all right? Yeah.
I mean, yo, me where he sounds static.
Yeah, It all right? What is? I'm sorry about the wait, man.
I'm sorry about the wait, but I didn't want to join the crash.
Y'all know how? Yo, I didn't want They didn't want to join the crash, man.
So and then have you all be talking? They have y'all talking **** about me talking about my dollop e Good, good, good, good.
How are you? Hey, Rick.
I know you wanna dio my head off.
What? I need explanations.
E need to know why.
Why can you hear me? Yeah.
How? How? The young core business.
All those teams you name those guys play.
I'm so confused.
What do you mean? Charlotte Evening, Atlanta, Chicago, Chicago.
Homie said that we're just a good all.
I didn't ask questions.
All I did was ask the question all week.
Our core comparable to their No, you can't just a Chicago.
They had a median.
Like, I don't think I don't think we're as an organization were too far away from these teams.
But but the young talent is not comparable.
They have. They have guys that are established.
***ton is a 20 point score in this league, you know, um, Trey is a 20 point scorer in this league, is an All Star in All Star Chicago.
They have a Levine.
Levine is 24 years old.
He's 26 point score in this league.
Should have been an All Star.
Mhm. We might be last.
What do you say we might be less? We are because our guys don't I mean, I'm not.
Maybe maybe he meant by, like maybe we're projecting were always projecting.
Maybe that's what it is.
Maybe it's a projection thing, but as of today, we're not where they're at.
Well, you can't count.
You can't count draft picks that we don't have it haven't been picked yet.
Yeah, maybe he's projecting now and charging and image and Frank to be better players down the line.
Got to protect that for the other teams.
Thio So? But no, The question was posed to me.
Might be ever asked me.
He said, Hey, how do you rank our core? Are young, core to everybody else, and see, I hadn't thought about I don't think about stuff like that because it's It's like A.
It's like a loaded question because because core means you maybe like, how are they right now? ****, Everybody's trash.
Trade young. I don't care. Trade young radio.
I don't care what kind of *** and averaged 20 points a game in the Cavaliers. A garbage.
You know, I'm saying I don't care nothing about that.
I'm What I'm saying is e I have an issue with those comments because if r J.
Was putting up ***ton's numbers, we'd be hopeful.
We're like, Okay, R J R J R J is ready.
Waiting here are ready to go.
We just need to get him some help.
We just need to do that and then But wait, I wanna win, man.
E everybody e care about all that stuff.
I care about winning, man.
You know, I'm saying it is time out for us, like baby in certain cats and making excuses like we made before we baby the young core.
We used to make 1000 excuses for Carmelo Anthony.
Like all mellow doesn't have enough help.
Almelo only plays sometimes he plays defense minute.
Phil Jackson's on him.
That's why he? I don't care about that stuff, dog.
I don't care about that stuff. I wanna win.
You know what I'm saying? That way care about is that that's not the point.
The point is, is that that's not that's not what That's not what I'm saying, I'm way.
But when you One of the reasons why a lot of people were disappointed about this past season is because of the fact that, um, yeah, we did better than the year before.
But it wasn't yes, you know we were.
We started a veteran lineup of free agents and UM, one year contracts and then R J.
Now, if we had the same record with, the young players would be more hopeful, even if even though we were, we're still losing.
But you'll be more hopeful because the kids are the few wins we have.
They are, they are being contributed by by young players.
So to say that we're better than our core is comparable to those other teams is kind of ridiculous because those other teams it's the young players that's leading the charge.
That's not the situation with us.
So so So you said something to me that made sense, and I think it kind of we kind of glossed over it.
My point, Why? When you said because I was in the mindset that if we're gonna develop a young core into a playoff team, I'm with it as long as we grow the right way.
And you said that, E I don't know if you remember this and that, but But you mentioned the fact that we probably should have ran it back with the other squad, that we couldn't trade the 18 19 team.
You know, I'm saying I would see I wouldn't have I would not have even had an issue with that.
You know what I'm saying? My point was my point was we need to get on a trajectory that leads to significantly more wins as we go across, as we, you know, say progress through the years.
You know, I'm saying so if we win 25 then the next year when 35 then the next year, when 45 I could see at least where we're going.
You know, I'm saying, But when you bring in all these vets and you know you were you know your trajectory was 17 wins and then you're talking about the next year you win 21 you paid all that money and put all this hoping the guys.
Why Frustration lies not in the fact that the young guys didn't do it.
I'm talking about the fact that we just don't have a clear plan or path that we want to go.
You know what I'm saying? That's my frustration.
You know, I'm saying, especially when I feel like if you have young guys that that you can make better just by letting them play.
Then then then I would say, Do not be on board for that.
Even if those young guy, even if those young players were named Noah Vonleh a Mario Hezonja and and cats like that, I just wanna win.
I don't I don't care e don't care about You know the names on the back of the jersey.
I just wanna win, man.
I mean, it's been 20 years legit.
20 years since we've been relevant.
Yeah, but I think we have to be honest with what we have to.
So I mean, what I'm saying That we got complement those other teams.
Yeah, and and at the same at the same time, though at the same time.
Those teams, though, are not on the cusp of making the playoffs.
Those teams are garbage, you know.
I'm saying, Who are they for us to compare ourselves to? I just posed the question because, Mike, you know, I'm saying ask the question legit? Asked one Nick fan asked another Knicks fan.
Well, you know another team, and I just wanted to address it.
So you can you can, you can.
You can draw things out of losses, though.
I mean, the Golden State Warriors and Arkan can, uh, correct me if I'm wrong.
I think you know, then they have, like, they went 28 games or 20 games or something, like in there in the Mark Jackson days before.
But you saw improvement, but they were playing young players and right, you know, So they were building.
But Peyton's on a one year deal and and Portis is on a 11 plus one.
Randall expires at the end of this year, so yeah, we Yeah, we improved from the year before, but it wasn't.
Knox took a step back.
Frank had an increment slight into album.
It pretty much is the same player.
Well, Frank improved, but it was incremental.
So? So I'm saying I can't.
Yeah, I love thanks so much, man.
No, no, I didn't know, You know, you're stuck on Frank.
I said, I said, You know, R J didn't have the year that we thought that we would hope.
I don't think I think I think we probably wanted more eso, you know, Like what with the Mark Jackson.
It's not like he, like he played clay and stuff.
Or like the kids were like, he played our He played David Lee.
Like he didn't play like the scrub kids like he didn't play, you know, they shipped him out like they moved on from right.
You gotta play the good players.
You can't just play guys that don't do it because it's gonna like you're gonna make the other players look better.
You got You have been young players in here that you're forced to play because they're good.
You're not because hey, he's a lottery pick.
I have to play him.
Yeah, well, and you know what I give you a good example so that the Miami Heat traded Josh Richardson and the Jimmy Butler Jail, right? That was a solid young piece for them.
They also traded Justice Winslow to get, uh, Crowder and Iguodala, right? Another another lottery pick from them.
They traded those young pieces and made the NBA finals, right, So? So my my point to it is is is if it takes training some of these young cats to get to the finals.
I e man, look, look, the reason why you even come to tip off is toe win.
So you need Thio, man, you need to try to win every drill.
You need to win every everything in weight training.
You need to approach it like it's do or die everything.
You know, if you gotta be hungry.
You know, I'm saying for this thing because things that are hungry don't win.
They just don't.
I mean, look, a look, a look it over the years, all of all the draft picks the Minnesota Timberwolves have had they're not a hungry franchise, you know, I'm saying they drafted a lottery everywhere.
They're not starving, and they are exactly who we think they are.
They're just a random, more bon franchise that draft high in the lottery every year, right? I mean, that's that's just what it is.
You know what Golden State was? Was hungry.
They come from a championship pedigree back in the seventies.
You know, I'm saying they legit.
Wanna win what I'm saying.
But the Knicks we have to kick this thing into gift with winning at everything is the most important thing.
Well, let's start with the draft last year.
What is that? How many wins did Miami have last year? They were like they were like, the night.
See anything? They didn't make it because waiting was retiring.
They drafted good enough to be able to send off Winslow and Jason Richardson.
Not Jason Richardson, but yeah.
No, they they found players.
They always not be hurt by it because they drafted.
Good enough, Like the Knicks? Like, Oh, Andhra.
It's almost like the gotta gotta have these veterans in here just toe.
When? 20 games. Yeah.
All right. Duncan Robinson Robinson.
First year playing on you in the mid in the league? I think so.
I know he was undrafted.
But I know he's old, though.
He said, This is this is a second year, second year.
So he came in last year.
If you play last year, you play like 50 10 minutes.
Bringing yeah, right opportunity.
Eso you always you? Well, yeah, that's true.
And so the thing the thing is with bringing a Tom Thibodeau and this is what I've been wanting for him.
I remember I used to get smashed on Twitter for saying the Knicks should sign.
Should go after Lionel Hollins because he's just out there sitting on somebody's bench.
And the reason why I was saying go after a long line of Hollande's is at least a cat like that would establish a baseline.
Like if you get a lot of Holland, you automatically know regardless.
Once on your roster, you're gonna win at least 45 games.
You know something.
And if you get into the playoffs, you know, I'm saying you at least have a chance to win a championship.
But we were running it, you know? I'm saying David Fisher hollers, wasn't won 45 games with the roster.
Derek Fisher head no or Fizdale.
Yeah, a draft coach? Yeah, coaches in LeBron James, you know? Yeah, but my man, but Lionel Hollins established something.
Like like when he comes to you.
Well, back then.
I don't know about now, but back then, you knew when you were getting into, like, you knew his system was gonna be something like a grit and grind or something.
Right? When Fizdale got here, you didn't know what type system we were running were like, What's the direction of the team? But I don't know.
We just bringing a young guy fist.
And with Derek Fisher, you like, You know what? The direction of team, we're gonna run a triangle.
Well, ****, that's offense.
What about the Yeah, uh, I was gonna get, uh, we had we've had in just this century.
14 coaches in 20 mhm 20 years.
Can you break up? Hey, Froze? Yeah, four years, man, that's like that.
That's like every every almost if you really divided, it's like almost a year and a half each time you get a new coach.
So you got to get you know, it's not blaming the coach.
The talent is good.
And you could obviously like, Okay, you know we're underachieving.
We got we got, you know, like like Phoenix Waas Phoenix had talent and then But they were They were they were under its Keating and they coach So I think we have the coach e so I can't.
There's no more complaining.
So now it's all about the talent.
Let's focus on the talent now.
We can't be one no more tweets about spread, pick and rolls, Right? Right.
We need players now, man.
Now we need players.
How many wins did Miami have last year? Uh, because I'm just trying to figure out they're 39.
They had 39 So they were close.
They made the playoffs, then 39? No, there were nine.
39th seat with 39.
Yeah, like, uh, I think Brooklyn was Thesiger, right? They had 40 or something.
The great Kenny Atkinson.
Man, I can't believe yesterday, man.
I could You had somebody just hyping about.
So we have along with it wasn't me e so so in the topic get us to where you want to be Free what other players that we can get that's gonna get us down the winning track.
Okay, so So here's Here's the deal.
I think if you if you trade for Russell Westbrook and you aggressively go after, Ah, Christian would, um I think that might be enough to at least get us to and that 40 when Situation F.
Tom Thibodeau is the coach that we think he is, right? And so And I might be the only one like pushing aggressively for Christian would like on a on A on a, um, on a multi year deal.
But But I do believe Russell Westbrook and his shot creation not for himself all the time but for others gets us to like 40 wins.
So is that a that a five year plan or that you're just worried about next year? I'm talking.
I'm well with Russell Westbrook.
If you trade from Russell Westbrook, you got to start the clock immediately.
You know, I'm saying we're talking about like, being creative, you know, adding pieces to Russell Westbrook because you don't know how long he's gonna have elite athleticism.
You know what I'm saying? So you want to start the clock immediately with those guys, and then plus, just like I said a few minutes ago, winning should be the most important thing every day.
You know, I'm saying not three years from now, you know what I'm saying? So when you add guys, you know, buying like what? Chuck D said.
And every time he say it, it's absolutely true.
You have to draft correctly.
You have to do this stuff in the draft.
You know, I'm saying you have to draft the right guys.
You know, it is just one of those things is true.
The first time, he said, I was like, this dude spot on, You know what I'm saying? And every time you say it is like you know, it's even Mawr accurate.
Like when he said, Even though that's impossible, you know, same fact being more accurate.
But it's just a building and almost having like a I hate to say it like a developmental year.
I'm scared of 40 wins this this coming season because of the draft because of the next draft.
Well, it sounds like the Knicks are with you because they say their eyes on the to 2021 drive.
Yeah, because 40 wins is, uh, purgatory, that xyz purgatory? Yes, E.
I don't know if it's purgatory, because Miami has been drafting 13 every year.
And, um, in the finals.
Like you just have to You have to have, like, a legit scouting department.
That nor wherever they draft, they could draft somebody.
Good, right? Reporter.
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Yeah, I think Porter was 11.
I think Porter Jr was 11 and then e 11 bridges was 11.
Uh, so, yeah, he was, like, 13 or something.
Thought Mitchell was even 14 or 17.
Yeah, that was 13.
Look, it was Porter Jr was thinking mhm a state.
You wanna come on? Uh, state wanna come in? E was never on what state.
I was never over state yet.
E really wanted.
I just really wanted I really wanted to rip that dude, man, we're talking about when he was talking crazy e like this, but he was thought he was.
He wasn't on his game today.
Like he said garage, it would be too expensive.
Yeah, like we're talking.
He's not, Of course, more than than f d a.
You got a you know, he's gonna cost you less than Russell cost.
Cost less than Yeah, but he's not gonna be the player those guys are not because he's not good.
He's only he's here to give you one or two years and then be be a veteran mentor.
To what? Hopefully we draft a young point guard he's coming here for.
So So now that you clarified your point, I understand where you're coming from.
But but say, for instance, if you get a Russell Westbrook, you're expecting a elite and elite um M v P caliber point guard, right? And that's what you expect because of the money that you're making.
And plus, Russell Westbrook has not been an elite MVP caliber point guard, and you could get him at significantly less.
You've been borderline all star.
So for the money that that you spend on him um, e could I could I could see where you're coming from when making that point.
But what vivid saying, if you're looking at it in an elite all star caliber borland EVP type point guard, Okay, I don't know if it drag edges in that conversation and Russell's elite All Star days are behind them.
They're not in front of them, so they're not gonna.
So you don't think Russell Westbrook's gonna make the all star team in the East at guard? Yeah.
No, he'll make it.
Yeah, yeah. Hell, yeah.
He gonna make it? Yeah.
I mean, he might start.
You know why? You Yeah.
He hasn't lost anything, is just that just a on.
He didn't have the ball.
Hey, didn't have the borders.
He didn't have the ball in there saying as much as he did.
So what's the deal with us in these guys that can shoot? I don't get it.
What's the love of fear? So e like John Murray this morning.
We're true New Yorkers, you know, because New York point guards, that's that's their m o.
Except for Marbury.
Marbury, most New York.
And I guess Kim, but But Kim Kim.
But New York? Yeah, he is about Oh, no.
Oh, a You come in his swing and I'm a research.
So e exit lobbing exit, right.
My my phone services trash, and I'm gonna get on my laptop.
I'm gonna use my laptop.
Ah, he looked like Cliff Rothe.
What's the fast brings as a three point shooter? My point is, he's an elite shotmaker.
For others, he literally create shots for others.
He's averaged 10 assists a game in two seasons.
Was the last time the Knicks had a guy that average 10 assists a game? Yeah, that's what That's what I'm saying.
And he is in elite shotmaker for others that can't create their own shots.
I mean, even after set on six attempts a game from from Westbrook, it still wouldn't be better than him getting tennis this game.
So we're bottom were bottom and shooting, right? Yeah.
Who is he passing to and you bring? You bring Westbrook.
He you think he helps the shooting? I'd rather have CP three.
All right, Thank you.
So for the fact that he'll make others around him better or do you feel like he's a better distributor? I think they both will do that.
He'll he'll make things easier for everyone else.
But like CP three could shoot.
Yeah, Cp three can shoot.
Yeah, I'll give you.
I'll give you only two years of CP three in the contract.
Russell Westbrook's, like, four years.
That's four years of $47 million man.
Now, three years of Westbrook, right? No.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's four e mean, so So for guys that that watch the show.
Generally, what I use as a, um, as a resource is spot track to look up players contracts.
So if you go back, you think that is the best one? Oh, yeah.
Who's hyped for? Yeah, yeah.
So, uh, all right, let's go.
He has a contract until 2023.
He had a three years from, you know? Yeah, it's crazy.
But But, my God, it's still 34 because tragic is coming off 5.
90. Yeah, and he's 34.
He's just gotten injury.
He's not getting that kind of money anymore.
You got You got his big payday.
That's what this is the kind of money that is the kind of money that cpt not cpt.
But VVe is gonna get.
He's gonna get well, man.
What? You're not gonna get a big, big Oh, hey, Read the dragon in the chat.
Oh, my God, Guillermo.
Just a defendant, Frank, yesterday.
Hey, your boy is in the chat.
Salute! Salute! Hey, Salute Dragon.
I know Gamble was gonna come, and I can't believe he said Luca Dosage is not Yeah, he troubling y'all.
Man, That dude, I'm telling you, he's trolling y'all, man.
Yeah, e told you what I told you, okay, Just say that, man.
My ideal of Susan with regards to the point guard situation is is way.
Get killing in Hayes aan den.
We get Rogic, you get a Bill State, I'll defend knocks A Uh huh, e o blocks.
How you gonna defend Frank and then called Rogic ass ass in the same sentence? No, no, no, no, no, no.
I agree with I agree with drug.
I'm with the Dragic Georgia, and Killian Hayes.
There's no guarantee you get kicked.
I guys thinking about 2021 when the Knicks were never gained the first pick.
I'm just e mean after desire on tobacco that we would learn our lesson.
Yo state, you already got a invite, man.
Just click the button.
What you're doing? You just You just showed up with your phone.
You shut up in your phone and said he's gonna get on the laptop, But now you're asking Funny.
Let's let's just suck in tow.
Yamani Bates is a Yeah, this draft draft eligible GMO.
Try to see if you could find one fast break that Frank had from coast to coast rebound to go coast to coast find once you've done it, Knocks has done it several times his rookie year.
There's one find.
Find him one time out of three years about where you acknowledge that not done it multiple times is rookie right? E o s's in the booth.
E e o disrespected my role player.
Yeah, we owe Mr 63 and two is a role player.
So let let let let let me clear that out of the room right now.
Okay? Now, what I'm not gonna do is disrespect, Fred, because every championship team has a role player aka Alex Caruso.
That's what you're not gonna dio.
You're not gonna dio what you're not gonna dio is disrespect.
What you're not gonna do is disrespect Derek Fisher.
You're not gonna dio I'm sick of this notion that Frank is trash.
Go ahead. Go ahead.
How many of those guys that you just named were actually drafted by those teams? Well, none of them drafted the Oh, that's very true.
But e o You made our point, though, Before you, for example, you made our point.
I know what you named a bunch of second rounders.
And, uh, dudes, uh, and you're defending somebody that was drafted eighth.
But I don't care about where you're drafted because hold on.
Any draft after after three is a crapshoot because they imagine a bucks picking Johannes and thinking he's gonna be M V P at 15.
That's a lot of you using.
It looks like if you go about that logic, I use that to I'm not going far as M V P.
But I think that's really good.
But we're not talking about 15.
We talk about top 10.
, man, we got way talking top 10.
But don't place this negative.
His first two seasons was asked for a trade Frank.
I wanted to trade. Uh huh.
He finally learned how to play point guard. Let's be consistent.
So you guys are how many how many points are Pass it once they across half court e How many workers do that? He's the only one that does that.
But you gotta understand and finish that office.
What was Frank doing every time he came across Half Court game? Okay, you answer the question, please.
Yeah, he's still Hey, with Fizdale e was holed up.
How can you? I'm sorry.
I ****ing enough trying to find a friend.
E tell you all this I forgot who put on Twitter and then it might know it.
Frank literally has the best defensive stats against looking donkeys.
We've seen him rookie year.
Be the best offensive player off guard against the pick and roll.
Two of them are not your bro.
Kevin Knox jumped over a bowl like a cartoon, and it rolled under him like, yo, bro.
He has the worse awareness I've seen out of any player.
Forget the offense, guy.
Let's get bottle of backdoor screens.
The guys confusing now the block thing is good.
That's something you could build up a but Kevin Knox not wanna kill Frank.
You also be kidding.
Killing Kevin Ware.
Anything to say about not so is that they do not run enough almost screens.
They'll basically like paying Kentucky.
First of all, you cannot call it God's Soul.
Who's second on the team and blocks you can't e black you want with Julius Randle? 1000 more than Kevin Knox blocks.
That is fat Julie Freedom played 1000 more, Minister Kevin, not hey has twice is less blocks that.
Yes, go right now, Trump, If I'm lying, I'm flying.
If I'm lying like knocks at a 10000.
0, not at a point.
Last season had more true box the Julius Randle Bobby Portis combined and you praise empty sacks.
Stop praising empty sacks.
I'm sick of hearing about joyous man who's 19 and not e.
You're 20 spaghetti court getting used to put up, like 20 and 10 or whatever on, like, terrible teams.
I don't know where E Now look at this, right? Not 55th and blocks.
Who knocks Mitchell Robinson 2.
0 A **** the total e couldn't find a Frank Miller Kina fastbreak.
You got exact research options as well too, man.
Can I say something? E should look at block rate as opposed to just blocks, because Knox didn't play a lot of minutes.
But E Block is overrated.
Go look at his field goal percentage versus the average field goal percentage, right? Look at that compassion.
And he's still not not my saving grace with Knox.
And my only defense of knots is that he started playing basketball late so you could tell the way he plays, he lacks feel.
The one thing I would give him credit for is that I don't know if you guys notice it, but I see the travels with things and, um lastly, he was I not laugh this past season.
Then I like knocks the year before because the year before Fizdale just get yeah, uh, a probability.
And, uh, I saw some.
Actually, he actually was passing the ball on giving the system and clay making check out the oh, between your lottery picks.
Mind you not Frank.
Mitch, please roll together.
They won't forget the vets.
Let's forget the best from one time.
Let's forget the best straight.
Our draft picks, they lost wealth.
They was well, together.
That is no, because there was a lot of Booth kids wasn't a double digits, both games with seven sisters.
So this is one way is losing.
Know? Chuck? Chuck.
I need context when we speak right.
We watched every game. Ganamos.
Watch a game when Nick Kids was plus 15 Philadelphia.
And then when? The best game in that game.
The best lost that lead.
And by the time the kids getting back in the game, he was down.
Funny, that's not back.
I don't remember exactly which game was by.
Do remember when the Philadelphia game that Not where random looked off our Jay in the corner.
I don't think it is.
That one, I think, is the one they played at home.
Right where we are.
Alright. You talked about the older blocks.
30 e don't care about Taj.
I don't care about Taj.
I don't care about nobody.
That's not in the future.
I don't care about nothing.
E 30 and 62 games.
Knox had 2028 65 games.
How many more minutes? The Taj play the Knox.
Now you want minutes? But a block? The blocks that blocks that in itself A blocks that in itself about proper context.
Not is not the right thing to look at because we don't know if he's a week's first of all blocks.
I wanna say that as, like, glint like they cut, you know, that's a glimmer, but I want to speak.
What are your What is your percentage? This is why I use with knots, and it did slightly.
But it's still ah, positive French, which is not good.
What is what is the average players field goal percentage and what is their field goal percentage when they're playing you? And it's paused.
Its its higher when Knox is playing them versus their normal average, which is not good.
So a back door slot back you two guys beating, knocked to the basket, makes that stupid file with literally making the layup and not so hit him like, Oh, it's like a terrible reaction.
He's flat footed, so he has.
Hey, has terrible anticipation.
If you're not, if you're not like like the thing about guys like Shane Battier, guys like Bruce Bowen, you're right.
They don't have necessary the greatest athleticism or twitch, but it's all about anticipation in time and right.
It's all about getting myself in the proper position to defend a certain place.
If I have a guy right there in a corner three and I don't like to make backdoor cuts the baseline of my friend, I am not letting him get that baseline.
I'm gonna pull up his baseline.
It's always cut in front of me. Nazis.
Yeah, that's not a coaching as well.
Like the coach last E Z Things like Bruce random not being able to pass out the double team like you don't need Pat Riley to come down and tell you, Hey, when they're coming way, they're not going to run the basketball, but they're not going to run the same stuff way.
Say it again for you.
You're comparing times.
Who's the starting center? Tow away.
Just e care about the blocks.
Give the significant of the block.
It's the improvement compared to thank you compared to the previous year, where he was assisted this past year.
This past year, that that's an improvement.
The fact that he was blocking shots and knocks his future is not Bruce Bowen's or or any one of these great defensive players.
Okay, so his offense is gonna have to outweighs defense because he's not a great defender, so we know that.
So can I ask your generic war? Can I ask you a question? That right? So this goes back to Frank now, right? So Frank me and say, New York believe and this is why I think Frank has punched because I think he's gotten terrible coaching right now.
You just said he's gonna have to work on his scoring, right? Knox is not an eso score when he drives to the basket. Very linear.
He doesn't have a radio, have a lot's of game.
He doesn't have a little elbow jumping.
You can't get the proper coach because you can't even with Frank.
This is why I'm not like when these crazy guys on Frank.
I love Frank, but I've always said Frank has to marry his game to the N B.
A game for knots.
If he can't, they do not run similar things.
That Kentucky, where he's a primary target, right? He's being used to move off the ball and they're looking at getting around the screen, giving the ball as he's moving e.
What does not have to do? What? What, what areas of his game you see now? Then you say, All right.
I could see him with a postgame or I could see him developing the yourself.
What is? Because I don't see it.
Nothing has the floater a little bit.
It's very linear.
There's no it zero e like he's playmaker dependent.
He's gonna need somebody.
Just keep watching, UH, e improvements this past year point guard level, even MBA backup point guard level.
So to me, Frank his role his as he's a secondary secondary playmaker, Not I don't.
I don't want him as a backup point guard or as a starting point guard.
He could play those positions, but you would have to have a team sat with offensive with with Players are very proficient offensively because I it's gonna facilitate and get people a lot of a lot of good look.
But here, But here's the thing about it, and this is this is the thing.
It sucks because it's going to depend on coaching, right? So remember, it's Frank's.
I want to say his first year, right? I saw glimpses of a post game like he literally back down guys and a part of paint and shoot the foothold on them and shoot the little the little turnaround.
Whatever you call it.
I'm not saying that again.
What? I'm trying to say that these coaches this is why guys like, you know, Spoelstra I don't He may feel worry about This is why I like guys like it because they take a guy like Jimmy Butler who up his assist game.
And I know cysts aren't the only indicator of good facilitation, But it is one of the indicators, right? He up his assistant six, about six assists this year, right? And you see him operate a lot from the post, right? Is the same thing LeBron James did.
Loss to the Mavericks came back next year, went to lodge.
You wanna do that stuff heat or OK, see a new ******* by operating in the post.
It's all about is not let's think about getting a e. O.
Hey, why don't you get him against these smaller guys like timber who happens? Basically almost found him.
And if they want to double team. Frank.
If you started to score in the paint against smaller guards, then he could pass out.
Which he can dio do that.
Frank was on the contract.
He won't scoring.
He won't score in the post for smaller guards.
He has no moves.
Hey, need to be placed in the post.
He's not getting their off a dribble.
You know why he got to the post a lot when he was with Jeff on the sack? Because he ran the triangle.
And so, like, like this e people, a lot of people don't even notice.
But there is top prominently in points in the post per possession.
Like so every time our tobacco stuff guarantee point E that you know why? Let's look at all that this guy, huh? You know why you don't see it, though? Because Randall Big Damasio camp in the paint.
You can't crj operate.
This is my right.
Because when you sign when you sign for 19 million, write a thing.
This is why Disrespect Randall a lot.
We signed you to make us be better.
We don't sign you to make us look worse.
We didn't sign them for that.
way random random position in the post.
I actually don't mind in the band.
There's no effort, no hostile on the way people beast.
But I saw the ability even after 80 went dad down.
Randall was more of ah, more of a willing facilitator with that.
Okay, See, with the pelicans, even after 80 went down, he comes to the Knicks.
Who you could argue that at the same time, whatever I know Ju holidays on pelicans.
He's way better anybody on our team.
But for some reason, Julius Randle.
He couldn't pass out the double team, which it amazes me.
You literally see, I've seen juice Randall see the double team coming? He did a spin move into the baseline, jump in and try Tokyo E.
That's not like a 20 year bro.
This is the thing about it is not like a truck.
Because if I see a double team coming and the guy I've seen times guys, they're cutting into the lane, you make that pacify seeing double team coming.
You make that the its participation past because that's it.
Easy not to say.
Look, I'm not saying you can't miss slaves and stuff.
That's the highest.
That's the higher field goal percentage.
Getting New Orleans.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
So I'll admit when I when I was doing when I was looking at all the little veils was watching of, uh, the Pelicans games.
I didn't really pick that up of him doing a bad job of passing out the double team.
But, I mean, that goes to my point, like I don't know what a lot of guys, a lot of guys, a lot of guys the first time for the first season that they're put in a position where, where there, the guy that's getting doubled, it takes them a while to to know how to pass out of the double.
This guy's that struggle, that these guys have struggled passing out.
First of all, I don't want Randall.
Let me make it clear.
I don't want Randall on the team, so I don't even a player.
I have a problem with him on this team.
I have a problem with him being a number one option. That's whatever.
Yeah, e by that.
But that's determined by the quality of players you're playing with.
A lot of times, you know, you put random with another team.
He's not gonna be the number one.
I'll say this, sir, I'll say this, sir, and I always go back to this.
Chris Webber went to that King C understanding.
So I'm not saying Randall's Chris Webber.
Don't ever Chris Webber went to that Kenny's team that was garbage e o to the fullest, and he lifted them with unselfish played.
He played in a post perimeter and wait, What? You just you just set the quality of players.
Now, if you don't get that Kings team now, you know, obviously you had players that we've grown to go.
That guy was good, right? Like Bobby Jackson.
Uh, e can't see garbage.
Oh, before we e don't like, I don't hate Grandma.
I don't like it when we're when we're having these discussions and people pull examples from like, 2030 years ago.
The game is different.
I'm sorry e Onley part trying to make us that you can't have a guy and I'm not saying random, is that necessarily, But even your sacrifice on the offensive end right and also think about random defensively was terrible, terrible.
He's not obey topping.
But he was inconsistent at best.
His best game, I think, was like that Rockets game where we won that game.
That's the best.
I see him play for the next 10 years.
If he gave more of an effort, right, I think Randall is that he's He's too muscle bound, right? So a lot of that energy.
He expends a lot of energy offensively.
He doesn't have any energy, doesn't have any standard.
Doesn't have any endurance, right? You saw that? He did that.
Weightlifting from whatever.
If you wanna be a body builder and an MBA, we have to run up the floor.
Hey there, Republicans to where he's heaving up the floor.
He's not getting back on it like he's.
He has too much weight on him.
So even defensively he's inconsistent because he just doesn't have his body is not conditioned.
He's the best we had and then, you know, he wasn't He wasn't the only problem.
He was part of the problem.
There was multiple problems with this team.
So and I hate when we just pick one guy and try to stay.
You know that the coaching the front office I mean, we've probably had some of the worst front office, uh, was makers, and that's literally think that was not a coach, because I literally watched every game.
You know what? It was not.
It was the last coach of the New York Knicks.
Just tell me who.
The last coach of the New York Knicks? No, why? Everybody act like he never existed.
He coached 44 days out of 66.
Can we stop talking about this deal with 22 games Might never wake up.
If you're gonna bring up the way, we gotta pick on somebody way.
Let's talk about some constructive way.
So let's let's get past this part.
I want to get to the real conversation, right? What is it? What it thinks Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook topics It's a good subject because, like three months ago, I was telling everybody a e what They're friendly.
Which one do you want? You know, it depends because o K C c o k.
C asking for young players and first round picks.
I'm not doing that at all.
If they ask for with in context, I'm not trading Frank Knots in the first round pick.
I'm not trading another that for Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook like you can't have that if you played for Crystal or Russell Westbrook.
The reason why you trained for one of those two is to make those guys What are you going to give up? Huh? What do you, uh, you on the Dallas 2023 pick? You give up the essay, and that's where you get to go.
Like I read the article where say, Tim's They basically saying that Tibbs Arjun mentions off limits.
And then Tim's got a soft spot for Frank, supposedly because we know he's always a trade off.
They didn't mention nothing about not so I'm not gonna include knots but Chris Paul or Rust with R. J.
Knox, Mitch Frank and use the rest of the cat on shooters.
I don't see how that's a bad team.
I don't get way.
You say the word toe watch.
You didn't think Watch a bit of back just to watch.
But will they win? Let me make it more simple.
I think any Corn Guard is better than Alfred paying.
So let's let's start there.
I watch any other point guard without offense than Alfred.
Peyton. I don't care who the point guard is.
So Alfred Payne's best friend, Randal, by the way, he had the highest e o quicker we know.
So So Cp three could help Frank at Knox, but not be S J.
Let me Oh, let me tell you, no point guard and I'm gonna repeat this.
No God, no point guard that's ever played in the MBA that has played over 20,000 minutes and that's about 35 years old has been corrupted.
Eso every point guard that very next season declines.
So my fear about Chris Paul is we get him in the in terms of the Toney Douglas.
That's my fear that Z s e get Russell West because we're Ross.
I think I would like my next team to take on his mentality.
You know, you might do stay in New York.
You might be Oh, my God.
I've been you know? Come on.
So what we owe this is a a girl.
The extension of the jersey again.
Your ass with 20 morning trying to extend the jersey with weight after losing my 30.
Oh, I'm sick of the bottom.
Puts on the floor.
I'm sick of this ****, I said.
I'm thinking a lot of things for respect. Chris.
Let's be Let's be honest.
But what is? What's worth? Is it whatever e.
Barretto have any persons mentality? E Russell Westbrook mentality o r j Back holding r J.
Barrett, to me, is a self.
He's a self sufficient dude like you see hey, happy getting the battery already comes from that line.
Of what? His father, first and foremost.
And Steve Now he comes.
He already has a headache.
Is the type of dude that he'll come to the Knicks and you'll pull that.
Okay, See? Hey, stuff my status.
I'll get a triple double.
And when we get to the playoffs, I'm trying to dip it off to you.
Thio, you, Westbrook Westbrook is you hold up.
You just mentioned about players in over 35. Whatever.
What's fall right? Just real quick, right? Chris? Paul is off that Andre Miller mindset.
Like these point guards who they are trying, and Chris Paul's away better scoring Andre Miller.
He's the last of a dying breed where they get guys easy possessions, right? So you're talking about otherwise, our team who can create we do much offensively, get those guys in position to He is a coach on the foot now his body is breaking down.
He is getting older.
Maybe get him as a stop gap for the last few years on his contract.
I take him or and you can because first of all, you can have Chris Paul here and you could draft a guy who may not be a top guard who could develop into that say, like a Carol Lewis, right? E.
You may not like Errol Louis, but there's a guy who has certain chapters, like if he develops like this, his film could be this right? Who's pause? The type of guy I think FDA would not would not be in the same trajectory that we all think he will be.
Be thes are Black Girl e over the West Westbrook is a I'm sorry.
I was the Westbrook fan for years.
Hurt me to be like, Yo, this dude is Deng, but it is one of the more.
He still won the most explosive players I've ever seen, but that's all.
He predicates his game off explosiveness.
He does not know the game on a higher level.
Besides, let me just drive to the basket.
If the defense collapse on me and I can't make the shot, let me difficult.
You know how many times you go against the rocketeers, right? He literally had thought this was for you.
What? What? We could hit that shot off the backboard right from the from their baseline, right.
Literally had 80 on his wheels, like 80 was off of him.
E defend Westbrook for a second.
You said that he's the guy that's gonna put his fat.
And then when we make the playoffs, So you already conceding that he's gonna lead us to the playoff way? E never said.
What's that? That holding? I'm saying compassionate CP three is wall to e finished my point e in regards to CP three.
I prefer tp three over Westbrook a well for contract reason.
And I think CP three it's a better point guard, and we'll make it.
But you said that secretly makes that other players better.
Westbrook does the same thing, but in a different way.
The fact that he pushes the Pacers creates a lot of easy, easier transitional opportunities for guys that that are not very good in the half court and didn't get these buckets that way.
So you mean why guys like Depot? Oh, crap.
No can use him like the bonus.
You can't use him.
Um e o somebody a bro, a man.
My doing this, all these plays that Westbrook makes better.
And they all left him and did way better.
Another team, right? We all we all agree that we owe it is important.
Oh, really Low is important, right? Chuck, your mike is really Look, you kinda gotta move closer.
So I'm sure, kind of.
What about now? Alright.
All agree that drafting is important, right? One of the keys to building? Yeah.
Stop being scared.
Trump, I'm yelling.
You have a couple of quick beloved, so we should agree that this your make up man.
I think he's fine now, but it might. It might be.
It's your freeze.
Put clothes on E guns, man. That's tax.
Our gym doesn't over there, don't you? Yeah.
Yeah, I got terrible.
All right, so So we should be able to agree that reason the the recent collapse is due.
It all starts with Frank.
No, e o Let me finish.
You already agreed with me.
Drafting is important.
I love this girl.
KP was a good pick. Good pick.
Right after that, Frank.
It started to go downhill.
Now you take Frank.
Now you don't now you think you don't need a point guard, right? Because oh, my God.
You take knots instead of s G J. You.
Um it's a domino effect.
Uh, once you draft bad, you up until you fix that problem.
No, that's called.
Doesn't know what they're doing.
Because you know why? Even though if you see a guy that you drive, you could always say, Look, we're going to this draft s She is a way, way way better process what we have.
You know what? Your point is proven wrong because you wouldn't you? Why you wouldn't bring so many creation point guards to the team.
So that means that they knew that Frank wasn't the answer in their eyes.
But they went into that graph again.
They got convinced by a workout by not work out whatever should never sway you.
It's only may be emboldened what you think about.
Okay, uh, that year instead of instead of knots.
You pick a so young Michael Porter Jr E.
That's not everybody saying Michael put a junio.
This dude literally had he could not even go to the oh, he couldn't go to the workouts because he had debilitating that that issue chronic E o.
So a luxury pick.
The Nuggets were good.
There is a luxury pick now.
Only shipping. No, he was not grow.
He may go through here.
It's probably genetic back injuries.
You never know when it could go Family.
His whole family's jacked up had, like, 100 surgeries.
And his brother can't even make the lead because he's all jacked up So that zio draft Thank you. Thank you.
Let me go back to Frank, because Because you always with, you know, a real quickly before you finished fish.
That was the first time head coach.
They didn't draft. Frank.
Phil Jackson drafted Frank Frank and got fired the next day.
And then on top of that, Frank was drafted for the triangle.
So let's let's keep that in mind.
But also, one more caveat.
Things that had the smallest developmental staff way.
Alright for Alright, alright, Bye for I'm sorry.
That that's a big deal was our first time head coach.
Oh, sorry. Sorry.
Yeah, You wasn't me with questions.
****, He was so horrible.
It felt like it.
God, just just just just to show you it's a domino effect.
Instead of Frank, they took Kuzma.
You wouldn't have.
You wouldn't have been looking at.
That's the same draft.
You wouldn't have been looking at Knox that next year Knox had a better work.
I'd rather Noxon Koosman.
It's a different draft.
I get your point.
It's a your way.
Don't draft Frank.
Then we would have never drafted knocks.
So that's dominance.
Said he had some doubts about Killian.
Haynes don't wanna have my chili in his discussion.
E Yeah, All right.
You will be on a chilly Hey.
Hey. Strange for months.
Um, scared about what? Kelly and hes, right? It's not me.
And your opinion I'm scared about It's the blog's the media the way it's gonna be like, You know how we picked Frank, bro.
He Frank from France and blah, blah, blah.
You know how people is gonna take that killing Hayes pick? That's the That's all the reason why I think like the Knicks is not gonna take killing Jesus killing E.
So let me hear it.
What? You wanna hear work? You really want pros? He said you had doubts about Kelly and Hayes, and he wanted to harm him.
Who has else? Hey, actually, you had e taking positives on him.
I actually is that It depends a lot on that pick and roll.
Um, so you need the offense is gonna use that a lot with him, but I think I forgot what I read this.
I think he had, like, a pretty good percentage on like he likes to step back. Jumper.
Obviously, I might be e number three shot.
He shot 29% from 3 39 e thinking carelessness.
35 30 shots, 39% from three in the Euro cup.
It was a It was a 10 game tournament at the end, so he got hot at the end of the season and shot 39.
The weird thing about him is that he shoots the three awkward dribble at a very high, quickly shoots it almost like 42%.
But catch and shoot.
So most young players, it's the opposite.
Most young players is easier for them to shoot.
Thio, shoot off the dribble, eso off the dribble, shooting on.
If you factor the fact that it's almost like a 90% free throw shooter, I'm not concerned about the catching