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00:00:12
Hello, everybody.
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Welcome into the Livestream here.
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We're talking about the Utah Jazz.
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Should they trade Rudy Gobert? That's something that is explodes.
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A discussion that's exploding on social media right now, especially if you follow the Utah Jazz.
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But it's also making a bit of noise nationally, so I'll give you guys my thoughts on that.
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Um, just to set up this show names Austin Facer I am the sole proprietor of Gnosis Sports is the No Sis, uh, sports livestream here on SportsCastr dot com.
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Um, but anyway, let's let's get right into it.
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Let's talk about the the the discussion that is all over social media.
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It's all over Instagram.
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It's all over Twitter.
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It's on Reddit.
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It's It's making waves nationally as well.
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So I think it's something something that's really exciting.
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Um, so let me let me just submit a poll question here.
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Should the jazz trade Rudy Gobert Choice number one is Yes, Trust number two is no.
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Okay, So that that's the only gonna be up for 60 seconds.
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I'm gonna refresh it.
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I'm gonna go again later on.
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Hopefully as I provide Mawr and Mawr and Mawr persuasive arguments which I'm gonna dio because I'm right about this.
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I just know I am.
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Um maybe we'll do the poll again, and maybe the results will change as they should.
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So let's get right.
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And I'll tell you, I'll tell you guys where this discussion is coming from.
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I'll tell you who where I think it should.
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Where is definitely coming from coming from me? I wrote a little piece on this, um, a few months ago or nine in a few months ago.
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A month ago? Uh, on my block gnosis sports dot sub stack calm.
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And yeah, my contention was that the jazz should 100% trade.
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Rudy Gobert.
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I'm gonna put the link to that in the in the comments there.
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I think there without a without question, the Jazz should trade Rudy Gobert.
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Um, let me just share this on Twitter Here, Um uh uh and it's it's it's really interesting to see this conversation taking place on social media.
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Uh, the I'll say this the a lot of the people who follow the Jazz on social media.
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A lot of people who are jazz fans are behaving on seeing exactly what I would expect him to say.
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Andi, that's great.
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I think there, I mean, that's their That's their outlet.
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They could share their opinion.
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Uh, they're wrong, but they're more than welcome to share their opinion about what's going on and what they think should happen with the team that they're so emotionally invested in.
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That, however, is the problem is that they're way too emotionally invested in the players.
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And I think if you're looking at this objectively, which I mean I mean, who better to do that than national media? We've seen guys like Bill Simmons, Zach Lowe, guy that I retweeted today.
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I really liked his right up.
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He did.
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He did a pretty comprehensive offseason primer for the jazz.
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His name is he works for CBS.
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I forgot his name.
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I hope it will be for gives me.
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I'm just trying to look up his name here.
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I retweeted this article because I thought it was really good.
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Uh, Sam Quinn from CBS.
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Um, did it really did a really comprehensive off season primer on the Jazz, and he addressed this point as well.
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Um, yeah, it's It's just interesting to see, uh, the people who love and support the jazz, they don't they they find this discussion be just reprehensible and repulsive.
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It's not, um, it's a discussion that I hope the jazz brass or having because if they're not, they're not doing their job.
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Um, I think this is This is the way I see it.
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Okay, this is where I see it.
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The Jazz have a nice little team.
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They've got some guys who are fun to watch.
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Rudy Gobert is definitely one of them.
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It's been enjoyable to see his growth, uh, in from like he is a home grown talent.
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There's no doubt about that.
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He's a guy.
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The Jazz.
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He's been with the Jazz his entire career.
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They drafted him in, I believe, 2013.
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Let me just pull up his Wikipedia here.
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So, like, make sure that I get everything right.
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Okay, So So he was drafted.
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Yeah, I was right in 2013, 27th overall, famously drafted by the Nuggets and then traded to the Jazz for Eric Green.
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Who you might know for his role in Entourage as many chases, friend.
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Just kidding.
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This is actually different guy, um, and some cash.
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So the jazz, uh, just and the jazz jazz nation rightfully celebrates the fact that they essentially got this guy who's developed into a really nice player for essentially pennies on the dollar, Right? Um you know, here's Gobert has, like, I was saying, has grown into becoming a really nice player for the jazz.
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Um, I remember I was a broadcast assistant when he kind of had his biggest jumps in development.
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I remember I was broadcast assistant for David Lock.
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I'm trying to think of the years I was like 2014 and 2015 on.
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That was right.
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That was the very start of the Quin Snyder era.
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And I think I think Gober and Snyder had had a similar trajectory.
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I mean? I mean, obviously, you know, they both became who they are in those in those formative years, right? So you might remember 2014 in this Cantor's on the Jazz.
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He had been drafted third overall, right? And you know, 2014 was the year that they were gonna hand him the keys to the kingdom, so to speak, because they no longer had Al Jefferson.
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They no longer had Paul Millsap.
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It was it was gonna be Derrick favors.
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And, uh, in this Cantor's turned thio run the show in the Jazz front court.
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Right As the seasons went on, I am not sure it was my first or second year with the Jazz, but it was pretty clear that Go bare was coming off the bench and out playing Cantor.
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He forced himself into the starting lineup, and from there, Cantor's traded toe Oklahoma City and Gobert continues his ascent into what he has become, which is an NBA all star.
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It's a great story.
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It's awesome.
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It's something that makes jazz fans really happy for sure, right? And then I'm a jazz fan.
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It makes me happy. I think that's great.
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Um, it's it's a good story.
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It's good feel good story to have, uh, you know, homegrown talent, especially a guy who was drafted in the mid twenties.
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Um, you know, develop into becoming like a really potent weapon in the NBA, like a really.
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And I guess you could say an impactful player would probably a better way to say that he's not really, I would say is a potent weapon.
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But in other ways, I guess you could say yes.
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But But anyway, so now they're at this crossroads now, Okay? The Jazz have also added Donovan Mitchell Newsflash.
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I don't know if you knew that, right? Donald Mitchell, drafted in 2015, N b A All Star.
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Probably the most popular guy in the state by far, right, for all these do goodness and all that kind of stuff, right? So, yeah, they have both these guys and it's gonna the time is wrapped.
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The problem is that I think jazz fans air forgetting.
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Is this not an issue of Is Gobert a great player or not? Because he is.
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It's not an issue of them preparing to have a future without him.
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The issue is if they there there.
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I'm trying to think how to say this.
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If they decided to keep both of them, I think they are going to have a much more difficult time getting to the next level, because just the way salary cap is shaping up, it's already it's already.
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It's already pretty clear.
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I think it was reported about a month a month ago or so by Chris Hayes that Donovan Mitchell was going to get his rookie Max extension right, his on his next contract.
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If the Jazz decided to give that Thio give Gobert Max contract, that would mean they would tie up 50% of their money on two players.
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And that becomes an issue because it makes it that it just becomes that much harder to sign quality players on mid level contracts, right? Um, quality players that could round up the roster that can provide depth that can provide additional scoring defense.
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Um, just, you know, quality role players that every that every team needs, you know, like like they need a third option, then in the fourth option.
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Because right now the jazz line up the jazz roster is really thin.
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They probably according to Sam Quinn and I agree with him on this.
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Take that.
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He wrote the Jazz.
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Probably had they not traded for Jordan, Clarkson would have had the worst bench in the NBA last season.
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Right? And if it looks like I'm not looking at the camera is because I'm not, I'm reading my second screen up here, so don't be disoriented.
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But anyway, apparently a girl named Tina Tequila is watching.
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This are you are a way to the paella.
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Um, so here's Here's the thing.
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Okay, let me just read what I wrote Digital.
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I think it's just so asi nine and so counterproductive to the idea that you should try to make your team better every year if they keep running back the same team that gets knocked out in the first round of playoffs every year, there's, Ah, there's a famous misquote that a lot of people attribute Thio Albert Einstein, who didn't say this, actually, but a lot of people think he did that.
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Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
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If you continue to run back the same roster essentially every year, I mean, and I know that there have been there having small changes every year.
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You know, they added boy and a boy and Bogdanovich last year, Um, who is really effective for them and all that.
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But I think if you center, I think I don't know.
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I I've got so many, so many that's really around in my head.
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Okay, um what I think what I'm just trying to succinctly say, is that if Justin Sanick, jazz general manager, and Dennis Lindsey, executive vice president of basketball operations, are not having the conversation, should we see what we could get for Rudy Gobert? Should we put a feeler out? Should we be prepared to pull the trigger if we get the offer that ah, don't know why.
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I don't know why I want black holes and or boy my streams not working.
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Can you still hear me? Um, if they're not having that discussion, that the very they're not doing their job right, they need to at least be pursuing or in allowing that discussion to take place.
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Um, there's a trade that Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons talked about.
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That kind of gives me goose bumps.
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I think it would be really exciting.
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I think it's something that eyes if it's even kind of on the table.
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I think the Jazz should take it in a heartbeat because I think it could really shape the future, um, of the franchise, at least a T East, you know, for what could be the duration of the Donovan Mitchell era.
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I have another take on admit it's all, um, but it's also it's all of the take on Donald Mitchell that Jazz fans don't like.
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But I I would I would bet my life that is gonna come to fruition.
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Um, but I'll get to that another day.
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The trade, I'm referring Thio is hype.
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I mean, look, we know Minnesota, who has the number one overall pick in the draft, is shopping that pick, right? That's that's been reported, and I totally by end of that because they're probably in a little bit more of a wind.
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They're not looking Thio spend too much time rebuilding, as is typically the case of teams who have the number one overall pick right, they want to get an impact player for that pick.
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Could Rudy Gobert be that player? I think if I'm the Jazz in Minnesota, puts that table or puts that offer on the table, I'm gonna have a really hard time saying no, because what could happen? The Jazz, the fear that jazz fans have is they're not going to get the value.
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Uh, a fear that the Jazz have jazz fans have is they're not gonna get the value that Gobert has back in return.
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But I think if you get the number one overall pick, you're getting a really good player most of the time.
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E mean historic.
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I mean, there are outliers, right for guys who were drafted number one overall and didn't pan out.
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You know, there are guys like Anthony Bennett who had no business being the number one overall.
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Pick Michael Olowokandi, um, Greg Goldin to no fault zone due to injuries.
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I think, though, if you have a chance to get the number one overall pick, you can.
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You can re create a lot of the things that Rudy go bare brings to the table by drafting James Wiseman out of Memphis.
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And I think he also has the potential to develop quickly and develop mawr skills than Gobert has there by being a better player.
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Oh, that I mentioned he would also be on a rookie contract.
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He would be much cheaper, then Gobert.
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He would give them financial flexibility so they could add another piece to the Tiu.
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The to the to the to the equation, right? I think it is.
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If that's even possible.
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If Minnesota will answer the phone when you make that call, you have to be ready to say, Yeah, we'll do it right There's I think that I think the ****** wrench in this, though, is that the Jazz have a new ownership, right? Hilarious.
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Miller Group sold 80% of the team to Tech billionaire Ryan Smith.
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Um, I don't know too much about Ryan Smith.
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I've heard he's a big fan of Gobert, right? But I'm sure if I'm the new owner of a team that has had the same ultra conservative ownership for the last 30 years, um, I'm probably going to really be interested in making a splash right off the bat and getting that team Aziz good as possible in as expeditious, expeditious away possible.
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That was a really bad sentence.
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I wanted to say it differently.
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You know what I mean? But anyway, um, if that trade is on the table.
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You have.
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I think you have to take it.
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You have to roll the dice on James Wiseman.
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Um, you know, developing and developing quickly.
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Will this make the Jazz worse? I think that's that's also kind of, Ah, something that Jazz fans were weary of, right? Will they? Will they be the same team that they were with Gobert? Will they be a 51 team? Probably not, Probably not.
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In what would be Wiseman's rookie year, I'll admit that, Yeah, I'm all admit they might have to take a step back for a year or so, but that puts them in a I think that puts them in a position to be better off down the road.
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I think the Donovan Mitchell window is a lot smaller than people realize.
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But you take that one year back, right? You take that one year, we say, Okay, now we're now we're a borderline playoff team with Wiseman, you play.
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You start him every game.
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You give him time.
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You let him grow right into the into the players that a number one overall pick should be right.
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Let's say he becomes in his second or third year better than what Gobert would have been then.
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Are the Jazz not better off at that point? You know, I think I think there.
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I think I see this on Twitter.
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I'm seeing a lot of Jazz fans saying there's no way we should trade go better because we're not gonna It's not gonna make us better.
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I agree.
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I told I disagree with the first part of that.
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I agree with the second part.
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I think the play is for where the Jazz are gonna be in three or four years, though I think if they commit all that money to go bare and lock him up for that long contract extension or even somehow compromise.
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And if I'm really go bear, I don't take anything less than the max the Supermax, because why would you write it? Because I'm sure he could find a team that would be willing to give him more money than what the Jazz would would have to offer him.
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I think I don't know.
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I just think you're playing for three years from now by giving up this like maybe making next year a little bit harder and I honestly think even with Gobert, the Jazz would have a really hard time making the playoffs as it would be right, Because I think they're gonna give me a lot of teams in the Western Conference.
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They're gonna be better than what the Jazz have now.
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I expect the pelicans to be better. The Mavericks.
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We're gonna be way better.
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Um, the sun's the Warriors.
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We keep people. Forget about the Warriors.
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The Warriors finished dead last in the Western Conference.
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There's no way they're not.
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They're gonna fish outside the top four next year.
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There's no way they didn't even try this here.
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They strategically they they strategically took a year off so that they could re group and dominate for the next.
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For for another run with with a really good player, I think I think the jazz and take a similar approach.
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I'm not saying the Jazz should try to finish dead last in the Western Conference, although maybe that's a good play.
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I don't know.
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Um, but you take that one step back and you set yourself up to make a giant leap the next year, or maybe the next year, right? And I think you're better off then where you would have been had you kept Rudy Gobert.
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That's that is the the essential message of my argument, right? It's one step back.
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Two steps forward, I think, is what the old timers say.
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So well, I understand jazz.
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Twitter's apprehension.
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They've grown to love this guy.
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They've grown to love, really go bare.
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They've seen him grow before their eyes into a really nice player.
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I think they're just There's, I think you just can't get too emotionally attached in this game if you wanna make big jumps and the Jazz need to bank a big jump because I think this conservative, maybe we'll take a step.
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Maybe, Well, we're not gonna skip any steps.
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We're gonna take it one step at a time.
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I don't think it works when other teams are willing to make jumps.
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I think you've gotta roll the dice. Sometimes.
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Be a be willing to do crazy **** and a lot of ways.
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Trading Rudy Gobert is crazy **** to eventually get where you wanna be, Which is the NBA Finals which is winning championships, you know, once again one of the sponsors of the show sponsor is pink Sharpie highlighter.
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So once again, I'm Austin Facer.
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I'm the sole proprietor on the writer podcaster host editor, social media manager.
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Um, what? Another title. I could get myself.
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You know, I'm just a guy I'm doing.
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Noticed the sports all by myself.
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I'm telling you, I'm telling you, jazz fans, it's going to be OK if you trade Rudy Gobert, it's going to be There is a way your life will be better if if you let this go.
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If your patients in your body and out and several ounces, I would say of reason in your brain, you have to you have to at least have that discussion.
00:24:50
Thio, simply to not to simply say he's untradeable is not the right move.
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You will never improve.
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You will never get to where you want to be.
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If you take that, take that stand they've got is that I'm not.
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I'm saying there are other possible trades that could happen for Gobert.
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A lot of people think there could be trade with the Hawks involving their sixth overall pick, uh, and Clint Capela and maybe a couple other pieces for Gobert.
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Yeah, okay, maybe think about that.
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That one.
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I would give a little bit more thought the no brainer trade, though that has been talked about in the national media.
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So that tells me that there's there's something to it.
00:25:39
Is the Minnesota trade for the for the first overall pick? If you if you have that chance, if you can do that, you ****ing do it.
00:25:51
It was just it would it would be a travesty.
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It would be irresponsible on the part of jazz leadership to not really to not very, very, very strongly consider making that trade.
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And I think it would.
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It would be career defining one way or the other if they if they didn't do it.
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You know, if that's if Minnesota calls and make and says, Hey, this, let's do it.
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You've got to be ready to do it.
00:26:29
You've got to the other thing that Sam Quinn said that was that was kind of interesting.
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Um, the Jazz should also look.
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This is This is kind of something that Z gonna be also inflammatory to jazz fans because this player spoke disparagingly of them a few years ago.
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But Sam Quinn mentioned this player as someone the Jazz should really strongly target.
00:27:03
That's Chris Paul.
00:27:06
If there's any way the Jazz can swing a deal where they get Mike Conley off the roster, who I did not think made the team better last year for either Chris Paul or to make a trade with the Detroit Pistons for Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose, another a player that Jazz fans don't think well of because he refused Thio report or something.
00:27:39
I don't know how much of that was like a decision on Rose's apart because he technically was traded to Utah for years ago, Um, but never suited up for them was immediately released.
00:27:51
E think you've got to find a way to get the most value can for what you have now, and you gotta find a way to get called off the team if I'm the general manager and a lot of jazz fans are gonna be grateful that I'm not and it's an opportunity I'm never gonna have.
00:28:12
So let me.
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So let me make that abundantly clear.
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I think those are my two priorities, right? I Those are my top two priorities.
00:28:21
I have three priorities I get to the third priority in a second.
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Find a way to get value for Gobert, ideally the first overall pick from Minnesota.
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Find a way to get rid of Mike Conley.
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And the third thing is, I would bring back Derrick favors on the mid level exception that the Jazz have.
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I think if they could do all three of those things, it will be the biggest rollercoaster off season ever for Daz fans because they're gonna go through those catastrophic highs and lows of training.
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A guy who has become the face of the French, who e means not Donovan Mitchell, but a face of the franchise in order to go bare the excitement of having the first overall pick for the first time ever, I might say the Jazz have never picked first overall in the NBA draft and kept pick Um, so that would be a first, Then they would have the low, then they would have the yeah, um, confusion on the support a guy that called him a bunch of homers in Chris Paul.
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But then they would have what I would hope would be the Fauria of having Derrick favors back on team a guy who was criminally undervalued by the franchise and did so much for that team.
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So if they could do those three things, I think it would.
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It would be an A plus plus off season for the Jazz.
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So that's my That's my plea to you guys in the front office.
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Justin's Sanick.
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Dennis Lindsey as a sensible jazz fan.
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I love Radio Bear.
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I appreciate what he's done for the team.
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I appreciate what he's done for the community.
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But I want I want a championship.
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I want you to deliver a championship to this market.
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I would much rather have a team that can get to the next level, then a team full of guys that I've learned to love.
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I think that's what Jazz fans were really struggling with is that they've grown to love the guys on the team, even if they're not the guys who can take them to the next level.
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That's I think what's happening in the Twitter sphere with all the people who are, uh, very against a potential trade involving radio bear.
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But like I said, I would much rather have a team that can win a championship, Then a team full of guys.
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I've I've grown toe love.
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That's hard.
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That's That's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people, but that's what I think.
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But you can have a guy you love to if you bring back Derrick favors.
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So that was my take.
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That's what I think.
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I think the Jazz should absolutely trade really Gobert.
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Um, especially if they could work out a deal with Minnesota for the first overall pick, right? They might have to include.
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I mean, they'll definitely have.
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I would think they'd have to include their 23rd overall selection in that trade.
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The Jazz would, but that would be unreal.
00:32:07
That would be that would just be that would be the best.
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That would be the best thing for this era of the franchise and would take them to I think it would.
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It has potential to take them to greater heights than they've had in a really long time, so please trade Gobert to Minnesota for the first overall pick, and we'll do it.
00:32:35
Bring in Chris.
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Paul, Get rid of Mike Conley.
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Bring back Derrick favors.
00:32:43
Those are my takes.
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Should the Jazz trade Rudy Gobert? I say yes.

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Austin Facer @NoAssistSports

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Hello, everybody.
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Welcome into the Livestream here.
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We're talking about the Utah Jazz.
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Should they trade Rudy Gobert? That's something that is explodes.
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A discussion that's exploding on social media right now, especially if you follow the Utah Jazz.
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But it's also making a bit of noise nationally, so I'll give you guys my thoughts on that.
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Um, just to set up this show names Austin Facer I am the sole proprietor of Gnosis Sports is the No Sis, uh, sports livestream here on SportsCastr dot com.
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So I want to thank, uh, pink Sharpie highlighter for their support of the show.
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Um, but anyway, let's let's get right into it.
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Let's talk about the the the discussion that is all over social media.
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It's all over Instagram.
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It's all over Twitter.
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It's on Reddit.
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It's It's making waves nationally as well.
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So I think it's something something that's really exciting.
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Um, so let me let me just submit a poll question here.
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Should the jazz trade Rudy Gobert Choice number one is Yes, Trust number two is no.
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Okay, So that that's the only gonna be up for 60 seconds.
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I'm gonna refresh it.
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I'm gonna go again later on.
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Hopefully as I provide Mawr and Mawr and Mawr persuasive arguments which I'm gonna dio because I'm right about this.
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I just know I am.
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Um maybe we'll do the poll again, and maybe the results will change as they should.
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So let's get right.
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And I'll tell you, I'll tell you guys where this discussion is coming from.
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I'll tell you who where I think it should.
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Where is definitely coming from coming from me? I wrote a little piece on this, um, a few months ago or nine in a few months ago.
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A month ago? Uh, on my block gnosis sports dot sub stack calm.
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And yeah, my contention was that the jazz should 100% trade.
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Rudy Gobert.
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I'm gonna put the link to that in the in the comments there.
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I think there without a without question, the Jazz should trade Rudy Gobert.
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Um, let me just share this on Twitter Here, Um uh uh and it's it's it's really interesting to see this conversation taking place on social media.
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Uh, the I'll say this the a lot of the people who follow the Jazz on social media.
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A lot of people who are jazz fans are behaving on seeing exactly what I would expect him to say.
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Andi, that's great.
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I think there, I mean, that's their That's their outlet.
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They could share their opinion.
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Uh, they're wrong, but they're more than welcome to share their opinion about what's going on and what they think should happen with the team that they're so emotionally invested in.
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That, however, is the problem is that they're way too emotionally invested in the players.
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And I think if you're looking at this objectively, which I mean I mean, who better to do that than national media? We've seen guys like Bill Simmons, Zach Lowe, guy that I retweeted today.
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I really liked his right up.
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He did.
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He did a pretty comprehensive offseason primer for the jazz.
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His name is he works for CBS.
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I forgot his name.
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I hope it will be for gives me.
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I'm just trying to look up his name here.
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I retweeted this article because I thought it was really good.
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Uh, Sam Quinn from CBS.
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Um, did it really did a really comprehensive off season primer on the Jazz, and he addressed this point as well.
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Um, yeah, it's It's just interesting to see, uh, the people who love and support the jazz, they don't they they find this discussion be just reprehensible and repulsive.
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It's not, um, it's a discussion that I hope the jazz brass or having because if they're not, they're not doing their job.
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Um, I think this is This is the way I see it.
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Okay, this is where I see it.
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The Jazz have a nice little team.
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They've got some guys who are fun to watch.
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Rudy Gobert is definitely one of them.
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It's been enjoyable to see his growth, uh, in from like he is a home grown talent.
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There's no doubt about that.
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He's a guy.
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The Jazz.
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He's been with the Jazz his entire career.
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They drafted him in, I believe, 2013.
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Let me just pull up his Wikipedia here.
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So, like, make sure that I get everything right.
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Okay, So So he was drafted.
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Yeah, I was right in 2013, 27th overall, famously drafted by the Nuggets and then traded to the Jazz for Eric Green.
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Who you might know for his role in Entourage as many chases, friend.
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Just kidding.
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This is actually different guy, um, and some cash.
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So the jazz, uh, just and the jazz jazz nation rightfully celebrates the fact that they essentially got this guy who's developed into a really nice player for essentially pennies on the dollar, Right? Um you know, here's Gobert has, like, I was saying, has grown into becoming a really nice player for the jazz.
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Um, I remember I was a broadcast assistant when he kind of had his biggest jumps in development.
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I remember I was broadcast assistant for David Lock.
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I'm trying to think of the years I was like 2014 and 2015 on.
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That was right.
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That was the very start of the Quin Snyder era.
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And I think I think Gober and Snyder had had a similar trajectory.
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I mean? I mean, obviously, you know, they both became who they are in those in those formative years, right? So you might remember 2014 in this Cantor's on the Jazz.
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He had been drafted third overall, right? And you know, 2014 was the year that they were gonna hand him the keys to the kingdom, so to speak, because they no longer had Al Jefferson.
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They no longer had Paul Millsap.
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It was it was gonna be Derrick favors.
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And, uh, in this Cantor's turned thio run the show in the Jazz front court.
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Right As the seasons went on, I am not sure it was my first or second year with the Jazz, but it was pretty clear that Go bare was coming off the bench and out playing Cantor.
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He forced himself into the starting lineup, and from there, Cantor's traded toe Oklahoma City and Gobert continues his ascent into what he has become, which is an NBA all star.
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It's a great story.
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It's awesome.
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It's something that makes jazz fans really happy for sure, right? And then I'm a jazz fan.
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It makes me happy. I think that's great.
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Um, it's it's a good story.
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It's good feel good story to have, uh, you know, homegrown talent, especially a guy who was drafted in the mid twenties.
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Um, you know, develop into becoming like a really potent weapon in the NBA, like a really.
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And I guess you could say an impactful player would probably a better way to say that he's not really, I would say is a potent weapon.
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But in other ways, I guess you could say yes.
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But But anyway, so now they're at this crossroads now, Okay? The Jazz have also added Donovan Mitchell Newsflash.
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I don't know if you knew that, right? Donald Mitchell, drafted in 2015, N b A All Star.
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Probably the most popular guy in the state by far, right, for all these do goodness and all that kind of stuff, right? So, yeah, they have both these guys and it's gonna the time is wrapped.
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The problem is that I think jazz fans air forgetting.
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Is this not an issue of Is Gobert a great player or not? Because he is.
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It's not an issue of them preparing to have a future without him.
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The issue is if they there there.
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I'm trying to think how to say this.
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If they decided to keep both of them, I think they are going to have a much more difficult time getting to the next level, because just the way salary cap is shaping up, it's already it's already.
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It's already pretty clear.
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I think it was reported about a month a month ago or so by Chris Hayes that Donovan Mitchell was going to get his rookie Max extension right, his on his next contract.
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If the Jazz decided to give that Thio give Gobert Max contract, that would mean they would tie up 50% of their money on two players.
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And that becomes an issue because it makes it that it just becomes that much harder to sign quality players on mid level contracts, right? Um, quality players that could round up the roster that can provide depth that can provide additional scoring defense.
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Um, just, you know, quality role players that every that every team needs, you know, like like they need a third option, then in the fourth option.
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Because right now the jazz line up the jazz roster is really thin.
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They probably according to Sam Quinn and I agree with him on this.
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Take that.
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He wrote the Jazz.
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Probably had they not traded for Jordan, Clarkson would have had the worst bench in the NBA last season.
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Right? And if it looks like I'm not looking at the camera is because I'm not, I'm reading my second screen up here, so don't be disoriented.
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But anyway, apparently a girl named Tina Tequila is watching.
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This are you are a way to the paella.
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Um, so here's Here's the thing.
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Okay, let me just read what I wrote Digital.
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I think it's just so asi nine and so counterproductive to the idea that you should try to make your team better every year if they keep running back the same team that gets knocked out in the first round of playoffs every year, there's, Ah, there's a famous misquote that a lot of people attribute Thio Albert Einstein, who didn't say this, actually, but a lot of people think he did that.
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Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
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If you continue to run back the same roster essentially every year, I mean, and I know that there have been there having small changes every year.
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You know, they added boy and a boy and Bogdanovich last year, Um, who is really effective for them and all that.
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But I think if you center, I think I don't know.
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I I've got so many, so many that's really around in my head.
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Okay, um what I think what I'm just trying to succinctly say, is that if Justin Sanick, jazz general manager, and Dennis Lindsey, executive vice president of basketball operations, are not having the conversation, should we see what we could get for Rudy Gobert? Should we put a feeler out? Should we be prepared to pull the trigger if we get the offer that ah, don't know why.
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I don't know why I want black holes and or boy my streams not working.
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Can you still hear me? Um, if they're not having that discussion, that the very they're not doing their job right, they need to at least be pursuing or in allowing that discussion to take place.
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Um, there's a trade that Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons talked about.
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That kind of gives me goose bumps.
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I think it would be really exciting.
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I think it's something that eyes if it's even kind of on the table.
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I think the Jazz should take it in a heartbeat because I think it could really shape the future, um, of the franchise, at least a T East, you know, for what could be the duration of the Donovan Mitchell era.
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I have another take on admit it's all, um, but it's also it's all of the take on Donald Mitchell that Jazz fans don't like.
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But I I would I would bet my life that is gonna come to fruition.
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Um, but I'll get to that another day.
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The trade, I'm referring Thio is hype.
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I mean, look, we know Minnesota, who has the number one overall pick in the draft, is shopping that pick, right? That's that's been reported, and I totally by end of that because they're probably in a little bit more of a wind.
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They're not looking Thio spend too much time rebuilding, as is typically the case of teams who have the number one overall pick right, they want to get an impact player for that pick.
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Could Rudy Gobert be that player? I think if I'm the Jazz in Minnesota, puts that table or puts that offer on the table, I'm gonna have a really hard time saying no, because what could happen? The Jazz, the fear that jazz fans have is they're not going to get the value.
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Uh, a fear that the Jazz have jazz fans have is they're not gonna get the value that Gobert has back in return.
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But I think if you get the number one overall pick, you're getting a really good player most of the time.
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E mean historic.
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I mean, there are outliers, right for guys who were drafted number one overall and didn't pan out.
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You know, there are guys like Anthony Bennett who had no business being the number one overall.
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Pick Michael Olowokandi, um, Greg Goldin to no fault zone due to injuries.
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I think, though, if you have a chance to get the number one overall pick, you can.
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You can re create a lot of the things that Rudy go bare brings to the table by drafting James Wiseman out of Memphis.
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And I think he also has the potential to develop quickly and develop mawr skills than Gobert has there by being a better player.
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Oh, that I mentioned he would also be on a rookie contract.
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He would be much cheaper, then Gobert.
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He would give them financial flexibility so they could add another piece to the Tiu.
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The to the to the to the equation, right? I think it is.
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If that's even possible.
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If Minnesota will answer the phone when you make that call, you have to be ready to say, Yeah, we'll do it right There's I think that I think the ****** wrench in this, though, is that the Jazz have a new ownership, right? Hilarious.
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Miller Group sold 80% of the team to Tech billionaire Ryan Smith.
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Um, I don't know too much about Ryan Smith.
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I've heard he's a big fan of Gobert, right? But I'm sure if I'm the new owner of a team that has had the same ultra conservative ownership for the last 30 years, um, I'm probably going to really be interested in making a splash right off the bat and getting that team Aziz good as possible in as expeditious, expeditious away possible.
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That was a really bad sentence.
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I wanted to say it differently.
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You know what I mean? But anyway, um, if that trade is on the table.
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You have.
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I think you have to take it.
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You have to roll the dice on James Wiseman.
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Um, you know, developing and developing quickly.
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Will this make the Jazz worse? I think that's that's also kind of, Ah, something that Jazz fans were weary of, right? Will they? Will they be the same team that they were with Gobert? Will they be a 51 team? Probably not, Probably not.
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In what would be Wiseman's rookie year, I'll admit that, Yeah, I'm all admit they might have to take a step back for a year or so, but that puts them in a I think that puts them in a position to be better off down the road.
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I think the Donovan Mitchell window is a lot smaller than people realize.
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But you take that one year back, right? You take that one year, we say, Okay, now we're now we're a borderline playoff team with Wiseman, you play.
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You start him every game.
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You give him time.
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You let him grow right into the into the players that a number one overall pick should be right.
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Let's say he becomes in his second or third year better than what Gobert would have been then.
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Are the Jazz not better off at that point? You know, I think I think there.
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I think I see this on Twitter.
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I'm seeing a lot of Jazz fans saying there's no way we should trade go better because we're not gonna It's not gonna make us better.
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I agree.
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I told I disagree with the first part of that.
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I agree with the second part.
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I think the play is for where the Jazz are gonna be in three or four years, though I think if they commit all that money to go bare and lock him up for that long contract extension or even somehow compromise.
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And if I'm really go bear, I don't take anything less than the max the Supermax, because why would you write it? Because I'm sure he could find a team that would be willing to give him more money than what the Jazz would would have to offer him.
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I think I don't know.
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I just think you're playing for three years from now by giving up this like maybe making next year a little bit harder and I honestly think even with Gobert, the Jazz would have a really hard time making the playoffs as it would be right, Because I think they're gonna give me a lot of teams in the Western Conference.
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They're gonna be better than what the Jazz have now.
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I expect the pelicans to be better. The Mavericks.
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We're gonna be way better.
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Um, the sun's the Warriors.
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We keep people. Forget about the Warriors.
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The Warriors finished dead last in the Western Conference.
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There's no way they're not.
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They're gonna fish outside the top four next year.
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There's no way they didn't even try this here.
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They strategically they they strategically took a year off so that they could re group and dominate for the next.
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For for another run with with a really good player, I think I think the jazz and take a similar approach.
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I'm not saying the Jazz should try to finish dead last in the Western Conference, although maybe that's a good play.
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I don't know.
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Um, but you take that one step back and you set yourself up to make a giant leap the next year, or maybe the next year, right? And I think you're better off then where you would have been had you kept Rudy Gobert.
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That's that is the the essential message of my argument, right? It's one step back.
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Two steps forward, I think, is what the old timers say.
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So well, I understand jazz.
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Twitter's apprehension.
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They've grown to love this guy.
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They've grown to love, really go bare.
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They've seen him grow before their eyes into a really nice player.
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I think they're just There's, I think you just can't get too emotionally attached in this game if you wanna make big jumps and the Jazz need to bank a big jump because I think this conservative, maybe we'll take a step.
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Maybe, Well, we're not gonna skip any steps.
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We're gonna take it one step at a time.
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I don't think it works when other teams are willing to make jumps.
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I think you've gotta roll the dice. Sometimes.
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Be a be willing to do crazy **** and a lot of ways.
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Trading Rudy Gobert is crazy **** to eventually get where you wanna be, Which is the NBA Finals which is winning championships, you know, once again one of the sponsors of the show sponsor is pink Sharpie highlighter.
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So once again, I'm Austin Facer.
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I'm the sole proprietor on the writer podcaster host editor, social media manager.
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Um, what? Another title. I could get myself.
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You know, I'm just a guy I'm doing.
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Noticed the sports all by myself.
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I'm telling you, I'm telling you, jazz fans, it's going to be OK if you trade Rudy Gobert, it's going to be There is a way your life will be better if if you let this go.
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If your patients in your body and out and several ounces, I would say of reason in your brain, you have to you have to at least have that discussion.
00:24:50
Thio, simply to not to simply say he's untradeable is not the right move.
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You will never improve.
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You will never get to where you want to be.
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If you take that, take that stand they've got is that I'm not.
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I'm saying there are other possible trades that could happen for Gobert.
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A lot of people think there could be trade with the Hawks involving their sixth overall pick, uh, and Clint Capela and maybe a couple other pieces for Gobert.
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Yeah, okay, maybe think about that.
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That one.
00:25:28
I would give a little bit more thought the no brainer trade, though that has been talked about in the national media.
00:25:35
So that tells me that there's there's something to it.
00:25:39
Is the Minnesota trade for the for the first overall pick? If you if you have that chance, if you can do that, you ****ing do it.
00:25:51
It was just it would it would be a travesty.
00:25:57
It would be irresponsible on the part of jazz leadership to not really to not very, very, very strongly consider making that trade.
00:26:12
And I think it would.
00:26:13
It would be career defining one way or the other if they if they didn't do it.
00:26:18
You know, if that's if Minnesota calls and make and says, Hey, this, let's do it.
00:26:26
You've got to be ready to do it.
00:26:29
You've got to the other thing that Sam Quinn said that was that was kind of interesting.
00:26:39
Um, the Jazz should also look.
00:26:44
This is This is kind of something that Z gonna be also inflammatory to jazz fans because this player spoke disparagingly of them a few years ago.
00:26:58
But Sam Quinn mentioned this player as someone the Jazz should really strongly target.
00:27:03
That's Chris Paul.
00:27:06
If there's any way the Jazz can swing a deal where they get Mike Conley off the roster, who I did not think made the team better last year for either Chris Paul or to make a trade with the Detroit Pistons for Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose, another a player that Jazz fans don't think well of because he refused Thio report or something.
00:27:39
I don't know how much of that was like a decision on Rose's apart because he technically was traded to Utah for years ago, Um, but never suited up for them was immediately released.
00:27:51
E think you've got to find a way to get the most value can for what you have now, and you gotta find a way to get called off the team if I'm the general manager and a lot of jazz fans are gonna be grateful that I'm not and it's an opportunity I'm never gonna have.
00:28:12
So let me.
00:28:13
So let me make that abundantly clear.
00:28:16
I think those are my two priorities, right? I Those are my top two priorities.
00:28:21
I have three priorities I get to the third priority in a second.
00:28:26
Find a way to get value for Gobert, ideally the first overall pick from Minnesota.
00:28:35
Find a way to get rid of Mike Conley.
00:28:41
And the third thing is, I would bring back Derrick favors on the mid level exception that the Jazz have.
00:28:49
I think if they could do all three of those things, it will be the biggest rollercoaster off season ever for Daz fans because they're gonna go through those catastrophic highs and lows of training.
00:29:04
A guy who has become the face of the French, who e means not Donovan Mitchell, but a face of the franchise in order to go bare the excitement of having the first overall pick for the first time ever, I might say the Jazz have never picked first overall in the NBA draft and kept pick Um, so that would be a first, Then they would have the low, then they would have the yeah, um, confusion on the support a guy that called him a bunch of homers in Chris Paul.
00:29:42
But then they would have what I would hope would be the Fauria of having Derrick favors back on team a guy who was criminally undervalued by the franchise and did so much for that team.
00:29:54
So if they could do those three things, I think it would.
00:30:01
It would be an A plus plus off season for the Jazz.
00:30:08
So that's my That's my plea to you guys in the front office.
00:30:13
Justin's Sanick.
00:30:15
Dennis Lindsey as a sensible jazz fan.
00:30:24
I love Radio Bear.
00:30:26
I appreciate what he's done for the team.
00:30:27
I appreciate what he's done for the community.
00:30:31
But I want I want a championship.
00:30:33
I want you to deliver a championship to this market.
00:30:39
I would much rather have a team that can get to the next level, then a team full of guys that I've learned to love.
00:30:51
I think that's what Jazz fans were really struggling with is that they've grown to love the guys on the team, even if they're not the guys who can take them to the next level.
00:31:05
That's I think what's happening in the Twitter sphere with all the people who are, uh, very against a potential trade involving radio bear.
00:31:19
But like I said, I would much rather have a team that can win a championship, Then a team full of guys.
00:31:26
I've I've grown toe love.
00:31:30
That's hard.
00:31:31
That's That's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people, but that's what I think.
00:31:37
But you can have a guy you love to if you bring back Derrick favors.
00:31:40
So that was my take.
00:31:41
That's what I think.
00:31:42
I think the Jazz should absolutely trade really Gobert.
00:31:48
Um, especially if they could work out a deal with Minnesota for the first overall pick, right? They might have to include.
00:31:55
I mean, they'll definitely have.
00:31:56
I would think they'd have to include their 23rd overall selection in that trade.
00:32:01
The Jazz would, but that would be unreal.
00:32:07
That would be that would just be that would be the best.
00:32:12
That would be the best thing for this era of the franchise and would take them to I think it would.
00:32:21
It has potential to take them to greater heights than they've had in a really long time, so please trade Gobert to Minnesota for the first overall pick, and we'll do it.
00:32:35
Bring in Chris.
00:32:36
Paul, Get rid of Mike Conley.
00:32:42
Bring back Derrick favors.
00:32:43
Those are my takes.
00:32:44
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