you normally doesn't say Help.
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Oh, that's so you're like a magician.
You're just picking a rabbit out.
They had hoping that these players come here.
What, you guys, both Morgan and esto.
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I want you to listen to my logic here, right? We don't like to do it, but if you're talking about bettering the next to look like a competent team and to help young guys develop this year next year and then having them take the reins after these guys are going so me and areas up here talking about what the news could do by taking contracts and also then assets right, though we propose if I could bring it out.
Horford and Chris Paul together right at positions that we need because again people are not found on Julius Randle.
He's not a person who's gonna help you to a significant as I don't know why people think that Randy is that good.
So if I'm gonna get rid of Jewish landing, the bringing Horford a better a better player, High Q player at the space, the floor that could shoot billion and understanding game? Well, well, better be waiting forever, and I could bring it could bring in a point guard that know how to run off, pick and roll, at least at least a pick and roll.
And to help my other young guys to play in, bring integrity here, bring defense mentality, bring a toughness that's his team desperately needs.
If I bring in those two right, because now when you bring in your foot, we get, we will get this year's Oklahoma City 19th pick and a 2021 1st round pick.
But I'm getting two first round picks bringing out often, right? We want assets, so that's what I'm doing.
I'm collecting that, so I'm bringing it up.
Ah, young player in the draft at 19, and then I have one for next year.
I have another drafted for next year, so I'm good on that.
I could take out for them because again, what are we doing for the next two years? Are we trying to get better, or we're just tryingto get young assets and loose as terrible as possible.
I mean, I get I get the whole, you know, getting ass and stuff like that, but I'll be running like a day care center.
You know, we're getting to two guys that are like gonna be basically watching a guy of security guards or whatever while the kids just running the asylum.
I don't really like that idea.
The next question, if I'm gonna Chris Paul, the Al Horford, they're not here to compete.
You don't think those supplies in here to compete? I mean, they had to compete, but what were they competing for? What? AARP cards or, you know, they're trying to like.
I don't I don't I don't know.
They're trying to get real estate in New York trying to build their career after basketball.
What are they doing for the Knicks, Really? Or C P three developed the young guys, at least both of them.
You better just Yeah, but yeah, but you know, they're gonna be great vets.
And that's what we're gonna need if we're gonna have that young Squire that we have now and we're gonna acquire, you know, pics.
So yeah, I get that.
Yeah, that's and that's really important.
If you look at this because if we're going to stay with this God that we have now, we're gonna be worse than that.
We're not even sniffing the playoffs, that's for sure.
So we're going to, you know, have a basically a losing season again.
So I rather have CP three on the bench than Elfrid Payton.
Well, I don't want ever paid in all But there's a thing like with these guys.
They're gonna be, like, taking up $80 million with the vote of cap.
Yeah, but for, like, the next few years, that's like for the next two years that we're not gonna use the money for anyone because we're not gonna get John it next year, right? And after that, we're gonna be again like a fish.
In a notion, we're gonna have an again, the cap, they're gonna go off, right? Yeah, but it is better to keep the flexibility to like these guys gonna continue signed the just in case, just in case we could We could use it if we already holding up $80 million with salary, and then something comes up.
They were like, Oh, ****.
We just, like, held up $80 million worth of cap.
Now we can't do anything, you know? So, hello.
I feel like we've been doing that the last few years.
Anyway, what are we doing with 80 minutes? $10 in cap for the next two years.
You'll give me a player that is ready to leave and go from all these other teams to come to the next if they're not good, you know, but But we can't be worried about that.
We can't be worried about like, Hey, could you please come save us? Could you please come to the Nixon? They could better please, please, please, please.
We gotta get off of that.
This we've been We've been there already.
Experienced that with Durant, you know, and Kyrie and stuff.
So we can't be like begging for guys.
Could you please play with us right now? We just have to keep doing what we've what we've been doing, you know, just constantly keeping a nice, healthy cap.
And then, um, you know, just hopefully that we get it right, and we were able to pay our own players and young players that are not established.
You're talking about this Knicks roster like we have established players.
I never said that way.
Only have six players, really, because we're going to renounce everybody in the second.
So now I have to build a team.
And if I'm looking at this year's race to see which is straight garbage, you'll give me the next six players that's gonna come here and significantly help these young guys.
You give me six that we could go after and pay $80 million in cap to come play for a sucking next team, compare them, staying with the team that their own already.
Now, if you give me an example of that, then I would gladly listen to what you're saying.
I know, but you know, if we're gonna be developing our our players, you know, in the Senate we have our coaches and coaching staff for that.
You know, we have a front office that has there the ears and eyes to that, and also also to I'm not.
I'm not worried about some other players to come into the Knicks roster to make us into anything.
These guys, we already have professionals on the roster.
These guys got to develop themselves.
You don't need players to develop, develop players ever.
And that's that's why we need that.
Those That's to help them develop.
What e example, right? He made him like he made them with the player.
We I'm pretty sure he wouldn't develop like this.
No, I'm with if you want to get CP three, I want to cry about it either, cause I totally get the whole development stuff because look what he did to Tyson Chandler.
Let me touch Chandler Freaking multi.
You know, 33 digit millionaire.
You know what I'm saying? And then you could just go down the line to everybody.
He made everybody millions of dollars.
If you came to the Knicks, he would make he would make Mitchell Robinson millions of dollars.
He would make you know Julius Randle millions of dollars.
Yeah, you know, but but the thing is okay.
If I go to *** season dozens.
My point guard, Beautiful Dennis Smith.
Anyone on is good because he's not a playmaker.
That's just a storage bar.
He's trash guard, he stressed.
But, I mean, I would rather I'd rather spend 10 $10 million or, like, 7 to 10 on somebody.
Like like Jeff Teague.
If you wanna talk about bringing somebody in, you find me that point guard that can do a significant job at me paying a 10 to 15 because there's no one out.
There are only what you think about your Roger Rondo.
But Rhonda is not gonna come here e starting point guard to me.
He comes off the bench, he comes off the bench.
But Mark, he could He could come off the bench for us.
If it's like, you know, Frank starting right, he could mentor him from off the bench and and still share, like 2020 right? 20 minutes, 20 minutes here.
But, you know, I'm pretty sure round is not even thinking about the next.
But it's a point.
God, the way you want to be a point.
Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, that he could be off the bench guy.
Not no major minutes and stuff like that.
He worked with things already and is in you know in Boston and stuff like that.
But I don't think he's gonna even considering defeat the purpose off helping guys that need assistance.
When you have a high level point guard, Frank will get open more like everyone's looking open more.
So that's That's the thing that I'm talking about way.
Is this like a shelter or something, like for like for like, people that are crippled or something we need.
Like like, um, toe hire nurses, AIDS and stuff like that to get these guys to do whatever.
I mean, they're professional basketball players.
If these guys wanna wanna learn how to do, they got to do this work on their own.
They can't let this one player.
I can't do anything until we get Chris Paul or not.
We got Chris Paul, So now these guys are gonna be good.
Now they're gonna learn something.
I mean way, let's say, because I mean, you make it seem like like we got to get like like we could get Chris Paul and that's the only way a place that he's going.
He's coming to the next up to the next to get Chris Paul.
He still has to be a trade to be made.
So if he doesn't, if he doesn't get here because we can't make a trade that works.
Then what about I'm talking about the trade that can possibly I'm speaking about what can happen.
Yeah, happened doesn't happen, But don't expect friend to be some next level guard.
I don't like Frank at all, man.
I already got so many podcasts talking about that already.
So now your friend, you're hoping that some way that za thing, um, Dennis finfish trash to you know what I'm saying? Wait in a bad spot.
I'm not saying anybody is good, you know, we're in a bad spot.
We have to get We do have to get better.
But I just don't like the notion of that.
We have to get Chris Paul to teach these guys.
It just It just makes us look weak.
In my opinion, he needs order.
This team needs a guy on the court that command, because at the end of the day, you can have a coach.
But if you don't have a guard or someone that that is well, well versed in what they can do to help a team get better.
It's going to be a problem e with.
Even with good culture, because still look like a next team that loses fourth quarters or team plays half court that needs to run because you have young players.
It could look the same, and I'm trying to get away from that.
So if I could bring in someone that could give order on the court, who I feel comfortable, that could run.
Ah, pick and roll police, at least.
But what about Jeff Teague? I mentioned Jeff.
What do you think about him? I don't know Why? Why? Is not making a lot better.
I mean, he's also not making 40 something million either.
I don't care about my cat, because guess what? I'm not doing nothing for the next two years.
What does the two years come from though? This is two years come from because we have a two year window to get good for us to even consider a free agent coming here.
What? Why is that what I'm trying to figure out? Why is there there there two year window? Because I e I have Chris Paul for two years and I think he could make us better to you.
Look, another thing that you have toe take into consideration, you don't understand or all the consequences off.
You know, assed faras.
You know, the economics involved in basketball with Kobe.
So we don't know all these small, small market teams where they're gonna be at, You know, I'm saying a year from now, two years from now, we don't understand exactly what's gonna go on.
So you know e o with you, I'm a big time.
Something happens because you're trying t o trying to trying to save money.
You're trying to save money for players.
That what do you even come by himself? That's just fat.
No, we just saving money, just just to be be, have it available just in case something.
What's that happen? Not that we're not saving it for a specific player or anything.
We just We just have the money just in case, because I mean, like my Ernie Ernie was trying to make a point.
Anyone trying to make a point? It was His point is, that is that they were in cove it we don't know what's gonna happen with the cap.
We don't know if they might even lock out the season after this.
After all is said and done, you know, I'm saying because the money has to be made, so money is not being made.
But then we tied up the cat for 80 million.
We look like a bunch of way look crazy.
You know, we look crazy that I'm taking all that, Captain, if the Knicks was because the Knicks talk about taking bad contracts back, right, if everybody first Paul, do you know, they would have spent the middle $80 million on bad contracts anyway and get assets the same thing that I'm speaking on.
But I'm getting better because I'm also getting valuable assets at the same time, Mark.
Like I said, the only way I'm doing Look, they have they have a ****ing bunch.
Obviously, if they're not sending pics over, we're not taking Chris Paul.
Bottom line. That's it.
You don't you don't send the pitch.
You find another team. E.
Don't get Chris. Paul. I'm keeping Bobby portion.
Whatever you go on the next season to help me with.
No, but we're not keeping Christmas.
I mean, Bob reporters Why reporters has gone.
We waving all these guys? Well, all those guys gone, man.
And he did me a favor.
Just do me a favor, right? Really? Off 2020.
Free agency pool, please.
Because this team has to get good some way.
We have to add players to actually be good for this team.
We're all for me because I e.
I want positive do way.
All have the same resource is man, so I could pull out stuff to you.
And he's not the only one way.
I understand there's no stars out there in this creation, see, But there's a lot of players that that could be third team options.
Maybe second team options.
You know what? You have to start somewhere.
You have to start somewhere.
You don't have to start by giving you traded for free.
Yeah, Andy, would you bring me into man? What e told you.
This is a discussion, bro. It's an argument.
I'm trying to get organized. I'm trying.
I'm trying to make sure the Knicks could look good.
If the Knicks are saying to us, as stands, I am looking to take bad contracts.
That means it could be a bad player.
See, at least have to send same road.
But I need something. Thio.
Listen, Chris Paul is better than any Fidel Casey difference.
I put the player.
He's more valuable.
Hey is valuable, but the guys making 40 plus million dollars a year.
So, like once you get a guy that just making that much money, then what do we have to put around? We're just gonna have a bunch of bums around him, but because we have bombs on the team, we have a bunch of bums.
And he didn't listen to my construction of the sea because reconstruct it to a point where we looked very viable, that we could do things.
So we acquired Chris.
Paul takes on 48 cats.
We go trade for our whole, for Al.
Horford gives two first round picks this year's 1920 21.
Yeah, that's that's 80 bread, that's that's the whole cap right there.
Oh, listen to what I'm saying.
Listen to what I'm saying and then you understand where I'm coming from.
Eso e markets My favorite guy on here, man.
My favorite favorite dude.
So your logic is over the last two years.
Oh, yeah, Horford got the worst contract in the NBA, a thing whose that what we owe for and in the third year is guaranteed $40 million.
Not a bad contract with the type of player years.
If I have Chris Paul and two first round picks for this year and next year, I got a first round picks I got to do.
It just came to me.
I got an idea about Horford.
We take Horford Paris, but they have to give us pensioners.
Oh, baby, I can't think this.
They don't want. They want to make the trade.
They want to get rid of those contracts.
You know what I'm saying? They get rid of hard, right? If I'm giving this year 19 pick in this first round draft and there's plenty of players and I think that could take as young players and help, we're getting asset back.
We're getting a high caliber powerful that can't huge spread the floor.
That is a high I Q play to help guys like Mr Robinson help guys like RJ help guys like not some Frankie Latino.
So my value that that that's a high value for this next team and these young players that help them.
Roundup. Horse, period.
If I'm getting this year's 19 way need if we need to help the players on the court so bad, we should just get them life alert or something that's a little bit more cheaper a month, then happened to spend 40 something million just like I have kids.
And I don't mean to the woods e mhm.
So no, they need assistance.
Yes, Yes, they do, because their games don't know how you Irving and Kevin Durant that could figure it out for themselves.
We have players that need complementary.
They need someone to to guide them toe, help them be better.
They need someone to hold on.
Yeah, way need to need to get him.
What? Think of your favorite soul singer.
If I had Kevin Durant a rookie, it would be a different story because I know that he can he can He can go into the sea and swim by himself.
These guys we got the only one I feel a little confident is Argent.
He's gonna be who he's gonna be.
The other three, the Kevin Knox he needs.
That dude needs a bit todo you need a bit.
So if I get going, get shots toe, help him run the floor, then the easy points.
If I need a point guard to help friend get corner threes so you don't have cause since you don't like running, pick and roll.
I got a guard that could run a pick One of the best pick and roll plays and the history Thank you very much.
That's gonna open up.
That's gonna open up.
That's a guy that could draw double teams we don't have now.
One guy that could draw double teams.
Not one, not one.
Not so now If I get Chris Paul, he's valuable to me in so many ways because I didn't really give up nothing but Dennis Smith and debt contracts so I could care less.
I got me an all star caliber player, so to help my team, so I trade for our Horford happened for two years.
The last year it's he's guaranteed $14 million.
I could even trade.
I could even trade him that 30.
You have to think like that, and I get, uh, I get a this year's 19th overall pick.
I could even depends on who you want.
I like Tyrell Terry.
Some people like Karen Lewis he could he could before he could fall.
Is that as much as they talk about him, he could phones that I could get me a Desmond day.
I could take me JD McDonald's.
I could take the Jaylin Smith.
I could take all these young guys that I've been having.
I've been having.
I've been having all Hey b o mark, Mark, Mark.
Not to mention that that whole Ford would would fit tips.
This offense Azaz, no high post passer and stuff like that.
He would figure better than Randall, for sure.
Hey, would definitely I like players that could think on the floor, and Randall is not that thing for me.
So I get two first round picks, 19 and 2021 1st round pick.
Now, when I do those two nails, I can also still do another deal with Minnesota.
I take on James Johnson contract for one year and get the 17th pick in the draft.
So I will have 17th, 1926 38 24 12 picks and one third and one sitting around.
I got better and I got I got better on the floor as starting five.
Okay, along with them.
Why wouldn't you do that? Compared Toa What without? On this floor right now.
And it's always for two years.
Because this year, way taking offered, they got the same type. Pull over.
I take table by table way.
I would love that instead of But that will be instead of the one page right? You know what? We'll give them lot.
We'll take Bible and we'll give them not No kidding.
I e I do it, Morgan.
E love them, but they're not getting.
Everybody wants them.
They're not giving away our homes contract.
We get them dead salary and they give us our and those two round picks.
And I got a better for men that shoot, pass and dribble.
That helps Mitch toe actually be a defender.
The defender and he could play all I all I know.
All I know is that Sam Presti.
That dude is a gambler.
So you don't know what you can pull You like that? Yeah.
He's like the white Isaiah Thomas.
Yeah, that's he Also he also again, What happened is that he has a You have He has to shut Cat.
If none of these contending teams are gonna trade for Chris Paul, it benefits the Knicks.
Because now, look, listen where we could give them what we can give them what they needed to shut cat.
They just want to check out all the next would have to get back is $33 million cap.
We take on the crisp contract, right, We get out.
That's my point guard.
I look, obviously, the Knicks need to look into being a third team option to make you know a contract way off course.
Wanna talk about contracts? At least I'm going.
I'm looking around and I'm getting players that are high level players that can help these young guys play and help the next team.
When third quarter win, fourth quarter.
And I'm also getting three first round picks, one in 71 in the 17th area.
I could either take Saudi Bay another, another wink or God at the defending Super Bowl.
E could get this man and I still keep red.
I could start him at the two of the shooting off playing with Chris.
Paul had already three have Horford and Mitch.
That's a bit of started five than me going in with Julius Randle and Rich people like I'd rather have often because he's a little smarter and you know how to play defense position. Italy.
That would help the guy.
So if I'm getting three first round picks, I did my job collecting assets and I got high level town to play with the guys so they won't look like what they had cut off for two years.
Because this year this year, if we kept the same roster going into next year, we could be losing games.
We could be losing games, so I have them for 2021 2022.
You have quit school for two years, two years when we would have spent that money anyway because if you're looking for Rudy Gobert to come here for $180 I am not paying them that to be a to be a center. That team score.
Sorry, it ain't happening, Ali Bill.
But the same school said that which has co violent and Paul George.
And coming to the next, you all had the opportunity waiting Goldberg the next opportunity to do the same thing Brooklyn is about to do into adding a third storm.
We're gonna pay Kyrie and Kevin Durant and all.
We're gonna pay Tyree Kevin Durant their money, right? And then if there was a third star that we had, we had assets.
The trick. I think that's cool, Drama.
The best combination.
And but that's that's to do what? I had to come.
I'm gonna tell you this the injury messed it up, But then again, we should have considered that kyrie first because he is the one that was the driving force for that.
That for that the happens to Brooklyn.
But then again, Kevin Durant just don't like the media.
But Carly already said that he'd never wanted to go to the next.
Anyway, he wanted to go to New Jersey because he was always in New Jersey fan, because guess what? a Knicks fan.
I should say they will be heavily more protective enemy.
So now you're talking about waiting for a player to come out there, come out and say You want to play for the next? It's gonna leave their teeth.
Oh, no, I'm not.
Hello, The only person if it don't work out next year I've been saying this for that from the start of the season reading books.
And if Devin Booker is available, the Knicks would have to give R.
J. Barrett and picks to get him.
That would happen.
That would happen.
That's probably they would ask for. Absolutely.
The house you're talking about a 25 all star guard.
They're gonna ask foot.
They're gonna ask for the best player on the team.
As of right now.
R. J. Barrett and picks.
So regards of the situation we wouldn't have to give up if we're looking.
If we're looking toe acquire that surplus player, RJ will be number one to go.
Not not not friends.
RJ will be gone.
So I'm thinking of another way toe help RJ develop because again it's like the same thing with the poison is when we have poisonous those three years.
I was glad that Melo was here because he had time to develop every year he got better.
E don't know about you guys, but the way I'm feeling is this is this is Frank's not RJ Dotson.
This is all their first year in the n b A e getting really approaches.
That sounds like 27 years old.
That sounds like 20 seven years old.
E get from a good team.
And I think because with him, he absolutely should.
Man, he needs to get that I'm expecting.
I'm expecting to see significant improvement from all these.
Yeah, Yeah, trash coaching here.
Yeah, starting with if you could just single out Fizdale man. Mr.
Afro Happy trees.
You don't even bring them up.
You talk about it.
You could talk about his wife, but don't talk about this.
His wife is smoking.
His wife is smoking a little respect.
All the respect, a little respect, all the respect.
Just imagine if if Lemelle oh, falls right just because it is a possibility If he was, if we was able to get the mellow eight so we bring in Lamela's I have me Chris Paul, who isn't better to mentor Lamela's because a lot of people are worried about could Lemelle.
Oh, because the mellow run run run to New York next.
Listen, if I have Chris Paul here, you will have plenty of time to become smarter, more wise on the floor.
Thio that Bennett's shot selection on the floor instead of just having them with his head cut off coming to the Nixon plane like that? Yeah, I was arguing with somebody on Twitter a little bit earlier, man.
They were talking about just the development stuff like that.
But no, it was actually on YouTube.
Like when? When did that become a thing where we need somebody to develop another person? Before we were like, guards were just good and they just played.
Now we have thio way.
We need to have somebody to to teach them how to play and to mentor him.
They're gonna be really good in, like in, like, 17 years.
Once, once they finally developed to the player, they're gonna be like, When did that become a thing? I just thought I just want to get that.
But that's always that's all that's always been thinking.
Not to this degree, not who's Alexander's career.
You know, jump start.
That's why that's why CP three has that in his resume, bro.
That was, you know, if that even that last year.
Just last year ago.
Yeah, the last year he did.
Well, hey, has a history of big and people up, but I mean, like, you know, just just just the culture of, like, you know, development players.
So the Knicks did a bad job developing this guy.
Well, maybe these guys aren't good.
Maybe they just aren't good players, you know? Listen, it's like this.
They might not be good, but if I could get a chance at bringing a player that can help them be good to make them be serviceable, I'm going to do it 100 times, because again, they are our asset.
We lose that, uh, look by me often the games by me, just simply watching the games.
I can tell these guys are not being properly developed.
Just there's a seriously different office for three years.
Yeah, but at a certain point, these guys have grown people.
They have to be able to thio.
If you want something, you got to go get it.
You can't like you.
Could you teach me how to get it? Oh, I can't get it because he didn't teach me.
You know, I'm be honest.
Do you think Russell Rusman will be go if Kevin Durant was on that team? I mean, what are you talking about? Exactly? That somebody who he could he could rely on.
These guys need any young player needs someone to rely on unless you're lebron s.
So you're saying you're saying that Russell Westbrook wouldn't be good if he wasn't playing with Durant in the beginning? No, Because that team wouldn't be as good as there was with Kevin Durant.
That so? So Russell Westbrook says your credit on Durant for his whole career.
No, no. Yeah, because Kevin Durant What? Oklahoma.
And what Seattle.
He was the guy when Kevin Durant.
When Kevin Durant arrived, he was that guy.
He was the guy to take that team where they have gotten.
So Okay, So you're Ewing Ewing? Ewing was in the playoffs for, like, what, 13 seasons or whatever.
All right, who was the guy that that taught you how to play to make him a 50 58th grader.
When they know the difference is the difference.
Widow? Yeah, The differences. The differences.
Look what Katie was picked.
Like what? One or two.
Right? Ewing was one.
It was one Westbrook.
I don't know, 13.
Whatever right Westbrook was for because Sam Presti wanted him.
He wasn't gonna go that head.
And he would be picked, like around 10, even.
Maybe he was not.
His projected was not four.
Yeah, that trusty cooking.
Everybody talks about it.
And you watch Russell in college.
He wasn't no top top five projected player. No, he was not.
I think I think that that but here with them that you're saying? Yeah, because I mean, rest book Westbrook is gonna go down.
Maybe if if he was a stressed the 50 greatest Plato 100 he's gonna be in the 100 greatest players of all time.
And you're gonna credit his whole career on just because Durant, I don't get that days Hold.
No, I didn't say that, but for him to develop into the player is he had a buffer zone.
He had Kevin Durant toe. Help him develop.
That's what I'm saying.
He had another superior player, that someone was better than him to help him develop where he didn't have toe where he didn't have toe open shot because Kevin Durant was drawing double teams to get open shot.
That's the problem here with the Knicks.
We don't. But here's here's another.
Another thing, too. Okay, like Chris, Paul is the main guy.
We wanna get Chris Paul to teach these guys, but we like you know, Chris L for pain is not Chris Paul.
Some of these other veterans, that with regard on Chris Paul you what's What's the other guy? Uh, the guy there that that guy from from Minnesota, Taj Gibson, He's not.
You know he's not.
No, you know, no world breaker, either.
But these guys are older players that helped the younger guys developed.
So I mean, like, if these guys are so good, how come they can't? They can't get to the point where they're better than than the Alfa Peyton.
They need Chris Paul to be there in order to show them to be there to be that player.
I just I just don't offer paying.
That didn't leave for eight years.
So you can't do that toe 43 years, two years. Young players.
That's the point of it.
So if I get someone that can help them get open shots, help them learn to get help them learn where to be all defense.
I'm going through 100% you know.
You know how you get these guys open shots, You work with them In practice, you get all the open shots that you need.
Do you? Last year, shoulder there was no double team on this team.
The Knicks could not get open shots.
Just look, look at New York last year.
Yeah, but they're terrible points.
We couldn't get easy points.
We couldn't get fastbreaks.
These are all statistics that you can look up.
The Knicks was bottom dirt in offense.
Yeah, they're terrible.
So now if I could get someone like can create offense that's going to help the Knicks get better in the office.
The Knicks are terrible.
We get that next. Badly.
It's so bad, you know? But now we got we got we got on Chris Paul because he is so good.
Now we have one guy that's so good and a whole bunch of bad guys.
Guess what? We're still gonna be very bad.
You know what I'm saying? So I just I just don't I just don't get the throughout.
Listen, listen, I get I get your argument, but I just don't get the mentality of the whole thing, You know? I just don't get it.
Just can't put a whole roster that can help the next get good.
I have Horford on my team.
I have read your booth.
See, without without Chris, Paul is still a pretty good team.
They have some good players on it.
Thought better than the Knicks.
I mean, I mean, they're better than the Knicks. Absolutely.
They're better than the Knicks.
The Knicks were terrible.
They better be for 86 years.
Right? So that s so that that's the difference.
If you bring a Chris Paul to O. K. C.
Is gonna make those plays better cause those players already good. They got Gallinari.
You got a whole bunch of guys on it.
Um, the other kid, that German kids, you know, we don't have a play like that.
And I just gave you a roster where it's the same thing with Okay, See that? They just filled in veterans around their young players. I just did that.
I just let me know.
You just You just had a Chris, Paul and Horford.
We can't get all those guys and still keep Reggie Bullock.
I mean, we already ate up all the cap get way, went through it, we could we could do it.
I mean, you're talking.
You're talking about scraping the getting the scraping, scraping the bottom of the barrel to trying to get pennies together, man.
Yeah, but what? We could do it.
So the next question give me a roster.
Who would you prefer? Tohave? Who would you prefer to have one? It seemed thio look decent enough, because if you just think that these young players gonna gonna miraculously run this team and look look like an NBA team without help.
You got some E? I mean I mean, you have to you have to take it. Take it down.
Take it down a notch.
Like we're gonna waive all these guys.
Right? Right now, we only have maybe, like, six players on the contract these six years, Our trash.
What I'm saying I'm not thinking like, you know, we're going to get these three guys, and then we're gonna be good.
You know, I'm thinking that we're gonna get whoever we're gonna get and we're still gonna be trashed.
You know, I'm saying that since that we want we're gonna be more professional because of Tom Thibodeau and whatever minus the Horford minus the J minus two.
Chris, Paul, give me three players that we can add to this team.
Give me Give me three free agency that we can pull from 2020 to help this team to be better than me adding these three better players than anyone in this draft class in this draft class, we could pluck to help this team.
You give me that, then then do we have arguments? Well, you got to play the game of all the of the off season.
You don't know who wants to sign where you just have to inquire or whatever.
If You know who you want to sign? Give me the top free agents of this pool running down toe E.
I'm looking at it right now.
You don't have to ask Andy to do it.
I could look at it right now.
Listen, Anthony Davis is not coming here.
You're talking about Brandon Ingram is a restricted free agent.
He's ah, he's ah, player that's available.
Uh, Rosen has a player option.
Um, Montreal's Harold.
He's a free agent.
Uh, Andre Drummond is a player option.
Gallinari is the free agent.
Mike Conley has a player option.
You know, uh, Davis, you know Davis Burton's You know, I'm saying a bunch of different guys.
That's what I'm saying.
If you if you go down the sisters, there isn't anybody thio pick.
But I mean, so I'm going to risk not making deals and risk that these other players gonna come here and play and not resign my to make trades in the deal That could benefit off.
I think making the playoffs or whatever, right? He's like, we're gonna be a little bit better, more reliable.
So next season may be something we can pull out the trade or get someone he's not.
He didn't say Even we're gonna make the playoffs.
If we don't have anyone, we're gonna be like top three again.
In the large I get, I get it.
Okay, let's let's let's Okay, let's say let's say we get on Chris, Paul, Chris, Paul and Horford.
I won't be upset about it, you know, I'm saying, but we're not gonna let you talk about making trade.
What trade? We can't make any trades.
If if two guys are clogging up the whole camp, who are we trading? We're gonna trade our draft picks that we just picked up.
We're just gonna have draft picks to trade.
It's not gonna be anybody else.
Listen, if I do not sign, if if I let everyone go right, if I let everyone go on free agency, right, I would have that money there.
Right? So now we're looking at the free agent pool, so I have to bet on whoever you want to complain with that team to complain with that team or else if these guys don't come play with the scene where all this money that I have.
I'm going to be doing what I did last year and just signing players to come and play that point.
You have? Yeah, that's what's gonna happen.
So again, I locked out last year, right? You don't say something.
What makes you think is Kyrie and K d didn't want to come to the days.
What makes you think the other players has been in the league that's been on good teams? Want to come here and play? Yeah, but I'm not saying that they're coming here, though.
This guy's gonna come way, we're gonna give her money and he's gonna come here.
We gotta get sky to I never said I'm not that type of guy.
So now this is where the Knicks have the edge.
And this is why Why? It makes sense for the next to do what I what? I am applying what I'm applying.
I'm cool with that too, but we're gonna be stuck in the same and the same thing for, like, the next two seasons.
So we get these contracts off.
Listen, I will be a better team than other ****ing from the hat to go into next year again and then the next.
Don't look good and they don't fit and they'll blame Tom Thibodeau for I'm not doing that again.
But that's what's gonna happen regardless.
If you get Chris, Paul or whoever, we're still gonna be that that thing you got your expectations is crazy because they are we gonna make the playoffs or not.
I mean, you gotta take it back.
We're not making the playoffs off.
Anybody will get.
We're not making the playoffs.
Yeah, we're not making the playoffs.
So it's like if you make these moves, it's not gonna make us.
What is it making us? You know what players listen.
I give players and not help because these players are all star caliber players.
These players play better than those players.
These players, these players.
Career has been better than these players.
These players know how to play the game better than these players.
That's why they're who they are in the league, right.
I think it's those players to surround my young guys that need help that need assistance, toe play, their style of game.
I'm going to do it because I know, I know we're basically saying the same thing, but it just I don't know.
I don't actually care for Chris.
Paul and health, because of because of the country, were basically saying the same thing.
We could be going to end up getting vets to bring guys in to help.
Help, help expedite this whole development.
One thing you know, you're saying the same thing.
I'm gonna tell you why we're not seeing the same thing, because I don't I'm not adamant about Chris, Paul and Horford.
Listen, No, You're hoping that whatever in this free agent that the Knicks consign other than taking Chris Paul horse, let's say that I adamantly said that I don't think we're gonna sign anybody because we suck. They're terrible.
Nobody's coming here.
Okay, so now if I could do V a trade on track and I can I can get acid for these two players.
It benefits the Knicks in every way.
Because now I get valuable assets and picks E no, but But, like, I already already agree with you, though already agreed to Yes, yes, but if you're talking about, like, going on for the next two years and we're gonna make another trade.
What trade? We can't make the trade.
We got a bunch of guys on rookie contracts.
Yeah, but imagine just Just imagine if we get for example, CP three is here, right? He's gonna make Mitch look like DeAndre Jordan, right? We can trade that, Mitch and get, like, two pieces or, you know, drafted or whatever.
We're gonna trade these guys that that CP three is gonna put up, you know, on the pedestal.
But trading for who they traded for, like another draft pick, and then we just do it again.
But no, Not only for that, maybe someone's gonna fit us better, right? Or whatever, or someone's gonna be hungry for that player.
Still, Mitch, Mitch has an extension for next year for next year at $55 million for four years.
I would do that just because that's a tradable contract and I have for you right away.
I gotta say about benches.
I've seen that could do things on the defensive for he's a with basketball.
I've seen I've been watching basketball for 30 years.
I've never seen some of the things makes example some of the things that makes is able to do.
I've never seen other things.
I agree, but it is a It is a word like a like a I'm not broke.
We haven't seen yet.
Defensively Mentors the beast.
You're not going anywhere, in my opinion, I know, but they do.
You sign this guy toe a whole bunch of money, just just for the just for the hope that he's gonna be like some guy or whatever, you know? And I'm not signing now I'm talking about some of that's coming.
You're rather you wanna rather to sign it for 70 million other than 55 for four years? But I can.
Tradable contract 55.
I mean, this that's not even some 18 per.
Some people you try could be 15.
Plus, you know, if we support comes here, he's gonna be he's gonna make make Mitchell Robertson look like Tyson Chandler.
You know what I'm saying? So do you Do you blow this guy up and give him all this money and then say, Oh, by the way, we're gonna trade you in, like, two years to get, see if you get another asset, you know what I'm saying? Like it's, like, bugged out.
It's kind of like it e hope, you know, keep hope alive.
You know, if you give me someone that we're going to pay in the next two years, then a different story I don't know who wants to come to the next other than the place that we can get and the ones that we have.
So you want to start, player? I'm sorry, Larry.
He's let me see what you got to say.
Look, another thing I want to point out is that off Mr Brock Ali wasn't brought to the next one over.
So the Knicks are gonna be looking into keeping a lot of players that they see it's there are their culture and that they own their bird bites, too.
They're gonna want to keep those plays around because what they're gonna be able to do with free agency once they turn over these contracts, And once we could go over the captain to resign players to, you know, to free up capital way could do a lot of things.
Let me tell you a lot of things that that's what Golden State thing You don't say They.
I mean, obviously, they drafted Curry and they drafted.
Thompson not basically turned their franchise e exactly a player.
But if I could get someone that could help him help him become that player, I'm going to do that 100 times.
So instead of letting him go out there by himself, do need assistance right now because he's not.
Yeah, but all I'm saying, if you're a player that you can have you if you're a player who have who have the potential to be, Ah, significant, significant, significant piece on a championship team and you're on and you a real the burger provides to you.
The Knicks are gonna be looking to keeping those type of players like that, you know that? What's that? All the young ones? Yeah, exactly.
So we're gonna be looking at to keep these kids so we can you know what? What? So what? Once they hit free agency again once they signed their extensions, we could do a lot of we could do way.
Could be really creative when it comes to, you know, free agency and cap space and all that ****.
Tradition of the year off, Finding a way toe.
Learn how to win games.
I have never said that this team, even with Chris Paul, is going to the 12.
But with this team with Chris Paul, how often we are competing, we are looking better than last year.
Okay, we're looking like way run A decent offense compared to if I kept the rocks for the same way.
Okay, so now I'm with you.
Yeah, I'm totally with you if you get those players.
So they sent a with it.
I'm not against it either. I'm just against the mob mentality.
So now, in the second year, those contracts Chris Paul contract will come off the books.
How often would have one more year, but the next year? Next year gets 14. Get guaranteed.
I'd always trade that.
I can always trade that, depending on how, how, how, how it's going.
I can trade that.
So I'm not too worried about Horford.
Especially if I got back.
Ah, first round 19 in the first round, 2020 21 inches drop.
I collected asset.
I collected young players and acid, some of that next one a d o e Gotta gotta walk this.
Cool, man. Cool.
Next, or you get No, Come in.
You know what I wanna ask, though, Like Like, if we If we don't trade for Chris pocus, because whatever.
It doesn't work out.
What way, Chris? But hey, are you guys got to still be here? You never know.
You never know these guys, bebe for 7, 12, 14 hours and stuff.
All right, just leave the camera on.
I'll leave the camera on.
If you guys are on the back, not just meet yourself, man.
Just in case in any extracurricular activities going on back there Looking good, looking good on this team off looking good, right? It's two years.
I have two years or two year window for this team to be at least decently respectable.
And the only way that can happen if, if I could get high level players at his position, is that we are desperately crying for the four spot.
Okay, but Alright, cool, cool, Cool.
But let's let's talk about somebody else.
Let's talk about somebody else other than CP three and Horford.
Three point guard because the front range everything he's getting four years, $80 million.
That is his market right now.
Yeah, you called them? Are you going to give a what? Really? So Toronto getting he's gonna get money, somebody's money, not per year.
But I mean, like, you know, divided by whatever.
How many? I'm sorry, I'm he's not gonna get a deal of 80 million for four years with Like, uh, he's gonna get, you're gonna see he's gonna get it.
That's like his market.
The market for a player of his caliber.
You gotta look at this.
The sound of Bob Barker that could give him that could give him a one year deal with 20 million on it.
Because of what happens at where is the point guard? Where is the point all week? Just think about you have to look at it friendly and bleep.
It said the only point guard.
So at this time, because he delivered the championship and he played on the high level.
That's where his that's where his That's where his salary is kept that now and it's a free agency.
He's gonna look, he's looking for years.
He's looking for three plus years, bro.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But But what I'm trying to say is that given that what the cat is gonna be able with 90 no e ones, you know, I'm sorry.
One day, nine got the cab going at 109.
Emma has lost a lot of money.
I mean, I just I'm trying to think of a team because it's not gonna be Toronto giving money.
Detroit's one team that has Detroit has Killian Hayes, and possible and more mellow come.
Why would they spend money on a guy like reverently, who's who's undersized off guard? Just just let him spend the money, bro.
Don't e I always talking about this from a logical standpoint? If you want to be coming up to give him the money as well, it's not the Knicks.
I don't give a ****, but I'll be staying with a lot of give him playing like for gambling, and it always happen like it's the dumbest N B double King.
To give a play reverently cannot play with another guard who's uber aggressive, like cholera.
E would never pay, and if we could be my point cover never.
I know someone talking about it is not giving.
But Senator Simpson was saying, Oh, you know, he's a He's a player with a championship pedigree on.
I'm like some, but he's playing in the perfect system for him.
He doesn't have to be a hey does have a contender.
What happened to count? What about that one playoff game? What happened? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because anything you paid, you know, And that's that was good, bro.
Yeah, I'm shot of him.
I actually like the Oh, my God, Mark, you gotta repeat this.
So man way my diarrhea.
So So that you know who you're willing.
It's not about more willing to is like, Who's here? Who's there? Yeah, well, you have to pay right now.
Oh, I'll get it to you. All right, now.
Well, you got d j. Augustine.
You've got Jeff Teague.
Jeff Teague. I like Jeff Teague.
Turn off your Reggie Jackson's a cancer.
You know, this is terrible.
You got you got Jefty Goran Dragic, Brandon Knight, Jordan Park.
Good off the bench.
But he's more like a yeah.
Matthew DellaVedova federative Lee d j.
Orbison, Darin Fox.
I believe that's a restricted right? Yeah.
Yeah, they got They got option on him. Chris.
Done. Yogi Farrell.
Rage on Rondo round.
Always the best.
A Shabazz Napier mega moodier Dozier Wanamaker.
I'm only person I'm thinking of.
And that's only if he doesn't want to be with that team anymore.
Is Rondo because I probably do it, but they somehow pull a CP three.
I doubt they'll do it.
I know. Stays on that team, man.
****. What else? Nothing else. Approved.
Let me give you a scenario.
You don't have to accept it or not, But just think of Just think of the logic and just think about how good the next, how decent they could be next year.
I'm not talking about them going to the playoffs.
I'm just talking about looking like a team that not running MBA offense that can play defense here and there.
That help the kids.
So the Knicks, right.
The Knicks had the opportunity to get Chris Paul for less than night.
Right? So did you election a legend, right? Depending depending on if other teams do not trade for him safety mixes the Onley team out there left.
Now there's other teams out there bidding for him than the Knicks would have to give up assets.
That's different if the Knicks ain't the only team out there is the teeth.
Nick is the only team out there.
The next they have to play.
They have to play in our volcanic Knicks.
Don't have the budget next door.
Remember, Nick's don't have to do nothing.
They all do nothing.
So you have to look at this.
Yeah, so me and Andy come up with I trade for Chris.
Paul, right? Mhm.
Wanna move your foot? So there's a trade out Philly for this year's 19th pick and 2021 1st round pick are bringing Horford at the floor.
This means to this rental contract will be gone.
Pay it and Ellington.
Those four contracts will be gone because the dead cat horse foot have a to have a two year have a two year where you pay of that money, but it goes down like the later years go down.
But the third year he's guaranteeing $14 million so I could see the trade that or wave.
Um, so it was still better than its for two years.
So about this year 2022 it's at a high level.
I've been hoping that know how to space the floor and know how toe step fixed, Shoot the ball, shoot pool and try on a better than a.
If Horford gives me a glimpse of what the oh, last year I'm not.
I'm fine with taking on a track.
You say you gonna give me to wait 21? Chosen your mark? Mark, You said they're gonna give me what again? The You said you'd give me 90 picnics.
This is Ross, 19 in this year's draft in a first round in 2021 or 2022.
So I'm being too assets taking a high I Q player with versatility at the four, replacing them with random.
And I have a Chris Paul again.
We could also do the James Johnson.
We can also do James Johnson and the 17th pick in this year's draft for expiring contracts.
Don't you think they look like a decent team? Apparel? So you give me hope for the two picks E j for it that I've been counting.
I'm counting your draft pick at it.
Right, Because you don't you don't mention you drop, you drop the shooting.
Will you drop it? Could be Lemelle.
Oh, God willing, God willing.
It was not a mellow because, you know, if it's not mellow, it's not balls that are coming over.
Mark, what do you take, Lamell? Because I think that stuff e I think this is taking a mellow.
I probably trade down.
I probably down to get even more assets.
I'm not okay with it.
E could pick up power loose at 14.
Bring him here, having played under Chris Paul, and get get to get to more role players, you know, in the back of the scrap troughs and back of the scratch off you Look at it.
There's a are the number the for gambling.
You should call the number because like you have, like, a gambling problem.
Man, You wanna You wanna trade this guy for this? This kind of thing? Trade everybody trying, You know, it's like there's a number for that thing.
This is not to be trading thing that I agree but I agree.
But you just, you know, you just mark being Mark.
But Mark, Mark, this is not the draft to be trading down a lot to like to get a lot of picks, that world.
You have to pick talent in this draft because there's a dearth of it.
Like next year's draft might be a little bit different, but this year's draft is not have to be experiments with mad picks.
Uh, you know, I just don't see what the players man like we're gonna get after that.
I mean, you got a guy like Isaiah Joe who came who's coming from Arkansas, who in normal drafts might be late second round.
He might be taken in a freaking Maybe they're like he might be taken at 27 26.
Just is a week, Dr. Bro.
I don't Ernie Ernie loves are not the love J spro even J scrub.
Well, he's a D to a B to project.
You don't know how my mustache for people waited with attention look like any there's that that are most likely who I would take the teams.
I don't know about that, but it still is not lasting past like Tim, bro.
Yeah, but we're just just imagine, you pick the fossil at at eight.
Right? And you plug him in the starting lineup and you got CP three.
Purcell, RJ Horford and Mitch.
Ooh, that's a That's a solid team, man.
And imagine the bench you got. Frank.
You've got Taj Gibson.
You've got Kevin Knox.
You've got Reggie Bullock.
And you got those assets at the rest of the face, 27 to 19.
You might be able T O McDaniels 27.
Yeah, be able to soothe.
I want James Smith to fall, but I doubt it.
Look, Celtics mostly gonna take him, But something's gotta trade those picks. Don't.
Yeah, they have no space for those picks.
I don't know what you're doing and you don't even know.
I think Jamie McDaniels now you don't wanna play Jamie Downs.
Everyone knows he has to fix his motive.
Yes, certain parts of his game has to fix your strength.
Going to the basket? Uh, no space for what? I think Mark is getting e things got a little bit us a little bit e the jelly.
So on the rocks your mark.
Mark your condition keeps going down, Mark, you gotta You gotta reconnect, bro.
You sound like me.
Um, are you? You gotta keep Mark.
You got the O E.
Going through time zones going to the freaking, um, He's an end game right now.
You can try to get close to your orders. Don't like that.
So you know that in that spot you get really plenty of pigs.
He's been future pigs from from from the 70 sixes.
Right? And you, Because if you have Horford, you don't Randall, for example, from Minnesota and get, like the 19th pick.
So you got, you know, the 8th. 19.
The Phillies pick 20 couple, and you got 27 right with us.
So we got four picks in the first round.
So you get those four guys, they're not gonna be, you know, perfect star players or whatever, Right? But you got the bench stacked with projects, so you can you know, at least one of those guys is gonna pan out to be a rotation player, right? Yeah.
We'll be running a day care center.
Yeah, but I like the mics off young and old like young and veteran CEO.
I'm saying I like I like the Horford pig I like because I think Horford just didn't fit that Sixers team.
But what he showed with the Celtics year before I thought was fairly solid.
Um, and and just and just remember, remember Guillermo that he was playing under Woody in the Atlanta team.
That was, you know, really good on the east back in the day, right? It was the was the assistant coach in Boston too, right? Yeah, he was assistant called.
Was he was assistant earlier when he was when Rondo was there, winning the chip around.
I mean, yeah, Hartford.
I mean, look, we need smart play, everything.
But I was like, I know he might kill me for Randall, but I don't mind you not being capable.
I don't like it when you're when you're your own.
Your own selfishness, right? I don't want to see Randall here doing the whole, uh, I'm not gonna pass out of double teams and over dribble the ball.
We just That's just not constructive basketball.
Basketball is gonna help us, but it's not gonna is not *******'s gonna help us, uh, players get better, right? You could make the argument O R J bad.
Well, he wasn't gonna hit that.
So how do you know? Yeah.
I mean, we are going to eat it with these guys, and it's like they try to.