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And with that this week back into SportsCastr Bob Marley. Brick.
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And that is Matt Brooks on a Thursday morning for you, sir.
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As we start to dive in on more then Victor Oladipo speculation around the MBA off season.
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So we're talking about an article today, and I think we're probably gonna maybe spend the entire time talking about it.
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Uh oh, you never know, but it's It's basically it.
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It's surveying 20 agents across the league about a variety of topics.
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You'll see the headline right here.
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Um, it's fantastic.
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Like it's a great read.
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I fell asleep with it on my lap.
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I'm gonna finish it once you get off.
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I have, like, a couple more paragraphs to go.
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It's awesome, and there's a lot to take away.
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It's given us a lot of things thio, new stories and new things to react to.
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So So I just told your thunder on the intro, but I had to give the athletic shadow things.
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This is awesome credit credit where it's due because sometimes it does take, you know, a now outside source from your own mind.
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If just speculating around things and then it just starts really clicking and firing your head.
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All the things that could go on.
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Let's, uh, the big headline here that I think we'll probably dance off of the initial topic pretty quickly and then start to spread The league is the Clippers.
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We know it's been, uh, interesting out there, and things didn't go the way they anticipated this past season.
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They move on from Doc Rivers.
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They start to make some changes within the organization as well.
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And now they're talking about the possibility of blowing up this roster almost down to the studs.
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I think we all assumed it's going to be that no matter what, even just from contracts alone and what you spent to bring in a guy like Paul George, you're gonna at least be building around those core, too.
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Any legs to the idea that the Clippers would look to, as this suggests, possibly move on from Kawhi Leonard.
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One year and one year in to the the reestablishing of the L.
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A Clippers, they go.
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You know what, though? We don't need one of the top five best players in the league.
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Let's get him out here.
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No, I don't.
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I mean, they just hired Tile Ooh for five years, which tells me they're trying to win for the next couple.
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And almost, I almost wonder if they're gonna offer Paul George an extension this summer because he is eligible.
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So if they offer him an extension, he accepts, that definitely tells me that they're building around that core.
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Andi, I think it would be silly not to do that because Paul George is really good.
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I get that were I get that he didn't have necessarily the greatest playoffs, but he has a really good player.
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I think you put a roster around him.
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That makes a little more sense.
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Bring in like an actual point guard and not like a two guard posing as a point guard and Lou Williams and then a catch and shoot guy in in Pat Beverley.
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Um, so you bring in a point guard that's going to get Paul George the ball a little bit.
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Maybe actually use him off ball because I just don't feel like they ever did that.
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And he's awesome off ball like he's, you know, he's very much willing toe curl around screens and do stuff like that.
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Like I just I don't know.
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I'd never liked the way they used him.
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Um, so I would say they're probably gonna keep those two intact.
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I think the biggest thing is just gonna be getting rid of Liu and hopefully not bringing back Montrezl Harrell because I think that would be silly.
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You keep zoo botch you bring back to Michael Green.
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That's your center rotation roll with that still kind of play small.
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I mean, if you wanted to, you could try to bring in, like, a and Aaron pains or whatever the centers that are always brought up.
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Serge Ibaka believe they're a taxpaying teams.
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So they're going to be at that 5 to 6 million, I believe.
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But yeah, I mean, I think the moves they're gonna make are gonna be really subtle.
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They're my They're my Chris Paul team, though.
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There myself, Chris Paul team.
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They feel like they don't have any picks to trade.
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So that's that's tough, But But that would be my my stealth Chris Paul team.
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Yeah, whatever.
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Whatever you're planning on doing there and you say, you know, co I p G.
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That seems like the natural understanding but blowing up.
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Listen like you could still kind of be blowing up a team that's around specific players that exist on that roster in your quote superstars.
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But saying like, yeah, everything else that we thought we were putting around them to have success we could almost will stop a lot of that away here if it means that we start to reconstruct the team in that way.
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And that's why expectations are, Maybe it is a Chris Paul.
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Maybe it's a veins, whatever it ends up being in those other pieces.
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But I think there are a lot of support roles there that they thought were going to be better complimentary pieces.
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And they really turned out to be this past year.
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So listen, I couId is not going anywhere.
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In my mind, Paul George isn't going anywhere in my mind so we could weaken.
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Move off of that and still gonna be interesting to see how the Clippers reconstruct themselves a little bit.
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Beyond that, though, there's a lot of other teams out there.
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They were talking that we're talking about in terms of moves to get made.
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How are they gonna either? Are they adding to reloading as the sports term usually goes, or are they kind of stripping down and rebuilding a little bit? One of the teams I know you want to get into the Cem Spurs guys currently over there.
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That maybe move and a nice tie in here would be to say out there in Toronto, were there wondering about Gasol is not gonna be back there on that team, how they replace that side.
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So for the names.
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And this is just a nice little crossover between former Toronto Raptors and the margin rose and as we know, but a couple of the hypothetical names that they threw out there for replacing Gasol and I want to see how these landed with you one is just a classic.
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I don't even know what this guy has left.
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He seems to be having injuries.
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DeMarcus Cousins I'll put out.
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Of course, Baines made the list.
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Aaron Veins, of course, had to make this list Paul Millsap and then even Mason Plumlee.
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So those last two names are guys that we think, at least from the last conversation we had, right, you know, run it back kind of scenario for that team.
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Currently, you almost assumed that they may be back there because they kind of like what they did this past season, and they want to maybe take one more pass it that out of those four names do any of them jump out of you is being nice? Fits.
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I kind of have the one that I lean to their its's weird.
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Um, I kind of like Mason Plumlee for them.
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Oh, dude, I was like, He's great.
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He's a great passer and, you know, he obviously doesn't.
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You can't do the five out offense that they were doing with him and the free throws Ahron issue.
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So all of that is not great, I would say, but I don't know, like I don't think they're going to get Aaron Baynes.
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I think Aaron Baynes is gonna go somewhere, you know.
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He's gonna be on a championship roster.
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I just There's too many teams that have the ability to sign him and are going to be chasing him.
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I mean, he might go to the Lakers for all we know.
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E, I was gonna say like course, you know they want him.
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So the Lakers want anybody.
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They go to the Lakers and who was the first one? The first one was DeMarcus cousins.
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DaMarcus is also might stay with the Lakers.
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I I actually and I almost feel more confident about that than anybody else going to the Lakers right now.
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I think that I really feel like he's going to stay for the minimum play with a D, because they're close and and and just try to, like, ride the LeBron train and hopefully bring back a little bit of his value.
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So that's another one that I'm kind of like.
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You bring in a starting center for the Lakers.
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Then you have boogie off the bench, which just seems like unfair.
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I don't know.
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So, yeah, Plumlee, I You know, you run like handoff action with him.
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You use them in the short role.
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He's gonna be finding O g N N o b in the corner.
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It's like I like that a lot, actually, that's why I always think like, Listen, there's a difference between starting high caliber players in the impact they have on your roster.
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But then there's There's a certain value in just knowing what a role player can look like for you and how it can complement what you currently have.
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Yeah, the name that jumped out.
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Like the risk reward of even, say, a boogie causes.
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If he's available Well, if you bring him in and then he gets injured at some point along the way.
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Or like he needs some touches, right? He needs his looks as opposed to saying like I like Plumley is just dude like, here's we want you to do And it was great.
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You know, there's no there's no comment like there.
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There's no there's no issue about shares and shots and all those kind of things.
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So high energy guy.
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I think that that fits into the mold of what Toronto needs in terms collection of their parts. That's interesting.
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The the footnote I'll say about the Lakers and boogie cousins.
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We talked about it, I think, last week when we were on together his back.
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He has an extra year on his deal there.
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But Dwight Howard doesn't.
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I think, is what we is.
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The conclusion we came to.
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So the idea of he's a player option, right? Right? Maybe he buys into it potentially e think he turns it down.
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I think he tries to test free agency.
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He has a little bit of that's every indication.
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Yeah, I think so.
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It's funny, like I've heard that the center market is great from some people.
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I don't really think that's true at all.
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Like there's a couple of good free agents.
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But it's like you have the Aaron Baynes and like the whatever the eye Baca's.
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And then after that, it's kind of like I mean, Tristan Thompson, which, like that's that's another good player.
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And then it's like a huge drop off.
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You go to like Plumlee and Meyers.
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Leonard and I'm like God is Dwight Howard.
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The fourth best in its class is the kind of thing he is.
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And that's such a team specific, right? Like when you mentioned a guy like even Tristan Thompson, you say, Well, depending on where he goes, yes, he could have tremendous value, but I'd be highly speculative.
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If it's not a championship caliber team, then you're saying, Well, yeah, I I know what Tristan Thompson gives you from Stat line perspective is not moving the needle for your team, so but I'm wrong.
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He is a He is an understood free agent.
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It's JaVale who's got the player option.
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I'm never gonna get the play s, so that's it.
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But that's how that's so to me.
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I think the Lakers would be inclined to when you have boogie cousins inclined to say Thanks so much.
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Dwight, Enjoy your ring.
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Enjoy the market.
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See what? Who's going to pay you? I think McGee probably pick it up exactly, so he's inclined to come back.
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So even though like the one for one there of taking away Dwight Howard and putting in Boogie Cousins two very different type of centers.
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But the impact that that could have for the Lakers offensively alone is a very dangerous thing of like Oh, you know, Boogie Cousins has a perimeter shot.
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So now all of a sudden, the way that they utilized by position when they didn't have a D in that role, or and even saying We use a D in the five roll sometimes and then we bring in Boogie Cousins and he continues to be able to serve that role there from that position that changes the dynamic of that team offensively and opens it up in a very dangerous way.
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If cousins looks anything like he did one healthy and you know what's nice about that is like for him, they could just park him in that drop coverage, and they could just have him hang out right near the basket.
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They're so good on the perimeter that he just has to stand there and protect the basket like he's not like an awesome rim protector.
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But you put him in that role in like he's just he's tall, he's big and he's going to take up a lot of space in there.
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So that's like, kind of like if there's ever going to be a team where it's like, Wow, boogies really surviving defensively, it's going to be next to Anthony Davis, who's like, I don't eat like a fighter jet, like, just like circling around and just providing secondary help.
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So I I Yeah, I mean, like, That's, like again like the perfect spot for him, where they I mean, And if it doesn't work, they just take him off.
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And if he's getting targeted and then you play Anthony Davis at center like that's the beauty of the Lakers there you just like no matter what you dio like.
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The Rockets did exactly what they needed to Dio.
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They made them take their centers off the floor and the Lakers adjusted to them, and then the Lakers were even better and and just look ruined that franchise.
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Nothing worse than being like Here's our adjustment.
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Let's see if you can handle it.
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And the counter is crap.
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They did something even better than yeah, like, Oh, God, we're losing a Markieff, Morris, like, Oh, this is This is tough S O, by the way, Thio, Because I want to get into that that Toronto tie and where we started, I will say to It's like depending on what that price tag looks like.
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Like a Mason Plumlee on the Lakers in a support role is like a really nice low key.
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Get for them in the market where you added into that potentially as well.
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Not that that's where I think they're going to go.
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But players like that on championship caliber teams really help move the needle.
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So over there in Toronto, where Van Fleet is set to hit the free agent market Ah, former Toronto Raptors, who spent some time in San Antonio and DEMAR DeRozan you were reading up about these guys and some of the potential making you go.
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Let me read this full quote because it's really interesting.
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I gotta find it.
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It's It's basically talking about.
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So one of the things that I think was really interesting about this article was and I It's funny, like this article kind of like like not to get too much outside of basketball.
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But it's like, Oh, yeah, we have, like, a pandemic going on.
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And agents and players don't really know financially what the next couple of years look like.
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So this was the stuff and like, we're not necessarily going to discuss this as much, but it's like they it's contracts may be different.
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They're kind of waiting.
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Everybody's waiting around for, like the cap to be announced and all these different factors.
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One of things I think was really interesting.
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And this was kind of for me, Maybe other than the Yanis news and this Clippers news was this thing about Toronto? So it said this and this was about teams.
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E think the question was about players that were most likely to move or leave their current teams, um, quotas de margin like San Antonio and doesn't want to be there.
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If those guys leave, they land with Dwayne Casey in Detroit.
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That relationship with the former coaches strong comes down to money for VanVleet, and the situation in Toronto is rough with the taxes Van Fleet is.
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Van Fleet on the Pistons elevates his status as the number 1 to 2 guy on the team, so a lot to unpack their first stop, DEMAR DeRozan, is being unhappy is, like kind of interesting in a lot of ways.
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Um, the thing that I took away and it's not even it doesn't have to do with any of the players named.
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It's this Toronto situation where it's I'm assuming their books are hurting like pretty much everybody.
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Except for I guess, like the Nets who go size network is like, gone up.
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Uh, your books are hurting.
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Jump. No, they're not.
00:15:22
Yeah, like So you're fine.
00:15:25
So? So Toronto is this team that is prepared, essentially toe have all this cap space in 2021 they now have a situation where I don't know if they're going through some financial turmoil.
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They were the only team that was brought up in this regard.
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I was expecting to see Houston's name like, you know, 20 times in this article, because Tilman Fertitta is businesses air all hurting. But it was Toronto.
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They got brought up, which I think is interesting.
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The other thing is just the Pistons.
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Getting some interesting players is like, I don't know, it's kind of it's kind of curious.
00:16:03
So first real quick on the Toronto side of it.
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Do you think that that that year gap here, when they're planning for a year later in free agency? Because right now, at least loosely, they've been talking about the cap number coming down by potential 20 million versus where they thought it was gonna be.
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Do you think that that year gap if potentially Van Fleet goes and you don't know how you're replacing Gasol on, maybe Ibaka doesn't come back? Could that year gap effectively break this this franchise in terms of his competitive level? Because say that their ah, back end of the playoff kind of team in the East are they still gonna be an attractive spot as constituted? Maybe with a returning Lowry and a CIA Nuo be Are they still going to be looked at favorably? Ah, year removed from having that that couple year run of success? Yeah, I think they're gonna have the year that we expected them to have last year, But I don't know, Nurse might be just one of those guys that gets his teams, you know? I mean, we did this really the Spurs for years and years and years.
00:17:02
Um, so you know, I mean, maybe that's the situation with them.
00:17:07
You also to wonder, I kind of wonder what an and nobody's gonna look like next year.
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Yeah, I thought, Like what? Like if there was one take away you get from Toronto, it's like that guy actually might be.
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There's something with him.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if it's just a really, really good role player.
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Um, and and the ball handling is got to improve like immediately.
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But he's the guy that, like, I think that's the next era.
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That's what I'm looking at.
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I get CIA come in a lot of ways, but like he's really, really interesting to may, so that it also just in back of my mind, it makes me think maybe they almost find themselves in a position not unlike what they did with Kawhi Leonard off of looking at that market and saying, Who's the guy we bring in on a two year short term take another run at this thing and keep sustaining their success so that it will be interesting to watch in the background the and they could also do like a retool like they could try to do.
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Like if they do, I mean again, kind of what the Spurs did, where they look for, like, try to get a draft pick in a class that's pretty good next year, either by they're not gonna fall out of the playoffs because they're too well coached and the East is awful.
00:18:10
But if you swing a trade like if you could get if you like, I guess the problem is that would be Lowry, that you're probably trading.
00:18:19
And I just don't know like he's been with that franchise so long, and he means so much to them that I almost feel like now we've hit a point where, especially after last year's playoff run, where they just had the ultimate you know, championship defense, like even he was such a big part of that that I do feel like he's almost kind of a franchise icon and they can't really traded, which is funny, like that's that we don't see that too much anymore.
00:18:46
Yeah, I wonder, like personally for him.
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If he still has this in his mind off, I could go win another champion.
00:18:52
You know, I could win a couple championships if I go somewhere else, right? There's plenty of places around the league and say, Boy, if we had Larry a point guard for the next couple of years or if he steps back and says I want a championship And even beyond Kawhi Leonard, I'm still looked at as a very important component toe winning that championship.
00:19:08
Ah, very important piece toe what we've been able to do before and after him.
00:19:12
So it's okay if I play out the rest of my career here on a competitive team, by the way, in the East and just see how these other pieces develop around you.
00:19:19
So that does become very interesting and people to get moved.
00:19:22
Then you're really talking about a very big retooling, which be fun, fun to watch, at least from a Nick nurse coach team perspective.
00:19:29
But the the the DEMAR DeRozan piece of this obviously broke up what was very close friends in Lowry and DeRozan when they made that decision I know a lot of players have this experience.
00:19:43
Uh, you saw it with LaMarcus Aldridge There.
00:19:46
He seemed to not necessarily love what was happening on the Spurs and then shifted a little bit and seems like he's got more comfortable there.
00:19:54
But a lot of players, don't I? This is the margin.
00:19:57
Rosen wrong in not liking being in San Antonio.
00:20:01
Should he have more readily bought into the idea of one. This is where I am now.
00:20:06
Two on being coached by maybe the greatest coach in NBA history.
00:20:10
Maybe I should try to mold myself into this team, as opposed to maybe still looking at himself as a piece that you know, wants to be a bigger component to a team or wants to be a more valued member of a team.
00:20:23
You know, Spurs are a team first organization.
00:20:26
They're not a we surround our one iconic player with all this town.
00:20:31
I mean, they've done that, but it's also some of the parts.
00:20:34
It's the system.
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It's how we want to run this thing.
00:20:36
Is there anything todo Marta Rosen's personal perspective that's hurting him there? I just don't know what he's buying into like that's fair to write.
00:20:46
Like the Spurs also aren't where they were in Tim Duncan era or where they were in Kawhi Leonard Air like they are very different team now than they have been over the past two decades.
00:20:56
Yeah, so So I and I just don't I mean, they It's funny because DeRozan and LaMarcus are like Pops built everything around that everything the way, the way that they play it kind of e mean, it's smart, like you wanna build around the skills of your stars.
00:21:13
So they're both guys that, like, Thio to play in the mid range, And that's how they've played.
00:21:19
Now it's that, you know? Yeah, it's kind of bothers.
00:21:25
DeRozan isn't like, Yeah, but that's who you are.
00:21:28
Like, Yeah.
00:21:29
I mean, you've done the best that we can do with who you are and who Aldrich's, right? Like, I never liked that fit.
00:21:35
I mean, when when that happened, I was like, I just don't like, yeah, they might be, You know, they might make a a top four seed.
00:21:44
Maybe, but I don't see this team going anywhere.
00:21:47
Like I I never felt like that was gonna move the needle like bringing in tow Rosen and pairing him with LaMarcus.
00:21:54
It just never seemed like five viable strategy years ago.
00:21:58
You'd be like a little bit of bug e.
00:22:01
I don't know.
00:22:02
So it's kind of tricky, but let's move off of San Antonio and talk about where the closing could go.
00:22:09
Well, let me just close with this.
00:22:10
Like I think the thing for them is like it's like winning kind of cures everything and like that again, like there was just a ceiling on that.
00:22:17
I think that's a side effect of that of him being like Okay, I don't wanna be here.
00:22:20
E gotta know this was going.
00:22:22
I notice that we're not doing so well.
00:22:24
I'd prefer not to be here and carry on, because what is he? 32? 30.
00:22:28
38 e.
00:22:30
I want to say he's 31 a little bit younger, but I mean, but you are also talking about a player like Aldrich who's a handful of years older.
00:22:37
I think it's a little bit different perspective in terms of where you are in your career.
00:22:40
DeRozan probably still looks at it right now and says, Hey, like I can still be.
00:22:44
You know, I can be competing somewhere else in terms of a deeper playoff run.
00:22:48
And when you talk about this speculation around Casey in Detroit, you say, Hey, get back over to the Eastern Conference, where things were a little bit more open and I could be, Ah, midlevel midlevel seed in the playoffs.
00:23:00
Do you like the idea around the speculation of Van Fleet and DeRozan to Detroit, where, as you were talking before we got on here? You have a player in Blake Griffin that maybe become maybe reclamation himself in some form or fashion? I think Griffin gets traded.
00:23:18
It's my that I've actually been really interested in that, that that has been kind of because I'm curious about where he goes.
00:23:25
I've seen him like two Golden State.
00:23:27
I've seen that a little bit, which I think is like, totally weird, but I'm I'm kind of into it a little bit.
00:23:33
I think it's like a they need us that I need another score very quietly.
00:23:38
I think they really dio they've just kind of their weapons air.
00:23:41
Steph and Clay, who? That's awesome.
00:23:44
But Clay doesn't really create for himself.
00:23:46
Like I actually really do think they have room for a Blake Griffin.
00:23:49
Now, that's a big risk to take.
00:23:51
But, I mean, look, if it gets the Wiggins contract off and like, you're just like, hey, we're not And, um, yeah, I don't know.
00:24:01
It's got serious kind of interesting.
00:24:03
So and that was some of the pressure on Draymond Green.
00:24:07
Very different type of game.
00:24:08
But offensively, you just say, Hey, Blake Griffin and, well, you're gonna talk about rights, the surgery And what that like that he's getting healthier, arguably as healthy a lot of the last, whatever the bottom black side of it that could actually alleviate some expectations around what certain players would need to do for Golden State, for them to be successful.
00:24:27
I just think it would be fun.
00:24:29
Like, I just think that would be really fun.
00:24:31
I think, like Blakes, a guy that like you, Yeah, like depending on what it kind of gives you a little bit of leeway.
00:24:38
If if Draymond has really declined offensively, like to the point where it's like if you get the ball and you're on the perimeter, where either going to, we're just kind of going to guard you in a way where we know you're not gonna shoot it.
00:24:51
Because I think since even Steph and Clay got injured, like his jump shot has fallen off even further.
00:24:58
Now Blakes a nice asset for them because he kind of he can shoot it like he really can.
00:25:03
He can shoot threes.
00:25:04
Now he can.
00:25:05
She's been able to shoot the mid range for what feels like a decade almost now.
00:25:09
So So, if you have that and you're pairing that with Stefan Clay steps so willing toe playoff ball and and curl on screens just like Clay is, um I don't know, it's kind of interesting.
00:25:22
I like it. I think they could be awesome.
00:25:24
So now let's say that no matter where he ends up, if Blake Griffin is leaving Detroit and you're talking about DeRozan possibly talking about Van Fleet, possibly what else that does that does that excite you in Detroit? Does that make them interesting to you? And what else would they be looking to add to then really get them to a place because you still got to replace Blake Griffin in some form or fashion, and then you're also talking about the Derrick Rose peace and he's getting thrown out.
00:25:48
There is, um, some speculation as well.
00:25:49
Like, what does that roster end up looking like with DEMAR DeRozan van Fleet.
00:25:54
And then I know they gave out the big well.
00:25:56
The expectations are a big contract for the youngster there who's coming off his big years.
00:26:01
Well, the center I'm gonna lose his name here first.
00:26:03
Christian would Christian would who e don't know if he's staying.
00:26:08
I kind of figured that he was gonna they were gonna keep him, But I don't know.
00:26:12
I have no idea what their situation is.
00:26:15
I don't think I do believe there one of the cap space teams, but, um, yeah, no, it's tricky.
00:26:22
I I have I have really, truthfully, no idea why bringing into Rosen is weird to me.
00:26:29
I like vanvleet for them.
00:26:30
Actually a lot.
00:26:31
I don't think he's like such a needle mover that you're gonna have him in a spot where you kind of creep into the 78 seed.
00:26:39
I don't think he's that good, but he is young enough.
00:26:43
And if you if you hit like a couple of you know, you get a couple of triples in the draft, Uh, for a couple of years and you build something you kind of can use him is one of your older veterans.
00:26:55
That's he's a nice player because we haven't really seen him as an on ball creator.
00:27:02
We've definitely seen him off the ball, and we know he's great in that role.
00:27:05
So I I like that part of it.
00:27:08
The DeRozan part doesn't make sense to me.
00:27:10
I mean, maybe the ideas that you bring to Rosen in.
00:27:13
He's almost like your point guard in a lot of ways.
00:27:17
And you do put Van Fleet in that off ball roll because I think that is a little bit better student to him.
00:27:23
He's just kind of smaller, and I felt like shot creation was not necessarily a strength in this year's playoffs.
00:27:30
I mean, you even start against the Nets like he's got.
00:27:32
He was getting his shot blocked against the Nets.
00:27:34
No, like boy, it's like there's like, one good player on the floor, like you probably don't wanna have this version of the neck.
00:27:42
Yeah, like, why is Dante Hall locking this guy that today and we're gonna I can't believe that I I still have in my brain.
00:27:50
Um, but no, Like s o.
00:27:53
I don't know.
00:27:54
So I I think that part is really weird for May the eso also look up the practical they practical cap space, which is just kind of gives you a better sense about because you could say what the actual cap spaces and excuse even deeper into the negative, depending on what teams you're talking about.
00:28:08
And I was just curious about where I want to.
00:28:11
I pull up those Detroit 32 e.
00:28:14
I just looked it up.
00:28:15
I have this tadpole.
00:28:16
Yeah, I got a bunch of these.
00:28:17
I've got a practical cap space number of 37 million over here s so maybe they can shed a little bit.
00:28:23
I wonder if that's if they let a couple points eso but even still, And by the way, that number, at least on on this perp, you know, sports track is talking about them being the third highest practical cap space behind only the Knicks in the Atlanta Hawks.
00:28:35
So when you talk about being able to make some of these moves, but I guess again, to your point It's like if I had that type of cap space and I was looking to do something, DeRozan wouldn't be the first or even the 15th name that I would get excited about in that way.
00:28:52
That's that would be my move.
00:28:54
I think Christian would is so interesting.
00:28:59
Like, if you go back, this is that This is my Loki, not Thio course.
00:29:02
Bring it always back to the Nets.
00:29:03
But this was my like, If there's a world where you talk about shedding people and I like guys that I like in din witty and lover and even Jared Allen I looked and I said, Man, if you could accomplish getting him onto the Nets if he became, it was available to do so almost.
00:29:19
Yeah, yeah, he's such an exciting piece and can affect multiple positions.
00:29:24
Gives you size, gives you like like I am not even from the Nets perspective.
00:29:29
I'm gonna feel so disappointed if he stays with Detroit, because what I think it means is like, Hey, you're gonna watch this guy have great numbers in great stats on a team that is, it is gonna be relatively irrelevant in the n b. A landscape.
00:29:41
Yeah, I think.
00:29:43
But I also want to give them credit because the Nets had the opportunity like they were working him out.
00:29:51
They were looking at him really hard to kick this year off and they blew it.
00:29:58
The Bucks had him.
00:29:59
The Bucks cut him.
00:30:01
Actually, last year's playoffs, they cut him, Um, the pelicans at him.
00:30:06
So all these teams that like, man, like you put this guy with Zion that's like That's exactly what he needs a stretch spinner.
00:30:14
That's literally exactly what he needs.
00:30:17
And a guy that's also, by the way, at fantastic athlete.
00:30:20
So if you keep him with Zion and you have Lonzo but like that team is suddenly one of the three best transition teams in the league S O.
00:30:31
So I don't know.
00:30:32
It's like kind of credit to the Pistons for for finding this guy and giving him a chance and not being scared away by some of the off court things, because I think that was the big thing with him.
00:30:43
He's awesome because he's this, like, perfect center.
00:30:46
He's a center insanely athletic.
00:30:49
I I'm so high on him like I I look at him, is like a potential multi time All Star.
00:30:55
I I really think he's that good.
00:30:56
He's got that much talent, the defense.
00:30:59
He'll figure it out.
00:31:00
I just I don't know.
00:31:01
I think they hit the home run.
00:31:03
I actually kind of hope he stays.
00:31:05
So let's ask them the question, because I just talked with Doug about this on W g N yesterday around the idea of So we know we have these cap restriction numbers now for Detroit.
00:31:15
They're in a great spot of being able to do what they need to do internally first, but to take a look at those at the Nets briefly, everyone's assumed Joseph size come out and said it.
00:31:25
Sean, Mark, says Joe Harris.
00:31:27
Is this automatic priority for us? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:31:30
However, there's always a threshold somewhere.
00:31:34
There's a number that exists that any team, when it comes to bringing back a piece and not a superstar goes well.
00:31:40
Yeah, just from a practical standpoint, we can't pay X out.
00:31:43
Is there that threshold where and you could say for even for Christian would as much room as Detroit has, where if some other teams that we're gonna throw this at you.
00:31:51
They can always match it and they go, Oh, boy, that's a bigger number than we want to commit.
00:31:54
Likewise for Joe Harris.
00:31:55
If we say we're living and they let's say 15 to $18 million range a year, right, that's where the Nets like.
00:32:01
I don't worry about We're going over that. We're going over the luxury.
00:32:03
Doesn't matter if a team goes, here's 22.
00:32:06
I think that's the number.
00:32:07
And that's like e mean, Jesus.
00:32:10
Even for Joe, we love Joe Harris.
00:32:12
But even then, that's still a pretty hefty price to pay to keep this guy there.
00:32:16
And the tying for me is so Christian would Detroit takes the chance.
00:32:20
I'm given the opportunity.
00:32:21
It's not unlike Joe Harris, right? He's off the scrapheap from Cleveland being buried on the bench somewhere.
00:32:26
We know that there's a fondness for Brooklyn, and also 45 months more million dollars a year can change your perspective on where your loyalties lie.
00:32:34
Yeah, I think that's the number.
00:32:36
The good thing for the Nets is that, like Onley on Lee, a couple teams can can really offer that.
00:32:43
So it's it's like it would be a Detroit who? I mean, I don't know.
00:32:48
I really think he's coming back.
00:32:50
Christian would.
00:32:51
So then it becomes like, Would Atlanta do that? Atlanta feels like Atlanta feels like a team that would do that.
00:32:57
That would be the team that, like, If I'm the Nets, I'm sitting there like that.
00:33:02
The Hawks are going to They're going to try to throw crazy money at a couple of guys because they really want to make the playoffs.
00:33:10
If they don't get those guys or Joe Harris may even be in that first group of guys that they're throwing crazy money at.
00:33:18
I would be terrified of them.
00:33:19
They have $51 million.
00:33:22
They could throw 20 million and then go through another 20 million it somebody else.
00:33:27
Because there this this is for years.
00:33:29
This is the year they can get like a couple of really solid players.
00:33:33
Put them next to Trey.
00:33:35
Put them next to John Collins.
00:33:36
If they don't want to keep John Collins trade John Collins, they're scary.
00:33:41
That's the one team I would be worried about.
00:33:44
Do you think that Joe Harris again in that in that Hey, there's more money out there.
00:33:47
Do you think that Joe Harris at all is, or any of these players and Christian would write? Are they taking into account this idea of, like, right? But even me on the Like Me on the Brooklyn Nets with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant, this is money plus championship opportunities, even on the Atlanta Hawks.
00:34:04
Great, thanks so much for the big paycheck, even with, like, you're still gonna be, at best, a back end playoff team.
00:34:10
That's losing pretty early.
00:34:12
If you make it, I would say if we weren't in like again with this article.
00:34:17
There's so much stuff about the the financial side of things and how much like one of the things I thought was really interesting in that article was that every single guy with an option, the and this is the multiple agents said this. They work.
00:34:35
And again, you remember what the agents agents secretly very, very secretly.
00:34:39
They're pulling all the strings of the league.
00:34:41
It's a story that we don't talk about very much and just a general trend, but it's it's, you know, they're pairing the guys.
00:34:48
They're they're they're bringing teams together.
00:34:51
They're talking with each other You know, they're saying like there's a rumor going around when Paul, George, um, you know, stayed in O. K. C.
00:34:59
Didn't come to the Lakers.
00:35:00
It was because he was a CIA.
00:35:02
Got the Lakers air, obviously a clutch to you, those Air competitive.
00:35:07
I don't know if that's true or not.
00:35:09
I don't It's a conspiracy theory.
00:35:12
It's one of the few conspiracy theories in the n B A that I really buy.
00:35:15
So you have.
00:35:17
You have this like you have an entire landscape where guys, they're like, very open and just taking every single option they have.
00:35:23
You have a team like the Hawks or I'm looking.
00:35:26
Now you have.
00:35:27
It seemed like the New York Knicks, who have $46 million available $46 million.
00:35:34
They had a key.
00:35:35
That's a lot, but that's a great example.
00:35:39
Like, is Joe Harris gonna take a ton of money from the New York Knicks? Like I like e.
00:35:45
I mean, it's That's no Yeah, you could say that.
00:35:48
They bring in Victor Oladipo and then they have Joe Harris.
00:35:51
And then this thing starts to look a lot different with R.
00:35:53
J.
00:35:54
Barrett and they least look, they instantly get interesting and exciting and competitive to a certain degree.
00:35:59
Yeah, and that's such a terrifying what to touch on your agent thing is just like, is there Ah, mansion Somewhere where all these agents get together and they're not talking about, like wins and losses and MBA teams that are greater bad? All they're doing is being like Boy, remember that time when I pulled together Player X and player? Why and I I worked the streams and got them together out there on this team, like I feel like to your point of agents pulling the strings behind the scenes.
00:36:26
There's also this, like they're not locked into the n b A.
00:36:29
They're just locked into what they're able to accomplish from bringing together these personalities like it's such a weird hierarchy, right of of, of how the embassy sports in general, how it's constructed and what the barometer of success is.
00:36:43
You know GMs well, we wanna put together successful team and win a championship.
00:36:47
That's how I cash in my next check superstars, either or driven by their numbers, their stats or the rings.
00:36:53
If it's a legacy building and then agents are like, How did you see how I manipulated five different teams to get player A all the way across the coast to the L.
00:37:03
A Clippers? I mean, look at, like, take KCP like KCP.
00:37:08
You know, he's basically, like a total non asset.
00:37:14
A couple of years ago, we could even say a year ago like I don't The CCP was like Not, you know, not at all.
00:37:20
He was e don't know how many teams were chasing him.
00:37:23
Lakers give them a contract, They get ridiculed.
00:37:26
It's He now has a player option for like, $8 million.
00:37:29
There's a chance he's one of the few guys that turns that down because he had such an awesome three in D season.
00:37:35
He was great in the finals, had huge moments like, That's kind of you play on a great team, you're going to just be you're gonna be on TV and you're gonna have more people see you.
00:37:47
So that's you know, that's why agents will do this.
00:37:50
They'll try to bring together, you know, and put together these super teams because it really even if it's like you know, one of their clients, it's like more of a role player.
00:38:00
It helps them greatly toe have these guys on great teams and great players.
00:38:04
So maybe that does help.
00:38:06
Joe Harrison away is staying on the Nets, But I I just The feeling I got from this article was that it was a little bit.
00:38:13
We're in unprecedented time, maybe more than we realize.
00:38:17
And I think it's a lot of that is on the business side.
00:38:20
So that was my big take away.
00:38:21
And I'm very curious to see how that ends up, because I think a lot of our my ****ysis thus far has been sort of mawr under the lens of like, This is a normal market and I just don't know.
00:38:33
We'll see like we'll see you completely.
00:38:35
A footnote on the Joe Harris piece that I thought about was given his age.
00:38:39
There's an opportunity for him, as we always say, like listen saying Oh, what's the difference? 18 million, 20 million, like that's not.
00:38:46
That's not the mechanism, like 18 million of years, plenty for May, And it also doesn't change the fact that this is the N B. A.
00:38:51
And you know it's about what you can earn and when you can earn it.
00:38:53
Arguably, though at his age he could afford to afford to come back to the Nets on X deal at 18 year and 34 even five years from now, he can then still turn around and be able to dip back into those waters as a sharp shooting perimeter guy and cash in another check, whether it's with the Nets or somewhere else.
00:39:12
So there's still enough time.
00:39:17
And maybe that also impacts how he looks at the decision that he's gonna make in the short term relative to the Brooklyn Nets.
00:39:22
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00:39:28
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00:39:29
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00:39:30
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00:39:33
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00:39:36
There was one other thing and that you can you can like this hate it or just move past it if you want, before we get out the door.
00:39:42
There was a I think I think maybe it came from the bulls end of it, accomplishing a three team trade that involved the Nets as well, bringing in through a couple of different mechanisms here.
00:39:55
By the way, there's some details behind it.
00:39:57
Bulls get Caris, Levert, Aziz Well as the Warriors second overall pick and the Nets 19th overall pick.
00:40:04
Levin ends up in Brooklyn, and the Golden State Warriors grab 1/4 pick from the Bulls as well as Jared Allen.
00:40:14
I think that the big surface question for me is just the Zach Lavine piece to Brooklyn.
00:40:18
Does that really is that really move the needle, it all for you in that regard? And would you be excited cause I said Bulls are kind of my Loki team under Donovan now to at least take a nice little leap forward? Some young talent does that with those moving pieces.
00:40:30
Excite you at all? No, Levin.
00:40:34
Not even a little bit.
00:40:35
E would rather have Paris honestly, and I don't I And maybe not as attached to carry subvert is some people in the nets world of things are I actually, like I almost diminished e I'm a din witty guy.
00:40:50
I'm personally again, witty guy over cares.
00:40:53
Um, I just think all the numbers show that he's probably a little more favorable for a role where he's a supporting peace, because I think that's ultimately what you're going to get from either guy.
00:41:05
And I just had 67 million cheaper over the next couple of years again.
00:41:08
I mean, and he's a free agent next next summer, so you have to worry about that.
00:41:11
I think that's a big part of it.
00:41:12
But like again, like whatever.
00:41:14
I think that they they know that they're gonna be competing this this year and they should try to view things that way, like they should go for it this year.
00:41:24
There's no reason not to go for it this year.
00:41:26
Um, so So, yeah, so I think like, I I like the Drew holiday things.
00:41:33
Still, I'm not really going to get off it.
00:41:34
I know there's been an excessive drew holiday conversation.
00:41:37
Um, if you can figure out a way to do Jared Allen to Golden State brings back the second overall, and I don't know where you'd send caress in this regard.
00:41:49
So maybe conversations around, like maybe it would be Paris.
00:41:54
Would it be caress and, um, Jared Allen to Golden State for that pick and something else that you need an asset back.
00:42:02
And then you take that second overall.
00:42:04
No, no, no, it would be I didn't saw.
00:42:06
It would be Jared Allen to Golden State.
00:42:08
The second overall pick comes back because that's another weird gem found in that article.
00:42:12
Then you're going to take caress and the second overall pick and send that to New Orleans. Drew.
00:42:19
Holiday comes back that way because if New Orleans is like we want something other than Jared, I'll excuse me about something other than Caris Levert.
00:42:26
But we don't really want Jared Allen because we already have Jackson Hayes and, like, we kind of feel like they do similar things.
00:42:31
We also don't really need a center that can't stretch the floor.
00:42:34
We actually in that situation, we're getting a second overall pick.
00:42:38
We have the agency to do whatever we want.
00:42:42
We could pick James Wiseman or really anybody of that ilk.
00:42:46
We could pick Anthony Edwards, so I think, you know, maybe that fits their We could pick Lemelle oh ball and have the ball Brother Um who knows? They could do really whatever they want with that.
00:42:57
I think that's a lot more enticing for them.
00:43:01
And it also makes a lot of sense to send Jared Allen to go on because I think he'd be awesome there.
00:43:06
So they unlock so many things about Jared Allen that we didn't even know existed.
00:43:10
There's such a weird, short term, long term thing of like, long term.
00:43:14
I'd like to see Alan stay in Brooklyn because I think in the long term he's a very valuable piece.
00:43:19
And in the very immediate you're like, Yeah, and if it helps make some of these other things happen, like if the net result is getting holiday onto the nets, then I go Listen, there's there's no there's probably there's nobody.
00:43:30
There's nobody on the next rocket I go Well, I couldn't possibly give up this guy or this asked that, make that happen.
00:43:35
So you know, it's unfortunate mechanism of competing for championships, and that's just the reality of it.
00:43:39
So it was interesting to watch.
00:43:41
Is there anything else just in general around this at an article that they grab your attention before we flee the scene here? 18 01 You honest saying that what they're saying, but things can change.
00:43:51
You know all indications of that personality, right? That he's just not the kind of guy that's gonna bail out on that operation.
00:43:57
At some point along the way, I would like to see every, uh, Antetokounmpo brother just on the same team.
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You got three of them out there floating in the league.
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I think they should all just merge into the Milwaukee Bucks.
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I mean, that's their move.
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That's what the Bucks do this year.
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They just corner the brother market.
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I think that'd be good.
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The market on.
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I see.
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Then one of the other brothers step up as that key figure in the playoffs where Yanis just really shrinks like a violet from the spotlight.
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Uh, listen, there's gonna be plenty more to this to come, and hopefully it starts to some of these things start to really get some some true legs behind them so we can start to think about how these teams look with some of these new pieces on those rosters.
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RUMOR: Kawhi Leonard trade could be part of Clippers blowup

Los Angeles Clippers superstar Kawhi Leonard appears to be on his way out of the team in the coming offseason, with the front office looking to blow up the entire squad following what turned out to be a highly disappointing campaign. That is if you believe one out of the 20 unnamed sports agents that […]

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And with that this week back into SportsCastr Bob Marley. Brick.
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And that is Matt Brooks on a Thursday morning for you, sir.
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As we start to dive in on more then Victor Oladipo speculation around the MBA off season.
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There's a lot of fun stuff to dive into.
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I'm very excited.
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We're talking about this.
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This this article are reacting to is like worth a subscription in itself.
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So we're talking about an article today, and I think we're probably gonna maybe spend the entire time talking about it.
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Uh oh, you never know, but it's It's basically it.
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It's surveying 20 agents across the league about a variety of topics.
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You'll see the headline right here.
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Um, it's fantastic.
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Like it's a great read.
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I fell asleep with it on my lap.
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I'm gonna finish it once you get off.
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I have, like, a couple more paragraphs to go.
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It's awesome, and there's a lot to take away.
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It's given us a lot of things thio, new stories and new things to react to.
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So So I just told your thunder on the intro, but I had to give the athletic shadow things.
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This is awesome credit credit where it's due because sometimes it does take, you know, a now outside source from your own mind.
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If just speculating around things and then it just starts really clicking and firing your head.
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All the things that could go on.
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Let's, uh, the big headline here that I think we'll probably dance off of the initial topic pretty quickly and then start to spread The league is the Clippers.
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We know it's been, uh, interesting out there, and things didn't go the way they anticipated this past season.
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They move on from Doc Rivers.
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They start to make some changes within the organization as well.
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And now they're talking about the possibility of blowing up this roster almost down to the studs.
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I think we all assumed it's going to be that no matter what, even just from contracts alone and what you spent to bring in a guy like Paul George, you're gonna at least be building around those core, too.
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Any legs to the idea that the Clippers would look to, as this suggests, possibly move on from Kawhi Leonard.
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One year and one year in to the the reestablishing of the L.
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A Clippers, they go.
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You know what, though? We don't need one of the top five best players in the league.
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Let's get him out here.
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No, I don't.
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I mean, they just hired Tile Ooh for five years, which tells me they're trying to win for the next couple.
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And almost, I almost wonder if they're gonna offer Paul George an extension this summer because he is eligible.
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So if they offer him an extension, he accepts, that definitely tells me that they're building around that core.
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Andi, I think it would be silly not to do that because Paul George is really good.
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I get that were I get that he didn't have necessarily the greatest playoffs, but he has a really good player.
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I think you put a roster around him.
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That makes a little more sense.
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Bring in like an actual point guard and not like a two guard posing as a point guard and Lou Williams and then a catch and shoot guy in in Pat Beverley.
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Um, so you bring in a point guard that's going to get Paul George the ball a little bit.
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Maybe actually use him off ball because I just don't feel like they ever did that.
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And he's awesome off ball like he's, you know, he's very much willing toe curl around screens and do stuff like that.
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Like I just I don't know.
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I'd never liked the way they used him.
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Um, so I would say they're probably gonna keep those two intact.
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I think the biggest thing is just gonna be getting rid of Liu and hopefully not bringing back Montrezl Harrell because I think that would be silly.
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You keep zoo botch you bring back to Michael Green.
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That's your center rotation roll with that still kind of play small.
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I mean, if you wanted to, you could try to bring in, like, a and Aaron pains or whatever the centers that are always brought up.
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Serge Ibaka believe they're a taxpaying teams.
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So they're going to be at that 5 to 6 million, I believe.
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But yeah, I mean, I think the moves they're gonna make are gonna be really subtle.
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They're my They're my Chris Paul team, though.
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There myself, Chris Paul team.
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They feel like they don't have any picks to trade.
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So that's that's tough, But But that would be my my stealth Chris Paul team.
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Yeah, whatever.
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Whatever you're planning on doing there and you say, you know, co I p G.
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That seems like the natural understanding but blowing up.
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Listen like you could still kind of be blowing up a team that's around specific players that exist on that roster in your quote superstars.
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But saying like, yeah, everything else that we thought we were putting around them to have success we could almost will stop a lot of that away here if it means that we start to reconstruct the team in that way.
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And that's why expectations are, Maybe it is a Chris Paul.
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Maybe it's a veins, whatever it ends up being in those other pieces.
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But I think there are a lot of support roles there that they thought were going to be better complimentary pieces.
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And they really turned out to be this past year.
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So listen, I couId is not going anywhere.
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In my mind, Paul George isn't going anywhere in my mind so we could weaken.
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Move off of that and still gonna be interesting to see how the Clippers reconstruct themselves a little bit.
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Beyond that, though, there's a lot of other teams out there.
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They were talking that we're talking about in terms of moves to get made.
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How are they gonna either? Are they adding to reloading as the sports term usually goes, or are they kind of stripping down and rebuilding a little bit? One of the teams I know you want to get into the Cem Spurs guys currently over there.
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That maybe move and a nice tie in here would be to say out there in Toronto, were there wondering about Gasol is not gonna be back there on that team, how they replace that side.
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So for the names.
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And this is just a nice little crossover between former Toronto Raptors and the margin rose and as we know, but a couple of the hypothetical names that they threw out there for replacing Gasol and I want to see how these landed with you one is just a classic.
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I don't even know what this guy has left.
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He seems to be having injuries.
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DeMarcus Cousins I'll put out.
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Of course, Baines made the list.
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Aaron Veins, of course, had to make this list Paul Millsap and then even Mason Plumlee.
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So those last two names are guys that we think, at least from the last conversation we had, right, you know, run it back kind of scenario for that team.
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Currently, you almost assumed that they may be back there because they kind of like what they did this past season, and they want to maybe take one more pass it that out of those four names do any of them jump out of you is being nice? Fits.
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I kind of have the one that I lean to their its's weird.
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Um, I kind of like Mason Plumlee for them.
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Oh, dude, I was like, He's great.
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He's a great passer and, you know, he obviously doesn't.
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You can't do the five out offense that they were doing with him and the free throws Ahron issue.
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So all of that is not great, I would say, but I don't know, like I don't think they're going to get Aaron Baynes.
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I think Aaron Baynes is gonna go somewhere, you know.
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He's gonna be on a championship roster.
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I just There's too many teams that have the ability to sign him and are going to be chasing him.
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I mean, he might go to the Lakers for all we know.
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E, I was gonna say like course, you know they want him.
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So the Lakers want anybody.
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They go to the Lakers and who was the first one? The first one was DeMarcus cousins.
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DaMarcus is also might stay with the Lakers.
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I I actually and I almost feel more confident about that than anybody else going to the Lakers right now.
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I think that I really feel like he's going to stay for the minimum play with a D, because they're close and and and just try to, like, ride the LeBron train and hopefully bring back a little bit of his value.
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So that's another one that I'm kind of like.
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You bring in a starting center for the Lakers.
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Then you have boogie off the bench, which just seems like unfair.
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I don't know.
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So, yeah, Plumlee, I You know, you run like handoff action with him.
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You use them in the short role.
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He's gonna be finding O g N N o b in the corner.
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It's like I like that a lot, actually, that's why I always think like, Listen, there's a difference between starting high caliber players in the impact they have on your roster.
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But then there's There's a certain value in just knowing what a role player can look like for you and how it can complement what you currently have.
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Yeah, the name that jumped out.
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Like the risk reward of even, say, a boogie causes.
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If he's available Well, if you bring him in and then he gets injured at some point along the way.
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Or like he needs some touches, right? He needs his looks as opposed to saying like I like Plumley is just dude like, here's we want you to do And it was great.
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You know, there's no there's no comment like there.
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There's no there's no issue about shares and shots and all those kind of things.
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So high energy guy.
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I think that that fits into the mold of what Toronto needs in terms collection of their parts. That's interesting.
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The the footnote I'll say about the Lakers and boogie cousins.
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We talked about it, I think, last week when we were on together his back.
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He has an extra year on his deal there.
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But Dwight Howard doesn't.
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I think, is what we is.
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The conclusion we came to.
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So the idea of he's a player option, right? Right? Maybe he buys into it potentially e think he turns it down.
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I think he tries to test free agency.
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He has a little bit of that's every indication.
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Yeah, I think so.
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It's funny, like I've heard that the center market is great from some people.
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I don't really think that's true at all.
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Like there's a couple of good free agents.
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But it's like you have the Aaron Baynes and like the whatever the eye Baca's.
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And then after that, it's kind of like I mean, Tristan Thompson, which, like that's that's another good player.
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And then it's like a huge drop off.
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You go to like Plumlee and Meyers.
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Leonard and I'm like God is Dwight Howard.
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The fourth best in its class is the kind of thing he is.
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And that's such a team specific, right? Like when you mentioned a guy like even Tristan Thompson, you say, Well, depending on where he goes, yes, he could have tremendous value, but I'd be highly speculative.
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If it's not a championship caliber team, then you're saying, Well, yeah, I I know what Tristan Thompson gives you from Stat line perspective is not moving the needle for your team, so but I'm wrong.
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He is a He is an understood free agent.
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It's JaVale who's got the player option.
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I'm never gonna get the play s, so that's it.
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But that's how that's so to me.
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I think the Lakers would be inclined to when you have boogie cousins inclined to say Thanks so much.
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Dwight, Enjoy your ring.
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Enjoy the market.
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See what? Who's going to pay you? I think McGee probably pick it up exactly, so he's inclined to come back.
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So even though like the one for one there of taking away Dwight Howard and putting in Boogie Cousins two very different type of centers.
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But the impact that that could have for the Lakers offensively alone is a very dangerous thing of like Oh, you know, Boogie Cousins has a perimeter shot.
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So now all of a sudden, the way that they utilized by position when they didn't have a D in that role, or and even saying We use a D in the five roll sometimes and then we bring in Boogie Cousins and he continues to be able to serve that role there from that position that changes the dynamic of that team offensively and opens it up in a very dangerous way.
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If cousins looks anything like he did one healthy and you know what's nice about that is like for him, they could just park him in that drop coverage, and they could just have him hang out right near the basket.
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They're so good on the perimeter that he just has to stand there and protect the basket like he's not like an awesome rim protector.
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But you put him in that role in like he's just he's tall, he's big and he's going to take up a lot of space in there.
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So that's like, kind of like if there's ever going to be a team where it's like, Wow, boogies really surviving defensively, it's going to be next to Anthony Davis, who's like, I don't eat like a fighter jet, like, just like circling around and just providing secondary help.
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So I I Yeah, I mean, like, That's, like again like the perfect spot for him, where they I mean, And if it doesn't work, they just take him off.
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And if he's getting targeted and then you play Anthony Davis at center like that's the beauty of the Lakers there you just like no matter what you dio like.
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The Rockets did exactly what they needed to Dio.
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They made them take their centers off the floor and the Lakers adjusted to them, and then the Lakers were even better and and just look ruined that franchise.
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Nothing worse than being like Here's our adjustment.
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Let's see if you can handle it.
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And the counter is crap.
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They did something even better than yeah, like, Oh, God, we're losing a Markieff, Morris, like, Oh, this is This is tough S O, by the way, Thio, Because I want to get into that that Toronto tie and where we started, I will say to It's like depending on what that price tag looks like.
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Like a Mason Plumlee on the Lakers in a support role is like a really nice low key.
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Get for them in the market where you added into that potentially as well.
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Not that that's where I think they're going to go.
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But players like that on championship caliber teams really help move the needle.
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So over there in Toronto, where Van Fleet is set to hit the free agent market Ah, former Toronto Raptors, who spent some time in San Antonio and DEMAR DeRozan you were reading up about these guys and some of the potential making you go.
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Let me read this full quote because it's really interesting.
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I gotta find it.
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It's It's basically talking about.
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So one of the things that I think was really interesting about this article was and I It's funny, like this article kind of like like not to get too much outside of basketball.
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But it's like, Oh, yeah, we have, like, a pandemic going on.
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And agents and players don't really know financially what the next couple of years look like.
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So this was the stuff and like, we're not necessarily going to discuss this as much, but it's like they it's contracts may be different.
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They're kind of waiting.
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Everybody's waiting around for, like the cap to be announced and all these different factors.
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One of things I think was really interesting.
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And this was kind of for me, Maybe other than the Yanis news and this Clippers news was this thing about Toronto? So it said this and this was about teams.
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E think the question was about players that were most likely to move or leave their current teams, um, quotas de margin like San Antonio and doesn't want to be there.
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If those guys leave, they land with Dwayne Casey in Detroit.
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That relationship with the former coaches strong comes down to money for VanVleet, and the situation in Toronto is rough with the taxes Van Fleet is.
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Van Fleet on the Pistons elevates his status as the number 1 to 2 guy on the team, so a lot to unpack their first stop, DEMAR DeRozan, is being unhappy is, like kind of interesting in a lot of ways.
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Um, the thing that I took away and it's not even it doesn't have to do with any of the players named.
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It's this Toronto situation where it's I'm assuming their books are hurting like pretty much everybody.
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Except for I guess, like the Nets who go size network is like, gone up.
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Uh, your books are hurting.
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Jump. No, they're not.
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Yeah, like So you're fine.
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So? So Toronto is this team that is prepared, essentially toe have all this cap space in 2021 they now have a situation where I don't know if they're going through some financial turmoil.
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They were the only team that was brought up in this regard.
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I was expecting to see Houston's name like, you know, 20 times in this article, because Tilman Fertitta is businesses air all hurting. But it was Toronto.
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They got brought up, which I think is interesting.
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The other thing is just the Pistons.
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Getting some interesting players is like, I don't know, it's kind of it's kind of curious.
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So first real quick on the Toronto side of it.
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Do you think that that that year gap here, when they're planning for a year later in free agency? Because right now, at least loosely, they've been talking about the cap number coming down by potential 20 million versus where they thought it was gonna be.
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Do you think that that year gap if potentially Van Fleet goes and you don't know how you're replacing Gasol on, maybe Ibaka doesn't come back? Could that year gap effectively break this this franchise in terms of his competitive level? Because say that their ah, back end of the playoff kind of team in the East are they still gonna be an attractive spot as constituted? Maybe with a returning Lowry and a CIA Nuo be Are they still going to be looked at favorably? Ah, year removed from having that that couple year run of success? Yeah, I think they're gonna have the year that we expected them to have last year, But I don't know, Nurse might be just one of those guys that gets his teams, you know? I mean, we did this really the Spurs for years and years and years.
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Um, so you know, I mean, maybe that's the situation with them.
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You also to wonder, I kind of wonder what an and nobody's gonna look like next year.
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Yeah, I thought, Like what? Like if there was one take away you get from Toronto, it's like that guy actually might be.
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There's something with him.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if it's just a really, really good role player.
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Um, and and the ball handling is got to improve like immediately.
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But he's the guy that, like, I think that's the next era.
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That's what I'm looking at.
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I get CIA come in a lot of ways, but like he's really, really interesting to may, so that it also just in back of my mind, it makes me think maybe they almost find themselves in a position not unlike what they did with Kawhi Leonard off of looking at that market and saying, Who's the guy we bring in on a two year short term take another run at this thing and keep sustaining their success so that it will be interesting to watch in the background the and they could also do like a retool like they could try to do.
00:17:56
Like if they do, I mean again, kind of what the Spurs did, where they look for, like, try to get a draft pick in a class that's pretty good next year, either by they're not gonna fall out of the playoffs because they're too well coached and the East is awful.
00:18:10
But if you swing a trade like if you could get if you like, I guess the problem is that would be Lowry, that you're probably trading.
00:18:19
And I just don't know like he's been with that franchise so long, and he means so much to them that I almost feel like now we've hit a point where, especially after last year's playoff run, where they just had the ultimate you know, championship defense, like even he was such a big part of that that I do feel like he's almost kind of a franchise icon and they can't really traded, which is funny, like that's that we don't see that too much anymore.
00:18:46
Yeah, I wonder, like personally for him.
00:18:48
If he still has this in his mind off, I could go win another champion.
00:18:52
You know, I could win a couple championships if I go somewhere else, right? There's plenty of places around the league and say, Boy, if we had Larry a point guard for the next couple of years or if he steps back and says I want a championship And even beyond Kawhi Leonard, I'm still looked at as a very important component toe winning that championship.
00:19:08
Ah, very important piece toe what we've been able to do before and after him.
00:19:12
So it's okay if I play out the rest of my career here on a competitive team, by the way, in the East and just see how these other pieces develop around you.
00:19:19
So that does become very interesting and people to get moved.
00:19:22
Then you're really talking about a very big retooling, which be fun, fun to watch, at least from a Nick nurse coach team perspective.
00:19:29
But the the the DEMAR DeRozan piece of this obviously broke up what was very close friends in Lowry and DeRozan when they made that decision I know a lot of players have this experience.
00:19:43
Uh, you saw it with LaMarcus Aldridge There.
00:19:46
He seemed to not necessarily love what was happening on the Spurs and then shifted a little bit and seems like he's got more comfortable there.
00:19:54
But a lot of players, don't I? This is the margin.
00:19:57
Rosen wrong in not liking being in San Antonio.
00:20:01
Should he have more readily bought into the idea of one. This is where I am now.
00:20:06
Two on being coached by maybe the greatest coach in NBA history.
00:20:10
Maybe I should try to mold myself into this team, as opposed to maybe still looking at himself as a piece that you know, wants to be a bigger component to a team or wants to be a more valued member of a team.
00:20:23
You know, Spurs are a team first organization.
00:20:26
They're not a we surround our one iconic player with all this town.
00:20:31
I mean, they've done that, but it's also some of the parts.
00:20:34
It's the system.
00:20:35
It's how we want to run this thing.
00:20:36
Is there anything todo Marta Rosen's personal perspective that's hurting him there? I just don't know what he's buying into like that's fair to write.
00:20:46
Like the Spurs also aren't where they were in Tim Duncan era or where they were in Kawhi Leonard Air like they are very different team now than they have been over the past two decades.
00:20:56
Yeah, so So I and I just don't I mean, they It's funny because DeRozan and LaMarcus are like Pops built everything around that everything the way, the way that they play it kind of e mean, it's smart, like you wanna build around the skills of your stars.
00:21:13
So they're both guys that, like, Thio to play in the mid range, And that's how they've played.
00:21:19
Now it's that, you know? Yeah, it's kind of bothers.
00:21:25
DeRozan isn't like, Yeah, but that's who you are.
00:21:28
Like, Yeah.
00:21:29
I mean, you've done the best that we can do with who you are and who Aldrich's, right? Like, I never liked that fit.
00:21:35
I mean, when when that happened, I was like, I just don't like, yeah, they might be, You know, they might make a a top four seed.
00:21:44
Maybe, but I don't see this team going anywhere.
00:21:47
Like I I never felt like that was gonna move the needle like bringing in tow Rosen and pairing him with LaMarcus.
00:21:54
It just never seemed like five viable strategy years ago.
00:21:58
You'd be like a little bit of bug e.
00:22:01
I don't know.
00:22:02
So it's kind of tricky, but let's move off of San Antonio and talk about where the closing could go.
00:22:09
Well, let me just close with this.
00:22:10
Like I think the thing for them is like it's like winning kind of cures everything and like that again, like there was just a ceiling on that.
00:22:17
I think that's a side effect of that of him being like Okay, I don't wanna be here.
00:22:20
E gotta know this was going.
00:22:22
I notice that we're not doing so well.
00:22:24
I'd prefer not to be here and carry on, because what is he? 32? 30.
00:22:28
38 e.
00:22:30
I want to say he's 31 a little bit younger, but I mean, but you are also talking about a player like Aldrich who's a handful of years older.
00:22:37
I think it's a little bit different perspective in terms of where you are in your career.
00:22:40
DeRozan probably still looks at it right now and says, Hey, like I can still be.
00:22:44
You know, I can be competing somewhere else in terms of a deeper playoff run.
00:22:48
And when you talk about this speculation around Casey in Detroit, you say, Hey, get back over to the Eastern Conference, where things were a little bit more open and I could be, Ah, midlevel midlevel seed in the playoffs.
00:23:00
Do you like the idea around the speculation of Van Fleet and DeRozan to Detroit, where, as you were talking before we got on here? You have a player in Blake Griffin that maybe become maybe reclamation himself in some form or fashion? I think Griffin gets traded.
00:23:18
It's my that I've actually been really interested in that, that that has been kind of because I'm curious about where he goes.
00:23:25
I've seen him like two Golden State.
00:23:27
I've seen that a little bit, which I think is like, totally weird, but I'm I'm kind of into it a little bit.
00:23:33
I think it's like a they need us that I need another score very quietly.
00:23:38
I think they really dio they've just kind of their weapons air.
00:23:41
Steph and Clay, who? That's awesome.
00:23:44
But Clay doesn't really create for himself.
00:23:46
Like I actually really do think they have room for a Blake Griffin.
00:23:49
Now, that's a big risk to take.
00:23:51
But, I mean, look, if it gets the Wiggins contract off and like, you're just like, hey, we're not And, um, yeah, I don't know.
00:24:01
It's got serious kind of interesting.
00:24:03
So and that was some of the pressure on Draymond Green.
00:24:07
Very different type of game.
00:24:08
But offensively, you just say, Hey, Blake Griffin and, well, you're gonna talk about rights, the surgery And what that like that he's getting healthier, arguably as healthy a lot of the last, whatever the bottom black side of it that could actually alleviate some expectations around what certain players would need to do for Golden State, for them to be successful.
00:24:27
I just think it would be fun.
00:24:29
Like, I just think that would be really fun.
00:24:31
I think, like Blakes, a guy that like you, Yeah, like depending on what it kind of gives you a little bit of leeway.
00:24:38
If if Draymond has really declined offensively, like to the point where it's like if you get the ball and you're on the perimeter, where either going to, we're just kind of going to guard you in a way where we know you're not gonna shoot it.
00:24:51
Because I think since even Steph and Clay got injured, like his jump shot has fallen off even further.
00:24:58
Now Blakes a nice asset for them because he kind of he can shoot it like he really can.
00:25:03
He can shoot threes.
00:25:04
Now he can.
00:25:05
She's been able to shoot the mid range for what feels like a decade almost now.
00:25:09
So So, if you have that and you're pairing that with Stefan Clay steps so willing toe playoff ball and and curl on screens just like Clay is, um I don't know, it's kind of interesting.
00:25:22
I like it. I think they could be awesome.
00:25:24
So now let's say that no matter where he ends up, if Blake Griffin is leaving Detroit and you're talking about DeRozan possibly talking about Van Fleet, possibly what else that does that does that excite you in Detroit? Does that make them interesting to you? And what else would they be looking to add to then really get them to a place because you still got to replace Blake Griffin in some form or fashion, and then you're also talking about the Derrick Rose peace and he's getting thrown out.
00:25:48
There is, um, some speculation as well.
00:25:49
Like, what does that roster end up looking like with DEMAR DeRozan van Fleet.
00:25:54
And then I know they gave out the big well.
00:25:56
The expectations are a big contract for the youngster there who's coming off his big years.
00:26:01
Well, the center I'm gonna lose his name here first.
00:26:03
Christian would Christian would who e don't know if he's staying.
00:26:08
I kind of figured that he was gonna they were gonna keep him, But I don't know.
00:26:12
I have no idea what their situation is.
00:26:15
I don't think I do believe there one of the cap space teams, but, um, yeah, no, it's tricky.
00:26:22
I I have I have really, truthfully, no idea why bringing into Rosen is weird to me.
00:26:29
I like vanvleet for them.
00:26:30
Actually a lot.
00:26:31
I don't think he's like such a needle mover that you're gonna have him in a spot where you kind of creep into the 78 seed.
00:26:39
I don't think he's that good, but he is young enough.
00:26:43
And if you if you hit like a couple of you know, you get a couple of triples in the draft, Uh, for a couple of years and you build something you kind of can use him is one of your older veterans.
00:26:55
That's he's a nice player because we haven't really seen him as an on ball creator.
00:27:02
We've definitely seen him off the ball, and we know he's great in that role.
00:27:05
So I I like that part of it.
00:27:08
The DeRozan part doesn't make sense to me.
00:27:10
I mean, maybe the ideas that you bring to Rosen in.
00:27:13
He's almost like your point guard in a lot of ways.
00:27:17
And you do put Van Fleet in that off ball roll because I think that is a little bit better student to him.
00:27:23
He's just kind of smaller, and I felt like shot creation was not necessarily a strength in this year's playoffs.
00:27:30
I mean, you even start against the Nets like he's got.
00:27:32
He was getting his shot blocked against the Nets.
00:27:34
No, like boy, it's like there's like, one good player on the floor, like you probably don't wanna have this version of the neck.
00:27:42
Yeah, like, why is Dante Hall locking this guy that today and we're gonna I can't believe that I I still have in my brain.
00:27:50
Um, but no, Like s o.
00:27:53
I don't know.
00:27:54
So I I think that part is really weird for May the eso also look up the practical they practical cap space, which is just kind of gives you a better sense about because you could say what the actual cap spaces and excuse even deeper into the negative, depending on what teams you're talking about.
00:28:08
And I was just curious about where I want to.
00:28:11
I pull up those Detroit 32 e.
00:28:14
I just looked it up.
00:28:15
I have this tadpole.
00:28:16
Yeah, I got a bunch of these.
00:28:17
I've got a practical cap space number of 37 million over here s so maybe they can shed a little bit.
00:28:23
I wonder if that's if they let a couple points eso but even still, And by the way, that number, at least on on this perp, you know, sports track is talking about them being the third highest practical cap space behind only the Knicks in the Atlanta Hawks.
00:28:35
So when you talk about being able to make some of these moves, but I guess again, to your point It's like if I had that type of cap space and I was looking to do something, DeRozan wouldn't be the first or even the 15th name that I would get excited about in that way.
00:28:52
That's that would be my move.
00:28:54
I think Christian would is so interesting.
00:28:59
Like, if you go back, this is that This is my Loki, not Thio course.
00:29:02
Bring it always back to the Nets.
00:29:03
But this was my like, If there's a world where you talk about shedding people and I like guys that I like in din witty and lover and even Jared Allen I looked and I said, Man, if you could accomplish getting him onto the Nets if he became, it was available to do so almost.
00:29:19
Yeah, yeah, he's such an exciting piece and can affect multiple positions.
00:29:24
Gives you size, gives you like like I am not even from the Nets perspective.
00:29:29
I'm gonna feel so disappointed if he stays with Detroit, because what I think it means is like, Hey, you're gonna watch this guy have great numbers in great stats on a team that is, it is gonna be relatively irrelevant in the n b. A landscape.
00:29:41
Yeah, I think.
00:29:43
But I also want to give them credit because the Nets had the opportunity like they were working him out.
00:29:51
They were looking at him really hard to kick this year off and they blew it.
00:29:58
The Bucks had him.
00:29:59
The Bucks cut him.
00:30:01
Actually, last year's playoffs, they cut him, Um, the pelicans at him.
00:30:06
So all these teams that like, man, like you put this guy with Zion that's like That's exactly what he needs a stretch spinner.
00:30:14
That's literally exactly what he needs.
00:30:17
And a guy that's also, by the way, at fantastic athlete.
00:30:20
So if you keep him with Zion and you have Lonzo but like that team is suddenly one of the three best transition teams in the league S O.
00:30:31
So I don't know.
00:30:32
It's like kind of credit to the Pistons for for finding this guy and giving him a chance and not being scared away by some of the off court things, because I think that was the big thing with him.
00:30:43
He's awesome because he's this, like, perfect center.
00:30:46
He's a center insanely athletic.
00:30:49
I I'm so high on him like I I look at him, is like a potential multi time All Star.
00:30:55
I I really think he's that good.
00:30:56
He's got that much talent, the defense.
00:30:59
He'll figure it out.
00:31:00
I just I don't know.
00:31:01
I think they hit the home run.
00:31:03
I actually kind of hope he stays.
00:31:05
So let's ask them the question, because I just talked with Doug about this on W g N yesterday around the idea of So we know we have these cap restriction numbers now for Detroit.
00:31:15
They're in a great spot of being able to do what they need to do internally first, but to take a look at those at the Nets briefly, everyone's assumed Joseph size come out and said it.
00:31:25
Sean, Mark, says Joe Harris.
00:31:27
Is this automatic priority for us? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:31:30
However, there's always a threshold somewhere.
00:31:34
There's a number that exists that any team, when it comes to bringing back a piece and not a superstar goes well.
00:31:40
Yeah, just from a practical standpoint, we can't pay X out.
00:31:43
Is there that threshold where and you could say for even for Christian would as much room as Detroit has, where if some other teams that we're gonna throw this at you.
00:31:51
They can always match it and they go, Oh, boy, that's a bigger number than we want to commit.
00:31:54
Likewise for Joe Harris.
00:31:55
If we say we're living and they let's say 15 to $18 million range a year, right, that's where the Nets like.
00:32:01
I don't worry about We're going over that. We're going over the luxury.
00:32:03
Doesn't matter if a team goes, here's 22.
00:32:06
I think that's the number.
00:32:07
And that's like e mean, Jesus.
00:32:10
Even for Joe, we love Joe Harris.
00:32:12
But even then, that's still a pretty hefty price to pay to keep this guy there.
00:32:16
And the tying for me is so Christian would Detroit takes the chance.
00:32:20
I'm given the opportunity.
00:32:21
It's not unlike Joe Harris, right? He's off the scrapheap from Cleveland being buried on the bench somewhere.
00:32:26
We know that there's a fondness for Brooklyn, and also 45 months more million dollars a year can change your perspective on where your loyalties lie.
00:32:34
Yeah, I think that's the number.
00:32:36
The good thing for the Nets is that, like Onley on Lee, a couple teams can can really offer that.
00:32:43
So it's it's like it would be a Detroit who? I mean, I don't know.
00:32:48
I really think he's coming back.
00:32:50
Christian would.
00:32:51
So then it becomes like, Would Atlanta do that? Atlanta feels like Atlanta feels like a team that would do that.
00:32:57
That would be the team that, like, If I'm the Nets, I'm sitting there like that.
00:33:02
The Hawks are going to They're going to try to throw crazy money at a couple of guys because they really want to make the playoffs.
00:33:10
If they don't get those guys or Joe Harris may even be in that first group of guys that they're throwing crazy money at.
00:33:18
I would be terrified of them.
00:33:19
They have $51 million.
00:33:22
They could throw 20 million and then go through another 20 million it somebody else.
00:33:27
Because there this this is for years.
00:33:29
This is the year they can get like a couple of really solid players.
00:33:33
Put them next to Trey.
00:33:35
Put them next to John Collins.
00:33:36
If they don't want to keep John Collins trade John Collins, they're scary.
00:33:41
That's the one team I would be worried about.
00:33:44
Do you think that Joe Harris again in that in that Hey, there's more money out there.
00:33:47
Do you think that Joe Harris at all is, or any of these players and Christian would write? Are they taking into account this idea of, like, right? But even me on the Like Me on the Brooklyn Nets with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant, this is money plus championship opportunities, even on the Atlanta Hawks.
00:34:04
Great, thanks so much for the big paycheck, even with, like, you're still gonna be, at best, a back end playoff team.
00:34:10
That's losing pretty early.
00:34:12
If you make it, I would say if we weren't in like again with this article.
00:34:17
There's so much stuff about the the financial side of things and how much like one of the things I thought was really interesting in that article was that every single guy with an option, the and this is the multiple agents said this. They work.
00:34:35
And again, you remember what the agents agents secretly very, very secretly.
00:34:39
They're pulling all the strings of the league.
00:34:41
It's a story that we don't talk about very much and just a general trend, but it's it's, you know, they're pairing the guys.
00:34:48
They're they're they're bringing teams together.
00:34:51
They're talking with each other You know, they're saying like there's a rumor going around when Paul, George, um, you know, stayed in O. K. C.
00:34:59
Didn't come to the Lakers.
00:35:00
It was because he was a CIA.
00:35:02
Got the Lakers air, obviously a clutch to you, those Air competitive.
00:35:07
I don't know if that's true or not.
00:35:09
I don't It's a conspiracy theory.
00:35:12
It's one of the few conspiracy theories in the n B A that I really buy.
00:35:15
So you have.
00:35:17
You have this like you have an entire landscape where guys, they're like, very open and just taking every single option they have.
00:35:23
You have a team like the Hawks or I'm looking.
00:35:26
Now you have.
00:35:27
It seemed like the New York Knicks, who have $46 million available $46 million.
00:35:34
They had a key.
00:35:35
That's a lot, but that's a great example.
00:35:39
Like, is Joe Harris gonna take a ton of money from the New York Knicks? Like I like e.
00:35:45
I mean, it's That's no Yeah, you could say that.
00:35:48
They bring in Victor Oladipo and then they have Joe Harris.
00:35:51
And then this thing starts to look a lot different with R.
00:35:53
J.
00:35:54
Barrett and they least look, they instantly get interesting and exciting and competitive to a certain degree.
00:35:59
Yeah, and that's such a terrifying what to touch on your agent thing is just like, is there Ah, mansion Somewhere where all these agents get together and they're not talking about, like wins and losses and MBA teams that are greater bad? All they're doing is being like Boy, remember that time when I pulled together Player X and player? Why and I I worked the streams and got them together out there on this team, like I feel like to your point of agents pulling the strings behind the scenes.
00:36:26
There's also this, like they're not locked into the n b A.
00:36:29
They're just locked into what they're able to accomplish from bringing together these personalities like it's such a weird hierarchy, right of of, of how the embassy sports in general, how it's constructed and what the barometer of success is.
00:36:43
You know GMs well, we wanna put together successful team and win a championship.
00:36:47
That's how I cash in my next check superstars, either or driven by their numbers, their stats or the rings.
00:36:53
If it's a legacy building and then agents are like, How did you see how I manipulated five different teams to get player A all the way across the coast to the L.
00:37:03
A Clippers? I mean, look at, like, take KCP like KCP.
00:37:08
You know, he's basically, like a total non asset.
00:37:14
A couple of years ago, we could even say a year ago like I don't The CCP was like Not, you know, not at all.
00:37:20
He was e don't know how many teams were chasing him.
00:37:23
Lakers give them a contract, They get ridiculed.
00:37:26
It's He now has a player option for like, $8 million.
00:37:29
There's a chance he's one of the few guys that turns that down because he had such an awesome three in D season.
00:37:35
He was great in the finals, had huge moments like, That's kind of you play on a great team, you're going to just be you're gonna be on TV and you're gonna have more people see you.
00:37:47
So that's you know, that's why agents will do this.
00:37:50
They'll try to bring together, you know, and put together these super teams because it really even if it's like you know, one of their clients, it's like more of a role player.
00:38:00
It helps them greatly toe have these guys on great teams and great players.
00:38:04
So maybe that does help.
00:38:06
Joe Harrison away is staying on the Nets, But I I just The feeling I got from this article was that it was a little bit.
00:38:13
We're in unprecedented time, maybe more than we realize.
00:38:17
And I think it's a lot of that is on the business side.
00:38:20
So that was my big take away.
00:38:21
And I'm very curious to see how that ends up, because I think a lot of our my ****ysis thus far has been sort of mawr under the lens of like, This is a normal market and I just don't know.
00:38:33
We'll see like we'll see you completely.
00:38:35
A footnote on the Joe Harris piece that I thought about was given his age.
00:38:39
There's an opportunity for him, as we always say, like listen saying Oh, what's the difference? 18 million, 20 million, like that's not.
00:38:46
That's not the mechanism, like 18 million of years, plenty for May, And it also doesn't change the fact that this is the N B. A.
00:38:51
And you know it's about what you can earn and when you can earn it.
00:38:53
Arguably, though at his age he could afford to afford to come back to the Nets on X deal at 18 year and 34 even five years from now, he can then still turn around and be able to dip back into those waters as a sharp shooting perimeter guy and cash in another check, whether it's with the Nets or somewhere else.
00:39:12
So there's still enough time.
00:39:17
And maybe that also impacts how he looks at the decision that he's gonna make in the short term relative to the Brooklyn Nets.
00:39:22
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00:39:28
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00:39:29
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00:39:33
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00:39:36
There was one other thing and that you can you can like this hate it or just move past it if you want, before we get out the door.
00:39:42
There was a I think I think maybe it came from the bulls end of it, accomplishing a three team trade that involved the Nets as well, bringing in through a couple of different mechanisms here.
00:39:55
By the way, there's some details behind it.
00:39:57
Bulls get Caris, Levert, Aziz Well as the Warriors second overall pick and the Nets 19th overall pick.
00:40:04
Levin ends up in Brooklyn, and the Golden State Warriors grab 1/4 pick from the Bulls as well as Jared Allen.
00:40:14
I think that the big surface question for me is just the Zach Lavine piece to Brooklyn.
00:40:18
Does that really is that really move the needle, it all for you in that regard? And would you be excited cause I said Bulls are kind of my Loki team under Donovan now to at least take a nice little leap forward? Some young talent does that with those moving pieces.
00:40:30
Excite you at all? No, Levin.
00:40:34
Not even a little bit.
00:40:35
E would rather have Paris honestly, and I don't I And maybe not as attached to carry subvert is some people in the nets world of things are I actually, like I almost diminished e I'm a din witty guy.
00:40:50
I'm personally again, witty guy over cares.
00:40:53
Um, I just think all the numbers show that he's probably a little more favorable for a role where he's a supporting peace, because I think that's ultimately what you're going to get from either guy.
00:41:05
And I just had 67 million cheaper over the next couple of years again.
00:41:08
I mean, and he's a free agent next next summer, so you have to worry about that.
00:41:11
I think that's a big part of it.
00:41:12
But like again, like whatever.
00:41:14
I think that they they know that they're gonna be competing this this year and they should try to view things that way, like they should go for it this year.
00:41:24
There's no reason not to go for it this year.
00:41:26
Um, so So, yeah, so I think like, I I like the Drew holiday things.
00:41:33
Still, I'm not really going to get off it.
00:41:34
I know there's been an excessive drew holiday conversation.
00:41:37
Um, if you can figure out a way to do Jared Allen to Golden State brings back the second overall, and I don't know where you'd send caress in this regard.
00:41:49
So maybe conversations around, like maybe it would be Paris.
00:41:54
Would it be caress and, um, Jared Allen to Golden State for that pick and something else that you need an asset back.
00:42:02
And then you take that second overall.
00:42:04
No, no, no, it would be I didn't saw.
00:42:06
It would be Jared Allen to Golden State.
00:42:08
The second overall pick comes back because that's another weird gem found in that article.
00:42:12
Then you're going to take caress and the second overall pick and send that to New Orleans. Drew.
00:42:19
Holiday comes back that way because if New Orleans is like we want something other than Jared, I'll excuse me about something other than Caris Levert.
00:42:26
But we don't really want Jared Allen because we already have Jackson Hayes and, like, we kind of feel like they do similar things.
00:42:31
We also don't really need a center that can't stretch the floor.
00:42:34
We actually in that situation, we're getting a second overall pick.
00:42:38
We have the agency to do whatever we want.
00:42:42
We could pick James Wiseman or really anybody of that ilk.
00:42:46
We could pick Anthony Edwards, so I think, you know, maybe that fits their We could pick Lemelle oh ball and have the ball Brother Um who knows? They could do really whatever they want with that.
00:42:57
I think that's a lot more enticing for them.
00:43:01
And it also makes a lot of sense to send Jared Allen to go on because I think he'd be awesome there.
00:43:06
So they unlock so many things about Jared Allen that we didn't even know existed.
00:43:10
There's such a weird, short term, long term thing of like, long term.
00:43:14
I'd like to see Alan stay in Brooklyn because I think in the long term he's a very valuable piece.
00:43:19
And in the very immediate you're like, Yeah, and if it helps make some of these other things happen, like if the net result is getting holiday onto the nets, then I go Listen, there's there's no there's probably there's nobody.
00:43:30
There's nobody on the next rocket I go Well, I couldn't possibly give up this guy or this asked that, make that happen.
00:43:35
So you know, it's unfortunate mechanism of competing for championships, and that's just the reality of it.
00:43:39
So it was interesting to watch.
00:43:41
Is there anything else just in general around this at an article that they grab your attention before we flee the scene here? 18 01 You honest saying that what they're saying, but things can change.
00:43:51
You know all indications of that personality, right? That he's just not the kind of guy that's gonna bail out on that operation.
00:43:57
At some point along the way, I would like to see every, uh, Antetokounmpo brother just on the same team.
00:44:03
You got three of them out there floating in the league.
00:44:05
I think they should all just merge into the Milwaukee Bucks.
00:44:08
I mean, that's their move.
00:44:09
That's what the Bucks do this year.
00:44:10
They just corner the brother market.
00:44:13
I think that'd be good.
00:44:14
The market on.
00:44:15
I see.
00:44:16
Then one of the other brothers step up as that key figure in the playoffs where Yanis just really shrinks like a violet from the spotlight.
00:44:21
Uh, listen, there's gonna be plenty more to this to come, and hopefully it starts to some of these things start to really get some some true legs behind them so we can start to think about how these teams look with some of these new pieces on those rosters.
00:44:34
In the meantime, what does Matt Brooks en ba have coming up on the SportsCastr landscape or just in general in life? Are you going to the market.
00:44:43
Are you getting some fresh fruit today? Um, I am Why? I'm going to go to the grocery store later.
00:44:49
So I yeah, on today is a big editing day, which is, like, never, never all that fun.
00:44:55
I'm editing a big YouTube video, which is cool.
00:44:58
I'm just starting that, um, doing so you can find that I believe my YouTube channels Matt Brooks N b A. Like literally everything.
00:45:05
I dio eso Yeah, I'll be posting that sooner than later.
00:45:10
That will be on free agent targets for the Nets doing a little bit of nets content because I haven't done too much of that.
00:45:17
And then Friday, which is I guess tomorrow at 6 p.m.
00:45:21
Eastern standard time.
00:45:22
I'm talking Cavaliers.
00:45:23
That's right.
00:45:24
I'm talking the Cleveland Cavaliers.
00:45:27
Eso Yes. So I have.
00:45:29
I have some interested.
00:45:30
They've been kind of like quietly.
00:45:33
I know there's been some news about them, some drum and stuff.
00:45:35
I'm curious about Thompson if he's going to stay because that's a big domino.
00:45:38
So doing that with a Cavaliers blogger.
00:45:42
I'm excited for that.
00:45:43
It'll be a team I don't think about too often, so eso that'll be fun to do a little bit of research in that and just kind of get a feel for that roster.
00:45:51
And actually, honestly, just get a feel for some of the players on that team because I just I haven't watched them all that much, so it will be good.
00:45:57
I like those shows where I don't I don't really know what the team is like, where I'm literally learning what that team.
00:46:04
So it's the perfect time of year for it.
00:46:07
Last but not least, the We'll get you out of the door on Matt Brooks.
00:46:09
I p.
00:46:10
L is.
00:46:11
Everybody knows Indian Premier League.
00:46:13
That's in the cricket market.
00:46:14
Are you high on the night riders over the Capitals right now? Because the odds are a little bit interesting there.
00:46:19
But I know you're getting your Matt Brooks.
00:46:21
I pl off the ground and it takes there before we Uh huh.
00:46:25
I'm a big I'm a big Hasselhoff fan.
00:46:31
So any time that I see a tie in tonight Rider and Kip, I automatically go in that direction.
00:46:35
So you heard it. Here.
00:46:37
Here first.
00:46:38
Listen between the map Brooks tennis, the I p l the guy just has so many tentacles out there in the sporting world.
00:46:42
Be sure to check all of it out.
00:46:44
We'll be back here, of course, Matt Brooks and myself on Tuesdays and Thursdays doing the MBA MBA side of things.
00:46:49
Excuse me and then just search at Matt Brooks.
00:46:52
Use hashtag s CNN Bahir on SportsCastr to get all the great content that me and Matt and Keith McPherson and see me and Russell and everyone else is doing so until the next time.
00:47:02
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