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What's on, SportsCastr? Um, dumping on right quick.
Just gonna be on for a few moments.
I want to talk about a few things just really quickly.
Um, So I had some thoughts on on a few things and want to share those with you to see, um, if I am on planet Earth, um, or am I isolated and in my thinking, um, so, um, I feel like the NBA draft 2020 MBA draft maybe deeper.
Then we think then with the most and within what most ****ysts say.
And And I've come to that conclusion based on one fact this year, unlike any other, we've had more time to dive into each prospect.
You know, more time to, um, evaluate strengths and sure strengths and weaknesses.
More time to evaluate, um, teams needs and their flexibility.
You know what they're able to do? Um, more time to, um, um diagnose, um, each players, um um skill sets, you know, it was you know, is he a past first point guard? If he is, he a defensive minded point guard, is he had three.
And d um, type point guard.
You know, Um, you know, that doesn't can this big shoot, you know, all those things that that, you know, we like to kind of look at.
I think I'm in the mindset that that I think the draft is a lot deeper.
I think once you get to pick five, I think five through 20 is just about the same guy.
And I know that sounds crazy saying that that, um that is the Tyreese Halliburton Isaka core road range.
Compared to, say, a guy you get at 20 like a day Lynn Smith from Maryland.
You know, Josh Green's Is Isaac a car Rolling Josh screen, you know, comparable in terms of value.
I mean, you know what you're really getting? Yeah, I think so.
I think the cat's like Josh screen.
The Josh screens the air in the Smiths.
Um, the pressures that she waas the r J.
Hampton, who probably has more upside than anybody.
But he had probably have more downside.
Anyway, he's definitely Donald might.
So, you know the quote.
This TV show from back in the day, um, cats, like kids like RJ Hampton probably have, um, um is the extremes is basically what I'm getting that, you know, he could either be, um how could you compare them to? He could even be Bradley Bill or J.
R. Smith and J. R.
Smith wasn't a bad player.
But you see what? You know what I'm getting at? You could be a Bradley bill or, um, a Bradley Bill or Dion Waiters.
You know, you take guys really high in the draft, they flash, you know, tremendous upside and pre draft workouts.
And, um, you know, one guy through cir***stances basically becomes a Bradley bill, and the other guy through cir***stances becomes a Dion.
Waiters and those cir***stances that I mentioned this is, you know, the team that you go to the franchise that you go to, um, the coach that they have on board, Um, the opportunity to become the guy you know, How much weight do they put on your shoulders like, say, for instance, in a situation with the Bradley bill, not much weight is put on his shoulders in D. C.
And compared to Cleveland, who lost the LeBron um needed to turn their franchise around because that franchise may die without a franchise savior.
And now you drafted Dion waiters.
And this dude is just like a basketball player.
You know, um, you know, you go to you just, you know, basketball.
All they wanna really do is who they don't wanna.
They don't wanna be in a situation where they have to say franchises.
I mean, that's for the owner to do, right? Yeah.
And shut the door, man.
I have ah, dog like that.
Likes to jump on the broadcast, you know? I mean, he legit thinks he knows what he's talking about.
An old pug with Cem with legit wanna just like ah, ham for the camera.
I don't even know how he recognized the camera, but he's a hand for it.
Maybe one of these days, I'll let him co host.
But anyways, anyways, the point I get at the point of getting at is is picks, say, five through 20.
You know, you could probably make a case.
You could say, um, that point guards like Terryl, Terry and Carol Lewis Jr are comparable to, um, Tyreese, Halliburton and Killian Hayes.
And I know you know, y'all would say that that Killian Hayes and Tyree's Halliburton, maybe a cut above But we don't know that for sure, you know, because because all we do is go by go by film and and highlight tapes, their personal highlight tapes.
You know, we hadn't seen these guys play like in years past.
You know, things shake out, used to shake out and the, um, in the n b a combine in Chicago.
You know what guys like Damian Lillard was probably, um, you know, looked at me and picked in the twenties until he got to the combine and wind up being, you know, the best looking point guard prospect in the building, you know? So I'm saying pick five through 20.
Um, in my opinion, seemed to be just about the same.
And so what does that say about picks one through four? Well, it depends on who you like, what your flavor is.
Um I have the the the top three as a manuka Congo James Wiseman, Anthony Edwards and Lemelle a ball right.
And and people will say, you know, what about Denny? Um, you know the rumors out of Golden State from Atlanta? Um, the Golden State contingent was in Atlanta, Georgia, visiting with Denny, and they were overwhelmed by his interview has sit down. His I Q.
Has person ability and from the stuff that they saw on the court, right? Um, I don't buy into all that stuff at this stage.
I think a lot of stuff that's going to be coming out, um, from these teams and and my team included, the Knicks included.
Ah, lot of things coming out will be, um, posturing basically like the next the next, um, the rumor is, is, uh, Carol Lewis is a favorite of the next contingent, right? But the next pick it eight.
So I think that is one of those deals where where is posturing, Maybe looking to get the Phoenix Suns to do a deal, because we know the Phoenix Suns also like here, Lewis Jr.
So it was like, You know, to me, it's like the gamesmanship of of Hey, what's up? Will the great to let me do Let me do this, man.
I follow everybody in a strange I'm like I'm like a stalker on SportsCastr man.
I follow everybody is like one of the that SportsCastr is gonna put a restraint to know that I don't mean for following everybody.
I thought it was funny.
Anyways, Um, yeah.
So I think the draft the MBA draft Maybe deeper than we think.
And not just from 5 to 20 but from 21 2.
45 ish, I think 40 21 through 40.
Aziz, You know you have the Tyler Bays, The Zeke Nagy's the the Desmond Baines.
The cash is Winston's.
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Hey, so I'm getting on.
I'm talking about the I'm asking the question.
Is the NBA draft the 2020 MBA draft? Deeper than we anticipated? Deeper than we think.
Eso I touched on the point.
I think picks five through 20 are just about the same, you know? I mean, you could name a guy in between five and 20 and I can pick another guy in between five and 20 that I think is comparable, you know? Like for instance, for instance, the consensus a little while ago was Devin.
Vessel has to be the pick at eight.
Once we figured out.
Once we learned we were picking at eight, the Knicks most, I would say, about 40% of the next contingent of fans, by the way, the Knicks fans.
So it's a slam dunk.
We have to take Devin vessel, you know, And? And if the draft had remained in October like we anticipated, we may have Devon vessel.
But as time went on and we had more time to research, um, you know, for instance, I'll give you an example.
Um, I would prefer to take Erin E.
Smith over, um, Devon vassal, right? And it's just a question.
It's just a question.
Is it deeper? Um, I think there is no player with discernible, um, discernible abilities head and shoulders above anybody else. Five through 20.
Like, for instance, from five through 20 what guy stands out the most, like he's head and shoulders above the path.
So Andy says, um deeper is hard to say, I think we have less clarification because of the lack of march mad man That's happening right.
I agree with you.
And ironically, that's the reason why I think the the waters are muddied on the conversation.
You know, I just mentioned that and and and also the annual n B A combine in Chicago, where where the top prospects get together and try to let the dust settle on who the top prospects are.
And so and Ian said, most of the first round this decided on performance in in the March Madness.
I could see that I could see that, but also also where where you see usually sees prospects like R.
Barrett, Zion Williamson, um, proved to the world that their top three picks.
You also see people skyrocket into that conversation like John Morant, right? But we heard John Morant was good and he he was.
He was skyrocketing up boards, but he was not in the consensus coming in the consensus of the conversation Cam reddish camera.
This was a guy can reddish was like the number two guy and and Zion and and John Morant bum rush the party And yes, so And he said, the combine is more grading the athleticism and they don't hand out I Q tests in the combines now.
No, but but you know what they also do, though they also check measurements.
You know what I mean? Like like, say, for instance, we hear all year that Carol Lewis Jr is 63 right? And then he'll get to the combine and they find out he's only 63 and shoes and sneakers.
You know, that's a difference.
That's a huge difference.
That's what happened with us.
And Kevin knocks.
So we thought Kevin Knox was 69 He comes to find out he's only 69 and shoes, and I don't know what kind of shoes he was playing in.
But two inches, added to your height because of shoes is crazy.
What kind of shoes were you wearing? Were at two as interesting? Your height? It's crazy, right? But the annual combine, though, is yeah, it's the Leto's right, right, Andy.
Hey, yo! And shout out, Shout out to Andy! Also, Andy has platforms of his own manual Check out Andy Man, Super sharp cat knows the game of basketball on the court, man inside out.
Um, he's part of our, um the the NBK collective like myself.
Whereas, um Andy Nick G hero um, Guillermo from leading the knicks podcast.
Um, Chef Isaiah.
Um, Nick ish, right? Right.
So it's a bunch of us were like the Wu Tang clan of Nick's content.
E guess that makes me inspect the debt.
So I guess I'm the inspector debt of of are n b k RMB k fam network So But to our point, though, the I feel like picks five from 20 are are, you know, super deep.
Like where? Where you may say, for instance, if you pick Isaka Karol at at five.
Hampton at 20 you could legit point out flaws in each of these young players games, you know, as a ****erel can't shoot right, But he's an excellent defender.
At five at 20 eso you have RJ Hampton, RJ Hampton has the high school high school resume as a proven player.
Um, but his he is vastly grossly inconsistent, like he has flaws that he needs to make up for But his strength is he is super fast, super athletic and for a ball handling guard.
He's got tremendous size.
So they so I saw a guy on one of the other Nicks contributors channels, he said.
R J Hampton was 65 coming out of high school, but he maybe 67 right now, 67 with those skills.
Eso Andy says, I think in March Madness, stock rise, raise and drop pretty much you see how they perform on their highest stage.
I can't knock that.
I I also I do also like, I like March Madness as a measure of someone's abilities because you also get to see, um, these players play in high leverage games, right? So they're not playing.
They're not putting up a 30 point triple double against the the School of the Blind.
You know what I'm saying? You know, early in their conference schedule, getting their height on, you know what I'm saying? Hyping up their their draft stock.
They legit play against other lottery picks.
Unless there's a huge star like Steph Curry with the crappy team.
Well, well, you know what those Steph Curry proves Something with his crappy team? No, Steph Curry proved that he could if given the opportunity, he could be a different difference maker, and he and he continues to prove it to this day.
Given the opportunity.
Steph Curry is a difference maker and a difference maker.
Um, unlike we've ever seen, in my opinion, for God.
63 I think he's had the greatest impact on the MBA that we've ever seen.
So you should So and he says, you should you need to judge team record and accomplishment.
But not completely, not completely on one player.
You know what I mean? I think you should.
You should look at the fact that, you know, ah, guy did his very best to impact the teams win loss record and if that when lost record is mediocre, you can't completely blame the guy.
You know what I'm saying? You could look at it as if he took a very poor team and and drug them to the point where they had a decent record or they were decent team and he took them to have them being a good team through his impact through high I Q decision making and stay healthy, stay healthy through shot making by getting making his teammates better.
But the draft, though I think, say Picks 21 through 40 are all just about the same to do you.
How do you feel about the Vernon carries the, um, caches.
Winston's the caches? Stanley's the J Scrubs.
Um, I just feel like, you know, the draft has a lot more prospects Then when we let on and and so here's the thing.
Here's my measure of the prospects.
I'm not saying that Picks five through 20 are gonna You're gonna find seven or eight all stars.
That's not what I'm saying what I am.
What I am saying, though, is picks five through 20.
I think you could find legit borderline Starter's role role players, right cats that can legit contribute to a franchise, not guys that you have to groom for four years.
And then when their contract is up, they become journeymen.
I don't think so.
I think this this draft has guys that have the legit skill set that the n B A is looking for.
Um, like you say, For instance, a Desmond Bain Desmond bonus 66 to 15 sharpshooter e think he can legit contribute, Teoh.
A playoff team that needs, um, you know, average average NBA defense and above average NBA three point shooting, right? So if you're if you're the Boston Celtics, do you need Do you need another? Do you need more shooting? Maybe not.
Could you have faced in tandem and Jalen Brown? But it doesn't hurt.
You know what I mean? It doesn't hurt.
I mean, right now they had Brad Wanamaker at point, and I forget the other kids named the other backup guard, Um Trevan Waters, Tra Mount Waters.
That's his name.
You know what I'm saying? I want to make your instrument.
Waters are little guys, whereas Desmond Bain is 66 to 15.
And I know Desmond Main is not a primary ball handler.
I know that I'm talking about.
You know, if you're depending on market smart as your backup point or playmaker and Kemba Walker as your starter, then I think you you can You can live with a Desmond bein on the wing, especially since Jason Tatum can handle it.
And Jalen Brown is coming into his own so And he says that Yeah, that's the correlation.
Good player on a good team or a team that makes the team better.
Not only a one man show on a losing team.
You also look at a fit potential.
Um, translatable skill set.
Yeah, that's that was my point.
That's my point, like especially what You what you mentioned potential fit, translatable skill set.
That's what I think you get five through 20 and to a lesser degree, 21 through 40 for instance.
Caches Winston looks to be a legit back up point guard in the MBA.
Like like the cat that's gonna be around 13 14 years in the MBA.
When your starter goes, go to the bench on, you know, for rest or is out 1 to 2 games.
Cash is Winston can run your team and there won't be significant.
Fall off like they'll be fall off because there are Onley.
In my opinion right now, there are only really about 20 Guys that are suit are suited to be, um, starting NBA point guards, right? Hey, I saw caches.
I saw cashes at 34 catches Winston, like, 30 right outside the first round.
The last time I looked at, think about it.
Um Yeah, so So, you know, deep forties fifties.
It's what? It's whatever, man.
I mean, a lot of these, like Malik offline.
Do you like Malik offline? Do you like Grant realer? I mean, there are a bunch of guys that that you can plug in use Cash is Winston is an example.
But a lot of these guys are equipped to come into the game, get into the league right away and contribute.
It may not be stars, but they can keep.
They can keep the team afloat while the point guard is out.
And, I mean, by telling me out extended time I mean by you know, point guard going to the bench and you won't have to worry about, you know, guys, you know, the other team going on like a 17 old run.
Why? Why you guys? I think that's what hurt the Knicks. A lot of times.
What hurt? What hurts my Knicks a lot is the past few years.
Energy like, you know, coming into the game flat.
You know what I'm saying? And then getting down by a huge amount and then having Thio ramp up the energy and dig themselves out of a hole or or come out with a lot of energy and then not be able to maintain it.
And, you know, the other team, um, calls back into the game and then we don't have enough energy to fend them off, you know? So, yeah, in my opinion, I think that the draft is deeper, not with stars and not even with high level starters, but with guys that that, you know, can come in and contribute right away and and be a valuable piece.
So you think the Knicks should look for immediate upgrade production of future prospects? Um, I think it depends on on where they are when they're drafting.
Right? So if we stay at eight, I think the Knicks lead.
Need to look for, um, immediate upgrade production type per player like a If we're picking at eight.
E, think we need to look for potential high level starter.
Um, if that player is not there in our opinion, then trade back and then look to thio, maybe secure future prospects and assets.
Um, so I saw a thing where the NBA is looking to start the season on the December 22nd.
I don't know, if I'm a fan of that, it seems as if the Lakers just won the championship two weeks ago.
The Lakers just won the championship two weeks ago.
Really? Are we going to cram the entire off season into a 10 week window? Usually, the NBA Finals is over around June 20 something.
Right? So 10 weeks from that day is July.
This season usually doesn't even start until late October.
So you're talking about another seven weeks? Um and I know the cir***stances dictate that that we all adjust.
Um, who we are as people, you know? I know, I know.
I know. And he said, Screw the Lakers.
They bet all the time where whenever they play, I know I know it.
But you know what, though, as another franchise, we need to do something about it.
We need to do something about it.
I mean, we can't just complain about it, and I'm not saying I'm not throwing shade at my brother Andy.
What I'm saying, because Andy is me and Andy a are part of the same collective Andy.
Andy and I know that he knows nothing but love.
But that point that he made, though, is this.
Say, if he if he had asked that question to to Nick G, then he probably get a different answer if he had asked.
You know, um Sim and nothing but Nick's or Guillermo at leading the Knicks podcast or chef Isaiah, then he's probably gonna get a different answer with me.
He knows he knows questions like that.
I feel like I'm back into a into a corner after fight my way out.
When he had questions like that, I feel like I'm in a barroom brawl, You know what I mean? So, um and and not against him.
But what I'm saying is I'm talking about as a representative of of the next media.
Did I just say that? Representative of the next media? What? Uncle Frese? Uh, wow.
All right, let me slow down.
Let me slow down on that.
Let me just say as a as a Knicks fan, I'll say that when when I see stuff like that, I feel like, you know, our franchise needs to bear down, knuckle up and be the change not ask for.
Don't ask for the change.
We need to be the change if we don't want the Lakers to be the champ.
What beat the Lakers? If the Knicks beat the Lakers in the championship, the Lakers won't be the champs.
I know that sounds.
That sounds petty. Like, Hey, Uncle Freezing.
How How would a lowly Nick's gonna beat the Lakers in the finals? What I'm saying is is if you wanted that desperately, then you find a way to make your team better and and to win those chips.
So, um, I don't know how I feel about a 10 week offseason.
I just don't know how I feel about that.
That doesn't really give us time to prepare for anything.
Um, I know the MBA wants to ensure that they get back on a regular eh? NBA schedule at some point.
Um, I just don't know how we get there.
Right, Right. Exactly. Andy.
Hey, I just wanted to jump on for a few minutes.
I'm gonna be on tonight.
Probably about 11.
I want to see everybody here back on.
Except for Andy and Andy.
You need to get some sleep.
Eso I'll be on I'll be on tonight at some point.
Probably about 11.
30 ish, um, so that I can get on chop it up a little bit, you know, talk about, um, more draft prospects.
And a Hey, listen, I want to jump onto man, but I'll be at work, bro.
I hit the clock at three.
I hit the clock at three o'clock, and I don't get off until Ah, I'm leaving.
How about I'm leaving at 11.
It's Friday, man.
So I'm gonna just leave at 11.
So, um, I hate I'm missing coach's corner because I think you're doing Kevin Knox, right? Are you all doing Kevin Knox? Oh, you're not doing Kevin Knox.
Are you doing R.
J. Barrett? I bet you they're gonna do R.
J. Barrett, and I'm not gonna be there.
Thank you all. Make me sick sometimes. Man.
I wanted to be there for the r J.
Barrett one or you need more time on Knox.
A knocks needs more time to.
All right, Well, hey, y'all.
I'm gonna get I'm gonna get out of here.
We had our you had RJ.
I didn't see it.
So anyway, let me do the shout out one more time So shout out to send Russell nothing but Nixon The front stoop.
Um, shout out to Andy Shout out to, um, uh gmo on leading the next podcast.
Shout out to, um, Chef Isaiah Nick, kiss hero um g and shout out to the chat man, I appreciate you all coming through and and following Uncle Free Z man, y'all are crazy.
Man, y'all are nuts.
A lot of y'all come through and watch these episodes from from start to finish.
And we need the 24 so we can interchange.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andy, that's something we need to talk about.
We'll get on the telephone about that.
We'll get on the phone about that or get on discord like he like he said, like you mentioned before.
Um um, so that we can so that we could give the people what they want, So All right, you're a piece to the chat man.
I appreciate you all coming through.
I'll holla y'all about 11.
He's Hey, go watch Coach's corner.
Oh, you go watch Coach's corner on on.
Nothing but next.
Um it'll be Andy and Sim.
Hey, Andy tells him to shout me out of his show.
He don't do that.