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00:00:00
we start to diving on more, then Victor Oladipo speculation around the NBA off season.
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There's a lot of fun stuff to dive into.
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We're talking about this.
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This this article we're reacting to is like worth a subscription in itself.
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Um, so we're talking about an article today, and I think we're probably gonna maybe spend the entire time talking about it.
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Uh oh, you never know, but it's It's basically it's It's surveying 20 agents across the league about a variety of topics.
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You'll see the headline right here.
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Um, it's fantastic.
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Like it's a great read.
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I fell asleep with it on my lap.
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I'm gonna finish it once you get off.
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I have, like, a couple more paragraphs to go.
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It's awesome, and there's a lot to take away.
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It's given us a lot of things thio, new stories and new things to react to.
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So So I just told your thunder on the intro, but I had to give the athletic shadow things.
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And this is awesome, you know, credit credit where it's due because sometimes it does take, you know, a now outside source from your own mind of just speculating around things.
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And then it just starts really clicking and firing your head.
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All the things that could go on Lett's the big headline here that I think we'll probably dance off of the initial topic pretty quickly and then start to spread the league is the Clippers.
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We know it's been, uh, interesting out there.
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And things didn't go the way they anticipated this past season.
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They move on from Doc Rivers.
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They start to make some changes within the organization as well.
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And now they're talking about the possibility of blowing up this roster almost down to the studs.
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I think we all assumed it's going to be that no matter what, even just from contracts alone and what you spent to bring in a guy like Paul George, you're gonna at least be building around those core too.
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Any legs to the idea that the Clippers would look to, as this suggests, possibly move on from Kawhi Leonard.
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One year and one year in to the the reestablishing of the L.
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A Clippers, they go.
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You know what, though? We don't need one of the top five best players in the league.
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Let's get him out here.
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Uh, no, I don't.
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I mean, they just hired Tile Ooh, for five years, which tells me they're trying to win for the next couple.
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And almost I almost wonder if they're gonna offer Paul George and extension this summer because he is eligible.
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So if they offer him an extension he accepts.
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That definitely tells me that they're building around that core. Andi.
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I think it would be silly not to do that because Paul George is really good.
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I get that were I get that he didn't have necessarily the greatest playoffs, but he has a really good player.
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I think you put a roster around him.
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That makes a little more sense.
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Bring in like an actual point guard and not like a two guard posing as a point guard and Lou Williams and then a catch and shoot guy in in Pat Beverley.
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Um, so you bring in a point guard that's going to get Paul George the ball a little bit, Maybe actually use him off ball because I just don't feel like they ever did that.
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And he's awesome off ball like he's, you know, he's very much willing toe curl around screens and do stuff like that.
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Like, I just I don't know.
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I'd never liked the way they used him.
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Um, so I would say they're probably gonna keep those two intact.
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I think the biggest thing is just gonna be getting rid of Liu and hopefully not bringing back Montrezl Harrell because I think that would be silly.
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You keep zoo botch, you bring back to Michael Green.
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That's your center rotation roll with that still kind of play small.
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I mean, if you wanted to, you could try to bring in, like, a and Aaron pains or whatever the centers that are always brought up.
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Serge Ibaka believe their taxpaying teams.
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So they're gonna be at that 5 to 6 million, I believe.
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But yeah.
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I mean, I think the moves they're gonna make are gonna be really subtle.
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They're my They're my Chris Pollitt.
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Even though they're myself, Chris polity, they feel like they don't have any picks to trade.
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So that's that's tough.
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But But that would be my my stealth Chris Paul team.
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Yeah, whatever.
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Whatever you're planning on doing there and you say, you know, co I p G.
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That seems like the natural understanding but blowing up Listen, like you could still kind of be blowing up a team that's around specific players that exist on that roster and your quote superstars, but saying like, yeah, everything else that we thought we were putting around them to have success, we could almost will stop a lot of that away here.
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If it means that we start to reconstruct the team in that way, and that's why expectations are, maybe it is a Chris Paul.
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Maybe it's a veins, whatever it ends up being in those other pieces.
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But I think there are a lot of support roles there that they thought were going to be better complimentary pieces.
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And they really turned out to be this past year.
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So listen, I call it is not going anywhere.
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In my mind, Paul George isn't going anywhere in my mind so we could weaken.
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Move off of that and still gonna be interesting to see how the Clippers reconstruct themselves a little bit.
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Beyond that, though, there's a lot of other teams out there.
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They were talking that we're talking about in terms of moves to get made.
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How are they gonna either? Are they adding to reloading as the sports term usually goes? Or are they kind of stripping down and rebuilding a little bit? One of the teams I know you want to get into the Cem Spurs guys currently over there, that maybe move and a nice tie in here would be to say out there in Toronto, where they're wondering about Gasol is not gonna be back there on that team.
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How did they replace that side? So for the names And this is just a nice little crossover between former Toronto Raptors and the margin rose and as we know, but a couple of the hypothetical names that they threw out there for replacing Gasol and I want to see how these landed with you one is just a classic.
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I don't even know what this guy has left.
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He seems to be having injuries.
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DeMarcus Cousins I'll put out.
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Of course, Baines made the list.
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Aaron Veins, of course, had to make this list Paul Millsap and then even Mason Plumlee.
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So those last two names are guys that we think, at least from the last conversation we had, right, you know, running back kind of scenario for that team.
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Currently, you almost assumed that they may be back there because they kind of like what they did this past season.
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And they want to maybe take one more pass it that out of those four names, do any of them jump out of you is being nice.
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Fits.
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I kind of have the one that I lean to their its's weird.
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Um, I kind of like Mason Plumlee for them.
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Oh, dude, I was like, Great, He's a great passer and, you know, he obviously doesn't.
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You can't do the five out offense that they were doing with him and the free throws Aaron issue.
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So all of that is not great, I would say, but I don't know, like I don't think they're going to get Aaron Baynes.
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I think Aaron Baynes is gonna go somewhere, you know, he's gonna be on a championship roster.
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I just There's too many teams that have the ability to sign him and are going to be chasing him.
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I mean, he might go to the Lakers.
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For all we know, I was gonna say like, course, you know, they want him.
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So the Lakers want anybody.
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They go to the Lakers And who was the first one? The first one was DeMarcus Cousins.
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DeMarcus type in.
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Such also might stay with the Lakers.
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I I actually and I almost feel mawr confident about that than anybody else going to the Lakers right now.
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I think that I really feel like he's going to stay for the minimum play with a D because they're close and and and just try to, like, ride the LeBron train and hopefully bring back a little bit of his value.
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So that's another one that I'm kind of like You bring in a starting center for the Lakers.
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Then you have boogie off the bench, which just seems like unfair.
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I don't know.
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So, yeah.
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Plumley is that I You know, you run like handoff action with him.
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You use them in the short role, he's gonna be finding o g N o b in the corner.
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It's like I like that a lot, actually.
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That's why I always think like, listen, role player can look like for you and how it can complement with your current has Yeah, the name that jumped out like the risk reward of even, say, a boogie causes He's available.
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Well, if you bring him in and then he gets in at some point along the way, or like he needs some touches, right, he needs his looks as opposed to saying like I like Plumley is just dude like, here's what I want you to do when he goes Great.
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You know there's no there's no comment like there.
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There's no there's no issue about shares and shots and all those kind of things.
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So high energy guy.
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I think that that fits into the mold of what Toronto needs in terms collection of their parts.
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That's interesting.
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The the footnote I'll say about the Lakers and boogie Cousins.
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We talked about it, I think, last week when we were on together his back.
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He has an extra year on his deal there, but Dwight Howard doesn't I think, is what is the conclusion we came to.
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So the idea of Yeah, he is a player option, right? Right.
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Maybe he buys into it potentially e think he turns it down.
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I think he tries to test free agency that he has a little bit of like That's every indication.
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Yeah, I think so.
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It's funny, like I've heard that the center market is great from some people.
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I don't really think that's true at all like there's a couple of good free agents, but it's like you have the Aaron Baynes and like the whatever the eye Baca's and then after that, it's kind of like I mean Tristan Thompson which, like that's that's another good player.
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And then it's like a huge drop off.
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You go to like Plumlee and Meyers Leonard and I'm like God is Dwight Howard.
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The fourth best in his class is the kind of thing he is.
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And that's such a team specific, right? Like when you mentioned a guy like even Tristan Thompson, you say, Well, depending on where he goes, yes, he could have tremendous value, but I'd be highly speculative.
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If it's not a championship caliber team, then you're saying, Well, yeah, I I know what Tristan Thompson gives you from stat line perspective.
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He's not moving the needle for your team, So but free agent, it's JaVale who's got the player option.
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I'm never gonna get the three s, so that's it.
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But that's how that's so to me.
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I think the Lakers would be inclined to when you have boogie cousins inclined to say, thanks so much.
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Dwight, enjoy your ring.
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Enjoy the market.
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See what? Who? Someone to pay you.
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I think McGee not really picking up exactly, so he's inclined to come back.
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So even though like the one for one there of taking away Dwight Howard and putting in boogie cousins, two very different type of centers.
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But the impact that could have for the Lakers offensively alone is a very dangerous thing of like Oh, you know, Boogie Cousins has a perimeter shot.
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So now all of a sudden, the way that they utilized by it position when they didn't have a D in that role, or and even saying We use a D in the five roll sometimes and then we bring in Boogie Cousins and he continues to be able to serve that role there from that position that changes the dynamic of that team offensively and opens it up in a very dangerous way.
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If Cousins looks anything like he did one healthy and you know what's nice about that is like for him, they could just park him in that drop coverage, and they could just have him hang out right near the basket.
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They're so good on the perimeter that he just has to stand there and protect the basket like he's not like an awesome rim protector.
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But you put him in that role in like he's just he's tall, he's big and he's going to take up a lot of space in there.
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So that's like, kind of like if there's ever going to be a team where it's like, Wow, boogies really surviving defensively, it's going to be next to Anthony Davis, who's like, I don't eat like a fighter jet, like, just like circling around and just providing secondary help.
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So I I Yeah, I mean, like, That's like again like the perfect spot for him, where they I mean, And if it doesn't work, they just take him off.
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And if he's getting targeted and then you play Anthony Davis at center like that's the beauty of the Lakers there you just like no matter what you dio like.
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The Rockets did exactly what they needed to dio.
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They made them take their centers off the floor and the Lakers adjusted to them.
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And then the Lakers were even better.
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And and just look, ruin that franchise.
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Nothing worse than being like.
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Here's our adjustment.
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Let's see if you can handle it.
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And the counter is crap.
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They did something even better than yeah, like, Oh God! What? We're losing the Markieff Morris, like Oh, this is This is tough s O.
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By the way, Thio because I want to get into that that Toronto tie and where we started, I will say to It's like depending on what that price tag looks like.
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Like a Mason Plumlee on the Lakers in a support role is like a really nice low key.
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Get for them in the market where you added into that potentially as well.
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Not that that's where I think they're going to go.
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But players like that on championship caliber teams really help move the needle.
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So over there in Toronto, where Van Fleet is set to hit the free agent market Ah, former Toronto Raptors, who spent some time in San Antonio and DEMAR DeRozan you were reading up about these guys and some of the potential making you go, let me read this full quote because it's really interesting.
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I gotta find it.
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It's it's basically talking about So one of the things that I think was really interesting about this article was, and I It's funny, like this article kind of like like not to get too much outside of basketball, but it's like, Oh, yeah, we have, like, a pandemic going on, and agents and players don't really know financially what the next couple of years looked like.
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So this was the stuff and, like, we're not necessarily going to discuss this as much, But it's like they it's contracts may be different.
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They're kind of waiting.
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Everybody's waiting around for, like the cap to be announced and all these different factors.
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One of things, I think was really interesting.
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And this was kind of for me, Maybe other than the Yanis news and this Clippers news was this thing about Toronto? So it said this and this was about teams.
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E think the question was about players that were most likely to move or leave their current teams, um, quotas de margin like San Antonio and doesn't want to be there.
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If those guys leave, they land with Dwayne Casey in Detroit.
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That relationship with the former coaches strong comes down to money for VanVleet, and the situation in Toronto is rough with the taxes Van Fleet is Van Fleet on the Pistons elevates his status as the number 1 to 2 guy on the team, so a lot to unpack their first stop, DEMAR DeRozan is being unhappy is like, kind of interesting in a lot of ways, Um, the thing that I took away And it's not even Toronto situation where it's I'm assuming their their books are hurting like pretty much everybody.
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Except for I guess, like the Nets who go size network is like, gone up.
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Uh, your books are hurting job.
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No, they're not.
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Yeah, like So you're fine.
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So? So Toronto is this team that is prepared essentially toe have all this cap space, and they now have a situation where I don't know if they're going through some financial turmoil.
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They were the only team that was brought up in this regard.
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I was expecting to see Houston's name like, you know, 20 times in this article because Tilman Fertitta is businesses air, all hurting.
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But it was Toronto.
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They got brought up, which I think pistons getting some interesting players is like, I don't know, it's kind of it's kind of curious.
00:15:55
So first real quick on the Toronto side of it.
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Do you think that that that year gap here, when they're planning for a year later in free agency? Because right now, at least loosely, they've been talking about the cap number coming down by potential 20 million versus where they thought it was gonna be.
00:16:09
Do you think that that year gap, it potentially van Fleet goes and you don't know how you're replacing Gasol on? Maybe Ibaka doesn't come back.
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Could that year gap effectively break this this franchise in terms of his competitive level, because say that their ah, back end of the playoff kind of team in the East are they still going to be an attractive spot as constituted, Maybe with a returning Lowry and Asiye command you o b are they still going to be looked at favorably? Ah, year removed from having that that couple year run of success? Yeah, I think they're gonna have the year that we expected them to have last year.
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Like, gets his teams, you know? I mean, we did this really dispersed for years and years and years.
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Um, so you know, I mean, maybe that's the situation with them.
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You also toe wonder.
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I kind of wonder what an and nobody's gonna look like next year.
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Yeah, I thought Like what? Like if there was one take away you get from Toronto, it's like that guy actually might be.
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There's something with him. I don't know.
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I don't know if it's just a really, really good role player.
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Um, and and the ball handling is got to improve like immediately.
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But he's the guy that, like I think that's the next era.
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That's what I'm looking at.
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I get CIA come in a lot of ways, but like he's really, really interesting to me, so that it also just in back of my mind, it makes me think maybe they almost find themselves in a position not unlike what they did with Kawhi Leonard off of looking at that market and saying, Who's the guy we bring in on a two year short term, take another run at this thing and keep sustaining their success so that it will be interesting to watch in the background the and they could also do like a retool like they could try to do, like if they do.
00:17:49
I mean again, kind of what the Spurs did, where they look for, like try to get a draft pick in a class that's pretty good next year, either by they're not gonna fall out of the playoffs because they're too well coached and the East is awful But if you swing a trade like if you could get if you like, I guess the problem is that would be Lowry, that you're probably trading.
00:18:10
And I just don't know like he's been with that franchise so long, and he means so much to them that I almost feel like now we've hit a point where, especially after last year's playoff run, where they just had the ultimate you know, championship defense, like even he was such a big part of that that I do feel like he's almost kind of a franchise icon and they can't really traded, which is funny, like that's that We don't see that too much anymore.
00:18:37
Yeah, I wonder, like personally for him.
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If he still has this in his mind off, I could go win another champion.
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You know, I could win a couple championships if I go somewhere else right there.
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Plenty of places around the league, said Boy, if we have Larry a point guard for the next couple of years, or if he steps back and says I want a championship and even beyond Kawhi Leonard, I'm still looked at as a very important component toe, winning that championship, a very important piece toe what we've been able to do before and after him.
00:19:03
So it's okay if I play out the rest of my career here on a competitive team, by the way, in the East and just see how these other pieces develop around you.
00:19:11
So that does become very interesting and people to get moved.
00:19:13
Then you're really talking about a very big retooling, which be fun, fun to watch, at least from a Nick nurse Coach team perspective.
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But the the the DEMAR DeRozan piece of this obviously broke up What was very close friends in Lowry and DeRozan when they made that decision.
00:19:32
I know a lot of players have this experience.
00:19:34
Uh, you saw it with LaMarcus Aldridge There.
00:19:37
He seemed to not necessarily love what was happening on the Spurs and then shifted a little bit and seems like he's got more comfortable there.
00:19:46
But a lot of players, don't I? This is the margin Rosen wrong in not liking being in San Antonio, should he have more readily bought into the idea of one.
00:19:56
This is where I am now two on being coached by maybe the greatest coach in NBA history.
00:20:01
Maybe I should try to mold myself into this team, as opposed to maybe still looking at himself as a piece that you know, wants to be a bigger component to a team or wants to be a more valued member of a team.
00:20:15
You know, Spurs are a team first organization.
00:20:17
They're not a we surround our one iconic player with all this town.
00:20:22
I mean, they've done that, but it's also some of the parts.
00:20:25
It's the system.
00:20:26
It's how we want to run this thing.
00:20:28
Is there anything Thio Marta Rosen's personal perspective that's hurting him there? I just don't know what he's buying into, like that's fair to write.
00:20:38
Like Spurs also aren't where they were in Tim Duncan era or where they were in Kawhi Leonard Air like they are very different team now than they have been over the past two decades.
00:20:48
Yeah, so So I and I just don't I mean, they It's funny because Jay Rosen and LaMarcus are like Pops built everything around that everything the way, the way that they play it kind of e mean, it's smart, like you wanna build around the skills of your stars So they're both guys that, like, Thio to play in the mid range.
00:21:08
And that's how they've played now if that, you know I'm uninspiring.
00:21:16
Yeah, it's kind of bothers the Rosen isn't like, Yeah, but that's who you are.
00:21:19
Like, Yeah.
00:21:21
I mean, you've done the best that we can do with who you are and who Aldrich's, right? Like, I never liked that sit.
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I mean, when when that happened, I was like, I just don't like, Yeah, they might be, You know, they might make a a top four seed.
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Maybe, but I don't see this team going anywhere.
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Like I I never felt like that was gonna move the needle like bringing in tow Rosen and pairing him with LaMarcus.
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It just never seemed like five viable strategy years ago.
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You'd be like a little bit of bug e.
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I don't know.
00:21:54
So it's kind of tricky, but let's move off of San Antonio and talk about where the where closing could go.
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Well, let me just close with this.
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Like I think the thing for them is like it's like winning kind of cures everything and like that again, like there was just a ceiling on that.
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I think that's a side effect of that of him being like, Okay, I don't wanna be here.
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E gotta know how this is going.
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I notice that we're not doing so well.
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I prefer not to be here and carry on, because what is he, 30 to 30 eight? E? I want to say he's 31 a little bit younger, but I mean, but you are also talking about a player like Aldrich who's a handful of years older.
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I think it's a little bit different perspective in terms of where you are in your career.
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DeRozan probably still looks at it right now and says, Hey, like I can still be You know, I can be competing somewhere else in terms of a deeper playoff run.
00:22:40
And when you talk about this speculation around Casey in Detroit, you say, Hey, get back over to the Eastern Conference, where things were a little bit more open and I could be, ah, midlevel midlevel seed in the playoffs.
00:22:52
Do you like the idea around the speculation of Van Fleet and DeRozan to Detroit, where, as you were talking, that made become maybe reclamation themselves? Former fashion.
00:23:08
I think Griffin gets traded.
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It's my I've actually been really interested in that.
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That that has been kind of because I'm curious about where he goes.
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I've seen him like two Golden State.
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I've seen that a little bit, which I think is like, totally weird.
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But I'm I'm kind of into it a little bit.
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I think it's like a they need us that I need another score very quietly.
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I think they really dio they've just kind of their weapons air.
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Steph and Clay, who? That's awesome.
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But Clay doesn't really create for himself, like I actually really do think they have room for a Blake Griffin.
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Now that's a big risk to take.
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But I mean, look, if it gets the Wiggins contract off and like, you're just like, Hey, we're not, um I don't know, it's kinda curious.
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Kind of interesting.
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So and that was some of the pressure on Draymond green.
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Very different type of game.
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But offensively, you just say, Hey, Blake Griffin and well, you're gonna talk about rights, the surgery and what that like that he's getting healthier, arguably as healthy a lot of the last.
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Whatever the bottom really excited.
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It that could actually alleviate some expectations around what certain players would need to do for Golden State. For them to be successful.
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I just think it'll be fun, like, I just think that would be really fun.
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I think, like Blakes, a guy that like you, yeah, like depending on what it kind of gives you a little bit of leeway.
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If if Draymond has really declined offensively, like to the point where it's like if you get the ball and you're on the perimeter, we're either going to We're just kind of going to guard you in a way where we know you're not going to shoot it.
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Because I think since even Steph and Clay got injured like his jump shot has fallen off even further now, Blakes a nice asset for them because he kind of he can shoot it like he really can.
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He can shoot threes. Now he can.
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She's been able to shoot the mid range for what feels like a decade almost now.
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So so if you have that and you're pairing that with Stefan Clay steps so willing toe playoff ball and and curl on screens just like Clay is, um, I don't know.
00:25:13
It's kind of interesting.
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I like it. I think they could be awesome.
00:25:16
So now let's say that no matter where he ends up, if Blake Griffin is leaving Detroit and you're talking about DeRozan possibly talking about Van Fleet, possibly what else that does that does that excite you in Detroit? Does that make them interesting to you? And what else would they be looking to add to then really get them to a place because you still got to replace Blake Griffin in some form or fashion? And then you're also talking about the Derrick Rose peace and he's getting thrown out.
00:25:39
There is some speculation as well.
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Like, what does that roster end up looking like with DEMAR DeRozan Van Fleet? And then I know they gave out the big well.
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The expectations are a big contract for the youngster there who's coming off his big years.
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Well, the center I'm gonna lose his name here for Sarah Christian Would Christian would who e don't know if he's staying.
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I kind of figured that he was gonna they were gonna keep him, but I don't know.
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I have no idea what their situation is.
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I don't think I do believe there one of the cap space teams, but, um, yeah, no, it's tricky.
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I I have I have really, truthfully, no idea why bringing into Rosen is weird to me.
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I like vanvleet for them, actually a lot.
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I don't think he's like such a needle mover that you're gonna have him in a spot where you kind of creep into the 78 seed.
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I don't think he's that good, but he is young enough.
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And if you if you hit like a couple of you know, you get a couple of triples in the draft, uh, for a couple of years and you build something, you kind of can use him is one of your older veterans.
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That's he's a nice player because we haven't really seen him as an on ball creator.
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We've definitely seen him off the ball, and we know he's great in that role, so I I like that part of it.
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The DeRozan part doesn't make sense to me.
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I mean, maybe the ideas that you bring DeRozan in.
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He's almost like your point guard in a lot of ways, and you do put Van Fleet in that off ball roll because I think that is a little bit better student to him.
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He's just kind of smaller.
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And I felt like shot creation was not necessarily a strength in this year's playoffs.
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I mean, you even start against the Nets like he's got.
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He was getting his shot blocked against the Nets.
00:27:25
No, like, boy, it's like there's, like, one good player on the floor.
00:27:29
Like you probably don't wanna have this version of the neck.
00:27:33
Yeah, like, why is Dante Hall locking this guy? I mean, we're gonna I can't believe that I I still have in my brain.
00:27:41
Um, but no, Like s o.
00:27:44
I don't know.
00:27:45
So I think that part is really weird for May the eso looking up, the practical they practical cap space, which is just kind of gives you a better sense about because you could say what the actual cap spaces and excuse even deeper into the negative, depending on what teams you're talking about.
00:28:00
And I was just curious about where Don't try to pull up those Detroit assumed e.
00:28:05
I just looked it up.
00:28:06
I have this tab.
00:28:07
Yeah, I got a bunch of these.
00:28:09
I've got a practical cap space number of 37 million over here, I don't know, so maybe they can shed a little bit.
00:28:15
I wonder if that's if they let a couple but even eso, but even still, And by the way, that number, at least on on this.
00:28:20
Per you know, sports track is talking about them being the third highest practical cap space behind only the Knicks in the Atlanta Hawks.
00:28:27
So when you talk about being able to make some of these moves, but I guess again, to your point, it's like if I had that type of cap space and I was looking to do something, DeRozan wouldn't be the first or even the 15th name that I would get excited about in that way.
00:28:44
That's that would be my move.
00:28:46
I think Christian would is so interesting like you go back.
00:28:52
This is that this is my Loki, not Thio course.
00:28:54
Bring it always back to the next.
00:28:55
But this was my like, if there's a world where you talk about shedding people and I like guys that I like in din, witty and lover and even Jared Allen I looked and I said man, if you could accomplish getting him onto the Nets if he became, it was available to do so.
00:29:10
Almost.
00:29:11
Yeah, yeah, He's such an exciting piece and can affect multiple positions.
00:29:15
Gives you size gives you like like I and not even from the nets Perspective.
00:29:20
I'm gonna feel so disappointed if he stays with Detroit, because what I think it means is like, Hey, you're gonna watch this guy have great numbers in great stats on a team that is, it is gonna be relatively irrelevant.
00:29:30
The N b a landscape.
00:29:32
Yeah, I think.
00:29:35
But I also want to give them credit because the Nets had the opportunity like they were working.
00:29:50
The bucks had him.
00:29:51
The Bucks cut him.
00:29:52
Actually, let's playoffs.
00:29:53
They cut him, Um, the pelicans at him.
00:29:57
So all these teams that like, man, like you put this guy with Zion, that's like, That's exactly what he needs a stretch spinner.
00:30:05
That's literally exactly what he needs.
00:30:08
And a guy that's also, by the way, at fantastic Act
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RUMOR: Kawhi Leonard trade could be part of Clippers blowup

Los Angeles Clippers superstar Kawhi Leonard appears to be on his way out of the team in the coming offseason, with the front office looking to blow up the entire squad following what turned out to be a highly disappointing campaign. That is if you believe one out of the 20 unnamed sports agents that […]

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we start to diving on more, then Victor Oladipo speculation around the NBA off season.
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There's a lot of fun stuff to dive into.
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We're talking about this.
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This this article we're reacting to is like worth a subscription in itself.
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Um, so we're talking about an article today, and I think we're probably gonna maybe spend the entire time talking about it.
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Uh oh, you never know, but it's It's basically it's It's surveying 20 agents across the league about a variety of topics.
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You'll see the headline right here.
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Um, it's fantastic.
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Like it's a great read.
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I fell asleep with it on my lap.
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I'm gonna finish it once you get off.
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I have, like, a couple more paragraphs to go.
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It's awesome, and there's a lot to take away.
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It's given us a lot of things thio, new stories and new things to react to.
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So So I just told your thunder on the intro, but I had to give the athletic shadow things.
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And this is awesome, you know, credit credit where it's due because sometimes it does take, you know, a now outside source from your own mind of just speculating around things.
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And then it just starts really clicking and firing your head.
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All the things that could go on Lett's the big headline here that I think we'll probably dance off of the initial topic pretty quickly and then start to spread the league is the Clippers.
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We know it's been, uh, interesting out there.
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And things didn't go the way they anticipated this past season.
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They move on from Doc Rivers.
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They start to make some changes within the organization as well.
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And now they're talking about the possibility of blowing up this roster almost down to the studs.
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I think we all assumed it's going to be that no matter what, even just from contracts alone and what you spent to bring in a guy like Paul George, you're gonna at least be building around those core too.
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Any legs to the idea that the Clippers would look to, as this suggests, possibly move on from Kawhi Leonard.
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One year and one year in to the the reestablishing of the L.
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A Clippers, they go.
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You know what, though? We don't need one of the top five best players in the league.
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Let's get him out here.
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Uh, no, I don't.
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I mean, they just hired Tile Ooh, for five years, which tells me they're trying to win for the next couple.
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And almost I almost wonder if they're gonna offer Paul George and extension this summer because he is eligible.
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So if they offer him an extension he accepts.
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That definitely tells me that they're building around that core. Andi.
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I think it would be silly not to do that because Paul George is really good.
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I get that were I get that he didn't have necessarily the greatest playoffs, but he has a really good player.
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I think you put a roster around him.
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That makes a little more sense.
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Bring in like an actual point guard and not like a two guard posing as a point guard and Lou Williams and then a catch and shoot guy in in Pat Beverley.
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Um, so you bring in a point guard that's going to get Paul George the ball a little bit, Maybe actually use him off ball because I just don't feel like they ever did that.
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And he's awesome off ball like he's, you know, he's very much willing toe curl around screens and do stuff like that.
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Like, I just I don't know.
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I'd never liked the way they used him.
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Um, so I would say they're probably gonna keep those two intact.
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I think the biggest thing is just gonna be getting rid of Liu and hopefully not bringing back Montrezl Harrell because I think that would be silly.
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You keep zoo botch, you bring back to Michael Green.
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That's your center rotation roll with that still kind of play small.
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I mean, if you wanted to, you could try to bring in, like, a and Aaron pains or whatever the centers that are always brought up.
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Serge Ibaka believe their taxpaying teams.
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So they're gonna be at that 5 to 6 million, I believe.
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But yeah.
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I mean, I think the moves they're gonna make are gonna be really subtle.
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They're my They're my Chris Pollitt.
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Even though they're myself, Chris polity, they feel like they don't have any picks to trade.
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So that's that's tough.
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But But that would be my my stealth Chris Paul team.
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Yeah, whatever.
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Whatever you're planning on doing there and you say, you know, co I p G.
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That seems like the natural understanding but blowing up Listen, like you could still kind of be blowing up a team that's around specific players that exist on that roster and your quote superstars, but saying like, yeah, everything else that we thought we were putting around them to have success, we could almost will stop a lot of that away here.
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If it means that we start to reconstruct the team in that way, and that's why expectations are, maybe it is a Chris Paul.
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Maybe it's a veins, whatever it ends up being in those other pieces.
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But I think there are a lot of support roles there that they thought were going to be better complimentary pieces.
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And they really turned out to be this past year.
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So listen, I call it is not going anywhere.
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In my mind, Paul George isn't going anywhere in my mind so we could weaken.
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Move off of that and still gonna be interesting to see how the Clippers reconstruct themselves a little bit.
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Beyond that, though, there's a lot of other teams out there.
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They were talking that we're talking about in terms of moves to get made.
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How are they gonna either? Are they adding to reloading as the sports term usually goes? Or are they kind of stripping down and rebuilding a little bit? One of the teams I know you want to get into the Cem Spurs guys currently over there, that maybe move and a nice tie in here would be to say out there in Toronto, where they're wondering about Gasol is not gonna be back there on that team.
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How did they replace that side? So for the names And this is just a nice little crossover between former Toronto Raptors and the margin rose and as we know, but a couple of the hypothetical names that they threw out there for replacing Gasol and I want to see how these landed with you one is just a classic.
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I don't even know what this guy has left.
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He seems to be having injuries.
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DeMarcus Cousins I'll put out.
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Of course, Baines made the list.
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Aaron Veins, of course, had to make this list Paul Millsap and then even Mason Plumlee.
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So those last two names are guys that we think, at least from the last conversation we had, right, you know, running back kind of scenario for that team.
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Currently, you almost assumed that they may be back there because they kind of like what they did this past season.
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And they want to maybe take one more pass it that out of those four names, do any of them jump out of you is being nice.
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Fits.
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I kind of have the one that I lean to their its's weird.
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Um, I kind of like Mason Plumlee for them.
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Oh, dude, I was like, Great, He's a great passer and, you know, he obviously doesn't.
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You can't do the five out offense that they were doing with him and the free throws Aaron issue.
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So all of that is not great, I would say, but I don't know, like I don't think they're going to get Aaron Baynes.
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I think Aaron Baynes is gonna go somewhere, you know, he's gonna be on a championship roster.
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I just There's too many teams that have the ability to sign him and are going to be chasing him.
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I mean, he might go to the Lakers.
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For all we know, I was gonna say like, course, you know, they want him.
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So the Lakers want anybody.
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They go to the Lakers And who was the first one? The first one was DeMarcus Cousins.
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DeMarcus type in.
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Such also might stay with the Lakers.
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I I actually and I almost feel mawr confident about that than anybody else going to the Lakers right now.
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I think that I really feel like he's going to stay for the minimum play with a D because they're close and and and just try to, like, ride the LeBron train and hopefully bring back a little bit of his value.
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So that's another one that I'm kind of like You bring in a starting center for the Lakers.
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Then you have boogie off the bench, which just seems like unfair.
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I don't know.
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So, yeah.
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Plumley is that I You know, you run like handoff action with him.
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You use them in the short role, he's gonna be finding o g N o b in the corner.
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It's like I like that a lot, actually.
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That's why I always think like, listen, role player can look like for you and how it can complement with your current has Yeah, the name that jumped out like the risk reward of even, say, a boogie causes He's available.
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Well, if you bring him in and then he gets in at some point along the way, or like he needs some touches, right, he needs his looks as opposed to saying like I like Plumley is just dude like, here's what I want you to do when he goes Great.
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You know there's no there's no comment like there.
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There's no there's no issue about shares and shots and all those kind of things.
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So high energy guy.
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I think that that fits into the mold of what Toronto needs in terms collection of their parts.
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That's interesting.
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The the footnote I'll say about the Lakers and boogie Cousins.
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We talked about it, I think, last week when we were on together his back.
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He has an extra year on his deal there, but Dwight Howard doesn't I think, is what is the conclusion we came to.
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So the idea of Yeah, he is a player option, right? Right.
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Maybe he buys into it potentially e think he turns it down.
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I think he tries to test free agency that he has a little bit of like That's every indication.
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Yeah, I think so.
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It's funny, like I've heard that the center market is great from some people.
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I don't really think that's true at all like there's a couple of good free agents, but it's like you have the Aaron Baynes and like the whatever the eye Baca's and then after that, it's kind of like I mean Tristan Thompson which, like that's that's another good player.
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And then it's like a huge drop off.
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You go to like Plumlee and Meyers Leonard and I'm like God is Dwight Howard.
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The fourth best in his class is the kind of thing he is.
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And that's such a team specific, right? Like when you mentioned a guy like even Tristan Thompson, you say, Well, depending on where he goes, yes, he could have tremendous value, but I'd be highly speculative.
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If it's not a championship caliber team, then you're saying, Well, yeah, I I know what Tristan Thompson gives you from stat line perspective.
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He's not moving the needle for your team, So but free agent, it's JaVale who's got the player option.
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I'm never gonna get the three s, so that's it.
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But that's how that's so to me.
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I think the Lakers would be inclined to when you have boogie cousins inclined to say, thanks so much.
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Dwight, enjoy your ring.
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Enjoy the market.
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See what? Who? Someone to pay you.
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I think McGee not really picking up exactly, so he's inclined to come back.
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So even though like the one for one there of taking away Dwight Howard and putting in boogie cousins, two very different type of centers.
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But the impact that could have for the Lakers offensively alone is a very dangerous thing of like Oh, you know, Boogie Cousins has a perimeter shot.
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So now all of a sudden, the way that they utilized by it position when they didn't have a D in that role, or and even saying We use a D in the five roll sometimes and then we bring in Boogie Cousins and he continues to be able to serve that role there from that position that changes the dynamic of that team offensively and opens it up in a very dangerous way.
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If Cousins looks anything like he did one healthy and you know what's nice about that is like for him, they could just park him in that drop coverage, and they could just have him hang out right near the basket.
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They're so good on the perimeter that he just has to stand there and protect the basket like he's not like an awesome rim protector.
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But you put him in that role in like he's just he's tall, he's big and he's going to take up a lot of space in there.
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So that's like, kind of like if there's ever going to be a team where it's like, Wow, boogies really surviving defensively, it's going to be next to Anthony Davis, who's like, I don't eat like a fighter jet, like, just like circling around and just providing secondary help.
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So I I Yeah, I mean, like, That's like again like the perfect spot for him, where they I mean, And if it doesn't work, they just take him off.
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And if he's getting targeted and then you play Anthony Davis at center like that's the beauty of the Lakers there you just like no matter what you dio like.
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The Rockets did exactly what they needed to dio.
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They made them take their centers off the floor and the Lakers adjusted to them.
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And then the Lakers were even better.
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And and just look, ruin that franchise.
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Nothing worse than being like.
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Here's our adjustment.
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Let's see if you can handle it.
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And the counter is crap.
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They did something even better than yeah, like, Oh God! What? We're losing the Markieff Morris, like Oh, this is This is tough s O.
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By the way, Thio because I want to get into that that Toronto tie and where we started, I will say to It's like depending on what that price tag looks like.
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Like a Mason Plumlee on the Lakers in a support role is like a really nice low key.
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Get for them in the market where you added into that potentially as well.
00:13:00
Not that that's where I think they're going to go.
00:13:02
But players like that on championship caliber teams really help move the needle.
00:13:05
So over there in Toronto, where Van Fleet is set to hit the free agent market Ah, former Toronto Raptors, who spent some time in San Antonio and DEMAR DeRozan you were reading up about these guys and some of the potential making you go, let me read this full quote because it's really interesting.
00:13:22
I gotta find it.
00:13:24
It's it's basically talking about So one of the things that I think was really interesting about this article was, and I It's funny, like this article kind of like like not to get too much outside of basketball, but it's like, Oh, yeah, we have, like, a pandemic going on, and agents and players don't really know financially what the next couple of years looked like.
00:13:47
So this was the stuff and, like, we're not necessarily going to discuss this as much, But it's like they it's contracts may be different.
00:13:55
They're kind of waiting.
00:13:56
Everybody's waiting around for, like the cap to be announced and all these different factors.
00:14:02
One of things, I think was really interesting.
00:14:03
And this was kind of for me, Maybe other than the Yanis news and this Clippers news was this thing about Toronto? So it said this and this was about teams.
00:14:15
E think the question was about players that were most likely to move or leave their current teams, um, quotas de margin like San Antonio and doesn't want to be there.
00:14:26
If those guys leave, they land with Dwayne Casey in Detroit.
00:14:30
That relationship with the former coaches strong comes down to money for VanVleet, and the situation in Toronto is rough with the taxes Van Fleet is Van Fleet on the Pistons elevates his status as the number 1 to 2 guy on the team, so a lot to unpack their first stop, DEMAR DeRozan is being unhappy is like, kind of interesting in a lot of ways, Um, the thing that I took away And it's not even Toronto situation where it's I'm assuming their their books are hurting like pretty much everybody.
00:15:06
Except for I guess, like the Nets who go size network is like, gone up.
00:15:11
Uh, your books are hurting job.
00:15:13
No, they're not.
00:15:14
Yeah, like So you're fine.
00:15:17
So? So Toronto is this team that is prepared essentially toe have all this cap space, and they now have a situation where I don't know if they're going through some financial turmoil.
00:15:31
They were the only team that was brought up in this regard.
00:15:34
I was expecting to see Houston's name like, you know, 20 times in this article because Tilman Fertitta is businesses air, all hurting.
00:15:42
But it was Toronto.
00:15:43
They got brought up, which I think pistons getting some interesting players is like, I don't know, it's kind of it's kind of curious.
00:15:55
So first real quick on the Toronto side of it.
00:15:57
Do you think that that that year gap here, when they're planning for a year later in free agency? Because right now, at least loosely, they've been talking about the cap number coming down by potential 20 million versus where they thought it was gonna be.
00:16:09
Do you think that that year gap, it potentially van Fleet goes and you don't know how you're replacing Gasol on? Maybe Ibaka doesn't come back.
00:16:16
Could that year gap effectively break this this franchise in terms of his competitive level, because say that their ah, back end of the playoff kind of team in the East are they still going to be an attractive spot as constituted, Maybe with a returning Lowry and Asiye command you o b are they still going to be looked at favorably? Ah, year removed from having that that couple year run of success? Yeah, I think they're gonna have the year that we expected them to have last year.
00:16:47
Like, gets his teams, you know? I mean, we did this really dispersed for years and years and years.
00:16:53
Um, so you know, I mean, maybe that's the situation with them.
00:16:58
You also toe wonder.
00:17:00
I kind of wonder what an and nobody's gonna look like next year.
00:17:02
Yeah, I thought Like what? Like if there was one take away you get from Toronto, it's like that guy actually might be.
00:17:09
There's something with him. I don't know.
00:17:11
I don't know if it's just a really, really good role player.
00:17:13
Um, and and the ball handling is got to improve like immediately.
00:17:18
But he's the guy that, like I think that's the next era.
00:17:22
That's what I'm looking at.
00:17:23
I get CIA come in a lot of ways, but like he's really, really interesting to me, so that it also just in back of my mind, it makes me think maybe they almost find themselves in a position not unlike what they did with Kawhi Leonard off of looking at that market and saying, Who's the guy we bring in on a two year short term, take another run at this thing and keep sustaining their success so that it will be interesting to watch in the background the and they could also do like a retool like they could try to do, like if they do.
00:17:49
I mean again, kind of what the Spurs did, where they look for, like try to get a draft pick in a class that's pretty good next year, either by they're not gonna fall out of the playoffs because they're too well coached and the East is awful But if you swing a trade like if you could get if you like, I guess the problem is that would be Lowry, that you're probably trading.
00:18:10
And I just don't know like he's been with that franchise so long, and he means so much to them that I almost feel like now we've hit a point where, especially after last year's playoff run, where they just had the ultimate you know, championship defense, like even he was such a big part of that that I do feel like he's almost kind of a franchise icon and they can't really traded, which is funny, like that's that We don't see that too much anymore.
00:18:37
Yeah, I wonder, like personally for him.
00:18:40
If he still has this in his mind off, I could go win another champion.
00:18:44
You know, I could win a couple championships if I go somewhere else right there.
00:18:46
Plenty of places around the league, said Boy, if we have Larry a point guard for the next couple of years, or if he steps back and says I want a championship and even beyond Kawhi Leonard, I'm still looked at as a very important component toe, winning that championship, a very important piece toe what we've been able to do before and after him.
00:19:03
So it's okay if I play out the rest of my career here on a competitive team, by the way, in the East and just see how these other pieces develop around you.
00:19:11
So that does become very interesting and people to get moved.
00:19:13
Then you're really talking about a very big retooling, which be fun, fun to watch, at least from a Nick nurse Coach team perspective.
00:19:20
But the the the DEMAR DeRozan piece of this obviously broke up What was very close friends in Lowry and DeRozan when they made that decision.
00:19:32
I know a lot of players have this experience.
00:19:34
Uh, you saw it with LaMarcus Aldridge There.
00:19:37
He seemed to not necessarily love what was happening on the Spurs and then shifted a little bit and seems like he's got more comfortable there.
00:19:46
But a lot of players, don't I? This is the margin Rosen wrong in not liking being in San Antonio, should he have more readily bought into the idea of one.
00:19:56
This is where I am now two on being coached by maybe the greatest coach in NBA history.
00:20:01
Maybe I should try to mold myself into this team, as opposed to maybe still looking at himself as a piece that you know, wants to be a bigger component to a team or wants to be a more valued member of a team.
00:20:15
You know, Spurs are a team first organization.
00:20:17
They're not a we surround our one iconic player with all this town.
00:20:22
I mean, they've done that, but it's also some of the parts.
00:20:25
It's the system.
00:20:26
It's how we want to run this thing.
00:20:28
Is there anything Thio Marta Rosen's personal perspective that's hurting him there? I just don't know what he's buying into, like that's fair to write.
00:20:38
Like Spurs also aren't where they were in Tim Duncan era or where they were in Kawhi Leonard Air like they are very different team now than they have been over the past two decades.
00:20:48
Yeah, so So I and I just don't I mean, they It's funny because Jay Rosen and LaMarcus are like Pops built everything around that everything the way, the way that they play it kind of e mean, it's smart, like you wanna build around the skills of your stars So they're both guys that, like, Thio to play in the mid range.
00:21:08
And that's how they've played now if that, you know I'm uninspiring.
00:21:16
Yeah, it's kind of bothers the Rosen isn't like, Yeah, but that's who you are.
00:21:19
Like, Yeah.
00:21:21
I mean, you've done the best that we can do with who you are and who Aldrich's, right? Like, I never liked that sit.
00:21:27
I mean, when when that happened, I was like, I just don't like, Yeah, they might be, You know, they might make a a top four seed.
00:21:35
Maybe, but I don't see this team going anywhere.
00:21:39
Like I I never felt like that was gonna move the needle like bringing in tow Rosen and pairing him with LaMarcus.
00:21:46
It just never seemed like five viable strategy years ago.
00:21:50
You'd be like a little bit of bug e.
00:21:53
I don't know.
00:21:54
So it's kind of tricky, but let's move off of San Antonio and talk about where the where closing could go.
00:22:01
Well, let me just close with this.
00:22:02
Like I think the thing for them is like it's like winning kind of cures everything and like that again, like there was just a ceiling on that.
00:22:08
I think that's a side effect of that of him being like, Okay, I don't wanna be here.
00:22:12
E gotta know how this is going.
00:22:13
I notice that we're not doing so well.
00:22:15
I prefer not to be here and carry on, because what is he, 30 to 30 eight? E? I want to say he's 31 a little bit younger, but I mean, but you are also talking about a player like Aldrich who's a handful of years older.
00:22:28
I think it's a little bit different perspective in terms of where you are in your career.
00:22:31
DeRozan probably still looks at it right now and says, Hey, like I can still be You know, I can be competing somewhere else in terms of a deeper playoff run.
00:22:40
And when you talk about this speculation around Casey in Detroit, you say, Hey, get back over to the Eastern Conference, where things were a little bit more open and I could be, ah, midlevel midlevel seed in the playoffs.
00:22:52
Do you like the idea around the speculation of Van Fleet and DeRozan to Detroit, where, as you were talking, that made become maybe reclamation themselves? Former fashion.
00:23:08
I think Griffin gets traded.
00:23:10
It's my I've actually been really interested in that.
00:23:13
That that has been kind of because I'm curious about where he goes.
00:23:17
I've seen him like two Golden State.
00:23:19
I've seen that a little bit, which I think is like, totally weird.
00:23:22
But I'm I'm kind of into it a little bit.
00:23:25
I think it's like a they need us that I need another score very quietly.
00:23:29
I think they really dio they've just kind of their weapons air.
00:23:33
Steph and Clay, who? That's awesome.
00:23:36
But Clay doesn't really create for himself, like I actually really do think they have room for a Blake Griffin.
00:23:41
Now that's a big risk to take.
00:23:42
But I mean, look, if it gets the Wiggins contract off and like, you're just like, Hey, we're not, um I don't know, it's kinda curious.
00:23:53
Kind of interesting.
00:23:54
So and that was some of the pressure on Draymond green.
00:23:58
Very different type of game.
00:24:00
But offensively, you just say, Hey, Blake Griffin and well, you're gonna talk about rights, the surgery and what that like that he's getting healthier, arguably as healthy a lot of the last.
00:24:11
Whatever the bottom really excited.
00:24:13
It that could actually alleviate some expectations around what certain players would need to do for Golden State. For them to be successful.
00:24:19
I just think it'll be fun, like, I just think that would be really fun.
00:24:22
I think, like Blakes, a guy that like you, yeah, like depending on what it kind of gives you a little bit of leeway.
00:24:29
If if Draymond has really declined offensively, like to the point where it's like if you get the ball and you're on the perimeter, we're either going to We're just kind of going to guard you in a way where we know you're not going to shoot it.
00:24:43
Because I think since even Steph and Clay got injured like his jump shot has fallen off even further now, Blakes a nice asset for them because he kind of he can shoot it like he really can.
00:24:55
He can shoot threes. Now he can.
00:24:57
She's been able to shoot the mid range for what feels like a decade almost now.
00:25:01
So so if you have that and you're pairing that with Stefan Clay steps so willing toe playoff ball and and curl on screens just like Clay is, um, I don't know.
00:25:13
It's kind of interesting.
00:25:14
I like it. I think they could be awesome.
00:25:16
So now let's say that no matter where he ends up, if Blake Griffin is leaving Detroit and you're talking about DeRozan possibly talking about Van Fleet, possibly what else that does that does that excite you in Detroit? Does that make them interesting to you? And what else would they be looking to add to then really get them to a place because you still got to replace Blake Griffin in some form or fashion? And then you're also talking about the Derrick Rose peace and he's getting thrown out.
00:25:39
There is some speculation as well.
00:25:41
Like, what does that roster end up looking like with DEMAR DeRozan Van Fleet? And then I know they gave out the big well.
00:25:48
The expectations are a big contract for the youngster there who's coming off his big years.
00:25:53
Well, the center I'm gonna lose his name here for Sarah Christian Would Christian would who e don't know if he's staying.
00:26:00
I kind of figured that he was gonna they were gonna keep him, but I don't know.
00:26:04
I have no idea what their situation is.
00:26:06
I don't think I do believe there one of the cap space teams, but, um, yeah, no, it's tricky.
00:26:14
I I have I have really, truthfully, no idea why bringing into Rosen is weird to me.
00:26:21
I like vanvleet for them, actually a lot.
00:26:23
I don't think he's like such a needle mover that you're gonna have him in a spot where you kind of creep into the 78 seed.
00:26:31
I don't think he's that good, but he is young enough.
00:26:35
And if you if you hit like a couple of you know, you get a couple of triples in the draft, uh, for a couple of years and you build something, you kind of can use him is one of your older veterans.
00:26:47
That's he's a nice player because we haven't really seen him as an on ball creator.
00:26:53
We've definitely seen him off the ball, and we know he's great in that role, so I I like that part of it.
00:26:59
The DeRozan part doesn't make sense to me.
00:27:01
I mean, maybe the ideas that you bring DeRozan in.
00:27:04
He's almost like your point guard in a lot of ways, and you do put Van Fleet in that off ball roll because I think that is a little bit better student to him.
00:27:15
He's just kind of smaller.
00:27:16
And I felt like shot creation was not necessarily a strength in this year's playoffs.
00:27:21
I mean, you even start against the Nets like he's got.
00:27:23
He was getting his shot blocked against the Nets.
00:27:25
No, like, boy, it's like there's, like, one good player on the floor.
00:27:29
Like you probably don't wanna have this version of the neck.
00:27:33
Yeah, like, why is Dante Hall locking this guy? I mean, we're gonna I can't believe that I I still have in my brain.
00:27:41
Um, but no, Like s o.
00:27:44
I don't know.
00:27:45
So I think that part is really weird for May the eso looking up, the practical they practical cap space, which is just kind of gives you a better sense about because you could say what the actual cap spaces and excuse even deeper into the negative, depending on what teams you're talking about.
00:28:00
And I was just curious about where Don't try to pull up those Detroit assumed e.
00:28:05
I just looked it up.
00:28:06
I have this tab.
00:28:07
Yeah, I got a bunch of these.
00:28:09
I've got a practical cap space number of 37 million over here, I don't know, so maybe they can shed a little bit.
00:28:15
I wonder if that's if they let a couple but even eso, but even still, And by the way, that number, at least on on this.
00:28:20
Per you know, sports track is talking about them being the third highest practical cap space behind only the Knicks in the Atlanta Hawks.
00:28:27
So when you talk about being able to make some of these moves, but I guess again, to your point, it's like if I had that type of cap space and I was looking to do something, DeRozan wouldn't be the first or even the 15th name that I would get excited about in that way.
00:28:44
That's that would be my move.
00:28:46
I think Christian would is so interesting like you go back.
00:28:52
This is that this is my Loki, not Thio course.
00:28:54
Bring it always back to the next.
00:28:55
But this was my like, if there's a world where you talk about shedding people and I like guys that I like in din, witty and lover and even Jared Allen I looked and I said man, if you could accomplish getting him onto the Nets if he became, it was available to do so.
00:29:10
Almost.
00:29:11
Yeah, yeah, He's such an exciting piece and can affect multiple positions.
00:29:15
Gives you size gives you like like I and not even from the nets Perspective.
00:29:20
I'm gonna feel so disappointed if he stays with Detroit, because what I think it means is like, Hey, you're gonna watch this guy have great numbers in great stats on a team that is, it is gonna be relatively irrelevant.
00:29:30
The N b a landscape.
00:29:32
Yeah, I think.
00:29:35
But I also want to give them credit because the Nets had the opportunity like they were working.
00:29:50
The bucks had him.
00:29:51
The Bucks cut him.
00:29:52
Actually, let's playoffs.
00:29:53
They cut him, Um, the pelicans at him.
00:29:57
So all these teams that like, man, like you put this guy with Zion, that's like, That's exactly what he needs a stretch spinner.
00:30:05
That's literally exactly what he needs.
00:30:08
And a guy that's also, by the way, at fantastic Act

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