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Connor, should we get right into the pole of the day, my friend.
The poll of the day.
We have a lot to dissect with the poll of the day.
I feel like we do.
So there was a, um, all right, let's put it this way.
After Sunday's game, there was a lot of Cam Newton bashing.
Even yesterday's poll, when we said Who's to blame for the Patriots? Even though team lost 1 18% of people chose Cam Newton is the reason the Patriots lost.
We did get 100 votes on the DOT for this, so we got a pretty good feeling of where Patch Nation is.
We got a lot of comments as well.
78% of Patriot fans want to see Cam Newton starts on Sunday against the Buffalo Bill.
So let me ask you this.
Given what we saw on Twitter on Sunday after that loss, are you surprised that he won so handedly today at 78%? I mean, I guess a little bit because there were people obviously calling for him to be benched after having such a poor performance performance.
So I figured more people would be kind of high on Stidham and shying away from Cam Newton.
I had a feeling he'd still win.
I was one of the people who did vote for Cam Newton to stay the starting quarterback.
I think it's too early to shy away from him.
It's been a few poor starts, but I think we have to give him at least one more chance.
Yeah, and I was.
One of the people who voted for Cam Newton to start is well, I mean, I don't see a scenario in the world where you don't start Cam Newton.
It's I think it's ridiculous that people even thought that they should start.
But I mean, look, Cam Newton hasn't been good.
We can't deny that right.
He hasn't been good, and I mean he since he's tested positive for Kobe, he's not look like the same guy Now.
He's not making any excuses.
He's saying all the right things, but at some point we need the right things to stop being said, and we just need you to go out and perform on the field.
Matthew Slater kind of put the Patriots on blast instead that the attitude and will wasn't there on Sunday.
I agree and I mean, that's Matthew Slater, man.
That's a guy whose whose name holds a lot of weight in that locker room.
Yep, he's been a long time leader, but was there ever a scenario where you looked at the situation and thought, Man, there's no way Cam Newton can start on Sunday? Because in my mind, Cam Newton was always starting on Sunday.
To me, it's kind of a no brainer.
I mean, maybe if Jared Stidham had shown us some reason why he should take over, then I'd feel a little bit differently.
I mean, regardless, it's on Lee to really poor starts, so I still think it's unfair to shy away from him.
But what Z, What's the point of really going to stadium? Oh, yeah.
You there were good.
We're back. We're back. Alright, nice.
That was That was all on me.
Uh, ****ing Internet, man.
Well, we'll have to edit up this audio before, uh, before it hits the airwaves tomorrow, as they like to say.
So, um, what were you saying before I just cut out? I was saying I don't see any benefit and then starting Jarrett Stidham.
He hasn't shown us any reason to think he's gonna be an improvement over Cam Newton or that he's gonna be the franchise of the I mean, the quarterback of the franchise.
So I don't see any benefit of him starting over can new and And I think it's just too early to shy away from the guy.
Yeah, I 100% agree with that ****ysis.
I mean, I just happened this morning.
I was watching some stuff on YouTube on my TV when I was just getting ready for, you know, working, getting my kids ready for school.
And it just happened that a video flipped over and I went over to the Brady six, and that was playing in the background.
And it's funny because I know there's a lot of people upset with Bill Belichick, too, and they let Tom Brady walk.
But it was talking about his 2000 season after he got drafted and the Patriots carried four quarterbacks and the Patriots carried four quarterbacks because they were afraid they were gonna lose Tom Brady.
They released him and tried to move into the to the practice squad.
Could you imagine if Twitter existed back then and Bill Belichick was keeping four quarterbacks on the roster, one being the 199 pick overall.
Because anybody outside of Michigan fans you know, anybody outside of people who love the Wolverines, either.
Didn't know who Tom Brady was or never thought that he was ever going to take the job from Drew Bledsoe.
And, you know, and and look, And the whole thing about that is people would just, you know, they make idiotic comments and they talk about how stupid Bill Belichick is.
And you know, that's what he does.
Oh, are That's what they do.
And they would never admit that they were wrong three years later.
And, you know, they would criticize him for something else because that's what people dio right.
And at the time, I probably would have been one of them.
I would have been like, Why are we keeping four quarterbacks? Nobody ever does that.
Like what? Do we really think this sixth around 100 and 99 pick is going to do something? We have drew blood.
Zo, who has a massive contract, is gonna be the starting quarterback for years, I probably would have wanted to cut the guy.
Excuse me? You're the one who told me they were gonna win in 11 games.
Plus, with Jared Stidham this season, that was camp new.
And I think 10 years.
No, you told me 11 games with Jared before once Cam Newton came.
E gotta stop with these. Overly 11.
11 became the floor.
When? When 11 became the floor.
When Cam Newton came.
That was looking good like Week two.
Right now, Now, not so much.
What do they need to do? Go undefeated the rest of the season here.
Did you remember when they lost to the Seattle Seahawks and how way all felt? I'm good way came and did that post game that night.
I'm like, I feel great.
You're like, to is best loss ever.
Everybody on Twitter is a state like I've never felt so good after a loss.
And you know, now it's like tank for Trevor Lawrence.
And let's get to some of the comments from this poll, and then we'll get into the big one.
But, uh, you know, look vicariously.
Patriots go read his blog's That's our former Facebook operator.
and researcher and e mean Jack of All Trades Joe.
But he wrote, I like Stidham.
But Nunes experience in Russia Ability says Play him when neither quarterback is showing any difference in their passing ability.
And I mean, he's got a point that i e.
It's not like Jared Stidham came out and stole the show and people want to say, Oh, well, you know, Tom Brady came out and took Drew Bledsoe's job, right? Jared Stidham is now, but in two positions where he came out and okay, he took Brian Hoyer's job.
Either one of us could have taken Hoyer's job, and I think Brian Moore gave his job away rather than took it.
And he could have taken Cam Newton's job.
And what do you do? He came out through a bad pick and just looked awful right and no better.
I mean, not like he looked just about his Cam Newton. Exactly.
So it's Yeah, you gotta go with him on this.
He's been our best pastor statistically this season.
E think that's not That's not wrong.
In NFL, he is a part of the SportsCastr news team here on SportsCastr, he said.
Blake Bortles Blake Bortles is he's still available? I thought someone scientists e think he's with Denver, all right, I think they might have cut him, actually.
Also, maybe we can get him.
Um, New England nations does Cam.
If all backfires, then we throw Stidham to preserve Cam.
All right, Rusty McKeever, says Steve Grogan.
Steve Grogan? Is he still available? I'm sure he's not.
Find anywhere and then see Jack says Trevor Lawrence.
And let's talk a little bit about Trevor Lawrence.
Are the Patriots bad enough to even be in the conversation for Trevor Lawrence? I think they've already won too many games to Yeah, I honestly do.
I don't know if the Jets will win three games.
Do you think they will? I don't think they will.
No, but there's three quarterbacks, right? There's there's Trevor Lawrence.
There's Fields right? And then the other kids what I could see.
Is a team like the Giants having the second or third pick? I think they're happy with Daniel Jones and perhaps the Patriots being able to trade into that position, right? I think that would be the only way because I don't see them being one of the worst three or four teams in the week.
Despite how bad things were going, I still don't think they're gonna be two and 14.
Okay, Now, 100 votes today.
Yeah, seven people.
It has to be a troll.
It had to have been a joke.
Seven people voted for Brian Hoyer.
But before we get into that vote, I don't know if you saw the tweets going back and forth between our boy Ted W.
He said he was listening to W E I yesterday which obviously I can't listen to appear in Canada and you told me not to listen to anyways, even if I could.
Apparently, the callers were calling into yesterday's show saying Start Brian Hoyer because he's a better quarterback, has a better arm and is more reliable than Cam Newton.
Okay, based on what the one game where he looked absolutely abysmal are I think that they said let him get them to the red zone and then put in Cam Newton.
That was very exact.
That sounds about right for the people who call into these shows.
They come up with these crazy schemes where they'll use Brian Hoyer and he's going to do great.
And then once they get past the 50 yard line, the only rushed the ball with Newton.
I don't know why would you ever want to play Brian Hoyer after what he showed us? Does this just continue to say what I say all the time that were just the most spoiled fan base in the world and pretty much.
And you know what? I have said that you guys in Boston or just, you know, because it's title town.
It's like it's and it's been so good for so long there in so many different sports, you just don't know how to handle this, right? I know people are having meltdowns on Twitter all the time.
People are losing their minds well.
And I think that, you know, perhaps if the Celtics would have went to the finals and not kind of ****ed away the championship before the two Bruins as well the Bruins.
The stocks have a bad stocks were horrible and and you you you took the over.
I did on 35 wins on the year.
Thankfully, not for real money.
E remember, we had that guy from whatever was a fanduel or whatever.
Oh, yes, I do remember that.
We went over and we were looking at the over under's, and I and you made me choose The Red Sox is my number one to give us the most points.
Take the over and make it the 10 pointer.
Well, we lost 10 points on that, Garner.
Yeah, we certainly did.
I don't think they came even close to winning 35 games.
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And for those of you watching live, it's time that we get to I guess it's a switch.
Sides of the field, right? The old switcheroo.
We just hit halftime.
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Show is all mine.
So I have a question right out the gate that we already had a little interaction going on with the main crew on Twitter.
And that's a Julian Edelman trade.
My question is one.
Is there even a market for Julian Edelman at this point to, if there is, is this value so low that it doesn't even make sense for the Patriots toe? Want to trade him? And three what's really the future for Julian Edelman if he stays the same.
Okay, three very in depth questions.
Listen, unless Julian Edelman is a locker room issue, which were pretty darn it.
He's not the way he's playing right now.
Like I was trying to say it on Twitter today.
If you guys wanna go watch that conversation, Um, and I was tweeting through our company one, but I think you could tell it was me who was tweeting.
Um, as I was saying on that, though, it's what is he worth right now, at best, a conditional sixth round pick.
I mean, I know that I saw our boy somber saying, Maybe we get a third and, uh, if we package it up, I'm like a third For what it be like Adelman in 1/4 toe, one of the top 10 3 picks I'm like it's basically gonna be like having a late third, which is basically 1/4.
You're not really getting anything. Form the exchange.
You're not gonna get a third round pick for Julian Edelman right now.
It's not the way the NFL works.
I'm talking about like a conditional six that they wanted to move them right now.
I don't know how big the market is.
If he's gonna go anywhere, he's gonna go somewhere with depth.
I've seen some Patriot fans say, Oh, trade him over to Tampa Bay.
Well, where is he gonna fit in Tampa Bay right now? There's no room for Julian Edelman there, you know.
So it's gonna be a depth piece.
And as for what's going on with him, I don't know.
I heard that he's playing injured and I could be it he's had.
Maybe he's not clicking with Cam Newton.
I mean, he's getting last.
I was talking to my dad tonight.
My dad says, You know, some of these guys like Julian Edelman, they never played with a mobile quarterback before.
You know, they don't you know, it's a different style.
They had Tom Brady, a pocket quarterback his whole career.
It's different playing with Cam Newton, whereas a guy like Nikkila Harry while we say he's playing better, but it's is he really playing better? The only really receiver that I'm actually really hopeful for on this team right now is Jacoby Meyers, because he finally got an opportunity, improved himself the same way he proved himself last season.
I don't understand why the Patriots hadn't played him until the Kill Gary Harry got injured and the resistance of giving this kid an opportunity because he proved himself last season.
He proved himself in the pre season last year and he played half a game or whatever three quarters of a game, and he proved himself again.
As for Julian Edelman, I don't think there's a market at all for Edelman.
What do you think? I think you're you gotta be right on that one.
I mean, I don't think it would make sense for the Patriots to move him unless it was a decent pick.
At this point, you might as well keep him around.
And it's sad because he's been so good for so long and for us, the city, and be like, I don't know any team that would I want to give anything considerably decent for him not to say nobody would want him.
I'm sure maybe somebody would want him, but they'd say, Yeah, if you accept, the sixth round pick will take Julian Edelman because before this, we would be talking about first round pick, second round pick whatever it might be.
And now for him to just go down and value so much is just It's It's sad, man.
And Julian Edelman is one of those guys like Rob Gronkowski, Tom Brady.
You're not allowed to insult in this city, right? And I love Julian Edelman, and I don't know if people are probably sick of hearing that my dog is named Jewels and named after Julian Edelman.
But I love Julian Edelman.
He's not the Julian Edelman from yesteryear.
He's not the gentleman from two years ago, and it really his.
I don't know if you wanna call it decline or his body breaking down or whatever that may be that really started.
Last season, we started seeing the drops now drop started last season, big time now.
He was seriously injured last season.
He was so beat up and broken, I kind of gave him the past.
This year, he can't get separation.
He can't get open.
He's scared to take a hit.
We saw him fall straight to his back against Kansas City so he wouldn't take a hit.
He's getting what, like 70% of the game plan.
I think I laid it out for you last week.
It's like Demir birds getting like 90% of the snaps.
Nikkila Harry, 85.
Julian Edelman was at, like 72 or 76.
The only thing is, though, now it's probably gonna be different after that San Francisco game because he wasn't targeted by the way he wasn't getting open.
But before San Francisco, whenever he was on the field, he had been targeted more than anybody else 20% of the time that he was on the field taking a snap, Cam Newton threw the football right.
And now do you? Do you think we see Julian Edelman as a patriot next season? Do you think this is his last year? What do you think happens to him from here? Is this contract up after this year? I want to say no.
I want to say there's two more years, but I don't I don't know if he's just gonna retire and I don't know what would happen.
He's how old now, 34 34.
I know we signed a two year contract.
I can't no, no, it was last year.
The year before his contract expires at the end of 2020 once we've got one more year, but it's only a $2.
6 million debt. Hit.
If they wanted to move on from him, they would save 4.
Well, next year they're gonna have all the cap in the world all of a sudden, I know.
But why keep Julian Edelman around right? I know that's the whole piece.
What is the purpose of keeping Julian Edelman around in 2021 right? Yeah, again, it's He looks like he's in great shape, you know? He shows his shirt off and he's ripped, but he doesn't look like the Edelman from before and again I bring this back to He hasn't looked like Adelman since Gronkowski retired, and I have to ask the question.
And I hate asking this question, guys, I really hate asking this question.
But is Julian Edelman to rob Gronkowski what Mohammed Sunu was to Julio Jones? Right, because we've seen both those guys separated from those two guys.
They ain't looking great.
I think it's a lot easier to shine when you have somebody else that they have to pay so much attention to.
You kind of go under the radar there.
Well, and you could send Gronkowski a decoy.
And I remember during that if the championship game against the Chiefs, when Romo was making all the calls and he'd say, You gotta put Gronk out here and it Adelman over the middle, that's where you gotta go.
And you know, that's what they were doing.
And they got him in the favorable positions Gronkowski took on the top.
Safety is top cornerbacks.
They had guys covering him.
Now they're on Edelman and he can't get separation.
And you know what? And, dude, I mean, and this is I'm struggling about what To make the poll question tomorrow because I think the argument is to the Patriots be buyers or sellers.
We gotta wait to see what happens this weekend before Belichick could make that decision right.
And that that actually leads me into The next question is, I'm not sure if you saw this on Twitter today, but I put I would see the 4781st trade Rumor of the year on Twitter is that the Patriots are interested in Adam Dylan with the way that they're playing lately.
Would that make any sense? What difference does he make? That's my question.
And I saw the feeling one as well.
I just ignored it because we've seen Julio Jones hoping Green, um, the dude from Detroit Levian Bel Robinson.
Alan Robinson's like Now Golden Tate has come up from New York.
So, like every name under the book.
Ooh, Jack Doyle.
You know, I'm surprised Gronkowski and Brady aren't trade rumors.
Maybe that's a package.
You know, Tampa's these things that we've done enough.
And I said this last week, This team is more than a piece away, right? I agree with you completely there.
Now that you say it, one piece isn't gonna make this go away.
It's not going to fix the defense.
It's not gonna fix the office.
My dad and I got into a debate about this tonight.
He said, Well, the defense is always on the field.
I said, Yeah, but Dad, the defense let up opening drive points.
The defense let up second drive points.
You're not tired at that point.
That has nothing to do with the offense at that point in time.
That is sorry, guys, that has nothing for anyone in the park.
As I hit the mike, get an animal.
I'm getting a talent.
Um, it has nothing to do with the offense.
So it's That's I think my concern is.
Where's Josh Uchi is.
We need a linebacker like now.
If we get Josh Luce back safe for Buffalo and he tightens up that defense, then I might look you and say, Yeah, Adam feeling? But we need a tight end to like Dalton Keen did nothing in his debut.
He's done nothing.
Ryan Izzo's or top tight end Ryan is always the third tight end on the worst tight end crew in the NFL last year.
So I mean, we need a receiver we need.
We need a tight end.
If that was the only problem on the team, we need Cam Newton to give his head a shake and start making better reads, and we need to fix the defense, especially in the middle of the field.
The Patriots are ran on.
I don't think people are, and I don't think people I'm gonna go through a game by game.
Okay? Because I don't think people are really understanding week by week.
How much teams are running on the Patriots, Okay, It it is what I think about it could have been a three and out yesterday.
Should have been.
And what happens? Jimmy G. Okay.
Yeah. He should have had a lot.
We could have Jimmy G before the line. Yeah.
Okay, so they gave up 87 against Miami.
They're not great running the ball.
That bad example to make my point.
154 against the Seattle Seahawks.
And that was a game they threw.
And yeah, that's a game that Russell Wilson was throwing the ball like crazy to D. K. Metcalf.
Then against the Raiders, they gave up 126.
Week four against Kansas City.
Now, I'm not gonna knock the defense.
Too bad for that game because they held Kansas City, as we all know, but they gave up 94 Russian yards, right? Not bad.
They didn't play week five Week six.
Phillip, Lindsay, Lindsay A not a top tier running back a good running back, not a top tier.
They running for 135 yards on them 135 yards in a game that you knew Phillip Lindsay was gonna be running the football so couldn't stop him.
197 yards yesterday on Sunday, on top of the 270 passing yards.
Eso Look, guys, the defense in four or six games have given up 1 20 plus in Russian.
It's a problem, and I don't know why we can ignore it.
And I'm not just putting this season on the defense. It's the defense.
It's the offense, this team.
And that's why I don't know if UK makes a difference.
I hope it does like I want to see him in.
I hope you can play against Buffalo and Buffalo can run the football man.
Buffalo can run and they can pass, so I don't know where the Patriots go from here.
I don't know how Adam feeling helps this team, right? Right? It just seems like it might not even make sense for them to go and make that type of move just because obviously of course, will make them better But how much better? You know what? What's the point? If the Patriots could bring one player on this team, who would you want them to bring in any position? Any position? I I I wanted them to try and get to Shawn Watson before he signed with the Texans because he was supposed to be a free agent next season before they locked him up in the Patriots.
We're gonna have all that cap space.
I would have loved to see them get Watts.
And I think he's an absolute stud.
So I would say him.
But I know that's not gonna happen.
They're never gonna bring him over somebody more.
Somebody more realistic.
Fantasy was fine, but yeah, who would be realistic would be a realistic pick.
I want to see them get a tight end.
Whether that is David the joke Who? Jack Doyle.
If they want to go get Trey Burton, that'd be great.
Somebody who we know can actually catch the football.
I don't know if I want Trey Burton no gets injured a lot.
I'm not a big, uh and and to me, unless you're a Gronk where you're just absolutely so dominant when you're not injured.
I don't want another problem.
Uh, dude, I mean, for me, it was fantasy and B j J.
If we could get JJ Watt or any of the Watt brothers T J J J J you know, nay, nay, Leila, whatever a type of what I'll just the mother on this team e mean, like, if your last name is what I want you realistically, David a joke.
Who is my is my target or Jack Doyle? They kind of split between the two.
That would be my realistic target, but I wouldn't Patriot fans if they get them, I wouldn't be looking at That's for next year.
And that's what I look at a guy like David.
The joke, because you can look at them, is your long term solution.
You don't have to worry about drafting.
High and tight are drafting tight and high in the draft.
You can go with David a joke, you and and then try to do something better in the draft picks that year, right? Or, you know, from there they could decide the better of the two between Dalton and Keen and our CRC going forward if they have a Joker to fall back on and Ryan iso can go to the practice squad.
Uh, all right, so, uh, I got one last question for you.
This is this came in from summers on Twitter, But it's also a question somebody asked me in person the other day, and for the first time in 20 years, I didn't have an answer for them.
Will the Patriots make the playoffs? We've talked about this a lot.
My answer now all of a sudden, is I don't know which upto, Probably two days ago.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Definitely. Definitely.
Now, the answer is maybe not.
All right, so you know me very well.
We've got to know each other a lot in the last six months, both on camera and off camera.
Uh, people who have watched me since 2017 know that I am the most optimistic Positive.
Maybe two home Irish Patriots fan out there.
Right? Like it, Z, I hate the fact that we've been criticizing Patriots player, right? I don't know, man.
Um, I guess Sunday will be a big test Sunday.
I was gonna say sign Sunday is gonna tell us, right? But if you needed a yes or no answer right now, this kind of tells you what I think about the game on Sunday.
I'm gonna have to say no, I don't I don't think the play insurance are a playoff team.
Uh, there's there's too many issues in.
I'm not impressed with their special teams.
I mean gonna know.
Chesky is making terrible reads running loves to run the ball out, even if he is in the end zone.
He loves to go for a terrible the Onley to the Onley to consistent players on that team.
The punter is Jake Bailey and as of lately, Nick full Nick folk lately.
Yeah, and you know, and I'll throw Joe Tooni.
Joe Tooni, Tooni.
Yeah, I know he's injured now.
I don't know. I don't know if he'll be back for Buffalo.
But Joe Tooni has probably been the only other guy who's been consistently consistent throughout this season.
Every other player and every other bought in every other position has been inconsistent.
Can we ask? Can I ask you? Worst case Whenever it's been the last two weeks, I know I know.
He was so stellar coming out.
We thought he was gonna be have the biggest season.
And maybe he's still will.
But the past two weeks, I think he's been invisible out there as well.
And that s so you got him invisible.
Then you had John Bentley, who was our player of the game against Denver, and to me, he was one of the scapegoat to the games yesterday.
I could have put his name alone and said, Is he one of the reasons that they're responsible? Because he made some bad plays and took stupid penalties? Yes.
Yeah, he had a very bad game, too.
I mean, that was one of the worst Patriots games I have ever seen in my entire life that that's why it all.
That's why I was happy that team lost won the pole.
But I was a little disappointed that Patriot fans only had it at 63% and had, you know and put the blame on one person because that was there was too much blame to go around in that Jake Bailey's only one that shouldn't be blamed right? Even and even he kicked and even he punted one into the end zone.
You know, like that's just that it was that kind of game.
Penalties, poor tackling, No technique, Just silly mistakes, turnovers, everything the Patriots usually do not do they have been doing? Yeah, it's it's absolutely awful, man.
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