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Today is Wednesday, October 28th.
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I'm gonna be honest with you.
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Is it because of the Patriots? That's one reason.
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But as I've said on numerous occasions were like the fan base that has no right to be upset or whine and complain about anything.
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Very true.
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Uh, no, dude, I was I've been at a virtual conference all week.
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It's a conference I usually go away for with my job.
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Like I should be drunk right now.
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I should be off now.
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Nine o'clock is the big dinners.
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And, you know, this is when we started drinking wine before we start getting to the hard stuff.
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But you know, I'm at home.
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It's kind of sunny today.
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It was raining yesterday.
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You guys, I'll probably saw on Twitter.
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I was presenting at that conference yesterday.
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It's just not the same then, you know, staying in a hotel and having a good time for a few days.
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But it is what it is.
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And then I have too much idle time and I was tweeting and you saw and we talked.
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I got lit up on Twitter today, and it's like, you know, it's just one of those things, right? It's just one of those things.
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So you and Doug kid in a rivalry now? No, we're fine.
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I called him out on something.
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He called me out back, and then everybody else interjected, You know what? Always weird me out, though.
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And I don't know if I talk to you about this.
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I've talked to other people about it.
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It always weird's me out when people hate me, um, and like me, like as a person.
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But there's people out there that legitimately hate me as a person and legitimately like me as a person, and it always wears me out because, like I don't get any sort of emotional attachment to a figure online or on television or whatever.
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And in the online world, there's like a really small handful of people who know me.
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You Tyson over at master at work on YouTube, Um, and then, like the guys in the group chat Rhino, MK chicken Summers Joe, you know, like Ted like there's only really, like a really small crew and then, obviously the SportsCastr news crew, because we work together.
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But there's only like this really small little group of people who know me online.
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So I'm like, I don't understand how you have an opinion on me, whether you hate me or like me, how you come up with these personal pins when you don't.
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My online persona is very similar to my outside persona, but you and I have a lot of deeper conversations about how who I am and who you are as a person that we don't have on air, right? Absolutely so I don't know.
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It always just weird me out, like I've never felt that kind of strong emotion, you know, about ah, public figure or anything of that.
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Like that nature, it always wears me out when people either like, consider me a friend or, um or hate me like, actually hate me as a person.
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So I'm like, you know, guys like the one who thinks I'm a friend that way don't know each other.
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Man, you shouldn't have those kind of feelings about me, right? And it's kind of crazy man when people get all angry on Twitter about like you're saying people they don't even know.
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But it happens all the time.
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Twitter could be like a serious successful.
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I don't know if it's like that on every other social media platform, but sometimes I think it's just a spot for people to let out their frustration in life.
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Instagram seems to be like the best one for, But then I heard for the younger kids, it's like a real bullying ground.
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Oh, really? I'm a little old, so I'm not on instagram that much.
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I mean, I have like the DPM commentary, one which, and you speak dear fascination with DPM commentary, and then I literally have one for my dog, and it's just so my mother could see pictures of my dog.
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So it's, you know, I barely dio instagram instagrams on my thing.
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I love Twitter, even though even though it can be assessed pool.
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I like Twitter because you and I met on Twitter, right? There's There's a lot of good things about Twitter.
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That's very true.
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Alright, man, people have been watching for seven minutes and 50 seconds listening for seven mins 50 seconds.
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That's true.
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We're probably boring them to death.
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Eso Look, man, a lot of talk about Stefan Gilmore.
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Ah, lot.
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Ah, lot, a lot, A lot.
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And I mean, before even all stories about his house being up for sale and that kind of stuff is that confirmed through it seems to be right.
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It seems to be I've been trying.
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I can't find a credible like I can't find, uh, like an Adam chef there or something.
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Yeah, or an Ian Rapoport.
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I mean, you're before it came out this morning.
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I think he was on the Greg Hill show and basically said, You know, the rumors that he's hearing now are the ones he heard back in August.
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He thinks those of the old rumors he doesn't He hasn't heard anything new being discussed.
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Um, something came out that Gilmore only attended, like four of the Patriots volunteer off season program, which was all virtual.
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But there was contract issues with him, and but he got a raise.
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And so I don't know.
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I don't know exactly what's going on, but I threw.
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We threw out to Twitter Poll to Pass Nation because we wanted to know what their thoughts were right, and it said the Patriots game, this son I wrote the Patriot game This Sunday versus the Bills will be the Patriots biggest game of the season.
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If the worst happened and they they lose and dropped to two and five, should Bill Belichick consider trading Stefan Gilmore, 72.
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5 of the recipients are people who voted said yes.
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Yeah, that's a massive, massive number.
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Now I have Ah, I've been formulated my opinion as the state goes on, and I think I have a pretty good logic to it all now, but I want to get your opinion first.
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Are you a part of that 72.
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5 or you apart? Of the 27.
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5 who said no, no, I was part of the 72.
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5 that said Yes, I just think at that point and I'm just gonna say two and five just sounds so ugly.
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I really hope they don't drop to a two and five record.
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That's just a Bismol star.
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And so on.
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Patriot like.
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But if they dio, I think at this point you kind of have to admit that we're playing for next season.
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Not this season, because you can really only lose five or six games right now in this league and if they already have five and we're only seven games and their chances of doing anything is almost non existent.
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So if they're able to get something good back for Stefan Gilmore, I also think they're very deep at the position.
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I think it would honestly be a good move.
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As much as I like Stefan Gilmore, I think it would be more beneficial to move them than to keep them at that point.
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Okay, I'm not opposed to trading aways too far. Gilmore.
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I'm opposed to trading him away before the trade deadline.
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Yeah, who's gonna want It's the farm Gilmore right now.
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Not the New York Giants, not the New York Jets.
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It's gonna be teams who consider themselves Super Bowl contenders.
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Who wants to find Gilmar? What if you trade it? What if you trade him to a Tampa Bay? Let's just let's just use them as an example and they go to the NFC championship game.
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You're getting like the 30th pick first upon Gilmore.
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So you might they get a first round pick for him.
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I think they could definitely get a first round.
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But if you're getting the 30th, 31st, 32nd, 27th, right? I mean, that's almost a second round pick.
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Yep, I would wait till the offseason.
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You still have him under contract for a year.
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You're gonna have to eat salary cap and dead cap. Anyhow.
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If that's the case, then I'm sitting there looking at it going.
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Wait until after this.
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What? What does it hurt to keep him here and trade them in the off season? Right.
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Do you think his value might go down in the off season, though, because my concern is that somebody who is a contender right now, or somebody who's even on the bubble, who's looking for that One more piece and they say, Hey, we really just need a lock down corner.
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We wants to farm Gilmore.
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They might be willing thio it.
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Maybe even over pay to try and get him.
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Now, what do you think is his words gonna be about the same? But you're over paying, but you're not getting premium picks.
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Even if you get a first rounder 1st, 1st rounder, you're not getting a premium.
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I'm looking at a team like the New York Giants who if if you know, they seem hell bent that Daniel Jones is their guy and they want to move forward with him, right? They believe in Daniel Jones.
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Well, if you believe in Daniel Jones and you get the second overall pick, which is a premium spot for a quarterback, and the Patriots come in and say, Hey, we'll give you our whatever 15th pick or whatever it may be.
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And Stefan Gilmore, you give us that number two and your second or you know what I mean or your 3rd and 4th or whatever you know, packaged.
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Belichick wants to put a part.
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The Patriots could move up to the second overall pick, and Johnson Fields is the new quarterback of the Patriots.
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Or I just think that there's opportunity to doom or with the pick in the offseason around draft time.
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Then there is to do it now because I think you're going to get Yeah, it's gonna be similar.
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To what? What? What? The Rams gave up for Jalen Ramsey.
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That's what I believe, but I just believe you're not getting premium picks for it.
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Why not Just what you have.
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It's not like Joe Tooni, a guy I would trade before the trade deadline.
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But now he's I don't know what is going on with this injury problem.
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But if you decided you weren't going to go forward with him next season and I hope they do, it would be a guy like Joe Tooni.
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Right? Joe Tune is on that.
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He's on the what's it called, where they only get him for one year.
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One of my franchise franchise tag? Yeah, so he's got no contract.
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Afternoon, right? I hope that the Patriots try to keep him and try to work on a deal in the offseason and try to sign up.
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But if Belichick is in there now, going like you know what, like I mean what he did for this offensive line this year And where the way he moved to center, he played some tackle.
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You know, he's gonna want even more money than he wanted last year.
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Uh, eso if Bill Belichick turns around, goes, I'm never gonna be able to pay this kind of guy, or I'm not gonna be willing to pay this kind of got this guy that kind of money he's gonna want.
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He's the kind of player I try to move the trade deadline, and you could get a big package of picks for him.
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Uh, for a competitive team who wants to shore up their offensive line.
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I like a team like Arizona, you know who have offensive line problems.
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I could see that right now.
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I think they gave up picks for DeAndre Hopkins, But, uh, you know, maybe they have a package or, you know, does Brady do they look at Brady's offensive line and say, Hey, we need a Joe to me.
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But he's also coming Like, what, 15 million and salary or something? Yeah.
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Yes, it's definitely in that range.
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It's got to be a team, and Gilmore is coming with 15 as well.
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So don't forget your also treating team.
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I'd much rather wait until the offseason and try to move him in the off season.
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Because if the Patriots didn't have control, then I would say you gotta move him this year because he's gonna walk.
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You're gonna lose him for nothing in a losing season, right? That's kind of where they're at with Joe to me.
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But, yes, you're more still under contract.
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Whereas you could move him.
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And I mean, I think that the other piece of this, too, is and I got it.
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I'm just looking up here.
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They're gonna have to pay Jaycee Jackson at some point.
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Yeah, and I think it could be Yeah, JC Jackson's an r f A.
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After this.
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Yeah, So you're gonna have to pay him after this season.
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So you could either go in and resign both of them because I think that the way they structured Gilmore's contract, it's gonna be worth, like, 16 or, like, 6.
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9 million next year or something like that.
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So they're definitely gonna he's gonna want he's gonna wanna make more than six million.
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And I also want to throw out too.
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Did you know that? I know everybody's talking about how bads to find Gilmore is plain.
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He's averaging 30 yards per game this season.
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Yes, yeah, it looks bad because he's been so good.
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But it's not bad or by any other standards.
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And if you take away the Seattle game, he's averaging 20 yards of offense, right? Per game.
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It was really just D. K.
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Metcalf.
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Yeah, that was just a disgusting game that DK had, and he makes a lot of people look stupid on.
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That was the second game of the year in a weird, no preseason, no riel camp type of year.
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And a lot of that DK was just so much bigger and stronger than him that he just, like, took the ball away from him.
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Basically, yeah, I think he played so freakish last year that people are the expectations just went too high for him this season.
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Like, um, it's hard to repeat the type of year that he does that he had last season.
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And I mean, look, it's really funny how fast people turned on him.
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I mean, I was hard when he when he first came to New England, but I would say after weeks six he started lighting up huge part of the A C championship game.
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Then he's an All Pro in 2018.
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He could have been Super Bowl M V P.
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He's an all pro and defensive player of the year, not last year.
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Suddenly, all the comments I've seen is like he's playing like ask this year.
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They use different words, but I'm just can't swear he's playing like ask this here.
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It's time to move on from him.
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And I'm like someone like What? You know, Um, I I don't think there's any harm in keeping Stefan Gilmore on this team.
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And then if you do, if if that's your decision, you want to move him moving in the offseason, right? Right.
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That does make sense because now that you put that, they also have a lot better idea of what they're gonna be getting in return, because right now you don't know what direction these teams are gonna go in.
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So you don't know if you're going to get the 11th pick of the 23rd pick at this point.
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Exactly.
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So the first one is one that you had sent over to me.
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We're already talking about a bit, which I was kind of surprised about.
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I have a few things going on this, but the Patriots are what we heard from Devin McCourty reaching out to guys who have been on losing teams and kind of asking how they climb out of this hole, which, after a three game losing streak, which hasn't happened since 2000 and two.
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Ah, lot of these guys, if they've been on the Patriots for a while, have never dealt with losing like this.
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So what do you think? So Devin McCourty was drafted in 2000 and 10.
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It's now 2000 and 20 so half his career he has went to the Super Bowl his entire career.
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He's made the playoffs.
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The worst record the Patriots ever had in his career was two and two.
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Suddenly, they're sitting here with a two and four record.
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Knowing that this game coming up on Sunday is this is do or die for them, Really.
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And there goes the season type of deal, right? That's the dagger.
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A lot of these Patriot players haven't dealt with this, so yeah, you know, it's you know how they talk about playoff experience.
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These guys are now teaching losing experience, you know, help dealt with it.
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You know, here's how we dug ourselves out of holes on three game losing streaks because Matthew Slater never would have dealt with this McCord.
00:20:46
He never would have dealt with this, you know, to me, uh, David and I mean, last year was the first year I think David Andrews career that he didn't go to a Super Bowl or something like that.
00:20:54
You know what I mean? Like, it's, It's These guys have just been so used to winning.
00:20:58
J.
00:20:59
C.
00:21:00
Jackson came in and what, 2017? So he went Super Bowl, Super Bowl, you know, playoffs.
00:21:06
Now Thio, you know, And I think like your Alec, Stefan Gilmore could help because of his time in Buffalo.
00:21:12
It makes a lot of sense to me like you turn to experienced winners in other areas.
00:21:17
Why wouldn't you turn to your losers and be like, Hey, how do we cope with this mentally? Because this is a a part of our game we've never had to deal with before, right? And what do you think it is that they need to do other than play? Better to climb out of this, They just have to play better, right? Here's my thing, the Patriots or not as bad as their plane.
00:21:38
I don't care what anybody tells me that way.
00:21:40
We've seen good games out of them.
00:21:42
That's what drives me nuts.
00:21:44
If they've been battle along, I would be more like they're just not a good team, but we've seen them look really good on defense.
00:21:50
We've seen them look really good on offense.
00:21:52
Why have they just stunk for the past three weeks is what I don't get.
00:21:56
Well, let me read something that vicariously Patriots put up on Twitter because I found it interesting, he says.
00:22:03
Been reading a lot of people questioning what happened after week to the answer is the Patriots stopped playing the defense and he wrote the Seahawks.
00:22:10
We're giving up 368 passing yards per game.
00:22:13
They're giving up.
00:22:14
28 PPG, on average, are points per game on average.
00:22:19
The fewest points Seattle gave up was 23 to Miami.
00:22:22
Cam Newton was on pace for 1 31 versus the 40 Niners.
00:22:26
Cam Newton is averaging 150 passing yards per game minus week, too.
00:22:31
Is it not more likely that Cam Newton's 397 yards was a product of Seattle's poor passing defense and not Cam Newton? Cam did have a clear dropped pick six and weak to Now, this is Joe going after Cam Newton and I.
00:22:46
What I want to say there is is I mean, if we're not going to ignore that, the receivers were getting wide open in Week two as well.
00:22:53
That's another big piece of the puzzle.
00:22:56
Um, I was really impressed with Jacoby Meyers last week, and they need to get him involved in the game.
00:23:04
And I don't know why he's been out of the game plan.
00:23:07
After he had a pretty impressive debut last year.
00:23:11
They brought him in and he was able to connect with Cam Newton and with Jared Stidham.
00:23:15
When he was out there, he seemed to be the only receiver.
00:23:17
Dude, this is a year that Philip Door set would have been a big guy to get himself some separation, right? It's like and I know that like people pick these like couple little isolated versions of games and go like look, guys, air wide open.
00:23:33
But for the most part, when you watch the tape receivers air not getting open the tight ends air not getting involved, I'm telling you, Tom Brady's numbers wouldn't be that much better.
00:23:43
No, no, they they weren't.
00:23:45
They weren't that much better last year and last year, I think.
00:23:48
Believe it or not, the offense was somehow better than it is now because Julian Edelman at least got some sort of separation.
00:23:55
They, at least had they at least had Philip Door set to Kobe Myers.
00:24:00
Somewhat got involved.
00:24:01
I mean, this kid, they're just even worse on offense.
00:24:03
And then they had Josh Gordon for a little bit right, which made a difference.
00:24:07
So, yeah, it's That's my whole opinion on that piece is the whole team has been playing bad.
00:24:15
The whole both sides of the ball have been have been terrible.
00:24:18
And again, I know that people want to find a scapegoat.
00:24:21
Everybody wants to blame Cam Newton, but obviously did not everybody, because the Twitter poll from yesterday's showed.
00:24:26
It's not everybody or from two days ago.
00:24:28
So it's not everybody, but it's Cam.
00:24:32
Newton is not the only problem on the Patriots.
00:24:34
There's a lot of Patriot.
00:24:35
The offensive line has been a problem the last couple of weeks, more because of shifting an injury, the receivers, the tight ends, uh, the secondary and the defense has been giving up major passes, dropping obvious pick sixes.
00:24:50
I think it's really unfair just to pick on Cam Newton and say he's the biggest problem on the Patriots right now when it's collectively the entire team, right and now, Cam Newton is one of these people who have played on losing teams.
00:25:02
I mean, if we go back, so I think it was 2015.
00:25:05
He went to the Super Bowl, and then there were years with the Panthers that they never even made the playoffs.
00:25:09
Do you think him having both perspectives of being a very winning team? And also it's team that's not even a playoff contender will help him right now? I wish that I could bring a Panthers fan on here to ask him a couple of questions, because what I don't know is that Cam Newton ever play this bad where he was this bad in Carolina.
00:25:31
I don't remember.
00:25:32
I didn't watch all the games, But I've been watching the NFL very closely, and I never remember Cam Newton being this bad as he's been the past couple of weeks.
00:25:40
No, and Cam's always been a guy in the spotlight, so I think if he was this bad, we would have heard about it.
00:25:46
So that's my whole piece like, I don't even know if he's been in this situation where he's playing this terrible how to pull himself out of it like he is.
00:25:54
He's playing awful.
00:25:55
I think that Bill Belichick on Sunday coming out and right away saying, Cam is my starter next week.
00:26:01
It was huge for Cam Newton from an ego boost from a confidence builder.
00:26:05
The coach still believes in you.
00:26:08
Um and I mean, Belichick didn't hesitate.
00:26:10
He just said, Of course, it wasn't like that little laugh when they asked to, you know, when Brady was gonna you know what, Brady get bench.
00:26:16
And he went on e mean like, it was, you know, eyes Cam Newton gonna be a starter.
00:26:21
Of course he is.
00:26:22
And I thought that was huge for them, but I don't know how they pull out of it.
00:26:25
And I mean, look, Matthew Slater came out publicly and talked about how they didn't have the right attitude and the right, you know, And I was like, Jesus, like, you know, for a guy like Slater to come out and make that a public comment, don't fool yourself.
00:26:39
He ran that by Bill Belichick or Bill Belichick told him to say that publicly, so some of those guys could sit in that room and say, ****, look what slate is saying right now, like if Slate is saying this, it's a problem And that's what I've seen out of the Patriots, which is what I've never seen before.
00:26:54
They just looked flat.
00:26:55
They've looked emotionless.
00:26:57
They honestly look like they're not putting in their best effort.
00:27:00
They have no heart out there in the past couple games and they're just trying to get and ran over and there.
00:27:05
I don't want to say okay with it, but it's just like there's no there's been no fighting them these past couple of weeks.
00:27:11
No, there hasn't been any fight it all.
00:27:13
And it will be interesting to see how they do things going forward and how they and how they pull themselves out of this rut.
00:27:20
But yeah, no, 100% correct it, Zbynek a bad stretch and, uh, you know, And if they're turning to guys like Jason McCord and saying, Hey, man, how do we pull ourselves out of this? I think you know, in 16 season with Cleveland.
00:27:34
Yeah, he did.
00:27:35
So how do you keep yourself mentally prepared and ready? I mean, it's not a bad thing.
00:27:41
I mean, lean on every tool that you have, especially going into this weekend.
00:27:45
This is the biggest game of the year for us, right? This for them.
00:27:48
I don't like saying us.
00:27:49
You and I have nothing to do with the New England Patriots, right? Like how? Perform E c Hear people say we, we we I say it sometimes like it's not We don't have anything to do with the on field product.
00:28:01
Uh, yeah.
00:28:03
So it will be very, very interesting Thio to see how they pull across because it's gonna be a huge game on Sunday.
00:28:09
I think it's gonna be from right out the gate.
00:28:10
They need to come out and score immediately.
00:28:12
I hope they get the ball first.
00:28:14
I'd love to see them run the hurry up and just try and go right to the line and just keep keep the Buffalo Bills on their heels all game.
00:28:21
Because also, I feel like they're just very slow, slow coming out of the huddle, slow getting to the line.
00:28:27
It just seems like they have no sense of urgency, and I want to see the exact opposite.
00:28:32
I was reading something today and I can't remember where I read it, but it was Josh McDaniels talking about how they're going to get back to basics, you know, basically work with Cam Newton.
00:28:45
What do you like to do? Let's practice what you like to do.
00:28:48
Let's run what you like to do.
00:28:49
What do you as receivers like to do? What do you as an offensive line like to do like they're really bringing this thing back? And I think we could see a very I think we could see a very basic offense and basic defense like we saw against the Miami Dolphins.
00:29:04
A week one.
00:29:05
Yeah, and now you think that they're going to try and play defense, run the football and keep Josh and I went on the sidelines.
00:29:11
Uh, I don't know anymore.
00:29:14
Yeah, we've seen in their best of time.
00:29:18
The first of all, the Patriots are always going to game plan for who they're playing, and unfortunately, I mean, let's look at the I'll pull up the steps we talked, but unfortunately, the Buffalo Bills are a well rounded team on, and that's a concern.
00:29:35
If you're the New England Patriots.
00:29:36
So defensively their 14th in the league for yards their 11th and passed, you know what They're 11 27 on its New England sorry, their 13th in the league, actually their 15th, Buffalo's 15th in the league against the past and 21st against the run.
00:29:52
So I guess you're gonna try to run the football on them and try to do it that way right like that.
00:29:58
That will probably be your best.
00:30:01
Your your best way to go about things, right? Right? Yeah, absolutely.
00:30:07
And it's just crazy, man to even think that they could be dropped into two and five.
00:30:12
I honestly can't remember the last time that they had that ugly.
00:30:16
Have a record.
00:30:17
I'm assuming it was probably 2000, right PRI Tom Brady.
00:30:20
I guess you weren't watching in 2000.
00:30:22
In 2000, I was, but in 2000 I was nine years old.
00:30:26
So it's not something.
00:30:27
It's not something that I remember or I would have gotten that upset about because I was in, like, the fourth grade.
00:30:34
You know what I mean? I was like a great eight or great nine at that time, so I was I really understood football at that point.
00:30:40
I really started understanding football in 97.
00:30:43
I think That's the first year they went to the Super Bowl.
00:30:45
I remember my dad being remember watching with.
00:30:47
I started getting football in 97.
00:30:50
By the time 2000 rolled around, I got football, right, So I feel like it wasn't until I was in 5th, 6th grade, which is when Tom Brady really came on that I actually understood how the game works and was actually a watch and pay attention and become like a real fan.
00:31:04
So it just aligned in that perfect time.
00:31:06
And, uh, I forget.
00:31:09
I know everyone thinks I look really old.
00:31:12
I I always get guest to be a lot older than I am.
00:31:16
But I have a trivia question for you here regarding the Patriots losses here.
00:31:21
When was the last time that they lost three games in a row? Oh, okay.
00:31:31
Can I ask, Can I ask a question to try toe? Was Pete Carroll the coach? No, Bill Belichick.
00:31:38
Bill Belichick was the coach.
00:31:40
Yeah.
00:31:42
02 02 It was 02 When they went nine and seven, they lost three games in a row.
00:31:47
And who were those three quarterbacks that beat them? A couple of these air riel throwbacks.
00:31:55
No pain, no pain.
00:31:56
And no, no Peyton Pennington.
00:32:01
No, Only one of the guys.
00:32:03
They're still in the lead, the other two a long gone.
00:32:06
One of the guys is still in the league.
00:32:08
Yeah, as a quarterback, not as a quarterback, as the starter, as a starter.
00:32:13
Different team.
00:32:14
Drew Brees against the Chargers.
00:32:16
Drew Brees when he played for the charges.
00:32:18
Yeah, Brett Farve.
00:32:20
Brett Farve was another one yet, but five.
00:32:22
And Drew Brees.
00:32:23
Okay, We beat Peyton that year.
00:32:25
I guess, uh, were the cold still needs.
00:32:29
He's another.
00:32:30
Who was the other quarterback? Jay Fiedler.
00:32:32
Oh, feeler Jay Fiedler.
00:32:34
How long do you think he's been out of the league for a long time? He's an announcer now, isn't he? I think he is.
00:32:41
Yeah, right.
00:32:42
So he's been gone that long, but that shows.
00:32:45
And Brett Farve? Obviously he looks like he's 100 now.
00:32:48
That shows how long it's been since this team has lost three games in a row.
00:32:52
You know what, 18 years? I got to say, though everybody always talks about like Brady and his longevity.
00:33:01
Drew Brees always for Drew Brees.
00:33:02
We always forget how long.
00:33:04
Drew Brees has been in the league like that's insane.
00:33:06
Right? Because Drew Brees did this way before back when he was on the Chargers.
00:33:11
Yeah, it was Drew.
00:33:12
Please also won the Dolphins.
00:33:13
Or am I making that up? You're making that up.
00:33:15
I'm making that up, okay? I don't know why I thought that it was the Chargers and then the Saints.
00:33:20
That's it.
00:33:21
I think now I might look stupid.
00:33:23
Wes Welker was on the Dolphins.
00:33:24
Wes Welker was definitely on the Dolphins, and he never did anything really on the Dolphins before he came to New England.
00:33:30
E mean, he was solid, but he was never like he never called 100 passes like he did every year when he came here.
00:33:37
So Drew Brees entered the league one year after Tom Brady. He came in in 2001.
00:33:41
He was dropped in 2001 with the second pick first start in the second round 36.
00:33:46
He was the 32nd overall pick.
00:33:49
You wanna know what's funny is like all the first picks usually don't end up being the best guys.
00:33:56
The first overalls. Yeah.
00:33:59
Yeah, Peyton was one mm.
00:34:02
Trying to think of other first round first overalls that really like my whole Mahomes wasn't the first overall.
00:34:10
He was 10th overall.
00:34:11
Yeah.
00:34:12
Jackson, Jack Ma Jackson.
00:34:16
He wasn't first overall.
00:34:17
32nd.
00:34:19
Yep.
00:34:21
I'm sure there's a couple in there that are gonna make his bang our heads, I guess. You know Andrew luck.
00:34:25
Never. You know, he did well, but never really.
00:34:27
You know, injuries became an issue for him, really early into his career.
00:34:31
Michael Vick.
00:34:32
He was the first overall, wasn't he? Uh, I think so, Yeah.
00:34:36
There are also a few absolute duds like JaMarcus Russell.
00:34:40
Cameron Newton.
00:34:42
He was the number one overall.
00:34:44
Was he? Could have been. Yeah.
00:34:47
He was the number one overall.
00:34:49
Cam Newton was the I think he was the Heisman Trophy winner that year.
00:34:52
He was a stud from the start, though.
00:34:54
A soon as he came in the league.
00:34:55
Yeah, he was the first overall pick in 2011 2011.
00:34:59
Wow.
00:35:00
12 years after Tom Brady drafted, she's I know on.
00:35:05
And now here we are with him starting for the Patriots.
00:35:08
Who would have thought? Yeah, and, uh, G's those those Brady that my dad said to me yesterday.
00:35:13
Those Brady to grant passes.
00:35:15
It's just like watching the Patriots New Jersey.
00:35:18
It was slow start for them.
00:35:20
They both looked awful.
00:35:21
Week one.
00:35:22
I don't think Gronk caught a pass and, like he hadn't done anything.
00:35:25
And now it's like the past couple weeks.
00:35:26
They look like they're back to their world cells.
00:35:28
Week six was his first touchdown pass of the season.
00:35:32
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:35:34
But now it's like he's targeting them all the time over on SportsCastr news.
00:35:37
Joe and I and Lawrence all talked about this whole off season.
00:35:41
We expected a slow start from Tampa being a brand new team and trying to get in with Tom Brady.
00:35:46
And, you know, and now they got Antonio Brown.
00:35:48
Chris, looks like Chris Godwin's gonna be out for a bit.
00:35:51
But as Bruce, areas like to call it, They have the insurance policy, right? Yeah, They've had a lot of insurance policies.
00:35:59
They got Mike Evans.
00:36:00
They got Scotty Miller.
00:36:01
They got Gronk outside of Gronk.
00:36:02
They have Cameron break.
00:36:04
Um, what's his name? Got injured, right? O J.
00:36:07
Howard.
00:36:08
Yeah.
00:36:10
Yeah, but they Yeah, seriously, It's like they have an insurance policy at every position, including running Bacca's well, they have for that. They have Jones.
00:36:21
I saw somebody, right? Some of the other day today.
00:36:23
It maybe it was a tweet and said, you know, send Edelman toe Tampa Bay do him a solid.
00:36:29
I was like, Is he gonna fit? He's not gonna dress in Tampa Bay like he's gonna be a healthy scratch.
00:36:34
Like, where is Julian Edelman gonna carve a spot out for himself? They're not gonna take any of those receivers off the field for Julian Edelman.
00:36:41
From what I'm looking at right now, he would be the fifth receiver on the team, right? Mike Evans, Goodwin, Scotty Miller would before Scotty Miller.
00:36:52
Then you've got Antonio Brown gravy in there.
00:36:55
So it's e don't think I don't even I don't know what would would struggle to dress on Terra right now.
00:37:01
They wouldn't really see the field unless Tom Brady would say, you have to address.
00:37:06
Yeah, Yeah.
00:37:07
You have to let my friend play, you know, whatever.
00:37:10
Jesus.
00:37:11
Anything pressing before we call it a night.
00:37:15
The Patriots are gonna win Sunday.
00:37:17
Maybe hopefully save it for tomorrow.
00:37:20
Tonight's poll we're gonna be putting out.
00:37:21
We're gonna be putting out tonight's poll on about, uh, 15 minutes or so, and it's gonna be straight up who wins this weekend.
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How you doing? Oh, just living the dream on this in the dream.
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You know which Wednesday It's Wednesday.
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We talked about this yesterday.
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You thought it was Wednesday? Yesterday? Today is Wednesday.
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Today is Wednesday, October 28th.
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We should always give the 28.
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Yes, since people are you know, since people do all different, you know, they download the podcast and that kind of thing, which you can get on Spotify.
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Now, Don't not forget, you can get that on Spotify.
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But you know what, dude? It Z I'm a little depressed this week.
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I'm gonna be honest with you.
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Is it because of the Patriots? That's one reason.
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But as I've said on numerous occasions were like the fan base that has no right to be upset or whine and complain about anything.
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Very true.
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Uh, no, dude, I was I've been at a virtual conference all week.
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It's a conference I usually go away for with my job.
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Like I should be drunk right now.
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I should be off now.
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Nine o'clock is the big dinners.
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And, you know, this is when we started drinking wine before we start getting to the hard stuff.
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But you know, I'm at home.
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It's kind of sunny today.
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It was raining yesterday.
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You guys, I'll probably saw on Twitter.
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I was presenting at that conference yesterday.
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It's just not the same then, you know, staying in a hotel and having a good time for a few days.
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But it is what it is.
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And then I have too much idle time and I was tweeting and you saw and we talked.
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I got lit up on Twitter today, and it's like, you know, it's just one of those things, right? It's just one of those things.
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So you and Doug kid in a rivalry now? No, we're fine.
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I called him out on something.
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He called me out back, and then everybody else interjected, You know what? Always weird me out, though.
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And I don't know if I talk to you about this.
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I've talked to other people about it.
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It always weird's me out when people hate me, um, and like me, like as a person.
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But there's people out there that legitimately hate me as a person and legitimately like me as a person, and it always wears me out because, like I don't get any sort of emotional attachment to a figure online or on television or whatever.
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And in the online world, there's like a really small handful of people who know me.
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You Tyson over at master at work on YouTube, Um, and then, like the guys in the group chat Rhino, MK chicken Summers Joe, you know, like Ted like there's only really, like a really small crew and then, obviously the SportsCastr news crew, because we work together.
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But there's only like this really small little group of people who know me online.
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So I'm like, I don't understand how you have an opinion on me, whether you hate me or like me, how you come up with these personal pins when you don't.
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My online persona is very similar to my outside persona, but you and I have a lot of deeper conversations about how who I am and who you are as a person that we don't have on air, right? Absolutely so I don't know.
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It always just weird me out, like I've never felt that kind of strong emotion, you know, about ah, public figure or anything of that.
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Like that nature, it always wears me out when people either like, consider me a friend or, um or hate me like, actually hate me as a person.
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So I'm like, you know, guys like the one who thinks I'm a friend that way don't know each other.
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Man, you shouldn't have those kind of feelings about me, right? And it's kind of crazy man when people get all angry on Twitter about like you're saying people they don't even know.
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But it happens all the time.
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Twitter could be like a serious successful.
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I don't know if it's like that on every other social media platform, but sometimes I think it's just a spot for people to let out their frustration in life.
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Instagram seems to be like the best one for, But then I heard for the younger kids, it's like a real bullying ground.
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Oh, really? I'm a little old, so I'm not on instagram that much.
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I mean, I have like the DPM commentary, one which, and you speak dear fascination with DPM commentary, and then I literally have one for my dog, and it's just so my mother could see pictures of my dog.
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So it's, you know, I barely dio instagram instagrams on my thing.
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I love Twitter, even though even though it can be assessed pool.
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I like Twitter because you and I met on Twitter, right? There's There's a lot of good things about Twitter.
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That's very true.
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Alright, man, people have been watching for seven minutes and 50 seconds listening for seven mins 50 seconds.
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That's true.
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We're probably boring them to death.
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Eso Look, man, a lot of talk about Stefan Gilmore.
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Ah, lot.
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Ah, lot, a lot, A lot.
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And I mean, before even all stories about his house being up for sale and that kind of stuff is that confirmed through it seems to be right.
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It seems to be I've been trying.
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I can't find a credible like I can't find, uh, like an Adam chef there or something.
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Yeah, or an Ian Rapoport.
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I mean, you're before it came out this morning.
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I think he was on the Greg Hill show and basically said, You know, the rumors that he's hearing now are the ones he heard back in August.
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He thinks those of the old rumors he doesn't He hasn't heard anything new being discussed.
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Um, something came out that Gilmore only attended, like four of the Patriots volunteer off season program, which was all virtual.
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But there was contract issues with him, and but he got a raise.
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And so I don't know.
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I don't know exactly what's going on, but I threw.
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We threw out to Twitter Poll to Pass Nation because we wanted to know what their thoughts were right, and it said the Patriots game, this son I wrote the Patriot game This Sunday versus the Bills will be the Patriots biggest game of the season.
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If the worst happened and they they lose and dropped to two and five, should Bill Belichick consider trading Stefan Gilmore, 72.
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5 of the recipients are people who voted said yes.
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Yeah, that's a massive, massive number.
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Now I have Ah, I've been formulated my opinion as the state goes on, and I think I have a pretty good logic to it all now, but I want to get your opinion first.
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Are you a part of that 72.
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5 or you apart? Of the 27.
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5 who said no, no, I was part of the 72.
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5 that said Yes, I just think at that point and I'm just gonna say two and five just sounds so ugly.
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I really hope they don't drop to a two and five record.
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That's just a Bismol star.
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And so on.
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Patriot like.
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But if they dio, I think at this point you kind of have to admit that we're playing for next season.
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Not this season, because you can really only lose five or six games right now in this league and if they already have five and we're only seven games and their chances of doing anything is almost non existent.
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So if they're able to get something good back for Stefan Gilmore, I also think they're very deep at the position.
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I think it would honestly be a good move.
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As much as I like Stefan Gilmore, I think it would be more beneficial to move them than to keep them at that point.
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Okay, I'm not opposed to trading aways too far. Gilmore.
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I'm opposed to trading him away before the trade deadline.
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Yeah, who's gonna want It's the farm Gilmore right now.
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Not the New York Giants, not the New York Jets.
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It's gonna be teams who consider themselves Super Bowl contenders.
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Who wants to find Gilmar? What if you trade it? What if you trade him to a Tampa Bay? Let's just let's just use them as an example and they go to the NFC championship game.
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You're getting like the 30th pick first upon Gilmore.
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So you might they get a first round pick for him.
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I think they could definitely get a first round.
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But if you're getting the 30th, 31st, 32nd, 27th, right? I mean, that's almost a second round pick.
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Yep, I would wait till the offseason.
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You still have him under contract for a year.
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You're gonna have to eat salary cap and dead cap. Anyhow.
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If that's the case, then I'm sitting there looking at it going.
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Wait until after this.
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What? What does it hurt to keep him here and trade them in the off season? Right.
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Do you think his value might go down in the off season, though, because my concern is that somebody who is a contender right now, or somebody who's even on the bubble, who's looking for that One more piece and they say, Hey, we really just need a lock down corner.
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We wants to farm Gilmore.
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They might be willing thio it.
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Maybe even over pay to try and get him.
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Now, what do you think is his words gonna be about the same? But you're over paying, but you're not getting premium picks.
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Even if you get a first rounder 1st, 1st rounder, you're not getting a premium.
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I'm looking at a team like the New York Giants who if if you know, they seem hell bent that Daniel Jones is their guy and they want to move forward with him, right? They believe in Daniel Jones.
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Well, if you believe in Daniel Jones and you get the second overall pick, which is a premium spot for a quarterback, and the Patriots come in and say, Hey, we'll give you our whatever 15th pick or whatever it may be.
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And Stefan Gilmore, you give us that number two and your second or you know what I mean or your 3rd and 4th or whatever you know, packaged.
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Belichick wants to put a part.
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The Patriots could move up to the second overall pick, and Johnson Fields is the new quarterback of the Patriots.
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Or I just think that there's opportunity to doom or with the pick in the offseason around draft time.
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Then there is to do it now because I think you're going to get Yeah, it's gonna be similar.
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To what? What? What? The Rams gave up for Jalen Ramsey.
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That's what I believe, but I just believe you're not getting premium picks for it.
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Why not Just what you have.
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It's not like Joe Tooni, a guy I would trade before the trade deadline.
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But now he's I don't know what is going on with this injury problem.
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But if you decided you weren't going to go forward with him next season and I hope they do, it would be a guy like Joe Tooni.
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Right? Joe Tune is on that.
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He's on the what's it called, where they only get him for one year.
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One of my franchise franchise tag? Yeah, so he's got no contract.
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Afternoon, right? I hope that the Patriots try to keep him and try to work on a deal in the offseason and try to sign up.
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But if Belichick is in there now, going like you know what, like I mean what he did for this offensive line this year And where the way he moved to center, he played some tackle.
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You know, he's gonna want even more money than he wanted last year.
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Uh, eso if Bill Belichick turns around, goes, I'm never gonna be able to pay this kind of guy, or I'm not gonna be willing to pay this kind of got this guy that kind of money he's gonna want.
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He's the kind of player I try to move the trade deadline, and you could get a big package of picks for him.
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Uh, for a competitive team who wants to shore up their offensive line.
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I like a team like Arizona, you know who have offensive line problems.
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I could see that right now.
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I think they gave up picks for DeAndre Hopkins, But, uh, you know, maybe they have a package or, you know, does Brady do they look at Brady's offensive line and say, Hey, we need a Joe to me.
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But he's also coming Like, what, 15 million and salary or something? Yeah.
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Yes, it's definitely in that range.
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It's got to be a team, and Gilmore is coming with 15 as well.
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So don't forget your also treating team.
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I'd much rather wait until the offseason and try to move him in the off season.
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Because if the Patriots didn't have control, then I would say you gotta move him this year because he's gonna walk.
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You're gonna lose him for nothing in a losing season, right? That's kind of where they're at with Joe to me.
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But, yes, you're more still under contract.
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Whereas you could move him.
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And I mean, I think that the other piece of this, too, is and I got it.
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I'm just looking up here.
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They're gonna have to pay Jaycee Jackson at some point.
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Yeah, and I think it could be Yeah, JC Jackson's an r f A.
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After this.
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Yeah, So you're gonna have to pay him after this season.
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So you could either go in and resign both of them because I think that the way they structured Gilmore's contract, it's gonna be worth, like, 16 or, like, 6.
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9 million next year or something like that.
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So they're definitely gonna he's gonna want he's gonna wanna make more than six million.
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And I also want to throw out too.
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Did you know that? I know everybody's talking about how bads to find Gilmore is plain.
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He's averaging 30 yards per game this season.
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Yes, yeah, it looks bad because he's been so good.
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But it's not bad or by any other standards.
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And if you take away the Seattle game, he's averaging 20 yards of offense, right? Per game.
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It was really just D. K.
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Metcalf.
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Yeah, that was just a disgusting game that DK had, and he makes a lot of people look stupid on.
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That was the second game of the year in a weird, no preseason, no riel camp type of year.
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And a lot of that DK was just so much bigger and stronger than him that he just, like, took the ball away from him.
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Basically, yeah, I think he played so freakish last year that people are the expectations just went too high for him this season.
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Like, um, it's hard to repeat the type of year that he does that he had last season.
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And I mean, look, it's really funny how fast people turned on him.
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I mean, I was hard when he when he first came to New England, but I would say after weeks six he started lighting up huge part of the A C championship game.
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Then he's an All Pro in 2018.
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He could have been Super Bowl M V P.
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He's an all pro and defensive player of the year, not last year.
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Suddenly, all the comments I've seen is like he's playing like ask this year.
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They use different words, but I'm just can't swear he's playing like ask this here.
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It's time to move on from him.
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And I'm like someone like What? You know, Um, I I don't think there's any harm in keeping Stefan Gilmore on this team.
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And then if you do, if if that's your decision, you want to move him moving in the offseason, right? Right.
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That does make sense because now that you put that, they also have a lot better idea of what they're gonna be getting in return, because right now you don't know what direction these teams are gonna go in.
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So you don't know if you're going to get the 11th pick of the 23rd pick at this point.
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Exactly.
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All right, man.
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So the first one is one that you had sent over to me.
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We're already talking about a bit, which I was kind of surprised about.
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I have a few things going on this, but the Patriots are what we heard from Devin McCourty reaching out to guys who have been on losing teams and kind of asking how they climb out of this hole, which, after a three game losing streak, which hasn't happened since 2000 and two.
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Ah, lot of these guys, if they've been on the Patriots for a while, have never dealt with losing like this.
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So what do you think? So Devin McCourty was drafted in 2000 and 10.
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It's now 2000 and 20 so half his career he has went to the Super Bowl his entire career.
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He's made the playoffs.
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The worst record the Patriots ever had in his career was two and two.
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Suddenly, they're sitting here with a two and four record.
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Knowing that this game coming up on Sunday is this is do or die for them, Really.
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A loss of the Bills could is basically the death sentence.
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And there goes the season type of deal, right? That's the dagger.
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A lot of these Patriot players haven't dealt with this, so yeah, you know, it's you know how they talk about playoff experience.
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These guys are now teaching losing experience, you know, help dealt with it.
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You know, here's how we dug ourselves out of holes on three game losing streaks because Matthew Slater never would have dealt with this McCord.
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He never would have dealt with this, you know, to me, uh, David and I mean, last year was the first year I think David Andrews career that he didn't go to a Super Bowl or something like that.
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You know what I mean? Like, it's, It's These guys have just been so used to winning.
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J.
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C.
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Jackson came in and what, 2017? So he went Super Bowl, Super Bowl, you know, playoffs.
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Now Thio, you know, And I think like your Alec, Stefan Gilmore could help because of his time in Buffalo.
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It makes a lot of sense to me like you turn to experienced winners in other areas.
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Why wouldn't you turn to your losers and be like, Hey, how do we cope with this mentally? Because this is a a part of our game we've never had to deal with before, right? And what do you think it is that they need to do other than play? Better to climb out of this, They just have to play better, right? Here's my thing, the Patriots or not as bad as their plane.
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I don't care what anybody tells me that way.
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We've seen good games out of them.
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That's what drives me nuts.
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If they've been battle along, I would be more like they're just not a good team, but we've seen them look really good on defense.
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We've seen them look really good on offense.
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Why have they just stunk for the past three weeks is what I don't get.
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Well, let me read something that vicariously Patriots put up on Twitter because I found it interesting, he says.
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Been reading a lot of people questioning what happened after week to the answer is the Patriots stopped playing the defense and he wrote the Seahawks.
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We're giving up 368 passing yards per game.
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They're giving up.
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28 PPG, on average, are points per game on average.
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The fewest points Seattle gave up was 23 to Miami.
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Cam Newton was on pace for 1 31 versus the 40 Niners.
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Cam Newton is averaging 150 passing yards per game minus week, too.
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Is it not more likely that Cam Newton's 397 yards was a product of Seattle's poor passing defense and not Cam Newton? Cam did have a clear dropped pick six and weak to Now, this is Joe going after Cam Newton and I.
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What I want to say there is is I mean, if we're not going to ignore that, the receivers were getting wide open in Week two as well.
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That's another big piece of the puzzle.
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Um, I was really impressed with Jacoby Meyers last week, and they need to get him involved in the game.
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And I don't know why he's been out of the game plan.
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After he had a pretty impressive debut last year.
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They brought him in and he was able to connect with Cam Newton and with Jared Stidham.
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When he was out there, he seemed to be the only receiver.
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Dude, this is a year that Philip Door set would have been a big guy to get himself some separation, right? It's like and I know that like people pick these like couple little isolated versions of games and go like look, guys, air wide open.
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But for the most part, when you watch the tape receivers air not getting open the tight ends air not getting involved, I'm telling you, Tom Brady's numbers wouldn't be that much better.
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No, no, they they weren't.
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They weren't that much better last year and last year, I think.
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Believe it or not, the offense was somehow better than it is now because Julian Edelman at least got some sort of separation.
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They, at least had they at least had Philip Door set to Kobe Myers.
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Somewhat got involved.
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I mean, this kid, they're just even worse on offense.
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And then they had Josh Gordon for a little bit right, which made a difference.
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So, yeah, it's That's my whole opinion on that piece is the whole team has been playing bad.
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The whole both sides of the ball have been have been terrible.
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And again, I know that people want to find a scapegoat.
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Everybody wants to blame Cam Newton, but obviously did not everybody, because the Twitter poll from yesterday's showed.
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It's not everybody or from two days ago.
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So it's not everybody, but it's Cam.
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Newton is not the only problem on the Patriots.
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There's a lot of Patriot.
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The offensive line has been a problem the last couple of weeks, more because of shifting an injury, the receivers, the tight ends, uh, the secondary and the defense has been giving up major passes, dropping obvious pick sixes.
00:24:50
I think it's really unfair just to pick on Cam Newton and say he's the biggest problem on the Patriots right now when it's collectively the entire team, right and now, Cam Newton is one of these people who have played on losing teams.
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I mean, if we go back, so I think it was 2015.
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He went to the Super Bowl, and then there were years with the Panthers that they never even made the playoffs.
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Do you think him having both perspectives of being a very winning team? And also it's team that's not even a playoff contender will help him right now? I wish that I could bring a Panthers fan on here to ask him a couple of questions, because what I don't know is that Cam Newton ever play this bad where he was this bad in Carolina.
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I don't remember.
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I didn't watch all the games, But I've been watching the NFL very closely, and I never remember Cam Newton being this bad as he's been the past couple of weeks.
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No, and Cam's always been a guy in the spotlight, so I think if he was this bad, we would have heard about it.
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So that's my whole piece like, I don't even know if he's been in this situation where he's playing this terrible how to pull himself out of it like he is.
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He's playing awful.
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I think that Bill Belichick on Sunday coming out and right away saying, Cam is my starter next week.
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It was huge for Cam Newton from an ego boost from a confidence builder.
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The coach still believes in you.
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Um and I mean, Belichick didn't hesitate.
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He just said, Of course, it wasn't like that little laugh when they asked to, you know, when Brady was gonna you know what, Brady get bench.
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And he went on e mean like, it was, you know, eyes Cam Newton gonna be a starter.
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Of course he is.
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And I thought that was huge for them, but I don't know how they pull out of it.
00:26:25
And I mean, look, Matthew Slater came out publicly and talked about how they didn't have the right attitude and the right, you know, And I was like, Jesus, like, you know, for a guy like Slater to come out and make that a public comment, don't fool yourself.
00:26:39
He ran that by Bill Belichick or Bill Belichick told him to say that publicly, so some of those guys could sit in that room and say, ****, look what slate is saying right now, like if Slate is saying this, it's a problem And that's what I've seen out of the Patriots, which is what I've never seen before.
00:26:54
They just looked flat.
00:26:55
They've looked emotionless.
00:26:57
They honestly look like they're not putting in their best effort.
00:27:00
They have no heart out there in the past couple games and they're just trying to get and ran over and there.
00:27:05
I don't want to say okay with it, but it's just like there's no there's been no fighting them these past couple of weeks.
00:27:11
No, there hasn't been any fight it all.
00:27:13
And it will be interesting to see how they do things going forward and how they and how they pull themselves out of this rut.
00:27:20
But yeah, no, 100% correct it, Zbynek a bad stretch and, uh, you know, And if they're turning to guys like Jason McCord and saying, Hey, man, how do we pull ourselves out of this? I think you know, in 16 season with Cleveland.
00:27:34
Yeah, he did.
00:27:35
So how do you keep yourself mentally prepared and ready? I mean, it's not a bad thing.
00:27:41
I mean, lean on every tool that you have, especially going into this weekend.
00:27:45
This is the biggest game of the year for us, right? This for them.
00:27:48
I don't like saying us.
00:27:49
You and I have nothing to do with the New England Patriots, right? Like how? Perform E c Hear people say we, we we I say it sometimes like it's not We don't have anything to do with the on field product.
00:28:01
Uh, yeah.
00:28:03
So it will be very, very interesting Thio to see how they pull across because it's gonna be a huge game on Sunday.
00:28:09
I think it's gonna be from right out the gate.
00:28:10
They need to come out and score immediately.
00:28:12
I hope they get the ball first.
00:28:14
I'd love to see them run the hurry up and just try and go right to the line and just keep keep the Buffalo Bills on their heels all game.
00:28:21
Because also, I feel like they're just very slow, slow coming out of the huddle, slow getting to the line.
00:28:27
It just seems like they have no sense of urgency, and I want to see the exact opposite.
00:28:32
I was reading something today and I can't remember where I read it, but it was Josh McDaniels talking about how they're going to get back to basics, you know, basically work with Cam Newton.
00:28:45
What do you like to do? Let's practice what you like to do.
00:28:48
Let's run what you like to do.
00:28:49
What do you as receivers like to do? What do you as an offensive line like to do like they're really bringing this thing back? And I think we could see a very I think we could see a very basic offense and basic defense like we saw against the Miami Dolphins.
00:29:04
A week one.
00:29:05
Yeah, and now you think that they're going to try and play defense, run the football and keep Josh and I went on the sidelines.
00:29:11
Uh, I don't know anymore.
00:29:14
Yeah, we've seen in their best of time.
00:29:18
The first of all, the Patriots are always going to game plan for who they're playing, and unfortunately, I mean, let's look at the I'll pull up the steps we talked, but unfortunately, the Buffalo Bills are a well rounded team on, and that's a concern.
00:29:35
If you're the New England Patriots.
00:29:36
So defensively their 14th in the league for yards their 11th and passed, you know what They're 11 27 on its New England sorry, their 13th in the league, actually their 15th, Buffalo's 15th in the league against the past and 21st against the run.
00:29:52
So I guess you're gonna try to run the football on them and try to do it that way right like that.
00:29:58
That will probably be your best.
00:30:01
Your your best way to go about things, right? Right? Yeah, absolutely.
00:30:07
And it's just crazy, man to even think that they could be dropped into two and five.
00:30:12
I honestly can't remember the last time that they had that ugly.
00:30:16
Have a record.
00:30:17
I'm assuming it was probably 2000, right PRI Tom Brady.
00:30:20
I guess you weren't watching in 2000.
00:30:22
In 2000, I was, but in 2000 I was nine years old.
00:30:26
So it's not something.
00:30:27
It's not something that I remember or I would have gotten that upset about because I was in, like, the fourth grade.
00:30:34
You know what I mean? I was like a great eight or great nine at that time, so I was I really understood football at that point.
00:30:40
I really started understanding football in 97.
00:30:43
I think That's the first year they went to the Super Bowl.
00:30:45
I remember my dad being remember watching with.
00:30:47
I started getting football in 97.
00:30:50
By the time 2000 rolled around, I got football, right, So I feel like it wasn't until I was in 5th, 6th grade, which is when Tom Brady really came on that I actually understood how the game works and was actually a watch and pay attention and become like a real fan.
00:31:04
So it just aligned in that perfect time.
00:31:06
And, uh, I forget.
00:31:09
I know everyone thinks I look really old.
00:31:12
I I always get guest to be a lot older than I am.
00:31:16
But I have a trivia question for you here regarding the Patriots losses here.
00:31:21
When was the last time that they lost three games in a row? Oh, okay.
00:31:31
Can I ask, Can I ask a question to try toe? Was Pete Carroll the coach? No, Bill Belichick.
00:31:38
Bill Belichick was the coach.
00:31:40
Yeah.
00:31:42
02 02 It was 02 When they went nine and seven, they lost three games in a row.
00:31:47
And who were those three quarterbacks that beat them? A couple of these air riel throwbacks.
00:31:55
No pain, no pain.
00:31:56
And no, no Peyton Pennington.
00:32:01
No, Only one of the guys.
00:32:03
They're still in the lead, the other two a long gone.
00:32:06
One of the guys is still in the league.
00:32:08
Yeah, as a quarterback, not as a quarterback, as the starter, as a starter.
00:32:13
Different team.
00:32:14
Drew Brees against the Chargers.
00:32:16
Drew Brees when he played for the charges.
00:32:18
Yeah, Brett Farve.
00:32:20
Brett Farve was another one yet, but five.
00:32:22
And Drew Brees.
00:32:23
Okay, We beat Peyton that year.
00:32:25
I guess, uh, were the cold still needs.
00:32:29
He's another.
00:32:30
Who was the other quarterback? Jay Fiedler.
00:32:32
Oh, feeler Jay Fiedler.
00:32:34
How long do you think he's been out of the league for a long time? He's an announcer now, isn't he? I think he is.
00:32:41
Yeah, right.
00:32:42
So he's been gone that long, but that shows.
00:32:45
And Brett Farve? Obviously he looks like he's 100 now.
00:32:48
That shows how long it's been since this team has lost three games in a row.
00:32:52
You know what, 18 years? I got to say, though everybody always talks about like Brady and his longevity.
00:33:01
Drew Brees always for Drew Brees.
00:33:02
We always forget how long.
00:33:04
Drew Brees has been in the league like that's insane.
00:33:06
Right? Because Drew Brees did this way before back when he was on the Chargers.
00:33:11
Yeah, it was Drew.
00:33:12
Please also won the Dolphins.
00:33:13
Or am I making that up? You're making that up.
00:33:15
I'm making that up, okay? I don't know why I thought that it was the Chargers and then the Saints.
00:33:20
That's it.
00:33:21
I think now I might look stupid.
00:33:23
Wes Welker was on the Dolphins.
00:33:24
Wes Welker was definitely on the Dolphins, and he never did anything really on the Dolphins before he came to New England.
00:33:30
E mean, he was solid, but he was never like he never called 100 passes like he did every year when he came here.
00:33:37
So Drew Brees entered the league one year after Tom Brady. He came in in 2001.
00:33:41
He was dropped in 2001 with the second pick first start in the second round 36.
00:33:46
He was the 32nd overall pick.
00:33:49
You wanna know what's funny is like all the first picks usually don't end up being the best guys.
00:33:56
The first overalls. Yeah.
00:33:59
Yeah, Peyton was one mm.
00:34:02
Trying to think of other first round first overalls that really like my whole Mahomes wasn't the first overall.
00:34:10
He was 10th overall.
00:34:11
Yeah.
00:34:12
Jackson, Jack Ma Jackson.
00:34:16
He wasn't first overall.
00:34:17
32nd.
00:34:19
Yep.
00:34:21
I'm sure there's a couple in there that are gonna make his bang our heads, I guess. You know Andrew luck.
00:34:25
Never. You know, he did well, but never really.
00:34:27
You know, injuries became an issue for him, really early into his career.
00:34:31
Michael Vick.
00:34:32
He was the first overall, wasn't he? Uh, I think so, Yeah.
00:34:36
There are also a few absolute duds like JaMarcus Russell.
00:34:40
Cameron Newton.
00:34:42
He was the number one overall.
00:34:44
Was he? Could have been. Yeah.
00:34:47
He was the number one overall.
00:34:49
Cam Newton was the I think he was the Heisman Trophy winner that year.
00:34:52
He was a stud from the start, though.
00:34:54
A soon as he came in the league.
00:34:55
Yeah, he was the first overall pick in 2011 2011.
00:34:59
Wow.
00:35:00
12 years after Tom Brady drafted, she's I know on.
00:35:05
And now here we are with him starting for the Patriots.
00:35:08
Who would have thought? Yeah, and, uh, G's those those Brady that my dad said to me yesterday.
00:35:13
Those Brady to grant passes.
00:35:15
It's just like watching the Patriots New Jersey.
00:35:18
It was slow start for them.
00:35:20
They both looked awful.
00:35:21
Week one.
00:35:22
I don't think Gronk caught a pass and, like he hadn't done anything.
00:35:25
And now it's like the past couple weeks.
00:35:26
They look like they're back to their world cells.
00:35:28
Week six was his first touchdown pass of the season.
00:35:32
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:35:34
But now it's like he's targeting them all the time over on SportsCastr news.
00:35:37
Joe and I and Lawrence all talked about this whole off season.
00:35:41
We expected a slow start from Tampa being a brand new team and trying to get in with Tom Brady.
00:35:46
And, you know, and now they got Antonio Brown.
00:35:48
Chris, looks like Chris Godwin's gonna be out for a bit.
00:35:51
But as Bruce, areas like to call it, They have the insurance policy, right? Yeah, They've had a lot of insurance policies.
00:35:59
They got Mike Evans.
00:36:00
They got Scotty Miller.
00:36:01
They got Gronk outside of Gronk.
00:36:02
They have Cameron break.
00:36:04
Um, what's his name? Got injured, right? O J.
00:36:07
Howard.
00:36:08
Yeah.
00:36:10
Yeah, but they Yeah, seriously, It's like they have an insurance policy at every position, including running Bacca's well, they have for that. They have Jones.
00:36:21
I saw somebody, right? Some of the other day today.
00:36:23
It maybe it was a tweet and said, you know, send Edelman toe Tampa Bay do him a solid.
00:36:29
I was like, Is he gonna fit? He's not gonna dress in Tampa Bay like he's gonna be a healthy scratch.
00:36:34
Like, where is Julian Edelman gonna carve a spot out for himself? They're not gonna take any of those receivers off the field for Julian Edelman.
00:36:41
From what I'm looking at right now, he would be the fifth receiver on the team, right? Mike Evans, Goodwin, Scotty Miller would before Scotty Miller.
00:36:52
Then you've got Antonio Brown gravy in there.
00:36:55
So it's e don't think I don't even I don't know what would would struggle to dress on Terra right now.
00:37:01
They wouldn't really see the field unless Tom Brady would say, you have to address.
00:37:06
Yeah, Yeah.
00:37:07
You have to let my friend play, you know, whatever.
00:37:10
Jesus.
00:37:11
Anything pressing before we call it a night.
00:37:15
The Patriots are gonna win Sunday.
00:37:17
Maybe hopefully save it for tomorrow.
00:37:20
Tonight's poll we're gonna be putting out.
00:37:21
We're gonna be putting out tonight's poll on about, uh, 15 minutes or so, and it's gonna be straight up who wins this weekend.
00:37:28
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