Don't Jaso keeps his dribble high when drives to the basket.
Sometimes he picks up his feet early, right? He's not the most adept at driving, Um, but is not, is not.
It's not like he can't dribble a basketball, right.
He's not gonna cross your he's not gonna do that stuff but to create his own shot when he stepped into the mid range when he's playing off of the defenders.
You know, sometimes when they finish trying to catch up and block a shot, you know you could do that little jab, step or whatever about the way hit the shot.
He could do that, you know? I mean so again.
I mean, he has a lot of issues, but compared to Naysmith, come on, dog, like, I think they're about the same.
Smith is a deadeye shooter, which is not a bad thing, but he's literally a deadeye shooter and vassal again.
Vassal was 20 again vassal.
All the average like 22% usage for they everybody on Florida State.
They all around 20.
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You strength of schedule is blows Vanderbilt out the water.
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If you don't think that was a better defender.
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I just feel like tunics point when you have, Especially if we play.
I don't know what today is gonna play, but I know he's gonna value defense.
I think a guy like vassal, I think he's just gonna have Ah, a slightly easier curve.
Obviously, I think point guard on the floor of the hardest position, right? Uh, but for a guy who completes his athleticism, Ghar A.
You played a six e under the guard, you play RJ the three, But a guy who has that type of length, I think it's just easier for him to produce, um, at a more so called acceptable level versus killing.
Hes gonna be expecting a lot.
Even in his rookie year, people will be expecting a lot from killing Jesus wing players like vessel has come in the league and produce right away.
What? Players like vassal.
A like a long guard of the shoot.
You mean Long? E came in with contributing right away? Uh hmm.
Recently or historically? Not many recently.
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2 points. 37.4%.
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I feel like it's just it's difficult.
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And like he took already.
You came right. It can handle.
I think Culliver is the closest cover over.
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He doesn't play at all.
Um, that went to Oklahoma.
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You guys gonna kill me? You guys don't kill me.
Don't kill me for this.
I'm not saying he's on the same level, but until my a, a small forward wing type of player contributed immediately.
Just going down some names at least defensively, cause I'm not gonna kill me.
Jason Tatum, don't kill me.
I'm not saying he's the same.
I'm not saying that.
I'm not that I know you saw a lot of that was a wing players that contributed what you said The wing player that came in and contributed when he first came.
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Waksal, you asked me for one came into the region, contributed quickly.
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The way, as you point you're saying about point guard is just is difficult.
I just feel that especially forwards the hardest to adjust.
Yeah, you say Yeah, small forwards.
Small was a heart.
Yeah, over the guard position for the way the guys play the game.
Now where literally, unless you're you come in like a dame Lillard, where you're seeing is like a Are they play off of you a guy who basically has to kind of lead the team Facilitate.
And you come from Aaron basketball where the high school level, especially au they basically play you to say score kills.
They're not working on some of the nuances of the, uh, but the one guard success rate has been like 50% on the lottery is like like it or miss hit or miss hit or miss.
So I don't What's the smooth winning is the guys haven't come in and and being early contributors, they've been it's taken time.
So I don't buy the full premise that hes because he plays point guard, is gonna have ah, more difficult time adjusting than no.
But if you have.
Ah, if you have a wing essentially, if you could play because lives wings, right, they kind of some as three d You take the shots in the corner, play good defense, rebound right.
I think that it's less of a specialized role versus or less of an error or whatever chance of Erin in terms of you fit in with in.
Because if you got a point guard who doesn't fit your yeah and then not looking figure that looking threes his He has a rule already, but he can't even do that little thing, right? But e, it's on the airways now.
I love him. That's my guy.
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Why don't you give your delayed size brick where he's basically saying that he doesn't hate Frank.
And he mentioned troll troll guys who like you know no, they deserve it.
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He doesn't hate Frank.
I don't hate frayed Chuck.
Art Chuck Art Chuck.
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This dude you check.
You don't hate Frank now, bro.
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He's talking about He was talking about e with my My point is we could talk about we could be talking about Michael Jordan's Fifth Rain and somebody waiting in the way way.
Talk about Like what? We're looking for a coach when we're looking for a coach.
Like, you know, what is he gonna do with Frank? Well, look, like this, like, way all frank this Frank that right? But you have a coaching values defense specially the backcourt.
And I'm not saying, but do you think now I don't think you're gonna get enough value to justify him staying here? I think me and Rick were talking about this on on Twitter.
Of course, Rick.
Change the questions like I'm like, e produce to stay.
I'm saying this is what I think you'd have to produce to stay here.
But do you think that do you think that friends value well, He's proved this year that there's something that I know people are sick of this, but it's like you have a guy in typical who values that defense.
And if we don't get a killing Hayes, if you don't get the point guard of future and we don't get a Dragic assuming Rogic's healthier that stuff, right, because I want Rogic.
But assuming don't get the point guard, he's gonna have to play somebody.
E don't think d J.
Fitz Tom Thibodeau's a prototype for a point guard, right? Um, you know Al for paying.
You know why even know he's gone.
Right? Going so frank.
Hey, Frank may not even be starting, but he fits Tom Thibodeau's idea in terms of defense.
Now, maybe not the prototype in terms of the I don't know, because he used to start Derrick Rose.
He was in a good defender.
Korver wasn't a good defender.
Who start was it was hiring still there when playing with Oh, I think it's not the best.
But who's playing with who is playing the two guard with Derrick Rose Korver? They had Brewer.
They had to do a ritual.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
His defender was blew out.
Deng, Really? You think it was a two way player? He provided him like close to 20 points again.
Tony Snell. That was later.
We'll put like this.
We don't have any scores of the two position either.
Like starting to shoot that, starting to guys either.
Uh, I'm just thinking, worst case in our our way.
I don't even know s Oh, man, I don't mean I don't hate Frank Miller.
Kidman is just when we have conversations like this and everybody bring up a great point.
If somebody always seems to slide to Frank Miller Kina storyline into the way killing pays a in all fairness frieze eu be slipping Naysmith in there.
Yeah, you are CIA level train, bro.
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Free Z, right, man? I just want him.
I don't care where we get him at.
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It's not like the way you could take out the booth.
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E don't want Thio.
Yeah, you might be carrying over Lemelle.
I would rather killing traps killing over the mellow, though.
Like like, But if I mean based on the position we're at, you know, Golden State talking about Mitch.
Uh, I'd rather I mean, I'd rather just go up one spot or two for Killian versus going up to get Lemelle.
Oh, you see, a very traits, man.
He has some scary, scary, very scary.
One thing about Lemelle Oh, that I would make the argument for is that I feel like you could turn back around and trade them.
I think he still has a skill set enough that even if he doesn't pan out first year, maybe second, like Lonzo ball, I feel like you could still trade him three years from now.
That's a good point.
Yes, that's true.
But at the same time, like Killian Hayes.
Because he doesn't have, like that cachet.
I feel like it would be harder to trade him three years from now.
You won't get as much mhm.
But I mean, a year.
20 people in head.
Listen, I spoke to this thing, man out of that man. I'm sorry.
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Oh, I'm just curious to see how the draft is gonna pan out.
Like, All right, So can I just read one from N B.
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Thousands of them? Yeah.
Anthony Edwards at Minnesota.
Danny a Vigia two at two.
Golden State places Lamell Oh, ball at three.
Then you got killing Hayes to Chicago on the Echo or Congo after Detroit.
And we taking Isaac a curl now? Yeah, they got James Wiseman going to Washington.
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A big boy type of my e know.
How does that land a pass up on on James Wiseman If you got Atlanta ticket? Yeah, Level Congo E has been over because I know they may not be a member with John Collins, but would you take Ah, higher ceiling prospect in wise? Yeah.
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I got Anthony Edwards.
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They got Cleveland taking a curl e.
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You have a number six.
I got Atlanta taking Tyree's Halliburton.
Yeah, I have that e like That's like a lock.
Yeah, I think I think that's a Atlanta.
Yeah, why not? DeAndre hunting camera is probably off the bench.
You had You had Tyree's Taliban going to the Hawks? Yeah.
Because they need Halliburton.
Albert Albert for everything they need, They need They need a secondary playmaker.
You need three point shooting.
He did a backup point guard for for him.
They need somebody to cover up tree defensively.
He's like, he's, like, the most perfect fit out of, actually out of the entire top.
Get top eight killing in B Into Detroit in Halliburton, Atlanta or the to, like the one that's very confident it.
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Yeah, 67 Like everybody else.
I'm thinking Oh, we're taking opiate eight.
I don't I don't I don't see a second Obi.
I just don't see it after.
After I saw that, you didn't think you might have to.
He takes advice from Knox Bro.
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I got it from some nicks.
Things like that.
Always post find him.
They they remind him They remind him of.
I thought He said he takes advice from Knox.
He does? All right.
Don't listen, Thio.
Don't make **** the art.
Don't make stuff up. All right? Come on.
Really? He's taking the Oh, uh, look, I'm gonna tell you the oh, it's not one of them.
All right? I don't know.
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Not I didn't know that he was.
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Players like the Knicks.
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You just right now a, uh is in a chat.
E One day, I would say is if we get will be topping.
That means Randall is gone.
You might miss Randi Hansbrough.
Defense is you E uris.
Randall played good defense against the Rockets.
That one game right game.
Obi Top cannot play your little kid your little I'm going faster then. Freaking obi topping.
What has this dude has no hits? Nothing way.
Think that they would get rid of Randall just for because they had will be topping.
I don't think so. Yeah.
Okay. But you know that.
Portis may not be resigned.
Yeah, I don't see them like trading, but Okay, Mitch.
What's his name? Oh, be topping.
And also Randall, like e don't think so.
I think the only person that would need Thio, the only person that they just don't resign.
Horace, that is a troll.
Yeah, well, uh, you don't if you don't sound important if you don't resign or reports portions of 50 million, right, Christian Woods is around that same money, right? Expected to be right.
Christian would if you if you Yeah, I might even I don't even think I was just thinking about somehow.
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He shot 70% from the free throw line.
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Alright, give my man to all star break.
Okay? Not one more.
All star break, like five years.
We owe next one equivalent halfway market.
You're I understand how you could do that and add on a team that has nothing like I would feel like if this team after what not show the second half of last year and some of the I know something is only five freaking games. Whatever.
I thought that he like What? Don't you see the chance to like to be ultra aggressive to say, effort? I'm just taking many attempts.
I need to take try to draw as many files and he just seems like a good cop.
Hey! Started out the season pretty hot, but then once one, some MOOCs started, you know, taking the book of the minutes and then his Hey, he just lost confidence in his shot, but I still felt like he was.
I keep saying this.
I rather knock second year than than knocks his rookie because knocks rookie year was just a guy running around with his head cut off.
Yep, You come to shooting do whatever with his second year.
There was some You admitted that he has a low motor coach that basically like, Yeah, finest prospects, man.
Might er uh, e just give him.
Just give him until whatever the equivalent is of Austin Day, that's what That's my comparison toe Austin Day.
But this'll e I feel like you need so much from the team.
That may be good, right? To make him good on offense like I don't think so.
He doesn't play well off the ball. He doesn't.
Last year when he was getting a hey sucks that cutting.
You can't but you said he missed.
He missed a lot of open threes last year like automatic with his floaters.
Like Chris Rock said.
Like Chris Rock said about about the dude that got his g e d, and said that he was ready for college down.
Hey, go down eyes, obviously high school was kicking your ass.
Hey, always flop.
You always like, uh, how many times is about balance when he catches the ball e your brew e.
I mean, he has a YouTube.
He has, like, three times when he literally hit the ball back into his own his own basket, how many times you catch a rebound and it went out of bounds because he fumbled him going around him.
That's Yeah, that's one of the things that I'm holding onto because he started playing baldly.
So that's why he lacks lacks field.
That's only gonna happen with more with more years of of actually playing ball.
So, Rick, I would love this, and this was like a second round pick.
This would be a great story, but you know what I always said.
We will give Kevin Knox time if he was drafted in Mitch Spot and Mitch was drafted in his exactly agree.
I really like it would be better for Kevin Knox if he was drafted in the second round.
Yeah, I think the M P J comparison fear because I m p j debilitating back crap, man, I'm not whatever a to this point, he's here.
And like I said, Yeah, see what he does within the You will know early.
We'll know early what he's been doing for the past year.
If it was if he became really nice in two K or or Fortnight e o videos mixed.
Mitch had his workout videos even back then.
He had one last year.
People think he's doing that ****. He's doing that shooting crap.
Last year it amounts of ****.
Frank was doing a workout videos to with his training, going through chairs and that **** that didn't work out of ****.
Randall had his workout videos, uh, shooting.
I think he was planning a building.
Everything else is in the building.
What's up? Some some some 12 e? Yeah, but Grima, Like I said, we'll know early.
Well, no earlier.
But how? How would he? So it tips off, Obviously, one small corner threes.
Right? So not probably get those more opportunities.
You guys have a better feel about Thibodeau's, um, offense for, like, wings and stuff.
Right? Because you guys remember, I'm just try.
I don't remember as good, but in what ways you see them using knots.
That's out of Clinic three is How do you see Tom Thibodeau using knocks are for the season.
At best you'll be Tony Snow.
But I was just call you CEO at best you'll be Tony Snow Way should hire Maybe, maybe, maybe somehow somehow it becomes blue Elding Oh, whoa, man, Yeah, It doesn't even believe that e e don't like low expectations we owe So who radio? We didn't know you brought him up.
We didn't bring up you see? You see? Free your free Yo, you all trolls.
Why didn't you? Oh, I didn't hear nobody.
Nobody even heard art.
I just know because, like you were like, Oh, yeah, uh, Knox will be Luol Deng.
And then I was like, Oh, yeah, Frank's gonna become Derrick Rose.
Uh, yea, yea, yea.
Knox is very, very playmaking.
Do. He's gonna need somebody to be a playmaker.
Get him to get him shot.
Yeah, I'm trying to give you I'm trying to give you boy, I'm trying to give you boys from Showtime, man.
I just asked you think you Yeah, that that Killian Hayes and finding that weak side going.
We need a point guard.
We need We need CP three to help him out.
What about it? Could be great.
George, what do you feel about it? I don't know.
If my family has, he feels like a system a za lead guard for the Knicks.
He gets and then he doesn't even play.
A lot of he doesn't play a lot of lead golf elite guard for Toronto.
I think this is gonna be This would be the first opportunity doing that.
And then also, with that price tag and the expectations that's gonna come with it in New York, he's going to get the right here.
That efficient either.
Well, he's very mean.
Sufficient from three.
Yeah, Yeah, I think size, lack of, like, explosive, sweet.
Like he just doesn't.
Okay, I'll take him.
That's a good value one.
So who do you guys think is gonna be that? The breakout player under under Tom Thibodeau.
He's got both throwing.
All right, Nick, Rick doesn't believe this ****'s Leo.
Well, let me make it.
Doesn't if not, goes from from last year's numbers too relatively efficiently putting up what he was doing his rookie year.
That's a that's a gigantic leap.
I don't Our Kate Argent could go from, what, 14 to 17 maybe 18 or whatever, E think, because not so v S James another good one, too, because of the fact that they're so low.
It's so low at the bottom.
You know, I'm saying that they have a they have more room to girl to grow.
I think it's dfj.
But at the same time, I do feel like Mitch would be the next next one.
Because of the defense.
Tom Thibodeau, the cachet, all that stuff is gonna is gonna ring home.
What? Wow, Kevin Knox eyes that a breakout, though.
Look, if if, if not, if, if Mitch does, what he does, but starting is that you really think that's a break out.
If this is just the only difference is like he's not falling out like he's just exactly what happened.
He was the 1987 hours, 22 minutes.
Yeah, 97 projected, like 30.
That's a double double anyway.
Yeah, like it's gonna lead toe.
I feel like what Mitch could affect If he plays 30 minutes per game, etcetera, etcetera like it's gonna lead Toa wins.
I just I believe that.
And I feel like Knox being effective is not leading toe wins, you know? Not if not gave you.
What did you say? You said what if he gave me what he did his rookie year, but efficiently, E if you gave the rookie year, he played lock down defense where he was like a shutdown E.
It was like a quad.
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40% of a shutdown defender, right? Is that a breakout? Yeah.
Yeah, that'll be. Break up 40%.
Yo, I had to go e like the reason men.
Um, Rick was just saying that, Like something around his rookie year.
His rookie, He averaged 12.
3 points, right? Like, how is he gonna pull that off off the bench unless he's starting? And to me, his best position is power poured, which I would Randall will have to be gone.
So, like, there's is a cascade of stuff that needs to happen.
I haven't haven't given up on him as a small forward.
So I you doesn't rebound good enough to pay powerful now? Yeah, I'm more scared of him.
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Four when you talk about playing them at power, forward is who he is matching up again.
So it guys that are slow foot, just like his little feet are.
It's matching him up with guys that are not gonna blow past them like just three.
The most past the fastest guys in the league are at point guard for the three like that.
Just a book past.
It is not just the fact that it is.
We actually were up against digging that we'll pass.
Um, do you have any times? Not like, literally.
Guys blew right past him on the wing and that were like, they're already laying up the ball and the oh, why does 20% 30% 40%? 20%? 40% 20% of locked down soon.
I try to give a little enough I said toe where he's gonna bring the ice saying it's gonna happen, E.
But when I said R j, I have to say what you mean because the margins would be.
You know, whatever I understand you're saying, I just feel with R. J.
You know where he's gonna have the opportunity.
He's gonna have the opportunity to have the opportunity.
I think that what he's doesn't have the opportunity.
But I think what charges that if he breaks out to that 18% shoots even it's not the great but say 75% from the free throw line give you 35% from three.
Right, which is, like, right around or slightly below league average.
Improve his official, see right around the basket, right and play better defense.
He would be more in that leadership world right now.
You could basically have guys playing under him, which I think would be a lot more easy for a guy like Tips.
As good as the coach tip tips is, you always need that floor general, right? He That's why I brought guys like Butler over to Minnesota.
He needed something he wanted or needed somebody to be a voice, and despite the fact they had all that talent on that TV still brought over a guy like Jimmy Butler.
That's why stable R J Barrack you have.
Basically, you have Ah, set. Cornerstone.
Now you can kind of draft.
You can kind of build around and you feel more Satan because, look, RJ bad.
I like RJ bad, but people argue that he's not it right.
You know, there's shooting his little Yankee officially.
Wasn't that good. His defense.
I mean, it's OK, wasn't the greatest what I'm saying.
You still have question marks about despite the fact he's a rookie, I think came from patients.
So I think if he broke out and what I just said, you know, it's a lot easier for what we want to build the future.
If he's if he's that 18 guy, whatever it is, is he like our best player 18 guy with those numbers you just posted out? Is that does that is eating like our best player on the scene? Yeah.
What? You better know what to do.
What? See what good team are even close to good team, whose best player is giving you 18 on Liam.
Last year's next e.
That's your next Booth team with 14 e.
I think he got up to 20.
Um and then you know what and it's actually for a guard.
For guard, 20 is like for guard.
For point guard, 20 is like the equivalent of, like 25 because you know, they're getting you assist and all that stuff.
So a wind player 18 is low dogs.
We that's our best player saying We suck.
I'm trying to, like, get me Roco Get me Roco and Russell Westbrook Bam! Thank you, Rocco.
He's not Delay no more that that was a quick way.
If we're trading for Russell Westbrook, give you Robert Covington.
I'm just saying, though, that even the worst teams, even the worst team, their best players given way more than 18.
Who's a Pisces Pisces all got a 20 point guys? Well, it depends on what it depends on when you're looking at the Pistons.
Once they treated drumming, Woods was good.
Blake would would be also 25 point.
Alright, Um, so what is Vujovic numbers? He's kind of like 20 points, right? He's a beast man.
Are are you asking Arjuna to be the best player because I think RJ should be developed to be the second best player on a playoff team you guys say that.
But you look like that our team mentally thinks he's the best player on the floor.
Yeah, but he also played Williams accepted the second best.
Like No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
He took the most shots.
He took the moose.
He took the big shots he took.
Put up the same numbers at him without taking as many.
But But he Are you a ball on that team? E point that that hammer was that Coach K? Because look at how they use Ken Reddish.
Okay, I know what you mean.
I'm just saying that RJ Thio Nick's point Like, could you see r j? Obviously you get a guy who's that good, Right? Magically, You gotta keep coming.
I'm not saying that we are.
I'm saying Just imagine we've got a player who might project better or might be way better than Arjun.
You don't think that he will take the back seat? Because you could still be a leader in a sense like this.
Why? I called you anyway, when the best leader's right.
You know, that year that you have LeBron, he put a better he put a better sassy did the year after, right? But he conceded to LeBron to basically a lot of LeBron to play this game, knowing despite like, he won a championship.
He had the pedigree, had everything, but he concedes to LeBron James on the court.
But still everybody saw him as the so called leader, right? Look at his cachet with this pedigree.
Do you think R. J.
Barrett could take that similar role as Dwyane Wade knowing that he is not e think you can, But I'm just thinking about the immediate future next year, right? Fishing where you kind of, like actually hand them the keys? And are you so are basically do you want we feel like that experience is is worth us sucking.
Because I feel like with 18 points as your best player, you you're gonna saw really bad, right? Yeah, You're gonna be a bad team.
So Oh, it so if that's if you feel if you're thinking long term and you're like, Okay, you're fine with that because, you know, 2021 draft or whatever or are JDS this experience or whatever? It's it's It's the decisions you make you see one of the things one of the things that I always argue about the threat is about is about playing time.
The vets versus the kids.
This last year they made their decision in the office.
Once you sign Randall, you gave Portis 15.
You gave health eight.
Once you make those decisions, once the season starts, people can't be crying about Oh, wise health playing over.
You pay those guys, they're not.
They're not 40 year old mentors there guys in their prime that they're ready to play now.
So you made that decision in the off season.
So if your goal is to have RJ take on the leadership, you gotta build the roster. Coordinate.
All right, Don Randall double triple team because he's better than R. J.
I'm sorry, i e It is because he's better than RG with the reason why he was bull guarding the ball and then, you know, waving people off because he's better than those those those cats.
We don't respect them.
So if you want RJ to be that guy, you gotta build the roster accordingly so that he's in position to.
But once the season starts if there's people better than him, you can't.
You can't buy good conscience.
Make him demand when there's other people better.
You can't e thought that get a guy like Randall if you get him because I just felt like Oh, hell, no e status into the chat I invite this months ago, man, Just do man New York E s o.
But see, that's why the whole brother thing.
Because it's like, even though I think that the brother was discussed before we have been, uh, got Randall, that's the thing about is like, if you get I agree, If you're gonna build your team of summary around certain players, you can't bring on guys like you can't bring on these veterans especially big contracts, because they're gonna be expecting they're gonna have expressions like dogs.
You pay for this money now, I gotta say and be subservient to so and so, Yeah.
I mean, even I think, you know, both of them have been a bit different, but harder.
I think this is why it is like you have to clean up the mess of the past regimes to try to build forward.
But you're still trying to build forward and went on the fly.
Right? But for me, like, I don't care that I don't care that RJ is like, the third option he has to earn it.
Like KP wasn't KP wasn't the primary option until the third year.
You know when everybody was going right? So you gotta you can't just force him into the world that you gotta, you know, pays him in, like, even Kawhi Leonard.
Like Kawhi. Leonard wasn't e.
Argies top three and co.
I was, what, 15th or whatever, but, like, still like you gotta you can't just force him into a role that he's not ready cause you're kind of setting him up to fill.
So stay in New York.
What do you want us to talk about? Because you've been arguing on Twitter about, you know, he's been crying about what he gives me Frank vibes.
I want someone that doesn't give me.
I'm trying to see e arguing about halliburton.
Uh, Burns going to Atlanta.
You don't have to worry about Halliburton.
Halliburton can play.
You're just e guess.
I guess State New York isn't like Halliburton, but nobody likes Halliburton.
Dog e play with a guy like everybody in the top 10 really loves him.
I think, you know, executive complement your executive.
Another two million teams.
I'm talking about Knicks fans, though.
Knicks fans understand what it is that we need that point.
The only thing he brings is is some modi*** of of defense and three point shooting.
But we need somebody that's multi dimensional, somebody that could create the defense with the drive.
Why would you say he brings some modi*** of defense? He's a good defensive.
No, he's a good defender.
I don't feel that side.
That side is gonna hurt him in the Yeah, he's really skinny.
Yeah, like 1 71 A.
And also and also Thio written me earlier.
Eso defense in college doesn't always equate to defense in the NBA right away.
That's the reason why I you know, I'm saying that the fact that he's a bad defender what I'm saying is how many dudes that were locked down in college comes to the n b A and B locked down right away.
Yeah, I wouldn't want, but you're gonna kill me.
I feel like that translates pretty fast, though faster than all of you know.
I was gonna say one, but Chris is gonna kill me.
And I have stats of have us that's approved of the pre is gonna kill me if I say so.
I'm just not going to sleep.
I'm chilling, bro. Like you.
You don't want e got you on.
My team won today, man.
I'm chilling, man.
Manchester United one. I'm happy.
B p s G, my boy is is he's not here because he's from friends and talking mad ****.
You'll see Paces hired.
Uh, the Raptors assistant? Yeah.
Do you have much another job? Mike Miller didn't get Yeah, right.
Did Tom Thibodeau.
Didn't they say that they were offering? Like, if you didn't get anything, they're gonna often like a Steve with the team, wasn't it? There's, like, news on Mike Miller.
I don't know, Like, I saw some bull**** things saying, uh, if Jeff Van Gundy get, uh, maybe you guys, you guys maybe art um, Graham.
Oh, and Nick, you guys can can already know your answers, though, Based on the way you guys talk, I want you guys to get in on this ongoing well, this old debate that used to be on the threat.
So when um when fifth started out the season like trash, it was a bunch of us that was just like, almost like Gates.
Right Now, let him play it out because whoever you bring in is going to be a waste of time, because you're gonna hire somebody at somebody different.
Anyway, there's no point.
Just let him play it out and then fire everybody at the end of the season.
Mhm So but there was these other dudes on the thread That's just like, Well, this is is hurting the kids and they need development.
And ultimately, Mike Miller comes in and he plays vets all the way to the end.
Yeah, he was trying to keep his job.
Yeah, he would find his job more positive.
A t end of the day.
Um, I feel like it was a waste with time.
They felt like they had to make a change for the sake of the kids and their future and all that nonsense.
So I want to know what was your position then? And then Do you still believe that it needed to be done.
So I know for a fact I feel for a fact that there keep engaged to get travel on.
I mean, they traded Oh, yeah, I just read everybody e just about this. No, no, no.
I'm trying trying, trying to fit in.
I think about it.
Is that obviously, how to draft works is Well, obviously, it's not.
You can't just your way to the bottom.
That's why it's like It's not.
I would have loved if you could just get fizz or keep fit tryto tank.
But something about basketball.
I think you lose the locker room as a coach.
Football, I think, could be worth it.
Could be bad in these for, but I just feel like in a basket.
I don't know what it is, especially in New York once you lose the locker room, right? Anything about fish that wasn't I don't think, uh, e I wouldn't say e You're right.
It's not a day. Situation is not a gay situation.
I think with I don't know it just you saw you really saw nothing.
And with the young kids is just I saw maybe you guys saw it.
I just legit saw nothing that he was offering to help develop the kids.
Now he left RJ do a lot like he thinking about point guard.
People were complaining about that too much, right? Let make you play too much. Too many.
But even the RJ RJ issue was with shooting and stuff for me.
Kid shot terrible.
And you saw spurts.
Like when he came back from the injury and he had games.
Yeah, I like that one game shot like, I think.
Like four for seven or five or seven from three.
There's like a little while.
He had a few games here that I think that's what Mike Miller Because it came out Mike Miller.
It needed to be done in the old Mike Miller experiment that another funny thing about Mike Miller is like even you guys.
When you guys talk about former coaching, nobody brings up everybody.
Act like this was just fight yesterday.
I always bring a lot of people.
Well, it seems like everybody always talks about Oh, yeah, another coach.
And it's almost like he he was.
He's an invisible man like he didn't even exist.
No, I think I think people on with that That win January 1st against the Blazers that he had that really beautiful one against the Nets, where we set that record for whatever the hell it was.
Or they said that record for whatever the hell it was the great Kenny Atkinson system e had to Bill passed, you know? Look, E, let's say you so you felt like it needed to be done or not.
So, uh, me, both of you guys, whoever e So, um, I thought that because they don't need it to be fired, But it didn't have to be doing this season.
Um, at worst, we would have just had a bit of draft pick.
Um, you could sit here and say that? Yes.
Um, that Mike Miller did a better coaching job.
I think he actually gave them more defined roles.
Mike Miller did, but I thought that trail would have gotten more playing time.
I thought that hey constantly went back to Dennis Smith.
I thought Andi was trying to show confidence in him because remember, Fizdale did work out with in the off season and did promise him a starting position.
So with that being said, I thought that he would have tried to play the young guys more.
He was the first one to go toe Frank as the starting point guard.
Um, but of course, Peyton was hurt, too.
So, like from a young guy standpoint, I thought he was.
He did a lot to try to balance out the positions.
I didn't I have no problem, because LeBron played more minutes than him.
His, his his rookie year doing great, played more more his rookie year.
Kevin Knox played just about the same amount of minutes, and no one had a problem with Knox playing.
Playing that amount.
Who cares? He was young, just like Fizdale said.
I could talk to some of the doctors that I work with.
I'm pretty sure all of them would say the same thing.
I mean, R J had no problem with playing that many minutes because the MBA does not practice like it used to.
It is a different game.
You cannot compare the minutes and just try to make that a problem.
So, like Alfred, Peyton is where things start falling apart because he does not shoot well.
Frankly, Latina is another problem.
He does not shoot well, much.
Let's get to the basket and give you shot. Diversity.
The offense was supposed to be driven by DSG.
His mom, His stuff like everything about this year, was wrong.
I know Fizdale wanted to invest time in them and then also to remember at the beginning of the season, RJ and traer was your starting to one and two.
But that that was a better starting to and we were in those four games.
We were actually tougher as a team back then than for the rest of the season, even after physical got fired.
That does just might take the first four games.
I thought that if you had Arctic and also trip starting every game trade with us was a better shooting guard through at any point in time.
That any shooting guard that we had and RG was playing better point guard than both Frank DSC.
And also, if you wanna add the third, what's his name? Uh hey, Frank.
Because remember, RJ did drive to the basket.
Well, he was passing and he was averaging five assists a game.
As you are aware that the traer and R J experiment was only one half Yeah, yeah, And then in the second half, you started Elf and I said What my personal feeling of that was that he did that because none of the none of the point guard stepped up in the preseason.
I'm not saying that he didn't like he had reasons for doing it, but at the same time, RJ still was, could get to the basket.
Better acting well, so like, it made more sense.
And it was It was an experiment, and that's the kind of things I wanted him to do.
But Thio it's like random wasn't expense so But that that's all that again, that goes back to our point.
Like we would have, we probably would have sucked worse.
One lost a lot more games, but I rather I feel like, um um fifth had, like, long term thinking he was trying dumb ****.
Andi e would have would have went mawr younger towards the end when we weren't in it, you know, he was on a five year deal.
He's getting paid no matter what.
So so that's what the That's what me and art were saying.
Like, I don't know why you need to fire him.
Just bite the bullet.
I mean, we knew this.
We knew this was a terrible looking roster.
Well, FIS was super unlucky to like in the beginning of the year.
Mitch was a foul trouble machine.
Like he was always a foul trouble.
You know what's funny? Like, just sorry to cut you off, Mac with going back toe the offseason, Mitch, once you could play for Team USA, you could be an All Star.
You got the chance.
A team us 16 that needed big man and could not make that team because foul too much.
He didn't have the i. Q.
I said it in the chat earlier on Van Gundy was the was was his, um Mike Miller was on coaching staff to they did not want him on that team.
And, like, he could not make that team and then come back to remember heat.
The DeAndre Jordan effect that people like to go back to Mitch just just stayed more discipline.
I don't feel like DeAndre.
Jordan really did much, but at the same time, coming back toe this season, you got kicked off team us because he followed too much and then start the Remember what? He didn't suffer totally.
He was terrible.
Remember Summer League, Summer league? He was found that he was He was gonna about the game.
He was goaltending, every shot. He was gold.
You remember the right gear gear was left.
You're some of these.
Whenever he was drawing out, he was walling out some of Well, you know, when you got invited in New York so you could stop talking.
You just gonna talk over you just talk over.
You think Phil's just call them dudes and said, Get me five power for E.
That's because the way you gotta invite state No, he said He said So? So? So that goes back to our point.
I put like way, shouldn't have clean house Perry E mean, God forbid that somehow they turned it around.
If that happens, fun.
But like if it played out the way that it looked like it was going to play out way have gotten instead of my because we got a a truly interim puppet head for who would have, who would have said Hey, like he knows he's not gonna be here next year.
Just say, Hey, get some experience, whatever.
So he's not feeling Hey, I got a place veterans to try to save my job.
Well, they messed up because way talked about E when I told you that I felt like the next should have put Kaleb C****es in that spot because we know Carol C****ys is basically an offensive genius.
You know, I'm saying you can look at his track record with Portland and he was on our staff.
If I feel like if you have had Kaleb C****es being that spot, as opposed to Mike Miller, Mike Miller was just riding the coattails of cats like Trey Burke and stuff in the D League C**** is actually knows offense.
The only thing, though, is a cat like Caleb ****ysis.
He is not a what you call, um, head coach material, but he's definitely, but he's definitely you know what I'm saying? Probably the best co pilot you can have as an assistant coach, you know, like every assistant coaches not built to be the head coach and Caleb ****ysis.
That, plus plus Caleb C**** is Mike Breen said it himself.
He was like he questioned that.
But But in the reason why he questioned is because Kaleb C****es is the nicest dude relationships with everybody, and it is a great communicator.
You know what I'm saying? So just by hiring this by putting Miller in that spot, I think you probably ruin the rest of the season.
Because Mike Miller, even though he helped develop Trey Burke, he had, you know, he was not what you call Ah, great communicator.
He didn't prove itself with extra knows.
He just proved itself to be a good developer, and they thought we could parlay that and development to the kids on the on the Knicks roster, as opposed to West Chest, We're Free Z.
I think another factor is the staggered approach and firing is because once you bring in whoever you bring us, the interim coach Mills is still there, and Mills is still feeling the heat that you know.
He wants to keep his job.
So he's putting pressure on the coach to Clay to play, you know, play whoever you give you the best chance to win, right? Uh uh.
Aloe Miller did was by Mills another month or so before he got fired.
Right? So you should let those guys they came, they came.
They came in together, let him finish out the season and then at the end of the season, evaluate them, fire them all and then bringing do of claims, a card in the dress.
I don't dispute that.
What I'm what I'm disputing is because because I understand your point.
I'm not saying that's wrong.
What I'm saying is, is when the decision was made to move on from Fizdale instead of inserting Mike Miller, you should have inserted the guy that helped develop CJ McCollum and Jamila is what I'm saying.
E definitely get Steve Mills and what they're trying to save their jobs as well.
To know, unfortunately, just had idiots running the show, and they're not thinking long term like, the biggest thing is different agendas.
Everybody had different agendas, right? That's I mean, just same **** where you bring a g m and a culture on a line.
I mean, thank God, clean house and Albert.
I mean, to your point, I agreement.
God, kid callous would have been, but again.
But we have an owner who doesn't really know basketball, right? So he's not even thinking on that level of Yeah, let me get a kill Callison Interim.
Whatever. I'm gonna get a new coach. Whatever.
I'm a fighter, Jim, to whatever you don't have.
Birth c****s was standing right there.
Like, how do you overlooking now? E.
James Old doesn't know basketball, baby e thinking collegues within within. He was a candidate.
He was a candidate.
He just know it was Miller.
Who are the two candidates? Yeah, but But they It was predicted it was gonna be Mike Miller.
Even before this.
In the off season, they brought in Mike Miller as an insurance.
So he had the inside inside track towards the job track the whole way.
Yeah, and and to just further point.
So Kaleb C****es work with R.
Barrett right at the beginning at the beginning of the season.
And what people forget is at the beginning of the season, R.
Barrett was averaging 18 points a game and was shooting 40% from three.
The only downside to that, though, is who was also shooting 40% from the free throw line, which was a major red flag for us.
We were like This dude can't legit go to the basket and get fouled and shoot 40% from the free throw line.
We have to figure out a better plan, but before that, But like right when we recognize that the Knicks were like two and eight, and now you're like, Well, we gotta do something with the coach and then everything goes haywire, You know what I'm saying? So we legit had, like, we have these pieces in place to do by positive stuff.
But when everybody has their own separate agendas like their own career arts and everybody's not bought into the ultimate goal, which is toe win, then we get all this mess.
You know, I'm saying I mean, like, your friend says, if you keep Fizdale is coach, then I think you see a more productive beer out of R. J.
Barrett, right? And listen, I'm not saying that is R.
J barrack stand.
What I'm saying is, is the data backs up the fact that Fizdale was using Arbor Day Barrett correctly, but R.
Barrett had certain flaws in his game that he had to work on, like the free throw shooting and moves going to the basket way.
Know that now that the years played out But with Mike Miller, Mike Miller went away from R.
Barrett goes more to move.
And then now you see the rip my head off.
No, no, But let's say attn the same time like you can't just say it's one.
Also like you said, Shot 40% from the free throw line.
He took it upon himself.
This is where not to bring up Frank, but where it difference.
RJ calls up a shooting coach.
I can't remember his name right now and says, I'm taking you under the road.
Um, Drew Handley.
Order Head Drew.
Yeah, handling a trainer training? Yeah, but he's not his personal trainer.
He worked with them personally in the off season, but Drew Hanley does not follow guy.
No, he does like no trainers always dio No, not not.
Drew, like Drew works with Ben Simmons.
All kinds of players, too many clients, people but he but R.
J, on a rookie contract, pays the one of the top shooting coaches to take him on the road with him to help him improve.
His jump shot like that's different from any other player that we've ever had before and that that shows on accountability, uh, a drive toe win, a drive to get better.
You know, he's the first career that I heard that as Allan Houston for tips.
Yeah, but you shooting coach stroke.
He's the best through the next ever had.
You know something because, but okay, Michael Flynn is the best player on the planet.
He's giving tips.
No, he doesn't he give tips to Kobe? He didn't.
He doesn't get tips.
The and so he doesn't give tips to his own players.
Have you been to the Charlotte game? I'm pretty sure he doesn't give him like dude.
He worked with M. C. W.
Or whatever his name is.
For years, there was this video will play against M. C.
But but album Houston Allen has shooting videos out there.
I know that, but he's not a shooting coach like OK, who in the world has ever said.
Allan Houston has improved my shot.
But drew handily, I could say has improved people's jump shot.
All of people worked with what's his name? Utah E.
Said that I just said that to one point that that I think if if it's like the two pronged approach, like either you keep Fizdale and you see them continue to groom R J Barrett and the young and the young combo guard or if you have, if you have to get physical out of the building, we should have went with Kaleb C****es.
That's all I'm saying.
I want to talk about Allan Houston.
No, he was just saying like Oh, you could see that Argent gets it because he, like, wants to get better and brings his trainer and all that well, So I think we're all in agreement that maybe just firing everybody at the end of the year would've probably been the better approach.
I agree we needed to get rid of Mills, though, like I don't want him.
Remember the trades the like.
The obnoxious trades that way could end up trading for, like, zero or something.
Exactly Way wrote trades, trade rumors And then there was e o.
Would you get most of the low? Yeah, but like only Mills.
But Trapper knows transfer from is different.
Knows what exactly should you're that guy. Wait, Hold up.
This guy's been in basketball circles.
How many years, bro? Yogi, Emma.
There's pictures of him with Scott Laden with Antonio A best man.
They show pictures some of every year with, like, whichever, Like, hey was with Isaiah.
He was with hey, didn't know nothing.
Forget what? Yeah, and, you know, like there was, like, a little hiatus moment that he was gone from the Knicks.
And that's when they get in the playoffs.
Oh, what came back next? We're back to being bad.
Holy sh yeah, yeah, the two years or so, where he? Yeah, You still commercial use? That is, that is the one.
The one scary thing is, if we If if we kept everybody is him China go crazy at the trade deadline to save his job, he wanted to extend Marcus Morris.
Yeah, he wanted to extend Marcus.
Yeah, I want todo.
That's why I go.
That's why go crazy over to things like Why do we always need to sign a power forward in the off season.
That right, that kills me.
And in certain frankly, Latina into every conversation.
Well, we didn't have We didn't have We didn't have Thio trade for power forward until we traded away Christmas for seconds or think is yeah.
Yeah, But now wait till the very opposite.
We picked up volley, right? Who? The other four.
I mean picked up with volley that offseason.
Hezonja? I don't know.
Yeah, you picked up.
You picked up my boy Ellison air Ellison in the middle.
Hey, you're the big white guy.
Yeah, the big white guy.
Not not Cornett, but like the other a lottery pick by the market went to market and he went, Yeah, he was done.
He was the one and done, too.
Yeah, Jim, he was that e a Thio Perry's credit to Perry's credit.
That's what I noticed about Peri.
Peri was trying to take shots at these guys that, you know, we're We're flailing who were, like, former first round picks, and see if you know, he might he might hit on one e was moody and, um, booth floor and guys were signed roles.
Like trying to put all these, you know, misfits, right? It just misfits.
Just look at guys like, even been Malcolm Macklemore.
He was almost going to bust level in the Kings and he found like, Yeah, e Did you get that much playing time in the playoffs? The oh, yeah, well, grim.
Oh, I rather that I rather that approach because it's a clear it's a clear direction.
I rather that approach like Castle of misfits and mixed with some young players to see if you can build something.
And we only did it for one year, to be honest, only one year versus whatever we did last year.
Whatever he did last, he made no sense, just signed power forwards.
Give him a lot of money and just it didn't make no sense.
And they only treated Morris.
They didn't treat anybody else.
So at least at least with the year before, I could see what they're trying to do.
You like you said.
It may not work, but I get it.
E Bond, take a shot and Mario take a shot at Henry Ellison These are all guys that were E.
That is when you when you take a shot on those guys, you gotta at least have development staff big enough to support the fact that that, you know, these players have flaws.
Well, you did was we tried to outsmart the whole league, You know, I'm saying we're like, y'all let these cats go.
Y'all dumb as hell.
We're gonna put them on the floor and let them develop in games.
That's not how it works, man.
They definitely worked with E games with Brooklyn last year.
You wanna know e no alone? Coaches George Bush, George Bush Lor Pet Sullivan, Kaleb C****es, Royal Ivey.
They're all working with the kids.
I have videos of them.
E was at the world e warm up to bro and e don't know what the f he does, bro.
I'm sorry, man. E.
I don't know what the f you does, bro.
I watched him and I was at the someone like the game.
They had a near Columbia, not the game. The problem.
No, e do something behind the scenes.
But it does just talk to players and talk to people connected players and then I don't know.
I don't say I didn't seem, given.
Our goals are goes to the practices are are hesitant prices.
What can you give me examples of like your royal Ivey saw this.
Or maybe it was, like, physical on Keith Smart running and the thing around the practices like and then they will have stations all over the court.
You know, stations, right.
They will be doing drill different drills on each court.
Yeah, You gotta play the scrimmage, right? They have scrimmages.
But, uh, what you say a thing.
Like out of those band of misfits.
They got something out of Moody A.
They got something out of only Yep, those guys were.
Those guys were practically out the league e.
And they were able to like a little bit out of a I'm surprised that they couldn't get something for of online.
Yeah, they chose not to do that.
They should have traded.
They chose where? E high going in by the time Yeah, e remember like, Oh, yes, 70 sixers want vomit.
And then I was like, E, but, you know, going into the trade deadline, he was his value was e got hurt and then they heard this value, you know? I don't think so.
So why did they get rid of movie? Why they treat movie a man? Because, I mean, he went over Thio.
Utah was a whatever you wanna call him off the bench.
He destroyed the next one.
They play them, they dusted off moodier.
Moody was moody. Is not even Utah.
Utah had once they once he actually was playing well.
And then once they created xom for Clarkson and then excellent came in. Excellent.
I mean, Clarkson was a holdout year once he got to use our boat out.
So moody a was out of the rotation.
But when we played when they play the Knicks Z movie A, you know, on they put the ball 20 on us Z, you even looking up there? It's also embarrassing for him, Like, you know, I'm only getting playing time because it is.
But you know what I don't care about? I don't care if it's embarrassing.
It's embarrassing for us that the team feel like you know what? I don't even need to play by Earth or second string guys I could just dust off your old trash blue, you know, shine a drop money on you.
So let me ask, Do you think we should have gave him the Marcus Morris Alfred paying on Jae Crowder treatment, like on one of his greasy? Oh, eliminate.
Like as he's trying to shoot.
That was it was crazy.
I miss the old Knicks fighting, but like, I wasn't proud of that moment whatsoever.
I was like, You know why I like dogs.
Like I was proud of that because they won the next game.
Right? Then they win the next game.
They win the next game.
I don't remember what I'm Probably because Marcus Morris got right on MSG and start doing ****phobic stuff.
Slurs and stuff like Jae Crowder, you know? Okay, Wrong time, E.
A role player for a winning team.
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Reporters with e love.
More hell, he's always looking for your bro. Literally.
Go back to where the Knicks are playing the Mavericks.
Uh, your boy friendly kid gets a still from Luca, I think all the time I said Lucas is basically like walking tours, and Marcus Morris was literally going over the pushing.
Almost start a fight.
And look what? Just like yo, dogs like I'm I'm not do anything.
Marcus Morris wants to look if they're not winning, we're fighting, but against a crowd of the way.
That Alfa paying him in the air, bro, you don't do that, man.
Like when somebody is in the air, you let him fall.
But after that snuff on, yeah, I prefer I prefer I prefer Portis type toughness.
What touches? That he had just make his eyes e o ask merited.
Ask Meritage about his tough.
All right, that's what you gonna do for the next.
Well, I guess nobody fighting on with should have punched Frank Man.
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You know that wasn't against the leaders behind closed like somebody, was it the layers? I think it was E k c p or somebody.
It was e stupid headband.
It's like e toughness is not like at the right time, you know? I mean, like, you know, like, defending somebody the right way is like, is not It's not like the nineties, man.
Like, if you have the Nixon a more you know what I mean? Like, if you had, like, No, I'm not talking about playing like that.
I'm just saying, like you rank high and defense and then for people versus Freeze is gonna be mad in the freezer is gonna be mad at me.
But I feel like a lot of the frank fans got nineties nostalgia.
And that's why they love Frank so much.
Well, we owe they really do they really do? Because they keep on comparing until, like, nineties players.
And I'm just like, yeah.
We're gonna have a backcourt of Chris Childs and Chris Charlie Ward again.
I'm like, No, we don't want that **** in 2020.
Right on the last.
The last rookie, the last rookie that that got in extension was What? What? Charlie Ward? Yeah, I'm thinking to myself.
What? Who has deserved an extension that we haven't given? Uh, that's an indictment on the organization.
They're not They're not drafting.
I wanna hold up.
Yeah. So I just said David David Lee.
But they leave one a big money, so no, but that was a sign and trade.
That was It was starting trip.
Yes, he got attention.
Yeah, you did A s.
But Callow and Chandler, we're gonna get extensions.
But we treated them for Melo, so yeah, Yeah.
I mean, you know what? **** a holy war.
Yeah, get a It's an extension.
Were given extension of Jordan Hill.
No, might Sweetney? Oh, come on, e a little bone to pick with with something.
Um, everyone likes to bring up the meadow trade right and say that Denver We gave up too much for Melo and all that crap on it.
Technically is true.
Yes, but I will say this.
No one on that Denver Denver team that we gave up stayed healthy or as healthy as mellow, and no one produced as much as Melo at all.
We had also, even after we gave up Melo the chance to fix the team numerous times after Melo got here and they made bad decision after bad decision after bad decision E.
I'm not going to sit in the family member afraid, but at the same time, I'm not going to sit here and act like we gave up the best guys in the league.
We gave up Wilson Chandler, who has never been healthy.
Um, Galloway, Gallo or whatever his name is, he still can't stay healthy.
Still can't sail in all the time s.
So this is the thing with that trade, right? Melo is that I thought that time was offensive supportive offensive talent, right? Well, my favorite players in the NBA I like them since Syracuse A B C D camp. Whatever.
Yeah, but again, I think with that team because, I mean, I was tracking the team a lot at times where we were right, the seven seed HC about.
And that wasn't a team that even we got two players.
I was expecting it to get Molly walking killed, right? But they're not season where we actually didn't ranked number two in offensive efficiency. Efficiency.
The sometimes the sum is greater than the parts Where the hell that **** saying this, right? So Gallinari, his biggest issue, obviously, was the injuries book with the not injured but back issues right? Sometimes.
Wouldn't stay healthy enough, can play enough games, whatever.
But remember, it was the right.
He started to make a turn around.
Remember, the Clippers were going out west.
Remember when Blake Griffin Doctor, Either him or Moscow, if I can't remember, Um My God, this is my God.
No result of that dump you get right on his Come on.
And literally After that, I remember Gallinari start driving to the basket.
I was one of the problems everybody had with him was that he was not trying to basket drawing fouls on clippers.
Seriously started doing that, Wilson Chandler was in the world.
But remember, this guy came from the Paul with a Yankee jump shot, and I believe that year or around, sometime around that year, he was screwing closer.
Almost close to, like 39 40% from three, right? He was world be.
There's not gonna be that right.
But you had guys him, Landry fields.
I hope people to kill me.
But Landry Fields in that system was okay.
He wasn't as bad.
Just waiting for their off season because we're not gonna win anything.
There was no need to do a trade.
You bring him in now. He has a bunch of role players.
You can pick and choose who you want to play with.
Melo wanted his money, though.
You gotta think about the next perspective.
That was stupid enough to not and Melican complain all stuff Now he was supposed to be with the big three, right? Mellow If there's gonna be a lockout. Fair enough.
But Melo is a name.
I'm not trying to get into anybody's pockets.
But I would think that he had something, if worst come to worst, at least for you.
Got something to say about a woman was greedy, right? Yeah.
But the Knicks for pulling the trigger Because, no, that's dumb.
But you you train to be going out and getting close to win the championship And that team.
Yes, you could bring Melo there, but as Nick just said, you're still gonna need parts to help mellow out.
And those guys may not, Not not even been it.
But why not see again? you might kill me for this.
I'm not saying that this was gonna be sustained.
That pick and roll with Felton, and, um, our side was affected.
Felton was actually I'm not saying it was gonna be great.
But what Nick is saying is right there was other opportunities to still make the team better be e about this.
What about this? Andi, this is to your point.
Do you think the team would have been better if we had Carmelo Anthony and Jamal Murray? If we had Carbon with three way Wouldn't be.
We wouldn't like the whole thing that got messed up was Donny, you know.
Why would you do that? I don't know what you mean instead of instead of doing the amnesty on Mari, right? No, but my point, my point was, if you if you do, like with Gamma said you still have all those players on your team, right? Then you have come are low.
And you can also you don't know if you have Carmelo tomorrow.
You Hey was not gonna say his wife was pushing the come on.
He was not a Brooklyn.
You're playing a game.
You're arguing about a game of chicken.
I think the Lakers e don't know.
I honestly got okay.
I don't know this, but I don't think I think Melo was was bluffing.
But if this is poker is poker, though, like you're you're blaming the Knicks for for taking the sure thing versus versus Great.
I'm calling his bluff.
You don't They don't know what was gonna happen because he had the freedom to go anywhere, right? But he didn't come.
We saved all that money for free agency.
I don't think he was gonna last year last year.
Last year we trade K p away.
Because you know what? Because Because Dolan's on ESPN saying, like I got I got good authority that you know we're gonna be We're gonna be, You know, we're gonna be in play for we got nothing.
So what? That Oh, call called Melas Bluff? No, I think Melo had his heart set in New York.
I don't think we're some Chicago or some time in New York.
His wife Did his wife say that I wanna interviews on ESPN that, like yes or no? He said.
Well, Melo said that Chicago was for real.
Yeah, it was a real opportunity.
It was not going anywhere but your e o a better off in Chicago if Melo had gone to Chicago where there was no mellow and way to get rid of them.
Yeah, he would have.
Yeah, that way wouldn't have Jamal Murray way.
Still didn't have.
But I think what Freezer is trying to say that e think he's just trying to say hypothetically.
We got mellow without the trade and then got Jamal Murray.
What? That that team would have been Melo.
Without the trade, we would have been It would have been a really good team.
But I can't just sit here and be like the mellow I've bluffed the Knicks and consider them like, especially because of the fact that I know we screwed up so many other opportunities after we got dello On top of that, I can't.
Okay, I can't sit there, Put it on.
Stay in New York.
Said dudes got the doctor.
Strange time, stone.
Like bringing up eso you have in the morning, man.
We're just bringing up hypotheticals, man.
Just know and see.
That's what I'm saying.
That's why I'd be wanting state to come, because what I'm saying is I'm going They a You agree? E think Melo was the next day.
They mellow whatever ****ked the Knicks into making a man.
It's not but New York and I give it to Melo.
A lot of guys who don't wanna come New York because they don't want the attention on what? That whatever I give it to know anyone to come in.
I don't think it's hard to sell any place, but I'm drawing parallel.
I'm drawing a parallel to the guys that were chasing right now, like the scenarios that we did a couple of hours ago.
When we're talking about what do we give up for Devin Booker? What did we give up? Zach Lavine? That's what I'm saying.
It's like it's, like way, nothing real time.
And then now, like I'm not getting rid of a book to go anyway.
I'm just saying that I'm just saying any story he locked up for years to he's not going anywhere.
All I know is the one the one way.
The the the one um, the one time where we did get the big star we traded from and the other time where we saved up, um, cap space.
We got burned the other times where we save the captain.
We didn't get anything.
So that's what I don't care if we trade for Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook.
You think we should have kept Zach Randolph? Yes.
I don't understand.
What the **** was Isaiah Thomas thinking when he got Zach Randolph and Eddy Curry? After Jim Paxson said, Yo, bro, I will pay Eddy Curry 500 grand or whatever.
You different play basketball because he might die on the court.
And Isaiah Thomas like, not a large part right beside them.
That was a crazy Eddy Curry.
I like that way.
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We didn't draft David the bushel we traded for Dave The bull****.
They didn't know who Kenny Walker was.
Yeah, we didn't.
We didn't treat and wait for the bids.
Will play for the Pistons, right? Dude, can you Can you walk? Is the unconscious student Yeah, a statue of Liberty's? No, but that's not really fair either, because everybody was drafted.
Those type dudes, man, I mean, everybody was going to get those 67 super athletic dudes because of the Michael Jordan effect.
You brown over literal speedball like Gerald Wiggins there, Gerald.
Gerald Wilkins, Right? Everybody was trying to get those super athletic dudes because Michael Jordan had established a new blueprint.
Like you didn't have to get a 7 ft of, You know what I'm saying? That that would That can dominate down low if you could get a Michael Jordan to dominate the wing.
But what I'm saying I mean, baby Jordan, Jerry, Jerry Stackhouse was.
But for some years, man, he was a solid right.
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I used to follow the Miami heat.
Um, way back in the day.
Like when they were the extension team.
Mhm health models.
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That was It was nice.
You know who was nice? Who never got original like that? Tony Delk was nice.
Dog was not bad, man, but I don't know.
I don't know what these things we think of e.
I just remember being green injured.
That's our knocks. That's why I'm not. Come.
What do you say a lot about Danny Granger? Yeah.
Didn't Ranger died so poor George could come through the Oh, you could hear him.
And they got hurt.
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You know? He was very you know, he didn't He didn't He didn't have Ah, he didn't have the greatest handle.
He was long and you could shoot me.
Oh, I just wanted to get shooting.
But my mother was Yeah, he was nice. Man.
Rockaway was on the heat.
Yeah, if I say that I've been turning over party.
I've heard everything.
I've heard everything.
I've been Turner with a V.
You say what you say Evan Turner Turner with no man.
Everything he play style play style style.
I'm gonna say with the yoga laugh, But I think r.
Barrett is probably everything is gonna be I think he's gonna be Joe Johnson once his handle gets together.
His ice's This is E What? Okay.
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One of best Mediterranean trucking snipers of all time.
I want everybody's confidence.
We got good Johnson Free Z, we got a collective Nick, what you got? So, are you play style? I'll go with the Jalen Rose. I like that one.
Yeah, I like that one, General.
You don't think he's the athlete? Jalen Rose ones Okay, He's not.
Ron, man, he's not running.
Uh, Z Runner? Yes.
Don't talk about my Johnny's like that.
E himself and stuff.
That's the only crazy part about RG Now I can think of They're being super strong.
Those who are super strong way.
Have a have a question on our You got to give me a combo.
You need that extremely poor man's, um, Dwyane Wade.
I don't know. They're both aren't great shooters.
Dwyane Wade was a terrible shooting from three but mid range Dwyane Wade high.
I think body control.
Barrett goes to the basket.
I think that, you know, for my eyes, I don't know what the percentages are.
It could be wrong, but I think that when nobody thinks about three years Oh, hello, e don't see the Jimmy brother.
But the That's the thing, though, when you guys say those names, are you saying like career accomplishment or you're saying they actually plays like that? You think he plays like Jimmy Butler? No, no, e o.
To be honest with you, I would I would think that Jimmy Butler is the closest count.
But the thing is, you have to look at Year one, Jimmy versus year one.
RJ, You know, if you look at it like that, RJ is ahead of Jimmy.
You know, I'm saying all right.
A lot of people give cops, but the constant none of the guys.
I don't think anyone of you guys the cops you guys mentioned uses their uses.
Their strength like R J.
Driving to the basket or that body balance Contributor's name is flash here.
What do you think they call them? Flash? Because he was He was like that.
But I'm just gonna be so.
But Dwyane Wade would also use his body like he would draw contact purposely to kind of balance himself up for players when going to the basket.
Well, I'm just saying like, that's what RJ RJ, What's what's RJ's biggest strength in terms off in terms of trace? Isn't that, isn't it his strength? Yeah.
Why do when people come up with cops, they never pick a player that actually utilized their strength as their main weapons? You know, Joe Johnson was 67 to 40.
Yeah, with, like, ball handling and pull up.
Joe Johnson is? Yeah, he didn't use posting up people. He wasn't.
He wasn't using RJ belly bullies his way to your boy.
Your boys stayed in New York.
Just said Lemelle A ball equals Penny Hardaway.
Yeah, I'm ignoring E C.
but that's my thinking.
So I get I'm gonna say it right now, so everybody kills me.
When I made this player when he was coming out of the driver, I made this comment and I got roped.
I got roasted on on Twitter for this.
But Jamal, man, I said, Um, in terms in terms of the way he the way he scores it was, What's his name? Shabazz. Shabazz.
Yeah, but I don't think Shabaab's was like Arjun, though.
Like I don't like our.
He's a bully. He was a bully ball player.
He was a bully ball left handed player.
And then he shot spot up threes.
I thought he like I thought he shot more than more than our jaded coming.
You say Beasley than you know, Michael.
Be better shooting.
Michael Beasley had had a lot more of our offensive repertoire than RJ, so the only the only difference. The only thing.
The only thing I will say.
The only difference with R J is that he's like Shahbaz Mohammed in terms of scores.
But he hasn't added element to his game that he could play make.
That's where the Jalen Rose part company.
Yeah, but in terms of the you know what I mean about had Tourette's syndrome, right? Yeah.
Correct. Yeah, Yeah.
Did it have, like, video of him talking todo after guy layers out the link and they wanna freakin slander him? When he was coming out that he was he was the number one player out of his high school class, just like r J.
He was a one just like our Jake in terms of, like, left handed, not super athletic. Whatever.
Super aggressive had the whole mentality, whatever.
They were very similar.
Very similar in terms of whatever e no, no, that was That was years before o j male was Derrick Rose's car.
Remember O J Mayo to the two guys growing up that I heard so much about, Like O j e.
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J mayo was like eight different schools.
But remember they I didn't even know.
I didn't even know how o j mayo look Just because, like I was like that was just kidding.
He probably was like when you watch him.
When you When I first saw him.
When I first saw him play in college.
I was like, This kid grew up watching Kobe.
Any challenge your Jordan windows? He challenged with, Like, you watch.
Just like when you watch Kobe the first time you're like, Oh, he thinks he's Michael Jordan.
Uh, Jordan like schooling.
Who's that? Yeah, Joins like, Yo, you don't You don't want this, Jordan.
You Jordan, you don't have less Stevenson's handle, Wesley.
You know what? I think you're right by the Shabazz Mohammed, though.
I'm looking at his highlights right now.
You might be right on that one.
They reading, scouting report and then take away with you.
Really? Scouting court.
You think you're reading you're reading it or take a rickshaw.
You know, watching him play the right eye watching highlights and play.
Right now, it's very comparable.
Even the way he handles the ball like it's comparable.
The only difference, the only difference with him is that he doesn't He can't play make.
Yeah, you know what? Yeah, So I just called