have you guys have taken the time out of your day to join me and Corbyn Ford Happy to have him on this podcast here.
This man is definitely in the podcast game heavy right now.
He's getting it done over on the broadcast side.
He's the host of MBA today, co host of Duncan Dynasty, and he has a new little giggle from fans side.
Why don't you tell the folks a little bit about what you got going on fan side of right now, man? Actually, so Yeah, I was just I was just actually got to him because I got a new one.
But I was co side editor for Value of the Sun's for men over there.
So covering the Phoenix Suns doing articles there? Um, that was good.
And then, um, fortunately for it, I was kind of sudden, but I had stepped away.
Um, not only to focus on my own work here, but also, um I reckon library until voting and stuff was working heavy over there.
So I was kind of picking up over there, but actually just was ableto get a spot writing for a premium hoops.
I'm not sure you heard about them, but I just got over there. So it's been nice.
Has been like you said, We're all trying toe grind and get some stuff out and get to work.
And you've been doing ab and listen to your pot on the regular, so I'm happy to try to the same here.
I'm happy you finally got the chance to jump on, man.
We're trying to hook up for a minute.
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Um, not too long ago.
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So in the same team at the same team.
You were the cap guru a little bit with the cat man, But hey, we cannot forget about how well you just dominated the game with that dress With with time, man, you're killing it out there.
I appreciate you get out there.
It's all about first impressions, man.
That was a dope first impression.
So Let's dive into the concept Here, guys.
Me and Corbyn, we're gonna discuss a few the teams here while we get to the free agency. Period.
We have a little bit of a law on the NBA action.
We're gonna look at some teams that have a lot of pressure on them to make some moves and really get the train movie for them in free.
And, you know, the off season here, Uh, you know, some teams that I think most of these teams have wanted to do a little bit better in the bubble.
Attn Least Most of them, you know, kind of fell short of expectations.
So I think the pressures on them a little bit more to make some moves, whether it's the draft, whether it's to re sign some guys, maybe less.
Some guys go make some trades, they're definitely gonna be looking to bolster their team and change up some things in their lineups as we move towards the next season.
But Corbyn, can you believe men like one year ago today we're looking at the Lakers and the Clippers going at a battle of L A round one.
I can't believe many years already, man.
Like, where's the time going? I honestly don't know, man.
It's like some weird wormhole because you're right.
Like I still remember vividly where I was when that happened.
Uh, Danny Green knocking down with seven threes.
That game quite pulling out the storylines.
Yeah, he was our big storylines writing themselves as it happened.
Um, and it was We're not only to think about how much times past but even through the lens of Lakers fan, how the Lakers play back then and how they evolved, you know, they were just post up monster back then.
But anyway, just thinking about how the time is phone, like you said, it's I don't know.
I don't know it just right.
And here we are.
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around everything, and it's all of a sad man.
We're coming out Thio October in October, and it's like we don't have tip off what's going on out here? Yeah, What's killing me even more is that the holiday season comes.
I don't really do a lot on the holidays for Christmas, man.
You know what Christmas is about? I'm watching the games.
I'm playing two K in between.
And now the whole thing is gone.
It's like what, like some of my fondest memories are during, you know, Christmas basketball.
Seen here is gonna be a little bit of, ah, difficult.
A little bit difficult, but different transition for us.
But when we got stuff like this going on, podcast into candle, that stuff, man, it's it's a So will you utilize that and we'll get to the other side you need.
So let's go ahead and dive into the team that a lot of people have in their minds.
We're looking at teams that are under a lot of pressure, and teams that definitely went under a lot of scrutiny over on Twitter and all over social media in this past few weeks, the Los Angeles Clippers man definitely need to find a way.
Thio kind of bounced back from that playoff exit against Denver.
That wasn't a good look for him.
And there's some rumblings in that camp about Hawaii wanting a point guard and, you know, he going through some stuff and that whole team was just, um it looked like They kind of got uprooted a little bit in that playoff run. They didn't let themselves.
So they definitely need to make some moves here as it pertains to their lineup.
But, I mean, Corbett, do you feel like the Clippers have basically that core that they need to make the next jump like it's just minor moves like Tyler coming in tow? Helm the ship and and things like that moves on the margins to get that next step towards wanting a championship over there.
I mean, yeah, I felt like they had it to begin with, you know? I mean, mind you, a lot of the flaws that happened.
I think we're inherent of the players that they that they added to their team.
But we were looking at them having a deep bench, looking at having a roster that before CO y and Paul.
George not only had a surprisingly strong season last year, but gave a tough eighth seed out, um, to the Golden State Warriors of the year before, So you kind of a court in place, kind of some kind of structure.
If anything, I think not blaming the stars.
But the culture shifted I think that was a bigger reason for the collapse is anything I mean, their defense of sub optimal at times, even though they had a pretty strong unit.
Um, coaching decisions we already know by the former Doc Rivers are in in Los Angeles.
As far as playing Montrose hair a lot of minutes let their demise.
But like if you looked at the roster and that's why I kind of pushed back out to use it.
But just in general, this same rocks that people peg toe win the whole thing.
All of a sudden I was written with holes, you know what I mean? It was like it's the same weaknesses and strengths that I had to begin with that every other team had to begin with.
But on its face, it was a pretty strong team.
It was just unfortunate cir***stances.
Starting Harrow, Lou Will, Pat Bev.
And ultimately, I just don't think they had the collective togetherness and resiliency to withstand a 31 comeback from the Nuggets.
And as a shame that is, to that.
I think that kind of relies solely on the players.
Yeah, I'm with you, man.
Like when you look at that roster.
It's like, you know, there are up 31 for a reason.
Uh, these guys were definitely talented and they had lost.
ER, the of course was expected.
What championship? For obvious reasons.
I mean, you look at Kawai and that past playoff when we all expected quite to kind of carry that team through whatever laws they went through.
And I think it was a little bit of a shock for for them and for the fans to see them kind of come up short and quiet, not producing a Game seven, that you would expect him to considering what he's done in the past, you know, for Toronto, for for the Spurs and just got of that pedigree that he's built over the years.
But of course, looking at the cap situation, it's not like they could do a lot, anyway.
I mean, with that, um, committed salary for next season, including Capital already had 100 15 mil.
It's not like they have a lot of wiggle room, so really, it's gonna come down to some of those guys that air free agents and you're looking at Montrose Harold, Reggie Jackson, Marcus Morris.
I mean those of some guys they're gonna have to think long and hard about if they want to resign them.
And then how to do that and a benefit for them is that, you know, some of these guys, they have bird rights on them, so they could definitely teeth the capture resign and if they like, um, Trays is definitely a prime example of that.
And luckily for the for the Clippers, I say luckily, but it depends how you look at it.
He had a sub optimal run during that bubble experience.
Definitely decrease his value.
I think, in the face of potential suitors, um, it definitely hurt the run, you know, in that current time, but going forward from that, it could help the Clippers to re sign him in a more of, like a reasonable salary.
So maybe instead of looking at, like, 15 to 18 maybe it's, you know, 10 to 12 or 13 a season.
Like if you would just have to kind of, you know, shuffle around that what we think of him like when it comes to his playoff run.
Was it more like just a mental block he was going through because, I mean, this guy doesn't just all of a sudden go from, you know, sixth man of the year, you know, like coming in clutch for the Clippers, time and time again to a non factor without something, I think in his mind going on.
I know he had a family emergency and everything that probably wait, wait, don't have a lot.
I mean, like, I know this guy could produce and no, he's a grinder, is an energy player, and the energy just wasn't there for him.
So maybe it's just that simple.
Like he still has the goods to make it happen.
I think a lot of you already mentioned the cir*** cir***stances that preceded the bubble or just happened just in the beginning of the bubble, in terms off, having that family situation and coming in and out and all of that.
But he was also, I think, out of shape a little bit, which is some of the explosiveness, you know, and and that's understandable as well.
Um, and the other thing was just the Denver Nuggets capitalizing on ah, well known weakness of Harold's, which is on the defensive end.
Uh, time and time again, and some of us on Doc Rivers for playing him those heavy minutes and having staggered directly with, uh, Nikolai Yokich and that just wasn't optimal, not only for the Clippers in general, but for my entrance in particular.
There was no way he was gonna win that match up.
You just bigger, just more skilled down there.
Just There was nothing that how could do on one of his better defensive days.
And that's saying a lot, being that Harold's not a great defender, So I think it just kind of playing his hands.
And you're right.
It does make an interesting situation for the Clippers, where he almost he definitely didn't almost.
He played himself out of money.
And so, like, that works for the Clippers cause and saying, Okay, man, well, there's more.
Negotiate with you came in, You know, obviously this weakness that you've had hasn't helped you could say it's a reason why we were out.
We can give you this amount of money to kind of keep you with our core, whatever the case may be.
But you understand.
Hey, you're free to go see if other opportunities out there But you want opportunity where you'll be able to win like you have here because of the teams that have the space, we already know where they're at.
And the one team that probably is the need and the space isn't gonna be a winner in a in a minute.
That Charlotte? Exactly.
I mean, the grass isn't always greener.
No, like, you know, you could jump ship, but it doesn't automatically guarantee you're gonna get what you're looking for.
Yeah, for trends.
It might just be simply Hey, come back.
You know, you take a little bit of a pay hit, but, I mean, the experience of being in a core like that being a championship team, it's gonna be huge for him and then going forward from his situation.
I mean, we're looking at like I like Marcus Morris.
I mean, he, you know, he had a solid experience.
I mean, he did all right.
And you know, of course, he got into a scuffles, as you know, is to be expected.
He's that tough guy, ruffles feathers and be like a tough guy based on, like, what do you do in the bubble? Just like trying to start fights with everybody.
Like, I don't know, that makes you a tough guy.
But that's kind of why I will stand on that whole thing myself.
Yeah, it depends how you look at it, but, I mean, they definitely have the personnel to make another run.
Uh, the other guy, I really look at there and say like, he just doesn't seem like he's a fit to come back, is Reggie Jackson and got like Reggie. Um, he's talented.
I mean, he's got some tools, you know, on paper.
I mean, we also like, Oh, that's a no brainer.
You bringing Reggie? Ah, buyout guy from from Detroit.
I mean, that's easy.
You bring in a guy that's a starter and you know, he was previously science.
Like what? Like a five year, $80 million deal with Detroit years ago.
It's like, Oh, this guy started.
Material is coming off the bench. You could start in a pinch.
But of course, on paper and in practice are two different things.
Hey was erratic. He was inconsistent.
And I mean that the Clippers gonna think long and hard about this again.
And if the reports are true that Quiet was clamoring for a point guard.
I mean, what does that say about the future of Reggie Jackson? He might just You might as well just start taking offers from other teams right now and and packing his bags of quiet.
It's not a fan of your performance.
Then I think you're really just kinda out of a job there, so yeah, yeah, tough situation for him. Exactly.
And you said, I mean, he was.
I mean, his numbers on its head looked decent, basic, like, 11 and four.
But some of that was in Detroit before coming over.
And then he had his moments with the Clippers like really early.
But after that, you said erratic.
His defense was all over.
He had some poor shot selection, was a converting, said shots, average four points and just under and assist a game in the playoffs spread across over 12 games and over 14 minutes a contest.
It wasn't like he was just coming in garbage time, so he was just utterly ineffective.
And then for someone that I mean Lakers fans, all everyone was saying Wow, this is a get off a buyout guy who was starting 14.
I'll be it a lottery team.
But somebody can come in, come off the bench and make this team a you know, that much stronger.
And that just wasn't what happened.
And you're right.
He probably played himself to a minimum contract.
After seeing what happened with that erratic, ineffective style, another contender is gonna look at that and go, Yeah, that's the guy we want, you know? I don't think so.
He'll definitely a team, I think.
But as far as you know what and how much? Yeah, it won't be with the Clippers, and you said it.
And I think that goes for Pat Bev and anyone who considers himself a point guard on the roster that was looking for an upgrade in your point guard. That's your position.
Then, like man, that's a straight shot.
Thio exactly like okay.
And like Beverly to me, it's weird because I don't look like a traditional point guard, either.
Almost feel like he's a point guard in the sense that KCP was for the Lakers, you know.
But the problem is that LeBron is really the point guard for the Clippers.
E for the Lakers for the Lakers and that if you take uh, Pat Beverley and he's like point guard, name only.
Who is the actual point guard for the Clippers? Because Paul George Co I made striving this plane making, but it's not kuai.
And then there's no one else, exactly it zits, definitely tough all around.
But, I mean, with the subtle additions that I'm sure they're gonna make and, you know, bringing a guy like Tyler, I mean, they're gonna be in great position, and, you know, that was a great need for them. Was was head coach.
And I guess, Doc, it just went on his welcome.
He'd had one too many blown 31 leads.
I mean, e think two is the limited people.
231 leads in your coaching.
And I think that's kind of like the Yeah, but I mean, that's That's definitely a key need for them that they addressed.
But of course there's another team, you know, in the Western Conference.
That hasn't quite addressed that yet.
We're still trying to figure out where they're gonna go from here.
Houston is another example of that.
So you said I'm just like I'm so happy like I could see why Daryl Morey stepped away from that job.
Because if you have dedicated the last 3 to 4 years of just trying to be countercultural and just trying to just find competitive advantages and in different places and pushing the envelope towards small ball, you go all that you put all your chips in, just, you know, leveled in the second round.
Where do you go? What do you have left to explore? So I think that's why he kind of, like, saw himself out the door right there.
And, you know, also, in the absence of a head coach, it just causing the question.
Everything about that team.
So the pressure is definitely on them because James Harden is in his thirties Now.
Westbrook is in his thirties.
These guys are gonna be around forever.
That window is closing, and one of their key contributors, P.
Tucker, is on the wrong side of you know.
He's like 36 5 36.
Yeah, so for all around that roster and guys, they're aging, and then they don't have the Cup Board of Assets to come behind them and replenish on that talent.
So definitely for Houston.
I mean, it's like do or die time, but it brings in.
It brings us to kind of an inflection point.
It's like, Is this the end of the 10 year for James Harden? Is it time to deal him for assets? Is it time just going a completely different direction? Because as long as hard and is there, I think you're kind of just stuck with what you have.
And if it hasn't worked in the past two or three years, like what's to make it change now? The West is only getting tougher.
So where did the Rockets go from here? I see them.
It's probably like the team that has the most pressure on them aside from the Clippers, because with the Clippers quien PG or hitting free agency potentially like next year.
I mean, it's like, right around the corner.
So after that, I see Houston's the next team.
They've got to make it happen right now, So I don't envy the front office at all.
No, and I don't know how you add to that, you know, to make it different.
Are you going to say okay? You know, we tried the experiment for the second half of the year going, you know, Pocket Rocket small ball.
It didn't work out the way you wanted to.
So now we'll go more traditional rock.
I'm feeling that man.
I was still better trademark that before e spoke from somebody I know.
I've had e wish.
Oh, man, if I was actually e b over No, but like but like, are they saying that? Okay, we give up on that.
And if so, then you gave away a great player for a traditional lineup in Clint Capela who had his weaknesses.
But as far as being a vertical space er, ous Farrah, someone who had great pick and roll chemistry with James Harden, the only negative to that was that they went away from that pick and roll to just straight.
We're just sort of put a cappella out to pasture because, you know, they have a really reliable outside jump shot at all.
He's not a great post up finish.
Your type guy, you know, is not his game.
So if you concede that hey, we're done with that experiment or whatever you want to say and we're gonna go back to the way we normally would like to play with a more traditional lineup.
Then who do you bring? The film that the corpse of Tyson Chandler? You know what I mean? Who's gonna come up in that area and then blowing it up isn't super easy, because, yeah, the first move is hardened.
But they're gonna keep Westbrook.
He's not horrible enough that he's not about I'm a big Westbrook fan, but like he's also not something that's going to bottom out with, You know, you've seen what he's done.
Even with his lack of shooting.
We've seen it done like okay, See Team, where they will be a scrap to kind of hang around type squad, which is gonna put you in the worst type of purgatory because you're not bad enough to get any pics if you had any.
But you're also not good enough to seriously contend.
So it's like your stop, and it really makes it a shame, because this past year was probably the best opportunity.
You know what's only getting tougher? They could've matched up with Lakers.
The Clippers were already out of the way.
It was possible it could have happened And it's hard to direct myself into that now because you know how tough the Western Conference gonna be.
Now, you know, these players gonna be another year older, Hardened turned 31 in the bubble.
Westbrook turns 32 before starting next season.
Already a thing with with Westbrook in particular.
But yeah, you're right.
The path to making yourself better isn't isn't immediately present.
Can you bring my Joe Green? He's 35 2.
So that's the wonder.
Well, Austin nervous pick up his painfully little player option at two Mill.
Even in this market, I doubt it, you know, and it's like, Okay, so are you gonna re to augment your bench and contend again if you were at the same team as currently constructed? Yeah, you're in the mix.
I think you'd be between, like, five and seven.
I mean, right now, just on my head.
I mean, they're you know, they're good, but I'm I'm putting the warriors back in that mix and and probably a little better.
This guy I like, I trust that core mawr, obviously Lakers and clippers and nuggets.
So that's four right there.
And then you're looking at Rockets territory, in my opinion, So you're right, it's it's tough.
And to go back to Durham or I felt like again being a Russell Westbrook fan.
In spite of that, knowing that assumes that trade was made, I didn't think there are more.
Last another two seasons in Houston.
I just didn't because it didn't see how that worked out in a way that unless they won the championship, he'll be good.
And it did not seem at all like the Daryl Morey trade.
It seemed like the James Harden trade.
Which guy's been there for a while? It makes perfect sense, but it just didn't fit with the philosophy of the known Daryl Morey to do for the past 12 years.
13 years? Exactly.
The writing was on the wall, man.
But I'm gonna put you on the spot here real quick, and I wanted to get your thoughts on this. A.
Some of the people know that are watching on Twitter.
Your Twitter name is the Russell Westbrook apologists.
So when it comes to Westbrook as a winning piece like, do you believe? I want to see this from your perspective? Because, of course, you have a certain bias towards this guy.
Do you believe that Westbrook can be that guy next to harden or, you know, you know, first or second option? Can you get to the moun*****op with Westbrook and his maybe lack of floor spacing, like, can it be made possible through a certain roster? I don't know if it's this roster another one, but, like, can he get you to the mountain top? I want your thoughts of this man.
I hate that you get that e.
So, like two years ago, I could have put up a much stronger defense and actually believed it.
Let us see them, which, while still, you know, nuclear.
It's lost a step, but you could barely telling in that sort of way, he's able to get up and go.
But the shooting was a lot better.
He's shooting is just dropped off a cliff the last couple of years, and at least he had some semblance of shooting.
But also in my defense, I would have said, Hey, if Westbrook was on a team with a lot of shooters around him, then he can play the most effective solid basketball that he has because he hasn't playing the spread floor and, like, who knows how long in Houston, this was the most spread that he's had around him of an offense.
And, yeah, maybe they weren't great shooters, but they were definitely Mawr capable shooter Jennings ever had in O k. C.
In terms of more than one person on the court is a shooter in one time, and I just feel like that ship has sailed in terms of he had more shooting when he was in O K.
Now, if he was a little bit younger in Houston than great that they won't, they won't match.
So, like, you feel like the window was there, the possibility was there.
But as things currently stand, you cannot Valentine with him.
I'm looking at rest of my second best guy, I mean at this point.
And it's unfortunate because, you know, salary and his his stature dictated otherwise.
But like, I look like a really good third piece, you know what I mean? Like like an overcast third person, like someone who could play like a second person and had been first in times like Alfa and, you know, could be a second banana, but it's really a guy who picks his spots, changes the tempo from a very specific, um, stretch of the game or whatever the case may be on.
I don't see that now because his weaknesses they're just so not profound, but so obvious and so like debilitating to an MBA offense.
His defense can come and go as attention span.
Doesn't you know? I see ages.
You have to watch out Maureen Mawr that his drop off will be even mawr sharp because you would imagine at some point that was that.
Athleticism, athleticism, will drop, can't even speak today.
And, like, if that's the case, then you know, I wouldn't say he's like a passing Davonte, a decent pastor, a good pastor.
But he's not someone that you bring on the Flicka Rondo or somewhere superior basketball.
I Q will make up for lack of off attributes from a physical advantage, and I don't see that with Westbrook.
I see him as someone who's just a great athlete who makes good basketball plays a times in this passion and and the way that he drives teammates are the intangibles.
That ad toe Westbrook package that kind of help you overlook certain flaws.
So yeah, no, I talked myself all around to say e think that you made a great case for him, I guess maybe against him.
And that's unfortunate because, you know, you say you talked about him as a third guy.
That's like It's a lot to think about that, because at the core, like he's still at all N b.
A second or third team got.
When it comes into the numbers that he puts up when it comes to just his an amount of talent and like the different areas he contribute on the floor and it's incredible what he could do in his position rebounding, Um, you know, just as a passing guy attacking the rim, putting pressure on the defense like he's been doing that at a high level for a long time.
And it's a shame that it's come to this point now where you look at his contract and you say, like he might be one of the worst contracts in the league.
I mean, if we just added up, we're looking at next season like not even this past season.
But for 2021 owed 40 41 mill the season after 44.
And when it comes to his last year, which is 22 23 being at 47 million at age 32.
Uh, probably 33 by the time that season's over.
So it's just a tough pill to swallow, and that's what happens when you're shooting for the moun*****op.
You kind of start to paint yourself into a corner because you have these max players.
You have two guys taking up combined 62% of the salary cap, and then from there, it's just kind of like, Wow, we're kind of screwed because even the supporting cast I mean you're looking at is like P.
J. Tucker Eric Gordon.
Eric Gordon's contract value is dipped.
You just really do anything like, Yeah, that's what you had.
I mean, you dealt for Covington to make him try to make a run, so it's just unfortunate a lot of the timing of trying to go small ball on everything.
I think if maybe it had come a couple of years earlier, it could have worked.
But now, in this landscape, you look at the West guys like Yogi throughout their Anthony Davis is out there and in all the way down the board.
I mean, that may be like the Warriors.
I mean, there's like a legitimate big man that can cause matchup problems across the board.
I mean, I think maybe like you look at the Clippers with the Boche, even to an extent, maybe it's just tough to match up.
So it's unfortunate, and I see what they were trying to do.
But with the landscape of the Western Conference, the guys you're gonna go up against that nothing is gonna change like your small ball is gonna run into.
Its gonna be pushed to its limit.
And it won't get you over the hump just because of, like, the matchups that exist for the other teams in the conference.
It's just man, it's unfortunate.
And you're right.
They tried to do something different, you know, ingenuity, mother invention.
We get all of that.
You know, they were trying toe zig where the league was zagging.
Uh, in another universe, it possibly could have worked with better personnel.
That position it could have worked.
But again, you're you're having, uh, moray, you know, have to conjure up these different, uh, experiments to fit the Ross shorthand, which was just tragically flawed.
You were over extended guys like Peter Tucker putting guys like Westbrook and Harden different situations that we saw when they played bigger teams that just settle.
We're just gonna bang into You were just gonna make this happen.
The bucks did it once the Clippers had again.
The Lakers did it when they went small ball and did it better.
And it just says, Okay at your best.
Still not the best eso exactly, man that So the Rockets had the situation going in the in the West.
I mean, they're going small ball.
Now let's look at the inverse of that.
We know that the Philadelphia 70 Sixers have gone completely torches putting the most size on the floor possible and bead like all the way down the rocks.
When you're looking at guys that air 6966 and above started with Jay Red's going to Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons.
They really just kind of went the opposite direction.
They were looking at putting the most amount of size and length on the court at any given time and Sometimes it worked, but they were really trying to dedicate themselves towards an above average defense.
And in practice and on paper.
That seems like a great idea.
But you run into spacing problems, so it's kind of like the opposite of the problems that the Rockets had.
I mean, like, the Sixers have the ability to kind of bang and hang tough with the biggest teams, but they can't stretch the floor to a point where it optimizes that roster specifically when it comes to Ben Simmons.
And I've been saying this for a while.
If Ben Simmons had a roster constructed similar to Milwaukee or Houston, man like the things that would be possible of basketball court would be incredible.
So I'm just looking at trying to figure out where they can go from here and again.
It za tough situation for them as well, because like, yeah, sure, like they don't have guys in there.
Um, you know, the two main pieces of the team are not in their thirties, so it's not like the window is closing.
But at the same time, the pressure continues to build because if you look at all the money, that's invested into this team.
Amount of talent they have.
They have, ah, roster cap charge right now going to next season of 148 million.
And put that in perspective.
If we maintains a salary cap of 123 luxury tax in that range, they're far and above over that.
So they're dealing with definite, definite tax implications.
And it's just tough to move those contracts because besides, Ben Simmons and Embiid, I mean, even in beat, underperformed the times this past season.
So other than those two guys, everybody else like the value has dropped.
So if you wanna unload these contracts, you're going to be forced to give them more assets.
And I think Philadelphia does have a few assets.
They do have some draft picks.
They're not completely dry like Houston.
But at the same time, it's a hard sell, and you don't want to give up all these pics just unloaded contract like Al Horford.
So you look around the league and it's like who would take on a contract like that? There's not many teams out there, especially in a climate where the, you know the resource is air constricted.
The cap is lower or not lower necessarily.
But it's not going up.
No, there's there's not a lot of options.
So Doc is out there now.
You know he's got that roster trying to contend with.
And Elton Brand has another challenge on his hands, and I can commend him for going hard and trying, you know, just to plug in the best possible roster.
He's done a good job, but that but the fit hasn't been there, so we're gonna goes from where he goes from here.
And I don't see where you're right, because you're not gonna get a lineup around Ben Simmons, like you said, Optimal with good spacing, where you can just kind of wreak havoc in this like super sized point forward roll.
Whatever the case may be, that's not going to happen.
Um, and you have your best players all fitting that two positions four of your best players, you know, indeed to buy to be, indeed, Al Horford, Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris boom, all they're which that roster imbalance is clear to see, especially when you know Tobias Harris, who did have success with Doc Rivers running a lot of pick and roll in Los Angeles.
So maybe that's something that could could reactivate.
But he's a player that we saw him in.
Horford not step up in the first round.
That's a big reason why they lost even bigger reason.
Why didn't even win a single game on Ben Simmons? Reluctant to shoot as well as dwelling beads, kind of uneven conditioning at times, all lead to ah mess, but also sub optimal shooting.
Um, sub optimal guard play the best time they had It was, um what when they had a JJ Red**** and Marco Belinelli.
Uh, and they let those guys go.
And since then, you know, they underwhelmed that That's true.
Even before the Ben Simmons injury, they just weren't a good match.
And when you take that money that you could have given Jimmy Butler and give to a guy like Al Horford, even though you're you have Ben Simmons and Embiid and Al Horford, you're locking down for a longer term deal is 30 33 34 35.
It's not smart, and that's what the seventies did.
It was just a reactionary without actually having thought through the process.
I feel the process.
That's a good way to put it in.
And look, the common theme with these teams I'm seeing is, or at least the last two teams you cover.
It is very bad contracts like very negative value contracts and not go to Horford situation.
He's owed 27 27 26 the next three years, which puts him into his mid thirties, 38 or 34 to like 36 37.
So I mean, that's not going to get better as time goes on and she's gonna get worse.
So if they do want to make a deal, it needs to be now because maybe there's a few teams out there that see him and it's like, Okay, we can plug him in.
Uh, you know, maybe he could still be a contributor for us.
If he's the center, you know, we're not trying to plug him in next to a traditional center and trying to make that spacing work.
Maybe there's a few teams I can't think of any at the top of my head, but I mean, that's that's probably the first one that really I was thinking of, and it's possible but me for them.
They even have, you know, like they had a logjam before at the forward spots and trying to make that work.
So I'm not sure if that's the best place for him to go.
But I think really the best course of action is to try to find a suitor for him as well as Josh Richardson on then maybe trying to find a way toe.
You know, that least they have shaken Milton to me like Thank God they have somebody that's a decent guard for them that could make some plays and had a good experience this past season somebody that actually didn't have a down here for them That could make a difference.
But just try to open up that floor a little bit, like if they could get an engaged in bead, some spacing for Ben Simmons, Doc Rivers to come in there and just like continually, just get the most out of Tobias Harris like we saw in his best season in L.
A. Not too long ago.
Yeah, he's still in his twenties, and he still has the potential toe, you know, just generate significant offense for that team.
There's definitely some moves to be made.
I wouldn't say they're under as much.
Stress is Houston because their pieces are younger, But, uh, there's still a lot that it's expected of that team.
You look at the fan base like that fan base is historically historically been very tough on that team, Uh, in the in the days where they were taking all the way up till now, like they expect a lot like their Pride fan base.
So the payments are pushing you to make these moves.
And Elton Brand notices he's on the block like, you know, he's not gonna have the longest leash and just have infinite possibilities.
So the time is now.
Just make this small make.
I wouldn't say small changes like that's to those air two starters, but these are there.
Yeah, and you said it like folk.
I think the pressure is rising because you need to know what this team is.
I think it's been four years now, three years and you still don't know what is.
The team can been Centers and Joel Embiid work.
We're still trying to figure that out.
I think everyone's leaning toward no but we've been doing this for a couple of years now.
Do they need great shooting? Do they need another lead ball handler, Guard type guy? Do they need additional being additional veteran help? Big death.
You know, we they played around with different iterations of the same roster built around Benson and drilling me at one point.
Do they go? Okay. One.
We need to figure out who this and or we just haven't figured out.
I don't know what other roster construction could be done to say, Okay, this works for both of them, but they need to figure out whether they can find a construction like that where the ones that need to be shipped and soon And that's what the pressure is rising because all they've consistently shown is that they haven't done what it takes to build that around these two guys.
What? What? What is the process for? If once you found the piece you're looking for, you don't know what to do with this.
Okay, now we got it out.
What? And that's the Philadelphia feels like.
Yeah, Philadelphia's just like feeling the heat.
And I can see how you would say like, Well, one of these two guys have to go, but I'm still like I think I'm hanging on a little bit of hope that these guys could make it work together.
I think if they have those other three pieces on the court that fit a little bit better, like Ben Simmons is a matchup problem for anyone like it doesn't matter if their guard, if there a big man, he continuously puts pressure on the defense. I know his shooting.
But if you could provide shooting for the other positions to compensate, I think that could get you a long way because he is still an incredible talent, like the passing the inside, scoring the defense like he's a borderline d p o y defensive player of the year.
There's a lot to be said for that, and the median is definitely a solid rim protector himself.
So there's options to be explored like I don't want to see him blowing up yet another season before we get to that point and I'm down with that.
I totally get it.
I guess my thing is that as far as the shooting in regards to Are you going to get one more elite shooter gonna have several different capable shooters? Because we mentioned the JJ Red**** Orson Ilyasova Marco Belinelli deal.
And then even last year, when you bring it, when you have shake Milton and Josh Richardson along with Alec Berks like there are different set of shooters entirely, but you have some that are more stand still, kind of shooters are moving off screen shooters who can't really handle the ball too much.
You gonna get the ultimate Timmons.
Then you have others like Josh Richardson and, um, shake.
Milton, who can handle the ball a little bit, can shoot a little bit, are better defenders, and you have Alec Berks as well.
And neither of those situations worked around this group of people.
You know, you probably more successful Jimmy Butler type and then let that go.
And all due respect, Jimbo is aren't growing on trees.
So, like in terms off wanting it to work, I'm with you.
I'd rather not blow up just for the sake of blowing it up.
But if you're looking form or shooting after this like I I don't know if this for agencies were going to get a whole bunch of just shooters.
And if so, you put a lot of pressure on the defensive end, where you're lying on Harris Simmons and beat and you know what? What left of our Horford you can muster? I just feel like it's not there anymore.
Now they confined away, then great.
But I think they've shown a minute either.
They don't know how toe optimized shooters around him.
Maybe that's how Bright Brown, which I don't know if I consider Doc Rivers a greater, uh, tactician.
We've seen how long he played Mantra Tower when it was clear to everyone that wasn't so.
I don't know if you're getting a coaching advantage there in that way, but you're also not going to get a shooting upgrade over what you had to see this ago.
And I feel like this year they tried to kind of balance the two, and we saw how that worked.
So yeah, I don't know. I see what you mean.
Like I see what you mean.
Like it definitely worked best for them when they had those standstill shooters.
Guys that are better spot up shooters like I remember buying me going against them in the first round on day were just unstoppable.
Like I just remember, like, you know, Winslow is matched up on Ben Simmons says, Okay, we could work with that.
And, uh, number 21.
Um, you know the guy.
I don't mention this name.
He's just kind of like often Portland now, and he's doing his own thing way.
Can't do it, man.
Like you just kind of like, out of sight, out of mind a little bit way had him to match up with and be there. And that's cool.
But the shooters, man, like, you know, Ben Simmons gets going and be gets going.
And then there was Belinelli and JJ Red****.
It was just like and Elia sofas like, What do you do? So I definitely think that's where that Ross was at its best and with what they have to work with.
I don't think they're gonna be able to get the guys.
They're looking at me like I definitely see what you're saying.
It's not like you could just find them anywhere.
Even if you do have guys to trade, I mean, are they gonna want give you guys like that, Like I I don't know.
So it's definitely a tough pill to swallow for Philadelphia, and there at least they have some time to make it work.
And if not, at least if you trade Simmons and beat, you still have one of those guys in the mix.
So they're not in the position of Houston, where it's just like, Okay, you're just kind of just done.
You have to just start from scratch.
But a significant re hall of record retool could be on the way for Philadelphia in the near future.
Yeah, and those guys out there where they can afford them, you know, like a guy like Justin Holiday or a guy like a Joe Harris so thin that to determine to bring back.
But guys that are more shooter types again, it's like you said it.
Ken Philadelphia acquired those guys in free agency.
If not, can they get them in trade? If so, we're gonna give up to get that.
Um, they're not going to say here Philadelphia will offer this team are you know, our scrubs air are stiffs and you'll give us some dynamic shooters, and that'll be a trade that works for both of us.
You know what I mean? You're right.
So it's like, Where do you get that? And Josh Richardson kind of is What is his shooter? He's decent.
He's not too good.
Great, you know, But you don't have someone that rocks that look at and go, you know, for Concord, Mark, Maybe I'm like, Okay, I think I You know, and he's not.
But JJ Red****, he is in either, unfortunately, so it z kind of weird.
It is weird, man.
So I mean, it always seems we discussed so far.
I mean, they're under pressure because that window is closing and we saw how they did in the bubble.
That kind of, you know, just kind of pushed that point home.
It's like, you know, you're trying to make a move and the bubble kind exposed to a little bit.
But how about a team that wasn't present in the bubble but still is dealing with the core that is aging and, you know, their window is closing a little bit.
That would be the Golden State Warriors, and at first glance, you might kind of look at that team and say like, Well, how much personally, Really Under like they have.
What is it? Three championships in the last five years? You know, some of the best players in the game.
Steph Curry still out there? Probably like top five or six.
Player, um, consensus.
If we just asked around right now in the n b n b a community.
But, I mean, look at the ages here.
Curry at 32 Clay at 30.
So, I mean, it's not like these guys are 35 you know, this is the last chance, But at the same time, you know, if you're you're you're leading player, you know, Curry is 32 but it be 33 I'm sure for next season.
Uh, you know, the time is now to start getting back on that road, or it just point blank period getting back on that road to contention.
And it's not gonna be easy for them in the West either.
So basically, there's high expectations in in that place, and you know, for that fan base, and I look at what they have to work with, and I mean, the roster is not the most convincing to me.
Uh, having Curry definitely gives you a chance.
But from there it's like Draymond didn't have the best performance this past season, although I think a little bit of that was because they weren't in contention.
I think he kind of just like ****, walk like he was sleepwalking through the season, to put it plainly, Go look, if you guys like Wiggins and Clay, I mean, Wiggins is up and down player.
He's kind of so so and then plays coming off of that major injury.
So across the board, they have some talent.
They have elite shooting, you know, they still have that culture in the place.
All that's proven and true.
But with the West, the way it is, I don't think it will be able to snap your fingers and automatically be one of the two or three best teams in the conference.
So I don't wanna hand it to them before they go out there, make some moves.
So the draft is their first chance to kind of retail that roster a little bit.
I feel like that they should shop around and see what they can get for Wiggins because with God like Wiggins.
I don't think you're You're looking at Wiggins and saying like, Okay, we're going to the top. We're winning a championship.
Maybe you could work, but I've just been down wigs for so long, man.
Like the way I'm not a fan, especially for Golden State's perspective.
So how you feeling about him in his future with this team? I mean, it's unfortunate.
I just just got the Wiggins train.
Um, I was on the entire time e.
I mean, I was like, he's only I said I would keep saying he's only blank until he turned 25 at that point and stop saying it.
And I was like, Oh, so like, you know, I still play with him in old retro two K's.
You know, I still believe in the idea of Andrew Wiggins.
I still believe, you know, if you had more aggression if he was in a better environment early, I don't know what type of situation would have bread, the perfect version of Andrew Wiggins that we did not receive.
But in terms of this, I think he's a decent swing man who still has youth on the side.
They can kind of tempt somebody into, you know, trading for him.
I think the closest scenario I can give to him is another guy.
He's just a younger version of another draft pick.
The timber was made.
I want to say, back in 2011.
Um, yeah, Wesley Johnson.
That's kind of what reminds E.
You know, athletically, Is there a little shooting? Is there? But something isn't there? Only difference.
Wesley Johnson came to MBA already older.
Um, you know, I think came in at 23 already.
And so that was something that kind of went by fast.
And then he was a swinging.
But like, I look at Wiggins and I go, Okay, Seymour.
Ah, higher scoring version of Wesley Johnson in terms of yeah, in terms of like you see in this is you're not getting everything you think you would at first glance.
But you can dupe yourself into thinking that he did in Minnesota.
I mean, that's how most Johnson and his first I want to say three stops happened in Minnesota.
Obviously it happened in Phoenix, got traded there, and then it happened with the Lakers at first, and it was okay.
He is what he is.
And I feel like we're doing our Wiggins, Minnesota Fine.
Say, finally, Is there another team that can get the android experience and go? Okay.
You know, we could get this guy.
He fits with our core.
He's only 25 then you still it exactly.
And then that's where you're at.
And so that's why that's how I feel that he is right now.
And, you know, maybe there is a team that could do it.
Maybe Golden State can swap, um picks, um, and take on Andrew Wiggins and give, like, taking on Andrew Wiggins and the second pick for, like, Blake Griffin in the 10th or something, You know, then you could talk yourself into saying, Okay, Blake Griffin and healthy gives you that super upgrade as far as a second.
Another star player, Um, someone who can play alongside Draymond Green and you know, Steph and Clay and some of those another playmaker, which is putting all the pressure on, uh, Draymond to create.
You know, when Steph Curry isn't and and that might work and then for the pistons, they could go.
Okay, you know what we can run our youth culture bag because we got Christian. Five.
We got Andrew Wiggins, 25.
We got second, um, boy at 21.
Like we could start right now building that core until they was.
Of course, the Andrew Wiggins is still Andrew Wiggins E.
I'm thinking in terms of something that could be done and you could do that.
You could stop a drawing of a bunch of other players and, you know, try to do something of that sort.
And I think there are teams out there that could still delude themselves into believing that Andrew Wiggins still capable young player that has.
He's capable already, but cable play that has room to grow.
And here's the theme again, man.
When we talked about with the last two teams, negative value contracts begins.
Uh, max contract.
He got a max contract.
I cannot get over how bad he finished that Timber was front office by saying, I'm gonna work hard.
I'm gonna be better.
Like seriously, like, you wanna goto a guy and say, like, we're gonna give you a max contract.
All we need you to do.
It's just try really hard and improve your game season after season.
Can you do that for us? Like, Absolutely.
Like I'll do whatever you ask you.
Yes, over the buddy Ben.
Like roll the Brink's truck.
That's gonna work.
So for Wiggins, it was all about idea.
It was all about just like the you know, the general idea of him being a talented, impactful player just never came to fruition.
You think of like you go on a date with somebody, and it's like on parents.
They look great.
All the things on the surface look great.
I like I'm so excited for this because yeah, like a little bit like something is off.
It is like, maybe I can't quite put my finger on it, but something is just not right with this, and I can't get with it.
So, you know, hopefully they're not spending $29 million on that date.
And you're You know, you're really just kind of kicking yourself.
But, you know, for the Golden State Warriors, you kind of gives them a little bit of extra bind, you know, extra, you know, level of complexity to this whole thing.
And that idea of Blake Griffin would be interesting off course.
That front court be a little bit undersize that I don't know how it hold up against the Lakers and and the Nuggets and things like that.
But that play making, I think like Blake at his best.
Like if we got that, like 18 19 Blake Griffin on that team Oh, man, like that offense would be insane because, like Blake was a monster e just posted the other day because averages that season, it was like 24 95 assist.
Uh, what was that true? Seems like 58% shooting.
Yeah, elite, like all n b A third team, like they do it was on fire.
So if they got some version of that, that would be really cool.
But I think when it comes down to for going status, simply like, find that anchor at center and it doesn't have to be a star.
We saw what they did with Andrew Bogut.
We saw what they've been able to do with, like, loony and guys of that caliber, like you don't need somebody to come in and be like be you don't need a towns you don't need someone like that.
Just do this for me.
Go get boards, go get lobs being the pain.
That's all I need.
Hurry and play out there. They'll handle the rest.
Just get down and dirty and just give those guys and outlet, um, at the rim if they're double teamed or, you know, guys air hedging hard out there in the three point line, that's all I need that Z all that could be.
That's probably all they need.
So trade that pick like I would definitely look to trade that pick.
Uh, maybe they go different route, but find find a middle of the road center like a slightly above average center, and you could be in business.
It could be that simple.
And it's gonna be enough centers out there in the market that I think that the war is could definitely go after that.
We're probably gonna pick to join us.
Well, um, even if that would seem like a Aaron Baynes or or some of that, I mean, there's a bunch.
Yeah, Tristan Thompson will be out there.
Other guys will be out there that are available, like Aaron Baynes because there's shooting ability as well.
But, you know, they have a few big, but then, like Okay, here's what I put you on the spot.
I've seen a lot of this trade, like floating around Kelly, you break, you say, What do you think about that? Because they could do that for the pick straight up.
Um, if I remember, yeah.
And and and take him into space.
Like, what do you think about I? I like that. I like that.
Like, I think Phoenix is young enough to that, to the point that where they could still use Ah, high level pick.
Because even Devin Booker, like the oldest guy in that core, is, you know, not even at his peak yet, like, yeah.
I mean, he's not even at that point where he's gonna be, uh, you know, hitting its apex.
He still has some growing to do, and then everybody else is like, early twenties.
So I actually I love that trade for for both teams.
I think you know he's still a great guy in phoenix, but it could be phased out because you do have bridges.
And you do have Cam Johnson.
They found a formula with those two guys in the bubble to the point where maybe you brazen quite eat it anymore.
But on the state you bring in you bray I mean, it's that guy that I would take him over.
Wiggins, honestly, like uber is baller man younger.
He's shown more flashes of someone who is, like, you know, not only ineffective defender, but someone could felt the basket.
Someone who can fill his lane, play the three of the four.
You said it like you break is good and you're right like that's an upgrade.
I think once they could either do that, either try to get off of Wiggins and taking a break or even play the two together.
Go super small times.
You could do something like curry.
Clay Wiggins dubray uh, can't remember seeing a dream on.
I don't know, I went to Jordan, but you do lines like that where those guys consume between three and four.
You have length, you have athleticism.
You got guys who were killed on the defensive end.
You got dream on anchoring the whole thing, and on the offensive end, all of them could hit a three all of them cut.
All of them could even do a little something off the dribble.
With the exception of dream on, even he's, you know, kind of crafty with the ball.
Clay cancer with my fault forgot.
Clay can trouble.
Okay, but the boy exactly.
That's something that, you know, he could definitely pump fake and get you into ah himself in a wide open shot.
A symbol? Is that so? There's a possibility there if they were to do that.
I think if you took an uber, they might want to, like, move on from Wiggins.
But I think it's more contract than anything else for sure, man.
Uh, uber has got the tools.
I like how you pointed out the off ball aspect of it to cut it.
Because you know how much Golden State loves how you know, loves the cutting, loves the off ball movement.
Um, you know, people were comparing the Miami Heat team.
You saw what the money he did in the bubble with handoffs with the cuts.
You know, the high post split all those, like, commonplace that they've been running the past few years.
How much? How much that benefit of those players.
E think that the same thing can happen with uber.
Uber is a great cutter, you know.
He'll put the guys and body bags at the rim, you know, he's like, strong and see Paul George.
He's had quite a few victims in the past season, so I mean, uber is like that tough, gritty.
He's everything Wicked is not like to put it plainly.
And he's everything.
Wiggins is not competitive.
Tough, gritty, uh, very prideful.
When it comes to his game, he does not like to be out done like Paul.
George makes the play on him.
He's like, Okay, I'll do you want? Yeah, exactly Exactly where After the fire is there, you could see it is there.
I love I love uber man.
So that's actually I'm glad you brought that up. I like that.
I like that trade for both teams, so I have to see how that goes.
They might request someone else.
Like I don't know.
If I get the number two pick, you get uber and that's it.
Like maybe you require another flyer supply down on top of that.
But yeah, the warriors should definitely explore that that alongside with the alongside a solid center, um, to kind of man to paint a simple it doesn't have to be complicated.
And sometimes it's just like a simple chain.
We both win in the story, but But Corbyn, that makes us in the end of our discussion here today, man.
But I want to thank you again for for jumping on with me here, man, I'm glad to be able to chop it up with you again after SBC and kinda just get into the nitty gritty of this of these teams, man, like they have a lot of decisions to make and the pressure is on, and I can't wait to see who emerges from this victorious like, personal. It's diamonds, man.
But that's the quote of the day free.
So what will come through this alive is gonna be much better off for it.
So I cannot wait to see this offseason brings.
But before you go a man, I wanted to give you an opportunity to plug whatever work to get going on.
Maybe just reiterate what you got, what you're working on and who you're partnering with in this time of on the off season.
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