What's up, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this week's edition of Power Forward and this week it's a special guest because it's another one of my Syracuse brothers, someone who shares the same DNA's me.
Basically, he shares a lot of the same story because, you know, we both played for Coach Boeheim, obviously, because Coach has been there for 45 years.
So, you know, and coming out of Oak Hill High School, which one of you know the most prestigious high schools, Uh, that a basketball player could go to still today? I mean, that guy, Steve Smith down there has been around for so long.
I remember following this player when he did his diary in the Slam magazine while he's at Oak Hill.
Remember following it every week.
I was, you know, you know, the fact that he was going to Syracuse made me obviously following even more.
And I like I love this name like the whole Devendorf thing.
It played into it.
So, uh, you know, and, you know, he had some of his greatest moments at the place where I called home that Madison Square Garden.
Um, the six overtime game.
All those minutes.
You played that that that night and jumping on the scorer's table, but obviously needs no introduction, my man Eric Divan, door.
Thank you so much for joining us today.
How how you doing and what's going on in your life? The man.
I appreciate that intro.
That was top notch right there.
I appreciate that.
Bad? No, every everything is good, man. I remember.
First seen you, man.
And he got game and he got Remember what you was playing outside.
He was right here.
He was doing this right here, man.
And then ever since then I'm like and I came to queue, so I was like, Man, it's unreal that I'm not only talking to you, but we're good friends.
We became good friends.
That was really That was a surreal moment to me.
Because I remember you.
You know, I was watching you in the movies.
One of my favorite movie, one of the greatest basketball movies all the time.
So I appreciate you having me, man, for sure.
So what's going on with your life today? What you're doing? How's your daughters? What's going on your life? Yeah.
So I'm good, man.
Everybody good. Everybody healthy, obviously.
Um, you know, despite the situation and everything going on trying to stay active and keep it moving.
Um, I still got my basketball development of training Company three.
Who? Um, so we've been doing that trying to help out the kids and on the other guys and, uh, and then doing a lot of charity events and doing a lot of events in the community trying to help out.
Ah, you know, And then and then take care of the fans.
Take care of the girls.
So just trying to stay active, man.
So you were part of that.
You know, Uh 05 class high school class, right.
You know your boy Wilson Chandler, who you and I have spoke about before, Danny Green.
Couple of the present class, McDonald's all American, All that good stuff.
But can you tell some of the viewers What? What was it like being up an old kill? Because I remember I had a opportunity possibly go there in high school, and I realized where it was, and I just like, that's not just not for me.
It's in the middle of nowhere.
Being able to go there and deal with that.
I mean, you're in the middle of absolutely nowhere.
So talk about, oh, kill a little bit and your experience at Oak Hill and then becoming that leading to you becoming a McDonald's all American.
So remember that 05 class was the last class that was allowed to go out of high school.
So we had, like, 89 guys, I think go get drafted.
And then, like Lewis Williams, Monta Ellis, Andre Blatche, Martell Webster, Gerald Green guys like like that s O that was That was a tough class.
Um, and then assed faras me goingto kill.
Um, you know, I come from Bay City, Michigan.
So it's, you know, it's a little town, you know, and Michigan at that time.
They have some players.
Like you said, you mentioned Wilson Chandler and Chris Douglas Roberts.
Um, but I remember when I went to go kill the first time I go in the gym.
I remember seeing this guy 6, 10, 696 10.
Lanky handling like a point guard, shooting it like a point guard.
You know, athletic long and you know, having to be Kevin Durant.
You know what I mean? So where I come from, I'm like, man 6 10 dudes they like, get down there.
And they're doing this back to the basket trunk.
Man, this dude was out there playing like me.
You know what I'm saying? So I never I never saw anything like that.
So that was kind of my first introduction to go kill seeing these guys Kevin Durant and Taiwan loss and Jim onboard.
And guys like that, um, you know, I was a confident dude.
Um, but at first going in there, it was like, Man, this, I got to get my game up, You know what I mean? And it helped me, Um, it helped my game.
And I remember, uh, you know, just going through that year, it was like a college schedule, you know what I mean? It was were traveling all around the country.
Um, you know, the attention we're getting from the media and outside, like we had k d and tied.
So they're getting Nike reps coming in every week, sending shoes and, you know, getting media requests That slam and Dime magazine.
You talked about the diary? So, um, it was it was like college before college.
So that really prepped me going into Syracuse.
Like, man, I'm already playing on a college team.
Like we could we could the peace with some teams right now at that level, we were that we were that talented, You know what I mean? Um, so I mean, it was awesome.
The whole experience, man being able to go there.
It was out in the middle of nowhere.
But you was there to play basketball.
That was the focus.
Like, that's what Steve Smith, the greatest high school coach of all time, you know, to be able to have all those guys.
And it's like, it's like when you have, you know, you have all those superstars and you have all those egos, like, now he has to do it at that level, You know what I mean? And he's been doing it for so long.
Uh, it was cool to see how he just does it with ease.
And, uh, he never seem to get mad.
So my whole overall experience there Uh huh.
It was it was good for me.
It was super beneficial, you know, for me going to Syracuse.
So, Steve Smith was ableto, you know, pull you from Michigan and come down.
Oh, kill, buy into the whole environment down there.
Which was really tough, honest, especially for a high school kid.
Now, how was how was it your transition going from O kill? How is Coach Boeheim able to get you to come up to the hill where we all you know, you You still live up there? So obviously you love Syracuse.
But what was so special? And how is Coach Boeheim able to pull you from from Okay, I'll and Michigan.
Well, so now you gotta know this.
Before I went Tokyo, I was already committed.
You know, I went to Michigan's I committed to Michigan State.
Um really a reason. Yeah.
I was committed to Michigan State my sop****re year And the reason so I wasn't getting recruited, obviously by anybody at the time.
I was at the Michigan State game in 2003, the national championship here when queues wanted and they played at the present center in Michigan State.
I was at the game, committed the Michigan State, and this is you know, I've seen Melo and G Mac and Hack and JP and all those guys and, you know, getting up and down and playing.
And I'm like, ****, I was at the game with my AU coach at the time.
I was like, ****, man, these do I like how they play.
That's how I play.
You know what I mean? That's I'd like to get up and down and get in transition and play like that.
So I remember it wasn't but at the time, you got to know at the time the best players in the state that either went to Michigan and Michigan State, You know what I mean? Like, and I was I was I was the top player in the state in my class at that time.
So and that's what I guess I want to say I wasn't influenced to do it, but I guess I was just That's what we're doing at that time.
You know what I'm saying? But when I see when I gotta, you know, tasting Syracuse and seeing how they play, I'm like, ****, we gotta We gotta see what's up with this man? We got to see what's up with you.
I was telling my you go.
So I had decommitted decommitted called coaches.
Oh, and told him he wasn't.
He wasn't happy about that at the time.
Um, but I called him and told him 16.
He was like, Man, this this might be the worst decision you make.
He said that to me.
I'm like, Dang, I'm thinking of myself. I'm like that.
I got a lot more.
I got a lot more.
You know what I'm saying? Bad decisions to make, but But, uh, So I did that.
And then, um, my AU coach remember, he reached out to Syracuse? There's nobody was recruit recruiting me at the time.
Didn't Nobody knew I was gonna de commit called them.
They came down to Detroit the next week at my AU practice coach behind.
And at the time Coach Weaver was was the assistant Troy Weaver came down Detroit.
Denby, watch me practice after practice.
Offered me a scholarship on the spot right there.
And I remember coaches like you want to count, and I'm like, on I'm like, yeah, and I'm like, Yeah, no question in him and coach, we've, um They were awesome, man.
And and I was orange from them.
You know what I mean? Like I fell in love with it at Michigan State when I was committed.
You know, I'm saying that's the effect it had on me.
I'm glad I made that decision.
Well, that's powerful, man.
That that we were ableto dissuade you while you already committed to Michigan State added Michigan State game.
But watching Syracuse get up and down, you just like that's where I really want to play.
That's what's up so way already know, like which game you probably get asked about the most is probably the six overtime game, right? And the fact that, like 61 minutes that game and you know you you left your heart out on that on the floor.
And the reason why the Syracuse fans myself included.
We love that game because we wanted.
Now, if we had lost that game, it's the worst game never played.
I mean, who wants to talk about the game you lost? But the reason why the Syracuse fans we love talking about it so much is because we won the game.
So take us through that game, take us through how you're feeling your recovery just just dive deep into that whole experience because that really wasn't experience.
I remember the guy out front.
So, like almost 20,000 shirts made, like almost $400,000 within, like, a couple of hours of the six overtime shirt.
So I mean, it's just hole.
It was like a movement, that whole thing.
So and unfortunately, I was supposed to go to that game, ended up not going, So I ended up not being there in person, but also, I watched every second of it at the house.
But please dive deep into that game for the Yeah, I would.
First off, I mean, you never hear you can't talking about it.
I mean, never like, you know what I'm saying? They're never gonna bring it up.
And actually, so, like you said, we wouldn't be talking about either like that if we lost.
So, uh, but I mean that that whole game, you know, it was set up for some magical stuff that happen.
Like New York City, Madison Square Garden, Big East tournament, playing against your rival in UConn.
Coach Calhoun Virgin behind.
They really don't like.
They really don't like each other like that.
Just to be honest, you know what I mean? E.
I don't want to interrupt you, but they almost came to blows when I was, like, my sop****re year in college.
But go ahead with your story.
No, no. I mean, you know that.
Like you said, it's it was really bad, man.
It was a real rivalry, really.
I mean, we didn't like each other.
It was really remember earlier.
So earlier in that year, we played down at Connecticut in stores.
We play that stores. So we didn't play in Harford.
We played in store right there where their campuses like Boom.
Then that's what Calhoun does when he tried to get the advantage.
Because And he put your tickets way up top.
Yeah, they did that to us.
Are my junior year, man.
I'm telling you.
And then and then I remember in that game I was at the free throw line.
And to be like this with his elbows out like this, and I'm you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, man, don't you know? Come on, just be cool.
You boxed me out, but you ain't going? He gonna look at me at the free throw line, Look at me like, and then when you go, he went boom and right in my right in my face.
You know what I'm saying? So, like, the rivalry was, like, deep, like, you know what I'm saying? Because stuff like that was happening, You know what I'm saying? So, like I said, everything was set up for it.
And and I just remember going through that game, it was super competitive, you know, going head to head with a J. Price.
And, you know, they had those obviously to be and Jeff, Adrian Craig All Street.
But, I mean, we had myself and J.
I didn't think anybody was it didn't matter who we were playing against.
You know what I'm saying? So, uh, but But I just remember going back and forth the whole game and then just big shot after big shot and, you know, obviously the, um the shot that didn't count, But but I tell everybody like, I'm glad it happened that way because we wouldn't really be talking about it like how we are.
It was just been a regular game winning shot.
You know what I mean? But I tell everybody it was a set up for the drama.
You know what I'm saying? Like that was like, that was, like, the beginning of something like you. Like, Dang.
Okay, what a way to start it now finish it with 60 T.
So I just remember after that calming down, getting, you know, getting back down and coming back down the life because that was crazy moment that was out of body experience at the garden.
I got to stand up in the middle of the table with the garden and and say whatever I want.
You know what I'm saying? Like, I think about that sometimes.
And I'm like, and that picture that that picture, you know, Mom's got it right there in the in the living room at the house, like man, no doubt.
But, um, And then just going into those overtimes like Andy hitting big shots, you know, Johnny making plays Paul making place.
Everybody had a part.
You know what I'm saying? That was that's what kind of made it even more special because everybody had a part in it, You know, one through whatever it was one through 10. 1 through 11.
We had to walk on. Come on, J T.
He came on and had to get some minutes towards and find ways running out of bodies. Right.
So So So so really? That was like, that was super special because everybody had a part of it.
Um, and and then I just remember after the game, um, we were still kind of like, ****, we didn't really know what it was until we've seen it become ESPN classic like, the half an hour later.
It was It was on ESPN Classic.
You know what I mean? Uh, that's when we kind of news like, Oh, that's this'll is different.
This was this was a different game.
And and we we went to the diner.
Me ao shout out my guy.
L got this gear on right now.
Yeah, shut up, my man.
That was my roommate for four years.
I remember going to the diner with him, and they were clapping for us like this when we walked in.
Because they do.
They knew what time it was.
They seem the 6 10 dude and then and then I was walking in they knew.
You know what I mean? It was about 2.
33 o'clock because, you know, game get done at 1. 30.
Coach talking to us.
We're talking to media.
Then you know, Shower do all that.
We go across three o'clock.
They gave a sustaining innovation.
I remember that.
We see it on ESPN Classic, and then we get right into the ice bath and and then and then the next day, we play in ot again.
Verse, verse, West Virginia.
You know what I'm saying? So shout out to all the strength conditioning trainers because they had this on point ice back right after the game.
Got us ready for a little, um, stretch and recovery after and go right back in the battle against West Virginia.
So not only the 60 T.
Game, but that whole tournament run was special.
You know what I mean? And and for me, too, because at the time I had broke, I broke the the scoring record for the Big East tournament.
You know, I'm saying that I think it was like at 90 point and then Kemba came through and smashed crazy like can't.
They ended up getting, like, 1 30 or something.
You know what I'm saying? But but at the time.
But at the time I got I got to say that, you know what I mean? I got the hold that down for a second, but but but no, that whole, that whole tournament was what special man? And obviously the 60 T.
You know, what's the topper? And speaking of scoring, Ah, lot of people, you know, especially of the Syracuse ilk.
We speak of Billy Owens because he only played three years of what he could have did if he played his fourth year lately.
He only played three years.
Um, you know what would have been if he played for? But a lot of people sometimes forget you only played three of you know of, you know you were therefore, but play three.
And if you if you have got that extra year, if you came back and to play the extra you have been in a conversation to be, you know, you have been definitely around Lawrence Mountains.
Uh, scoring record.
So how does it feel to be your 14th on the list now.
Um, you know, everyone was saying ties battle.
He should have came back because you might have called Lawrence, But you're ahead of ties battle, and you only played three years.
So how do you feel about being 14th on the list of such a such a prestigious school? A and B? What do you feel like you would have done if you came back for that one year? What do you think you would have caught my boy, Lawrence.
You know, I got to say, Yeah.
You know, I got to say, I think you know what, And I'd be lying if I didn't say I did all the math and all that.
If I came back, I didn't needed scored average 17 8 or something like that.
And but it would have been my last year.
So I have been trying to go out with a bang to you know what I mean? So I would have.
It's not like I would have been thinking about it, but, um, I definitely going to try to go get my buckets just doing how I do.
But just, you know, I was fortunate man to come in and have and have Coach Boeheim give me that light to like and and that freedom to, like, go ahead like he not a lot of coaches allow you to play through mistakes and learn from them.
They you make one mistake and then they just snatching you out and putting you down, like and you could even talk about the other night.
You know, you see Joe Girardi struggling the whole game, the whole game Coach had that confidence in them to be able to keep them in and make a big shot.
And it happened.
You know what I'm saying? So, like, that's what Coach did they with me.
Like he really He gave me a long leash, man.
So I was fortunate enough, Teoh, you know, have him and still that instill that confidence in me to go ahead and play.
And that just gave me work out.
You know what I'm saying? And and, uh, it feels good, man to be ableto be with Cem top notch names, you know, and obviously yourself.
Derrick Coleman, Lawrence G.
Um, you know, that's that's that's top five.
That's that's legendary like, um so like it humbles me to even be like in that category.
You know what I'm saying? Like cause I'm from a small city based cities small like, you know, I think I was to Division one players and ever to be out there in history, like in football and basketball.
You know what I'm saying? Like it's to ever in the history.
Like I think we had three football players.
You know what I'm saying? Like come out.
But not not not basketball man.
And like I think when I came on, it was the first got it really like, man, they took basketball seriously in my city.
So to come from there and then be mentioned Thio, you know guys in that category like it's surreal to me, man.
It's honor its honor for sure.
No, e you you played alongside some great Syracuse players during your four years up on the hill.
Three years of actual plane.
Lett's always note that, um, would you say Johnny Flynn was probably your the best all around player teammate that you play with because I mean, he went number six in the draft.
But the second half of that question sort of sort of is.
Johnny Flynn kinda gets the, you know he went before Steph Curry.
So he's always kind of linked to, like, How did he go before Steph Curry? Now people crushed him or whatever talk bad about him because, you know, how did you? He went for Steph Curry but didn't have the kind of career that Steph Curry had, obviously.
But the bottom line is, you win sixth.
And you know if if you know, if you do what you're supposed to do with your money in your life, he's gonna be all right.
So there's there's there's no need toe.
Be worried about Johnny Flynn.
He's good, you know what I mean? But it's kind of like you get this this knock for not being a zoo.
Good auras, playing as long as you thought he should have played because he played 33 years.
Some people say that about me because I only played seven.
But those seven years were beautiful years for me, and I'm and it's still paying me to this day.
Those seven years.
So it's not how long you play is what you do with those years Thio set yourself up for the future.
So with that being said, um, was Johnny Flynn a your your best teammates? So to speak and be do you think is fair the way he gets unfairly compared to his career career To Steph Curry's career? Yeah, that's unfair.
First, really unfair because he got hurt, you know? I mean, he was hurt the whole time he was playing and it was his hip.
And it was It was an injury at that time that it was tough to come back from and, you know, he kept playing through it, so it might have made it worse.
But, um the most competitive dude that I've ever played with, you know what I'm saying? And him and G Mac like that, that competitive, they both were the same.
But Johnny was just obviously ultra talented man like, as far as like he had, God guess within.
When you add that dog into it like it's like a whole nother place, he he one of the best.
He's probably one of the best point guards ever.
You know what I'm saying in my mind.
And he should if he didn't get hurt.
He'd be a MBA officer right now.
Like that's what type of game yet like, Mm.
You know, I mean, he's probably the hardest first one of the hardest person I ever played against in my life.
You know, what I'm saying? Is faras um, regard standpoint like he was a not.
He was just relentless on top of being a dog on top of being good.
You know what I'm saying? Let me let me interrupt you real quick, because what people don't understand that home with Obviously what I understand is that at Syracuse, when you when you're playing like we have guards group, we have 1/4 group, and then we have the big men in the centers, but within those group is a lot of one on one.
So you you get a chance to really know who's better.
Like Coach Boeheim sets it up like that for a reason.
You know? Especially when I was in school, like man, it was a lot of one on one, and at the end of the day, you knew who was better.
So you basically you're saying you and Johnny Flynn was in a lot of one on one situation during these drills.
Right? Ah, lot of one on one.
A lot of two on 23 on three and then, you know, hop.
He gassing it up.
Are you gonna let all You gonna let him? Do you like that? Are you gonna keep? You're gonna let him go with you like that? Oh, Eric.
So he already making me feel And then Johnny? Same way.
Same thing with Johnny.
So, like which man? Come on.
It's times where we had each other's throats like this.
Like right here.
Like this at each other.
Like, ready to go ahead and, like, you know, we ready to get it in, like that's it.
But that's the competitive nature that great players have.
You know, I'm saying, like people and sometimes people can get can get it misunderstood.
You know what I mean? But and the thing about John Iwas and I'm all for it, I love it like he's gonna let you know he's gonna talk to you about he's gonna make a shot and just like, yeah, yeah, like he's gonna He's gonna get at you like and let you know, like and I love that, and I fed off that.
So as a teammate, I fed off that I'm like like he don't when he dunked on somebody like that and I see how he looked like It makes me want to do something good.
You know what I'm saying? Like that's so if we're looking at it from that way, it is.
He's making his teammates better by doing that.
You know what I'm saying? If you taking it like that and I was the type of player who took it like that, I loved it, You know what I'm saying? So he was He was like, that was like having me that my twin Like, I'm like that.
I do. I love that.
You know what I'm saying? So in my mind, one of the greatest competitors and Syracuse history and he would have been a n b a All star.
He'd have been going at these guards head right now if he was.
I'm telling you like I mean, I'm not I'm not.
I'm 33 I've seen a lot of hoops, but my man is just straight out.
He had it, man, like he had everything.
And you know how dudes is talented, but they like they don't got that.
They don't got any dog.
No killer in them.
They just, you see, do float and he just be like he do He talented, but he just he didn't got that killer or something.
You gotta have in you already.
And you know, I mean, you can't really teach that.
And like, he had that, like, he had that man, that was that was big.
Now we're gonna we're gonna talk about something that's very tough, even for myself.
And painful because I remember talking to you the day of or the day before you injured your knee.
You're gonna come down thio Rochester, because, you know, we like, like, like like you said before you.
You know, I treat anybody accused with love, and, you know, we had a special bond.
So you come down, hang out at my house and all that in Rochester.
So we had talked about you coming down after the game and all that, and I remember watching the game, and I remember you're going up and coming down, and, um, you know, obviously, when you went to the back.
We didn't know what it was, but we were obviously hoping for the best.
And when you found out when we found out, you know, the whole Syracuse nation, I mean, way we're feeling it for you, man.
That you when you told your a c l.
Um because, you know, obviously, no matter who you are that that it kind of derailed your career a little bit like I don't care how great you are when you when you tell you a c L.
It's really, really tough to come back from.
So, you know, obviously from a basketball standpoint, we were feeling bad for you, you know, like because you had such, you know, you on the lips of MBA GM at the time.
Um, you're 17 points a game or so one combo guard played one or two efficient score.
You know, lock down, remember, you just come down thio Rochester and playing the hood with us and get it e.
I love So So let's let's let's talk about, you know, I know it is painful.
Let's talk about what do you feel your career would have been without that injury A and B.
Um, you know, obviously you're doing well in life now.
And, you know, whatever those things that you go through life make you the person and the man you are today.
So some, in some ways you wish you're happy you went through certain things because it makes you who you are today, right? But let's talk about where you are today.
And are you at peace with your basketball career? I mean, that's a good question, man.
Like, do I look back and be like, man, I wish it would have been like this.
Sometimes I think everybody do.
That's just how this is how the mind works, right? It goes back to that.
Like I could have did this.
I could have came back and broke this scoring record.
You know what I'm saying? But everything happens for a reason.
And like, everybody's journey is their own right.
Like, things happen.
And, um, that's what shapes you as a person and what makes you as a person.
So, um, you know everything that I went through with the a c l.
Um, you know, and getting all that support I got from Cuba I remember a man going in the back right away and just it was my whole leg burning.
I knew I knew something, you know? And then when you find out when when you find out the results like, yeah, I was crying like I'm like, this is what this means so much to me.
E like you felt like you said I was on. I was on a roll.
I was feeling good, like E was playing well, and I was feeling good, like coach.
Like I said earlier, Coach was giving me that green light to do my thing.
Go ahead and just, um so, yeah, it was tough at the time, but, um, and made me dio what I am now, and and my relationship with coaches is unbelievable.
You know what I'm saying? And I got to do stuff in the community and, uh, you know, help people out in the community that helped me.
So, um, you know, we could look back and say what if And sometimes it's okay to do that because it just is what it is okay to do that.
I like doing it sometimes.
I couldn't because I was like that, you know, But, um, and I still got something to take.
You know, that job.
I just come on, man, Like, I wish you see that the TV T every summer, man.
And, you know, I'd be at your bone every summer, man.
Like, why don't you go back, head and go overseas Or some man? Because you are here giving these guys who are getting paid the business every summer.
You're not even playing year round.
I know you're working out and doing this, but like you're not even doing it like them.
You're not like you're not entrenched in it like you used to be.
Imagine if you did that.
So that's why we'd be saying, man, you know, go ahead and go back overseas because I know you can drop 2025 on anybody on any country in the united in the world.
And that's that's the thing, too.
Because, like, I just love to do it like the money is I love and, you know, I'm gonna make sure I'm good.
You know what I mean? I'm gonna make sure the fam good, but I love to do it.
Like, let these young dudes no still like, even at the queues, like All right, But I'm gonna show you it.
But then I'm gonna go ahead and do it to you.
You know what I'm saying? Like because eso it and I love it.
Like like you said, I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go down the neighborhood and Rochester and play or down in the queues like I just love the hoop Man.
I love the hoop, like so on.
That's what nowadays like, it's some people just doing it because it looked good and what you're gonna get from it when I was growing up, not even knowing what all this is like.
You know what I'm saying? Like so I just love the hoop every day, so don't get out there.
Everybody don't get it twisted.
Eric, you know, the game has been great to both of us, you know is taking us all over the world.
Um, you know, you've played in New Zealand.
You played in, uh, grease.
You played all over the world.
The basketball is taking you like that.
That one ball and that love for that ball in the work ethic and all those hours that you put in is been able to take you all over the world.
Can you Can you speak on that a little bit? How the basketball has led you, Thio place you? Never.
Because, like you said you from Bay City, Michigan, you never thought you'd see, you know, New Zealand and all these extraordinary parts of the of the world that it has to show us.
And you're able to do that through basketball, can you? Speaking at a little bit? I mean, basketball done so much from it.
I mean, even from a young age like a u, I was able to go from, like, Los Angeles, Houston, New York, like stuff like that at a young age, you know, playing a you.
So so now, playing professionally and being ableto travel the world and get paid to do it.
It's a really I'm taking a vacation, playing basketball.
I'm getting paid.
You know what I'm saying? Like obviously it's situations are different overseas.
Um, you know what? Everybody But I was fortunate enough to experience like New Zealand Australia, two of the best countries in the world. Unbelievable.
I've still keep in touch with those with those people to this day.
Uh, and then I was, you know, I was in Ukraine.
So I mean, like you said, I'm from Bay City like e get to see, I get to go travel the world and see different cultures.
Like you know what that did for me.
You know what I'm saying? As a person, Like, I opened my mind up to something to a whole different level.
You know what I'm saying? Like how does, like, you know, how many people we know that just never be They go on vacation, Thio, Rochester, Syracuse.
You know what I'm saying? Or like, you know what I'm saying? Like, people haven't been been off by out of days out of a street or or whatever it may be out of a city.
So, like, it did wonders for me, like it opened up a whole another light.
You know what I'm saying? Like and now I'm talking different.
You know what I'm saying? Now? I'm having different conversations.
So, people, that's how you gotta look at it.
Young fellas, like if you if you like, it's OK.
It's not over if you don't go to lead, go overseas and had experience network, meet those people and start having those different conversations like because this is a life changer, man.
And you know what I'm saying? You know, from experience like you, you know, you went overseas and played in Italy.
And and, uh, yeah, right.
So like, Come on, man, that that za once in a lifetime experience and that's how you gotta look at it.
You got to go over there with an open mind.
You can't go over there.
Just thinking like this is what it's gonna be.
Uh, I'm not gonna adapt to what they You're going to where they live.
You know what I'm saying? So I was fortunate enough to have some great experiences, man.
Well, let's keep it.
Let's keep your mind there.
Let's talk about some of those experiences.
What were some of the best moments you had on or off the court before you came back to Syracuse toe? Ultimately, you know, settle down and, you know, obviously you're on the coaching staff for many.
Then you went toe coach in Detroit.
So let's let's talk about some of your best moments before you actually came back.
I mean, just, you know, being being overseas, my daughter is being able to go on experience, that being able to go to New Zealand in Australia and in New Zealand going to see all the beaches and, like, you know, stuff that you wouldn't see over here.
You know what I'm saying? Like it z Ah, whole different, a whole different world and then living in Melbourne, you know, downtown right there.
But the other side is the beach.
You know what I'm saying? And experience in there, figuring out what footy and cricket is, You know what I mean? Just just different sports.
And, um, you know, I had so many good experience and then and then I lived in Ukraine, was like it was way different.
Now it's like Eastern Europe, where that's like, Okay, maybe it's not how I really wanna live, But it's an experience, You know what I'm saying? Like E remember Living e remember living in the building? But every day it was a line outside.
It was a train right outside my building that just ran on.
And it was a line outside every day like 2468 Like people going to work on.
I'm like it was like, assembly line type thing.
So, like just having those experiences or stopping like in the middle of a village of nowhere and everything is only fish, they only selling fish everywhere.
Dry fish hanging.
And I'm like that.
What is that smell? You know, I'm saying it like you get off.
It's like a fish dealer.
So it's like, you know, whoever would have thought I would have had those experiences.
I'm walking in the middle of Ukraine in Kiev.
Crane at night? Yeah, I'm from I'm from Michigan.
Basically Michigan, Like I'm gonna other side of the world.
I'm in Beijing, China, for three weeks with a, uh, in a pre season tournament.
When I played in Australia, we flew to China like we played against Spain.
It's, you know, basketball is is unbelievable.
And to be ableto, you know, have that brought so many of these experiences to me.
Never would've thought of it in my whole life.
You know what I mean.
So you know, you play.
You had a great career because any time you play pro ball, it's a great career.
People don't realize how hard it is to become a professional at anything, sort of t say you had a professional career.
Multiple years all over the world made good money.
Um, congratulations to that.
Like that's it is really hard.
So you're you're pro player.
But now you go from being a pro player, and immediately you going come into the coaching world, which you know, just like myself.
You go from being one of the best in the world to being one of the worst because you know, your your new your new coach.
I was a new business man.
So learning curve that you had toe be prepared for it.
So, uh, can you speak about your transition from going from being a basketball player to being a coach at Syracuse and then eventually Detroit? Well, you know, I wanted whatever I do.
I always wanted to stay in the game.
I love I love basketball.
I want to stay doing and I love to get back.
I love to help out.
So you put those two things together, you got coaching.
You know what I mean, um, giving back through the game and showing these young guys Ah, you know, the same stuff, the same experiences that I went through.
And like you said, you got to start from level one.
So really sit down and humble myself and be a sponging.
What better guy to learn from than coach behind all the favor? I'm able to sit in all the meetings, all the team coaches, meetings, the film breakdowns, all that and just to see him kind of, you know, do his thing and going to work.
It's like it is humbling, You know what I mean? So ah, I learned a lot from that man from those those two years on staff.
Oh, it made the transition much better.
You know, um, being able to come back from to my alma mater and coach again.
Bless me with that opportunity, man.
I'm telling you, like he's a he's a loyal dude and really helped me out.
Looked out for me.
And before that, I had I came back and finished up my degree.
Um, so I got I was I was actually a year there already, um, taking school like going to classes Dub. I was going like, regular.
I was I was going out to that man because I had to do the same thing.
I know how hard that is to come back and get get that degree.
So shout out to you for that because I know that journey myself.
Hey, look, I was going, like, backpack like this.
Like on going into shine.
I might get me a breakfast sandwich or something.
Give me a break and then going and then going to class like I was really doing it Like it.
But but now, I mean, I'm in the front, you know what I'm saying? I'm in the front of the class is like, really taking it serious.
And but yeah, I did all that before coming back to coaching.
And, um, man, it was It was awesome, man Thio to see, like, the help.
And then those kids translated Thio learning to the track to the court like what you told him like it was a good feeling was a better feeling than really seeing than than doing it myself.
You know what I'm saying? Like when you help somebody when you help somebody and you see him do it.
It's like, Man, that's that feel good, man.
Like, because he makes them feel good.
And then and then the ultimate goal really dub is for them.
They want to do that for somebody else.
You know what I'm saying? Like so now, altruism? Exactly.
No question, like no question.
It's just a chain effect, you know what I mean? So I'm trying to do this for you.
So you could do if somebody else so he could do it.
Somebody else, you know, I mean, that's that's what your whole long term thinking is.
You know? I mean, and I think if you think like that, too, then you already putting it out there now, every every cues alarm that I know love Syracuse.
You know, we're still connected to the community.
We're still heavily involved with Syracuse people.
Syracuse Network yourself included, but your involvements a little bit deeper because not only are you living in Syracuse and you, you know, obviously get back and all that, you know, you're your philanthropy ways the water you're doing out in Detroit and all that.
Well, let's let's talk about Boeheim's Army because, like, way spoke about it briefly earlier.
That's something that you're a part of every summer you've been on.
I'm pretty sure you've been on every team.
So how did it start? And can you please give the listeners at home some type of inside that.
So when you think we have a chance to win it all and, uh, it depends on the team and depend on how the year goes, I might I might just get back in shape to come in and give you all, like, five or 10 minutes or something in the game or something, man.
I would like to hear about the Harvard starting what you feel about us winning it all.
Well, you can't say I didn't reach out to you because, you know, I reach out to you before so you can't say, Come on.
Now, you know that you was first right away.
I had to hit you up.
So But I mean, playing in the Boeheim's army.
That special man, the TV T first.
I've done a great job of getting that tournament together and how they run it like that.
Z top notch in the competition is the competition is high level, high level, you know, like former pros.
N b a guy you see Joe Johnson playing this year.
This dude is a you know, he's an all star.
He was a former all star and probably probably should still be in the n b A.
And besides that, you got guys, um, who are making their names off this tournament playing good, You know what I mean? So, um, it's fun every year to come back and play with guys that maybe play before you were played after you and mhm and that kind of really shows like what Syracuse is in a nutshell.
You know what I'm saying? Like how? How, how much that family environment in that culture goes into it with having coach name.
And, you know, having all that support around like it's like a game like you.
I feel like I'm playing that Syracuse again.
You know what I mean? Like it's faras how, like when we had the fans and how they treated it, like, remember, we're in, Um, when we made that Final Four run, we were we went through Brooklyn and and we play that allow you allow you? I think it waas allow you broke.
Yeah, allow you, Brooklyn.
So we played there.
In the whole, it was all you know, it was all Syracuse.
It was all orange and, man, that it was like a riel, you know, on the feeling What? It took me back, You know what I'm saying? And it gave me a different type of energy, man.
So, um, there's nothing like playing in front of Syracuse fans in the dome for them to bring Boeheim's army and make it feel like that.
And we were right there.
We were right there.
We had that. We should have won that man we should weigh.
You know, I'm upset every time we lose, but, um, we gotta keep We gotta find that this next summer.
Man, we got to see what what we can get.
We gotta get some fresh young legs and some guys who who could really score that ball.
And when you could give it to somebody, like, go ahead, give me a bucket, You know what I mean? And then and then everybody else kind of We need a couple of them one or two of them and just everybody else could fill in.
And do they roll? You know what I mean? Way got to find that right, That right mix.
You know, we had it.
We had it a few times.
I think we fell short and underachieved a couple of times, but let's not go.
But with the man now it's almost impossible to talk about 2020 or anything in 2020 without talking about Kobe 19, the pandemic and all that.
Um, a lot of people were, you know, we were talking earlier before we went on air about how you know, you just we've had to learn how to pivot, um, in terms of the business and work, whatever you're doing.
You know, if something shut down trying to open up another avenue, trying to create other opportunities for yourself and you know another's.
And I saw you on ESPN, you're talking about how you know you're still working with kids and coaching and all that.
How are you able to get the whole Twitter coaching thing rolling? And and are you gonna keep doing it? Even once this kind of subsides a little bit.
The pandemic quarantine so at first, Like it was me just going outside, dribbling like, man, I need to get outside man like this Drew my No, I'm driving everybody crazy.
You know what I mean? They driving me crazy, but it was just me getting outside.
And then I started to re record myself doing it.
Just all the stuff I used to do when I was a kid, you know? I mean or stuff I learned along the way started recording it and putting it out there.
Just, you know, just regular stuff.
You know, it helps, um, kids at that time because I know everybody was in the house really looking for stuff to do.
And I was like, Alright, let me do this.
Let me put it out there and just, uh, you know, see what happens.
And they kind of took on a lot of his own, like you got You got a lot of attention.
Like you said that ESPN put out an article about it, and I was having coaches from, you know, Texas, California, Florida reach out to me about it, Just sick, and they send and I send them drills for their kids and and stuff like that.
So it made me happy to know that, you know, it was helping out people during this time.
You know, especially, you know, when there's not a lot going on.
I haven't been doing it this much, you know, But, um, in the beginning, it really was.
It really was rolling for a little bit, you know? And I was fortunate enough to bye have a platform to use it where I could really get it out there, you know? And, uh, you know, I'm glad to help out.
How about people? And for those of you are searching for some workouts or lessons that e d 23 hoops dot com e d 23 hoops dot com.
So you got that rolling, You got that started, Um, and you know, during the pandemic and all that And, you know, basically is like, if you were in school or college player you were you have been able to kind of generate some type of revenue for you because, as we know, everyone thinks you're you're on college campus and you've got all this money.
But there there are definitely sometimes on that campus when you're not flowing with money.
And I think the biggest misconception is, um, you know, when college athletes get a full scholarship is people don't realize, Yeah, I'm grateful and appreciative of the full scholarship that you you've given me.
But now I'm I'm in the throes off all this influence.
And if you don't have the influence to keep up, you fill out of out of place a little bit, you know, because there were certain definitely definite, definite times where I just was like, you know, I'm just gonna chill at home because I didn't have the money.
And obviously, you know, people always look out for being an athlete.
You know, we're very blessed and fortunate people always trying to buy a strength, meals and all that stuff up, up, up on the hill.
But there are certain times where I just wanted my own, and if I didn't have it, I just stay home.
So how do you feel about the N. C.
You know, kind of open up that Pandora's box, so to speak, in terms of California being able to start generating some revenue for college athletes, I think that's gonna, you know, kind of spread.
How do you feel about that? I mean, I'm bored, you know? I'm saying I'm for I think, you know, they shouldn't be limited to what they could do if they're if they're value.
Is that you know what I mean? Like, let him get that.
You know what I mean? It should.
It should have been like that, you know, for from a while ago.
I mean, I wish I had that.
I wish you you know, I mean, you wish you would've had that.
You know what I mean? So but But I think the big thing is now you gotta educate them when they do get it.
How? How to properly use it.
You know what I'm saying? That's that's the big thing.
And like what to do with it? Because now you're now you're younger and you're getting all you getting this money.
What are you gonna do with it? To make sure you know it benefits you, you know, benefits the people around you.
You know what I mean? So I think that's really the bigger question, but I'm I'm definitely for it.
Now. How do you do it.
How did they, you know, hand the money out? I don't know, You know, that's you know, it's tough to figure out, but it needs to happen, you know? And like I said, the bigger question is we need to educate people and and that should be anyway, like you should know how to do taxes.
And you should know how.
Toe, um, you know, handle your money and do stuff like that and even for me, like I learned later, Like, you know, I'm saying later, like I'm still learning more about it, right? But I wish I would've learned when I was in college.
How to figure that, how I would have been ahead.
You know what I would I would have did some things differently.
So I think that's a huge like for these kids growing up man, like in high school, they should be learning.
I think the the N.
Are trying to work on some program that would have, you know, prospects, so to speak, that would take financial classes, money management classes because, like yourself, I would have definitely benefited from that.
It's hard Thio to know how to manage money when you're in your early twenties.
Because if you really shouldn't, you know, be, you know, tasked with that.
But unfortunately, the in our profession, that's when you make the, uh, you know, a large sum of your money in your early twenties, late twenties.
You just you're not.
You don't have the business a***en yet to handle it.
And, you know, like you said, now that you you handle it now you're not gonna make those whatever mistakes you might have meaning you're 20 you're not gonna make now moving forward.
And that's that's the blessing and itself, you know? But let's talk a little bit about fatherhood and give it back because, you know, you, uh, myself yourself, you know, we we give we do Thanksgiving dinner, give backs, we help the community.
I mentioned earlier how you're doing the water for that was going on out in Flint, Michigan.
Um, why do you feel it's important to give back? Because I know from you, you know, personally that this just something has been a part of you since I've known you wanting to get back and being a part of giving back and part of ah community like Syracuse that that you've come and you've never left your raising your daughters in Syracuse.
Now you live in Syracuse.
That's where you reside.
Um, you know, you went back to Detroit the coach, but you came back to Syracuse.
So it's something special about Syracuse and coach behind brags and talks about how Syracuse people and fans donate more money than all those blue Bloods schools that they try to get.
All those schools, we donate more money.
There's people in Syracuse Air, just riel salt of the Earth people.
So let's let's let's talk about that a little bit.
Why you get back and and how does it feel Thio be raising your daughters up in Syracuse, New York? Well, I mean, first off, just I mean, I think that's what we're here to do to be able to help one another, right? Like that's I'd be selfish if I learned all this stuff and kept it for myself, you know, I mean, instead of instead of instead of giving it, passing it down to the next guy so he could pass it Now, we talked about that passage in that chain effect, so I just want to do that as much as I can, you know? I mean, and I try to do that in different ways and the thing with me, I have a lot of support here in Syracuse and a lot of people that want to help out And I'm grateful and fortunate enough for that, Um to have that the where we could make these things happen.
And then I think a lot of people want to do it, but they don't do it, you know? I mean, that's what anything like, it's a lot of people who want to do it.
But you got to take that action and do it.
And I think I was I was like that at first, too.
I was like, Man, I want to do this.
I want about what? I didn't do it, You know what I'm saying? And when I wrote it down and I did, I wrote everything what I wanted to do.
And then I'm like, I make these calls to make this happen to get these people together around so we could do it and it started happening.
And I'm like, ****, that's it.
That's all I gotta do like, you know.
I mean, I really got to take action with it and, um, the more events we did, it just It was like, Man, we have been a lot of people, is like it's really feel good.
Like like I told you, Like it's like, it's no other feeling like that.
You know what I'm saying? To be able Teoh do that for some people or someone who can't do it for themselves, You know what I mean? And I'm trying t o be trying to inspire other people, do the same thing.
So I'm lucky to be a part of the community and Syracuse who supported me for so long through my ups and downs because I had to learn.
I wasn't Don't trying.
I wasn't even thinking about this when I was going to Syracuse.
We're trying to, you know, I was in my eye, was selfish, you know, I was young.
I was I was playing basketball, thinking I was the man.
You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how that's how I was thinking.
But now I know it's not about that.
It's not about yourself.
It's about bigger than yourself, you know what I mean? It's about helping helping the people around you in your community and trying to make your community better.
And then and then it's one community at a time.
That's what they say, right? Like in that kind of branches out toe, you know, state, country, etcetera.
So, man blessed to be a part of Syracuse man, Uh, and coaches, right.
Like there's nothing like therapy.
Fans like the loyalty and the support.
I mean, come on, done like, you know, we've we've I've met people through you and and, you know, went to dinner with people, you know, meeting them through you.
And it's just like, man, some of the stories and how they feel about it's unreal.
You know what I'm saying? We talked about the 60 T.
And, like, man out there like they know exactly, and and like he said, even your producer, like his dad, his grandpa, his grand, But his dad, his son, his son like his right.
That's what I'm saying.
Like it's like it goes deeper than you really know what I'm saying.
Like a faras like the loyalty and how people feel about it.
You know what I mean, yeah, we're doing giving back.
They put that from basketball to to, you know, the think the stuff that the events that we're doing in the community with that support It's awesome, man.
That's why we've been able to do so much.
No shout out to Syracuse fans being second to none ever.
I mean, they, uh, like just such staunch, staunch supporters of Syracuse players and never waver the never Vassil eight.
They just love us through and through, man.
And you gotta love that on and, you know, being a father myself.
I love toe talk about fatherhood and my my kids and you know, all that stuff.
And that's what you are, you know.
And you know, you have two daughters, and before you know the late great you know Kobe Bryant, you know there's a term that he kind of popular, you know, I don't know if he invented or created or whatever, but the girl's dad.
Yeah, I've seen you tweeted a couple times and all that, but that's what you are.
Can you speak about being a girl's dad? Man, this first of all unreal feeling like just blessed to be able to have two daughters and are healthy.
Um smart, you know? I mean challenging.
You know what I mean? Like, that's that's being a parent is challenging, man.
Like like the most challenging times ever had.
You know what I'm saying? Like that.
Am I doing it the right way? And I make you don't You don't have You don't have boys.
And, you know, my daughters they definitely challenged expressed my oldest daughter, Nia.
She definitely you know, she challenges me.
But, uh, you know, when you have when you have boys, you have Ah, you know, you can compare him a little bit.
And I know to you, you're like girls air, so dope.
Boys are a little easier, I think.
But you know, you you and you love him a little different.
You know what I'm saying? But that the love that a girl that your daughter gives you, man, there's nothing like it.
And I know you know that.
No, that z different and really like girls.
Not easy for me.
Like I mean, my 10, my 12 year old, she like man, she she's going at me.
She test me, huh? Like she coming back at me, you know? But the thing is, I look back and like you learn patients as a parent, you gotta you learn how to be more patient, more.
You gotta be super patient because you know, they're gonna do it again.
And again, again, You know what I mean? So but it was me, like she's me when I was a kid.
You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what I was.
My mom would tell me like that's what you would do.
Like, you weren't listening either, you know? I mean, so, like, she got you in like, she got you in her.
So it's challenging man 12 and 10, and but it's a blessing, man.
Just again to see them grow up in and learn And, uh, you know, see them, you know, socially interact with their friends and how they are.
You know, they ain't 7th and 5th grade now.
So, like, it's like, let's go by fast, man.
They go by fast like fast and enjoy it.
That's what I'm saying, just really trying to enjoy.
And this times when I get upset and frustrated, Yeah, but I try to hop out of it real quick and get back into my Yeah.
I mean, I'm unfortunate to have that.
You know what I'm saying? So Mhm.
First of all, I want to thank you for coming on the show today, but we're not done yet.
You just want to thank you for coming on power for it.
Really appreciate you your time.
And I wanna give you a little shout out on your podcast scores tape that you've been you've been doing.
I'm sure we're gonna be having a lot of the same guest.
Uh, you've already had Coach hop on Jerry, then the coach Boeheim.
But I'm I'm going to the better half of the Boeheim family.
I'm gonna have Julianne with me.
I'm going to Julie.
Ralph, you know, but tell the fans out there in the listeners.
Ah, a little bit about your podcast scores table.
So, um, Jeff Goodman and robbed out.
So they actually, they started the network field of 68 they reached out to me.
Um, they're actually doing They got, like, a whole bunch of different colleges.
Old bunch of older players.
Um you know, doing their podcast for their former colleges.
Gonzaga, Dan **** out Indiana age.
A guy in, uh, Sherman Williams, North Carolina.
Um, you know myself with Syracuse.
So, um, it was like it was a cool opportunity, and I never did anything like it.
And so I was like, You know what again? I want to do something that make me uncomfortable and and kinda and see if I could get this thing.
You know what I mean? Um, it's been cool, man.
It's been really cool.
I had, you know, like you said, Coach Boeheim, Hot G. Mac.
I had Paul Harris, and then I actually just did, uh, Fianna, um, the point guard on the women's team.
I just, uh I interviewed her last night, and, you know, she has awesome.
He has awesome story.
So and then I'm getting you a sap.
I need to get you a c.
I need I'm gonna talk to Lawrence, and then I want to get you and and I want to get everybody.
Man, I want to get around to everybody.
I'm just enjoying it, man.
Like like we're doing now, man. We're just kicking back.
You know, talking about whole S U memories and stuff like that.
So that's what it's about.
That's really what it's about, my brother.
Thanks again for coming on, man.
On my on my show Powerful Catch it every Tuesday Live on SportsCastr Catch it on Wednesdays on Spotify and Apple And next week I'll have, like I said, the better Boeheim half I have Julie Boeheim coming on next week.
Eric wanted Thank you so much, my brother.
Appreciate your time and all your energy and everything else.
And, uh, let me know if you need anything.
We're gonna definitely gonna building your show scores table because I am a score.
So I gotta be on there.
But, you know, you already know that.
Come on, the fourth today.
And you know, we'll set that up really soon, my brother.
Alright, man, I appreciate you.
I appreciate you having me, man.
Thank you. Peace.