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Hey, what's going on? Everybody Railroad here.
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Hope you all are having a good time and living the dream on this beautiful Monday afternoon or evening.
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And I hope that you all are over that big loss yesterday, uh, to the one and only Denver Broncos with an awful game.
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I'm gonna get into that game in a little while.
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But there is something here that I do want to discuss because I thought really, just with how good everything was going and how you know, everybody was feeling just fine and dandy that perhaps the Cleveland Browns wouldn't be interested in moving David the joke you.
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But some stuff came out today.
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Apparently the fourth year tight end still hopes that they will trade him by November 3rd.
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A league source told Cleveland dot com on Monday that no joke who is still looking to be traded before the November 3rd trade deadline and, you know in the joke, originally asked to be traded back at the beginning of July, but then changed his mind and resented the request a month later.
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Hey, is now once again looking to be traded away.
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The clock is ticking, and I have to wonder.
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Have to think, have to just, I don't know.
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Would Bill Belichick be interested in trying to swing a deal with the Cleveland Browns and bring the joke you in? Because, as we all know, the New England Patriots are in, well, they're in a bad, bad way when it comes to the tight end position.
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A couple names, you know, have been floated around.
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One name that I've really been kind of high on.
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That I think the Patriots could have had a chance to pick up is, is Jack Doyle coming out of Indianapolis? I thought that that could have been, Ah, play for the Patriots.
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Thought that perhaps maybe it would have been a good move for the go after him.
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I really didn't think that the joke who would be available now I was flicking around Twitter earlier today and, well, the joke who said that quote, I did not say anything to Mary Kate about a trade request.
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End quote and you know, so that got me thinking like, Oh, man, what's going on with that? But then Mary Kay comes out and says, Yeah, that's 100% true He said Nothing.
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Other sorts, You know, the joke who never told me that he wanted to be traded.
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So there's obviously something going on, something going down, and I wonder if it has to do with him.
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Wanted to be traded.
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And like I said, there's a team in New England who happened to be looking for a quarterback right now.
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So does it. Fit doesn't work.
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What did the Patriots give up to him for him? Do we care at this point like, are we to me? Are we not at a point where Come on, man, let's just find some sort of help.
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Because the tight end position for the Patriots have just It's been a abysmal this year.
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I'm just pulling up the statues.
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We go.
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I mean, Devon, I see. I see.
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I don't believe has been recorded at all or has been targeted all this year.
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Dalton Keen hasn't even dressed for the team.
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Ryan ISO has made a few catches here and there, obviously gave up or fumbled the ball.
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This season.
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He started five games.
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He's been targeted 11 times.
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He has six receptions for 82 yards and a turnover.
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I have said forever that I don't think the Patriots need a wide receiver over a tight end, I think a good tight end who could go out and catch the football would doom or for the Patriots and going out and finding a wide receiver.
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I think that's one of the reasons I Mohammad Sanu failed for the Patriots last year was because they didn't have a reliable tight end core.
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And it means a little disappointed cause I spent a lot of this offseason talking about how the Patriots tight end's we're gonna be so much better then they were last season.
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And yet here we are again, where they're just non existed on the field.
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And after what we saw against Denver yesterday, it's obvious that at some point Cam Newton needs somebody reliable to throw the football to man.
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I've been at a point like why don't you just turn to kill Harry into a tight end and see if you can put him on some tight end routes and if that will change things around.
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But joke, who's a very interesting case, and I'm just pulling up his stats as we talk here.
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But e think he's got what he's on his fourth year.
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He's gonna be a free agent at any time.
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I thought that this trade could have happened all the way back in September.
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He's only been targeted seven times this season.
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Not like seven times. That's it.
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He had a 50 yard game against Baltimore in the six yard game against Indianapolis, a seven yard game against Pittsburgh.
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I mean, that's that's That's insane.
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He's got five catches on the year.
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Last year, he dealt with somebody only played three games, Glass three.
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That was some injury problems, only had five catches, but back in 2018 you have 56 receptions, 639 yards, 2017.
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He had 32.
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So it's not like the Patriots be bringing in a superstar of any sorts.
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It's not like he's going to completely be able just to turn this franchise around and suddenly make him a legit contender.
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I'd still love the Patriots to try to find some receiving help somewhere else to know I don't have a name for you.
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I don't think it's gonna be a big name, but I think the joke who can do better than Ryan is Oh, obviously the Patriots don't trust Dalton, King and Devon Asea.
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See, they don't even try to use them or game plan them or make the game plan with the milk involved in it.
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So I mean, the Patriots gonna have to try to make a move that works for the team and maybe David, No joke.
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Who is the guy? No.
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Belichick made a splash last year, gave up a second round draft pick for Mohammed Sunu.
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It didn't work.
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I think we all gotta admit we were pretty excited when it first came about, though.
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Don't pretend like you weren't, man.
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I saw the response of the reaction.
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Everybody thought, Oh, finally we got Brady some help.
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And then I think what happened was was Mohamed Sanu turned out to be a guy whom or benefited from playing with Julio Jones and he really was just, you know, being himself but the Patriots need to do something like, I don't think there's any more that.
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We could just sit here and pretend that this Patriots often is gonna be fine.
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I mean, kudos to Cam Newton, who consistently keeps boosting up his receivers, who keeps, you know, giving it the old rah rah.
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Let's do it type of thing.
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The answer is in the dressing room.
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Well, at some point, the dressing room needs to respond because it's just been bad.
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Both receivers and tight ends and thats everybody.
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I mean, I don't wanna be that guy, but have you been overly impressed with Julian Edelman this year? I haven't been struggling to get separation when he does drops footballs.
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A lot of things that aren't working.
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Nikkila Harry failing to get separation him and Cam Newton.
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The timing seems to be off.
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Do you blame Harry? Do you blame Cam Newton for that final play yesterday? I don't know.
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Samir Bird seems to get open.
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Cam Newton just can't find them.
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Is that on Cam Newton that on Dimier Bird? Jacoby Meyers, who was a big part of the Patriot receiving court last year, can't find the field zero snaps yesterday.
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Gun Rozanski is just a special teamer.
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So I mean, at some point, Bill Belichick has to go out and say, Man, we need more than what this team is offering us.
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So the question is, what is he going to dio? And you know, at 2000 is asking me, Do you think the Patriots could trade for David to Joe Q and a wide receiver? I mean, are we at a point, perhaps, that the Patriots have to do that if they're not going to and they're only gonna trade for one unless you're going to get like an A J.
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Green or in Allen Robinson or something of that nature, then I'd prefer them to get a tight end.
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If not, David the Joker talked about Jack Doyle a lot.
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I really liked oil and think that he could be a big contributor to this Patriots team.
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Now, if you're getting a joke, you maybe, perhaps I don't know.
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Maybe perhaps you don't have to go out and get in a J. Green.
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You can try to find some other kind of help.
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I think if you could find a solid number three receiver to move to mere Bird to the number four because, as good as the mayor Bird is, he's not a true number three.
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He's a true number four, and, you know, I think he's kind of being set up a little bit.
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The way Chris Hogan was set up his final year with the Patriots in 2018 where he was just in a position not to succeed.
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Same with Cordero.
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Patterson was the number three who really should have been a number four.
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You know, perhaps maybe keeping Phillips or set would have been a better decision for the Patriots this year.
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And I dont.
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Phillip Dorsett wasn't a popular character, and a lot of people, you know he was a first round of people saw him in the draft bus and yeah, yeah, filters.
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That's a little bit of a drop last.
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I'm not.
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You know, I'm not going to sit here and say he's not.
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But I think there's, Ah, part of me that believes he could have been a bigger contributor to this team.
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Who knows, With his speed and Cam Newton's ability to move around, what could you know? What could have happened between those two but here we are.
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I'm gonna admit, you know, when this story came across, I saw the tweets, saw the story, and then when I was setting up for the show today and I was on, you know, SportsCastr, looking at the stories that they want covered.
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And that was one of the top NFL news to cover.
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I mean, I kind of had to jump on it, because even though it's not patriots related, I feel like it had to be Patriots related.
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And I'm really interested What you guys think Let me know.
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Should the Patriots trade for David? No joke.
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You alright? Because at some point, they have to get better.
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Anyways, I want to thank.
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Everybody is coming in here.
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Live on SportsCastr Mary Jeffrey Logan.
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Really appreciate that. 2000.
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I didn't realize that you were Logan Manahan.
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Old school.
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Yeah, D p n follower.
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One of the O.
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G s back in the dear Pats Nation days.
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I appreciate you coming on here and saying hello over here on SportsCastr.
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Um, all by my lonesome today, it's not a bad thing.
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I can deal with it.
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I'll tell you one thing, though.
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Man after being on SportsCastr news and being with corner and all that kind of stuff.
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It's a lot easier to do these shows with people not having to create all this content on your own.
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But I appreciate you all coming in here, man.
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Hope that you're all doing well.
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Hope that things were good.
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You know, my major topic that I wanna talk about today is I want to talk about the New England Patriots and basically, are they as bad as they look yesterday? And that means some people think some people think now that was just a one off. No practice.
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Some people like, yeah, they are that bad.
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It's gonna be an ugly season.
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Alright, man, Thank you for everybody again.
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Who's here? Live on SportsCastr.
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Appreciate you all coming over and joining the stream and talking a little bit of football with me.
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All right, look, I wanna give just my overall thoughts on yesterday's game.
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The game that was played on the field look yesterday's loss against the Denver Broncos.
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It was ugly, like really ugly.
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There's no denying that, all right, you know, give the defense of credit.
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They didn't let the Denver Broncos score a touchdown, but they let Denver score on their first six possessions.
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You know, in the fourth quarter of the Patriots were down, what, 18 to 3.
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The offense did nothing until the fourth quarter.
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You know, frankly, even though there was, like a little bit of hope, you know, the Patriots had no reason to be in the game yesterday.
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Cam Newton. He didn't look good.
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Poor pocket awareness, right? Held onto that football too long.
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Sometimes it was kind of too slow going through his progressions.
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I think it was at least five times yesterday.
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If you look at the film premiere Bird was wide open.
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He couldn't find him.
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He missed a wide open Asi.
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Asi, who finally got to go out and catch a pass, made a couple of poor decisions.
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It was an unexpected performance, to be honest with you, because you know, that's not what you expected to Cam Newton.
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What did that do that brought out the Cam Newton haters, didn't it? You know, of course, it didn't help that Tom Brady played a phenomenal game yesterday in Tampa Bay, just kind of steamrolled the Green Bay Packers Patriot fans were subjected to a Tom Brady to rob Gronkowski touchdown throw, and I know that that's very hurtful for people.
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And, you know, according to the Twitter followers, that I was falling in the morning.
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Apparently, um, New England Patriot fans were just ripping the pawn Cam Newton on sports talk radio this morning.
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Yeah, when you look at yesterday's game, yesterday's game was bad.
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It was awful, to quote Shaquille O Neal, it was horrible and awful.
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It was horror awful.
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But guys, that doesn't mean that it's going to be the norm.
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It doesn't mean that I'm gonna expect Tom or Cam Newton to play that bad for the rest of the season.
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Honestly, Patriot fans, you all need to just take a breath and chill a little bit.
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Seriously, Cam Newton has done great since coming to this team, and and the people were, but I get it.
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People were looking for somebody to blame yesterday.
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I get it.
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I heard a lot of people blaming the play calling.
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They're upset with Josh McDaniels.
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I'm gonna be honestly, I don't blame Josh McDaniels for yesterday's game.
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He could have called the greatest game of all time, that offense and the players on the field, the ones who actually play the game.
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They couldn't execute anything.
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They had to get a spark from some tricks.
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Trick plays and Julian Edelman had to throw the football twice.
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You know, for most of the game, the wide receivers couldn't find an inch of separation.
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The run game was ineffective.
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Doesn't matter who you line up.
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Damian Harris, Rex Burkhead, James White.
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They didn't run the football well.
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All of them ran under four yards per carry.
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Cam Newton was the only one who could actually run the football.
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I have said the Patriots are not gonna be successful of Cam.
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Newton is your highest Russia.
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The run game has toe work.
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So you know the offensive line, man, I got blown up yesterday and because of injuries is because of injuries because of Kobe list, all that kind of stuff.
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But I got blown up.
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Isaiah Wind got blown up twice.
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Tuning got blown up on a play.
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You know, I will say, though, man, if but this this exact same scenario happened last season to Tom Brady.
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Oh, the excuse Train would be in full force.
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How? It's not Tom Brady's fault.
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So it's just that's why it's amazing to me how Cam Newton just gets blamed for everything.
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And, you know, it was an ugly game for the Patriots.
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One of the ugliest games we've seen in a long time, and I kind of say that Patriot fans were prepared for it.
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Does it seem really that bad? No, not at all.
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You know, there's so many different factors that you have to take into consideration.
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When you look at that Denver Bronco game yesterday, you gotta look at the lack of practice time.
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The offensive line injuries the offensive lineman who are on the covert list.
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Cam Newton hasn't played a game since Week three, and he's had one practice in one walk through.
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You know, after watching the games against the Miami Dolphins, the Seattle Seahawks, the Las Vegas Raiders? Do we really expect to see a repeat of the Denver game this year from New England? Common sense tells you the Patriots aren't this bad.
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It was one week, you know the other thing.
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I want people to realize to is the Patriots situation with the whole cove in 19? You know, I don't know.
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You wanna call a small outbreak, but is an outbreak.
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But the whole situation, it isn't comparable to the Tennessee Titans situation, because that's the popular narrative right now, right? Well, the Titans keep winning.
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The Titans went through the same thing that the Patriots went through.
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They've won both their games is coming back.
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What's the Patriots excuse? Well, there are no excuses, Okay? A loss is a loss.
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The team's not making excuses the coaches and making excuses.
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The players aren't making excuses, but I will say what the New England Patriots went through is different than what Tennessee went through the Patriots roster turnover they had between 2019 and 2020.
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It's significantly greater then the roster turnover that Tennessee had, and that is a huge factor in why Tennessee was able to bounce back in New England was you had a short off season.
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You had no pre season.
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You had key players opting out.
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You lost key defensive players near and you've got a brand new quarterback learning a brand new system, playing with brand new weapons who basically didn't play for three weeks.
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The on leeway the teams get better is to play together.
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See, the Titans already had that familiarity with each other.
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They were already familiar with what they could do offensively.
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New England doesn't have that luxury, and I understand that people want to compare apples to oranges to fit their thought process, because you gotta blame somebody.
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But it doesn't work that way.
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You have to make an apples to apples comparison, and it's not there.
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The problem is, though, is everybody is going to run with that narrative.
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Whether you're a fan, a media personality, whatever you know, I wanna share this with you.
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So Daum Constantino from the score, wrote an article today called Eight Takeaways from Week six, and he did write a little piece about the Patriots and he wrote this.
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He went quote, Yeah, yeah.
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The New England Patriots have had to reshuffle their offensive line because of injuries and covert 19 precautions and prevented them from practicing much in recent weeks.
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But the Titans of face similar issues, and they keep winning.
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New England, on the other hand, lost at home to the Denver Broncos who were without tight end Noah Fant.
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Running back Melvin Gordon, an edge rusher. Von Miller.
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The Patriots played a better game on the road against the Kansas City Chiefs without Cam Newton on a night that they had to fly to the game on the same day.
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The Patriots are in third place in the A F C East with the two and three record, the first time they've been below 500 this late in the season.
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In 18 years Now it's too soon to count them out, of course, but this is some kind of new, normal end quote.
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And you know, So even though Dawn protected himself and then he really did, he protected himself by saying, You know you can't count them out.
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So if the Patriots do bounce back, maybe win the A F C East, you can say, Hey, I said, Don't count them out.
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But this take was really short sighted, like a very, very short sighted take, because instead of pointing out the differences between New England and Tennessee like I highlighted, Dawn took the lazy narrative to say, Hey, Tennessee was able to get through this.
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How come the greatest coach of all time and a former M V P weren't able to get through this again.
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Two completely different scenarios.
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Two completely different teams.
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Two completely different issues, you know, and that's where we get with this.
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You know, I've been proud of Bill Belichick in his response.
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Thio Kobe, 19 and how he's put health over winning.
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You know, fans don't like it tough.
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You know, I've been proud of the Patriots teams attitude.
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Bill Belichick, Gilmore, Newton.
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Nobody's making excuses.
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Defense didn't give up a touchdown, Gilmore said.
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It.
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We had to make more stops. I actually agree with them.
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They bent a little bit too much.
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Six straight possessions, six straight scoring plays.
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They may have just been field goals.
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Gotta force upon somewhere.
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You know, you win as a team, you lose as a team.
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And he had a guy like Gilmore who could have easily taken that opportunity to call out the often say, Hey, we did our job, but he didn't.
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Newton took full responsibility, said He doesn't want a pity party, so he's got to get back.
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He's got to get the things done.
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You know, when the Patriots win and they go in the locker room and they do their big celebration.
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Belichick always talked about the good week of practice that they had, so it's not surprising in me at all that Bill Belichick said.
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We need to practice, but I can't make this any more clear man.
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I fully expect the Patriots to bounce back.
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I fully expect them to do what needs to be done, and I fully expect the Patriots to be competitors in the A F C East again.
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All right, so just looking in the chat here, not seeing anything.
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Oh, there we go.
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Now it's all come back.
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Are we available to trade for Marvin Jones? Dude, I don't even know if I don't even know if Marvin Jones gonna be available.
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To be honest with you, I know that I know those rumors of kind of swirled that the Patriots could be interested in Marvin Jones.
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But at this point in time, I mean, look, I just wrote Martin Jones and when Martin Jones Patriots just bounced up, I mean, at this point in time to Detroit, want to move him to or do the lion's still believe that maybe they have a possibility.
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I don't know.
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What will it cost them? We'll have to see.
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Um, I think what we need to remember is is we're going to see the Patriots linked to a lot of players, and it's all going to come down to who's available.
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So you're saying so who do you think? First of all, I ignore my question and like, come on, grow up a little bit, Okay? I was talking about something different.
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Then I came back to the chat, so I'll throw that at you.
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So why do you think? Who do you think is the most realistic possibility to address the wide receiver position in this situation? Well, I mean, Marvin Jones is probably one of the more realistic ones, like I mean, let's not fool ourselves that people are just lining up at the door to trade away their receivers.
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Most top receivers played for competitive teams.
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I think the Patriots got a better chance of going out and getting a tight end like Jack Doyle or David a joke you before they could go out and get a wide receiver.
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And I know that we're gonna throw what names like well, A J Green isn't happy.
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We've been hearing that for three years out of Cincinnati.
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The Odell Beckham to Patriots, you know, have been there forever.
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Like, I don't think Val Jackson go out and make a splash and get one of those top tier number one receivers.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna google for you.
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Who can the Patriots trade for? And I bet you a bunch of defensive players here's three receivers the New England Patriots can realistically trade for.
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And just like I said, Marvin Jones is one of them.
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Curtis Samuel of the Panthers is one.
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Marvin Jones is the other, and now they have Alan Robinson.
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But this is an older article.
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So Allan Robinson probably isn't going to be available.
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So I mean, yeah, you're probably looking here at at a Marvin Jones or Samuel.
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I don't know how happy you're gonna be about that, because it's definitely not gonna be, uh, you know, Curtis Samuel and Marvin Jones is not a J.
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Green, not Odell's, Not Julio Jones is not all the ridiculous names that they're gonna put out there.
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So I don't know.
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Anyways, Guys, that's it for me tonight.
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That was DPM sport stock here. Live on, SportsCastr.
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Thank everybody who tuned in.
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I'll be back tomorrow at 9 p.
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m.
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Eastern time with my boy Connor for Connor.
00:29:05
Calmer for DPM commentary.
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And besides, that man hope you all have a great day.
00:29:10
Good night, CIA.
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Browns’ David Njoku still wants trade, should the Patriots be interested?

Will the Cleveland Browns trade David Njoku in the next two weeks? The fourth-year tight end certainly hopes they will. A league source told cleveland.com Monday that Njoku is still looking to be traded before the November 3rd trade deadline. Njoku originally asked to be traded back at the beginning of July, but then changed […]

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Hey, what's going on? Everybody Railroad here.
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Hope you all are having a good time and living the dream on this beautiful Monday afternoon or evening.
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And I hope that you all are over that big loss yesterday, uh, to the one and only Denver Broncos with an awful game.
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I'm gonna get into that game in a little while.
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But there is something here that I do want to discuss because I thought really, just with how good everything was going and how you know, everybody was feeling just fine and dandy that perhaps the Cleveland Browns wouldn't be interested in moving David the joke you.
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But some stuff came out today.
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Apparently the fourth year tight end still hopes that they will trade him by November 3rd.
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A league source told Cleveland dot com on Monday that no joke who is still looking to be traded before the November 3rd trade deadline and, you know in the joke, originally asked to be traded back at the beginning of July, but then changed his mind and resented the request a month later.
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Hey, is now once again looking to be traded away.
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The clock is ticking, and I have to wonder.
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Have to think, have to just, I don't know.
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Would Bill Belichick be interested in trying to swing a deal with the Cleveland Browns and bring the joke you in? Because, as we all know, the New England Patriots are in, well, they're in a bad, bad way when it comes to the tight end position.
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A couple names, you know, have been floated around.
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One name that I've really been kind of high on.
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That I think the Patriots could have had a chance to pick up is, is Jack Doyle coming out of Indianapolis? I thought that that could have been, Ah, play for the Patriots.
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Thought that perhaps maybe it would have been a good move for the go after him.
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I really didn't think that the joke who would be available now I was flicking around Twitter earlier today and, well, the joke who said that quote, I did not say anything to Mary Kate about a trade request.
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End quote and you know, so that got me thinking like, Oh, man, what's going on with that? But then Mary Kay comes out and says, Yeah, that's 100% true He said Nothing.
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Other sorts, You know, the joke who never told me that he wanted to be traded.
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So there's obviously something going on, something going down, and I wonder if it has to do with him.
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Wanted to be traded.
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And like I said, there's a team in New England who happened to be looking for a quarterback right now.
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So does it. Fit doesn't work.
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What did the Patriots give up to him for him? Do we care at this point like, are we to me? Are we not at a point where Come on, man, let's just find some sort of help.
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Because the tight end position for the Patriots have just It's been a abysmal this year.
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I'm just pulling up the statues.
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We go.
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I mean, Devon, I see. I see.
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I don't believe has been recorded at all or has been targeted all this year.
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Dalton Keen hasn't even dressed for the team.
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Ryan ISO has made a few catches here and there, obviously gave up or fumbled the ball.
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This season.
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He started five games.
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He's been targeted 11 times.
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He has six receptions for 82 yards and a turnover.
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I have said forever that I don't think the Patriots need a wide receiver over a tight end, I think a good tight end who could go out and catch the football would doom or for the Patriots and going out and finding a wide receiver.
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I think that's one of the reasons I Mohammad Sanu failed for the Patriots last year was because they didn't have a reliable tight end core.
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And it means a little disappointed cause I spent a lot of this offseason talking about how the Patriots tight end's we're gonna be so much better then they were last season.
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And yet here we are again, where they're just non existed on the field.
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And after what we saw against Denver yesterday, it's obvious that at some point Cam Newton needs somebody reliable to throw the football to man.
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I've been at a point like why don't you just turn to kill Harry into a tight end and see if you can put him on some tight end routes and if that will change things around.
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But joke, who's a very interesting case, and I'm just pulling up his stats as we talk here.
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But e think he's got what he's on his fourth year.
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He's gonna be a free agent at any time.
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I thought that this trade could have happened all the way back in September.
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He's only been targeted seven times this season.
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Not like seven times. That's it.
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He had a 50 yard game against Baltimore in the six yard game against Indianapolis, a seven yard game against Pittsburgh.
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I mean, that's that's That's insane.
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He's got five catches on the year.
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Last year, he dealt with somebody only played three games, Glass three.
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That was some injury problems, only had five catches, but back in 2018 you have 56 receptions, 639 yards, 2017.
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He had 32.
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So it's not like the Patriots be bringing in a superstar of any sorts.
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It's not like he's going to completely be able just to turn this franchise around and suddenly make him a legit contender.
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I'd still love the Patriots to try to find some receiving help somewhere else to know I don't have a name for you.
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I don't think it's gonna be a big name, but I think the joke who can do better than Ryan is Oh, obviously the Patriots don't trust Dalton, King and Devon Asea.
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See, they don't even try to use them or game plan them or make the game plan with the milk involved in it.
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So I mean, the Patriots gonna have to try to make a move that works for the team and maybe David, No joke.
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Who is the guy? No.
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Belichick made a splash last year, gave up a second round draft pick for Mohammed Sunu.
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It didn't work.
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I think we all gotta admit we were pretty excited when it first came about, though.
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Don't pretend like you weren't, man.
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I saw the response of the reaction.
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Everybody thought, Oh, finally we got Brady some help.
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And then I think what happened was was Mohamed Sanu turned out to be a guy whom or benefited from playing with Julio Jones and he really was just, you know, being himself but the Patriots need to do something like, I don't think there's any more that.
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We could just sit here and pretend that this Patriots often is gonna be fine.
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I mean, kudos to Cam Newton, who consistently keeps boosting up his receivers, who keeps, you know, giving it the old rah rah.
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Let's do it type of thing.
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The answer is in the dressing room.
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Well, at some point, the dressing room needs to respond because it's just been bad.
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Both receivers and tight ends and thats everybody.
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I mean, I don't wanna be that guy, but have you been overly impressed with Julian Edelman this year? I haven't been struggling to get separation when he does drops footballs.
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A lot of things that aren't working.
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Nikkila Harry failing to get separation him and Cam Newton.
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The timing seems to be off.
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Do you blame Harry? Do you blame Cam Newton for that final play yesterday? I don't know.
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Samir Bird seems to get open.
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Cam Newton just can't find them.
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Is that on Cam Newton that on Dimier Bird? Jacoby Meyers, who was a big part of the Patriot receiving court last year, can't find the field zero snaps yesterday.
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Gun Rozanski is just a special teamer.
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So I mean, at some point, Bill Belichick has to go out and say, Man, we need more than what this team is offering us.
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So the question is, what is he going to dio? And you know, at 2000 is asking me, Do you think the Patriots could trade for David to Joe Q and a wide receiver? I mean, are we at a point, perhaps, that the Patriots have to do that if they're not going to and they're only gonna trade for one unless you're going to get like an A J.
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Green or in Allen Robinson or something of that nature, then I'd prefer them to get a tight end.
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If not, David the Joker talked about Jack Doyle a lot.
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I really liked oil and think that he could be a big contributor to this Patriots team.
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Now, if you're getting a joke, you maybe, perhaps I don't know.
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Maybe perhaps you don't have to go out and get in a J. Green.
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You can try to find some other kind of help.
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I think if you could find a solid number three receiver to move to mere Bird to the number four because, as good as the mayor Bird is, he's not a true number three.
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He's a true number four, and, you know, I think he's kind of being set up a little bit.
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The way Chris Hogan was set up his final year with the Patriots in 2018 where he was just in a position not to succeed.
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Same with Cordero.
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Patterson was the number three who really should have been a number four.
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You know, perhaps maybe keeping Phillips or set would have been a better decision for the Patriots this year.
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And I dont.
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Phillip Dorsett wasn't a popular character, and a lot of people, you know he was a first round of people saw him in the draft bus and yeah, yeah, filters.
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That's a little bit of a drop last.
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I'm not.
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You know, I'm not going to sit here and say he's not.
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But I think there's, Ah, part of me that believes he could have been a bigger contributor to this team.
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Who knows, With his speed and Cam Newton's ability to move around, what could you know? What could have happened between those two but here we are.
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I'm gonna admit, you know, when this story came across, I saw the tweets, saw the story, and then when I was setting up for the show today and I was on, you know, SportsCastr, looking at the stories that they want covered.
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And that was one of the top NFL news to cover.
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I mean, I kind of had to jump on it, because even though it's not patriots related, I feel like it had to be Patriots related.
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And I'm really interested What you guys think Let me know.
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Should the Patriots trade for David? No joke.
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You alright? Because at some point, they have to get better.
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Anyways, I want to thank.
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Everybody is coming in here.
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Live on SportsCastr Mary Jeffrey Logan.
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Really appreciate that. 2000.
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I didn't realize that you were Logan Manahan.
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Old school.
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Yeah, D p n follower.
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One of the O.
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G s back in the dear Pats Nation days.
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I appreciate you coming on here and saying hello over here on SportsCastr.
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Um, all by my lonesome today, it's not a bad thing.
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I can deal with it.
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I'll tell you one thing, though.
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Man after being on SportsCastr news and being with corner and all that kind of stuff.
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It's a lot easier to do these shows with people not having to create all this content on your own.
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But I appreciate you all coming in here, man.
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Hope that you're all doing well.
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Hope that things were good.
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You know, my major topic that I wanna talk about today is I want to talk about the New England Patriots and basically, are they as bad as they look yesterday? And that means some people think some people think now that was just a one off. No practice.
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Some people like, yeah, they are that bad.
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It's gonna be an ugly season.
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Who's here? Live on SportsCastr.
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Appreciate you all coming over and joining the stream and talking a little bit of football with me.
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All right, look, I wanna give just my overall thoughts on yesterday's game.
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The game that was played on the field look yesterday's loss against the Denver Broncos.
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It was ugly, like really ugly.
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There's no denying that, all right, you know, give the defense of credit.
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They didn't let the Denver Broncos score a touchdown, but they let Denver score on their first six possessions.
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You know, in the fourth quarter of the Patriots were down, what, 18 to 3.
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The offense did nothing until the fourth quarter.
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You know, frankly, even though there was, like a little bit of hope, you know, the Patriots had no reason to be in the game yesterday.
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Cam Newton. He didn't look good.
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Poor pocket awareness, right? Held onto that football too long.
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Sometimes it was kind of too slow going through his progressions.
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I think it was at least five times yesterday.
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If you look at the film premiere Bird was wide open.
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He couldn't find him.
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He missed a wide open Asi.
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Asi, who finally got to go out and catch a pass, made a couple of poor decisions.
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It was an unexpected performance, to be honest with you, because you know, that's not what you expected to Cam Newton.
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What did that do that brought out the Cam Newton haters, didn't it? You know, of course, it didn't help that Tom Brady played a phenomenal game yesterday in Tampa Bay, just kind of steamrolled the Green Bay Packers Patriot fans were subjected to a Tom Brady to rob Gronkowski touchdown throw, and I know that that's very hurtful for people.
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And, you know, according to the Twitter followers, that I was falling in the morning.
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Apparently, um, New England Patriot fans were just ripping the pawn Cam Newton on sports talk radio this morning.
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Yeah, when you look at yesterday's game, yesterday's game was bad.
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It was awful, to quote Shaquille O Neal, it was horrible and awful.
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It was horror awful.
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But guys, that doesn't mean that it's going to be the norm.
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It doesn't mean that I'm gonna expect Tom or Cam Newton to play that bad for the rest of the season.
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Honestly, Patriot fans, you all need to just take a breath and chill a little bit.
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Seriously, Cam Newton has done great since coming to this team, and and the people were, but I get it.
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People were looking for somebody to blame yesterday.
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I get it.
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I heard a lot of people blaming the play calling.
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They're upset with Josh McDaniels.
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I'm gonna be honestly, I don't blame Josh McDaniels for yesterday's game.
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He could have called the greatest game of all time, that offense and the players on the field, the ones who actually play the game.
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They couldn't execute anything.
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They had to get a spark from some tricks.
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Trick plays and Julian Edelman had to throw the football twice.
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You know, for most of the game, the wide receivers couldn't find an inch of separation.
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The run game was ineffective.
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Doesn't matter who you line up.
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Damian Harris, Rex Burkhead, James White.
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They didn't run the football well.
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All of them ran under four yards per carry.
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Cam Newton was the only one who could actually run the football.
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I have said the Patriots are not gonna be successful of Cam.
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Newton is your highest Russia.
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The run game has toe work.
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So you know the offensive line, man, I got blown up yesterday and because of injuries is because of injuries because of Kobe list, all that kind of stuff.
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But I got blown up.
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Isaiah Wind got blown up twice.
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Tuning got blown up on a play.
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You know, I will say, though, man, if but this this exact same scenario happened last season to Tom Brady.
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Oh, the excuse Train would be in full force.
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How? It's not Tom Brady's fault.
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So it's just that's why it's amazing to me how Cam Newton just gets blamed for everything.
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And, you know, it was an ugly game for the Patriots.
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One of the ugliest games we've seen in a long time, and I kind of say that Patriot fans were prepared for it.
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Does it seem really that bad? No, not at all.
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You know, there's so many different factors that you have to take into consideration.
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When you look at that Denver Bronco game yesterday, you gotta look at the lack of practice time.
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The offensive line injuries the offensive lineman who are on the covert list.
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Cam Newton hasn't played a game since Week three, and he's had one practice in one walk through.
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You know, after watching the games against the Miami Dolphins, the Seattle Seahawks, the Las Vegas Raiders? Do we really expect to see a repeat of the Denver game this year from New England? Common sense tells you the Patriots aren't this bad.
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It was one week, you know the other thing.
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I want people to realize to is the Patriots situation with the whole cove in 19? You know, I don't know.
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You wanna call a small outbreak, but is an outbreak.
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But the whole situation, it isn't comparable to the Tennessee Titans situation, because that's the popular narrative right now, right? Well, the Titans keep winning.
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The Titans went through the same thing that the Patriots went through.
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They've won both their games is coming back.
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What's the Patriots excuse? Well, there are no excuses, Okay? A loss is a loss.
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The team's not making excuses the coaches and making excuses.
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The players aren't making excuses, but I will say what the New England Patriots went through is different than what Tennessee went through the Patriots roster turnover they had between 2019 and 2020.
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It's significantly greater then the roster turnover that Tennessee had, and that is a huge factor in why Tennessee was able to bounce back in New England was you had a short off season.
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You had no pre season.
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You had key players opting out.
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You lost key defensive players near and you've got a brand new quarterback learning a brand new system, playing with brand new weapons who basically didn't play for three weeks.
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The on leeway the teams get better is to play together.
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See, the Titans already had that familiarity with each other.
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They were already familiar with what they could do offensively.
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New England doesn't have that luxury, and I understand that people want to compare apples to oranges to fit their thought process, because you gotta blame somebody.
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But it doesn't work that way.
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You have to make an apples to apples comparison, and it's not there.
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The problem is, though, is everybody is going to run with that narrative.
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Whether you're a fan, a media personality, whatever you know, I wanna share this with you.
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So Daum Constantino from the score, wrote an article today called Eight Takeaways from Week six, and he did write a little piece about the Patriots and he wrote this.
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He went quote, Yeah, yeah.
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The New England Patriots have had to reshuffle their offensive line because of injuries and covert 19 precautions and prevented them from practicing much in recent weeks.
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But the Titans of face similar issues, and they keep winning.
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New England, on the other hand, lost at home to the Denver Broncos who were without tight end Noah Fant.
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Running back Melvin Gordon, an edge rusher. Von Miller.
00:22:17
The Patriots played a better game on the road against the Kansas City Chiefs without Cam Newton on a night that they had to fly to the game on the same day.
00:22:26
The Patriots are in third place in the A F C East with the two and three record, the first time they've been below 500 this late in the season.
00:22:32
In 18 years Now it's too soon to count them out, of course, but this is some kind of new, normal end quote.
00:22:39
And you know, So even though Dawn protected himself and then he really did, he protected himself by saying, You know you can't count them out.
00:22:45
So if the Patriots do bounce back, maybe win the A F C East, you can say, Hey, I said, Don't count them out.
00:22:50
But this take was really short sighted, like a very, very short sighted take, because instead of pointing out the differences between New England and Tennessee like I highlighted, Dawn took the lazy narrative to say, Hey, Tennessee was able to get through this.
00:23:05
How come the greatest coach of all time and a former M V P weren't able to get through this again.
00:23:12
Two completely different scenarios.
00:23:14
Two completely different teams.
00:23:16
Two completely different issues, you know, and that's where we get with this.
00:23:30
You know, I've been proud of Bill Belichick in his response.
00:23:33
Thio Kobe, 19 and how he's put health over winning.
00:23:40
You know, fans don't like it tough.
00:23:45
You know, I've been proud of the Patriots teams attitude.
00:23:48
Bill Belichick, Gilmore, Newton.
00:23:51
Nobody's making excuses.
00:23:54
Defense didn't give up a touchdown, Gilmore said.
00:23:56
It.
00:23:57
We had to make more stops. I actually agree with them.
00:23:59
They bent a little bit too much.
00:24:01
Six straight possessions, six straight scoring plays.
00:24:04
They may have just been field goals.
00:24:08
Gotta force upon somewhere.
00:24:12
You know, you win as a team, you lose as a team.
00:24:16
And he had a guy like Gilmore who could have easily taken that opportunity to call out the often say, Hey, we did our job, but he didn't.
00:24:24
Newton took full responsibility, said He doesn't want a pity party, so he's got to get back.
00:24:29
He's got to get the things done.
00:24:33
You know, when the Patriots win and they go in the locker room and they do their big celebration.
00:24:36
Belichick always talked about the good week of practice that they had, so it's not surprising in me at all that Bill Belichick said.
00:24:44
We need to practice, but I can't make this any more clear man.
00:24:50
I fully expect the Patriots to bounce back.
00:24:58
I fully expect them to do what needs to be done, and I fully expect the Patriots to be competitors in the A F C East again.
00:25:16
All right, so just looking in the chat here, not seeing anything.
00:25:29
Oh, there we go.
00:25:30
Now it's all come back.
00:25:33
Are we available to trade for Marvin Jones? Dude, I don't even know if I don't even know if Marvin Jones gonna be available.
00:25:44
To be honest with you, I know that I know those rumors of kind of swirled that the Patriots could be interested in Marvin Jones.
00:25:53
But at this point in time, I mean, look, I just wrote Martin Jones and when Martin Jones Patriots just bounced up, I mean, at this point in time to Detroit, want to move him to or do the lion's still believe that maybe they have a possibility.
00:26:11
I don't know.
00:26:14
What will it cost them? We'll have to see.
00:26:20
Um, I think what we need to remember is is we're going to see the Patriots linked to a lot of players, and it's all going to come down to who's available.
00:26:42
So you're saying so who do you think? First of all, I ignore my question and like, come on, grow up a little bit, Okay? I was talking about something different.
00:26:51
Then I came back to the chat, so I'll throw that at you.
00:26:55
So why do you think? Who do you think is the most realistic possibility to address the wide receiver position in this situation? Well, I mean, Marvin Jones is probably one of the more realistic ones, like I mean, let's not fool ourselves that people are just lining up at the door to trade away their receivers.
00:27:13
Most top receivers played for competitive teams.
00:27:17
I think the Patriots got a better chance of going out and getting a tight end like Jack Doyle or David a joke you before they could go out and get a wide receiver.
00:27:25
And I know that we're gonna throw what names like well, A J Green isn't happy.
00:27:28
We've been hearing that for three years out of Cincinnati.
00:27:31
The Odell Beckham to Patriots, you know, have been there forever.
00:27:35
Like, I don't think Val Jackson go out and make a splash and get one of those top tier number one receivers.
00:27:44
I'm gonna I'm gonna google for you.
00:27:46
Who can the Patriots trade for? And I bet you a bunch of defensive players here's three receivers the New England Patriots can realistically trade for.
00:27:56
And just like I said, Marvin Jones is one of them.
00:27:59
Curtis Samuel of the Panthers is one.
00:28:05
Marvin Jones is the other, and now they have Alan Robinson.
00:28:11
But this is an older article.
00:28:13
So Allan Robinson probably isn't going to be available.
00:28:22
So I mean, yeah, you're probably looking here at at a Marvin Jones or Samuel.
00:28:34
I don't know how happy you're gonna be about that, because it's definitely not gonna be, uh, you know, Curtis Samuel and Marvin Jones is not a J.
00:28:43
Green, not Odell's, Not Julio Jones is not all the ridiculous names that they're gonna put out there.
00:28:52
So I don't know.
00:28:54
Anyways, Guys, that's it for me tonight.
00:28:56
That was DPM sport stock here. Live on, SportsCastr.
00:28:59
Thank everybody who tuned in.
00:29:01
I'll be back tomorrow at 9 p.
00:29:03
m.
00:29:04
Eastern time with my boy Connor for Connor.
00:29:05
Calmer for DPM commentary.
00:29:08
And besides, that man hope you all have a great day.
00:29:10
Good night, CIA.
00:29:20
No. Yeah.

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