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00:00:00
Yeah, so you know, crazy.
00:00:03
I got a couple of minutes.
00:00:04
What's going on there? Hey, man.
00:00:07
Hey, man.
00:00:08
Hey, man, I wanted to have you on man, because for one, for one, I know no matter how the next stuff ebbs and flows, I know you're gonna bring facts to the table.
00:00:19
You know, I'm saying, regardless of our emotional highs and lows, I just wanted to extend the invitation to you for one so that the cats that follow me can follow you on all the stuff that you do.
00:00:30
And also so that you know, these arguments that that generally like how we get out of handle next Twitter so we can bring some reasonable thought to some of the stuff on on next Twitter.
00:00:41
So So let me ask.
00:00:43
So let me ask, you start by asking you this.
00:00:50
So Westbrook and the package that's out there that may give up to get him.
00:00:56
Alright, So I haven't followed all the packages, to be quite honest.
00:01:00
Um, but in my honest opinion, am I'm not for it? And the reasons I have mainly I mean, he's 30.
00:01:11
Give me this is aged 32 season, probably 33 knowing whenever season starts, right? And he has how many years left like he has one too.
00:01:21
I think three seasons left somewhere around there.
00:01:24
Your contract, Contract, contract, contract.
00:01:28
He's, like, three seasons left, like, $120 million right? Right.
00:01:33
So the problem with Westbrook is this right? So you you bring someone like Westbrook there you're already gonna become, you know, like a 40 37 to 30 Like a 41 team.
00:01:43
So you're stuck in no man's land, and you kinda have to, like, you have to get so much better.
00:01:49
But you already committing $40 million to Westbrook, right? So, you know, there's only so many limited options to get better with that second off.
00:01:58
The real problem then, is now.
00:02:00
Okay.
00:02:01
You put some like Westbrook on there from a you know, from a talent perspective, you know, you need to surround him with shooters.
00:02:06
Houston tried that with, you know, they're, like, basically no center line up, But, you know, there's a lot of limitations that right, You know, you're gonna get torched them on the glass and you'll just get torched in many different methods and you know, the let's just zoom right.
00:02:22
Assume that there's no, um, like, we're not giving up much except for absorbing the contract. Right.
00:02:29
Um, s So that's based looker.
00:02:31
No assets.
00:02:32
Just just, you know, minimal stuff.
00:02:35
We send one guy over some guy.
00:02:37
I don't know, whoever it is, right.
00:02:38
And we just take on Westbrook.
00:02:41
Um, you know, you can't like pairing Westbrook and RJ bear together.
00:02:45
Probably like that's a terrible, um, pairing.
00:02:48
First off, you got two guards that can't shoot.
00:02:51
I mean, not yet, right? Like Barrett still got a ways to go.
00:02:54
Westbrook, we know who he is.
00:02:56
He's not going to shoot.
00:02:58
Um, Westbrook's not gonna have the same freedoms he had in O, k.
00:03:02
C.
00:03:03
And Houston and sense that Houston he was able to get away with the fact that he had a lot of shooters.
00:03:08
So, you know, even though he struggled a lot from, you know, he actually thought he didn't struggle.
00:03:13
He actually his best season from a shooting percentage basically said, All right, I dare you to shoot.
00:03:24
And you know, you just way saw what he saw, right? So he was just breaking a lot of shots that's gonna be amplified.
00:03:31
Even Mawr in New York, where, you know, you're just gonna You're gonna see ah, whole lot of, um, Titan Blaine's to drive.
00:03:40
And what happens is you do that.
00:03:42
And, you know, bear, it's not gonna develop the way you want to develop, because you obviously, you know, you just put a no spacing lineup out there is not good for anybody, And that's not good for someone like I don't know.
00:03:54
I mean, that has a domino effect on your other players.
00:03:57
Um, I just think the pairing is like, Look, I like Russell Westbrook.
00:04:02
I loved him is a play.
00:04:03
I loved him during the thunder days.
00:04:04
I love is, you know, I'm loved his passion.
00:04:07
Um, you know, you need someone that that type of, you know, tenacity and heart.
00:04:12
I just think at at this stage in his career, I don't think the Knicks and Westbrook are the right, um, fit.
00:04:22
And I think that the Knicks have better options to go with rather than trying to commit that much money to someone like Westbrook, where the ceiling is not that high.
00:04:32
Second thing is, forget it.
00:04:34
Forget it.
00:04:35
from, You know, the talent and bit perspective.
00:04:39
But, you know, obviously the rial issues that you're not getting anything enticing for taking on that money because Houston has no assets.
00:04:46
They have nobody they can give you.
00:04:47
They have no pics.
00:04:49
So, you know, What are you getting from Houston? You should be able to get some sort of asset for taking his contract.
00:04:56
You can't, right? So, you know, you're basically just taking him on getting no reward from it, and it just doesn't make sense.
00:05:19
Who is relying on what? Pessimism.
00:05:22
You just know that, you know, it's gonna be anything now, so we don't eat.
00:05:27
It's a similar is the guy likes a few three.
00:05:29
You know, it's gonna be one envy you never know with.
00:05:32
You know, these type players is you know, the one injury can just sit back forever.
00:05:37
And you know, Russell Westbrook is not playing.
00:05:39
It is being $33 million like, ****, you know, that is really, uh that's really rough.
00:05:46
That's basically about close to 40% of your cap.
00:05:48
Maybe 38% of your cap tied up in a guy at that age and and is injured.
00:05:54
So what about what about, um the the way that Tom Thibodeau used Derek roles in his formidable years when D Rose didn't have a jump? Well, it didn't have a consistent jump shot or didn't have a willingness to take it.
00:06:10
Yeah, So Westbrook is right now, that's a good question. Crazy.
00:06:15
Um, so that era, I mean, he really only had about a season and a half, and I'm gonna say, seasoned a half because, you know, he had the full M V P season plus probably half the lock out here.
00:06:27
And even then, you know, he was, like, out due to injuries or whatever for most that season.
00:06:32
Um, it was a different era.
00:06:34
I was.
00:06:35
I mean, I hate to say it, but it's, you know, they Timms was able to get away with not get away.
00:06:41
But it was not a three point centric.
00:06:44
And, um, there was a lot more post up game.
00:06:46
There was a lot mawr eso You know, a lot of the defensive systems that you saw, tips try toe utilize, um, that were came from the Boston days to in the Houston days.
00:06:59
You know, like the ice picking ice in the pick and roll.
00:07:01
Um, drop coverage, which is basically, like, all right, I'm just gonna, like, drop all the way into the paint.
00:07:06
You just knew you just knew someone like LeBron or any of them.
00:07:09
They're just gonna, you know, driving the paint.
00:07:13
And, you know, you could just, like, pack the paint.
00:07:15
Um, like, I would just say, like in general, I think.
00:07:19
I mean, I just I went on top of a top.
00:07:22
I went off topic for a second, but like, I just think like the spacing is kind of like, it's much different now.
00:07:28
And I just don't think that, um I don't It would be very hard, um, to thrive without having some sort of, um, semblance of a perimeter game.
00:07:40
Westbrook just does not have that perimeter game.
00:07:43
And, you know, he hasn't yet evolved. He hasn't evolved.
00:07:47
In fact, I think his best his best season may have been that, like, the first triple double season, which was, I think, the year after Durant left, where he had like, yeah, like, he made, like, two threes a game.
00:07:59
And then ever since then it just basically dropped all the way down toe.
00:08:02
You know, Thio.
00:08:04
Very few, barely less than a three game or whatever.
00:08:07
So I mean, I think I think it'll be very hard.
00:08:12
Um, because it's just you just need the spacing.
00:08:16
Otherwise, the team's defense is there is not gonna take.
00:08:19
They're not gonna take Westbrook seriously.
00:08:20
And if they don't take Westbrook seriously, that means the other four guys in the lineup will not be taken seriously, either.
00:08:25
I mean, picture of this right picture of five men, Julius Randle guy who also can't really shoot that many threes.
00:08:35
Say, Mitchell Robinson in there who doesn't really have ah shot beyond the foot, right, e? I mean, to be quite honest, e mean, ignore all the practice videos.
00:08:44
I mean, he doesn't have a game shot beyond one or 2 ft.
00:08:47
Uh, yeah.
00:08:49
And r. J. Barrett.
00:08:51
I mean, look, he you know, he might He may improve his shot, but it might still take a year or so. Right.
00:08:57
Um and you know who's your small forward? Whoever that guys.
00:09:00
I mean, there's it's just a pact paint, and no one will be able to operate with any sort of cohesion.
00:09:07
Um It'll just make life harder for everybody, right? And that's just which is where.
00:09:12
I mean, that's just where I see it.
00:09:15
So I have a different.
00:09:16
I have a different take on it and it's It's not.
00:09:19
It's not Pro Westbrook.
00:09:22
Three point shooting.
00:09:23
It's more, um, pro Westbrook shot creation.
00:09:27
I think if you add Westbrook to the next, you know you're not gonna get anything above SE 30% from the three point line from Russell Westbrook, right? And that's terrible from a point guard.
00:09:40
You know, saying it may be it may be, you know, hot twenties, maybe something like that, right? But I think from a shot creation standpoint, I think Russell Westbrook, even at his advanced age, um is still a guy that can get you eight or nine assists a game.
00:09:59
Can still, you know, get you, you know, tough shots.
00:10:04
And when he's on when he's Brody, when he's Brody now, he is like top 10 MBA player, the You know what I'm saying? And I think what that does is is this so in a deal where you know we get a Russell Westbrook, we'll probably have thio trade scenario.
00:10:22
I saw was Julius Randle, Kevin Knox, Bobby Portis and Reggie Bullock for for Westbrook.
00:10:30
And it's just because just so that they can get out from some of that salary cap held that they're they're in by.
00:10:38
But anyway, what they do with partisan them, I don't even care.
00:10:40
What I care about is is Westbrook's shot creation getting RJ Barry easier shots getting Mitchell Robinson easier shots.
00:10:49
Um um and also, um um bringing that alfa type mentality to a bunch of guys that have been really beta over the last say all the way back to say, Carmelo Anthony's last couple of years in New York, where we've been, you know, mighty passive with guys with Courtney Lee and things like that.
00:11:11
What? What I would say also is is when you bring in a Russell Westbrook, then you also bring in um, say you know, at least kick the tires on Christian would, um, Davis Burtons And you know, in the name that we've all all been hearing throughout the off season, So I think his shot, the fact that he can create shots for others and get others easier looks outweighs the terrible three point shooting that he'll bring to the table.
00:11:40
So you make some good points? Um, there's guard scoring threat the Knicks may have ever had.
00:12:00
Um whoa.
00:12:01
Since our way.
00:12:02
Uh huh.
00:12:04
E thinking, like ever. Right.
00:12:07
I'm really thinking he'd probably the best offensive point card the Knicks probably ever had.
00:12:13
Andi.
00:12:14
I mean, maybe maybe Clyde if you want to go there.
00:12:16
But, I mean, I don't think I mean, obviously, No, not as you know, Clyde was never as an explosive offensively is Russell Westbrook.
00:12:23
Um, has been, um you make a point there.
00:12:28
Um, I think the key to that is in order to for him to create, I mean and get those 8 to 9 assists.
00:12:35
Um, you need to have the people who can make baskets, and you need to have the spacing that will allow him to operate within those lanes toe thio, score and to pass and to create.
00:12:47
Ah, I mean, there's a lot of I mean, you just need you just need people to space the floor and in order to I mean, if the next wherever, find someone toe, you know, space, it's the floor.
00:13:04
Then I could see it.
00:13:05
I I just I just don't know if the Knicks can pull it off, and I think, um, from a trade perspective, I mean, I don't even think Randall on them.
00:13:14
I think they would probably mean I'm just staying, I think, in the Knicks and just simply absorb it.
00:13:18
If they, you know, it would be that type of deal.
00:13:20
But because the Knicks don't really have any contracts outside of Barrett that EXTEND asked next year eso they may not even, you know, it might just be a straight absorption.
00:13:32
But again, you know you need you need.
00:13:34
You need spacers on, but it's it's very I just I just see the fit being very tough and just all the all the factors involved.
00:13:43
I think, uh, I don't know.
00:13:45
I think there is.
00:13:46
There is actually some sort of better way, and they look I'm not.
00:13:49
This is the same reason.
00:13:51
Same argument for CP 32 and it's again CP three. My main issues.
00:13:56
I think the contract.
00:13:57
I think you know, he's a walking injury at risk and you know I have the same argument, but, um, the winning thing, um, winning things a legit thing.
00:14:07
Um, it's something that the Knicks need.
00:14:11
They need people to kind of teach, not teach.
00:14:14
They need to set an example for what it feels like toe to be on team that a win game.
00:14:20
And they need it's mawr than I mean.
00:14:23
It has to come or like from an organizational standpoint, like if you look at like like everyone mentioned the heat, right? So the heat winning mentality really began once Riley stepped foot in Miami, and he's like, All right, you know, you guys were just, like, taking things way too light.
00:14:42
Be in practice this that, you know, shootarounds or just like a joke.
00:14:47
Everything changed within it, like, you know, months, right? So on.
00:14:53
And, you know, you start, you've seen that 25 years later and you've seen it.
00:14:58
You know, even they don't. They may not win.
00:15:00
A lot of they may have been a lottery certain years, right, But they're still there's still a standard of excellence that, you know, it's that is, you know, set foot in Miami.
00:15:11
And, you know, that was set by Riley That was set by Alonzo Mourning.
00:15:15
Um, they set that winning mindset.
00:15:18
Um so, yeah, I think in order for the tips error to succeed in the Tibbs Rain to succeed, he needs to find a way toe, you know, develop that winning mindset.
00:15:29
And I mean, he has, uh he's won a lot of games, but you have toe, you know, that has that mentality has to exist, you know, during Russ, like whoever is there, right, whether ruses heroes, not here, whether he's, you know, whatever the situation is.
00:15:45
So, um, you know, I get I completely get your arguments.
00:15:50
I think I think the Knicks mill will probably steer away, in my honest opinion, but then again, you never know.
00:15:57
But that's just where I'm heading, right, So So I don't know what what the plan A is for the next at point guard or the direction, uh or, you know, So I don't know what their plan is or what level of veteran they look to bring in, but, you know, based off of what have been the needs, historically, you would think Westbrook would be would be, at least, you know, on the radar based on him being a veteran, being able to play at a high level him bringing a winning mentality, Being able to do multiple things, not being one dimensional at a position, you know what I mean? Actually averaged a triple double.
00:16:41
I think he did it twice.
00:16:42
You know what I mean? So so, um, he also has played in big time high leverage games.
00:16:49
Unlike to me, I don't know.
00:16:51
Many high leverage game CP three is Laden, right? Like how many Western Conference finals? And you know what I'm saying? And how Maney game situation he's played in.
00:16:59
But I know west of Russell Westbrook seems to have played in a number, and I would like to at least know that the Knicks are considering bringing in somebody that wants toe win at all costs.
00:17:13
Um, you know, if we look at what the alternatives would be, say a CP three, Um, I would probably prefer Westbrook over Chris Paul.
00:17:25
Just because I'm no Westbrook is gonna bring a certain level of play every night.
00:17:34
Um, and he's younger.
00:17:38
I mean, I think age probably has something to do.
00:17:40
Something has some level of influence on the decision that you look to make e just can't see Leon rolls going into the first season of his, um of his, you know, being the Knicks head coach with a rookie at point guard.
00:17:56
I don't know if a 62 year old guy will have the patience to teach, you know? Ah, rookie point guard.
00:18:03
How to play and be patient with him for, say, three or four years until he gets it.
00:18:09
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a fair point.
00:18:11
Um, there's not really any other alternative.
00:18:13
The point guard, um, you know, if you look at the fear in the market if you look it, I mean, there's only really two options.
00:18:22
In my honest opinion, I think it's you.
00:18:25
You just try to figure out what you can get out of your young, your point guard, do our creo what everyone calling or you try to do a home run, and I don't think you're I mean, it's gonna be hard to get the free agents.
00:18:40
I mean, say what you want about a guy like Fred, Fred Van Fleet or your tragic I mean graduates.
00:18:46
Also 30 for 35 years old, so I'm a bit beery about someone that old too.
00:18:52
But I I don't I don't know what the I don't know what the Knicks air trying to dio.
00:18:57
Um, it's because again, I think it just because the way to see this, you know, with covert and everything I don't know, you know, who knows when the season's gonna start And I don't know, you know, losing me the right guy that I just It's It's very It's very up in the air, in my opinion.
00:19:16
Right? Right? And so So So the point guards that that are on the radar, right? CP three.
00:19:32
It is not proven to anybody that he can play 2030 40 games in a row at that high level.
00:19:39
Basically, what we get from drag it is, you know, we get like the 556 game stretches and either he's injured or cold, and I don't know if you wanna bring that you.
00:19:49
I don't know.
00:19:50
If Knicks fans have will have the patients with Drag Ege to go through, um, se the injuries or his and I don't want to say cold.
00:19:58
I'll say it Z.
00:20:00
Either he's, you know, really good or he's not showing up at all like, um, he's vanilla ice cream. So to speak.
00:20:08
You know, I don't I don't I don't remember ever seeing him be cold, but But sometimes you go through a stretch where he's a non factor, I guess is the better way to put it.
00:20:17
Um, yeah.
00:20:19
I mean, I don't know.
00:20:20
I he hasn't been in the playoffs a lot, but, I mean, I think only the last few seasons were when he actually got hurt again we're talking about We're talking about a guy who's a like a 34 year old player.
00:20:30
Starting next season.
00:20:31
We're talking about a guy who's maybe 35.
00:20:34
Um, we're also talking about someone who's, you know, you gotta be careful about the Miami effect, because the Miami effect is where people that are like role players.
00:20:46
Our look, they look, you know, they just find a way to make players look a lot better than they probably really are.
00:20:54
So, you know, if you deflate someone like Dragic, you know, again, I mean, he might be okay, but you may also get toes.
00:21:03
They called their own too, right? So you know, right? You just wanna be You wanna be careful? You wanna be careful? Yeah.
00:21:13
I just don't know.
00:21:14
I think I think the Knicks air in a weird spot.
00:21:17
E mean, where they with? I mean, I saw in the comment. Dragic was good.
00:21:22
He was good.
00:21:23
I'm just saying he's older now, right? So that's the only difference.
00:21:26
Now, Um, I don't know.
00:21:30
I mean, I had a problem the Knicks had last year was that they just tried to bring in, Like, I think what the Knicks really needed last year is someone to be like a true veteran rather than someone liken Elfrid Payton, who wasn't really a veteran but rather with someone on a reclamation deal, like trying to, like, reprove himself a little bit.
00:21:48
And when you have someone who's on a reclamation deal, what ends up happening is that you just you don't get a full sense of development.
00:21:57
Um, either, you know, from as for the young point guard, So I think all our I think Frank and D s J really missed having ah, a true mentor, a z ah, you know, as a point guard.
00:22:10
And I think it could have really used someone.
00:22:13
I don't think Elfers I got I think I think come on, the garage.
00:22:17
It could be a mentor, but I think he'll be too expensive.
00:22:19
And all that is worth the price.
00:22:20
Um, CP three would be a perfect mentor, but again, price tag attached a cp three.
00:22:26
Um, you're just gonna be too much.
00:22:29
Um, so I think the Knicks very, very weird.
00:22:34
So I had a ridiculous idea, and I know this is ridiculous.
00:22:38
You know, I'm at the age now or where I know some of the stuff that I say or think may not be on par with what everybody else is thinking.
00:22:47
So I'm okay being out in left field, but I want to run this by you and see what you think.
00:22:51
So I think if you trade for Chris Paul, if you trade, If I had Chris Paul And the only way I believe then why also have help in the backcourt at a high enough level where he could stay healthy 82 games and I don't think Fred Vanvleet, even though his numbers and his play its spectacular at times, I don't think he can do it full time.
00:23:32
So I think I have to have both at the same time to kind of balance out with players would bring to the organization off.
00:23:45
Sounds crazy, right? Like, why do you need to full time point guards? And they're both 6 ft tall? Yeah.
00:23:52
I don't know.
00:23:53
I think What would you give Fred van Fleet.
00:23:57
Mm.
00:23:58
Okay.
00:24:01
So I don't buy into him being a full time starter at point guard.
00:24:05
So, um, I'm definitely offering something sub 20.
00:24:09
Um, man, And I know that may take me out of the running, but and I think is maybe 19.
00:24:19
5 female.
00:24:21
Ah.
00:24:22
Now I know that at the beginning of the at the beginning of the season, that sounded like a lot.
00:24:26
But the closer we get to free agency, I think that number is going to be higher than 20 mil.
00:24:32
Because because of teams off.
00:24:33
What teams offering? Yeah, like, 60 and one Who's going on a CP three trade.
00:24:46
Mm.
00:24:48
So I want to clear the backcourt.
00:24:52
The point guard, blood.
00:24:53
So? So Frank and D s J should go.
00:24:56
I would include knocks Randall, part of Ellington.
00:25:02
Um, I would include you know, the player option guys, um, knocks Frank and ds for them would be available in that deal, especially the two point guards.
00:25:15
Because what I don't wanna have is a money back court.
00:25:18
I don't wanna have, um, Frank has to get minutes with Chris, Paul and Fred Vanvleet being here.
00:25:24
I don't want a situation like that.
00:25:30
Well, yeah, I just think the idea of, like, $60 million on the point guard spot, plus, you know, the additional $20 million for Randall leaves you 80.
00:25:43
Which leaves you, like, around 30 million toe, like, figure out the rest of the roster.
00:25:48
Yeah.
00:25:49
I don't know.
00:25:50
I wouldn't I wouldn't commit 62 to 2 point guards, and I probably wouldn't, uh, see, the problem is there, Right, then you have to You have to build a playoff team with that, and then there's gonna be nearly impossible to do it.
00:26:01
Um, just hard.
00:26:02
Everything is just there.
00:26:04
There's there has to be a better way for roster allocation.
00:26:07
Um, and I don't I don't know if I probably wouldn't, um I wouldn't advocate for that.
00:26:13
Also, I think, you know, I think Fred Van Fleet's going to get more than a little we'll get.
00:26:18
We'll get around like, 21.
00:26:19
22 e just wouldn't.
00:26:22
I wouldn't give it to someone.
00:26:23
If it's gonna be a platoon, like, if you're gonna give him 22 then you might as well start him, right? Well, my goal is just to start them together.
00:26:31
And RJ 83.
00:26:32
Yeah, I wouldn't I don't know the two.
00:26:35
The two sub 6 ft guards.
00:26:37
I think that's a recipe for a lot of trouble.
00:26:41
You know, Toronto won a championship with that.
00:26:45
They did.
00:26:46
Although if if I remember correctly Fred Van Fleet mhm, I'm And as an example, even though I know it's an anomaly, there isn't anomaly because they had quite Oh, and and we didn't know that Pascal's Jacome was gonna be that good at the time.
00:27:09
So they had a bunch of things happen in their favor.
00:27:12
But but no teams have done it before.
00:27:16
And 16 $60 million backcourt.
00:27:19
Um, so Washington has one.
00:27:21
Golden State has one.
00:27:23
I think Portland, maybe close.
00:27:26
I don't know.
00:27:27
But again, those air guard those air that's committing to both guard positions.
00:27:31
Um, I I just don't see. I don't see.
00:27:33
I don't see Fred being Ah, I don't think He's a full time to, I think is too short to be a full time, too.
00:27:40
That's why I like when I say 60 million point guards.
00:27:42
That's different than when you know Washington has, like, like, 60 Miller, 70 militants.
00:27:47
You know, both of one of the two.
00:27:49
So, uh, same with Portland.
00:27:51
Same with Golden State.
00:27:52
So I just I'm not I'm not too high.
00:27:55
I think, uh, it's either one or the other.
00:27:59
Okay. Alright.
00:28:00
So I've been asked.
00:28:02
I've been asked repeatedly, this'll one question, and then I'll ask you this.
00:28:08
And then, um just to get your opinion on it.
00:28:12
So, in terms of young core, do you think that the Knicks have a comparable young core? So you're Atlanta's Charlotte's? Um You're Who else? The Atlanta Charlotte, Chicago.
00:28:35
Cleveland.
00:28:38
Uh, he Atlanta, Chicago, Charlotte, Cleveland.
00:28:44
I mean, yeah.
00:28:45
I mean, I would put them both.
00:28:46
Charlotte, I'm not I'm not I'm not crazy in Charlotte, Cleveland.
00:28:51
I'm not crazy in them either.
00:28:52
Eso Yeah.
00:28:53
Um, Chicago is a mess.
00:28:55
Yeah. Yeah, I would say comparable.
00:28:57
I mean, it depends on what you mean.
00:29:00
Truly youngest kind of taking the conversation of different levels. I think.
00:29:03
Obviously the Knicks have toe have to get up there.
00:29:06
You know, having an all star guard.
00:29:08
If Barrett could be that guy.
00:29:11
My opinion now, you know, to be clear, these non playoff teams, you know, just was your You know, You know, that doesn't mean that, you know, these teams air significantly flawed or not significantly flawed.
00:29:24
Right? So, you know, obviously, like the Hawks The biggest problems, they can't really defend anybody.
00:29:30
And really, the next couldn't either.
00:29:31
So, um, that's why I think it's it's not, um, it's close.
00:29:36
I I just think, um I think we're probably step below the Hawks just because of, you know, of of Trey.
00:29:43
Um And I think I think that Z that's bad, in my opinion.
00:29:51
Okay.
00:29:52
All right. Hey.
00:29:53
So can you hang around for a little bit and you gotta go? No, I gotta head out on a couple of man.
00:29:58
Yes.
00:29:59
Yeah, I just want Thio.
00:30:03
Thank you for coming on, man.
00:30:05
Hey.
00:30:06
And the other thing, too, is is that stuff that I say about you on on Twitter? Is Israel love? It ain't like, you know, just bringing, you know, a reasonable take to all things next because I know sometimes we get get out of whack.
00:30:23
I appreciate you coming on, boss.
00:30:25
Yeah. No, no doubt. No doubt.
00:30:27
He's got to keep it real sometimes, right? So yeah.
00:30:30
Yeah, sometimes be yelling at each other, right? You know, So, like, man, don't do this.
00:30:36
Don't go too often, right? Sometimes we gotta You gotta think about it like, you know, multiple different perspectives, right? It is good to hear different thoughts, and then you, like, try toe.
00:30:50
I don't understand.
00:30:51
Okay.
00:30:52
Where you coming from? With this thought right before completely.
00:30:55
You know, like, rather than shutting someone down, you know, just understand where they're coming from a little bit, right? So right.
00:31:01
You know, I appreciate you doing something good with this stuff, right? So you gotta you gotta nice group of support of people, Especially now logged on.
00:31:10
It's like midnight, right? Anyone who comes on after midnight, it's like that's a blessing, right? Right, right, right, right.
00:31:19
Well, really dedicated to you, right? Yeah, man.
00:31:22
Yeah.
00:31:23
And and and me to them and me to them of the next Twitter litter.
00:31:29
I'm in that.
00:31:30
I'm in that literal puppies and l next Twitter.
00:31:32
So listen, I hate that word.
00:31:34
Next, a next man.
00:31:37
Man, you just use that platform to you.
00:31:39
You are you You just want to express your thoughts, right? Look like Like think about it this way, right? You know, I was doing man I was with on Twitter since also, I had to go on, Probably had too long ago.
00:31:53
I had to log on for the first time.
00:31:55
We're creating account, Think for a college class or something.
00:31:58
Eso This is like 2000, 8000 and nine And that was around the time people who is using Twitter for like of, you know, trying to get like, like just telling people random things like, Hey, I'm doing this.
00:32:10
I'm doing that like I'm in the library.
00:32:12
I'm here and there, but there was a second like, you know, around like 20,000, 9000.
00:32:19
Oh, you know, you can kind of like father, like cable companies.
00:32:22
They're not like, you know, if my cable's out of this and that, or if you have some issue with the product, you could just go after them and, you know, that's when, like, the sports stuff started getting really right.
00:32:32
So then you started saying some of the next digital people kind of like, you know, starting to make their ways a little bit.
00:32:38
But it didn't really pop up until, like, crazy enough, like 2000 and, like 16 and 2017 or so e.
00:32:46
I think somehow, you know, somehow some way, You know, obviously, you know, Sim was Sin was a big part of it.
00:32:52
But then, you know, there's a whole push tow, like once you realize, like, listen, you know, people covering this team is doing a terrible job there.
00:33:00
They're not taking a terrible job, but we don't like their coverage less, you know, cover the team the way we think the team should be covered.
00:33:06
Right.
00:33:07
So, you know, that's where we created this whole wave of different people.
00:33:12
Whether it's sin, whether it's you that we just want, we want to express our thoughts on the team and the way other people won't.
00:33:25
Right.
00:33:26
And I think you know, that's a tenant.
00:33:28
Like if you look at business, you look a I mean, I know you are, you know, the front stoop.
00:33:32
So it's like if you looked at, like, how is some of these, like, you know, labels, you know, you know, exploded in the nineties.
00:33:39
It was just like, Listen, you're not gonna put my music on.
00:33:41
You're gonna you know, we're just gonna do it on our own, right? So, you know, we got that same mentality.
00:33:48
Um, Now, we're just, you know, maybe the profit motive is not They're not necessarily always there.
00:33:53
But, you know, we just do it because we're trying to share our perspective on the team.
00:33:58
And we think that there's other people that, um, that share our perspective.
00:34:03
Right.
00:34:04
So, you know, you've got to keep you keep continuing to dio whether you got 10 people, whether you got 100 people have got 1000 people, you know, 10 people's, uh, whatever it is, right.
00:34:13
You know that that that means that there is 1,000,000 people, you know, supporting you and your supporting that right? No doubt.
00:34:21
No doubt.
00:34:22
Hey, man. Hey.
00:34:23
So So let me ask you let me ask you because I already know, right? I already know.
00:34:27
I kind of follow you and a group of guys on Twitter and and some other nicks, platforms and whatever thio get you know, to stay kind of tuned.
00:34:37
And can you share where you are and who you're hanging out with and some stuff that diehard Nick fan, if new Yeah, no doubt I'm going to drop the Twitter handle down.
00:34:52
There is just it's v d A D h a N I A.
00:34:56
I've written stuff for the K F s.
00:35:00
Next film, school stuff, the sites.
00:35:02
Something's wrong to say right now, but I've recently started writing stuff for daily next and that I'm gonna have some stories I may I wrote about.
00:35:12
I called it like the tips filed, how tips can unleash certain traits and stuff into certain players, or how we can, like, unleashed their potential a little bit.
00:35:23
So I focused on four players and focus on Mitch focused on Kevin Knox, R.
00:35:29
J.
00:35:30
Barrett, and the last one was Julius Randle.
00:35:32
Um e mean I could share the pieces, but it was kind of cool the way I did with Randall, because I kind of, um, I was able to get film and just kind of breakdown things that you should have done if you continue doing, um and what he shouldn't do anymore.
00:35:48
Eso You know, I think there's a lot of fun find a lot of random statistics.
00:35:53
I mean, I'll just share a couple nuggets, like, you know, when you look at someone like Kevin Knox, you're like, all right.
00:36:00
You know why? I mean, it was a terrible shooter last year, but then there are certain areas of the floor where he actually shot, you know, half decently.
00:36:09
Well, but he just didn't get the opportunity to do it.
00:36:12
And obviously, defense and other things played a role into it.
00:36:15
So, um, you know the pieces, they're all there.
00:36:19
I'll share a couple links, you know, for for your followers, but highly recommend those pieces.
00:36:25
Um, right. Hey, hey.
00:36:27
And you know what? I'll hit you up on Twitter so that so that I can get the links and stuff s so that so.
00:36:34
That so that you know, I can share that with everybody.
00:36:37
So so that we can continue to spread the next knowledge amongst ourselves to share, because there there are some things out there in the Knicks stratosphere the Knicks fans don't know about because they hadn't either.
00:36:50
Looked into advanced stats or they hadn't been told, Um like R.
00:36:55
J.
00:36:56
Barrett averaging 17 points per game after McMorris.
00:37:03
But the narrative is that Barrett is a terrible shooter from everywhere on the floor to share with expense.
00:37:16
Of course, you know, the 32% needs to improve, but 45% is the same percentage that that I'm Donovan Mitchell shot from the floor.
00:37:22
So, you know, it's it's It's one of those things that I think we need to share more info.
00:37:28
Yeah, I mean, it's like some of it's like, you know, before I mean, like, simple stuff is like shot profile, right? You know, try to take Mawr corner threes, try toe.
00:37:37
You know, get mawr.
00:37:38
Opportunities are opportunities, you know, like the strong side three, right? You know, um, just looking at different shot charts.
00:37:47
And, you know, I kind of I kind of did a more expansive one on Knox because I thought Knox with the more fascinating ****ysis on a kind of piggyback that onto Randall bit.
00:37:57
So listen, I put a link on there.
00:38:00
Um, you know, I know people want to get on the chat, so, you know, take a Look, Andi, you can kind of click on my name, and you can just, uh, kind of other stuff I wrote.
00:38:09
Um, but yeah, man, I'll I've listened to your stuff.
00:38:12
I watched, uh, some of the replays, and hopefully I can come back.
00:38:17
Hey, dawg.
00:38:18
Hey, man, listen, not capping, because I really don't Don't care for a lot of a lot of people that do next stuff I don't You know, I'm saying and I'll be honest with them, like, because I think a lot of it is more about raising their profile, as opposed to talking about the thing that they the things that we love, like our next You know what I'm saying? So some people don't.
00:38:42
Some people like me for being really Some people don't.
00:38:45
But when I tell you, man, I appreciate the fact that you be really 24 7.
00:38:50
You know, I need for you to know.
00:38:51
I'm really about that, Um, and thanks again for coming home, and you got to come on again, man.
00:38:56
So we could talk some knocks.
00:38:58
Of course. Of course. Appreciate it.
00:39:00
Hey, man.
00:39:01
Thanks for giving me. Yeah, take it off. All right.
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00:00:00
Yeah, so you know, crazy.
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I got a couple of minutes.
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What's going on there? Hey, man.
00:00:07
Hey, man.
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Hey, man, I wanted to have you on man, because for one, for one, I know no matter how the next stuff ebbs and flows, I know you're gonna bring facts to the table.
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You know, I'm saying, regardless of our emotional highs and lows, I just wanted to extend the invitation to you for one so that the cats that follow me can follow you on all the stuff that you do.
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And also so that you know, these arguments that that generally like how we get out of handle next Twitter so we can bring some reasonable thought to some of the stuff on on next Twitter.
00:00:41
So So let me ask.
00:00:43
So let me ask, you start by asking you this.
00:00:50
So Westbrook and the package that's out there that may give up to get him.
00:00:56
Alright, So I haven't followed all the packages, to be quite honest.
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Um, but in my honest opinion, am I'm not for it? And the reasons I have mainly I mean, he's 30.
00:01:11
Give me this is aged 32 season, probably 33 knowing whenever season starts, right? And he has how many years left like he has one too.
00:01:21
I think three seasons left somewhere around there.
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Your contract, Contract, contract, contract.
00:01:28
He's, like, three seasons left, like, $120 million right? Right.
00:01:33
So the problem with Westbrook is this right? So you you bring someone like Westbrook there you're already gonna become, you know, like a 40 37 to 30 Like a 41 team.
00:01:43
So you're stuck in no man's land, and you kinda have to, like, you have to get so much better.
00:01:49
But you already committing $40 million to Westbrook, right? So, you know, there's only so many limited options to get better with that second off.
00:01:58
The real problem then, is now.
00:02:00
Okay.
00:02:01
You put some like Westbrook on there from a you know, from a talent perspective, you know, you need to surround him with shooters.
00:02:06
Houston tried that with, you know, they're, like, basically no center line up, But, you know, there's a lot of limitations that right, You know, you're gonna get torched them on the glass and you'll just get torched in many different methods and you know, the let's just zoom right.
00:02:22
Assume that there's no, um, like, we're not giving up much except for absorbing the contract. Right.
00:02:29
Um, s So that's based looker.
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No assets.
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Just just, you know, minimal stuff.
00:02:35
We send one guy over some guy.
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I don't know, whoever it is, right.
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And we just take on Westbrook.
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Um, you know, you can't like pairing Westbrook and RJ bear together.
00:02:45
Probably like that's a terrible, um, pairing.
00:02:48
First off, you got two guards that can't shoot.
00:02:51
I mean, not yet, right? Like Barrett still got a ways to go.
00:02:54
Westbrook, we know who he is.
00:02:56
He's not going to shoot.
00:02:58
Um, Westbrook's not gonna have the same freedoms he had in O, k.
00:03:02
C.
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And Houston and sense that Houston he was able to get away with the fact that he had a lot of shooters.
00:03:08
So, you know, even though he struggled a lot from, you know, he actually thought he didn't struggle.
00:03:13
He actually his best season from a shooting percentage basically said, All right, I dare you to shoot.
00:03:24
And you know, you just way saw what he saw, right? So he was just breaking a lot of shots that's gonna be amplified.
00:03:31
Even Mawr in New York, where, you know, you're just gonna You're gonna see ah, whole lot of, um, Titan Blaine's to drive.
00:03:40
And what happens is you do that.
00:03:42
And, you know, bear, it's not gonna develop the way you want to develop, because you obviously, you know, you just put a no spacing lineup out there is not good for anybody, And that's not good for someone like I don't know.
00:03:54
I mean, that has a domino effect on your other players.
00:03:57
Um, I just think the pairing is like, Look, I like Russell Westbrook.
00:04:02
I loved him is a play.
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I loved him during the thunder days.
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I love is, you know, I'm loved his passion.
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Um, you know, you need someone that that type of, you know, tenacity and heart.
00:04:12
I just think at at this stage in his career, I don't think the Knicks and Westbrook are the right, um, fit.
00:04:22
And I think that the Knicks have better options to go with rather than trying to commit that much money to someone like Westbrook, where the ceiling is not that high.
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Second thing is, forget it.
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Forget it.
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from, You know, the talent and bit perspective.
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But, you know, obviously the rial issues that you're not getting anything enticing for taking on that money because Houston has no assets.
00:04:46
They have nobody they can give you.
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They have no pics.
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So, you know, What are you getting from Houston? You should be able to get some sort of asset for taking his contract.
00:04:56
You can't, right? So, you know, you're basically just taking him on getting no reward from it, and it just doesn't make sense.
00:05:19
Who is relying on what? Pessimism.
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You just know that, you know, it's gonna be anything now, so we don't eat.
00:05:27
It's a similar is the guy likes a few three.
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You know, it's gonna be one envy you never know with.
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You know, these type players is you know, the one injury can just sit back forever.
00:05:37
And you know, Russell Westbrook is not playing.
00:05:39
It is being $33 million like, ****, you know, that is really, uh that's really rough.
00:05:46
That's basically about close to 40% of your cap.
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Maybe 38% of your cap tied up in a guy at that age and and is injured.
00:05:54
So what about what about, um the the way that Tom Thibodeau used Derek roles in his formidable years when D Rose didn't have a jump? Well, it didn't have a consistent jump shot or didn't have a willingness to take it.
00:06:10
Yeah, So Westbrook is right now, that's a good question. Crazy.
00:06:15
Um, so that era, I mean, he really only had about a season and a half, and I'm gonna say, seasoned a half because, you know, he had the full M V P season plus probably half the lock out here.
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And even then, you know, he was, like, out due to injuries or whatever for most that season.
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Um, it was a different era.
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I was.
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I mean, I hate to say it, but it's, you know, they Timms was able to get away with not get away.
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But it was not a three point centric.
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And, um, there was a lot more post up game.
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There was a lot mawr eso You know, a lot of the defensive systems that you saw, tips try toe utilize, um, that were came from the Boston days to in the Houston days.
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You know, like the ice picking ice in the pick and roll.
00:07:01
Um, drop coverage, which is basically, like, all right, I'm just gonna, like, drop all the way into the paint.
00:07:06
You just knew you just knew someone like LeBron or any of them.
00:07:09
They're just gonna, you know, driving the paint.
00:07:13
And, you know, you could just, like, pack the paint.
00:07:15
Um, like, I would just say, like in general, I think.
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I mean, I just I went on top of a top.
00:07:22
I went off topic for a second, but like, I just think like the spacing is kind of like, it's much different now.
00:07:28
And I just don't think that, um I don't It would be very hard, um, to thrive without having some sort of, um, semblance of a perimeter game.
00:07:40
Westbrook just does not have that perimeter game.
00:07:43
And, you know, he hasn't yet evolved. He hasn't evolved.
00:07:47
In fact, I think his best his best season may have been that, like, the first triple double season, which was, I think, the year after Durant left, where he had like, yeah, like, he made, like, two threes a game.
00:07:59
And then ever since then it just basically dropped all the way down toe.
00:08:02
You know, Thio.
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Very few, barely less than a three game or whatever.
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So I mean, I think I think it'll be very hard.
00:08:12
Um, because it's just you just need the spacing.
00:08:16
Otherwise, the team's defense is there is not gonna take.
00:08:19
They're not gonna take Westbrook seriously.
00:08:20
And if they don't take Westbrook seriously, that means the other four guys in the lineup will not be taken seriously, either.
00:08:25
I mean, picture of this right picture of five men, Julius Randle guy who also can't really shoot that many threes.
00:08:35
Say, Mitchell Robinson in there who doesn't really have ah shot beyond the foot, right, e? I mean, to be quite honest, e mean, ignore all the practice videos.
00:08:44
I mean, he doesn't have a game shot beyond one or 2 ft.
00:08:47
Uh, yeah.
00:08:49
And r. J. Barrett.
00:08:51
I mean, look, he you know, he might He may improve his shot, but it might still take a year or so. Right.
00:08:57
Um and you know who's your small forward? Whoever that guys.
00:09:00
I mean, there's it's just a pact paint, and no one will be able to operate with any sort of cohesion.
00:09:07
Um It'll just make life harder for everybody, right? And that's just which is where.
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I mean, that's just where I see it.
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So I have a different.
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I have a different take on it and it's It's not.
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It's not Pro Westbrook.
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Three point shooting.
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It's more, um, pro Westbrook shot creation.
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I think if you add Westbrook to the next, you know you're not gonna get anything above SE 30% from the three point line from Russell Westbrook, right? And that's terrible from a point guard.
00:09:40
You know, saying it may be it may be, you know, hot twenties, maybe something like that, right? But I think from a shot creation standpoint, I think Russell Westbrook, even at his advanced age, um is still a guy that can get you eight or nine assists a game.
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Can still, you know, get you, you know, tough shots.
00:10:04
And when he's on when he's Brody, when he's Brody now, he is like top 10 MBA player, the You know what I'm saying? And I think what that does is is this so in a deal where you know we get a Russell Westbrook, we'll probably have thio trade scenario.
00:10:22
I saw was Julius Randle, Kevin Knox, Bobby Portis and Reggie Bullock for for Westbrook.
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And it's just because just so that they can get out from some of that salary cap held that they're they're in by.
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But anyway, what they do with partisan them, I don't even care.
00:10:40
What I care about is is Westbrook's shot creation getting RJ Barry easier shots getting Mitchell Robinson easier shots.
00:10:49
Um um and also, um um bringing that alfa type mentality to a bunch of guys that have been really beta over the last say all the way back to say, Carmelo Anthony's last couple of years in New York, where we've been, you know, mighty passive with guys with Courtney Lee and things like that.
00:11:11
What? What I would say also is is when you bring in a Russell Westbrook, then you also bring in um, say you know, at least kick the tires on Christian would, um, Davis Burtons And you know, in the name that we've all all been hearing throughout the off season, So I think his shot, the fact that he can create shots for others and get others easier looks outweighs the terrible three point shooting that he'll bring to the table.
00:11:40
So you make some good points? Um, there's guard scoring threat the Knicks may have ever had.
00:12:00
Um whoa.
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Since our way.
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Uh huh.
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E thinking, like ever. Right.
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I'm really thinking he'd probably the best offensive point card the Knicks probably ever had.
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Andi.
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I mean, maybe maybe Clyde if you want to go there.
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But, I mean, I don't think I mean, obviously, No, not as you know, Clyde was never as an explosive offensively is Russell Westbrook.
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Um, has been, um you make a point there.
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Um, I think the key to that is in order to for him to create, I mean and get those 8 to 9 assists.
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Um, you need to have the people who can make baskets, and you need to have the spacing that will allow him to operate within those lanes toe thio, score and to pass and to create.
00:12:47
Ah, I mean, there's a lot of I mean, you just need you just need people to space the floor and in order to I mean, if the next wherever, find someone toe, you know, space, it's the floor.
00:13:04
Then I could see it.
00:13:05
I I just I just don't know if the Knicks can pull it off, and I think, um, from a trade perspective, I mean, I don't even think Randall on them.
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I think they would probably mean I'm just staying, I think, in the Knicks and just simply absorb it.
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If they, you know, it would be that type of deal.
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But because the Knicks don't really have any contracts outside of Barrett that EXTEND asked next year eso they may not even, you know, it might just be a straight absorption.
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But again, you know you need you need.
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You need spacers on, but it's it's very I just I just see the fit being very tough and just all the all the factors involved.
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I think, uh, I don't know.
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I think there is.
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There is actually some sort of better way, and they look I'm not.
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This is the same reason.
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Same argument for CP 32 and it's again CP three. My main issues.
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I think the contract.
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I think you know, he's a walking injury at risk and you know I have the same argument, but, um, the winning thing, um, winning things a legit thing.
00:14:07
Um, it's something that the Knicks need.
00:14:11
They need people to kind of teach, not teach.
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They need to set an example for what it feels like toe to be on team that a win game.
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And they need it's mawr than I mean.
00:14:23
It has to come or like from an organizational standpoint, like if you look at like like everyone mentioned the heat, right? So the heat winning mentality really began once Riley stepped foot in Miami, and he's like, All right, you know, you guys were just, like, taking things way too light.
00:14:42
Be in practice this that, you know, shootarounds or just like a joke.
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Everything changed within it, like, you know, months, right? So on.
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And, you know, you start, you've seen that 25 years later and you've seen it.
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You know, even they don't. They may not win.
00:15:00
A lot of they may have been a lottery certain years, right, But they're still there's still a standard of excellence that, you know, it's that is, you know, set foot in Miami.
00:15:11
And, you know, that was set by Riley That was set by Alonzo Mourning.
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Um, they set that winning mindset.
00:15:18
Um so, yeah, I think in order for the tips error to succeed in the Tibbs Rain to succeed, he needs to find a way toe, you know, develop that winning mindset.
00:15:29
And I mean, he has, uh he's won a lot of games, but you have toe, you know, that has that mentality has to exist, you know, during Russ, like whoever is there, right, whether ruses heroes, not here, whether he's, you know, whatever the situation is.
00:15:45
So, um, you know, I get I completely get your arguments.
00:15:50
I think I think the Knicks mill will probably steer away, in my honest opinion, but then again, you never know.
00:15:57
But that's just where I'm heading, right, So So I don't know what what the plan A is for the next at point guard or the direction, uh or, you know, So I don't know what their plan is or what level of veteran they look to bring in, but, you know, based off of what have been the needs, historically, you would think Westbrook would be would be, at least, you know, on the radar based on him being a veteran, being able to play at a high level him bringing a winning mentality, Being able to do multiple things, not being one dimensional at a position, you know what I mean? Actually averaged a triple double.
00:16:41
I think he did it twice.
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You know what I mean? So so, um, he also has played in big time high leverage games.
00:16:49
Unlike to me, I don't know.
00:16:51
Many high leverage game CP three is Laden, right? Like how many Western Conference finals? And you know what I'm saying? And how Maney game situation he's played in.
00:16:59
But I know west of Russell Westbrook seems to have played in a number, and I would like to at least know that the Knicks are considering bringing in somebody that wants toe win at all costs.
00:17:13
Um, you know, if we look at what the alternatives would be, say a CP three, Um, I would probably prefer Westbrook over Chris Paul.
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Just because I'm no Westbrook is gonna bring a certain level of play every night.
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Um, and he's younger.
00:17:38
I mean, I think age probably has something to do.
00:17:40
Something has some level of influence on the decision that you look to make e just can't see Leon rolls going into the first season of his, um of his, you know, being the Knicks head coach with a rookie at point guard.
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I don't know if a 62 year old guy will have the patience to teach, you know? Ah, rookie point guard.
00:18:03
How to play and be patient with him for, say, three or four years until he gets it.
00:18:09
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a fair point.
00:18:11
Um, there's not really any other alternative.
00:18:13
The point guard, um, you know, if you look at the fear in the market if you look it, I mean, there's only really two options.
00:18:22
In my honest opinion, I think it's you.
00:18:25
You just try to figure out what you can get out of your young, your point guard, do our creo what everyone calling or you try to do a home run, and I don't think you're I mean, it's gonna be hard to get the free agents.
00:18:40
I mean, say what you want about a guy like Fred, Fred Van Fleet or your tragic I mean graduates.
00:18:46
Also 30 for 35 years old, so I'm a bit beery about someone that old too.
00:18:52
But I I don't I don't know what the I don't know what the Knicks air trying to dio.
00:18:57
Um, it's because again, I think it just because the way to see this, you know, with covert and everything I don't know, you know, who knows when the season's gonna start And I don't know, you know, losing me the right guy that I just It's It's very It's very up in the air, in my opinion.
00:19:16
Right? Right? And so So So the point guards that that are on the radar, right? CP three.
00:19:32
It is not proven to anybody that he can play 2030 40 games in a row at that high level.
00:19:39
Basically, what we get from drag it is, you know, we get like the 556 game stretches and either he's injured or cold, and I don't know if you wanna bring that you.
00:19:49
I don't know.
00:19:50
If Knicks fans have will have the patients with Drag Ege to go through, um, se the injuries or his and I don't want to say cold.
00:19:58
I'll say it Z.
00:20:00
Either he's, you know, really good or he's not showing up at all like, um, he's vanilla ice cream. So to speak.
00:20:08
You know, I don't I don't I don't remember ever seeing him be cold, but But sometimes you go through a stretch where he's a non factor, I guess is the better way to put it.
00:20:17
Um, yeah.
00:20:19
I mean, I don't know.
00:20:20
I he hasn't been in the playoffs a lot, but, I mean, I think only the last few seasons were when he actually got hurt again we're talking about We're talking about a guy who's a like a 34 year old player.
00:20:30
Starting next season.
00:20:31
We're talking about a guy who's maybe 35.
00:20:34
Um, we're also talking about someone who's, you know, you gotta be careful about the Miami effect, because the Miami effect is where people that are like role players.
00:20:46
Our look, they look, you know, they just find a way to make players look a lot better than they probably really are.
00:20:54
So, you know, if you deflate someone like Dragic, you know, again, I mean, he might be okay, but you may also get toes.
00:21:03
They called their own too, right? So you know, right? You just wanna be You wanna be careful? You wanna be careful? Yeah.
00:21:13
I just don't know.
00:21:14
I think I think the Knicks air in a weird spot.
00:21:17
E mean, where they with? I mean, I saw in the comment. Dragic was good.
00:21:22
He was good.
00:21:23
I'm just saying he's older now, right? So that's the only difference.
00:21:26
Now, Um, I don't know.
00:21:30
I mean, I had a problem the Knicks had last year was that they just tried to bring in, Like, I think what the Knicks really needed last year is someone to be like a true veteran rather than someone liken Elfrid Payton, who wasn't really a veteran but rather with someone on a reclamation deal, like trying to, like, reprove himself a little bit.
00:21:48
And when you have someone who's on a reclamation deal, what ends up happening is that you just you don't get a full sense of development.
00:21:57
Um, either, you know, from as for the young point guard, So I think all our I think Frank and D s J really missed having ah, a true mentor, a z ah, you know, as a point guard.
00:22:10
And I think it could have really used someone.
00:22:13
I don't think Elfers I got I think I think come on, the garage.
00:22:17
It could be a mentor, but I think he'll be too expensive.
00:22:19
And all that is worth the price.
00:22:20
Um, CP three would be a perfect mentor, but again, price tag attached a cp three.
00:22:26
Um, you're just gonna be too much.
00:22:29
Um, so I think the Knicks very, very weird.
00:22:34
So I had a ridiculous idea, and I know this is ridiculous.
00:22:38
You know, I'm at the age now or where I know some of the stuff that I say or think may not be on par with what everybody else is thinking.
00:22:47
So I'm okay being out in left field, but I want to run this by you and see what you think.
00:22:51
So I think if you trade for Chris Paul, if you trade, If I had Chris Paul And the only way I believe then why also have help in the backcourt at a high enough level where he could stay healthy 82 games and I don't think Fred Vanvleet, even though his numbers and his play its spectacular at times, I don't think he can do it full time.
00:23:32
So I think I have to have both at the same time to kind of balance out with players would bring to the organization off.
00:23:45
Sounds crazy, right? Like, why do you need to full time point guards? And they're both 6 ft tall? Yeah.
00:23:52
I don't know.
00:23:53
I think What would you give Fred van Fleet.
00:23:57
Mm.
00:23:58
Okay.
00:24:01
So I don't buy into him being a full time starter at point guard.
00:24:05
So, um, I'm definitely offering something sub 20.
00:24:09
Um, man, And I know that may take me out of the running, but and I think is maybe 19.
00:24:19
5 female.
00:24:21
Ah.
00:24:22
Now I know that at the beginning of the at the beginning of the season, that sounded like a lot.
00:24:26
But the closer we get to free agency, I think that number is going to be higher than 20 mil.
00:24:32
Because because of teams off.
00:24:33
What teams offering? Yeah, like, 60 and one Who's going on a CP three trade.
00:24:46
Mm.
00:24:48
So I want to clear the backcourt.
00:24:52
The point guard, blood.
00:24:53
So? So Frank and D s J should go.
00:24:56
I would include knocks Randall, part of Ellington.
00:25:02
Um, I would include you know, the player option guys, um, knocks Frank and ds for them would be available in that deal, especially the two point guards.
00:25:15
Because what I don't wanna have is a money back court.
00:25:18
I don't wanna have, um, Frank has to get minutes with Chris, Paul and Fred Vanvleet being here.
00:25:24
I don't want a situation like that.
00:25:30
Well, yeah, I just think the idea of, like, $60 million on the point guard spot, plus, you know, the additional $20 million for Randall leaves you 80.
00:25:43
Which leaves you, like, around 30 million toe, like, figure out the rest of the roster.
00:25:48
Yeah.
00:25:49
I don't know.
00:25:50
I wouldn't I wouldn't commit 62 to 2 point guards, and I probably wouldn't, uh, see, the problem is there, Right, then you have to You have to build a playoff team with that, and then there's gonna be nearly impossible to do it.
00:26:01
Um, just hard.
00:26:02
Everything is just there.
00:26:04
There's there has to be a better way for roster allocation.
00:26:07
Um, and I don't I don't know if I probably wouldn't, um I wouldn't advocate for that.
00:26:13
Also, I think, you know, I think Fred Van Fleet's going to get more than a little we'll get.
00:26:18
We'll get around like, 21.
00:26:19
22 e just wouldn't.
00:26:22
I wouldn't give it to someone.
00:26:23
If it's gonna be a platoon, like, if you're gonna give him 22 then you might as well start him, right? Well, my goal is just to start them together.
00:26:31
And RJ 83.
00:26:32
Yeah, I wouldn't I don't know the two.
00:26:35
The two sub 6 ft guards.
00:26:37
I think that's a recipe for a lot of trouble.
00:26:41
You know, Toronto won a championship with that.
00:26:45
They did.
00:26:46
Although if if I remember correctly Fred Van Fleet mhm, I'm And as an example, even though I know it's an anomaly, there isn't anomaly because they had quite Oh, and and we didn't know that Pascal's Jacome was gonna be that good at the time.
00:27:09
So they had a bunch of things happen in their favor.
00:27:12
But but no teams have done it before.
00:27:16
And 16 $60 million backcourt.
00:27:19
Um, so Washington has one.
00:27:21
Golden State has one.
00:27:23
I think Portland, maybe close.
00:27:26
I don't know.
00:27:27
But again, those air guard those air that's committing to both guard positions.
00:27:31
Um, I I just don't see. I don't see.
00:27:33
I don't see Fred being Ah, I don't think He's a full time to, I think is too short to be a full time, too.
00:27:40
That's why I like when I say 60 million point guards.
00:27:42
That's different than when you know Washington has, like, like, 60 Miller, 70 militants.
00:27:47
You know, both of one of the two.
00:27:49
So, uh, same with Portland.
00:27:51
Same with Golden State.
00:27:52
So I just I'm not I'm not too high.
00:27:55
I think, uh, it's either one or the other.
00:27:59
Okay. Alright.
00:28:00
So I've been asked.
00:28:02
I've been asked repeatedly, this'll one question, and then I'll ask you this.
00:28:08
And then, um just to get your opinion on it.
00:28:12
So, in terms of young core, do you think that the Knicks have a comparable young core? So you're Atlanta's Charlotte's? Um You're Who else? The Atlanta Charlotte, Chicago.
00:28:35
Cleveland.
00:28:38
Uh, he Atlanta, Chicago, Charlotte, Cleveland.
00:28:44
I mean, yeah.
00:28:45
I mean, I would put them both.
00:28:46
Charlotte, I'm not I'm not I'm not crazy in Charlotte, Cleveland.
00:28:51
I'm not crazy in them either.
00:28:52
Eso Yeah.
00:28:53
Um, Chicago is a mess.
00:28:55
Yeah. Yeah, I would say comparable.
00:28:57
I mean, it depends on what you mean.
00:29:00
Truly youngest kind of taking the conversation of different levels. I think.
00:29:03
Obviously the Knicks have toe have to get up there.
00:29:06
You know, having an all star guard.
00:29:08
If Barrett could be that guy.
00:29:11
My opinion now, you know, to be clear, these non playoff teams, you know, just was your You know, You know, that doesn't mean that, you know, these teams air significantly flawed or not significantly flawed.
00:29:24
Right? So, you know, obviously, like the Hawks The biggest problems, they can't really defend anybody.
00:29:30
And really, the next couldn't either.
00:29:31
So, um, that's why I think it's it's not, um, it's close.
00:29:36
I I just think, um I think we're probably step below the Hawks just because of, you know, of of Trey.
00:29:43
Um And I think I think that Z that's bad, in my opinion.
00:29:51
Okay.
00:29:52
All right. Hey.
00:29:53
So can you hang around for a little bit and you gotta go? No, I gotta head out on a couple of man.
00:29:58
Yes.
00:29:59
Yeah, I just want Thio.
00:30:03
Thank you for coming on, man.
00:30:05
Hey.
00:30:06
And the other thing, too, is is that stuff that I say about you on on Twitter? Is Israel love? It ain't like, you know, just bringing, you know, a reasonable take to all things next because I know sometimes we get get out of whack.
00:30:23
I appreciate you coming on, boss.
00:30:25
Yeah. No, no doubt. No doubt.
00:30:27
He's got to keep it real sometimes, right? So yeah.
00:30:30
Yeah, sometimes be yelling at each other, right? You know, So, like, man, don't do this.
00:30:36
Don't go too often, right? Sometimes we gotta You gotta think about it like, you know, multiple different perspectives, right? It is good to hear different thoughts, and then you, like, try toe.
00:30:50
I don't understand.
00:30:51
Okay.
00:30:52
Where you coming from? With this thought right before completely.
00:30:55
You know, like, rather than shutting someone down, you know, just understand where they're coming from a little bit, right? So right.
00:31:01
You know, I appreciate you doing something good with this stuff, right? So you gotta you gotta nice group of support of people, Especially now logged on.
00:31:10
It's like midnight, right? Anyone who comes on after midnight, it's like that's a blessing, right? Right, right, right, right.
00:31:19
Well, really dedicated to you, right? Yeah, man.
00:31:22
Yeah.
00:31:23
And and and me to them and me to them of the next Twitter litter.
00:31:29
I'm in that.
00:31:30
I'm in that literal puppies and l next Twitter.
00:31:32
So listen, I hate that word.
00:31:34
Next, a next man.
00:31:37
Man, you just use that platform to you.
00:31:39
You are you You just want to express your thoughts, right? Look like Like think about it this way, right? You know, I was doing man I was with on Twitter since also, I had to go on, Probably had too long ago.
00:31:53
I had to log on for the first time.
00:31:55
We're creating account, Think for a college class or something.
00:31:58
Eso This is like 2000, 8000 and nine And that was around the time people who is using Twitter for like of, you know, trying to get like, like just telling people random things like, Hey, I'm doing this.
00:32:10
I'm doing that like I'm in the library.
00:32:12
I'm here and there, but there was a second like, you know, around like 20,000, 9000.
00:32:19
Oh, you know, you can kind of like father, like cable companies.
00:32:22
They're not like, you know, if my cable's out of this and that, or if you have some issue with the product, you could just go after them and, you know, that's when, like, the sports stuff started getting really right.
00:32:32
So then you started saying some of the next digital people kind of like, you know, starting to make their ways a little bit.
00:32:38
But it didn't really pop up until, like, crazy enough, like 2000 and, like 16 and 2017 or so e.
00:32:46
I think somehow, you know, somehow some way, You know, obviously, you know, Sim was Sin was a big part of it.
00:32:52
But then, you know, there's a whole push tow, like once you realize, like, listen, you know, people covering this team is doing a terrible job there.
00:33:00
They're not taking a terrible job, but we don't like their coverage less, you know, cover the team the way we think the team should be covered.
00:33:06
Right.
00:33:07
So, you know, that's where we created this whole wave of different people.
00:33:12
Whether it's sin, whether it's you that we just want, we want to express our thoughts on the team and the way other people won't.
00:33:25
Right.
00:33:26
And I think you know, that's a tenant.
00:33:28
Like if you look at business, you look a I mean, I know you are, you know, the front stoop.
00:33:32
So it's like if you looked at, like, how is some of these, like, you know, labels, you know, you know, exploded in the nineties.
00:33:39
It was just like, Listen, you're not gonna put my music on.
00:33:41
You're gonna you know, we're just gonna do it on our own, right? So, you know, we got that same mentality.
00:33:48
Um, Now, we're just, you know, maybe the profit motive is not They're not necessarily always there.
00:33:53
But, you know, we just do it because we're trying to share our perspective on the team.
00:33:58
And we think that there's other people that, um, that share our perspective.
00:34:03
Right.
00:34:04
So, you know, you've got to keep you keep continuing to dio whether you got 10 people, whether you got 100 people have got 1000 people, you know, 10 people's, uh, whatever it is, right.
00:34:13
You know that that that means that there is 1,000,000 people, you know, supporting you and your supporting that right? No doubt.
00:34:21
No doubt.
00:34:22
Hey, man. Hey.
00:34:23
So So let me ask you let me ask you because I already know, right? I already know.
00:34:27
I kind of follow you and a group of guys on Twitter and and some other nicks, platforms and whatever thio get you know, to stay kind of tuned.
00:34:37
And can you share where you are and who you're hanging out with and some stuff that diehard Nick fan, if new Yeah, no doubt I'm going to drop the Twitter handle down.
00:34:52
There is just it's v d A D h a N I A.
00:34:56
I've written stuff for the K F s.
00:35:00
Next film, school stuff, the sites.
00:35:02
Something's wrong to say right now, but I've recently started writing stuff for daily next and that I'm gonna have some stories I may I wrote about.
00:35:12
I called it like the tips filed, how tips can unleash certain traits and stuff into certain players, or how we can, like, unleashed their potential a little bit.
00:35:23
So I focused on four players and focus on Mitch focused on Kevin Knox, R.
00:35:29
J.
00:35:30
Barrett, and the last one was Julius Randle.
00:35:32
Um e mean I could share the pieces, but it was kind of cool the way I did with Randall, because I kind of, um, I was able to get film and just kind of breakdown things that you should have done if you continue doing, um and what he shouldn't do anymore.
00:35:48
Eso You know, I think there's a lot of fun find a lot of random statistics.
00:35:53
I mean, I'll just share a couple nuggets, like, you know, when you look at someone like Kevin Knox, you're like, all right.
00:36:00
You know why? I mean, it was a terrible shooter last year, but then there are certain areas of the floor where he actually shot, you know, half decently.
00:36:09
Well, but he just didn't get the opportunity to do it.
00:36:12
And obviously, defense and other things played a role into it.
00:36:15
So, um, you know the pieces, they're all there.
00:36:19
I'll share a couple links, you know, for for your followers, but highly recommend those pieces.
00:36:25
Um, right. Hey, hey.
00:36:27
And you know what? I'll hit you up on Twitter so that so that I can get the links and stuff s so that so.
00:36:34
That so that you know, I can share that with everybody.
00:36:37
So so that we can continue to spread the next knowledge amongst ourselves to share, because there there are some things out there in the Knicks stratosphere the Knicks fans don't know about because they hadn't either.
00:36:50
Looked into advanced stats or they hadn't been told, Um like R.
00:36:55
J.
00:36:56
Barrett averaging 17 points per game after McMorris.
00:37:03
But the narrative is that Barrett is a terrible shooter from everywhere on the floor to share with expense.
00:37:16
Of course, you know, the 32% needs to improve, but 45% is the same percentage that that I'm Donovan Mitchell shot from the floor.
00:37:22
So, you know, it's it's It's one of those things that I think we need to share more info.
00:37:28
Yeah, I mean, it's like some of it's like, you know, before I mean, like, simple stuff is like shot profile, right? You know, try to take Mawr corner threes, try toe.
00:37:37
You know, get mawr.
00:37:38
Opportunities are opportunities, you know, like the strong side three, right? You know, um, just looking at different shot charts.
00:37:47
And, you know, I kind of I kind of did a more expansive one on Knox because I thought Knox with the more fascinating ****ysis on a kind of piggyback that onto Randall bit.
00:37:57
So listen, I put a link on there.
00:38:00
Um, you know, I know people want to get on the chat, so, you know, take a Look, Andi, you can kind of click on my name, and you can just, uh, kind of other stuff I wrote.
00:38:09
Um, but yeah, man, I'll I've listened to your stuff.
00:38:12
I watched, uh, some of the replays, and hopefully I can come back.
00:38:17
Hey, dawg.
00:38:18
Hey, man, listen, not capping, because I really don't Don't care for a lot of a lot of people that do next stuff I don't You know, I'm saying and I'll be honest with them, like, because I think a lot of it is more about raising their profile, as opposed to talking about the thing that they the things that we love, like our next You know what I'm saying? So some people don't.
00:38:42
Some people like me for being really Some people don't.
00:38:45
But when I tell you, man, I appreciate the fact that you be really 24 7.
00:38:50
You know, I need for you to know.
00:38:51
I'm really about that, Um, and thanks again for coming home, and you got to come on again, man.
00:38:56
So we could talk some knocks.
00:38:58
Of course. Of course. Appreciate it.
00:39:00
Hey, man.
00:39:01
Thanks for giving me. Yeah, take it off. All right.

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