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00:00:27
and we are back with a fresh Wednesday.
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Oh, GP, where of course I am.
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Adam are in Britain.
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Over there is the healthy, wealthy and wise Andy Mackiewicz.
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Can you just Can you just shut up? Adam, can you just shut up and let me answer for once? Here, the answer is no.
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Okay.
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No, I'm not. I'm not doing good. Okay.
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Ouch.
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I don't I don't love it, sir.
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I don't love the response.
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And quite frankly, it's no way to handle the media.
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Listen, it's getting bad in Dallas.
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My friends went when Jerry's not happy anymore.
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And he's yelling and screaming at a reporter for a good question. Whoa.
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It's getting brutal down there in Dallas.
00:01:06
Do you? Uh, the leadership problem? Is there a leadership problem on this podcast? Is that what you're asking me? Handy if you're asking me, there's a leadership problem, I'll tell you right now.
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No, there's not a leadership problem.
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That's what I know about.
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It's It's always great when they ask you if there's a leadership problem, you tell the person to shut up.
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That usually is a good interaction when you're thinking like who's read, who's leading this ship, And, uh, it looks to be pretty rudderless in Dallas at the moment.
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You were asking me, uh, who's in charge here? I just wanted to let you know you can shut your mouth right now.
00:01:34
Okay, How about that for How about that, for starters, do I look like I have a problem? I like.
00:01:38
Listen, unfortunately, as we as we'll get into this year, and just so you know, friends, we're going to go ahead and touch on the division.
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Overall is the whole coming off some weekend games that continue to muddle what the outlook is in the NFC East.
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We're also going to look at roster moves.
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A potential roster moves for Big Blue along the way, but it's man.
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When you talk about just the general, I don't know State of the franchises in the division when you are the Dallas Cowboys.
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And even though you have Jerry Jones and then his son is, I think, in the shadows ready to take over.
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As long as Jerry Jones is kind of the figurehead there, it's really hard to get a grasp on on what that organization wants to do or where they want to go, It's It's weird to have had relative success for a team and then also feel like there's no stability like it's a very it's a It's a beautiful dance that they're doing in Dallas.
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It's actually amazing when you think about it.
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The fact that they've had consistency at the ownership level, Um, they had consistency at the head coaching level, but they weren't pleased with it, even though they were having moderate success.
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But in Dallas, when you call yourself America's team, you expect to be competing for Super Bowls every year.
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And Jason Garrett, going ate and ate and making the playoffs kind of put lipstick on it when in fact, this team has a lot of warts.
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And as you're seeing now with Mike McCarthy, take over.
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The offense seems to have figured something out, especially when you've spent all that money on offense and the defense is in shambles when you just decide not to address it and go for luxury positions like wide receiver in the first round.
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Well, by the way, remember going back to the past off season, some fans said, and this isn't even a con.
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People that thought it was a least an option that should have been explored.
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The idea of Mike McCarthy returning back to the NFL and the Giants a lot of fan base said we should at least have them in for an interview, have these discussions and I don't know if this is a is a referendum on his return to coaching.
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But you tend to think right when you end up when you end up basically being told, Hey, we're gonna go ahead and part ways with you in Green Bay and you have one of the all time greatest quarterbacks there.
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Something has to have de evolved there.
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Even if it was just Hey, we want a change of pace.
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We want to switch it up here in our organization.
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That's fine.
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You take a little sabbatical from the NFL and then when you come back, it's just I I worry about this across all sports, you know, old mentalities or just the expectation of I'm going to do it like I used to do it there.
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That's a very hard blueprint just to transfer over, especially when it's like Hey, what don't you have? And we know what the dak Prescott injury But you don't have an Aaron Rodgers here to cover up a lot of maybe what your deficiencies are in terms of a coaching and organizational control kind of standpoint, and then you have someone like Jerry Jones over your shoulder.
00:04:22
It makes it very difficult to to find a path forward in a season when now you're dealing with injuries as well.
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Well, for the Cowboys they came into this offseason thinking they were still 100% in win now mode.
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You know, a lot of pundits had them winning the NFC East, you know, going away.
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Potential Super Bowl team.
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Dark horse, potentially.
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And so it made sense to look at someone like Mike McCarthy, who has experience, who has won a Super Bowl championship, who has had big time quarterbacks and has, you know, coached in big time playoff games.
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Completely understood.
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I really like, you know, the Giants pick of Joe Judge, even though the Giants aren't winning games, is looking better and better for what the Giants are trying to dio.
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They are identifying that they are in a rebuild.
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There's no two ways about it.
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They are learning and growing with Joe.
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Judge as he's learning and growing and figuring out how to be a head coach in this league.
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So the Giants, I feel like, are actually a step ahead of Dallas in terms of of this rebuild, because they've at least admitted it.
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They have kind of the coach that's going to guide them through the next couple of years.
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Whereas Dallas still thinks like if that comes back, they could find a way to compete.
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And that puts them in a really dangerous spot.
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And just as a final footnote before we get into some obviously direct Giants related conversations here on the podcast, the Who do they have there at the offensive coordinator? If I say it's who Who's Dallas is O.
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C.
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It's Kellen Moore.
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Kelly Moore.
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I was okay. I don't want I don't want to speak out of turn.
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I feel like that's probably the safety valve quote unquote that Jerry Jones in terms of the head, I think that if he always quote unquote fall off, your flight is correlated you.
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You could potentially see that one and done, and they just elevate Kelly Moore.
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It doesn't mean it's for, you know, the better of this roster, but they're going.
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They're going to be in a bit of a pivot mode.
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And when you think you have when now aspirations, it makes those type of moves a little more easy to push the panic.
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But not so we'll keep an eye on it.
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Sounds like it's dysfunctional, and that makes me pretty happy.
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So I feel good about that.
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We're gonna get into roster moves for the Giants that we we came in last week, obviously, on Friday broke down the Thursday night loss.
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And then we did not make our appearance on Monday morning because, quite frankly, it was sad.
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There was no Giants football. On Sunday.
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We watched the Redskins.
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Excuse me, the Washington football team.
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Go ahead and take care of the Dallas Cowboys, which now puts the Eagles in the division lead 2 to 4 and one.
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And just as a friendly tip of that to the fan bases, every team in the Mrs for a surplus for a point of being actually in second place There, that's Washington at minus 30 to the Philadelphia Eagles lead the division with a point differential of minus 33.
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That's kind of where we're at in the NFC East.
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Where, by the way, Dallas just or is at least I don't if it's 100 finalized, but all but finalized that ever seen Griffin is being moved out the door.
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They're so a bit of the white flag being waved.
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Potentially, though, it wasn't having the greatest start to the season in Dallas.
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They're clearly trying to shop a couple of their assets as well, knowing that this season just isn't going to be what they anticipated ever since Griffin official shipped out Thio the Detroit Lions for 1/6 round pick.
00:07:32
Very interesting move for them.
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Just being able to shed, I think, about $3 million worth of contract, you know, direct correlation to a move that the Giants Maeda's well, you know, kind of both teams waving the white flag, trying to start selling off some of their ancillary pieces.
00:07:46
Um, you know, for the Cowboys was because Randy Gregory got reinstated for the New York football Giants.
00:07:52
They went ahead and traded away Markus Golden for 1/6 round pick to the Arizona Cardinals for the Giants.
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You know, I want to get your thoughts at him for me very simply.
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He was playing 33% of the snaps.
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He didn't look.
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He's not gonna be a long term solution for the Giants.
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The defense wants to go in a different direction.
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Let's just get assets wherever we can.
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Yeah, I think you know, we spent our time being judgmental or critical of the organization of Dave Gettleman is GM.
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But when they put that little tag on him, that very unique tag that meant if he went out to the open market and did not receive an offer, did not get a contract elsewhere.
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He came back on a fairly team friendly deal, any team friendly deal.
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So you were able to get him back in the door just so that you had that safety blanket.
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You talk about percentages in terms of the snap city was playing.
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And essentially, what you find yourself saying is okay, you know, we look at our roster.
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We look at some of the young guys, some of the veterans that we brought in as well.
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He's just not as valuable toe our system and what Patrick Graham wants to dio, as he was last year for us or as he's going to be going forward.
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So you end up grabbing a late round draft asset, and this is really where we can get just momentarily in on the weeds.
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Here is to say that taking 1/6 round pick from the Cardinals, probably mid to, you know, somewhere in the middle of the sixth round, you can take that package it up with our sixth round pick in the in the upcoming draft and potentially get into a high five, maybe even a back end, fourth round situation if you see a guy you want to target.
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So these little assets are very important for the Giants to be able to make smart moves in the 2021 draft.
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So I like it.
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I also wish Golden nothing but the best.
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We I think we've maybe been caught on the wrong side of it at times where I don't not like Golden as a player.
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I just don't think that we didn't need him and we didn't need him at that price point.
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So smart Move by the Giants there.
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As this trade deadline conversation starts to move through and before you come back at me with all of your glorious insights around this.
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We just give a quick little shout out over here to hold me low.
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Shut up! Little bonus there for us.
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Over on SportsCastr side.
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Thanks.
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Thanks for the tip, friend and Adam.
00:09:59
When we kind of shift over a little bit into some of the roster moves that the Giants had made we could talk a little bit about, You know, Trent Harris being promoted Thio from the practice squad to the active roster.
00:10:11
Um, but, you know, I think the rial big, uh, notable one for Giant fans is that Corey Coleman has been a officially signed to the practice squad.
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Ah, lot of fans were upset about Corey Coleman not making the active roster back at the beginning of the season, thinking that he was going to be, you know, a serviceable number four wide receiver, special teams type of guy.
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Instead, the Giants decided to make a move with C J board and pick, you know, plug in in Radley off the Cleveland practice squad.
00:10:41
What are your thoughts about? You know, Harris coming in as into the active roster and Corey Coleman coming back and maybe potentially seeing some looks for the Giants.
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Yeah, still, Cem Cem, injury concerns on the defensive side of the ball.
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Oh, hell of a player and see if they themselves into that.
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Obviously, we've seen more from Cam Brown.
00:11:01
We've seen more from Carter Coughlin.
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So you know, Harris could just represent another opportunity to get some reps.
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And as we've been complimentary of the Giants in this regard, they've done a nice job throughout this season.
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Off being willing to take.
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Look, looks at players, right being willing.
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Thio have Valentine's start.
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Hey, listen, you're gonna get the first couple weeks Doesn't work out, okay? We're ready to pivot and shift onto the next opportunity on the tight ends.
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Sorry, the tight end side of things.
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I'm getting ahead of my own brain here on the wide receiver side of things.
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Listen, bringing Coleman back in his fine familiarity.
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Obviously, the organization knows him.
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There's a reason why we were able to bring him back in, right.
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You know, teams weren't clamoring for him, and I think that's a little bit of the proof in the pudding when fans were talking about How could you not have him on the roster, How Could you let this? How could you get let him go? He's so value.
00:11:45
No, he's not.
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Nobody else was really too concerned about having Corey Coleman on their team.
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It doesn't mean it can't be a contributor, and I think, ultimately what it may be indicative of an.
00:11:55
And this will blend into some social media conversations I was having recently that there are other moves potentially the Giants may be making before the deadline.
00:12:04
We're getting the sense that they're not going to be full on fire sale sellers.
00:12:08
As we're hearing, the Jets are trying to now jettison Quentin Williams as well.
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But there are a couple of names here that they may look to move and directly impacts the wide receiver room.
00:12:18
Well, yeah, and I think let's start at the back end of some of these re between the tea leaves type of moves that the Giants were making.
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So the first one is He's back, baby Adam, my guy rising.
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John was officially back, signed to the practice squad 67 £200 tight end out of Canada.
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I am super excited about this guy.
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I think he's got the athleticism and the size toe actually be a nice complimentary piece, you know, had a weapon on offense, which maybe I'm crazy for But Adam, am I reading too much into it into it to think that, you know, making a move like this, bringing back rising John having Eric Tomlinson on the practice squad practice squad to the active roster.
00:13:00
The Giants now have four tight ends on the active roster, and they on Lee.
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And now they sunrise and got to the practice squad.
00:13:05
Does that necessarily signal to you anything about Evan Ingram? Well, I might hope that it would now eso And by the way, good.
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When they took when they brought in Rice and John initially in the offseason following the draft, you highlighted some of those stats.
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And and again, I love you know, I love me some practice squad town.
00:13:25
I love to get in on the weeds there and start to think about what could be from these players and develop developing a player when you have a new head coach and hopefully consistent systems over the next couple of years, it makes a lot of sense because you can really bring them along in the vein that you're talking about.
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If you think right to your point that he has some offensive talent, then you can mix them into this blend with a cadence.
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Smith with a toy loa.
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See what happens there with their Tomlinson.
00:13:50
So now you have this collection of tight ends and hopefully provide complementary football across the board.
00:13:55
I do wonder.
00:13:56
So the basic conversations that are happening is that there's a couple of guys and we'll get into them that are thing clearly on the trading block for the Giants.
00:14:06
But Evan Ingram is a name that they're saying it's a little bit in between here.
00:14:10
The Giants probably aren't gonna move on from him.
00:14:13
They're probably going to keep him.
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And the conversation that I got into when as actually Dove tailed off of Coleman being brought back in and some people saying, Oh, this clearly means, uh, that they're going to move on from Evan Engram, and it was like for like, I guess the speed and having a guy that can blow the top and I said, Well, I think it's more indicative.
00:14:30
Maybe Golden Tate is going to be going out the door that started to devolve into locating Smith conversation.
00:14:34
And as you and I are both pretty big Gate and Smith fans, I started to go down this road about the value of Kaden Smith relative to what you're trying to accomplish and including a ricin John or including a toy Loa, including, and Eric Tomlinson.
00:14:48
The collective result of what you get out of that position can be.
00:14:51
Hopefully, as I got in the weeds here, a 76% catch rate over his career for the New York football Giants had just one dropped to 31 receptions last season for Big Blue and this year on Onley 12 Targets has 10 catches and has caught five first down passes.
00:15:07
So I feel very comfortable moving Kate Smith into a starting role.
00:15:12
Then maybe having toil low and even maybe a ricin.
00:15:15
John gets promoted, and you use some of that size for some opportunities, potentially on game day and moving on from a player in Evan Ingram who's done everything.
00:15:24
But what's the key word that I'm looking for here? Be.
00:15:28
I think the key word is reliable.
00:15:31
Yeah, you know what it is because because there's different things We all know that Evan Ingram uses talent.
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He is young, he is athletic, He is fast.
00:15:42
Those are things that you love in the NFL, and I love them, too.
00:15:46
It's what makes me excited when I see Evan Ingram get the ball out in space.
00:15:50
But when we talk about reliability, there's a few different pieces to that.
00:15:53
And I think there's three that I want to highlight. For Giant fans.
00:15:56
One is he's not necessarily reliable in the run game.
00:16:00
He's not a great run blocker.
00:16:01
He's gotten better and he's shown improvement over his career.
00:16:04
But he's still not as good as, uh, you know, Kaden Smith or any of the other tight ends that we have on the roster, so that's that's one.
00:16:12
The second is reliable in terms of injuries.
00:16:14
He has missed a ton of games for the Giants.
00:16:17
Whether it's fluke injuries, whether it's not, you know, proper preparation, whatever it may be.
00:16:22
Just not being on the field, you know, makes him unreliable and the third one is he's dropping catches, so if he's not blocking and he's not staying on the field, But when he is on the field, he's dropping passes to me, that all kind of molds into the reliability of Evan Ingram Off course.
00:16:38
We could ship him off somewhere, and he could be a superstar somewhere else.
00:16:41
We always run that risk with giving up on young talent.
00:16:44
But if we could start getting draft assets for him, I think I'm okay.
00:16:47
Because of the reliability factor.
00:16:49
Yeah, that that's really what it comes down to to me Now, in this conversation that I engage them with a beautiful gentleman over there on the Internet machine.
00:16:57
Uh, it came down to saying I understood the ideas.
00:17:00
You start to hear these rumors that maybe the Giant would hold on to him.
00:17:03
The premise being the worst case scenario is that maybe he has some big games down the stretch here over the next nine.
00:17:10
And it helps improve his stock because you could argue coming into this season and leading up to the trade deadline, you needed him to pop show Little Flash and has some teams get excited about it now.
00:17:19
I don't think it's gonna scare anybody off if they if they like the athleticism, they know what the upside is there and they want to come get him.
00:17:25
But he didn't do himself any favors over these first seven games with big drops, inconsistencies, etcetera.
00:17:32
So if you hold on to him, maybe you move from saying fourth or fifth round pick now versus a late third round in the off season or going, you know into draft day the difference of being in the final year of his contract on the fifth year option.
00:17:46
That could impact it as well in the off season, too.
00:17:48
So I'm a little bit.
00:17:49
I'm okay with Either way.
00:17:51
I like the I like the thoughtfulness around it.
00:17:54
If you're the Giants and just not going to, like I said full panic mode in saying, Who do you want? Let's take him.
00:17:58
Let's blow this thing up because they are still trying to be competitive.
00:18:02
Joe Judge is still preaching that message, and that's why you haven't seen Ah handful of guys already get jettisoned Well, and and on top of that, Adam were also talking about what our best assets are that we would potentially trade right.
00:18:14
We we talked a little bit about Golden Tate.
00:18:16
There's no more dead money for the Giants after this year.
00:18:19
He's an older veteran.
00:18:20
That could be a complementary piece for someone, uh, you know, one name that I keep hearing that I'm really curious.
00:18:25
What the Giants were thinking is Dalvin Tomlinson, and the reason why is because he is young.
00:18:32
He has played well.
00:18:33
He is part of the strength of our defensive line.
00:18:37
But when you start peeling things back a little bit, you have Leonard Williams playing the way that we all anticipated him playing.
00:18:44
He's playing not good, but great.
00:18:46
You have Dexter Lawrence, who you spent a first round pick on.
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Is the future on the defensive line as well.
00:18:53
You know that you're not going to pay three defensive lineman 12 plus million dollars.
00:18:59
So do you have to potentially look at shipping Dallmann Tomlinson out because, you know, at the end of season you're not going to give him big money? Yeah, and that's the question Now, I guess because I have been mulling this over in my head.
00:19:10
You know, the Dexter Lawrence is coming on, and, as you said, Leonard Williams and by the way, unfortunate footnote here, that fifth round pick that that does still go into effect if the Giants bring him back that extra fifth rounder in the three and five scenario.
00:19:24
So that's still going, Thio accounting against been coming direct potentially.
00:19:32
So some of those transaction things are still going in.
00:19:35
And but on the whole, the Onley, I guess caveat would be because everything about it you're potentially going to pay Leonard Williams.
00:19:42
And then if you choose to pay Tomlinson, you know that you're gonna have Dexter Lawrence just a couple of years away from his next contract.
00:19:48
The Onley case that I could make for bringing back Calvin Tomlinson.
00:19:53
Knowing that it's gonna be a lot of money across the front is that in the draft, you're going to try to address edge rush, right? You're gonna try to address getting after the quarterback so you could bring in young talent on cheap rookie contracts and then three, you know, three years from now, depending on what these contracts look for these guys, you potentially could move off of one of them down the road, maybe even trade one of them at some point to get back more assets and build from there.
00:20:18
So there is maybe, ah, slim chance that they would go ahead and still run it back and then look to move him because he isn't exactly premium value right now.
00:20:27
But the other side of the coin is defensive tackle or nose tackle, Really? And it's it is.
00:20:35
It's replaceable commodity under rally around the NFL.
00:20:38
So you anticipate teams giving you a lot no matter when you go to make that move.
00:20:41
Right now, they're talking about, you know, fifth rounder in terms of jettison him before the deadline.
00:20:45
And when you have a guy like B J.
00:20:47
Hill who's underperformed a little bit, then you start to look at in Austin Johnson.
00:20:51
They brought in the off season.
00:20:52
How are you at least gonna replace him in the short term? And you did see, by the way, Austin Johnson and B J Hill get some reps this past game on Thursday night, I don't know if that's an indication.
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Maybe they want to get a little small sample size just to see if they could survive that way.
00:21:04
So still curious about it? I just wonder, you know, internally, again, staying competitive, having the team be focused on trying to win games down the next nine.
00:21:13
Getting rid of a guy that's probably one of your 15 best players on the roster right now.
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It does send a bad message to the team.
00:21:20
Well, when you're talking about potential 15 15th best player, I was curious.
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You know, outside of those guys, you know, we've already stated Tate, it's probably an obvious one.
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Zettler um, you know, on the offensive line, getting older, having a 12.
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5 $13 million cap it next year is another potential one.
00:21:38
Is there anyone else that you're keeping your eye on through Monday and Tuesday of next week? You know, names like Logan Ryan, who signs short term but shown promise, Ah, guy like Jabrill peppers, who is young that we've traded for but may be ableto bring us back a significant hall like, Is there anyone specifically that you're keeping your eye on in the next seven days? I tend to stay away from it from Logan Ryan because I think he's been so important to the to the quality of the football on the defensive side.
00:22:04
So you don't again.
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You don't want to take away a piece like that that could really open up the floodgates and push this team the defense's side of the ball anyway, back to where it was last year, right? And that's really hard football to watch for a Giants fan base.
00:22:18
And I think he's helping also just the development of some of these young players.
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Peppers, Honestly, you know, go inside the numbers.
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He's been okay, you know, he's been okay for us.
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He hasn't necessarily been the guy that we thought he was going to be coming in.
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I think that it's still it was still great value as a proponent of those trades with Cleveland.
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I think that he's helped stem the tide.
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But I don't think that we're bringing him back on a second contract.
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And we've talked about this before.
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I just Unless it was a relatively team friendly deal, he's not coming back, and I actually think you can look.
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And Seymour of Logan Ryan back there with an egg Xavier McKinney going forward, at least in the short term, there to pair with him as opposed to a Jabrill Peppers.
00:22:55
You know what's what's interesting is when we think about some of these roster moves, we try to play the chess game that Dave Gettleman and the Giants front offices playing, we say, Oh, Corey Coleman was signed.
00:23:05
You know, it must be that Golden Tate is being shipped out.
00:23:09
There are other scenarios, though, where we can really get deep into it.
00:23:12
For giant fans where they signed Corey Coleman, he may be activated to the to the, you know, official roster to be a special teams return kick return punt return guy.
00:23:22
And with Xavier McKinney coming off of IR student, maybe it is someone like your Bill Pepper peppers who we see being moved out.
00:23:28
And these moves arm or corresponding to him rather than something simple, like the wide receiver position.
00:23:32
So ah, lot for giant fans to kind of absorb and take in.
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And the next 67 days there gonna be pretty wild.
00:23:39
Yeah, And as we again, we like to do this.
00:23:41
Just so you know, friends shout out to Cubs rock.
00:23:44
Thanks for the tickets, buddy. All right.
00:23:46
I do think that s so that goes back.
00:23:48
So I'll go back to the tight end position really quickly here.
00:23:51
All of those moves that makes me think maybe they they are willing to take an offer on Evan Ingram if the right one comes along.
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And I think probably the sweet spot on that player is fourth round.
00:24:02
If they got 1/4 round rate now from a team that's, you know in the middle toe back into that pack there, then I think they would make the move on it.
00:24:09
Now, if it's 1/5 rounder, I think they stay.
00:24:11
But you make these things correlate.
00:24:13
This correlating moves that you're ready to elevate some guys from the practice squad.
00:24:17
You're ready to have depth there as well.
00:24:18
Likewise to your point about Corey Coleman you're talking about.
00:24:22
Peppers has been there on special teams, right? He's gone back there on punt returns, etcetera.
00:24:26
Maybe you want to give someone else a look other than Cory Ballentine, who's been there on kickoff.
00:24:30
So the the Corey Coleman move could be indicative of a larger roster move that could be looming and peppers might be the one and it would make sense to me.
00:24:40
It would make sense to me, especially if you could get some reasonable value.
00:24:42
What would I'll put it to you? And you know, you've got something there on the tip of your tongue.
00:24:46
But what would be value to you for your girl peppers before the deadline? Well, it's interesting.
00:24:50
I'm gonna I'm gonna put a pin in that for a second and and go back to Evan Ingram.
00:24:54
So there's a couple of different scouts that have come out and they've asked, you know, the Giants really do want to keep Evan Ingram.
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They do think that he's a young asset that could be, uh, part of the rebuild for the Giants in the future.
00:25:05
And when they asked, you know, a lot of people are saying Adam that it's actually a second round pick that everyone is looking.
00:25:12
You know, the Giants are looking for that.
00:25:15
They think teams may actually give up a second round pick for Evan Ingram.
00:25:18
What the scouts have come back and said is we're not convinced that the Giants would take it at this point, which is surprising.
00:25:25
Um, tow us because, you know, as fans thinking about getting assets, we take a second round pick.
00:25:29
You, you run, you run to the league office and make that trade.
00:25:32
But inside, that's what his value is, and you know.
00:25:35
One of the quotes that I saw recently was while Evan Ingram isn't the game changing player that you know is a top five player at one of those positions.
00:25:43
He is a chess piece that you could move around on the chessboard.
00:25:45
That may be unique enough to get you over the hump and or when it helped win a playoff game, well, and by the way, to go back to the beautiful conversation with the head of that lovely gentleman out there on the Internet, I you know, that's one of the things that I talked about, where, when you look around the league because, you know, this is true of a lot of giants in the fan base where they go and then you're going to see him go explode somewhere else and you're gonna be so angry when he makes a big and I've said this consistently to you.
00:26:09
I asked him to go have success somewhere else.
00:26:11
Like I'm not talking about.
00:26:12
Hey, let's try to dump this crummy asset because he's no, you know he's useless for us, but about what can you turn that asset into so even? I mean, listen, second round pick.
00:26:21
We all know I've got his bags packed, that he's on the plane.
00:26:24
But even for the third, even for 1/4 you're talking about, like we said with a late round pick and packaging it, that could end up turning into a nice mid round edge rusher for this defense.
00:26:35
A complimentary cornerback to add to the secondary.
00:26:39
Ah, potential offensive lineman to replace Zettler, whether it's through trade this year or in the off season, if they move on from them, right.
00:26:45
Like that's the difference for the Giants right now where they are.
00:26:49
Versus where? The Green Bay Packers? Maybe.
00:26:52
Yeah.
00:26:53
You put that in Ingram on there, you got You got atoms on the outside.
00:26:55
You got Jones in the back. You got Aaron Rodgers.
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He's gonna look great, because and they're gonna get him.
00:26:59
So, Minster, volume targets that is going to come out in the wash when he has these big place.
00:27:04
So I know that he's going to be tremendously valuable.
00:27:06
I would be curious if the Giants are setting that second round kind of bar right now.
00:27:10
If somebody came in with the, you know, maybe it's a three and a five or something like that if they would pull the trigger on it right now and you know, gamesmanship being what it is.
00:27:19
I wonder if the Giants are sitting there saying like, Oh, no, no, no, no.
00:27:23
We like him.
00:27:24
We think he's a part of our rebuild and just hoping that they can push that market a little bit higher here.
00:27:29
If they ultimately would like to move on from him before that, I think, What is it? The third one is the deadline.
00:27:34
It's it's funny because we're now conditioned toe.
00:27:37
Always think about a 3rd and 1/5 round pick in every kind of trade after the Leonard Williams trade were like, How could we get that back? And and it would be interesting to think if we shipped everything room out for a 3rd and 5th and we kept Leonard Williams and signed him to a long term deal.
00:27:51
Basically, it's like we flipped the two players and and ended up giving the money to Leonard Williams instead.
00:28:03
Yeah, and that that really is the way that I look at it, too, and it's not this again.
00:28:08
It's not move a player to recover what you lost.
00:28:11
That's not what we're talking about.
00:28:13
But in general, the important thing eyes just to look at the short and long term of it and understand you're trying to balance the roster.
00:28:21
You're trying to create a competitive team going forward.
00:28:24
We move off of that, we move off of these speculations because until next week, we won't.
00:28:28
Officially no, we'll see what comes out here.
00:28:30
Obviously, we know the Giants won't be playing again until Monday against Tampa Bay, so they're still gonna be some time for them to make those moves.
00:28:36
And at that point, depending on the date there, I guess technically, you could still see come game time if a player gets held out, could be indicative of them being traded.
00:28:45
And that could be a condition off that the final thing very briefly here that I just want to touch on in the closing moments is something for Giants fans to be positive about.
00:28:54
Didn't think, didn't think we'd have it friends.
00:28:56
But we dio we that were of evaluation.
00:29:02
American giants.
00:29:03
We know that we're in a state of evaluation around the quarterback position and Daniel Jones I just wanted to throw out here against the NFC East.
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Not a great barometer.
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But over these last three weeks, Daniel Jones has posted Q B R ratings in order going back to that game against Dallas.
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60.
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8 86 and 77.1.
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Q B R ratings.
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His best three ratings of the season.
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Okay, the 60.
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8 There's nothing to write home about.
00:29:28
But the last two weeks have been better and over the sample size that we saw if you break it up from the games leading up Thio from September into October, nearly identical 6 99 to 711 pass attempts we've seen him improved from 60% completion percentage 64.
00:29:45
So you know the touchdown interceptions or three and three in this month. So it's dead.
00:29:49
Even.
00:29:50
He was two and four in September, so an improvement there as well, though we'd like to see it get even better in terms of the margins.
00:29:54
It has also run for 200 yards on 19 carries.
00:29:57
We've seen big place from him, patients, friends.
00:30:01
That's what I have to consistently communicate to the fan base.
00:30:04
Look at this information.
00:30:05
I know we have the NFC least in there is the competition for the baseline.
00:30:09
But, hey, you play that, you play the schedule, We're gonna play them again every year going into next year as well.
00:30:13
We have more matchups with them throughout the remainder of this schedule.
00:30:17
So there's reason for optimism that you can look to see is Daniel Jones starting thio toe rise some of these thes stat lines and then continue to build on them over the remaining nine games? Adam, I love it.
00:30:28
You're buttering up our listeners for our Friday prediction show where you're gonna be very bullish on pulling off an upset.
00:30:37
You're gonna throw patients out the window.
00:30:38
And you're saying that Daniel Jones is gonna lead the Giants to victory against Tampa Bay bucks, aren't you? That is what they call a gentleman tease friends.
00:30:49
We will be back in on Friday.
00:30:50
We'll break down the Tampa Bay matchup.
00:30:52
Unfortunately, it's gonna be all the way on Monday, but we, of course, will come in in law, uh, into our official Christians on Monday evening before that action kicks off.
00:31:04
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00:31:20
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00:31:30
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00:31:38
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and we are back with a fresh Wednesday.
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Oh, GP, where of course I am.
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Adam are in Britain.
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Over there is the healthy, wealthy and wise Andy Mackiewicz.
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Can you just Can you just shut up? Adam, can you just shut up and let me answer for once? Here, the answer is no.
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Okay.
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No, I'm not. I'm not doing good. Okay.
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Ouch.
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I don't I don't love it, sir.
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I don't love the response.
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And quite frankly, it's no way to handle the media.
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Listen, it's getting bad in Dallas.
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My friends went when Jerry's not happy anymore.
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And he's yelling and screaming at a reporter for a good question. Whoa.
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It's getting brutal down there in Dallas.
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Do you? Uh, the leadership problem? Is there a leadership problem on this podcast? Is that what you're asking me? Handy if you're asking me, there's a leadership problem, I'll tell you right now.
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No, there's not a leadership problem.
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That's what I know about.
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It's It's always great when they ask you if there's a leadership problem, you tell the person to shut up.
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That usually is a good interaction when you're thinking like who's read, who's leading this ship, And, uh, it looks to be pretty rudderless in Dallas at the moment.
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You were asking me, uh, who's in charge here? I just wanted to let you know you can shut your mouth right now.
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Okay, How about that for How about that, for starters, do I look like I have a problem? I like.
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Listen, unfortunately, as we as we'll get into this year, and just so you know, friends, we're going to go ahead and touch on the division.
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Overall is the whole coming off some weekend games that continue to muddle what the outlook is in the NFC East.
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We're also going to look at roster moves.
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A potential roster moves for Big Blue along the way, but it's man.
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When you talk about just the general, I don't know State of the franchises in the division when you are the Dallas Cowboys.
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And even though you have Jerry Jones and then his son is, I think, in the shadows ready to take over.
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As long as Jerry Jones is kind of the figurehead there, it's really hard to get a grasp on on what that organization wants to do or where they want to go, It's It's weird to have had relative success for a team and then also feel like there's no stability like it's a very it's a It's a beautiful dance that they're doing in Dallas.
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It's actually amazing when you think about it.
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The fact that they've had consistency at the ownership level, Um, they had consistency at the head coaching level, but they weren't pleased with it, even though they were having moderate success.
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But in Dallas, when you call yourself America's team, you expect to be competing for Super Bowls every year.
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And Jason Garrett, going ate and ate and making the playoffs kind of put lipstick on it when in fact, this team has a lot of warts.
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And as you're seeing now with Mike McCarthy, take over.
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The offense seems to have figured something out, especially when you've spent all that money on offense and the defense is in shambles when you just decide not to address it and go for luxury positions like wide receiver in the first round.
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Well, by the way, remember going back to the past off season, some fans said, and this isn't even a con.
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People that thought it was a least an option that should have been explored.
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The idea of Mike McCarthy returning back to the NFL and the Giants a lot of fan base said we should at least have them in for an interview, have these discussions and I don't know if this is a is a referendum on his return to coaching.
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But you tend to think right when you end up when you end up basically being told, Hey, we're gonna go ahead and part ways with you in Green Bay and you have one of the all time greatest quarterbacks there.
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Something has to have de evolved there.
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Even if it was just Hey, we want a change of pace.
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We want to switch it up here in our organization.
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That's fine.
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You take a little sabbatical from the NFL and then when you come back, it's just I I worry about this across all sports, you know, old mentalities or just the expectation of I'm going to do it like I used to do it there.
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That's a very hard blueprint just to transfer over, especially when it's like Hey, what don't you have? And we know what the dak Prescott injury But you don't have an Aaron Rodgers here to cover up a lot of maybe what your deficiencies are in terms of a coaching and organizational control kind of standpoint, and then you have someone like Jerry Jones over your shoulder.
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It makes it very difficult to to find a path forward in a season when now you're dealing with injuries as well.
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Well, for the Cowboys they came into this offseason thinking they were still 100% in win now mode.
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You know, a lot of pundits had them winning the NFC East, you know, going away.
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Potential Super Bowl team.
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Dark horse, potentially.
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And so it made sense to look at someone like Mike McCarthy, who has experience, who has won a Super Bowl championship, who has had big time quarterbacks and has, you know, coached in big time playoff games.
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Completely understood.
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I really like, you know, the Giants pick of Joe Judge, even though the Giants aren't winning games, is looking better and better for what the Giants are trying to dio.
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They are identifying that they are in a rebuild.
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There's no two ways about it.
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They are learning and growing with Joe.
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Judge as he's learning and growing and figuring out how to be a head coach in this league.
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So the Giants, I feel like, are actually a step ahead of Dallas in terms of of this rebuild, because they've at least admitted it.
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They have kind of the coach that's going to guide them through the next couple of years.
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Whereas Dallas still thinks like if that comes back, they could find a way to compete.
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And that puts them in a really dangerous spot.
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And just as a final footnote before we get into some obviously direct Giants related conversations here on the podcast, the Who do they have there at the offensive coordinator? If I say it's who Who's Dallas is O.
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C.
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It's Kellen Moore.
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Kelly Moore.
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I was okay. I don't want I don't want to speak out of turn.
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I feel like that's probably the safety valve quote unquote that Jerry Jones in terms of the head, I think that if he always quote unquote fall off, your flight is correlated you.
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You could potentially see that one and done, and they just elevate Kelly Moore.
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It doesn't mean it's for, you know, the better of this roster, but they're going.
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They're going to be in a bit of a pivot mode.
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And when you think you have when now aspirations, it makes those type of moves a little more easy to push the panic.
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But not so we'll keep an eye on it.
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Sounds like it's dysfunctional, and that makes me pretty happy.
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So I feel good about that.
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We're gonna get into roster moves for the Giants that we we came in last week, obviously, on Friday broke down the Thursday night loss.
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And then we did not make our appearance on Monday morning because, quite frankly, it was sad.
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There was no Giants football. On Sunday.
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We watched the Redskins.
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Excuse me, the Washington football team.
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Go ahead and take care of the Dallas Cowboys, which now puts the Eagles in the division lead 2 to 4 and one.
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And just as a friendly tip of that to the fan bases, every team in the Mrs for a surplus for a point of being actually in second place There, that's Washington at minus 30 to the Philadelphia Eagles lead the division with a point differential of minus 33.
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That's kind of where we're at in the NFC East.
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Where, by the way, Dallas just or is at least I don't if it's 100 finalized, but all but finalized that ever seen Griffin is being moved out the door.
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They're so a bit of the white flag being waved.
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Potentially, though, it wasn't having the greatest start to the season in Dallas.
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They're clearly trying to shop a couple of their assets as well, knowing that this season just isn't going to be what they anticipated ever since Griffin official shipped out Thio the Detroit Lions for 1/6 round pick.
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Very interesting move for them.
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Just being able to shed, I think, about $3 million worth of contract, you know, direct correlation to a move that the Giants Maeda's well, you know, kind of both teams waving the white flag, trying to start selling off some of their ancillary pieces.
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Um, you know, for the Cowboys was because Randy Gregory got reinstated for the New York football Giants.
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They went ahead and traded away Markus Golden for 1/6 round pick to the Arizona Cardinals for the Giants.
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You know, I want to get your thoughts at him for me very simply.
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He was playing 33% of the snaps.
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He didn't look.
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He's not gonna be a long term solution for the Giants.
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The defense wants to go in a different direction.
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Let's just get assets wherever we can.
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Yeah, I think you know, we spent our time being judgmental or critical of the organization of Dave Gettleman is GM.
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But when they put that little tag on him, that very unique tag that meant if he went out to the open market and did not receive an offer, did not get a contract elsewhere.
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He came back on a fairly team friendly deal, any team friendly deal.
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So you were able to get him back in the door just so that you had that safety blanket.
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You talk about percentages in terms of the snap city was playing.
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And essentially, what you find yourself saying is okay, you know, we look at our roster.
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We look at some of the young guys, some of the veterans that we brought in as well.
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He's just not as valuable toe our system and what Patrick Graham wants to dio, as he was last year for us or as he's going to be going forward.
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So you end up grabbing a late round draft asset, and this is really where we can get just momentarily in on the weeds.
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Here is to say that taking 1/6 round pick from the Cardinals, probably mid to, you know, somewhere in the middle of the sixth round, you can take that package it up with our sixth round pick in the in the upcoming draft and potentially get into a high five, maybe even a back end, fourth round situation if you see a guy you want to target.
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So these little assets are very important for the Giants to be able to make smart moves in the 2021 draft.
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So I like it.
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I also wish Golden nothing but the best.
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We I think we've maybe been caught on the wrong side of it at times where I don't not like Golden as a player.
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I just don't think that we didn't need him and we didn't need him at that price point.
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So smart Move by the Giants there.
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As this trade deadline conversation starts to move through and before you come back at me with all of your glorious insights around this.
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We just give a quick little shout out over here to hold me low.
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Shut up! Little bonus there for us.
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Over on SportsCastr side.
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Thanks.
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Thanks for the tip, friend and Adam.
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When we kind of shift over a little bit into some of the roster moves that the Giants had made we could talk a little bit about, You know, Trent Harris being promoted Thio from the practice squad to the active roster.
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Um, but, you know, I think the rial big, uh, notable one for Giant fans is that Corey Coleman has been a officially signed to the practice squad.
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Ah, lot of fans were upset about Corey Coleman not making the active roster back at the beginning of the season, thinking that he was going to be, you know, a serviceable number four wide receiver, special teams type of guy.
00:10:34
Instead, the Giants decided to make a move with C J board and pick, you know, plug in in Radley off the Cleveland practice squad.
00:10:41
What are your thoughts about? You know, Harris coming in as into the active roster and Corey Coleman coming back and maybe potentially seeing some looks for the Giants.
00:10:50
Yeah, still, Cem Cem, injury concerns on the defensive side of the ball.
00:10:55
Oh, hell of a player and see if they themselves into that.
00:10:59
Obviously, we've seen more from Cam Brown.
00:11:01
We've seen more from Carter Coughlin.
00:11:03
So you know, Harris could just represent another opportunity to get some reps.
00:11:06
And as we've been complimentary of the Giants in this regard, they've done a nice job throughout this season.
00:11:12
Off being willing to take.
00:11:13
Look, looks at players, right being willing.
00:11:15
Thio have Valentine's start.
00:11:17
Hey, listen, you're gonna get the first couple weeks Doesn't work out, okay? We're ready to pivot and shift onto the next opportunity on the tight ends.
00:11:24
Sorry, the tight end side of things.
00:11:25
I'm getting ahead of my own brain here on the wide receiver side of things.
00:11:29
Listen, bringing Coleman back in his fine familiarity.
00:11:32
Obviously, the organization knows him.
00:11:34
There's a reason why we were able to bring him back in, right.
00:11:36
You know, teams weren't clamoring for him, and I think that's a little bit of the proof in the pudding when fans were talking about How could you not have him on the roster, How Could you let this? How could you get let him go? He's so value.
00:11:45
No, he's not.
00:11:46
Nobody else was really too concerned about having Corey Coleman on their team.
00:11:50
It doesn't mean it can't be a contributor, and I think, ultimately what it may be indicative of an.
00:11:55
And this will blend into some social media conversations I was having recently that there are other moves potentially the Giants may be making before the deadline.
00:12:04
We're getting the sense that they're not going to be full on fire sale sellers.
00:12:08
As we're hearing, the Jets are trying to now jettison Quentin Williams as well.
00:12:12
But there are a couple of names here that they may look to move and directly impacts the wide receiver room.
00:12:18
Well, yeah, and I think let's start at the back end of some of these re between the tea leaves type of moves that the Giants were making.
00:12:26
So the first one is He's back, baby Adam, my guy rising.
00:12:32
John was officially back, signed to the practice squad 67 £200 tight end out of Canada.
00:12:38
I am super excited about this guy.
00:12:41
I think he's got the athleticism and the size toe actually be a nice complimentary piece, you know, had a weapon on offense, which maybe I'm crazy for But Adam, am I reading too much into it into it to think that, you know, making a move like this, bringing back rising John having Eric Tomlinson on the practice squad practice squad to the active roster.
00:13:00
The Giants now have four tight ends on the active roster, and they on Lee.
00:13:03
And now they sunrise and got to the practice squad.
00:13:05
Does that necessarily signal to you anything about Evan Ingram? Well, I might hope that it would now eso And by the way, good.
00:13:14
When they took when they brought in Rice and John initially in the offseason following the draft, you highlighted some of those stats.
00:13:20
And and again, I love you know, I love me some practice squad town.
00:13:25
I love to get in on the weeds there and start to think about what could be from these players and develop developing a player when you have a new head coach and hopefully consistent systems over the next couple of years, it makes a lot of sense because you can really bring them along in the vein that you're talking about.
00:13:40
If you think right to your point that he has some offensive talent, then you can mix them into this blend with a cadence.
00:13:47
Smith with a toy loa.
00:13:48
See what happens there with their Tomlinson.
00:13:50
So now you have this collection of tight ends and hopefully provide complementary football across the board.
00:13:55
I do wonder.
00:13:56
So the basic conversations that are happening is that there's a couple of guys and we'll get into them that are thing clearly on the trading block for the Giants.
00:14:06
But Evan Ingram is a name that they're saying it's a little bit in between here.
00:14:10
The Giants probably aren't gonna move on from him.
00:14:13
They're probably going to keep him.
00:14:14
And the conversation that I got into when as actually Dove tailed off of Coleman being brought back in and some people saying, Oh, this clearly means, uh, that they're going to move on from Evan Engram, and it was like for like, I guess the speed and having a guy that can blow the top and I said, Well, I think it's more indicative.
00:14:30
Maybe Golden Tate is going to be going out the door that started to devolve into locating Smith conversation.
00:14:34
And as you and I are both pretty big Gate and Smith fans, I started to go down this road about the value of Kaden Smith relative to what you're trying to accomplish and including a ricin John or including a toy Loa, including, and Eric Tomlinson.
00:14:48
The collective result of what you get out of that position can be.
00:14:51
Hopefully, as I got in the weeds here, a 76% catch rate over his career for the New York football Giants had just one dropped to 31 receptions last season for Big Blue and this year on Onley 12 Targets has 10 catches and has caught five first down passes.
00:15:07
So I feel very comfortable moving Kate Smith into a starting role.
00:15:12
Then maybe having toil low and even maybe a ricin.
00:15:15
John gets promoted, and you use some of that size for some opportunities, potentially on game day and moving on from a player in Evan Ingram who's done everything.
00:15:24
But what's the key word that I'm looking for here? Be.
00:15:28
I think the key word is reliable.
00:15:31
Yeah, you know what it is because because there's different things We all know that Evan Ingram uses talent.
00:15:39
He is young, he is athletic, He is fast.
00:15:42
Those are things that you love in the NFL, and I love them, too.
00:15:46
It's what makes me excited when I see Evan Ingram get the ball out in space.
00:15:50
But when we talk about reliability, there's a few different pieces to that.
00:15:53
And I think there's three that I want to highlight. For Giant fans.
00:15:56
One is he's not necessarily reliable in the run game.
00:16:00
He's not a great run blocker.
00:16:01
He's gotten better and he's shown improvement over his career.
00:16:04
But he's still not as good as, uh, you know, Kaden Smith or any of the other tight ends that we have on the roster, so that's that's one.
00:16:12
The second is reliable in terms of injuries.
00:16:14
He has missed a ton of games for the Giants.
00:16:17
Whether it's fluke injuries, whether it's not, you know, proper preparation, whatever it may be.
00:16:22
Just not being on the field, you know, makes him unreliable and the third one is he's dropping catches, so if he's not blocking and he's not staying on the field, But when he is on the field, he's dropping passes to me, that all kind of molds into the reliability of Evan Ingram Off course.
00:16:38
We could ship him off somewhere, and he could be a superstar somewhere else.
00:16:41
We always run that risk with giving up on young talent.
00:16:44
But if we could start getting draft assets for him, I think I'm okay.
00:16:47
Because of the reliability factor.
00:16:49
Yeah, that that's really what it comes down to to me Now, in this conversation that I engage them with a beautiful gentleman over there on the Internet machine.
00:16:57
Uh, it came down to saying I understood the ideas.
00:17:00
You start to hear these rumors that maybe the Giant would hold on to him.
00:17:03
The premise being the worst case scenario is that maybe he has some big games down the stretch here over the next nine.
00:17:10
And it helps improve his stock because you could argue coming into this season and leading up to the trade deadline, you needed him to pop show Little Flash and has some teams get excited about it now.
00:17:19
I don't think it's gonna scare anybody off if they if they like the athleticism, they know what the upside is there and they want to come get him.
00:17:25
But he didn't do himself any favors over these first seven games with big drops, inconsistencies, etcetera.
00:17:32
So if you hold on to him, maybe you move from saying fourth or fifth round pick now versus a late third round in the off season or going, you know into draft day the difference of being in the final year of his contract on the fifth year option.
00:17:46
That could impact it as well in the off season, too.
00:17:48
So I'm a little bit.
00:17:49
I'm okay with Either way.
00:17:51
I like the I like the thoughtfulness around it.
00:17:54
If you're the Giants and just not going to, like I said full panic mode in saying, Who do you want? Let's take him.
00:17:58
Let's blow this thing up because they are still trying to be competitive.
00:18:02
Joe Judge is still preaching that message, and that's why you haven't seen Ah handful of guys already get jettisoned Well, and and on top of that, Adam were also talking about what our best assets are that we would potentially trade right.
00:18:14
We we talked a little bit about Golden Tate.
00:18:16
There's no more dead money for the Giants after this year.
00:18:19
He's an older veteran.
00:18:20
That could be a complementary piece for someone, uh, you know, one name that I keep hearing that I'm really curious.
00:18:25
What the Giants were thinking is Dalvin Tomlinson, and the reason why is because he is young.
00:18:32
He has played well.
00:18:33
He is part of the strength of our defensive line.
00:18:37
But when you start peeling things back a little bit, you have Leonard Williams playing the way that we all anticipated him playing.
00:18:44
He's playing not good, but great.
00:18:46
You have Dexter Lawrence, who you spent a first round pick on.
00:18:50
Is the future on the defensive line as well.
00:18:53
You know that you're not going to pay three defensive lineman 12 plus million dollars.
00:18:59
So do you have to potentially look at shipping Dallmann Tomlinson out because, you know, at the end of season you're not going to give him big money? Yeah, and that's the question Now, I guess because I have been mulling this over in my head.
00:19:10
You know, the Dexter Lawrence is coming on, and, as you said, Leonard Williams and by the way, unfortunate footnote here, that fifth round pick that that does still go into effect if the Giants bring him back that extra fifth rounder in the three and five scenario.
00:19:24
So that's still going, Thio accounting against been coming direct potentially.
00:19:32
So some of those transaction things are still going in.
00:19:35
And but on the whole, the Onley, I guess caveat would be because everything about it you're potentially going to pay Leonard Williams.
00:19:42
And then if you choose to pay Tomlinson, you know that you're gonna have Dexter Lawrence just a couple of years away from his next contract.
00:19:48
The Onley case that I could make for bringing back Calvin Tomlinson.
00:19:53
Knowing that it's gonna be a lot of money across the front is that in the draft, you're going to try to address edge rush, right? You're gonna try to address getting after the quarterback so you could bring in young talent on cheap rookie contracts and then three, you know, three years from now, depending on what these contracts look for these guys, you potentially could move off of one of them down the road, maybe even trade one of them at some point to get back more assets and build from there.
00:20:18
So there is maybe, ah, slim chance that they would go ahead and still run it back and then look to move him because he isn't exactly premium value right now.
00:20:27
But the other side of the coin is defensive tackle or nose tackle, Really? And it's it is.
00:20:35
It's replaceable commodity under rally around the NFL.
00:20:38
So you anticipate teams giving you a lot no matter when you go to make that move.
00:20:41
Right now, they're talking about, you know, fifth rounder in terms of jettison him before the deadline.
00:20:45
And when you have a guy like B J.
00:20:47
Hill who's underperformed a little bit, then you start to look at in Austin Johnson.
00:20:51
They brought in the off season.
00:20:52
How are you at least gonna replace him in the short term? And you did see, by the way, Austin Johnson and B J Hill get some reps this past game on Thursday night, I don't know if that's an indication.
00:21:00
Maybe they want to get a little small sample size just to see if they could survive that way.
00:21:04
So still curious about it? I just wonder, you know, internally, again, staying competitive, having the team be focused on trying to win games down the next nine.
00:21:13
Getting rid of a guy that's probably one of your 15 best players on the roster right now.
00:21:18
It does send a bad message to the team.
00:21:20
Well, when you're talking about potential 15 15th best player, I was curious.
00:21:25
You know, outside of those guys, you know, we've already stated Tate, it's probably an obvious one.
00:21:30
Zettler um, you know, on the offensive line, getting older, having a 12.
00:21:34
5 $13 million cap it next year is another potential one.
00:21:38
Is there anyone else that you're keeping your eye on through Monday and Tuesday of next week? You know, names like Logan Ryan, who signs short term but shown promise, Ah, guy like Jabrill peppers, who is young that we've traded for but may be ableto bring us back a significant hall like, Is there anyone specifically that you're keeping your eye on in the next seven days? I tend to stay away from it from Logan Ryan because I think he's been so important to the to the quality of the football on the defensive side.
00:22:04
So you don't again.
00:22:05
You don't want to take away a piece like that that could really open up the floodgates and push this team the defense's side of the ball anyway, back to where it was last year, right? And that's really hard football to watch for a Giants fan base.
00:22:18
And I think he's helping also just the development of some of these young players.
00:22:21
Peppers, Honestly, you know, go inside the numbers.
00:22:24
He's been okay, you know, he's been okay for us.
00:22:26
He hasn't necessarily been the guy that we thought he was going to be coming in.
00:22:29
I think that it's still it was still great value as a proponent of those trades with Cleveland.
00:22:33
I think that he's helped stem the tide.
00:22:36
But I don't think that we're bringing him back on a second contract.
00:22:39
And we've talked about this before.
00:22:40
I just Unless it was a relatively team friendly deal, he's not coming back, and I actually think you can look.
00:22:46
And Seymour of Logan Ryan back there with an egg Xavier McKinney going forward, at least in the short term, there to pair with him as opposed to a Jabrill Peppers.
00:22:55
You know what's what's interesting is when we think about some of these roster moves, we try to play the chess game that Dave Gettleman and the Giants front offices playing, we say, Oh, Corey Coleman was signed.
00:23:05
You know, it must be that Golden Tate is being shipped out.
00:23:09
There are other scenarios, though, where we can really get deep into it.
00:23:12
For giant fans where they signed Corey Coleman, he may be activated to the to the, you know, official roster to be a special teams return kick return punt return guy.
00:23:22
And with Xavier McKinney coming off of IR student, maybe it is someone like your Bill Pepper peppers who we see being moved out.
00:23:28
And these moves arm or corresponding to him rather than something simple, like the wide receiver position.
00:23:32
So ah, lot for giant fans to kind of absorb and take in.
00:23:35
And the next 67 days there gonna be pretty wild.
00:23:39
Yeah, And as we again, we like to do this.
00:23:41
Just so you know, friends shout out to Cubs rock.
00:23:44
Thanks for the tickets, buddy. All right.
00:23:46
I do think that s so that goes back.
00:23:48
So I'll go back to the tight end position really quickly here.
00:23:51
All of those moves that makes me think maybe they they are willing to take an offer on Evan Ingram if the right one comes along.
00:23:59
And I think probably the sweet spot on that player is fourth round.
00:24:02
If they got 1/4 round rate now from a team that's, you know in the middle toe back into that pack there, then I think they would make the move on it.
00:24:09
Now, if it's 1/5 rounder, I think they stay.
00:24:11
But you make these things correlate.
00:24:13
This correlating moves that you're ready to elevate some guys from the practice squad.
00:24:17
You're ready to have depth there as well.
00:24:18
Likewise to your point about Corey Coleman you're talking about.
00:24:22
Peppers has been there on special teams, right? He's gone back there on punt returns, etcetera.
00:24:26
Maybe you want to give someone else a look other than Cory Ballentine, who's been there on kickoff.
00:24:30
So the the Corey Coleman move could be indicative of a larger roster move that could be looming and peppers might be the one and it would make sense to me.
00:24:40
It would make sense to me, especially if you could get some reasonable value.
00:24:42
What would I'll put it to you? And you know, you've got something there on the tip of your tongue.
00:24:46
But what would be value to you for your girl peppers before the deadline? Well, it's interesting.
00:24:50
I'm gonna I'm gonna put a pin in that for a second and and go back to Evan Ingram.
00:24:54
So there's a couple of different scouts that have come out and they've asked, you know, the Giants really do want to keep Evan Ingram.
00:25:00
They do think that he's a young asset that could be, uh, part of the rebuild for the Giants in the future.
00:25:05
And when they asked, you know, a lot of people are saying Adam that it's actually a second round pick that everyone is looking.
00:25:12
You know, the Giants are looking for that.
00:25:15
They think teams may actually give up a second round pick for Evan Ingram.
00:25:18
What the scouts have come back and said is we're not convinced that the Giants would take it at this point, which is surprising.
00:25:25
Um, tow us because, you know, as fans thinking about getting assets, we take a second round pick.
00:25:29
You, you run, you run to the league office and make that trade.
00:25:32
But inside, that's what his value is, and you know.
00:25:35
One of the quotes that I saw recently was while Evan Ingram isn't the game changing player that you know is a top five player at one of those positions.
00:25:43
He is a chess piece that you could move around on the chessboard.
00:25:45
That may be unique enough to get you over the hump and or when it helped win a playoff game, well, and by the way, to go back to the beautiful conversation with the head of that lovely gentleman out there on the Internet, I you know, that's one of the things that I talked about, where, when you look around the league because, you know, this is true of a lot of giants in the fan base where they go and then you're going to see him go explode somewhere else and you're gonna be so angry when he makes a big and I've said this consistently to you.
00:26:09
I asked him to go have success somewhere else.
00:26:11
Like I'm not talking about.
00:26:12
Hey, let's try to dump this crummy asset because he's no, you know he's useless for us, but about what can you turn that asset into so even? I mean, listen, second round pick.
00:26:21
We all know I've got his bags packed, that he's on the plane.
00:26:24
But even for the third, even for 1/4 you're talking about, like we said with a late round pick and packaging it, that could end up turning into a nice mid round edge rusher for this defense.
00:26:35
A complimentary cornerback to add to the secondary.
00:26:39
Ah, potential offensive lineman to replace Zettler, whether it's through trade this year or in the off season, if they move on from them, right.
00:26:45
Like that's the difference for the Giants right now where they are.
00:26:49
Versus where? The Green Bay Packers? Maybe.
00:26:52
Yeah.
00:26:53
You put that in Ingram on there, you got You got atoms on the outside.
00:26:55
You got Jones in the back. You got Aaron Rodgers.
00:26:57
He's gonna look great, because and they're gonna get him.
00:26:59
So, Minster, volume targets that is going to come out in the wash when he has these big place.
00:27:04
So I know that he's going to be tremendously valuable.
00:27:06
I would be curious if the Giants are setting that second round kind of bar right now.
00:27:10
If somebody came in with the, you know, maybe it's a three and a five or something like that if they would pull the trigger on it right now and you know, gamesmanship being what it is.
00:27:19
I wonder if the Giants are sitting there saying like, Oh, no, no, no, no.
00:27:23
We like him.
00:27:24
We think he's a part of our rebuild and just hoping that they can push that market a little bit higher here.
00:27:29
If they ultimately would like to move on from him before that, I think, What is it? The third one is the deadline.
00:27:34
It's it's funny because we're now conditioned toe.
00:27:37
Always think about a 3rd and 1/5 round pick in every kind of trade after the Leonard Williams trade were like, How could we get that back? And and it would be interesting to think if we shipped everything room out for a 3rd and 5th and we kept Leonard Williams and signed him to a long term deal.
00:27:51
Basically, it's like we flipped the two players and and ended up giving the money to Leonard Williams instead.
00:28:03
Yeah, and that that really is the way that I look at it, too, and it's not this again.
00:28:08
It's not move a player to recover what you lost.
00:28:11
That's not what we're talking about.
00:28:13
But in general, the important thing eyes just to look at the short and long term of it and understand you're trying to balance the roster.
00:28:21
You're trying to create a competitive team going forward.
00:28:24
We move off of that, we move off of these speculations because until next week, we won't.
00:28:28
Officially no, we'll see what comes out here.
00:28:30
Obviously, we know the Giants won't be playing again until Monday against Tampa Bay, so they're still gonna be some time for them to make those moves.
00:28:36
And at that point, depending on the date there, I guess technically, you could still see come game time if a player gets held out, could be indicative of them being traded.
00:28:45
And that could be a condition off that the final thing very briefly here that I just want to touch on in the closing moments is something for Giants fans to be positive about.
00:28:54
Didn't think, didn't think we'd have it friends.
00:28:56
But we dio we that were of evaluation.
00:29:02
American giants.
00:29:03
We know that we're in a state of evaluation around the quarterback position and Daniel Jones I just wanted to throw out here against the NFC East.
00:29:10
Not a great barometer.
00:29:11
But over these last three weeks, Daniel Jones has posted Q B R ratings in order going back to that game against Dallas.
00:29:19
60.
00:29:20
8 86 and 77.1.
00:29:23
Q B R ratings.
00:29:24
His best three ratings of the season.
00:29:26
Okay, the 60.
00:29:27
8 There's nothing to write home about.
00:29:28
But the last two weeks have been better and over the sample size that we saw if you break it up from the games leading up Thio from September into October, nearly identical 6 99 to 711 pass attempts we've seen him improved from 60% completion percentage 64.
00:29:45
So you know the touchdown interceptions or three and three in this month. So it's dead.
00:29:49
Even.
00:29:50
He was two and four in September, so an improvement there as well, though we'd like to see it get even better in terms of the margins.
00:29:54
It has also run for 200 yards on 19 carries.
00:29:57
We've seen big place from him, patients, friends.
00:30:01
That's what I have to consistently communicate to the fan base.
00:30:04
Look at this information.
00:30:05
I know we have the NFC least in there is the competition for the baseline.
00:30:09
But, hey, you play that, you play the schedule, We're gonna play them again every year going into next year as well.
00:30:13
We have more matchups with them throughout the remainder of this schedule.
00:30:17
So there's reason for optimism that you can look to see is Daniel Jones starting thio toe rise some of these thes stat lines and then continue to build on them over the remaining nine games? Adam, I love it.
00:30:28
You're buttering up our listeners for our Friday prediction show where you're gonna be very bullish on pulling off an upset.
00:30:37
You're gonna throw patients out the window.
00:30:38
And you're saying that Daniel Jones is gonna lead the Giants to victory against Tampa Bay bucks, aren't you? That is what they call a gentleman tease friends.
00:30:49
We will be back in on Friday.
00:30:50
We'll break down the Tampa Bay matchup.
00:30:52
Unfortunately, it's gonna be all the way on Monday, but we, of course, will come in in law, uh, into our official Christians on Monday evening before that action kicks off.
00:31:04
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00:31:20
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00:31:30
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00:31:38
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@Landondodgers35 #3 IOWA HAWKEYES BEAT WESTERN ILLNOIS 99-58 REACTION #NCAAM#CBB#Iowa#WesternIllinois#AllTalk#Recap
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@QuinnRileySprts (1-0) Florida vs. (1-2) Boston College - 12/3 #CBB#NCAAB#AllTalk#PxP
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@DPN_Ray Adjustments will be made if needed with Cam Newton’s injury, claims Patriots coach Bill Belichick #NFL#AllTalk#Prediction#Patriots#SplitScreen
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