? They don't get there without a Chris Paul.
00:54:54
Right? And Crystal, obviously, is coming from a point guard position.
00:54:57
Typically a point Opposition's to make, in theory, rights to make everybody better.
00:55:01
Right? So, Michio, you That's what I'm thinking of, right? Jimmy Butler, That team with all those rookies and young players they're not getting into The O answered my question.
00:55:12
So your thing is, is that your thing is you're gonna hold on to the upside Because because your bar, if your bar is Chris Paul, then you're a guy that's never gonna make the trip.
00:55:23
You won't even dio.
00:55:24
I literally just said that if the guy is getting me, If I have a team like the for instance, like the Nuggets, right or team, that's Ah, contender.
00:55:32
Western Conference Finals contender.
00:55:35
If I'm getting the guy and it gets me close like a lot closer, right, I know the guarantee argument you make.
00:55:40
It gives me a lot closer with your, but that's my point.
00:55:43
Your bar is high.
00:55:44
Your bar is high.
00:55:45
You're talking about ships or your So that's the high bar.
00:55:51
So that that just lets you know you you lean more towards holding on to the upside.
00:55:57
Well, o e Okay.
00:56:02
Forget Forget the championships, officer.
00:56:04
Oh, me.
00:56:05
Oh, my point.
00:56:09
Teddy.
00:56:10
Tow us. It's a no brainer.
00:56:12
Yeah, like you sitting there like let me.
00:56:16
I got e rally bill.
00:56:30
I'm I might not pull it if I don't feel confident going a championship.
00:56:35
But again, it's case by case like I'm not Let me give you another counselor.
00:56:38
Price e was setting you up.
00:56:46
Oh, Lord. Go ahead.
00:56:47
Go ahead. Good.
00:56:48
Somebody eyes R J.
00:56:49
Barrett has anything to do, Rto Lord.
00:56:52
So wait, Would you trade r J Barrett in a deal that gets you Levine? No.
00:57:05
What? Uh, Levin ain't Bill.
00:57:10
Have you seen the numbers? Uh, about his guy is you see that Z Hey, why? He'll pick getting current production now.
00:57:22
Eyes are the numbers a little bit of that? Wait, wait, wait.
00:57:29
They're both losing.
00:57:31
Yeah, e don't your answers record if you look at and I know Wait, I thought you gave me the tracer thing.
00:57:43
This guy said, This guy is ready to move.
00:57:45
Deal, Right? Bill is much older.
00:57:49
Yo, Jason didn't Bill Bill is over.
00:57:54
Mhm.
00:57:55
Okay, but they're both on losing teams.
00:57:59
So why is Bill moving? Why does Bill move the needle? But Levin doesn't move any needle.
00:58:05
You wait.
00:58:08
You just talking to me or God of a month? Because I'm going to set this straight right now and say Libyan gets on the Knicks.
00:58:23
Is he moving the needle or we still the rebuilding process? What s being said? You better looking back.
00:58:33
And the reason why I loathe because it's over a Rick, please answer the question.
00:58:42
Please answer the question.
00:58:43
Rick E.
00:58:46
Okay.
00:58:49
Yeah.
00:58:52
The way I look out, I don't like that.
00:58:56
I don't like that question because it goes back to the same.
00:58:58
It goes back to the same comment about Oh, this guy, Bill, Look at Bill. He's in Washington.
00:59:05
He's losing.
00:59:06
Or because it takes five players to win.
00:59:09
And also, if I make the trade, it's not like I'm done.
00:59:13
It's not like I'm a g m o.
00:59:15
I get Levin. Okay, I've done my job.
00:59:17
I've done this.
00:59:19
That's just one.
00:59:20
That's just once.
00:59:23
Wait, here's what you're asking me.
00:59:27
Here's what you're asking me.
00:59:28
RJ scores 14 points on 13 shots.
00:59:32
Wait, let me finish my point.
00:59:36
My starting shooting.
00:59:37
I'm not even gonna use his name because that gets people wild up.
00:59:40
My starting shooting guard scores 14 points on 13 shots, and it's very inefficient.
00:59:48
After I make the trade, my starting sugar shooting guard is going to score.
00:59:52
Is gonna averaged 26 points at higher and higher efficiency.
00:59:55
How am I not a better team the day after the trade than I am? What years? Levine, 24 I'm talking about.
01:00:07
But that goes back to my That goes back to my That goes back to my point about current production versus upside.
01:00:14
The reason why you guys were hesitated because you're holding Yeah, R. J.
01:00:19
Has an upside.
01:00:21
Levin is doing this stuff now, but you paying Levin more, But we're not progressive.
01:00:27
Levine is getting weight.
01:00:28
Levine Levine is probably the best value contract in the NBA right now.
01:00:33
He's putting mass production.
01:00:34
You get paid, you get paid.
01:00:36
You get paid less than Randall E.
01:00:42
18.
01:00:43
5 for the next two years.
01:00:44
E think it would be a averages 26 points a game.
01:00:48
You know what I get? What you're saying.
01:00:49
I would get rid of RJ if if that was the if that was the case.
01:00:53
But if let's talk about Julius and the B B, a better debate you, this debate was to say, was to go to the upside versus the production.
01:01:02
E j.
01:01:05
Just the God of Moses.
01:01:07
You can't keep picking whether badly Bill makes plays around and better or whether you play on a bad team, right? Like you keep you, keep switching back and forth.
01:01:15
So is it.
01:01:16
Bradley. Bill made players around him better.
01:01:18
I feel that bad team, but he put great, but he was hamstrung by his terrible teammates.
01:01:24
I just wanna I wanna keep things in context that, you know, Washington drafted really Tamara, and that was very critical for them.
01:01:33
That's a good pick up.
01:01:34
I don't think my whole thing is one.
01:01:37
It does take a whole team toe win.
01:01:39
That's 12 You also have to go with the philosophy off the team.
01:01:44
If the team wants to tank for a high draft pick, then that's the team and being the lottery.
01:01:55
And that's the goal.
01:01:56
And you compete, you know, like that Bashed e The Knicks get bashed.
01:02:05
There was a time when Knicks were getting back that even the Knicks don't even know how.
01:02:09
Tow tank.
01:02:10
Right? There was one season where the Knicks couldn't.
01:02:13
They couldn't tent. You have toe.
01:02:17
So, Bradley, Bill, in my eyes, is doing the same thing.
01:02:21
But, uh, in the East, like they weren't thinking like, I don't understand this e got a problem with, but I got a I got a real problem with the whole concept of labeling guys losers because they are bad scene.
01:02:42
Teddy your Carmelo fan, right? Yes, Carmelo, never.
01:02:47
Carmelo never missed the playoffs his entire career until he got to the next.
01:02:52
And all of a sudden people put that label on him, that he's a guy that puts up good numbers on bad team.
01:02:57
When he was, he won a national championship as a college he won.
01:03:01
When he was in high school, he was in the national championship as a freshman and he went Denver.
01:03:05
He made the playoffs every single year.
01:03:08
Then he gets to the Knicks with bad organization that doesn't surround him with the proper players.
01:03:13
He starts losing and they throw that label on.
01:03:15
So we do that way.
01:03:17
People were doing the same thing on Booker.
01:03:19
Book is only 23 years old.
01:03:21
How you gonna be a loser when you're 23 years old? Knicks fans put these kind of these.
01:03:28
Put these labels on these young players that are doing tremendous things.
01:03:32
When our guys are putting trash numbers are losing team.
01:03:35
I'd rather be.
01:03:36
I'd rather be putting good numbers on a bad team than putting a trash numbers on the back seat, because I know I'm putting up good numbers on a bad team.
01:03:44
If I improved the team, I'm gonna be a better player.
01:03:47
So Booker was.
01:03:48
Booker was a loser until all of a sudden, all of a sudden they got Monty Williams.
01:03:52
They finally got a point guard.
01:03:53
They got Rubio, and all of a sudden they in the bubble.
01:03:56
They go undefeated and people start to look at Booker differently.
01:03:59
I wanna make a question E.
01:04:03
Can I ask you a question? Eyes there any? Is there any example where you value prospect over over current production with a player.
01:04:12
It depends. It all depends.
01:04:14
That's all point, because we're talking in this one direction, but we're talking about Denver.
01:04:19
If I'm Denver, I'm taking Bradley Bill off the rip.
01:04:22
What about someone with Rick? What I'm talking about? Yeah, I could answer that.
01:04:25
I could answer that age.
01:04:29
Factors in if I can get if I can get First of all if I look, I'm gonna go back to the Arjun thing.
01:04:35
If I look at RJ, if you guys look, look, look, look.
01:04:39
A Levin's numbers if art if arts mhm get four years, that's a win for me, right? That's a win, right now, if I could get it now.
01:04:54
And Levin still only 24 years old, I value that more, but because he still fits the timeline with the rest of the young kids.
01:05:03
But if he was 30 then I'm gonna stick with our jail, right? RJ's upside, but I'm not losing.
01:05:09
I'm not losing.
01:05:10
I'm not losing.
01:05:12
I'm not losing that much years of production by getting God that's 24 years old.
01:05:17
That's putting up putting a great number.
01:05:19
E s o.
01:05:23
I didn't coming from I didn't agree with him.
01:05:26
And you know what? It average 26.
01:05:36
20 right now.
01:05:38
E way I'm 62 year old.
01:05:51
Tim's right on a five year deal with the Knicks.
01:05:57
I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Levine right now.
01:06:00
I've coached him before.
01:06:01
I'm gonna take Levine right now and upgrade the shooting guard position E But see, you guys gonna go back? I'm not saying that RG Oh, right.
01:06:21
We owe a bookie.
01:06:24
That right? Right, right, right, right.
01:06:36
Yes, I'm not e wanna add e Just wanna add balance to the point that you say That would mean right now is 26 points per game and very efficient, right? That does what you say.
01:06:50
And you said R. J.
01:06:52
Barrett with 14 points per game right now and very inefficient, right with the facts, right? Both those effects.
01:07:00
And we can't just be those right, But we can't dispute.
01:07:03
Is this Zach Remain averaged 10 points per game as a rookie.
01:07:07
That next? Right now? No, no, that doesn't do it to make your argument.
01:07:17
I'm looking at not doing the trade.
01:07:19
I'm saying why do I give up all that stuff for a guy that may be better, All right? You're trying to improve the team next year.
01:07:32
You're not trying your decision.
01:07:36
So you're saying that I'd rather wait 34 years than get the immediate improvement right now? That's your choice.
01:07:44
No, no.
01:07:45
What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, if we're gonna build organically if we're gonna build organic thing because remember, Created signed with the Knicks.
01:07:54
38 years.
01:07:55
So line up to come here.
01:07:56
And I'm saying so if I have to build a content.
01:07:59
But after those organically Barry average because game my favorite boy.
01:08:06
Because Zach Lavine averaged 10 points per game that Levin, on average, 14 points per game for his second year in the league R. J.
01:08:15
Barrett did it have to do it Anything.
01:08:17
Okay, my original point.
01:08:19
Where? Because you have to give up assets in order to get the So why not keep that valuable asset and build around it? Hey, regardless, all that Hey, Rick, All I said was Does Levine more than needle? I don't know.
01:08:37
Where are we going? To Rio A.
01:08:43
That was a made the playoff.
01:08:45
Yeah, that would be made the playoffs one year in his whole goes back to the losing, very losing things.
01:08:51
So, e, he also has tread on his knees.
01:08:56
What do you have to? And I got a question when you look way got ****ing book.
01:09:00
When you guys look at Phoenix, when you guys look at Phoenix, right and how they've been losing these past years, right? Do you blame Booker? Or do you blame management management? So you but you're blaming you're blaming Levine instead of the Bulls management in Boyle.
01:09:21
That doesn't make any sense to talk about Levin coming to the Knicks, though.
01:09:25
Way Levin being co.
01:09:29
Do you think Levin being coached by boiling is the same as Levin being pushed by Tom Thibodeau? No, no, it's definitely not insane.
01:09:39
So what do you think Tom Thibodeau is a coach that gonna be able to elevate Levin's game and make make even a better a hold a U. S.
01:09:52
When it comes to when it comes to the players potential, right or potential is production your favorite production, right? And you give me stats, the numbers with No, I don't.
01:10:02
I don't I don't necessarily favorite production.
01:10:05
Okay? You're saying are you do right.
01:10:08
But then now you, it Z.
01:10:10
It's kind of projection now where you're saying all right exactly being comes over to the to the Knicks.
01:10:16
He's gonna have that same production, that same impact, right? That he's because he's or whatever with Tom Thibodeau before he got treated from the Wolves.
01:10:28
So it's like, How How do you use projection on that? But then, when it comes to the player, this context upside versus the stats, it's about the stats.
01:10:38
Like I think one thing where R.
01:10:39
J. Barrett and I brings up all the time.
01:10:41
Obviously, no one could measure it.
01:10:42
I don't get your point.
01:10:44
So you say Okay, so you're saying you're picking a guy based off stats or whatever, right? But once he gets traded, you think that he's gonna be a better player When A with tips versus a team with boiling.
01:10:56
Okay, so let me explain that, like, the numbers the numbers might actually be might not even be as high, but he's gonna But I feel like tips is gonna make him have more impact.
01:11:09
Rick had a question for you, Rick.
01:11:11
Well, you're gonna use numbers today again.
01:11:13
That's projection.
01:11:14
Number may not be high.
01:11:16
But so wait.
01:11:18
You don't think I'm bringing him off of those and this? I'm saying the same thing with Bill If I'm so listen, I'm bringing back with me for 2020.
01:11:25
Minnesota! Wait! Minnesota! Minnesota! Minnesota with Levine.
01:11:32
Wiggins! Good players, right? Yes.
01:11:37
You okay? Talented players, right? Counted plays, Right, Right, right.
01:11:41
They haven't accomplished **** the year that come.
01:11:46
Tom Thibodeau coached them.
01:11:47
They want 47 games.
01:11:49
Bond went to the playoffs.
01:11:50
That's the only time they did it with the criminal.
01:11:54
But they're the same exact players.
01:11:57
Before Thibodeau.
01:11:58
They didn't do **** after Thibodeau.
01:12:00
They didn't do **** have an impact on players that have talent.
01:12:05
No, I didn't say that.
01:12:06
But again, E U R j you the same argument.
01:12:14
You just said, Why do we trade away the talented or get married way? We also don't have those.
01:12:25
Those players, those talented way don't have them.
01:12:31
All right? I'm saying we don't have those players on the I'm sorry.
01:12:34
We don't have those players on the Knicks, the Wolves players, you know, But I'm using. I'm using.
01:12:38
I'm using Tom tiptoes impact on players with talent.
01:12:41
So the point e want to say something.
01:12:44
I wanna say aspect.
01:12:45
Here's my conflict with Levine, Rick And this is the problem.
01:12:49
Why a lot of people have issues with Zach Lavine, RJ Zach Lavine does have a Lord marketing, and he hasn't been he.
01:13:00
You know, Unlike Bradley, Bill Davis pretends excelled with Bradley.
01:13:06
Bill.
01:13:07
Zach Lavine is there, and you see Laurie marketing, who's an excellent shooter.
01:13:11
Excellent player, but he's not excel ing.
01:13:14
They also have other pieces there. Won the car.
01:13:19
He's been hurt a lot of the times, but you don't see you see, you have people willing to pay Davis Britten's 15 $2025 million because he had an excellent year.
01:13:32
That goes credit to Bradley Bill because that means Thio.
01:13:36
I mean, it doesn't matter when they both teams are losing teams.
01:13:40
No, no, no, no, no, a point e off course.
01:13:52
Absolutely.
01:13:53
That contracts.
01:13:56
If you look at their contracts, that tells you who is better.
01:13:59
Booker Booker is that you said Tobias Harris has been I don't know what we're talking about.
01:14:13
My gosh, gosh, just the production like No, I say so.
01:14:23
If Tom Thibodeau could do what he did with Zach Lavine.
01:14:25
Why don't you think he could do that? Would possibly higher upside tow R J Barrett? So true.
01:14:34
Exactly.
01:14:35
Being has the production I'm talking about.
01:14:39
Our issue is relaxed. Scoring.
01:14:44
Use the example of your little frozen hope you can hear me.
01:14:48
Can you hear me? You're not alright? You get now.
01:14:52
So when you use the thing with Zach Lavine, when I ask you the question you said that Tom Thibodeau when he was there, he made him.
01:15:00
He still? Yeah.
01:15:01
He made the team winning.
01:15:02
Don't you think that he would have that impact? Exactly.
01:15:05
So do you think he's gonna have a lower impact R.
01:15:09
J Barrett versus? Like, why wouldn't he have that same impact? And I didn't attribute Tom Typical impact its production because cat Wiggins produce the same numbers with time or without time.
01:15:28
Okay, they were They were good players.
01:15:30
That produce number.
01:15:31
The only difference Waas with Tom did one games, so the production was impacting wins.
01:15:36
Okay, Now, you mean I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put I'm not gonna credit that to Tom Thibodeau.
01:15:51
I'm gonna credit that to him working in the off season.
01:15:54
Now, wait Listen, listen, but listen.
01:16:02
Can't put up numbers.
01:16:04
Can't put up numbers after typical cat put up numbers before TiVo.
01:16:07
The only the only thing.
01:16:08
The only thing that the only difference is with Thibodeau.
01:16:12
He won games.
01:16:13
I got you guys mixing this point.
01:16:16
That's cat.
01:16:17
But we're told, eh? So if r. J.
01:16:19
Barrett comes back better next year and better this year, sorry, and let's see him.
01:16:24
I always credit the player e impact from how top typical.
01:16:29
Like, for instance, right the way that Booker was used this year.
01:16:33
I think the average the same amount of points, but his efficiency went up from the field, right? Like, and he looked like a player with coach.
01:16:42
That's okay.
01:16:43
That's also money.
01:16:44
Williams system, right? Like he utilized Rubio a lot more on the ball.
01:16:48
Took Booker.
01:16:49
Booker had a point guard.
01:16:51
You know this is the first time that a point, but whenever you look at Phoenix, you're like you need a points right? And I also start mhm and also the What's it called the 0.
01:17:02
5 seconds or less offense that money rooms and that doesn't there's no credits of money was just they got a guard.
01:17:09
I'm sorry.
01:17:10
I'm going.
01:17:11
Going all right.
01:17:12
Huh? I'm confused too.
01:17:13
You said I thought you were making a point when we got to find point Zach Lavine that you think that exactly being come to the Knicks? You said that exactly being come to the Knicks that Don't you think it would have the impact of Okay, Here's why.
01:17:28
Because this is to address the people that put the labels on players like, Oh, look, what has Zach Lavine? Everyone.
01:17:34
People used to say about 80.
01:17:35
What has a d? Everyone? It's like to me.
01:17:37
I hate that I hate that.
01:17:39
Like, just like just like Lemelle.
01:17:41
Oh, just like looks like Carmelo.
01:17:44
Once he came to New York, people put that he's a loser label on him.
01:17:48
Mom, He's my thing about that Carmelo situation.
01:17:51
What? What made that situation with Carmelo was him not willing toe work with Mike D'Antoni.
01:17:57
Well, he was trying to make him play small ball.
01:17:59
He kept fighting with him and fighting with him, and he didn't wanna He had his ego in the way just like Kobe Bryant when Michael D'Antonio was with Kobe Bryant.
01:18:08
Those two guys just They don't work.
01:18:10
They don't work with D'Antoni.
01:18:18
What has been the Yeah, but a hall of Fame player.
01:18:26
You can't say that.
01:18:28
Z that way from the same D'Antoni wanted Carmelo toe operate more from the perimeter.
01:18:35
Had no, he had no problem with Carmelo having high usage on the ball.
01:18:38
Now we're gonna sit on Carmelo.
01:18:39
No, I'm not s okay.
01:18:44
For instance.
01:18:45
Like a c p on the Lakers, right? I don't know what he averaged here and there, but KCP as a all around player, right? Especially on defense, Look a lot better.
01:18:54
And that aggressive zone defense at the Lakers played.
01:18:57
That's not on KCP working in the summer.
01:18:59
That is on.
01:19:00
Frank Vogel and Jason Kidd making kcp are way better.
01:19:04
Play like KCP look like an X factor in the playoffs.
01:19:07
When I look at a guy like like to Sarah said Tom Thibodeau, I'm not I don't know what's gonna he's gonna use RG Barry pies using more off to run through the middle castor ball off, uh, off passes to cut into the inside and dunk late.
01:19:19
Whatever versus use them as try to force to be a shooting which he's not or he's gonna try slowly become If r J bat shows market improvement right from the skin.
01:19:31
How was that not being accredited? So how Tom Thibodeau is using him? Good point. That's a good question.
01:19:39
If I'm using somebody in a scheme right that essentially, it's their strength, right? Yes, that could be things done in the off season to make certain skills better, but I'm using them or to their strengths.
01:19:50
Like RJ bears a guy who could slash to the basket.
01:19:53
He's better than being a shooter, right? By using more in that role, right? And he's getting He's giving me, say, 15, 16, 17 points.
01:20:00
Better efficiency.
01:20:01
Going to bass like you talked about him, ranking whatever somehow was not accredited to the court. Wait.
01:20:08
So the so is the fact that he took 13 shots to get 14 14 points.
01:20:14
That's on the took 13 shots to get 14 points.
01:20:17
That's because of how he was used, and not because of the fact that it z not black and white.
01:20:24
I'm saying that, okay, it's not black and white.
01:20:26
Give me a percentage.
01:20:27
Isn't it mostly on the player who the **** knows you don't ****ing know.
01:20:32
No e.
01:20:36
I know. I'll tell you how I know.
01:20:37
Because they're playing for 40 minutes tonight.
01:20:39
That that's That's not necessarily.
01:20:40
I'm gonna tell you how I know.
01:20:42
I'm gonna tell you how I know.
01:20:43
Let me tell you, what I know is because every single concerns I had about RJ prior to the draft show this ugly face as a rookie.
01:20:51
How is he coaching everywhere? Well, let me finish my point.
01:20:55
Well, everybody was intoxicated by the numbers and everybody's intoxicated by watching do.
01:21:00
And the numbers doesn't finish well, okay, Shoot gets to the line a lot, but this is free throws.
01:21:15
That's what I saw.
01:21:16
And that's what I said on Twitter and everybody Everybody thought and in the rear space on whatever.
01:21:21
So e don't know what everybody but I know, I know I was counting to that argument e goddess of what scheme Tom Thibodeau comes in.
01:21:31
If he doesn't learn how to finish better, doesn't make his free throws does way.
01:21:45
Keep saying we might R.
01:21:47
J.
01:21:48
Barrett in MBA games and made a two assessment about his NBA career.
01:21:52
That ain't even fair one way, But you're not pointing out the fact that R.
01:21:59
J.
01:22:00
Barrett raised his free throw percentage 30 points, 35 points during the season.
01:22:04
What? I didn't get a hold on, Hold on.
01:22:06
I didn't expect them to shoot 50 for the season.
01:22:09
I expect him to be a 60 some free throw percentage.
01:22:11
But what you saw? But what you saw improvement right the last the last two months can do that.
01:22:20
Because people you guys can, um your your portions that you like If you ask me if you asked me before the season what would be RJ's numbers, the numbers he got is what I was right.
01:22:34
A You don't like r.
01:22:35
J? Do you? I don't like a game.
01:22:38
Oh, hey, Theo, Theo Argument has been going on for like, two years.
01:22:47
Me and Rick been talking Thio.
01:22:55
Respect me, though.
01:22:56
I was saying this after his first pre season game.
01:22:59
This is not This is not a situation where he came on the Knicks and I was like apart whatever I was saying after his first pre season game in college, I was just like because I knew we were gonna suck.
01:23:12
I knew we're gonna suck so the city is real quick.
01:23:28
So I was looking at Duke.
01:23:31
Now do obviously, uh, look way better in regards to the NC Double A. Get to me.
01:23:39
But no, no, I'm talking about the team.
01:23:41
I'm talking about the players.
01:23:42
So do, anyway.
01:23:46
The coaching with Mike Krzyzewski right with that team, a lot of people have issues with it.
01:23:51
Right? Was his coaching of R.
01:23:53
J.
01:23:54
Barrett that much more different than fizzles coaching R.
01:23:56
J.
01:23:57
Barrett, despite the fact that to be to be a passenger.
01:24:04
But he started out under fist on fire.
01:24:08
He started.
01:24:09
He started the rookie year, making me making everybody think like calling me stupid.
01:24:15
And I was just like because he shot 40% from three and you always saying he could You know, all the people that want this is what was the coaching, the style of coaching between Duke and how similar? Because okay, so that's that's why wouldn't get because it was not similar.
01:24:35
It was not ***ually free.
01:24:39
Z arching himself, said R.
01:24:41
J.
01:24:42
Himself said you froze.
01:24:45
Ricky froze, froze, froze.
01:24:46
You freeze for this great flow.
01:24:51
Go back, go back.
01:24:53
You said R J said something? No.
01:24:55
All right.
01:24:57
RJ himself said that Coach Fizz and K gave him the similar freedom on the offense to do what he wanted.
01:25:05
So you may disagree.
01:25:07
RJ, out of his own mouth said that is Yeah, right.
01:25:14
Right.
01:25:15
Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna just just chalk that up, Thio the kid being nice.
01:25:21
I'm gonna tell you what I will tell you.
01:25:23
Go.
01:25:24
Is this what I will tell you is this, um, Julius Randle is not Zion Williamson, right? Marcus Morris was not Ken reddish right.
01:25:36
I'm going to say that just right.
01:25:37
Just right off the rip at Duke at Duke at Duke R J.
01:25:42
Barrett was allowed to be more of a playmaker in the half court, and especially in transition at with the Knicks with the Knicks, we had a point guard named Alfred Peyton.
01:25:52
Every time RJ touched that, he ran the RJ because he was the point guard.
01:25:56
Right? So you got and others in the half court and in transition because you had, frankly Latina, Julius Randle and Dinner Smith Jr.
01:26:06
Playing point for us.
01:26:07
I have a theory about basketball.
01:26:09
Basketball is one of impact.
01:26:16
Do you guys agree.
01:26:17
Yeah, right.
01:26:19
Whenever you have a player that you start blaming other factors.
01:26:25
Coaching city Uh huh.
01:26:30
You have to look at the players because basketball the one sport that you could take you take LeBron.
01:26:36
You put it on freaking Knicks.
01:26:38
Knicks make the playoffs.
01:26:39
You take Chris Paul you.
01:26:43
It's the one sport that it's not like football football you could blame.
01:26:49
You could blame the offensive line for quarterback struggling Yukio Coaching.
01:26:58
Comment, Right? So when I'm talking about Coach K and physical right and you're talking about, I saw the same RJ bad.
01:27:05
Whatever, right? All I'm trying to say is that when you said I could tell percentage between blah, blah, I'm just saying that they used him the same way.
01:27:14
So why would you expect not saying you did? Expect So how can anybody expect R.
01:27:19
J.
01:27:20
Barrett to get better like the singer? And yes, there are certain players that, like you said, they go to any team there superstar level plays.
01:27:25
They impact the game where they're playing with us.
01:27:28
It doesn't matter who they play with.
01:27:29
Their gonna go to playoffs speaking extremes right, And there's certain players that if you change the system around him or you put him in a certain system, you different.
01:27:39
Chris, you said that.
01:27:41
You just said You blame it on coaching, right? Literally, I believe, is R.
01:27:44
J.
01:27:45
Barrett, who hired, Um, actually, maybe I'll use the example.
01:27:49
It doesn't It doesn't fit toe physical, but But the point with fizzles that How can we sit here and say that the coaching does not have an impact on the production of Player has.
01:27:59
If I use a player more off the ball by using, ah, playing off of screens, if he's a good shooter, right and I don't have the bonus hands if you can't create shots for himself.
01:28:07
If I change it to where I'm getting him open out in space to make open shots and his production goes up, how's that part of the scheme on the player? I was okay, so my point was, with regards to it was back to Levin.
01:28:18
I feel like so I think you put Levine.
01:28:22
I think Levin in school e 26 in a game on any team.
01:28:36
But he goes, you have Golden State Warriors.
01:28:38
They're not dependent on him.
01:28:39
Thio e o you see, My point is, you give him the number of shots.
01:28:50
He's gonna efficiently get you those points because he has that skill level.
01:28:54
Yeah, but you also.
01:28:58
But, Rick.
01:29:00
But, Rick, you also you also are convergent arguments.
01:29:04
I never I'm not disputing how good Zach Lavine is.
01:29:07
The only thing I disagree with you with is do I throw R. J.
01:29:12
Barrett into the trade? That's what you had initially on eso, but everything else everything else, though everything else.
01:29:19
I agree with you.
01:29:20
What I'm saying this is some of the points have become divergent, like I don't I don't doubt that Levin pray for everything else you said is right.
01:29:34
I agree with you.
01:29:35
My whole thing is, Rick made says something about if you if you bring LeBron James to the Knicks or to any of the team that he could win, that's not necessarily true.
01:29:46
And you're stretching out the fax and that.
01:29:49
And this is why the MBA wack ass Cleveland team to the final man.
01:29:54
But but again, But he's always crying.
01:29:56
LeBron James is always crying players, so let's not act like he's doing it by himself.
01:30:03
He has to cry for players.
01:30:04
He created this homeland and LeBron James was on a team that legit earned the number four pick in the draft right behind us.
01:30:11
LeBron James was on that team Lakers that earned the number four pick.
01:30:17
This is Bron James, crying players that's like versus and be able to get a team so he could get Ah, **** team Hey, wanna pulling himself and also that **** team? I mean, he did have the number one, but is it? Is it? My point is, you put LeBron, he's still gonna put up his He's gonna do what he's gonna do because he's LeBron, but he can't win that.
01:30:41
Listen, my whole thing is you trying to say you could It's gonna be that players for like, RJ if you put you make some kind of bring you anywhere.
01:30:55
You can't put LeBron James anywhere he will lose and he will find theme.
01:31:01
Will Lett's keep that in perspective? But I think this is a stack of league, and also this is a team, a league now, where you have to call your buddy and try to team up in a team.
01:31:15
So that way you have a chance to win.
01:31:16
This is a full differently.
01:31:18
So go anywhere.
01:31:21
No, that's not true.
01:31:27
That's right.
01:31:28
I just used that.
01:31:29
I just used the outlier with that Lakers team is just the outline.
01:31:32
Rick was right, though he did drag that whack and past team to the playoffs.
01:31:35
My point is, yeah, but he kept crying.
01:31:37
The broad just kept a on any team you've given those number of shots he's gonna produce to you.
01:31:47
You work with that because that Zillow way have a player. We do that.
01:31:53
We do that with all our young guys, like all the all the drinkers out there on Twitter.
01:31:58
Oh, because and that's why you take a Bradley bill if you could get him, because they that's the more reason is way because Nick's air So next fans are so thirsty.
01:32:14
Two home to get home grown talent that they make all these excuses and they blame.
01:32:20
They'll blame the coach.
01:32:22
They'll blame the GM.
01:32:23
They'll blame the team they, but they won't blame them.
01:32:27
Blame.
01:32:29
The problem is the problem is the player.
01:32:34
They're the ones dribbling.
01:32:35
They're the ones shooting.
01:32:37
They don't want passing.
01:32:38
They don't want rebounding.
01:32:39
They the last time we had, would you say Who's the last homegrown way had? And we actually kept after his first country, Uh, how long ago? That forever.
01:32:54
But don't let 27.
01:32:56
Yeah, don't let that first.
01:32:58
It's about having a great organization.
01:33:03
Finally, we got an organization that's gonna want to do it right This time.
01:33:07
It's about drafting better.
01:33:08
It is developing better is developing the place.
01:33:12
You want that developing kick to how you believe in that developing magic dust.
01:33:16
You just put some development.
01:33:17
Doesn't because a mix have a strong A front office in years, right? And you haven't had a two season if you drive correctly if you make proper picks, if you don't.
01:33:32
If you don't, you don't have disjointed teams where it's like you have like the Jets, right where you have a GMs.
01:33:37
I'm married to the coach.
01:33:38
The coach gets fired.
01:33:40
GM right.
01:33:41
Stupid **** like that, Right? The Knicks.
01:33:42
I mean, you've had a guy like Phil Jackson done stupid ****.
01:33:45
So it's not magic dust, right? So and And one point I wanna make on Zach Lavine was that many times people just see outright production.
01:33:53
Obviously, Zach.
01:33:54
Libyans efficient player, right? So it may not account with him, But why? I'm not so quick to just say, Oh, this guy is doing this over here.
01:34:00
And if you put him over here with this set up, he's gonna be doing the same.
01:34:03
Even if people say, Oh, he has the same.
01:34:04
I mean, I looked at guys like in the past.
01:34:06
Always bring stuff like a corner.
01:34:07
McGeady right at one point was averaging, like 2022 points.
01:34:11
Whatever.
01:34:12
Right on the teams don't like what's going on.
01:34:14
He got karma.
01:34:15
Getty eventually got, you know, lots of injuries and stuff like that.
01:34:19
Nuggets and clippers, I believe in your average like way.
01:34:23
You got one or two good years.
01:34:25
Wait.
01:34:26
The Clippers and Golden State, the Clippers, Clippers and Golden State.
01:34:30
You're pulling out the oh just gave you pounded out Zach would be.
01:34:39
I'm saying why I don't when I'm looking At what production? There's a lot more that goes into just Pierce.
01:34:45
That context is everything.
01:34:47
You're scoring you What? That right.
01:34:51
Like okay, for instance, right? This is why I love Chris Paul, because hold on, E bay, something UM, let's pretend.
01:34:58
I think people get offended too much, especially when talking about RJ one day will be even better.
01:35:05
It's a zoo good as that being.
01:35:08
E think it's possible.
01:35:10
My bigger point better, but he could be better.
01:35:15
Whatever you believe, Um, my point was, I can get I can improve my shooting guard position and get better shooting at right now.
01:35:24
Tomorrow versus waiting.
01:35:27
That's what you were as a GM.
01:35:29
You always making that.
01:35:30
You always gotta make that decision.
01:35:31
Can we have? This is a good argument, and since there's home five years, how far can the Knicks go? But do you think? Do you think his 62 years old you think it's not the question that's not the question championship five years? How far can it Let's go? It's hard.
01:35:49
Todo e five years is definitely We're definitely a contending team because that's all that matters.
01:36:04
E don't see Wait.
01:36:06
We've averaged.
01:36:07
We've averaged a new coach since the new century, a year and four months a year from how much we've had 14 15 in 20 years, so if last five years, that automatically lets me know that we're doing good because history tells me he don't last fight.
01:36:28
Nobody last five years.
01:36:31
I think he's gonna last five years wreck.
01:36:33
I want to make a point.
01:36:35
I wanna talk about Boston with you and and player development because you're saying that player development doesn't exist in my correct or no.
01:36:42
I believe that you guys way.
01:36:45
E think that's unfair.
01:36:47
Assessment based on what I believe is just being around.
01:36:50
E Want to talk about? Look what Boston did when they drafted Jalen Brown.
01:36:55
They drafted Jalen Brown, 2016, and then they went and drafted Jayson Tatum.
01:37:00
They also they also signed Gordon Hayward that very year, 2017 Brown will got both Jayson Tatum and and Brown were third overall.
01:37:13
Pick. So correct.
01:37:16
We were talking about Janet Brown was a poor shooter.
01:37:18
And now he's becoming a much better shooter.
01:37:21
And then you want a credit Boston for that? Not Jalen Brown.
01:37:24
They picked up Gordon Hayward.
01:37:26
They paid him $35 million.
01:37:28
Did that help? You got to help.
01:37:29
Who do you wait? Who do you give credit to for the development? E believe I'm gonna tell you.
01:37:36
I'm gonna tell you.
01:37:37
I believe I believe it didn't if Boston did not get Gordon Hayward established proven player and established proven player who's averaging maybe 15, who could average 15 to 20 points in this league if they didn't have a great shooter at Gordon Hayward? E don't think Jalen Brown will be shooting as good as he is right now.
01:37:58
E don't think he's gonna be.
01:38:00
My personal belief is that development happens in the off season and those guys they hired, I think, what This is why guys like Who's all these other personal trainers that are getting paid millions by these guys to make them better? It's not so.
01:38:20
So, especially this Frank Knox, RJ Mitch.
01:38:26
They're gonna have close to nine months of an off season if they come back looking like ****ing bumps after nine months off season.
01:38:37
I don't want to get **** about E.
01:38:42
Want to get this guy I wanna get You Remember that beef that Gordon that that Jalen Brown had with Gordon Hayward? Because Jalen Brown wasn't getting no minutes and Gordon Hayward was taking his spot? This is what I'm saying.
01:38:54
No, no, no, no.
01:38:57
I'm trying to make a point that, like, look We both agree that established players once you can prove yourself in this league.
01:39:07
And I'm losing my train of thought, having a player like Gordon Hayward boosted and made Jalen Brown a much better scorer.
01:39:16
And the shooter in this league having a player like Gordon Hayward, then Brown wouldn't be the player he is by.
01:39:25
Hey, would be a good hey would be a good defender.
01:39:28
I give credit to his defense.
01:39:30
I'm not gonna give credit to his offense, that office.
01:39:32
But hey, Jayson Tatum.
01:39:35
Even Jayson Tatum offense to he wouldn't be so great if Gordon Hayward was not there.
01:39:40
No.
01:39:41
Okay, you know what? I'm a something right there.
01:39:43
Jayson Tatum worked with Kobe Bryant in the summertime, but you're missing the point that you need a Gordon head word in your team now.
01:39:52
You're right. You're right.
01:39:53
Now you're right.
01:39:54
Because I felt if you could have stayed the whole year and not and just just say way would have won five more games.
01:40:06
Just be honest right now.
01:40:08
Said Maria had off season where he didn't have a man.
01:40:12
Wait a minute.
01:40:13
20.
01:40:14
Are you really took up, man? Don't get me CEO It's like 2.
01:40:17
30 in the morning.
01:40:18
Are you telling me that Marcus Morris is gonna make somebody better? Who the hell is Marcus Morris? Marcus Morris is a journeyman of the average 12 points per game.
01:40:28
Came to New York half of season.
01:40:31
And let's get a man who was Marcus Morris.
01:40:36
Marcus Morris is a nobody.
01:40:39
He's a nobody.
01:40:45
Every Kevin Knox numbers until his fifth season in the NBA, and you're telling me that he was gonna make Kevin Knox better? How ever now get better is if Marcus Morris never come to New York.
01:40:57
Okay, Kevin, the play through mistakes, you guys, you guys think, think that guys get better in the off season.
01:41:05
Everybody, everybody gets better the whole year.
01:41:09
The whole years, not just off a Where does the book of development happens in the off season or during the during the season? That's a trick.
01:41:19
Question is both.
01:41:20
Yeah, yeah, that's a loaded question. E.
01:41:23
I want to respond that I want to respond to that.
01:41:26
John Wall said that there was a podcast with John Wall and Gilbert Arenas, and they were talking about how they often looking for competition within your team when you're when you're playing during the season, you always looking for better competition while you're while you're practicing.
01:41:42
Because once you get once you get toe.
01:41:49
So when you're a rookie like Jalen Brown, you always got competent.
01:41:52
Somebody like going ahead with its taking your spot and eating up all your minutes.
01:41:57
You're gonna push yourself to a level that you you've never been.
01:42:03
That's it.
01:42:05
I disagree.
01:42:06
Hey, just keep it real.
01:42:07
Riko Knox has no knowledge of that.
01:42:10
He practically Latina has no idea what that is.
01:42:14
Um, because they're not gone.
01:42:17
You know, I don't even know what that is that always the e about in season improvement.
01:42:24
So I'm realistic. Jalen Brown.
01:42:27
Uh, it seems like look, I think a lot of stuff he's worked on, but a lot of his improvement, it seems, came during the season.
01:42:33
His offense is amazing right now.
01:42:35
I'll put this in the chapter.
01:42:37
You guys read.
01:42:38
Hey, already have flash.
01:42:40
He already had to tell him.
01:42:41
He just need Thio.
01:42:42
Here's a poor shooting.
01:42:43
Sure seems like a lot of it.
01:42:44
Like I'm trying to read.
01:42:45
Hey, there are some people.
01:42:49
There are some people that Jalen Brown will eventually be better than Jason Tatum.
01:42:53
Him shoot off the dribble.
01:42:55
Hey, has the physical ability? Yeah.
01:42:58
I mean, he's a and he's you know, these people, you know, go ahead with painting.
01:43:04
He's not getting paid $35 million just to hang out.
01:43:09
I think we just don't know.
01:43:10
Honestly way.
01:43:14
That's where you get to add stuff to your game.
01:43:16
That's where you have James come way too fast for you to be thio the off season when you feel like you added something you.
01:43:27
So this is why I'm looking at the start of this year, December 22nd in these freaking kids come back.
01:43:39
Jalen Brown was losing his mind, bro. That's all.
01:43:45
Gordon Hayward eating his minutes, bro.
01:43:47
That's all going ahead, I But it's not, I think that I think it's a loaded question because because some players all they need is one stroke of confidence and they explode into being something.
01:44:01
You know what I'm saying? Like like for instance, for instance, I give you give you an example.
01:44:07
Um, Jeremy Lin got cut by.
01:44:13
He would have looked before we cut him.
01:44:14
Let's just see what he got before before we send him on his way.
01:44:18
The dude come in the game and score like 16 points and, like, 12 minutes, and they're like, Whoa, wait a minute for me before we run Tory Murray back out here, Let's let's play, Let's let's play Jeremy Lin And then something pops off and I know that's the outlier, but what I'm saying what my point was Players.
01:44:38
Some players have things clicked at different times in their career.
01:44:42
You know, by the way, Jamie Lynn looked a lot better, given the way he was used with Knicks versus when he how he's used to say The Golden State.
01:44:54
Hey, wait a minute, though.
01:44:59
This is, to be honest, this is the fourth year that, and you'll forget and you all say that.
01:45:05
But you'll forget how how destroyed Kobe Bryant looked his rookie season when John Stockton had him on roller skates.
01:45:12
Y'all look at the Hall of Fame, Kobe.
01:45:14
You'll forget that Kobe was a disgruntled looking rookie with low confidence, and he got way yo who little confidence.
01:45:25
He was 18 years old in the playoffs against Utah, and he's the only one taking taking last minute shots because everybody else who's scared to shoot he's got here.
01:45:33
Don't forget about Eddie Jones, who lack confidence.
01:45:36
Okay, you said he you're saying he like, can you saying, Because he took shots and missed.
01:45:44
You're not talking about the whole game when John Stockton had them on roller skates.
01:45:48
You don't cut out, of instance and be like, This is the whole snapshot you like.
01:45:53
Take one stitch in time and they'll be like, No, look at this.
01:45:57
Don't get the whole game.
01:45:58
It's like it's like when people say I wasn crossed over Jordan.
01:46:03
People don't His whole game told him roasting outs in the whole game.
01:46:07
And w you know, I'm saying This is This is snapshot memory here.
01:46:12
Kobe Bryant to the day he died.
01:46:14
Can't stand Del Harris because he was killing Eddie Jones and practice, and he knew he was better than Eddie Jones.
01:46:21
And Eddie Jones was the guy that they were playing.
01:46:24
They ultimately traded Eddie Jones to let Kobe get get coach Del Harris would not play him only because he was 18.
01:46:33
Bye.
01:46:34
Hey, Eddie Jones was the original three.
01:46:37
Indeed, Eddie Jones was the original three and he Didn't he say that like Eddie Jones was a bum? Eddie Jones was not a bum Eddie A.
01:46:52
He said the knucklehead podcast that he's mad because he works at his career numbers.
01:47:00
And he looked at how some of these guys got better career numbers.
01:47:04
And he knows that his first a year and a half or so Del Harris wouldn't play him better.
01:47:12
Hey said whatever.
01:47:13
When everything's back at it, he gets mad with nothing but the point.
01:47:21
For one, Eddie Jones was better than Kobe.
01:47:24
Let's not just saying that, Kobe.
01:47:28
Hey, man, you know Kobe Bryant had potential.
01:47:32
Everybody knew Kobe. They had potential.
01:47:34
But 18 year old Kobe Bryant versus Eddie Jones.
01:47:38
Come on, dog.
01:47:39
I mean, really, it didn't have to be Eddie Jones, but but Rick Fox was starting.
01:47:50
He was busting their ass and he said He said he Kobe was like, I know that there wouldn't play me.
01:47:55
So in practice, I would murder her.
01:47:58
Hey, I got a quick question for you.
01:48:00
Hey, when it comes to this draft coming up, since we know where the season starting, what young players is staying with the Knicks looks like the next guy, but I hope to give them till to the trade deadline.
01:48:19
So not really, I think.
01:48:22
I think in terms of, like, order of operations, I think the first guy that they probably looked at changes D N j.
01:48:29
The next guy probably knocks then Frank and then argue.
01:48:37
Yeah, I feel Frank did get traded.
01:48:39
How would you feel about that? Whatever.
01:48:41
Whatever.
01:48:43
I feel like we're friendly looking like 63 million.
01:48:47
You see, e Frank to succeed, but you gotta give me 35 36% from three.
01:48:53
You gotta give me 15 point.
01:48:54
You got to give me a you have to give me.
01:48:59
But then with Frank is that you gotta give me something offensively on the court to validate your being there because they leave them open.
01:49:05
Like I mean, you can't be.
01:49:07
They don't play the Oh, wait.
01:49:13
Be really We don't play his best attributes at all.
01:49:17
Oh, Frank, make it way, Teddy.
01:49:25
Why did you wait? Every time we talk about like, like, a little bit every time we talk about superstar somebody called Frank Miller King Ideas way.
01:49:39
I'm just thinking we please wait.
01:49:43
E can't even get Thio cosign.
01:49:50
Kevin Knox is thing with Brick Wall because you're talking about Franky Latina e.
01:49:54
I was really did say Kevin Knox has has high upside.
01:49:59
If he makes it to through this thing with Tom Thibodeau, you are talking about Frankie Latina, who played for four different cultures already and 33 Paul seasons Free.
01:50:12
Yeah, right.
01:50:13
That's exactly that's right.
01:50:15
You're exactly right. That's the problem.
01:50:17
Frankly, Latina is the problem.
01:50:19
Frank has had ample Tina, You can't put that on Freak E.
01:50:27
Just one thing.
01:50:28
I just want to say I'll keep Frank.
01:50:30
If I could get him on the Reggie Bullock contract, that's that.
01:50:32
That's That's the only way so far.
01:50:35
If I could get him on the Reggie Bullock contract, you know, give him another chance.
01:50:38
Way disrespectful.
01:50:45
Nothing.
01:50:46
But you're talking about a do.
01:50:47
The average is five points a game way the average five points the game way talking about do the average five points a game and you're talking about waste a roster spot e really screaming at the end of the excuse yourself from Nick Fandom for a second right.
01:51:05
And at the end of the day, Frank is a three year player points three.
01:51:14
Be about two assists.
01:51:17
Shoot under 40% from the field, and he's a role player on a team that's 1 20 something.
01:51:24
Game 17 and 21 right? I'm not gonna diss him because it seems like I'm not a distant, but he's not even worth thinking about.
01:51:34
If he's just my pouring a little, too, you go first.
01:51:43
Teddy, always.
01:51:46
We have not playing him right since all the coaches we had.
01:51:51
Okay, he's a defensive.
01:51:52
He's a market smart.
01:51:53
He's not gonna put up the most points.
01:51:56
He's a what? He's a what? You just call him Pichon Smart.
01:52:02
Oh my God, Oh my God, Call me.
01:52:12
Look, the productions out there for three years, I like, I like Frank.
01:52:16
He's more Emmanuel Moody, and I think that I think his core visions underrated.
01:52:19
I know that might sound crazy.
01:52:21
He's the best shooter on the team, is not aggressive enough.
01:52:25
You think he's the best? You're not ordering shooter? Yeah, You're not being a million.
01:52:32
Yeah.
01:52:33
I mean, you're not paying them that money.
01:52:34
To be a guy who can't hit a three efficiently doesn't doesn't provide you anything else.
01:52:38
but defense.
01:52:39
You just can't pay him that.
01:52:41
Yeah.
01:52:42
E championship.
01:52:44
He's a great player or a champion. Okay.
01:52:47
All right.
01:52:48
So, Marcus smart third.
01:52:49
Yeah, he was all in Marcus.
01:53:00
Smart guys say by Marcus Smart is that here's the deal between him and Frank.
01:53:02
Is that from Oklahoma State? Right.
01:53:04
He was a league are uber aggressive, uber fiery, right.
01:53:07
Was never terribly efficient.
01:53:09
But he had that defense.
01:53:10
Now the Celtics allowed to play his game.
01:53:12
But the thing about is that because of that, because of that aggression, right, But the fact that he would try to get to the basket over Great, there was something offensively you could build around.
01:53:23
Obviously, he's still not the most efficient, but he gives You can pass.
01:53:26
He gives you spurts.
01:53:27
Where is like he justifies me on the court.
01:53:29
Frank doesn't give you not even 30 40% of what Marcus Smart tries to dio.
01:53:37
He's not a record like that.
01:53:39
He doesn't push the temple.
01:53:40
Not if he was like I say, Like, who's this guy? I used to be on the ****ing Lakers, and I remember Dr X.
01:53:45
Um yeah.
01:53:46
Frank is Dante Exum.
01:53:48
Hey, don't disrespect Dante's because I don't have good.
01:53:51
Well, he's try to get to the back.
01:53:53
Frank Miller kid just doesn't do it like I get disrespectful.
01:53:57
I'm disrespecting Dante.
01:53:59
Mhm on the way.
01:54:06
Have players on the Knicks that sometimes we do get a little married to, because it's like that's the problem.
01:54:11
That's the problem.
01:54:12
I wait r e I don't feel that way, RJ.
01:54:17
Even though I want a job, a rent.
01:54:19
But I looked the rcmp's like, All right? Yeah.
01:54:21
He's not efficient, But I don't I'm not married in the same way that next year E knocks.
01:54:27
I'm not knocks to go tomorrow. Marry.
01:54:30
Oh, no, no, it's OK.
01:54:36
Hold on, hold on.
01:54:37
How do you kill? Okay, kid had two years, right? He showed spurts, right? But not I would like.
01:54:44
He's not as bad as Frank, but not to me.
01:54:47
There's a lot of projects you have to do just for him to become a e.
01:54:54
I agree with the G m on this one, man.
01:54:55
I'm gonna have to agree with him, E I think I'm gonna pay the kevin knocks the same $4 million a year.
01:55:04
Not that way.
01:55:07
You're still a rookie deal.
01:55:10
Why we worry about that on the other thing, too? And what Jason said.
01:55:15
I mean, really. Matisse table.
01:55:17
What's his table? Is a nobody who is What's his table? My type.
01:55:22
But he's stable just less point per game than Frank uber.
01:55:27
Jason said I was on point with you.
01:55:29
I was a I was feeling Jason until the Matisse type will think, man.
01:55:32
Matisse tithe multiple cultures them right? You know how many coaches you know how many coaches Devin Booker had, right? 556 Devin Booker is a generational talent.
01:55:46
We came to comparative generational talent.
01:55:49
Head of a Frank was drafted drink.
01:55:51
Frank was drafted.
01:55:52
Eight. He was the 13th pick in the dress.
01:55:54
You don't make it right? Yeah.
01:55:56
That draft their teams to draft terror.
01:56:01
Where is he? Waking gas station in the city? No, he? No.
01:56:06
He telling show or something? He worked at my agency.
01:56:08
Anthony Bennett.
01:56:09
We jump with him all the time.
01:56:11
You tell your uncle freezing alone, I'm gonna take me.
01:56:13
Oh, that speaks to that.
01:56:18
Speaks to talent level as prospects you're talking about.
01:56:21
Frank was the was the eighth pick in the draft he was a lottery pick.
01:56:24
Booker was 1/13 pick in the draft, so both grew into losing organizations that had multiple cultures.
01:56:33
One guy turned into a star.
01:56:34
The other guy, we're blaming dog.
01:56:37
That's what I'm saying.
01:56:38
That's what you get a player in basketball and football in football.
01:56:43
You could blame coaches you could blame.
01:56:45
They're not the same Click and hold on ball is such basketball.
01:56:50
It's such a individualized sport that if you're if you are, you can.
01:56:56
You can still produce with thing like, feel like you could produce with bad players around you.
01:57:06
Freaking, moodier, freaking Moody had a decent year with the Knicks, even though that excuses for player and blame because of that guy because of that guy not praying and are not the same talents, right? I'm a close up here and then Frank, they're two different times.
01:57:34
You drive, you get draft two different guards, whatever, literally for different reasons, right? And I agree with you.
01:57:40
Frank is nothing compared to book or just because he got picked.
01:57:43
The Knicks have been making **** decisions.
01:57:46
E don't get that.
01:57:49
I don't get that.
01:57:51
What I'm supposed to I'm supposed to make an excuse for Frank because he's no.
01:57:59
Booker is a no.
01:58:06
He wasn't that. He was a way.
01:58:08
I think they Booker became that he was gonna be that regardless, what would he What was he? What was he drafted? 13, Barely almost out of the lottery.
01:58:21
Because when he was playing for Kentucky, he had all the this'll getting.
01:58:25
Really? Kentucky was loaded.
01:58:29
Yeah.
01:58:30
I want to say something, right, e Just want to say that in a way I believe Frank would have would have had a better career had he had a center that can actually Oh, my God.
01:58:47
Oh, I got I got e U.
01:58:52
Okay, I just want to take a ink pen and just jumped myself in the neck because it was Frankie Latina argument.
01:59:08
I want to keep in perspective off the roster to like your listen.
01:59:12
He's a he's a point guard.
01:59:13
He's supposed to get assist, and he is supposed to get points.
01:59:16
There's a two categories that I'm looking at that I want from a point guard points, assist and efficiency.
01:59:22
That's what three things.
01:59:23
But my whole thing is when you look at Mitchell Robinson, who is not a good who doesn't have a jump shots.
01:59:29
So should we get rid of Mitchell Robinson? So that Frank No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No way.
01:59:35
Talking about graph a Raphael, you say that is it.
01:59:42
Frank never played with Kristaps Porzingis.
01:59:45
You say that is it.
01:59:47
Frank never played with Kristaps Porzingis.
01:59:49
You know, I would trade Frank in the offense because if you're a center and all you could do is alley oop lobs and you can't hear the mid range I'm trading you too.
02:00:00
I will trade you for Wiseman.
02:00:02
That's why would trade Frank and mature Robinson for James Wiseman for somebody who could block and can hear the shot.
02:00:07
So I'm not excusing that, but asked one thing Also, Kevin Ox, That's another one.
02:00:13
I mean, that's You got two players who, um, he can't hit a three.
02:00:18
Can we admit one thing? Yes, please.
02:00:22
Telling you with Frank be a bottle roll.
02:00:28
I don't I don't know.
02:00:31
I don't know.
02:00:32
How about I bet you I bet you I bet you that question would be easier to answer.
02:00:38
And Frank Miller Kina showed any signs of improvement on offense.
02:00:42
e three point percentage were like, Wow, I've been shot blankets cover the most improved player next season, and I don't wanna be Oh, defensive.
02:00:58
Hester's off the bench.
02:01:00
You don't draft them in the lottery.
02:01:01
Those guys you just pick up.
02:01:03
Uh, yeah, those are those guys that you whatever you add to supplement your team, But everybody act like now you got He's thinking about the championship roster that Frank is gonna be on before we have no let him go somewhere and developing.
02:01:25
Whatever.
02:01:26
And then when we had that championship roster cinnamon e trade, the whole so far so far, I agree with everybody could agree with Rick about RJ.
02:01:40
And when it comes to the whole team, there's nobody that roster who is untouchable.
02:01:45
I would trade the whole team.
02:01:47
Okay, well, let me ask you this time, okay? If you answer this if you answer this, I might I might 15 minutes for the Los Angeles Lakers.
02:01:57
Right now.
02:01:59
Right now.
02:02:00
Right now.
02:02:01
Right now, The king that have gotten significant e his averages they don't need.
02:02:12
They don't need a frank on defense with the way they play well.
02:02:15
But he just said He just said Frank would be better on a championship team.
02:02:20
And if Frank can't play for the Lakers, they argument doesn't hold water blanket.
02:02:24
Anthony Davis would be fine.
02:02:26
That could work.
02:02:27
I could see that working anybody in Anthony Davis.
02:02:29
Don't anybody in Anthony You? Yes.
02:02:34
Yokota o e.
02:02:38
A smart player on any team like that, bro.
02:02:42
Graham.
02:02:44
Oh, Grandma.
02:02:45
The argument is the only problem with Frank is that he doesn't have Anthony Davis.
02:02:49
E didn't say that.
02:02:52
He is a good role player, but again, this whole team, I think, entirely is flawed.
02:02:59
All of it.
02:03:00
All of it.
02:03:01
Not just knocks.
02:03:03
R.
02:03:05
J two and Mitchell Robinson.
02:03:07
It's mistake's e.
02:03:15
I don't think the Knicks roster has a starting a roster that I am comfortable with.
02:03:22
I'm not too comfortable with RJ shooting.
02:03:24
I'm not comfortable with Mitchell Robinson like not being ready.
02:03:29
You wanted in the morning.
02:03:34
I gotta I gotta I gotta go.
02:03:35
Hey, man, Make sure you check this out, man and follow everybody.
02:03:40
So when everybody get on, you can jump on with them. Absolutely.
02:03:43
Absolutely.
02:03:44
I love this.
02:03:47
Uh, good luck to you.
02:03:48
Yeah, I'm not that I continue e s so like I was saying, I'm not comfortable with Kevin Knox.
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I'm not comfortable with R.
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When his chute and his jump shot I'm not comfortable.

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