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00:00:00
and wise Mr Andrew McGill.
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It's Adam 70 something degrees in November.
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Could it be a nicer day outside right now? I don't think so, friend.
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I mean, well, they could be 75 I guess.
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But the point is, generally speaking, after a lot of like, cold days, there was a hole.
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There was like a four day stretch there where it was nothing but, like cold, wet, rainy weather.
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And I was just end during a really stretch of depression.
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And then they go, by the way, here's like mostly sunny high, you know, low seventies high sixties, walking around in a T shirt outside, raking Cem, fall leaves Living the Dream Friends Now, indeed, talking about this weekend, Adam, you better believe it.
00:00:41
So as we come into this and we know we we've been on this kind of train at the idea that on a week to week basis, let's put it, we're not necessary.
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Go can out what it looks like in terms of game matchups will have little nods towards it.
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But the reality is, as the Giants will be taking on the Washington football team tomorrow at one PM there's bigger things at play right.
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There's a lot of story lines here that are worth talking about in the big picture for Big Blue.
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And that being the case, they're really in the news cycle.
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As we come into this weekend, there is one enormous or one, as we would say, Giants positive.
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And then there's also one giant distraction.
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The positive, and I think is really worth mentioning.
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Here is that Logan Ryan, following last week's game his wife had a very serious medical scare, wasn't sure what to do.
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Ended up reaching out to a trainer very late at the back end following the games around midnight.
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12:31 a.
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m.
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The trainer listens to what Logan Ryan is describing and says, No, get your wife to the hospital immediately on by the way his wife was, who was down in Florida.
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So that ends up happening and she ends up being totally fine, ends up saving her from possibly a serious condition or his Logan Ryan described even possibly could have died if not getting the immediate medical attention that she did.
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On top of that Joe Judge, who has been getting more and more praise around the NFL in terms off his ability to be both an authoritative figure and also compassionate and relatable to his team into these young players.
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Three entire response, not just from Joe Judge but from the organization as a whole was.
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Hey, if you've got to go, if you need to get down there and take care of that, of course, do whatever you need to dio.
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There's nothing here that could possibly be more important than the health of your wife.
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We want you to do whatever is necessary.
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Logan Ryan just sang the praises not only of the trainer that helped him out, but also the organization as a whole being understanding in it.
00:02:35
And and it was really complimentary about what it is to play for the New York Giants organization and and listen in a bad season in a rough season, these air storylines that I think are worth highlighting not just from a giant perspective, but from a human perspective, right? Somebody.
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Somebody is healthy and and doing well right now because people put individuals first.
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Yeah, I love the story.
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Obviously, it's just a feather in the cap for the coaching staff in the organization, getting back to some semblance of competency.
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I think, um, you know this.
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This makes me think back to the pre season Adam when Joe Judge had taken the names and numbers off the back of the jerseys and everyone made it.
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This huge thing like this guy's never gonna last in New York if he acts like this like he's not cut out for it.
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We already know, even in preseason, that Joe judges in the guy.
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And now here we sit, eight games in there, one in seven.
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Yet everyone feels like they're moving in the right direction.
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Everyone is taking as much accountability as they as they possibly can on the team.
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And, you know, the ironic thing is, you know, when we talk about one giant distraction, maybe there's just one person that isn't necessarily buying into all of this stuff.
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That Joe judge and the organization as a whole has been.
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Yeah, and it's interesting.
00:03:46
Obviously, we're referring to Golden Tate.
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He continues to have some issues, and and there's a couple things to walk through here.
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But I think the first bird's eye view is when you talk about veteran players on this team.
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Ah, lot of them are coming in in different cir***stances.
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Maybe then Golden Tate currently finds himself, and we know I've been a huge fan of Golden Tate, and just in terms of where we're going as a team, it might make sense to move on from a player in a contract like that.
00:04:09
But ah, veteran guy like Blake Martinez just brought in on a three year deal with expectations of being a key contributor, right? You talk about bringing a Bradbury again veteran experience, but knows that he's a key cog in this.
00:04:21
Even a Logan Ryan brought in on a one year deal to be an important piece.
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So as you walk through some of these names that are the veteran guys that might be more inclined, toe have some issues when it comes to uh, you know, when it comes to being happy or malcontent or frustrated by what's been happening.
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Um, these guys are obviously on the right side of that line during the building process.
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For this organization where Golden Tate, unfortunately is not, and you certainly have Joe Judge being very quick to make decisions about saying what it's going to be.
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They removed him from the practice at one point.
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Then, when he returned back, they had him running with the practice squad and doing scout team work.
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And overall, it seems like he's been a bit of a problem.
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And I do wonder we could get into it a little bit here about what is the value of moving on from a player like this at this stage of the season and again, maybe putting the team first over, necessarily the production on the field.
00:05:15
What are your takeaways there? As beyond Golden Tate, we know that there's another piece that's come into play here for the Giants from a wide receiving corps perspective.
00:05:24
Yeah, so, first and foremost on the Golden Tate side of things, he is wrong to go out and and air this dirty laundry in front of everyone on Monday Night Football to come out and say, Get me the ball.
00:05:36
I need the ball shouting and screaming at the sideline, showing up his quarterback.
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Then you know, clearly he's been complaining about it at home to the point where his wife is now tweeting about how he's wide open and he needs to be getting the ball more and more and more like I don't know, that never helps any situation ever.
00:05:52
It's not like everyone, like all the coach is gonna be like, Wow, you know, Golden Tate's wife was right, like we really need to take a hard look in the mirror at our played calling because because she decided to point it out.
00:06:04
But there is another facet to this, and it is that Golden Tate wasn't wrong at the fact that he was open.
00:06:10
You know, Daniel did some really good screenshots and breakdown of, you know, 10 or 12 different place in the second half, and a good portion of them Golden Tate was open.
00:06:18
But again, that's neither here nor there.
00:06:21
You bring that in house, you have that conversation behind closed doors and you say we're gonna make a concerted effort to get the ball to Golden take if we're going to see this look in the future now by the by the way, too, by the way to on that front, and it's fair that he's open.
00:06:33
And one of the things that's been getting pointed out as well, though, is Hey, you're also when when shepherds on the field, or even whenever Gingrich, there like you, are probably the third read on a lot of these plays.
00:06:42
Now we can get into the into the details off.
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Is Daniel Jones getting all the way through his progressions to make his way to that open receiver? But if option one or two is also available on his reach on the route tree, then he's going to end up going there first and pulling the trigger before he gets to tape.
00:06:56
And I could understand if you're taping frustrated by that.
00:06:59
But the reality is, that's where you are in this hierarchy, which again ties back in to developing the younger guys on this roster.
00:07:05
Well, when you talk about developing younger guys on the roster, we have another player that is very intertwined in their futures with Golden Tate.
00:07:15
And that is Dante Pettis, so that the Giants put a waiver claim in and successfully were awarded Dante Pettis, who was recently waived and released by the San Francisco 40 Niners Dante Pettis the second that he was waived and released.
00:07:28
Adam, I sent you a text being like this is a Giants target for sure, and there's no secret why he's, you know, a second round draft pick.
00:07:35
The 40 Niners traded up in 2018 to go get Dante Pettis, but he has been a disappointment since being there.
00:07:41
There's there's been talk of lack of effort, lack of knowledge, of the playbook, not really getting along with the coaching staff, you know, kind of being a little bit aloof in this whole thing, and he's kind of been moved out.
00:07:52
But let's keep in mind at him that he is 25 years old.
00:07:55
He is 61 He is super athletic.
00:07:58
And the best part about this move is also the fact that that he is in his third year of his rookie deal.
00:08:04
The Giants have him on a $770,000 contract through next year.
00:08:10
So you've added low, cheap potential talent, and you haven't mortgaged any of the future in terms of assets or catch space to do it.
00:08:19
No, just just out of curiosity.
00:08:21
But he he was released, though, so that contract that go out the window or they signed, that's what they brought him in on.
00:08:27
So what happens is during the waiver process, if you put a waiver claim in for a player.
00:08:31
If you were awarded the player, you assume their contracts, you made it through.
00:08:36
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
00:08:38
So that's that's and that's actually a really important point you bring up because the idea of bringing in a guy who okay, now we get eight games.
00:08:44
Thio sie.
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Let's let's see who you are.
00:08:46
Let's see, if you want to turn over a new leaf, get recommitted to the process of learning the wide receiver position, and now we can go into next year and look at our wide receiver corps and, by the way, maybe have a contributor that helps to replace the loss of, Ah, Golden Tate.
00:09:01
If we're ever able to move out from underneath that, that contract in that player.
00:09:05
Exactly.
00:09:06
And you know, for some people may say, Well, Dante Pettis, he he wasn't very good with the 40 Niners.
00:09:10
Why should giant fans be excited? And, you know, we talked about Ryan Connolly getting, you know, picked up off waivers who claimed by waivers by Minnesota, You know, footnote, How's that working out? No one seems to care about running Conley anymore.
00:09:22
What? What what I do think is noteworthy about Dante Paez.
00:09:25
John fans may say, I think, What's the big deal? Two other NFL teams put in waiver claims for Dante Pettis? That would be Bill Belichick in the New England Patriots, and it would be the Cleveland Brown.
00:09:36
So when you think these moves are insignificant, you're getting a 25 year old with immense, tremendous talent on a low risk.
00:09:43
No, no asset giving up move, and you haven't signed through next year for under a million dollars a year.
00:09:48
So to me, these are the type of moves that the Giants absolutely need to make.
00:09:53
And they were awarded Dante Pettis because their record is one in seven and they had a higher where waiver claim that everybody else some convenience of maybe having a bad here is that you also get first crack at some players that become available.
00:10:04
So, yeah, and listen, I'll be really curious to see right if the eight game sample sizes and by the way, could take a couple of weeks for him and then he's not gonna be available this week as we know going through the protocol so he won't be available tomorrow.
00:10:15
But in the following week against Philly, Maybe you see him on the field, Maybe you don't.
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Maybe he gets a run in the return game.
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Potentially is just a dynamic weapon there.
00:10:22
But over say, it's two or three weeks where he did.
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It gets into form just having a guy in the building.
00:10:28
You'll know if in the off season, maybe they extend out his contract a little bit, right? Maybe they try to get on the front foot of saying, Hey, listen, we'll take a flyer on this guy and extend about another couple season.
00:10:37
We feel we can contribute, and we're gonna get better value by the end of this thing and what we did even come in.
00:10:43
So it's good to have him in.
00:10:45
We won't overreact to it just yet until we get a sample size of them and the reality for San Francisco, just in terms of why he makes it there.
00:10:52
There's some frustration, maybe, and not as dedicated you want the player to be, and then also they're dealing with, I don't know, 98% of their roster being injured.
00:10:59
I think at some point you just go and They have other young guys there now that have come along and I yuk and obviously Deebo Samuel, who has been injured this year.
00:11:06
But they have a lot of things, you know, a lot of weapons and opportunities there that they can afford to move on from still a young wide receiver, but not even as young as some of the other guys there.
00:11:14
When we turn our attention will say loosely into the matchup tomorrow with Washington F T Do we talk about now this conversation off where we standing development versus competitive right? Do we want to be? Because now what they said from Joe Judge and the Giants organization is going forward.
00:11:35
You're going to see full blown rotational offensive line.
00:11:39
You're going to see Pert continue to get his mix of reps.
00:11:42
They're over on the right side.
00:11:44
With Fleming.
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You're now going to see Shane Lamu is going to be introduced.
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He filled in for Hernandez.
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Showed enough.
00:11:50
That means that you can start to rotate him into the guard positions we know about Thomas and then you have Gates in the middle there.
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Zeitler.
00:11:56
So now that we're into this, everybody rolling in and trying to develop.
00:12:01
What's the risk reward from from your perspective on wanting to get the young reps in and then also wanting to, If you have the chance, win a game, right? If the Giants could have one last week, if Daniel Jones protects the football, they would have been a stat ecstatic to have beaten the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
00:12:18
So this is still a team, an organization that wants to win games.
00:12:21
But they also are being very clearing up front about developing the young talent and on and being comfortable with.
00:12:29
If it costs us wins, it costs us winds.
00:12:31
And that even includes, by the way, include the Daniel Jones right.
00:12:33
Like him being our quarterback means maybe we could have won a couple more games along the way here.
00:12:38
But this is about his learning process and identifying if he's our franchise quarterback going into next season.
00:12:42
A simple question for you to answer. Adam.
00:12:45
If this was a playoff game, would they be doing a rotation along their offensive line? Or who would be starting on the offensive line? If tomorrow was a playoff game? Well, that's the more interesting one, right? The more interesting question is, who would you be starting? Because I think I'll make the case That and by the way, we sometimes use pro football focus as a reference point.
00:13:05
They graded out Shane Lamu at a 12.
00:13:07
I think, like he came out with this insane number and everybody, by the way, like one of the few times that I aligned with social media, you know, with Twitter where they were like all right, maybe he did struggle.
00:13:19
But how could this be possible? That's like literally being a pancake that is just falling flat on your back, every play.
00:13:25
So I couldn't I couldn't wrap my head around that, but I would make the case off.
00:13:30
Maybe it was incidental that Thomas looked a little bit stronger, but I might say, like, Hey, I want to run out the Thomas Lemieux Gates, uh, Zeitler and part lineup, right? Or I wanna run out part instead of Thomas like I don't know, I don't know.
00:13:43
And it wouldn't be this just like for like of automatically, you need to win the game.
00:13:47
Put out your best veteran line.
00:13:48
I don't know if our best veteran line quote unquote is the best version of our life well, and and that's the ironic thing.
00:13:55
And that's why I posed the question, because I've been thinking about the same thing.
00:13:58
You know, you look a look at someone like Cam Fleming.
00:14:01
You know, he looked dreadful in the first two weeks of the season.
00:14:04
Like I didn't even think he was gonna make it.
00:14:05
Through five or six games he has become Come aim or serviceable complimentary rotational piece that you could bring in, which was what he was in Dallas that made him so effective anyway.
00:14:16
So, like, you know, we're actually utilizing him now in the way that he should.
00:14:20
You can come in in an injury time or spell somebody for a few drives like That's the type of player he is, and that's great.
00:14:26
And and so now what I'm thinking about is clearly the Giants are trying to get reps to for the offensive line to know what our line is and know what are areas of need are gonna be going to next year.
00:14:36
The Shane limb, you think like you said to me, is ludicrous.
00:14:40
If he didn't play well, fine.
00:14:41
But the eye test said to me that the left side of the line from you know Gates over over to Thomas with him in the middle looked more competent than it had the previous seven weeks.
00:14:52
So for me, you can tell me whatever you want with the with the grades.
00:14:56
Uh, everyone, you know on Twitter basically said the same thing.
00:14:59
They're like, No, my eyes are not fooling me.
00:15:01
We had more time.
00:15:02
We were able to run the ball effectively as well.
00:15:05
So for me, I I think it's interesting at him.
00:15:07
I think I do like this rotation.
00:15:09
I think small doses will give us a better indication of these guys getting their feet wet.
00:15:14
That moment won't be too big for them.
00:15:16
Let's start assessing talent and not overwhelming them by just throwing them into the fire and saying Good luck against a guy like Chase Young right? Quick pause here, as we say 34 over there on SportsCastr.
00:15:31
Thanks for the popcorn man on a Saturday afternoon.
00:15:34
Ah, little fresh popcorn with a drizzle of butter on top is alright by May.
00:15:37
As a matter of fact, I recently burned several bags, but in my microwave.
00:15:40
I apparently don't know how to microwave popcorn, but you're you're right on that front of it.
00:15:45
The eye test and what it looks like for this offensive line on guy.
00:15:50
It's just going to be, by the way, even against a the Washington football team without, we're not really getting into this terrific matchups.
00:15:57
Okay, that's fine.
00:15:58
You can do it if you want to, but more just, we know there is solid defensive front.
00:16:01
So this continues to be a season where the offensive line has had fairly consistent difficulty, high level test every single week off the season.
00:16:11
Washington is no different from that.
00:16:12
It's been interesting to hear the way some people have talked about this game coming up.
00:16:16
I think the line is down toe 1.
00:16:17
5 as of yesterday, at least in this game.
00:16:21
So you know these air relatively even matched teams and yet in my mind I look at it and this feels like a game that the Giants should be coming into and I don't know to say dominate like that.
00:16:35
That's a strong word to use for the Giants this season.
00:16:38
But But I'm fairly bullish and This goes back to what we talked about last week and Daniel Jones and the struggles that he had in that game. I get it.
00:16:45
I'm actually, and I laid out a tweet that got zero to no traction, where I broke down the comparison of Daniel Jones through the first four weeks versus the last four weeks, whereas Q B R has been, which takes into account of situational gameplay.
00:16:57
And you may be saying, My God, how could he be looking better given, given what he did this last game? Outside of that last one? Even including that last game, he has been on the higher end of the spectrum in q b r.
00:17:08
I did a predictive model about where I think he can go with modest improvement over these next eight games.
00:17:14
He's going to be in a situation where the intersections, they're going to be fairly high ranking in the NFL or low, depending on which way you're running it.
00:17:20
But the Q B R is going to be a top 15 16 quarterback in the league.
00:17:24
The yardage is going to be in the mix for top 20 the touch on, although like all these things, the complete your percentage.
00:17:29
So there's a lot of things to be positive about.
00:17:31
And I actually think in spite of some of those situational struggles he had last week, I'm actually getting a little bit born bullish about what this offense can look like because one footnote that people seem to be be forgetting about here is as Sterling Shepard has been on the field and now he's still dealing with turf toe plus the shoulder.
00:17:48
But with him there and with Darius Layton and with Evan Ingram and whatever capacity is getting used in spite of not having, say, Kwan Barkley, this offense is starting to find a rhythm.
00:17:58
You are starting to see a little bit more consistency out of them in terms of being able to move the ball and score some points.
00:18:03
I really think these next few games, which will be Washington, Philadelphia and Cincinnati, you may see one of the better versions of this offense.
00:18:11
You could even extend it to the Seattle game, where that's going to be a hard one toe win.
00:18:15
But from an offensive perspective, you should be able to move the ball and be able to have some success on that side.
00:18:21
You know, Adam, what you're saying is spot on, and the easiest, simplistic stat for everyone to see is in the first four games, the Giants did not score 20 points arm or in any of them.
00:18:33
In the last four games, the Giants have scored 20 or more points in every single game.
00:18:39
So, like it's it's such a stark difference between the beginning of the year.
00:18:42
And you know, if you break up the first eight games into two different pieces, like you go from not being able to score 22 consistently, being able to score 20 now 20 points in today's NFL is not necessarily where you wanna go.
00:18:54
But you're telling me that we're at least improving off of where we were at the beginning of the year.
00:18:59
And when you think about it, we started with the Steelers and the Bears and the 40 Niners, who are some of the better defenses in the league.
00:19:06
So, like I'm in the same category as you.
00:19:09
I think Daniel Jones showing the way that he came back against the Buccaneers.
00:19:13
Obviously, two point conversion didn't get us the tie there But you can't tell me that you don't see flashes of greatness and the ability to come back and get games in the fourth quarter that air winnable.
00:19:25
I think what's really going to change is cutting down one or two of those costing mistakes and ultimately getting that same feeling that you got from Tampa last year where he came back and won that game.
00:19:36
You know, we just need to be able to start as an organization, believing that we can win those close games.
00:19:41
And once that happens and the whole team gets that confidence and expects us to win, that's when you'll start seeing us rattle off.
00:19:47
234 wins in a row.
00:19:48
Yeah, 100% man s o.
00:19:50
Just when we do take a look at this game again in the broad strokes things that we're looking for on the defensive side, we mentioned Cam Brown and we mentioned my boy Carter Coughlin getting some of those sample sizes.
00:20:01
Those reps are starting to build up.
00:20:02
You can touch on if you think you're going to see an increased role for them going forward here and just incrementally larger sample sizes.
00:20:09
Right.
00:20:10
But then the other one that I'm actually really interested as well.
00:20:13
We know that, uh, that you lost You lost a Freeman this past week to injury, and Goldman came in right, and he had to kind of start to carry a little more of a load.
00:20:22
We also saw Alfred Morris get a couple of touches, but this is a big picture thing for me.
00:20:27
But I am curious because we talked about in the off season and who we want to see in this back field.
00:20:31
How we wanted this collection of running backs behind Se****.
00:20:34
Barkley to fair out.
00:20:35
Can Wayne Goldman move the needle for himself over the over the next eight games In terms off, He's still young.
00:20:41
Doesn't have a lot of wear and tear on the body, obviously, and he maybe still an ideal component toe have in behind him.
00:20:49
Ikhwan Barkley going into next season.
00:20:50
Do you think that he can solidify that for himself? Or is it all on the spectrum of if we find running back X in the fourth or fifth round in next year's draft, it's going to be easy for us to just go ahead and flip that switch and release way in golf because I've liked what he looked like. He looks strong.
00:21:06
He's run very north and south and listen.
00:21:08
Does he have that extra little gear to get away at the second level? Maybe not, but he's played very consistent over these last couple of weeks and complement of Freeman and then in the lead role as well.
00:21:18
The simple answer for me is that Wayne Gallman is a free agent at the end of the season.
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He's at the end of this four year contract, so the Giants would need to resign him, which means he has the ability to go sign with any other team.
00:21:31
And if he thinks that he performs well enough over the next eight games, that he has a chance to start somewhere else and not necessarily sit behind ST John Barclay, I don't think we're going to see him, so it's kind of a Catch 22.
00:21:44
If he performs well enough over the next eight games, he's gonna earn himself a bigger contract with another team.
00:21:48
If he doesn't play well enough over the next eight games, he's a free agent and the Giants will go to your point, the route of finding 1/4 or fifth round running back.
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That could be a complementary piece behind sake.
00:21:59
One. Barkley when he returns healthy.
00:22:01
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:22:02
And your end of the contract.
00:22:03
So and that's probably true, too, right? If you do, enough with the Giants were like, Oh, we actually like what you did for us over the last eight games of the season.
00:22:09
Another team, maybe like, Yeah, we like what you did for the Giants over the last eight games of the season.
00:22:12
How about coming in and maybe being a guaranteed number two? Or you could probably find so unlike the Giants, when you have a say, Kwan Barkley, maybe you get into a San Francisco type of scenario where it's listen.
00:22:24
We got a collection of backs, and pretty much it's gonna be like an even split in the hot hand takes it.
00:22:28
And Goldman may like that idea, that opportunity, depending on what the landscape looks like from a contract, you know, standpoint.
00:22:35
Beyond that, anything else in this game against the Washington football team positions key players that you're just looking in terms of how they're developing how they're playing.
00:22:44
It doesn't really again.
00:22:45
We can talk about matchups if we wanted to, but But this to me still always comes down to How are we developing? So maybe the more specific question is what young players or you're watching on both sides of the ball? Let's stay away from the offensive line way like to do our work there.
00:22:59
Who on the on the defensive side, you maybe get excited about? Well, you talked about Cam Brown and Carter Coughlin like I really do want to see how we can continue to get pressure.
00:23:09
Honestly, you know, Kyler Fackrell has been playing awesome.
00:23:12
He way Steve Blake Martinez on the all over the place on the field.
00:23:16
He is clearly just, you know, changed the way our linebacking team even is viewed right now.
00:23:22
You know, James Bradberry has been obsessively the either best cornerback in the league or top three cornerback in the league.
00:23:28
So you kind of have those things.
00:23:30
I mean, you know, the last game against Washington, Kyler Fackrell, was the one that forced forced all of the different pressures and turnovers and got to the quarterback.
00:23:39
I'm looking for him to do the same thing here, you know, with with O'Shea, examine as still out.
00:23:45
I don't think he's even practicing this week.
00:23:46
It is giving more of an opportunity for people like Cam Brown and Carter Coughlin to see if they're going to be part of this rotation, get more than four or five snaps a game.
00:23:55
Maybe they move it up to 10 12 snaps and we can start moving them in.
00:23:59
And I look at them rotating in very similar to the offensive line rotation that we're talking about before.
00:24:04
It doesn't have to be a 50 50 split, but if we can start getting these pieces a little bit of experience when the time comes, we can put them in and they're not, you know, a fish out of water.
00:24:13
You know the moment isn't too big for them.
00:24:16
Let's just briefly touch on here over these next eight games.
00:24:20
What are your expectations? You know, we we got away from it because when you're a one win team, there's no reason to look at the division and then you kind of take a little look at the division and see that it's only three wins.
00:24:32
Leading it right now.
00:24:34
I mean, just, you know, can the Giants move the needle? Not about the division, but can they move the needle just in terms off being competitive? I said these next three games.
00:24:41
Washington, Philly, Cincinnati, these are These are all winnable games in your mind.
00:24:46
I mean, these are games that you know what? The explanation for this game tomorrow.
00:24:49
We're gonna get to our game predictions ahead of the match up before one o'clock tomorrow.
00:24:52
Make sure you check back in with us for it.
00:24:54
But do they need to win this game? Let me say that.
00:24:58
Do they need to be Washington? Is that a box that has to get checked for you, even if it's in terms off the long term growth around this team? No, I don't think they need to win this game, because what's the goal? Is the goal still, that we're trying to win this division and listen, You can't tell coaches and players to not play hard and not go in games, so they're going to play to win every single snap in every single possession that they have the ball.
00:25:26
Really, The question is what's management's overall goal and that goes back toe.
00:25:29
I asked you if it's a playoff game, Who do? You start.
00:25:32
They need to start evaluating talent to understand who the nucleus is of this team moving forward.
00:25:37
And so, for me, it's not about wins and losses for the rest of the season.
00:25:41
Is there an outside shot of us going six and 10 and making the playoffs? Sure, we'd have to run the table against Dallas, Washington and the Eagles.
00:25:51
We'd have to win the game against the Bengals.
00:25:53
We have to steal another game later on in the season to potentially get get there.
00:25:57
But I don't know is is that the goal is the goal to try to get to five and 11, and all of a sudden we're drafting 10th.
00:26:06
And we're further away from knowing and evaluating the talent that we have on the roster to see who is for the future Well and what So what I would so like? Okay, let's end on that brief conversation.
00:26:16
Then when we talk about like you said, do you wanna get to five wins? And what does it really mean for me personally, being a guy that's willing to.
00:26:24
I have chosen the Daniel Jones Hill to die on.
00:26:27
I believe in Daniel Jones.
00:26:28
I think he is still the quarterback going forward for the New York football Giants.
00:26:31
So would I like if the Giants went a handful of games just to get us safely out of that conversation around.
00:26:38
Well, could you be going for the tank for Trevor Lawrence? What about Field? And I believe you heard another name out there about what the Giants should be looking at doing potentially in a quarterback that everyone watched at the college level for one game and decided.
00:26:50
Turns out he's the player that we need to go take.
00:26:52
Like I would like to have a safe conversation where we're away from that.
00:26:56
And then we can look at other key positions, like linebacker and even still on the offensive line and improving this team around the weapons we currently have.
00:27:04
So Zach Wilson of BYU he played last night, and everyone is just shouting and screaming how great he is.
00:27:10
He's a you know, 63 to 10 quarterback.
00:27:12
He looked amazing yesterday, and now everyone's like I'm convinced he's our guy.
00:27:16
Let's move on and My argument is very simply like, I think we kind of need help on the wide receiver side of things.
00:27:23
I think we may need MAWR cornerback help Considering we've had, like 10 different cornerback to try to start in that role, I think we may need some offensive line help, depending on what they do.
00:27:32
Is settler at the end of the year, Camp Fleming will be gone.
00:27:35
There's quite a few holes, and for me, I'm relatively close to you, Adam.
00:27:40
In that regard, where I do think I see enough from Daniel Jones to say, Can he be a top half of the league quarterback? You know, you already projected some of the stats out that gets him to 15 or 16 on a lot of these different things, even in a year where everyone's trying to cast him aside.
00:27:53
So can he progress a little bit? Maybe be a top 12 or top 13 quarterback? That's all that we're really asking of him.
00:28:00
There's Onley one.
00:28:02
Patrick Mahomes.
00:28:03
There's only one Aaron Rodgers.
00:28:04
There's only one Russell Wilson, like, if we if our expectation is we need a quarterback that is top five that can win a Super Bowls on their own, then, Yeah, maybe Daniel Jones isn't the guy, but there's so many quarterbacks in the league that if your top half and you have a good defense, which we're showing that we do, that we can win games.
00:28:21
Yeah, I agree with you.
00:28:23
And then that's that.
00:28:24
That's generally where I stand by it out the door on the stat line because we will say again, key matchups.
00:28:29
Maybe not.
00:28:30
I was a little surprised to see the Giants are getting points in this particular game against Washington, but when you want to run through it, these are teams that don't average a lot of points per game, 18 and 19, respectively.
00:28:39
Washington has the favor of that, that we're trending up.
00:28:41
We hope points allowed both in the same range of 25 to 24 3. Interesting.
00:28:46
In key stats for me to watch for, of course, they're gonna be passing yards.
00:28:49
Can Daniel Jones continue to move ahead of, and beyond that, 210 average we have right now? And on the defensive side of the ball we're talking about, we do give up passing yards.
00:28:58
Eso the key matchup is probably McLaurin against Bradbury on the outside and shutting him down as the primary weapon.
00:29:04
And then Gibson, who's had a nice start of a rookie season for the Washington football team.
00:29:08
You look at him and say, Hey, as the Giants run defense allows, just 102 yards per game will start to continue to push that thing in the wrong direction.
00:29:17
Aziz.
00:29:18
We as we continue clampdown.
00:29:19
Leonard Williams coming out looking very strong off that last game performance.
00:29:23
Likewise, with Freeman missing another game, we can say Goldman needs to continue to assert himself.
00:29:29
And I wouldn't be surprised if, as shocking as it may be, we may be getting another dose of Alfred Morris and complement to Goldman out of the vacuum.
00:29:36
I love the ****ysis.
00:29:38
I do think it's going to be key on the offensive line.
00:29:40
If the offensive line gets the push that they did against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and win.
00:29:44
Goldman and Alfred Morris can get us 3.
00:29:46
5 4 yards of carry so that we're not being predictable on Daniel Jones is dropping back and getting, you know, allowing the pass rush of Chase Young and my sweat and Ryan Kerrigan to just tee off on him.
00:29:57
Then I do think we have a really good opportunity to win.
00:30:00
I am solely focused on that offensive line and what's gonna be happening.
00:30:04
You know, the side note is gonna be Will we even have Golden State out there? You know, to help Daniel Jones on the outside because there's some conflicting reports that say he may not even be active for the game, but we'll find out about an hour before game time tomorrow.
00:30:16
Adam Yeah, could be buried on the depth chart.
00:30:18
Remember? Maybe even behind uh, Corey Coleman, who we brought back into the fold as well, so interesting to keep an eye on that Joe, Judge continues to put the development of the team and the organization as a whole ahead of any individual.
00:30:29
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One Giant Podcast w/ Adam Armbrecht & Andy Mackiewicz Podcast

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and wise Mr Andrew McGill.
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It's Adam 70 something degrees in November.
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Could it be a nicer day outside right now? I don't think so, friend.
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I mean, well, they could be 75 I guess.
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But the point is, generally speaking, after a lot of like, cold days, there was a hole.
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There was like a four day stretch there where it was nothing but, like cold, wet, rainy weather.
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And I was just end during a really stretch of depression.
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And then they go, by the way, here's like mostly sunny high, you know, low seventies high sixties, walking around in a T shirt outside, raking Cem, fall leaves Living the Dream Friends Now, indeed, talking about this weekend, Adam, you better believe it.
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So as we come into this and we know we we've been on this kind of train at the idea that on a week to week basis, let's put it, we're not necessary.
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Go can out what it looks like in terms of game matchups will have little nods towards it.
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But the reality is, as the Giants will be taking on the Washington football team tomorrow at one PM there's bigger things at play right.
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There's a lot of story lines here that are worth talking about in the big picture for Big Blue.
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And that being the case, they're really in the news cycle.
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As we come into this weekend, there is one enormous or one, as we would say, Giants positive.
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And then there's also one giant distraction.
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The positive, and I think is really worth mentioning.
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Here is that Logan Ryan, following last week's game his wife had a very serious medical scare, wasn't sure what to do.
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Ended up reaching out to a trainer very late at the back end following the games around midnight.
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12:31 a.
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m.
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The trainer listens to what Logan Ryan is describing and says, No, get your wife to the hospital immediately on by the way his wife was, who was down in Florida.
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So that ends up happening and she ends up being totally fine, ends up saving her from possibly a serious condition or his Logan Ryan described even possibly could have died if not getting the immediate medical attention that she did.
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On top of that Joe Judge, who has been getting more and more praise around the NFL in terms off his ability to be both an authoritative figure and also compassionate and relatable to his team into these young players.
00:02:14
Three entire response, not just from Joe Judge but from the organization as a whole was.
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Hey, if you've got to go, if you need to get down there and take care of that, of course, do whatever you need to dio.
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There's nothing here that could possibly be more important than the health of your wife.
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We want you to do whatever is necessary.
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Logan Ryan just sang the praises not only of the trainer that helped him out, but also the organization as a whole being understanding in it.
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And and it was really complimentary about what it is to play for the New York Giants organization and and listen in a bad season in a rough season, these air storylines that I think are worth highlighting not just from a giant perspective, but from a human perspective, right? Somebody.
00:02:49
Somebody is healthy and and doing well right now because people put individuals first.
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Yeah, I love the story.
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Obviously, it's just a feather in the cap for the coaching staff in the organization, getting back to some semblance of competency.
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I think, um, you know this.
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This makes me think back to the pre season Adam when Joe Judge had taken the names and numbers off the back of the jerseys and everyone made it.
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This huge thing like this guy's never gonna last in New York if he acts like this like he's not cut out for it.
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We already know, even in preseason, that Joe judges in the guy.
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And now here we sit, eight games in there, one in seven.
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Yet everyone feels like they're moving in the right direction.
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Everyone is taking as much accountability as they as they possibly can on the team.
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And, you know, the ironic thing is, you know, when we talk about one giant distraction, maybe there's just one person that isn't necessarily buying into all of this stuff.
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That Joe judge and the organization as a whole has been.
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Yeah, and it's interesting.
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Obviously, we're referring to Golden Tate.
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He continues to have some issues, and and there's a couple things to walk through here.
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But I think the first bird's eye view is when you talk about veteran players on this team.
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Ah, lot of them are coming in in different cir***stances.
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Maybe then Golden Tate currently finds himself, and we know I've been a huge fan of Golden Tate, and just in terms of where we're going as a team, it might make sense to move on from a player in a contract like that.
00:04:09
But ah, veteran guy like Blake Martinez just brought in on a three year deal with expectations of being a key contributor, right? You talk about bringing a Bradbury again veteran experience, but knows that he's a key cog in this.
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Even a Logan Ryan brought in on a one year deal to be an important piece.
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So as you walk through some of these names that are the veteran guys that might be more inclined, toe have some issues when it comes to uh, you know, when it comes to being happy or malcontent or frustrated by what's been happening.
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Um, these guys are obviously on the right side of that line during the building process.
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For this organization where Golden Tate, unfortunately is not, and you certainly have Joe Judge being very quick to make decisions about saying what it's going to be.
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They removed him from the practice at one point.
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Then, when he returned back, they had him running with the practice squad and doing scout team work.
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And overall, it seems like he's been a bit of a problem.
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And I do wonder we could get into it a little bit here about what is the value of moving on from a player like this at this stage of the season and again, maybe putting the team first over, necessarily the production on the field.
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What are your takeaways there? As beyond Golden Tate, we know that there's another piece that's come into play here for the Giants from a wide receiving corps perspective.
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Yeah, so, first and foremost on the Golden Tate side of things, he is wrong to go out and and air this dirty laundry in front of everyone on Monday Night Football to come out and say, Get me the ball.
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I need the ball shouting and screaming at the sideline, showing up his quarterback.
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Then you know, clearly he's been complaining about it at home to the point where his wife is now tweeting about how he's wide open and he needs to be getting the ball more and more and more like I don't know, that never helps any situation ever.
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It's not like everyone, like all the coach is gonna be like, Wow, you know, Golden Tate's wife was right, like we really need to take a hard look in the mirror at our played calling because because she decided to point it out.
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But there is another facet to this, and it is that Golden Tate wasn't wrong at the fact that he was open.
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You know, Daniel did some really good screenshots and breakdown of, you know, 10 or 12 different place in the second half, and a good portion of them Golden Tate was open.
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But again, that's neither here nor there.
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You bring that in house, you have that conversation behind closed doors and you say we're gonna make a concerted effort to get the ball to Golden take if we're going to see this look in the future now by the by the way, too, by the way to on that front, and it's fair that he's open.
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And one of the things that's been getting pointed out as well, though, is Hey, you're also when when shepherds on the field, or even whenever Gingrich, there like you, are probably the third read on a lot of these plays.
00:06:42
Now we can get into the into the details off.
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Is Daniel Jones getting all the way through his progressions to make his way to that open receiver? But if option one or two is also available on his reach on the route tree, then he's going to end up going there first and pulling the trigger before he gets to tape.
00:06:56
And I could understand if you're taping frustrated by that.
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But the reality is, that's where you are in this hierarchy, which again ties back in to developing the younger guys on this roster.
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Well, when you talk about developing younger guys on the roster, we have another player that is very intertwined in their futures with Golden Tate.
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And that is Dante Pettis, so that the Giants put a waiver claim in and successfully were awarded Dante Pettis, who was recently waived and released by the San Francisco 40 Niners Dante Pettis the second that he was waived and released.
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Adam, I sent you a text being like this is a Giants target for sure, and there's no secret why he's, you know, a second round draft pick.
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The 40 Niners traded up in 2018 to go get Dante Pettis, but he has been a disappointment since being there.
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There's there's been talk of lack of effort, lack of knowledge, of the playbook, not really getting along with the coaching staff, you know, kind of being a little bit aloof in this whole thing, and he's kind of been moved out.
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But let's keep in mind at him that he is 25 years old.
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He is 61 He is super athletic.
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And the best part about this move is also the fact that that he is in his third year of his rookie deal.
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The Giants have him on a $770,000 contract through next year.
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So you've added low, cheap potential talent, and you haven't mortgaged any of the future in terms of assets or catch space to do it.
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No, just just out of curiosity.
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But he he was released, though, so that contract that go out the window or they signed, that's what they brought him in on.
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So what happens is during the waiver process, if you put a waiver claim in for a player.
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If you were awarded the player, you assume their contracts, you made it through.
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Yeah, yeah, 100%.
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So that's that's and that's actually a really important point you bring up because the idea of bringing in a guy who okay, now we get eight games.
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Thio sie.
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Let's let's see who you are.
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Let's see, if you want to turn over a new leaf, get recommitted to the process of learning the wide receiver position, and now we can go into next year and look at our wide receiver corps and, by the way, maybe have a contributor that helps to replace the loss of, Ah, Golden Tate.
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If we're ever able to move out from underneath that, that contract in that player.
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Exactly.
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And you know, for some people may say, Well, Dante Pettis, he he wasn't very good with the 40 Niners.
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Why should giant fans be excited? And, you know, we talked about Ryan Connolly getting, you know, picked up off waivers who claimed by waivers by Minnesota, You know, footnote, How's that working out? No one seems to care about running Conley anymore.
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What? What what I do think is noteworthy about Dante Paez.
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John fans may say, I think, What's the big deal? Two other NFL teams put in waiver claims for Dante Pettis? That would be Bill Belichick in the New England Patriots, and it would be the Cleveland Brown.
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So when you think these moves are insignificant, you're getting a 25 year old with immense, tremendous talent on a low risk.
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No, no asset giving up move, and you haven't signed through next year for under a million dollars a year.
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So to me, these are the type of moves that the Giants absolutely need to make.
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And they were awarded Dante Pettis because their record is one in seven and they had a higher where waiver claim that everybody else some convenience of maybe having a bad here is that you also get first crack at some players that become available.
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So, yeah, and listen, I'll be really curious to see right if the eight game sample sizes and by the way, could take a couple of weeks for him and then he's not gonna be available this week as we know going through the protocol so he won't be available tomorrow.
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But in the following week against Philly, Maybe you see him on the field, Maybe you don't.
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Maybe he gets a run in the return game.
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Potentially is just a dynamic weapon there.
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But over say, it's two or three weeks where he did.
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It gets into form just having a guy in the building.
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You'll know if in the off season, maybe they extend out his contract a little bit, right? Maybe they try to get on the front foot of saying, Hey, listen, we'll take a flyer on this guy and extend about another couple season.
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We feel we can contribute, and we're gonna get better value by the end of this thing and what we did even come in.
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So it's good to have him in.
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We won't overreact to it just yet until we get a sample size of them and the reality for San Francisco, just in terms of why he makes it there.
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There's some frustration, maybe, and not as dedicated you want the player to be, and then also they're dealing with, I don't know, 98% of their roster being injured.
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I think at some point you just go and They have other young guys there now that have come along and I yuk and obviously Deebo Samuel, who has been injured this year.
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But they have a lot of things, you know, a lot of weapons and opportunities there that they can afford to move on from still a young wide receiver, but not even as young as some of the other guys there.
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When we turn our attention will say loosely into the matchup tomorrow with Washington F T Do we talk about now this conversation off where we standing development versus competitive right? Do we want to be? Because now what they said from Joe Judge and the Giants organization is going forward.
00:11:35
You're going to see full blown rotational offensive line.
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You're going to see Pert continue to get his mix of reps.
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They're over on the right side.
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With Fleming.
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You're now going to see Shane Lamu is going to be introduced.
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He filled in for Hernandez.
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Showed enough.
00:11:50
That means that you can start to rotate him into the guard positions we know about Thomas and then you have Gates in the middle there.
00:11:55
Zeitler.
00:11:56
So now that we're into this, everybody rolling in and trying to develop.
00:12:01
What's the risk reward from from your perspective on wanting to get the young reps in and then also wanting to, If you have the chance, win a game, right? If the Giants could have one last week, if Daniel Jones protects the football, they would have been a stat ecstatic to have beaten the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
00:12:18
So this is still a team, an organization that wants to win games.
00:12:21
But they also are being very clearing up front about developing the young talent and on and being comfortable with.
00:12:29
If it costs us wins, it costs us winds.
00:12:31
And that even includes, by the way, include the Daniel Jones right.
00:12:33
Like him being our quarterback means maybe we could have won a couple more games along the way here.
00:12:38
But this is about his learning process and identifying if he's our franchise quarterback going into next season.
00:12:42
A simple question for you to answer. Adam.
00:12:45
If this was a playoff game, would they be doing a rotation along their offensive line? Or who would be starting on the offensive line? If tomorrow was a playoff game? Well, that's the more interesting one, right? The more interesting question is, who would you be starting? Because I think I'll make the case That and by the way, we sometimes use pro football focus as a reference point.
00:13:05
They graded out Shane Lamu at a 12.
00:13:07
I think, like he came out with this insane number and everybody, by the way, like one of the few times that I aligned with social media, you know, with Twitter where they were like all right, maybe he did struggle.
00:13:19
But how could this be possible? That's like literally being a pancake that is just falling flat on your back, every play.
00:13:25
So I couldn't I couldn't wrap my head around that, but I would make the case off.
00:13:30
Maybe it was incidental that Thomas looked a little bit stronger, but I might say, like, Hey, I want to run out the Thomas Lemieux Gates, uh, Zeitler and part lineup, right? Or I wanna run out part instead of Thomas like I don't know, I don't know.
00:13:43
And it wouldn't be this just like for like of automatically, you need to win the game.
00:13:47
Put out your best veteran line.
00:13:48
I don't know if our best veteran line quote unquote is the best version of our life well, and and that's the ironic thing.
00:13:55
And that's why I posed the question, because I've been thinking about the same thing.
00:13:58
You know, you look a look at someone like Cam Fleming.
00:14:01
You know, he looked dreadful in the first two weeks of the season.
00:14:04
Like I didn't even think he was gonna make it.
00:14:05
Through five or six games he has become Come aim or serviceable complimentary rotational piece that you could bring in, which was what he was in Dallas that made him so effective anyway.
00:14:16
So, like, you know, we're actually utilizing him now in the way that he should.
00:14:20
You can come in in an injury time or spell somebody for a few drives like That's the type of player he is, and that's great.
00:14:26
And and so now what I'm thinking about is clearly the Giants are trying to get reps to for the offensive line to know what our line is and know what are areas of need are gonna be going to next year.
00:14:36
The Shane limb, you think like you said to me, is ludicrous.
00:14:40
If he didn't play well, fine.
00:14:41
But the eye test said to me that the left side of the line from you know Gates over over to Thomas with him in the middle looked more competent than it had the previous seven weeks.
00:14:52
So for me, you can tell me whatever you want with the with the grades.
00:14:56
Uh, everyone, you know on Twitter basically said the same thing.
00:14:59
They're like, No, my eyes are not fooling me.
00:15:01
We had more time.
00:15:02
We were able to run the ball effectively as well.
00:15:05
So for me, I I think it's interesting at him.
00:15:07
I think I do like this rotation.
00:15:09
I think small doses will give us a better indication of these guys getting their feet wet.
00:15:14
That moment won't be too big for them.
00:15:16
Let's start assessing talent and not overwhelming them by just throwing them into the fire and saying Good luck against a guy like Chase Young right? Quick pause here, as we say 34 over there on SportsCastr.
00:15:31
Thanks for the popcorn man on a Saturday afternoon.
00:15:34
Ah, little fresh popcorn with a drizzle of butter on top is alright by May.
00:15:37
As a matter of fact, I recently burned several bags, but in my microwave.
00:15:40
I apparently don't know how to microwave popcorn, but you're you're right on that front of it.
00:15:45
The eye test and what it looks like for this offensive line on guy.
00:15:50
It's just going to be, by the way, even against a the Washington football team without, we're not really getting into this terrific matchups.
00:15:57
Okay, that's fine.
00:15:58
You can do it if you want to, but more just, we know there is solid defensive front.
00:16:01
So this continues to be a season where the offensive line has had fairly consistent difficulty, high level test every single week off the season.
00:16:11
Washington is no different from that.
00:16:12
It's been interesting to hear the way some people have talked about this game coming up.
00:16:16
I think the line is down toe 1.
00:16:17
5 as of yesterday, at least in this game.
00:16:21
So you know these air relatively even matched teams and yet in my mind I look at it and this feels like a game that the Giants should be coming into and I don't know to say dominate like that.
00:16:35
That's a strong word to use for the Giants this season.
00:16:38
But But I'm fairly bullish and This goes back to what we talked about last week and Daniel Jones and the struggles that he had in that game. I get it.
00:16:45
I'm actually, and I laid out a tweet that got zero to no traction, where I broke down the comparison of Daniel Jones through the first four weeks versus the last four weeks, whereas Q B R has been, which takes into account of situational gameplay.
00:16:57
And you may be saying, My God, how could he be looking better given, given what he did this last game? Outside of that last one? Even including that last game, he has been on the higher end of the spectrum in q b r.
00:17:08
I did a predictive model about where I think he can go with modest improvement over these next eight games.
00:17:14
He's going to be in a situation where the intersections, they're going to be fairly high ranking in the NFL or low, depending on which way you're running it.
00:17:20
But the Q B R is going to be a top 15 16 quarterback in the league.
00:17:24
The yardage is going to be in the mix for top 20 the touch on, although like all these things, the complete your percentage.
00:17:29
So there's a lot of things to be positive about.
00:17:31
And I actually think in spite of some of those situational struggles he had last week, I'm actually getting a little bit born bullish about what this offense can look like because one footnote that people seem to be be forgetting about here is as Sterling Shepard has been on the field and now he's still dealing with turf toe plus the shoulder.
00:17:48
But with him there and with Darius Layton and with Evan Ingram and whatever capacity is getting used in spite of not having, say, Kwan Barkley, this offense is starting to find a rhythm.
00:17:58
You are starting to see a little bit more consistency out of them in terms of being able to move the ball and score some points.
00:18:03
I really think these next few games, which will be Washington, Philadelphia and Cincinnati, you may see one of the better versions of this offense.
00:18:11
You could even extend it to the Seattle game, where that's going to be a hard one toe win.
00:18:15
But from an offensive perspective, you should be able to move the ball and be able to have some success on that side.
00:18:21
You know, Adam, what you're saying is spot on, and the easiest, simplistic stat for everyone to see is in the first four games, the Giants did not score 20 points arm or in any of them.
00:18:33
In the last four games, the Giants have scored 20 or more points in every single game.
00:18:39
So, like it's it's such a stark difference between the beginning of the year.
00:18:42
And you know, if you break up the first eight games into two different pieces, like you go from not being able to score 22 consistently, being able to score 20 now 20 points in today's NFL is not necessarily where you wanna go.
00:18:54
But you're telling me that we're at least improving off of where we were at the beginning of the year.
00:18:59
And when you think about it, we started with the Steelers and the Bears and the 40 Niners, who are some of the better defenses in the league.
00:19:06
So, like I'm in the same category as you.
00:19:09
I think Daniel Jones showing the way that he came back against the Buccaneers.
00:19:13
Obviously, two point conversion didn't get us the tie there But you can't tell me that you don't see flashes of greatness and the ability to come back and get games in the fourth quarter that air winnable.
00:19:25
I think what's really going to change is cutting down one or two of those costing mistakes and ultimately getting that same feeling that you got from Tampa last year where he came back and won that game.
00:19:36
You know, we just need to be able to start as an organization, believing that we can win those close games.
00:19:41
And once that happens and the whole team gets that confidence and expects us to win, that's when you'll start seeing us rattle off.
00:19:47
234 wins in a row.
00:19:48
Yeah, 100% man s o.
00:19:50
Just when we do take a look at this game again in the broad strokes things that we're looking for on the defensive side, we mentioned Cam Brown and we mentioned my boy Carter Coughlin getting some of those sample sizes.
00:20:01
Those reps are starting to build up.
00:20:02
You can touch on if you think you're going to see an increased role for them going forward here and just incrementally larger sample sizes.
00:20:09
Right.
00:20:10
But then the other one that I'm actually really interested as well.
00:20:13
We know that, uh, that you lost You lost a Freeman this past week to injury, and Goldman came in right, and he had to kind of start to carry a little more of a load.
00:20:22
We also saw Alfred Morris get a couple of touches, but this is a big picture thing for me.
00:20:27
But I am curious because we talked about in the off season and who we want to see in this back field.
00:20:31
How we wanted this collection of running backs behind Se****.
00:20:34
Barkley to fair out.
00:20:35
Can Wayne Goldman move the needle for himself over the over the next eight games In terms off, He's still young.
00:20:41
Doesn't have a lot of wear and tear on the body, obviously, and he maybe still an ideal component toe have in behind him.
00:20:49
Ikhwan Barkley going into next season.
00:20:50
Do you think that he can solidify that for himself? Or is it all on the spectrum of if we find running back X in the fourth or fifth round in next year's draft, it's going to be easy for us to just go ahead and flip that switch and release way in golf because I've liked what he looked like. He looks strong.
00:21:06
He's run very north and south and listen.
00:21:08
Does he have that extra little gear to get away at the second level? Maybe not, but he's played very consistent over these last couple of weeks and complement of Freeman and then in the lead role as well.
00:21:18
The simple answer for me is that Wayne Gallman is a free agent at the end of the season.
00:21:22
He's at the end of this four year contract, so the Giants would need to resign him, which means he has the ability to go sign with any other team.
00:21:31
And if he thinks that he performs well enough over the next eight games, that he has a chance to start somewhere else and not necessarily sit behind ST John Barclay, I don't think we're going to see him, so it's kind of a Catch 22.
00:21:44
If he performs well enough over the next eight games, he's gonna earn himself a bigger contract with another team.
00:21:48
If he doesn't play well enough over the next eight games, he's a free agent and the Giants will go to your point, the route of finding 1/4 or fifth round running back.
00:21:56
That could be a complementary piece behind sake.
00:21:59
One. Barkley when he returns healthy.
00:22:01
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:22:02
And your end of the contract.
00:22:03
So and that's probably true, too, right? If you do, enough with the Giants were like, Oh, we actually like what you did for us over the last eight games of the season.
00:22:09
Another team, maybe like, Yeah, we like what you did for the Giants over the last eight games of the season.
00:22:12
How about coming in and maybe being a guaranteed number two? Or you could probably find so unlike the Giants, when you have a say, Kwan Barkley, maybe you get into a San Francisco type of scenario where it's listen.
00:22:24
We got a collection of backs, and pretty much it's gonna be like an even split in the hot hand takes it.
00:22:28
And Goldman may like that idea, that opportunity, depending on what the landscape looks like from a contract, you know, standpoint.
00:22:35
Beyond that, anything else in this game against the Washington football team positions key players that you're just looking in terms of how they're developing how they're playing.
00:22:44
It doesn't really again.
00:22:45
We can talk about matchups if we wanted to, but But this to me still always comes down to How are we developing? So maybe the more specific question is what young players or you're watching on both sides of the ball? Let's stay away from the offensive line way like to do our work there.
00:22:59
Who on the on the defensive side, you maybe get excited about? Well, you talked about Cam Brown and Carter Coughlin like I really do want to see how we can continue to get pressure.
00:23:09
Honestly, you know, Kyler Fackrell has been playing awesome.
00:23:12
He way Steve Blake Martinez on the all over the place on the field.
00:23:16
He is clearly just, you know, changed the way our linebacking team even is viewed right now.
00:23:22
You know, James Bradberry has been obsessively the either best cornerback in the league or top three cornerback in the league.
00:23:28
So you kind of have those things.
00:23:30
I mean, you know, the last game against Washington, Kyler Fackrell, was the one that forced forced all of the different pressures and turnovers and got to the quarterback.
00:23:39
I'm looking for him to do the same thing here, you know, with with O'Shea, examine as still out.
00:23:45
I don't think he's even practicing this week.
00:23:46
It is giving more of an opportunity for people like Cam Brown and Carter Coughlin to see if they're going to be part of this rotation, get more than four or five snaps a game.
00:23:55
Maybe they move it up to 10 12 snaps and we can start moving them in.
00:23:59
And I look at them rotating in very similar to the offensive line rotation that we're talking about before.
00:24:04
It doesn't have to be a 50 50 split, but if we can start getting these pieces a little bit of experience when the time comes, we can put them in and they're not, you know, a fish out of water.
00:24:13
You know the moment isn't too big for them.
00:24:16
Let's just briefly touch on here over these next eight games.
00:24:20
What are your expectations? You know, we we got away from it because when you're a one win team, there's no reason to look at the division and then you kind of take a little look at the division and see that it's only three wins.
00:24:32
Leading it right now.
00:24:34
I mean, just, you know, can the Giants move the needle? Not about the division, but can they move the needle just in terms off being competitive? I said these next three games.
00:24:41
Washington, Philly, Cincinnati, these are These are all winnable games in your mind.
00:24:46
I mean, these are games that you know what? The explanation for this game tomorrow.
00:24:49
We're gonna get to our game predictions ahead of the match up before one o'clock tomorrow.
00:24:52
Make sure you check back in with us for it.
00:24:54
But do they need to win this game? Let me say that.
00:24:58
Do they need to be Washington? Is that a box that has to get checked for you, even if it's in terms off the long term growth around this team? No, I don't think they need to win this game, because what's the goal? Is the goal still, that we're trying to win this division and listen, You can't tell coaches and players to not play hard and not go in games, so they're going to play to win every single snap in every single possession that they have the ball.
00:25:26
Really, The question is what's management's overall goal and that goes back toe.
00:25:29
I asked you if it's a playoff game, Who do? You start.
00:25:32
They need to start evaluating talent to understand who the nucleus is of this team moving forward.
00:25:37
And so, for me, it's not about wins and losses for the rest of the season.
00:25:41
Is there an outside shot of us going six and 10 and making the playoffs? Sure, we'd have to run the table against Dallas, Washington and the Eagles.
00:25:51
We'd have to win the game against the Bengals.
00:25:53
We have to steal another game later on in the season to potentially get get there.
00:25:57
But I don't know is is that the goal is the goal to try to get to five and 11, and all of a sudden we're drafting 10th.
00:26:06
And we're further away from knowing and evaluating the talent that we have on the roster to see who is for the future Well and what So what I would so like? Okay, let's end on that brief conversation.
00:26:16
Then when we talk about like you said, do you wanna get to five wins? And what does it really mean for me personally, being a guy that's willing to.
00:26:24
I have chosen the Daniel Jones Hill to die on.
00:26:27
I believe in Daniel Jones.
00:26:28
I think he is still the quarterback going forward for the New York football Giants.
00:26:31
So would I like if the Giants went a handful of games just to get us safely out of that conversation around.
00:26:38
Well, could you be going for the tank for Trevor Lawrence? What about Field? And I believe you heard another name out there about what the Giants should be looking at doing potentially in a quarterback that everyone watched at the college level for one game and decided.
00:26:50
Turns out he's the player that we need to go take.
00:26:52
Like I would like to have a safe conversation where we're away from that.
00:26:56
And then we can look at other key positions, like linebacker and even still on the offensive line and improving this team around the weapons we currently have.
00:27:04
So Zach Wilson of BYU he played last night, and everyone is just shouting and screaming how great he is.
00:27:10
He's a you know, 63 to 10 quarterback.
00:27:12
He looked amazing yesterday, and now everyone's like I'm convinced he's our guy.
00:27:16
Let's move on and My argument is very simply like, I think we kind of need help on the wide receiver side of things.
00:27:23
I think we may need MAWR cornerback help Considering we've had, like 10 different cornerback to try to start in that role, I think we may need some offensive line help, depending on what they do.
00:27:32
Is settler at the end of the year, Camp Fleming will be gone.
00:27:35
There's quite a few holes, and for me, I'm relatively close to you, Adam.
00:27:40
In that regard, where I do think I see enough from Daniel Jones to say, Can he be a top half of the league quarterback? You know, you already projected some of the stats out that gets him to 15 or 16 on a lot of these different things, even in a year where everyone's trying to cast him aside.
00:27:53
So can he progress a little bit? Maybe be a top 12 or top 13 quarterback? That's all that we're really asking of him.
00:28:00
There's Onley one.
00:28:02
Patrick Mahomes.
00:28:03
There's only one Aaron Rodgers.
00:28:04
There's only one Russell Wilson, like, if we if our expectation is we need a quarterback that is top five that can win a Super Bowls on their own, then, Yeah, maybe Daniel Jones isn't the guy, but there's so many quarterbacks in the league that if your top half and you have a good defense, which we're showing that we do, that we can win games.
00:28:21
Yeah, I agree with you.
00:28:23
And then that's that.
00:28:24
That's generally where I stand by it out the door on the stat line because we will say again, key matchups.
00:28:29
Maybe not.
00:28:30
I was a little surprised to see the Giants are getting points in this particular game against Washington, but when you want to run through it, these are teams that don't average a lot of points per game, 18 and 19, respectively.
00:28:39
Washington has the favor of that, that we're trending up.
00:28:41
We hope points allowed both in the same range of 25 to 24 3. Interesting.
00:28:46
In key stats for me to watch for, of course, they're gonna be passing yards.
00:28:49
Can Daniel Jones continue to move ahead of, and beyond that, 210 average we have right now? And on the defensive side of the ball we're talking about, we do give up passing yards.
00:28:58
Eso the key matchup is probably McLaurin against Bradbury on the outside and shutting him down as the primary weapon.
00:29:04
And then Gibson, who's had a nice start of a rookie season for the Washington football team.
00:29:08
You look at him and say, Hey, as the Giants run defense allows, just 102 yards per game will start to continue to push that thing in the wrong direction.
00:29:17
Aziz.
00:29:18
We as we continue clampdown.
00:29:19
Leonard Williams coming out looking very strong off that last game performance.
00:29:23
Likewise, with Freeman missing another game, we can say Goldman needs to continue to assert himself.
00:29:29
And I wouldn't be surprised if, as shocking as it may be, we may be getting another dose of Alfred Morris and complement to Goldman out of the vacuum.
00:29:36
I love the ****ysis.
00:29:38
I do think it's going to be key on the offensive line.
00:29:40
If the offensive line gets the push that they did against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and win.
00:29:44
Goldman and Alfred Morris can get us 3.
00:29:46
5 4 yards of carry so that we're not being predictable on Daniel Jones is dropping back and getting, you know, allowing the pass rush of Chase Young and my sweat and Ryan Kerrigan to just tee off on him.
00:29:57
Then I do think we have a really good opportunity to win.
00:30:00
I am solely focused on that offensive line and what's gonna be happening.
00:30:04
You know, the side note is gonna be Will we even have Golden State out there? You know, to help Daniel Jones on the outside because there's some conflicting reports that say he may not even be active for the game, but we'll find out about an hour before game time tomorrow.
00:30:16
Adam Yeah, could be buried on the depth chart.
00:30:18
Remember? Maybe even behind uh, Corey Coleman, who we brought back into the fold as well, so interesting to keep an eye on that Joe, Judge continues to put the development of the team and the organization as a whole ahead of any individual.
00:30:29
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