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people.
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All right.
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Good morning, everybody.
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Welcome to SportsCastr News with your host, Matt Brooks.
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Um, I hope everyone is doing well today.
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This is probably gonna be nationwide one of the least productive days.
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As you can tell, I haven't slept at all or anything like that.
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A very big night last night and exciting one, which we don't have to go into too much, but, you know, just nonetheless, I think a lot of people are probably in the same boat watching the election that we had here.
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So yeah, it only makes sense that when we wake up, we are met with a cascade of NBA rumors.
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So I'm gonna try to do it, you know, kind of go through them and the best that I can with my eyes, you know, have shut, Uh, and, uh and yeah, well, we'll try to try to make make some sense of everything that we've gotten in the last day or two.
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So first off, let's talk about why these rumors air coming out yesterday kind of in the thick of the election process, or really, when it was just about to start, Shams Turaani of the athletic put a believe this was yesterday.
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Got time doesn't exist anymore.
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I actually don't know if this was yesterday.
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This is a great segment already.
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Regardless, shams terranea put out a tweets and then a little bit of an article, I believe kind of detail ing the MBA would be having a vote, um, regarding when the season would return.
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So, uh, you know, So it's basically between MLK day in December 22nd.
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Remember MLK Day? There's been a lot of push from, honestly, quite a bit of push from LeBron James, but it seems like other teams that went pretty deep in the playoffs as well um, it seems like some teams that have been played since March are not necessarily in that in that grouping, um, and then all the board of governors or owners or whatever you'd like to call them, And the league itself are pushing for the 20 seconds.
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So you have two competing sides, um, two sides that have not always been on the exact exact same page this year.
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I think that's the best way to put it.
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I talked about this with Adam, are broke a little bit earlier this week on on our streams.
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So if you if you want, go watch that, you could go watch that through my channel.
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Backslash Matt Brooks or go find it back slash adam are break.
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Um, regardless, we had a situation where it seemed like the players union and the league itself were not on the same page.
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There's been a lot of pushback from the the really the border governors in the league, just basically around the financial ramifications.
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So I believe there was something along the lines of like 500 million that was gonna be lost.
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The players were losing a large percentage of their potential salaries in escrow.
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There's just a lot of money being left on the table, and and yeah, and this was a great reminder that we live in a capitalistic society and money tends to talk.
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So it seems like there's gonna be a vote on Thursday.
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It seems like that vote is probably gonna push things toward that December 22nd date, which means that we are looking at a season in about a month and a half so that I think we'll get some clarity.
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I'm sure I mean, honestly, knowing the way the MBA works, it will probably be when me and Adam are on tomorrow at 10.
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30 s.
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Oh, that's kind of That's kind of where we're at right now.
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They've got a hammer out some things.
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We've got to know when trades could be made.
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We have to know when free agency is gonna actually happen.
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The only thing that we have concrete right now is the draft, which has been scheduled at, um, you know, November 18th for a couple months now.
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So a lot of things need to get hammered out, but it does seem like we are about to get a start date and presumptively.
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Once we get a start date, we're gonna know about all those other things.
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So again, the things I said free agency, the trade, the acquisition period, or when moratorium is, what it's called is lifted.
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So when teams could really start making deals and then, you know, just preseason and training campus, Well, though, it does seem like training camp will start on December 1st.
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So obviously a lot of things up in the air, it zbig big.
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It's a big time right now.
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They've got to figure out a lot of things and and figure out how to fit it all in and really like a month and a half.
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But, you know, it seems like they're getting They're nearing the finish line with all of this.
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So, um, that's where we're at right now.
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Uh, they Yeah, the players air voting and or we'll know.
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We'll know sooner than later.
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Um, because of that, I think some teams were starting to operate under the pretenses that you know they are.
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They are nearing a point where they could start trading with one another.
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They could start making deals.
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They could start sort of configuring their rosters and figuring out who's gonna go where.
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So that means for maybe one of the biggest trade candidates of all and a guy that I think people have been super mixed on just because of the Stan Van Gundy hiring is Drew holiday, which is why we're here today.
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So there's a couple teams I think they could get him.
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Um, Denver could make some sense if they put Michael Porter in the picture.
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The heat could make some sense, though.
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It looks like they're not gonna trade Tyler hero for really anybody.
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Um, except for Yannis, which is an obvious one.
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But that rumor did come out yesterday, Um, which, which I mean, makes sense.
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I think that Miami is doing the thing where they try to build for the future, but also remain competitive in the present.
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And if you trade Tyler hero, which is really one of your best young ass, that's next to, um, you know, bam out of bio, you kind of lose a little bit at leverage.
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You're going for more of a wind now approach.
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I'm just not sure if true holiday puts them over the top and really makes the better than any of the competitors.
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I mean, maybe he feels that.
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Yeah, but I would argue there's still just a little bit of a talent.
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Discrepancy is greatest.
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Coach SPO is, and and as great as Obama's and as great as Jimmy is, I just still think they need, like that number one scoring option, like they just need somebody to really take the reins of this.
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So So, yeah, so I don't I don't think that he's gonna be made available.
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So then it comes to the team and I look like I'm waiting on the hat.
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Brooklyn Nets.
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Man, I've did a stream for my show basketball more, which again you can find on my channel or you can find here on SportsCastr.
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It is a featured SportsCastr Vaud cast and podcast.
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Um, yeah, you confined that conversation.
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I did it with a guy named Sham.
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It do a who does stuff for Bourbon Street shots, which is a ESPN true who blogged? Um, he wrote and has written some stuff and has shared some thoughts and has done some podcasts on the true holiday market.
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We actually did a podcast together, and we talked about a deal that made a lot of sense for both sides.
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The deal, of course, involves Caris Levert, who is a guy who was a lot of a lot of suitors, I would say in the league, including the Nets, who are incredibly high on him and really don't want to move him unless it's for, like, a star player on bats, something Aiken like verify through just hearing.
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And I just I have almost 100% cer*****y of that.
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So So yeah, So Caris Levert is somebody that, uh, that that you know, they really don't want to move unless it's for somebody, somebody that really takes them over the top.
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They view him as a guy that could be the third star.
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He's a guy that, you know, they drafted in a trade for that young with the 20th overall pick.
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He's somebody that's been there throughout the entirety of their growth.
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Um, since they were a team with no draft assets now growing into a title contender, he's just been there the entire way.
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They've always been high on him and, um, yeah, man, look like a cover the team.
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I'm in Brooklyn like I e I.
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There is a lot of confidence that that comes from this organization regarding, um, you know, regarding Caris Levert.
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But, uh, you know, look, this this episode I did on my show basketball more, we talked about what the pelicans need.
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Here's what they need.
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Yes, they have some really nice young talent.
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They have Lonzo ball who look, I understand, like he's a little bit of a gap filler and not so much a star.
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But gap fillers are important.
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They have Zion, who's a very interesting star player but is absolutely one of them.
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And they have Brandon Ingram, who I think succeeds as a solo artist.
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He maybe doesn't quite fit into the winning team archetype, but he is somebody that is a really strong.
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Yeah, he's just a really good player.
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But what they don't have right now is any connective ity between all these young players and exciting, um, you know, exciting.
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Either veteran level players or even, like just, you know, I don't know.
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Fringe guys like it just feels like everybody on that roster is exciting, but they don't really have anybody who's going to set the table.
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That's one of the things we talked about in great detail.
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Caris Levert.
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First off, if we learned anything from the bubble and I'm I know I'm the only person who watched the Brooklyn Nets in their bubble because they put out like a G League team.
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But I watched them a lot.
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I watch every single game.
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I actually watch every single game twice because I do a lot of film stuff as a journalist.
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That's kind of my niche if you will.
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Um, I watch every game twice.
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Caris Levert took a big leap as a playmaker the scoring he's already always had.
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Yeah, he started flashing a little bit more of a, um, ability to score from the mid range, but it was his playmaking that really jumped off the page.
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He was really hitting his guys with these skip passes.
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You saw like guys like Timothy Liu awoke Tabaro.
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He broke out in a big way in the bubble, and that's not a coincidence.
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It's It's with Caris Levert being a table setter, being a really excellent playmaker.
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Um, he showed that he's probably going forward.
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He's probably a point guard.
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I mean, you know, and the Nets have said that since really they started deploying him.
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He played a lot of games as a rookie as a point guard, Um, this is a guy that they believed for a long time can really handle the lead guard position, and he showed that he's absolutely capable of that.
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So that's what the Pelicans need, like Drew holidays, a great fit for them, and I think he feels a lot of the small gaps for them.
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But even more than what they need that as like then, like a really strong defensive player, like through they need somebody who can really move the ball, make sure everybody's working in harmony.
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And that's what Caris Levert is on the flip side for the Brooklyn Nets and I.
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And look, I'm sorry, I I think he makes a lot of sense for somebody like Denver.
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I just have some questions about whether Denver is willing to do it right now.
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Andi, I could talk about them, and just second, but the Drew did.
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Brooklyn trade just makes so much sense.
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Um, for Brooklyn, he makes a ton of sense because he's a guy that, you know, he's 30.
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Um, he's a really just top notch defender.
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He's kind of.
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I call him like a star role player, like he does a lot of role player things in terms of like, you know, he dies for 50 50 balls.
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He's a guy that, um, you know, just he's he's probably better is a spot up shooter than is somebody that's that's dribbling into threes.
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Um, you know, and he's an okay.
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He's okay.
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Taking care of the ball.
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I don't actually even think he should really be used as a point guard, which is funny because that's what he came in the league as he's really better as a an off guard is somebody who handles difficult assignments.
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That's exactly what the Nets need.
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Like they have a backcourt right now of right now, It's Caris, Levert and Kyrie Irving, neither of whom are are good defenders.
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Kyrie Irving's undersized. He can.
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He can put in effort and he can.
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You know he can scrap his way, but he's not great in terms of fundamental.
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He doesn't get around screens well, every single time.
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Hey, loses guys on back cuts.
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I mean, he's prone to his lapses.
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And again, he's just a little bit undersized, which doesn't do him any favors.
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Caris Levert is notoriously just I mean, you know, this guy came in is like a defensive prospect, and he's kind of settled into being someone who has his lapses and doesn't seem to focus in and kind of rests on the other end of the floor, which is, for me a little bit troubling.
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As much as I like him as a player, it just it's it's kind of what he settled into.
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Being Drew fills a lot of the gaps.
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I mean, you look at the Brooklyn Nets.
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It's like they need somebody that can guard one through 31 through four e That I mean Drew Holiday guarded Kevin Durant a couple of years ago in the what was that? The 2018 playoffs whenever they were lasted and they played the the Warriors back when Durant was there? I mean, he was guarding K D.
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And I don't know.
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I think that's a big bounty.
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Um, he's a guy, that he's not afraid of anybody, and he's going to take those assignments.
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He's probably the best perimeter defender in the league.
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The Nets need before they could use a perimeter defender and through holiday.
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Phil is one of those those holes, so I think it makes a ton of sense for them.
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I'll spend a little bit of time on on Denver, and then I'll get into two last rumors that I don't know how official they are, but I saw them just sort of while looking through the, uh, news column on SportsCastr, which you you guys should use.
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By the way, um, you know, it's it's a simple is going live and hitting MBA news.
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There's some pretty fun topics.
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If you're an MBA fan today.
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So, um, yeah, So let's let's let's spend a little bit of time on Denver because I think that's the only other team that reasonably could put out a strong offer for Drew Holiday and also make a little bit of sense for them.
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So Denver is tricky because you look at the Nets and you say, Okay, this is a team.
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They're obviously going for it in the next year or two.
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Denver, you know, they advanced all the way to the Western Conference finals, their window maybe right now.
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And it's really, really tricky when you see a young team like them peaking because it's just always hard to tell, like, how much of that is noise? Are they actually breaking out right now? Is this who Jamal Murray is? And is he hitting that star level ascension right now? Especially when all of that progress occurs in a freaking bubble.
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I mean, talk about a weird situation for them.
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They not only have to measure the always tough to quantify variable of Oh, are we hitting our, you know, our ascendance, which is again really hard for young teams to dio, um, what's a good example like you could point to What's a young team that kind of, I mean, look like you could say, the Celtics air going through that a little bit or even like Portland from a couple of years ago? Um, you know, it's like when when you have a young team that you're not quite sure where they're at in their progression.
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And then you add in this weird variable where you know these teams are not playing for three months and then playing in a bubble away from families and there's guys getting sick or or hitting injuries or just missing games and there's no, you know, there's there's a weird lack of chemistry that may or may not be built within that bubble environment.
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I just think it's a really weird situation for them.
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Um, I thought they were legit.
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So if they swing a trade for for Drew, I think it makes some sense I would actually be in the camp of being like, Hey, you know what? Michael Porter Jr is an awesome player, and I like that he Hey, 6 10, you can shoot over anybody.
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I get it.
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And I thought he actually competed decently well defensively by the end of the entire bubble.
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And I actually think just because of his physical gifts, I do think there's some possibility for growth there.
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But But if you guys feel like you can win next year, then yeah, I would.
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I would take Gary Harris and Michael Porter Jr and and flip that right now.
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Right now for Drew.
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Holiday? Absolutely, absolutely.
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And I think if if you're New Orleans and you have Michael Porter Jr and you have Caris, Levert, Caris, Levert I mean, look, I said how great of a fit he is.
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But they also were a young team.
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I think that David Griffin realizes that and and look, let's be honest.
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Like if David Griffin wanted to win right now, he wouldn't trade Drew holiday.
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He wouldn't.
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He wouldn't.
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They just hired Stan Van Gundy, who's really on.
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Lee worked with teams that air in when now position.
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I mean, Orlando is a great example and then Detroit the entire time they tried to win, the problem was he was just also their general manager and kind of, you know, a president of operations and also, uh, submarine that But if they wanted to win right now, you keep Drew holiday.
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But that's clearly not the way they're going.
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Michael Porter Jr Because of his age because of his upside because of his measurements.
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Uh, just as somebody who just again can shoot over anybody has got a little bit of like, you know, dare I say it Durant to his game.
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And I you know, he also could be Danilo Gallinari, which is also another good player.
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Um, he's got some wiggle to him and you look at him and you look at, like, a 26 year old Caris Levert.
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And if you're saying, Hey, I want to go for I want to take a real swing at this, I want to take somebody that I really think Congrats, Oh, into a top.
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I mean, how high do you want to go on? Michael Porter Jr.
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I think that he's got a ton of variance to him.
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Um, you could tell me he's gonna be a solid starter, and you could tell me he's gonna be a NOL eh? NBA player, and I don't know if I would disagree with either one.
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I think there's some questions about his health, obviously, but his physical gifts and his his again, the ability to shoot it is legit.
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I mean, you need that.
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If you're an athletic three point shooter and you have a lot of confidence to your to your game, it's tough for me to tell you that I don't think that guy is gonna be good.
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And just so that's the That's the position.
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There they are in a nice position.
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The pelicans.
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I mean, where they can either feel the guy that I think makes a lot of sense for their roster in terms of what they need and has a little bit of star upside in Caris, Levert.
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Or they can look at Michael Porter Jr and say, Let's take a swing for this like this is a guy that people were over the moon about in the seating games.
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And I felt like actually, you know, showed some improvement throughout the bubble playoffs.
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I you know, I know he is.
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His role declined as it went on, but I thought he was better and better and stretches.
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There were a couple moments against the Clippers where he really looked like he belonged out there, and that's all you really need for a guy that missed an entire year.
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You know, like this is a guy that missed an entire year of of potential growth because of injury, didn't play a ton throughout the year.
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I don't know.
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I think it's gonna be fun, and I would expect those two teams to be battling it out.
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All depends on what Denver puts on the table, though Denver hasn't given any indications that they're willing to move him.
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That could change if, if they really are, is high on Andrew is, as you know as it comes out.
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And you know, if they if they realize that their whatever they're putting out there, you know, and I don't know what it would be, would it be Monte Boris and Gary Harris or something like that? I don't know.
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I'm just throwing something out there, But if what they're putting out there isn't moving the needle and the Pelicans are saying, Look, we've got a better deal like you never know.
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Denver really may say next year is our year.
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We think we can win it.
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We think the Lakers air coming off a weird situation where they had a grueling playoff run. And now we're starting early.
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And maybe LeBron isn't playing like the West could be more wide open than we thought.
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I mean, we just don't know.
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So yeah, I mean, I think it'll be fun, and these conversations have been happening for a while.
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I can tell you that much.
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I'm sorry. My camera is going in and out today.
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Uh, but yeah, that the drew holiday conversations have been going on since since the bubble.
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And it seems like there's some new light, some new.
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You got gasoline were pouring it on the fire right now of the Drew holiday thing.
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And it's just it's interesting to see that the Stan Van Gundy trade has not affected things.
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And I And by the way, I think that's the right way.
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You go about this.
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If you're the pelicans, you say we're you know, what is what is Drew holiday do for us in the short term? You know, he might get us the eight seed with this roster and a new coach, but we want to build something for the future.
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It just makes sense to move the guy that's 30 and has a lot of value, and we'll have 25 teams chasing him.
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It just does, and it's smart and I got to give him props.
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So let's do these last two things.
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Um, the first one and both of these air from the Bill Simmons podcast.
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I believe I was looking through that.
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So I don't know.
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I mean, you know, I personally don't listen.
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I don't I I just I haven't usually these types of rumors about where guys air going and who's unhappy.
00:21:04
It's Bill Simmons.
00:21:06
Podcast doesn't always have rumors, but that school, if they dio the first one, is that Devin Booker is unhappy and it's the worst kept secret in the leak in Phoenix, which I don't know.
00:21:22
I think I could see there being some attrition in terms of.
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They've had a lot of tough seasons where they just haven't put a good product on the floor, and they haven't surrounded him by anything, and it's really hurt his perception.
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I mean, he's just now getting nods, is a top 20 player and and and rightfully so.
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And it also may be deserved because this was the first year where he really like I don't want to say that.
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But this was a year where he really looked fully in control of everything and just really knew the full parameters of what he could do on the basketball court.
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So I get if he's unhappy there.
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I think it's a weird time for that rumor to come out, especially with how they looked in the bubble.
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If they fall short again and we've seen this a lot, like we'll see a young team like take the Sacramento Kings from what was that two years ago? They look great.
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The wheel is kind of fall off towards the very end.
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Now there was the Luke Walton hiring who? Not a Luke Walton guy.
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Um, they they make a coaching change, which was dumb, and they've done this a couple times.
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They did this with Michael Malone and they did this with Yeager.
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They made a coaching change.
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It dramatically hurt the roster and the quality of the product and and the wheels fell off a little bit.
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Um and and and we see this happened way.
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See, this happened with young teams.
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They look great for a stretch and, uh, and they fall off a little bit. Miami.
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I believed in this two years ago where they went some absurd.
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I don't know what they're winning Percentage was, but they were one of the worst teams in the East.
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They get off to a crazy hot start, really, That that? Well, they closed the season out on, like a really nice finish, and then the next year they come out flat.
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They missed the playoffs.
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I think they were the tent.
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See, that was two years ago, so so that it happens.
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And Phoenix, maybe one of those teams.
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I thought there were a lot of really good signs.
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Uh, I like their wing depth.
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I think everybody does.
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Everybody likes him.
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Call Bridges.
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Cam Johnson seems like a legit floor space and somebody who could survive defensively.
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DeAndre, 18, is really interesting, Andi and they also could be a stealth, and I like to throw this out.
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I wish it would happen.
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I would love if they got Chris Paul.
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I think that's a great way to show, you know, Devin Booker that you're committed to winning, but if they come out flat next year, they don't make any major moves.
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You know they draft and just kind of throw the same thing out there If they come out flat in the West is really competitive, and they're not in the mix.
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Yeah, I think I think I'm ready for that noise a little bit, because I Then it makes sense.
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You know, you wanna build on something you wanna have, you wanna have a feeling of doesn't have to be linear progress, but you just you want to feel like you're building something you want to feel like There's, ah, plan and uphill trajectory, which, by the way, I think James Jones has been awesome for them.
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And I was, you know, look, you can point at the T.
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J Warren thing. I would argue.
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Like, look, you probably should have gotten more for him, but, you know, they've made the right moves. T.
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J. Warren was addition by subtraction.
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I don't think he would move the needle for them that much.
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To be honest with you, it they built a roster that makes much more sense around Devin Booker.
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You know, they've kind of used him as ah James harden and light, if you will, where they just put floor spacers around him.
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They have a guy who I think is gonna be really interesting in a pick and roll combination with Atan or if they bring Baines back cuts a pick and pop option.
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Um, I just, you know, they've kind of built.
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Jones has built the right Ross around him, and I just I'm not ready to go there yet, So that's where I'm at with that.
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We'll see.
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Well, I just It's too early for me to be, you know, to be out on the Devin Booker in Phoenix thing.
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You just never know.
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You never know right now.
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And there's a lot up in the air in terms of where he could go just too much uncer*****y financially for me to really, really, really look at this.
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But, you know, I get it. If he's unhappy.
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It's been a little bit of a tough tenure, but I don't know now is not the time.
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Let's see what happens next year.
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We'll conclude on this Gordon Hayward.
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There's rumors that he may turn down his player option, which is just bizarre to me.
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Um, I get if he wants to do something like a deal over Mawr years for less annually.
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I just weird, though, right? Like you couldn't pick a worse time for him to try to sign a deal right now.
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I mean, maybe he's just like, I just want something because every single year it he just can't stay healthy.
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So maybe he's just, like, look like there's perhaps, Maybe they know about a suitor out there.
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That's like, Hey, we'll take a chance on you.
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I'm gonna be a huge day.
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It will be like an M l e or something like that, but we'll give you that option.
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Maybe it'll be that 9 to $10 million full midlevel exception, which is what some teams have but very weird to me.
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Um, I would sure take that player option if I was Gordon Hayward.
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I really would, um I don't know. We'll see.
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You know, And this is always funny because I think we deal with this quite a bit.
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Is that some? Every year there's a free agent that does a little bit of posturing about Oh, well, I'm not sure if I'm gonna pick up my player option and all this and all that, and I don't really know what type of a negotiation tactic, that is.
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But, I mean, maybe it's just to throw that out there to kind of, I don't know, alert the market that maybe he has a suitor.
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I'm gonna tell you right now, pretty much everybody that has a player option that's more than like, You know that, then Then what? How How how low can we go? More than $10 million.
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You better pick that up.
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This is not a market to go test things and say, Oh, well, I got something else better.
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It's just not so if you were.
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If you're Gordon Hayward and you got the last year of your max deal, Pick that up.
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Don't be silly.
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Do not be silly.
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It's just like this is not.
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It's a terrible market, too.
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Go for something like that and decide I'm gonna test my market.
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I'm going to see what it's like out there for me.
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It's just not the right market.
00:27:42
We are in a global depression, and the n B A is hurting.
00:27:46
We have no idea what the salary cap is gonna look like next year.
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I think they're gonna probably iron it out right now.
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but we just don't know.
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We don't know how many losses they're gonna happen.
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And e I mean, look, if you're an agent and you have the ability for your client to make that much money, seems like it always easy choice to me.
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But, I mean, hey, it is what it is.
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Um, but that's all I got today.
00:28:10
I have I don't have it sent to plug this week.
00:28:13
It's been a zay said a very busy week.
00:28:17
But I do have somebody coming on my show Basketball MAWR, which you can watch here on. SportsCastr.
00:28:21
Um, I have Kaitlin Cooper coming on my show to talk Indiana Pacers, which will be fun.
00:28:27
Um, that she's she's excellent.
00:28:30
She is, like, one of the smartest basketball people, period.
00:28:35
I mean, she she is awesome.
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00:28:38
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Get some rest.
00:28:58
Um, if you're like me, you didn't sleep a ton.
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So get some rest and, uh, and get ready because I think tomorrow we're gonna have a pretty big news drop.
00:29:07
Get ready for that.
00:29:08
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And what this next month and a half is gonna look like for the MBA.
00:29:17
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Pelicans rumors: New Orleans discussing Jrue Holiday trade with several contenders

New Orleans Pelicans guard Jrue Holiday has long been in the center of swirling rumors and speculations in recent seasons. His relocation might already come to fruition in the near future as the Pelicans are reportedly discussing him in trade talks with several contending teams looking to be suitors, as per Shams Charania of The […]

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people.
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All right.
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Good morning, everybody.
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Welcome to SportsCastr News with your host, Matt Brooks.
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Um, I hope everyone is doing well today.
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This is probably gonna be nationwide one of the least productive days.
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As you can tell, I haven't slept at all or anything like that.
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A very big night last night and exciting one, which we don't have to go into too much, but, you know, just nonetheless, I think a lot of people are probably in the same boat watching the election that we had here.
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So yeah, it only makes sense that when we wake up, we are met with a cascade of NBA rumors.
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So I'm gonna try to do it, you know, kind of go through them and the best that I can with my eyes, you know, have shut, Uh, and, uh and yeah, well, we'll try to try to make make some sense of everything that we've gotten in the last day or two.
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So first off, let's talk about why these rumors air coming out yesterday kind of in the thick of the election process, or really, when it was just about to start, Shams Turaani of the athletic put a believe this was yesterday.
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Got time doesn't exist anymore.
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I actually don't know if this was yesterday.
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This is a great segment already.
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Regardless, shams terranea put out a tweets and then a little bit of an article, I believe kind of detail ing the MBA would be having a vote, um, regarding when the season would return.
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So, uh, you know, So it's basically between MLK day in December 22nd.
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Remember MLK Day? There's been a lot of push from, honestly, quite a bit of push from LeBron James, but it seems like other teams that went pretty deep in the playoffs as well um, it seems like some teams that have been played since March are not necessarily in that in that grouping, um, and then all the board of governors or owners or whatever you'd like to call them, And the league itself are pushing for the 20 seconds.
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So you have two competing sides, um, two sides that have not always been on the exact exact same page this year.
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I think that's the best way to put it.
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I talked about this with Adam, are broke a little bit earlier this week on on our streams.
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So if you if you want, go watch that, you could go watch that through my channel.
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Backslash Matt Brooks or go find it back slash adam are break.
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Um, regardless, we had a situation where it seemed like the players union and the league itself were not on the same page.
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There's been a lot of pushback from the the really the border governors in the league, just basically around the financial ramifications.
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So I believe there was something along the lines of like 500 million that was gonna be lost.
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The players were losing a large percentage of their potential salaries in escrow.
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There's just a lot of money being left on the table, and and yeah, and this was a great reminder that we live in a capitalistic society and money tends to talk.
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So it seems like there's gonna be a vote on Thursday.
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It seems like that vote is probably gonna push things toward that December 22nd date, which means that we are looking at a season in about a month and a half so that I think we'll get some clarity.
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I'm sure I mean, honestly, knowing the way the MBA works, it will probably be when me and Adam are on tomorrow at 10.
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30 s.
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Oh, that's kind of That's kind of where we're at right now.
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They've got a hammer out some things.
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We've got to know when trades could be made.
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We have to know when free agency is gonna actually happen.
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The only thing that we have concrete right now is the draft, which has been scheduled at, um, you know, November 18th for a couple months now.
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So a lot of things need to get hammered out, but it does seem like we are about to get a start date and presumptively.
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Once we get a start date, we're gonna know about all those other things.
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So again, the things I said free agency, the trade, the acquisition period, or when moratorium is, what it's called is lifted.
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So when teams could really start making deals and then, you know, just preseason and training campus, Well, though, it does seem like training camp will start on December 1st.
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So obviously a lot of things up in the air, it zbig big.
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It's a big time right now.
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They've got to figure out a lot of things and and figure out how to fit it all in and really like a month and a half.
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But, you know, it seems like they're getting They're nearing the finish line with all of this.
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So, um, that's where we're at right now.
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Uh, they Yeah, the players air voting and or we'll know.
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We'll know sooner than later.
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Um, because of that, I think some teams were starting to operate under the pretenses that you know they are.
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They are nearing a point where they could start trading with one another.
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They could start making deals.
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They could start sort of configuring their rosters and figuring out who's gonna go where.
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So that means for maybe one of the biggest trade candidates of all and a guy that I think people have been super mixed on just because of the Stan Van Gundy hiring is Drew holiday, which is why we're here today.
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So there's a couple teams I think they could get him.
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Um, Denver could make some sense if they put Michael Porter in the picture.
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The heat could make some sense, though.
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It looks like they're not gonna trade Tyler hero for really anybody.
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Um, except for Yannis, which is an obvious one.
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But that rumor did come out yesterday, Um, which, which I mean, makes sense.
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I think that Miami is doing the thing where they try to build for the future, but also remain competitive in the present.
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And if you trade Tyler hero, which is really one of your best young ass, that's next to, um, you know, bam out of bio, you kind of lose a little bit at leverage.
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You're going for more of a wind now approach.
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I'm just not sure if true holiday puts them over the top and really makes the better than any of the competitors.
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I mean, maybe he feels that.
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Yeah, but I would argue there's still just a little bit of a talent.
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Discrepancy is greatest.
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Coach SPO is, and and as great as Obama's and as great as Jimmy is, I just still think they need, like that number one scoring option, like they just need somebody to really take the reins of this.
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So So, yeah, so I don't I don't think that he's gonna be made available.
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So then it comes to the team and I look like I'm waiting on the hat.
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Brooklyn Nets.
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Man, I've did a stream for my show basketball more, which again you can find on my channel or you can find here on SportsCastr.
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It is a featured SportsCastr Vaud cast and podcast.
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Um, yeah, you confined that conversation.
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I did it with a guy named Sham.
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It do a who does stuff for Bourbon Street shots, which is a ESPN true who blogged? Um, he wrote and has written some stuff and has shared some thoughts and has done some podcasts on the true holiday market.
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We actually did a podcast together, and we talked about a deal that made a lot of sense for both sides.
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The deal, of course, involves Caris Levert, who is a guy who was a lot of a lot of suitors, I would say in the league, including the Nets, who are incredibly high on him and really don't want to move him unless it's for, like, a star player on bats, something Aiken like verify through just hearing.
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And I just I have almost 100% cer*****y of that.
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So So yeah, So Caris Levert is somebody that, uh, that that you know, they really don't want to move unless it's for somebody, somebody that really takes them over the top.
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They view him as a guy that could be the third star.
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He's a guy that, you know, they drafted in a trade for that young with the 20th overall pick.
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He's somebody that's been there throughout the entirety of their growth.
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Um, since they were a team with no draft assets now growing into a title contender, he's just been there the entire way.
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They've always been high on him and, um, yeah, man, look like a cover the team.
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I'm in Brooklyn like I e I.
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There is a lot of confidence that that comes from this organization regarding, um, you know, regarding Caris Levert.
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But, uh, you know, look, this this episode I did on my show basketball more, we talked about what the pelicans need.
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Here's what they need.
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Yes, they have some really nice young talent.
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They have Lonzo ball who look, I understand, like he's a little bit of a gap filler and not so much a star.
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But gap fillers are important.
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They have Zion, who's a very interesting star player but is absolutely one of them.
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And they have Brandon Ingram, who I think succeeds as a solo artist.
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He maybe doesn't quite fit into the winning team archetype, but he is somebody that is a really strong.
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Yeah, he's just a really good player.
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But what they don't have right now is any connective ity between all these young players and exciting, um, you know, exciting.
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Either veteran level players or even, like just, you know, I don't know.
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Fringe guys like it just feels like everybody on that roster is exciting, but they don't really have anybody who's going to set the table.
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That's one of the things we talked about in great detail.
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Caris Levert.
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First off, if we learned anything from the bubble and I'm I know I'm the only person who watched the Brooklyn Nets in their bubble because they put out like a G League team.
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But I watched them a lot.
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I watch every single game.
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I actually watch every single game twice because I do a lot of film stuff as a journalist.
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That's kind of my niche if you will.
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Um, I watch every game twice.
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Caris Levert took a big leap as a playmaker the scoring he's already always had.
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Yeah, he started flashing a little bit more of a, um, ability to score from the mid range, but it was his playmaking that really jumped off the page.
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He was really hitting his guys with these skip passes.
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You saw like guys like Timothy Liu awoke Tabaro.
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He broke out in a big way in the bubble, and that's not a coincidence.
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It's It's with Caris Levert being a table setter, being a really excellent playmaker.
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Um, he showed that he's probably going forward.
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He's probably a point guard.
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I mean, you know, and the Nets have said that since really they started deploying him.
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He played a lot of games as a rookie as a point guard, Um, this is a guy that they believed for a long time can really handle the lead guard position, and he showed that he's absolutely capable of that.
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So that's what the Pelicans need, like Drew holidays, a great fit for them, and I think he feels a lot of the small gaps for them.
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But even more than what they need that as like then, like a really strong defensive player, like through they need somebody who can really move the ball, make sure everybody's working in harmony.
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And that's what Caris Levert is on the flip side for the Brooklyn Nets and I.
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And look, I'm sorry, I I think he makes a lot of sense for somebody like Denver.
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I just have some questions about whether Denver is willing to do it right now.
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Andi, I could talk about them, and just second, but the Drew did.
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Brooklyn trade just makes so much sense.
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Um, for Brooklyn, he makes a ton of sense because he's a guy that, you know, he's 30.
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Um, he's a really just top notch defender.
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He's kind of.
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I call him like a star role player, like he does a lot of role player things in terms of like, you know, he dies for 50 50 balls.
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He's a guy that, um, you know, just he's he's probably better is a spot up shooter than is somebody that's that's dribbling into threes.
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Um, you know, and he's an okay.
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He's okay.
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Taking care of the ball.
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I don't actually even think he should really be used as a point guard, which is funny because that's what he came in the league as he's really better as a an off guard is somebody who handles difficult assignments.
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That's exactly what the Nets need.
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Like they have a backcourt right now of right now, It's Caris, Levert and Kyrie Irving, neither of whom are are good defenders.
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Kyrie Irving's undersized. He can.
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He can put in effort and he can.
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You know he can scrap his way, but he's not great in terms of fundamental.
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He doesn't get around screens well, every single time.
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Hey, loses guys on back cuts.
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I mean, he's prone to his lapses.
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And again, he's just a little bit undersized, which doesn't do him any favors.
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Caris Levert is notoriously just I mean, you know, this guy came in is like a defensive prospect, and he's kind of settled into being someone who has his lapses and doesn't seem to focus in and kind of rests on the other end of the floor, which is, for me a little bit troubling.
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As much as I like him as a player, it just it's it's kind of what he settled into.
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Being Drew fills a lot of the gaps.
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I mean, you look at the Brooklyn Nets.
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It's like they need somebody that can guard one through 31 through four e That I mean Drew Holiday guarded Kevin Durant a couple of years ago in the what was that? The 2018 playoffs whenever they were lasted and they played the the Warriors back when Durant was there? I mean, he was guarding K D.
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And I don't know.
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I think that's a big bounty.
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Um, he's a guy, that he's not afraid of anybody, and he's going to take those assignments.
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He's probably the best perimeter defender in the league.
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The Nets need before they could use a perimeter defender and through holiday.
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Phil is one of those those holes, so I think it makes a ton of sense for them.
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I'll spend a little bit of time on on Denver, and then I'll get into two last rumors that I don't know how official they are, but I saw them just sort of while looking through the, uh, news column on SportsCastr, which you you guys should use.
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By the way, um, you know, it's it's a simple is going live and hitting MBA news.
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There's some pretty fun topics.
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If you're an MBA fan today.
00:13:28
So, um, yeah, So let's let's let's spend a little bit of time on Denver because I think that's the only other team that reasonably could put out a strong offer for Drew Holiday and also make a little bit of sense for them.
00:13:45
So Denver is tricky because you look at the Nets and you say, Okay, this is a team.
00:13:53
They're obviously going for it in the next year or two.
00:13:56
Denver, you know, they advanced all the way to the Western Conference finals, their window maybe right now.
00:14:04
And it's really, really tricky when you see a young team like them peaking because it's just always hard to tell, like, how much of that is noise? Are they actually breaking out right now? Is this who Jamal Murray is? And is he hitting that star level ascension right now? Especially when all of that progress occurs in a freaking bubble.
00:14:26
I mean, talk about a weird situation for them.
00:14:29
They not only have to measure the always tough to quantify variable of Oh, are we hitting our, you know, our ascendance, which is again really hard for young teams to dio, um, what's a good example like you could point to What's a young team that kind of, I mean, look like you could say, the Celtics air going through that a little bit or even like Portland from a couple of years ago? Um, you know, it's like when when you have a young team that you're not quite sure where they're at in their progression.
00:14:57
And then you add in this weird variable where you know these teams are not playing for three months and then playing in a bubble away from families and there's guys getting sick or or hitting injuries or just missing games and there's no, you know, there's there's a weird lack of chemistry that may or may not be built within that bubble environment.
00:15:19
I just think it's a really weird situation for them.
00:15:22
Um, I thought they were legit.
00:15:24
So if they swing a trade for for Drew, I think it makes some sense I would actually be in the camp of being like, Hey, you know what? Michael Porter Jr is an awesome player, and I like that he Hey, 6 10, you can shoot over anybody.
00:15:38
I get it.
00:15:39
And I thought he actually competed decently well defensively by the end of the entire bubble.
00:15:44
And I actually think just because of his physical gifts, I do think there's some possibility for growth there.
00:15:50
But But if you guys feel like you can win next year, then yeah, I would.
00:15:55
I would take Gary Harris and Michael Porter Jr and and flip that right now.
00:16:00
Right now for Drew.
00:16:01
Holiday? Absolutely, absolutely.
00:16:05
And I think if if you're New Orleans and you have Michael Porter Jr and you have Caris, Levert, Caris, Levert I mean, look, I said how great of a fit he is.
00:16:13
But they also were a young team.
00:16:16
I think that David Griffin realizes that and and look, let's be honest.
00:16:20
Like if David Griffin wanted to win right now, he wouldn't trade Drew holiday.
00:16:25
He wouldn't.
00:16:26
He wouldn't.
00:16:27
They just hired Stan Van Gundy, who's really on.
00:16:28
Lee worked with teams that air in when now position.
00:16:32
I mean, Orlando is a great example and then Detroit the entire time they tried to win, the problem was he was just also their general manager and kind of, you know, a president of operations and also, uh, submarine that But if they wanted to win right now, you keep Drew holiday.
00:16:48
But that's clearly not the way they're going.
00:16:50
Michael Porter Jr Because of his age because of his upside because of his measurements.
00:16:54
Uh, just as somebody who just again can shoot over anybody has got a little bit of like, you know, dare I say it Durant to his game.
00:17:01
And I you know, he also could be Danilo Gallinari, which is also another good player.
00:17:06
Um, he's got some wiggle to him and you look at him and you look at, like, a 26 year old Caris Levert.
00:17:13
And if you're saying, Hey, I want to go for I want to take a real swing at this, I want to take somebody that I really think Congrats, Oh, into a top.
00:17:23
I mean, how high do you want to go on? Michael Porter Jr.
00:17:25
I think that he's got a ton of variance to him.
00:17:28
Um, you could tell me he's gonna be a solid starter, and you could tell me he's gonna be a NOL eh? NBA player, and I don't know if I would disagree with either one.
00:17:40
I think there's some questions about his health, obviously, but his physical gifts and his his again, the ability to shoot it is legit.
00:17:50
I mean, you need that.
00:17:51
If you're an athletic three point shooter and you have a lot of confidence to your to your game, it's tough for me to tell you that I don't think that guy is gonna be good.
00:18:01
And just so that's the That's the position.
00:18:03
There they are in a nice position.
00:18:06
The pelicans.
00:18:07
I mean, where they can either feel the guy that I think makes a lot of sense for their roster in terms of what they need and has a little bit of star upside in Caris, Levert.
00:18:16
Or they can look at Michael Porter Jr and say, Let's take a swing for this like this is a guy that people were over the moon about in the seating games.
00:18:25
And I felt like actually, you know, showed some improvement throughout the bubble playoffs.
00:18:30
I you know, I know he is.
00:18:32
His role declined as it went on, but I thought he was better and better and stretches.
00:18:37
There were a couple moments against the Clippers where he really looked like he belonged out there, and that's all you really need for a guy that missed an entire year.
00:18:46
You know, like this is a guy that missed an entire year of of potential growth because of injury, didn't play a ton throughout the year.
00:18:54
I don't know.
00:18:55
I think it's gonna be fun, and I would expect those two teams to be battling it out.
00:18:58
All depends on what Denver puts on the table, though Denver hasn't given any indications that they're willing to move him.
00:19:04
That could change if, if they really are, is high on Andrew is, as you know as it comes out.
00:19:11
And you know, if they if they realize that their whatever they're putting out there, you know, and I don't know what it would be, would it be Monte Boris and Gary Harris or something like that? I don't know.
00:19:22
I'm just throwing something out there, But if what they're putting out there isn't moving the needle and the Pelicans are saying, Look, we've got a better deal like you never know.
00:19:31
Denver really may say next year is our year.
00:19:33
We think we can win it.
00:19:34
We think the Lakers air coming off a weird situation where they had a grueling playoff run. And now we're starting early.
00:19:40
And maybe LeBron isn't playing like the West could be more wide open than we thought.
00:19:44
I mean, we just don't know.
00:19:46
So yeah, I mean, I think it'll be fun, and these conversations have been happening for a while.
00:19:52
I can tell you that much.
00:19:54
I'm sorry. My camera is going in and out today.
00:19:56
Uh, but yeah, that the drew holiday conversations have been going on since since the bubble.
00:20:02
And it seems like there's some new light, some new.
00:20:07
You got gasoline were pouring it on the fire right now of the Drew holiday thing.
00:20:12
And it's just it's interesting to see that the Stan Van Gundy trade has not affected things.
00:20:17
And I And by the way, I think that's the right way.
00:20:19
You go about this.
00:20:20
If you're the pelicans, you say we're you know, what is what is Drew holiday do for us in the short term? You know, he might get us the eight seed with this roster and a new coach, but we want to build something for the future.
00:20:35
It just makes sense to move the guy that's 30 and has a lot of value, and we'll have 25 teams chasing him.
00:20:40
It just does, and it's smart and I got to give him props.
00:20:42
So let's do these last two things.
00:20:44
Um, the first one and both of these air from the Bill Simmons podcast.
00:20:51
I believe I was looking through that.
00:20:53
So I don't know.
00:20:54
I mean, you know, I personally don't listen.
00:20:59
I don't I I just I haven't usually these types of rumors about where guys air going and who's unhappy.
00:21:04
It's Bill Simmons.
00:21:06
Podcast doesn't always have rumors, but that school, if they dio the first one, is that Devin Booker is unhappy and it's the worst kept secret in the leak in Phoenix, which I don't know.
00:21:22
I think I could see there being some attrition in terms of.
00:21:29
They've had a lot of tough seasons where they just haven't put a good product on the floor, and they haven't surrounded him by anything, and it's really hurt his perception.
00:21:39
I mean, he's just now getting nods, is a top 20 player and and and rightfully so.
00:21:45
And it also may be deserved because this was the first year where he really like I don't want to say that.
00:21:50
But this was a year where he really looked fully in control of everything and just really knew the full parameters of what he could do on the basketball court.
00:21:58
So I get if he's unhappy there.
00:22:03
I think it's a weird time for that rumor to come out, especially with how they looked in the bubble.
00:22:11
If they fall short again and we've seen this a lot, like we'll see a young team like take the Sacramento Kings from what was that two years ago? They look great.
00:22:19
The wheel is kind of fall off towards the very end.
00:22:21
Now there was the Luke Walton hiring who? Not a Luke Walton guy.
00:22:26
Um, they they make a coaching change, which was dumb, and they've done this a couple times.
00:22:31
They did this with Michael Malone and they did this with Yeager.
00:22:34
They made a coaching change.
00:22:35
It dramatically hurt the roster and the quality of the product and and the wheels fell off a little bit.
00:22:43
Um and and and we see this happened way.
00:22:47
See, this happened with young teams.
00:22:48
They look great for a stretch and, uh, and they fall off a little bit. Miami.
00:22:54
I believed in this two years ago where they went some absurd.
00:22:57
I don't know what they're winning Percentage was, but they were one of the worst teams in the East.
00:23:01
They get off to a crazy hot start, really, That that? Well, they closed the season out on, like a really nice finish, and then the next year they come out flat.
00:23:12
They missed the playoffs.
00:23:13
I think they were the tent.
00:23:14
See, that was two years ago, so so that it happens.
00:23:17
And Phoenix, maybe one of those teams.
00:23:20
I thought there were a lot of really good signs.
00:23:22
Uh, I like their wing depth.
00:23:24
I think everybody does.
00:23:25
Everybody likes him.
00:23:26
Call Bridges.
00:23:27
Cam Johnson seems like a legit floor space and somebody who could survive defensively.
00:23:31
DeAndre, 18, is really interesting, Andi and they also could be a stealth, and I like to throw this out.
00:23:37
I wish it would happen.
00:23:39
I would love if they got Chris Paul.
00:23:42
I think that's a great way to show, you know, Devin Booker that you're committed to winning, but if they come out flat next year, they don't make any major moves.
00:23:50
You know they draft and just kind of throw the same thing out there If they come out flat in the West is really competitive, and they're not in the mix.
00:23:59
Yeah, I think I think I'm ready for that noise a little bit, because I Then it makes sense.
00:24:03
You know, you wanna build on something you wanna have, you wanna have a feeling of doesn't have to be linear progress, but you just you want to feel like you're building something you want to feel like There's, ah, plan and uphill trajectory, which, by the way, I think James Jones has been awesome for them.
00:24:19
And I was, you know, look, you can point at the T.
00:24:22
J Warren thing. I would argue.
00:24:24
Like, look, you probably should have gotten more for him, but, you know, they've made the right moves. T.
00:24:30
J. Warren was addition by subtraction.
00:24:32
I don't think he would move the needle for them that much.
00:24:35
To be honest with you, it they built a roster that makes much more sense around Devin Booker.
00:24:40
You know, they've kind of used him as ah James harden and light, if you will, where they just put floor spacers around him.
00:24:47
They have a guy who I think is gonna be really interesting in a pick and roll combination with Atan or if they bring Baines back cuts a pick and pop option.
00:24:56
Um, I just, you know, they've kind of built.
00:24:59
Jones has built the right Ross around him, and I just I'm not ready to go there yet, So that's where I'm at with that.
00:25:07
We'll see.
00:25:08
Well, I just It's too early for me to be, you know, to be out on the Devin Booker in Phoenix thing.
00:25:14
You just never know.
00:25:15
You never know right now.
00:25:16
And there's a lot up in the air in terms of where he could go just too much uncer*****y financially for me to really, really, really look at this.
00:25:24
But, you know, I get it. If he's unhappy.
00:25:27
It's been a little bit of a tough tenure, but I don't know now is not the time.
00:25:30
Let's see what happens next year.
00:25:32
We'll conclude on this Gordon Hayward.
00:25:34
There's rumors that he may turn down his player option, which is just bizarre to me.
00:25:42
Um, I get if he wants to do something like a deal over Mawr years for less annually.
00:25:53
I just weird, though, right? Like you couldn't pick a worse time for him to try to sign a deal right now.
00:25:59
I mean, maybe he's just like, I just want something because every single year it he just can't stay healthy.
00:26:06
So maybe he's just, like, look like there's perhaps, Maybe they know about a suitor out there.
00:26:10
That's like, Hey, we'll take a chance on you.
00:26:12
I'm gonna be a huge day.
00:26:13
It will be like an M l e or something like that, but we'll give you that option.
00:26:18
Maybe it'll be that 9 to $10 million full midlevel exception, which is what some teams have but very weird to me.
00:26:27
Um, I would sure take that player option if I was Gordon Hayward.
00:26:31
I really would, um I don't know. We'll see.
00:26:35
You know, And this is always funny because I think we deal with this quite a bit.
00:26:40
Is that some? Every year there's a free agent that does a little bit of posturing about Oh, well, I'm not sure if I'm gonna pick up my player option and all this and all that, and I don't really know what type of a negotiation tactic, that is.
00:26:53
But, I mean, maybe it's just to throw that out there to kind of, I don't know, alert the market that maybe he has a suitor.
00:27:01
I'm gonna tell you right now, pretty much everybody that has a player option that's more than like, You know that, then Then what? How How how low can we go? More than $10 million.
00:27:13
You better pick that up.
00:27:15
This is not a market to go test things and say, Oh, well, I got something else better.
00:27:19
It's just not so if you were.
00:27:22
If you're Gordon Hayward and you got the last year of your max deal, Pick that up.
00:27:26
Don't be silly.
00:27:27
Do not be silly.
00:27:28
It's just like this is not.
00:27:31
It's a terrible market, too.
00:27:34
Go for something like that and decide I'm gonna test my market.
00:27:39
I'm going to see what it's like out there for me.
00:27:41
It's just not the right market.
00:27:42
We are in a global depression, and the n B A is hurting.
00:27:46
We have no idea what the salary cap is gonna look like next year.
00:27:50
I think they're gonna probably iron it out right now.
00:27:52
but we just don't know.
00:27:53
We don't know how many losses they're gonna happen.
00:27:55
And e I mean, look, if you're an agent and you have the ability for your client to make that much money, seems like it always easy choice to me.
00:28:06
But, I mean, hey, it is what it is.
00:28:08
Um, but that's all I got today.
00:28:10
I have I don't have it sent to plug this week.
00:28:13
It's been a zay said a very busy week.
00:28:17
But I do have somebody coming on my show Basketball MAWR, which you can watch here on. SportsCastr.
00:28:21
Um, I have Kaitlin Cooper coming on my show to talk Indiana Pacers, which will be fun.
00:28:27
Um, that she's she's excellent.
00:28:30
She is, like, one of the smartest basketball people, period.
00:28:35
I mean, she she is awesome.
00:28:37
So I'm really excited for that.
00:28:38
You can find that on my channel.
00:28:40
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00:28:42
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00:28:46
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00:28:53
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00:28:56
Enjoy the day.
00:28:57
Get some rest.
00:28:58
Um, if you're like me, you didn't sleep a ton.
00:29:00
So get some rest and, uh, and get ready because I think tomorrow we're gonna have a pretty big news drop.
00:29:07
Get ready for that.
00:29:08
We'll know a lot about when free agency is happening when trades, they're gonna happen.
00:29:13
And what this next month and a half is gonna look like for the MBA.
00:29:17
Thank you, guys for watching.
00:29:19
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00:29:20
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00:29:21
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00:29:23
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00:29:25
Me and Adam will be going through the remainder of, uh, the city edition jerseys, which will be fun.
00:29:32
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00:29:35
You know, while we're kind of waiting for bigger news to happen, it's been fun.
00:29:39
It's a nice little switch up.
00:29:40
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00:29:41
Those have been fun.
00:29:42
Um, you know, looking at reacting to slandering all these New Jersey's and and sometimes showing a lot of appreciation.
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