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00:00:24
right, and it is the O.
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G.
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P.
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Friday show with me, Adam.
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Are Brecht and him healthy, wealthy and wise? Mr Andrew Mackiewicz.
00:00:35
Well, im healthy, but I don't know if all the Giants are Adam.
00:00:40
That's a fair as a fair statement to make buddy we Azzawi on the Friday it did been looking ahead, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you like to spend your weekends, we won't have our actual game coverage around the Tampa Bay Buccaneers until Monday morning show, because obviously they'll be taking on those Tom Brady led bucks, Uh, on Monday night.
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So we're excited to see a Monday Night Football game and hopefully see if the Giants have some little magic in them as they officially will hit their midway point of the season.
00:01:07
And we'll start to think about what we've seen to this point.
00:01:10
But on the health front, unfortunately, one Mr Will Hernandez tested positive for Cove in 19.
00:01:19
Obviously, this came just a couple days ago, and then he's immediately removed from practice and put into isolation.
00:01:25
All of the other offensive linemen as well as Devante Freeman also gets taken off the field for the new York football giants and a couple of coaches linebacker coach as well as I believe, another defensive coach, actually, because of just the close quarters in which they were contacted, Um, initial take on the unfortunate news that Will Hernandez will, of course potentially miss up to two weeks but definitely is going to make Monday X.
00:01:50
Yeah, you know, this is just thestreet of the NFL in the state of the United States that we live in.
00:01:57
People are going to end up testing positive, especially if they're going to be out at practice, is doing different things.
00:02:03
It's unfortunate for for Hernandez, uh, you know, first and foremost for his health, we hope, um, that he's not he's asymptomatic.
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And this is, you know, all of that kind of takes care of itself over the next couple of weeks.
00:02:16
Um, and then you kind of turn and you think about for the Giants what that means.
00:02:20
You know, our offensive line has been a work in progress for quite a while, and, um, this situation may lend itself for us to actually see Shane Lamu playing guard, as opposed to maybe playing fullback like he has been the last teams.
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That is correct.
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So when you when you look inside the depth chart, obviously beyond Will Hernandez, you have Zettler starting at right guard and then it's Shane Lamu.
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That's the Onley other guard listed on the roster for the New York football giants.
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So, as has been reported, he's going to step in at that left guard position come Monday.
00:02:52
And the reason why we're referencing in the way of come Monday morning is because in terms of roster impact and what's gone on here, a couple of moves have happened.
00:03:00
But the big breaking news this morning that was reported over there on the old Twittersphere is that with the exception of Will Hernandez, all nine of the Giants close contact players, which are, of course, anyone who were considered to be within close contact within, probably sitting next to in the film room on the field, working in practice toe Will Hernandez and the coaches were isolated in quarantine yesterday, tested negative on Thursday and are expected to back out there on the practice field and in the Giants facility today Friday.
00:03:28
So that means that in terms of the impact of this, this is more akin to a couple of little pop ups that we've seen like Cam Newton for New England.
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They also had Gilmore, but those were isolated one player incidents.
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That's what the Giants are dealing with.
00:03:41
So the good news is all the other players were in the clear from this, and they'll be ready to go ahead and continue practicing today and tomorrow and preparing for Monday's game.
00:03:51
The curious question that the people have had Andy is was the Will Hernandez incident.
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Was his positive cove it test at all related to Daniel Jones and his big night out on the town with, say, Kwan, Barkley, Sterling Shepard and a couple of other players potentially will.
00:04:08
So the reports that have come out have suggested that Will Hernandez was not part of the group that was out on Friday night, seen in photos massless and, uh, from what I'm hearing and what's been reported.
00:04:22
Uh, the team went out, you know, a handful of players from the team went out to dinner and then after dinner, um, there was a bar that was close to the public that they opened up the back room for kind of a private get together with a handful of players.
00:04:36
Uh, Daniel Jones says that he had a mask in his pocket.
00:04:40
Needs to be making better decisions about when to be wearing the man.
00:04:44
Okay, Um but overall, Joe judge said everything handled internally.
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And, uh I mean, what is there to say? We we know that it was irresponsible to be out and about not wearing a mask, But at this point, Daniel Jones kind of gave the answer of we're handling it internally.
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We've had conversations about it.
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It's time to move on and focus on the books.
00:05:03
Yeah, I just you know, the quick surface level thing is that yes, you were, you know, out publicly also, it was all private areas that you were actually in and again just be smarter about it, right? That the visual, the optics, as so many NFL teams want to use those terms off.
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Hey, if you just have the mask on, then you totally mitigate any of these concerns.
00:05:22
And I think you know, the initial thing probably is too is just And this actually is totally fine by by my standards of going out and getting dinner or you know having a meal with some of your teammates, but the optics off, it's a bad season.
00:05:34
Everyone struggling, right, and then you're out there having a dinner in a good time.
00:05:38
I think that's always the separation from, you know, football players and the people.
00:05:42
Remember, these are young, these young guys living in New York City.
00:05:45
It is strange times right now, but the opportunity to get out and quote blow off a little bit of steam.
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I don't think that's something that you ever need to be denying players or telling them.
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Listen, your role is to be on the field and then inside your own house and never shall you cross the threshold.
00:05:59
And still during the pandemic during these times, you got to be at least smarter in the way you present yourself out there, including sequel Barkley, who is having a little tool on the bicycle.
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He officially goes in, by the way, for his surgery today.
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Today was the date for that surgery toe happen, so maybe it was also a last little hurrah.
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Forsake want Barkley before he's gonna find himself really laid up following that surgery.
00:06:20
Well, and let's just keep in mind that the Giants had already played their game for the week, right? So like they played on Thursday, it's not like they're out partying and damage was to be hung over for a Sunday early game he had already played.
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You know, I'll be in a crippling loss, but, uh, to me, you know, there's a lot of other stories that I heard people getting upset that take one.
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Yeah, I found out that.
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Take one.
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Barkley wasn't having his surgery yet.
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They're like, What is what is he doing? What does that mean? Essentially, it sounds like the people that were performing the surgery.
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We're also covering the L A.
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Dodgers in the world Siri's.
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So they had to wait until that ended.
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Then they had to schedule did get everybody into the right spot.
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So, to me, you know, disappointing to see them with without a mask.
00:07:04
I think we need a little bit of context as to where they were and why and what.
00:07:08
And I think we got that and to me, you know, the only reason why this is noteworthy is because Will Hernandez ended up testing positive and was put on the covert reserve list.
00:07:17
Yeah, and listen.
00:07:18
And he was not a part of that outing, by the way.
00:07:20
So this is a completely unrelated thing.
00:07:22
And also, it's just unfortunate that it all seems toe happen within a relatively close timeframe.
00:07:27
Back over on the roster side of things the Giants did bring in Kenny Wiggins, 10 year veteran guard of the NFL, originally drafted by the Baltimore Ravens.
00:07:35
No indications that necessarily going to sign him.
00:07:37
Remember, with Cove in 19 the on boarding process does also delay it.
00:07:41
He wouldn't be available for Monday's game anyway, but the Giants, I think they're just doing their due diligence because potentially will.
00:07:48
Hernandez could miss that second week, and then you'd wanna have somebody ready to go there so that you have depth in the short term, will probably have to look to the practice squad and internally to make sure they just have that depth in case they were to suffer an injury.
00:08:01
What do you have in that regard from some of those moves they're making across the roster? Yeah, so what I think they'll end up doing is bringing back in Chad.
00:08:10
Slate.
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He's on our practice squad 28 years old.
00:08:13
Uh, plays plays Gardas.
00:08:15
Well, you know, knowing that Hernandez is gonna go out and knowing Shane, let me was the only other guard on the active roster.
00:08:22
We clearly need to be able to make a move and promote somebody from the practice squad.
00:08:26
And what's funny is you can, you know, as you mentioned at him this this year, so much different because you can't just pluck ah, veteran free agent off the waiver wire and plug him into the game on Monday because of all the cove it protocols.
00:08:38
So it has to be someone that is already in the building that has already tested negative that that doesn't have to go through all these protocols.
00:08:45
The most likely person and familiarity with the team is chat Slade.
00:08:49
Yeah, and it makes sense.
00:08:50
And also, it also makes practical because you don't worry about any of those protocols getting them in the building, right? You say Hey, come on up. You're gonna play.
00:08:57
We're going to go.
00:08:58
Ah, quick tip of the hat. I will say it was We almost forgot.
00:09:00
Toe, take a brief look at this and that is going to be the Thursday night football game, which had the Falcons beating the Panthers last night.
00:09:09
When you look around the league and you talk about teams that are competing for high draft picks, Atlanta Falcons are in that boat with us.
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They are one of those teams that actually felt a little bit further down in spite being just a one win team going to last night's game.
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They still sat there at six or so, but they get a win.
00:09:24
This, at the very least, is a positive for the Giants because it keeps us closer to the upper tier of the draft class there.
00:09:31
Did you see anything? Or do you think because we talked about this on SportsCastr news last night in the pregame with Ray Route? Who, ah, shoutout racy in the box? They're watching us on SportsCastr that the Atlanta Falcons should be sellers, right? Julio Jones should be on the market.
00:09:46
He's 31 years old, veteran wide receiver.
00:09:50
What do you think about that from a hold or fold standpoint when you look around the league in general, and then when we're talking about the New York football giants were going to get into a little bit of this Giants wide receiver corps in search of upgrades, and some of the I'm gonna call them rumors that were out there, even though they are about as valid as a ah blade of grass at this point.
00:10:11
So it's it's interesting when you listen to former players, they say you'd have to be crazy to trade Julio Jones. He's the best.
00:10:19
You know.
00:10:20
He's. If he's not the best wide receiver in the league, he's top three.
00:10:22
You'd be crazy to try to ship off 12 year veteran Matt Ryan like, How could you do this? And the answer is you can't just look at their skill in a vacuum.
00:10:32
And make that your Onley decision criteria of whether to keep these players.
00:10:36
They are valuable assets that, if you know you are not going to be competing over the next 12 18 24 months that you start to rebuild now and and the reason why it's important to put context around it is going into next season.
00:10:50
The Falcons air early, almost 25 million over the cap.
00:10:54
So when you think about like okay, they have some of these really good pieces.
00:10:58
All they need to do is get ah bunch of players on defense or they need to get Ex Player.
00:11:03
They don't even have the cap space and and flexibility to be able to make those moves.
00:11:07
So while I don't think that they necessarily will trade them, I think that you at least have to take a look and think about that, knowing that this team is good enough to probably win five games to four or five games.
00:11:21
You know, the Falcons.
00:11:22
So that puts you at what, The ninth pick in the draft.
00:11:25
Like you just kind of redoing the same thing over and over where you get the ninth draft, pick your over the cap you can't spend on free agency.
00:11:33
Where to? The Falcons go from here? Yeah, and one of the things that we talked about over there last thing was that idea of Yeah, you may want to move on from some of these guys, but it's not an insignificant price tag.
00:11:44
So we throughout your these handful of teams that air ready to compete we actually got into the point of Julio Jones to Miami might be really exciting.
00:11:50
Thought about? How could that hurt or help a young quarterback? Because we know how some quarterbacks get tunnel visions around the's big number one targets.
00:11:58
And then ultimately those about yeah, and you still gotta find someone to take that money right in the dead cat pit that comes in there.
00:12:03
So unfortunately for Atlanta, now listen.
00:12:05
They won that game last night, which was pretty impressive.
00:12:08
Rainy game, wet game made, I think a little bit more competitive than it could have been.
00:12:12
Teddy Bridgewater gets a little bit dinged up, and then you see Calvin really go down to that one as well.
00:12:16
Which means Atlanta even less likely to maybe move on from Julio Jones if they were ever going to. Anyway.
00:12:22
You see the bottom of the screen towards the end of the game.
00:12:25
You see the Falcons chance of winning at one point was 97% and and everyone watching was like, uh, here we go again, like they've already lost three games where they had over 95% chance to win.
00:12:36
You kind of had that feeling that all of a sudden they were gonna march down the field, tie up the game, and it was just gonna be the Falcons doing it to themselves all over again Somehow.
00:12:43
Ah, three point conversion play for the Panthers.
00:12:45
Because that's the way things go When the Falcons play, they go, you know? You know what? Give me an extra one. We don't even care.
00:12:50
Yeah, Listen, if that's what you think, it's always gonna come down.
00:12:52
Thio.
00:12:53
So the fact that the fact that the defense gotten interception right, the fact that they look like they actually showed a little something there.
00:12:57
So a tip of the cap over there to Thursday Night Football.
00:13:00
And so wide receivers in general.
00:13:01
So because when we talk about this Giants wide receiver corps in search of upgrades there waas A.
00:13:07
I'm gonna call it a story Jordan Renan had had on on a podcast episode of his own.
00:13:12
We just talked about Along the way, the Giants had reached out to the Detroit Lions and asked about the availability of Kenny Golladay.
00:13:20
That's essentially it didn't go anywhere.
00:13:23
There wasn't anything deeper in that conversation.
00:13:25
It never got close to talking about assets.
00:13:27
And what's it going to take him? What does that look like? Twittersphere runs wild with this and says Giants are trying to bring in Kenny Golladay.
00:13:34
Trade speculations, rumors.
00:13:35
What's it gonna take? How are they going to get it done? It's not happening.
00:13:38
Just to be clear, this is a non story.
00:13:41
But the story of this is that the Giants are looking at the wide receiver room and saying, We understand we need to upgrade this this this group, whether it's in season or in the off season and through the draft, we have to improve this Golden Tate isn't going to be back here.
00:13:57
Maybe Evan Ingram won't be back here, whether it's now or in the off season.
00:14:01
So we have to find a way to improve this group.
00:14:03
They made the poor choice of not pursuing Chase Claypool, my boy in the draft, and now they find themselves basically saying, Hey, we have a injury concerned Sterling Shepard.
00:14:12
We liked area Slaten, and that's essentially what we're looking at when we talk about reliable options there.
00:14:17
What's your take away from this? Where do you see the Giants going? Well, it would be, I mean, think about how much bigger the story would be if you said the New York football Giants have no interest in Kenny Golladay, who is 26 years old, back to back 1000 yard receiving seasons going into his prime.
00:14:39
Like if it's a Giants were, like, wait type of player, right? Like, No, no way are We are good like we we have our wide receiving corps figured out I'd be like, What are we doing? So the fact that the Giants are calling around this is the type of phone call I expect them to make you call in because you know, the other context context behind all of this is that Golladay hasn't been able to work out a contract extension with lines.
00:15:03
And he keeps saying, Hey, look, guys, the price keeps going up and up The longer you wait, you look at the DAK Prescott situation in Dallas.
00:15:10
This this remains to be true.
00:15:11
If they continue Thio produce, which Golladay has, So you think about it.
00:15:16
He's going to be a free agent at the end of the year.
00:15:18
Franchise tag, probably, but he's looking for a longer term deal.
00:15:21
If if the Lions don't think that he's the answer long term, why not? Why don't.
00:15:25
Why not make the phone call? Why not say, Can we put together a package of maybe guys that are, you know, something like a Golden Tate and Evan Ingram for Kenny Golladay? Like, I don't know If they say yes, that that improves our team.
00:15:37
We want we want golden tape back.
00:15:39
Why wouldn't the Giants do it? But I think to your point, it speaks more that the Giants are really searching for a complimentary piece or a number one or one A to be alongside various Leighton in the long term and ultimately help out Daniel Jones.
00:15:53
Know for sure, And you know we'll touch on something else briefly here that Ray Ralph just brought up in our chat.
00:15:59
And that's that the New England Patriots, who obviously have a very nice relationship between Belichick and the Giants Joe, judge all these connections, overlapping that if they can win this game this upcoming weekend, they may look to reach out to the Giants and try to bring in Golden Tate Edelman dealing with an injury over there, so he's gonna be sidelined as well.
00:16:16
So if that's a team that comes knocking because they were within this wide receiver sphere.
00:16:22
What do you need for golden take? Because, I mean, I have my my floor, I'll call it and it's pretty much the ba*****t.
00:16:28
You know, I'm gonna take almost anything to get gold date over here.
00:16:30
I know that he has now showcase some of those still has those skill sets, right? Had the nice touchdown pass this past weekend, but our past Thursday night Excuse me, but I don't Anything I can get for him right now is mawr value that I'm gonna have going to the off season in the draft.
00:16:46
I I feel more than comfortable, and I almost feel like maybe we get the best value out of New England because Bill Belichick is always been of the mind set.
00:16:55
I like to move assets around.
00:16:57
I'm also really good at recouping my draft assets, so I'm not gonna be over concerned if the Giant said Hey, I mean, listen, I still think like fifth is probably as high as it goes.
00:17:06
I don't see any world where the Giants are standing firm on 1/4 round pick for Golden Tate.
00:17:12
Well, it's interesting because another suitor that I've heard is the Green Bay Packers as well that they've been kind of shifting their focus towards full fuller of the Texans.
00:17:21
But it makes a ton of sense to put Golden Tate in the slot with Davante Adams and give Aaron Rodgers an additional weapon.
00:17:27
They've already been depleted at the wide receiver position, so that's another logical place that you could go.
00:17:33
I think you're right at him.
00:17:34
I think 1/5 round pick probably makes the most sense for Golden Tate.
00:17:36
He's an older veteran, but he can bring something if we could get anything mawr than than 1/5 round pick.
00:17:42
If we get a third round pick for Golden tape because the team is that desperate, I know that you would.
00:17:48
You would struggle, hitting accept on that on that trade or being able to put the paperwork in.
00:17:52
But, well, I would struggle.
00:17:54
I would struggle to see how long that GM or whoever is making that move for another team would be able to keep their job.
00:18:00
If they said we're sending a third round pick over, I just there's there's not a world where a team is going to give up that kind of value for that as it especially if you have someone like Will Fuller possibly being, you know, tantalized out there on the market.
00:18:13
He's younger, He's more dynamic, you know, if you want to get into a bidding war potentially around it.
00:18:17
Now listen, it does happen, whereas you get to the trade deadline and there's the scarcity of options, right? And there's a there's multiple teams looking to bring in a weapon. I get that.
00:18:27
But again, age also plays a factor in the contract.
00:18:31
So plays a factor because you will be on the hook for what is his next here's price tag, you know, So there's a couple of little details there around Golden State.
00:18:38
Specifically, I don't even know what what will.
00:18:40
Fuller's contract looks like there, but hey, listen, you take the calls.
00:18:44
That's the bottom line.
00:18:45
If you're Dave Gettleman, you're taking these calls and you are picking an offer.
00:18:48
If you are getting calls on Golden Tate, you are picking one of the offers and you are trading Golden Tate.
00:18:54
I better not hear next week that they had offers, and Dave Gettleman decided to stand pat.
00:19:00
That's what I can't hear about Adam the the one thing I will say is, I think you might be surprised at what other teams think of Golden Tate and what his value is in a playoff run.
00:19:11
Let's just keep in mind you mentioned the New England Patriots.
00:19:14
What did they do with the deadline last year? They went ahead and they traded for Mohammed Sunu.
00:19:18
I believe it was a third round pick that they ended up giving up to get Mohammad Sanu.
00:19:23
Mohammad Sanu is 31 years old, so he's I mean, he's not that much different than what Golden Tate is.
00:19:28
And if there's a team that's gonna be successful drafting at the back half of the round anyway, and they give up a late third round pick, you know if if they think Golden Tate's gonna be the thing that helps their offense like, why wouldn't the Packers do it? I think for them it's a no brainer and for us in a rebuild, knowing that we don't really have that much dead money on the capital of golden tape like I would love to see that deal happen.
00:19:50
Yeah, it's interesting.
00:19:51
I mean, listen to new, you go back last year with the Patriots.
00:19:54
He ended up having that season 2019 59 catches, 520 yards, two touchdowns.
00:20:00
You know, big drop off in terms of its production the year prior with Atlanta, where he spent three seasons, 66 for 8 38.
00:20:08
So you know that that identifying and four touchdowns in that season as well what the New England Patriots identified in him in terms of the value coming off of a productive season in Atlanta, you probably say, Hey, he can fit in here.
00:20:20
He could still do it for us.
00:20:21
What I want to take a quick look at it in here is when you think about Golden Tate.
00:20:25
Obviously, we know he's missed some games due to injury, etcetera.
00:20:28
But when we go back to last year, suspended for four games, okay, that's fine.
00:20:34
But you're still talking about a guy that what came up with 49 for 6 76? That's not bad, right? Not bad. And six touchdowns.
00:20:40
The touchdown number is probably the biggest needle mover.
00:20:43
If you're talking about getting value for him, it's that here's a veteran that understands how to execute in the red zone.
00:20:49
And if you have Cam Newton in New England, here's a high value guy that you can rely on as they're relatively surrounded by young players.
00:20:56
McKeel Harry, who they like but hasn't quite been able to find consistency for himself, either.
00:21:00
So listen, it's possible.
00:21:02
And by the way, I don't great.
00:21:04
Great.
00:21:05
Send me a third round pick.
00:21:06
I'm not gonna I'm not here to stop you, but if it's 1/4 round pick, I'm perfectly happy with that.
00:21:10
If it's 1/5 round pick, I'm still happy to move Golden Tate.
00:21:13
So the bottom line is we are open for business.
00:21:15
And as I know read Ralph will go ahead and get Bill Belichick on the line.
00:21:18
He has the inside track there.
00:21:20
They talked to him frequently on the day to day basis.
00:21:22
Our our really so he'll go ahead and line that up for us and move them on. But I do. I do.
00:21:26
I do want to see that if there is interest around the league for golden tape, he needs to be moved prior to the deadline and I and and if that means that maybe we'll get an education by him being held out on Monday night.
00:21:36
If you don't see him on Monday night, it means the deal is done and he's going out the door.
00:21:39
It, you know it's going back to Mohammed's to new.
00:21:42
I think it's, Ah, good, uh, correlation, because how crazy is it that he's not even on a team anymore? He went from being a third round pick missing piece to potential championship run to not even being on an active roster halfway through the season the following year.
00:21:56
It's incredible that well, hey, actually, it's just a no.
00:22:02
He was just having a conversation about this, about the impact of it on his career off, like being in this mode of constantly turning over and transitioning from different rosters, playing with different quarterbacks.
00:22:13
And e don't know if this feed, it doesn't really feed into Golden take the same way because he had a nice, long run there in Detroit as well.
00:22:19
But it is difficult as you get older as a receiver in the league to go to new systems, go to new quarterbacks, still show production so that you still have value.
00:22:29
So you know, listen, as we know, is you get over 30.
00:22:31
The production does diminish for wide receivers, but it's a lot more difficult when you're bouncing around the league as opposed to saying, Hey, great example is Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona? Right? Because he stayed there and he's slowly drifted down that totem pole they brought in Nuke, and you get that, too, But he's been able to stay consistent.
00:22:48
In this year, You've seen the biggest drop of his career, but over the last handful of years, he's still been a consistent, productive player because he knows what he is and he accepts what he is.
00:22:57
And he transitions into that new role where some of these other guys, you're not sure.
00:23:01
Hey, do we want him as a number one right now? Is he a consistent number two? We wanna up in the slot.
00:23:05
Do we want him on the outside? And Golden? Tate even went through that with a Giant when he first came in.
00:23:09
One cautionary tale.
00:23:10
I will say I know that you're ready to jettison Golden Tate for a bag of football's, but I do think knowing that our wide receiving corps is so thin, we do want to get some of these younger guys experience, but I will caution and say I do worry a little bit about, you know, a position where we're already very thin, trading off someone like Golden Tate and giving Daniel Jones less to work with.
00:23:32
We just talked about us enquiring about someone like Kenny Golladay for the long term, which would be amazing.
00:23:36
You know, short term evaluation of Daniel Jones to the last eight games this season.
00:23:40
You know, if you take him off the board and you have C J board who's still in the concussion protocol, then you're only down to a couple of healthy guys on the active roster.
00:23:48
Yeah, I mean, listen, that's fair.
00:23:50
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna knock that, but there's going to be free agents out there in the off season now in season right now in the development of Daniel Jones that that is a concern.
00:24:00
You have to at least hope that Sterling Shepard could be healthy going forward.
00:24:05
That that, you know, that's number one.
00:24:06
He plays out the rest of the season healthy Darius Layton, dealing with a little bit of a nagging injury, but looks like he's gonna be okay.
00:24:12
And then if you're moving golden tape, I also think by on occasion we talked about this previously holding onto an Ingram through this season and then assessing the marked afterwards.
00:24:21
So you're gonna have Evan Ingram for as inconsistent as maybe you still have that weapon there as well.
00:24:25
You brought back in Coleman to this roster.
00:24:28
You have these younger, by the way, get Benjamin Victor up under the roster.
00:24:31
You know, you have Austin back in, like, get the young guys up there.
00:24:34
And even though it's gonna growing pains, you can always get inside the numbers and understand about Daniel Jones through X number of interceptions over the last nine games.
00:24:42
Yes, but how many of those were on young rookie receivers running the poor rats, etcetera.
00:24:46
So you're still gonna be able to dissect Daniel Jones and see if he's improving or not.
00:24:49
And by the way, just as importantly, let's find out if if Mac, let's find out if Victor let's find out if these guys can contributors this year now so that we know what it means for us in the draft. In the off season.
00:25:00
If we have to go to the office, start grabbing free agent wide receivers or spending a second or third round pick on a wide receiver because we feel like we need that guy.
00:25:08
And then it turns out maybe we have some of these gems on the roster that could be contributors for us.
00:25:12
Yeah, I do agree that we need to be developing this young talent.
00:25:15
And as we said before, I'm fine with the The idea of trading Golden Tate.
00:25:19
I do think that it's there is some cautionary tales of trading them away if you're still on the fence of whether Daniel Jones is going to be the future for you or not, by the way, Sorry, Uh, that was a second round pick that the New England Patriots gave up from Mohammed Sunu because I remember going back to it because when you said it, I thought, Yeah, third round pick, I guess.
00:25:38
Whatever.
00:25:39
But remember it being a very big pop in my mind when they made that trade for a 30 year old, you know, veteran contributor wide receiver and a pretty high powered, widespread open offense in Atlanta, where you feel like probably your production is inflated a little bit more than what it truly is.
00:25:56
So they gave up a second round pick for him last year.
00:25:59
So here's the problem.
00:26:01
It means that there is a history of this, that they could give up a high pick.
00:26:05
And also, they may have just recently learned a lesson around that that would scare them off from doing it.
00:26:10
But it doesn't mean I go let second round.
00:26:12
Don't be crazy, Bill.
00:26:13
A three will do it.
00:26:14
Well, I know I'm doing you a favor, buddy.
00:26:17
Third round pick.
00:26:18
We're all good here.
00:26:19
So, listen, maybe the three could be on the table.
00:26:21
We just don't know.
00:26:22
It's unbelievable, Adam.
00:26:24
You would.
00:26:25
How fast could you sprint for a second round pick for golden tape for the future? Oh, good Lord.
00:26:29
Yeah.
00:26:30
Listen, good lord.
00:26:31
I mean, I I would I would run.
00:26:33
And obviously being ineffective in terms of getting there quickly, I would run to Boston.
00:26:38
I would run to New England to get the pick.
00:26:40
I know it's not a physical item that you pick up, and then you transition over later, but I would literally do a wind sprint up there to get that pick for Golden Tate, who, by the way again, whatever the value ends up being, he will help Cam Newton like if you're a New England, he will help you.
00:26:54
That will be a significant upgrade.
00:26:56
And losing Edelman Bringing Golden Tate will be a significant upgrade for your wide receiver records in terms off veteran gets it going to be where you need me to be going to score touchdowns for you.
00:27:06
So wait, Adam, are you saying you would be the uber driver for Golden Tate if he needed? If he needed a ride, All the way up to Boston is that we're saying for a second round way into the personal side of it, where I've seen, I've seen his wife on the social media post. He has lovely Children.
00:27:20
You know, I would lovingly like a gentleman shove all of his personal effects, clean out of the locker room into a duffel bag.
00:27:30
He has his own suitcases.
00:27:31
They have matching luggage.
00:27:33
I'm putting him in in that old bag like Tommy boy coming off the plane, and I just hop into my uber driver.
00:27:39
Sure, I put him in the Honda.
00:27:40
We shoot up by 95.
00:27:42
And it's bon voyage, sir.
00:27:44
Thanks for the PIC.
00:27:45
So, yeah, listen, my mind is open and as is my draft board, well, as we start thinking about looking towards Monday and not Sunday, a final footnote for anyone, that's thinking, Let's let's give it an extra day.
00:28:00
You know, we saw the Titans game be moved to a Tuesday.
00:28:03
It's not in the cards for the Buccaneers vs Giants game because the NFL has given everyone off on Tuesday four Election Day to go out and vote.
00:28:11
They refused to have everybody play on Tuesday, so it's either the Giants play on Monday night against the Buccaneers or they don't play the game at all.
00:28:18
That's interesting.
00:28:19
I wonder if the I wonder if the Wednesday night is now becoming a part of the NFL schedule of Wednesday.
00:28:24
I'm dead for football every single day.
00:28:27
So you wanna you wanna play the Giants game on Wednesday? You wanna have a nice Friday night matchup? You know, next week I'm all for it.
00:28:33
The medicine.
00:28:34
We will keep our eye on any of the news and notes, but for all intents and purposes, one player out for the Giants, the game will go on.
00:28:40
We'll be back in on Monday, breaking down the Tampa Bay roster, breaking down Theirry, Lucid and uh, ever young Tom Brady, who continues to really look sharp there with 18 touchdowns so far on the young season.
00:28:51
Until then, we give a big shout out there over on SportsCastr, thanks to Ray Ralph for checking in d p n Ray, check him out, covering the New England Patriots as they prepare to try to get that won't come and request the services of one Golden Tate from us.
00:29:05
We've triggered him, Andy.
00:29:06
He's not happy with what we've done here today.
00:29:08
But the bottom line is you can follow us on social media at one giant podcast.
00:29:12
Use hashtag o g p on So SportsCastr for all of our live streams and the podcast episodes until Monday.
00:29:19
Friend, tell the people what you want them to need.
00:29:22
No demanding it.
00:29:23
Searching for it, requesting it.
00:29:25
How did I mess up one of our easiest standard operations of exiting? Tell them, Andy, as always.
00:29:32
Let's go! Big Blue Bang
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One Giant Podcast w/ Adam Armbrecht & Andy Mackiewicz Podcast

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right, and it is the O.
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G.
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P.
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Friday show with me, Adam.
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Are Brecht and him healthy, wealthy and wise? Mr Andrew Mackiewicz.
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Well, im healthy, but I don't know if all the Giants are Adam.
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That's a fair as a fair statement to make buddy we Azzawi on the Friday it did been looking ahead, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you like to spend your weekends, we won't have our actual game coverage around the Tampa Bay Buccaneers until Monday morning show, because obviously they'll be taking on those Tom Brady led bucks, Uh, on Monday night.
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So we're excited to see a Monday Night Football game and hopefully see if the Giants have some little magic in them as they officially will hit their midway point of the season.
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And we'll start to think about what we've seen to this point.
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But on the health front, unfortunately, one Mr Will Hernandez tested positive for Cove in 19.
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Obviously, this came just a couple days ago, and then he's immediately removed from practice and put into isolation.
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All of the other offensive linemen as well as Devante Freeman also gets taken off the field for the new York football giants and a couple of coaches linebacker coach as well as I believe, another defensive coach, actually, because of just the close quarters in which they were contacted, Um, initial take on the unfortunate news that Will Hernandez will, of course potentially miss up to two weeks but definitely is going to make Monday X.
00:01:50
Yeah, you know, this is just thestreet of the NFL in the state of the United States that we live in.
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People are going to end up testing positive, especially if they're going to be out at practice, is doing different things.
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It's unfortunate for for Hernandez, uh, you know, first and foremost for his health, we hope, um, that he's not he's asymptomatic.
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And this is, you know, all of that kind of takes care of itself over the next couple of weeks.
00:02:16
Um, and then you kind of turn and you think about for the Giants what that means.
00:02:20
You know, our offensive line has been a work in progress for quite a while, and, um, this situation may lend itself for us to actually see Shane Lamu playing guard, as opposed to maybe playing fullback like he has been the last teams.
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That is correct.
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So when you when you look inside the depth chart, obviously beyond Will Hernandez, you have Zettler starting at right guard and then it's Shane Lamu.
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That's the Onley other guard listed on the roster for the New York football giants.
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So, as has been reported, he's going to step in at that left guard position come Monday.
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And the reason why we're referencing in the way of come Monday morning is because in terms of roster impact and what's gone on here, a couple of moves have happened.
00:03:00
But the big breaking news this morning that was reported over there on the old Twittersphere is that with the exception of Will Hernandez, all nine of the Giants close contact players, which are, of course, anyone who were considered to be within close contact within, probably sitting next to in the film room on the field, working in practice toe Will Hernandez and the coaches were isolated in quarantine yesterday, tested negative on Thursday and are expected to back out there on the practice field and in the Giants facility today Friday.
00:03:28
So that means that in terms of the impact of this, this is more akin to a couple of little pop ups that we've seen like Cam Newton for New England.
00:03:36
They also had Gilmore, but those were isolated one player incidents.
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That's what the Giants are dealing with.
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So the good news is all the other players were in the clear from this, and they'll be ready to go ahead and continue practicing today and tomorrow and preparing for Monday's game.
00:03:51
The curious question that the people have had Andy is was the Will Hernandez incident.
00:03:57
Was his positive cove it test at all related to Daniel Jones and his big night out on the town with, say, Kwan, Barkley, Sterling Shepard and a couple of other players potentially will.
00:04:08
So the reports that have come out have suggested that Will Hernandez was not part of the group that was out on Friday night, seen in photos massless and, uh, from what I'm hearing and what's been reported.
00:04:22
Uh, the team went out, you know, a handful of players from the team went out to dinner and then after dinner, um, there was a bar that was close to the public that they opened up the back room for kind of a private get together with a handful of players.
00:04:36
Uh, Daniel Jones says that he had a mask in his pocket.
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Needs to be making better decisions about when to be wearing the man.
00:04:44
Okay, Um but overall, Joe judge said everything handled internally.
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And, uh I mean, what is there to say? We we know that it was irresponsible to be out and about not wearing a mask, But at this point, Daniel Jones kind of gave the answer of we're handling it internally.
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We've had conversations about it.
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It's time to move on and focus on the books.
00:05:03
Yeah, I just you know, the quick surface level thing is that yes, you were, you know, out publicly also, it was all private areas that you were actually in and again just be smarter about it, right? That the visual, the optics, as so many NFL teams want to use those terms off.
00:05:19
Hey, if you just have the mask on, then you totally mitigate any of these concerns.
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And I think you know, the initial thing probably is too is just And this actually is totally fine by by my standards of going out and getting dinner or you know having a meal with some of your teammates, but the optics off, it's a bad season.
00:05:34
Everyone struggling, right, and then you're out there having a dinner in a good time.
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I think that's always the separation from, you know, football players and the people.
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Remember, these are young, these young guys living in New York City.
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It is strange times right now, but the opportunity to get out and quote blow off a little bit of steam.
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I don't think that's something that you ever need to be denying players or telling them.
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Listen, your role is to be on the field and then inside your own house and never shall you cross the threshold.
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And still during the pandemic during these times, you got to be at least smarter in the way you present yourself out there, including sequel Barkley, who is having a little tool on the bicycle.
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He officially goes in, by the way, for his surgery today.
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Today was the date for that surgery toe happen, so maybe it was also a last little hurrah.
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Forsake want Barkley before he's gonna find himself really laid up following that surgery.
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Well, and let's just keep in mind that the Giants had already played their game for the week, right? So like they played on Thursday, it's not like they're out partying and damage was to be hung over for a Sunday early game he had already played.
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You know, I'll be in a crippling loss, but, uh, to me, you know, there's a lot of other stories that I heard people getting upset that take one.
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Yeah, I found out that.
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Take one.
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Barkley wasn't having his surgery yet.
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They're like, What is what is he doing? What does that mean? Essentially, it sounds like the people that were performing the surgery.
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We're also covering the L A.
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Dodgers in the world Siri's.
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So they had to wait until that ended.
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Then they had to schedule did get everybody into the right spot.
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So, to me, you know, disappointing to see them with without a mask.
00:07:04
I think we need a little bit of context as to where they were and why and what.
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And I think we got that and to me, you know, the only reason why this is noteworthy is because Will Hernandez ended up testing positive and was put on the covert reserve list.
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Yeah, and listen.
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And he was not a part of that outing, by the way.
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So this is a completely unrelated thing.
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And also, it's just unfortunate that it all seems toe happen within a relatively close timeframe.
00:07:27
Back over on the roster side of things the Giants did bring in Kenny Wiggins, 10 year veteran guard of the NFL, originally drafted by the Baltimore Ravens.
00:07:35
No indications that necessarily going to sign him.
00:07:37
Remember, with Cove in 19 the on boarding process does also delay it.
00:07:41
He wouldn't be available for Monday's game anyway, but the Giants, I think they're just doing their due diligence because potentially will.
00:07:48
Hernandez could miss that second week, and then you'd wanna have somebody ready to go there so that you have depth in the short term, will probably have to look to the practice squad and internally to make sure they just have that depth in case they were to suffer an injury.
00:08:01
What do you have in that regard from some of those moves they're making across the roster? Yeah, so what I think they'll end up doing is bringing back in Chad.
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Slate.
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He's on our practice squad 28 years old.
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Uh, plays plays Gardas.
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Well, you know, knowing that Hernandez is gonna go out and knowing Shane, let me was the only other guard on the active roster.
00:08:22
We clearly need to be able to make a move and promote somebody from the practice squad.
00:08:26
And what's funny is you can, you know, as you mentioned at him this this year, so much different because you can't just pluck ah, veteran free agent off the waiver wire and plug him into the game on Monday because of all the cove it protocols.
00:08:38
So it has to be someone that is already in the building that has already tested negative that that doesn't have to go through all these protocols.
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The most likely person and familiarity with the team is chat Slade.
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Yeah, and it makes sense.
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And also, it also makes practical because you don't worry about any of those protocols getting them in the building, right? You say Hey, come on up. You're gonna play.
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We're going to go.
00:08:58
Ah, quick tip of the hat. I will say it was We almost forgot.
00:09:00
Toe, take a brief look at this and that is going to be the Thursday night football game, which had the Falcons beating the Panthers last night.
00:09:09
When you look around the league and you talk about teams that are competing for high draft picks, Atlanta Falcons are in that boat with us.
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They are one of those teams that actually felt a little bit further down in spite being just a one win team going to last night's game.
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They still sat there at six or so, but they get a win.
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This, at the very least, is a positive for the Giants because it keeps us closer to the upper tier of the draft class there.
00:09:31
Did you see anything? Or do you think because we talked about this on SportsCastr news last night in the pregame with Ray Route? Who, ah, shoutout racy in the box? They're watching us on SportsCastr that the Atlanta Falcons should be sellers, right? Julio Jones should be on the market.
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He's 31 years old, veteran wide receiver.
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What do you think about that from a hold or fold standpoint when you look around the league in general, and then when we're talking about the New York football giants were going to get into a little bit of this Giants wide receiver corps in search of upgrades, and some of the I'm gonna call them rumors that were out there, even though they are about as valid as a ah blade of grass at this point.
00:10:11
So it's it's interesting when you listen to former players, they say you'd have to be crazy to trade Julio Jones. He's the best.
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You know.
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He's. If he's not the best wide receiver in the league, he's top three.
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You'd be crazy to try to ship off 12 year veteran Matt Ryan like, How could you do this? And the answer is you can't just look at their skill in a vacuum.
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And make that your Onley decision criteria of whether to keep these players.
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They are valuable assets that, if you know you are not going to be competing over the next 12 18 24 months that you start to rebuild now and and the reason why it's important to put context around it is going into next season.
00:10:50
The Falcons air early, almost 25 million over the cap.
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So when you think about like okay, they have some of these really good pieces.
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All they need to do is get ah bunch of players on defense or they need to get Ex Player.
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They don't even have the cap space and and flexibility to be able to make those moves.
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So while I don't think that they necessarily will trade them, I think that you at least have to take a look and think about that, knowing that this team is good enough to probably win five games to four or five games.
00:11:21
You know, the Falcons.
00:11:22
So that puts you at what, The ninth pick in the draft.
00:11:25
Like you just kind of redoing the same thing over and over where you get the ninth draft, pick your over the cap you can't spend on free agency.
00:11:33
Where to? The Falcons go from here? Yeah, and one of the things that we talked about over there last thing was that idea of Yeah, you may want to move on from some of these guys, but it's not an insignificant price tag.
00:11:44
So we throughout your these handful of teams that air ready to compete we actually got into the point of Julio Jones to Miami might be really exciting.
00:11:50
Thought about? How could that hurt or help a young quarterback? Because we know how some quarterbacks get tunnel visions around the's big number one targets.
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And then ultimately those about yeah, and you still gotta find someone to take that money right in the dead cat pit that comes in there.
00:12:03
So unfortunately for Atlanta, now listen.
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They won that game last night, which was pretty impressive.
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Rainy game, wet game made, I think a little bit more competitive than it could have been.
00:12:12
Teddy Bridgewater gets a little bit dinged up, and then you see Calvin really go down to that one as well.
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Which means Atlanta even less likely to maybe move on from Julio Jones if they were ever going to. Anyway.
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You see the bottom of the screen towards the end of the game.
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You see the Falcons chance of winning at one point was 97% and and everyone watching was like, uh, here we go again, like they've already lost three games where they had over 95% chance to win.
00:12:36
You kind of had that feeling that all of a sudden they were gonna march down the field, tie up the game, and it was just gonna be the Falcons doing it to themselves all over again Somehow.
00:12:43
Ah, three point conversion play for the Panthers.
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Because that's the way things go When the Falcons play, they go, you know? You know what? Give me an extra one. We don't even care.
00:12:50
Yeah, Listen, if that's what you think, it's always gonna come down.
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Thio.
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So the fact that the fact that the defense gotten interception right, the fact that they look like they actually showed a little something there.
00:12:57
So a tip of the cap over there to Thursday Night Football.
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And so wide receivers in general.
00:13:01
So because when we talk about this Giants wide receiver corps in search of upgrades there waas A.
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I'm gonna call it a story Jordan Renan had had on on a podcast episode of his own.
00:13:12
We just talked about Along the way, the Giants had reached out to the Detroit Lions and asked about the availability of Kenny Golladay.
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That's essentially it didn't go anywhere.
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There wasn't anything deeper in that conversation.
00:13:25
It never got close to talking about assets.
00:13:27
And what's it going to take him? What does that look like? Twittersphere runs wild with this and says Giants are trying to bring in Kenny Golladay.
00:13:34
Trade speculations, rumors.
00:13:35
What's it gonna take? How are they going to get it done? It's not happening.
00:13:38
Just to be clear, this is a non story.
00:13:41
But the story of this is that the Giants are looking at the wide receiver room and saying, We understand we need to upgrade this this this group, whether it's in season or in the off season and through the draft, we have to improve this Golden Tate isn't going to be back here.
00:13:57
Maybe Evan Ingram won't be back here, whether it's now or in the off season.
00:14:01
So we have to find a way to improve this group.
00:14:03
They made the poor choice of not pursuing Chase Claypool, my boy in the draft, and now they find themselves basically saying, Hey, we have a injury concerned Sterling Shepard.
00:14:12
We liked area Slaten, and that's essentially what we're looking at when we talk about reliable options there.
00:14:17
What's your take away from this? Where do you see the Giants going? Well, it would be, I mean, think about how much bigger the story would be if you said the New York football Giants have no interest in Kenny Golladay, who is 26 years old, back to back 1000 yard receiving seasons going into his prime.
00:14:39
Like if it's a Giants were, like, wait type of player, right? Like, No, no way are We are good like we we have our wide receiving corps figured out I'd be like, What are we doing? So the fact that the Giants are calling around this is the type of phone call I expect them to make you call in because you know, the other context context behind all of this is that Golladay hasn't been able to work out a contract extension with lines.
00:15:03
And he keeps saying, Hey, look, guys, the price keeps going up and up The longer you wait, you look at the DAK Prescott situation in Dallas.
00:15:10
This this remains to be true.
00:15:11
If they continue Thio produce, which Golladay has, So you think about it.
00:15:16
He's going to be a free agent at the end of the year.
00:15:18
Franchise tag, probably, but he's looking for a longer term deal.
00:15:21
If if the Lions don't think that he's the answer long term, why not? Why don't.
00:15:25
Why not make the phone call? Why not say, Can we put together a package of maybe guys that are, you know, something like a Golden Tate and Evan Ingram for Kenny Golladay? Like, I don't know If they say yes, that that improves our team.
00:15:37
We want we want golden tape back.
00:15:39
Why wouldn't the Giants do it? But I think to your point, it speaks more that the Giants are really searching for a complimentary piece or a number one or one A to be alongside various Leighton in the long term and ultimately help out Daniel Jones.
00:15:53
Know for sure, And you know we'll touch on something else briefly here that Ray Ralph just brought up in our chat.
00:15:59
And that's that the New England Patriots, who obviously have a very nice relationship between Belichick and the Giants Joe, judge all these connections, overlapping that if they can win this game this upcoming weekend, they may look to reach out to the Giants and try to bring in Golden Tate Edelman dealing with an injury over there, so he's gonna be sidelined as well.
00:16:16
So if that's a team that comes knocking because they were within this wide receiver sphere.
00:16:22
What do you need for golden take? Because, I mean, I have my my floor, I'll call it and it's pretty much the ba*****t.
00:16:28
You know, I'm gonna take almost anything to get gold date over here.
00:16:30
I know that he has now showcase some of those still has those skill sets, right? Had the nice touchdown pass this past weekend, but our past Thursday night Excuse me, but I don't Anything I can get for him right now is mawr value that I'm gonna have going to the off season in the draft.
00:16:46
I I feel more than comfortable, and I almost feel like maybe we get the best value out of New England because Bill Belichick is always been of the mind set.
00:16:55
I like to move assets around.
00:16:57
I'm also really good at recouping my draft assets, so I'm not gonna be over concerned if the Giant said Hey, I mean, listen, I still think like fifth is probably as high as it goes.
00:17:06
I don't see any world where the Giants are standing firm on 1/4 round pick for Golden Tate.
00:17:12
Well, it's interesting because another suitor that I've heard is the Green Bay Packers as well that they've been kind of shifting their focus towards full fuller of the Texans.
00:17:21
But it makes a ton of sense to put Golden Tate in the slot with Davante Adams and give Aaron Rodgers an additional weapon.
00:17:27
They've already been depleted at the wide receiver position, so that's another logical place that you could go.
00:17:33
I think you're right at him.
00:17:34
I think 1/5 round pick probably makes the most sense for Golden Tate.
00:17:36
He's an older veteran, but he can bring something if we could get anything mawr than than 1/5 round pick.
00:17:42
If we get a third round pick for Golden tape because the team is that desperate, I know that you would.
00:17:48
You would struggle, hitting accept on that on that trade or being able to put the paperwork in.
00:17:52
But, well, I would struggle.
00:17:54
I would struggle to see how long that GM or whoever is making that move for another team would be able to keep their job.
00:18:00
If they said we're sending a third round pick over, I just there's there's not a world where a team is going to give up that kind of value for that as it especially if you have someone like Will Fuller possibly being, you know, tantalized out there on the market.
00:18:13
He's younger, He's more dynamic, you know, if you want to get into a bidding war potentially around it.
00:18:17
Now listen, it does happen, whereas you get to the trade deadline and there's the scarcity of options, right? And there's a there's multiple teams looking to bring in a weapon. I get that.
00:18:27
But again, age also plays a factor in the contract.
00:18:31
So plays a factor because you will be on the hook for what is his next here's price tag, you know, So there's a couple of little details there around Golden State.
00:18:38
Specifically, I don't even know what what will.
00:18:40
Fuller's contract looks like there, but hey, listen, you take the calls.
00:18:44
That's the bottom line.
00:18:45
If you're Dave Gettleman, you're taking these calls and you are picking an offer.
00:18:48
If you are getting calls on Golden Tate, you are picking one of the offers and you are trading Golden Tate.
00:18:54
I better not hear next week that they had offers, and Dave Gettleman decided to stand pat.
00:19:00
That's what I can't hear about Adam the the one thing I will say is, I think you might be surprised at what other teams think of Golden Tate and what his value is in a playoff run.
00:19:11
Let's just keep in mind you mentioned the New England Patriots.
00:19:14
What did they do with the deadline last year? They went ahead and they traded for Mohammed Sunu.
00:19:18
I believe it was a third round pick that they ended up giving up to get Mohammad Sanu.
00:19:23
Mohammad Sanu is 31 years old, so he's I mean, he's not that much different than what Golden Tate is.
00:19:28
And if there's a team that's gonna be successful drafting at the back half of the round anyway, and they give up a late third round pick, you know if if they think Golden Tate's gonna be the thing that helps their offense like, why wouldn't the Packers do it? I think for them it's a no brainer and for us in a rebuild, knowing that we don't really have that much dead money on the capital of golden tape like I would love to see that deal happen.
00:19:50
Yeah, it's interesting.
00:19:51
I mean, listen to new, you go back last year with the Patriots.
00:19:54
He ended up having that season 2019 59 catches, 520 yards, two touchdowns.
00:20:00
You know, big drop off in terms of its production the year prior with Atlanta, where he spent three seasons, 66 for 8 38.
00:20:08
So you know that that identifying and four touchdowns in that season as well what the New England Patriots identified in him in terms of the value coming off of a productive season in Atlanta, you probably say, Hey, he can fit in here.
00:20:20
He could still do it for us.
00:20:21
What I want to take a quick look at it in here is when you think about Golden Tate.
00:20:25
Obviously, we know he's missed some games due to injury, etcetera.
00:20:28
But when we go back to last year, suspended for four games, okay, that's fine.
00:20:34
But you're still talking about a guy that what came up with 49 for 6 76? That's not bad, right? Not bad. And six touchdowns.
00:20:40
The touchdown number is probably the biggest needle mover.
00:20:43
If you're talking about getting value for him, it's that here's a veteran that understands how to execute in the red zone.
00:20:49
And if you have Cam Newton in New England, here's a high value guy that you can rely on as they're relatively surrounded by young players.
00:20:56
McKeel Harry, who they like but hasn't quite been able to find consistency for himself, either.
00:21:00
So listen, it's possible.
00:21:02
And by the way, I don't great.
00:21:04
Great.
00:21:05
Send me a third round pick.
00:21:06
I'm not gonna I'm not here to stop you, but if it's 1/4 round pick, I'm perfectly happy with that.
00:21:10
If it's 1/5 round pick, I'm still happy to move Golden Tate.
00:21:13
So the bottom line is we are open for business.
00:21:15
And as I know read Ralph will go ahead and get Bill Belichick on the line.
00:21:18
He has the inside track there.
00:21:20
They talked to him frequently on the day to day basis.
00:21:22
Our our really so he'll go ahead and line that up for us and move them on. But I do. I do.
00:21:26
I do want to see that if there is interest around the league for golden tape, he needs to be moved prior to the deadline and I and and if that means that maybe we'll get an education by him being held out on Monday night.
00:21:36
If you don't see him on Monday night, it means the deal is done and he's going out the door.
00:21:39
It, you know it's going back to Mohammed's to new.
00:21:42
I think it's, Ah, good, uh, correlation, because how crazy is it that he's not even on a team anymore? He went from being a third round pick missing piece to potential championship run to not even being on an active roster halfway through the season the following year.
00:21:56
It's incredible that well, hey, actually, it's just a no.
00:22:02
He was just having a conversation about this, about the impact of it on his career off, like being in this mode of constantly turning over and transitioning from different rosters, playing with different quarterbacks.
00:22:13
And e don't know if this feed, it doesn't really feed into Golden take the same way because he had a nice, long run there in Detroit as well.
00:22:19
But it is difficult as you get older as a receiver in the league to go to new systems, go to new quarterbacks, still show production so that you still have value.
00:22:29
So you know, listen, as we know, is you get over 30.
00:22:31
The production does diminish for wide receivers, but it's a lot more difficult when you're bouncing around the league as opposed to saying, Hey, great example is Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona? Right? Because he stayed there and he's slowly drifted down that totem pole they brought in Nuke, and you get that, too, But he's been able to stay consistent.
00:22:48
In this year, You've seen the biggest drop of his career, but over the last handful of years, he's still been a consistent, productive player because he knows what he is and he accepts what he is.
00:22:57
And he transitions into that new role where some of these other guys, you're not sure.
00:23:01
Hey, do we want him as a number one right now? Is he a consistent number two? We wanna up in the slot.
00:23:05
Do we want him on the outside? And Golden? Tate even went through that with a Giant when he first came in.
00:23:09
One cautionary tale.
00:23:10
I will say I know that you're ready to jettison Golden Tate for a bag of football's, but I do think knowing that our wide receiving corps is so thin, we do want to get some of these younger guys experience, but I will caution and say I do worry a little bit about, you know, a position where we're already very thin, trading off someone like Golden Tate and giving Daniel Jones less to work with.
00:23:32
We just talked about us enquiring about someone like Kenny Golladay for the long term, which would be amazing.
00:23:36
You know, short term evaluation of Daniel Jones to the last eight games this season.
00:23:40
You know, if you take him off the board and you have C J board who's still in the concussion protocol, then you're only down to a couple of healthy guys on the active roster.
00:23:48
Yeah, I mean, listen, that's fair.
00:23:50
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna knock that, but there's going to be free agents out there in the off season now in season right now in the development of Daniel Jones that that is a concern.
00:24:00
You have to at least hope that Sterling Shepard could be healthy going forward.
00:24:05
That that, you know, that's number one.
00:24:06
He plays out the rest of the season healthy Darius Layton, dealing with a little bit of a nagging injury, but looks like he's gonna be okay.
00:24:12
And then if you're moving golden tape, I also think by on occasion we talked about this previously holding onto an Ingram through this season and then assessing the marked afterwards.
00:24:21
So you're gonna have Evan Ingram for as inconsistent as maybe you still have that weapon there as well.
00:24:25
You brought back in Coleman to this roster.
00:24:28
You have these younger, by the way, get Benjamin Victor up under the roster.
00:24:31
You know, you have Austin back in, like, get the young guys up there.
00:24:34
And even though it's gonna growing pains, you can always get inside the numbers and understand about Daniel Jones through X number of interceptions over the last nine games.
00:24:42
Yes, but how many of those were on young rookie receivers running the poor rats, etcetera.
00:24:46
So you're still gonna be able to dissect Daniel Jones and see if he's improving or not.
00:24:49
And by the way, just as importantly, let's find out if if Mac, let's find out if Victor let's find out if these guys can contributors this year now so that we know what it means for us in the draft. In the off season.
00:25:00
If we have to go to the office, start grabbing free agent wide receivers or spending a second or third round pick on a wide receiver because we feel like we need that guy.
00:25:08
And then it turns out maybe we have some of these gems on the roster that could be contributors for us.
00:25:12
Yeah, I do agree that we need to be developing this young talent.
00:25:15
And as we said before, I'm fine with the The idea of trading Golden Tate.
00:25:19
I do think that it's there is some cautionary tales of trading them away if you're still on the fence of whether Daniel Jones is going to be the future for you or not, by the way, Sorry, Uh, that was a second round pick that the New England Patriots gave up from Mohammed Sunu because I remember going back to it because when you said it, I thought, Yeah, third round pick, I guess.
00:25:38
Whatever.
00:25:39
But remember it being a very big pop in my mind when they made that trade for a 30 year old, you know, veteran contributor wide receiver and a pretty high powered, widespread open offense in Atlanta, where you feel like probably your production is inflated a little bit more than what it truly is.
00:25:56
So they gave up a second round pick for him last year.
00:25:59
So here's the problem.
00:26:01
It means that there is a history of this, that they could give up a high pick.
00:26:05
And also, they may have just recently learned a lesson around that that would scare them off from doing it.
00:26:10
But it doesn't mean I go let second round.
00:26:12
Don't be crazy, Bill.
00:26:13
A three will do it.
00:26:14
Well, I know I'm doing you a favor, buddy.
00:26:17
Third round pick.
00:26:18
We're all good here.
00:26:19
So, listen, maybe the three could be on the table.
00:26:21
We just don't know.
00:26:22
It's unbelievable, Adam.
00:26:24
You would.
00:26:25
How fast could you sprint for a second round pick for golden tape for the future? Oh, good Lord.
00:26:29
Yeah.
00:26:30
Listen, good lord.
00:26:31
I mean, I I would I would run.
00:26:33
And obviously being ineffective in terms of getting there quickly, I would run to Boston.
00:26:38
I would run to New England to get the pick.
00:26:40
I know it's not a physical item that you pick up, and then you transition over later, but I would literally do a wind sprint up there to get that pick for Golden Tate, who, by the way again, whatever the value ends up being, he will help Cam Newton like if you're a New England, he will help you.
00:26:54
That will be a significant upgrade.
00:26:56
And losing Edelman Bringing Golden Tate will be a significant upgrade for your wide receiver records in terms off veteran gets it going to be where you need me to be going to score touchdowns for you.
00:27:06
So wait, Adam, are you saying you would be the uber driver for Golden Tate if he needed? If he needed a ride, All the way up to Boston is that we're saying for a second round way into the personal side of it, where I've seen, I've seen his wife on the social media post. He has lovely Children.
00:27:20
You know, I would lovingly like a gentleman shove all of his personal effects, clean out of the locker room into a duffel bag.
00:27:30
He has his own suitcases.
00:27:31
They have matching luggage.
00:27:33
I'm putting him in in that old bag like Tommy boy coming off the plane, and I just hop into my uber driver.
00:27:39
Sure, I put him in the Honda.
00:27:40
We shoot up by 95.
00:27:42
And it's bon voyage, sir.
00:27:44
Thanks for the PIC.
00:27:45
So, yeah, listen, my mind is open and as is my draft board, well, as we start thinking about looking towards Monday and not Sunday, a final footnote for anyone, that's thinking, Let's let's give it an extra day.
00:28:00
You know, we saw the Titans game be moved to a Tuesday.
00:28:03
It's not in the cards for the Buccaneers vs Giants game because the NFL has given everyone off on Tuesday four Election Day to go out and vote.
00:28:11
They refused to have everybody play on Tuesday, so it's either the Giants play on Monday night against the Buccaneers or they don't play the game at all.
00:28:18
That's interesting.
00:28:19
I wonder if the I wonder if the Wednesday night is now becoming a part of the NFL schedule of Wednesday.
00:28:24
I'm dead for football every single day.
00:28:27
So you wanna you wanna play the Giants game on Wednesday? You wanna have a nice Friday night matchup? You know, next week I'm all for it.
00:28:33
The medicine.
00:28:34
We will keep our eye on any of the news and notes, but for all intents and purposes, one player out for the Giants, the game will go on.
00:28:40
We'll be back in on Monday, breaking down the Tampa Bay roster, breaking down Theirry, Lucid and uh, ever young Tom Brady, who continues to really look sharp there with 18 touchdowns so far on the young season.
00:28:51
Until then, we give a big shout out there over on SportsCastr, thanks to Ray Ralph for checking in d p n Ray, check him out, covering the New England Patriots as they prepare to try to get that won't come and request the services of one Golden Tate from us.
00:29:05
We've triggered him, Andy.
00:29:06
He's not happy with what we've done here today.
00:29:08
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How did I mess up one of our easiest standard operations of exiting? Tell them, Andy, as always.
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