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And, you know, we might as well kick it off with talking about the podcast.
Man, Did you guys get a chance or talking about the interview? Recapping interview, These guys get a chance to check out that John Wallace interview? Sure.
I was watching on both NBK and Legion off next podcast.
And for those who don't know yeah, it was on NBK was on leading the Knicks.
Um, and of course we did on sportscast that we did it on YouTube.
It was it was a fun. It was a dope.
And it was a fun interview, and I'm hoping I could get it.
I'm hoping I could get a rematch.
You know what I'm saying? I want a rematch.
If it was really very, very informative.
I learned a lot that I didn't know, and I'm definitely going to check out his podcast.
The podcast starts tomorrow.
I'm not exactly sure what time, but if you go to his SportsCastr page, you can click on the podcast link and you'll see, um, you'll see.
You'll see a bunch of nobody lined up.
You know what I'm saying? You see a bunch of over the lined up and I think his I think tomorrow starts.
Probably the last time I looked about 1 30 it was like 22 hours, so, you know, probably starts.
You know, sometime tomorrow, whatever.
One o'clock, two o'clock, 12 o'clock, you'll get the message.
If you go to its page and just follow him, then you'll get the notification.
When he does go live, let me get my building and I encourage you all to follow him.
He's gonna feel the strength the power of then became family that go ahead, follow him, and he's gonna be back on our show.
Probably if he sees that we got some, you know, on my members.
He'll be back in the building, man.
Look, I remember him, You know, playing for the Knicks.
I was excited when he went to the Knicks, and, you know, he was with Jeff Van Gundy.
He was a young squad, right? He was drafted with Walter McCarty.
It's crazy because they had.
The two had just played in the N C double A championship, you know, And, you know, I thought I was like, you know, I was I was way more excited for John Wallace than Walter McCarty.
You know, I'm saying I thought John Wallace was going to be you know, one of you know, I'm not saying a star, but big, big, big player in New York.
I was excited for him, you know.
But, you know, things ended up the way that it did.
And now he's on SportsCastr after you know what? He's playing the league.
10 years, 12 years. Something like that.
Now he's on SportsCastr.
Get ready! Dio podcast.
Power forward! He's on MSG 1 50.
So that's big stuff.
That's cool, man.
That's what's up. And I like what he said.
The podcast is gonna be about.
If you wanna learn more about the podcast, you want to check out the interview, you could see it on.
You can see it on SportsCastr.
Just go to my page SportsCastr dot com slash Sammy and Russell.
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We do have a couple of clips, though.
A couple of clips we're gonna We're gonna play.
Was there anything in the interview though? That surprised you that you didn't know took you back any kind of way? I didn't know you played one on one person.
E didn't know I played one on one versus Hit me.
Oh, I told you after the stream you should have said that you made that shot, bro.
I was waiting for this thing.
If I would have said if I would have said that I made the shot, he would have said it wasn't him.
You know, what I'm saying? He would have said it wasn't him.
The fact that I said I missed the shot and he won.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was That was probably that was probably me.
E said, Yeah, I hit the shot.
He like, Yeah, that wasn't meeting s somebody else on the history of him with Van Gundy stood out to me.
I didn't I wasn't aware of that.
That was a good That was a good story.
That was a good story, you know? And as a matter of fact, I have this story right here so way.
Might as well go ahead and play that a little bit and that you hear what he said about it.
The history of him and Jeff Van Gundy, uh on and what it was like playing for Jeff Van Gundy.
They will also listen to a little bit of what it was like being coached by Tom Thibodeau when Tom Thibodeau was an assistant coach under Jeff Van Gundy.
So let's go ahead and get into.
We'll talk about, we'll get into this one with Jeff Van Gundy and then come back and talk a little bit about it.
All right, Let's get it.
Uh, they mean Pat Riley.
Those guys they were doing ****ytics before was turned ****ytics.
You know, they were You know, the percentage that you went, right, left one dribble to dribble what you shot.
I mean, we had all that dogs after you had the norm, especially as a rookie.
When he asked you that question if you wanted to play, what percentage? That Glen. Right? Shoot.
Going left off two dribbles.
You know, you have to know that Answer if you know you're not gonna be in the rotation at night.
Jeff was just scrappy.
What was? He's from Rochester to right? Jeff Van Gundy.
The first person to send me a college letter when he was a Upward university in 1988 letter I got from college.
Ninth grade going into 10th grade and ad campaigns.
That big man point guard camping Tony Ana at only on a college.
I got a letter from Coach handgun in and kind of changed my life was it made me wanna work hard, but but all the time, literally he was the first person like you might be a college player.
OK, but he's because I picture Jeff Van Gundy, you know, holding onto Alonzo, mourning his legs or whoever his legs he was holding onto in a scuffle.
It was It was a Yeah.
Sometimes you with, like, you know, certainly running a three man weave, and just to show you he could do it making entry pass.
You know, his thing was, if you can't get the ball that Patrick you and you can't play, So, like, if someone threw the ball away and then get it to him properly, he you know, he sub you out, put himself in there, and he's like, Alright, played them and he'd pump fake he have all these past six and get it to Patrick Every time.
He's like, if I could get into Patrick, so can you.
You know, let me tell you, I can imagine Jeff Van Gundy in practice.
What is he? 5, 10 59 Something like that in there against 6 ft 10 John Wallace getting past the Patrick Ewing.
That's hilarious, though, man.
I'm gonna tell you what, though He must have been benched for not knowing Glen Rice.
You know what is percentage was for, you know, to dribble, pull up or whatever it was.
He must have been benched for that because that was too specific.
Yeah, that's burning his memory, right? Exactly.
His burnt in his memory, you know, birth in his memory.
But, uh, yeah, that's That's something, though.
You know that Jeff Van Gundy was the first college coach to approach him, and then he ends up playing for Jeff Van Gundy in the N B.
A. That's pretty cool.
And then, of course, that's Jeff Van Gundy taking care of his own right there, both from Rochester.
Make sure that my guy, I'm gonna make sure that he feels that confidence understands that he could probably play in college.
And then we see he ended up in the MBA.
Mark, What's popping with you, man? What's going on? No, man, I just escaped.
Escaped the cold.
So, you know, in my crib, hibernating now for the rest of the day.
Not much else to do so I e get crazy, man.
It's about that time of year.
It's about that time of year started.
Get cold out, man.
Everybody needs to go ahead and get your Tim's out.
You know, get your big coach out everything you know, getting ready because it's getting cold out.
Also, like I also like what he had to say about Tom Thibodeau.
I told you, that's big fax.
I like what John Wallace said about Tom Thibodeau in the way that he took from Jeff Van Gundy.
The attention to detail, right? You heard in that clip when they were talking about how Jeff Van Gundy, Pat Riley and them guys, you know, we're doing ****ytics before it was really popular to do ****ytics just understanding.
You know what guys do on the floor, right? And in this next clip, he's gonna talk about you know how Jeff Van Gundy, how you know his approach to practice and how Tom Thibodeau, you know it is taking is going to take that same approach and then apply it.
Teoh, the New York Knicks Uh, this team, you know what I mean? And for those of you who don't well, we'll talk about that when we get back and we'll ask the question.
But this is what he had to say about Tom Thibodeau and what the players can expect from Tom Thibodeau.
What can you tell us? What do you remember about Tom Thibodeau? And you know his approach to the game? I was with Tom every day.
Coach tips every day because he was the rookies guy.
So myself, Dahntay Jones, Walter McCarty.
We had to be at practice an hour before every practice.
So Van Gundy said, practice at 10.
I mean, the rookies had to be there at nine.
He only told you that the first day you had to learn that from the very first day.
Never repeated that.
So whatever time he gave, we had to be there in our earlier.
But when you got there, Tim's already there, working out Allan Houston.
He already got Larry Johnson some shots, and then he he came over to us with when you thought he just started because he had so much energy and, uh, you know, excitement about, Let's get better today and we're going to get after it.
And that was time tips, man.
And, you know, I knew once he did become a head coach, I know he's gonna be successful because, you know, being around Van Gundy and people of that ill Hey, just learned how toe attention to detail and do everything the right way and do it Ah, 100% and hold Everyone has accountable is the best man on the team as the alleged, you know, 15th man on the team, you know, whatever.
So I think he coached everyone just as hard as the best guy on the team.
And I think that's what's important to be a really good head coach.
And I'm looking forward to the next this year and the culture that he's gonna implement and Nick's family.
What's popping is your boy.
You don't need to hear that part.
You heard that part already.
Um, but yeah, the attention to detail, the energy, you know, that he brings to the game clearly is going to be, um, not just to the game, But the practice is gonna be infectious, right? And that's what we're hoping from Tom Thibodeau.
You know, I mean, and you know, Andy, It would have been perfect just before.
What was it Friday? We did a breakdown of how Tom Thibodeau should approach the players, right.
We should have had John on for that show school.
Big freeze, you! What's going on? What you say we were in that arc, right? Yeah, you know.
But anyway, if you want to check out the rest of that interview, ladies and gentlemen, if you haven't seen it, you could check it out on SportsCastr.
For those of you who are on SportsCastrs, right on my page on SportsCastr YouTube, you can check it out on YouTube.
There'll be more clips coming out.
Uh, you know, there'll be a couple of clips with Gamow leading the next podcast and John Wallace going back and forth over Jamie and Little Steph Curry, Syracuse and ST John's, you know, you know, be a couple of those clips coming out.
It's good interview, man. It's good.
Interview was fun.
So looking forward, Toa checking out his podcast.
Maybe even join this podcast one of these days and just talk knicks with him.
That would be dope.
That would be dope.
But let's talk about this Lemelle a ball stuff, man.
Let's talk about Islam l a ball.
You see, Mark was crusty lips smiling over it, you know, because I told you I e what he's doing.
E told him about what he's doing, that he's doing a great job.
So they say they say.
But it seemed like it was just one team, though.
When I read the article seemed like it was one team interviewed him, the Minnesota Timberwolves, and it wasn't that good of an interview.
You don't wanna go.
Hey, don't want to go there.
I wouldn't want to go to Minnesota either.
He doesn't he doesn't wanna go to Minnesota's Dad wanted to be in Detroit in New York, but Gamow way we were talking.
I think it was last Thursday.
How do you tank your interview? I mean, like, how do you How do you give a bad interview Me personally? E guess I guess one word answers, but me personally, questions like the mandarins you give off when someone's asked you a question, you give him one more answer.
What? Your mannerisms.
You know that those people so see, but me personally, right? If I'm Detroit, if I'm New York and I find out that this guy's you know, been purposely blowing interviews, I'm it would make me skeptical, okay? And and his character because I would much rather have the players said to me, Listen, I'm gonna be honest with you.
I'm gonna answer all your questions.
I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna be real with you, but I don't want to play for you on, and I'm gonna ask, and I'm gonna ask you not to draft. I wouldn't.
I would rather hear that.
The players said that than go in and just ruin the interview.
Because to me, that's bad character.
I would rather deal with someone who just straight up with me.
I want to know, Like, when they're saying that, right? What could like? He probably wasn't just He probably just wasn't like what I would say.
Like he was probably answering questions, like, probably wanted to be more excited to be drafted.
That number one pick probably just walked in their ways.
Melo self just cool and calm.
Answer your question.
But not not so crazy.
Abdullah, how you will see more.
Most top three picks about I don't care.
Whatever team picks me. Listen.
Probably waiting to answer the questions, but just wasn't just wasn't crazy about being a number one pick.
How about that? Yeah, but that that could ruin that could ruin your reputation.
On Not only does it ruin your reputation, it's your introduction.
Like they always say, you have one time to make a first impression.
So that's your first impression.
You know, that's gonna hold more weight.
Like I'm in agreeance with somewhere if you if you're honest, you know, if you're honest with them but you But you keep you keep it real and just say, you know, I prefer not to play here like 20 people have done that and still got drafted by that team.
Oh, what did they say after? Oh, he didn't want to go there.
Ah, person would have more of a bad look telling somebody.
Yo, I don't wanna be here.
You gonna You gonna You gonna get talking about more because you gonna be that place a e? I disagree because I feel like I feel like this.
If I go into an interview and I purposely bomb that interview now, this word gets around the league.
You know, he's not this He's not that now and they may not know if I'm purposely bombing it or not.
They may just think this is me This is who he is now.
This word gets around the league. Hold up.
Now, this word gets around the league.
But if I go in and and I don't have to be ruled and say, I don't want to play for you but like Tony said, like Listen, if you draft me, obviously I'll play.
But I prefer not to play for you.
I don't wanna be in Minnesota or I don't wanna be in Golden State or wherever.
You know, I prefer not to.
Um, I'm just being honest.
I think that goes more for the reputation than just, you know, making yourself look bad.
Let him know your reservations.
You let him let him know I may.
I feel like I may not be a good fit.
There's there's there's a billion ways for you.
It doesn't come off as arrogant or rude or disrespectful.
Why women and then let them make the decision? Why can I not just walk into an interview, be myself? Answer your questions.
But not too not to like, hot like not showing that yo like I'm super super happy.
We'll just go in there and just answer questions because because because Because, like I said, I mean, if you go in there and you just calm and answer questions, you know, I don't think that's called blowing interview.
That's just he's not excited, You know what I'm saying? I think if you're and these are all rumors that he's blowing interviews, right, these are all rumors.
Just rumors is out there.
But if you're purposely blowing the interview, But you know, just I don't know how, but like really blowing the interview, you know, then that word gets around to people that maybe this isn't a guy that you want to deal with.
And then now you start off with a bad reputation.
Me just personally.
I would rather start off with a reputation of people saying, You know what? He's trying to dictate where he wants to go.
I would rather people say that about me than to say, Hey, seems like he doesn't wanna work.
He seems like he's lazy, you know? I don't trust this character.
Well, hold on so so so so if I was like a team out of out of the top, the top three, I will be a team to say I'm happy about that.
Because I want him to fall like you have teams.
I think like that.
Like, I hope that this team don't take this plan, so it it's not Every team is gonna look at that.
So if the Knicks have the chance for him before that, you think the *** gonna be worried about that? I'm not.
I'm not saying that.
I'm not saying that they won't take him.
I'm not saying that they won't take him.
What I'm saying is, there could be a question of his character.
Yeah, I got two sides on the story. One.
I think this might be because the way you said that you wouldn't blow and you know the interview, right? It will be a class act and stuff like that.
And I would go also with that route, but I would tell the guys Okay, listen, you can pick me up four.
Just try to go and make a trade with the Knicks, because I played there, right? So I have that leverage, you know, just to make it happen.
Or I can tell you guys that you know, I don't wanna play.
I'm gonna stall everything and and stuff like that, right? So that might be the the idea.
But looking at the draft board, right, if he would blow the interview with Detroit if he would go in the interview and say, I don't I just I wouldn't respect Bill Laimbeer, Isaiah Thomas.
Whoever right, they'll still pick him.
There's such a esteem that they will take Lemelle o and have him hostage for four years ago.
There's such an A hole, So I bet that's gonna happen.
And he's again, a player is gonna be taken that we want one step ahead from us.
So, you know, the only way I would go with I was Carmelo, I would go like OK, I would love to play in New York.
I'm gonna tell this toe every team that I'm interviewing with and just go and try to make a deal so you can have, you know, the lower pick.
And then I get an asset from the Knicks.
Right? That's a win win situation, right? What does he strike you as a kid that just going interviews and just, like, blow it up or he just mean cool, mellow, answering your questions and just like it's not too excited.
This is This is five interviews, bro.
You can get trained for that in two hours.
You people, you got a lot of war in your corner.
So you know, that's just an amp up situation.
So, you know, that's easy thing to do.
And just on the on the rumors thing after that.
Minnesota interview sources.
They drafted without interview even.
Yeah, let me let me get the free Z.
What's up? Freeze eso Hey, what's up? Everybody? Everybody e want to say a couple things real quick? First of all, the interview.
And while this was dope, I think what you're GMO did was was carried that interview.
You'll need some credit.
E did a great job on it.
Um, in terms of the a the elemental ball thing.
First of all, the the metal ball is not a high school no more.
He's a professional, so you have to approach interviews and stuff is a professional.
He didn't want to do the job in the interview.
He could have declined the interview.
You know what I'm saying? Secondly, if you're gonna do the interview and with them and not wanna be not wanna be drafted by Minnesota.
You could tell them.
Listen, nothing against your organization.
I'm sure you all have been totally professional with me, but I just could, you know, don't see myself playing basketball in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
You know, I'm saying nothing.
Nothing against the organization is just, you know, you could tell them just like Andy said, you can.
You could tell them your reasons for not wanting to be there and say it in a way where you don't burn bridges because the way where you don't know in a professional environment, whether it's basketball or corporate America or whatever or both, you don't burn bridges because the cats that's in that room or not guaranteed to always be in in Minnesota one day they may be in L. A. On.
And then, you know, they remember how their first interaction with you, um, in Minnesota, and now they're like, Well, we don't want this guy in L.
Because when we were in Minnesota, he acted like a ass.
So you don't wanna You don't want to necessarily burn those bridges and the other thing to the other thing, too, about Lemelle.
I'm sure what he probably was saying, too, is Listen, I'm my own person.
My pops is his own person and he has his own opinions and such, But he is not a representative of what I'm saying.
What I'm telling you is what I want you to take as a narrative.
So my Pops is saying New York in Detroit.
I'm saying that whoever drafts me, it'll be a pleasure to play for whoever.
Yeah, I mean, who know, You know, who knows what's happening, what's going on in those interviews.
But however they want to approach it.
And again, these are all rumors, right? All rumors.
But however they want to approach it, he just needs to be coached in that way as well, so that he does not tarnish your ruin his reputation before he even gets into the league.
Um, in the article, basically, they say this.
It says, Here is what I'm hearing from the league at large.
Right? And this is, uh, someone out of Charlotte Rick Barnell out of Charlotte from the w f NZ radio station in Charlotte.
Here is what I'm hearing from the league at large. Lemelle.
Oh, is not performing very well at job interviews.
I've heard that from multiple sources.
He is not improving his perception through the job interviews.
Uh, there are people drafting later in the top 10 who are preparing for the possibility off ball still being around.
So now I'm not saying that he would not be a top three pick.
I am saying that I know for a fact that there are teams later in the top 10 or doing more research on them because they no longer think it's a giving that he'll fall in the top three or that he'll be in the top three.
So let me ask you guys, if the mellow ball is there around six or seven, you know you're the Knicks, you're in the war room.
You notice he's dropping.
Do you say, Let's make a move.
Let's try to make a trade.
Let's trade up, Tony.
I'm gonna start with you, man.
What do you What do you do? Do you trade up? If you see he's dropping and he's there around six.
You like, You know what? Let's make this move.
So that's something we Oh, I know you guys are gonna kill me.
Who got the fifth pick? Who's got to fit? You know, let me see.
I'll tell you right now, give me a second.
Probably the fifth pick is Cleveland.
Cleveland's got So here we go.
So Minnesota got the first pick.
Golden State has the second pick.
Charlotte's got the third pick.
Chicago's got the fourth pick.
Cleveland's got the fifth pick.
Atlanta's got the six pick, Detroit at seven and the Knicks right. Eight.
I know you're gonna kill me, but I said it before.
If if if ball does not get picked by the first four picked.
I'm trying to work the trade with Cleveland.
I know you don't like it, but I'm trying to do a pic swap.
And and, uh, I'll do Julius Randle and I'll take Kevin Love.
And I told you before, Listen, a zoo Muchas as much as you hate.
Yeah, I hate Julius Randle and and I'm not even on that train because I actually like Julius Randle and I think he's gonna improve.
Kevin, love is a way better fit.
Um, and you get the mellow in that trade too.
I do it in a heartbeat. E.
Do it in a heartbeat.
It's not gonna be easy.
It's not gonna be easy for us to get free agents.
Um, that that has been proven already.
Um, I just think he's a He's a way better Fit shoots the three rebounds.
Granted, he's not a great defender, but he's adequate enough.
And then Mitch behind him, I think that works out.
I think it works out space on the floor.
I think it works out as faras Uh, whether you want to consider him a star or not.
Let's just say he's a champion.
He knows how to win if it's in so many different ways, if you just get over how much he's getting paid.
I'm always the guy that says it's not my money so but that zoo now I get that.
I just don't wanna.
I just don't like it all the way until 2023.
Man, he's making basically $30 million a year until 2023.
His contract started 1920.
He still has 123 years left.
And how old is he? 30 31? 32.
Maybe old is that I think he's 32 Um, but his And that's the other thing.
His game is not predicated off athleticism.
He's gonna be the same production guy, probably throughout his career.
His rebounds may drop, but he's 100% 1 of the best passing big man or passing power forwards in the league.
Still, and he's been that since coming into the league, he's one of the best three point in power forwards in the league.
Like I'm telling you, if you just get over the money or just tell me who were missing out on potentially realistically by not having that money available, I mean, I mean going until, let's just say this going into not even in 21 but going into 2022 2023.
You know, I think that's when you start Thio because your hope is that by 2022 right two years from now, the team is competitive and on the verge, right? And then you look and you say, Is this contract holding us back? I don't know and and and I will argue.
The longer he's on the team, the more his value goes because the closer, he becomes an expiring contract.
So so eso eso Kevin Love Last season.
17.6 points per game.
8 rebounds, 3.2 assists.
You shot 45% from the field, 37.
4% from the from 3.
85% from the free throw line.
That's Kevin Love last year and 56 games with the Cleveland Cavaliers for his career.
2 points, 11.1 rebounds, 2.4 assists.
44% from the field, 37% from three.
That's his career averages.
And you know, I get all of that.
I just don't know if he brings everything that I don't know.
I think I mean, you're not gonna find 17.
I mean, 17 points and nine rebounds that easy in the MBA e Don't know, man again.
I get I get why people are for it.
But I'm just trying to give every argument possible.
And you? I'm willing in here, you know, I mean rebukes because the only thing anybody says is his age and the money his age.
I don't think like for what he does he's gonna be able to do that throughout his career.
Shooting doesn't go away.
Passing doesn't go away now.
He's definitely gonna be able to do that throughout his career.
You know, he's gonna be on the court.
He's definitely gonna be able to do that throughout his career.
But, you know, you know, I worry about, you know, obviously injury woes.
He's dealt with injury woes, Clearly his age, clearly his, um you know, the contract, Uh, defensively.
Hey, you know, you know he's not gonna be, You know, we'd like Thio try to push the ball up the floor a little bit.
He's not gonna be doing that.
He can't help because he spreads the floor, but he's not really gonna get it.
Kind of got into pushing, but But here's my argument to that He doesn't have to dribble the ball to push the ball.
He's one of the Premier League passes, but that zoo hey, could rebound the ball and outlet it.
He could rebound the ball out.
Let it, I tell you that I don't know, man.
I don't know if it be a movie about me, okay? Yeah, go ahead.
Um, Andy, Tony, just to say we broke from the chair because they're on you.
If the players association cannot negotiate out, uh, Amnesty clause, I might consider it.
But you should have started with this role with that misty close asking for a row but negotiated amnesty clause.
Then why would Cleveland just say? Well, you know, we'll amnesty him and then e but they would save the amnesty toss.
You know, that would save it for later on.
If they screwed up again, bro, that this would be a Mari situation, you know, from the beginning for next 34 years.
I think Cleveland would probably amnesty that contract, knowing where they are.
Would you say freeze E e Think they would trade Kevin Love and let the Knicks amnesty Kevin Love.
And then they, in turn with Amnesty and Andre Drummond.
And so that would free up all of all the bad contracts on the J.
Andre Drum is a free agent.
Yeah, It's, um, about a weather report like yesterday that they're gonna keep him.
They're gonna keep drumming.
That I'm surprised about that because I was the first one.
You know, when they traded for him.
I was the first one to say that.
They're gonna, you know, cut him.
But they're they're gonna They're gonna stay with them and keep them around.
So, e, they don't have a choice because exactly he has a fair option.
Yeah, he has a player option.
Eso they got to say we're gonna keep him.
We want him, maybe flip him at the deadline for something.
You know, that s O that they really have no choice.
But I want to hear I want to hear the tributes against against this.
Like, I get the age, I get the injury list history and I get the money, you know? Ask me a question.
Say it again. Say it again.
Is Lemelle a ball work us taking on Kevin Love contract eyes it, Or can we pass on the mellow and and look to get another point guard in a different place is melo Lemelle a ball that good where we're willing to take on basically $40 million just to get the production of the melon ball.
I'm not opposed to going that route either.
I'm honestly I'm just throwing out, throwing it out there as as a way to move up, Get the guy that everybody, you know, once.
And you know, I mean, like, I'm just giving a scenario like this is not something that that set on.
So if if you like a guy equally as much as the mellow or or not that far difference and you don't wanna, you know, take on a contract like that, I get it.
I'm not mad at that.
But I'm legitimately just given a scenario that I feel in the woodwork or could work has to say on Yeah, Mark And, um, you'd himself.
I just I just I just had to mute him when he was talking over other people.
My logic will tell you this.
Why? Why would clean on trade 1/5 pick when you need the best talent available for that team? What freed you ever going in? You tell me that date looking like that.
Listen at I'm training for the mellow ball.
Whatever I got to do, I just need that plate making ability that he has.
And he's a 68 guard.
He has potential even getting bigger and better.
I just need that plane that playmakers going.
And on top of that, I'd rather call Detroit Natural Blake Griffin before for Kevin Love number one.
If Kevin Love was desirable in any sort of wait, any teams would have been called for if he was that good.
No one watches. Kevin.
Love no one even cares for Kevin.
Kevin Love is buried in Cleveland.
Kevin Love is gonna be there for the rest.
His career, whatever years you've got left.
And take that contract in 2023.
Why would I do that? S so Let me let me let me ask you though, because because you just you contradict yourself for a second.
You said I just want the mellow ball here.
I need that playmaking guard.
I'm going to do anything to trade up to get him right.
So just let me ask you if Cleveland if he falls and he's in Cleveland's a lap and Cleveland could take him and they say they said Leah, Mark Leon Rose, Who's Mark Leon Rose? Right.
So they call you up Mark, and they say You Leon Rose right now they say Listen, I know you want Lemelle.
Oh, and I know you got cap space.
You have enough cap space so that you can take on Kevin loves contract.
We don't want Kevin loves contract.
Hold up, hold up. Let me finish. Hold on, Let me finish.
And they say to you we would do a straight up swap for you.
You eat his contract or you traded some guys that we can wave like Bobby Portis.
This notice that or or Julius Randle you take his contract and then we'll give you this pick so you could take Lemelle.
A bond will take your eighth pick straight up.
They call you when they say Mark, you take came of love in his contract till 2023.
You take that 30 million to 2023 we'll take Julius Randle and the eighth pick.
We'll give you Kevin Love in the fifth pick so you could go get the mellow ball eso they call you.
Do you do it? You want him that three year numbers to just three years? Number three years numbers his three year numbers.
You want US three year numbers all right. The last three seasons.
8 rebounds per game, 3.
9 rebounds He shot.
He shot 36% from three alright. 2017.
3 rebounds and he shot 41% from three.
Now what does this contract says to me? Is a play option in his last year? No, it's a straight up contract, no player option in the last year.
So the last year in 2023 he makes 28.
That's kind of good because 29 million It's not like 44 million at the end of it.
E Honestly, I think I would do it, cause why that Chris Paul thing has has has has caused, as has talked about again is a possibility.
They have a trade.
They have a trade right now and play all they all have to do is just pull the plug.
And if I could bring that if I could bring all freedom like that.
Yeah, I'm doing it.
E o Check chat All the faces Mark was making, you know, saying crusty lips, all in the camera eyebrows all in the camera.
You know what I'm saying? Making all these faces and all of that Now he says you're doing see that he's about to kill him. It's him.
Not for nothing.
This'll was the same reaction I got last year when I mentioned Chris Paul.
This is the same reaction I got last year when I mentioned Jimmy Butler like it takes time for my things to sit in.
Well, hold on, Tony, Tony, Tony, you don't say straight up.
Like the way sin did it.
The oh, you said the same thing he said with another pick swap.
He said Two picks.
You know, he said, He said, the straight up swap, the eighth and the fifth pick and then Kevin Love with Julius Randle.
I thought I heard from that.
The Knicks would have to give up another pick, another pick.
That's what I That's what I thought I heard.
But if it's straight up like that, e believe the Miller ball is that good? Where is work? Taking on basically that money.
Well, I would get money, though.
We have to like this like this.
What free agents gonna come to the next? All right, that's what you're looking at, right? Because we just one year away.
So when we're when we're going into play next year.
Were one year were one year into develop one year into building a team Ain't no, ain't no significant free.
It's gonna be like, Okay, I'm gonna go there now since they got this and that we have to look good for at least one or 23 years before freezing.
Even thinks about saying, you know the next look good.
We have to look good.
Good, good for one of those big guy.
So if S o right now way have to sacrifice two seasons way, we have to build for two seasons, toe look good for for anyone to look our way, Or if there's a trade out in the horizon, that can possibly happen.
But because Kevin Love contract is that 29 million his last year, that is kind of a bargain compared to all these other superstars, like your John Wall.
You're Chris Paul. You're Chris Paul.
But his contract comes off a little. Ah, year earlier.
You wrestle with these dudes are in 40 or $40 million rocket.
Now that's a little different.
E could deal with 29 million.
I could deal with that.
I could deal with that.
Especially get my fellow here.
You can't give up that playmaking ability, man, you haven't You haven't seen something like that in a long time.
That's just special basketball right there.
Talking about players trying to draft draft prospects, trying to dictate what they want to go where they wanna be.
James Wiseman has basically said the reports, but that he does not want to play for the Minnesota Timberwolves.
He does not want to play with Karl Anthony towns, and I don't think it's in a negative way.
I think it's because he probably feels that they duplicate one another and it may not make sense.
Oh, the report from Brian Wine Horse win horse, wine, horse.
However you say Wiseman does not want to come to Minnesota because Karl Anthony towns is there from what I understand Wiseman doesn't even want Doesn't want anything to do with the Minnesota Timberwolves, Right? So But listen, But see, But this is But I respect that mawr.
I just I just respect that, you know, a place saying that.
I don't wanna be here.
Now, if they take him, take him and take him.
Yeah, but that seemed more when someone said in a courteous interview, I think the mayor took a Curtis interview.
But see, I disagree.
I don't think that's more rule, because if if I'm the Minnesota Timberwolves and I have interest in him, but he says to me, Listen, I don't wanna be there.
I don't wanna waste my time going and sitting down, going through an interview when I could be taking care of other business.
Why waste my time? Cool.
You don't wanna be here.
All right, I get it. I understand.
Boom, Tim, you even tell the team that you just you just coming into the n b A.
You was just a college player.
I mean, I get it.
He can't control it, but he can't express his opinion and say I'd rather not play in Minnesota.
But if they draft me, I'm gonna play.
You know, I'm saying I'm gonna do my job.
It's not like he's gonna sit out.
What? What? And why would Why would you take a courtesy interview? But everyone, everyone has taken a courtesy any of you want in your life? Why take a courtesy energy with intensive bombing when you could just not do the interview? And that's giving you that's giving the impression right there that you're not interested? E o if someone If if I'm saying y'all y'all wanna interview with you and someone just like just just brush me off the way Wiseman there, I'd rather you give me the courtesy interview and let me ****yze it from there.
So I so I can fully understand now you just why didn't he just completely brush the ball? That's kind of disrespectful.
Do you think it let me ask you, Do you think is disrespectful or or rule? If a team decides they don't want to interview a player, what if this guy feels like I should be a top a top three pick? You got the third period, but you're not interested like you know what I mean, it goes.
A Players should not be obligated to do anything for a team that he's not interested in that up to the team to go in and draft them.
If they feel that confident, and if they don't, then they don't.
But what if the tip was how the plant wait? I mean, question is just like with any job.
What if they have a plan for you? What if they have a plan that's cool? E.
Basketball is a difficult thing, Ma.
Basketball is a reciprocal thing, and that's that comes with everything.
Relationships are reciprocal thing.
If I clearly show no interest, you could have a Fortune 500 plan.
That don't mean a **** thing if I'm not interested in the way you conduct business.
If I'm you got players on your team that played the same role is me that Fortune 500 playing can.
Only it's not gonna include me the way I wanted to include.
So, uh, one other time, one at a time.
If I don't have, if I don't have any interest, right, like it's a reciprocal thing.
If I don't have any interest in that plan, that you have.
Because I know that plan, unfortunately includes having ah, duplicate player and myself and Karl Anthony towns.
How am I going to guarantee that I am going to be the full beneficiary? Oh, my God.
What if a zone organization right? Organizing you just say I'm not gonna interview, But they clearly want to interview with him.
Like they, they they they didn't want to interview from there.
I can understand that.
But they they just want to talk to him. That's it.
E o You know what you sound like, Mark? You know what you sound like, Mark, You sound like a You sound like a stalker, dude trying to get the girl that don't want, like, because e telling you.
Listen, bro, the girl is telling you I'm not interested in you like, but just talk to me, baby e o Every dude, Every dude I went through something like that and change the girls changes the girl.
My I don't think so.
Oh, man o e because now now you reach it because there's a girl you probably wanted and she probably brought you up, but you try to you try you try and you finally got it.
What if the team is trying to get one of the teams Just want a courtesy interview? I like what I'm saying is like What it was like Like, horrible.
It's a horrible.
So what you're saying is what you're saying? Minnesota should just try and try and try and get the interview from a guy when they got when they got, ah, 150 other candidates that are available for interview.
Like you can t o teams probably wanted to see what he's about that's all on.
He's coming about them, and I'm saying he's not I'm not about y'all.
That should be enough of it indicated and say, Yo, if I wanna see what he's about, you don't got There's nothing to see at this point.
Don't make my point.
Don't make my point to seem like it's some off the wall crap.
Thank. That's just that simple.
They probably want a courtesy interview.
A courtesy interview.
Okay, let me let me get to a phone call.
I'm gonna come back and get a Tony.
Alright? Get to a phone call here like that.
So calling you live, man.
What's popping, Sam? You know what's going on, brother? How you feeling? I'm feeling all right that you guys are hilarious.
Next family will stop everybody in the chat.
Let me let let me just pick up where Mark left off.
Mark is 100% correct.
And I'm gonna tell you why.
When you are a professional, you act like a professional.
You understand? What the Wiseman doesn't wanna be here or not? That's fine.
But I remember years ago saying that Allen Iverson was gonna rule the day the unprofessionalism that he showed when he was on top of the game because this league was gonna be here a lot longer than he waas.
So But e how is it unprofessional? That man can't.
That man can't get a job.
But how is it unprofessional to say I don't wanna play for a certain franchise? How is that unprofessional? It's unprofessional.
You know why? Because it's a part of the process.
You see what I'm saying? It's a part of the process of you coming into the league.
If you don't wanna be here.
If you don't wanna be here.
Million years don't tell billionaires what to do.
I'm all for the players.
You understand what I'm saying, but you go through the process.
Nobody is as long as Minnesota has been in this league, the only person I've ever known who was playing Minnesota with Kevin Garnett and he wasted and he wasted Hey wasted almost three quarters of his career there in Minnesota.
But there's still an MBA franchise, you understand? I'm saying this.
This is still the owners league and they will remember you for it.
They will remember the unprofessionalism when you are that when you when you're down and out when you were 12 year veteran K and you don't you don't Booth at first contract and blue that second contract, which a lot of these players do, and God forbid, you don't go to one or two divorces.
You see what I'm saying and you need that money you know you wanna and you, you you want an assistant coaching job.
You know what I'm saying? These people will remember these things.
I just I don't think it's unprofessional if there's a place that I don't wanna work for.
I don't even call them up.
I don't even call him and say, Hey, you know, do you have job openings? If I don't wanna work there, I go and try to get into a place where I wanna work.
I me, me, e mean, me.
I would much rather 1000 the owner, I would much rather play, to be honest and up front with me said, You know, I really don't wanna be in Minnesota, You know what I'm saying? And, you know, if I decided to draft that person, I draft him.
But they say I don't wanna be in Minnesota, you know, I don't wanna waste my time interviewing somebody that doesn't want to be there.
Uh, this is a moment in time where young people young men have been waiting for this moment forever.
You understand what I'm saying? You don't mess this up if you don't wanna be there, pay the organization the courtesy, paying the courtesy to sit down.
And then well, I don't wanna be here.
And this is why.
So what about Steph Curry, Right.
He didn't interview with Golden State because he didn't want to be there.
They still drafted him and he played.
But he But he said, I don't want to go to Golden State.
So I'm not interviewing there because he wanted to go to New York.
They just decided to take him anyway.
Take him anyway and everything went hunky Dorry and all is well, It's not gonna always be like that, I mean, but what I'm saying, they still decide.
I would say it's unprofessional if they draft him, and then he says, I'm not playing.
I think that would be unprofessional, right? But if he just says top, I don't wanna be in Minnesota, E think it's I think it's all in the process.
I think it's all about the process because you got what I'm saying.
These teams and these organizations, they're gonna be here a lot longer.
Then then you are.
I see a couple of guys with fingers up.
Somebody got a question e.
I'm just gonna add on this that we got to remember that teams in this year's draft can, you know, maybe interview more guys, but they can only work out 10 guys, right? So if the Minnesota Timberwolves are looking to trade the pick a little bit down a little bit lower.
They gotta keep those 10 open spots with those low rise, right just to make them.
You know, the coaches have an eye on them.
So I'm guessing you know, this This might be also, you know, in in the hand, Thio.
You know, Thio think about when the guys air blowing out into this right? Besides, they can make the age and just say, Okay, listen, my doesn't want to play her.
You better, you know, introduce someone else.
Just do not lose those 10 into this.
A player does never want to play for you.
Yeah, I agree. I agree.
I was just gonna take it back assed faras thes players.
I mean, these teams still have the advantage.
If that's the guy you want and and that's your guy, it doesn't matter whether you interview doing whether you work them out.
Whether you saw if you know, that's your guy, you're gonna pick him.
So it it doesn't really matter whether the player wants toe sit down with you or not, because you still have that advantage.
So and if you for players league more so than the owners league and the players got to do what they gotta do, and at little advantage is that they have, like in the draft, you have no choice but to go to the team that picture.
So if you don't wanna go there, you know there's certain things you got to try to do.
But it's still out of your control.
It's your control, 100% correct.
But you still need to be professional because you don't know what that player, what that team designs are bringing you in.
You know what I'm saying? What is the general manager says to you know what? We gotta we gotta deal for Karl Anthony towns.
Okay, we got a deal for Karl Anthony.
Towns were willing to do this.
This and this if you if you come in here.
And not only that, but this is what we're trying to do for you off the court.
You see what I'm saying? All those things you don't know because you eat you.
Either you either being immature or you're listening to the wrong people who are telling you.
Blow it off because If I draft you anyway, guess what? You have no choice.
That's and that's That's my full point if you have these plans, if you have these things in place, it doesn't matter because they're still in place when you decide to draft that player him Not having the interview is not changing your plans, your ideas for him.
Whatever thing you have going on, it's not changing anything because you still have that option to draft him right on.
The only thing it does is help the player let that team know that I'm really not interested, but they still don't have a choice.
Yeah, you don't have a choice for this official.
You have new place, especially guy that drafted that high.
It's a family then you are trying to create.
You're not trying to start something off of animosity.
You see what I'm saying? Look what happened to the look what happened to the cat that Philadelphia drafted a couple of years ago, whose career still not on track with his broken jump shot and everything else is like the worst overall number one pick who's ever been Why? Because everything from the beginning it was botched from the beginning.
You know what I'm saying? You have Thio.
If this is your plans, you gotta be able to talk to this guy and say, Well, look, these are my plans.
This is what I have for you.
This is what we're gonna go, And then you can tell me that I don't want this that in the third.
So this way we're not going off on a bad foot.
I think if they had planes, and I'm gonna let you go out to this because I think we got some other callers.
Um, but I think if they had plans right, and they said, OK, he doesn't want to interview.
But let me talk to his agent.
Said, Hey, tell us, Agent just let him know.
Karl Anthony Towns is on his way out.
You know, we got we got this set up.
We got that set up, we're gonna bring in this guy.
We're gonna bring in that guy.
Here's some things that we could possibly do off the floor, Bill.
I think if they really wanted them, they would They would.
You know, they let us agent know those things, But you're right I'm a rollout.
But just before I go, I want to say one thing to you.
So you and GMO I didn't like I didn't like the way you rep ST John's the other day.
E Didn't reps say you didn't read ST John's? Well, if I was on that line, I would have e would have let I would have let slow John Wallace.
Okay, I would have reminded him a couple of things from games way back when.
But I'm gonna let that go.
It's hard right now to say anything comparing ST Johns a Syracuse man.
No, that's well, that's right.
How hey 30 He 30 years ago, my memory go.
My memory goes back there, and he put himself on the all time Syracuse list and I would have let her know.
He comes before you, but I'm not even gonna go there.
But anyway, e O.
Brought up brought Ron Ronnie cycling out the hat.
She's Ronnie sightly.
You know I love my ST John's man, but uh huh, it's been It's been tough, man.
It's been it's been a tough two decades.
We're gonna have a former ST John's player.
We're gonna have a former ST John's player joining us.
Our next week lead to in a couple of weeks, I ain't gonna fronts.
And when he said that, campuses, that was crazy.
E party in, like, you know, seven await e They had no dogs at the town S o.
It happens, man. It happens.
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Uh, let me get to a couple of super chats.
And I do wanna think evergreen for the super chat the other day forgot exactly what it was.
I could go back and look at it.
Um, So I appreciate you for that, Michael Parker.
You said he's predicting that RJ will be included in the deal to bring Romelo to the garden.
That would be ridiculous.
That that that would That would not be good.
That would be a good look, he said.
Uh, trade RJ knocks Randall in the eighth pick for the second pick.
Not doing that? Why? Why would you want to try? Why would you trade RJ? Why would you trade R J E? I mean, the point would be to put the second pick with R J.
Whoever that second pick is, the point would be to put it with R. J.
You defeating the entire purpose of making that trade if you include RJ.
It doesn't make sense on Danny Thomas thinking for the Super Chat, he said.
Thoughts on this trade proposal between New York, Minnesota in Phoenix said New York gets Kelly you Bray and James Johnson and the 17th pick from Minnesota.
Minnesota gets Portis.
Uh, it's Portis Portis Jr.
Julius. Randle. Ok, ok, ok, ok.
Get supporters Julius Randle and D.
S J and Phoenix get no, Phoenix gets random, so I don't know his supporters.
I guess you're saying Minnesota gets porters and D.
S J and Phoenix gets Randall.
Yeah, I will do that to get 70 picking his drive and take back James Johnson expiring contract.
Yeah, you wouldn't put us up.
I mean, I don't know, e I mean, I don't know.
I have to look at it and and look at Look at everything.
You have to take a look at everything you see.
Are we keeping? Are we keeping the number eight pick with E? Guess what? It looks like we're keeping the number eight pick.
I didn't see the number eight pick changed hands, so I'm assuming we get to remember a peep.
Listen by by Julius Randle.
Yes, Fire, fire.
So s so check this Khalid Pasha said R j is not better than Anthony Edwards.
Let's argue, it's not about that.
If you get the second pick, your trying toe put Anthony Edwards and RJ together.
So if you trade RJ to get the second pick now, I just don't want to say you're stuck.
But you got got any words and and nothing else is starting over again.
The point is to put ah, high pick and RJ together so that you're not starting over.
I understand it. Way.
All know RJ traded that the Knicks is keeping that dude.
He ain't going over so even speak of all j getting trade.
I don't get it, but anyway, look, ladies and gentlemen, uh, those are on YouTube.
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Loki! Sin! God, What would you say, E Loki, get Mark Berman.
Mark Berman, a China.
Look, look, look, I was at I was at I went toe the knicks media day 2014.
I went to a mixed media day, you know? And, um, he didn't do or say anything rude to me, but he just looked like he didn't want to talk to me, You know what I'm saying? Eh? So I was like, you know, you know, I'm just gonna go on about my business.
He, you know, he was he was in there.
He was cool, but just looked like he didn't want to talk to me.
Now, Frankie, I Solar was in there on and he looked at me because he remembered me, right, Because about maybe four or five months before that, I had I wrote an article and I said something about the Knicks media, and then he jumped in my in my in my in my dms on Twitter started coming at me.
You know, I'm saying, like, coming at me and I'm like, He's like, he's like, you're talking about the media, isn't it? The media that you're trying to get into and this and I'm like, Yeah, actually, I'm not trying to be you, bro.
I'm just like saying what I feel.
What I what I think you know.
I mean, and I got Thio Media Day and he just who was I was sitting next to somebody and they asked me who I was, and I told him, You know, at that time I was just writing blog's and I told him I was coming from and then he just looked at me real funny and just looked at me for, like, 15 seconds trying to figure or probably like Oh, snap.
This is the guy that I d.
Because he probably didn't thought that he would never see me in life.
You know, we never said anything to each other, but yeah, I should have said something to him, but I didn't.
E a **** thing is gonna be huge, dog.
This thing is gonna be huge.
All this things put together is gonna be dynamic is going to change the game.
I'm telling you, you know e.
Well, I'm telling you, this is This is the Wu Tang of all New York Knicks social media.
That's where we are.
And so e got somebody gonna be impressed with on coming on with me? I got a Hall of Fame New York Giants Super Bowl champ degree that You know what I'm saying? Oh, just about They're coming on, and And so when? When we get it finalized, man, You know, I like for you to be there, if you can.
I don't want to say his name because I don't want to ruin it.
And then I got a ALS star baseball player, Gold Glover that agreed to.
I talk to these people today.
I saw him Saturday, so we got some stuff, you know, saying so we wanted.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we're gonna have this thing be the huge, huge, huge, huge, huge and organic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's all.
That's dope right there.
That's super dope right there.
That's what I'm saying.
Way are the Wu tang of this New York Knicks social media stuff.
Man, put that out there.
everybody put it out there.
Everybody with a wu tang of it.
Let everybody know this is the Wu Tang.
But anyway, let's talk about let's talk about this, um eh, NBA stuff.
And whether or not we think we're going to start December 22nd, are they going to start training camp training camp December the first? You know, the players Association is not happy with it.
LeBron is saying he won't play the first month of the season because, you know, they just got finished playing in the NBA Finals.
What do you think is gonna happen on that front? It's all about the money.
I mean, it is is definitely all about Yeah, it is definitely all about the money for others, not himself, because he's getting paid over with $40 million.
He won't be taking a hit, but he has to think of other player That's not going to get paid because, like I said, these contracts that these guys going to get, I think certain 15 to 30%.
So a guy that could be making 4.
5 will be making like Daniel one point something like that's how bad it can get if they don't agree on the December 22.
And on top of that, ESPN went around calling team if they went around calling things about this.
So I think that it's gonna happen.
You know, you just got to come to the meeting.
But once place start seeing how much money, especially the ones that don't get paid like LeBron to Chris Paul, those guys are fine.
But when it comes to the other players around the lake, when they see 20 those percentages and their checks, you know they're gonna wanna play December 22 this one, LeBron, you played.
Not everyone else.
People want to come and play.
People need to get paid.
People got bills to.
So it ain't all about you, LeBron James.
Well, hey, Mark, I understand where you're coming from, man.
But you have to consider is that the benchmark of 72 games? Just because you start in January versus starting earlier in December doesn't mean that you won't play 72 games.
What the NBA probably do is is let them know that 72 games is the benchmark for the TV contract they have to play that for everybody's checks to look similar to the year before.
So if you start in January and you still play 72 games, they may put, I understand what you're saying.
But you just understand that the counter.
But what you just saw is MBA finals in October, Thio.
But still, to say that you can't start in January and play 72 games is not exactly accurate, Especially when you saw the finals go from the usual June stressed out into the fall.
So what? So what they wanna do is make sure that they preserved try to get a balance back to the 21 22 season.
If you can't do that when you're finals pushed back because the Olympics wasn't played last year, they do not want to play before the Olympics start.
So again they need the 72 game for the money, right? LeBron James, only speaking off of that because he just played okay, So wait.
And he gets paid a significant amount of money, right? So this contract won't take.
He won't take a hit just like any other player, so he can speak for himself.
He could say that because he's LeBron generally and most people are farm.
That don't mean that everyone's gonna follow LeBron James, the other 450 other players that has their own opinions t things.
Maybe the guy, the big stars, big contracts are the ones agreeing with LeBron because they're on his day on his plaque.
So when making money.
But the league, the league wants everything to get back to the way it waas.
They don't want to have another finals like that.
This one was president.
This was President.
What happened? You don't think you will ever see this again? So they want to 72 games.
So that inclines with ending, ending the season and the playoffs by the time the Olympics is around, because the Olympics is gonna take gonna take take over next year.
So that's that's what Mark people, the league people viewers like us tune into the MBA for star power.
You know, I'm saying those 450 other cats that you mentioned, if you look at the stars that were in the playoffs, right, all the cats that the best players e mean, that's the outline of a dog just let me out.
So the thing is, if people want to tune in and to see star power and if they if they season starts and the Stars are not there, it's gonna be a disaster.
LeBron has spoken up.
I didn't hear from James Harden.
I didn't hear from Kevin Durant.
I didn't hear from another Big star is just LeBron.
So in that case, he's the only one acting for the 50 games as as of today.
But when you talk about other stars, I think they're ready to play the one that has he played.
They're ready to play.
It's been it's gonna be a month.
What is it Today is November.
There's gonna be two months gonna be two months.
There's gonna be two months since our I mean look, LeBron could get in and just say and just not play.
They could put them on whatever.
You know, what happened? The seasonal start and then they'll say, Oh, LeBron has a groin injury, right? LeBron has a growing injury.
He doesn't play now.
How will that affect? You know, you know when he's going to play against, uh, other teams I get and people tuning in tow watch.
That's going to be the question.
But soon you think that last season you had two of your big NBA players that Kevin Durant and Steph Curry those are significant superstar that holds a lot of weight in ratings.
Just one. Stephan Curry Curry came back.
LeBron is sharing the wealth off the face of the MBA.
Please believe it.
It's not just him.
You have Steph Curry, which the kids love that draws that draws viewers.
Kids like basketball.
People love Steph Curry e.
But but But it's not about just it's not.
I mean, even with the Los Angeles Lakers, right? People are gonna tune, tune into television toe watch LeBron James hold up.
So watch hold up, hold up, hold up.
People are going to tune into television toe watch. LeBron James.
Lakers fans are gonna tune in to watch Lakers, right? They're called.
But there's more people than just Lakers fans who watched the Lakers play right because they hold up their national team.
They're you know, everyone likes to watch the Lakers play.
They're gonna if you if LeBron's not playing, it may hurt some of the ratings, especially especially when you're talking about this season starting in December because, you know, if the season starts in December, there's not gonna be fans in the stands.
It's gonna be it's gonna be It's gonna be a virtual game.
So they need is many TV ratings as possible and send the caveat is to write LeBron plays on the West Side.
They was losing rating with him being on the West Side.
A lot of people have a hard time watching basketball games at 10 30 at night.
That's when the Lakers play.
You could go back and look.
I mean, of course.
I mean, we know what time they play when they're, you know, in New York, you know, on East Coast, they play at 10 30 You know, over there, they're playing at seventh, and I get that.
I get that, you know, So so So so So when you think about when LeBron James in the East People was upto watch because he's on the East Coast and he was he's one of the biggest stars in the league.
So of course it's gonna draw ratings.
But he's on the West and they had troubles off getting people to watch with him being in l.
But that's but that's all the more reason why if he's not playing, people are like, Well, I'm really not gonna watch now.
I could just catch the highlights tomorrow because he's not playing.
I mean, they're gonna want LeBron to play.
Yeah, they're gonna want to play on Christmas E O That you gonna say that and then say Steph Curry, Steph Curry plays in California also, You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Way? Just I think we're just trying to make the convenient argument just to get basketball earlier.
But this is a crazy.
You could go look at the ratings itself.
With LeBron being in the West.
It hurts the MBA, bro.
A different different booth play for the Lakers.
LeBron is not the only superstar that ever played for the Lakers.
The Lakers have always been on the West Coast.
I mean, as far as you know, a faras the Showtime Lakers, right? Right.
Yeah, I'm talking about what? A collection of God.
You know what I'm saying? Golden State for the last five years, in one of the most watched human history, bro.
But they're in California.
And they play at 10. 30 on the East Coast.
Yeah, I mean, I mean I mean, you know, bottom line.
If they start December the 20 so I can understand why they're saying, Let's start December the 22nd, right? One.
If they're not gonna have fans in the stands, then does it matter if you start in December, if you start in March, doesn't really matter.
Teams that didn't make the bubble, they if they don't start till March, that's an entire year that they went without playing basketball.
But a lot of money, man.
If they don't start by December 20 I know, I know.
That's that's That's the point that I'm getting that that's the point.
That's where I'm going, Right? So what's the point and waiting until January or February, when you could go ahead and start in December and start making, you know, start making money for you know, your TV, your TV sponsors, the networks and all of that kind of stuff? Um, instead of waiting until January, I think the benefits and starting the benefits to start in December.
To me outweighs, Ah, couple of players that say they may not play LeBron James is the only one that's talking, dancing.
They need this money to sal***e.
They're going to establish this year so they could so things to get better in 2020 2021.
For players, that's the point of it.
It ain't about that.
It's about the 2021 2021 22 season.
This year is sal***ing it.
That's why players players have to give the e think 15 to 30% escrow for the league toehold.
That's that's gonna happen.
That's going to happen when ESPN knocks on your door.
They called every team to make sure listen, December 22nd, because Christmas Day and all this other stuff you're going to play LeBron James is this preference.
You have other teams that that was out of the bubble prior to they was like like the Portland Blazers.
They had another three months toe Thio recruit and on top of that, they don't make the playoffs dog.
But I understand you need a team like the next.
So the elite eight is that is in that time frame that you're referencing.
So next tweet was in a bubble, right? 16 teams in the bubble.
What happened to all the other 16? It was.
It was 20 two teams in the bubble, 2022 teams in the bubble.
They played eight games, right? And then six of those teams were eliminated, went home.
And then there was 16 teams that played in the playoffs.
And then you had what half of those 16 teams got eliminated within the first, you know, week of the playoffs or whatever it was week and a half of the playoffs.
And then they went home.
And then you're down to eight teams, right? So I mean and they had a break prior to that.
Coz it, I called it.
Don't let's not over exaggerate.
December 22nd needs a happy man.
That's what I'm saying.
So, Mark, that's what I'm That's what I'm telling you.
So So you literally you actually watch the basketball in May and July? August, September, October.
Right? You saw it.
You saw it with your own eyes.
I don't want to watch basketball.
I don't wanna watch the playoffs in October.
No todo basketball without stars.
That's what you don't want to do.
You don't wanna watch Danny Green and Rajon Rondo without LeBron James.
That's not That's not what you That's not what you wanna dio.
Don't play this other stars that are like like Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Russell Westbrook.
There's about 10 and 15 of them that can hold their weight in asleep.
And I want to see Kevin Durant and Steph Curry mode and I want to see Oh, but they just They just finished the playoffs, Man, these dudes athletes need time to recover.
They have routines, their bodies like they finished the postseason.
They go through a routine.
And if you shorten that routine now, you're talking about these cats risking their bodies, getting engine and freezing the difference between the Lakers.
The difference between the Lakers and a lot of the other teams up other NBA teams that they have a TV deal.
They get paid, they get paid crazy brand the other teams like Grizzlies and they need to play because they don't make money.
They don't make money.
Teams give them help them.
So let's let me let me give you a little bit of an update.
This is from Agent Will Danowski.
About an hour ago, he said the MBA had a call with his general managers today, reiterating that there is still no timeline agreed upon with the National Basketball Players Association to start the 2021 season.
Talks continue with the union, but there's an increasingly short window to get an agreement in place for a pre Christmas tip to follow up with that sources.
This is still Agent Ward Janowski on the chances of getting an agreement for a December 20 seconds start to the season with training camps presuming, presumably needing to start within a month, Commissioner Adam Silver told teams today, We're running out of time.
Um, yeah, Uh huh.
I think there was a date of November 6th now for the collective bargaining agreement.
If they're gonna decide whether or not Thio change the collective the C B A.
It was once October 31st against they extended again Thio November the sixth.
I think it's November the sixth.
I thought it was a 17 but it's probably six last time you heard what? They're gonna tear that up.
You know that They have to tear it up.
Well, they haven't.
Well, that's what they've got to the n b p a and the n B A.
They've got to agree.
They both got to agree that we're gonna tear it up and come up with something new.
Yeah, revise it.
And I guess they are still in discussions.
So it's like this same.
Everyone's gonna have to take a sacrifice on this year.
So the rest of the embassies in from from from after that year can continue the way it is, the salary cap goes up because if it doesn't, then it's the salary cap is gonna drop.
They're keeping it from nothing.
They want to keep it on online.
They don't keep that one on nine and you don't therapist contract, it's going to go down, and players not gonna get paid the way they're getting paid now, So I believe is going to happen.
They're gonna stay upon or not, and we're gonna tear up that contract.
So that's gonna happen because there's no way players don't go back to the other salary.
One place that wasn't even stars was getting paid like stars a lot to buy his iris.
No, we will see.
We will see what's gonna happen if they don't start until January or February.
You got a group of players? Ah, large number of players.
Who's gonna go almost a year without playing professional basketball.
And, you know, the longer you go without these guys playing, you know, there's even more risk of injury.
I think you know what I mean.
And then, of course, millions and millions of dollars that they're losing, right? Uh, eso So if you so send if he's starting December.
Right? So if you start 22nd So how do you start? Are you start? Is every team starting in their own arena? Are you doing bubbles? So, No.
So So what they said they're going to do is they're gonna limit travel so you won't have as many teams traveling from the West Coast to the East Coast and teams that play more regional games now as faras preventing themselves, you know, preventing ah, covert outbreak.
You know, they've gotta put some measures in place.
Players gotta be tested before they played games and all those type of things, probably daily, they'll probably be tested daily.
They said they think that the n b a.
Send it out like a few days ago, a memo to all the n b A.
Teams that they can open practices to even up to 10 players, but the players have to be tested daily.
Okay, so that was my concern That that's the thing.
I'm concerned because I think a lot of times what we when we talk about the MBA starting, whichever date people forget that did the second wave of of the anticipation of second wave of this covert thing is rial.
You know, I'm saying it's not like, you know, we have an answer for the way that just passed.
You know what I'm saying? Crazy.
I don't want to see my basketball in the summertime.
Basketball is right is good around October through the winter time, because s so you can watch.
It s so let me ask you this.
And this is from Gregory Castillo.
If the c B A is tourney up and they and they re negotiate, is there a chance of a lockout? Well, we have basketball after going to start to play If that's gonna be a lockout.
Yeah, Now you gotta Now you gotta agree to terms all over again.
E can't see a lockout because e it's not just it's not just the players.
I mean, if you tear up the c b a now you've got a short amount of time to re negotiate terms.
Look how long it takes.
Thio, get to the C B A that you have now.
Look how long it takes to get to that right now.
You expect them to get it done in a couple of weeks.
And that was that was the beef.
That was what the MBA threatened if the players didn't come back for this bubble was was was getting rid of the whole the whole agreement, which which would have put them in the same position.
So it's gonna be tough, E said Too much money that's going to be lost.
And it's just not you have to look at the other players that do not get paid significantly, but looking to get paid significantly and in the future, so I don't I don't see it be I don't see it being e mean, it could be.
It could be, You know, I mean, it could be, um hopefully it wouldn't happen.
I'm not going to say, you know, you would think that both the players and the owners would be like, Listen, we really need this.
We've already lost so much money, we need Thio.
We need this, and we need to make this work.
But there's no guarantee once that CBS ripped up man, um, you start all over with those negotiations, and the players will be hurt by Yeah, but not only players.
I don't know if you heard, you know, a ruse dying by heart, Nick podcast.
Not only the players and not only the owners of the teams.
They gotta think about the rest of the people involved in creating those games setting up day arenas and you know everything around the, you know, the arenas.
That's that's tens of thousands of people around the n d a.
That that doesn't have work, you know, because of that, then sitting around and don't make an agreement, right? So exactly Exactly.
They had thousands of people e Even if they do come back, there's still thousands of people that are not e.
I mean, I want to see my Knicks play.
I'm tired of watching workout videos and and all of this, man, I want to see these guys ball.
Just want to see these guys get out there.
Who? But I do wanna mention, you know, just let you guys know when we do this podcast.
Big freeze E when I do this official MBK podcast.
Big freeze. He's gonna be there with me too.
I didn't say I mentioned earlier big fees.
He's gonna be there, but all of these guys are gonna be on, you know, it's just gonna be a little bit more of a controlled.
It's not gonna be the wild, Wild West.
It's gonna be a little bit more of a controlled environment.
You know what I mean? Instead of it being the wild, Wild West that it is usually our next weekly and after games and stuff like that, You know what I mean? So you know, I know there's some people out there that want to see a more controlled podcast, so we're gonna give them a little bit more of a controlled podcast.
But we're gonna keep the but we're gonna keep the wild, Wild West, you know, way we're going to keep the 36 chambers.
Wait a wait a couple weeks.
Just let me know.
We're good, We're good, We're good.
It's just, You know, you gotta have different things for different people.
You know, different things.
Some people like the Wild, Wild West.
Some people like all the drama like Mark loves drama.
Have you guys watch marks face when two people are arguing? He said all of his glory.
He said, All this global standing, their eyes open laughing, Yeah, rubbing his hands Thio power would be, You know, when there was power.
Wouldn't be as good if there was no bombing Your e telling people all about entertainment.
I'm not I don't Come on here, just talk all or farm on everything.
Let's get it on e o.
You got Wednesday.
So let's let's just have with no holds barred.
E get what they need to stay off the chest, Man, that's what entertainment about E.
You need to start doing that.
You need to stop being so quiet man.
And and you know what I'm saying? Ruffle some feathers? No, I always try to rub the feathers, man.
That's what I've been doing today.
All right, e changing e change this.
Other nicks shows there's other.
Next chosen You could be for more on.
Go watch. You can't stand the heat.
Get out, you know, But you know those those those postgame shows is gonna be exactly the same.
And you know how those postgame shows go.
You know, sometimes in post game shows be yeah, maybe a little bit. Wow.
You know, But it's all good, Especially when you want to blame one player.
Listen, I want to tell everybody.
Because man here recently I've been noticing.
Like the shows the NBK fam network have been super dope and diverse, like the die hard Knicks podcasts and watching Symone Andy on Coach's Corner and and yellow doing his thing, we guess, and things like that and me doing my stuff on SportsCastr, where it's just like hell in the cell.
Um, all everything is so diverse.
Man, you need to check out the NBK fan man.
Sam is doing? What time you going on? Because I want to catch one of your shows.
But you do Nick at Nite want you at night.
But what time do you start? Um, well, I generally try to do it like late.
Like, about 11. 30.
Something like that.
Yeah, but but I don't.
But I say this so I don't When I do it, I don't coincide with nothing.
That's nothing but next or the front stoop e have a home back to So So we all touch on on the home base, the front stoop, And, you know, we try to maintain that schedule and nothing but knicks trying to maintain that schedule and coaches corner thing outside of that.
Then we tried to You know what I'm saying? Get on and get the people what they want What? The next time you're going, Okay.
It's getting a Yeah.
It is a lot of stuff.
Yeah, it's getting around it e.
I mean, eventually, people are gonna be overlapping each other, but that's okay. It happens.
You know, it's cool.
A lot of people put that concept, but what? But I do want to say the uptown Twan man, I put a link in the chat.
You know, you can click on that link, uh, t join to become a member.
Or just remember this youtube dot com slash Nothing but knicks slash joint.
Um, but anyway, I'm gonna head out of here so I could get, you know, grab something to eat and start getting ready to watch this game.
Don't God bless me.
I love you, man.
Forgive me for me, me, me, me being me.
Because, you know, if you don't allow that man, I'll probably just watching it on and listen, y'all you know, I'm gonna We're working on Mark.
We're going to get Mark his own show soon enough.
We're working on way.
We've been saying that for years, but it's gonna e want to do a debate show.
Just me and Mark E Mark.
Let's make it happen, E uh, and work something out maybe once a week.
This make it happen.
E just wanna entertainment.
I just just like beef.
I like I like noise that I like noise now from New York, I love noise.
When he was a quiet what are we doing here? E Appreciate you guys. Man.
I'm ahead out of here.
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