Welcome to the Lakers nation podcast.
And today? Well, usually we don't have a ton of things to talk about.
In August, we're breaking down positional battles and and things of that nature.
But today I'm we're gonna do the story that I never thought we would do.
Dwight Howard is going to be a Laker again.
I like it blows my mind that that's what I'm saying.
Right now, Dwight Howard is back to being a Los Angeles Laker.
Whether you love it or hate it, this is a fact.
This is happening.
Oh, my gosh, we've got so much to talk about.
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All right, so let's dive into all this.
Dwight Madness hopefully will become a Dwight Merrigan Jazz king joining me of Lakers Nation Jazz.
How're you doing, man? How are you? How are you processing the fact that Dwight Howard is once again wearing purple and gold.
I know you're a very happy man, because I know how much you wanted this to happen.
And I wanted a happy birthday to the great Kobe Bean Bryant or getting Dwight Howard back with the only franchise he ever knew.
I'm sure he's having a good day today as well.
You know what? When I got the news coming in and we're talking about this little bit before too, I was like, What? That was my first reaction because I saw the tweet come up from jams.
And then I was just kind of processing it also to me.
Surprised by it.
But it shows how the world of professional sports people move on pretty quick.
Now, I don't know about the fans here in l.
A, but the organization clearly has.
Yeah, well, I mean, if you look at it, first of all, yes.
Happy birthday, Kobe is when we're one of my Kobe shirts.
Have your birthday, Kobe.
But not such a great birthday present.
The guy that Kobe called soft Dwight Howard his now bigger again.
Hey, happy birthday, Kobe.
Here it's It's doin, um, but, you know, look, when you're looking at the organization, you think about how much fans stick around forever.
Right? Lakers fans.
It's been a generational thing.
It's not even just like I didn't just become a Lakers fan everything.
My dad was a Lakers fan.
He grew up watching the Lakers.
And so it's been a generational thing to watch the Los Angeles Lakers play basketball and but the front office and the team itself, it turns over much, much quicker.
So while Lakers fans have this this long memory, the front office not so much like Rob Pelinka, he wasn't He wasn't with the Lakers when the whole Dwight mare went down right? That wasn't that wasn't a thing.
I mean, Jeannie boss, Of course, she was around and everything, but But still, most of the decision makers in the Lakers for office have been been turned over since then, and the players there's nobody on the roster now that was on the roster back then, so that's of that's changed as well.
So as much as we say, Oh was just a few years ago.
It was just what, 67 years ago here that Dwight was a Laker to the organization.
It's a whole new thing.
It's It's completely new ball game to them.
Oh, yeah, it's like it's almost been like it's been seven.
You know what six years since is, since you formally left So cash feels like longer.
It's time for them to It does feel like longer, because I remember I was.
I was interning at ESPN, 7 10 at the time, and so there was a big fight because it was Steve Nash and Dwight Howard and Kobe and the Lakers were gonna be the big ticket back in the NBA's gonna content for a championship again.
Just, you know, two seasons after winning in 2010 and we saw how it went down.
Obviously, Dwight is a lot older now, you know, he said that 33 years old rather than a 26 I still think he has something to bring to the table now.
It's always it's always risky, bringing in a big way at this at this time because, you know, you look at even Tyson Channel letter not old by any stretch of the imagination.
Just kind of worn down because the big boys how they carry themselves.
You see, You see that happen a lot of seven footers.
But, I mean, if you look at his numbers, what he did with Charlotte, um, a couple of seasons ago, he was pretty effective for the match.
How the Hornets weren't very good.
So let's keep that in perspective.
But, I mean, you put up 16 and 12.
I'm not a very good team.
Good numbers on the defensive rebounding percentage was in the top four in the league.
Yeah, I mean, s o he did his thing.
And if you look at him, he's not coming in to be a guy to play 30 minutes a night using I contribute.
And as we talked about a little bit before we got on air, the contract is pretty foolproof as well.
So the interesting part for me, like like you said, though, is I don't think it's gonna be a distraction on the court.
I think off the court he's gonna get heckled.
He's gonna have people sitting stuff to him when he's blocking.
Know for sure that just the way it's gonna be.
So how he handles that response to it, I think that's gonna be the big thing. Yeah.
I mean, look, Lakers fans very much remember Dwight and very much wish they didn't remember Dwight.
Dwight is is he is not.
He's persona non grata in Los Angeles at this point.
So look, Dwight Howard, L Acre.
Uh, I could say this once the game starts, and if he starts playing well and he starts, you know he is a big, thunderous dunk at some point or he's blocking shots at the rim.
Things will change quickly that would, that will change very fast.
People have short memories when that starts happening.
Once the guys on your team again and he's helping your team win, then you're gonna be okay with where it's gonna be.
An issue is if he's not looking so good if he's struggling, if we start to hear about problems in the locker and we start to hear about him complaining about touches or anything like that.
But like you said, the contract, let's talk about that real quick.
6 million for the Lakers, which is the minimum that give him is a veteran player.
6 minute 1,000,000 deal.
But here's the key. It's non guaranteed.
So already on a veteran minimum deal, the Lakers could have parted ways with him whenever they could have just walked away from him.
And they could still go sign another veteran minimum deal.
Because you could sign as many as you want under the salary cap.
They're not hard capture anything like that.
Even though they're there right at that line, they can continue signing veteran minimum deals.
So that's that was already something they could do.
They could walk away from Dwight whenever they wanted, but now they can walk away and not even have to pay him like before.
If they if you was a 2.
6 million just regular guaranteed contract.
If they decide to walk away for the men, say December, say he does something funky and then they decide to say, See you later, then then they still own the remainder of the contract.
Now they they don't even have to pay the guy if they want him to go away, can just be up.
You know it didn't work.
See you later, Dwight. So you know you can.
You can agree with the decision to sign Dwight Howard.
You can disagree with the decision to sign Dwight Howard, but the bottom line is that they've done it.
If you're going to sign it, they've done it the right way.
If you're going to sign Dwight, this was the way to do it.
Yeah, and I'm like you said, I mean, it's It's Ah, it's a low risk, high reward option right now.
I mean, for a guy who doesn't have the same spring, obviously that he did in terms he's not the same player that was here with Kobe back in 2012 2013 I think anybody's expecting M v p Candidate.
But when you look at obviously the whole that boogie cousins injury left this steam and you look at kind of the lack of depth that they have that that big men spot because I mean, apparently in a story Anthony Davis has made it apparent you gonna play the five.
So, you know, having having javale there who I think is gonna have another nice you're healthy, you know, being being the big factor there.
But I think what happens over with with Dwight to is he has to have an enemy.
And this is according to Woo Jin, is ESPN Report that Howard sold the guys that he's hit rock bottom.
And you hope, maybe at a guy who's at 33 34 35 that people start putting it together, especially the mental.
And so in that case, I'm hoping that you know he's realized.
Look, man, I'm not this guy who was almost the face of the N B.
A one point in my career.
I'm just another cog in the in the machine right now.
And so if he's accepting of that, he comes in and says, Hey, play good defense, Try and get a couple of blocks tonight and you're in your 2018 to 20 minutes, Whatever.
You're out there, and I bet you if he plays 30 minutes, you know, in a couple of games you'll put up big numbers.
But that's all they need from him.
Nobody needs to be All star.
No, and that's apparently what the Lakers have sold him on or what he sold the Lakers own, I should say, based on that report, by shops to Ronnie and the athletic, basically saying that Dwight not only not only showed up to work out for the Lakers, but he showed up a day early.
He showed up with Lakers facility a day before he was supposed to be there and meet with everybody just to show how serious he was.
They said he had lost £25.
Yeah, but, you know, keep in mind this is the time of year when everybody has either dropped £20.
Or, in the case of Avery Bradley, you dropped £40.
And then you've also put on 10 to £15 of muscle, and everybody is in the best shape of their careers and and all that stuff that that's what happens in the offseason.
These are the types of things that we hear.
But Dwight shows up.
He meets with them.
He impressed them.
He met specifically, which I thought this was a little bit interesting.
The guys he met with, not LeBron.
He met with Anthony Davis, which Okay, fine.
He met with Javale McGee and Region Rondo.
Those were the three team leaders that he met with.
So I thought that was a little bit interesting that those are the guys that are seen as the the team leaders.
Not saying LeBron isn't LeBron may have just been busy at that moment.
Who knows, maybe filming a little movie or something, something like that.
But he meets with those guys and he sells them on this idea that, Hey, I've hit rock bottom.
I need you guys more than more than anything else.
I need to prove that I'm willing to do this.
I'm willing to accept this role.
I'm okay with just being a role player in the N.
B A. From here on out, I'm not the star anymore.
I will do the dirty work.
I'll do what you need me to do.
I will box out, I will rebound.
I will protect the rim.
Uh, I will not ask for touches in the post.
I'm assuming that was part of it because Dwight Howard post ups, if you remember, Lakers fans were painful.
Dwight has somehow convinced the Lakers and we've heard these things from him before, so I am still skeptical.
I was actually leading towards joking Noah.
I'm still skeptical, but I really hope Dwight can live up to what he sold the Lakers on.
Yeah, you mentioned no one.
And they're also I didn't think most states was a serious contender to to be there. That was a favor.
I think Frank Vogel's his old coach.
Yeah, and, you know, he had some good years, and Golden State hasn't been heard from really? Since then on I was leaning towards I mean, maybe bring marching Gortat back from Europe.
I think he would be the best fit right now, just in terms of what he brings to the table.
Really say, I didn't like him very much with when he was with the Clippers.
I thought he had really lost, like, multiple steps.
It looked like I just like what he brings offensively in terms of being able to hit that little short corner jumper.
Okay, being able to give a little bit more space again defensively, it's up in the air.
I don't know who's gonna be good out of these guys like no one would probably be the best one out of them.
I mean, he had a piece of year and with the Grizzlies last year, but I just think that like you mentioned, like Dwight.
Tendency to maybe be a bit of a plug in the middle of the key.
He's gotta learn.
You know, what I do with that paint area is gonna be eighties and LeBron's when he wants, and so you will have to kind of step out and be more of a guy was into crash to the offensive glass.
Then be a guy we're gonna look to get the ball to down low.
And you're right.
I mean, when when I when I first heard the news coming out.
And then I started seeing his meeting with Rondo and McGee and Davis.
Okay, this is kind of interesting because he's like 78 years older than Anthony Davis.
Right? And but you're right.
You know, we have seen this kind of stuff from Dwight heard this kind of stuff from him before.
So you have every reason to be skeptical of the fact that it's a spectacle, which is, but he's getting old enough.
He may need spectacles on this point.
Yeah, it's just a weird It's a weird decision by by the front office here to bring him in, and because of his fit and because of where what he brings to the table, it's such an unknown variable.
It's another reason why the Lakers were gonna be bringing exciting next year when we when we get to see him coming up in a couple of months, yeah, it's going to be Look, it's gonna be a roller coaster with White and you never know, see, like Look, Dwight's gonna say all the right things right now, but the question is, what's that like in February, when guys, you're getting tired? When it's the dog days of the season when people are just looking ahead to the playoffs and nobody wants to be flying out to New Jersey or wherever they're going that month, right? What's his attitude gonna be, then? Is he still going to be okay with not getting those? Post touches were just sitting down, By the way, this is what I Obviously Dwight's not gonna clear out.
He's not clearing out of the pain because nobody is going to go with him.
If Dwight goes in spots up from the corner, nobody's gonna care about and there's gonna leave alone.
I think we're going to see him do what JaVale McGee did last slide down in that dunker position along the baseline and then be ready for the drop off passes.
In the past, Dwight has demanded touches in the post.
He's wanted to get the ball.
He's wanted to get that left hand and shoot that little hook shot.
It was not efficient there, didn't.
Really was, was never really something that you wanted to do is just something you had to do in order to keep Dwight engaged on.
The defensive end.
Was all right. Feed him a few touches.
He's not gonna get that anymore.
And here's the thing that killed me, Jess.
When? When Dwight was a Laker big, strong dude, I wanted to see him set a screen, said A really said just a monster screen on the perimeter and then rolled in the basket.
Catch the ball like he's the freakin juggernaut and power through people and he would never do that.
He used to slip screens, and I know he was coming off injury and some Maybe he was protecting his back, but he would slip screens left and writing.
Nobody could ever shake free because he would just never make good contact.
So that's one thing I'm looking for it because I know the joking.
No, would do it.
I know that joking.
We'll set good screens out there who crashed the boards will do all the dirty work.
The question is, will Dwight do it? And he's not just him saying it.
That doesn't sell me.
I want to see him do it.
Yeah, and that's gonna be you nail on the head, man.
I mean, he has to do that.
And if not, he's off.
He's off the team nb career.
Oh, yeah, He doesn't make it.
I think he knows that this season with the Lakers.
I mean, yeah, he better recognize that he's been around a long time.
He played basically 15 seasons, but this is it.
You know, this is gonna be a swan song if he doesn't learn.
Like, and I think I appreciate it out about somebody like shop right after he was out of Phoenix.
Yeah, he went to Boston.
You went to Cleveland, but he didn't really expect to be the man on those teams.
He was like, Dude, I'm just trying to get a couple of paychecks.
Maybe we'll win another race, and I'm gonna do whatever the team needs me to do now.
His health failed off a little bit in both those stops, and he was older.
But with Dwight.
And I also think this is another key thing that people are underestimating is, you know, His last season with Houston was 2015 2016.
James Harden was coming into his own as the guy, right? Yeah.
Guys in the NBA.
And here it's like Dwight's playing behind LeBron.
He's playing behind 80.
This is their teeth, right? It's LeBron one and 80 is like 18 right? Right.
What's gonna happen here is he's gonna have to shut up and learn his role.
Because otherwise, when he was with the leak back then he was one of the bigger voices in the room.
But he was is bad, man, Right? Are his Robin.
Sorry to experiment.
And so he thought he was that man.
That was a problem.
That was the problem.
He thought he was Batman.
That it turned out he was the Joker.
I said he thought he was Batman, but it turned out he was the Joker.
Yeah, looks like we lost to actually take the back seat.
We dropped out for just a second there, but I get the gist of what you're saying.
Yeah, he's He's got to show that he's gonna be able to take the back seat at this point that he is going to be accepting of that rule.
And that's not an easy thing to do.
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All right, jazz.
So let me throw this at you before we even start talking about about Dwight and where he fits with the Lakers.
Let's talk a little bit about this roster you know you're looking at at the Lakers.
To me, they still have a giant hole at the small forward spot unless they believe that Kyle Cruise, but could be the back of small forwards LeBron James.
And maybe that's what they're thinking.
Personally, I'm not necessarily a believer.
I don't buy that just yet until I see that happen.
I still think he's more of a four, but to me right now you've got Laurent.
And then Taylan Horton Tucker as your backup small forward, one of the youngest players in the draft.
I'm not counting on anything from him because I think that's unfair to a kid.
His his age, Dustin would come in and play right away, so I think they need a backup small forward.
But they just use.
Or in theory, they're using their final roster spot here on Dwight Howard.
What if Andre would only comes open? What if he suddenly springs free from Memphis, just like Dwight is? And he's on the board? What do you do at that point? I think they have enough guys on their on their roster that you could look at making a move, even even treating a guy for a second take if you really want to.
Okay? Or you were mentioning me, taking away a guy like Troy Daniels, right? They have options out there that that they will be able to fill that.
Although I do think Danny Green will do a good, serviceable job playing the three camping on the match up that night.
You know what I mean? If you're going into bigger 6768 guy might not wanna have Danny Green on him.
But if it's a 6665 swing man who's playing the three spot at that time, you can You can probably catch up with him.
But I agree with you.
I think that that's where the hole is, but and this is where we talked about this a couple times on the show is they've got to get creative right, and if they have an opportunity to pick up a guy like Andre Iguodala.
Okay, let's see what we can do to make the move for money.
And they have guys on their team who may work home who might not work.
And if you could look at shipping off another guy, like, you know, find a way to get out of Jared W's contractor, ship him off to another team and give up a second round pick.
Because nobody give me.
You're giving up a first round pick for just attached to Jared Dudley.
But you know, they're gonna have They're gonna have some options there, Thio play with.
And that'll be an interesting thing, because I think if you can get it, Adela, you almost have to this point, right? Yeah, I think you have to.
He's the peace they absolutely need.
I look at this roster and I think you're right.
I think Troy Daniels is the guy that maybe you go with just because you have a little bit of duplication there with Quinn Cook.
I think Quinn Koken do a little bit more.
As far as handling the basketball goes, they've got all these cards they've got. They've got Rondo.
They've got crew. So they have Quinn cook.
They have kcp, they've Avery Bradley.
It just feels like somebody there.
If you're gonna cut anybody, if you're gonna move somebody in order to open up a spot to bring in a guy like Adela.
It feels like it needs to come from the guard spot.
I don't know if I'd go Jared Dudley.
I think he's versatile enough, and I think they need him in the locker room.
Chemistry matters, and that's one of my concerns with Dwight is how much chemistry chemistry matters in the end right now, So I think it's gonna be interesting to see where they go.
I do think that they've got to figure out some way.
If he comes on the market and wants to be a Laker, you've got to find a way to go do it because they badly need what a guy like it would all it can provide.
But But I don't blame the Lakers were going and getting Dwight or going and getting any center because it was very clear after losing to Marcus Cousins.
If you're not gonna play a D there and he doesn't want to do it, they absolutely had to go get a five.
And so in that respect, I think this was ah, good day for the Lakers just because they landed somebody.
That's a big body that can contribute on the floor there, let me ask you this, though.
I mean, if you're Frank, you get Bron James, let's just say right.
I mean, you guys were similar in stature and success, so let's let's compare that.
So if you have to go and realistically because to me yeah, you're right.
I mean, javale McGee hasn't exactly been a beacon of health over the last.
Doesn't play 82 games.
Big men, you know, for the most part, traditionally don't.
So would you not go to 80 and take a look? If you need to play the five, you're gonna have to play that because that may give us our best option out there in terms of roster, cause I look at it, I would now, and the boogie cousins think killed me inside.
I was so upset to see that for that reason that I thought he was gonna have that locked down 30 minute tonight.
But if you go Anthony Davis at the five mile cruise mode before LeBron James at the three and this is without considering Iguodala, then you might want to go.
What? Who would you right round that off? Would you go Danny Green too? And then, you know, and then getting on who's playing better.
It's like a rotating spot at the other barn.
Yeah, it No, it's It's Alex Caruso.
Okay, I e I think he really does have a shot.
I think he does.
But I think you could make an argument for Quinn Cook.
I think you could make an argument for Avery Bradley, depending on the situation.
That's when they're gonna they're gonna have to battle it out.
Notice the name.
I didn't say in there, but yeah, you're gonna have to let those guys battle it out and figure that out.
But you know what? As faras are you gonna go to a D and tell him he has to play there? I'm gonna say no, no, you're not gonna go to eighties.
Don't want to keep my baby to close the game, closing it like final five minutes or something like that.
Then I think you can I think you can kind of broach that subject.
You say, Hey, D, we need We need a death line up, right? And and you being the center.
That's our death lineup.
That's what we need.
So we need you, You in there and I think he'd be okay with that.
But what you don't want to do is you don't want to piss off a D.
You don't want him banging against fives.
You know what? I'm playing 25 minutes a night or even like last season with the pelicans.
He played most of his time at center.
You don't want him doing that all season going into the offseason, beat up and hating life and then thinking about Oh, well, you know, maybe another team won't play me at center.
Maybe there's something in the grass is greener somewhere else.
It's such a big risk.
And if the Lakers think that this is gonna help keep Anthony Davis fresh if they think it's gonna help him keep keep him healthy, then absolutely.
You playing with the four and you limit his minutes of the five, which does appear to be their plan right now.
Yeah, that's that's what I was saying.
Like, you know, you're not gonna have to play in their 30 minutes, and I assure you, if you need to, you know, again in the well, it's like you want to have your best five guys on the court and to me playing acting Davis that the five makes the most sense because, as you mentioned, Kyle Cruise mode right now top three player on this roster e yeah, I mean, I think I think you hope he's top three right at this point, and that's really that's the downside of that.
Not to cut you off.
You're just But that's the That's the, uh, the in addition to losing DeMarcus cousins.
I don't want to say it's the only downside of losing it, because that's ah, tragedy in its own right.
But Kyle Cruise? But the margin of error for him is now meniscal.
The Lakers basically have to see Koosman step up s so he's gotta hit that next level of play in order for the Lakers to really contend.
So, yeah, that's that's definitely a factor here in this Lakersseason that I still had a question from from somebody on Twitter earlier, and I will share it with you.
How long do they give you asthma before they consider moving him for a guard who could get his own shot? What do you think? I saw somebody asking that, too, and I don't think it happens I don't think they go ahead and move, coos Mo Yan might help help you balance your roster out, but they look they fought pretty hard to keep him out of the Anthony Davis deal, and I think they did that for a reason.
They really like Cosmo.
They like him both off the court and and on, and so I don't think he's going anywhere.
I think if you were willing to hold him out of that Anthony Davis dealers, that if that was the piece that you clung so tightly to write over, overloads a ball over Brandon Ingram and and all of that right over over the number four, pick all of those things You valid valued Cosme above those.
I just don't see them moving him.
His deal is tough to trade because he makes so little.
It'll be It'll be tough to do, that's for sure.
Yeah, you know, he's the guy.
I mean, a CZ we talked about.
We talked about the Lakers all summer, but we looked at it.
We know Etienne LeBron of the guys.
There's no debate about that.
Nobody's jumping up until that role to take theirs.
And then we were always kind of like cousins.
You know what I mean? To me.
I almost started Boogie and the third best Claire.
And then who's my eyes like, There's three and 1/2? Yeah, No, I'm with you and and now it's like he has to be vaulted into this position that he's got to be one of the best three, especially offensive players, right? I mean, defensively, you're hoping you take another step and does get a little bit better, and hopefully it's time The Team USA and Pop will help that.
But when you look at what he was doing on the court last year, I think he is.
And I think that LeBron took a liking to him, too, because he does have a bit of that.
Killer instinct does either skill wise, and I think that he is the guy I'm looking at now to say Okay, you have a hole there and, like you mentioned, maybe not best suited to play the three just cause of insides and heighten the NBA's gonna change down with a force more of outside threat than a threat.
And so to me, if you're looking at the Gloucester.
It's like at the end of the game, like you mentioned last 56 minutes to close it out.
You gotta have crews mine in there and you gotta play him at the four and hopefully 80 is willing to make a move into playing the center.
Even then even have mentioned if it's 56 minutes a night.
Yeah, I think that I think that will be the case.
I think that's the route that they'll go.
We'll see how it all plays out, of course, but I think that's the way it's gonna go on, by the way, not to turn this into the Koosman show or anything, but I like what Cruz has been doing for Team USA.
His focus has been really on three things.
Defense, three point shooting and cutting to the basket.
And that Sze brilliant because that's exactly what they're gonna be asking him to do this season with the Lakers.
There, he's not got to worry about handling the ball or anything like that makes smart cuts when people are stupid and turned their head and start watching LeBron and 80 he's gonna get easy baskets that way, he's gonna get looks on the perimeter, and he needs to defend.
If he could do those three things, we could see a nice season from Kyle Kuzma.
Let me hit you with this jazz.
Does Dwight start? No.
You've got javale starting then, right? Yeah, I think I feel it starts.
And like like you mentioned at the top of the show.
Man, if Dwight is really mature enough and kind of, you know, he has grown and admitted that this is probably his last shot to stay in the league, he's got to get used to that.
We're gonna see if you sulky and pouting and whatever real quick early.
And I think the ville does start over him.
Are you benching him Just as a test? Are you? Bring him off the bench just to test how, How, how, How seriously is.
Okay, let's be fair.
I'm saying, as right now, without seeing him on the court and without training camp in preseason games, I would start to feel if he comes in and people are saying he's £25 lighter and and you know, he looks good and he has the right attitude.
If he comes in and kicks butt in the preseason, then yeah, you gotta start him, too.
But I think that I'm saying that might be a sign of the level of maturity and accepting the fact that, okay, you know what? I have to accept a lesser rule that, let's say the sky's part and everything is perfect and you've got 100% JaVale McGee at his current age and 1% Dwight Howard at his current age.
Dwight's better, right? Who is either busy, the better player at his current age right now, where they're at, if they, if they are as healthy as they possibly can be right now, everything individually, individually for an individual, Which one's better play? Okay, Yeah, I think.
What? I think that his his upside, his ultimate ceiling is higher.
I mean, you look at what he did that season with the Hornets again.
Big numbers on a bad team.
But the rebounding stats that that work were impressive.
6 points and he's not going to get that here with the Lakers.
But here's the thing.
Yeah, I mean, that's that's insane, right If you're getting those numbers, that or something went horribly wrong.
If you're getting those numbers out of it, what does that mean? He's touching the ball away too much.
Uh, yeah, that's that.
That's the other way to go with this.
But if you look at Ed White as it just as a player, he's a guy who has historically relied on his athleticism, which is insane.
He was just bigger, faster, stronger, can jump higher than anybody else on the floor.
And he has never really developed the rest of his game.
So you've got guys like like Sage Oil and Beat who, assuming his stays somewhat healthy, could his game could age fairly well because he's got the skill to go along with the athleticism.
Dwight never really developed that skill part of it, so there's some question marks there.
That's what makes it a little bit closer between JaVale and Dwight, because Dwight isn't the freak athlete anymore, and JaVale isn't as athletic.
But I don't think jail's decline has been quite a steepest whites.
But yes, I think in a vacuum twice, probably better player.
But I'm kind of on board with this idea.
Bring him off the bench to start the season just to kind of testament.
See? See if he will live up to his word of Hey, now you're coming off the bench behind JaVale McGee.
The shack in a full M V P.
How you doing, Dwight? Are you Are you still gonna be setting screens out there? Are you still rolling hard? Are you still gonna be smiling in the locker room and and cheering on your teammates? That would be a way to find out real quick.
You're sitting and buying a guy You stick to school at the beginning of your career day and 56 years into.
How do you feel? No, you're right.
You know, it's interesting because Dwight Howard, he to me, is like a symbol of the MBA.
What? It used to be right in terms of big man.
Can't really shoot.
Trying to develop a bit of a mid range shot.
He's They've seen that a couple times now that it's consistent, but he's like one of those, like, again big man on the block.
Go down low, dominate the pain.
And now the NBA's evolved into ah, five position list basketball.
So to me in the air, you're mentioned that, like JaVale within a team setting right now based on past recent history, is the better option to start because jails like, Dude, my job is set.
Some screen slipped the screen, get some lobs and get some donuts, right? And so that's where I think he fits in.
But you're right.
I mean, if Dwight comes in and plays, too 50 60% of what he was in Orlando, this is a win for the Lakers.
It just depends on what goes on up here, right? The mental? Yeah, that's and that's always gonna be the question.
And he has assured everyone that that's the side of himself that he has fixed.
And then he's figured it all out, and he said Things are right in a life and and all of that.
But again, we've heard it before, so he's gonna have to prove it out there and let me let's end with this Jazz, as as much of them saying, I'm skeptical about this as much as you know.
Maybe there's that bad blood from the 2012 2013 season.
And there's that that that feeling of just kind of disdain toward toward Dwight Howard.
I feel like I'm not angry, but I've seen people on Twitter who are, like, angry about this, and I get it.
I understand why people would be upset.
I just can't dwell in it.
It's like, this is the move that they made.
And now I hope for both.
I hope for both Dwight and the Lakers.
I hope it works out for the best.
I hope that Dwight really does live up.
And maybe maybe I'm foolish.
Maybe I'm just gonna get my heart broken all over again because he's not gonna be able to.
But I'm gonna look at this on the optimistic side, I must say, I hope that it works out for him, just like I hoped that it worked out for Boogie Cousins.
I hope that he can continue playing this end game at a high level.
And I hope that it works out for the Lakers that they wind up getting the peace that they really need.
Because let's face it, the talent that Dwight has is pretty pretty impressive.
He could still do some good things out there.
And so from from here, on.
I mean, let's trying to just be be positive about it.
Hopefully, it'll work.
I would have gone know it.
Like I said, I don't necessarily agree with the decision.
But you know what? There's an opportunity here, and I sure hope that Dwight seizes on it.
Are you? Yeah, and the people who are angry? It's like, Dude is sex six years ago, you know what I mean? Like, get over it.
Not like the Lakers are like they were bringing Dwight Howard back on a three year, $30 million deal, right? Exactly committed to having him around regardless of his stinky attitude.
If he has one, it's a flyer like you mentioned.
You wanted Boogie Cousins to do what I want to boogie cousins to do well in Golden State because I want him to be, Yeah, you reach the level that he deserved to.
Now, with Dwight, it's more if he does well, a good thing for the Lakers.
And so if you re a Lakers fan, you're not looking this and saying, Oh, you know, we hate what you're like.
No, dude, it's water under the bridge.
It's professional sports. If he brings.
If he brings his a game and does a good job, then it's a good thing for the organization.
So you should be supporting him at this point rather than saying Let it go.
They did something wrong because they didn't They had ahold of Bill and they felt he was the best choice.
So it's a risk, really Risk free mental.
Let's see what happens.
Yeah, look, a lot of people are going to say what White wasn't the guy.
He wasn't a guy that should go a lot of people, said Kenneth Faried.
If he had even been an option, which we didn't hear that he was, but he would have been the top of my list even though he's undersized.
I would have liked to have him out there, but again they went with Dwight.
There's a reason why they went with Dwight and hopefully we'll get to see that and hopefully he will wind up living up to the expectations and they don't wind up cutting him or anything like that and he winds up flourishing here in Los Angeles.
I think that would be it would be a really nice maybe end possibly to his story in basketball to come back and fix a situation where, when he left on such bad terms, I think there's There's an interesting narrative there, and I really hope that does happen because I hope for the best for him.
I hope for the best for DeMarcus cousins.
You know, all these players, that it's easy to dehumanize them and just think, Okay, you know, it's a basketball player. He wrong does.
I'm gonna hate him forever.
They're human beings way they do things. They say things.
Sometimes you you agree with them, sometimes you don't.
But the end of the day, I tried to wish success for other people.
Yeah, Yeah, you're right, man.
I mean, and I think that's the biggest thing.
He came into the league out of high school.
He was 18 years old.
Imagine making you know whatever his contract was getting.
Millions tens of millions of dollars at 18 19 years old, hard, hard to mature.
Hard to figure things out because you have everything laid on late on a silver platter for you, right? And I think that's where people need to look at it.
Yeah, they're human beings like you mentioned and people grow in, people change And you know what? Maybe having to hit rock bottom as you mentioned might be something for him to look forward to.
And I think you know, it's always interesting to me, and I don't understand it to hear the show a little bit here.
But when you have players like Dwight, who came in with all this, I really took his team for he was the M V P candidate for a good 34 years. There's Orlando.
When you look at guys like that, it's like you hope that there's something inside them. That's a man.
I probably should have.
Maybe this is my chance to win a championship, so I'm gonna sit back and do whatever it is I got to do because I might have a year, maybe two left after this.
Who knows, whatever my body, how my body temp's down and whatever ends up happening.
So I'm hoping he comes in like this is my last shot.
I'm gonna give him my best.
I'm gonna be a great teammate and like I said, if that's the case, and he puts up 67 points with 45 rebounds a night for the Lakers.
It's a winning, that's what.
See him as successful as he can be and the Lakers get as much out of as you can.
And then hopefully he can walk away at some point without any regrets, without any of those lingering over him.
All right, all right.
Jess, I think we did a nice job.
Kind of summarizing all of this.
At least I hope we did a nice job against the listeners.
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Jess, thanks so much for helping on here with me, man. I appreciate it.
It's always find them when you have it.
Use breaking like this.
You can't wait to talk about it.
So I'm always excited to come on with you.
And hopefully Dwight delivers, please, doing please.
All right, everybody, Thanks again.
And until next time I see you