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over everything pertaining to you.
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You have to see to 54 which takes place on Saturday.
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Don't forget, goes and I are hosting a watch along.
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Watch the fights along with US 10 a.
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m. Pacific 1 p.m.
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Eastern.
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That's right.
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It's an early edition of the UFC pay per view because they're going live out there in Abu Dhabi primarily to appease the Russian crowd as a Bebe Narmada Madoff is gonna be trying to unify the titles.
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He's the undisputed champion will be taken on the interim champion. Justin G.
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We're gonna go over a lot of news nuggets as well, and we got a superstar who's going to start to show off with us.
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It's Cory San Hagen, who's coming off a huge win over Marlon Mariah's a couple weeks ago.
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So buckle up, Junkie Nation.
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Here we go.
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Alright, I often say, Man, you know what if I was as badass as examine made fighters who out go out there and perform in front of millions on television? Thousands in attendance prep endemic.
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If I did interviews, I'd be wearing these robes, Ala Ric Flair and a Jacuzzi with *****es.
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But it's those guys that are quiet and reserved and calm.
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Those of the rial Gangsters Look at Cory standing just chilling out there, just waiting for his turn to be stumbling upon because he already knows he's a gangster.
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What's up, Cory? How're you doing? Hey, I'm getting And how are you? Good.
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I've always liked your style, man.
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You always promote your team, your your hometown, the kids that you do work with and then sure.
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Yeah, let's get around to the fighting, you know? Yeah, I just don't have a No.
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Seriously, it's been fun watching you progress through.
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LF a and in less than three years, you're already at the top of the heat of the bantamweight division.
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You just took out more than my congrats.
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Yeah, Thanks, man.
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I mean, it's been a really quick journey.
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Uh, yeah.
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I mean, it's been fun, man.
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I'm I'm really grateful.
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And I feel really blessed Thio to be where I am right now.
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Yeah, And you know, one of the themes as of late has been How do you bounce back from a loss? And what does that say about you? You know, Kobe Covington? He thought tomorrow is my I'm pretty tough.
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You want a couple of rounds? And then he lost, uh, in the end and around five.
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But then he comes back, and he had a really, really nice wind statement and same thing, you know, you had a setback versus Al Joe, and you came back against another tough opponent.
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Boom statement win.
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Did that wind feel almost better than the all the other ones combined? In a way, I mean, because you have to dig deep career wise.
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Yeah, It felt good, man. I knew that.
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I knew that. It was a big one.
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I knew it was either one where I was gonna win and look good in, or I was gonna You know, I was gonna probably just get thrown aside for a while, you know? And I definitely didn't want to get thrown aside.
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I wanted to still be in this title talk, and that's what I'm doing here.
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I'm trying to win a championship, and, um yeah, man, I It was tough.
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I had to be really honest with myself as to why I lost that first one.
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And I had to do a lot of ah lot of work on me.
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and, uh, and I did put in all of that work, and it showed up When? When I when I fought more ice.
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And, uh ah, Fight is fights are crazy.
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And Aziz, much control as you think you have of them.
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Sometimes you don't have as much control as you think.
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And, uh, definitely, you know, grateful that I was able to win because there is a level of you're not really being in control when you're in a fight.
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So, uh, I'm just grateful, man, that I was able to do so well.
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Was that soul searching all you or did you have to lean upon either family, teammates or coaches to really, really just give you an honest assessment of that fight? Um, it was pretty introspective is pretty, uh, myself.
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You know, like, I would I would say that one of the things was just not being in a good headspace before I went and fought.
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Sterling, um, which, you know, I I kind of don't even really like bringing up because it sounds like I'm making an excuse, but I wasn't a good enough fighter at that moment. Thio.
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No, um, enough about myself and and to know that I I needed thio to be different that night.
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And, um, it was a lot of kind of looking into that and being like, Well, how do I fix that issue? And then when I figured out how to fix that issue, it was, you know, I just practiced that over and over and over again, getting in an intense headspace.
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Uh, learning and talking to a lot of the other guys on the team was helpful.
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You know, like I mean, if we're gonna talk being in an intense headspace, I think G is a really good example.
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And his fight is in a couple of days, And, uh, just listening to that I talk.
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I was like, Oh, that's that's where some people go in their heads where they wanna like you know, that they talk about seeing these this person's blood and they wanna, you know, they want to create car crashes and all of that I had never really seen the game like that, and, uh, just kind of like listening to him and and and some of the other guys on the team, it was helpful to kind of get me uh, Thio understand that.
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Like what we're doing is not really a game.
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It's not really a sport.
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We're going out there, and we're really trying toe cause, like, very serious injuries to each other.
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And, uh and and that was a nice little reminder.
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You know, getting choked out was a nice reminder of like, Hey, man, like we're not just out here, you know, making cool martial arts, like, you know, like we're actually out here fighting each other.
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And it was important for me, Thio, remember that? Yeah, that gauging man when he talks, we all pay attention because e think you guys are more like NASCAR car crashes than just regular car crashes.
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I wouldn't even like a fender bender, much less car crash of any kind, But yeah, your guy's car crashes.
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I think we take it for granted.
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We watch you guys eyes and the leg kick and a list of the not.
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But we all forget about those times where you're just kind of walking, you know, like in high school.
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And someone just sucks you in the shoulder are tackle football on Thanksgiving.
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You know, you're like, Oh, my hit by this by that.
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You guys literally, you know, hammer each other for 15 minutes.
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I can't imagine just how toughen condition your bodies and your minds are to get to peel yourself off the canvas and then come back and be it at the next practice on Monday.
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Yeah, it's no joke, man.
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Uh, it's tough.
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Um, you got to kind of be a little bit of a weirdo to enjoy it, but it's, you know, it's It's my life's work, you know? It's It's my passion.
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And I love it.
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Were you were doing high school or were you one of the cool cat? No.
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I mean, I tried to be as cool as I could.
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You know, I played basketball in high school, actually.
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Eso uh, you know, I don't know.
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I tried really hard to be cool back.
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Back in the day.
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You got some perfect their ex moves or what was your position? Uh, what was his name? Professor X. I think it was the Professor.
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The professor.
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You're talking about the white dude on n one? Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, he was actually one of my favorite basketball players, though, but yeah, that's what I tried to play.
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Like, you know, I was pretty decent basketball too. I wasn't terrible.
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I could play.
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You have a nickname? White chocolate.
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What were you I forget what they called me.
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Uh, now, White chocolate definitely came up a couple of times, but I don't think that that was like the standard one, but yeah, definitely not called Chuck.
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Remember Jason Williams? He was white chocolate, but e Alright, cool.
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Did you play any other sports? By the way? We're just basketball.
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E played soccer when I was a kid.
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And then, uh, basketball.
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I wanted to wrestle, actually in high school, but my mom wouldn't let me because she didn't like the idea of me wrestling around with guys in a single it.
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So, uh, eso wrestling was off the table.
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But now, I mean, just basketball.
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And then I actually started doing everything when I was in high school to a zoo Faras like m m a.
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I signed up at night Mark parts June.
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So, uh, I mean, I was kickboxing and doing jiu jitsu.
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Uh, and a little bit of wrestling when I was in high school. Still.
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So you're 29.
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You've already had the 10 year reunion.
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Did you go to the 10 year reading it, by the way, I'm 28.
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So our 10 year reunion was supposed to be this year, but it got canceled because of all the Corona stuff.
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Okay, Yeah, I'm just wondering what When you go back, I guess to the 15 or the delayed 10 you think people will go? Yeah, I knew you were headed for this type of a career.
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Or will they be, like, shocked that you couldn't come out to be a doctor or a lawyer? An engineer? E think that they probably they probably be shocked.
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I don't plan on going on, Lee because I think that the sport is so new and and you either get it or you don't.
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Because actually, man, I'll get messages from people that I used to know in high school, asking if I need sparring partners for my next fight.
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And I'm like, Are you really that ignorant of, like, what is happening like, Are you really that stupid where you think that like you can help out in my foreign sessions? Just because we knew each other in high school and used Thio used to get in fights in high school.
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Uh, so no, Definitely not gonna be attending that.
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So I don't have to have that conversation a million times.
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Well, all right.
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I humbly reconsider.
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I I didn't go to my 5, 10 15 20 or 25.
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I went to my 30th, and I actually had a beast in time.
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You always think because I was a weirdo and I always think like, Well, you know what they're gonna be like.
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And sure, it was a little It was still a little cliquey and a little this little that, but actually, some people took a little interest in in my career is being part of them in the media.
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I can only imagine.
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I think I think for the most part, once you sift through those three or four numbnuts that that you know, they they want to train.
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You'll actually see a lot of people are probably proud of you for representing the school and all that.
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Yeah, sure you might.
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Yeah, you're You're definitely right about that too.
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Actually, man, like I mean, I'm from Colorado.
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I still live in Colorado, So a lot of my really close friends that I had my entire life.
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I'm still really close friends with now.
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So, uh, but yeah.
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I mean, it might be nice to catch up with some some people from the past, you know, because they're not trying to fight me.
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You didn't think it was weird that George had a five year re union? Like, how much each other? That E O man.
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All right, Uh, Corey, I still want to talk a little bit about your performance, man, where we blown away when we were watching this fight Because you were always one step ahead, and you just had this calm look to you.
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It was a different demeanor.
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Um, what was it? What can you attribute it to? Was it something that you saw on tape? But you just seem so comfortable the whole night.
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What? What can you attribute that performance? It was It was like what I was talking about, man, Like, I practiced a lot on fine tuning where my head needs to be before I fight.
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And I did that every single sparring session for this entire camp, and I'm going to do it in every single sparring session in the future because, um, you know your mind is your mind is in control of everything.
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So I'm really good at convincing my mind that you know it Z before a fight, that it's almost invincible, you know, like, uh and that's where I was before that fight.
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Um, I remember just a couple of thoughts trickling into into my head right before that fight, and I remember getting a little bit nervous and getting a little bit scared.
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And I remember having complete control of telling that fear like, Hey, man, you have no home here tonight like you have no home.
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You're not going to help me here.
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So I was fearless that night, you know, And, uh and but it was just ah lot of me just practicing being in that mode, you know, like being in that mode of like, this isn't winning or losing tonight like this is living or dying.
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And I and I think that if I can, you know, like, put myself there, I think that the body will really respond well, Thio to that.
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And it will put itself in a position where where it's incomplete survival mode and Onda body is a really, you know, it's like a really ancient.
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It's a really ancient thing, you know.
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It's a really ancient organism.
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It's like millions of years of evolution of keeping itself alive.
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So if I can convince it that, hey, we're going out here and where either living or dying I think that its response to that will be will make me perform at an incredibly high level and have an incredibly high level of confidence.
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And I think that that's what that's probably what did it for me.
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And in that Morris fight.
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After a win like that, you have your corner manure getting interview.
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There's all kinds of things that happened.
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But the first moment when everybody goes away and it's just you, what were your thoughts about how the night went? And did you feel any different than any other night? Yeah, that that honestly, it it takes a little bit after a win and a loss to kind of like feel like I'm back to being myself.
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Eso that usually honestly, it takes about a week.
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Um, it takes about a week for me to be like, Okay, now, now I'm kind of settled in.
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You know, But I do remember when when I do kind of come back to myself.
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There's just like, a lot of gratefulness, man, because fighting is a crazy sport.
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And no matter how good you are, you can always lose, and, uh and it sucks to lose.
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And, uh, it's just like a lot of gratefulness for just being, um being it feels like allowed toe win on that night.
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You know, I don't really know how else to describe it, other than that, well, you don't do it too often and you know, when you look over at your record and the way you've been able to bounce back after a loss is very impressive.
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Um, the last loss, though.
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Al Jemaine Sterling.
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I think in a division like yours, we feel like all you guys, we're probably gonna end up fighting multiple time.
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You're probably going to see him again.
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But when you see him the next time, are you hoping he has a belt around him or you hoping for more of a fresh matchup? I don't care.
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I you know, I see a lot of guys and I've even caught myself in a lot of trouble.
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having too many opinions about who they wanna fight next, having too many opinions of, like, perfect scenarios in their own heads of what's gonna happen.
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And I've kind of abandoned that.
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That type of thinking, you know, like the UFC is really taking care of me as faras opponents and stuff.
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Whoever they give me next is great.
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And if it's al Jemaine with the belt around his waist, then great, if it's algae may not with the belt around his waist.
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That's great to, um, so it really does not matter to me.
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I'm here to fight anyone, And that's been the case since since I since I got into the sport and, um, you know that that's what I'm gonna do.
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I'm just gonna keep fighting whoever they put in front of me and and keep doing well, and then everything else will solve itself from there.
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Will you do any version of a camp for the next couple months? Keeping an eye on yon versus um, Sterling on December 12? You know, just because obviously you're you stand out of the number one contender to those two and also well, I guess answer that one first Yeah, definitely.
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That. That's my plan.
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You know, uh, more ice landed one really good low kick on me.
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So I'm trying to do my best to kind of keep it moving so that it doesn't get weak, and I don't let my body get two weeks.
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But, I mean, that's the plan, man.
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Like, right? Right when I can't get back into Not maybe hard, the hardest training in the world.
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But, you know, like, if I could be 80% for the next month and a half until until and kind of, like, feel out whether or not those guys air actually gonna fight, especially today with, like, the coronavirus and all of that jazz.
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I mean, weird stuff is gonna happen all the time, so I mean, I'm definitely gonna stay at about 80%.
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Yeah, and and then the part two to that question was gonna be, you know, like Connor McGregor didn't wanna be any form of an alternate or stand by.
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Michael Chandler gladly took that role for this Saturday.
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I guess that was gonna be my next question was if you would even offered you that, would you do something like that? Yeah.
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Of course, um, they they haven't said anything to me.
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Uh, maybe they will. Maybe they won't.
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But either way, uh, I understand that I'm right now the number one guy that would jump into that spot.
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So I'm not gonna be stupid and just, you know, blow blow that away because I don't want to train, you know, like, I'm going to definitely keep myself prepared.
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And I have No, I have no issue.
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Or my ego has no issue with being an alternate for for that fight.
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Okay, last question.
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You told us in the past about the work that you've done with the kids.
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You know, that was a few years ago, kids were growing up.
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Have any of them kept in contact with you or reach out to you and just tell you about the inspiration you've given them? Uh, no, they're kind of young man.
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So they're like, they're 6 to 12 ish, you know, and most of them are a lot younger.
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So when when I bring up and then a or they find out that I'm a fighter or whatever, they think that I'm fighting John Cena and on I'm part of the W W e you know, So I don't You know, they don't.
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They're a little too young to really understand what what's going on.
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And, uh, and s so I don't get too much of that.
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Honestly, I don't really like talking about it either, just because these kids do come from like, a long line of trauma and really rough upbringings.
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And you know, I don't I don't want, you know, some type of unnecessary feelings towards me for what I do, and so So I kind of just try to keep it on wraps.
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Okay, Well, understood.
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But either way much respect, Thio, your work that you've done and what you share with us in the past, that was an outstanding performance.
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I'm telling you, we've covered the sport for a long time.
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And those fighters that take a loss like the one that you did, a lot of them take that second or third and all of a sudden career could go in another direction.
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Um, that that was very impressive for you to come back from that, and not really, if you think about it.
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You know, I handle a lot of the rankings for USA today sports and Mm, a junkie.
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We call it a round robin.
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You've each kind of take each other out now, you know? So it's still kind of even even though Sterling's now just in the position of I guess he really had the first of the three losses between you, Mariah and him.
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And so that's why he's fighting Peter Young.
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But I'm telling you, you're all gonna fight each other.
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This division is gangbusters.
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Deal shots come back.
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Cruz hasn't gone away, although just joined the ranks.
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Edgar who? I mean, this is an exciting division, man.
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I know you're gonna be at the top of that division, uh, possibly and probably maybe even wearing a strap, because another thing, we're in Vegas, and I hear the talk.
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You've been the favorite and a lot of these spikes and a lot of them just say the guy does everything very, very well.
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So keep on doing your thing and a risk back to your your humbleness and and all that.
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And that's really, really refreshing.
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Yeah. Cool, man. Thanks a lot.
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Any time you guys want me on, man, just just let me know.
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Thank you.
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Appreciate it.
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man.
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Take care of you guys. Do right? All right. There you have it, folks.
00:19:04
Corey san hanging the sand, man.
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Uh, couldn't be a nicer fellow.
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Yeah, it was super cool.
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Very, very motivating.
00:19:13
You started off today like a monster.
00:19:17
Yeah.
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You know, I was told that a few weeks ago is well, so maybe that's what I just have to do a little, you know, little caffeine before and, uh, just get into it.
00:19:28
I went for a nice little brisk Excuse me.
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Now on bourbon.
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A brisk walk before the show.
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So that was cool.
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Came in, got a little haircut, took a shower, and then boom, we were ready to go.
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But you know what it is is a lot of times these athletes also lift lift the morale, I guess of, you know, it's it's a lot more special to start off with one of these guys or gals.
00:19:52
Cory's number three.
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It goes young Sterling and then San Hagen.
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And he's the number one contender, too young and Sterling, who are fighting on December 12.
00:20:00
For those of you that don't know that that's official, that fight is happening.
00:20:04
In fact, I already know some additional info.
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The other fight that night is, um, Megan Anderson is going to challenge Amanda Nunes for the featherweight title and Amanda Nunes.
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She's in the main event.
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Sterling and Yang are in the co main event, so I'm just going to get into it right now.
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Goes Let's tackle a tough subject.
00:20:24
I know where a lot of people know where I'm headed, but I guess it would be out of respect to a man in Nunes and the five or six title defenses that she has the title of goat, meaning the greatest of all time.
00:20:37
When it comes to womens ova, may I can agree with all that.
00:20:39
She's also the heavier weight class because featherweight is 1 45 and Bannon Weight is 1 35.
00:20:45
So, really, do you? So you can just say, Why wouldn't we, right? However, at the same time, the UFC is tricky.
00:20:53
The UFC just kind of does the old, you know? Well, you know, they they slipped the puck by the goalie, you know, in many different ways.
00:21:03
And isn't yon Sterling really the bigger fight? I mean, much respectful manner news.
00:21:09
But the one criticism that's always been heat her way is she really doesn't sell many paper views now.
00:21:15
The last years, so we haven't known as much about pay per view buys, you know, it eventually comes out through the ESPN era, but I don't know, I guess I used to hear more pay per view talk when it when it was surrounded.
00:21:29
Maybe Connor McGregor and John Jones.
00:21:31
And other than that, not many people bring it up.
00:21:32
But I do know that when when she did fight at times, ah, 1 100,050 you know, she's She's somebody that needs to be partnered up with another champion.
00:21:41
But again, isn't yawn and Sterling the big ticket on this card like, isn't that the better fight of the two and again, no side of Amanda.
00:21:51
She's so impressive that I don't think too many people are given Megan Anderson a chance.
00:21:57
Or has she slipped into the Mike Tyson realm where nobody had a chance against Taison? We just wanted to witness the destruction in a minute or two or three minutes.
00:22:07
Whatever it took.
00:22:09
I think it's all of the above.
00:22:11
The easiest way for me to figure those things out are just If I'm in Vegas and there's two doors and one says Yann and Sterling and the other one says Amanda Nunes and Megan Anderson, Which one am I gonna walk into? My answer is pretty easy, and I think most of them a fans.
00:22:27
Their answers probably pretty easy as well. And you're right.
00:22:30
It's no slight against Amanda Nunes.
00:22:32
You put the right name there that the name cyborgs next to their I'd probably go to that point before I would do the other one.
00:22:38
Um, it's not a female versus male thing.
00:22:40
It's just that's just the way it is.
00:22:42
And I agree.
00:22:43
I probably would have put the other one on top, but at the same time, I mean, she is a dominant champion.
00:22:49
She's murdered.
00:22:50
Yeah, a little bit more of a respecting Who knows? Yeah, I always wonder, What's the trade off between what's really the bigger fight? You know who's got the main presence on the poster, who's walking at last all that stuff on.
00:23:06
I can't always get a feel for the consistency or the lack of inconsistency.
00:23:12
Sorry.
00:23:13
What I really should say is the consistent lack of it inconsistency from the UFC.
00:23:17
So you think we would have kind of figured them out by now? Like Look, that's Segway into another topic, Dana White said.
00:23:23
It would be ludicrous to think that McGregor versus Poi at 1 70 would be the way to go to anoint a £155 number one contender.
00:23:37
Because we know that the winner of that fight probably gets the winner of Habib versus just engaging.
00:23:41
Why would it be so ridiculous when he thought cowboy at 1 70 he was willing to do it? Then I'm telling you for People have said that was impressive.
00:23:50
McGregor, you and I next You don't think that you think the U.
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F.
00:23:54
C would have told her be No, no, no, no, no, We can't do that.
00:23:56
They fought at 1 70.
00:23:58
He's not a clear cut number one contender yet.
00:24:00
Hell, no, they wouldn't have done that.
00:24:02
So again, Why go down that road? Is it still just only the hard cores will pick this off.
00:24:09
The other millions will eat whatever I give them pretty much.
00:24:13
I mean, I think I think if you look at the things the way they are. Right now.
00:24:18
You see more and more fighters that air just kind of individually jaded at different times.
00:24:23
And right now, Tony Ferguson, that's one of them, right? I think little things like this start to add up to the point where now fighters are starting to be annoyed by it a little bit.
00:24:33
And they're starting to realize that they have a little bit more power, not the ultimate power.
00:24:37
But they have a little bit more than maybe what they realized in the past, and they're starting to get mad.
00:24:42
And that creates problems when they're trying to book fights.
00:24:45
Uh, so I don't think it goes unnoticed, but the UFC can kind of do whatever they want.
00:24:52
And you're right.
00:24:53
I mean, they do need to be called on on times when they're not being consistent but really quick, going back to Amanda Nunes and Megan Anderson.
00:25:00
The only thing that I can think of George and this is a conspiracy theory guy goes here.
00:25:06
If I had to figure out why they're doing something like that, maybe what I would say is this Look, we're trying to book Ah, big boxing match with Amanda Nunes, and we can't do that if we're making it look like she's not even important enough to be at the top of the UFC card is, the only thing I can think of is, hey, they're planning for the future and there's the possibility of that big Claressa shields fight or something else and they're saying, Let let's try and make this girl is biggest.
00:25:33
We possibly can.
00:25:36
I don't think it's that one.
00:25:37
I think maybe, um, there's a lot of truth to what you're saying that in the future that that's gonna be some sort of a big fight.
00:25:44
But with them being on ESPN, there are a lot bigger than than we, uh, that we know.
00:25:51
Like, for example, he's already saying that this fight is trending Toby bigger than Hobby versus Connor, which sold 2.
00:25:56
4 million paper views for the company.
00:25:59
And remember, uh, that that that's the record in M M.
00:26:04
A. And it's one of the highest in combat sports.
00:26:06
The only ones that have beaten and I believe our Pacquiao vs Floyd Floyd, then Connor versus Floyd, and then there might be a Canelo vs for I don't know But it's up there and and I'm thinking, you know, what's the first thing that I thought about when I saw that goes when he said that I was like, Where were these trends when Paula and Tony just wanted a little bit more money and they could have been the coming of it? You know what I mean? Like, if that's a dude, that's a lot of money, and I know ESPN has now They get pretty much a lot of that money because they sell the paper view.
00:26:40
You know, the UFC gets a standard figure, but I know that the UFC as when when that figure just goes even higher than 400 or 500,000 or whatever it is that they that they received compensation for when it goes higher than that, the UFC still gets a little bit of that dough.
00:26:58
You know what I mean? And there's still some sort of a trickle, I imagine in the deals because you see sharp on that end that they use the deals that the UFC has done.
00:27:07
We deliver a certain amount of shows we deliver a certain amount of paper used or whatever, but Where was that foresight? Where were those binoculars back then? Because again. Oh, yeah.
00:27:16
And Ferguson? What could they have been asking for, man? A couple 100 grand.
00:27:18
More, you know, I don't know.
00:27:21
Could could they have seen that? Should that have been on the car? No disrespect, Michael Channel.
00:27:25
I'm not trying to take him off, but remember, that was an issue.
00:27:27
And that ties into what you said about Tony Ferguson.
00:27:29
The headline on Junkie, If you go on Mm.
00:27:31
A junkie right now is Ferguson lashes out of white.
00:27:34
He says, Why do you treat me like ****, man, that's powerful.
00:27:38
Like I read that I was like, Man, I gotta unpracticed and read the last few stories from both sides.
00:27:44
Why? That kid feels that way because I do spilled a lot of blood for the You see, he's given us a lot of exciting fights, you know, it could be that that he has a **** good point again without knowing without being a fly on Mike Pence's head.
00:27:58
I mean, a fly on the wall of the UFC.
00:28:02
You know, maybe Tony came in and said, Pay me 10 million.
00:28:06
Well, that that I get.
00:28:07
Okay, I'm on Dana Side, but I don't think so.
00:28:10
I think those guys were just fighting to get a certain amount of pay upfront, and it doesn't seem like that.
00:28:15
Can't come out of a budget that's training to be the all time biggest paper, if you ever.
00:28:20
Yeah.
00:28:21
What I wanna know, though, is this harmless fighters.
00:28:24
Can they keep it real? In other words, if you're right, if it is an extra 50 grand 100 grand, whatever it ISS.
00:28:30
If that's added to that fighter, well, let's just say Tony Ferguson and Tony Ferguson comes out and loses.
00:28:37
Is Tony Ferguson then gonna be okay the next fight? If they go now, you're making less because he's basically saying Pay me more because of what I've done.
00:28:49
Well, then, wouldn't it be fair to say you're no longer doing that? That's why you're pays going back down, right? Like I think that's kind of possibly I think I think a proper negotiations shouldn't be just relied on X's and O's meaning wins and losses.
00:29:04
It should be.
00:29:06
It should be like some sort of, uh, remember when Thornton Melon and back to school was walking around and all those experts were doing his homework and some guy presented him this big old fat notebook.
00:29:16
And I think that was his literature term paper or something like that.
00:29:20
They should walk in with something that says these air the ****ytics.
00:29:23
This is what happens when I fight, win or lose, which I mostly win.
00:29:28
I'm telling you again, this is what happens.
00:29:31
You know, this is how things are.
00:29:33
You know, these are the numbers that that are generated.
00:29:36
This is what has happened to other fighters when they fought me, Win or lose, their popularity has gone up.
00:29:42
These are the numbers.
00:29:43
These are the ratings that I saw on ESPN or Fox Sports one back in the day.
00:29:47
These air, the reported pay per view buys associate ID.
00:29:49
This is the growth that I've taken every single fight, you know, something that just other than just like Hey, man, I won and I deserve more money because that's what other fighters get.
00:29:58
It has to be something where you, you know, sat down to guys on either side.
00:30:02
You know, glasses ties, something presentable like that.
00:30:06
That that that expands on your case.
00:30:09
I agree 100%.
00:30:11
It's basically what you're worth is you're showing them what you're worth.
00:30:14
Its right, And you're putting it on paper.
00:30:17
The only problem is, when you get to a certain point, uh, if it were you or I and we say, Hey, I'm a junkie, this is what we're worth.
00:30:25
It's right here.
00:30:27
But mm.
00:30:28
A junkie said, now we're just not feeling it.
00:30:30
We have options of doing other things, right? The question is, what is Tony Ferguson do? They tell them you can't fight no more? What has he done in his life? To prepare himself for whatever is next, right? Some fighters have it.
00:30:44
Other fighters don't.
00:30:45
And the UFC knows that.
00:30:46
And that's the problem they get Thio.
00:30:49
Well, not only that, he's a good point in in the sense that you and I guess you could say Well, Okay, See you.
00:30:54
Thanks, junkie.
00:30:55
Whereas he Yeah, he's tied to the contract.
00:30:58
He can't even go to bare knuckle if they're going.
00:30:59
Hey, two million to fight.
00:31:00
Come over here.
00:31:01
You know, dangling the carrot.
00:31:03
Um, so, yeah, that they are shackled a little bit, but I still think a fighter can have a case even coming off a loss.
00:31:10
Connor versus Nate.
00:31:12
He made Nate bigger.
00:31:13
You know the night Nate made him bigger as well.
00:31:17
I mean, they contributed because those numbers just kept getting bigger between those two.
00:31:22
So both guys deserve bigger paydays coming off losses, you know that.
00:31:26
That's why that third fight should be a mega fight.
00:31:29
I guess you just have to do it with, like I say sound and hard evidence, and I think they'll write the check.
00:31:36
Boy did something because he said eight in full.
00:31:39
That was a tweet from him about three weeks ago.
00:31:41
That's why he's getting talked about now with Connor McGregor.
00:31:44
Tony Ferguson hasn't reached that point.
00:31:46
You know, I don't know if he will.
00:31:47
He's part of the same management group as Algemeen Sterling and Colby Covington, and I remember saying, You know, could it be that group? Are they a little aggressive? Are they going to high? But Covington thought he came to some sort of an agreement recently, and, uh, I'll domain just signed.
00:32:03
He's fighting on December 12th against Peter Yang, so I don't know, because it's something specific to Ferguson who knows, but they need to sort that out because that's too good of a fighter to for him to be once a year, he's gotta fight two or three times a year.
00:32:17
A lot of these guys and gals, I think, could and should.
00:32:21
Uh, I don't believe so much in the 20 year career.
00:32:24
I believe more in the 10 career year where you could win, make burn.
00:32:29
Sorry as much in 10 years, and you can't across 20.
00:32:32
I don't need you to get your brain rattled around in practice and in fights for 20 years.
00:32:39
That is a long time, you know, You gotta make the most of it.
00:32:42
What you can think about NFL running backs or something like that.
00:32:45
I think the average lifespan there is like 3.
00:32:47
5 years.
00:32:48
The top guys.
00:32:49
Frank Gore.
00:32:51
Uh, Emmitt Smith.
00:32:54
I mean, a few of those guys have had long, long distinguished careers, but usually that doesn't happen.
00:32:59
So hey, room.
00:33:01
If you were an upcoming fighter because a lot of us live in the M M.
00:33:05
A bubble right, you're in upcoming fighter.
00:33:09
Would you want a manager? That's kind of in that enema bubble or one of these other managers.
00:33:16
That focus is kind of like on Hollywood NFL, but they're diving into mm, a little bit because I used to think, Give me the m m.
00:33:24
A bubble guy all day because he knows what's going on and all that.
00:33:29
But I'm starting to think like these outside the bubble groups that have come in, they have a different mentality, and it's almost like they can't be pushed around by the UFC or where they can't be told.
00:33:41
Well, if I'm gonna give you this deal, maybe this other fighter on your stables gonna suffer something like, I don't know, I'm at first.
00:33:48
I was kind of nervous when some of these guys did this, but I think it's actually paying off.
00:33:52
Yeah, as you were talking, I was trying to compute it.
00:33:56
Remember when CIA kind of came into the fold? They represented came Alaska's, I believe, for a while, todo and Kevin leaves with GSP, you know, have they done anything that's been outstanding? Well, maybe maybe a couple, Maybe they got him into Reebok or monster or whatever.
00:34:19
Uh and then and then I think back to the guys like Ed Soro's back in the day.
00:34:27
Ali Abdel Aziz Audie Atar.
00:34:30
The like the cowl brothers, you know.
00:34:34
Okay, audio tar Got a Puma deal for Izzy.
00:34:38
The collar brothers got Nike.
00:34:40
John Jones, Uh, Ali Abdel Aziz on that front.
00:34:46
I don't know.
00:34:47
He's had his much like I like that one windfall, but his fighters seem to get paid very, very well.
00:34:54
So I think that the negotiation tables where he shines, he's, I think he's able to leverage the deep roster that he has a swell and it comes around.
00:35:03
It's not like one guy constantly gets used to get other people, because have you ever seen the harmony on the dominance team on social media? And I know all he gets accused of.
00:35:12
Well, it's you, you you're controlling on the account.
00:35:14
But I don't see it that way because I think eventually a fighter would go *****, stop tweeting.
00:35:17
You know, like I'm not that in love with another guy in the store.
00:35:20
They all seem pretty, um, seem to get along and they seem toe bought into a system.
00:35:26
So do you answer.
00:35:27
Your question goes, I think the the ones that have put their time in the Butler's the colleges.
00:35:34
All those guys seem to maybe squeeze a little bit more using that long tenured runnin mm a versus the outsiders.
00:35:44
Um, I'd have to be proven wrong on that.
00:35:47
Somebody would have to go.
00:35:48
Yeah, I'm from C A.
00:35:49
Look at this.
00:35:50
And then I might stand corrected, but I don't remember that.
00:35:54
I don't remember guys coming from the outside and doing anything remarkable.
00:35:59
I'm thinking gsp getting that middleweight shot.
00:36:03
He did get in your armor.
00:36:05
Hold on.
00:36:06
He did.
00:36:08
He did get under.
00:36:09
I'm thinking, What was He was very back then or anybody else because I was such a long time ago.
00:36:13
It's really testing my memory.
00:36:15
Ed probably had a hand and Nike Brazil for Anderson.
00:36:20
Um, I don't know.
00:36:23
I don't know.
00:36:24
Uh, I don't know.
00:36:28
TJ's with Tiki.
00:36:29
Now he's no longer with Syria Kings.
00:36:32
Pretty much retired.
00:36:35
I don't know.
00:36:36
I'd have to see, but I don't think I've seen anything to golden coming out of fighters represented outside the M m a bubble.
00:36:44
So I don't know if it's worked or not, because look, I don't care how sharp you are.
00:36:47
I don't care if the real Ari from from Entourage sat down across from Dana.
00:36:54
Why? I think Dana White still has the ultimate.
00:36:56
This is the deal, pal.
00:36:57
And if not, we're ****ing moving on, you know? And he has the case study to show it.
00:37:02
We moved on with without Tito.
00:37:04
We moved on without BJ.
00:37:05
We moved on without a £155 weight class.
00:37:08
We moved on after Rhonda after Brock, after Connor and easily just keep throwing shows.
00:37:13
Why? Because there's new stars that pop up.
00:37:16
And I think he's created a business where it's pretty much successful, no matter what and really goes.
00:37:23
Rhonda Connor, Habib, Brock Jones.
00:37:28
All those are our cherry on Sundays.
00:37:32
You know what I mean? He's constantly serving up Sundays.
00:37:35
I mean, they're all delicious.
00:37:37
You finish it, you go.
00:37:38
Man, that was awesome.
00:37:39
I can't wait till the next one.
00:37:41
And like I say, when those guys come around, he just Sprinkles in a little bit of those extras on it, and it's even more delicious.
00:37:47
But really, that company is super profitable.
00:37:50
They don't need any of those guys, but when they do come along and they blow up like Mas Vidal as of late.
00:37:55
Bam, Perfect.
00:37:56
Even better, you know? And so that's why I don't I don't blame those guys that say this is my number.
00:38:02
I know what you're up to. I know what you're doing.
00:38:04
Then they stand firm, aswell stood firm, and then you got paid, you know? But, um that also comes with repercussions.
00:38:12
Because when mas at all lost to tomorrow Zeman you could hear him on the tape on a fight Island declassified, telling Dana White, give me a six week camp.
00:38:23
I'll be ready.
00:38:24
Um, I know I could beat that guy, okay.
00:38:30
And so playing hardball didn't get him the fight.
00:38:33
Originally, he came in with one month.
00:38:36
Sorry.
00:38:37
With one week to go, he showed up and fought.
00:38:39
But you could tell the competitive spirit.
00:38:42
He felt like, ****, you know, like, Okay, I got paid.
00:38:45
But now I'm not champ, and I know I can beat that guy.
00:38:48
I need to get that proper 68 week camp and then really, really make an attempt to beat that guy.
00:38:53
When do you do that? And maybe possibly sacrifice the leverage that you have to getting paid more because that's where the leverage came from.
00:39:00
What burns? He can't fight.
00:39:02
****! Now what do we do? And then model makes the call.
00:39:04
I'm ready. Let's do it.
00:39:05
You're gonna pay me.
00:39:06
You know what I mean? Yeah.
00:39:07
Can I Segway into something? Yes.
00:39:10
Okay.
00:39:11
You're talking about the Cherries on top of the Sundays and on how there's just constantly new crop.
00:39:17
Have you been watching? Embedded? Yeah, I've gone through three of them.
00:39:21
Okay, I've gone through three is well, because their fourth yet? I don't know.
00:39:25
I don't think so, though.
00:39:28
Michael Chandler.
00:39:29
That's a cherry right there.
00:39:30
Right? That a pay per view, cherry.
00:39:33
But you could do a fight night around him.
00:39:36
He's obviously the alternate, but he's not a pay per view Cherry yet, but he could blow up.
00:39:42
Maybe he's got He's got something to him because now, if you could say if he could give her b the first hell along with being the ballot or the former Bela Tor champion when you could brag about having two belts and having beaten hobby Hey, Benson and Eddie, like all time great lightweights.
00:40:01
Sure, your stock can rise and now it just matters about whether that registers where Charlie Sarin is tweeting.
00:40:07
Dana White.
00:40:08
Oh my God, he's awesome.
00:40:09
You know, that's that extra level of of supers****om that I don't know if he could reach that right away.
00:40:15
He reminds me a little bit of a GSP, his personality and just the way of people gravitate to him a little bit.
00:40:21
Yeah, another guy that I'm very, very glad because this happens in our interviews.
00:40:27
Jared Cannon ear got a lot of face time, and people have been able to see how charming he is and how funny and just he's just a straight up nice guide.
00:40:38
And it's because you know he looks so menacing in the cage and all that, but he's a really, really nice guy, and you see him interact with a lot of different fighters and the crystals, and you know he's got that side of him.
00:40:49
But I'm glad that he was able to shine a little bit here, and I hope that he could blow up a little bit more.
00:40:55
But it's just dude, if you're at the top, you're constantly looking down.
00:40:58
There's people looking to right up at you, like I will take your spot at any second.
00:41:03
You know, just engages another one like that.
00:41:05
Dude is just so much fun to watch.
00:41:08
Yeah, man, I'm telling you, the UFC has an incredible business.
00:41:13
Early on, it was a struggle.
00:41:15
44 million in debt.
00:41:16
54 with the production off the ultimate fighter Season one.
00:41:20
And then Bonner and Griffin put on that awesome fight.
00:41:23
Spike gives them more money for a season.
00:41:25
Two more stars were being made because of the show.
00:41:28
You know, Diego Costa, Kenny.
00:41:30
They came out of that.
00:41:31
And boom, there are often running.
00:41:33
But I think I think one of my examples used to be in the past.
00:41:36
It's like they're a cartel.
00:41:38
They got all these tunnels and submarines and you know, aircrafts.
00:41:42
And sure, you're gonna catch some of them.
00:41:44
You know, we couldn't get that load through or this load through, but so many of them do get through, you know, and it's just a matter of time.
00:41:50
And yeah, Chandler could turn out to be pretty big.
00:41:52
He's very well thought out in his in his way when he talks, sometimes he shines even the most when he's just a little bit of a square and he said, and he called somebody a nerd or sometimes he'll just get on Twitter And, you know, like he called Tony Ferguson out using the capital letter on first letter of every word you know and says, Hey, man, you had your chance.
00:42:10
So he has a little bit of a pushback that gives them a little bit of a swag, but he needs to get the results.
00:42:15
He's not coming over as able a tour champion.
00:42:18
Remember Pit Bulls? The champion? He's coming over as a former belt or champion, but this could erase all that.
00:42:23
If you were to be Khubbieva Tomoko Madoff and a couple title defenses.
00:42:27
I think you're right, goes.
00:42:28
He does have some of that GSP charm I'm still thinking of, uh, when he called was a, well Brooks that he called the nerd.
00:42:37
No, no, somebody called.
00:42:39
Yeah, I thought he called him one time a nerd on Twitter.
00:42:42
I remember, he said.
00:42:44
Did he just call me a nerd? Sounds good.
00:42:46
But then he also told the pit bull, Remember when he said, Beat it, nerd, Possibly he's one of the fraidy brothers, so that that seems a little bit of face.
00:42:58
But look, the UFC paid him well, and he's not coming over his champion.
00:43:03
So there might be some ****ytics on Michael Chandler.
00:43:06
They see how popular you are, your social media.
00:43:09
You know, when you show up to a job, you show up and say, Look, I went to college.
00:43:12
I did this or why have this experience here? You know, whatever.
00:43:16
And then they either give you the job or not.
00:43:18
I think that's the same thing with with them and may, you know, you hopefully come with way.
00:43:22
More wins and losses.
00:43:23
Hopefully a win Street, hopefully one some belts along the way at the good good presence on social media.
00:43:30
And I think TFC goes okay.
00:43:31
It makes sense.
00:43:32
That's right, the checks and if not the not or whatever.
00:43:34
But he got it, you know, good for him.
00:43:36
And I think he's He's been blessed, actually, and, ah, lot of his free agency belt, or pay them handsomely.
00:43:44
The two times he was a free agent, you know, and didn't come over to you see, and then this time he's coming over and he's getting paid well and by the way it goes.
00:43:51
And I did a sit down with Chandler about a week and a half ago, so there's been, like two or three recaps that have come out of the interview that we did with Michael Chandler.
00:44:00
And along the lines of those recaps, you'll see the video highlights.
00:44:04
So that portion of the interview that accompanies the recap Oftentimes you missed out on the whole interview, and that was about a 40 minute interview.
00:44:14
If I'm not mistaking with Michael Channel and we talked about everything and he's so cool, we spent some time check that out over there at youtube dot com.
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How pumped are you, man? We got a great title right there.
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Yeah, we gotta do some early day drinking.
00:45:55
But all that means is just get up a little bit earlier.
00:45:58
Eat your breakfast, but don't forget.
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I mean, if you're if you're one of those guys that just kind of goes off of the main card starts at this time, like now you gotta watch social media because a lot of times George and I get in here like an hour early.
00:46:12
We just love doing it, so make sure you're with us for the whole ride because it's gonna be a really fun card.
00:46:16
It's a great card in, like, if they know what's correct.
00:46:19
This is gonna trend to be the biggest card ever.
00:46:22
Yeah. You know, you definitely don't want to miss out.
00:46:24
And for those of you that are wondering why they're doing it early, all the other fight nights in Abu Dhabi have been prime time for us recently.
00:46:31
Late over there, I think the fight cards have been starting like at midnight, 1 a.m.
00:46:36
two a m.
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And then they fight till, like, eight, the moon.
00:46:39
So all the fighters have been basically showing up 10 hours.
00:46:42
Sorry.
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10 days earlier, going through their quarantines, fighting jetlag and programming their body to fight at that time over here were like business as usual.
00:46:52
We haven't really been aware of the sacrifice they made over there this time.
00:46:56
They're fighting in prime time over there to accommodate the audience in the Middle East and Russia, where Habib Tomoko Madoff is a monster.
00:47:05
He's gonna be watched probably on free TV in Russia.
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And s o the UFC made that exception.
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And that's why it's gonna be an early edition for us.
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10 a.
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That's us here on SportsCastr.
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The pay per view starts one hour later.
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So we'll be hanging out with you guys like ghosts at an hourly Watching those, uh, those problems and yeah goes embedded has been awesome.
00:47:27
I've loved it.
00:47:28
Did you watch Fight Island declassified? Still haven't now not all of it. Sorry.
00:47:34
Okay, um, John Morgan did an article on it and he basically reviewed it along with timing in on his.
00:47:49
His time there at Fight Island is where what he observed and what matched and, you know, it's pretty good.
00:47:55
It's really, really detailed.
00:47:56
It's a It's a long read, but It's a pleasant read, actually shot up a message yesterday, and I think people would like it.
00:48:04
But of course I think you know nothing beats watching the video as well, because, you see, there's a lot of great storytelling from a lot of the athletes.
00:48:14
For Dana White.
00:48:15
For the UFC, the people behind the scenes, there's big highs.
00:48:20
There's low lows.
00:48:21
Um, it's really, really great.
00:48:24
The only thing I wish is that Ron Perlman would have been the narrator there, But man, that thing was great.
00:48:31
I cannot emphasize it enough.
00:48:34
Put that ahead of a movie on Netflix or any other plans that you have that weekend.
00:48:41
Watch it seriously.
00:48:42
Watch, especially we could get it in before the paper you. It's uneasily.
00:48:45
It's an easy watch.
00:48:46
It's four episodes, about 45 minutes long each so you could probably binge watching here between now and Saturday.
00:48:53
Cool.
00:48:54
Yeah, Tomorrow at this time, maybe around this time the fighters will be good way, and then we'll have an answer.
00:49:00
Maybe even late tonight, depending on you know how they're figuring it out over there.
00:49:05
But that that's pretty close.
00:49:06
I I've seen the fighters.
00:49:07
They're being very respectful.
00:49:10
Um, so this is a fight card that's selling without pushing and shoving, yelling, cussing, none of that.
00:49:16
So let me ask you this.
00:49:18
Those millions of people that are gonna be watching it in Russia, cheering on Habib, they're gonna be happy, and they're gonna be disappointed.
00:49:26
I've been asked that a lot.
00:49:28
And this is what I tell people.
00:49:31
Habib has not only not lost the fight, he rarely loses rounds to make a bet with conviction.
00:49:40
Meaning a lot of money tow back, just engaging.
00:49:43
I think it's foolish.
00:49:44
It's foolish to say I'm batting 1000 on them.
00:49:47
All right, let's say you make 50,000 year and you have some disposable income to gamble and have some fun.
00:49:53
And so your average bed is a 100.
00:49:55
I guess the 100 should be the top that you should put on gauging, because if you lose and then you go over there thinking the ****ing guys never lost, he readily loses rounds all he doesn't take people down, wrapped his legs around him, trapped him, trap a wrist and beat the **** out of people.
00:50:08
Submit him or whatever.
00:50:10
What was I thinking? that hurts, you know, they just Postlewait $100 especially with black Friday coming up Christmas.
00:50:18
Um, so maybe even do something less.
00:50:20
Take a chance, you know, take a chance on G.
00:50:23
I get it.
00:50:24
I'm not against that.
00:50:25
But don't put a ton of money on a guy who who against the guy that you know has shown us.
00:50:31
I mean, the tangible evidence is there in his record.
00:50:35
Now, has he thought someone like just engaging? No, just engaging has a lot of formidable attributes.
00:50:43
He's got power in his hands.
00:50:44
He's toughest nails he doesn't break, sees, got amazing leg kicks.
00:50:50
De he's got experience going 25 minutes because he's been a world champion before.
00:50:55
Over at W slf before it became pfl.
00:50:59
Um, he's lost.
00:51:00
He's not scared of losing.
00:51:01
He already got past that.
00:51:03
He was actually an undefeated fighter into the 18th or 20th fight of his career, so he's had a little bit of that feeling where you just walk on water and you're indestructible.
00:51:12
That guy, if anybody does have the attributes to beat her, be so would it shocked me if I'd be lost.
00:51:18
No, it wouldn't shock me either, but I still feel like bet, but bet smartly.
00:51:24
Um, don't put a lot of money on either side.
00:51:27
Kick back and enjoy it.
00:51:28
If you wanna make a lot of money, then maybe grab G in a small parley with a few other fighters.
00:51:33
And maybe you could turn your 100 into 1000 or your 25 into 500 or whatever the math is.
00:51:38
But I, you know, going to the head.
00:51:41
I take a beam.
00:51:42
Of course, my life depended on it.
00:51:43
Take a B, but more than likely I'll be bed engaged because of the odds.
00:51:47
I think I rethought Joey Odessa, noted oddsmaker Joey Odessa's take on the word value.
00:51:53
He says, I hate that word.
00:51:54
Don't use it on I go.
00:51:55
Why he suppose you shouldn't bet on a fighter because he has value.
00:51:59
Used to bet on the fight because you think he could win and he has a point.
00:52:03
But isn't that the value? Well, that's exactly I rethought it and I thought, Well, wait a minute, that's the first thing.
00:52:10
That's the first thing I think about when I'm judging.
00:52:13
I don't just go.
00:52:14
He can't win, but there's value.
00:52:16
I don't say that.
00:52:17
I always go get a win, and there's value in the huge odds that you get.
00:52:22
So I think I gotta have a meeting of the minds with him and go.
00:52:25
I've read that.
00:52:26
What you said I just wanna added that amendment to that or whatever, but I think G has the ability to win, and he has that kind of value, I think.
00:52:35
Thio FEMA Lopez also fell in the same boat when he was fighting Vasily Lomachenko last week.
00:52:41
In boxing, there was value there, and he had the skills, the wind.
00:52:45
Now, did you firmly believe he was gonna win? Well, no, you gotta firmly believe in one of the two.
00:52:49
It's usually the favorite for reason, but still doesn't mean that they're indestructible.
00:52:53
Lomachenko had brought a lost into his into that fight.
00:52:56
Seemed like he had never lost before.
00:52:57
Abby hasn't but still, Yeah, I think that word can be used a little bit more loosely, like people have been using it, and I think there's there's a play there with gauging.
00:53:07
I feel like if Lomachenko would have lost, you could look back at some of the rounds that he I mean, he did lose.
00:53:13
But you look back at some of the rounds that he gave away, right? That's something that you never get from Habib.
00:53:19
He never gives anything away.
00:53:21
You have to earn it.
00:53:23
So you know it.
00:53:24
Just engage.
00:53:25
You wins that fight.
00:53:26
It's because he had to climb that mountain.
00:53:28
He had overcome something horrible on the other side.
00:53:31
You get a very honest fight out of Habib, so it's very hard to take just engaging.
00:53:37
I've always said if somebody's gonna beat Habib, it's Justin And after that I don't think I would probably never turn in any other name other than Habib.
00:53:47
But I did kind of come to reality and say, Look to just to pick somebody other than Habib.
00:53:53
You're just not paying attention to the fax.
00:53:55
You're not looking at everything that's going on.
00:53:57
So I turned into a B.
00:53:58
But I think Justin has ah, very good chance.
00:54:01
I think he's that type of fighter.
00:54:02
That could be Yeah, you need a wrestler, you know who can hold their own and stop what? Take down or two.
00:54:10
Get up from a takedown, mitigate the damage of a takedown.
00:54:15
But you also need to be ableto have hands, you know on because Habib has developed Cem Cem striking some formidable striking.
00:54:23
And so you gotta be able to not only match that, you've got to be better than that.
00:54:26
So when the fight remain standing, you have some sort of an advantage.
00:54:30
Um uh, man, uh, Chandler has hands.
00:54:36
He can wrestle g his hands, he can wrestle.
00:54:40
Um, but you gotta be able to stop some of the take down.
00:54:43
Not all of them.
00:54:44
The beef seems to get everyone down.
00:54:45
Even GSP GSP used to go against a lot of wrestlers.
00:54:49
Jon Fitch wrestle that produce Josh cost check, Wrestled at.
00:54:55
He was back in the sand.
00:54:57
No, no, he wrestled in in New York like Edinburgh or some small school.
00:55:02
But he was a national champion, you know.
00:55:05
So he came across the Marceau Jake Shields.
00:55:07
Jeff wrestled at San Francisco State.
00:55:10
So my point is, GSP wrestled people that got to a higher level than him and wrestling, except his wrestling was very effective from May.
00:55:16
And then he matched it with ground and pound.
00:55:19
Three ability to have good writing time and seek for some submissions, and that's why he was a beast.
00:55:26
So we'll see.
00:55:28
Man, I think Habib has been teasing that Dagestani wrestling is just better for Emma than American wrestling.
00:55:34
We'll see.
00:55:35
We'll see if even just engaging wants to do it.
00:55:38
Just engaging.
00:55:39
They only want to stop it, and that's it.
00:55:40
You may not even want to take the take down against the B.
00:55:42
I think it would behoove them to get one, take them and get some damage and getting, Habib said.
00:55:47
And know that.
00:55:48
Wow, I gotta be leery of his Take them.
00:55:51
But Justin is not like that.
00:55:53
Justin's a zombie.
00:55:54
He wants to throw hands.
00:55:55
He wants to get in car crashes like Corey have standing and said earlier, Is he gonna throw that leg kick? Though They were big weapon for him, but I just don't know if he's gonna throw it against the guy.
00:56:08
That's probably hoping he does.
00:56:11
He should throw it to end his combos, like Dos Rudin says, to just throw it out there early.
00:56:19
If somebody can time it and get it and you get you get taken down in the first minute and you're underneath the B for four.
00:56:29
Your gas tank just went down.
00:56:31
You just took some damage.
00:56:33
You just lost 10 9, possibly 10.
00:56:35
8.
00:56:37
Because remember, the 10 8 round could come through the three DS damage, duration and dominance.
00:56:43
You get two of those three and a lot of judges air righting an eight next to your name.
00:56:47
If you were on the on the receiving end, What does that mean? Well, if he was on top, then that means he had the duration and he took it down in the first minute.
00:56:57
Had you down for four minutes.
00:56:58
There's the duration.
00:56:59
But if you were able to lock him up and hold him well, then you mitigated the damage.
00:57:04
He won't get that.
00:57:05
What about the dominance? You know, where you turning your back? And then he beat you up, and then you would get back, regain guard, maybe.
00:57:12
And he still stood on top and he just dominate you in every position.
00:57:16
Or maybe even went from guard toe, half guard, past toe, full amount to take your back back to, you know, on top.
00:57:24
Did he also dominate you while you were on the feet? You know, again.
00:57:27
That's what goes into those 10 8 rounds.
00:57:28
You gotta make sure you don't want to give up one of those.
00:57:31
And Habib has the ability to do that if he gets to take down early.
00:57:35
So I think early on, you wanna be in a little bit of the lower stance.
00:57:40
Uh, and you don't wanna, you know, going back to what else do you want to just give a kick away and having catch your kick, and then I'll soon take it down? I don't know, but at the same time, do you want to not throw kicks because of that? You gotta balance it.
00:57:51
So a lot of time.
00:57:52
So be it is really, really good about covering up.
00:57:54
I think if you could throw a combo and then and then the combo with a kick, then maybe you can get some of that damage in on some of those, uh, you know, on on those thighs, the lower the lower leg kick has become way more effective, It seems like, and that's obviously touch. Tougher to catch.
00:58:11
Um, could you do that? Justin's had fights stop from the thigh kicks, but the lower leg kicks uh, I haven't seen him have as much success with those.
00:58:23
Like other fighters, I think it's difficult to replicate somebody like just engaging in a camp just because Justin, he's wild.
00:58:31
But there's technique behind his wildness.
00:58:33
You know the punches don't come from traditional areas like he's throwing him from from on, almost like Tyson, like Tyson could throw a power punch from just about any position off balance.
00:58:44
On balance, I don't know how you prepare for just engaging.
00:58:47
I think that's the part that's probably gonna mess with Habib a little bit, Um, is trying to figure Justin out, but that's kind of that time that just engaging needs to implement his game.
00:58:59
And that's where I think the winner is going to come in this fight.
00:59:01
It's going to be the guy that gets off first and put put all their chips in.
00:59:06
Yeah, I mean, when you get them thinking about what you're doing, um, you're right because you seem to be less focused on your offensive attributes.
00:59:23
Unless you're a seasoned counterpuncher, then they're They're they're at an advantage, for sure.
00:59:32
I think that reflects in the judge's scorecards.
00:59:35
Um, that said, I do want to say counterpunches for a while.
00:59:39
That strategy is tough.
00:59:40
And mm a Because if that opening isn't there and the other guy is just a little bit more active than you, but not as offensive.
00:59:47
But you weren't able to do anything off your counter strike.
00:59:50
You no offense.
00:59:52
Guess what? You've just given away the easiest 10 9 ever.
00:59:55
And then the other guy only has to maybe get you down at some point or or just wind around.
00:59:59
I've seen a lot of fighters take split decision.
01:00:01
Loss is again.
01:00:02
My man Jorge Mas without comes to mind.
01:00:04
He realized it a little bit late.
01:00:06
That kind could have been a superstar 5, 10 years ago.
01:00:10
You know, he fought for the world title at Strikeforce at 155.
01:00:13
We lost to Gilbert Melendez.
01:00:15
You know, he was part of L. A.
01:00:16
Torre's.
01:00:17
Well, hey wasn't able to grab a title there.
01:00:20
And then he was in the UFC and dropped a couple split decisions that still had the hurt.
01:00:25
Ally Quinta was one of them.
01:00:27
The Wrens Larkin was another um, you know, So these were fights that are within his reach eso.
01:00:34
What did he do? He started to become a little bit more offensive.
01:00:37
Hey, even had a setback in the Stephen Thompson fight.
01:00:39
He wasn't having success in that one.
01:00:41
But in the door until fight.
01:00:42
Remember, he got knocked down.
01:00:44
But then he was able to come back and get there until down.
01:00:47
So, yeah, at some point, you have to be the leader of the dance.
01:00:50
Yeah.
01:00:51
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You have to see to 54 which takes place on Saturday.
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Don't forget, goes and I are hosting a watch along.
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Watch the fights along with US 10 a.
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It's an early edition of the UFC pay per view because they're going live out there in Abu Dhabi primarily to appease the Russian crowd as a Bebe Narmada Madoff is gonna be trying to unify the titles.
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He's the undisputed champion will be taken on the interim champion. Justin G.
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We're gonna go over a lot of news nuggets as well, and we got a superstar who's going to start to show off with us.
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Alright, I often say, Man, you know what if I was as badass as examine made fighters who out go out there and perform in front of millions on television? Thousands in attendance prep endemic.
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If I did interviews, I'd be wearing these robes, Ala Ric Flair and a Jacuzzi with *****es.
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But it's those guys that are quiet and reserved and calm.
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Those of the rial Gangsters Look at Cory standing just chilling out there, just waiting for his turn to be stumbling upon because he already knows he's a gangster.
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What's up, Cory? How're you doing? Hey, I'm getting And how are you? Good.
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I've always liked your style, man.
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You always promote your team, your your hometown, the kids that you do work with and then sure.
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Yeah, let's get around to the fighting, you know? Yeah, I just don't have a No.
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Seriously, it's been fun watching you progress through.
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LF a and in less than three years, you're already at the top of the heat of the bantamweight division.
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You just took out more than my congrats.
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Yeah, Thanks, man.
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I mean, it's been a really quick journey.
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Uh, yeah.
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I mean, it's been fun, man.
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I'm I'm really grateful.
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And I feel really blessed Thio to be where I am right now.
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Yeah, And you know, one of the themes as of late has been How do you bounce back from a loss? And what does that say about you? You know, Kobe Covington? He thought tomorrow is my I'm pretty tough.
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You want a couple of rounds? And then he lost, uh, in the end and around five.
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But then he comes back, and he had a really, really nice wind statement and same thing, you know, you had a setback versus Al Joe, and you came back against another tough opponent.
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Boom statement win.
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Did that wind feel almost better than the all the other ones combined? In a way, I mean, because you have to dig deep career wise.
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Yeah, It felt good, man. I knew that.
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I knew that. It was a big one.
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I knew it was either one where I was gonna win and look good in, or I was gonna You know, I was gonna probably just get thrown aside for a while, you know? And I definitely didn't want to get thrown aside.
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I wanted to still be in this title talk, and that's what I'm doing here.
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I'm trying to win a championship, and, um yeah, man, I It was tough.
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I had to be really honest with myself as to why I lost that first one.
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And I had to do a lot of ah lot of work on me.
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and, uh, and I did put in all of that work, and it showed up When? When I when I fought more ice.
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And, uh ah, Fight is fights are crazy.
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And Aziz, much control as you think you have of them.
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Sometimes you don't have as much control as you think.
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And, uh, definitely, you know, grateful that I was able to win because there is a level of you're not really being in control when you're in a fight.
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So, uh, I'm just grateful, man, that I was able to do so well.
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Was that soul searching all you or did you have to lean upon either family, teammates or coaches to really, really just give you an honest assessment of that fight? Um, it was pretty introspective is pretty, uh, myself.
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You know, like, I would I would say that one of the things was just not being in a good headspace before I went and fought.
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Sterling, um, which, you know, I I kind of don't even really like bringing up because it sounds like I'm making an excuse, but I wasn't a good enough fighter at that moment. Thio.
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No, um, enough about myself and and to know that I I needed thio to be different that night.
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And, um, it was a lot of kind of looking into that and being like, Well, how do I fix that issue? And then when I figured out how to fix that issue, it was, you know, I just practiced that over and over and over again, getting in an intense headspace.
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Uh, learning and talking to a lot of the other guys on the team was helpful.
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You know, like I mean, if we're gonna talk being in an intense headspace, I think G is a really good example.
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And his fight is in a couple of days, And, uh, just listening to that I talk.
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I was like, Oh, that's that's where some people go in their heads where they wanna like you know, that they talk about seeing these this person's blood and they wanna, you know, they want to create car crashes and all of that I had never really seen the game like that, and, uh, just kind of like listening to him and and and some of the other guys on the team, it was helpful to kind of get me uh, Thio understand that.
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Like what we're doing is not really a game.
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It's not really a sport.
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We're going out there, and we're really trying toe cause, like, very serious injuries to each other.
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And, uh and and that was a nice little reminder.
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You know, getting choked out was a nice reminder of like, Hey, man, like we're not just out here, you know, making cool martial arts, like, you know, like we're actually out here fighting each other.
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And it was important for me, Thio, remember that? Yeah, that gauging man when he talks, we all pay attention because e think you guys are more like NASCAR car crashes than just regular car crashes.
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I wouldn't even like a fender bender, much less car crash of any kind, But yeah, your guy's car crashes.
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I think we take it for granted.
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We watch you guys eyes and the leg kick and a list of the not.
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But we all forget about those times where you're just kind of walking, you know, like in high school.
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And someone just sucks you in the shoulder are tackle football on Thanksgiving.
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You know, you're like, Oh, my hit by this by that.
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You guys literally, you know, hammer each other for 15 minutes.
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I can't imagine just how toughen condition your bodies and your minds are to get to peel yourself off the canvas and then come back and be it at the next practice on Monday.
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Yeah, it's no joke, man.
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Uh, it's tough.
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Um, you got to kind of be a little bit of a weirdo to enjoy it, but it's, you know, it's It's my life's work, you know? It's It's my passion.
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And I love it.
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Were you were doing high school or were you one of the cool cat? No.
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I mean, I tried to be as cool as I could.
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You know, I played basketball in high school, actually.
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Eso uh, you know, I don't know.
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I tried really hard to be cool back.
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Back in the day.
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You got some perfect their ex moves or what was your position? Uh, what was his name? Professor X. I think it was the Professor.
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The professor.
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You're talking about the white dude on n one? Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, he was actually one of my favorite basketball players, though, but yeah, that's what I tried to play.
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Like, you know, I was pretty decent basketball too. I wasn't terrible.
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I could play.
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You have a nickname? White chocolate.
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What were you I forget what they called me.
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Uh, now, White chocolate definitely came up a couple of times, but I don't think that that was like the standard one, but yeah, definitely not called Chuck.
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Remember Jason Williams? He was white chocolate, but e Alright, cool.
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Did you play any other sports? By the way? We're just basketball.
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E played soccer when I was a kid.
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And then, uh, basketball.
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I wanted to wrestle, actually in high school, but my mom wouldn't let me because she didn't like the idea of me wrestling around with guys in a single it.
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So, uh, eso wrestling was off the table.
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But now, I mean, just basketball.
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And then I actually started doing everything when I was in high school to a zoo Faras like m m a.
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I signed up at night Mark parts June.
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So, uh, I mean, I was kickboxing and doing jiu jitsu.
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Uh, and a little bit of wrestling when I was in high school. Still.
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So you're 29.
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You've already had the 10 year reunion.
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Did you go to the 10 year reading it, by the way, I'm 28.
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So our 10 year reunion was supposed to be this year, but it got canceled because of all the Corona stuff.
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Okay, Yeah, I'm just wondering what When you go back, I guess to the 15 or the delayed 10 you think people will go? Yeah, I knew you were headed for this type of a career.
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Or will they be, like, shocked that you couldn't come out to be a doctor or a lawyer? An engineer? E think that they probably they probably be shocked.
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I don't plan on going on, Lee because I think that the sport is so new and and you either get it or you don't.
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Because actually, man, I'll get messages from people that I used to know in high school, asking if I need sparring partners for my next fight.
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And I'm like, Are you really that ignorant of, like, what is happening like, Are you really that stupid where you think that like you can help out in my foreign sessions? Just because we knew each other in high school and used Thio used to get in fights in high school.
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Uh, so no, Definitely not gonna be attending that.
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So I don't have to have that conversation a million times.
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Well, all right.
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I humbly reconsider.
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I I didn't go to my 5, 10 15 20 or 25.
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I went to my 30th, and I actually had a beast in time.
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You always think because I was a weirdo and I always think like, Well, you know what they're gonna be like.
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And sure, it was a little It was still a little cliquey and a little this little that, but actually, some people took a little interest in in my career is being part of them in the media.
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I can only imagine.
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I think I think for the most part, once you sift through those three or four numbnuts that that you know, they they want to train.
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You'll actually see a lot of people are probably proud of you for representing the school and all that.
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Yeah, sure you might.
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Yeah, you're You're definitely right about that too.
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Actually, man, like I mean, I'm from Colorado.
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I still live in Colorado, So a lot of my really close friends that I had my entire life.
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I'm still really close friends with now.
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So, uh, but yeah.
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I mean, it might be nice to catch up with some some people from the past, you know, because they're not trying to fight me.
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You didn't think it was weird that George had a five year re union? Like, how much each other? That E O man.
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All right, Uh, Corey, I still want to talk a little bit about your performance, man, where we blown away when we were watching this fight Because you were always one step ahead, and you just had this calm look to you.
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It was a different demeanor.
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Um, what was it? What can you attribute it to? Was it something that you saw on tape? But you just seem so comfortable the whole night.
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What? What can you attribute that performance? It was It was like what I was talking about, man, Like, I practiced a lot on fine tuning where my head needs to be before I fight.
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And I did that every single sparring session for this entire camp, and I'm going to do it in every single sparring session in the future because, um, you know your mind is your mind is in control of everything.
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So I'm really good at convincing my mind that you know it Z before a fight, that it's almost invincible, you know, like, uh and that's where I was before that fight.
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Um, I remember just a couple of thoughts trickling into into my head right before that fight, and I remember getting a little bit nervous and getting a little bit scared.
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And I remember having complete control of telling that fear like, Hey, man, you have no home here tonight like you have no home.
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You're not going to help me here.
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So I was fearless that night, you know, And, uh and but it was just ah lot of me just practicing being in that mode, you know, like being in that mode of like, this isn't winning or losing tonight like this is living or dying.
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And I and I think that if I can, you know, like, put myself there, I think that the body will really respond well, Thio to that.
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And it will put itself in a position where where it's incomplete survival mode and Onda body is a really, you know, it's like a really ancient.
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It's a really ancient thing, you know.
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It's a really ancient organism.
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It's like millions of years of evolution of keeping itself alive.
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So if I can convince it that, hey, we're going out here and where either living or dying I think that its response to that will be will make me perform at an incredibly high level and have an incredibly high level of confidence.
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And I think that that's what that's probably what did it for me.
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And in that Morris fight.
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After a win like that, you have your corner manure getting interview.
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There's all kinds of things that happened.
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But the first moment when everybody goes away and it's just you, what were your thoughts about how the night went? And did you feel any different than any other night? Yeah, that that honestly, it it takes a little bit after a win and a loss to kind of like feel like I'm back to being myself.
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Eso that usually honestly, it takes about a week.
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Um, it takes about a week for me to be like, Okay, now, now I'm kind of settled in.
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You know, But I do remember when when I do kind of come back to myself.
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There's just like, a lot of gratefulness, man, because fighting is a crazy sport.
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And no matter how good you are, you can always lose, and, uh and it sucks to lose.
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And, uh, it's just like a lot of gratefulness for just being, um being it feels like allowed toe win on that night.
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You know, I don't really know how else to describe it, other than that, well, you don't do it too often and you know, when you look over at your record and the way you've been able to bounce back after a loss is very impressive.
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Um, the last loss, though.
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Al Jemaine Sterling.
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I think in a division like yours, we feel like all you guys, we're probably gonna end up fighting multiple time.
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You're probably going to see him again.
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But when you see him the next time, are you hoping he has a belt around him or you hoping for more of a fresh matchup? I don't care.
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I you know, I see a lot of guys and I've even caught myself in a lot of trouble.
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having too many opinions about who they wanna fight next, having too many opinions of, like, perfect scenarios in their own heads of what's gonna happen.
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And I've kind of abandoned that.
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That type of thinking, you know, like the UFC is really taking care of me as faras opponents and stuff.
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Whoever they give me next is great.
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And if it's al Jemaine with the belt around his waist, then great, if it's algae may not with the belt around his waist.
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That's great to, um, so it really does not matter to me.
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I'm here to fight anyone, And that's been the case since since I since I got into the sport and, um, you know that that's what I'm gonna do.
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I'm just gonna keep fighting whoever they put in front of me and and keep doing well, and then everything else will solve itself from there.
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Will you do any version of a camp for the next couple months? Keeping an eye on yon versus um, Sterling on December 12? You know, just because obviously you're you stand out of the number one contender to those two and also well, I guess answer that one first Yeah, definitely.
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That. That's my plan.
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You know, uh, more ice landed one really good low kick on me.
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So I'm trying to do my best to kind of keep it moving so that it doesn't get weak, and I don't let my body get two weeks.
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But, I mean, that's the plan, man.
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Like, right? Right when I can't get back into Not maybe hard, the hardest training in the world.
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But, you know, like, if I could be 80% for the next month and a half until until and kind of, like, feel out whether or not those guys air actually gonna fight, especially today with, like, the coronavirus and all of that jazz.
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I mean, weird stuff is gonna happen all the time, so I mean, I'm definitely gonna stay at about 80%.
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Yeah, and and then the part two to that question was gonna be, you know, like Connor McGregor didn't wanna be any form of an alternate or stand by.
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Michael Chandler gladly took that role for this Saturday.
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I guess that was gonna be my next question was if you would even offered you that, would you do something like that? Yeah.
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Of course, um, they they haven't said anything to me.
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Uh, maybe they will. Maybe they won't.
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But either way, uh, I understand that I'm right now the number one guy that would jump into that spot.
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So I'm not gonna be stupid and just, you know, blow blow that away because I don't want to train, you know, like, I'm going to definitely keep myself prepared.
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And I have No, I have no issue.
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Or my ego has no issue with being an alternate for for that fight.
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Okay, last question.
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You told us in the past about the work that you've done with the kids.
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You know, that was a few years ago, kids were growing up.
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Have any of them kept in contact with you or reach out to you and just tell you about the inspiration you've given them? Uh, no, they're kind of young man.
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So they're like, they're 6 to 12 ish, you know, and most of them are a lot younger.
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So when when I bring up and then a or they find out that I'm a fighter or whatever, they think that I'm fighting John Cena and on I'm part of the W W e you know, So I don't You know, they don't.
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They're a little too young to really understand what what's going on.
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And, uh, and s so I don't get too much of that.
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Honestly, I don't really like talking about it either, just because these kids do come from like, a long line of trauma and really rough upbringings.
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And you know, I don't I don't want, you know, some type of unnecessary feelings towards me for what I do, and so So I kind of just try to keep it on wraps.
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Okay, Well, understood.
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But either way much respect, Thio, your work that you've done and what you share with us in the past, that was an outstanding performance.
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I'm telling you, we've covered the sport for a long time.
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And those fighters that take a loss like the one that you did, a lot of them take that second or third and all of a sudden career could go in another direction.
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Um, that that was very impressive for you to come back from that, and not really, if you think about it.
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You know, I handle a lot of the rankings for USA today sports and Mm, a junkie.
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We call it a round robin.
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You've each kind of take each other out now, you know? So it's still kind of even even though Sterling's now just in the position of I guess he really had the first of the three losses between you, Mariah and him.
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And so that's why he's fighting Peter Young.
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But I'm telling you, you're all gonna fight each other.
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This division is gangbusters.
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Deal shots come back.
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Cruz hasn't gone away, although just joined the ranks.
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Edgar who? I mean, this is an exciting division, man.
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I know you're gonna be at the top of that division, uh, possibly and probably maybe even wearing a strap, because another thing, we're in Vegas, and I hear the talk.
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You've been the favorite and a lot of these spikes and a lot of them just say the guy does everything very, very well.
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So keep on doing your thing and a risk back to your your humbleness and and all that.
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And that's really, really refreshing.
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Yeah. Cool, man. Thanks a lot.
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Any time you guys want me on, man, just just let me know.
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Thank you.
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Appreciate it.
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man.
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Take care of you guys. Do right? All right. There you have it, folks.
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Corey san hanging the sand, man.
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Uh, couldn't be a nicer fellow.
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Yeah, it was super cool.
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Very, very motivating.
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You started off today like a monster.
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Yeah.
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You know, I was told that a few weeks ago is well, so maybe that's what I just have to do a little, you know, little caffeine before and, uh, just get into it.
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I went for a nice little brisk Excuse me.
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Now on bourbon.
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A brisk walk before the show.
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So that was cool.
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Came in, got a little haircut, took a shower, and then boom, we were ready to go.
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But you know what it is is a lot of times these athletes also lift lift the morale, I guess of, you know, it's it's a lot more special to start off with one of these guys or gals.
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Cory's number three.
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It goes young Sterling and then San Hagen.
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And he's the number one contender, too young and Sterling, who are fighting on December 12.
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For those of you that don't know that that's official, that fight is happening.
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In fact, I already know some additional info.
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The other fight that night is, um, Megan Anderson is going to challenge Amanda Nunes for the featherweight title and Amanda Nunes.
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She's in the main event.
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Sterling and Yang are in the co main event, so I'm just going to get into it right now.
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Goes Let's tackle a tough subject.
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I know where a lot of people know where I'm headed, but I guess it would be out of respect to a man in Nunes and the five or six title defenses that she has the title of goat, meaning the greatest of all time.
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When it comes to womens ova, may I can agree with all that.
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She's also the heavier weight class because featherweight is 1 45 and Bannon Weight is 1 35.
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So, really, do you? So you can just say, Why wouldn't we, right? However, at the same time, the UFC is tricky.
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The UFC just kind of does the old, you know? Well, you know, they they slipped the puck by the goalie, you know, in many different ways.
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And isn't yon Sterling really the bigger fight? I mean, much respectful manner news.
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But the one criticism that's always been heat her way is she really doesn't sell many paper views now.
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The last years, so we haven't known as much about pay per view buys, you know, it eventually comes out through the ESPN era, but I don't know, I guess I used to hear more pay per view talk when it when it was surrounded.
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Maybe Connor McGregor and John Jones.
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And other than that, not many people bring it up.
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But I do know that when when she did fight at times, ah, 1 100,050 you know, she's She's somebody that needs to be partnered up with another champion.
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But again, isn't yawn and Sterling the big ticket on this card like, isn't that the better fight of the two and again, no side of Amanda.
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She's so impressive that I don't think too many people are given Megan Anderson a chance.
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Or has she slipped into the Mike Tyson realm where nobody had a chance against Taison? We just wanted to witness the destruction in a minute or two or three minutes.
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Whatever it took.
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I think it's all of the above.
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The easiest way for me to figure those things out are just If I'm in Vegas and there's two doors and one says Yann and Sterling and the other one says Amanda Nunes and Megan Anderson, Which one am I gonna walk into? My answer is pretty easy, and I think most of them a fans.
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Their answers probably pretty easy as well. And you're right.
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It's no slight against Amanda Nunes.
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You put the right name there that the name cyborgs next to their I'd probably go to that point before I would do the other one.
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Um, it's not a female versus male thing.
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It's just that's just the way it is.
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And I agree.
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I probably would have put the other one on top, but at the same time, I mean, she is a dominant champion.
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She's murdered.
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Yeah, a little bit more of a respecting Who knows? Yeah, I always wonder, What's the trade off between what's really the bigger fight? You know who's got the main presence on the poster, who's walking at last all that stuff on.
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I can't always get a feel for the consistency or the lack of inconsistency.
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Sorry.
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What I really should say is the consistent lack of it inconsistency from the UFC.
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So you think we would have kind of figured them out by now? Like Look, that's Segway into another topic, Dana White said.
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It would be ludicrous to think that McGregor versus Poi at 1 70 would be the way to go to anoint a £155 number one contender.
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Because we know that the winner of that fight probably gets the winner of Habib versus just engaging.
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Why would it be so ridiculous when he thought cowboy at 1 70 he was willing to do it? Then I'm telling you for People have said that was impressive.
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McGregor, you and I next You don't think that you think the U.
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F.
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C would have told her be No, no, no, no, no, We can't do that.
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They fought at 1 70.
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He's not a clear cut number one contender yet.
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Hell, no, they wouldn't have done that.
00:24:02
So again, Why go down that road? Is it still just only the hard cores will pick this off.
00:24:09
The other millions will eat whatever I give them pretty much.
00:24:13
I mean, I think I think if you look at the things the way they are. Right now.
00:24:18
You see more and more fighters that air just kind of individually jaded at different times.
00:24:23
And right now, Tony Ferguson, that's one of them, right? I think little things like this start to add up to the point where now fighters are starting to be annoyed by it a little bit.
00:24:33
And they're starting to realize that they have a little bit more power, not the ultimate power.
00:24:37
But they have a little bit more than maybe what they realized in the past, and they're starting to get mad.
00:24:42
And that creates problems when they're trying to book fights.
00:24:45
Uh, so I don't think it goes unnoticed, but the UFC can kind of do whatever they want.
00:24:52
And you're right.
00:24:53
I mean, they do need to be called on on times when they're not being consistent but really quick, going back to Amanda Nunes and Megan Anderson.
00:25:00
The only thing that I can think of George and this is a conspiracy theory guy goes here.
00:25:06
If I had to figure out why they're doing something like that, maybe what I would say is this Look, we're trying to book Ah, big boxing match with Amanda Nunes, and we can't do that if we're making it look like she's not even important enough to be at the top of the UFC card is, the only thing I can think of is, hey, they're planning for the future and there's the possibility of that big Claressa shields fight or something else and they're saying, Let let's try and make this girl is biggest.
00:25:33
We possibly can.
00:25:36
I don't think it's that one.
00:25:37
I think maybe, um, there's a lot of truth to what you're saying that in the future that that's gonna be some sort of a big fight.
00:25:44
But with them being on ESPN, there are a lot bigger than than we, uh, that we know.
00:25:51
Like, for example, he's already saying that this fight is trending Toby bigger than Hobby versus Connor, which sold 2.
00:25:56
4 million paper views for the company.
00:25:59
And remember, uh, that that that's the record in M M.
00:26:04
A. And it's one of the highest in combat sports.
00:26:06
The only ones that have beaten and I believe our Pacquiao vs Floyd Floyd, then Connor versus Floyd, and then there might be a Canelo vs for I don't know But it's up there and and I'm thinking, you know, what's the first thing that I thought about when I saw that goes when he said that I was like, Where were these trends when Paula and Tony just wanted a little bit more money and they could have been the coming of it? You know what I mean? Like, if that's a dude, that's a lot of money, and I know ESPN has now They get pretty much a lot of that money because they sell the paper view.
00:26:40
You know, the UFC gets a standard figure, but I know that the UFC as when when that figure just goes even higher than 400 or 500,000 or whatever it is that they that they received compensation for when it goes higher than that, the UFC still gets a little bit of that dough.
00:26:58
You know what I mean? And there's still some sort of a trickle, I imagine in the deals because you see sharp on that end that they use the deals that the UFC has done.
00:27:07
We deliver a certain amount of shows we deliver a certain amount of paper used or whatever, but Where was that foresight? Where were those binoculars back then? Because again. Oh, yeah.
00:27:16
And Ferguson? What could they have been asking for, man? A couple 100 grand.
00:27:18
More, you know, I don't know.
00:27:21
Could could they have seen that? Should that have been on the car? No disrespect, Michael Channel.
00:27:25
I'm not trying to take him off, but remember, that was an issue.
00:27:27
And that ties into what you said about Tony Ferguson.
00:27:29
The headline on Junkie, If you go on Mm.
00:27:31
A junkie right now is Ferguson lashes out of white.
00:27:34
He says, Why do you treat me like ****, man, that's powerful.
00:27:38
Like I read that I was like, Man, I gotta unpracticed and read the last few stories from both sides.
00:27:44
Why? That kid feels that way because I do spilled a lot of blood for the You see, he's given us a lot of exciting fights, you know, it could be that that he has a **** good point again without knowing without being a fly on Mike Pence's head.
00:27:58
I mean, a fly on the wall of the UFC.
00:28:02
You know, maybe Tony came in and said, Pay me 10 million.
00:28:06
Well, that that I get.
00:28:07
Okay, I'm on Dana Side, but I don't think so.
00:28:10
I think those guys were just fighting to get a certain amount of pay upfront, and it doesn't seem like that.
00:28:15
Can't come out of a budget that's training to be the all time biggest paper, if you ever.
00:28:20
Yeah.
00:28:21
What I wanna know, though, is this harmless fighters.
00:28:24
Can they keep it real? In other words, if you're right, if it is an extra 50 grand 100 grand, whatever it ISS.
00:28:30
If that's added to that fighter, well, let's just say Tony Ferguson and Tony Ferguson comes out and loses.
00:28:37
Is Tony Ferguson then gonna be okay the next fight? If they go now, you're making less because he's basically saying Pay me more because of what I've done.
00:28:49
Well, then, wouldn't it be fair to say you're no longer doing that? That's why you're pays going back down, right? Like I think that's kind of possibly I think I think a proper negotiations shouldn't be just relied on X's and O's meaning wins and losses.
00:29:04
It should be.
00:29:06
It should be like some sort of, uh, remember when Thornton Melon and back to school was walking around and all those experts were doing his homework and some guy presented him this big old fat notebook.
00:29:16
And I think that was his literature term paper or something like that.
00:29:20
They should walk in with something that says these air the ****ytics.
00:29:23
This is what happens when I fight, win or lose, which I mostly win.
00:29:28
I'm telling you again, this is what happens.
00:29:31
You know, this is how things are.
00:29:33
You know, these are the numbers that that are generated.
00:29:36
This is what has happened to other fighters when they fought me, Win or lose, their popularity has gone up.
00:29:42
These are the numbers.
00:29:43
These are the ratings that I saw on ESPN or Fox Sports one back in the day.
00:29:47
These air, the reported pay per view buys associate ID.
00:29:49
This is the growth that I've taken every single fight, you know, something that just other than just like Hey, man, I won and I deserve more money because that's what other fighters get.
00:29:58
It has to be something where you, you know, sat down to guys on either side.
00:30:02
You know, glasses ties, something presentable like that.
00:30:06
That that that expands on your case.
00:30:09
I agree 100%.
00:30:11
It's basically what you're worth is you're showing them what you're worth.
00:30:14
Its right, And you're putting it on paper.
00:30:17
The only problem is, when you get to a certain point, uh, if it were you or I and we say, Hey, I'm a junkie, this is what we're worth.
00:30:25
It's right here.
00:30:27
But mm.
00:30:28
A junkie said, now we're just not feeling it.
00:30:30
We have options of doing other things, right? The question is, what is Tony Ferguson do? They tell them you can't fight no more? What has he done in his life? To prepare himself for whatever is next, right? Some fighters have it.
00:30:44
Other fighters don't.
00:30:45
And the UFC knows that.
00:30:46
And that's the problem they get Thio.
00:30:49
Well, not only that, he's a good point in in the sense that you and I guess you could say Well, Okay, See you.
00:30:54
Thanks, junkie.
00:30:55
Whereas he Yeah, he's tied to the contract.
00:30:58
He can't even go to bare knuckle if they're going.
00:30:59
Hey, two million to fight.
00:31:00
Come over here.
00:31:01
You know, dangling the carrot.
00:31:03
Um, so, yeah, that they are shackled a little bit, but I still think a fighter can have a case even coming off a loss.
00:31:10
Connor versus Nate.
00:31:12
He made Nate bigger.
00:31:13
You know the night Nate made him bigger as well.
00:31:17
I mean, they contributed because those numbers just kept getting bigger between those two.
00:31:22
So both guys deserve bigger paydays coming off losses, you know that.
00:31:26
That's why that third fight should be a mega fight.
00:31:29
I guess you just have to do it with, like I say sound and hard evidence, and I think they'll write the check.
00:31:36
Boy did something because he said eight in full.
00:31:39
That was a tweet from him about three weeks ago.
00:31:41
That's why he's getting talked about now with Connor McGregor.
00:31:44
Tony Ferguson hasn't reached that point.
00:31:46
You know, I don't know if he will.
00:31:47
He's part of the same management group as Algemeen Sterling and Colby Covington, and I remember saying, You know, could it be that group? Are they a little aggressive? Are they going to high? But Covington thought he came to some sort of an agreement recently, and, uh, I'll domain just signed.
00:32:03
He's fighting on December 12th against Peter Yang, so I don't know, because it's something specific to Ferguson who knows, but they need to sort that out because that's too good of a fighter to for him to be once a year, he's gotta fight two or three times a year.
00:32:17
A lot of these guys and gals, I think, could and should.
00:32:21
Uh, I don't believe so much in the 20 year career.
00:32:24
I believe more in the 10 career year where you could win, make burn.
00:32:29
Sorry as much in 10 years, and you can't across 20.
00:32:32
I don't need you to get your brain rattled around in practice and in fights for 20 years.
00:32:39
That is a long time, you know, You gotta make the most of it.
00:32:42
What you can think about NFL running backs or something like that.
00:32:45
I think the average lifespan there is like 3.
00:32:47
5 years.
00:32:48
The top guys.
00:32:49
Frank Gore.
00:32:51
Uh, Emmitt Smith.
00:32:54
I mean, a few of those guys have had long, long distinguished careers, but usually that doesn't happen.
00:32:59
So hey, room.
00:33:01
If you were an upcoming fighter because a lot of us live in the M M.
00:33:05
A bubble right, you're in upcoming fighter.
00:33:09
Would you want a manager? That's kind of in that enema bubble or one of these other managers.
00:33:16
That focus is kind of like on Hollywood NFL, but they're diving into mm, a little bit because I used to think, Give me the m m.
00:33:24
A bubble guy all day because he knows what's going on and all that.
00:33:29
But I'm starting to think like these outside the bubble groups that have come in, they have a different mentality, and it's almost like they can't be pushed around by the UFC or where they can't be told.
00:33:41
Well, if I'm gonna give you this deal, maybe this other fighter on your stables gonna suffer something like, I don't know, I'm at first.
00:33:48
I was kind of nervous when some of these guys did this, but I think it's actually paying off.
00:33:52
Yeah, as you were talking, I was trying to compute it.
00:33:56
Remember when CIA kind of came into the fold? They represented came Alaska's, I believe, for a while, todo and Kevin leaves with GSP, you know, have they done anything that's been outstanding? Well, maybe maybe a couple, Maybe they got him into Reebok or monster or whatever.
00:34:19
Uh and then and then I think back to the guys like Ed Soro's back in the day.
00:34:27
Ali Abdel Aziz Audie Atar.
00:34:30
The like the cowl brothers, you know.
00:34:34
Okay, audio tar Got a Puma deal for Izzy.
00:34:38
The collar brothers got Nike.
00:34:40
John Jones, Uh, Ali Abdel Aziz on that front.
00:34:46
I don't know.
00:34:47
He's had his much like I like that one windfall, but his fighters seem to get paid very, very well.
00:34:54
So I think that the negotiation tables where he shines, he's, I think he's able to leverage the deep roster that he has a swell and it comes around.
00:35:03
It's not like one guy constantly gets used to get other people, because have you ever seen the harmony on the dominance team on social media? And I know all he gets accused of.
00:35:12
Well, it's you, you you're controlling on the account.
00:35:14
But I don't see it that way because I think eventually a fighter would go *****, stop tweeting.
00:35:17
You know, like I'm not that in love with another guy in the store.
00:35:20
They all seem pretty, um, seem to get along and they seem toe bought into a system.
00:35:26
So do you answer.
00:35:27
Your question goes, I think the the ones that have put their time in the Butler's the colleges.
00:35:34
All those guys seem to maybe squeeze a little bit more using that long tenured runnin mm a versus the outsiders.
00:35:44
Um, I'd have to be proven wrong on that.
00:35:47
Somebody would have to go.
00:35:48
Yeah, I'm from C A.
00:35:49
Look at this.
00:35:50
And then I might stand corrected, but I don't remember that.
00:35:54
I don't remember guys coming from the outside and doing anything remarkable.
00:35:59
I'm thinking gsp getting that middleweight shot.
00:36:03
He did get in your armor.
00:36:05
Hold on.
00:36:06
He did.
00:36:08
He did get under.
00:36:09
I'm thinking, What was He was very back then or anybody else because I was such a long time ago.
00:36:13
It's really testing my memory.
00:36:15
Ed probably had a hand and Nike Brazil for Anderson.
00:36:20
Um, I don't know.
00:36:23
I don't know.
00:36:24
Uh, I don't know.
00:36:28
TJ's with Tiki.
00:36:29
Now he's no longer with Syria Kings.
00:36:32
Pretty much retired.
00:36:35
I don't know.
00:36:36
I'd have to see, but I don't think I've seen anything to golden coming out of fighters represented outside the M m a bubble.
00:36:44
So I don't know if it's worked or not, because look, I don't care how sharp you are.
00:36:47
I don't care if the real Ari from from Entourage sat down across from Dana.
00:36:54
Why? I think Dana White still has the ultimate.
00:36:56
This is the deal, pal.
00:36:57
And if not, we're ****ing moving on, you know? And he has the case study to show it.
00:37:02
We moved on with without Tito.
00:37:04
We moved on without BJ.
00:37:05
We moved on without a £155 weight class.
00:37:08
We moved on after Rhonda after Brock, after Connor and easily just keep throwing shows.
00:37:13
Why? Because there's new stars that pop up.
00:37:16
And I think he's created a business where it's pretty much successful, no matter what and really goes.
00:37:23
Rhonda Connor, Habib, Brock Jones.
00:37:28
All those are our cherry on Sundays.
00:37:32
You know what I mean? He's constantly serving up Sundays.
00:37:35
I mean, they're all delicious.
00:37:37
You finish it, you go.
00:37:38
Man, that was awesome.
00:37:39
I can't wait till the next one.
00:37:41
And like I say, when those guys come around, he just Sprinkles in a little bit of those extras on it, and it's even more delicious.
00:37:47
But really, that company is super profitable.
00:37:50
They don't need any of those guys, but when they do come along and they blow up like Mas Vidal as of late.
00:37:55
Bam, Perfect.
00:37:56
Even better, you know? And so that's why I don't I don't blame those guys that say this is my number.
00:38:02
I know what you're up to. I know what you're doing.
00:38:04
Then they stand firm, aswell stood firm, and then you got paid, you know? But, um that also comes with repercussions.
00:38:12
Because when mas at all lost to tomorrow Zeman you could hear him on the tape on a fight Island declassified, telling Dana White, give me a six week camp.
00:38:23
I'll be ready.
00:38:24
Um, I know I could beat that guy, okay.
00:38:30
And so playing hardball didn't get him the fight.
00:38:33
Originally, he came in with one month.
00:38:36
Sorry.
00:38:37
With one week to go, he showed up and fought.
00:38:39
But you could tell the competitive spirit.
00:38:42
He felt like, ****, you know, like, Okay, I got paid.
00:38:45
But now I'm not champ, and I know I can beat that guy.
00:38:48
I need to get that proper 68 week camp and then really, really make an attempt to beat that guy.
00:38:53
When do you do that? And maybe possibly sacrifice the leverage that you have to getting paid more because that's where the leverage came from.
00:39:00
What burns? He can't fight.
00:39:02
****! Now what do we do? And then model makes the call.
00:39:04
I'm ready. Let's do it.
00:39:05
You're gonna pay me.
00:39:06
You know what I mean? Yeah.
00:39:07
Can I Segway into something? Yes.
00:39:10
Okay.
00:39:11
You're talking about the Cherries on top of the Sundays and on how there's just constantly new crop.
00:39:17
Have you been watching? Embedded? Yeah, I've gone through three of them.
00:39:21
Okay, I've gone through three is well, because their fourth yet? I don't know.
00:39:25
I don't think so, though.
00:39:28
Michael Chandler.
00:39:29
That's a cherry right there.
00:39:30
Right? That a pay per view, cherry.
00:39:33
But you could do a fight night around him.
00:39:36
He's obviously the alternate, but he's not a pay per view Cherry yet, but he could blow up.
00:39:42
Maybe he's got He's got something to him because now, if you could say if he could give her b the first hell along with being the ballot or the former Bela Tor champion when you could brag about having two belts and having beaten hobby Hey, Benson and Eddie, like all time great lightweights.
00:40:01
Sure, your stock can rise and now it just matters about whether that registers where Charlie Sarin is tweeting.
00:40:07
Dana White.
00:40:08
Oh my God, he's awesome.
00:40:09
You know, that's that extra level of of supers****om that I don't know if he could reach that right away.
00:40:15
He reminds me a little bit of a GSP, his personality and just the way of people gravitate to him a little bit.
00:40:21
Yeah, another guy that I'm very, very glad because this happens in our interviews.
00:40:27
Jared Cannon ear got a lot of face time, and people have been able to see how charming he is and how funny and just he's just a straight up nice guide.
00:40:38
And it's because you know he looks so menacing in the cage and all that, but he's a really, really nice guy, and you see him interact with a lot of different fighters and the crystals, and you know he's got that side of him.
00:40:49
But I'm glad that he was able to shine a little bit here, and I hope that he could blow up a little bit more.
00:40:55
But it's just dude, if you're at the top, you're constantly looking down.
00:40:58
There's people looking to right up at you, like I will take your spot at any second.
00:41:03
You know, just engages another one like that.
00:41:05
Dude is just so much fun to watch.
00:41:08
Yeah, man, I'm telling you, the UFC has an incredible business.
00:41:13
Early on, it was a struggle.
00:41:15
44 million in debt.
00:41:16
54 with the production off the ultimate fighter Season one.
00:41:20
And then Bonner and Griffin put on that awesome fight.
00:41:23
Spike gives them more money for a season.
00:41:25
Two more stars were being made because of the show.
00:41:28
You know, Diego Costa, Kenny.
00:41:30
They came out of that.
00:41:31
And boom, there are often running.
00:41:33
But I think I think one of my examples used to be in the past.
00:41:36
It's like they're a cartel.
00:41:38
They got all these tunnels and submarines and you know, aircrafts.
00:41:42
And sure, you're gonna catch some of them.
00:41:44
You know, we couldn't get that load through or this load through, but so many of them do get through, you know, and it's just a matter of time.
00:41:50
And yeah, Chandler could turn out to be pretty big.
00:41:52
He's very well thought out in his in his way when he talks, sometimes he shines even the most when he's just a little bit of a square and he said, and he called somebody a nerd or sometimes he'll just get on Twitter And, you know, like he called Tony Ferguson out using the capital letter on first letter of every word you know and says, Hey, man, you had your chance.
00:42:10
So he has a little bit of a pushback that gives them a little bit of a swag, but he needs to get the results.
00:42:15
He's not coming over as able a tour champion.
00:42:18
Remember Pit Bulls? The champion? He's coming over as a former belt or champion, but this could erase all that.
00:42:23
If you were to be Khubbieva Tomoko Madoff and a couple title defenses.
00:42:27
I think you're right, goes.
00:42:28
He does have some of that GSP charm I'm still thinking of, uh, when he called was a, well Brooks that he called the nerd.
00:42:37
No, no, somebody called.
00:42:39
Yeah, I thought he called him one time a nerd on Twitter.
00:42:42
I remember, he said.
00:42:44
Did he just call me a nerd? Sounds good.
00:42:46
But then he also told the pit bull, Remember when he said, Beat it, nerd, Possibly he's one of the fraidy brothers, so that that seems a little bit of face.
00:42:58
But look, the UFC paid him well, and he's not coming over his champion.
00:43:03
So there might be some ****ytics on Michael Chandler.
00:43:06
They see how popular you are, your social media.
00:43:09
You know, when you show up to a job, you show up and say, Look, I went to college.
00:43:12
I did this or why have this experience here? You know, whatever.
00:43:16
And then they either give you the job or not.
00:43:18
I think that's the same thing with with them and may, you know, you hopefully come with way.
00:43:22
More wins and losses.
00:43:23
Hopefully a win Street, hopefully one some belts along the way at the good good presence on social media.
00:43:30
And I think TFC goes okay.
00:43:31
It makes sense.
00:43:32
That's right, the checks and if not the not or whatever.
00:43:34
But he got it, you know, good for him.
00:43:36
And I think he's He's been blessed, actually, and, ah, lot of his free agency belt, or pay them handsomely.
00:43:44
The two times he was a free agent, you know, and didn't come over to you see, and then this time he's coming over and he's getting paid well and by the way it goes.
00:43:51
And I did a sit down with Chandler about a week and a half ago, so there's been, like two or three recaps that have come out of the interview that we did with Michael Chandler.
00:44:00
And along the lines of those recaps, you'll see the video highlights.
00:44:04
So that portion of the interview that accompanies the recap Oftentimes you missed out on the whole interview, and that was about a 40 minute interview.
00:44:14
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00:46:00
I mean, if you're if you're one of those guys that just kind of goes off of the main card starts at this time, like now you gotta watch social media because a lot of times George and I get in here like an hour early.
00:46:12
We just love doing it, so make sure you're with us for the whole ride because it's gonna be a really fun card.
00:46:16
It's a great card in, like, if they know what's correct.
00:46:19
This is gonna trend to be the biggest card ever.
00:46:22
Yeah. You know, you definitely don't want to miss out.
00:46:24
And for those of you that are wondering why they're doing it early, all the other fight nights in Abu Dhabi have been prime time for us recently.
00:46:31
Late over there, I think the fight cards have been starting like at midnight, 1 a.m.
00:46:36
two a m.
00:46:37
And then they fight till, like, eight, the moon.
00:46:39
So all the fighters have been basically showing up 10 hours.
00:46:42
Sorry.
00:46:43
10 days earlier, going through their quarantines, fighting jetlag and programming their body to fight at that time over here were like business as usual.
00:46:52
We haven't really been aware of the sacrifice they made over there this time.
00:46:56
They're fighting in prime time over there to accommodate the audience in the Middle East and Russia, where Habib Tomoko Madoff is a monster.
00:47:05
He's gonna be watched probably on free TV in Russia.
00:47:09
And s o the UFC made that exception.
00:47:11
And that's why it's gonna be an early edition for us.
00:47:13
10 a.
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00:47:16
That's us here on SportsCastr.
00:47:18
The pay per view starts one hour later.
00:47:20
So we'll be hanging out with you guys like ghosts at an hourly Watching those, uh, those problems and yeah goes embedded has been awesome.
00:47:27
I've loved it.
00:47:28
Did you watch Fight Island declassified? Still haven't now not all of it. Sorry.
00:47:34
Okay, um, John Morgan did an article on it and he basically reviewed it along with timing in on his.
00:47:49
His time there at Fight Island is where what he observed and what matched and, you know, it's pretty good.
00:47:55
It's really, really detailed.
00:47:56
It's a It's a long read, but It's a pleasant read, actually shot up a message yesterday, and I think people would like it.
00:48:04
But of course I think you know nothing beats watching the video as well, because, you see, there's a lot of great storytelling from a lot of the athletes.
00:48:14
For Dana White.
00:48:15
For the UFC, the people behind the scenes, there's big highs.
00:48:20
There's low lows.
00:48:21
Um, it's really, really great.
00:48:24
The only thing I wish is that Ron Perlman would have been the narrator there, But man, that thing was great.
00:48:31
I cannot emphasize it enough.
00:48:34
Put that ahead of a movie on Netflix or any other plans that you have that weekend.
00:48:41
Watch it seriously.
00:48:42
Watch, especially we could get it in before the paper you. It's uneasily.
00:48:45
It's an easy watch.
00:48:46
It's four episodes, about 45 minutes long each so you could probably binge watching here between now and Saturday.
00:48:53
Cool.
00:48:54
Yeah, Tomorrow at this time, maybe around this time the fighters will be good way, and then we'll have an answer.
00:49:00
Maybe even late tonight, depending on you know how they're figuring it out over there.
00:49:05
But that that's pretty close.
00:49:06
I I've seen the fighters.
00:49:07
They're being very respectful.
00:49:10
Um, so this is a fight card that's selling without pushing and shoving, yelling, cussing, none of that.
00:49:16
So let me ask you this.
00:49:18
Those millions of people that are gonna be watching it in Russia, cheering on Habib, they're gonna be happy, and they're gonna be disappointed.
00:49:26
I've been asked that a lot.
00:49:28
And this is what I tell people.
00:49:31
Habib has not only not lost the fight, he rarely loses rounds to make a bet with conviction.
00:49:40
Meaning a lot of money tow back, just engaging.
00:49:43
I think it's foolish.
00:49:44
It's foolish to say I'm batting 1000 on them.
00:49:47
All right, let's say you make 50,000 year and you have some disposable income to gamble and have some fun.
00:49:53
And so your average bed is a 100.
00:49:55
I guess the 100 should be the top that you should put on gauging, because if you lose and then you go over there thinking the ****ing guys never lost, he readily loses rounds all he doesn't take people down, wrapped his legs around him, trapped him, trap a wrist and beat the **** out of people.
00:50:08
Submit him or whatever.
00:50:10
What was I thinking? that hurts, you know, they just Postlewait $100 especially with black Friday coming up Christmas.
00:50:18
Um, so maybe even do something less.
00:50:20
Take a chance, you know, take a chance on G.
00:50:23
I get it.
00:50:24
I'm not against that.
00:50:25
But don't put a ton of money on a guy who who against the guy that you know has shown us.
00:50:31
I mean, the tangible evidence is there in his record.
00:50:35
Now, has he thought someone like just engaging? No, just engaging has a lot of formidable attributes.
00:50:43
He's got power in his hands.
00:50:44
He's toughest nails he doesn't break, sees, got amazing leg kicks.
00:50:50
De he's got experience going 25 minutes because he's been a world champion before.
00:50:55
Over at W slf before it became pfl.
00:50:59
Um, he's lost.
00:51:00
He's not scared of losing.
00:51:01
He already got past that.
00:51:03
He was actually an undefeated fighter into the 18th or 20th fight of his career, so he's had a little bit of that feeling where you just walk on water and you're indestructible.
00:51:12
That guy, if anybody does have the attributes to beat her, be so would it shocked me if I'd be lost.
00:51:18
No, it wouldn't shock me either, but I still feel like bet, but bet smartly.
00:51:24
Um, don't put a lot of money on either side.
00:51:27
Kick back and enjoy it.
00:51:28
If you wanna make a lot of money, then maybe grab G in a small parley with a few other fighters.
00:51:33
And maybe you could turn your 100 into 1000 or your 25 into 500 or whatever the math is.
00:51:38
But I, you know, going to the head.
00:51:41
I take a beam.
00:51:42
Of course, my life depended on it.
00:51:43
Take a B, but more than likely I'll be bed engaged because of the odds.
00:51:47
I think I rethought Joey Odessa, noted oddsmaker Joey Odessa's take on the word value.
00:51:53
He says, I hate that word.
00:51:54
Don't use it on I go.
00:51:55
Why he suppose you shouldn't bet on a fighter because he has value.
00:51:59
Used to bet on the fight because you think he could win and he has a point.
00:52:03
But isn't that the value? Well, that's exactly I rethought it and I thought, Well, wait a minute, that's the first thing.
00:52:10
That's the first thing I think about when I'm judging.
00:52:13
I don't just go.
00:52:14
He can't win, but there's value.
00:52:16
I don't say that.
00:52:17
I always go get a win, and there's value in the huge odds that you get.
00:52:22
So I think I gotta have a meeting of the minds with him and go.
00:52:25
I've read that.
00:52:26
What you said I just wanna added that amendment to that or whatever, but I think G has the ability to win, and he has that kind of value, I think.
00:52:35
Thio FEMA Lopez also fell in the same boat when he was fighting Vasily Lomachenko last week.
00:52:41
In boxing, there was value there, and he had the skills, the wind.
00:52:45
Now, did you firmly believe he was gonna win? Well, no, you gotta firmly believe in one of the two.
00:52:49
It's usually the favorite for reason, but still doesn't mean that they're indestructible.
00:52:53
Lomachenko had brought a lost into his into that fight.
00:52:56
Seemed like he had never lost before.
00:52:57
Abby hasn't but still, Yeah, I think that word can be used a little bit more loosely, like people have been using it, and I think there's there's a play there with gauging.
00:53:07
I feel like if Lomachenko would have lost, you could look back at some of the rounds that he I mean, he did lose.
00:53:13
But you look back at some of the rounds that he gave away, right? That's something that you never get from Habib.
00:53:19
He never gives anything away.
00:53:21
You have to earn it.
00:53:23
So you know it.
00:53:24
Just engage.
00:53:25
You wins that fight.
00:53:26
It's because he had to climb that mountain.
00:53:28
He had overcome something horrible on the other side.
00:53:31
You get a very honest fight out of Habib, so it's very hard to take just engaging.
00:53:37
I've always said if somebody's gonna beat Habib, it's Justin And after that I don't think I would probably never turn in any other name other than Habib.
00:53:47
But I did kind of come to reality and say, Look to just to pick somebody other than Habib.
00:53:53
You're just not paying attention to the fax.
00:53:55
You're not looking at everything that's going on.
00:53:57
So I turned into a B.
00:53:58
But I think Justin has ah, very good chance.
00:54:01
I think he's that type of fighter.
00:54:02
That could be Yeah, you need a wrestler, you know who can hold their own and stop what? Take down or two.
00:54:10
Get up from a takedown, mitigate the damage of a takedown.
00:54:15
But you also need to be ableto have hands, you know on because Habib has developed Cem Cem striking some formidable striking.
00:54:23
And so you gotta be able to not only match that, you've got to be better than that.
00:54:26
So when the fight remain standing, you have some sort of an advantage.
00:54:30
Um uh, man, uh, Chandler has hands.
00:54:36
He can wrestle g his hands, he can wrestle.
00:54:40
Um, but you gotta be able to stop some of the take down.
00:54:43
Not all of them.
00:54:44
The beef seems to get everyone down.
00:54:45
Even GSP GSP used to go against a lot of wrestlers.
00:54:49
Jon Fitch wrestle that produce Josh cost check, Wrestled at.
00:54:55
He was back in the sand.
00:54:57
No, no, he wrestled in in New York like Edinburgh or some small school.
00:55:02
But he was a national champion, you know.
00:55:05
So he came across the Marceau Jake Shields.
00:55:07
Jeff wrestled at San Francisco State.
00:55:10
So my point is, GSP wrestled people that got to a higher level than him and wrestling, except his wrestling was very effective from May.
00:55:16
And then he matched it with ground and pound.
00:55:19
Three ability to have good writing time and seek for some submissions, and that's why he was a beast.
00:55:26
So we'll see.
00:55:28
Man, I think Habib has been teasing that Dagestani wrestling is just better for Emma than American wrestling.
00:55:34
We'll see.
00:55:35
We'll see if even just engaging wants to do it.
00:55:38
Just engaging.
00:55:39
They only want to stop it, and that's it.
00:55:40
You may not even want to take the take down against the B.
00:55:42
I think it would behoove them to get one, take them and get some damage and getting, Habib said.
00:55:47
And know that.
00:55:48
Wow, I gotta be leery of his Take them.
00:55:51
But Justin is not like that.
00:55:53
Justin's a zombie.
00:55:54
He wants to throw hands.
00:55:55
He wants to get in car crashes like Corey have standing and said earlier, Is he gonna throw that leg kick? Though They were big weapon for him, but I just don't know if he's gonna throw it against the guy.
00:56:08
That's probably hoping he does.
00:56:11
He should throw it to end his combos, like Dos Rudin says, to just throw it out there early.
00:56:19
If somebody can time it and get it and you get you get taken down in the first minute and you're underneath the B for four.
00:56:29
Your gas tank just went down.
00:56:31
You just took some damage.
00:56:33
You just lost 10 9, possibly 10.
00:56:35
8.
00:56:37
Because remember, the 10 8 round could come through the three DS damage, duration and dominance.
00:56:43
You get two of those three and a lot of judges air righting an eight next to your name.
00:56:47
If you were on the on the receiving end, What does that mean? Well, if he was on top, then that means he had the duration and he took it down in the first minute.
00:56:57
Had you down for four minutes.
00:56:58
There's the duration.
00:56:59
But if you were able to lock him up and hold him well, then you mitigated the damage.
00:57:04
He won't get that.
00:57:05
What about the dominance? You know, where you turning your back? And then he beat you up, and then you would get back, regain guard, maybe.
00:57:12
And he still stood on top and he just dominate you in every position.
00:57:16
Or maybe even went from guard toe, half guard, past toe, full amount to take your back back to, you know, on top.
00:57:24
Did he also dominate you while you were on the feet? You know, again.
00:57:27
That's what goes into those 10 8 rounds.
00:57:28
You gotta make sure you don't want to give up one of those.
00:57:31
And Habib has the ability to do that if he gets to take down early.
00:57:35
So I think early on, you wanna be in a little bit of the lower stance.
00:57:40
Uh, and you don't wanna, you know, going back to what else do you want to just give a kick away and having catch your kick, and then I'll soon take it down? I don't know, but at the same time, do you want to not throw kicks because of that? You gotta balance it.
00:57:51
So a lot of time.
00:57:52
So be it is really, really good about covering up.
00:57:54
I think if you could throw a combo and then and then the combo with a kick, then maybe you can get some of that damage in on some of those, uh, you know, on on those thighs, the lower the lower leg kick has become way more effective, It seems like, and that's obviously touch. Tougher to catch.
00:58:11
Um, could you do that? Justin's had fights stop from the thigh kicks, but the lower leg kicks uh, I haven't seen him have as much success with those.
00:58:23
Like other fighters, I think it's difficult to replicate somebody like just engaging in a camp just because Justin, he's wild.
00:58:31
But there's technique behind his wildness.
00:58:33
You know the punches don't come from traditional areas like he's throwing him from from on, almost like Tyson, like Tyson could throw a power punch from just about any position off balance.
00:58:44
On balance, I don't know how you prepare for just engaging.
00:58:47
I think that's the part that's probably gonna mess with Habib a little bit, Um, is trying to figure Justin out, but that's kind of that time that just engaging needs to implement his game.
00:58:59
And that's where I think the winner is going to come in this fight.
00:59:01
It's going to be the guy that gets off first and put put all their chips in.
00:59:06
Yeah, I mean, when you get them thinking about what you're doing, um, you're right because you seem to be less focused on your offensive attributes.
00:59:23
Unless you're a seasoned counterpuncher, then they're They're they're at an advantage, for sure.
00:59:32
I think that reflects in the judge's scorecards.
00:59:35
Um, that said, I do want to say counterpunches for a while.
00:59:39
That strategy is tough.
00:59:40
And mm a Because if that opening isn't there and the other guy is just a little bit more active than you, but not as offensive.
00:59:47
But you weren't able to do anything off your counter strike.
00:59:50
You no offense.
00:59:52
Guess what? You've just given away the easiest 10 9 ever.
00:59:55
And then the other guy only has to maybe get you down at some point or or just wind around.
00:59:59
I've seen a lot of fighters take split decision.
01:00:01
Loss is again.
01:00:02
My man Jorge Mas without comes to mind.
01:00:04
He realized it a little bit late.
01:00:06
That kind could have been a superstar 5, 10 years ago.
01:00:10
You know, he fought for the world title at Strikeforce at 155.
01:00:13
We lost to Gilbert Melendez.
01:00:15
You know, he was part of L. A.
01:00:16
Torre's.
01:00:17
Well, hey wasn't able to grab a title there.
01:00:20
And then he was in the UFC and dropped a couple split decisions that still had the hurt.
01:00:25
Ally Quinta was one of them.
01:00:27
The Wrens Larkin was another um, you know, So these were fights that are within his reach eso.
01:00:34
What did he do? He started to become a little bit more offensive.
01:00:37
Hey, even had a setback in the Stephen Thompson fight.
01:00:39
He wasn't having success in that one.
01:00:41
But in the door until fight.
01:00:42
Remember, he got knocked down.
01:00:44
But then he was able to come back and get there until down.
01:00:47
So, yeah, at some point, you have to be the leader of the dance.
01:00:50
Yeah.
01:00:51
Alright, folks, that's our episode for today.
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This will toggle your microphone ON or OFF.

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Original Audio for viewers

When toggled ON, viewers will hear both the broadcast audio and your microphone. When toggled OFF, your viewers will only hear the audio from your microphone.

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Original Audio for You

Toggle ON the original audio ONLY if you are wearing headphones, so your viewers don’t hear an echo from your speakers.

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