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No, it's been awful.
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It's been awful.
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I just you know what? It's because it's so depressing to be a Patriots fan right now.
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Right now.
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It really is.
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Yeah, and dude, we're about to go into It's It's the big it's It's the season.
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It's a season.
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If they lose to the Buffalo Bills on Sunday, pack it up, send it homes.
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I mean, apparently the dog climate are who put it out there, dog.
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Put it out there selling the team.
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Apparently, it's a fire sale, whatever the hell that means that.
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So how confident.
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Take a wild guess.
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How confident do you think Pats Nation is in the Patriots this weekend? I feel like it's a very mixed bag.
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I did not look at the poll, so I don't know since I voted this morning, but I'm gonna say it's about 60 40.
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The bill's gonna win.
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You're close, man.
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It's 50.
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8 to 41.
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2 for the Buffalo Bills.
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I unfortunately, sit in the Buffalo Bills category.
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I don't know. You said, I know you're overly optimistic.
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I don't know if you saw the tweet, though.
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Two people said that you need to do a big, bold prediction and say Buffalo is gonna win so that the Patriots could actually win again because you're predicting awful this season.
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Yeah, touche.
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So I'm gonna go in the opposite direction.
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I think that's the curse.
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If I come out and say the bills will win, that will essentially curse them.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So look, man, we could have sat here and pretended like we know anything about the Buffalo Bills.
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Well, welcome to the show, man.
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We appreciate you being here.
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This isn't your first time on this channel.
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Your first time on this new version of the show.
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So we appreciate you haven't have you coming on with us for this next half an hour or so.
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Now I say half an hour, but we actually time our commercials and we make our show long enough that we don't interfere into the talk time for how long are commercials are.
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So we might be 40 minutes or so.
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But if you got to run and put the kids to better jump through a table, I understand.
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You know, e am of the mindset that that is the dumbest thing that, uh, that gets recognized basically by the Buffalo Bills fans.
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I'd rather be recognized for wings or hot sauce or anything like that.
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But going through tables is atrocious to me.
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So you've never done it? No table jumping.
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Unfortunately, we had a bet on YouTube and if we exceeded So Maney likes, uh, my partner, Paul, who is £100 less than me, got to put me through a table, and he did.
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And it happened on one of our post game.
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So the only one and only time I've ever been put through a table.
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So was it a wood table or a plastic table? It was wood.
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This was would because I see these idiots sometimes trying to go through these plastic tables, and I'm like you £25.
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You're not gonna go through the It's never a fat guy, either.
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It's always it's always a fat guy, like slamming its £50 girlfriend onto the table.
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Its's e.
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I live in Toronto, and I'm just like, I don't understand how, like, two hours down the road it comes from this to this e don't.
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I wish I had an explanation for it, but last I don't, uh I'm sorry I got a question for you when, um when I started talking crap.
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Both things that you've gotten saying on Twitter is that you were Paul, that I'm talking Thio.
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Mostly Paul Paul is usually the Twitter instigator on there.
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I'll usually posted statistics or any kind of updates or something like that.
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Paul is is usually one kind of doing the breaking news and kind of peppering a few memes in there every once in a while.
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So that's that's mostly Paul.
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So when he's talking about a a guy who we try like I read a tweet and it was because Mike Grable's team got caught, the Titans got caught cheating, right? Obviously, with the cove it and training.
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And you guys tweeted out like I'm so happy to see somebody on the Belichick coaching tree, you know, get nailed cheating.
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And I sat there And what? Well, that's a stretch, you know, considering that you have a coach with Belichick.
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No, it's It's the tree is that it's got many branches that said, Spawn out.
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You know, Ray, you must remember the last time I came on here, it's It's almost like there's a role reversal that happens between us because you end up talking good about the bills and I end up counting the Patriots by the end of the show.
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So if any of those other listening it's not gonna be your super super fan versus Super fan talk show, I mean, we try to take an objective approach.
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At least we do a hashtag sports and and this shows I've done with you, Ray, we've definitely done that.
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So we do.
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Well, let's start right off with it.
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I've been telling you.
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Well, you and I, we we met through SportsCastr.
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I think that's how we came together.
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And then you invited me to join an A.
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F.
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C East Roundtable.
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I got ambushed, and it was you and to jet fans, there wasn't even a Dolphins fan.
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Um e dolphins don't wanna show.
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And then you and I, you and I got into it, and then we got muted.
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So we got back together and said Okay, we got to do something on our own because we got muted off the show because Oh, yeah, I remember it was a Brady discussion.
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I had thio to Italian started going and we just no one else could get.
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E wasn't even either one of our shows that z part about It was it was a jet show.
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But I did.
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I did enrage the New York fans because I said that, I believe and I've been saying it since the draft that I thought that Josh Allen was the future of the A F C East.
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After Tom Brady.
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I thought that he was better than Sam Donald to a might give a run for his money now, like you know what I mean.
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Like, there might be a fight there, but at that time, I said, I think he's better than Sam Donald right now, at that point is that Donald was better.
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But Josh because Josh Allen wasn't Polish, and I said once he's policy is gonna be better, we're starting.
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I think we saw a I want to get your opinion on this from a Buffalo perspective, cause from my perspective, I saw Josh Allen taking massive leap this year, he's still Ball Security is still a bit of an issue from time to time, but I even go back to that l a game on.
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This is what I said the corner, even though I think you guys got a really cheesy pass interference penalty, uh called.
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But in fairness, you also got a terrible interception called Put against us.
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I don't understand how they call that an interception after the guy caught the ball and went to ground and it was over and he pulled the ball of saying anyhow.
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But I said, the difference between Josh Allen this year and Josh Allen last years, I don't think Josh Allen from last season takes advantage of that pass interference and throws a touchdown for the wind.
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And I think you guys let the Rams through the full come back and lose.
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Uh, do you believe he's taken that step that you guys were waiting for in Buffalo? He definitely has, Ah, stronger command of the offense and the knowledge of where guys are in certain times.
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Uh, it just seems that in the first four games, you know, the Buffalo Bills fans in the fan base, everything. They got spoiled.
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You know, a lot of teams were trying to play man to man and trying to say, Okay, Josh, let's see if you can beat us with this.
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Let's see if you could beat us with that.
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And and, you know, Vrabel was actually the guy in Tennessee that kind of left the blueprint on the table for everyone else to say, Listen, we're gonna rush for we're gonna rush three.
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We're gonna play 878 in coverage.
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You're gonna have to try to find the zones, Josh.
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And then we're gonna put somebody on you in case you decided to run.
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So, uh, you know, a lot of a lot of the two games that they lost versus Kansas City in Tennessee.
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It was a lot of gap integrity by the defensive line, trying to keep Josh in the pocket and trying to make him beat him with his arm.
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And, you know, the 1st 1st 4 games.
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Um, with Miami, the Rams, the Jets and the Raiders.
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They all tried to play a lot of man on Josh Allen, which is something when you have to find gigs Cole Beasley and John Brown.
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You just really you can't do it.
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You just can't do it.
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So I think he matured and his knowledge of the offense.
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He's checking out of a lot of plays at the line.
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You start inaudible a little bit more this year, so I think his overall understanding of the offense is something that's been different this year.
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But, um, we were at odds in Buffalo about certain play calls that go on with Brian Table in the office of coaching staff.
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So eso did you just give us your print toe win the game this week? Absolutely.
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I have no doubt that Belichick called the Vrabel Yeah, this week called Give Anything Before I go on, I was just gonna ask you, Did you take the pole? Did I know I e.
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I always get touted as a as a closet Patriots fan because I've said even since Day one since the draft, since everything was started, I said, Listen until the king of the mountain top gets knocked off, there's still the kings of the mountain top and two and four record.
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You talk about a poll being that close.
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We did it.
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We did a round table last night, and a lot of a lot of Bills fans had the game within one score.
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So they're not viewed in.
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Buffalo is a one, as as a two and 14.
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Let me just put it that way.
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Well, and I think in fairness, I mean, I don't know how much you paid attention in New England this season, but especially the last two games, and I've been screaming this from the rooftops.
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Uh, this is obviously not, you know, my I don't know my little cousins patriots, but they're not as bad as their plane the last two weeks that they're not as bad as they played the last two weeks.
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It's just unfortunate that they've now put themselves in a position where this has become a must win, because if we if we go to to where they go to two and five, Uh, and with to a starting, we don't know how things were gonna go in Miami on Buffalo jumping up that far ahead and I don't believe I believe that with the way every other team is playing in the A F.
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C right now, like you're gonna need 12 wins when the division or 12 wins to make the playoffs.
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Like I think that's the I think that's the level right now.
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So the Patriots are really at a point where they almost got to run the table.
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But let me ask you about this weekend speaking, sticking with Josh Allen.
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They're calling for 57 degrees in rain.
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Is that going to be a concern for you with Josh Allen? Because the book on him or the knock on him amongst Twitter fans, let's say, Is that bad weather games? Which is surprising for a Buffalo quarterback who's gonna play in a lot of bad weather games, right? I mean, you get similar weather, do we? Do I know what winters could be like there? Are you concerned about cold and Rain? I'm not really too concerned about it, but you know, in history usually shows everything that comes out in the wash and and and and historically has not played well in cold weather games, bad weather games, and it just seems kind of interesting.
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But when you talk about a guy who came into the league and continues to be talked about as far as accuracy issues, Um, and what he's been able to do where? Ball placement, Where he's able hitting open guys, missing open guys and stuff like that.
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So when you, uh, factor in an element of weather into that and he throws it 175 miles an hour, you're gonna have a completion percentage.
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That's less than ideal.
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So, um, I'm not really I'm not too worried about it.
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I think that this is going to be one, um, mainly in the trenches.
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I think you know, Newton or Stadium.
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Whoever starts with you and Alan, they're gonna be bystanders in this game.
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I think the running backs were gonna do most of the talking in this New England Bills matchup.
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Okay, And that is a really good point.
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And that's where I want to get.
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And let's do full disclosure for everybody.
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You called me today and I went Oh, my God.
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I forgot you're coming on the show.
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I was straight up way had corner, and I had spent, like, an hour putting the whole show together.
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And I texted back.
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I'm like, Hey, um, you told me Wait. Advanced.
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Andi, He knew we both just blanked.
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But so when we were prepping the show today and I was trying to make my art list of reasons of why the Patriots would win Um, not saying the Patriots are gonna win.
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I already admitted I was on the Bills part of that poll, but if they win, it's actually gonna have to be a passing game for the Patriots.
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And I and I went like this, but my biggest fear is you're running backs because I looked at the matchups between Buffalo and New England from the receiving standpoint and the secondary, and I kind of like it.
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You got Stefan Gilmore against digs, right? I assume Brown is gonna play.
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He's all healed up, right? J.
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C Jackson on Brown is a good matchup.
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Jonathan Jones on Beazley.
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Jones has the speed to keep up with Beazley.
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Um, you also have is, um what's his name? He's been hurt on the i R.
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Is he gonna be back this week and is he gonna be any impact on the team at all? If you talk about the guard John Feliciano or no, not Feliciano will receive you with a receiver on the I.
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R did you not way had e don't preliminary reports said.
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He's not.
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He's not back yet.
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I had to see how practice went today.
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Practice.
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A lot of guys were limited that practiced on Wednesday and did not practice today.
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So that kind of threw up a couple of red flags.
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But the offense in particular just before you get back to your your next point.
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Uh, the Buffalo offense with John Brown is a completely different animal than when he's not in the lineup.
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But we saw what happened over the past three weeks.
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The Bills didn't even break 20 in the last three weeks.
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So, yeah, the Patriots always seem to get the team when they get their players back.
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Right.
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We got Cisco after we came back.
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We get Buffalo when Brown comes back, Um in Gabriel is not a not a bad, bad body, either.
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Right? And that's that.
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That would look at Jonathan Jones, sort of pick.
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So I kind of like the matchup, not not in New England's favor, but I think our secondary could do enough to slow down the bill's passing offense, not stop it.
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You know, I mean but slow it down enough that perhaps you could hold to a couple field goals and the Patriots try to respond.
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My fear is, is right now the Buffalo Bills for yards per game, are ranked 29th in the NFL for Russian yards.
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And I said that the worst possible thing that could happen for the Patriots, who happen to be the 27th worst rush defense in the NFL, is to get beat on the ground.
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And if the running backs who are a good crew of running backs, you know how much I love your running back through.
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And so just I don't understand what's going on with them and maybe you give some insight.
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But if they get going, the Patriots are done like done this game.
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And so we that they have and the Patriots have to sell out on the run and hope their man to man coverage can pick up.
00:19:04
But what's going on with the running backs right now? Yeah, I was gonna ask that, too.
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Do you think Zack Moss is taking over the job? Hey definitely adds a different element than Singletary does as far as the ground and pound Singletary's able even though he's not a burner.
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He's a guy that could hit the outside for you.
00:19:20
Moss is more of a grinder in the middle.
00:19:22
Get you those those tough 34 yards.
00:19:24
Kind of like a I would say that they're they're they're probably comparable to, like a Sony Michelle and a James White.
00:19:33
Is that Is that the comparison I would take? Not Singletary is nowhere near that.
00:19:37
The receiver that why it is.
00:19:38
But a Sfar is that comparison of those two guys, one guys, the hammer, one guys that you know, the guy that goes outside and he could be effective in the passing game.
00:19:45
Uh, you know, you're asking me And, you know, I was confused that the Buffalo Bills when they went up against the 31st ranked, uh, defensive rush defense in the Tennessee Titans.
00:19:56
They didn't run the ball.
00:19:58
They didn't have a running play against the Jets until 10 minutes left in the second quarter.
00:20:02
I'm not sure, and this goes back to the offensive play calling.
00:20:04
I'm not sure what they're looking at, what they want to dio.
00:20:07
If you want to try to go and compare these two teams even more.
00:20:11
You know Josh McDaniels in the New England Patriots.
00:20:14
They're known for running the Earnhardt Perkin system, the E P system, and that is something that Brian David has brought over to the Buffalo Bills.
00:20:21
And the philosophy of that system is to pass the score run to win and the Buffalo Bills.
00:20:27
The second half of that, they haven't been doing too much of even though they are five and two.
00:20:31
They haven't been running the ball effectively in between the tackles.
00:20:33
They we, the Buffalo Bills cut Quinton, Spain.
00:20:37
Who was there? Hey, was he was a starting guard all 16 games last year.
00:20:41
Didn't give up a sack the entire year.
00:20:43
He just got sat out for Cody Ford, who was in his second year.
00:20:47
And then John Feliciano, who's the starting guard, was out for a number of weeks.
00:20:51
A swell with a with a peck strain.
00:20:53
Uh, so you have Brian Winters.
00:20:55
They cast off from New York Jets and you had, like Bond Girl who's a practice squad guy playing tackle are playing guard for you.
00:21:01
And while Cody Ford wasn't playing very well a garden, he was your right tackle last year, so there's a lot of mixing up on that offensive line that the cohesiveness that you need in a good run game, which you guys know in New England, you know, resting, not he's not, didn't pass away, but Dante Scarnecchia not being there anymore.
00:21:18
That is huge for the New England Patriots.
00:21:20
With that, with the offensive line, you guys definitely.
00:21:22
And now the offensive line in New England has has been done, done unbelievably this year, considering the hand that they've been dealt.
00:21:28
I mean, there was a game where we were down to fourth stringers, and you know, the only game we really got exposed was I'd say Denver was at the game for you, Connor.
00:21:35
That Denver was a rough game last week as well.
00:21:38
Last week was alright, but yeah, Jo Sumi Jo Tooni went down.
00:21:42
That became a little bit of a debacle because yeah, I don't think people realize how good Joe Tooni is.
00:21:47
And he's played in, like, four different positions on the line this year and back all over, So he's been the only consistency.
00:21:55
Now you're gonna tight ends this week, right? I hope so.
00:21:58
Three other ones were just close contact Kobe.
00:22:02
They weren't They didn't test positive.
00:22:03
Correct? I don't believe so.
00:22:05
No, I don't think they did.
00:22:06
And it was It was actually Tyler.
00:22:07
Kroft was the one that got saved from it.
00:22:09
And also Reggie.
00:22:10
Gillian, who's the practice squad? Guy would get called up.
00:22:13
Um, Tyler Kroft wife gave birth to their child.
00:22:16
So that's why he wasn't with the other tight ends and caught in that.
00:22:19
So that's, you know, his kids.
00:22:21
His kids saved him.
00:22:23
So I You know what, though.
00:22:25
But you know what? If you look down the history and this is the thing that always got me about about Brian table in the in his offenses is the fact that when he was an offensive coordinator in the NFL, he never really utilize titans that Well, anyway, I know he didn't have ah, lot of barn burners.
00:22:39
A lot of you know, number one draft pick, sous faras. Tight ends go.
00:22:42
But he never really seemed to utilize the tight end position in his offenses.
00:22:46
And, you know, it was so confusing to me the fact that he was a tight ends coach in New England, the fact that he had a front row seat to Gronk and he should know how the position is supposed to be played.
00:22:56
So I don't know why he doesn't utilize his position.
00:22:59
They only get, like, maybe three or four targets a game.
00:23:01
I don't know if that's by play design, or that's by a decision of the quarterback.
00:23:04
I'm not really sure, but they do have formidable tight ends that usually try to try to help in the past game.
00:23:10
You know, your you know, your tackles getting beat up a little bit.
00:23:12
Let's put the tight end in there So he takes take a little bit longer route.
00:23:15
We're gonna chip in with a back, who knows? But usually the tight ends and backs are used in the past game as to Chip or the block, but not really.
00:23:24
In the past game, Thio catch passes and go out, so that kind of sounds like New England tight ends.
00:23:29
Uh, yeah, just least you know the names.
00:23:34
Your tight end.
00:23:35
I think if you asked about the Patriot fans, what's the tight ends on the Patriots ago? They usually have to like 35 year old veterans, the guys who don't play? No, we've got two rookies in a third year player right now.
00:23:47
And, uh, one rookie played for for five weeks and then became a healthy scratch.
00:23:53
And the guy who was a healthy scratch for five weeks came in and played, and he was just a useless is the other one.
00:23:57
We'll take the 35 year old veterans back.
00:24:00
I'll take Ben Watson back.
00:24:01
T o E would take Ben Watson.
00:24:04
E.
00:24:05
Come back, please.
00:24:06
I don't think Delaney Walker is doing anything to you.
00:24:09
Did.
00:24:10
That wouldn't be bad.
00:24:11
E think Antonio Gates.
00:24:13
Right now, like I e you don't understand what I would do for tighter.
00:24:18
No, this Patriots team is in a lot of trouble because after the first three weeks and we're two on one, I keep saying we and I just yelled at you, Connor, yesterday for saying we right, They were patriots there, too.
00:24:30
And one, the Patriots of two and one could have been three, you know, you know, they're a yard away.
00:24:35
I mean, Khan and I thought we came back after that Week two loss to Seattle, and we're like, this is the happiest I've been after a loss.
00:24:41
I feel so good about this team, like, you know, and and then Week four, we beat Vegas.
00:24:47
We see a little bit of they beat Vegas.
00:24:48
We see a little bit of ruffles in the Patriots game, and then Cam Newton gets Cove it and everything goes to hell in a handbasket.
00:24:55
He misses the Kansas City game.
00:24:57
We realized Brian Hoyer can't play football and doesn't know how many time outs there are.
00:25:01
Have any pocket awareness or when not to take a sack and when not to fumble the football and I could go on and on and on.
00:25:07
Jared Stidham comes in, Everybody gets excited.
00:25:10
He looks just a ****ty and things just continue on.
00:25:12
And then Cam new, then the Newton's back.
00:25:14
Right? Then we get him against Denver.
00:25:16
Alright? They had to practices in two weeks.
00:25:19
Let's give them the past on the Denver game, and then they just look awful in San Francisco, not taking the win away from San Francisco because they're a good team.
00:25:28
But I've never seen a Mawr passionless, teat Patriots team and I saw against San Francisco and we're now at the point you want to hear okay, And this, we're gonna I'm gonna back myself into a compliment.
00:25:41
Here is Adam likes to say, one of my my co host here on SportsCastr News.
00:25:45
We're now at a point where leaders like Devin McCourty are turning to people like his brother to find out what it's like to be in this situation.
00:25:54
Because since 2010 the worst position Devin McCord has ever been in is two and two.
00:25:59
He's went to the Super Bowl for half of his career.
00:26:01
He's never been on a losing team, so the leaders of the locker room now are the Owen 16.
00:26:06
Jason McCord is the Lawrence guys.
00:26:08
Even the Cam Newton is the guys who have been in bad situations.
00:26:12
I have now had to step in his leaders to talkto veterans who have no idea how to lose like no, they don't lose a big game and bounce back.
00:26:20
They don't know what it's like to be two and four and how you bounce back from this season, and that's where the Patriots are now.
00:26:26
And it's It's a little bit of a humble brag because here's Devin McCourty, who's in his 11th season, and he's facing his first losing season ever.
00:26:33
Right? How the script has flipped, though, right? I mean, this is normally like we got, you know, Buffalo.
00:26:41
Now Buffalo's almost the point that we got the Patriots and I know you guys might have.
00:26:45
You guys might have a little bit of Little Brother syndrome right now, just because the way it's been the last few years.
00:26:51
But you beat us with Fitz Magic once.
00:26:56
But God, what is I'm interested to know from a Buffalo fan perspective? Obviously.
00:27:02
I mean, I think the rivalries more heated between fans and it is between the two teams.
00:27:06
You know what is? When you guys were looking at the Patriots two and four, you looked at half the bandwagon jump and go to Tampa Bay.
00:27:15
You see the rest of you know, half of the fan base that's left crying and whining, like entitled little people.
00:27:21
And then you have people like Corner and I that are kind of like man, it's been 20 years like we can't complain.
00:27:26
Like, what's this? Your overall reaction to us as fans here in New England right now? Well, I could give you I could give you the typical Bills fan and I give you my own take.
00:27:35
So the typical Bills fan is relishing in this moment.
00:27:39
I mean, if you would have brought any Buffalo Bills fan of Bills Mafia that that came on the show when you two were talking about alright, Buffalo.
00:27:48
We gotta play Buffalo.
00:27:49
If they lose, the season's over.
00:27:51
You know, I've never heard that from a New England Patriot fan that said, Oh, if we lose the Buffalo, our season's over.
00:27:56
I don't think that's been said in the past two decades.
00:27:59
Yeah, right.
00:28:01
My personal feeling about it is I I always thought, personally, I always thought it was more Belichick and Brady and I always thought that he was able to right the ship.
00:28:11
I mean, he came to the Patriots with two Super Bowl rings.
00:28:14
So he was the guy that saw a blueprint that was laid out in front of him that knew how to do what he needed to dio, um, where do you think he got the fact, Of course, scoring at the end of the half and then getting the ball in the second half from he got that from Super Bowl 25 like you think that's a mystery or he got that, Um, the take of it is I'm or like I said at the beginning of the show, I said, Listen, until you knock the Kings off the top of the mountain, there's still the king's atop Mount.
00:28:37
Don't care who your quarterback is.
00:28:38
I don't care what's going on with the team.
00:28:40
There's always been a do your job.
00:28:43
We win here.
00:28:44
We do what we have to do.
00:28:45
Mantra of the New England Patriots From a Bills perspective, that's what it is like.
00:28:49
Listen, we've been getting kicked in the teeth.
00:28:51
But you know what? This team, even with Josh Allen the last two years, has still not beaten the New England Patriots.
00:28:59
And you know what? If you look, if you look over the stats over the past four games, it wasn't Brady that beat the Bills.
00:29:06
You know, if you look at the statistics up and down the board, okay, He had pretty pedestrian games, and that's not a shot at Brady.
00:29:13
I'm just saying that McDermott the defense with Frazier they have, they've kind of held him in check and let in the running backs have absolutely killed the Buffalo Bills.
00:29:20
I see that again.
00:29:22
I see the ghost of Christmas past coming up and I see the running back, the running game of the New England Patriots.
00:29:27
Which is what was the fourth in the league right now? Uh, completely, you know, railroading the Buffalo Bills, who their run defense has been like a sieve.
00:29:35
So I'm terrified of this game personally, and I don't think it's gonna be a walk through our scrimmage like a lot of like, a lot of Bills fans think, because, uh, you guys have to realize something, and I'll just let you get a little insider information.
00:29:48
Every Patriot fan outside array that I've met.
00:29:52
That's from Boston, that's from Maine.
00:29:54
That's from from every in the New England area.
00:29:56
Basically, I get along with, we have great football discussions.
00:30:00
It's awesome.
00:30:01
We go back and forth. It's a great topic of debate.
00:30:03
It's the Williamsville Patriot fans outside of Buffalo that are 20 years old.
00:30:10
And let's say that the bill for Bill suck the team sucked Brady's God, and all sorts of those are the guys that usually have trouble discussing the game with eso it za to, you know, You know, I come on here and I know I'm gonna have a great back and forth with you guys.
00:30:24
But it's it's the Buffalo Patriot fans that really rile the rivalry up.
00:30:28
And it's not so much the people from New England that really rile all the Buffalo Bills fans.
00:30:34
I know there's a few, but the majority that I've become in contact with.
00:30:37
It's like, Okay, you know, we beat you guys.
00:30:39
But, hey, you know what? There was a time where there was a number 12 in Buffalo.
00:30:43
They used to beat New England every year.
00:30:45
So I mean, it's it comes full circle all the time.
00:30:48
So and it's funny to because Connor, I think you could agree.
00:30:51
The fans that drive us the craziest to like on Twitter and stuff are never the New England area, either.
00:30:56
You know that, and I always tell people like, you know, if Toronto okay, if Toronto got a team today, I don't know if I could become a Toronto fans.
00:31:05
I've been a Patriots fan since I was like nine years old.
00:31:07
You wouldn't like back in the Bledsoe days, where Mary and I both have an affection for Drew Bledsoe.
00:31:13
Connors little younger than us.
00:31:14
So he doesn't remember the Drew Bledsoe days.
00:31:16
But remember, E.
00:31:18
But I have an affection for the Drew Bledsoe days, but, I mean, if I was like, Grew up with the Toronto football team would probably be a Toronto football team.
00:31:26
Fan you e.
00:31:28
It's funny because people think that Buffalo is like a Toronto team because we're so close.
00:31:33
But if you come to Toronto, I know probably less Buffalo fans, and I know every other fan base.
00:31:38
You what? I mean, like, it's such a smattering of fan bases here.
00:31:42
That is not guys.
00:31:43
I'm so late on this.
00:31:44
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Anything you wanna ask us about this game on the weekend before we get into some final predictions? I mean, you guys pretty much highlighted what? What it's gonna be like as a patriots fan looking at the Buffalo Bills.
00:35:57
What is it? I mean, is it is it so different now that okay, you're two and 14.
00:36:03
You're going against the five and two team, which is three and on the division.
00:36:07
Is it different? Looking up at the bills than it's been for 20 years, looking down at them like, is it? I mean, at some point you had you had to figure that that that the well was gonna run dry and that the pendulum is gonna swift swing to another team in the a f c East.
00:36:22
How you guys feeling with this? How you guys taken is because you seem pretty level headed.
00:36:26
So I think you guys were taken in stride right now is that I do, so I'll let himself Right now I feel like the Bills air finally smelling blood in the water for the first time in 20 years.
00:36:36
I think they know that this is the time that they really have, like, their foot in the Patriots neck.
00:36:40
And if they win this game, I think they're going to run away with the division, and I think they kind of know that.
00:36:45
So I expect the Bills to come out really fired up.
00:36:48
But at the same time, the Patriots are kind of playing for their lives.
00:36:51
So I'm sure Bill Bella checks like sleeping in his office right now trying to get a game plan ready.
00:36:55
I think it's gonna be a scrappy game.
00:36:57
I think it's gonna be low scoring.
00:36:59
They're gonna bowl, team, they're gonna run the ball a lot.
00:37:01
But yeah, it's This is a feeling we've never dealt with from the past 20 years.
00:37:05
I've come out and said the Patriots is gonna win the A F C East with the utmost confidence And now this year I'm like, Wow, they really might not.
00:37:12
For the first time since 2000 and one or the year when Brady was injured, I think that was, 08 Mhm.
00:37:19
Yeah, and they still won 11 and five of that year.
00:37:20
E didn't make the playoffs.
00:37:23
Um, yeah.
00:37:24
Look, I think that for me.
00:37:27
I saw this.
00:37:28
I mean, you and I talked about this already last year.
00:37:30
I said, It's only a matter of time until that becomes Buffalo's division, right? I could see it.
00:37:34
How good that team was on.
00:37:35
I think you came on.
00:37:36
I brought you on just after you've made the trade for Stefon Diggs.
00:37:41
And I remember saying to you, That's the move, like, that's the move right there.
00:37:45
You've got a fantastic defense.
00:37:48
You've already had a great offense.
00:37:50
You've now just You already had a guy who I actually considered a number one in Brown.
00:37:54
I know that some people think he's better in the two spot, but I think he could be a number one.
00:37:58
But you now got a legit number one with a fantastic number two with a great slot and Beasley, I, you know, you're tight ends or kind of unknowns, but they're very productive.
00:38:08
Tight ends.
00:38:09
Um, and I thought you had a running game at that time and I said, No.
00:38:12
Now we're gonna have to see how Josh Allen takes the next step.
00:38:15
I think, What, for me? Looking up a buffalo.
00:38:18
It's not mawr of looking up to you because I've been expecting this team to get better.
00:38:23
I think what happened was when Brady went to Tampa and I might have told you this.
00:38:29
I had accepted that the Patriots were going into a season of mediocrity.
00:38:33
I had accepted that.
00:38:34
We were getting to a point where, okay, where we're going into a rebuild.
00:38:38
And then they signed a former M V P at quarterback, and I think that that brought my ex and then the first three weeks of the season looks fantastic.
00:38:48
And I mean, I remember us talking Connor and going on Jesus.
00:38:52
We could have pulled that Seattle game off.
00:38:54
We would have been three and one after Kansas City.
00:38:56
We would have been, you know, going into way had all these games circled, you know? Yeah, we went through it all.
00:39:03
We had to beat Buffalo at least once.
00:39:06
We to split with Buffalo, we to sweep the rest of the division.
00:39:08
And then we put these games at San Francisco, Seattle, Kansas City, Houston, Baltimore.
00:39:13
I think we put one other in the Rams and we said, We gotta win four of those six.
00:39:17
You know, if they can win four of the six.
00:39:18
Well, now they've lost to Kansas City.
00:39:21
They've lost to Seattle.
00:39:23
Uh, they lost.
00:39:25
They lost the San Francisco.
00:39:26
Denver was a game we already had marked off is a win.
00:39:29
And then it was split with Buffalo.
00:39:32
Best case scenario.
00:39:33
Beat them in Buffalo.
00:39:34
Then we don't have to worry about the game in Gillette.
00:39:36
Eso To me.
00:39:37
It's I'm or disappointed and how it looked like the Patriots had a chance to compete with Buffalo, who I thought would still win the division even with Cam Newton.
00:39:49
Or if it did, it would come down to the last game of the season kind of thing.
00:39:53
I think the fact that it's now looking like we're not even gonna the Patriots aren't gonna put up a fight.
00:39:58
That's Mawr, the disappointing.
00:40:00
I think it's more because I got my expectations a little higher than they should have, and I wish I would.
00:40:05
I wish Jared stood him would have started.
00:40:06
I could've just kept my expectations on the floor and said, Okay, because I look at this team for 2021 they're gonna have the third highest salary cap in the league.
00:40:15
They're gonna have a pretty good They're gonna have a pretty good, you know, drafts draft picks to pick from.
00:40:21
And I mean, OK, the draft is a hit and miss with Belichick.
00:40:23
I mean, I'd rather trade out of the first, even if he had second overall and get a bunch of fifth, because that's when he seems to do his damage.
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But one thing Belichick is really good at his free agency, right? And knowing who to pick this defined, Gilmore turned into an All Pro anywhere else.
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I don't know. Maybe he needed that.
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You know, you talked about how he had no stability in Buffalo.
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It was just a new no system new system new system coming into New England and being in that system, finding what's right for him and keeping it there, it turns him into If you go somewhere else.
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Maybe he doesn't.
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I think Belichick's really good at finding those kind of guys in in free agency, and we've seen it time and time again, right? Where the West Welker's of the world, the Amendola's? Yeah, I felt I feel good.
00:41:01
I felt really good about this team going in 2021.
00:41:04
But now what? I want to see the rest of the season.
00:41:07
It's not so much is beat Buffalo.
00:41:08
It's I want to see Cam Newton compete against Buffalo and make me feel good that, hey, maybe we could go forward with the next two or three years with Newton is a bridge until you find that guy.
00:41:18
Yeah, I mean, I came into the season saying that the Buffalo Bills, because you look at the West, they're playing the A, F C and N F C West.
00:41:26
That's a gauntlet that is such a gauntlet.
00:41:28
So losing to those teams really isn't an insult As much as people like to think.
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I mean, you got a lot of talent out in both West Coast, but I had the Buffalo Bills winning the division at nine and seven and the Patriots going eight mate.
00:41:39
Um, just because I thought the gauntlets could be really tough with New England adjusting with a new quarterback at the time.
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When I made the prediction, Newton wasn't there.
00:41:47
But you're talking about Cam Newton, who? Sean McDermott had a front row seat for five years in practice every day.
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So he's gonna know some of the tendencies that that Newton that does possess and like you mentioned to find gigs.
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And I always called him and brown 11 a and one B.
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You know, you talk about John Brown, Really? Blossom is a receiver last year and, you know, it was so interesting to me to think about the Cam Newton.
00:42:10
Why Cam Newton.
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So here's what I came up with.
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And I know you guys are pressed for time, but I want to say this You look, you look at Tom Brady and look at Josh Allen. Okay.
00:42:19
No one's ever gonna miss Take those two in a bar.
00:42:21
Okay? As far as the physique and what these guys were doing, you look at Tom Brady's production on the field.
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You look at Josh Allen production on the field.
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Josh Allen, You have to account for his legs.
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You know Tom Brady really don't.
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But he's never seen a guy maneuver around a pocket like Brady ever in the league.
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So the two most successful guys that have run E P Systems were Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
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Not exactly runners.
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So then you come.
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And you got Josh Allen, who enjoyed some mild success, albeit in an E p knockoff system that Brian Table runs in Buffalo and he's got legs.
00:42:50
Okay, maybe a light bulb went off in McDaniels and Belichick's head say, Hey, listen, Ellen was compared to Newton because the obvious Carolina connection with with Brandon being and Sean McDermott and he worked in this system, he won 10 games in this system.
00:43:05
Noone doesn't have a job right now.
00:43:06
Why don't we bring them up here? Could it work? Can you make it work? And I still think it could.
00:43:11
I mean, aside from covert, aside from things that are going on, maybe bad games that happened.
00:43:15
I understand that happens, but I'm not writing off the Patriots at all this year.
00:43:20
I mean, 32 4.
00:43:21
I know it's a uphill uphill battle, but that F C East if the Buffalo Bills were defeat the Patriots Tamar on Sunday.
00:43:30
Okay, then they have a little bit of a cushion, but it's still not a walk in the park the rest of the season.
00:43:35
You guys are about to run the gauntlet.
00:43:38
Now.
00:43:39
We really are after after this weekend.
00:43:41
I mean, you have this weekend, and then you go into the That's the only hope I hold on to is the Patriots are already knocked off half of that.
00:43:49
Really? You know, we've knocked off the Chiefs.
00:43:51
Seattle, You know we solve the Rams, but we have knocked off San Francisco like we've knocked off a big chunk.
00:43:57
The only disadvantage is you don't have to play Baltimore in the Patriots, dio, right? That's the only because of the division.
00:44:02
Your division winners.
00:44:04
Um, okay, one last subject before we call it a night.
00:44:08
We we have a mutual enemy in the division, and that's ah team down in the South who are now gonna be starting.
00:44:17
I think shockingly to attack Abiola's gonna be getting the start this weekend.
00:44:21
Do you think that Brian Floor has made the right decision because I still think Fitzpatrick should be starting from a development standpoint from a locker room standpoint, What do you think about two? A.
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Starting this weekend? Yeah, I am a big fan of history. Now.
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It's not flurries.
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You look at it.
00:44:38
The offensive coordinator down in Florida is Chan Gailey, now in 2010.
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Buffalo fans will remember Chan Gailey and Ryan Fitzpatrick were in Buffalo his first six games.
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He played with Chan Gailey nearly mirror the first six games, albeit aside from completion percentage.
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You wanna talk about yards touched? I think he had 10 to 7 touchdown Thio interception ratio.
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He has 13 to 7.
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Or he had 13 to 7 back then but has two rushing touchdowns.
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Um, hey, separated by like 35 attempts.
00:45:11
You look at the combination of gaily with Fitzpatrick in the first six games in 2010 the first six games now and the rest of the production that he had for us this season.
00:45:20
I think he had, like 55% completion percentage.
00:45:23
He threw nine touchdowns to seven picks, gaily, looked at it and said, Listen, I know this is not going to get much better right now for Ryan Fitzpatrick, even though he's playing hot right now.
00:45:32
He's a 70% completion percentage there, three and three. I understand that.
00:45:36
However, he knows it's not going to get me better, so why not make the switch for the kid right now? If you think that, too, we could finish the year with 2000 yards, attend to seven touchdown toe interception ratio and throw for 55% completions, you make the switch because it ain't getting much better for Fitzpatrick here on out.
00:45:55
So I think that it's I think they were gonna rebuild anyway and they were just trying to see what the kids got.
00:46:00
You know? Okay, now you have a veteran quarterback behind you.
00:46:04
You have a veteran play caller in front of you.
00:46:05
You have defense.
00:46:06
It seems to be getting things back on track.
00:46:08
How can you do, kid? Let's see how you can dio So e think they really wanted to test that line out.
00:46:13
That line was thrown together.
00:46:14
There's a lot of new guys on that line.
00:46:15
They want to say, Okay, um, but the one thing that that Fitzpatrick separates Fitzpatrick from to is the fact that Fitzpatrick's the guy that makes the line calls for the protections, and I don't think to.
00:46:24
It does that yet.
00:46:25
So I'm interested to see if he's able to pick that up.
00:46:28
That he's What did he learn in the first six games? First protections go to keep himself upright in that pocket.
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Right? That was a really good piece of insight that I e didn't even think about that were put together.
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E I immediately went to it because as soon as soon as gaily got signed down there like, Oh, great, reuniting with fits, it's gonna they're gonna groom to.
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That's what they're gonna dio, that's all they're gonna dio.
00:46:49
And he has come out on fire a bunch of years Now that you say that only to fade out as the season goes on.
00:46:54
Remember what he wore.
00:46:55
All of the Sean Jackson's like way to stay humble for Pixar.
00:47:01
Four touchdowns? Yeah, those characters and the Texans came out on those high school jerseys.
00:47:08
Well, that was the jackets.
00:47:10
Oh, the Letterman against the Patriots. Yeah.
00:47:13
All right.
00:47:14
Quick fire predictions for the game corner.
00:47:16
I'll start with you, man.
00:47:18
Make patriots needs from proud.
00:47:20
I always think the patriots every week, no matter what.
00:47:22
So 23 20 Patriots 20 to 20.
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Patriots Mary, what do you got? I got Allen and Newton not combining are combining for less than 500 passing yards between those two guys.
00:47:36
I think it's gonna be a 22 17 ballgame in favor of the Buffalo Bills.
00:47:39
There will be a lot of runs in this game.
00:47:41
Yeah, I was leaning towards something around 21 to 17 or 22 17 2 in favor of buffalo in a real tight went down and I don't even tell your stadiums called anymore, uh, bills, Bills stadium, Buffalo Bill, Stadium E A stadium.
00:47:56
It was It was new era, but they got rid of my kid.
00:47:58
Remember what they call it? No, I've never been.
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I haven't been down there since since all this pandemic, so I don't even know what they call it.
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Um, Mary, where can they find you and your boy? Paul, if they were trying to find you, If you can find us on YouTube at hashtag sports, you can find us on Instagram and Twitter at H tag sports as well as our website at http exports dot com were also, um we're also on iTunes and Spotify.
00:48:23
All of our post games get uploaded to iTunes.
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Spotify, if you wanna check those out.
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And we have the Thursday Night roundtable this Sunday Post game.
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Um, if you wanna become a channel member of hashtag Sports were donating 100% of our channel memberships to the Point foundation, which is Brian Mormons Foundation for Children with pediatric quit pediatric cancer.
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So we're happy to do that and extend that for the rest of the year.
00:48:48
Um, in the 2020 season.
00:48:50
So I like when video guys get charitable, Were very charitable over here to Hunter donated his whole check ones I donated.
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I matched it.
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We made a whole bunch of We wanted thio. We did it for businesses.
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We bought supplies from businesses to the support local businesses and then donated the goods to charity.
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Uh, but we didn't want to give the money to the charity to go by this.
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We wanted to make sure we supported local business and just get through the whole pandemic piece.
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Right? Well, we really appreciate you have a new I mean, that's a great thing.
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Guys, go check out hashtag heroes.
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Uh, if it's 100% ****, I'll even sign up. I won't.
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How confident do you think Pats Nation is in the Patriots this weekend? I feel like it's a very mixed bag.
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So we appreciate you haven't have you coming on with us for this next half an hour or so.
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So we might be 40 minutes or so.
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But if you got to run and put the kids to better jump through a table, I understand.
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You know, e am of the mindset that that is the dumbest thing that, uh, that gets recognized basically by the Buffalo Bills fans.
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I'd rather be recognized for wings or hot sauce or anything like that.
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But going through tables is atrocious to me.
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So you've never done it? No table jumping.
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Unfortunately, we had a bet on YouTube and if we exceeded So Maney likes, uh, my partner, Paul, who is £100 less than me, got to put me through a table, and he did.
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I live in Toronto, and I'm just like, I don't understand how, like, two hours down the road it comes from this to this e don't.
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I wish I had an explanation for it, but last I don't, uh I'm sorry I got a question for you when, um when I started talking crap.
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Both things that you've gotten saying on Twitter is that you were Paul, that I'm talking Thio.
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Mostly Paul Paul is usually the Twitter instigator on there.
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I'll usually posted statistics or any kind of updates or something like that.
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Paul is is usually one kind of doing the breaking news and kind of peppering a few memes in there every once in a while.
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So that's that's mostly Paul.
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So when he's talking about a a guy who we try like I read a tweet and it was because Mike Grable's team got caught, the Titans got caught cheating, right? Obviously, with the cove it and training.
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And you guys tweeted out like I'm so happy to see somebody on the Belichick coaching tree, you know, get nailed cheating.
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And I sat there And what? Well, that's a stretch, you know, considering that you have a coach with Belichick.
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No, it's It's the tree is that it's got many branches that said, Spawn out.
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You know, Ray, you must remember the last time I came on here, it's It's almost like there's a role reversal that happens between us because you end up talking good about the bills and I end up counting the Patriots by the end of the show.
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So if any of those other listening it's not gonna be your super super fan versus Super fan talk show, I mean, we try to take an objective approach.
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At least we do a hashtag sports and and this shows I've done with you, Ray, we've definitely done that.
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So we do.
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C East Roundtable.
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I got ambushed, and it was you and to jet fans, there wasn't even a Dolphins fan.
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Um e dolphins don't wanna show.
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And then you and I, you and I got into it, and then we got muted.
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So we got back together and said Okay, we got to do something on our own because we got muted off the show because Oh, yeah, I remember it was a Brady discussion.
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I had thio to Italian started going and we just no one else could get.
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E wasn't even either one of our shows that z part about It was it was a jet show.
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But I did.
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I did enrage the New York fans because I said that, I believe and I've been saying it since the draft that I thought that Josh Allen was the future of the A F C East.
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After Tom Brady.
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I thought that he was better than Sam Donald to a might give a run for his money now, like you know what I mean.
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Like, there might be a fight there, but at that time, I said, I think he's better than Sam Donald right now, at that point is that Donald was better.
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But Josh because Josh Allen wasn't Polish, and I said once he's policy is gonna be better, we're starting.
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I think we saw a I want to get your opinion on this from a Buffalo perspective, cause from my perspective, I saw Josh Allen taking massive leap this year, he's still Ball Security is still a bit of an issue from time to time, but I even go back to that l a game on.
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This is what I said the corner, even though I think you guys got a really cheesy pass interference penalty, uh called.
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But in fairness, you also got a terrible interception called Put against us.
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I don't understand how they call that an interception after the guy caught the ball and went to ground and it was over and he pulled the ball of saying anyhow.
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But I said, the difference between Josh Allen this year and Josh Allen last years, I don't think Josh Allen from last season takes advantage of that pass interference and throws a touchdown for the wind.
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And I think you guys let the Rams through the full come back and lose.
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Uh, do you believe he's taken that step that you guys were waiting for in Buffalo? He definitely has, Ah, stronger command of the offense and the knowledge of where guys are in certain times.
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Uh, it just seems that in the first four games, you know, the Buffalo Bills fans in the fan base, everything. They got spoiled.
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You know, a lot of teams were trying to play man to man and trying to say, Okay, Josh, let's see if you can beat us with this.
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Let's see if you could beat us with that.
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And and, you know, Vrabel was actually the guy in Tennessee that kind of left the blueprint on the table for everyone else to say, Listen, we're gonna rush for we're gonna rush three.
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We're gonna play 878 in coverage.
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You're gonna have to try to find the zones, Josh.
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And then we're gonna put somebody on you in case you decided to run.
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So, uh, you know, a lot of a lot of the two games that they lost versus Kansas City in Tennessee.
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It was a lot of gap integrity by the defensive line, trying to keep Josh in the pocket and trying to make him beat him with his arm.
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And, you know, the 1st 1st 4 games.
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Um, with Miami, the Rams, the Jets and the Raiders.
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They all tried to play a lot of man on Josh Allen, which is something when you have to find gigs Cole Beasley and John Brown.
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You just really you can't do it.
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You just can't do it.
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So I think he matured and his knowledge of the offense.
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He's checking out of a lot of plays at the line.
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You start inaudible a little bit more this year, so I think his overall understanding of the offense is something that's been different this year.
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But, um, we were at odds in Buffalo about certain play calls that go on with Brian Table in the office of coaching staff.
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So eso did you just give us your print toe win the game this week? Absolutely.
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I have no doubt that Belichick called the Vrabel Yeah, this week called Give Anything Before I go on, I was just gonna ask you, Did you take the pole? Did I know I e.
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I always get touted as a as a closet Patriots fan because I've said even since Day one since the draft, since everything was started, I said, Listen until the king of the mountain top gets knocked off, there's still the kings of the mountain top and two and four record.
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You talk about a poll being that close.
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We did it.
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We did a round table last night, and a lot of a lot of Bills fans had the game within one score.
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So they're not viewed in.
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Buffalo is a one, as as a two and 14.
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Let me just put it that way.
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Well, and I think in fairness, I mean, I don't know how much you paid attention in New England this season, but especially the last two games, and I've been screaming this from the rooftops.
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Uh, this is obviously not, you know, my I don't know my little cousins patriots, but they're not as bad as their plane the last two weeks that they're not as bad as they played the last two weeks.
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It's just unfortunate that they've now put themselves in a position where this has become a must win, because if we if we go to to where they go to two and five, Uh, and with to a starting, we don't know how things were gonna go in Miami on Buffalo jumping up that far ahead and I don't believe I believe that with the way every other team is playing in the A F.
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C right now, like you're gonna need 12 wins when the division or 12 wins to make the playoffs.
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Like I think that's the I think that's the level right now.
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So the Patriots are really at a point where they almost got to run the table.
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But let me ask you about this weekend speaking, sticking with Josh Allen.
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They're calling for 57 degrees in rain.
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Is that going to be a concern for you with Josh Allen? Because the book on him or the knock on him amongst Twitter fans, let's say, Is that bad weather games? Which is surprising for a Buffalo quarterback who's gonna play in a lot of bad weather games, right? I mean, you get similar weather, do we? Do I know what winters could be like there? Are you concerned about cold and Rain? I'm not really too concerned about it, but you know, in history usually shows everything that comes out in the wash and and and and historically has not played well in cold weather games, bad weather games, and it just seems kind of interesting.
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But when you talk about a guy who came into the league and continues to be talked about as far as accuracy issues, Um, and what he's been able to do where? Ball placement, Where he's able hitting open guys, missing open guys and stuff like that.
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So when you, uh, factor in an element of weather into that and he throws it 175 miles an hour, you're gonna have a completion percentage.
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That's less than ideal.
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So, um, I'm not really I'm not too worried about it.
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I think that this is going to be one, um, mainly in the trenches.
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I think you know, Newton or Stadium.
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Whoever starts with you and Alan, they're gonna be bystanders in this game.
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I think the running backs were gonna do most of the talking in this New England Bills matchup.
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Okay, And that is a really good point.
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And that's where I want to get.
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And let's do full disclosure for everybody.
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You called me today and I went Oh, my God.
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I forgot you're coming on the show.
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I was straight up way had corner, and I had spent, like, an hour putting the whole show together.
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And I texted back.
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I'm like, Hey, um, you told me Wait. Advanced.
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Andi, He knew we both just blanked.
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But so when we were prepping the show today and I was trying to make my art list of reasons of why the Patriots would win Um, not saying the Patriots are gonna win.
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I already admitted I was on the Bills part of that poll, but if they win, it's actually gonna have to be a passing game for the Patriots.
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And I and I went like this, but my biggest fear is you're running backs because I looked at the matchups between Buffalo and New England from the receiving standpoint and the secondary, and I kind of like it.
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You got Stefan Gilmore against digs, right? I assume Brown is gonna play.
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He's all healed up, right? J.
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C Jackson on Brown is a good matchup.
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Jonathan Jones on Beazley.
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Jones has the speed to keep up with Beazley.
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Um, you also have is, um what's his name? He's been hurt on the i R.
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Is he gonna be back this week and is he gonna be any impact on the team at all? If you talk about the guard John Feliciano or no, not Feliciano will receive you with a receiver on the I.
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R did you not way had e don't preliminary reports said.
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He's not.
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He's not back yet.
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I had to see how practice went today.
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Practice.
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A lot of guys were limited that practiced on Wednesday and did not practice today.
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So that kind of threw up a couple of red flags.
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But the offense in particular just before you get back to your your next point.
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Uh, the Buffalo offense with John Brown is a completely different animal than when he's not in the lineup.
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But we saw what happened over the past three weeks.
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The Bills didn't even break 20 in the last three weeks.
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So, yeah, the Patriots always seem to get the team when they get their players back.
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Right.
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We got Cisco after we came back.
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We get Buffalo when Brown comes back, Um in Gabriel is not a not a bad, bad body, either.
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Right? And that's that.
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That would look at Jonathan Jones, sort of pick.
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So I kind of like the matchup, not not in New England's favor, but I think our secondary could do enough to slow down the bill's passing offense, not stop it.
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You know, I mean but slow it down enough that perhaps you could hold to a couple field goals and the Patriots try to respond.
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My fear is, is right now the Buffalo Bills for yards per game, are ranked 29th in the NFL for Russian yards.
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And I said that the worst possible thing that could happen for the Patriots, who happen to be the 27th worst rush defense in the NFL, is to get beat on the ground.
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And if the running backs who are a good crew of running backs, you know how much I love your running back through.
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And so just I don't understand what's going on with them and maybe you give some insight.
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But if they get going, the Patriots are done like done this game.
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And so we that they have and the Patriots have to sell out on the run and hope their man to man coverage can pick up.
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But what's going on with the running backs right now? Yeah, I was gonna ask that, too.
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Do you think Zack Moss is taking over the job? Hey definitely adds a different element than Singletary does as far as the ground and pound Singletary's able even though he's not a burner.
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He's a guy that could hit the outside for you.
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Moss is more of a grinder in the middle.
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Get you those those tough 34 yards.
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Kind of like a I would say that they're they're they're probably comparable to, like a Sony Michelle and a James White.
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Is that Is that the comparison I would take? Not Singletary is nowhere near that.
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The receiver that why it is.
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But a Sfar is that comparison of those two guys, one guys, the hammer, one guys that you know, the guy that goes outside and he could be effective in the passing game.
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Uh, you know, you're asking me And, you know, I was confused that the Buffalo Bills when they went up against the 31st ranked, uh, defensive rush defense in the Tennessee Titans.
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They didn't run the ball.
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They didn't have a running play against the Jets until 10 minutes left in the second quarter.
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I'm not sure, and this goes back to the offensive play calling.
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I'm not sure what they're looking at, what they want to dio.
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If you want to try to go and compare these two teams even more.
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You know Josh McDaniels in the New England Patriots.
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They're known for running the Earnhardt Perkin system, the E P system, and that is something that Brian David has brought over to the Buffalo Bills.
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And the philosophy of that system is to pass the score run to win and the Buffalo Bills.
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The second half of that, they haven't been doing too much of even though they are five and two.
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They haven't been running the ball effectively in between the tackles.
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They we, the Buffalo Bills cut Quinton, Spain.
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Who was there? Hey, was he was a starting guard all 16 games last year.
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Didn't give up a sack the entire year.
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He just got sat out for Cody Ford, who was in his second year.
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And then John Feliciano, who's the starting guard, was out for a number of weeks.
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A swell with a with a peck strain.
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Uh, so you have Brian Winters.
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They cast off from New York Jets and you had, like Bond Girl who's a practice squad guy playing tackle are playing guard for you.
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And while Cody Ford wasn't playing very well a garden, he was your right tackle last year, so there's a lot of mixing up on that offensive line that the cohesiveness that you need in a good run game, which you guys know in New England, you know, resting, not he's not, didn't pass away, but Dante Scarnecchia not being there anymore.
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That is huge for the New England Patriots.
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With that, with the offensive line, you guys definitely.
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And now the offensive line in New England has has been done, done unbelievably this year, considering the hand that they've been dealt.
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I mean, there was a game where we were down to fourth stringers, and you know, the only game we really got exposed was I'd say Denver was at the game for you, Connor.
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That Denver was a rough game last week as well.
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Last week was alright, but yeah, Jo Sumi Jo Tooni went down.
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That became a little bit of a debacle because yeah, I don't think people realize how good Joe Tooni is.
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And he's played in, like, four different positions on the line this year and back all over, So he's been the only consistency.
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Now you're gonna tight ends this week, right? I hope so.
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Three other ones were just close contact Kobe.
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They weren't They didn't test positive.
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Correct? I don't believe so.
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No, I don't think they did.
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And it was It was actually Tyler.
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Kroft was the one that got saved from it.
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And also Reggie.
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Gillian, who's the practice squad? Guy would get called up.
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Um, Tyler Kroft wife gave birth to their child.
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So that's why he wasn't with the other tight ends and caught in that.
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So that's, you know, his kids.
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His kids saved him.
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So I You know what, though.
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But you know what? If you look down the history and this is the thing that always got me about about Brian table in the in his offenses is the fact that when he was an offensive coordinator in the NFL, he never really utilize titans that Well, anyway, I know he didn't have ah, lot of barn burners.
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A lot of you know, number one draft pick, sous faras. Tight ends go.
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But he never really seemed to utilize the tight end position in his offenses.
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And, you know, it was so confusing to me the fact that he was a tight ends coach in New England, the fact that he had a front row seat to Gronk and he should know how the position is supposed to be played.
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So I don't know why he doesn't utilize his position.
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They only get, like, maybe three or four targets a game.
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I don't know if that's by play design, or that's by a decision of the quarterback.
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I'm not really sure, but they do have formidable tight ends that usually try to try to help in the past game.
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You know, your you know, your tackles getting beat up a little bit.
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Let's put the tight end in there So he takes take a little bit longer route.
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We're gonna chip in with a back, who knows? But usually the tight ends and backs are used in the past game as to Chip or the block, but not really.
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In the past game, Thio catch passes and go out, so that kind of sounds like New England tight ends.
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Uh, yeah, just least you know the names.
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Your tight end.
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I think if you asked about the Patriot fans, what's the tight ends on the Patriots ago? They usually have to like 35 year old veterans, the guys who don't play? No, we've got two rookies in a third year player right now.
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And, uh, one rookie played for for five weeks and then became a healthy scratch.
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And the guy who was a healthy scratch for five weeks came in and played, and he was just a useless is the other one.
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We'll take the 35 year old veterans back.
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I'll take Ben Watson back.
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T o E would take Ben Watson.
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E.
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Come back, please.
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I don't think Delaney Walker is doing anything to you.
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Did.
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That wouldn't be bad.
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E think Antonio Gates.
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Right now, like I e you don't understand what I would do for tighter.
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No, this Patriots team is in a lot of trouble because after the first three weeks and we're two on one, I keep saying we and I just yelled at you, Connor, yesterday for saying we right, They were patriots there, too.
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And one, the Patriots of two and one could have been three, you know, you know, they're a yard away.
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I mean, Khan and I thought we came back after that Week two loss to Seattle, and we're like, this is the happiest I've been after a loss.
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I feel so good about this team, like, you know, and and then Week four, we beat Vegas.
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We see a little bit of they beat Vegas.
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We see a little bit of ruffles in the Patriots game, and then Cam Newton gets Cove it and everything goes to hell in a handbasket.
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He misses the Kansas City game.
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We realized Brian Hoyer can't play football and doesn't know how many time outs there are.
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Have any pocket awareness or when not to take a sack and when not to fumble the football and I could go on and on and on.
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Jared Stidham comes in, Everybody gets excited.
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He looks just a ****ty and things just continue on.
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And then Cam new, then the Newton's back.
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Right? Then we get him against Denver.
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Alright? They had to practices in two weeks.
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Let's give them the past on the Denver game, and then they just look awful in San Francisco, not taking the win away from San Francisco because they're a good team.
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But I've never seen a Mawr passionless, teat Patriots team and I saw against San Francisco and we're now at the point you want to hear okay, And this, we're gonna I'm gonna back myself into a compliment.
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Here is Adam likes to say, one of my my co host here on SportsCastr News.
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We're now at a point where leaders like Devin McCourty are turning to people like his brother to find out what it's like to be in this situation.
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Because since 2010 the worst position Devin McCord has ever been in is two and two.
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He's went to the Super Bowl for half of his career.
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He's never been on a losing team, so the leaders of the locker room now are the Owen 16.
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Jason McCord is the Lawrence guys.
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Even the Cam Newton is the guys who have been in bad situations.
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I have now had to step in his leaders to talkto veterans who have no idea how to lose like no, they don't lose a big game and bounce back.
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They don't know what it's like to be two and four and how you bounce back from this season, and that's where the Patriots are now.
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And it's It's a little bit of a humble brag because here's Devin McCourty, who's in his 11th season, and he's facing his first losing season ever.
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Right? How the script has flipped, though, right? I mean, this is normally like we got, you know, Buffalo.
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Now Buffalo's almost the point that we got the Patriots and I know you guys might have.
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You guys might have a little bit of Little Brother syndrome right now, just because the way it's been the last few years.
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But you beat us with Fitz Magic once.
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But God, what is I'm interested to know from a Buffalo fan perspective? Obviously.
00:27:02
I mean, I think the rivalries more heated between fans and it is between the two teams.
00:27:06
You know what is? When you guys were looking at the Patriots two and four, you looked at half the bandwagon jump and go to Tampa Bay.
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You see the rest of you know, half of the fan base that's left crying and whining, like entitled little people.
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And then you have people like Corner and I that are kind of like man, it's been 20 years like we can't complain.
00:27:26
Like, what's this? Your overall reaction to us as fans here in New England right now? Well, I could give you I could give you the typical Bills fan and I give you my own take.
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So the typical Bills fan is relishing in this moment.
00:27:39
I mean, if you would have brought any Buffalo Bills fan of Bills Mafia that that came on the show when you two were talking about alright, Buffalo.
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We gotta play Buffalo.
00:27:49
If they lose, the season's over.
00:27:51
You know, I've never heard that from a New England Patriot fan that said, Oh, if we lose the Buffalo, our season's over.
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I don't think that's been said in the past two decades.
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Yeah, right.
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My personal feeling about it is I I always thought, personally, I always thought it was more Belichick and Brady and I always thought that he was able to right the ship.
00:28:11
I mean, he came to the Patriots with two Super Bowl rings.
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So he was the guy that saw a blueprint that was laid out in front of him that knew how to do what he needed to dio, um, where do you think he got the fact, Of course, scoring at the end of the half and then getting the ball in the second half from he got that from Super Bowl 25 like you think that's a mystery or he got that, Um, the take of it is I'm or like I said at the beginning of the show, I said, Listen, until you knock the Kings off the top of the mountain, there's still the king's atop Mount.
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Don't care who your quarterback is.
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I don't care what's going on with the team.
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There's always been a do your job.
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We win here.
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We do what we have to do.
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Mantra of the New England Patriots From a Bills perspective, that's what it is like.
00:28:49
Listen, we've been getting kicked in the teeth.
00:28:51
But you know what? This team, even with Josh Allen the last two years, has still not beaten the New England Patriots.
00:28:59
And you know what? If you look, if you look over the stats over the past four games, it wasn't Brady that beat the Bills.
00:29:06
You know, if you look at the statistics up and down the board, okay, He had pretty pedestrian games, and that's not a shot at Brady.
00:29:13
I'm just saying that McDermott the defense with Frazier they have, they've kind of held him in check and let in the running backs have absolutely killed the Buffalo Bills.
00:29:20
I see that again.
00:29:22
I see the ghost of Christmas past coming up and I see the running back, the running game of the New England Patriots.
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Which is what was the fourth in the league right now? Uh, completely, you know, railroading the Buffalo Bills, who their run defense has been like a sieve.
00:29:35
So I'm terrified of this game personally, and I don't think it's gonna be a walk through our scrimmage like a lot of like, a lot of Bills fans think, because, uh, you guys have to realize something, and I'll just let you get a little insider information.
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Every Patriot fan outside array that I've met.
00:29:52
That's from Boston, that's from Maine.
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That's from from every in the New England area.
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Basically, I get along with, we have great football discussions.
00:30:00
It's awesome.
00:30:01
We go back and forth. It's a great topic of debate.
00:30:03
It's the Williamsville Patriot fans outside of Buffalo that are 20 years old.
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And let's say that the bill for Bill suck the team sucked Brady's God, and all sorts of those are the guys that usually have trouble discussing the game with eso it za to, you know, You know, I come on here and I know I'm gonna have a great back and forth with you guys.
00:30:24
But it's it's the Buffalo Patriot fans that really rile the rivalry up.
00:30:28
And it's not so much the people from New England that really rile all the Buffalo Bills fans.
00:30:34
I know there's a few, but the majority that I've become in contact with.
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It's like, Okay, you know, we beat you guys.
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But, hey, you know what? There was a time where there was a number 12 in Buffalo.
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They used to beat New England every year.
00:30:45
So I mean, it's it comes full circle all the time.
00:30:48
So and it's funny to because Connor, I think you could agree.
00:30:51
The fans that drive us the craziest to like on Twitter and stuff are never the New England area, either.
00:30:56
You know that, and I always tell people like, you know, if Toronto okay, if Toronto got a team today, I don't know if I could become a Toronto fans.
00:31:05
I've been a Patriots fan since I was like nine years old.
00:31:07
You wouldn't like back in the Bledsoe days, where Mary and I both have an affection for Drew Bledsoe.
00:31:13
Connors little younger than us.
00:31:14
So he doesn't remember the Drew Bledsoe days.
00:31:16
But remember, E.
00:31:18
But I have an affection for the Drew Bledsoe days, but, I mean, if I was like, Grew up with the Toronto football team would probably be a Toronto football team.
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Fan you e.
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Anything you wanna ask us about this game on the weekend before we get into some final predictions? I mean, you guys pretty much highlighted what? What it's gonna be like as a patriots fan looking at the Buffalo Bills.
00:35:57
What is it? I mean, is it is it so different now that okay, you're two and 14.
00:36:03
You're going against the five and two team, which is three and on the division.
00:36:07
Is it different? Looking up at the bills than it's been for 20 years, looking down at them like, is it? I mean, at some point you had you had to figure that that that the well was gonna run dry and that the pendulum is gonna swift swing to another team in the a f c East.
00:36:22
How you guys feeling with this? How you guys taken is because you seem pretty level headed.
00:36:26
So I think you guys were taken in stride right now is that I do, so I'll let himself Right now I feel like the Bills air finally smelling blood in the water for the first time in 20 years.
00:36:36
I think they know that this is the time that they really have, like, their foot in the Patriots neck.
00:36:40
And if they win this game, I think they're going to run away with the division, and I think they kind of know that.
00:36:45
So I expect the Bills to come out really fired up.
00:36:48
But at the same time, the Patriots are kind of playing for their lives.
00:36:51
So I'm sure Bill Bella checks like sleeping in his office right now trying to get a game plan ready.
00:36:55
I think it's gonna be a scrappy game.
00:36:57
I think it's gonna be low scoring.
00:36:59
They're gonna bowl, team, they're gonna run the ball a lot.
00:37:01
But yeah, it's This is a feeling we've never dealt with from the past 20 years.
00:37:05
I've come out and said the Patriots is gonna win the A F C East with the utmost confidence And now this year I'm like, Wow, they really might not.
00:37:12
For the first time since 2000 and one or the year when Brady was injured, I think that was, 08 Mhm.
00:37:19
Yeah, and they still won 11 and five of that year.
00:37:20
E didn't make the playoffs.
00:37:23
Um, yeah.
00:37:24
Look, I think that for me.
00:37:27
I saw this.
00:37:28
I mean, you and I talked about this already last year.
00:37:30
I said, It's only a matter of time until that becomes Buffalo's division, right? I could see it.
00:37:34
How good that team was on.
00:37:35
I think you came on.
00:37:36
I brought you on just after you've made the trade for Stefon Diggs.
00:37:41
And I remember saying to you, That's the move, like, that's the move right there.
00:37:45
You've got a fantastic defense.
00:37:48
You've already had a great offense.
00:37:50
You've now just You already had a guy who I actually considered a number one in Brown.
00:37:54
I know that some people think he's better in the two spot, but I think he could be a number one.
00:37:58
But you now got a legit number one with a fantastic number two with a great slot and Beasley, I, you know, you're tight ends or kind of unknowns, but they're very productive.
00:38:08
Tight ends.
00:38:09
Um, and I thought you had a running game at that time and I said, No.
00:38:12
Now we're gonna have to see how Josh Allen takes the next step.
00:38:15
I think, What, for me? Looking up a buffalo.
00:38:18
It's not mawr of looking up to you because I've been expecting this team to get better.
00:38:23
I think what happened was when Brady went to Tampa and I might have told you this.
00:38:29
I had accepted that the Patriots were going into a season of mediocrity.
00:38:33
I had accepted that.
00:38:34
We were getting to a point where, okay, where we're going into a rebuild.
00:38:38
And then they signed a former M V P at quarterback, and I think that that brought my ex and then the first three weeks of the season looks fantastic.
00:38:48
And I mean, I remember us talking Connor and going on Jesus.
00:38:52
We could have pulled that Seattle game off.
00:38:54
We would have been three and one after Kansas City.
00:38:56
We would have been, you know, going into way had all these games circled, you know? Yeah, we went through it all.
00:39:03
We had to beat Buffalo at least once.
00:39:06
We to split with Buffalo, we to sweep the rest of the division.
00:39:08
And then we put these games at San Francisco, Seattle, Kansas City, Houston, Baltimore.
00:39:13
I think we put one other in the Rams and we said, We gotta win four of those six.
00:39:17
You know, if they can win four of the six.
00:39:18
Well, now they've lost to Kansas City.
00:39:21
They've lost to Seattle.
00:39:23
Uh, they lost.
00:39:25
They lost the San Francisco.
00:39:26
Denver was a game we already had marked off is a win.
00:39:29
And then it was split with Buffalo.
00:39:32
Best case scenario.
00:39:33
Beat them in Buffalo.
00:39:34
Then we don't have to worry about the game in Gillette.
00:39:36
Eso To me.
00:39:37
It's I'm or disappointed and how it looked like the Patriots had a chance to compete with Buffalo, who I thought would still win the division even with Cam Newton.
00:39:49
Or if it did, it would come down to the last game of the season kind of thing.
00:39:53
I think the fact that it's now looking like we're not even gonna the Patriots aren't gonna put up a fight.
00:39:58
That's Mawr, the disappointing.
00:40:00
I think it's more because I got my expectations a little higher than they should have, and I wish I would.
00:40:05
I wish Jared stood him would have started.
00:40:06
I could've just kept my expectations on the floor and said, Okay, because I look at this team for 2021 they're gonna have the third highest salary cap in the league.
00:40:15
They're gonna have a pretty good They're gonna have a pretty good, you know, drafts draft picks to pick from.
00:40:21
And I mean, OK, the draft is a hit and miss with Belichick.
00:40:23
I mean, I'd rather trade out of the first, even if he had second overall and get a bunch of fifth, because that's when he seems to do his damage.
00:40:29
But one thing Belichick is really good at his free agency, right? And knowing who to pick this defined, Gilmore turned into an All Pro anywhere else.
00:40:36
I don't know. Maybe he needed that.
00:40:38
You know, you talked about how he had no stability in Buffalo.
00:40:40
It was just a new no system new system new system coming into New England and being in that system, finding what's right for him and keeping it there, it turns him into If you go somewhere else.
00:40:49
Maybe he doesn't.
00:40:50
I think Belichick's really good at finding those kind of guys in in free agency, and we've seen it time and time again, right? Where the West Welker's of the world, the Amendola's? Yeah, I felt I feel good.
00:41:01
I felt really good about this team going in 2021.
00:41:04
But now what? I want to see the rest of the season.
00:41:07
It's not so much is beat Buffalo.
00:41:08
It's I want to see Cam Newton compete against Buffalo and make me feel good that, hey, maybe we could go forward with the next two or three years with Newton is a bridge until you find that guy.
00:41:18
Yeah, I mean, I came into the season saying that the Buffalo Bills, because you look at the West, they're playing the A, F C and N F C West.
00:41:26
That's a gauntlet that is such a gauntlet.
00:41:28
So losing to those teams really isn't an insult As much as people like to think.
00:41:32
I mean, you got a lot of talent out in both West Coast, but I had the Buffalo Bills winning the division at nine and seven and the Patriots going eight mate.
00:41:39
Um, just because I thought the gauntlets could be really tough with New England adjusting with a new quarterback at the time.
00:41:45
When I made the prediction, Newton wasn't there.
00:41:47
But you're talking about Cam Newton, who? Sean McDermott had a front row seat for five years in practice every day.
00:41:53
So he's gonna know some of the tendencies that that Newton that does possess and like you mentioned to find gigs.
00:42:00
And I always called him and brown 11 a and one B.
00:42:02
You know, you talk about John Brown, Really? Blossom is a receiver last year and, you know, it was so interesting to me to think about the Cam Newton.
00:42:10
Why Cam Newton.
00:42:11
So here's what I came up with.
00:42:13
And I know you guys are pressed for time, but I want to say this You look, you look at Tom Brady and look at Josh Allen. Okay.
00:42:19
No one's ever gonna miss Take those two in a bar.
00:42:21
Okay? As far as the physique and what these guys were doing, you look at Tom Brady's production on the field.
00:42:26
You look at Josh Allen production on the field.
00:42:28
Josh Allen, You have to account for his legs.
00:42:29
You know Tom Brady really don't.
00:42:31
But he's never seen a guy maneuver around a pocket like Brady ever in the league.
00:42:35
So the two most successful guys that have run E P Systems were Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
00:42:39
Not exactly runners.
00:42:41
So then you come.
00:42:42
And you got Josh Allen, who enjoyed some mild success, albeit in an E p knockoff system that Brian Table runs in Buffalo and he's got legs.
00:42:50
Okay, maybe a light bulb went off in McDaniels and Belichick's head say, Hey, listen, Ellen was compared to Newton because the obvious Carolina connection with with Brandon being and Sean McDermott and he worked in this system, he won 10 games in this system.
00:43:05
Noone doesn't have a job right now.
00:43:06
Why don't we bring them up here? Could it work? Can you make it work? And I still think it could.
00:43:11
I mean, aside from covert, aside from things that are going on, maybe bad games that happened.
00:43:15
I understand that happens, but I'm not writing off the Patriots at all this year.
00:43:20
I mean, 32 4.
00:43:21
I know it's a uphill uphill battle, but that F C East if the Buffalo Bills were defeat the Patriots Tamar on Sunday.
00:43:30
Okay, then they have a little bit of a cushion, but it's still not a walk in the park the rest of the season.
00:43:35
You guys are about to run the gauntlet.
00:43:38
Now.
00:43:39
We really are after after this weekend.
00:43:41
I mean, you have this weekend, and then you go into the That's the only hope I hold on to is the Patriots are already knocked off half of that.
00:43:49
Really? You know, we've knocked off the Chiefs.
00:43:51
Seattle, You know we solve the Rams, but we have knocked off San Francisco like we've knocked off a big chunk.
00:43:57
The only disadvantage is you don't have to play Baltimore in the Patriots, dio, right? That's the only because of the division.
00:44:02
Your division winners.
00:44:04
Um, okay, one last subject before we call it a night.
00:44:08
We we have a mutual enemy in the division, and that's ah team down in the South who are now gonna be starting.
00:44:17
I think shockingly to attack Abiola's gonna be getting the start this weekend.
00:44:21
Do you think that Brian Floor has made the right decision because I still think Fitzpatrick should be starting from a development standpoint from a locker room standpoint, What do you think about two? A.
00:44:30
Starting this weekend? Yeah, I am a big fan of history. Now.
00:44:36
It's not flurries.
00:44:37
You look at it.
00:44:38
The offensive coordinator down in Florida is Chan Gailey, now in 2010.
00:44:44
Buffalo fans will remember Chan Gailey and Ryan Fitzpatrick were in Buffalo his first six games.
00:44:49
He played with Chan Gailey nearly mirror the first six games, albeit aside from completion percentage.
00:44:56
You wanna talk about yards touched? I think he had 10 to 7 touchdown Thio interception ratio.
00:45:02
He has 13 to 7.
00:45:03
Or he had 13 to 7 back then but has two rushing touchdowns.
00:45:07
Um, hey, separated by like 35 attempts.
00:45:11
You look at the combination of gaily with Fitzpatrick in the first six games in 2010 the first six games now and the rest of the production that he had for us this season.
00:45:20
I think he had, like 55% completion percentage.
00:45:23
He threw nine touchdowns to seven picks, gaily, looked at it and said, Listen, I know this is not going to get much better right now for Ryan Fitzpatrick, even though he's playing hot right now.
00:45:32
He's a 70% completion percentage there, three and three. I understand that.
00:45:36
However, he knows it's not going to get me better, so why not make the switch for the kid right now? If you think that, too, we could finish the year with 2000 yards, attend to seven touchdown toe interception ratio and throw for 55% completions, you make the switch because it ain't getting much better for Fitzpatrick here on out.
00:45:55
So I think that it's I think they were gonna rebuild anyway and they were just trying to see what the kids got.
00:46:00
You know? Okay, now you have a veteran quarterback behind you.
00:46:04
You have a veteran play caller in front of you.
00:46:05
You have defense.
00:46:06
It seems to be getting things back on track.
00:46:08
How can you do, kid? Let's see how you can dio So e think they really wanted to test that line out.
00:46:13
That line was thrown together.
00:46:14
There's a lot of new guys on that line.
00:46:15
They want to say, Okay, um, but the one thing that that Fitzpatrick separates Fitzpatrick from to is the fact that Fitzpatrick's the guy that makes the line calls for the protections, and I don't think to.
00:46:24
It does that yet.
00:46:25
So I'm interested to see if he's able to pick that up.
00:46:28
That he's What did he learn in the first six games? First protections go to keep himself upright in that pocket.
00:46:33
Right? That was a really good piece of insight that I e didn't even think about that were put together.
00:46:39
E I immediately went to it because as soon as soon as gaily got signed down there like, Oh, great, reuniting with fits, it's gonna they're gonna groom to.
00:46:47
That's what they're gonna dio, that's all they're gonna dio.
00:46:49
And he has come out on fire a bunch of years Now that you say that only to fade out as the season goes on.
00:46:54
Remember what he wore.
00:46:55
All of the Sean Jackson's like way to stay humble for Pixar.
00:47:01
Four touchdowns? Yeah, those characters and the Texans came out on those high school jerseys.
00:47:08
Well, that was the jackets.
00:47:10
Oh, the Letterman against the Patriots. Yeah.
00:47:13
All right.
00:47:14
Quick fire predictions for the game corner.
00:47:16
I'll start with you, man.
00:47:18
Make patriots needs from proud.
00:47:20
I always think the patriots every week, no matter what.
00:47:22
So 23 20 Patriots 20 to 20.
00:47:26
Patriots Mary, what do you got? I got Allen and Newton not combining are combining for less than 500 passing yards between those two guys.
00:47:36
I think it's gonna be a 22 17 ballgame in favor of the Buffalo Bills.
00:47:39
There will be a lot of runs in this game.
00:47:41
Yeah, I was leaning towards something around 21 to 17 or 22 17 2 in favor of buffalo in a real tight went down and I don't even tell your stadiums called anymore, uh, bills, Bills stadium, Buffalo Bill, Stadium E A stadium.
00:47:56
It was It was new era, but they got rid of my kid.
00:47:58
Remember what they call it? No, I've never been.
00:48:00
I haven't been down there since since all this pandemic, so I don't even know what they call it.
00:48:04
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