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I just feel that especially forwards the hardest to adjust.
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And, of course, Rick, change the questions like I'm I e produced to say I'm saying this is what I think you have to produce to stay here.
But do you think that Do you think that French value well, he's prove this year that there's something that I know.
People are sick of this, but it's like you have a guy in typical who values that defense.
And if we don't get a killing Hayes, if you don't get the point guard of future and we don't get a Dragic, assuming logic is healthier that stuff because I I want Rogic.
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They had to do a ritual.
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I mean, I'd rather just go up one spot or two for Killian versus going up to get Lemelle.
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He has some scary, scary, very scary.
One thing about Lemelle oh, that I would make the argument for is that I feel like you could turn back around and trade them.
I think he still has a skill set enough that even if he doesn't pan out first year, maybe second, like Lonzo Ball, I feel like you could still treat him three years from now.
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I feel like it would be harder to trade him three years from now.
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I feel like that's like a lock.
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Because they need Halliburton.
Albert Albert for everything they need, They need They need a secondary playmaker.
You need three point shooting.
They need a backup point guard for tram.
They need somebody to cover up tree defensively.
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I'm thinking we're taking Opiate eight.
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Okay? Not one more.
All star break, like five years away.
You understand how you could do that out on a team that has nothing like I would feel like if this team after would not show the second half of last year.
And some of the I know something is only five freaking games.
I thought that he like What? Don't you see the chance to like to be ultra aggressive to say, effort? I'm just taking many attempts I need to take try to draw as many files, and he just seems like a good cop.
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I rather knock second year than than knocks his book because knocks rookie year was just a guy running around with his head cut off. Yep.
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But here, e I feel like you need so much from the team.
That may be good, right? To make him good in office.
Like I don't think so.
He doesn't play well off the ball.
Last year when he was getting a hey sucks that cutting you can't But you said he missed.
He missed a lot of open threes last year.
A somatic with his floaters.
Like Chris Rock said.
Like Chris Rock said about about the dude that got his G D and said that he was ready for college.
Obviously, high school was kicking your ass.
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I mean, he has a YouTube.
He has, like, three times when he literally hit the ball back into his own, his own basket.
How many times you catch a rebound and it went out of bounds because he fumbled him going around him.
He's come see Well, yeah, yeah, that's one of the things that I'm holding onto because he started playing baldly.
So that's why he lacks.
She lacks field.
That's only gonna happen with more with more.
Also, Rick, I will love this.
If this was like a second round pick, this would be a I always say we will give Kevin Knox time.
If he was drafted in mid spot and Mitch was drafted in his book.
Agree it would be better for Kevin Knox if he was drafted in the second round.
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P j debilitating back crap, man, I'm not, whatever a to this point, he's here.
And like I said, you see what he does within the you will know early.
We'll know early what he's been doing for the past year. Off season.
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He had won the last year.
People think he's doing that.
He's doing that.
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Randall at his workout videos.
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Well, no earlier.
But how How would he? So it tips off, Obviously. One small corner threes.
Right? So not probably gonna get those more opportunities on.
You guys have a better feel about Thibodeau's, um, offense for, like, wings and stuff.
Right? Because you guys remember, I'm just I I don't remember as good, but in what ways? You see them using knots That's out of corn of three.
Is how do you see Tom Thibodeau using knocks are for the season.
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But I was calling Thio.
That's still be Tony Snow Way should hire.
Maybe, maybe, maybe somehow somehow he becomes blue Elding.
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Uh, Knox will be Lou all Deng.
And then I was like, Oh, yeah, Frank's gonna become Derrick Rose.
Knox is very, very playmaking, though.
He's going to need somebody to be a playmaker.
Thio get him to get him shot.
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I just asked you think? Yeah, that Killian Hayes And finding that weak side e But we need a point guard.
We need We need CP three to help him out for good.
What about would be great Rogic? Roger.
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If my family has, he feels like a system a za lead guard for the Knicks.
He did, and then he doesn't even play.
A lot of he doesn't play a lot of lead golf elite guard for Toronto.
Thing is gonna be this would be the first opportunity doing that.
And then also, with that price tag and the expectations that's gonna come with it in New York, he's gonna get the guardian that efficient either.
No, he's e mean sufficient from three.
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Like he just doesn't.
Okay, Steve, I'll take him. That's the goal.
So who do you guys think is gonna be that? The breakout player under under Tom Thibodeau.
He's got both throwing. All right, Nick.
Rick doesn't believe this.
Okay, well, let me make it.
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That's a that's a gigantic leap.
Argued Could go from, what, 14 to 17 maybe 18 or whatever, e think.
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I think it's dfj, but at the same time, I do feel like Mitch would be the next next one because of the defense.
Tom Thibodeau, the cachet, All that stuff is gonna is going to ring home.
But wow, Kevin knocks out eyes.
That a breakout look, if if if not, if, If Mitch does, what he does, but starting is that you really think that's a breakout admission? Just the only difference is like he's not falling out like he's just he said, you have a double double.
Like he'd have to give you the 97 now, 22.
Yeah, 97 projects, like 30.
That's a double double anyway.
Yeah, like it's gonna lead toe.
I feel like what Mitch could affect if he plays 30 minutes per game, etcetera, etcetera, like it's gonna lead Toa wins.
I just I believe that.
And I feel like Knox being effective is not leading toe wins.
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3 points, right? Like, how is he gonna pull that off off the bench unless he's starting? And to me, his best position is power poured, which I would Randall will have to be gone.
So, like, there's is a cascade of stuff that needs to happen.
I haven't haven't given up on him as a small forward, so I we owe rebound good enough to play powerful, you know? Yeah, I'm more scared of him, E dude, A six.
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The fastest guys in the league are at point guard for the three, like they're just gonna book past night is not just the fact that way actually go up against bidding that we'll pass.
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Guys blew right past him on the way that we're like, they're already laying up the booth.
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You know where he's gonna have the opportunity.
He's gonna have the opportunity to have the opportunity.
I think that what he's doesn't have the opportunity.
But I think what charges that if he breaks out to that 18% shoots even it's not the greatest but say 75% from the free throw line give you 35% from three.
Right, which is, like, right around on slightly below league average, right, improve this official see right around the basket, right and play better defense.
He would be more in that leadership world right now.
You could basically have guys playing under him, which I think would be a lot more easy for a guy like tips.
As good as the coach tip tips is, you always need that floor general, right? He That's why he brought guys like Butler over to Minnesota.
He needed something he wanted or needed somebody to be a voice.
And despite the fact they had all that talent on that team, he still brought over a guy like Jimmy Butler.
That's why I say, Well, R. J.
Barrett, you have basically, you have, Ah, set cornerstone.
Now you can kind of draft.
You can kind of build around and you feel more safe around because look, R.
I like R. J. Barrett, but people argue that he's not it right.
You know, there's shooting his little Yankee officially.
Wasn't that good.
I mean, it's OK, wasn't the greatest what I'm saying.
You still have question marks about despite things a Rick.
I think he was a patient, so I think if he broke out and what I just said, you know, it's a lot easier for what we want to build the future.
If he's if he's that 18 guy, whatever that does that is eat like our best player on the scene.
Yeah, what better know what I'm eating? What? What what good team are even close to good team, Whose best player is giving you 18? Only, um, last year's next Zednik smooth team with 14 e.
I think he got up to 20 for guard.
20 is like for guard.
For point guard, 20 is like the equivalent of 25 because you know they're getting you assist all that stuff.
So for wind player 18 is low dogs.
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If we're trading for Russell Westbrook, give you Robert Covington.
I'm just saying, though, that even the worst teams, even the worst team, their best players given way more than 18.
Who's a Pisces? Pisces All got a 20 point guys? Well, it depends on what it depends on when you're looking at the Pistons once they treated drumming.
Yeah, Blake would would be also 25 point. Alright.
Um, so what is Vujovic numbers? He's like 20 points, right? He's a beast man.
Yeah, a the same time.
Are are you asking artery to be the best player? Because I think RJ should be developed to be the second best player on a playoff team.
You think you guys say that? But you look like that are do***entary.
Thinks he's the best player on the floor.
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Like he took the moose.
He took the big shots he took.
Put up the same numbers at him without taking as many.
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Like, could you see r j? Obviously you get a guy who's that good? Right? Magically, you get a kick coming. I'm not saying that we are.
I'm saying, Just imagine we've got a player who might project better or might way better than RG.
You don't think that he will take the back seat because you could still be a leader in a sense, like this one.
I call do anyway, when the best leader's right.
You know that year that you have LeBron, he put a better.
He put a better sassy did the year after, right? But he conceded to LeBron to basically a lot of LeBron to play this game.
No one, despite the fact he won a championship.
He had the pedigree had everything.
But you could see it to LeBron James on the court.
But still everybody saw him as the so called leader, right? Look at his cachet with this pedigree.
Barrett could take that similar role as Dwyane Wade, knowing that he's not e think you can? But I'm just thinking about the immediate future next year, right? So if next year your position where you kind of like simply, hand them the keys and are you so basically do you want we feel like that experience is is worth us sucking? Yeah, he says, your best player, you you're gonna stop really bad, right? Yeah, you're gonna be a bad team.
So Oh, it so if that's if you feel if you're thinking long term and you're like, Okay, you're fine with that because you know, 2021 draft or whatever or are JDS this experience or whatever It's it's It's the decisions you make.
You see one of the things one of the things that I always argue about the threat is about is about playing time.
The vets versus the kids.
This last year they made their decision in the also.
Once you sign Randall, you gave Portis 15.
You gave Elf eight.
Once you make those decisions, once the season starts, people can't be crying about Oh, wise health playing over.
You pay those guys, they're not.
They're not 40 year old mentors there guys in their prime that they're ready to play now.
So you made that in the off season.
So if your goal is to have RJ take on the leadership, you build the roster.
Coordinate, All right, I don't know why random double triple team because he's better than R.
J at the moment.
I'm sorry, I just i e It is because he's better than RG with the reason why he was bull guarding the ball and then, you know, waving people off because he's better than those those those cats.
We don't respect them.
So if you want RJ to be that guy, you gotta build the roster accordingly so that he's in position to.
But once the season starts, if there's people better than and you can't you can't buy good conscience, make him demand when there's other people better.
You can't e felt again a guy like Randall if you get him because I just felt like Oh, hell, no e status into the check I invite this months ago, man, This dude man E s o.
But see, that's why the whole brother thing.
Because it's like, even though I think that the brother was discussed before we have been, uh, got Randall, that's the thing about is like, if you get I agree, you're gonna build your team of summary around certain players.
You can't bring on guys like you can't bring on these veterans, especially big contracts, because they're gonna be expecting they're gonna have expressions like dogs.
You pay this money now, I gotta say and be subservient to so and so, Yeah.
I mean, even I think, you know, both of my bit different, but all right, I agreement.
I mean, thats why it is like you have to clean up the mess of the past regimes to try to go forward, but you're still trying to go forward and went on the fly, right? But for me, like, I don't care that I don't care that RJ is like, the third option he has to earn it.
Like, um, KP wasn't KP wasn't the primary option until the third year.
You know when everybody was gone, right? So you gotta you can't just force them into the world that you gotta, you know, pays him in, like, even Kawhi Leonard. Like Kawhi.
Leonard wasn't e.
Argies top three and co.
I was, what, 15th or whatever, but, like, still like you gotta you can't just force him into a role that he's not ready cause you're kind of setting them up to fail.
So stay in New York.
What do you want us to talk about? You've been arguing on Twitter about, you know, he's been crying about what he gives me.
I want someone that doesn't give me.
I'm trying to see e arguing about Halliburton.
Uh, Albert is going to Atlanta.
You don't have to worry about Halliburton.
Halliburton can play.
You're just e guess.
I guess State New York doesn't like Halliburton, but nobody might have a burden.
Dog e play with a guy like everybody in the top 10 really loves him.
Yeah, I think E Ivory Solomon.
I think you know exactly complement your executive.
Another being teams.
I'm talking about Knicks fans, though.
Knicks fans understand what it is that we need that point.
The only thing he brings is is some modi*** of of defense and three point shooting.
But we need somebody that's multi dimensional somebody that can create the defense with the drive.
Why would you say he brings some modi*** of defense? He's a good defensive.
No, he's a good defender.
You feel that size that size is gonna hurt him in the right.
Yes, like one seventies from one and also and also Thio written me earlier.
Eso defense in college doesn't always equate to defense in the NBA right away.
That's the reason why I I phrased it like that.
You know what I'm saying? Not the fact that he's a bad defender of what I'm saying is how many dudes that were locked down in college come to the N B A and B locked down right away.
But you're gonna kill me.
I feel like that translates pretty fast, though.
Faster than that.
So, no, I was gonna say one, but freeze is going to kill me.
And I have stats, have stats approved of the pre is gonna kill me if I say so.
I'm just not going to say it.
I'm chilling, bro.
What, you you don't want e got you on my team won today, man.
I'm chilling, man.
Manchester United one. I'm happy.
You'll see Paces hired.
Uh, the raptors assistant for that? Yeah.
Do you have much another job? Mike Miller didn't get a did Tom Thibodeau.
Didn't they say that they were offering, like, if you don't get anything, they're gonna often like a a Steve with the team.
Wasn't it just like news on Mike Miller? I don't know, Like, I suppose some bull**** things saying, uh, if Jeff Van Gundy get, uh, maybe you guys, you guys maybe are, um, Graham.
Oh, and Nick, you guys can can already know your answers, though.
Based on the way you guys talk, I want you guys get it on this ongoing do.
Well, this old debate that used to be on the threat.
So when um when things started out the season like trash, it was a bunch of us that was just like, almost like Gates.
Right Now, let him play it out because whoever you bring in is gonna be a waste of time, because you're gonna hire somebody at somebody different.
Anyway, there's no point.
Just let them play it out at the end of the season.
But there were these other dudes on the thread.
That's just like, Well, this is is hurting the kids. And they need development.
And ultimately, Mike Miller comes in any place vets all the way to the end.
Yeah, he was trying to keep his job.
Yeah, he was trying to keep his job.
More politicians Booth.
At the end of the day, um, I feel like it was a waste with the top.
They felt like they had to make a change for the sake of the kids in their future and all that nonsense.
So I wanna know what what was your position then and then? Do you still believe that it needed to be done? So I know for a fact, or I feel for a fact that there keep engaged to get trouble, Lawrence.
I mean, they traded Oh yeah, E.
I'm trying, trying, trying to fit in.
I think about it.
Is that obviously how to draft works? Well, obviously it's not.
You can't just your way to the bottom.
That's why it's like it's not I would have loved if you could just get fizz or keep fit and try to, you know, Tank.
But something about basketball.
I think when you lose the locker room as a coach, football, I think could be worth it. Could be bad.
And he's for but I just feel like in a basket.
I don't know what it is, especially in New York once you lose the locker room, right? Everything about fish That wasn't I don't think, uh, e a e.
I wouldn't say e You're right. You're right.
Situation is not a gay situation.
I think with I don't know it just you saw you really saw nothing.
And with the young kids is just I saw maybe you guys saw develop the kids now hey, let RJ to do a lot like he had a point guard.
People were complaining about that too much, right? Let make you play too much.
But even the RJ RJ issue was with shooting and stuff for me.
Kid shot terrible.
And you saw spurts.
Like when he came back from the injury and he had games.
Yeah, I like that one game show like, I think.
Like four for seven or five or seven from three.
There's like a little while.
He had, like, a few games here, but I think I was with Mike Miller because I think you got came out Mike Miller.
Um, but it was they needed to be done in the old Mike Miller experiment that another funny thing about Mike Miller is like even you guys.
When you guys talk about former coaching, nobody brings up everybody Act like fizz was just fired yesterday Although I always bring a mic on a second and a lot of people, it seems like everybody always talks about Oh, yeah, Miller coach.
And it's almost like he was.
He's an invisible man.
Like he didn't even exist.
No, I think I think like, along with that, that win January 1st against the Blazers that he had that really beautiful one against the Nets, where we set that record for whatever the hell it was.
Or they said that record for whatever the hell it was the great Kenny Atkinson system e that he had to Bill passed.
You know, look, e se you.
So you felt like it needed to be done on a So me, both of you guys Who? Everyone e drunk.
So, um, I thought that because they needed to be fired, but it didn't have to be doing to seize.
Um um, at worst, he would have just had a bit of draft pick.
Um, you could sit here and say that? Yes, um, that Mike Miller did a better coaching job.
I think he actually gave them more defined roles.
Mike Miller did, but I thought that trail would have gotten more playing time.
I thought that Hey constantly went back to Dennis Smith.
I thought, trying to get him back to playing well.
Andi was trying to show confidence in him because member Fizdale did work out with in the off season and did promise him a starting position.
So with that being said, I thought that he would have tried to play the young guys more.
He was the first one to go toe Frank as the starting point guard.
Um, but of course, Peyton was hurt, too.
So, like from a young guy standpoint, I thought he was.
He did a lot to try to balance out the positions.
I didn't I had no problem with the amount of minutes that RG played, because LeBron played more minutes than him.
His rookie year, Dwayne Wade played more more, uh, his rookie year.
Kevin Knox played just about the same amount of minutes, and no one had a problem with Knox playing.
Playing that amount, Who cares? He was young, just like Fizdale said.
Make sure all of them would say the same thing.
I mean, R J had no at that age should have no problem with playing that many minutes because the MBA does not practice like it used to.
It's a different game.
You cannot compare the minutes and just try to make that a problem.
So, like Alfred, Peyton is where things start falling apart because he does not shoot well.
Frankly, Latina is another problem.
He does not shoot well, much.
Let's get to the basket and give you shot. Diversity.
The offense was supposed to be driven by DSG.
His stuff like everything about this year, was wrong.
I know Fizdale wanted to invest time in them and then also to remember at the beginning of the season, RJ and traer was your starting to one and two.
But that that was a better starting to, and we were in those four games.
We were actually tougher as a team back then than for the rest of the season.
Even after physical got fired that there's that if you had Arctic and also traced on every game, Trey with was a better shooting guard through at any point in time that any shooting guard that we had and RG was playing better point guard than both Frank DSE.
And also, if you wanna add the third, what's his name? Uh, Frank, Because, remember, RJ did drive to the basket.
Well, he was passing and he was averaging five assists a game.
As you are aware that the traer and R J experiment was only one half.
Yeah, the game with 20.
And then in the second half, he started else, and I felt my personal feeling of that was that he did that because none of the none of the point guard stepped up in the preseason agreed.
I'm not saying that he didn't like he had reasons for doing it, but at the same time, RJ still was, could get to the basket better acting well, so like, it made more sense.
And it was It was an experiment, and that's the kind of things I wanted him to do.
But it's like Random was an expense, so so.
But that that's all that again, that goes back to our point.
Like we would have we probably would have sucked worth one, lost a lot more games, but I rather I feel like, um um, Fist had, like, long term thinking he was trying dumb ****.
Um, e would have.
Would have went mawr younger towards the end when we weren't in it, you know, he was on a five year deal.
He's getting paid, no matter what.
So So that's what the That's what me and art were saying.
Like, I don't know why you need to fire him.
Just bite the bullet.
I mean, we knew this.
We knew this was a terrible looking roster.
FIS was super unlucky to like in the beginning of the year.
Mitch was a foul trouble machine.
Like he was always a foul trouble.
You know what's funny? Like, just sorry to cut you off, Mac with going back toe the off season.
Mitch had a chance.
And this is something I believe in.
Once you could play for Team USA, you could be an All Star.
Had the chance starting toe, make a team a team us 16 that needed big man and could not make that team because foul too much.
He didn't have the i. Q.
I said it in the chat.
Earlier on, Van Gundy was the was was his coach.
Van Gundy did not want him.
Mike Miller was on coaching staff to they did not want him on that team.
And, like, he could not make that team and then come back toe.
Remember, heat, the DeAndre Jordan effect that people like to go back to Mitch just just stayed more discipline.
I don't feel like DeAndre Jordan really did much, but at the same time, coming back toe this season, you got kicked off Team USA because he followed too much and then start the remember what he didn't suffer from.
Really? He was terrible.
Remember Summer League, Summer league? He was silent.
He was He was gonna a game.
He was goaltending, Every shot, he was gold.
You remember that right here? Zero was left, you know, some early he was drawing out.
He was walling out in summer league like he was just, you know, I can follow whatever I want.
You know, when you got invited in New York.
So you stop talking.
You just gonna talk over, Just talk over.
You think Phil's just call them dudes and said Get me five power for E.
That's because the way you got everybody state? No, he said.
He said So? So So that goes back to our point.
I put like way shouldn't have fired that we should inspired everybody at the clean house.
I mean, God forbid that.
Somehow they turned it around.
If that happens, fun.
But like if it played out the way that it looked like it was going to play out way have gotten some sort of Michael, should we got a a truly interim puppet head? Or who would have? Who would have said Hey, like he knows he's not gonna be a next year? Just say, Hey, get some experience, whatever.
So he's not feeling Hey, I got a place veterans to try to save my job.
Well, they messed up because way talked about when I told you that I felt like the next should have put Kaleb C****es in that spot because we know Carol C****ys is basically a offensive genius.
You know, I'm saying you can look at his track record with Portland and he was on our staff.
If I feel like if you'd had Kaleb C****es being that spot, as opposed to Mike Miller, Mike Miller was just riding the coattails of cats like Trey Burke and Stuff in the D League.
Kaleb C****es actually knows offense.
The only thing, though, is a cat like Caleb ****ysis.
He is not a what you call, um, head coach material, but he's definitely.
But he's definitely you know what I'm saying? Probably the best co pilot you can have as an assistant coach, you know, like every assistant coaches not built to be the head coach and Caleb ****ysis.
That plus plus Cable C**** is Mike Breen said it himself.
He was like he questioned it.
But But in the reason why he questioned is because Caleb C****ys is the nicest dude in the next building.
He has a He has open relationships with everybody and is a great communicator.
You know what I'm saying? So just by hiring this by putting Miller in that spot, I think you probably ruined the rest of the season because Mike Miller, even though he helped develop Trey Burke, he had, you know, he was not what you call Ah, great communicator.
He didn't prove itself with extra knows.
He just proved himself to be a good developer and they thought we could parlay that in development to the kids on the on the Knicks roster, as opposed to Westchester.
I think another factor is the staggered approach and firing is because once you bring in whoever you bring us, the interim coach Mills is still there.
And Mills is still feeling the heat that you know.
He wants to keep his job.
So he's putting pressure on the coach to play to play, you know, play whoever you give you the best chance to win, right? Uh uh.
Aloe Miller did was by Mills another month or so before he got fired.
Right? So you should let those guys they came, they came.
They came in together, let him finish out the season, and then at the end of season, evaluate them, fire them all and then bringing do a clean sweep.
This whole, this whole Mike.
Another thing all Mike Miller did was a card in the draft.
That z I don't see that What I'm what I'm disputing is because because I understand your point.
I'm not saying it's wrong.
What I'm saying is, is when the decision was made to move on from Fizdale.
Instead of inserting Mike Miller, you should have inserted the guy that helped develop CJ McCollum, and Jamila is what I'm saying.
You know, Steve Mills and Western, they're trying to save their jobs as well, too.
Okay, unfortunately, just had idiots one of the show, and they're not thinking long term, like, bigger than the different agendas.
Everybody had different agendas, right? That's I mean, jet, Same ****.
Where you bring a g m and a culture on a line.
Our envision? Yeah.
I mean, thank God they clean house now, but I mean to your point agreement.
Callous would have been again.
But we have an owner who doesn't really know basketball, right? So he's not been thinking on that level of Yeah, let me get a kill Callison Interim. Whatever.
I'm gonna get a new coach.
I'm a fire gm to whatever you don't have.
Birth c****s was standing right there.
Like, how do you overlook and now is stated right there.
James Old doesn't know basketball crazy.
Crazy e think KP levels was in within.
He was a candidate.
He was a candidate.
He just know it was Miller.
Pat Sullivan, Who are the two can? Yeah, but they But they it was predicted it was gonna be Mike Miller.
Even before this.
In the off season, they brought in Mike Miller as an insurance.
So he had the inside inside track towards the job track the whole way.
Yeah, and and to to just further point.
So Kaleb C****es work with R.
Barrett right at the beginning at the beginning of the season.
And what people forget is at the beginning of the season, R.
Barrett was averaging 18 points a game and was shooting 40% from three.
The only downside to that, though, is he was also shooting 40% from the free throw line, which was a major red flag for us.
We were like, this dude can't legit go to the basket, get fouled and shoot 40% from the free people online.
We have to figure out a better plan.
But before that, But like right when we recognize that the Knicks were like two and eight, and now you're like, Well, we gotta do something with the coach, and then everything goes haywire, you know, what I'm saying.
So we legit had, like, we have these pieces in place to do by positive stuff.
But when everybody has their own separate agendas like their own career arts and everybody's not bought into the ultimate goal, which is toe win, then we get all this mess.
You know, I'm saying, I mean, like, your friend says, If you keep Fizdale as coach, then I think you see a more productive year out of R.
Barrett, right? And listen, I'm not saying it is argued that Extend.
What I'm saying is is the data backs up the fact that Fizdale was using Arbor Day Barrett correctly.
Barrett had certain flaws in his game that he had to work on, like the free throw shooting and moves going to the basket way.
Know that now that the years played out.
But with Mike Miller, Mike Miller went away from R.
Barrett goes more to move, and then now you see the decline of Kevin Not and R. J. Barrett.
You know, that's what I want to throw it, because I didn't want you all to rip my head off a t the same time like you can't just say it's 1 to 11 like R.
Barrett, also like you said, shot 40% from the free throw line.
He took it upon himself.
This is where not to bring up Frank, but where it difference.
RJ calls up a shooting coach.
I can't remember his name right now and says, I'm taking you under room.
Um, drew heavily order head Drew.
Yeah, handling a trainer, This trainer? Yeah, but he's not his personal trainer.
He worked with them personally in the off season, but Drew handling does not follow.
Guys know he does like no trainers always do.
Nothing Drew like Drew works with Ben Simmons, all kinds of players.
But he but RJ rookie contract pays that one of the top shooting coaches to take him on the road with him to help him improve his jump shot like that's different from any other player that we've ever had before, and that that shows an accountability, a drive toe win, a drive to get better.
You know, he's the first career that I heard that as Allan Houston for tips.
Yeah, but you know, shooting coach stroke, he's the best room the next ever had.
You know something, coach, because like but okay, Michael Flynn is the best player on the planet.
He's giving tips.
No, he doesn't give.
He gave tips to Kobe.
He doesn't get tips that so he doesn't give tips to his own players.
Have you been to the Charlotte game? I'm pretty sure he doesn't give him like Dude.
He worked with M.
W. One of his name is For years.
There was this video playing against M. C. W.
But but Allan Houston Allen has shooting videos out there. You know that.
But he's not a shooting coach like OK, who in the world has ever said Allan Houston has improved my shot? But drew handily, I could say has improved people's jump shot.
All of people worked with what's his name.
E just said that to a point that that I think if if it's like the two pronged approach, like either you keep Fizdale and you see them continues to groom R J.
Barrett and the young and the young combo guards or if you have, if you have to get physical out of the building.
We should have went with cable C****ys.
That's all I'm saying.
I want to talk about Allan Houston.
No, he was just saying like, Oh, you could see that Argent gets it because he, like, wants to get better and brings his trainer and all that.
Well, so I think we're all in agreement that maybe just firing everybody at the end of the year would have probably been the better approach.
We needed to get rid of Mills, though, Like I don't want him.
Remember the trades the like.
The obnoxious trades that way could end up trading for, like, zero or something. Exactly.
Way wrote trades, trade rumors.
And then there was e o.
Would you be opposed to the low? Uh, depends what you give up.
Yeah, but like knowing Mills, what a treat, you know, try to treat from is different.
So those were the that should.
You're that guy.
This guy's been in basketball circles.
How many years, bro? Yogi, Emma.
There's pictures of him with Scott Laden with Antonio from the best man.
They showed pictures some of every year with like whichever, like, Hey was with Isaiah.
He was with hey, didn't know nothing for that.
Yeah, And, you know, like there was, like, a little hiatus moment that he was gone from the Knicks.
And that's why they get in the playoffs.
Oh, but when he came back next, we're back to being back.
Holy sh yeah, yeah.
The two years or so, where he left the years.
Yeah, that is That is the one.
The one scary thing is, if we If if we kept everybody is him trying to go crazy at the trade deadline to save his job, he wanted to extend Marcus Morris.
Yeah, he wanted to extend Marcus.
Yeah, I wanna be Oh, that's why I go.
That's why I go crazy over to things like, Why do we always need to sign a power forward in the off season? That right, that kills me.
And in certain, frankly, Lykina into every conversation.
Well, we didn't have We didn't have.
We didn't have Thio trade for powerful it until we traded away because that was four seconds or think it's yeah, but now a very opposite.
We picked up volley right. Who? The other four.
I mean picked up volley that offseason zone.
I don't know what that you picked up.
You picked up my boy Ellison Air Ellison in the with? Yeah, a big white guy. Yeah, the big white guy.
Not not Cornett, but like the other big a lottery pick by a market went to market.
And he went, Yeah, he was done.
He was the one and done, too. Yep.
Yeah, Jim, he's that e he just going to get Thio Perry's credit to Perry's credit.
That's what I noticed about Peri.
Peri was trying to take shots at these guys that, you know, we're we're flailing who were, like, former first round picks and see if, you know, he might.
He might hit on one way, was moody.
And, um, Booth floor and guys were signing roles.
Like trying to put all these, you know, misfits, right? It just misfits.
Just looking guys, like, even been Malcolm Macklemore.
He was almost going to bust level on the kings and he found like, Yeah, e Did you get that much playing time with e m o? I rather that I rather that approach because it's a clear it's a clear direction.
I rather than approached caps of misfits and mixed with some young players to see if you can build something.
And we only did it for one year, to be honest, only one year versus whatever we did last year.
Whatever he did last, it made no sense.
Just sign power forwards, give him a lot of money, and just it didn't make no sense.
And they only treated Morris.
They didn't treat anybody else.
That's crazy, right? So at least at least with the year before, I could see what they're trying to do.
You like you said it may not work, but I get it direction out of bond.
Take a shot and Mario take a shot at Henry Ellison.
These are all guys that were a It is when you when you take a shot on those guys, you gotta at least have development staff big enough to support the fact that that, you know, these players have flaws and work with them on those flaws.
Well, you did was we tried to outsmart the whole league, you know, I'm saying we were like y'all let these cats go.
Y'all dumb as hell.
We're gonna put them on the floor and let them develop in games.
That's not how it works, man.
They definitely works with e games with Brooklyn last year.
You know? E no alone.
Coaches drug Bush, George Bush Lor pet Sullivan, Kaleb C****es, Royal Ivey.
They're all working with the kids.
I have videos of them.
E was at the world e warm up to grow and e don't know what the f he does, bro.
I don't know what the f you does, bro.
I watched him and I was at the someone like the game.
They had a near Columbia, not the game problem.
No e take us through some behind the scenes, but it is just talked to players and talk to people connected players.
And then I don't know.
I don't see, I didn't seem given Our goals are goes to the practices are are as a tenant tenant prices.
What can you give me examples of like royal Ivey saw this.
Or maybe it was like physical on Keith Smart running in the thing, running the practices like and then they will have stations all over the court.
You know, stations, right? They will be doing drill different drills on each court, So yeah.
Yeah, You gotta play the scrimmage, right? They have scrimmages.
But like, uh, what you anything like I love those band of misfits.
They got something out of Moody A.
They got something out of only Yep.
Those guys were.
Those guys were practically out the league e a little bit out of a I'm surprised that they couldn't get something for of online.
Yeah, they chose not to do that.
They should have traded.
They chose Were e high going in by the time Yeah, e remember like, Oh, yes.
70 sixers want bomb i e.
But, you know, going into the trade deadline, he was His value was e got hurt, and then they heard the value.
No, I don't think so.
So why did they get rid of movie? Why they treat moody a man? Because, I mean, he went over Thio.
Utah was a whatever you wanna call him off the bench.
He destroyed the next one.
They play them, They dusted off moodier Moody was Moody is not even Utah.
Utah had once they once he actually was playing well.
And then once they created Xom for Clarkson and then excellent came in Exon's.
I mean, Clarkson was booked a year once.
You got to use our boat out.
So Moody was out of the rotation.
But when we played, when they played the Knicks killed like on they put the ball 20 on us zero.
You couldn't even look it up.
It's also embarrassing for him like, Yo, I'm only getting playing time because it is.
But you know what I don't care about? I don't care if it's embarrassing.
It's embarrassing for us that the team feel like you know what? I don't even need to play by Earth or second string guys.
I could just dust off your old trash blow, you know, shine a drop any on you.
Do you think we should have gave him the Marcus Morris Alfred Pain on Jae Crowder treatment like one of his 30 eliminate? Like as he's trying to shoot, that was it was crazy.
I miss the old mixed fighting, but like I wasn't proud of that moment whatsoever.
I was like, You know why I like dogs? We suck.
Like I was proud of that because they won the next game.
Right then they win the next game. After that.
Did they win the next game? I don't remember.
What I'm a problem because Marcus Morris got right on MSG and start doing ****phobic stuff.
Slurs and stuff like Jae Crowder.
E don't care, man. Marcus Morris.
Right guy? Wrong time, e guys.
A role player for a winning team.
E ***** Which one? E ****phobic slurs.
E mail E e directly to a female reporter with weight.
Reporters Hold my e love Marcus boy, he'll he's always looking for your bro.
Literally go back to where the Knicks are playing the Mavericks.
Uh, your boy friendly kid gets a still from Luca, I think all the time I said, look was just basically like walking towards.
And Marcus Morris was literally going over the pushing almost start a fight.
And look what? Just like yo, dogs like I'm I'm not do anything.
Marcus Morris wants to look.
If they're not winning, we're fighting, but against a crowd of the way that Alfa paying him in the air, bro.
You don't do that, man.
Like when somebody is in the air, you let him fall.
But after that snuff.
Yeah, I prefer I prefer I prefer Portis type toughness.
What touches? That? He had just make his eyes e o a spirited.
Ask Meritage about his tough alright, But he didn't do it for the Knicks.
Well, I guess nobody was fighting on with Should have punched Frank, Man.
All right, e o When my man look to the basket like five straight times porters was like, I'm about the end that **** right now, dude.
Bythe Wasn't that against the leaders? Um, he closed like somebody.
Was it the layers? I think it was It was against KCP or somebody? Yes, it was a stupid headband.
Remember that. Yeah.
I want toughness is not like at the right time, you know? I mean, like, you know, like defending somebody the right way is like, is not It's not like the nineties, man.
Like if you have a Nixon a more you said what? I mean, like, if you have like, No, I'm not talking about playing like that.
I'm just saying, like you rank high and defense and then for people versus freeze is gonna be mad in the freezer is gonna be mad at me.
But I feel like a lot of the frank fans got nineties nostalgia.
And that's why they love Frank so much.
Well, we Oh, they really do they really do that? Because they keep on comparing until, like, nineties players.
And I'm just like, yeah.
We're gonna have a backcourt of Chris Childs and Christmas Charlie Ward again.
I'm like, No, we don't want that **** in 2020 the last, the last rookie, the last rookie that that got in extension was What? What? Charlie Ward? Yeah.
I'm thinking to myself, What? Who has deserved an extension that we haven't given? Uh, he was the only one.
That's an indictment on the organization.
They're not draft.
They're not drafting guys Wanna hold up? Yeah, Somebody just said David David Lee, but they leave with a big money, so no, but that was a sign. And trade.
That was it was starting trend.
Yeah, he got attention.
Yeah, You did a Gallo and Chandler.
We're gonna get extensions But we treated them for Melo, so yeah, Yeah.
I mean, you know what? You know, a holy war.
Yeah, I gotta get a It's an extension way given extension of Jordan Hill.
No, Right, Sweetney? Oh, come on, E a little bone to pick with with something, Um, everyone likes to bring up the mellow trade right and say that Denver We gave up too much for Melo and all that crap.
All that technically is true.
Yes, but I will say this.
No one on that Denver Denver team that we gave up stayed healthy or as healthy as mellow, and no one produced as much as Melo at all.
We had also, even after we gave up Melo the chance to fix the team numerous times after Melo got here and they made bad decision after bad decision after bad decision e.
I'm not going to sit in the fundamental trade, but at the same time, I'm not going to sit here and act like we gave up the best guys in the league.
We gave up Wilson Chandler, who has never been healthy.
Um, Galloway, Gallo or whatever his name is, he still can't stay healthy.
still can't see Oh, this offseason.
So this thing with that trade, right Melo, is that I thought at the time was offensive supportive offensive talent, right? When my favorite players in the NBA, I like them since Syracuse A B c D camp.
But again, I think with that team because, I mean, I was tracking that team a lot at times where we were right, the seven seed HC about.
And that wasn't a team that even we got two players.
I was expecting us to get Molly walked and killed.
Right? But their season where we actually didn't ranked number two in offensive efficiency, efficiency right again, the sometimes the sum is greater than the parts.
Where the hell that **** saying this, right? So Gallinari, his biggest issue, obviously, was the injuries book with the not injured but back issues, right? He sometimes stay healthy enough Could playoff games, whatever.
But remember, it was the right.
He starts to make a turn around that.
Remember when Blake Griffin don't either him or Moscow off. I can't remember.
This My God. No.
You thought of that dunk.
They say like you get Moscow.
It's a very It's come and and literally after that, I remember Gallinari start driving to the basket.
I was one of the columns everybody had with him was that he was not driving to the basket drawing files after that.
Clippers seriously started doing that.
Wilson Chandler was in the world.
But remember, this guy came from the Paul with a Yankee jump shot.
And I believe that year or around, sometime around that year, he was shooting closer.
Almost close to, like 39 40% from three, right? He was world be.
There's not gonna be that right.
But you had guys him, Landry fields.
I know people to kill me.
But Landry Fields in that system was okay.
He wasn't as bad as you know. When you went to Toronto.
I think that Melo was better off just waiting for the off season because we're not gonna win anything.
There was no need to that treat.
You bring him in now.
He has a bunch of role play so you can pick and choose who you want to play with.
But he wanted his money, though I'm saying you gotta think about the next perspective.
Like the lockout moving.
You know, that was stupid enough to not.
And Melo could complain. All stuff.
Now he was supposed to be with the big three, right? Mellow If there's gonna be a lockout.
Fair enough. But Melo is a name.
I'm not trying to get into anybody's pockets, but I would think that he had something worse.
Come to worst. At least four years.
Had something to say, but one was greedy, right? Yeah.
Yeah, But next for pulling the trigger because, no, that's dumb.
But, dude, you you trained If you're going, if you're getting close to win the championship and that team, yes, you could bring Melo there, but as Nick just said, you're still gonna need parts to help mellow out.
And those guys may not not not even invent it.
But why not? See again? You might kill me for this.
I'm not saying that this was gonna be sustained.
That pick and roll with Felton and, um, our side it was effective.
Felt it was actually I'm not saying it was gonna be great, but with *** saying is right, there was other opportunities to still make the team better.
B e A about this.
What about this? Andi, this is to your point.
Do you think the team would have been better if we had Carmelo Anthony and Jamal Murray? If we had Carmelo Bribery Way wouldn't be.
We wouldn't like the whole thing that got messed up was Donnie Walsh picked up Philip's player option a few days later.
And is, um why would you do that? I don't know what you mean instead of instead of doing the amnesty on Mari.
Yeah. Exactly right.
No, but my point, my point was, if you if you do, like with Gamma said you still have all those players on your team, right? Then you have Carmelo, and you can also you don't know if you have Carmelo, you create you.
It was not gonna be o.
His wife was pushing the coming here.
He was not screaming Brooklyn Nets training.
You're playing a game.
You're You're arguing about a game of chicken.
I think the Lakers e don't know.
I honestly got okay.
I don't know this, but I don't think I think Melo was was bluffing.
But if this is poker is poker, though like you're You're blaming the Knicks for? For taking the sure thing versus versus Great.
I'm calling his bluff.
You don't They don't know what was gonna happen because he had the freedom to go anywhere, right? But he didn't come one of 10 4010.
We saved all that money for free agency.
Got nothing, Got nothing.
I don't think he was gonna last year.
Last year, we trade K p away.
Because you know what? Because? Because Dolan's on ESPN saying, like I got I got good authority that you know we're gonna be We're gonna be, you know, we're gonna be in play for we got nothing.
So I mean that Oh, call called Melas Bluff.
No, I think Melo had his heart set in New York.
I don't think, uh, Chicago or some time in New York.
His wife Did his wife say that I wanna interviews on ESPN that, like, yes or no? He said, Well, Melo said that Chicago was for real. Yeah.
Melo was not going anywhere but New York.
Better off in Chicago.
If Melo had gone to Chicago, where if there was no mellow way.
Yeah, we wouldn't have Jamal Murray way still didn't have.
But I think what Freezer is trying to say that e think he's just science and then got Jamal Murray.
What? That that team have been Melo.
Without the trade, we would have been It would have been a really good team.
But I can't just sit here and be like the mellow I've bluffed the Knicks and consider them like, especially because of the fact that I know we screwed up so many other opportunities after we got Bellow.
On top of that, I can't.
Okay, I can't sit there and put it on.
State of New York said Jews got the doctor.
Strange time Stone like bringing up man s a man like we're just bringing up hypotheticals, man.
Just know and see.
That's what I'm saying.
That's why I'd be wanting state to come over here, come on stage.
Because what I'm saying is I'm doing e They want a compensation.
A You agree? E think Melo was the next day they mellow whatever ****ked the Knicks into me.
Oh, man, it's not but New York and I give it to Melo.
A lot of guys who don't wanna come New York because they don't want that attention on what? That whatever.
I give it to know that you want to come in.
I don't think it's hard to sell any place, but I'm drawing parallel.
I'm drawing a parallel to the guys that were chasing right now, like the scenarios that we did a couple of hours ago.
When we're talking about what do we give up for Devin Booker? What do we give up? Zach Lavine? That's what I'm saying.
It's like it's, like, way in real time.
And then now, like I'm not getting rid of a book to go anyway.
I'm just saying, I'm just saying any story you locked up for years to, He's not going anywhere.
All I know is the one the one way the Yeah, the one, um, the one time where we did get the big star we traded from and the other time where we saved up, um, cap space, we got burned the other times where we save the captain.
We didn't get anything.
Yeah, so that's what I don't care if trade for Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook you think we should have kept Zach Randolph? Yes.
I don't understand.
What the **** was Isaiah Thomas thinking when he got Zach Randolph and Eddy Curry? After Jim Paxson said, Yo, bro, I will pay Eddy Curry 500 grand or whatever two big show you different play basketball because he might die on the court in Isaiah Thomas is like, not a large part right before beside them.
That was a crazy Eddy Curry.
I like that way.
We didn't draft Dave the bushel we traded for Dave the bush up.
They used to be.
Oh, they didn't know who Kenny Walker was.
Yeah, we didn't.
We didn't We didn't wait for David.
Bids would play for the Pistons, right? Dude, can you Can you walk? Is the dumb consciously Yeah, a statue of Liberty? No, but that's not really fit either, because everybody was drafting those tight dude, man.
I mean, everybody was trying to get those 67 super athletic dudes because of the Michael Jordan effect.
You brown over literal speedball like Jodie Wickens there, Gerald Gerald Wilkins, Right? Everybody was trying to get those super athletic dudes because Michael Jordan had established a new blueprint like you didn't have to get a 7 ft of, You know what I'm saying? That that would that can dominate download if you could get a Michael Jordan to dominate the wing.
But what I'm saying I mean, baby Jordan, Jerry, Jerry Stackhouse was.
But for some years, man, he was a solid how her mind actually had a good game and one.
So how wide it was Nice.
Make a e Don't know what the heck he did with his.
Like, I don't know what e e l love the Miami you watching, You know, you watch it.
I used to. I used to follow the Miami heat.
Um, way back in the day.
Like when they were the expansion team.
How about Michael's nice e e.
That's why I like you kind of got out of shape.
You know, he's the first James Heart you used to do that.
He used to do the whole, uh, on YSL plays with the ball handling and all that stuff and put step back threes.
How was it? Was nice.
You know who was nice? Who never got original like that.
Tony Delk was nice.
Tony, did you not get It's not Tony was not bad, man, but I don't know.
I don't know what these things we think of.
I just remember being green injured.
That's our knocks. That's hard knocks.
Oh, Tony, help! What do you say a whole lot about Danny Granger? Yeah.
Didn't Ranger died so poor George could come through that you could hear him and they got hurting him.
E I don't know that patients have a year.
Remember? With any Granger? Danny Granger didn't put the ball on the floor lot.
You know? He was very, you know, he didn't He didn't He didn't have.
Ah, he didn't have the greatest handle.
You know, he was long and he could shoot me.
Oh, just what? Get shooting.
But was Yeah, he was nice, man.
Rockaway was on the heat.
I wish you would have said that.
What? Art is calm.
You're gonna get out if I say that I've been turning over party.
I've heard everything.
I've heard everything.
I've been Turner with you.
You say what you say.
Evan Turner Turner with heart.
No, man don't do that evidence.
He play style play style style.
I'm gonna stay with the yoga laugh, but I think R.
Barrett is probably everything he's going to be.
I think he's gonna be Joe Johnson once his handle gets together.
His I say Hey, man, this is e waste for sports shoes.
What for? No focus.
Programs want investment raining trucking snipers of all time.
I want everybody is common.
We've got Johnson Free Z.
We got Kevin Turner Way What you got So Argentina play style.
I'll go with the Jalen Rose.
I like that one. Jalen Rose.
You don't think he's the empty daily rolls was okay, He's not.
Ron, man, he's not Rhonda.
Rhonda, Don't talk about my Johnny's Like that.
E himself and stuff.
That's the only crazy part about RG Now I can think of They're being super strong.
Those who are super strong e have a have a question on R J.
Are you gonna give me a comp or you need that extremely poor man's? Um Dwyane Wade? I don't know.
They're both aren't great shooters.
Doing what? It was a terrible shooting from three but mid range Dwyane Wade High.
I think Body control.
Barrett goes to the basket.
I think that, you know, for my eyes, I don't know what the percentages are.
It could be wrong, but I think that when he nobody thinks about three years.
Oh, hello, e don't see the Jimmy brother, But wait.
But the That's the thing, though, when you guys say those names, are you saying like career accomplishment or you're saying they actually plays like that? You think he plays like Jimmy Butler? No.
Uh, to be honest with you, I would, uh you can't.
But the thing is, you have to look at year one.
Jimmy vs, Yellen.
RJ, You know, if you look at it like that, RJ is ahead of Jimmy.
You know what I'm saying? I e a lot of people give cops, but the cops that none of the guys I don't think anyone of you guys the cops you guys mentioned uses their uses.
Their strength, like already does.
Joe Johnson way Dwyane Wade didn't use the strengthening driving to the basket or that body balance country whose name is flash here.
What do you think they call him? Flash? Because he was like that? No, no, no.
But I'm just gonna be so.
But Dwyane Wade would also use his body like he would draw contact purposely to kind of balance himself up for players when going to the basket.
Well, I'm just saying, like, that's what are J.
James? What's what's RJ's biggest strength in terms off in terms of traits? Isn't that isn't it his strength? Yeah.
Why do when people come up with cops, they never pick a player that actually utilized their strength as their main weapons? You know, Joe Johnson was 67 to 40.
Yeah, it was big, like ball handling and pull up Joe Johnson? Yeah, Yeah, he was posting up people.
He wasn't using RJ belly bullies his way to your boy.
Your boys stayed in New York.
Just said Lemelle A ball equals Penny Hardaway.
Yeah, I'm gonna ignore E c.
C. But that's my thing.
So I get I'm gonna say it right now.
So everybody killed me when I made this player when he was coming out of the driver, I made this comment and I got roped.
I got roasted on Twitter for this.
But Jamal, man, I said, Um, in terms in terms of the way he the way he scores it was, What's his name? Shabazz.
Yeah, but I don't think Shabaab's was like Arjun, though.
He was a He was a bully ball player.
He was a bully ball left handed player. That's not.
And then he shot spot up threes.
I thought he like I thought he shot more than more than our jaded, You say Beasley than you know, Michael.
Be better shooter.
No, Michael Beasley had had had a lot more of our offensive repertoire than RJ, so the only the only difference.
The only thing I will say.
The only difference with R.
J is that he's like Shahbaz Mohammed in the terms he scores, but he hasn't added element to his game that he could play make.
That's what Jalen Rose, part company.
Yeah, but in terms of you know what you know about him? I had Tourette's syndrome right? Yeah. Interesting.
Did it have, like, video of him talking todo after a guy layers out the league and they wanna freakin slander him? When he was coming out that he was He was the number one player out of his high school class, just like r J.
He was a just like Arctic in terms of like, left handed, not super athletic.
Super aggressive had the whole mentality, whatever.
They were very similar.
Very similar in terms of whatever.
You just No, no, that was That was years before o j male was Derrick Rose.
Remember O J Mayo to the two guys growing up that I heard so much about, Like O j e.
Okay, Mayo and LeBron all because o.
J mayo was like eight different schools.
But remember, game I didn't even know.
I didn't even know how o j.
Mayo will look just because, like, I was like, What the hell is this kid? And he probably was like when you watch when you When I first saw him, when I first saw him play in college, I was like, this kid grew up watching Kobe.
He challenged you was too young for Jordan.
But like you watch.
Just like when you watch Kobe the first time.
You're like, Oh, he thinks he's Michael Jordan.
Uh, Jordan, like schooling.
Do that with a male.
Yeah, Just like Yo, you don't You don't want this.
And then Jordan, you Jordan, you don't have less Stevenson's handle, Wesley.
You know what? I think you're right by the Shabazz.
Mohammed, though I'm looking at this highlights right now.
You might be right on that one.
You didn't scouting report and then take away with you.
Really? Scouting court. You think you're reading? You're reading.
It takes there Rick showing, you know, watching him play the right eye, watching highlights and play.
Right now, it's very comparable.
Even the way he handles the ball like it's comparable.
The only difference, the only difference with him is that he doesn't He can't play, mate.
You know what that is? Sure.
You know what it is called? I think